11:34 am May 4, 2012, by Jay
With their recent decline, housing prices nationwide have now fallen back to levels of which year, after adjusting for inflation?
You can also find it here.
May 4th, 20121:25 pm
and for those out there keeping score…Bush “saved” GM.
May 4th, 20121:26 pm
Deflect to gay marriage?
What is willard’s position?
Obama is over
The concept of housing prices never going down again was a major cause of the burst housing bubble and a major source of obscene profits for those who shorted everything housing. The challenge for Atlanta going forward is how to support the city on property taxes based on 2012 appraisals. I guess we will get more of the raise milage rates/lower appraisals game. The hard part about the 2012 appraisals is that it becomes difficult to refinance at today’s rates because you don’t have enough equity in the house. With the unemployment/underemployment rate for college grads under the age of 25 at 53%, the class of 2012 will more than likely be living with Mom and Dad for awhile and the prospect of ever owning a house will seem like a distant dream. As Dan Henniger pointed out yesterday in the WSJ, there is really no reason for recent college grads to support Obama unless they plan on being union lifers.
“Bush “saved” GM.”
May 4th, 20121:27 pm
there’s no link for common knowledge…but try google.
May 4th, 20121:28 pm
Apologize for the rhetorical question. I don’t know what Romney’s stand is.
May 4th, 20121:30 pm
Between now and the election, Democrats will make a forceful arguement, complete with stats, that this is the Republican’s fault. Of course, Republicans will make a forceful arguement, complete with stats, that this is the Democrat’s fault. Both parties will twist and spin so that the people won’t honestly know whose fault it its.
So, Jay, who’s to blame?
The gop position on our auto industry was to let it fail.
w used socialism to save the banks like his daddy saved the saving and loans.
What will collapse when the gop win?
The gop record on our economy is horrible.
May 4th, 20121:31 pm
Y’all, MCA died today.
May 4th, 20121:32 pm
“So, Jay, who’s to blame?”
He is not going to answer that question because (and don’t let this out) HE is to blame.
Yeah, I don’t know his positions yet because he flip flops on most of his positions.
May 4th, 20121:33 pm
Those who understand interest earn it, those that don’t pay it. This is the answer to the crash.
May 4th, 2012
That is not true. The position was to let them go through the same bankruptcy re organizational process as every other company that can not pay their bills.
May 4th, 20121:35 pm
Adam from the Beastie Boys lost his battle with cancer.
May 4th, 20121:36 pm
I come here, and for some reason I’m thinking “oh! new topic, maybe we’ll have a new discussion.” Then I scroll through the posts, and realize it is just the same dam thing every day. I don’t even know why we bother, it seems, aside from our personal conversations, that we could just copy and paste the comments from every other post.
May 4th, 20121:37 pm
Bankruptcy would lose more jobs silly.
We get higher mileage , electric, hybrid, etc…. cars out of the deal.
May 4th, 20121:38 pm
td – Yeah, kinda crazy how well that works sometimes. For those of you that aren’t able to figure out any examples, see Delta.
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 20121:39 pm
May 4th, 20121:40 pm
May 4th, 20121:42 pm
“Jazz and Awol that’s our team
Step inside the party, disrupt the whole scene
When it comes to beats, well I’m a fiend
I like my sugar with coffee and cream
Got to keep it going keep it going full steam
Too sweet to be sour, too nice to be mean
On the tough guy style- I’m not too keen
To try to change the world- I will plot and scheme.”
The put on a great show.
Lots of fun.
May 4th, 20121:43 pm
May 4th, 2012
Would a less powerful corporation such as GM not have opened the market for smaller businesses, from which even more innovation and job creation may have taken place.
There are many people out there with great ideas for higher mileage cars. Yet they lack the cash to be able to compete with the huge corporations like GM, who is able to buy everything at a much lower price per unit.
So we would have indeed lost more jobs in the short term but would have opened a chance for much greater growth and innovation.
May 4th, 20121:44 pm
1st time I saw them was in 1987
Columbus GA of all places
May 4th, 20121:46 pm
Never cared much for beastie boys, however, sorry such a young life was cut short….
