Adding context (what a concept!) to economic picture
I keeps trying to tell y’all, but do you listen? No.
So maybe you’ll listen to those Marxists at the Wall Street Journal:
“Since the job market bottomed out in February 2010, the U.S. has added 3.7 million jobs, an average of about 134,000 per month. Despite Friday’s disappointing jobs figures, the pace of growth has generally been accelerating: U.S. employers have added an average of 197,000 jobs per month over the past six months, up from 106,000 in the prior six months. That performance looks paltry against rebounds in the 1970s and 1980s, but it compares favorably to the “jobless recovery” that followed the 2001 recession and the double-dip recession of the early 1980s.
The problem is that the employment hole is much deeper this time around. The U.S. lost nearly 8.8 million jobs from 2008 to 2010, more than in the previous four recessions combined.”
As the WSJ also notes, without the massive cuts in government jobs that have accompanied this deep recession, the unemployment rate would be down to 7.1 percent.
– Jay Bookman
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Janney
May 10th, 2012
7:52 am
Wonder what Thulsa Doom will say
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
7:53 am
without the massive cuts in government jobs that have accompanied this deep recession, the unemployment rate would be down to 7.1 percent.
In other words, if those a##holes hadn’t won in 2010. You can’t say that, Jay, but I can.
massachusetts refugee thug
May 10th, 2012
7:53 am
facts. it’s what’s for breakfast.
Hourglass
May 10th, 2012
7:55 am
Time for the spin from the Repubs!
Mick
May 10th, 2012
7:56 am
Jay, don’t you know that it’s all cyclical? The jobs would have come back anyways, it just part and parcel of our great capitalist system, cue in the austerity of the iced tea party…
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
7:57 am
Having read the second linked WSJ piece, entitled “Unemployment Rate Without Government Cuts: 7.1%”, wherein the Murdoch employee states:
The unemployment rate would be far lower if it hadn’t been for those cuts: If there were as many people working in government as there were in December 2008, the unemployment rate in April would have been 7.1%, not 8.1%.
…I have concluded that this creature they call “austerity” can go blow my neighbor’s dog.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
7:57 am
ohnoes!!! not the liberal leftist commie pinko rag, the Wall Street Journal!!!
Mad Max
May 10th, 2012
7:57 am
Note that the massive cuts in government came at the state and local level where we actually receive services because those governments, unlike big brother, have to live within their means.
carlosgvv
May 10th, 2012
8:01 am
From the day Obama was elected, the number one priority of the Republican Party has been removing him from office. Now that the election is only months away, count on them to bend and spin any analysis of the recession to make it all Obama’s fault.
It seems to me it will be many years, if ever, before the economy gets back to pre-recession status. This Wall Street article suggests that Romney as president and a large Tea Party majority in the House and Senate will be the worst possible thing for any recovery.
Mick
May 10th, 2012
8:03 am
carlosgvv
I believe you are absolutely correct sir!
Jm
May 10th, 2012
8:04 am
Good job Republicans
Recon 0311 2533
May 10th, 2012
8:04 am
Paint it anyway you want but the fact remains that the private sector isn’t adding a sufficient number of jobs and the money Obama has spent hasn’t achieved the results that he predicted. GDP growth is anemic and could fall to around 1% by the Summer. This administration hasn’t produced economic solutions only onerous regulations and that’s an indisputable fact that Obama can’t run from, although he’s trying his best to do so.
Mad Max
May 10th, 2012
8:04 am
Carlos – get off crying about how the republicans want to defeat Obama mantra please. Do you really think that is such a unique position? The opposition has always wanted to defeat the encumbant. That’s as old as civilization.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 10th, 2012
8:05 am
“In other words, if those a##holes hadn’t won in 2010″
Stands……
I can say it too
Mad Max
May 10th, 2012
8:06 am
Jay, what would the unemployment rate be if we added back in all those federal workers who have been laid off because of the cutbacks in federal spending?
Adam
May 10th, 2012
8:08 am
Mad Max: Do you really think that is such a unique position? The opposition has always wanted to defeat the encumbant.
Yes, but at the expense of EVERYTHING ELSE, including political capital? Including helping one single solitary American? Including putting any money at all into any basic government function except the military? Including judge appointments ffs?
Mad Max
May 10th, 2012
8:09 am
Adam – wah, wah. wah……
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
8:09 am
“Good job Republicans”
sorry m’dear … the turnaround started before the mid-terms … they had precious little to do with it … unless you want to count the fact it could have been a lot stronger had they not stuck their oar in
Senior Citizen Kane
May 10th, 2012
8:10 am
So if I read correctly, we’re in another “jobless recovery?” Oh wait, it was only called that when Bush was in office.
Adam
May 10th, 2012
8:11 am
(ir)Rational: From yesterday: Adam – I’ll have to give that one to you, but that wouldn’t be possible WITHOUT the 2nd Amendment, so it is somewhat of a toss-up. Consider it a draw?
Not really. As 2nd amendment proponents are fond of pointing out, gun controls of any type, even strict “you can’t have any” rules mean nothing, because people will get them anyway. The abolishment or non-recognition of a government does not require the previous government to have allowed guns, in that case.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 10th, 2012
8:11 am
Mad Max
I think you should get off the false equivalency bandwagon.
Mick
May 10th, 2012
8:13 am
usinuk
Hey good afternoon!! We’re just getting started over here…another day in paradise!
mad max@8:04
You are also absolutely correct sir!
JohnnyReb
May 10th, 2012
8:15 am
134K jobs per month; it takes a little under twice that many just to stay even with the number entering the job market for the first time.
Plus, over three times that many have quit looking for a job and have been dropped from the numbers.
Are the calculations special for Obama? No, they calculated the same before Barry but like many things from the feds it is geared to present the best looking picture. It’s like inflation; according to the feds we dont’ have inflation. Of course, that’s BS. Anyone who purchases goods knows you get less or less for more.
