“Republicans are seeking to portray President Obama as the divider-in-chief, arguing the presidential candidate who trumpeted hope and change four years ago is now running an increasingly negative campaign.
Their chief argument is that Obama’s attacks on the wealthy are meant to incite class warfare and a heightened us-versus-them mentality never seen before in present-day politics.
But Republicans also point to Democrats’ “war on women” and the contraception mandate in Obama’s healthcare law, which they argue is an attack on religious freedom.
Even the lead-up to the anniversary of the death of Osama bin Laden over the last week was used by a sharp-elbowed Obama to divide the nation, Republicans say.”
Politically speaking, it’s a smart if cynical strategy. Millions of Americans are indeed worried about how divisive our debate and rhetoric have become, and how difficult it has become to reach compromise. They understand at a gut level that it’s an unhealthy state of affairs, and that if allowed to fester it could threaten the nation’s long-term security, prosperity and unity.
Among Republicans, the fact that the divisiveness is almost entirely their own creation doesn’t faze them in the least. Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim, the Republican Party hopes to blame the whole mess all on Obama.
The truth is, Obama infuriates the Republicans simply by waking up as president each morning. Under the rubric of “taking our country back,” they have challenged his status as an American, they have impugned his faith and they have even questioned his loyalty and patriotism. From the very beginning, they have pursued a conscious strategy of refusing to compromise in any way whatsoever, to the point that they have purged any in their own camp who dare to even suggest such a course. (See Lugar, Richard)
There is no better illustration of that dynamic than what happened with the health-care debate.
When he came into office, Obama abandoned the more liberal public-option approach to health insurance that he had campaigned upon in the ‘08 race. Instead, he embraced an approach that had been pioneered by a Republican governor in Massachusetts, that had been championed for almost a decade by a former Republican speaker of the House from Georgia and that had been created by the most important conservative think tank in Washington.
But what was his reward for seeking common ground? Instead of winning bipartisan support through his embrace of the health-care mandate, Obama found himself condemned as a socialist who was out to undermine the foundation of American society. And that pattern has held throughout the course of his presidency.
Even then, it took Obama a while to come to the realization that no matter what he did, there would be no compromise. The only thing that his opponents wanted from him was his surrender and then his disappearance. That was their price for “unity,” and now they want to blame him for refusing to pay it.
– Jay Bookman
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Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm
Hah!
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
1:41 pm
“Among Republicans, the fact that the divisiveness is almost entirely their own creation doesn’t faze them in the least”
My God that is funny. Is the lib manufactured “war on women” not divisive?
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:42 pm
Told ya facts don’t matter this cycle.
When the cons believe every word they say with no questions asked and corporate media give them a free pass, they don’t have to tell the truth or use facts.
Fred ™
May 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm
Thulsa, sometimes all I can do after reading one of your posts is shake my head and say, “Just Damn.”
Wanna go have a beer?
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 3rd, 2012
1:44 pm
This has always been a GOP strategy…take your biggest weakness and try to turn it into your opponents weakness…in other words another case of smoke and mirrors….
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:45 pm
gop strategy:
We lie.
Talking Head
May 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Divisivness? Why not go after him on his record? Dude is a clown.
Simple Truths
May 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Here are the titles Jay did not use for this post:
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Republicans
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on the Tea Party
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Wall Street
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Fox News
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on talk radio
Right, Jay. The Republicans are almost entirely to blame. It is almost entirely their own creation. The Democrats have done no blaming…
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm
Thulsa is so full of “GOP fervor”, I bet his eyes are brown..”lib manufactured “war on women”, I ask you….Libs aren’t closing womens health clinics and making Federally legal abortions harder to get now are they?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
1:49 pm
Jay — “Under the rubric of “taking our country back,” they have challenged his status as an American, they have impugned his faith and they have even questioned his loyalty and patriotism.”
They don’t do it just to the President; they also do it to any Republican (whether leader or individual voter) who dares to step out of line by asking the wrong questions.
One jackass told me “you ain’t no veteran no more” because I had the temerity to display a “Veterans for Kerry” bumper sticker on my car. Silly me; I figured my DD 214 made me a veteran, not my voting record.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 3rd, 2012
1:49 pm
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Republicans
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on the Tea Party
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Wall Street
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Fox News
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on talk radio
Hmmmmm, sounds like the truth to me…
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:49 pm
We Independents think being lied to is being disrespected.
An insult to our intelligence.
Their strategy to just lie will never work for us.
Fred ™
May 3rd, 2012
1:49 pm
Normal: I missed your question from downstairs. I had posted it but I’ll post it again lol. Der Bier Garten. Now I’m on my way to E48th street market.
http://www.derbiergarten.com/
Logical Dude
May 3rd, 2012
1:49 pm
I’m shocked SHOCKED!!!! that there is gambling going on in this establishment!!
(here are your winnings sir)
Thank you.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm
Fred I guess we just keep on amusing each other. Rain check on the beer.
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm
GOP was the same way when Clinton was president. Spent forty million trying to dig up something that they could use to impeach him.
Problem Obama is a democract, made worse that he is biracial.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
1:51 pm
I guess you guess slept thru the last decade when it was nothing but Bush bashing 24/7. I guess the “great uniter” needs to get in the back of the bus.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim, the Republican Party hopes to blame the whole mess all on Obama.
EXACTLY.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
“Right, Jay. The Republicans are almost entirely to blame. It is almost entirely their own creation. The Democrats have done no blaming…”
While Jay’s article is mostly spot, you do have a point.
People that wear blinders make me sad.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
1:53 pm
Normal — “This has always been a GOP strategy…take your biggest weakness and try to turn it into your opponents weakness…”
That was one of Karl Rove’s signature plays. The GOP is still running that game, even though Rove’s not front-and-center in the GOP’s black ops unit any longer.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
May 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
Im confused as to how CONs try and flip this “war on women”…. they write bills every dayum month trying to RESTRICT a woman from making some type of choice. They run around advocating closing PP which is a clinic many women use.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
“We Independents”
Dude, getalife, stop. I’m laughing so hard my stomach is starting to hurt.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
oscar- GOP was the same way when Clinton was president. Spent forty million trying to dig up something that they could use to impeach him.
I guess that would have erased the deficit if they hadn’t done it. What exactly did Clinton get disbarred for?
MoveOn.org, nothing to see here.
Simple Truths
May 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
“While Jay’s article is mostly spot, you do have a point.
People that wear blinders make me sad.”
Peadawg, I guess Jay has a pretty good set of blinders.
Jay
May 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
Of course both sides engage in “blaming,” Simple. It’s standard, even necessary, in politics.
But “blaming” does not extend to implications that the president is trying to weaken his country, that he’s not really “one of us” and that any sort of compromise with him is itself an act of disloyalty.
That kind of thing is very new and very dangerous.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm
The republicans are blessed actually.
There is little or no devisiveness in what former President describes as the GOP base.
Remember?
The haves and the have mores.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm
Thanks pea.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
My brief take on divisiveness in general:
“You’re being divisive” arguments make the problem being discussed seem insignificant, effectively making it seem as though no problem exists or is just not worth dealing with. In this way, this argument mirrors “both sides do it” or “two wrongs make a right” arguments. As long as people make such arguments, sometimes to distract *deliberately*, no problems can be solved. The effect is to distract from the issue and put the people trying to solve a problem on the defensive.
And as such, by putting someone in a “you’re divisive” box, you are also effectively arguing a point, and putting yourself on the opposite side, thus being divisive yourself.
Bringing up problems and proposing solutions will necessarily involve a lot of discussion, even sometimes arguing and, yes, yelling. This is not inherently bad.
In many cases involving Obama and the Republicans, we are discussing obstruction and who is to blame for that – with the Republicans being the clear instigators as a rule, not the exception. We also see this play out regarding the War on Women and War on the Poor or Class Warfare. By making the “divisive” argument, you are also effectively arguing that no such problem exists, or is insignificant.
scott
May 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
bwahahahahahah. You don’t actually BELIEVE this garbage, do you Jay? It is almost entirely the Republicans fault we are a divided country? I guess when Obama asked all Republican Senators into the White House days after he was inaugurated and said “I won. You lost. Get over it.” that was done to bring the country together huh?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
1:57 pm
JKL — “I guess you guess slept thru the last decade when it was nothing but Bush bashing 24/7.”
How’s the search for those scary WMDs going?
It was 12 years between Desert Storm and Bush’s order to invade; y’all think you’re going to need longer than 12 years to find those WMDs? ‘Cause 2015’s coming up fast in the windshield.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
1:57 pm
Jay
May 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
But “blaming” does not extend to implications that the president is trying to weaken his country, that he’s not really “one of us” and that any sort of compromise with him is itself an act of disloyalty.
That kind of thing is very new and very dangerous.
OH PLEASE
Bush was demonized for 8 years and now for 3 1/2 more……. dont cry we didnt start it
both parties are babies
change your diapers
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
1:57 pm
“Peadawg, I guess Jay has a pretty good set of blinders.” – Yes he does. As does Thulsa, getalife, Granny, Talking Head, Kyle next door…I could go on and on.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
1:58 pm
The only thing that his opponents wanted from him was his surrender and then his disappearance. That was their price for “unity,” and now they want to blame him for refusing to pay it.
“We will take care of everything if you just hand power over to us.” – Hitler, paraphrased. Roman Empire, paraphrased. Ottoman Empire, paraphrased. Etc.
Janney
May 3rd, 2012
1:58 pm
“Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim”
Perfect analogy, Jay.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
1:59 pm
getalife- Their strategy to just lie will never work for us.
It’s worked for obama so far. Why would he want to change now?
Vote obama: Free money for everyone!
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:59 pm
I tried living in la la land but it was not for me.
Too many rabbit holes.
I like facts and living in the real world.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
1:59 pm
“Of course both sides engage in “blaming,” Simple. It’s standard, even necessary, in politics.
But ” Nanny nanny boo boo you’re side is worse. *sticks out tongue*. That’s what you really meant, right Jay?
No, thank you getalife. Your troll posts always give me a good laugh.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:59 pm
jk,
Please list the lies.
Thanks.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm
Talking Head: Divisivness? Why not go after him on his record?
Because Obama actually has a solid good record to run on, and only the people who live in a bubble and claim “Obama has no record to run on” believe otherwise.
Like I keep saying, good luck convincing independents of that. Also, good luck convincing them there’s no class warfare from the right and no war on women from the right. You’ll need it.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm
pea,
I think the blame game accomplishes nothing.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:01 pm
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:59 pm
So you switch from Republican to Democrat…yet claim to be “independent”. You give REAL independents a bad name.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm
“I think the blame game accomplishes nothing.” – So you just call out the Republicans? I missed where you called Jay out also.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm
JKL — “What exactly did Clinton get disbarred for?”
He didn’t. He surrendered his law license, and thus was not disbarred.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm
Thulsa Doom: Is the lib manufactured “war on women” not divisive?
Since it’s not a manufactured issue, and is based entirely on what the GOP on both the national and state level have done since they took over many areas in 2010, no. You see, it’s actually real. The GOP IS legislating AGAINST women, whether they intend it that way or not. And if the “War on Christmas” is a perfectly fine phrase to utter, then you have no leg to stand on when saying we shouldn’t use the term “war” when referring to this legislative and policy reality.
Joe
May 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm
So true! Jay you nailed this one. So true!
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm
pea,
I am a proud left leaning Independent that lives in the real world.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:03 pm
“no class warfare from the right” – There’s class warfare on BOTH sides, Adam, Talking Head, etc. Y’all would have to take your blinders off to see though.
kayaker 71
May 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
If Bozo had anything else to run on, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But when your record is so bad and not expected to get any better before November, you become desperate. Situations are contrived, the Occuturds are endorsed by liberal America, the 1%ers all of a sudden are evil, even though they pay the lion’s share of federal income tax in this country and white working America is written off. That’s all this clown has…… nothing more. Unemployment still above 8%, foreclosures at an all time high, more homes under water than at any time in our history, millions still out of work. What else do you have except divide and conquer?
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
May 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
Funny how ANYTHING thats wrong or happens in this country is Obama’s fault according to Repubs, yet ANYTHING good is not because of Obama…lol.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
“I am a proud left leaning Independent that lives in the real world.”
If I knew how to mark through a word, I’d mark out “independent” and put “Democrat” and say “fixed your typo”.
You’re not fooling anyone.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
Poor peadawg!
The only one not issued blinders.
MAyhaps he needs them not.
AS he does not truly see anyway.
(Unless of course, he’s already got what he wants)
I suggest he change his name to MEdawg.
ty webb
May 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm
flinging poo at poo flingers.
Talking Head
May 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
“Because Obama actually has a solid good record to run on, and only the people who live in a bubble and claim “Obama has no record to run on” believe otherwise.”
Oh, like promising to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term? Or promising his administration would the most transparent and he would shoulder the responsibility instead of blaming others? Or that $5+ trillion debt that’s been added since he was sworn in?
Like I said, the dude is a clown.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
May 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
“If Bozo had anything else to run on, we wouldn’t be having this discussion”
Thats the whole reason YALL are even having the discussion.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
“Why not go after him on his record?”
Talkin’ Mitt are we?
We are gonna’ chase ole’ Mitt every day on his…..the one he is already running away from.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
May 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
That post is as incoherent as you can get. Go take your meds.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:07 pm
K71 — “If Bozo had anything else to run on, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.”
If *Romney* had anything to run on, you wouldn’t be talking about Obama.
“What else do you have except divide and conquer?”
Oh, I see. That explains why the GOP’s using it; that’s all they have.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
May 3rd, 2012
2:07 pm
Let’s hope the Jobs number is good news tomorrow morning. I am off to fight the weeds in my back yard. They are without question laughing at me and winning the war.
Anybody have a Goat I can borrow?
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
2:08 pm
pea,
I attack the dems for being weak on corruption.
They tend to stab the President in the back.
They don’t march lock step and ask questions.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:09 pm
Peadawg: There’s class warfare on BOTH sides, Adam, Talking Head, etc. Y’all would have to take your blinders off to see though.
Your point is only true in the smallest sense of the fact that two sides have to fight for there to be warfare. Right now, I’m with Warren Buffett on the description, but I will say it more tamely. The rich and special interests have more power in the fight, and they have won. The peons fight back, and suddenly they act helpless and they have an entire party (the GOP) willing to perpetuate the message that the rich and special interests are completely innocent and being attacked for no reason.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:09 pm
Talking Head- a President can promise many things but if is dealing with an obstructionist Congress, like we have now, forget it.
Go back and see what Bush promised and see what got accomplished. Expensive/failed/pointless wars.
Jefferson
May 3rd, 2012
2:09 pm
The GOP is a catchy phrase folks, much akin to a sbd fart, no substance and it stinks.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
2:10 pm
pea,
You are a con pretending not to be a con.
You are not fooling anyone.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:11 pm
T. Head — “Oh, like promising to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term?”
Bush Administration: ‘Iraq’s oil revenues will pay for the war.’
“Or promising his administration would the most transparent and he would shoulder the responsibility instead of blaming others?”
Bush Administration: ‘School curriculums will be based on sound scientific principles.’ Then came creationism and abstinence.
“Or that $5+ trillion debt that’s been added since he was sworn in?”
Bush Administration: Added $4.7T to the public debt despite an expanding economy for most of his term.
Spare me your poutrage. If you were upset about those things, then you should have started pointing fingers and shrieking a LONG time before now.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 3rd, 2012
2:11 pm
MEDAWG
can’t, your mama hasn’t come by with the stuff today….
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:11 pm
Talking Head: Oh, like promising to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term? Or promising his administration would the most transparent and he would shoulder the responsibility instead of blaming others? Or that $5+ trillion debt that’s been added since he was sworn in?
Try Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, Health care reforms, wall street reforms, broadband access in rural areas, stimulus that helped with some infrastructure and other things, etc etc etc.
As for transparency, why don’t you tell me how you know for sure that the administration is using drones? Or how you know what the stimulus money is spent on? Is it because of investigative reporting that dug it all up, or is it because they’ve been putting it out there for all to see?
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:11 pm
“I attack the dems for being weak on corruption.” – proof please
Adam @ 2:09 – My point is true, period. GOP fights for the rich while Democrats fight for the poor. It just depends on what war you agree with.
Talking Head
May 3rd, 2012
2:13 pm
“Talking Head- a President can promise many things but if is dealing with an obstructionist Congress, like we have now, forget it.
Go back and see what Bush promised and see what got accomplished. Expensive/failed/pointless wars.”
2 things:
1. In his first 2 years he didn’t have an ‘obstrunctionist Congress’ and did whatever he wanted
2. Bush hasn’t been President the last 3.5 years
Terrence
May 3rd, 2012
2:13 pm
When and where did it all begin?
Jan. 24, 2009: Obama to GOP: ‘I won’
President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning – but he also left no doubt about who’s in charge of these negotiations. “I won,” Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.
The exchange arose as top House and Senate Republicans expressed concern to the president about the amount of spending in the package. They also raised red flags about a refundable tax credit that returns money to those who don’t pay income taxes, the sources said.
The Republicans stressed that they want to include more middle class tax cuts in the package, citing their proposal to cut the two lowest tax rates — 15 percent and 10 percent — to ten percent and five percent, rather than issue the refundable credit Obama wants.
After Friday’s meeting, Democratic and Republican leaders publicly wrangled over the developing stimulus plan.
But perhaps taking a cue from Obama’s “I won” line when Democrats were asked if they were concerned about Republicans blocking the package, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had a swift one-word answer: “No.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the bill was on track for passage by February 16, while Republicans continued to voice their opposition.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:15 pm
Peadawg: You’re being divisive
Seriously though, you’re drawing an equivalence between fighting for the poor or fighting for the rich? The proposals to help the rich hurt the poor far more than any proposals that have been put forth to help the poor. The battle is one sided no matter which way you look at it in evidence.
Just saying..
May 3rd, 2012
2:16 pm
“…the president is trying to weaken his country, that he’s not really ‘one of us’”
Oh, my.
So that’s what Marxist means…?
‘
Talking Head
May 3rd, 2012
2:16 pm
Joe @ 2:11,
Seriously? That’s how you respond with …but but but BUSH!
Basically you’re saying that Obama is worse than Bush. We all know Bush was a disaster, and Obama continues to do the same things, except at a much larger and faster rate (ie the debt added by Bush was 4.7T in 8 years, and debt added by Obama is 5+T in 3.5 years)
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:17 pm
“Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim, the Republican Party hopes to blame the whole mess all on Obama.”