“I don’t really know how bad the housing bust is but maybe we could ask Barney Frank and Chris Dodd how they would go about fixing it.”
Of course, you don’t know jack ___ about these things.
It is not an accident. Unless willful ignorance is an accident…
“If you are writing this piece to somehow justify the price of homes under Bozo and the gang, it won’t wash.”
I pity you. The housing crash started in late 2006. Hate has consumed you. We all know you cons are blaming the entire mess this country is in on Obama, but it all started under GWB. And you cons have blocked every attempt at fixing it.
“Did you know he has held more fund raisers than the previous FIVE presidents combined?”
That’s what happens when you have to battle Super PAC’s and billionaires.
Did you know he has played THREE times as many rounds of golf in three years as George W. Bush played in eight?
Did you know GWB was on vacation for over 900 days? From CBS News:
“So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.
Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off — 28 days.”
May 4th, 20121:47 pm
GM is doing fine but the gse of fan/fred is still getting bailed out.
We should address this problem but it is corrupt congress’s gse.
May 4th, 20121:50 pm
As a tribute, here’s my kid’s band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ntz6QlQF0s
(be nice, they’re 5th graders)
So, how many of you work from home? Just out of curiosity?
May 4th, 20121:52 pm
“Regulation, along with the highest corporate tax rates in the world for doing business inside the country and Obamacare are reasons for corporations not to hire people in this country.”
Your argument would be stronger, Sinkwich td, if you were more specific.
But you’ve got the slogans and sound bites down pat!
May 4th, 20121:53 pm
Juan Mo Try…
Junior Seau’s brain is being donated to science for research. I wonder when scientists will request a con brain for research. They’ve already found that conservative brains are wired for fear.
This blog proves that without a doubt.
May 4th, 20121:54 pm
iRun…….. too cool
(ir)Rational: I do….. 90% or more of the time
there’s no link for common knowledge = I got nothin’.
That was fun.
I like the name of their band.
May 4th, 20121:57 pm
I agree the mind and genes of the cons should be studied.
The empathy, shame and common sense genes are missing in their dna.
td, as to the vacations, I agree. That’s why I didn’t complain about Bush and Reagan being away from DC.
I just offered those numbers to those who think that Obama is being somehow worse.
May 4th, 20121:59 pm
May 4th, 2012
Oh my fault, you must think I am for any corporate bailout.
Individual bailouts…. In some cases as we have a resposibilty to those without any abilty to support themselves in a short term or long term situation. But a corporation has already shown the abilty to support themselves, or they never would have made it to a large corporate status.
Thanks, y’all, I think it’s great they’re getting the exposure of performing. It will help them later in life.
As for the name, the kids picked it. They wanted something Atlanta.
And Crier, approving development that outstrips the infrastructure is an entirely different than approving development that may or may not outstrip the market.
I argued for years against encouraging development that outstripped available infrastructure. For that I was rewarded with accusations that I was a socialist who hated jobs and profits.
…there is really no reason for recent college grads to support Obama unless they plan on being union lifers.
Yet another awesome example of how self-destructive and programmably blind the fake conservatives are.
Irrefutable fact; The labor unions played a very large role in the United States of America becoming a middle class dominated country.
The 30 year Republican destruction of them has played a very large role in the destruction of America’s middle class.
Own it, you trickled on boobs…
May 4th, 20122:00 pm
TBS – I guess you’re the only one that is going to answer, so I’ll have to ask you why you take 90% of the time you’re getting paid for as vacation? If Bush going to his ranch and working, and Reagan going to his ranch and working count as vacation, then it only makes sense that the same standards apply to you and everyone else.
Also, I work from home 3 days a week, because we have to share desks at my office.
May 4th, 20122:01 pm
“But a corporation has already shown the abilty to support themselves, or they never would have made it to a large corporate status.”
Corrupt congress could not even cut the low hanging fruit of big oil welfare.
It is the peoples fault for reelecting them.
ByteMe - Political thug
So, how many of you work from home?
May 4th, 20122:03 pm
“As for the name, the kids picked it. They wanted something Atlanta.”
Tell them the blog loved it.
JamVet – You’re right, Obama is over should have also added in “or if they want to work for the government.”
