An irrefutable argument from climate-change deniers
UPDATE: Under harsh criticism, the Heartland Institute has now decided to end its billboard program.
The Heartland Institute describes itself as “a leading source of science and economics questioning claims that man-made global warming is a crisis.” And it’s true, as far as such things go: In the universe of climate-change deniers, Heartland is as close to mainstream as the movement gets.
This is how Heartland has chosen to participate in the debate regarding “science and economics.”
According to Heartland, this is planned as part of a series of such billboards. Additional stars will be Charles Manson and perhaps Osama bin Laden. And if you want to know why Heartland has chosen to feature such people on its billboards, it has thoughtfully provided an answer:
“Because what these murderers and madmen have said differs very little from what spokespersons for the United Nations, journalists for the “mainstream” media, and liberal politicians say about global warming….”
Most scientists and 60 percent of the general public (in the U.S.) do not believe man-made global warming is a problem. The people who still believe in man-made global warming are mostly on the radical fringe of society. This is why the most prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen.”
If I may paraphrase Heartland’s argument, sane people shouldn’t want anything to do with people who have gone off the deep end, are truly nutty, have lost all sense of proportion and decency and say and do preposterous things.
I think they have a point.
– Jay Bookman
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334 comments Add your comment
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:19 pm
Because climate change deniers can’t come up with anything better than ad hominem now. Nice.
You guys are LOSING this battle. This was always going to happen, you know.
Towncrier
May 4th, 2012
3:19 pm
“One doesn’t have to be familiar with Heartland. Their reasoning and method of persuasion are cited in Jay’s writing. That’s the issue. Not global warming or climate change or anything else. Those are just the subject Heartland used to reveal its thought process and persuasion tactics.”
I am inclined to disagree. You saw Jay’s response to my question and I would bet he is, yet again, setting up a kind of straw man to advance or persuade others to a certain belief. I hate to be cynical, but unless he categorically denies this, that is what it looks like to me.
rightwing troll
May 4th, 2012
3:19 pm
Hmmm… association… and the resident gullible wingnuts lap it up…
Ted Kaczynski is to global warming as Timothy McVey is to wingnuts…
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:20 pm
Towncrier
Unanimity within the scientific community is not a criteria for acceptance or rejection.
It’s similar to what we see here when someone says “black holes exist in space. Science cites x, y and z to arrive at that conclusion’
and someone responds with “not ALL scientists believe black holes are real.”
Absolutes are the bane of thoughtful discussion.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:20 pm
Logical Dude :
Probably #2 right now …………… but that could change ………. either direction.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:20 pm
Corporal, is the Bush family profiting from those German subs?
Joseph
May 4th, 2012
3:22 pm
Jay its good to know you fall in that group with the Unibomber and Manson…. They are far left loons too….
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:22 pm
BTW, the unabomber should sue for use of his image without permission. But I suspect mug shots are public domain. Oh well.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:22 pm
P.S.
In my lifetime we have gone from a glacier is going to destroy Cleveland to we’re all going to melt.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:23 pm
Scout: Why?
Are consenting adults allowed to do that?
What right to we have to tell her who to marry and how many times?
Huh?
If she had a legal contract to be married to all of them at once, I don’t see the problem. Oh wait, she can’t, because a legal contract between two people is the only feasible form of a marriage contract.
Get back to me when you can make a better point.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:24 pm
JamVet:
Yes. It’s the “GWB” !
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:24 pm
Oh btw, the Heartland institute and everyone who supports them in this recent effort ARE BEING DIVISIVE
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 4th, 2012
3:24 pm
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:08 pm
TBG: JKL2, you GOTS to know teh RULZ!!!
Called it!. Predictable. So predictable….
__________________________________________________________________________
Adam, if you don’t like people calling you out about “TEH RULZ”, then STOP telling other people what they can and can’t say in a post.