Some people might construe such an analogy, falling short of calling them Nazis but irresponsibly emotionally charged with emotion, as rather divisive. Ever think of that?
“The truth is, Obama infuriates the Republicans simply by waking up as president each morning.”
And you know this how? Where did you buy your crystal ball? Or are you able to channel the dead? I don’t wake up infuriated, but hey…don’t let me slow you down.
“Under the rubric of “taking our country back,” they have challenged his status as an American, they have impugned his faith and they have even questioned his loyalty and patriotism.”
Wow..sounds a lot like some of the Democratic attacks on GWB (notice, unlike you, I qualified my statement by the use of the word “some”). You DO remember them, right? Care to pint me to a column or two of your upbraiding your fellow party members for such “abusive” behavior? Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be a whole lot better if people in both parties stuck to what and how they planned to make things better than to attack each other like children. But for you to get all up in arms here seems to be very much like the partisan politics you condemn.
“From the very beginning, they have pursued a conscious strategy of refusing to compromise in any way whatsoever, to the point that they have purged any in their own camp who dare to even suggest such a course.”
To the extent that is true, it is regrettable. But again, the same may be said of Democrats in both houses over the past ten or so years. Without even a single sentence acknowledging this, you are being hypocritically partisan. I wonder if you even see that.
“There is no better illustration of that dynamic than what happened with the health-care debate.”
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this. Having forty plus uninsured Americans is a big problem, along with costs increasing at almost an exponential rate. But I don’t think the solution in the current legislation is quite the answer. THAT is the problem, in my view. I give Obama credit for really trying to do something about it, but criticism for the solution and how it was conceived. I am truly surprised at you, Jay. Government seldom effects or manages things well; your faith in it is striking for someone as knowledgeable as you.
“Instead, he embraced an approach that had been pioneered by a Republican governor in Massachusetts…”
For a particular state, and NOT the federal government. There is a considerable difference, in case you didn’t know.
“…that had been championed for almost a decade by a former Republican speaker of the House from Georgia…”
I am sorry, but for you to cite this as support for your contention in the same column you are say his leaving the presidential race makes things less weird verges on the ridiculous: “I loathe Newt Gingrich, but I will make reference to some of his ideas if it can help me make an argument (though I have trashed him and his ideas in almost every column – and they are many – I have written about him)”.
“…and that had been created by the most important conservative think tank in Washington…”.
So NOW the Heritage Foundation has relevance. I see. They are a bunch of nuts, their ideas are crazy but I nonetheless support the legislation based upon some of them. I get it.
“Even then, it took Obama a while to come to the realization that no matter what he did, there would be no compromise.”
Of course I am still waiting you or his administration to provide proof that he was, for example, truly willing to compromise on a deficit deal – you know, not just some verbal assurances (can you list how many campaign “promises” he has broken – starting with “transparency”?). Boehner claims he changed the deal at the last moment and that is why it fell through. Either he is lying, or Obama is lying or they both are. But they can’t both be telling the truth. Or maybe by unity, you mean him jumping feet first into the Trayvon Martin case, saying that is he had had a son he would have looked like him (though, in fact, because he has substantial white DNA, that may not be necessarily true). But hey…that was just to unify us, right?
Nuff said.
Mamouian
May 3rd, 2012
2:18 pm
Jay, the president is trying to weaken the country by throwing up trip wires to make it hard for business to succeed. He does not like the free market capitalism and has said as such in so many words. I’m sure you are familiar with the many statements he’s made to corroborate that, so I won’t waste my time on youtube when I have work to do in minutes.
And, the blaming… no one has taken it to such an extreme that I can recall. Blaming his predecessor ad infinitum, blaming natural disasters here and abroad, blaming ATMs (which have been around since the early 80s at least) and on and on. They should consider making it an olympic sport, so he could take the gold medal. It would mean more than that Nobel.
To Republicans and many Independents, it would certainly be a disloyalty to their constituents.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:18 pm
Talking Head: 1. In his first 2 years he didn’t have an ‘obstrunctionist Congress’ and did whatever he wanted
Incorrect. And don’t play dumb that you don’t know the reasons why this is incorrect. I’m not the only one who has had to school you or others on this.
2. Bush hasn’t been President the last 3.5 years
WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE! In other words, don’t talk about the previous President because that hurts your argument! It doesn’t matter if he hasn’t been President for a few years. History didn’t start 3.5 years ago, and the effects of previous administrations going as far back as Washington are still being felt. So don’t give me that “OMG STOP TALKING ABOUT THAT” nonsense.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:18 pm
“you’re drawing an equivalence between fighting for the poor or fighting for the rich?” – Yeah b/c that’s exactly what it it. It just depends on which side/war you agree with. Personally, I side w/ the Democrats on this issue (seeing as I’m nowhere near $250k a year) even though I can’t stand the man that’s leading.
F. Sinkwich
May 3rd, 2012
2:18 pm
“Obama found himself condemned as a socialist who was out to undermine the foundation of American society”
He got outed to those not paying much attention to anything except Hope & Change posters.
Let us hypothetically posit an individual who declares his intention to burn your house down.
Would not your first inclination be to hope he fails?
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:19 pm
“My God that is funny. Is the lib manufactured “war on women” not divisive?”
No, TD. Liberals and Democrats are allowed double standards, don’t you know? Stop complaining, will you?
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 3rd, 2012
2:19 pm
JAY,
Pity party. His comments pitting class versus class and suggesting to now-turned-violent 99%’ers to taking the low road relative to popping off on that white shoots black incident in Florida (too bad he couldn’t sympathize and recommend to the public that a man is innocent until proven guilty like a true leader)suggest his only game is divisiveness…He pushed a HC bill that 60% of us didn’t want and low balled the cost at that…what say you?
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:20 pm
Towncrier: Some people might construe such an analogy, falling short of calling them Nazis but irresponsibly emotionally charged with emotion, as rather divisive. Ever think of that?
In other words, don’t say anything divisive, ever, and everything will be all well because the Republicans will surely learn by your example and stop being divisive themselves.
Sorry, the days of the Democrats playing by different rules than the Republicans are OVER. Get over it.
JF McNamara
May 3rd, 2012
2:20 pm
You should have Kyle read this. He’s bad about this.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:20 pm
T. Head — “2 things:”
“1. In his first 2 years he didn’t have an ‘obstrunctionist Congress’ and did whatever he wanted”
Republican Fairy Tale. Obama never had the supermajority that would have allowed him to do “whatever he wanted.”
“2. Bush hasn’t been President the last 3.5 years”
Which begs the question of why it took you so long to get upset about Presidents adding to the deficit and not being as transparent as you’d like. You’re clearly willing to give Republicans a pass when they do the same sorts of things as Democrats do — but you’re mightily offended when Democrats do them.
Michael
May 3rd, 2012
2:20 pm
I can still see McConnell and Demint saying we are going to work hard at making him fail almost 4 years ago. What a strategy! They will eat their words again hopefully.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:21 pm
Talking Head- We did not have a super majority in the
Senate. Conservatives opposing the Public Option (senate) is a great example. We did push some things through and then lost the Senate. It’s all about Congress, and the Tea Party made it impossible to push a true progressive agenda, hence we only got a few things through. I have a decent memory – apparently you do not.
And yes, we inherited the worst recession since the Great Depression. I see you forget that too. And you forget that the GOP control government for most of Bush’s 2 previous terms.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:21 pm
“Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim, the Republican Party hopes to blame the whole mess all on Obama. EXACTLY.”
At least, Adam, Jay refrained from calling them Hitlers. I mean, alcoholic and abusive men are not so bad, huh?
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
May 3rd, 2012
2:22 pm
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:17 pm
Tell us 2 things the GOP doesnt criticize the Prez about?
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:22 pm
“Sorry, the days of the Democrats playing by different rules than the Republicans are OVER. Get over it.”
Get thee to a schoolery.
Lord Help Us
May 3rd, 2012
2:22 pm
It looks like the cons want a third Bush term.
Question for cons: What is the difference between Bush Policy and Romney Policy?
Talking Head
May 3rd, 2012
2:22 pm
Obama, the buck stops with some other guy and it’s not my fault President.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:23 pm
“Spare me your poutrage. If you were upset about those things, then you should have started pointing fingers and shrieking a LONG time before now.”
My point to Jay and you and other liberals here exactly. Thanks for that.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:24 pm
T. Head — “Seriously? That’s how you respond with …but but but BUSH!”
Nope. I’m pointing out that you’re a hypocrite, and you’ve generously proven it here today. When Bush does it, you’re fine with it. When Obama does it, it’s the end of the freaking world to you.
I didn’t *complain* about Bush. I just pointed out that he’d done the SAME SORT OF THINGS as Obama has. And like the sucker you are, you decided I was *defending* Obama. So go ahead, Champ. Show me where in there I *defended* Obama.
“Basically you’re saying that Obama is worse than Bush.”
Nope. I’m saying *you’re* a hypocrite.
“We all know Bush was a disaster, and Obama continues to do the same things, except at a much larger and faster rate (ie the debt added by Bush was 4.7T in 8 years, and debt added by Obama is 5+T in 3.5 years)”
Bush had an expanding economy for 2/3 of his term. Obama had much less to work with. You’d *expect* a President with an expanding economy to do better. I really can’t believe I have to explain that to you.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
2:24 pm
“that he’s not really “one of us””- Jay
Funny that you should say that Jay. Reminds me of Dems implying that Romney is “not one of us” due to his wealth and status as a 1%er.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:24 pm
Towncrier: At least, Adam, Jay refrained from calling them Hitlers. I mean, alcoholic and abusive men are not so bad, huh?
Alcoholic and abusive men, empires that seek to impose their will on others, fit in well with a basic concept of Psychosis and Psychological Projection. If you can convince me that you, and everyone else who regularly vilifies Democrats, understand what those two terms mean, then I’ll start using them to more accurately describe Republicans of the 2008-2012 era.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:25 pm
“Tell us 2 things the GOP doesnt criticize the Prez about?”
If you first tell me two things the Democrats didn’t criticize GWB about. That’s fair, wouldn’t you say?
Mary Elizabeth
May 3rd, 2012
2:25 pm
I just posted the following on Maureen Downey’s blog. It is pertinent here because one must consider the history of who is making such a blatant statement as “Obama is divisive.” That volatile line is being used as current day Republican propaganda to sway the minds of those who do not look at the history of those who perpetuate such propaganda. Below is a brief history of today’s Republican Party’s roots. I believe readers will be able to connect the dots.
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“Do you think that Georgia’s Republican leaders will care about whether this ‘charter flight’ possibility might resegregate Georgia, this time by class and wealth? I hardly think so because, after all, Ronald Reagan, the revered leader of the Republican Party, kicked off his candidacy for President of the U.S. from Philadelphia, Mississippi (the place of the murders of three civil rights workers in 1964), in a blatant attempt to woo those who saw people in terms of race and hierarchial status, instead of in terms of our common humanity, an egalitarian concept. Reagan said in his speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, in 1980, ‘I believe in states’ rights.’ That phrase was a code for supporting a segregated society – at that time and place, especially.
Societies – and schools – can be segregated in many ways, not simply by race, and that segregation creates a consciousness of division rather than of unity among all people.”
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That “consciousness of division” was strongly reinforced in 1980 by the iconic leader of the current day Republican Party, not President Obama. One must consider the history of the Republican Party to determine if the statement, “Obama is divisive,” is true or not. It is not true. It is blatant propaganda. In fact, the reverse is true. The roots of the division in our nation have been ingrained for decades, and the current Republican Party has done little to reduce it – it has, in fact, perpetuated that division.
BobC
May 3rd, 2012
2:26 pm
I’m in my 50’s now, and I’ve never seen so much divisiveness before as I do now from the GOP. Even when Obama supports something the GOP supports, they change their minds and decide to support something else just so they can be at odds with him. And then Obama did the one thing that nobody could fault him for…. getting rid of Bin Lauden. And the result is that the GOP is indignant that he mentions that as one of his accomplishments. If they can’t criticize him for doing it, then they’ll criticize him for talking about it. I guess when you’re a party that hates women, non-whites, non-Christians, gays, and anyone else that’s not upper-middle-class white heterosexual evangelical males, the only thing you could do is make the other guy seem even worse.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
2:26 pm
getalife- list the lies
“Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim”. Which party is in power?
Lord Help Us
May 3rd, 2012
2:27 pm
Dems didn’t criticize Bush’s invasion of Afghanistan or formation of the DHS.
Your turn
Jefferson
May 3rd, 2012
2:27 pm
Defense mechanisms is all the GOP is about.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:27 pm
Towncrier — “My point to Jay and you and other liberals here exactly. Thanks for that.”
And here’s my point to you.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/01/at-georgia-legislature-a-test-of-ethics/?cp=4#comment-942764
When you’re ready to shift out of neutral, you let me know.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:27 pm
Towncrier: If you first tell me two things the Democrats didn’t criticize GWB about.
Getting Saddam (When everyone believed there were WMDs)
Going after the Taliban and bin Laden.
Your turn.
hewhoasks
May 3rd, 2012
2:28 pm
“Hmmmmm, sounds like the truth to me…”
To me, also. But there are some for whom it is mild understatement to say they are immune to truth.
godless heathen
May 3rd, 2012
2:28 pm
If the Republicans would just do everything that the Dems want, there wouldn’t be a division in the country. Jeez.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:29 pm
BobC: well said.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:30 pm
If the Democrats would just do everything that the Reps want, there wouldn’t be a division in the country. Jeez.
FYT
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
2:30 pm
joe mama- How’s the search for those scary WMDs going?
Great if you’re Syrian.
Terrence
May 3rd, 2012
2:30 pm
Before the midterms.
In a radio interview that aired on Univision on Monday, Mr. Obama sought to assure Hispanics that he would push an immigration overhaul after the midterm elections, even though he has not been able to attract Republican support.
“If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re going to punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s going to be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”
Friends and enemies? Way to bring people together, prezBO.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
2:32 pm
getalife- I like facts and living in the real world.
bwahahahahahaha
obamaland called. They want their idiot back.
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
2:33 pm
Nice breakdown, Mr. Bookman!
I wish the President would have realized sooner that there was no point in attempting further compromise. Those of us who were hoping for the types of solutions discussed in the campaign are disappointed that so much was compromised in the interest of compromise.
I can see how he made that mistake, though. No one wants to believe that the people who mock, obstruct, lie, and threaten are truly that hateful. It’s a natural human reaction to think, “He didn’t really mean those nasty things he just said! I have done nothing to him to deserve this!”
But alas. Human nature IS much worse than we want to believe. (If he’d only read this blog, he’d have known there is no point trying to meet some people half way.) I hope he learns from that mistake and goes forward in his second term without trying to appease the haters. Call ‘em out for what they are, I say, and let ‘em choke on it.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:33 pm
Terrence, know your voting base. Why would he piss off the growing population of Latinos who generally vote Democratic? duh
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:33 pm
“And then Obama did the one thing that nobody could fault him for…. getting rid of Bin Lauden. And the result is that the GOP is indignant that he mentions that as one of his accomplishments.”
Well, there, buddy…I think a whole lot of people say that as crassly opportunistic in an election year. That’s the problem. In the realm of world villians in history, I am afraid Bin Laden probably doesn’t make the top 1000 list.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
2:34 pm
joe mama- He didn’t. He surrendered his law license, and thus was not disbarred
Flight to avoid prosecution. Very nice. Reminds me of his war record.
Mary Elizabeth
May 3rd, 2012
2:34 pm
SPECIAL COMMENT to TOWNCRIER:
I just noticed, this morning, your blatant insult to me of last evening. Here is my response:
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Towncrier to Mary Elizabeth on May 2: “You are probably the most dreamy poster on this blog, Mary – it almost seems like you are in a trance. We need to get you a ticket to Detroit . . .Your fairy tale would have come true.”
=============================================
Towncrier, I would remind you that on May 1 you wrote: “. . is that how you resolve the conflict, by name calling? I guess that will persuade some but not all that many.”
You were right in your assessment regarding name calling, but you were wrong in your assessment of me. I responded to your post, with much detail, at the end of the ‘Swiss Knife” thread – so you might want to read all of my remarks, there.
Here are a few of my last words:
‘You need to read more Paul Krugman, Towncrier, and know what is really going on. I think you are the one in a dream world of propaganda. Those powerful ones deliberately ran up our deficit in the 2000s so that now we have so much debt and they banked on the fact that people like you would only see the surface and not catch on to what is really going on. You have been manipulated and you don’t even know it.
You are fighting the wrong battles and the wrong people. Look higher to wealth, power and the greed philosophy that has permeated the American psyche for 40 years. There is your problem. And the downfall of the 2000s financially is what was their crowning glory of their self-centered philosophy and of a greed gone wild.
And thanks for the personal insults. My opinion of you is that you just don’t look deeply enough to really ‘get it.’ “
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:35 pm
JKL2 — “Great if you’re Syrian.”
Evidence?
No, just another Republican Fairy Tale.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
2:36 pm
Allright cons, Lets take a vote here. Which of Adam’s 2 loony statements is more comical? The proposition that the Rs really do have a “war on women” going on ooooooor the idea that O actually has a good record to run on. Both are pretty hilarious
“Because Obama actually has a solid good record to run on, and only the people who live in a bubble and claim “Obama has no record to run on” believe otherwise.”-Adam
Yes. Of course Adam. 5 trillion in debt in just over 3 years and a horrific 1.7% economic growth rate last year and downgraded growth projjections for the rest of 2012 to 2%. And then there is the matter of a record 38 straight months with unemployment above 8%. You’re a funny guy Adam.
“Thulsa Doom: Is the lib manufactured “war on women” not divisive?
Since it’s not a manufactured issue, and is based entirely on what the GOP on both the national and state level have done since they took over many areas in 2010, no. You see, it’s actually real.”- Adam
So pro-life legislation and the idea that a religious institution shouldn’t have to pay for birth control against its doctrine now constitutes a “war on women”. Sure buddy. Sure.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm
Towncrier — “I think a whole lot of people say that as crassly opportunistic in an election year.”
Considering how hard the Republican candidates were flogging 9/11 in 2008, one wonders if you voted Republican and how you managed to square that vote with your statement above.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm
Towncrier: Well, there, buddy…I think a whole lot of people say that as crassly opportunistic in an election year.