May 4th, 20122:04 pm
iRun and ByteMe – Well, in that case, quit taking so much vacation time.
May 4th, 2012
So were those good bailouts?
May 4th, 20122:06 pm
“If Bush going to his ranch and working, and Reagan going to his ranch and working count as vacation”
Yeah, I’m sure they put in alot of work.
But that is very telling. Bush had a ranch. Reagan had a ranch. What? Obama the elitist doesn’t have a ranch? Do tell.
getalife – On one of the rare occasions we agree, I feel I have to say something. It is everyone’s fault for reelecting all the idiots in Congress (or will be when the first-termers are reelected). So many people have the idea that “there is something wrong with all those Congressmen, but mine.” Those people are kidding themselves. There is something wrong with all those Congressmen. No qualifiers, no exceptions, there is something wrong with ALL of them.
May 4th, 20122:08 pm
mm – Even Jay admits that Bush was working at his ranch. Guess you can’t admit reality that doesn’t play into your narrative? What is telling about two people that live in the American West having a ranch? I’m very curious to know.
Well, in that case, quit taking so much vacation time.
I’m self-employed, not un-employed.
I wish I could get more vacation time. Maybe when I’m dead….
May 4th, 20122:09 pm
WTF are you talking about?
There is no post with TBS attached to it that defends or knocks Obama, Bush, Reagan, Clinton, etc, etc in regards to vacations..
I work for myself and get paid either by the job or by the hour……
Not sure what you are attempting to prove or demonstrate, but keep trying
Even Jay admits that Bush was working at his ranch. Guess you can’t admit reality that doesn’t play into your narrative?
Even on “vacation”, Presidents still meet with their national security advisors EVERY MORNING. They don’t get to just “check out” and not answer the phone when, for example, the President of Spain calls.
Beginning with Ronnie the Red and through George Walker Brezhnev, the Republicans have turned dead red socialist.
And now the Marxists want to elect another one – the father of socialized medicine no less.
Just say no to con-munism!
Did someone say something about MCA?
(If you look carefully, you’ll see me at the 37 second mark. LOL!)
May 4th, 20122:10 pm
My little brother has a ranch and makes 54k a year. He raises cattle part time and has about 17 head. Is he an elitist cause he has a “ranch”. Geez. The crap you guys come up with.
ByteMe – I actually guessed by your name that you might be self-employed, as so many in the IT industry are. I was just going off the liberal theme of the day, that anytime you’re not in your office, you’re on vacation. I guess that changes if your office is at home, but I’m just playing “take my point to the extreme and apply it equally to everyone” cause it is fun.
May 4th, 20122:12 pm
“So were those good bailouts?”
If you’re a commie, I guess so.
But all the cowards did was to reward criminal behavior.
(The GOP thing to do, doncha know!)
May 4th, 20122:14 pm
Are you back to using the same broad brushes you were accusing others of using not too long ago?
May 4th, 2012
Which politician isn’t for some type of corporate welfare?
Some want to take from this corporation, but give to this one.
People have to vote for someone! Or not vote.
We need better leaders, willing to serve the people with more of a we attitude instead of what is best for me!
But u r correct, we as voters need to do a better job of voting for those leaders when presented, regardless of party affiliation, instead vote based upon that person’s character and ability to lead.
td: It is not a vacation to go to your home or to camp David
By that standard, Obama has NEVER taken vacation.
May 4th, 20122:15 pm
ty: and for those out there keeping score…Bush “saved” GM.
Sorry, but Bush isn’t President anymore.
Nothing wrong with vacations. W usually had working vacations when he was at his ranch for a month at a time. And I don’t begrudge O any of his vacation time. As a matter of fact I wish he would take the rest of the year off. The more he is away from work the less damage he can do to the nation. Maybe then we wouldn’t have extemely disaappointing jobs reports numbers of 115k new jobs in an economy that needs 150k a month minimally just to keep pace with new entrants into the workforce. Take the year off O. I promise I won’t complain.
May 4th, 20122:16 pm
TBS – See my post to ByteMe @ 2:10. I’m not trying to say you made the point or not, I was honestly expecting to get more than three responses to the “who works from home question” so to make my point, I had to attach it to you, since you were the only one to respond. I was just trying make a point in an attempt to prove to some people that they’re being more than a little crazy.