As far as your “Called it”, that’s like pizzing in the lobby of a police station and saying “watch me get arrested”
At the very least publish “teh rulz” so you don’t have to tell us when we are breaking one.
kthxbye
ByteMe - Political thug
May 4th, 2012
3:24 pm
Jay, et al, Source for my information was “Golbal Warming Melts Away” by Randall Hoven.
You know that Mr. Hoven is such an exemplary climatologist that he also argues against vaccinations. A jack of all trades? Master of none.
Don’t let someone cherry pick the data for you. Look to climatologists for the right information, not pundits.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:25 pm
“In my lifetime we have gone from a glacier is going to destroy Cleveland”
Where in the name of Allah did you come up with that lunacy?
Man, you must have done so damn good drugs in the jungle!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:25 pm
“Oh wait, she can’t, because a legal contract between two people is the only feasible form of a marriage contract.”
No …………….. she can’t because it’s against the law.
Generation$crewed
May 4th, 2012
3:25 pm
It is getting warmer, but why?
Seriously, exactly why, what eveidence proves exactly what causes it and how that directly links to the earth warming?
Has been a massive increase in the amount of people on the planet…. Maybe it is man made, but what to do if we cause it simply by existing? Lots of folks breathing, and animals breathing to feed us.
Let’s all be honest and admit both sides on the extreame are wrong, as with most things.
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:25 pm
Towncrier
Jay responded to a question you asked that did not concern Heartland’s tactics.
To then accuse him of attempting to set up a strawman strikes me as disingenuous.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:25 pm
JamVet:
It’s called hyperbole.
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:27 pm
Josef
“Jay its good to know you fall in that group with the Unibomber and Manson…. They are far left loons too….”
Based on your exchange with Jay this morning regarding making stuff up and believing it….
Don’t you mean they are far Right loons?
ByteMe - Political thug
May 4th, 2012
3:27 pm
It is getting warmer, but why?
Because my damn a/c just broke…
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:27 pm
Well, as long as their business assets aren’t again seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act, like that time in 1942, we can all just go wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Don't Tread
May 4th, 2012
3:28 pm
Climate change is caused by money…namely, other people having too much of it. So the obvious solution is: take it away from them.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:28 pm
Towncrier: If we could tomorrow know with all certainty the actual cause, would you bet the lives of your children on that position today
We already know with certainty that is the reason. Where have you been the last 3 decades?
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:28 pm
Brosephus
“No shock for me on that one….”
Me either.
********************************
GETALIFE
“Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is calling early elections so that he and his government will be free to deal with Iran’s nuclear program this September-October, one of Israel’s best-informed political commentators said on Friday night”
Confident”
That’s pretty much what I figured the deal was he had worked out with Obama and why he came out smiling like the Cheshire Cat.
He lets the Israel feist off the leash, Bibi gets the brownie points to go back in, Iran gets a smackdown, Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, et al are secretly chuckling, publicly raising a ruckus, Obama chastizes Israel and slips them the new arms under the table and rattles some sabres,,,and everybody’s happy…
Logical Dude
May 4th, 2012
3:29 pm
Hi Scout,
Thank you for your response.
Even Heartland, in a subtle way, indicates they are #3.
Towncrier
May 4th, 2012
3:29 pm
“Really, I am curious to where each of you fall in this survey.”
Sorry, LD, I must decline. Figure out where I stand from my posts. The big issue for me is the proposed massive expenditure to avert or diminish further global warming when I am not at all convinced that a significant amount of that warming is attributable to the actions of mankind. I am not saying that I think we haven’t contributed to the warming as a commonsense conclusion, but boy would it ever be stupid to possibly wreck our economy on a false premise. Do I think we should take measures to reduce C02 emissions? Of course. But I feel we need to do it an cost effective manner.
