Finally, the president comes out of the closet

It was not exactly a profile in courage. More like a case of “leading from behind.” But today, President Obama finally came out and said it:

“I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married.”

Publicly, at least, Obama comes to that conclusion later than most of his fellow Americans. In a Gallup poll a year ago (see chart below), a majority of Americans for the first time said they support allowing gay couples to marry.

However, that support is clearly not distributed equally across the country, as Tuesday’s vote in North Carolina affirms. Even there, however, the measure banning gay marriage or even civil unions was rejected soundly in the state’s urban centers of Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham.

As a legal matter and political matter, there’s no real suspense in how this all works out. Gay marriage is going to be legalized. It’s also hard to imagine how the Supreme Court is going to allow states to refuse to honor legal contracts — and that’s what marriage, gay or otherwise, is — that are legally created in other states.

The only question is the time involved. In that regard, Republicans will use Obama’s statement behind the scenes to stir up social conservatives already likely to vote against him anyway, but they won’t dare to use it in general campaign ads, out of fear of being seen as intolerant and hateful. And that tells you a lot.

It’s also interesting to compare the evolution of public opinion on this issue to the evolution of opinion on interracial marriage. The trajectory has been similar, and in fact support for gay marriage has risen slightly more quickly than support for interracial marriage did.

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– Jay Bookman

956 comments Add your comment

too little time

May 9th, 2012
4:27 pm

East Lake Ira

May 9th, 2012
4:29 pm

About time Mr. President.

Shame on you for taking so long though.

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
4:30 pm

“Shame on you for taking so long though”

Why should there be shame? He’s WAY ahead of a LOT of people. For proof, check out the vote in NC.

ty webb

May 9th, 2012
4:30 pm

I agree with him 100% on this issue. kudos Mr. President…but I’m still “racist”, just not as much of one I guess.

King of Everything

May 9th, 2012
4:31 pm

Gov. Romney also supports gay marriage. That’s the great thing about being on both sides of every issue.

Mr Right

May 9th, 2012
4:33 pm

Enter your comments here

Getting used to the dark!

Joe The Plumber Too

May 9th, 2012
4:33 pm

Cool, maybe now he can trade me-shell in on a chippendale. I don’t think in the long run this helps him with those on the fence in this election.

iRun

May 9th, 2012
4:34 pm

I still think it’s brave for a President to take this stand. It maybe that we’re technically a majority in support, but it’s a slim majority.

Good for him.

too little time

May 9th, 2012
4:34 pm

Seriously, the gay marriage issue is only a problem for social conservatives. It doesn’t bother most Republicans or independents. It does bother a fair number of Hispanic Democrats. At some point, gay marriage will become legal, and then the next ratchet to the left will be polygamy/multiple marriage.

Soothsayer

May 9th, 2012
4:34 pm

If 100,000,000 gay people get married, that matters to me how?

Only if I’m a bigot who wants to control other people’s lives does it matter to me.

Steve Atl

May 9th, 2012
4:35 pm

Obama “The Flip Flopper in Chief”…this guy will say or do anything to get re-elected.

(ir)Rational

May 9th, 2012
4:35 pm

Jay – I have to say, before reading the column, LOVE the headline. It makes me laugh. Also, you seem to be earning your pay today, 5 posts, haven’t seen that in a while. :) Now to read.

iRun

May 9th, 2012
4:35 pm

I don’t understand the disdain for pronouncing Michelle as “Me-shell”. It, by default, is a French name and “Me-shell” is how it’s pronounced. Go down to New Orleans and that’s how it’s pronounced, as well.

Milo83

May 9th, 2012
4:36 pm

Finally, the president comes out of the closet
4:23 pm May 9, 2012, by Jay

It was not exactly a profile in courage. More like a case of “leading from behind.”

Think before you type, Bookman. He was pushed into it.

Mr Right

May 9th, 2012
4:36 pm

Obama confirmed what I thought of him!

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
4:37 pm

“At some point, gay marriage will become legal, and then the next ratchet to the left will be polygamy/multiple marriage.”

Holy sht on a stick. What masochist wants more than ONE wife? Oh the horror. I can’t bear to think of it. All I can envision is tag team nagging………..

Aquagirl

May 9th, 2012
4:37 pm

Republicans will use Obama’s statement behind the scenes to stir up social conservatives already likely to vote against him anyway

Get busy churches. Republicans need your tax-exempt organized hate to win the election.