Also wore out on this place previously is that many small businesses are holding back hoping Republicans will gain control. Why? Because Republicans are more friendly to business, period.
kayaker 71
May 10th, 2012
8:15 am
Meanwhile, in WV, a solidly blue state in 2008, seems that some federal Texas inmate has won 41% of the Democratic votes in the primary. Hell, he even carried a total of 10 counties. While carrying the state in 2008, Bozo’s approval rating in WV is at only 32.7%, with only Wyoming and Idaho being lower. And these were Democratic voters. It also seems that Spreading Bull, that Queen of liberal saviors is trailing Scott Brown in MA by 40 to 49%. Turns out that Scott Brown, even having no opponent in the primary, polled more votes from supporting Republicans than the combination of the two Democrats running against him. On topic, if Bozo is creating so many jobs, why is unemployment still over 8%. According to the BLS, unemployment is still at 8.1% while Bozo only added 114K jobs in April. Also why do we still have that annoying 1.6% economic growth if we are doing so well?
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
8:16 am
carlos @ 8.01, you mentioned the political consequences of a Gooper whitehouse/congrefs, but let’s not forget the long-term economic damage this country would sustain if Preznit Willard actually wins and poisons the SCOTUS well with a couple of Stepford Justices.
I am certain that either Stevens or Ginsberg or, yeah, Kennedy, are replaced with a stone-cold corporatist (as opposed to the slightly nicer corporatists we have with Sotomayor & Kagan), SCOTUS will simply invalidate the most significant legislation that any future President signs, and “leave it to the states” to continue this insane race-to-Galt-Gulch we’re in now, utterly unchecked.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 10th, 2012
8:19 am
Hourglass
May 10th, 2012
7:55 am
I think it has begun.
What a bunch of sore losers… 
ty webb
May 10th, 2012
8:19 am
“Spreading Bull”!
kudos Kayaker.
carlosgvv
May 10th, 2012
8:20 am
Mad Max – 8:04
The Party out of power has tradionally been called “the loyal opposition”. Republican behavior during the entire time Obama has been in office makes them “the party of treason”. They are doing everything they can to wreck Obama’s administration and, in the process, show no hesitation at all in hurting the American people. Getting back in office is their one and only concern and they, figuratively speaking, will climb over as many bodies as necessary to achieve this.
Does this bother you Max? If not, you are a true blue Republican Tea Party tool.
Adam
May 10th, 2012
8:20 am
Thulsa: “Also, I am of the opinion that particular reform was not necessary.”
Adam, Are you saying that reform in Greece or in western Europe is not necessary?
I think perhaps you can answer that question yourself by rereading my statement.
“You say that the interference is the problem, but offer no real data to back that particular assertion up. While I agree the unemployment there is high, you haven’t shown a link between that and governmental interference.”
Adam,
The labor regs and laws in France for example are so stifling and its so difficult to fire someone that the end result is that less people, and particularly the youth, end up getting hired. I thought this was common knowledge when talking about European unemployment but if not here is a link.
This article offers the standard explanation
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46192
Without further review, which I don’t really have time for today, I cannot speak to this.
“Could be next,” “possible recession….” sorry, not buying it.- Adam
What are you not buying Adam? The article there states that Germany is expected to release results next week showing a second qtr of contraction. That sir is recession. It is what it is.
Ok but that hasn’t happened. It’s a projection. And what I am not buying is making hard data judgments about data that hasn’t yet been compiled.
“That depends on the time period. You guys often trot out that same line of logic here, but you seem to think we are talking about solving a multi-year problem with a one year increase in taxes. Also, taxing the rich is only one solution of a multi-pronged, multi-year approach to solve this problem without inflicting pain. Take the taxes they failed to collect due to bureaucratic issues. People may grumble, but how much pain REALLY do you have on a modest tax on your pool?”
Adam,
Perhaps tax evasion is part of the issue. Then why are people evading so much in taxes? Could it be because taxes are so high to begin with.
I was of the impression that they avoid the taxes because they CAN, due to lax enforcement. No one wants to pay taxes if they can get away with it.
Seems like your only solution is more taxes. You keep mentioning a multi-pronged approach but all I see is talk of more taxes to fund a welfare state that they simply cannot afford.
All you ever talk about with Greece is the retirement age. So I might ask the same of you – what else constitutes their welfare state, in your opinion? And why are taxes always automatically off the table in your view?
Sorry Adam but there is no magic, painless bullet here. You’re living in a dream world of denial if you think there is. Nothing like the idealism of youth. The harshness of reality is altogether different sir.
I agree there are no magic bullets. I do not agree that a multiple solution approach necessarily has to include pain in the short term or in the long term. I think the only reason to include pain, in most if not all cases, is to punish people on purpose. I just don’t agree with that as a policy platform. Now, one might argue what is pain and so on, but I think we can both agree that Greece overdid their welfare system, and a few reforms would be fine WITHOUT inflicting pain, and that is NOT the sole and only reason for their debt problems.
Hurst
May 10th, 2012
8:23 am
kayaker “Meanwhile, in WV, a solidly blue state in 2008…”
No.
McCain 55.7% Obama 42.6%
Boy do the lies start so early in the morning.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
8:23 am
“So if I read correctly, we’re in another “jobless recovery?” Oh wait, it was only called that when Bush was in office.”
um
no.
you don’t read that correctly.
“but it compares favorably to the “jobless recovery” that followed the 2001 recession and the double-dip recession of the early 1980s”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 10th, 2012
8:24 am
To the rabid Con base, the glass is never 3/4 full, its a sewer that they must pee in until they can get that froth that allows them to rise above the galss while stepping on everyone else. The 1% must simply have more.