Lucifer
May 4th, 2012
3:29 pm
Obama needs to constantly remind voters that Romney hides his money in Swiss bank accounts to avoid paying U.S. taxes. What kind of person runs for president and has the gall to launder his profits in off-short bank accounts and other countries? He’s a great example of someone “who loves his country.” Willard, who has somewhat of a spoiled brat quality, really is in store for a big disappointment in November. I would like to see him fade away into oblivion. I’m sick of hearing his flip flops and constant fabrications, exaggerations and outright bald-face lies. The guy would poison his own grandmother if she stood in the way of his ambitions.
ByteMe - Political thug
May 4th, 2012
3:29 pm
Maybe it is man made, but what to do if we cause it simply by existing?
By “existing” do you mean by destroying old growth rain forests, pumping billions of tons of carbon-based pollutants into the air each year, and so on?
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:29 pm
Scout: Sorry, but your solar activity argument is old and WRONG. Also debunked: http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
Want to know the real reasons? See here: http://climate.nasa.gov/
You know, that liberal HACK NASA.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:30 pm
“Time for a science refresher if the criteria is ‘everyone agrees.”
I am not sure what you mean here.
Color me shocked.
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 2012
3:30 pm
josef @ 3:28
I’m with you on that last part for sure
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:31 pm
The world is warming because of all those damn cows farting.
And humans have NOTHING AT ALL to do with that, right?
Towncrier
May 4th, 2012
3:31 pm
“We already know with certainty that is the reason. Where have you been the last 3 decades?”
No…we do not. The only way we could know that with certainty is if where able to isolate the possible factors causing it. I shouldn’t need to explain that to you.
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:31 pm
PAUL
@ 3:27
Was I exchanging with Jay on here today? I just got home…fill me in…
ByteMe - Political thug
May 4th, 2012
3:32 pm
My position on this is:
1. Global warming is happening.
2. Man caused the bulk of it; holding all other variables constant, we’re the primary cause of the change.
3. When it gets to “crisis” levels, someone will build a giant flying machine that will convert high atmosphere pollutants into diamonds via temperature and pressure.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:33 pm
TBG: Adam, if you don’t like people calling you out about “TEH RULZ”
Oh no, I quite enjoy it. By all means, keep going. It entertains me.
Towncrier
May 4th, 2012
3:34 pm
“Color me shocked.”
I was giving Paul the benefit of the doubt, thinking possibly his response was not a put-down (because anyone who has studied the history of science knows that there has seldom been unanimity of believe among scientists). But thanks for providing the put-down he may not have.
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:34 pm
BOTH
I caught part of that exchange last p.m. on Obama and Israel…the right’s got a long way to go to show how our relationship to Israel has changed under Obama. If anything, it’s cozier than it’s been in a long time…
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:34 pm
“Figure out where I stand from my posts.”
Rick Perry’s November 2010 book Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington:
Chapter 3: Al Gore Is Part Of A Conspiracy To Deny The Existence Of Global Cooling
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:34 pm
Scout: And it’s against the law because it’s not a feasible form of legal marriage contract. A legal marriage contract between two people is.
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:36 pm
josef
Sorry, I meant “JosePH” Joseph.
This morning he posted some stuff, Jay said how he makes stuff up, then believes it, then treats it as fact and pretty much cites his imagination as proof.
So when he said people the Heartland Institute cited sound like far left loons (the guys cited were insane) I had to gently inquire if he didn’t, based upon his prior posts, mean far right loons.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:36 pm
Headline: “Obama Abolishes the Press Conference”
“President Obama has held just one full length, multi-topic, solo press conference in the last six months, effectively abolishing the most accessible venue for American citizens to observe the thinking and learn the views of their leader.”
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/05/04/obama-abolishes-press-conference/
CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT.
Logical Dude
May 4th, 2012
3:36 pm
Towncrier: I am not at all convinced that a significant amount of that warming is attributable to the actions of mankind
Okay, sounds close to number 2 on that one, with other parts of your post combining pieces of other numbers (particularly about taking action).
I agree wrecking the economy is stupid. But at least recognition that man is causing harm to the planet is a step that many still need to take before ANY action is taken.