Soothsayer

May 9th, 2012
4:39 pm

“What masochist wants more than ONE wife? Oh the horror. I can’t bear to think of it. All I can envision is tag team nagging………..”

Fred: you’re my kind of guy. After all, women were put on this Earth to make men’s lives miserable.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 9th, 2012
4:40 pm

Sad that interracial marriage is still opposed by a bit over 10% of the population.

Let me guess: They might vote Republican?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 9th, 2012
4:40 pm

Thanks Big O!

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
4:40 pm

“What masochist wants more than ONE wife?”

Here’s an interesting thought to ponder: why does the mere mention of polygamy bring the thoughts of most to multiple wives? To me it means instant thoughts of multiple husbands OR wives.

Brosephus™

May 9th, 2012
4:40 pm

For what it’s worth, I don’t see how anybody in this country could back government sanctioned discrimination based on how that’s worked out in our past history. Sad to see that, even with our history of discrimination, we have to drag people kicking and screaming along to end discrimination against fellow citizens.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 9th, 2012
4:41 pm

At some point, gay marriage will become legal, and then the next ratchet to the left will be polygamy/multiple marriage.

And your problem with a multi-party contract? I’ll bet you think marriage was always about love, too.

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
4:41 pm

“. After all, women were put on this Earth to make men’s lives miserable”

Funny…I thought it was the other way around.

GT

May 9th, 2012
4:42 pm

So marriage is a legal contract not recognized in some states,for gays. Imagine if gay marriage is like heterosexual marriage and those men you are beat to death by alimony decided they wanted to escape the bonds of wife support. These men would flee to the states that did not recognize this contract and become exempt from having to pay the money. This could make a state like Georgia a haven for homosexuals fleeing their spouses. I would find it very humorous to watch Georgia in its normal stubborn stance be the last to recognize gay marriage and become the Las Vegas of divorced gay people.

godless heathen

May 9th, 2012
4:43 pm

Clueless Joe kinda forced him to “Come out” but nevertheless it’s a good thing in many ways.

1) I can’t see that it affects me at all
2) It’s going to p*ss off some thumpers
3) It’s going to cost him some votes and maybe some states.

iRun

May 9th, 2012
4:43 pm

Doggone, because there is no history of multiple husbands as a societal practice.

And polygamy as a societal practice only happens where women are not educated and have few rights.

This country will never go for polygamy as legal because it’s female population is educated and independent, by law and rights.

I travel a lot around the world and I can assure I am completely correct.

TM

May 9th, 2012
4:43 pm

His position is that this is a State Issue, unlike abortion or health care. That gives him the out he needs. Granted publicly supporting it is good news but taking the position that as President he can’t do anything because it’s a State issue is disappointing.

(ir)Rational

May 9th, 2012
4:43 pm

Fred – Holy sht on a stick. What masochist wants more than ONE wife? Oh the horror. I can’t bear to think of it. All I can envision is tag team nagging………..

AMEN!!!!!!

Matti

May 9th, 2012
4:45 pm

Heh heh… Mr. Bookman said… “from behind.” Heh. Heh heh…

josef

May 9th, 2012
4:45 pm

IMAM

Well, ain’t this a b*tch…here you’ve been calling me everything but a child of G-d for yapping about Ole Fierce Advocate and not letting up…then here you come saying it’s not exactly a profile in courage…well, I not so respectfully disagree…I know that’s what the memo said, but NO, I think it took great courage to say what he did when he did…he didn’t have to. Those of us on this side were willing to bite our tongues and cut him some slack given the climate of the day. It DID take courage. Lots of it, and I applaud him….in the face of that North Carolina horsesh*t? Today, I’m his fan…

Now let’s get him to stand up to his billions of dollars in their coffers buds in the Middle East and see if we can’t put some pressure on them to quit executing gay folks…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 9th, 2012
4:45 pm

“After all, women were put on this Earth to make men’s lives miserable.”

Ahem.

Orange 12

May 9th, 2012
4:46 pm

“Obama voices his support for gay marriage”

Obama’s defeat for second term is sealed.

Soothsayer

May 9th, 2012
4:46 pm

It all started when women got uppity got the right to vote. Then, they really got bossy passed the Equal Rights Amendment.