Mick
May 10th, 2012
8:25 am
yaker
Good morning sir! Spent last evening watching a glorious sunset while kayaking through the abundant florida nature. Lots of ibis, turtles, peacock bass and many other wonders of nature. Not a disturbing political thought entered my mind, nirvana…
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
8:26 am
The problem is that the employment hole is much deeper this time around. The U.S. lost nearly 8.8 million jobs from 2008 to 2010, more than in the previous four recessions combined.”
Even if we recover those 8.8 million jobs, we’re still down big time due to the jobs lost with all those “jobless recovery” recessions. That said, I’ll still take slow steady growth that is built on a solid foundation over another bubble being inflated anyday.
As the WSJ also notes, without the massive cuts in government jobs that have accompanied this deep recession, the unemployment rate would be down to 7.1 percent.
Nuh uh…. The government can’t create jobs, so their employment doesn’t count. //sarc//
I have concluded that this creature they call “austerity” can go blow my neighbor’s dog.
I wouldn’t even subject my neighbor’s dog to something that awful.
Jm-shedding light on jay's poor analysis daily
May 10th, 2012
8:26 am
Usinuk 90% of the new jobs have been added since the midterms
kayaker 71
May 10th, 2012
8:27 am
Hurst, 8:23,
Oops.
Doggone/GA
May 10th, 2012
8:27 am
“So if I read correctly, we’re in another “jobless recovery?” Oh wait, it was only called that when Bush was in office”
You’re entitled to your opinion. No one else would say that, but if it works for you…whatever floats your boat.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
8:28 am
Jm – the turnaround happened a full YEAR before they were sworn in …
sorry, bubba, but no – they’re riding the wave, they didn’t create the tide.
Mick
May 10th, 2012
8:29 am
jm
Are really going to advocate addition by subtraction? Go fly a kite…
kayaker 71
May 10th, 2012
8:31 am
Mick,8:25,
We did the upper Suwanee in April before the bugs got so bad. Mid summer is for tarpon fishing in Carabelle so the paddling will have to wait until at least October.
Senior Citizen Kane
May 10th, 2012
8:31 am
Well, USinUK, it depends on what they meant. ‘Compare favorably’ can mean better than, or:
be as good as; be up to the standard of; be comparable to.
Cheers, and mind the gap.
Mary Elizabeth
May 10th, 2012
8:33 am
“. . .without the massive cuts in government jobs that have accompanied this deep recession. . .”
=========================================
And, that was done primarily for rigid, ideological reasons. Any balanced agenda (and thinking) would have wanted unemployment to be at 7.1%, now.
Last year, state jobs were cut by .5% in states without Republican leadership, but 2.5% in states which had Republican dominated leadership. ALEC has had its impact. State workers are consumers, too, and they pay taxes for the common good, as well. Fired, they simply become part of the unemployed statistic, and then taxpayers pay more for the same services done by state workers, which are farmed out to the private sector to do. Which, by the way, is what ALEC and others of this anti-government fanatism wish to do with education, children and their teachers – farm them all out to the private, business sector.
The GMC in Suwanee
May 10th, 2012
8:33 am
For the people who have jobs and can post daily on this blog,
Jay’s comments may sound good. But for those of us who don’t
have jobs, this whole administration SUCKS!
Yep
May 10th, 2012
8:33 am
“they didn’t create the tide.” Neither side did, really.
Mick
May 10th, 2012
8:33 am
yaker
It’s been a really windy month, the bugs don’t have a chance thankfully…keep on paddling-
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
8:33 am
SCK – compare favorably does not equal be as good as or comparable to
“is equal to … or comparable to … ir even on par with”
but not compares favorably
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
8:34 am
Yep – 8:33
Nope.
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
8:34 am
>>Spreading Bull, that Queen of liberal saviors
>kudos Kayaker.
yep, K-71 is one original thinker.
(just fed these words – “spreading bull” elizabeth warren – to the Google. “About 2,020 results (0.23 seconds)”, it sez.)
Rick in Grayson
May 10th, 2012
8:35 am
It takes about 135,000 jobs each month to keep up with population growth (1.5 – 1.7 million each year).
Why are we still allowing more immigrants into this country when we don’t have jobs for US citizens and legal residents already here?
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
8:35 am
I wouldn’t even subject my neighbor’s dog to something that awful.
Awful? Mon ami, I’m fairly certain that dog-blowing is one thing Austerity is quite good at.
Senior Citizen Kane
May 10th, 2012
8:36 am
USinUK: Huh?
Jm-shedding light on jay's poor analysis daily
May 10th, 2012
8:37 am
Mick addition and subtraction are two sides of the same coin
Usinuk go look at the stats not the average cited above. Very few jobs added prior to Jan 2011
And I subscribe now to the bookman school of causality which simply involves saying one thing causes another to make it true
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 10th, 2012
8:38 am
The GMC in Suwanee
How can it suck?
The opposition is the one telling us you are lazy, shiftless, no account and glad to be the government dole.
You welfare queen you!
Is the sofa becoming uncomfortable suddenly?
Sell your computer and pay your damn bills.
I bet you even have a freakin’ refrigerator and a damn microwave!!!!
Michael
May 10th, 2012
8:38 am
Mad Max, wah, wah, wah. Get your hanky son.
ty webb
May 10th, 2012
8:38 am
“(just fed these words – “spreading bull” elizabeth warren – to the Google. “About 2,020 results (0.23 seconds)”, it sez.)”
thanks magnum.
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
8:38 am
note to self–do not even in jest fiddle with the “name” field on this here blog and hit “enter.”