I’m with the camp that is similar to the boy scouts. Leave the place better than you found it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:37 pm
Adam:
“And it’s against the law because it’s not a feasible form of legal marriage contract. A legal marriage contract between two people is.”
And you make my point.
So why do “we” have the right to make that a law?
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:38 pm
Towncrier: No…we do not. The only way we could know that with certainty is if where able to isolate the possible factors causing it. I shouldn’t need to explain that to you.
Actually, we do have certainty. Just not 100% certainty, which is not what is required. We also don’t have 100% certainty about the laws of gravity. But we are pretty damn certain about it. THAT is what I meant. And I shouldn’t need to explain that to YOU.
Don't Tread
May 4th, 2012
3:38 pm
“Obama Abolishes the Press Conference”
He’s just helpin with global warming with less “sunshine”.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:38 pm
Scout: So why do “we” have the right to make that a law?
You know what? You’re right. Let’s outlaw marriage altogether.
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:38 pm
PAUL
Thanks…was just wondering if I had been namejacked…you know what that’s like…
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:40 pm
josef
Yeah, and I also know from the context and what was written, no one would ever have thought that was you!
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:40 pm
BOTH
BTW, did y’all ever decide what to do with me and my kind last p.m.
j$
May 4th, 2012
3:41 pm
Where the heck was this billboard and who is Heartland?
I saw this billboard on the road earlier today:
http://www.makesweet.com/share/show/0cd14d5e/
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 2012
3:41 pm
josef
It was crazy and I should have left it alone after 100 posts. I basically ended up stooping to the level and maybe worse then the person posting that bs
“obama and his ‘allies” are preparing to blow Israel off the map”…………… and it appeared he really believed it; to the point of offering up an Op Ed as factual evidence to what I asked him
oh well………
It is Friday. Hope you are having a good day
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 2012
3:42 pm
josef
I’m good with it…………. live and let live
The “veiled” phobias coming from my “opponent” …… were not as well hidden as he thought
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:44 pm
I’m rather disappointed that none of our GOP climatologists here have mentioned the conspiracy to change the name from global warming to climate change!
Even so, the outliers in the lunatic fringe are becoming more and more isolated:
Less than a third of conservative Republicans say there is solid evidence for global warming, but 63% of moderate or liberal Republicans said they believe there is solid evidence for global warming, a 22% jump from 2009.
And worse, your socialist soon-to-be nominee is a traitor!
In June 2011, Mitt Romney said “I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that.”
Or has he flopped on that issue too?
Stay ignorant, my friends
Towncrier
May 4th, 2012
3:44 pm
“Jay responded to a question you asked that did not concern Heartland’s tactics. To then accuse him of attempting to set up a strawman strikes me as disingenuous.”
Huh? I am not following you here. His position, I take it from his response, is directly counter to Heartland’s. He attacks their “tactics”. For what purpose (actions such as writing a column about a particular subject always have motivations, you should know)? To condemn such tactics in general? If that is so, you should be able to point me to columns in which he attacks similar “tactics” used by liberals (or do you suppose that they are beneath liberals?). But without such evidence, then what I am to assume his motivation if for writing this column? I am all ears.
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:44 pm
PAUL
You, too…
BOTH
“It is Friday. Hope you are having a good day”
Let’s just put it this way, luckily I didn’t have a minute to think about it while it was going on, and now that I’m home and it’s over, no desire to think it over!
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 2012
3:44 pm
josef
Of course I do not know you anymore than our exchanges on this blog, however on that issue……… I got your back
Hope you know that
Booyakasha
May 4th, 2012
3:45 pm
Jay’s car is killing the planet
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:45 pm
jo, the bigoted b*llsh*t got so deep, I checked out early last night!
Booyakasha
May 4th, 2012
3:46 pm
Is Jay a 1%er?
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 2012
3:47 pm
booyakasha
My guess………….. a 5 or 10% er, but that could be high
Booyakasha
May 4th, 2012
3:47 pm
Jamvet checked out long ago
Presumably from a mental institution
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:47 pm
Meat, how would you know?