All I want to know is when do women start paying for dinner and movie before . . .

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 9th, 2012
4:46 pm

North Carolina, where you can marry your first cousin, but not
your same sex partner. dang-alang-tang-dang-dang-dang-tang-dang
(that was a banjo)

(ir)Rational

May 9th, 2012
4:46 pm

Matti – Yeah, thanks for that, now I have water on my screen.

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
4:48 pm

iRun

May 9th, 2012
4:43 pm

It’s called polyandry. Look it up.

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
4:49 pm

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
4:40 pm

“What masochist wants more than ONE wife?”

Here’s an interesting thought to ponder: why does the mere mention of polygamy bring the thoughts of most to multiple wives? To me it means instant thoughts of multiple husbands OR wives.
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That’s because you are so worried about being offended all the time that you can’t see a joke.

Just damn.

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
4:50 pm

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
4:37 pm

_______

Always seemed like a good idea to me Fred. I always dated more than one woman before I married. Worked fine.

Matti

May 9th, 2012
4:51 pm

Having more than one wife is not entirely unlike the current, widely-accepted practice among right-wing American men whereby you replace the wife of whom you’ve grown weary with a fresher, younger model. The difference is that you let the old one stick around instead of booting her to the curb or paying her handsomely to live somewhere else. Sure, the potential for nagging is still there, but there are certainly some good qualities and skills the old wife possesses that can still be useful to you. Plus, the older wives can keep each other company, babysit, etc., while you’re off finding wife # 3 or 4. More people to work means more gets done, and if you punish all of them for any infraction, they’ll soon learn to keep each other in line, saving you that effort as well.

(ir)Rational

May 9th, 2012
4:51 pm

After all, women were put on this Earth to make men’s lives miserable.

Yeah, the Bible was misquoted at that point. It says something to the effect that Adam was alone in the garden and unhappy and God made Eve to be a companion to him and make him happy. What it originally said was that God made Eve to get even (see what they did there with the name?) with Adam and teach him that being alone wasn’t such a bad thing. :)

Glenn

May 9th, 2012
4:51 pm

Obama would do better not touching gay issues . Reminds me of Clinton & gays in the military . You cant win on theose kind of issues . They can however cause you to lose .

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
4:52 pm

St Simons – he-ne-ha

May 9th, 2012
4:46 pm
North Carolina, where you can marry your first cousin, but not
your same sex partner. dang-alang-tang-dang-dang-dang-tang-dang
(that was a banjo)

________

Sounds like Obama may have just lost North Carolina and a few other states. He needs to carry NC.

pogo

May 9th, 2012
4:52 pm

Jay and the liberals obsession with Jonah Goldberg is fascinating. They mainly hate him for revealing the “disconcerting” roots and history of their movement in his book Liberal Fascism. They can’t discount his facts, they can only try to belittle him, just as Jay tries to do here periodically. Even had one liberal regular here on this blog today talking about burning his books. You should be proud Jay. No discenting voice, right? That kind of proves Goldberg’s point, doesn’t it?

And Obama comes out on gay marriage! And NC voted against same-sex yesterday. It is going to be very interesting to see how this plays with Obama’s base and the card carrying union workers of America. My black friends are for the most part Obama supporters but most are also religious. Very, very religious. That aspect is going to be interesting to see. The other interesting aspect will be how the “rank and file” union people take this. In my occupation I am exposed to many, many union workers from all over the country representing several different unions. From my experience with them, I strongly suspect this is not going to play well with them at all. The SEIU? Oh yeah, they’ll be all for it but when you talk about the true “Craft” unions such as the Ironworkers, the Boilermakers and the IBEW (I’m talking about the members, not their leadership) that will be another matter altogether. It will be interesting.

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
4:52 pm

SoothSayer: I saw a set of coaters the other day that had me rolling. They said: The problem with women is that at first they were FUN……………

Oh the “women” jokes we could tell, (and vice versa) but someone would get her panties in a wad/his boxers in a bunch.

Folks need to lighten up and not be pissy all the time.

jm

May 9th, 2012
4:52 pm

charts. dangerous territory for Jay :)

But in this case he’s ok…. :)

That said, he’s charts need improvement in the following manner: the scales are different. Having two different scales is a classic tool of data manipulation. Change the second scale to 100 and you have a more accurate representation of the situation.