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
8:39 am
thanks magnum.
only Mrs. sfd’s permitted to call me that.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 10th, 2012
8:43 am
“FORWARD” (campaign slogan) Socialism/Marxism !
martin the calvinist
May 10th, 2012
8:45 am
Jay, you’re not painting the entire picture when you mention the unemployment rate, I believe a University of Maryland economist recently came out stating that 4/5 of the drop in unemployment can be directly tied into the Dept. of Labors deliberate dropping people off of the work force. Again, companies aren’t doing as well as you think as they continue to look for ways to cut spending, wages aren’t going up, this economic recovery is quite the joke!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 10th, 2012
8:45 am
………….. and continuing from yesterday:
“WASHINGTON – On the same day that President Barack Obama declared his support for same-sex marriage, the House Armed Services Committee backed measures prohibiting the practice on U.S. military bases.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/10/house-panel-votes-to-ban-same-sex-marriages-on-us-military-bases/#ixzz1uTDrRSPh
JKL2
May 10th, 2012
8:45 am
-The U.S. lost nearly 8.8 million jobs from 2008 to 2010
Good job Democrats!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 10th, 2012
8:46 am
“A Florida pastor considered to be President Obama’s spiritual adviser says he was disappointed by the president’s decision to publicly announce his support for same-sex marriage.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/10/obama-spiritual-adviser-disappointed-by-gay-marriage-endorsement/#ixzz1uTEGlu7A
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
8:47 am
the House Armed Services Committee backed measures
Scout, that and two-fitty will get you a one-way ride on MARTA.
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
8:49 am
Poor Scout. He’s losing Teh Kulture Warz and it hurts!
Maybe Austerity can kiss your boo-boo and make it all better?
anyway, this dirty effing hippy gots to produce. Later, rational people.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
8:51 am
Jm- 8:37 – you’re forgetting 6 months of those stats were skewed by the census effect – both in jobs gains and jobs losses
Jay
May 10th, 2012
8:53 am
It’s amazing, really. Kayaker just never fails to fail.
“Meanwhile, in WV, a solidly blue state in 2008 ….”
Which is true, if by “solidly blue state” you mean a state that John McCain carried by 13 percentage points.
kayaker 71
May 10th, 2012
8:56 am
Bookman, 8:53,
Already apologized for the error.
TaxPayer
May 10th, 2012
8:57 am
I see the Republicans are still on here complaining about how miserable they are. Poor things. Can’t get jobs. No marketable skills. No retirement prospects. Don’t worry. President Obama will make it all better for you if you say please.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 10th, 2012
8:58 am
“Already apologized for the error.”
..and the earth moved.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
9:01 am
GG – 8:58 – well, it did for me, anyway
ByteMe - Political thug
May 10th, 2012
9:01 am
Usinuk go look at the stats not the average cited above. Very few jobs added prior to Jan 2011
I know facts are terrible things to some people, but employment and unemployment lag the general economic times by about 6 months… it takes a while for employers to want to downsize or upsize when the economy changes direction on them. So employment gains/losses today generally come from economic gains/losses 6 months in the past.
In other words, gains in employment that started in late 2009 can be related to the stimulus spending that started that spring.
Of course, that won’t make some people blame a particular party more or less for something.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 10th, 2012
9:02 am
Off topic but, my gawd, more g’ddamned governmental medicine BS goin’ on…
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/05/ap-military-helps-bring-health-care-rural-south-05091/
What IS the military thinking?
kayaker 71
May 10th, 2012
9:05 am
Forward….. Bozo’s new campaign slogan. However, if you are standing on the edge of a cliff, forward is the last thing you want to do. Seems that Wiki pulled it’s spread of the word Forward when Bozo came out with the slogan earlier this month. Their previous picture denoted a German Socialist publication called Vorwarts, where Marz and Engles were frequent contributors. Also, Lenin started a similar publication in 1905 called Vpered (Forward) in what was called Russia. Bozo is right on track. All of you socialists out there can take comfort in the fact that the plan is moving Forward.
Moderate Line
May 10th, 2012
9:05 am
In all likelihood we are headed into another recession according to the Economic Cycle Research Institute. The growth in jobs is where it was in July 2007 prior to the recession which started in Dec 2007. In fact our March and April job growth this year was 269 thousand vs 262 thousand for 2007 in the same months.
Putting it into context doesn’t help. If a football team goes 0-16 and goes 2-14 maybe you don’r fire the coach but if they the go 3-13 the next year it maybe time to look for another one.
http://www.businesscycle.com/reports_indexes/reportsummarydetails/1091
Talking Head
May 10th, 2012
9:06 am
“Since the job market bottomed out in February 2010, the U.S. has added 3.7 million jobs, an average of about 134,000 per month”
That’s great, but it’s still less than the 150-160k jobs needed per month to keep up with population growth.
Context.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
9:07 am
ByteMe –
babbee, I’m digging you with BOTH shovels
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 10th, 2012
9:10 am
Kayaker,
You certainly do connect the dots like no other person I know…:roll:
Why are you so angry? And what is your alternate plan since you don’t like President Obama’s? And why are you so disresp4ctful to the President? Do you need a laxative or something? double
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
9:11 am
Forward …
… beats the hell out of Backasswards … which is what Mittens wants to do … economically AND socially
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 10th, 2012
9:11 am
ByteMe,
Your 0735 below. I totally agree.
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
9:12 am
Awful? Mon ami, I’m fairly certain that dog-blowing is one thing Austerity is quite good at.
I don’t even think austerity is that good. For all I care, austerity could go blow week old possum roadkill.
jconservative
May 10th, 2012
9:13 am
Pardon the change of subject but I could not resist.
“(Michele Bachmann) is an American citizen and always has been. She has a United States birth certificate and a United States passport,” Bachmann spokesperson Becky Rogness told POLITICO on Wedneday evening.
Interesting. This is the same thing Obama has always had, a US birth certificate and a US passport.
Where is Orly Taitz when you need her?
Peadawg
May 10th, 2012
9:14 am
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-calls-romney-auto-bailout-claim-etch-sketch-110702571–abc-news-politics.html
Gotta love Obama’s comments on this one.
Peadawg
May 10th, 2012
9:15 am
On topic – yes we are recovering…even at a slow pace. But can anyone here say w/ a straight face that a Republican can do better?
*crickets*
Didn’t think so.
JKL2
May 10th, 2012
9:15 am
Normal- What IS the military thinking?