You have no earthly idea what even constitutes one.
Stay ignorant, my friend!
Towncrier
May 4th, 2012
3:47 pm
“Actually, we do have certainty. Just not 100% certainty, which is not what is required. We also don’t have 100% certainty about the laws of gravity. But we are pretty damn certain about it. THAT is what I meant. And I shouldn’t need to explain that to YOU.”
Nice try, ace. Please point me to an individual or group claiming the laws of gravity are no to be believed. We don’t have anywhere near that “certainty” about the caused of global warming (except perhaps in your own head) – to suggest an equivalence is almost stupid.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:48 pm
But kudos on correctly spelling all four words!
Booyakasha
May 4th, 2012
3:48 pm
I bet jay is a 1%er
Or very close
Thulsa Doom
May 4th, 2012
3:49 pm
The global warming alarmists do have a point. The earth did warm an entire 8 tenths of one stinking degree over the last 100 years of fossil fuel burning. God forbid that it should go up another degree over the next 100 years. The sky is falling. The sky is falling!
Lord Help Us
May 4th, 2012
3:49 pm
How about evolution TC?
Do you believe the bible or Darwin?
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:51 pm
BOTH
Yeah, it’s a relief and I do thank you for it…to be honest, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy to have a straight person take them on saying what is really just plain, common sense…no political agenda, no politically correct, just plain respect and common sense…
Me and Scout and Dell have tangled on it before and while I try to respect their religious beliefs, they do do a lot of two stepping there, too. Now, JKL? As Uncle Jed would say…wheee doggies! It’s the same fascination I get picking at a scabby wound! (eeewww!)
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:51 pm
It does not matter about certainty.
A sickeningly large percentage of Republicans don’t even believe in evolution.
Though the theory has been widely accepted by educated people for over 150 years and is the very basis for many modern sciences, including biology.
Which explains why only Turkey is lower on the list of 32 industrialized countries with alower percentage.
The cons are imbeciles…
RIP MCA
May 4th, 2012
3:52 pm
Pourin one…..
*weep*
Generation$crewed
May 4th, 2012
3:52 pm
ByteMe – Political thug
May 4th, 2012
3:27 pm
That sucks hopefully not too expensive.
Why do AC’s always seem to break at the start of summer instead of the end
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:52 pm
Adam:
Thanks for conceding.
If the law can’t restrict marriage to a man and a woman then it can’t restrict it to anything.
Peadawg
May 4th, 2012
3:52 pm
Off topic but this is the BS I’m talking about w/ regards to Obama:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/04/politics/obama-student-loans/index.html
One week he threatens to veto a student loan bill, the next week he’s spouting to students how important a bill is.
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:53 pm
Peadawg
Have you researched why he threatened a veto?
Thulsa Doom
May 4th, 2012
3:53 pm
“I take it from his response, is directly counter to Heartland’s. He attacks their “tactics”.”
Towncrier,
Very valid point. Jay never tried to debate Heartland’s science. Just their billboards. Very fallacious form of argument.
I wonder if the liberals caught that? Probably not.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:53 pm
BTW, those dolts in the Tea Party?
Only 11% believe in Anthropogenic Climate Change…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 4th, 2012
3:54 pm
josef:
What are you accusing me of “two-stepping” about ………………..
?
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 2012
3:54 pm
josef
You are without a doubt most certainly welcome…….. While the overall discussion got out of hand with me being jsut as guilty, it was a pleasure to combat with fact instead of phobia
Judge Judy
May 4th, 2012
3:54 pm
“The cons are imbeciles…”
So are the liberals.
kayaker 71
May 4th, 2012
3:55 pm
AJC Headline….. “Shrinking Economy Provides only 114K jobs in the month of April”.
Yet unemployment figures go from 8.2% to 8.1%. Who would bet that by October of this year that the unemployment numbers will be at 7.8% although we still have a “shrinking economy”? Spin…… the mother of all political bull sh*t.