And just how opportunistic is that versus “We are going to get hit again if you don’t re-elect us”? Hmm?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm
joe mama- If you were upset about those things, then you should have started pointing fingers and shrieking a LONG time before now.
Like 2006 when the Democrats took control of congress!
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
1:49 pm
We Independents think being lied to is being disrespected.
An insult to our intelligence.
___________________________________________________________
How would you know what independent’s think?
You are not independent.
Divider
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm
we need to ask France to borrow the figurative guillotine so we can take all the diehard democrats and republicans and CLEANSE this country with our own national razor, then get to work solving our problems
bob
May 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm
I won, elections have consequences !
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:38 pm
Thulsa Doom, do you blame Obama for the falling unemploymeint rate, the improving job #s report out today, and the rising stock market too? What about the tanking of terrorism and Osama gone? Khadafi gone? The ending of the 3 trillion dollar wars? Do you fault him for all of this? LOL
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:39 pm
“Your turn.”
Getting Bin Laden and going after terrorists with drone attacks. See the resemblance in our lists? Funny…not many criticize going after an enemy, huh?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:39 pm
JKL — “Flight to avoid prosecution.”
He was BEING prosecuted when he surrendered his law license. Don’t you ever READ?
“Very nice. Reminds me of his war record.”
I forget . . . how many members of the Romney family have served in the military?
Logical Dude
May 3rd, 2012
2:39 pm
Towncrier: If you first tell me two things the Democrats didn’t criticize GWB about.
His Immigration policy (although Republicans denounced him for it)
His unification speech after 9/11.
I think I missed your responses (if any) to name any TWO things that Republicans have praised Obama about. Can you do that?
Thanks!
Libertarian
May 3rd, 2012
2:39 pm
I think this is a matter of opinion and I disagree with you Jay. Obama is the one who has the biggest spotlight in America and he is divisive. Aside from all his “1%” “millionaires and billionaires” “over $250,000″ “warren buffet’s secretary” rhetoric…I also think his comments on the Trayvon Martin case were racially divisive….saying Trayvon “looks like him.” Give me a break. Like we need to throw more fuel on the racial fire in this country.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
May 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm
now this is the rare advantage of having no gene for shame,
embarrassment, or irony. You can say stuff like the above
with a straight face.
This, again, is a psychological divide, not a political one, between
two sociological philosophies – 1) yer on yer own, its ever man fer himself
and 2) We’re all in this Together. One of these sociologies must win, and
the other one must be utterly destroyed and left in the past, like ancient
pyramids, temples & dinosaur fossils. We’re watching it change over
right now, however slowly. It’s a great time in history to be alive.
Most of the civilized countries of the world has already changed over,
only the banana republics like Haiti, Somalia and the US remain.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm
“Towncrier: Well, there, buddy…I think a whole lot of people say that as crassly opportunistic in an election year.
And just how opportunistic is that versus “We are going to get hit again if you don’t re-elect us”? Hmm?”
I will take that as a concession of my original point.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm
JKL — “Like 2006 when the Democrats took control of congress!”
How about in 2003, when we DIDN’T find the WMD within a few months of the invasion?
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:41 pm
Thulsa: So pro-life legislation and the idea that a religious institution shouldn’t have to pay for birth control against its doctrine now constitutes a “war on women”. Sure buddy. Sure.
No, there’s a big long list of reasons that is much MUCH longer than that, and of course much longer than I wrote here:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/21/for-romney-winning-ugly-is-still-winning/?cp=2#comment-900860
And much longer than I wrote here:
http://www.leftrazoredge.com/2012/03/05/rush-and-the-war-on-women/
You see, it can’t just be encapsulated by a few examples. T hat is why it has traction, because it is an ONGOING and CONTINUOUS string of laws and policy platforms that all disproportionately hurt women.
I also find it quite telling that you only ask cons to help you determine if my statements are hilarious. Why don’t you try asking some independents? Real ones, mind you.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:42 pm
U. Samantha — “we need to ask France to borrow the figurative guillotine so we can take all the diehard democrats and republicans and CLEANSE this country with our own national razor, then get to work solving our problems”
Absolutely reprehensible.
I don’t agree with you and I don’t particularly like you, but I certainly don’t want to see you killed because of it.
You should be ashamed of yourself. You’re not fit for polite company.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:42 pm
““Very nice. Reminds me of his war record.”
I forget . . . how many members of the Romney family have served in the military?”
Serving in a branch of the military should be a qualification for the presidency, senate, and the house imo if they are going to have say in sending soldiers into war.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:42 pm
Towncrier: If your point was that it is opportunistic, fine, it is opportunistic. But it’s perfectly justified. Trying to make people fear another attack if we don’t re-elect someone? That is opportunistic and completely UNjustified.
Don't Tread
May 3rd, 2012
2:43 pm
“the fact that the divisiveness is almost entirely their own creation”
Really? Here’s a couple of drops in the bucket.
What other sitting president has referred to other Americans as “our enemies” in a campaign speech? Then there’s the “bitter clingers” comment before he was even elected. But I suppose that wasn’t divisive, either.
These are just a couple of examples. Obama’s reputation as a “divider” has been thoroughly earned.
The divisiveness went into high gear with the left’s Bush-bashing, and lately, Reagan-bashing. But I suppose that’s the Republicans’ fault, too.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:43 pm
I want to see Romney’s birth certificate, and his pastor isn’t a Christian!!!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:43 pm
Towncrier — “I will take that as a concession of my original point.”
Actually, you just conceded your point, not the other way around.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 3rd, 2012
2:44 pm
Obama is clearly divisive…How many times has he spewed “the rich arent’ paying their fair share”? Enough to get kids in Oakland and Seattle to go violent. I do like his end zone dance regarding OBL…kudos that he got him but….also, i saw his extemporaneous comments to the troops and he needs to stick with teleprompter.
To break the tie, I propose that we have had 2 of the worst presidencies since….Carter brought up the rear…Bush then President Trillion…one wanted to bomb his way to herodom..the other spend his way….we are doomed.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
2:45 pm
“and the idea that a religious institution shouldn’t have to pay for birth control against its doctrine ”
Funny lament, since the “institutuion” in question was not a religious institution and it ALREADY pays for birth control for it’s staff.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 3rd, 2012
2:46 pm
Romneys spiritual clan does believe the garden of eden is in Missouri…what’s worse, being a disciple of Reverend Wright or the wizard..
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:46 pm
Towncrier: Getting Bin Laden and going after terrorists with drone attacks
On bin Laden, survey SAAAAAYYYYS….
XXXXXXXXX!
See, Republicans came out IMMEDIATELY to suggest that Obama does not deserve credit, that Bush does. That is critical of Obama by deflecting the praise.
So far, I haven’t seen the Republicans complain about the drone attacks. It’s about the only thing I can think of that they haven’t complained about directly, though they still criticize Obama for his “foreign policy” under which drone attacks fall. So I give you credit for that one. Can you name another to bring it up to 2?
Terrence
May 3rd, 2012
2:47 pm
Steve, was inferring that the GOP were their enemies essential to improve his standing with immigrants? He has yet to deliver them from “bondage.” In fact, there are fewer illegals to deliver. They have all left due his failing economic policies. Life looks better in Mexico.
Thomas
May 3rd, 2012
2:47 pm
Embarrassing article for AJC, Bookman, and those who are not smart enough to realize other people have opinions.
God help the country with this kind of BS being spewed.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
2:47 pm
“So far, I haven’t seen the Republicans complain about the drone attacks”
But does “not complaing” count as praising?
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
2:47 pm
Re: the War on Women,
Just because some ego-bloated he-man tells me there’s no war on women, does not mean I won’t stomp him shizzless.
Guess what, Fellas! War has been declared. To quote former President George W. Bush: “You’re either with us, or against us.” Choose carefully, Gentlemen.
IT’S ON.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
2:47 pm
joe mama- He was BEING prosecuted when he surrendered his law license. Don’t you ever READ?
Admitted guilt and forfeiture of property. For being “mr security clearance” I find it hard to believe you missed that one.
I forget . . . how many members of the Romney family have served in the military
Don’t know, could care less. Google away. The topic was “Clinton draft dodging and badmouthing America on foreign soil”.
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
2:48 pm
The divide between rich and poor has been there a long time. It’s probably never going away. Talking about how to reduce the divide does not make it worse, it just brings it out into the open.
We are right up there with Russia and China among the top five in discrepancy in wealth and income in nations. That is not a fact that can be disputed.
And Obama didn’t caure it. It’s been growing for at least fifty years for a number of reason.
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
2:48 pm
Jay
May 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
Of course both sides engage in “blaming,” Simple. It’s standard, even necessary, in politics.
But “blaming” does not extend to implications that the president is trying to weaken his country, that he’s not really “one of us” and that any sort of compromise with him is itself an act of disloyalty.
That kind of thing is very new and very dangerous.
___________________________________________________________________
But accusing Bush of:
Allowing/planning 9/11
Allowing/planning the failure of the levees in NO during Katrina
Starting 2 wars for oil or to enrich Haliburton
Stealing an 2 elections
That’s NOT dangerous
Bottom line tactic: Pit MY side against YOUR side.
And America loses.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:48 pm
Peadawg — “Serving in a branch of the military should be a qualification for the presidency, senate, and the house imo if they are going to have say in sending soldiers into war.”
Back during the 2008 campaign, someone asked Romney (don’t recall if it was a reporter or a citizen at a campaign appearance) if any of his boys were or planned to enlist and serve in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Romney said that his sons were fulfilling their national service obligation by helping their dad get elected President.
I threw up in my mouth a little, and any respect I had for the man evaporated at that point.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
2:48 pm
joe hussein mama
you are ignorant
reread what i wrote
fig·ur·a·tive/Adjective: 1.Departing from a literal use of words; metaphorical.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:49 pm
Doggone: But does “not complaing” count as praising?
No. However, all that is being asked for is two things that the right has not *criticized* Obama for. I was tempted to only give half credit for naming drone attacks since they constantly criticize him for foreign policy, but eh.
mm
May 3rd, 2012
2:49 pm
As I said the other day, they did this to Clinton, and they did this to Carter. It’s gotten exponentially worse through the years
This election will be a landslide for Obama. But let’s let the wingnuts continue to suck on the kool aid teet.
This independant is fed up with the cons, as are many other Americans, including democrats and sensible republicans.
“If I knew how to mark through a word, I’d mark out “independent” and put “Democrat” and say “fixed your typo”.
You’re not fooling anyone.”
Typical rightwing mindset. They court the independant vote, but if the independant votes for a democrat, they are labeled a liberal.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
2:50 pm
“Bush had an expanding economy for 2/3 of his term. Obama had much less to work with. You’d *expect* a President with an expanding economy to do better. I really can’t believe I have to explain that to you”
Joe Mama,
And I can’t believe I have to explain to you that O has had an expanding economy for more than 2/3 of his term. The recession ended in June of 2009. That means 34 months of non recession months vs 6 months of an ending recession. That means that for 85% of Obama’s presidency that we were not in economic recession. The excuse window is now open for the dismal economic performance under O post recession.
B
O
O
M
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Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:50 pm
D. Tread — “What other sitting president has referred to other Americans as “our enemies” in a campaign speech? Then there’s the “bitter clingers” comment before he was even elected. But I suppose that wasn’t divisive, either.”
President G. H. W. Bush referred to atheists as ‘not real Americans’ on at least two occasions that I’m aware of.
Thanks, Mr. President. I wish I’d known that’s how you felt BEFORE I voted for you in 1988.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm
to think either the democratic party or the republican party are going to solve these problems is ridiculous.
they are both responsible for those problems and are more concerned with gaining an maintaining power than doing what is right
time to push them out and renew the american spirit
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm
TBG: But accusing Bush of:
Allowing/planning 9/11
Allowing/planning the failure of the levees in NO during Katrina
Starting 2 wars for oil or to enrich Haliburton
Stealing an 2 elections
Out of pure curiosity (and I mean that sincerely) were any top Democrats running these lines against the Bush admin, or was it just in the blogosphere?
Lord Help Us
May 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm
How many things did the cons complain about with Bush (while he was President)?
Other than Harriet Myers, I do not recall much…
Scooter
May 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm
Oped writers are captains of “profiteering” off divisiveness.
Mr_B
May 3rd, 2012
2:53 pm
“If you first tell me two things the Democrats didn’t criticize GWB about. That’s fair, wouldn’t you say?”
Health assistance to South Africa
No Child Left Behind ( we were wrong on that one)
Rockerbabe
May 3rd, 2012
2:54 pm
There’s a lot to be said for NOT voting for any republicans this November. . .if they all got gone, then we might have some peace and quite and a rest from whatever “war” they want to start.
President Obama has done the best he could with these naysayers and obstinate stick-in-the-muds and while it is not great, at least somethings have been accomplished. The GOP gives most Americans a black-eye and a bad name and in my opinion are only good for lining the catbox.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
2:54 pm
Once again Jay, that is your opinion. Opinion piece on how everything is the Republicans fault, now this…all in one week?
You folks on the left are getting desperate. Maybe if he had a record to run on, your opinion pieces would actually be about policy and not crying that no one likes Obama.
Cry me a river……
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm
JKL — “Admitted guilt and forfeiture of property.”
Not what happened. You should go read a book or something, because it’s clear you’re not paying attention.
“For being “mr security clearance” I find it hard to believe you missed that one.”
I didn’t miss it. Nor did I didn’t miss your failure to catch the facts of the case.
“Don’t know, could care less.”
Of course not. Only Democratic military service matters, right?
“Google away.”
Don’t need to; I already know the answer.
“The topic was “Clinton draft dodging and badmouthing America on foreign soil”.
No, the topic is “GOP wants to blame divisiveness on Obama.” Is it possible for you to stay awake in class, young man?
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm
The GOP still is the Party of No. They’re worthless and they have proven it.
Mr_B
May 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm
” O has had an expanding economy for more than 2/3 of his term.”
Yep. Utter failure there.
Peadawg - I'm a native Georgian capable of analytical thought and rational thinking
May 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm
“Romney said that his sons were fulfilling their national service obligation by helping their dad get elected President.”
Wow, really? Yikes.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:56 pm
U. Samantha — “you are ignorant reread what i wrote”
You can shove your violent imagery where the sun doesn’t shine, Champ.
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
2:58 pm
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm
pea,
I think the blame game accomplishes nothing.
_____________________________________________
And yet you engage in it EVERYDAY!
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm
Doom — “And I can’t believe I have to explain to you that O has had an expanding economy for more than 2/3 of his term. The recession ended in June of 2009. That means 34 months of non recession months vs 6 months of an ending recession. That means that for 85% of Obama’s presidency that we were not in economic recession.”
You heard it right here, folks. Doom’s praising Obama’s economic record.
The election is now in the bag. (laughing)
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm
Thulsa Doom – My God that is funny. Is the lib manufactured “war on women” not divisive?
Funny you should say that, since consevatives in our own state tried their best to pass the recent abortion bill with the following language:
HB 954 Abortion. Prohibits abortions after 20 weeks with limited exceptions: the immediate threat of death to the mother or irreversible physical impairment. Under the bill, if a pregnant woman found out at any time after 20 weeks that her fetus had suffered trauma that would cause it to die either before or during childbirth (i.e. the fetus could never become a viable human being outside of the womb), the woman would not be allowed to terminate the pregnancy and would be forced to carry the dying fetus in her body. If the fetus died inside her, she would not be able to have the fetus removed from her body until such a point as it had become septic and posed an immediate threat to her life. An amendment that would have added these and similar limited medical circumstances as exceptions to the provisions of the bill was rejected by the Rules Committee.
Of special interest is this line: If the fetus died inside her, she would not be able to have the fetus removed from her body until such a point as it had become septic and posed an immediate threat to her life.
Thank god it didn’t pass with that language. I wish you’d take the time to explain how this kind of language in an abortion bill is not a war on women. Would you, personally, like to carry a dead fetus inside of you until your life is put at immediate risk? I’d really like to know just what is to be gained by forcing a woman to carry a dead baby until it become septic?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm
“I forget . . . how many members of the Romney family have served in the military?”- Joe Mama
Joe Mama,
And what does Romney’s non military duty have to do with anything? Or with the price of tea in China for that matter?
Would your argument be one a them thar tu quoque fallacies there Joe?
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm
Let’s be real here. The GOP (Greedy Old Pigs) are in bed with the CEOs of corporations and the super wealthy. They rile up the racists and uneducated with wedge issues to gain their votes. They lie, vilify, and project.
And most importantly – THEY ARE FUNNELING MONEY AWAY FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS TO THE RICH.
When you people finally realize how punked you’ve been, you are going to be sick. Many of us have figured this out some time ago.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:00 pm
obama’s GREAT RECOVERY or LOST DECADE
hmmmmmm
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm
Other than Harriet Myers, I do not recall much
That one was fun, wasn’t it?
Bush: Here’s my nomination for Supreme Court
Democrats: *look over her record, consider her on a factual basis* Ok, that’s cool with us!
Republicans and Bush: Er… uh… nevermind!
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm
The lost decade was post 2 wars, deregulating the mortgage industry, medicare part b, and it collapsed in 2008, Samantha baby.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm
steve
you have a problem with your illogic
a great portion of those ceo’s and super wealthy are at OBAMA FUNDRAISERS paying $10-$50k a plate for his campaign…………..
hmmmmmmmmmm
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:03 pm
Peadawg — “Wow, really? Yikes.”
Apparently I had some of the details wrong, but you can read about the incident here:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/questions-about-romneys-sons-and-military-service/
For those who have trouble with accuracy and facts, this is how you substantiate things. With *evidence.*
Becky
May 3rd, 2012
3:03 pm
I sure didn’t wear a $900 tshirt to work today. Did anyone else besides Ms. Romney?
Moderate Line
May 3rd, 2012
3:04 pm
Among Republicans, the fact that the divisiveness is almost entirely their own creation doesn’t faze them in the least. Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim, the Republican Party hopes to blame the whole mess all on Obama.
++++
What does the health care bill have to do with anything? When Obam took office he had a fillabuster proof Senate and a majority in the House.
Remember when Obama voted against raising the debt limit under Bush. Both parties are comical and so are their apoligist. In reality both parties try to make it look like it is the other party that is being uncooperative.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm
Doom — “And what does Romney’s non military duty have to do with anything?”
You’re welcome to read back through the thread and find out if you missed it the first time through, Doom.
“Would your argument be one a them thar tu quoque fallacies there Joe?”
Why don’t you reread the thread and report back to us on it?