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
4:52 pm

“Doggone, because there is no history of multiple husbands as a societal practice”

But that’s not the point, is it? If polygamy is recognized here, and we maintain our EQUAL rights…then it would apply EQUALLY to multiple husbands or wives.

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
4:54 pm

Multiple wives is against the very principles of the Christian Bible. It clearly states “A man cannot serve two masters………”

dougmo2

May 9th, 2012
4:54 pm

The president, with one satement, has officially taken the South out of play in November. Even the conservitive democrats who might have voted for him in November are now running away in droves. Also the Midwest is offically off the market. The president is hedging his bets that he will carry the rust belt but if the economy does not improve in a short time his defeat is sealed

GT

May 9th, 2012
4:54 pm

I like courage no matter how late, it is something very absent in life today. Most conservatives run in mobs bullying for their causes. Proof is Larry Craig who was totally against gays and was one himself. Cowards hide in the crowds, let innocent people hang. I would say the defining difference between the two parties is this. One has courage the other is totally political and courage is an option not a principle.

Soothsayer

May 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

“Yeah, the Bible was misquoted at that point. It says something to the effect that Adam was alone in the garden and unhappy and God made Eve to be a companion to him and make him happy. What it originally said was that God made Eve to get even (see what they did there with the name?) with Adam and teach him that being alone wasn’t such a bad thing.”

No, God created Eve to nag Adam to pick up his dirty clothes and mow the lawn. And quit watching that infernal golf!

WrteStufLA

May 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

“It’s also hard to imagine how the Supreme Court is going to allow states to refuse to honor legal contracts…”

Oh, I have little doubt that the Roberts/Scalia/Alito/Thomas/Kennedy Court will find a way!

(BTW Jay, I can’t remember the last time that one of your posts inspired such an instant flood of responses.)

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
4:56 pm

Matti@4:51: LOL. That is so funny on so many levels. Great post. Newtie would love it right?

Rickster

May 9th, 2012
4:56 pm

The folks that would vote for Obama would still vote for him after this. He may have alienated a lot of folks who were on the fence about voting for him a second time.

He may have just cost himself the election.

iRun

May 9th, 2012
4:58 pm

I know it’s called polyandry. I study HIV in other countries where we study this sort of thing. In no country (nowadays) is polyandry a society practice. It now mostly lies within animal species.

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
4:58 pm

s also hard to imagine how the Supreme Court is going to allow states to refuse to honor legal contracts…”

______________

Not hard to imagine at all. Lots of contracts are considered void as against public policy. Gambling contracts comes to mind. Legal in some states, not in others.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 9th, 2012
4:59 pm

Finally, Obama comes out of the closet

Well, I knowed he was a Kenyan and a Muslim and a Socialist. It’s about time somebody told us he was gay too. Dang! Somebody needs to change the Constitution to say gay people can’t be President. But not too soon. We don’t want old Plugs in the Oval Office.

josef

May 9th, 2012
5:01 pm

I know for a lot of people this is just a talking point. But, here in this household to have the President of MY country come out and say he supports state recognition of our relationship is an event I never once thought those many years ago I would ever live to see. I know a lot of people misunderstood what the First Lady said about being proud of her country…but today, I am.

And IMAM
It took cajones and courage…

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
5:01 pm

“That’s because you are so worried about being offended all the time that you can’t see a joke”

Would you be so kind as to point out where I said it wasn’t funny? I seem to have missed it.

Generation$crewed

May 9th, 2012
5:02 pm

Good for President Obama! He didn’t have much of a choice after Joe’s weekend.

Question is how will it work out vote wise?

Ultra conservatives who were not happy with Romney now have a windmill to fight.
Ultra Liberals who were not happy with Obama now have a cause to rally around.

Meaning they will both get a boost of support.

The voting block to decide this will not be the white crowd. The white vote is usually in favor of same-sex marriage. However black and hispanic voting blocks have historically voted against this will decide how important an issue is for them, and if it will be enough to switch their vote as a majority currently favor Obama.

God' s Wrath

May 9th, 2012
5:03 pm

Aquagirl

May 9th, 2012
4:37 pm

Republicans will use Obama’s statement behind the scenes to stir up social conservatives already likely to vote against him anyway

Get busy churches. Republicans need your tax-exempt organized hate to win the election.
If God is for you, Who can be against you ?!