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:55 pm
THULSA
Put down the memo. You’re educated enough to know the significance of just that. We’re in trouble. We’ve overpopulated the planet and Mother Nature is a b*tch…she’ll be taking a bottle of A-200 to the place and comb us out with a fine toothed comb…and unlike a lot of the Pollyanas, I really don’t think there’s a helluva lot we can do about it…
Dr. Beaulieu
May 4th, 2012
3:56 pm
There is no doubt the climate is changing; the only debate is over the cause. And that simply isn’t settled.
Jay
May 4th, 2012
3:56 pm
Very valid point. Jay never tried to debate Heartland’s science.
That would presume that Heartland has science in the first place. Given its choice of debating tactics, it does not.
Peadawg
May 4th, 2012
3:56 pm
“Have you researched why he threatened a veto?” – Yup, and his reason is absolutely hilarious. The bill threatens to cut a part of Obamacare that Obama himself wanted to cut in his own freakin’ budget. He’s playing a political game and it’s ridiculous.
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:56 pm
They BOTH
“it was a pleasure to combat with fact instead of phobia”
On this blog?!!?
Did it work?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 4th, 2012
3:56 pm
Well, it’s well past Bookman’s quitting time for Friday. Where’s the danged music?
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:57 pm
Towncrier: Please point me to an individual or group claiming the laws of gravity are no to be believed.
Science is not the art of collecting opinion polls. So nice try yourself, ace.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:57 pm
“The cons are scientifically illiterate imbeciles…”
(For those who cannot figure out context.)
Talking Head
May 4th, 2012
3:57 pm
Is there more CO2 in the atmosphere? Sure
Has the Earth been warming recently? Sure
COULD some of the rising temps be a direct result of humans? Sure
Could some of the rising temps be from the Sun? Sure
However, trading ‘carbon credits’ and placing taxes based on something we don’t fully understand is insane.
josef
May 4th, 2012
3:57 pm
SCOUT
You and two stepping? Sex, religion and politics!
Fred Flintstone
May 4th, 2012
3:57 pm
“Only 11% believe in Anthropogenic Climate Change…”
What the hell is anteropomo….. Dammit. Willlllma!!!!
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
3:58 pm
To Jay’s point. WHAT science?
Absurd.
Towncrier
May 4th, 2012
3:58 pm
“Though the theory has been widely accepted by educated people for over 150 years and is the very basis for many modern sciences, including biology.”
There have been many widely accepted beliefs throughout history that have later been proven to be false. So that means nothing to me (nor should it to anyone else). A belief must be assessed on the merit of evidence offered in support of it. Without appealing to authority, please outline in your own words the evidence which proves Darwin’s theory correct.
Paul
May 4th, 2012
3:58 pm
Recneck Convert
Right here.
Just for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTVj5lIkxp4
They BOTH suck
May 4th, 2012
3:59 pm
Paul
Now that is another story
Paul
May 4th, 2012
4:00 pm
Now the discussion is moving from not denying the reality of man’s impact on the climate, to what to do about it.
Progress.
josef
May 4th, 2012
4:00 pm
Dr. Beaulieu:
“There is no doubt the climate is changing; the only debate is over the cause. And that simply isn’t settled.”
Yep. Climatology as a scientific discipline is still in its infancy…something the climatologists will be the first to tell you. The problem is that neither “side” making memo-riddled partisanship political hay is listening…
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 4th, 2012
4:00 pm
Adam
May 4th, 2012
3:33 pm
TBG: Adam, if you don’t like people calling you out about “TEH RULZ”
Oh no, I quite enjoy it. By all means, keep going. It entertains me.
____________________________________________________________________________
No problem.
As long as you continue to tell only those you disagree with what they can and can not say (post), I will continue to point out your “THE RULZ”.
Also, using your logic, will you admonish others when the use the phrase “Obama Derangement Syndrome” since the first us was “Bush Derangement Syndrome”?
Somehow I doubt it.