Good training. Kind of like how they send their medics to Detroit, DC, and LA so they can get practice treating stab and gunshot wounds.
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
9:17 am
Peadawg
There are some here that could say it with a straight face. That wouldn’t make it a fact, but I don’t think that’s ever stopped them before.
JKL2
May 10th, 2012
9:19 am
peadawg- But can anyone here say w/ a straight face that a Republican can do better?
Yes. My cat would be better than obama. She at least loves this country.
Tundra Dude
May 10th, 2012
9:20 am
“(just fed these words – “spreading bull” elizabeth warren – to the Google. “About 2,020 results (0.23 seconds)”, it sez.)”
whoopee! 2,020 hits!
Does Fox fake the news?
Web Results 1 – 20 of about 985,795 for does fox fake the news?
Ixquick
the world’s most private search engine
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug
May 10th, 2012
9:23 am
“She at least loves this country”
Don't Tread
May 10th, 2012
9:25 am
You don’t suppose the “most favored nation” status we gave to China in 2000 would have anything to do with this massive hole, right? Wonder what China’s unemployment rate is?
The bottom line is: Obama can’t fix it. The horse is already out of the barn, and he’s a lot harder to catch.
kayaker 71
May 10th, 2012
9:25 am
Normal, 9:10,
I am angry because this empty suit is remaking this country into his own image. I don’t like his image. He is an arrogant narcissist who lies, cajoles, bribes and dodges to get his way. He was supposed to have the “most open administration in American history”, but he has fallen far short of that. He spends money like it was his and not the property of the American Taxpayer, without regard for the future consequences of this actions. His “stimulus” has produced absolutely nothing except provide money for his political friends. It was supposed to create 2 million jobs. Now we are in the tank for over 6T and our economic growth is stalled at 1.6% without hope of rising until he is removed from office. Those evil corporations on one of Bookman’s earlier threads, you know those people who were really not sitting on all of that money….. they are scared to death for the future of American business and are putting their money in a sock and hiding under the bed for a reason. The trust for this clown is in the bucket. He is so anti free enterprise that and anti business that they won’t hire, won’t invest in infrastructure, won’t do anything which commits them until he is gone. Normal, I’ll bet you the coldest beer in Atlanta that the unemployment rate drops to 7% or below if Romney is elected. Other than that, he is great American, a magnetic personality and could talk the socks off a rooster but I don’t want him as my President. Not on your life.
Erwin's cat
May 10th, 2012
9:27 am
Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner?………………………..what’s that?
Adam
May 10th, 2012
9:28 am
“FORWARD” (campaign slogan) Socialism/Marxism !
Two people saying this today. Must be listening to the same radio show or reading the same blog right now. But you’re a bit late.
Forward was the campaign slogan used by Nixon. THAT COMMUNIST!
JKL2
May 10th, 2012
9:28 am
tundra dude- Does Fox fake the news?
Dan Rather says,”What?”.
I think you’re looking in the wrong place.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51267
Don't Tread
May 10th, 2012
9:31 am
Oh, and you can’t blame Bush for the China trade deal…Clinton was the architect of that one. Thought I’d get that out of the way.
Paul
May 10th, 2012
9:31 am
“I keeps trying to tell y’all, but do you listen? No.
So maybe you’ll listen to those Marxists at the Wall Street Journal:”
“What’s facts got to do, got to do with it
What’s facts but a second hand emotion
What’s facts got to do, got to do with it
Who needs a fact when a mind’s not in motion”
Dedicated to the Usual Suspects on the Radical Right.
JKL2
May 10th, 2012
9:33 am
Erwin’s cat- Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner?………………………..what’s that?
Too busy trying to fix all this crap Nancy Pelosi passed. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but at least it’s been going in the right direction since he took over.
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
9:37 am
I am angry because this empty suit is remaking this country into his own image. I don’t like his image. He is an arrogant narcissist who lies, cajoles, bribes and dodges to get his way.
Sounds like every other politician that we’ve elected thus far, so what’s the true reason???
Erwin's cat
May 10th, 2012
9:38 am
JM…The “where are the jobs Boehner” was posted on here regularly the day after he was made speaker, but now that some jobs are coming back the left credits Obama…I guess they borrowed Mitts etch-a-sketch
Erwin's cat
May 10th, 2012
9:39 am
JM=JKL2…my bad
barking frog
May 10th, 2012
9:39 am
You shouldn’t cut public
jobs during a recession.
Right?
TaxPayer
May 10th, 2012
9:41 am
Too bad the Republicans on here did not get to partake in those enormous Bush tax cuts or their extension by President Obama. You poor guys don’t know what you missed out on while you were being distracted by the hatred portrayed so well by the likes of Mitch McConnell. What a loser. You Republicans should give old Tom Price a call and have him object on your behalves.
GT
May 10th, 2012
9:41 am
These are real jobs too. Everyone wants to talk about how people are taking jobs they don’t want or are underemployed. I wonder if the real mirage wasn’t the over employed of the last few decades.
I read how these Enron employees want justice. Maybe they were over employed in the first place. Seems to me there never would have been an Enron unless there was a crook putting it together or we have sent people to jail for no apparent reason. The whole business was a criminal enterprise, sold to the public, there had to have been a lot of people in that company wondering how a plumber is making college educated wages. And after it was all over these plumbers still wanted entitlement of a wage they were never entitled to in the first place. They were like the drivers of a bank robbery who claim they had no idea the robbery was taking place. And in that era and before there was a lot of cars being driven by a lot of innocent people who knew nothing but were becoming millionaires on paper.
How about this easy credit bankers, more over employment. If you could fog a mirror they give you credit, not exactly a higher education needed job but they were paid like it was. Now they feel cheated and entitled. How about the builders who could sell their high end houses to blue collar workers and pocket this easy credit money as profit? The guy that sold the materials on down. Sure we had 500,000 jobs a month, it was a Ponzi scheme the whole nation was in on. Most of these jobs were not real, they were fed by corruption on Wall Street. And now the Republicans are complaining about how real these jobs are and how these same welfare recipients of the 80s and 90s are underemployed! This may be the first real job a lot of Americans have ever had.