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
May 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm
Towncrier……deflection. Do better than answering a ? w/ a ?
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm
SPECIAL COMMENT to Mary Elizabeth:
I didn’t call you a name, I said I thought you were dreamy – meaning out of touch with reality. That was condescending and insulting. I apologize for hurting your feelings.
You and I have different world views – of that I feel fairly certain. For example, I have a generally low opinion of government. Just look through history and see what governments have done. Plato said the best form of government is a benevolent monarchy. I think he is absolutely right. Money and power is corrosive and often produces great evil, even in these United States. By golly, ME, we had institutionalized terrorism for many years in this country that was enabled and condoned by government. Government fails most of the time, in my view, because 1) politicians are not servants but self-serving (like the Pharisees of old) and 2) are using other people’s money (so it doesn’t mean that much to them). YET…on the other hand, I do detest greed as much as any liberal here and readily concede that greed is a source of much evil (as the Apostle Paul said) in America. And it is a problem that has to be addressed, in my opinion. But rather than regulate greedy behavior (which I think is impossible), I prefer to incentivize good behavior.
In order to bridge the divide between us, we need to both be willing to get input from more than one side. I do pretty well at this, I think and could name many of the more liberal sources I draw from – I even read the Huffington Post where good points are sometimes made). I have read some of Klugman’s pieces. But he is an economist and there are like weathermen – they have some idea of what is going on presently, but can no more forecast the future than you or I. But I am not at all certain that you draw from sources that offer differing views. My recollection of many of your posts is that you are pointing us all to some article, program or other source in order for us to see the light. Where have you conceded conservative arguments or positions or points? I don’t remember you doing that.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm
Anything new from the Birther But crowd. Bunch a dumb asses.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm
steve
the lost decade was JAPAN’s after they had a real estate bubble and it lasted on and off for 20 years
we are just entering one ourselves because of BOTH PARTIES
rightwing troll
May 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm
“you lie!!!”
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
May 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm
The White House has been usurped by a Kenyan socialist named Barry Soetero, who hatched an elaborate plot to pass himself off as a citizen of the United States – a plot the media refuse to even investigate. This president doesn’t just claim the right to assassinate suspected terrorists who are beyond the reach of law enforcement – he may be planning on rounding up his ideological opponents and putting them into concentration camps if he is reelected. He may have murdered a blogger who was critical of his administration, but authorities refuse to investigate. At the very least, he is plotting on disarming the American public after the election, in accordance with a secret deal cut with the UN and possibly with the assistance of foreign troops.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:07 pm
“And what does Romney’s non military duty have to do with anything? Or with the price of tea in China for that matter? Would your argument be one a them thar tu quoque fallacies there Joe?”
Doh…I guess Obama’s lack of military service is not an issue for him.
Jefferson
May 3rd, 2012
3:07 pm
Things were going down, now they are going up. Simple.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
3:08 pm
For the ten thousandth time today, I Object!
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
May 3rd, 2012
3:08 pm
In the real world, the rate of violent crime in the US is at the lowest point since 1968 – in fact, it is somewhat of a mystery that the violent crime rate has continued to decline even in the midst of the Great Recession. It’s also true that 84 percent of white murder victims are killed by other whites. But if you read the Drudge Report, or check in at Fox, on any given day you will see extensive coverage of any incident in which a black person harms a white person. These fit in with the narrative – advanced by people like Glenn Beck and long-touted by Ron Paul – that we stand on the brink of a race war, led by the New Black Panthers (just consider how frightening it would be if there were more than a dozen New Black Panthers, or if they did more than say stupid things). Marauding “flash-mobs” of black teens – a near-obsession at many conservative outlets these days — are simply a harbinger of things to come.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:09 pm
joe mama- I didn’t miss it. Nor did I didn’t miss your failure to catch the facts of the case
I stand corrected: “More specifically, the Independent Counsel concluded that President Clinton testified falsely on three counts under oath in Clinton v. Jones. However, Ray chose to decline criminal prosecution in favor of what the Principles of Federal Prosecution call “alternative sanctions”. This included being impeached:
“As a consequence of his conduct in the Jones v. Clinton civil suit and before the federal grand jury, President Clinton incurred significant administrative sanctions. The Independent Counsel considered seven non-criminal alternative sanctions that were imposed in making his decision to decline prosecution: (1) President Clinton’s admission of providing false testimony that was knowingly misleading, evasive, and prejudicial to the administration of justice before the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas; (2) his acknowledgement that his conduct violated the Rules of Professional Conduct of the Arkansas Supreme Court; (3) the five-year suspension of his license to practice law and $25,000 fine imposed on him by the Circuit Court of Pulaski County, Arkansas; (4) the civil contempt penalty of more than $90,000 imposed on President Clinton by the federal court for violating its orders; (5) the payment of more than $850,000 in settlement to Paula Jones; (6) the express finding by the federal court that President Clinton had engaged in contemptuous conduct; and (7) the substantial public condemnation of President Clinton arising from his impeachment.”
These seven sanctions, Ray reasoned, were “sufficient”, and therefore he did not pursue further sanctions in a criminal proceeding”
Sounds pretty guilty to me.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:10 pm
You heard it right here, folks. Doom’s praising Obama’s economic record.
The election is now in the bag. (laughing)- Joe Mama
Nice one Joe Mama. You even got me laughing. But I notice that you didn’t address the point or the dismal economic performance since we came out of recession. Or the point as I proved that O has had less time in recession than W which made your original point moot. Get back to me later if you want seeing as how you seem to have your hands quite full at the moment.
And be honest about Clinton. He surrendered his law license due to imminent disbarrment. Technically you’re right but come on. He was about to be disbarred anyway was he not?
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
3:10 pm
you know, if you “conservatives” spent as much time at least trying to be positive, rather than lying, flinging feces and making excuses for the inexcusable, this country would be a much better place.
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm
LMW1964,
You forgot to mention that there are 39 counties in Georgia that have NO OB/GYN doctors, and that most critical tests done to detect serious abnormalities are not conducted until 19 weeks. For many patients, particularly in the southern half of the state, it might be 20 weeks before they can even get to a doctor for prenatal care, let alone the tests that tell alert them to serious complications. When a serious problem is detected, patients are then referred to specialists called Perinatologists, whose numbers are fewer and dwindling throughout the state as well. Logistically, women NOT in metro Atlanta might as well be trying to get an appointment on the moon. Do our legislators care about the health needs of these women and the life-altering critical trauma they face? Nope. They do what Dan Becker tells them to. (It’s the only way to get him to crawl out of their little buzzard behinds.)
WOMEN OF GEORGIA: War has been declared, whether you want to believe it or not.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm
JKL2,
B
O
O
M
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Eustis
May 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm
It’ll be interesting to see how many comments you receive before midnight.
Mr_B
May 3rd, 2012
3:12 pm
Uncle Samantha: Just how “great” is that “great portion?” A majority? Substantial minority? Fraction? Tiny fraction?
Sure, Obama has some wealthy donors; everybody accepts that. But the non-transparent multi-million dollars contributions flow mostly to the GOP superpacs.
And let’s say you’re right and the 1% are bankrolling Obama’s campaign. Kinda undermines the Marxist-Socialist- anti business meme; don’t it?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm
midori
humans share 97% of dna with chimpanzes
and both democrats and republicans prove this because the both FLING THEIR OWN POO
mm
May 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm
“Maybe if he had a record to run on,”
You clowns are really hanging onto that one. Pretty absurd when you actually think about it.
“When Obama took office he had a filibuster proof Senate”
Total lie. There was Lieberman the traitor who never voted with the dems. Toss in a couple of blue dogs and you can see why the dems were always 1 or 2 votes away from breaking the filibusters.
Generation$crewed
May 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm
Republicans praised Obama for trip to afg.
Also for bringing back military tribunals.
That’s 2. Which I’m sure won’t be good enough
Are all of ya’ll having problems with google today?
Becky
May 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm
Doomy-maybe I missed it but what do you mean by the boom running down the page? is that the sound of your head exploding when your lies have been exposed?
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm
unk,
the only one(s) I see flinging poo on a regular basis are the ones on the right.
I don’t buy that “they both do it” crap.
I choose to trust my own eyes and ears.
Don't Tread
May 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm
“there are 39 counties in Georgia that have NO OB/GYN doctors”
I suppose that’s because Republicans passed a law banning OB/GYNs from those counties, right?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm
Steve,
Since you insist I will go ahead and give O full credit for unemployment. A record 38 straight months of unemployment above 8% and 2 million less people working then before O took office. If you insist lets give O the credit.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
3:15 pm
You conservatives have been conned. Unless you are making 7 figures, it is NOT in your best interest to vote for the GOP.
Romney is the perfect example of WHY I would never vote GOP. There isn’t one redeeming quality about him:
cult religion with narrow views
flip flopper
put his dog on the roof of his car
greedy/uber wealthy
fake/plastic
out of touch with the rest of us
doesn’t stand up for anything except for what the latest polls say
mediocre governor at best
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
3:15 pm
becky,
I was wondering the same myself
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
3:15 pm
Matti – thank you so much for that!!! I didn’t realize all of that, but now the 20 week provision in the bill makes perfect sense.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm
joe mama- Only Democratic military service matters, right?
On Mitt’s dad, George Romney: “In 1940, as World War II raged overseas, Romney helped start the Automotive Committee for Air Defense, which coordinated planning between the automobile and aircraft industries.[57] Immediately following the December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor that drew the U.S. into the war, Romney helped turn that committee into, and became managing director of, the Automotive Council for War Production.[57] This organization established a cooperative arrangement in which companies could share production improvements, thus maximizing the industry’s contribution to the war production effort.”
It may not exactly be military service, but it’s still alot more than most people do for the country.
I’ll now wait for your response on the contributions of the obama family since you want to compare the two.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm
How many more people are working SINCE Bush left office, Thulsa. You are being very very very disingenous with your “numbers,” pal.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm
“See, Republicans came out IMMEDIATELY to suggest that Obama does not deserve credit, that Bush does. That is critical of Obama by deflecting the praise.”
I saw that you qualified the “praise” Democrats gave GWB for “getting Hussein” by parenthetically indicating it was while they still believed there were WMDs there – a backdoor admission that the praise was heartfelt. Other than that, I am confident (from hearing them say it themselves, even now) that a good many Republicans give Obama credit for Bin Laden. The same holds true for his use of drones against terrorists. But, to save your own theory (as you are want to do so often), you will focus on the exceptions and make a universal case of it. How much is the cool-aid?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm
MR B
i am offended that you are trying to paint me with a republican brush
both parties are the partied of the 1%
they just use us as fools fighting over crumbs and social issues to maintain the plutocracy
obama is more of a corporatist and anti-colonialist…….. its fits his world view and his actions
and please dont try to make it sound like i am dissing him…….. those are descriptions and not judgements
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm
Becky,
Did you actually expose what you believe to be a lie of mine? Or have all you got for me is more empty emotional rhetoric and hyperbole?
Bill the Thrill
May 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm
So Bush is off limits, but Clinton is not?
Being new to the board, I want to get this correct before chiming in.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:18 pm
steve- Let’s be real here. The GOP (Greedy Old Pigs) are in bed with the CEOs of corporations and the super wealthy.
George Soros says,”What?”
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm
midiori
if you can’t see both sides doing it then you are part of the problem for the discourse in this country
Becky
May 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm
Doomy-hon. You don’t have original thoughts just spouting lies you are hearing from Faux news and so forth so I did misspeak when I said YOUR lies didn’t I? Boom!!! and there it goes again.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:21 pm
Total lie. There was Lieberman the traitor who never voted with the dems. Toss in a couple of blue dogs and you can see why the dems were always 1 or 2 votes away from breaking the filibusters.
And Al Franken wasn’t sworn in for months.
too little time
May 3rd, 2012
3:21 pm
The divisiveness began when Senators met in the middle of the night to deem and pass an bill that 67% of the people did not want. No input was allowed…at all.. from Republicans.Obama did not seek bipartisan support, no was any input allowed from Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reed. That set the tone for this entire Presidency. No time was given to examine the bill (even though 72 hours was promised), accounting gimmicks were used to justify it (gimmicks that have now been exposed for the lies that they were).
You have interpreted the way you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Truly, the shenanigans of the Democratic House and Senate of 2008 are to blame for starting this ball rolling down hill, but Obama (as President) has done NOTHING to stop it.
This country has been ratcheting to the left for 100 years. Any attempt to stop that ratcheting is met with contempt,vitriol and hyperbole from the left. It is not a “war on women” because I don’t believe my tax dollars should pay for some floozy’s free birth control. It is not a “war on the poor” because I believe that ALL citizens should pay Federal income taxes. It is not a “war on the old people” to recognize the basic insolvency of Medicare. It is not a “war on the obese” to demand that people on the public dole should not weigh 300+lbs.
It is common sense to recognize that taking every cent of every single millionaire and billionaire in this country will not solve our countries debt problem,and that harping on it is divisive. Do I think they should pay a minimum tax rate on *any* kind of income? Sure. If your payment is in stock, then a minimum rate equal to other income rates should apply. If you want my conservative support for this kind of effort, then … as Democrats… state up front what you think the maximum tax rate should EVER be, pass a constitutional amendment that codes it in stone. Because I know that if you say the minimum should be 30% this year, then you will ratchet it to 35% next year, and 40% the next year…. ad infinitum. But knowing that no tax rate change will take place, then harping on it continually as the POTUS does IS divisive. Similarly, Neal Boortz harping on the poor poor pitiful poor is divisive. Republicans simply disagreeing with Democrats is not divisive. That is how you, Jay, like to portray it. When you clean up your own house, maybe your words won’t sound so hollow.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
3:21 pm
Eric Cantor, the Republican House majority leader, signed Grover Norquist’s “no tax pledge.” But apparently his pledge doesn’t apply to the 45 percent of workers who make so little money that they don’t owe federal personal income taxes. At a private event hosted by Bank of America, Cantor said we “have to discuss the issue” of increasing personal income tax rates for these workers so that he can lower tax rates for everybody else. The rationale: to get the economy growing again.
Cantor’s appeal continues the Republican opposition to tax relief for the middle class, despite their vigorous opposition to raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans. As these actions demonstrate, the agenda embraced by the Republican Party and fully supported by Mitt Romney is misguided and deceitful.
Read more: http://www.greenwichtime.com/opinion/article/Op-Ed-GOP-policy-is-for-wealthy-not-workers-3513559.php#ixzz1tpu2R9SK
Mr_B
May 3rd, 2012
3:21 pm
Hey Doom: ” But I notice that you didn’t address the point or the dismal economic performance since we came out of recession. Or the point as I proved that O has had less time in recession than W which made your original point moot. Get back to me later if you want seeing as how you seem to have your hands quite full at the moment.”
Where we disagree is the idea that the economic performance has been “dismal.” Given the depth of the economic meltdown, many would say that we aren’t doing that badly. And at any rate, Obama has done nothing that would substantially slow the recovery and has done many things that probably helped to speed it up. Conservatives oppose many of those policies on ideological grounds, but they rarely point out examples of Obama actually impeding the economic recovery.
For months I begged small business owner on this and other blogs to cite one single instance of an Obama initiated policy or regulation that actually impacted their bottom line negatively. I never got ONE.
SINGLE.
ANSWER.
Bill the Thrill
May 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm
JKL2
Also remind JHM that Reagan stayed home and did propaganda films
People can laugh all they like……… who else was qualified and dignified enough to do so?
That took courage and guts my friend
Don’t let up JKL2.
Becky
May 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm
The very real War on Women will not be forgotten and exactly who started the mess. It will not matter how many times your republicans try to walk it back, we remember and we vote.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm
becky- I sure didn’t wear a $900 tshirt to work today. Did anyone else besides Ms. Romney?
I think I saw Michelle wearing one on her $2 million taxpayer funded vacation…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm
Towncrier — “Doh…I guess Obama’s lack of military service is not an issue for him.”
I love it when y’all don’t pay attention to who’s posting what. (laughing)
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm
Really? Women on birth control are “floozys”????? Your whole article was deemed trash with that quip.
Racheting to the “left”???? You can thank liberals and progressives for all of the freedoms you have now. Without us, it would still be the Victorian era.
Tundra Dude
May 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm
Adam wrote, in part:
Republicans came out IMMEDIATELY to suggest that Obama does not deserve credit, that Bush does.
Now that’s Really funny….
The CIA’s former head of the “bin laden” unit would disagree that Bush should get credit:
http://bit.ly/IZI7GP
CIA’s Bin Laden Hunter Ordered to Stand Down 10 Times
Written by Alex Newman 06 June 2011
Michael Scheuer, the former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA’s) Osama bin Laden unit, told the U.K. Daily Telegraph in a recent interview he was prevented from capturing or killing the terrorist by his superiors on at least 10 separate occasions.
carlosgvv
May 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm
It’s hard to believe Republicans would call Obama’s call for the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes “class warfare”.
It’s even harder to believe Republicans would call Obama’s healthcare contraception mandate a “war on women” and an “attack on religious freedom”.
It’s next to impossible to believe Republicans would call a quiet celebration of the death of Bin Laden an attempt to “divide the nation”.
However, even though it’s sad and pitiful, it’s east to see thru these smoke screens to what is really bothering the Republicans. When they talk of “taking our country back” that is a code for “getting that n**** out of the White House and putting a white person in”.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm
heres a thought
if women really think there is a war on women
then why dont we give them a real war on women
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:24 pm
Towncrier: I saw that you qualified the “praise” Democrats gave GWB for “getting Hussein” by parenthetically indicating it was while they still believed there were WMDs there – a backdoor admission that the praise was heartfelt.
I only qualified it so you wouldn’t immediately go “but they DID criticize him for it!” Honestly most of the major criticism of Bush didn’t come until that particular untruth was found out. His poll numbers were extremely high following 9/11, and no major media outlet dared criticize him for years.
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
3:24 pm
I think I saw Michelle wearing one on her $2 million taxpayer funded vacation
George Bush spent in excess of $20 MILLION just taking Air Force One down to the ranch. Who was paying for that?
Becky
May 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm
JKL2-that tired story again? Really?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm
LMW1964,
“You forgot to mention that there are 39 counties in Georgia that have NO OB/GYN doctors”
Matti,
You can thank liberal jackpot justice for that. In many rural counties throughout the south the local ob/gyn docs have been sued out of existence. What can happen is that a poor woman with no prenatal care comes in, has a baby, things go wrong, and next thing you know she is suing the doc. Not just in rural areas but in very urban Democrat areas as well. Funny how that works. You only got yourselves to blame ma’am.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2002-05-06-obstetricians.htm
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm
Unk,
personally, I think “you” have a problem.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm
JKL — “I stand corrected”
Thank you for that. And I mean that sincerely.