ByteMe – Yeah, that was the other part of my point. You never stop being president, and that doesn’t change just because you’re not at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
May 4th, 20122:18 pm
“As a matter of fact I wish he would take the rest of the year off”
Like O or not…….. that is funny
Good one TD
Thulsa Doom: Nothing wrong with vacations. W usually had working vacations when he was at his ranch for a month at a time.
Bush isn’t President anymore.
The American people elected w twice so we are the problem.
If we can’t count on the American people to vote them out, we need term limits.
I would propose the FBI to handle ethics because they can’t police themselves.
They think they are above the law and abuse systems they established.
They passed an insider trading bill but it was already illegal.
bachus got rich of the collapse by using insider trading.
No charges from the so called ethics committee.
May 4th, 20122:19 pm
Adam – You keep repeating yourself, but do you have a point? If so, it isn’t exactly clear.
“Sorry, but Bush isn’t President anymore.’
hence my use of the past tense for save. thanks.
“Sorry, but Bush isn’t President anymore.”
Thank you Adam. We’ll keep that in mind next time a lib wants to blame W in Obama’s 4th year as president.
May 4th, 20122:21 pm
Thulsa Doom: We’ll keep that in mind next time a lib wants to blame W in Obama’s 4th year as president.
Will you also keep it in mind the next time a con wants to praise Bush for something that happened during Obama’s term?
(ir)Rational: ^ THAT was my point.
262 more days
May 4th, 20122:22 pm
If GM is doing so grand, how about asking them to repay all the loans that they owe the US Taxpayers?
And ty, GM didn’t start doing well until Bush wasn’t President anymore. So your past tense doesn’t work in context.
May 4th, 20122:23 pm
The President does not have a record to run on is a blatant gop lie.
He does and when he talks about a major accomplishment like getting obl, cons heads explode.
He will list all his accomplishments and run on his record.
1722 more days: If GM is doing so grand, how about asking them to repay all the loans that they owe the US Taxpayers?
You mean the government is just absolving them of loan responsibility?
getalife – I was limiting it specifically to Congress, but if you want to extend it past Congress, then why not? The American people screwed up and elected Bush, but he seemed to be (and in retrospect, to a lot of people still seems to have been) a better choice that Gore or Kerry. Then they over-reacted and tried to pull back, but went to far and elected Obama. So, they’ve screwed up a lot in that respect. I would agree with needing term limits, the FBI handling ethics (but we would have to spend probably more money than they waste already on special elections to replace all the ones that are in prison) is probably one of the best solutions to that problem I’ve ever heard. Kudos for that.
May 4th, 20122:24 pm
May 4th, 20122:25 pm
(ir)Rational: If GM is doing so grand, how about asking them to repay all the loans that they owe the US Taxpayers?
This analysis is a bit extreme isn’t it? Anyone but Gore? Anyone but Kerry? Obama as radical who went too far/was going to go too far/had supporters that went too far?
May 4th, 20122:26 pm
they BOTH suck,
I’m just gitting started. Just got in from several appts so now I’m going to screw around a bit. You were unusually hard on JKL2 last night. I mean you were on his azz liike white on rice.
May 4th, 2012
Oh no no,
Go back and read I am against any and all corporate bailouts of any type. They made the money once if they are good they can make it again.
Why no blame to dems though? They had a bailout too.
As far as socilized HC, the only difference I can see between the two is that one was put into “socialize” on the state level, while the other was to “socialize” the entire nation as a whole.
In that some see a difference. Whole state rights, federal rights argument. Too long to have.
(ir)Rational: Oops copy and paste didn’t work, meant to quote this:
The American people screwed up and elected Bush, but he seemed to be (and in retrospect, to a lot of people still seems to have been) a better choice that Gore or Kerry. Then they over-reacted and tried to pull back, but went to far and elected Obama.
Adam – I think the point ty was making was “who gave them the money?” But I’m just guessing. You and Thulsa both make valid points though. If you’re still blaming everything bad in the world on Bush, he has been pretty quiet for 3.5 years, and if you’re wanting to give Obama credit for anything good that has happened, great, but if it was something that Bush started/did, then he deserves the credit. Give credit/blame where they are due.