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
9:43 am
You shouldn’t cut public
jobs during a recession.
Right?
The quest for small government defies even a recession. Nothing stands in the way of conservatives and their quest for small government, nothing.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 10th, 2012
9:44 am
My cat loves America too.
However, he has fathered a number of litters out of wedlock – he could never be elected.
That and the Christian right would freak out about the paw prints on the Jefferson Bible.
Wouldn’t be prudent.
Steve Atl
May 10th, 2012
9:45 am
$65 dollars to fill up my V6 today…thanks Obama.
Adam
May 10th, 2012
9:45 am
You shouldn’t cut public
jobs during a recession.
Right?
Correct.
(ir)Rational
May 10th, 2012
9:45 am
Adam – Not really. As 2nd amendment proponents are fond of pointing out, gun controls of any type, even strict “you can’t have any” rules mean nothing, because people will get them anyway. The abolishment or non-recognition of a government does not require the previous government to have allowed guns, in that case.
Typically the people that point that out are meaning the criminals themselves will get guns. Which I would guess is probably true, but I would have to guess that if open revolt started, the average citizen could also obtain arms. I still feel the right to own gun is essential to protecting ourselves from our government though. It is my opinion, and I won’t be swayed from it. I feel that it is fairly clear from the writings and actions (especially the actions) of the Founding Fathers that they felt the same way.
Adam
May 10th, 2012
9:46 am
Steve Atl: Gas prices going down pretty steadily. Thanks, Obama!
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 10th, 2012
9:47 am
JAY,
I bet that’s refreshing news to the folks who are underemployed or stopped looking which brings the real unemployment number from 8% to 15%…did that article mention anything that counters your happy thoughts?
Adam
May 10th, 2012
9:47 am
(ir)Rational: I still feel the right to own gun is essential to protecting ourselves from our government though. It is my opinion, and I won’t be swayed from it
I’m not sure that I see how that makes sense. What good does a gun do you against the military and police power of our current government?
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 10th, 2012
9:49 am
ADAM,
Let’s see where gas prices go around Memorial Day and July 4th…..I’m still paying 3.85 before Kroger credits for premium…15 cents reduction saves me a couple bucks per fill up…I will go buy myself something real nice…
Mary Elizabeth
May 10th, 2012
9:50 am
Kayaker 71, 9:25 am
Kayaker, I say this not in mean-spiritedness, but perhaps to enlighten, hopefully.
Your words at 9:25 am tell me that your heart is ruling your head, and your heart is full of anger.
Paul
May 10th, 2012
9:50 am
Steve Atl
Gas prices down by nearly 10% in under two months.
Thanks, Pres Obama.
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
9:55 am
Does Fox fake the news?
Web Results 1 – 20 of about 985,795 for does fox fake the news?
Tundra Dude, it’s a silly diversion we’re both indulging in here, but for the record, I put quotation marks around “spreading Bull,” meaning I limited my search to include only entries where that phrase in that order was associated with Warren.
If you limit your search to Fox plus “fake the news”, those words, that order, you get 16,000, instead of the 985,795 you’d seen.
/drive-by
Peadawg
May 10th, 2012
9:57 am
“$65 dollars to fill up my V6 today”
Get a more efficient car.
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
9:57 am
Paul
He’s only dropping gas prices to get you to vote for him.
Moderate Line
May 10th, 2012
9:58 am
I like when people bring up the concept of austerity. Austerity was forced upon the Greeks because they could no longer borrow enough money to cover their deficit.
Both parties compete to buy votes with the end result being revenues do not cover spending. Canada spends much more per capita than the US but does not run a deficit. The Germans also have high government spending but yet push other countries to avoid large deficits.
(ir)Rational
May 10th, 2012
9:59 am
Adam – Well, the last time people felt very strongly that the government had overstepped its bounds and needed to be changed, the ownership of guns and knowledge of their use and skill in using them pushed us into a war that lasted for four years (minus 3 days). Through history, when countries try to suppress their citizens violently, they are typically more successful at it if the citizenry isn’t armed (think Nazi Germany). It is my opinion, and the opinion of many, that the ownership of guns allows a final check on the government’s power. Not an actual, physical check, but a emotional/symbolic check (to me anyway). They know that if they go too far, there is a chance that we might say enough and do something.
Erwin's cat
May 10th, 2012
9:59 am
are you guys really celebrating $3.75/gal gas?
Don't Tread
May 10th, 2012
9:59 am
You shouldn’t cut public
jobs during a recession.
Right?
Wrong.
If the “job” adds no value to the service provided, cut and consolidate until it does.
(ir)Rational
May 10th, 2012
10:01 am
Paul – Gas is still $3.99/gallon (for the cheap stuff) across the street from my office. What has Obama done for me?
stands for decibels
May 10th, 2012
10:01 am
“$65 dollars to fill up my V6 today”
Get a more efficient car.
I was thinking that Steve atl’s whinge was based on an entitlement mentality that has him thinking that by driving a V6 instead of a mucho-mas-manly V8, he’s already in something “tiny” and dad-blast it, he ain’t gone go any tinier. Am I close, steve?
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
10:02 am
Canada spends much more per capita than the US but does not run a deficit.
Canada probably collects more per capita too from its citizens and businesses too if I had to take a guess. That’s how you keep from running a deficit.
Mick
May 10th, 2012
10:03 am
Yes, if obama’s campaign slogan is forward, then the republicans must be backward, funny how that works???
Jm-shedding light on jay's poor analysis daily
May 10th, 2012
10:04 am
“It’s amazing, really. Kayaker just never fails to fail.
“Meanwhile, in WV, a solidly blue state in 2008 ….”