Bill Clinton *did* lose his law license, at least temporarily, but he wasn’t disbarred. I know that sounds like a technicality, but it’s true. I guess it falls under the category of Strange and Hard to Believe, but it is true. And do bear in mind that I didn’t vote for Clinton — either time. So I’ve got no dog in this hunt.
“Sounds pretty guilty to me.”
Yes, but he wasn’t disbarred. The prosecutor *could* have pursued disbarment proceedings, but chose not to.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm
The divisiveness began when Senators met in the middle of the night to deem and pass an bill that 67% of the people did not want. No input was allowed…at all.. from Republicans.Obama did not seek bipartisan support, no was any input allowed from Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reed
Absolutely 100% wrong on all counts. But since my attempting to show you facts that prove otherwise will do absolutely no good, I will stop there.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm
“Considering how hard the Republican candidates were flogging 9/11 in 2008, one wonders if you voted Republican and how you managed to square that vote with your statement above.”
Pretzel logic from you, as usual. In case you didn’t know it, there are no perfect political candidates and voting for one over another almost always is a choice of the lesser of two evils and you vote for the one that more closely (as best you can tell) reflects your beliefs. And, also in case you didn’t know it, criticizing a candidate for his words or actions does not mean you will never vote for him.
Now, let me allow you to have the last word as you predictably and invariably are compelled by a defensive impulse to do.
a) criticizing the actions of a politician means he
if a candidate
Tundra Dude
May 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm
My God that is funny. Is the lib manufactured “war on women” not divisive?
http://bit.ly/HLnp0T
15 Bible Texts Reveal Why God’s Own Party is at War with Women
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm
heres a thought
if women really think there is a war on women
then why dont we give them a real war on women
I just love how you think you’re helping your cause by saying that.bless your heart….
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm
Don’t Tread: “I suppose that’s because Republicans passed a law banning OB/GYNs from those counties, right?”
Well, bless your heart! How thoughtless of the grown-ups to drag you into a discussion this far beyond your understanding. I think there are some juice boxes in the fridge, pumpkin. Why don’t you grab one, run along outside, and play on the anthills? Mommy will call you when supper’s ready.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm
I give obama credit for passing ACA. The biggest, most expensive POS legislation ever passed. Soon to be the biggest, most expensive, POS legislation ever declared unconstitutional by the Supreme court.
If it makes you Democrats feel better, please add “by an African-American President to the end of both of those.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm
2 superb examples of intelligent discourse from the left.
Steve
May 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm
Let’s be real here. The GOP (Greedy Old Pigs) are in bed with the CEOs of corporations and the super wealthy. They rile up the racists and uneducated with wedge issues to gain their votes. They lie, vilify, and project.
And most importantly – THEY ARE FUNNELING MONEY AWAY FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS TO THE RICH
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm
The GOP still is the Party of No. They’re worthless and they have proven it.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm
adam
my cause is not dems vs repubs
its men vs women
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm
“then why dont we give them a real war on women”
Bring it on
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
3:30 pm
Yes, indeed. Bring it.
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
3:31 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm
heres a thought
if women really think there is a war on women
then why dont we give them a real war on women
Just keep in mind as you’re planning your ALL OUT war on us, that you cannot repopulate the world without us. Might want to choose your wars more wisely. I mean, that’s all the conservatives are worried about, right? Our wombs? Otherwise, we’re of no use to them whatsoever.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:32 pm
Doom — “But I notice that you didn’t address the point or the dismal economic performance since we came out of recession. Or the point as I proved that O has had less time in recession than W which made your original point moot. Get back to me later if you want seeing as how you seem to have your hands quite full at the moment.”
I’m on record here many times, deploring the lousy economic record of BOTH Bush and Obama. And both have been crappy when it comes to job creation; I’ve said as much several times.
“And be honest about Clinton. He surrendered his law license due to imminent disbarrment.”
True.
“Technically you’re right”
Thank you for that.
“but come on. He was about to be disbarred anyway was he not?
But he *wasn’t* actually disbarred, now was he?
It’s like Nixon resigning in order to avoid being found guilty during the impeachment proceedings. Nixon *wasn’t* found guilty, regardless of what he did or didn’t do, and whether he resigned or not. The fact of the matter is that Nixon *wasn’t* convicted by Congress, and the fact of the matter is that Clinton *wasn’t* disbarred.
You’re right that it’s a technicality, but look at this as a glass-half-full sort of thing. You can actually win bar bets with this knowledge.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:33 pm
“You can thank liberals and progressives for all of the freedoms you have now”
Steve.
Yes. Of course. I’m certain the founding fathers who granted us most of those freedoms were pro choice and pro welfare state liberals weren’t they? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:34 pm
“Honestly most of the major criticism of Bush didn’t come until that particular untruth was found out. His poll numbers were extremely high following 9/11, and no major media outlet dared criticize him for years.”
Nice historical revisionism. You do recall that GWB “won” the presidency via a SCOTUS ruling, do you not? And you do recall that there was a great amount of animosity towards Bush because of that, do you not? And, now, I guess you want to pretend that Bush was the toast of the Democrats after 9/11 when in any political reality to criticize him after the single biggest act of war on American soil would give everyone the impression you were clearly unpatriotic. Bush was loathed by many, many liberals for all eight years he was in office – even if they had to bite their tongue for awhile after 9/11.
mm
May 3rd, 2012
3:34 pm
“No input was allowed…at all.. from Republicans”
Another lie. Grassley spent several months blowing sunshine up the dems butts Turns out he was just trying to run out the clock. I checked his website and I could not even find a reference to the republican party. I bet that holds true of many of these cons. I wouldn’t want anyone to know I was in the party that has stymied growth in this country for 3 years. (after destroying it).
barking frog
May 3rd, 2012
3:34 pm
If there is a war on women
why has the phallacy that women are a minority not
been a casualty?
stands for decibels
May 3rd, 2012
3:35 pm
Jay, I hear ya, and those are all fair points you raise. We can, and should, expect a major American political party to behave itself better than it does, and yes, the GOP’s current nonsense about Obama being a “divider” are pretty laughable.
Still, I will continue to point out that a supine Democratic party has made a lot of this possible; furthermore, Obama’s willingness to compromise was telegraphed well in advance to anyone who bothered to read Audacity of Hope, so this outcome shouldn’t be real surprising.
I got to thinking about how going-along-to-get-along has led to a bat-crap crazy GOP, and stumbled upon this, and figured I might as well quote from it.
What went so terribly wrong? Did the Republican Party move further and further right? Or were they pushed? The thing is, at the same time the GOP moved inexorably to the right, so did the Democratic Party. The center-right, which used to be populated by semi-reasonable Republicans is now the exclusive domain of “moderate” Democrats.
For proof, you need only look at the extremists in each party. In the GOP, to be labeled extreme, you’ve got to be advocating for the repeal of the 14th and the 17th Amendments and be prepared to openly question the passage of the Civil Rights Act, maybe even Women’s suffrage. Meanwhile, in the Democratic party, a “radical” is someone who believes that any cuts in Social Security benefits is a non-starter and that worker protections aren’t negotiable.
mm
May 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm
“BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA”
Doom, you seem to like to pat yourself on the back. I for one think you are doing something else with your hand.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm
Towncrier: You do recall that GWB “won” the presidency via a SCOTUS ruling, do you not? And you do recall that there was a great amount of animosity towards Bush because of that, do you not?
What part of “following 9/11″ was difficult to understand?
Bush was loathed by many, many liberals for all eight years he was in office – even if they had to bite their tongue for awhile after 9/11.
And thus you make my point for me.
Don't Tread
May 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm
“You can thank liberals and progressives for all of the freedoms you have now.”
Well, except the 1st Amendment, which you tried to destroy with the so-called “Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act”, struck down by the Supreme Court. (By the way, fail.)
And the 2nd Amendment, which you have tried to destroy with “nuisance” lawsuits, registrations, gun bans, 1000% taxes on ammunition, etc. (Your gun ban was also struck down by the Supreme Court, DC vs. Heller, your “collective rights” argument nonwithstanding. Fail.)
And the 10th Amendment, with the so-called “Affordable Health Care Act” – apparently headed for Failville too.
But hey, the 5th Amendment is alive and well, probably because you people use it so frequently.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm
“Just keep in mind as you’re planning your ALL OUT war on us, that you cannot repopulate the world without us”
Yep. A huge majority on the female side can repopulate the world with only a few male partners (if they have the stamina) – it’s not so easy the other way around, and it would take MUCH longer. If it succeeded at all.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm
Becky
May 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm
“Doomy-hon. You don’t have original thoughts just spouting lies you are hearing from Faux news and so forth so I did misspeak when I said YOUR lies didn’t I? Boom!!! and there it goes again.”
So is there a point in there Becky? Nope. Just more of the same with the emotiomnal rhetoric and hyperbole. Lemme know when you can actually use some researched links or some factual points to prove one of them thar lies that you accuse me of. Otherwise you just come off as a big bag a air.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm
JKL — “It may not exactly be military service”
That’s right. It’s not military service.
“I’ll now wait for your response on the contributions of the obama family since you want to compare the two.”
Actually, *you* brought up military service when you snarked about Obama not having done any. All I did was point out that your man Romney hasn’t got any, either, and neither do his five military-age sons. So unless you want to claim that Sasha and Malia are somehow dodging *their* military service commitment, I’d say your snark just blew up in your face. Better call the EOD guys. (laughing)
When you’ve got some actual, honest-to-goodness Romney military service to talk about, then we can get back to that topic. Until then, all you’ve got is “it’s not exactly military service.”
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm
after the single biggest act of war on American soil
That wasn’t 9/11. That was Pearl Harbor.
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm
TBG: But accusing Bush of:
Allowing/planning 9/11
Allowing/planning the failure of the levees in NO during Katrina
Starting 2 wars for oil or to enrich Haliburton
Stealing an 2 elections
Out of pure curiosity (and I mean that sincerely) were any top Democrats running these lines against the Bush admin, or was it just in the blogosphere?
_____________________________________________________________________________
Adam, I would have to research that.
But, would it suprise you if there were? (I know, what am I thinking)
Bill the Thrill
May 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm
“Bush was loathed by many, many liberals for all eight years he was in office – ”
There is much truth to that statement. Can’ the same be said for many, many conservatives in regards Obama at this point in time?
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm
TBG: It would surprise me if more than one or two were prominent top Democrat lines, yes. I mean, i was around then and I do not remember these arguments being made except by people in bars.
stands for decibels
May 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm
but look at this as a glass-half-full sort of thing.
or this sorta thing.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm
” If your point was that it is opportunistic, fine, it is opportunistic. But it’s perfectly justified.”
Yes, the ends always justify the means, huh Adam?
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm
Thulsa Doom: Lemme know when you can actually use some researched links or some factual points to prove one of them thar lies that you accuse me of.
Shifting the burden of proof, AKA “I need not prove my claim true, you must prove it false.” Ten yard penalty.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm
bill the thrill
“After completing fourteen home-study Army Extension Courses, Reagan enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve[29] on April 29, 1937, as a private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa.[30] He was commissioned a Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on May 25, 1937.[31]
Reagan was ordered to active duty for the first time on April 18, 1942. Due to his nearsightedness, he was classified for limited service only, which excluded him from serving overseas. He was separated from active duty on December 9, 1945.
So let’s see: 1. Volunteered 4 years before the war started. 2. Served until the completetion of the war.
Sounds like very honorable service to me. Now back to the Clinton/obama military records…
Whatever
May 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm
I worried Obama would be divisive when he started out with “I won”. Plenty of blame to go around but that wasn’t a great way to get started.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm
I see gas prices are still dropping. That’s not good for the Republican scorched earth strategy.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm
Towncrier: Yes, the ends always justify the means, huh Adam?
There are no “ends” being discussed here.
Mary Elizabeth
May 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm
Towncrier, 3:05 pm
“That was condescending and insulting. I apologize for hurting your feelings.”
================================================
You are correct that we have two worldviews, yet I see the class and maturity which you have shown through your public apology to me. Others have not been able to muster that same calibre of response. Thank you for that.
I probably lashed out too much at you through anger, and for that I apologize to you. I do not know you, in any specific depth. I should have been able to discipline my anger toward you better, but there is a fine line between holding one’s tongue through self-discipline and in unhealthily accepting abusive remarks from others. (I consider condescension toward others and negative stereotyping of others abusive, even when no specific name is called.) Unfortunately on blogs, as well as in our current society, abusive remarks, in varying degrees of impact, are all too prevalent.
I will respond to the content of your post later. Regarding your ideas, I am in agreement with you on some of them, and with others, I am in disagreement. I wish to collect my thoughts, with some depth, before I respond to your shared ideas.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm
Steve — “How many more people are working SINCE Bush left office, Thulsa. You are being very very very disingenous with your “numbers,” pal.”
Doom is not stupid, and he understands numbers and stats. That said, he will choose his sources very carefully and will sometimes use cherrypicked data that supports his argument.
You can refute his numbers by means of constructing careful arguments of your own and by exposing any cherrypicked data he’s using, but he’s one of the few here who will actually use data to support himself. It also helps if you can ignore his ego when you respond to him; I usually go with the point-and-laugh method.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm
“Just keep in mind as you’re planning your ALL OUT war on us, that you cannot repopulate the world without us”
that is a GOOD THING
IT WILL SOLVE MOST OF THE WORLD PROBLEMS TO REDUCE THE WORLD POPULATION
Curious
May 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm
How many of those 39 counties in Georgia with no OB/GYN have no hospital?
If I were in the baby delivering business, I’d want to be close to a hospital that provided OB services.
stands for decibels
May 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm
Due to his nearsightedness, he was classified for limited service only
snort.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm
“When you’re ready to shift out of neutral, you let me know.”
When you are ready to shift out of reverse, I’ll return the favor.
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
IT WILL SOLVE MOST OF THE WORLD PROBLEMS TO REDUCE THE WORLD POPULATION
Yes, it will reduce the population to zero. Didn’t realize that your issues with women are deep enough to want to see the world end over them. Someone must have really fuched you over.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
IT WILL SOLVE MOST OF THE WORLD PROBLEMS TO REDUCE THE WORLD POPULATION
Hint: A War on women in the U.S. would only result in the U.S. population being reduced in such a scenario. American Exceptionalism, eh?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
B. T. Thrill — “Also remind JHM that Reagan stayed home and did propaganda films”
True Fact: Jimmy Stewart was once the Commanding Officer over at Dobbins. No joke.
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm
Hint: A War on women in the U.S. would only result in the U.S. population being reduced in such a scenario. American Exceptionalism, eh?
Who said it was only a war on US women? Sounds like Uncle Samantha wants a war on ALL women.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm
Oops. The unemployment claims dropped again. That’s not good for the Party of NO.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm
Towncrier — “Pretzel logic from you, as usual.”
No, just further exposure of your hypocrisy.
“In case you didn’t know it, there are no perfect political candidates and voting for one over another almost always is a choice of the lesser of two evils and you vote for the one that more closely (as best you can tell) reflects your beliefs.”
Clearly YOU don’t know it, since you’re berating others for doing it while giving yourself a pass for the selfsame thing.
Your argument’s pathetic.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm
I have a title for Bookmans blog tomorrow.
The Preezy of the United Steezy Wants to Distract You from His Dismal Economy
Bill the Thrill
May 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm
JKL2
I said it took guts and courage. No need to get upset and angry.
I’ve noticed your posts when I look in from time to time. You seem to get angry at times over someone having different opinions; almost like a child who doesn’t get their way.
“if you don’t get help at Charter, please get help”
Jack
May 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm
Anyone that disagrees with Obama and his campaign of “fairness” is considered laughable by liberals. That anyone can’t see Obama’s plan to pit parasites against producers is laughable: he knows that votes can be won that way.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm
Are Republicans still pushing that aspirin between the legs pregnancy prevention plan. I think that one could be a real winner for the GOP.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:48 pm
“There are no “ends” being discussed here.”
You said, in essence, if it was wrong it was wrong, but it was justified nonetheless. Hence my response. Please stop covering for Obama. I do NOT cover for GWB, though I voted for him twice. He did some good things but made some huge mistakes, in my opinion.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
Doom — “Yes. Of course. I’m certain the founding fathers who granted us most of those freedoms were pro choice and pro welfare state liberals weren’t they?”
“Fight The Power” is most assuredly NOT a conservative song, nor a conservative slogan.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
“Your argument’s pathetic.”
Pretzel logic from you, as usual.
Where's My Party?
May 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
“You do recall that GWB “won” the presidency via a SCOTUS ruling, do you not? And you do recall that there was a great amount of animosity towards Bush because of that, do you not?”
I have said on here before and will say it again, this was where it all started. The left lost their collective crap after Bush won the election over Gore (however you think it was won) and it has been all downhill ever since. Both parties are guilty. The fringe on both sides took over and and both are to blame. It ebbs and flows with which side is the bigger fool, but it is laughable at best to point your finger at the other side while saying “not our fault, it’s their fault”. The political landscape is horrifically damaged with both sides so entrenched that it may not be possible for us to come out of it. This country needs a statesman and a leader, not a politician.
Obama and Romney are neither. I don’t have an answer for who is.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
Who said it was only a war on US women? Sounds like Uncle Samantha wants a war on ALL women.
Well then voting GOP should accomplish that. They do loves them some wars lately….
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
3:50 pm
How many jobs does a Republican tax cut create anyway because I sure didn’t bother creating any from those Bush tax cuts. I just re-invested the tax savings.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
Tundra Dude- Michael Scheuer, the former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA’s) Osama bin Laden unit, told the U.K. Daily Telegraph in a recent interview he was prevented from capturing or killing the terrorist by his superiors on at least 10 separate occasions
Is it me or does it seem like your article is pointing toward Bush? Did it skip the part where these were all reported to William Jefferson Clinton?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
Adam — “That wasn’t 9/11. That was Pearl Harbor.”
IIRC, more Americans died in 9/11 than in the Pearl Harbor attack. And Hawaii wasn’t yet a state in 1941.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm
“Where we disagree is the idea that the economic performance has been “dismal.” Given the depth of the economic meltdown, many would say that we aren’t doing that badly.”