May 4th, 20122:28 pm
It’s also essentially useless in this context. Certain things make sense to be national, even if you disagree with the exact implementation. Education and health care are two such things. Theoretically you have a say in how they are run, but not as long as representatives on both the state AND federal level continue to listen to people with money instead of their constituents.
May 4th, 20122:29 pm
Adam – When I was saying too far, I meant they had a perfectly viable candidate in Hillary. That was the too far. If the democrats had of presented a better choice than Gore or Kerry in 2000 or 2004, I would probably have revised my statement. As it is, I stand by what I said. Also, I never said anything about Obama going to far, I said the voters did. If you’re going to criticize what I’ve said, learn to read what I actually said and stick with that.
“Will you also keep it in mind the next time a con wants to praise Bush for something that happened during Obama’s term?”
For that rare occurrence I guess its good to keep your w is no longer potus card around. But if that’s the game I gotta feeling we are going to get a lot of use out of your W is no longer potus card.
May 4th, 20122:30 pm
(ir)Rational: True, very true. I think Bush and Obama both deserve some credit on a couple of things that they agreed on and both worked to implement. For example, the Iraq timetable and some of the bailouts.
May 4th, 20122:31 pm
If Bush “saved” GM, then why were they just about to teeter into bankruptcy and oblivion before Obama intervened?
That’s not to say Bush didn’t help — he did. Much to the chagrin of his fellow Republicans, he kept them afloat until a permanent deal could be reached.
But he didn’t “save” it.
hard yes….. but he can talk a lot of BS with little to no facts
He has his right to his opinion without a doubt, however when your opinion is backed up by Op Ed pieces and I’m the “sheeple”?? ………………. Blogging persona at minimum; he confuses opinion with fact way too much………..
There are those on all sides who do it as well, but he takes it to the extreme……… I will pass him by for now on
May 4th, 20122:32 pm
(ir)Rational: When I was saying too far, I meant they had a perfectly viable candidate in Hillary
Well, I paid attention to a primary for the first time in my life in that one, and I found Obama to be better representative of where I wanted the country to go. And as far as the platform I voted for, he has delivered. It’s also become obvious that the GOP seek to either undo or not persists in many of the very things I wanted to see done, such as broadband access as a national initiative in areas that dont’ already have that infrastructure, and other more commonly known infrastructure.
Only 115,0000 new jobs?
I’m loving it already.
again Adam, president Bush “saved” GM(which I didn’t support, but “scorekeepers’ do need to be accurate)…but don’t fret, your guy still got Osama…”so you got that goin’ for ya…which is nice.”
May 4th, 20122:33 pm
Jay – Serious question, because I honestly wasn’t paying that much attention at the time, I was worrying about keeping my job, but who gave GM the bailout?
May 4th, 20122:35 pm
But if that’s the game I gotta feeling we are going to get a lot of use out of your W is no longer potus card.
How dumb. I point out something in a sarcastic manner, and you call it “[my] card.” You guys loves you some Psychological Projection. The War on Women is THE LEFT. The divisiveness is THE LEFT. The flexible etch a sketch is THE LEFT. What a f***ing joke…..
May 4th, 20122:37 pm
But he didn’t “save” it.-Jay
Well apparently if he kept them afloat until a permanent deal could be worked out then it would appear he did indeed have a hand in “saving” gm.
And of course since he helped them “when he was president” I guesss Adam doesn’t get to use his W is no longer president card since we are talking about action W took when he was potus. Sorry Adam.
May 4th, 20122:38 pm
“he kept them afloat”
really?…so if they didn’t “float” what happens?
ty: and he:
-worked to provide affordable, high-quality child care to working families. http://bit.ly/fNfidS
-fast-tracked regulations to allow states to enact federal fuel efficiency standards that were above federal standards. http://nyti.ms/e8e94x
-oversaw and passed increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts
-invested heavily in elementary, secondary and post-secondary education. This includes a major expansion of broadband availability in K-12 schools nationwide, as well as an expansion in school construction.
I have more, and more links, but you have to be nice, and I only get two links per post.
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