Which is true, if by “solidly blue state” you mean a state that John McCain carried by 13 percentage points.
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kayaker 71
May 10th, 2012
8:56 am
Bookman, 8:53,
Already apologized for the error.”
Jay appears to have become what he so despises. A snarky hyper partisan determined to bash a guy for an error, even after he admits it.
Oh well.
(ir)Rational
May 10th, 2012
10:05 am
sfd – It costs me almost $50 to fill up my Civic. Granted, I do it maybe once a month, but still. When I got it, it was costing me about $15-$20 to fill it up.
Paul
May 10th, 2012
10:06 am
(ir)Rational
“What has Obama done for me?
Taught you to walk on water.
Showed you how to multiply your food so you don’t have to work.
Takes care of all your needs just like He does with the lilies of the field.
He is, after all, your Messiah.
And someday people will learn to change their sour, puckered, negative outlook to seeing the glass half full!
And in my finest tribute to Bill Orvis, Amen, Amen and Amen.
JamVet
May 10th, 2012
10:06 am
Today’s lesson in mathematics:
Good news for the consumers, taxpayers and shareholders of the Unites States is directly proportional to bad news for the Party First, Party Last, Party Always gang in the GOP.
Paul
May 10th, 2012
10:07 am
stands
I think steve Atl wants Big Government to intervene in the Free Market and control the economy so he can do what he wants and have someone else pay for it -
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 10th, 2012
10:10 am
Hell, thanks to my taking personal responsibility for my fossil fuel use
that 65 bucks worth of gas would last me 27.65 days…..
Thanks me!
Me welcome!
(ir)Rational
May 10th, 2012
10:11 am
Paul – Sweet! I can walk on water?!?!?! I’ll be right back. . . . . dam now I’m all wet. Well, you can strike that off your list of things.
Oh, and the glass is ALWAYS full. Maybe not of liquid, but it isn’t a vacuum, so it is half full of liquid and half full of air. 
Erwin's cat
May 10th, 2012
10:12 am
The glass is too big
Paul
May 10th, 2012
10:13 am
(ir)Rational
I think a pretty good case can be made you’d be paying about the same even if Palin were president.
Thogwummpy
May 10th, 2012
10:13 am
If we’re going to add “context”…how about all the people that have dropped out of the labor force in frustration? I work in B2B media and deal with executive suite clients by the hundreds. We recognize that at this point of an economic curve, there is a upward trend that is driven by “pent up demand”…in other words, during bad times, people try and keep weak equipment running and delay replacement until they can’t wait any longer—things break eventually. So, that forces a temporary (but still soft) buying cycle which begins around 3 years out from an economic downturn and lasts around 18 months….then will plateau and fade; landing into the warned “double-dip” recession. Business people are wary of this “false Spring”, and they aren’t happy with the thousands of pages of new regulations they’re getting hit with by fiat from an openly hostile administration that seems to despise commerce. Yes, there’s a nice slow bump (whether Bookman likes it or not, overall econ. growth is very sluggish—-nor does he recognize their are NET jobs figures that show context to his above column…jobs added against jobs LOST; or that a large percentage of jobs added are part time and temp)—-but there are unavoidable economic daggers that business executives (MUCH smarter about economics than Obama is) recognize will cause problems ahead; and thusly these firms aren’t hiring for PERMANENT postions yet because they want to be lean and more able to adapt when issues like the administration’s monetary policies, regulatory stance (particularly if Obama is re-elected), corporate tax positions, trade and tarrif postures, etc….all the anti-commerce buffoonery comes home to roost. Jay, the math isn’t going to work much longer—-you can’t add too many more trillions in debt to prop things up; and escalating tax loads is a trite remedy because incentives matter—and it will restrain economic activity; killing growth. Lefties don’t want to admit it, but there ARE fiscal principals that can not be denied. The administration is living in denial.
(ir)Rational
May 10th, 2012
10:14 am
Paul – I would hope that Palin never had the chance to be President. I don’t remember that being an option, and John McCain is still alive and kicking, so I feel confident that it wouldn’t have happened.
Paul
May 10th, 2012
10:14 am
(ir)Rational – Erwin’s
For His next lesson, The Messiah will show you how to keep it full – without using a glass!
Paul
May 10th, 2012
10:16 am
(ir)Rational
The only thing McCain’s kicking now is himself -
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
10:16 am
are you guys really celebrating $3.75/gal gas?
I filled up at $3.52 yesterday.
Adam
May 10th, 2012
10:19 am
Let’s see where gas prices go around Memorial Day and July 4th…..I’m still paying 3.85 before Kroger credits for premium…15 cents reduction saves me a couple bucks per fill up…I will go buy myself something real nice…
So Obama is responsible for gas prices up or down yes?
GT
May 10th, 2012
10:27 am
Thogwummpy I am looking for a job as CEO of a Fortune 500 company, I am frustrated and now am dropping out of the search. A little like Newt running for president. We have mass produced diplomas which end up in the hands of people who 50 years ago would have known they were not college material. Many people want to get paid and don’t care how it is done, Enron, MCI, mortgage backed securities. Their resumes are as flaky as these business endeavors. A little secret, if you make a million dollars and can’t really tell me how you made it or the value you have added to this country doing what you are doing, just a corporate flukey, you are probably facilitating a crime. The good part of our 90s economy was based on criminal activity. Crime was our number one national product, white collar not drugs or blue collar. At least it was people faking to be white collar with fake resumes trumped up by cheap educations. Fantasy!
Erwin's cat
May 10th, 2012
10:37 am
Bro – I gotta get Ethel..?!?
blahblahblah
May 10th, 2012
10:51 am
Well then, let’s print some money and give it to those local governments, just to lower the unemployment rate. Whether those jobs are needed or not? Irrelevant!
Madge From Accounting
May 10th, 2012
10:51 am
$65 dollars to fill up my V6 today…thanks
ObamaExxonGT
May 10th, 2012
11:03 am
Madge from Accounting gets it.