Mr._B,
Its been nearly 3 years since the recession ended. And if you study economic history you will find that your point not only does not hold water but quite the opposite is historically true. The deeper the recession the stronger and more robust the economic recovery.
“And at any rate, Obama has done nothing that would substantially slow the recovery and has done many things that probably helped to speed it up. Conservatives oppose many of those policies on ideological grounds, but they rarely point out examples of Obama actually impeding the economic recovery.”
Well now actually the debt and its continuing escalation is considered by many economists to be an impediment to economic growth. I’m sure you know and understand that. And again. If you study the great depression, Japan’s lost decade, you will see that Keynesian style stimulus did not help them out of recession. It only prolonged it and also weak recovery. This is what the Rs are railing against.
As for regulation Steve Wynn, Trump, Bernie Marcus are all immensely successful entrpreneurs who have publicly stated that overregulation is killing the economy. Marcus has flat out said that if they had to start Home Depot today they couldn’t do it because of the onerous bregulation. Is the man lying? I’ll take his word and that of the other people I mentioned over your opinion. My girlfriend and I are big fans of shark tank which has Mark Cuban on it. In the episode I watched last week he openly made a statement that he couldn’t start a big biusiness today due to regulation and red tape. I just about fell outta my chair when I heard him say that. Was he lying?
“For months I begged small business owner on this and other blogs to cite one single instance of an Obama initiated policy or regulation that actually impacted their bottom line negatively. I never got ONE.”
“SINGLE.
ANSWER.”
Fred asked me the same exact question a month or 2 ago. I responded with several major points detailing added regulations that make my business harder. Not going to rehash them all over but its in the archives if you care to look it up.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
3:54 pm
No call to blame Obama for the divisiveness, but the faction he leads has done its fair share in creating and perpetuating the climate of divisiveness. Just read this blog, a study in bipartisan didacticism.
******
WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE…
Women repopulating with a few men…it’s been done and the results weren’t very good… Paraguay in the post Chaco War, 19th and Early 20th Century France, the American South post Misunderstanding, as a few examples…. check out the origins of the word hysteria…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:54 pm
Towncrier — “When you are ready to shift out of reverse, I’ll return the favor.”
Being in reverse is the only way I can slow down to your level, Towncrier.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:54 pm
Towncrier: I am not “covering” for Obama by suggesting that he is perfectly justified in reminding us that the death of bin Laden happened under his watch. I don’t see him doing that as a victory dance. After all, he’s had a whole year to do that and only NOW, when he mentions it as a foreign policy achievement, do people get all upset. Frankly he deserves the credit, just like Bush deserves the credit for getting Saddam (and btw, I would have been more in support of the Iraq war if it wasn’t based on a lie). The framing of this whole thing as a victory dance is just way off.
I happen to think Obama made some mistakes too, and also did some things I completely disagree with (see drone strikes on American citizens for one example, wink-and-a-nod support of oil pipelines without any real new restrictions or regulations, etc). But his record isn’t bad in terms of many other key things.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm
joe mama- “I’ll now wait for your response on the contributions of the obama family since you want to compare the two.”
Just say “I got nothing”. You might find it liberating to tell the truth.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm
Towncrier — “Pretzel logic from you, as usual.”
Go ahead and repeat it. That won’t make your charge true.
The fact of the matter is that you’re berating others for engaging in a practice that you *admitted* you were also engaging in — but you conveniently constructed an exception and an excuse for yourself. For some reason, your excuse applies to you, but the possibility that it might also apply to *others* seems to escape you utterly.
That’s not pretzel logic. That is, quite simply, exposing your hypocrisy.
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm
I’m out. See you all later!
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
“I have said on here before and will say it again, this was where it all started. The left lost their collective crap after Bush won the election over Gore (however you think it was won) and it has been all downhill ever since. Both parties are guilty. The fringe on both sides took over and and both are to blame. It ebbs and flows with which side is the bigger fool, but it is laughable at best to point your finger at the other side while saying “not our fault, it’s their fault”. The political landscape is horrifically damaged with both sides so entrenched that it may not be possible for us to come out of it. This country needs a statesman and a leader, not a politician.”
Nicely out, WMP. But I am not sure it started in 2000. Certainly, that ratcheted things up a bit (as did the impeachment of Clinton) and it has just gotten progressively worse over time.
Don't Tread
May 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
“The left lost their collective crap after Bush won the election over Gore”
Which is a huge pile of irony, really. The left also exonerated Clinton even though he was guilty. If they had not done that and kicked Clinton out of office, instead of taking the “my party can do no wrong” attitude, Gore would have been the sitting president for the 2000 elections. The Democratic party would probably have been viewed as having integrity, and Bush would have never been President.
Funny how that works.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
JKL — “Just say “I got nothing”. You might find it liberating to tell the truth.”
You’ve got nothing.
There, I feel better already.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:00 pm
all of us men need to push for victory on the war on women
the faster we do this the less painful it will be for them
lets end women’s suffrage
Bill the Thrill
May 3rd, 2012
4:00 pm
” The Democratic party would probably have been viewed as having integrity, and Bush would have never been President.
Funny how that works.”
Yes very funny……… See election results after two Bush terms
Almost like a bad rinse cycle, either way you look at it, uh?
Curious
May 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
How does the US economy compare with the rest of the world?
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm
So Jay’s diverting attention away from Obama’s dismal economic failures again.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
http://www.kontraband.com/videos/12474/Help-End-Womens-Suffrage/
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
“That said, he will choose his sources very carefully and will sometimes use cherrypicked data that supports his argument.”
Joe Mama,
I don’t know why you are engaging in dishonesty yet again. We’ve been over this umpteen times and yet you still engage in deception. When I used those stats to show the growth after the W tax custs I specifically used the data to show excxactly what happened when the tax cuts were fully implemented. In other words a specific set of purposely or in your words cherry picked data specifically to show what happened when the tax cuts were fully realized . It was that way on purpose to illustrate a point and with full disclosure. Why you continue to be dishonest about this in order to try and cast me in a bad light is beyond me.
Are you just mad that I busted you on the actual months of recession vs non recession months between O and W? If so you need to get over it. I was open and upfront in the use of that data to make a spedcific point and for you to continue to act as if it was dishonest is beneath contempt. Dispense with the dishonesty or just don’t bother talking to me anymore.
Bill the Thrill
May 3rd, 2012
4:09 pm
“So Jay’s diverting attention away from Obama’s dismal economic failures again.”
Just another day in JB land
Thanks for keeping the heat on him
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
4:09 pm
I just heard some economics professor say that since Obama took office in 2009, there are now over 2 million less jobs. That is 2 million jobs that are gone, vanished, never coming back. He said of course the unemployment numbers are going to drop because folks have dropped off the unemployment list, and just given up looking. This is his opinion, but I agree with him. He said that those folks will start looking again once the economy turns around, but he doesn’t see that happening during Obama’s term. The business sector is too nervous to start hiring folks because of the uncertainty of this Obama economy.
He also said that Obama knows that no president has ever been re-elected with the unemployment at 8% or higher. The numbers will start to drop as we get closer to November. He also said that the employment number that is reported always gets revised, and that number is always higher then what was reported, but the revised number never gets reported. This week, AP had the following headline, “US Applications for Unemployment Aid Drop Sharply”. The AP goes on to say that hiring COULD pick up in the coming months. Then ADP comes out and says that new jobs added were a “paltry” 119,000. The estimates were around 175,000 by the ‘experts’ in his administration.
Another AP headline states “AP Survey: Steady Job Gains to Sustain US Recovery.” What job gains are they talking about? What recovery are they talking about? The economy has grown at the slowest rate after a recession ever.
The media is in the back pocket of this administration. The folks that the left accuse of lying are actually reporting what is really happening, and thank God for them.
Obama 2012 – Hype & Blame
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm
“That’s not pretzel logic. That is, quite simply, exposing your hypocrisy.”
Before we talk about my hypocrisy (alleged by you), why don’t you disprove your own first – you know the couple times I have directly challenged you to substantiate your claims about me by using the directly accessible *evidence* (as you might put it) on this very blog? Otherwise, shift out of reverse because I think a turn is coming up and your driving skills don’t impress me. And when you do actually get off your butt to either validate or substantiate the specific evidentiary claims of spitting upon and throwing things at veterans over and against the claims of Lembcke slavishly followed by you, let us all know – okay?
CharlesKayeMBA
May 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm
What a joke. The dems are in the business of labeling people based on income, race, gender, religion and sexual orientation. They love to divide Americans, make up fake “wars” and bolster envy and hatred… Then they make empty promises or hope and change, but NEVER deliver!
Haven’t you ever wondered why cities and states that have been run by liberal democrats for 40+ years are still the worst places to live? You’d think that in all that time, they’d have eliminated poverty, ended racism, and built the promised land… So, why hasn’t that happened? Maybe because their policies don’t work? Ever think of that?
Oh, you think they do? That’s what the socialists in the EU thought and now look at Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, etc… That’s the destiny of liberalism… It THAT your idea of the promised land?
paulo 977
May 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm
Jay
That kind of thing is very new and very dangerous
___________________________________________
Indeed , but remember it is very new that we have a black president!!!!
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
“I don’t know why you are engaging in dishonesty yet again. We’ve been over this umpteen times and yet you still engage in deception.”
No….say it isn’t so! JHM?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm
Thulsa Doom: Lemme know when you can actually use some researched links or some factual points to prove one of them thar lies that you accuse me of.
Shifting the burden of proof, AKA “I need not prove my claim true, you must prove it false.” Ten yard penalty.
Adam,
If you don’t know what’s going on you should just STFU. Becky keeps making generalized statements about con lies- just the usual generalized propoganda with no specifics. I simply asked her to point out exactly what LIE I am stating. She can’t. And then you come in not knowing what the hell you are talking about. No surprise there. BTW have you produced that link yet to back up your charge that the Rs were “constantly investigating Clinton for murder”?
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
It’s been reported that the jobless claims number headlines that we see don’t provide accuracy because they’re continually being revised upward after these reports have been made.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
“The business sector is too nervous to start hiring folks because of the uncertainty of this Obama economy”
Are you implying that there are companies who have known or projected demand that out paces their current capacity and they are not hiring or investing in infrastructure?
If this is the case at all, unless there are contractual requirements or some sort of propriety material or service required, why would the client stay with that company?
If there is no demand for said product or service that is another story, but I doubt that their are companies turning away good business because of who is in office
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
Greatest losses on American soil…?
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarbattles/tp/civil_war_battles.htm
This is not to mention the swath of absolute destruction which devasted an entire quarter of the nation’s land…
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
Adam,
Furthermore I never made any claims to Becky to prove. She simply came out spouting nonsense that I’m lying but offered no specifics. I can’t prove a claim to her that I never made son. If you knew what was going on between us rather than speaking out of pure, unadulterated ignorance you woulda known that. But you chose the route of ignorance. Unfortunate but not unexpected.
JohnnyReb
May 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
I’m arriving 7 pages into this one, so I guess stating Jay’s piece to be ridiculous would be redundant.
Obama is, however, the most divisive president in my lifetime and that includes back to Ike.
Why would Republicans compromise on policies where even the smallest compromise is diametrically opposed to their idiology?
The most outrageous part of this is how the healthcare bill was passed. And after that, you really think we are going to play nice?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:18 pm
on the war on women
remember men
the rules of the geneva convention do not apply
we can use GAS
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:18 pm
The unemployment rate is already down to 8.2% even without any help from the Party of No.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
4:18 pm
“Greatest losses on American soil…?”
Civil war was not in view, Josef, but an attack from without.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
JohnnyReb
Have to disagree…I remember Johnson and Nixon and the divisiveness that threatened the collapse of society…the closest we have come to revolution since 1861. Obama is no where near those two…
JohnnyReb
May 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:18 pm
The unemployment rate is already down to 8.2% even without any help from the Party of No.
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Not to worry, the prostitute media and White House number magic will have it down below 8 before November.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:22 pm
Crier
That depends on how you define attack from without, now, doesn’t it…?
And, then, there’s still that little set-to in 1812…not to mention the Goliad events of the 1830s…
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:22 pm
A friend of mine in the residential housing industry said his business is BOOMing. He’s having to turn away work. Of course, he only works for Democrats because they pay their bills.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
4:23 pm
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
It’s been reported that the jobless claims number headlines that we see don’t provide accuracy because they’re continually being revised upward after these reports have been made.
The economics professor on the radio was talking about that exact same point. The unemployment numbers that are reported are lower then they actually are. His point is that the media is helping to get the employment numbers below 8% by November to give Obama a chance at being re-elected. Of course, 95% of the Bookman Brigade will disagree, and make ridiculous comments, but I have come to expect that from the folks who grovel at the feet of the democratic party and Jay Bookman.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:24 pm
Not to worry, the prostitute media and White House number magic will have it down below 8 before November.
Yep. Those secret service agents are helping to bring down global unemployment, aren’t they. Someone should tell them that they need to spend that cash here in the states though.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
” Someone should tell them that they need to spend that cash here in the states though.”
In Nevada, are you thinking?
JohnnyReb
May 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
Greetings and Best Wishes, josef. Let me please expand my comment. On Obama it’s not just his policies, as I believe was the case with LBJ and Trickie. Obama has set a path to reelection that depends a large part on class warfare. He talks about it, his minons promote it.
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
4:27 pm
Uncle @ 4:18,
Try that dutch oven on a woman who’s ready for it, and you might just get broiled in a whole new way. Heh…
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
4:27 pm
“Of course, he only works for Democrats because they pay their bills.”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
4:27 pm
“Obama has set a path to reelection that depends a large part on class warfare. He talks about it, his minons promote it.”
I guess his former supporter Jon Lovitz has been none too happy about it.
JohnnyReb
May 3rd, 2012
4:28 pm
TaxPayer – Limbaugh spent quite some time today on this very subject. I was distracted by of all things work, but there was sometthing about, I think, AP having an article on the rate being down in time to boost Obama. Apparently with nothing but speculation to back it up.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:28 pm
CASUAL
you missed it yesterday when i pointed out to jay how the liberal media was hiding the jobs numbers report from wed because they came in way lower than expected
he nearly wet himself trying to dismiss they #’s saying that you can’t go by those cause the REVISE them
yet when he sees a # to TRY to prove his point he wets himself trying to post it and becomes a hippo-crit by trying to use #’s he claimed you can’t go by
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
Pretty.
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
on the war on women
remember men
the rules of the geneva convention do not apply
we can use GAS
Well, Uncle Samantha, at least you can find comfort in the arms of another man
) Good for you!
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
“His point is that the media is helping to get the employment numbers below 8% by November to give Obama a chance at being re-elected”
I will personally write a letter to the President, every Democratic Senator as well as Congressmen condemning their actions if you can prove that the unemployment number equation is any different before Obama took office and how it is calculated today………..
The media now has the power to assist in changing the unemployment numbers???
hahahahahahahahhahahah
Crank up the Doobie Bros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7-BBADPAvE
And it is the “Bookman Brigade” making ridiculous statements?
You either heard the man incorrectly, you are interpreting incorrectly, lying or just lost in space………..
Either way enjoy the tune
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
think about this men
there was a time when
women could not vote
were considered property
they were seen and not heard
the good ole days
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:32 pm
JohnnyReb
Not to put too fine a point on the semantics here, but by class warfare are you referring just to economic class? The reason I say that goes back to the Johnson-Nixon years when the society was polarized into two classes…the pros and the contras…not so much economic as ideological…
And I will grant that today’s polarization is much more ideological than economic…
Imauo, it’s a clash between the two wings of the centrists at the election of president level…Harvey Milquetoast Romeny vs Harvey Milquetoast Obama…
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
4:33 pm
think about this men
there was a time when
women could not vote
were considered property
they were seen and not heard
the good ole days
It is good that you find such comfort in arms and company of other men. And I think it’s wonderful that you don’t have any problems admitting it.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:34 pm
and remember this men
the war on women includes LIBERAL MEN
they are more female than anybody
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
4:36 pm
and remember this men
the war on women includes LIBERAL MEN
they are more female than anybody
Ahh, Uncle Samantha, so you prefer twinks. I would have guessed you as more of a bear man.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
4:36 pm
C.O., That might also explain why Obama’s campaign managers don’t want to go there boldly in an attempt to sell improving jobless numbers because they’re afraid that might cause the inconvenient truth to come out. They’re content to allow the media to build a false perception of improvement.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:36 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
“were considered property”
The good ole days, eh? Guess we gotta get back to Mississippi 1839 to reinstitute that one, eh? And then to Louisiana, 1810… Them d*mned Indians and French!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 3rd, 2012
4:36 pm
Well, when we get in the White House there ain’t going to be any of this divisiveness. We’ll just run rough-shod over the librul Democrats and pretent they’re not there. You can’t have feuding if there’s nobody to feud with.
Anyways, just tell me whose butt to smooch and when. I’m so low on the totem pole I’d need a stepladder to touch a snake’s belly. It’s all the same to me but if I can just see the freeloaders get their comeuppance I’ll be a happy man. Politics are all about sticking it to somebody you don’t like. And I want to stick it to the welfare mamas, the geezers, and the Gays real bad. And I’m overdue for another Tax Cut.
Have a good night everybody.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
4:37 pm
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:22 pm
If his business is booming, like you say it is, it is because of the record amount of foreclosures on the market today, thanks to Barney Franks and Chris Dodd. By offering ‘cash for keys’ and other options to help home owners get out of their homes, I am sure that realtors are really cleaning up on these below market value homes whose values have decreased by some 40%. I can assure you, he may be selling a boat load of these, but he is not making any money.
But I am sure Obama will come up with another stimulus plan that will really help your friend.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:37 pm
wow
listen to the the PROGRESSIVEs who are HOMOPHOBIC
HIPPO-CRITS
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
4:38 pm
Homsexuals don’t scare me. But that’s really rich comimng from a woman hater
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:39 pm
war on women
men
let us shut down production of feminine hygiene products………….. let them make, distribute and stock them themselves
stop importing shoes and purses
let them work the longshoreman docks to bring in those items from china
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
4:40 pm
Adam
May 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm
Thulsa Doom: Lemme know when you can actually use some researched links or some factual points to prove one of them thar lies that you accuse me of.
Shifting the burden of proof, AKA “I need not prove my claim true, you must prove it false.” Ten yard penalty.
________________________________________________________________
Adam, you do realize she called Doomy a liar and he was asking her for proof of his “lie”, right?