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
5:03 pm

If a man says something, anything, and there is no woman around to hear it, is he STILL wrong?

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
5:03 pm

josef

May 9th, 2012
5:01 pm

______

Keep the faith, the courts or congress will make an honest man of you yet. (Smiley face)

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
5:04 pm

“Multiple wives is against the very principles of the Christian Bible. It clearly states “A man cannot serve two masters………””

Ummm….shouldn’t it say “two mistresses”? Two masters makes me think of gay marriage!

Brosephus™

May 9th, 2012
5:04 pm

josef

It was only a matter of time. People forget how the taboo marriage was between races. At the risk of ticking off the older posters here, this country will move forward as those who are stuck in the 1950’s die out. Whether hiding behind politics or religion, discrimination is wrong. I’m glad to see somebody in DC has the cajones to come out and say as much.

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
5:04 pm

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
5:01 pm

“That’s because you are so worried about being offended all the time that you can’t see a joke”

Would you be so kind as to point out where I said it wasn’t funny? I seem to have missed it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I was waiting for something like that. I forgot the :lol: after my first comment. :D Sorry.

They BOTH suck

May 9th, 2012
5:05 pm

josef

Good for you and good for America.

Politics or no politics however anyone wants to spin it; it is great that he said it.

getalife

May 9th, 2012
5:05 pm

Will never be good enough for some Americans.

Joe The Plumber Too

May 9th, 2012
5:05 pm

I guess I know now why he has been so stubborn about keeping his “buddy” eric holder around now.

Thulsa Doom

May 9th, 2012
5:06 pm

If O is going to support gay marriage than that’s fine. But he should have been a man of character, principles and spine and just come out and openly supported it 3-4 years ago as opposed to trying to play both sides of the fence. He is only supporting it more openly now because prominent, wealthy gays are threatening to hold off on writing the big campaign checks. This isn’t as much his support for gay rights as it is his needing campaign cash.

Brosephus™

May 9th, 2012
5:06 pm

However black and hispanic voting blocks have historically voted against this will decide how important an issue is for them, and if it will be enough to switch their vote as a majority currently favor Obama.

It’s all in how you frame the debate. I doubt very seriously that you will have many Blacks come out and voice agreement with outright discrimination against others. They may voice displeasure in the thought of same sex marriages, but I doubt that the majority of the Black community would turn their backs on the Lovings after fighting for them.

Jay

May 9th, 2012
5:06 pm

Here’s what Mitt Romney had to say about the issue:

“When these issues were raised in my state of Massachusetts, I indicated my view, which is I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name. My view is the domestic partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights and the like are appropriate, but that the others are not.”

As we all know, Romney has a funny way of saying more than he intended, and I think he does it again here. He suggests that he might support civil unions, but not “if they are identical to marriage other than by name.”

In other words, what gay Americans have must always be less than what the rest of America has. We’ll give them a few things, but we have to make it clear that they’re not as good as the rest of us.

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
5:06 pm

Doggone @ 5:04: LOL. That got a full belly laugh.

On another note: My wife just called to tell me she got accepted for the PhD program she applied (late) for. SWEET. Bad thing is that it starts next Friday and is at Vanderbilt. hope they don’t want all the cash immediately………

Matti

May 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

josef,

YAAAAYYYYYYYY!

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

” Sorry”

Even a joke can trigger a serious train of thought.

getalife

May 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

The story is willard did not flip flop on a issue.

rightwingextreme

May 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

marriage between one man and one woman has been the bedrock on which western civilization and humanity has been built. homosexuality is and always has been wrong. this is something that Christianity, Judiasm, Islam and most other major religions agree.

if marriage is allowed to be redefined from one man and one woman, then all bets are off as to who may be allowed to marry.

could you deny a marriage between a man and more than one woman or vice versa?

could you deny members of the North American Man Boy Love Association the ability to marry an underage boy?

as this sexual revolution continues and the morality of this country continues to decline more and more children will be exploited and it will be increasingly accepted. don’t think it will happen? about 40 years ago homosexuality was defined as deviant behavior…and now, after a massive reeducation effort, it is being celebrated.

look at where we are since the sexual revolution of the 60/70s in this county:
7-4-1776 to 1960s….one man, one woman defines marriage
1960s free love…attack on family begins; divorce rates begin to rise
1973 homosexual/transgender movement begins
1970s sexual revolution in full tilt
1980s aids epidemic
1990s pornography becomes mainstream
2012 first president to endorse homosexual marriage

if marriage is redefined we are on a very slippery slope from which there may not be a return.