Adam
May 10th, 2012
11:05 am
Whether those jobs are needed or not? Irrelevant!
Yes, I am sure that since the recession it was and continues to remain completely necessary to cut jobs month by month. I mean, we needed them before the recession but not anymore! Right? Who needs a reasonable amount of teachers, firefighters, police, and FBI? I know WE certainly don’t. Cut them all!
Mighty Righty
May 10th, 2012
11:09 am
“As the WSJ also notes, without the massive cuts in government jobs that have accompanied this deep recession, the unemployment rate would be down to 7.1 percent.
Without the new accounting used by the Labor Department the real unemployment rate is 13%. Just last month, more than 500,000 women were added to Obama’s list of the not counted unemployed. Just use common sense. Per Obama’s Labor Department only 115,000 new jobs were added while 1.3 million new claims were filed during the month and these opposing numbers some how resulted in a reduction in the rate of unemployment of one tenth of one percent. If you believe those numbers then you most likely believe in Global warming.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 10th, 2012
11:10 am
ADAM,
Record gas prices on President Trillions watch….if it were the other party I’m sure that guy/gal would take heat accordingly. He takes blame for unemployment at 15% (including those no longer looking and underemployed), wasted stimulus (except for political gain)….but he did approve the order to get Bin Laden. That’s a good thing..History will reflect these metrics….not that the prior president was to blame. Had any of these materially improved, he’d get the kudos don’t you think ADAM?
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 10th, 2012
11:14 am
GT,
Sounds like class envy…of course you speak only of the 1% of the 1%…those types are evident in your neck of whatever woods you reside and at every income level…….Let’s just close all corporations and let your pal Trillions run them….
Mighty Righty
May 10th, 2012
11:17 am
So Obama is responsible for gas prices up or down yes?
Yes he is responsible. When he was sworn in the price of gas was $2.00 a gsallon less than it is now. We pay for his irresponsible energy policy not only every time we fill up but every time we buy any product that had been transported by motor vehicle. He promised he would increase the price of energy and he has.
Madge From Accounting
May 10th, 2012
11:20 am
When he was sworn in the price of gas was $2.00 a gsallon less than it is now.
Gas hasn’t been $1.65 or $1.75 since Clinton was president. I think you’re blaming the wrong president.
Adam
May 10th, 2012
11:28 am
Record gas prices on President Trillions watch
Incorrect. It was higher ($4.11 avg) under Bush.
Mighty Righty
May 10th, 2012
11:31 am
Madge-Per AAA the average price of a gallon of unleaded regular gasoline was 3.797 on May 7 versus the day Obama took office when the price was $1.78 per gallon. Even a payables clerk could figure it out with the help of a ten key.
Mighty Righty
May 10th, 2012
11:38 am
Madge
Gas Prices Grow More Under Obama than Carter
By Lauren Fox
April 9, 2012 RSS Feed Print Marking the similarities between President Barack Obama’s time in office and former president Jimmy Carter’s is nothing new. But as of Monday, Obama has hit one more Carter benchmark – both saw gas prices double in their first term of office. [See Where Gas Prices are Spiking the Most]
In fact, while just barely, Obama has seen an even higher gas price increase than Carter dealt with under his administration.
Mighty Righty
May 10th, 2012
11:50 am
Adam-The price of gasoline did briefly peak at a level higher than anything Obama’s inaction has caused. However, Bush took action, let me repeat, Bush took action, something the left admits Obama is incapable of and guess what, the price immediately went down to the level we are now using to compare Obama’s price. I know the left doesn’t want to use average price during presedential term as a standard. But the price of gasoline and diesel fuel have sky rocketed during Obama’s presidency. The worst part is Obama admits the increase is by design, his design. So while the left denies the president can control the price of gasoline, Obama before he was elected said he would effect the price of energy and he has. So who to believe? Obama or his worshipers?
Adam
May 10th, 2012
1:43 pm
However, Bush took action, let me repeat, Bush took action
HAHAHAHAHA. Bush took ACTION to lower gas prices from when they were $4.11? Thanks for admitting he caused the global economic crisis.
Actually, the gas prices HAVEN’T skyrocketed under Obama. They have risen at a pace very similar to Bush’s second term.
And if the gas increase is Obama’s design and plan and he’s in total control of it, and that’s what he wants, etc, then why are they now going down?
Moderate Line
May 10th, 2012
2:22 pm
Brosephus™
May 10th, 2012
10:02 am
Canada spends much more per capita than the US but does not run a deficit.
Canada probably collects more per capita too from its citizens and businesses too if I had to take a guess. That’s how you keep from running a deficit
+++++++
That was the point. If your not running a deficit and your spending more you obviously have to collect more in taxes.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
May 10th, 2012
8:37 pm
We need approximately 350,000 per month for the next three or four years to get back to where we were under Bush 43. Jay, thank you for making our point. All the jobs were lost under the Supreme Leader. According to the same Wall Street Journal, youth unemployment is 16%. Remember, the NLRB games the national calculation by arbitrarily deciding how many people have permanently left the workforce every few months, and changes the denominator. Actual overall unemployment is closer to 10% than 8%.
Unfortunately, this is the way Emperor Nero likes it. His only hope for reelection is to scare enough segments of the population into believing he is the only one that can and will take care of them. Sad state of affairs.
Adam
May 11th, 2012
10:12 am
All the jobs were lost under the Supreme Leader.
According to the same Wall Street Journal, youth unemployment is 16%.
Remember, the NLRB games the national calculation by arbitrarily deciding how many people have permanently left the workforce every few months, and changes the denominator.
Actual overall unemployment is closer to 10% than 8%.
I’m going to say it again, so maybe you get it this time:
There is no such thing as “REAL” unemployment. All of these measurements are from the BLS, and they have shown a decrease in each measured rate. The idea that any of what you said above means anything is bull.