Of course you did.
You wouldn’t wanna be a kneejerk, partisan hack would you?
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:40 pm
LMW1964
“Ahh, Uncle Samantha, so you prefer twinks. I would have guessed you as more of a bear man”
Oooooo! You didn’t say that!
263 more days
May 3rd, 2012
4:40 pm
Will someone please tell me how a less than 2% growth rate is good. Hell after the GREAT DEPRESSION the growth rate was over 7%……………Great job, O’Bama
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:40 pm
i hope you know i am happily engaged to the beautiful and loving Ms. Ana Gystic
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
The media is in the back pocket of this administration. The folks that the left accuse of lying are actually reporting what is really happening, and thank God for them.
Obama 2012 – Hype & Blame
Yup, GNN, the Goebbels News Network!
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
men
let us shut down production of feminine hygiene products………….. let them make, distribute and stock them themselves
Have at it. Do you think that tampons and feminine napkins have always been in existence? We did something before that, didn’t we? How about just give us one of your shirts to wad up? That’ll work just fine.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
Casual
You must have gotten busy………. I am prepared to write those letters………. lets drop the talk and lets see the walk
Take care now
Mighty Righty
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
Jay you are defending the indefenseable. I can’t believe you think we are this stupid. This president has not offered one policy that will reduce the size of government, not one policy that will reduce the cost of government, not one suggestion that will increase our liberty and freedom or reduce our tax burden, not one suggestion to improve the economic enviroinment for business. All of his policies and statements have been focused on and directed against business, banks, corporations, oil comapanies, stock traders, wall street, and any financially success of any kind. Before this president, has anyone ever heard of a United States President accuse so many Americaqns and businesses of GREED! Never! His method has been to create a we they atmosphere of rich versus poor by blaming the current temporary economic problems many of which his policies have made worse, on a phony enemy to enable him to increase regulatons and control by the very government that has caused the mess we are in. His method of creating class warfare and unrest is straight from the socialist handbook on how to bring down capitalism. His regulations are designed to keep business afraid. His recent decision to keep an enemies list of corporations that donate to Republicans is an example of the kind of leader is is. If Republicans standing up for the Constitution, Capitalism, Free Enterprise, Freedom and the rule of law is divisive, so be it.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
“let us shut down production of feminine hygiene products………….. let them make, distribute and stock them themselves”
Easy to make at home.
“stop importing shoes and purses let them work the longshoreman docks to bring in those items from china”
Easy to make at home.
That’s all you got? REALLY?
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
Uncle,
Disposing of the evidence will be easy, since nobody will miss you or come looking for you for… probably EVER.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
I don’t think we can afford the Republican approach to bringing jobs to us. Looking at Deal’s approach, he spent 750 million in tax revenue to get 6000 jobs and that still leaves Georgia with almost 240,000 still unemployed. At that rate, he would have to give up another 30 billion in state and local tax revenue to get the remaining unemployed jobs. Those are some pricey jobs and if you assume that the jobs average out to the national average of about $48,000 in annual wages and that even if the state collected six percent on the whole amount, it would take over 40 years to recoup the lost tax revenue from those new workers.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
4:44 pm
Out guys. Good day.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:44 pm
LMW1964
Purdah maybe?
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:44 pm
If MR had to prove that 4:42 with facts, well, that would be… how you say… a miracle.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
4:45 pm
LMW1964,
I think I knows what you mean in this war on women. I just looked out the window and saw a pack of middle aged white men, ostensibly conservatives, chasing down and shooting women in the streets. I think Eric Holder sold them the guns.
These crazy cons are worse than the rampaging band of telephone pole thieves that hit the county a few weeks ago.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 3rd, 2012
4:45 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
think about this men
there was a time when
women could not vote
were considered property
they were seen and not heard
the good ole days
You have to admire the muslim world!
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
4:45 pm
Where’s My Party?
May 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
“You do recall that GWB “won” the presidency via a SCOTUS ruling, do you not? And you do recall that there was a great amount of animosity towards Bush because of that, do you not?”
I have said on here before and will say it again, this was where it all started. The left lost their collective crap after Bush won the election over Gore (however you think it was won) and it has been all downhill ever since. Both parties are guilty. The fringe on both sides took over and and both are to blame. It ebbs and flows with which side is the bigger fool, but it is laughable at best to point your finger at the other side while saying “not our fault, it’s their fault”. The political landscape is horrifically damaged with both sides so entrenched that it may not be possible for us to come out of it. This country needs a statesman and a leader, not a politician.
Obama and Romney are neither. I don’t have an answer for who is.
____________________________________________________________________________
^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2 Snaps in a circle for that!
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:46 pm
i hope you know i am happily engaged to the beautiful and loving Ms. Ana Gystic
Sounds like an inflated claim to me.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
4:46 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
I really don’t care what you do as far as writing letters, calling folks, wetting your pants, etc. But yes, the media has the power to control what is being reported. Remember Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, 60 Minutes? They reported a story on GWB as news using a fake document.
Now, looks like a few others here on this blog heard the same person on the radio as I did. I do not know your credentials, but this guy seemed to know what he was talking about, and he is not a parrot for either party like you are for the dems and the Bookman Brigade.
JohnnyReb
May 3rd, 2012
4:47 pm
josef – both Johnson and Nixon had groups disagreeing with what they wanted to do, but I don’t recall either LBJ or Nixon making speeches other than to try and bring the sides together. Whereas Obama is pitting groups against each other. Maybe I was asleep at the wheel with Johnson and Nixon, but that is my recollection.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 3rd, 2012
4:48 pm
Obama a divider? Never seen so many libs so vociferously attack the haves. It sucks to be an arts major or try finding a job with a history degree in this economy eh?
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
4:48 pm
Their chief argument is that Obama’s attacks on the wealthy are meant to incite class warfare and a heightened us-versus-them mentality never seen before in present-day politics.
ATTACKS on the wealthy?
Attack me, please! Attack me with some of that endless welfare!
That these lower middle class members of the Ostrich Party are programmed to kiss wealthy asses and fervently pray for some of that trickle down, is interesting, but not useful.
There is and has been a devastating class war against the middle class in this country.
And our lower middle class Republicans?
They not only lost the war, they helped kill their own.
Inexplicable…
Steve Atl
May 3rd, 2012
4:48 pm
“You can come along for the ride…but you have to be in the back seat” – Barack Obama (the “Bridge Builder” to Republicans).
Jay – You are in the early stages of dementia…seek professional help.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
4:48 pm
“he spent 750 million in tax revenue to get 6000 jobs and that still leaves Georgia with almost 240,000 still unemployed.”
Reminds me a whole lot of the stimulus that the libs still seem to think worked wonders. Except that the stimulus was near a trillion dollars.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:50 pm
If his business is booming, like you say it is, it is because of the record amount of foreclosures on the market today
Nope. He’s not doing any foreclosures. Most of his work is additions and remodeling for people looking to upgrade.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
4:51 pm
JohnnyReb
I will agree to a certain extent on LBJ and Trickie not making a lot of speeches…they let their surrogates do it for them. Who can ever forget Agnew?
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
4:52 pm
Casual
Once again, produce the facts for what you assert……… which was the media is working to get the unemployment numbers down?
Can you prove that or not?
I’m sure that nice fellow on the radio might have a website, the host of the show might have a website, etc
Should not be hard for you to prove, right?
Don’t worry about CNN, CBS, MSNCB, FOX, WSB, WGN……..
back with facts what you said or say you cant do it because it isn’t true but it sounded good to you so you ran with it…….
If you don’t like Obama or his policies there is plenty to go after, but to post your usual factless bull$hit is meaningless…………
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
4:52 pm
All of his policies and statements have been focused on and directed against business, banks, corporations, oil comapanies, stock traders, wall street, and any financially success of any kind.
Again, I say.
PLEASE, direct some of those policies at me!
I’ll suffer through every one of them!
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
4:53 pm
Towncrier, did you bring your dance shoes?
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
4:53 pm
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
I don’t think we can afford the Republican approach to bringing jobs to us. Looking at Deal’s approach, he spent 750 million in tax revenue to get 6000 jobs and that still leaves Georgia with
almost 240,000 still unemployed.
If you think that is bad, I would recommend you not look up what Obama did with all that stimulus money. And where are all those ’shovel ready jobs’ he promised?
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
4:54 pm
That’s right, Thula, there is nothing at ALL wrong with lawmakers trying to make women carry dead babies inside of them until the dead baby become septic and puts the womans life at immediate risk. It’s good for her, right? Builds character? You know what else would build character? If they started doing men’s protate exams with a trans-vaginal ultrasound wand. I’d just love to see that.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
4:56 pm
263 more days
May 3rd, 2012
4:40 pm
Will someone please tell me how a less than 2% growth rate is good.
Its easy really. In this brave new world of doubletalk 3% growth during W’s middle years was bad, bad, bad. And nevermind Reagan’s 7% growth 2 1/2 years into his presidency after the horrible 81-81 recession- it was bad, bad, bad. Now 2% under O in his 4th year in office is blistering economic growth that knocks your socks off.
Now about that 5 trillion in new debt that O added in only a little over 3 years? The Dems say- What debt?
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
4:57 pm
“His point is that the media is helping to get the employment numbers below 8% by November to give Obama a chance at being re-elected.”
You have the info that the media is working with the Obama Administration to do has you stated or that the unemployment calculations have been changed by the Administration, right?
Post it……….
hahahahahahahah
Blame others for what you can’t back up…….. what a riot
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:57 pm
the fresh prince is wise
women are to walk behind men
and we get to cheat and they have to be faithful
and if they do cheat
stone them to death
mohamed was a brilliant man
Jefferson
May 3rd, 2012
4:58 pm
If the GOP policies were so good, they would still be in power.
JohnnyReb
May 3rd, 2012
4:58 pm
josef – the truth is, I’m a Johnny come lately to politics. I did not give it the attention then as I do now. That is one of my failings in life.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 3rd, 2012
4:58 pm
a new minority
democratic homophobes
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
5:00 pm
So the Republicans have grown sensitive over the widely disseminated phrase War on Women.
To take their feelings into consideration, I’ll henceforth refer to it as the more cumbersome, Full Scale GOP Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights.
Now that is a name that even the Republicans themselves can agree with!
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 3rd, 2012
5:00 pm
If you think that is bad, I would recommend you not look up what Obama did with all that stimulus money. And where are all those ’shovel ready jobs’ he promised?
The shovel ready jobs are going to be planting your own food because you can’t afford to buy it after O’buffoon gets done raising taxes on EVERYONE to pay for his spendaholic policies…
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
5:00 pm
josef, what do you think of Mz Warrens “cheekbones” statement?
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:00 pm
JohnnyReb
No problem there. I was “politicized” early on…! That is one of MY failings in life…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:01 pm
Black Guy
Fill me in…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:02 pm
TBG
I know would say that comment was pretty lame to say the least………
Mass gets to keep a RINO or a left of center Dem………. They will be ok either way
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
5:02 pm
LMW1964,
SO how long do they got to carry the dead fetus around? A couple minutes? A week ? Month? Year? How long the cons gonna make them carry it? I can only surmise that if cons are making women carry around dead fetuses its to slow them down with “dead weight” so to speak. It makes them slower, easier targets to shoot in their war on women. I just looked out the window and theose conservative men shot shot another woman. Heck I think that one is even wearing a vote Romney button.
Makes me long for the days of the rampaging telephone pole thieves instead. They were a treacherous and barbarous lot indeed but they weren’t waging war on women- just telphone poles.
USMC
May 3rd, 2012
5:07 pm
Laughably,
ELIZABETH WARREN: I called myself Native American to make friends…
http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20220502warren_i_used_minority_listing_to_make_friends
It’s the new Vogue in DemocRat circles… you claim you are a minority to make friends! Now that’s intelligent!
LOL! What a JOKE!
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:07 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
4:52 pm
His name was Stuart Varney. Unfortunately, I can’t pull a transcript down for you, or post a link to what he said. Besides, you wouldn’t agree with anything he said anyway, so what is the point. I googled his name, and he is on Fox Business, which to a lefty is nothing but lies anyway
All I can tell you is what I heard. You can either believe him or not. As for me, I really don’t give a dam# what you think or believe. The jobs number comes out on major networks, then a few days later, you will see an obscure piece somewhere on line that revises the numbers that were reported, and that number is always higher then what was originally reported on. Go find it yourself. I have neither the time or the effort to do your work for you.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:08 pm
TBG
How was the ride this past weekend?
Lupus walk went pretty well……… Good day hanging out at the park
barking frog
May 3rd, 2012
5:10 pm
Romney now has endorsement from all
primary losers/quitters.
That should put him over
the top.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
5:11 pm
“jobs number comes out on major networks, then a few days later, you will see an obscure piece somewhere on line that revises the numbers that were reported, and that number is always higher then what was originally reported on”
And that has been happening since the inception of keep those job numbers. It’s not unique to this administration. And despite your blatant lie about it, no they don’t ALWAYS change to a higher number.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
5:12 pm
TBS, I think CO is saying that when the jobless claim numbers get reported as headlines and then when they typically get revised upward, there’s no reporting of the uptick because the real truth is that we’re not seeing necessary improvement, which constitutes a job recovery. It’s kind of suspicious.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:12 pm
Casual
Just as I thought……….. You and those others on here who you stated heard the man haven’t backed up your assertion……
Why? Because you have nothing, nada, zero, zilch
It is that simple. It is ok
You were challenged and couldn’t back it up..
It happens man…… to the best of us
The guy sold you a bill of goods and you bit, hook, line and sinker…….. didn’t even require a net to get you in the boat……. you just jumped in
But anytime between now and the election if you can back up that assertion, please post the info regardless of the current topic being discussed.
Thanks and have a great night
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:13 pm
Black Guy
Got it. Warren is a Southerner by ancestry. 40% of White Southerners and 50% of Black Americans have Indian ancestry. I don’t find her “claim” at all unusual. She makes no claim to special programs due to her ancestry (I assume no CDIB card). This is an extremely complicated issue for those who do not understand the history of this part of the country and especially as relates to the Removal process and the Dawes Roll process. Suffice it here to say that according to some research, there are some 9 million souls worldwide who are of Cherokee ancestry…
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
5:15 pm
I remember something about an economic stimulus too. I think there was something like 300 billion handed out in the form of tax benefits and another 225 billion that went toward things like Medicaid and Medicare and unemployment benefits and social security and food stamps, etc. The remainder of the 840 billion total went toward stuff like education and transportation and infrastructure, etc.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:18 pm
Recon
Government making revisions is nothing new. Happens with every administration. To that I get your point. To the point that the media is working with Obama to get the numbers down or the calculations have changed is pure unsubstantiated bs.
An 8.0 rate or whatever in Oct revised up to an 8.18 isn’t going to be a saving grace for Obama if the people are done with him
It is already evident that the overall numbers will not be great come November. What is the media going to say? 6.2% and the revision comes out at 8.175……
come on now
USMC
May 3rd, 2012
5:18 pm
“Romney now has endorsement from all primary losers/quitters.That should put him over
the top.”–Barking Frog
Well it seemed to work for Comrade Obama… Didn’t JOHN EDWARDS endorse Obama in 2008???
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
5:20 pm
They BOTH suck,
That’s an issue that’s been talked about a few times of late. I don’t know if its true that its worse under this administration regarding the jobs numbers but lately the numbers have been getting revised downward as I understand it. The question is whether or not its really endemic to the O administration in an effort to initially present numbers that make the administration look good before later revising them downward.
As for Stuart Vuarney he is on the Fox business news channel. Kinda hard to quote someone or provide a link when they are on tv. He is a pretty knowledgeable guy though in terms of businesss.
barking frog
May 3rd, 2012
5:21 pm
USMC
Don’t remember. Don’t
care.
USMC
May 3rd, 2012
5:23 pm
“Don’t remember. Don’t care.”–Barking Frog
That’s we all thought.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:24 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:12 pm
If I had a link to the audio file, I would be more than happy to share it, I don’t know what else to say. You can believe it or not believe it, I don’t give a dam#.
It must suck trying to defend this a$$hole. It is OK though, he will be gone in January.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:25 pm
TD
Casual made the comment about the Fox Nes guest and I believe he said something like “I believe him”…. That may not be a direct quote, but it was something very close.
I asked him to back the assertions….. He couldn’t. Simple as that.
The unemployment number calculation has not changed. There is no one anywhere who has stepped up with evidence that the Obama Administration is working with the media “to get the numbers” down.
How the f would they be doing that when the revisions come out within a few weeks………….
People falling off the rolls is a valid point, however the calculations are the same……….
barking frog
May 3rd, 2012
5:26 pm
USMC
What has the 08 democratic
primary got to do with the
012 republican primary?
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:27 pm
USMC
See my earlier comments on Warren and her ancestry..then see me after class. You need a little remediation in American History…
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
5:27 pm
That Elizabeth Warren is so despise by these neutered labradoodles in Georgia is to me, damn funny.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
It is OK though, he will be gone in January.
Another bookie’s wet dream…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:29 pm
Casual
Keep crying if you like…….. I asked you to back up a portion of what you posted and apparently agree with……..
You can’t back it up fine……….
No big deal, no hard feelings
No mess, no fuss
Obama may very well lose and we get a flip flopping RINO as opposed to a flip flopping Obama……. If the RINO doesn’t marry up too close with the social conservatives, he might do a good job………
Time will tell
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
5:30 pm
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:01 pm
Black Guy
Fill me in…
__________________________________________________________________
You’ve heard all the kerfluffle about Mz Warren claiming minority status by saying she is part Chreokee.
They are having problems proving it.
She is stating, as proof, that her “grandfather had high cheekbones, like all Indians do”.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:30 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
5:20 pm
You are more reasonable then these other clowns on here, so let me explain. I heard him on the radio, not sure if he was live in studio, on a recording, or it was from a TV appearance. Some a$$hat here is screaming he wants proof of what he said. Typical, they can’t defend Obama, they just start screaming insane sh!t to make them look like they know what they are talking about.
I do not have the knowledge of Stuart Varney about the employment numbers, but he seemed to be a pretty smart guy. He didn’t sound partisan to me at all, he was just telling it like it is. Libs can’t defend against it, so they jump all over the messenger and ignore the message. Typical.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:30 pm
Casual
Just so you know……….. While I haven’t watched Fox Business News that often, I watch Fox more than any other news / entertainment channel
entertainment meaning Hanitty, Oreilly, etc
and that goes for Maddow, Oberman, etc
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:31 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
5:20 pm
You are more reasonable then these other clowns on here, so let me explain. I heard him on the radio, not sure if he was live in studio, on a recording, or it was from a TV appearance. Some idiot here is screaming he wants proof of what he said. Typical, they can’t defend Obama, they just start screaming insane sh!t to make them look like they know what they are talking about.