GT

May 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

This is such a swallow subject, no one is surprised by this or should be. It will be used as a political siren only because the right has so much success with this type things in the reactionary rural areas where they have their strength. Obama will not lose a vote and may gain some by his honesty. The country is unresolved on this issue and this will cause a lot of fence sitters to rethink being a clueless rube. Like it or not people like to look like they are sophisticated, the toothless bib overall look is not the rage now days. “Things are looking fine in Kansas City, They gone about as far as they can go”. The idea of that song is the same theme that is changing America. You can’t keep em on the farm forever.

They BOTH suck

May 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

TD

That can be true and like all politicians including Obama Romney, which one doesn’t flip flop, smokescreen, side step……..

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender- Romney

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It’s sex. Same sex, Mitt. You can say it.

(ir)Rational

May 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

Fred @ 5:03 – From my experience, yes. :)

Sooth – I would agree with your wife nagging you to turn off the golf. Why would you want to watch that crap? :)

(ir)Rational

May 9th, 2012
5:10 pm

GT – This is such a swallow subject – Freudian slip much?

Jefferson

May 9th, 2012
5:10 pm

The main reason those oppose it is money and fear. Time to clinch for those folks.

george w

May 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

this guy would do anything for a single vote! no american should support interracial or gay marriage!

doh!

May 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

My entire and extended Southern Republican family fully supports my right to marry whom I love and I love them for that. I also fully understand that they do not represent the extreme right wing fanatics who want to stick their noses into everyone’s private life. They are Republicans who believe in fairness and less government intervention in our private lives. Hopefully they can drown out the far right extremists.

josef

May 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

OSCAR

Ain’t it the truth!

BROSEPHUS
I’m old enough to remember the truly bad old days for gay folks…I’m amazed at how far we’ve come in so short a time. For the President to say what he said and, yes, when he said it…it makes the silliness of North Carolina pale in comparison..

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

rightwingextreme

May 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

if marriage is allowed to be redefined from one man and one woman, then all bets are off as to who may be allowed to marry.

could you deny members of the North American Man Boy Love Association the ability to marry an underage boy?
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Is this what passes for logic among your kind or are you hoping that you will have the legal right to rape little boys?

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

GT

May 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

________

Gay marriage is a swallow subject. Well, yes, could be.

jimmie

May 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

what a shock. this guy hates all things moral. hes gotta go.

Obamas is wrong again

May 9th, 2012
5:12 pm

Oblama just helped me make up my mind. There is no way I would vote for what my Bible says is an abomination. He just put his finger up in the air to see which way the wind was blowing. I hope he regrets this day at the ballot box.

They BOTH suck

May 9th, 2012
5:13 pm

“Obama and Romney…”

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

“could you deny members of the North American Man Boy Love Association the ability to marry an underage boy”

Yes

Jay

May 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

“Oblama just helped me make up my mind.”

What does your Bible say about lying?

They BOTH suck

May 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

“God bless America, my home sweet home…………. God bless America…………”

Fred ™

May 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

doh!

May 9th, 2012
5:11 pm
They are Republicans who believe in fairness and less government intervention in our private lives. Hopefully they can drown out the far right extremists.
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I wish them all the luck in the world with that. I really do. As an independent the current state of the republican party scars the hell out of me. They have gone so far right and bat sht crazy that there is no balance to the left any more……….

Oscar

May 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

Obamas is wrong again

May 9th, 2012
5:12 pm
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You are reading parts of your bible out of context. And ignoring other parts to suit your own opinions.

They BOTH suck

May 9th, 2012
5:15 pm

“There is no way I would vote for what my Bible says is an abomination”

So the GOP platform is spelled out in the Bible

Do tell………..

Soothsayer

May 9th, 2012
5:15 pm

Doggone/GA

May 9th, 2012
5:15 pm

“Is this what passes for logic among your kind”

Short answer: yes

josef

May 9th, 2012
5:16 pm

rightwingextreme

Go away, Little Boy, you bother me. Not even you can rain on my parade today!