I do not have the knowledge of Stuart Varney about the employment numbers, but he seemed to be a pretty smart guy. He didn’t sound partisan to me at all, he was just telling it like it is. Libs can’t defend against it, so they jump all over the messenger and ignore the message. Typical.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:32 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
5:20 pm
You are more reasonable then these other clowns on here, so let me explain. I heard him on the radio, not sure if he was live in studio, on a recording, or it was from a TV appearance. Some idiot here is screaming he wants proof of what he said. Typical, they can’t defend Obama, they just start screaming insane crap to make them look like they know what they are talking about.
I do not have the knowledge of Stuart Varney about the employment numbers, but he seemed to be a pretty smart guy. He didn’t sound partisan to me at all, he was just telling it like it is. Libs can’t defend against it, so they jump all over the messenger and ignore the message. Typical.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
5:34 pm
TBO, I was only pointing out that after the headlines come out advising new jobless claims they’ve been getting revised upward and those upticks don’t get reported. It makes it appear on the surface as an improving jobless claims picture when in reality it isn’t. Is the main stream media purposely misreporting the facts? There’s no proof that they are but there’s no proof that they’re not. It’s just suspicious.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
Black Guy
Like I said, this is an extremely complex matter for folks who are ignorant of the history. The Cherokee have their own version of the one-drop rule…only it’s inclusive and not exclusive… The problems “proving” it have to do with what went on during Removal. The Cherokee (and the other Southeastern Indians) were removed as NATIONS not as a “race.” The Cherokee had never used race as a criterion for determining Cherokee identity or citizenship. Hundreds of thousands of mixed bloods were not removed, being US citizens at the time of the Removals.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
uncle samantha- women could not vote, were considered property, they were seen and not heard
Sounds like one of those third world countries the liberal like to point to and say is better than ours.
pogo
May 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
Obamacare harbors the true war on women. Under Obamacare, they will receive less preventive testing .Research it and read about it. Here is the link.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2009/11/17/government-panel-recommends-fewer-and-later-mammograms-no-self-exams/
Though it does not state that the recommendations are tied to Obamacare, why do you think they would make a recommendation like this in the first place if not for money? Pure insanity by another unknown government “panel”. They obviously don’t know about the young woman I know who is 32 years of age that if not for having an annual breast exam, would be dead now.
As is for all of the people who are now covered by private insurance that are fbout to be forced into Obamacare because their employers are going to drop them, preventive testing will become rarer and rarer for everyone because of the costs. People over 50 will triaged according to their productive years and the disease they are sufferring from. Some group of idiotic, unqualified and faceless government employees somewhere will make the decision on whether you get the treatment you need or not.
Obama is all about division. He wants it, he thrives on it and he depends on it. Just as Sharpton, Jackson and a host of others have. Obama does not want the races to get along because if they did, he would be out of a job. Obama can’t rely upon his skills as a leader because he has absolutely none. Very few have any real confidence in him and those that do only do for radical political reasons. This next election is slipping away from Obama and all he can do is blame, blame, blame. He has done nothing for us as a nation or as its leader. His radical followers are desperate and are trying to find anything to try to salvage it for him. Jay’s piece here is proof enough of that.
Jay
May 3rd, 2012
5:37 pm
Casual, as the Washington Post reported, the opposite is often true: In 2011, the initial job creation numbers as a rule were too LOW, meaning they made the economy look worse than it was, and were later revised UP in that “obscure piece somewhere on line.”
I quote from http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/revisions-added-260000-jobs-in-2011/2012/01/06/gIQALYoveP_blog.html
“… in 2011, the initial jobs numbers typically got revised upwards. By a lot. If you only paid attention to the initial monthly estimates, then the U.S. economy added 1.38 million jobs last year. But when you take final revisions into account, the economy actually added 1.64 million jobs — and that’s not including final revisions for November and December.”
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
5:37 pm
nine pages of conservative flailing and desperately trying to change the subject.
just keep on flinging that poo, guys.
you are predictable, if nothing else.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:37 pm
“His point is that the media is helping to get the employment numbers below 8% by November to give Obama a chance at being re-elected.”
Just looking for substantiation……… that’s all
Nothing more, nothing less
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:39 pm
BLACK GUY
As for the comment on high cheekbones…three features, high cheekbones, wide forehead and aquiline nose are highly prized among the mixed bloods as part of that inheritance. Thus, her comment.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
5:40 pm
They both suck,
Like I said. Kinda hard to link to a guy commentating on the business news. ALso the revision numbers are not as widely reported.
Now in regards to unemployment what we probably should be paying more attention to is the labor participation rate. Focusing on the unemployment rate doesn’t make the economy under O look nearly as bad as focusing on the lack of labor force participation.
Here is an interesting link on that where USA today is referenced in a Fox newscast so even though its a fox newscast which liberals automatically dismiss the article they reference is from liberal USAToday.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1458461963001/bias-bash-is-the-media-misrepresenting-employment-numbers
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:42 pm
“There’s no proof that they are but there’s no proof that they’re not. It’s just suspicious.”
And there in lies a part of the problem when it comes to discourse…….. Too many lefty and righty loonies want to run with unsubstantiated info, do know homework and claim it is the truth
Goes on everyday on this board, on the radio, tv, news papers…..
And I want to stress that many on the “left” are just as bad on any given issue at doing this
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:42 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:37 pm
Just looking for substantiation……… that’s all
Nothing more, nothing less
Then find the audio file with Stuart Varney. I can’t, and you are obsessed with it. I only wrote what I heard. Jeez….
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
5:42 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:08 pm
TBG
How was the ride this past weekend?
_______________________________________________________________
It was nice. Weather was great for riding. Met a lot of cool folk.
I’m looking into doing another in a few weeks for Breast Cancer.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
As far as trying to get the neocons to return to the days of reasoned give and take or a settlement of differences by mutual concession, I don’t think that is possible.
Hell, this abysmal Republican Mafia doesn’t even tolerate dissent in their own purity tested ranks…
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
5:37 pm
nine pages of conservative flailing and desperately trying to change the subject.
More like 9 pages of the libs being clearly on their heels in backpedaling warp speed.
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
5:44 pm
no comments about Junior Seau?
I believe Jay did a column not long ago about former and present NFL players suffering from brain injuries.
It has me wondering if that’s what happened to Junior too. He shot himself in the chest, preserving his brain for study.
Poor guy.
I really liked him. He was a stand up guy.
I feel for his family
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:44 pm
TD
Thanks. Will check it out.
As I mentioned earlier. People falling off the roles is another issue. That is not the same as calculations changing or “the media working to get the numbers down”
I don’t even comprehend what that means unless someone can provide proof
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
5:44 pm
Jam @5:43 — ain’t that the truth.
saywhat?
May 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
The Republicans want the bottom 99% of Americans, whose fortunes have been declining, to make sacrifices for the benefit of the top 1%, whose fortunes have been growing. Obama wants the top 1% to make sacrifices to benefit the bottom 99%. Most Americans, including many of the 1%, agree with Obama. Seems to me like he is the one uniting more people.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
casual observer- The jobs number comes out on major networks, then a few days later, you will see an obscure piece somewhere on line that revises the numbers that were reported, and that number is always higher then what was originally reported on
Unemployment numbers have been adjusted upward 15 weeks in a row. I’m sure it has nothing to do with obama’s re-election campaign…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:47 pm
TBG
Cool. That is awesome you take time to participate in various charities…….. Raise money and awareness as well as getting in a good ride
That is a winner, winner chicken dinner…….. all the way around
LMW1964
May 3rd, 2012
5:47 pm
SO how long do they got to carry the dead fetus around? A couple minutes? A week ? Month?
However long it takes for a dead body inside of a living body to become septic. I’d say that’s at least a week or two, but I haven’t researched it. I will, if you’d like, but I can see it makes no difference to you. You’re fine watching your wife, daughter, sister, whomever, walk around with a dead baby in her womb, just waiting for the infection to set into her own body deeply enough that doctors think it looks like she might die, along with her already dead baby. I have to say, that’s pretty disgusting, but it you’re OK with it, that’s all good.
I guess the war on women is as much a fantasy as class warfare and the war on the rich. So we can just call it a wash then, huh?
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
5:48 pm
nine pages of conservative flailing and desperately trying to change the subject.
Imagine that, Midori!
Our cons having no rebuttals.
I’m shocked!
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:48 pm
Thulsa,
This was a video from February of this year. Not the audio I heard this morning, but the topic of discussion is very close to what Stuart Varney was talking about.. And if I remember correctly, I stated that the media is in the back pocket of the administration. This video clip substantiates what Stuart was talking about.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1458461963001/bias-bash-is-the-media-misrepresenting-employment-numbers
Sorry TBS I could not find the ‘actual’ audio I heard, but this is what Staurt was talking about.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:48 pm
saywhat
An interesting thing about that, percentagewise I would go that a greater percentage of the 1% than the 99% would agree with President Obama…
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
Black Guy
Like I said, this is an extremely complex matter for folks who are ignorant of the history. The Cherokee have their own version of the one-drop rule…only it’s inclusive and not exclusive… The problems “proving” it have to do with what went on during Removal. The Cherokee (and the other Southeastern Indians) were removed as NATIONS not as a “race.” The Cherokee had never used race as a criterion for determining Cherokee identity or citizenship. Hundreds of thousands of mixed bloods were not removed, being US citizens at the time of the Removals
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josef, thanks for the info. I just wanted to get your take on the issue as I knew you wouldn’t automatically take a *she’s on my side so I MUST defend her* attitude.
Jay
May 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
Pogo, the agency that made those recommendations, the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, has nothing whatsoever to do with ObamaCare. It was created in 1984, under Ronald Reagan. So maybe you ought to take up your sad little conspiracy theory with him.
Furthermore, the fact that conservatives opposed the task force recommendations proves my thesis. The task force said that taxpayers’ money was being wasted on mammograms that don’t do much ifa any good. Rather than embrace the chance to reduce waste — supposedly the conservatives’ obsession — the right wing used it as a chance to attack Obama.
Nothing matters more than attacking Obama, and every issue will be distorted and twisted in such a way as to provide ammunition for such attacks.
McDonut
May 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
God bless those spontaneous little window shatterers in Seattle. They are speaking their mind and speaking out. God bless them.
saywhat?
May 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:42 pm
“Then find the audio file with Stuart Varney. I can’t, and you are obsessed with it. I only wrote what I heard. Jeez….”
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I heard Albert Einstein, Ronald Reagan, and the Pope all say that the downfall of America will be at the hands of right wing nuts. I can’t find the proof, but you go ahead and look for it. Since I wrote that I heard it, it must be true. Time to go eat dinner with… with… um…. Morgan Fairchild.
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
5:50 pm
JamVet — where’s that fainting couch when I need one?
Del must have bought out the entire stock ….
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
Casual
To be honest, if it wasn’t for that media part……… I probably would have let it go
Whether that was a direct quote or an interpretation……. it is unsubstantiated BS
To make that claim……. It would be nice to see some proof….. Bringing up some other incident that has noting to do with the claim in question is not substantiation
So I do apologize that it got personal and beyond a political / economic dialogue
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
Actually, they have been revised 56 of the last 57 weeks. Here is the link for those obsessed with proof.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/04/05/jobless-claims-keep-getting-revised-up/
I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)
May 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:39 pm
BLACK GUY
As for the comment on high cheekbones…three features, high cheekbones, wide forehead and aquiline nose are highly prized among the mixed bloods as part of that inheritance. Thus, her comment.
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I thought it was like saying “I know I’m Black because grandad had nappy hair”
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:52 pm
BLACK GUY
Thanks for the vote of confidence! And thanks for the opportunity to do my part to undo Yankee Sharia on Southern history…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
5:52 pm
Doom — “Joe Mama, I don’t know why you are engaging in dishonesty yet again. We’ve been over this umpteen times and yet you still engage in deception. When I used those stats to show the growth after the W tax custs I specifically used the data to show excxactly what happened when the tax cuts were fully implemented. In other words a specific set of purposely or in your words cherry picked data specifically to show what happened when the tax cuts were fully realized . It was that way on purpose to illustrate a point and with full disclosure. Why you continue to be dishonest about this in order to try and cast me in a bad light is beyond me.”
You SPECIFICALLY used cherrypicked data from the Heritage Foundation to bolster a point you were making — in the same thread in which you were calling out Nancy Pelosi for using cherrypicked data. You even admitted, once we looked at the data in detail, that Heritage had clearly excluded off months at the beginning and end of the Bush Administration that countered their argument.
Result: you relied on cherrypicked data.
“Are you just mad that I busted you on the actual months of recession vs non recession months between O and W?”
Doom, I don’t get mad at you any more. I just laugh at your ego, sonny.
“for you to continue to act as if it was dishonest is beneath contempt. Dispense with the dishonesty or just don’t bother talking to me anymore.”
Same to you. Dispense with the cherrypicking and the sleight of hand with your numbers, or else don’t bother talking to *me* any more.
Casual Observer
May 3rd, 2012
5:53 pm
saywhat?
May 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
Good for you. Just wake up from your nap?
#GrowUp
josef
May 3rd, 2012
5:54 pm
BLACK GUY
@ 5:51
Something like that!
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
5:56 pm
USMC- Well it seemed to work for Comrade Obama
Another glowing endorsement for obama: http://visiontoamerica.org/2891/communist-party-usa-officially-endorses-barack-obama/
Didn’t see that one coming…
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
5:58 pm
“He is the only governor in the history of the United States that has put into place socialized medicine in his state. And that’s going to be our nominee to stand up against president Obama?” ~Michelle B.
Amazing.
You stuck on stupid 1952 McCarthyites are getting ready to nominate a socialist!!
A damn liberal commie, pinko Massachusetts Marxist!
Oh excuse me. I meant a severely conservative commie, pinko, Massachusetts Marxist!
What rubes…
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
May 3rd, 2012
6:00 pm
This is absurd, even by your standards, Jay. The Occupy clowns are straight from Emperor Nero, or at least his minions. He plays the race card so much, I imagine he is missing an index finger. He can not run on anything he has accomplished, and so driving wedges in-between various segments of the population is his only useful strategy. It is all he knows.
Here is a headline for your next blog post that would be more believable – “I just flew to the moon in a Cessna and had a great two week vacation.”
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:00 pm
ZamVet
What’s a rube?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:02 pm
midori- nine pages of conservative flailing and desperately trying to change the subject. just keep on flinging that poo, guys.
Sorry we haven’t mastered the art like the Democrats have. I guess it would help if we had the liberal media propoganda machine backing us up.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:02 pm
VAST CONSPIRACY
Nero? Please explain that comparison…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
6:04 pm
Towncrier — “Before we talk about my hypocrisy (alleged by you)”
You complained about Obama supposedly politicizing the killing of OBL in an election year.
I pointed out that many candidates did the same thing with respect to 9/11 in 2008.
Then you admitted that you discounted the politicization of 9/11 when candidates otherwise suited you.
I then pointed out that you were perpetuating *exactly* what you were complaining about.
No pretzel logic there. Just rank hypocrisy on your part.
“why don’t you disprove your own first – you know the couple times I have directly challenged you to substantiate your claims about me by using the directly accessible *evidence* (as you might put it) on this very blog?”
Why don’t I disprove what you haven’t proven yet? Now *that* would be a trick. (laughing)
“Otherwise, shift out of reverse because I think a turn is coming up and your driving skills don’t impress me.”
And your brand of I-don’t-have-to-prove-anything “scholarship” doesn’t impress me.
“And when you do actually get off your butt to either validate or substantiate the specific evidentiary claims of spitting upon and throwing things at veterans over and against the claims of Lembcke slavishly followed by you, let us all know – okay?”
When you find some actual EVIDENCE, and not some polemic that contains otherwise unavailable alleged evidence, you let me know, okay?
For someone who bridles at being asked to substantiate his otherwise unsupported claims, you certainly seem to have no compunctions about demanding that other people go do your research work FOR you.
Once again, I’ve already *been* trying to validate the supposed ‘evidence’ you posted. And it’s not panning out, Champ. Guess you’ll have to go find some more.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:05 pm
jamvet- Our cons having no rebuttals
Hard to argue with someone when you can’t use rationality or common sense. But it’s your story, so just keep making up crap as you go along.
Still waiting on disgraced veteran John Kerry to come lick my core frams.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
6:05 pm
“What’s a rube?”
A non-Southern redneck!
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:05 pm
Vast Right Wing,
Do you think Oswald acted alone?
LOL. Just kidding.
How do you feel about your commie party getting ready to nominate a dead red liberal socialist?
Gator Joe
May 3rd, 2012
6:05 pm
Jay:
It bears repeating, If the current occupant of the White House was a white Repbublican, better yet an extreme Right Wing, White Republican, and the economic situation was as it is now, these hypocrites would be singing his praises for making the best of a bad situation he was handed by the previous administration.
From the moment President Obama was elected the Right did everything in their power to deligitimize and sabotage his presidency at the expense of the American people. If there is divisiveness it’s on the part of a too large segment of white America who will never accept Blacks, or for that matter any minorities, as equals. As long as bigotry and racism continues on the part of white America there will always be divisiveness in America.
solsenz
May 3rd, 2012
6:06 pm
That is laughable. Just look at the voting history. Facts talk. Lip service is just what is sounds like.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
6:07 pm
“Hard to argue with someone when you can’t use rationality or common sense”
When arguing with an indiot, it is wise to be certain he is not engaged in doing the same (to paraphrase, I’m sure)
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:07 pm
jkl — make that 10 pages.
where do you get all that manure?
you got a stable or something???
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:07 pm
Joe Mama,
Jesus H. Christ. You’re like a broken record. How many damn times does the same thing have to be explained to you. I used data from 2003-04 to explicity show what the direct effects of the realized tax cuts did for ensuing revenues in the immediate years afterwards. There is nothing fishy or really even cherrypicked about that. Economic data from several years later such as 2007-08 when the recession hit were irrelevant to the point I was making- which was that immediately after the W tax cuts were realized that the economy picked up steam in terms of economic growth. Just how dense are you?
The Pelosi argument was apples and oranges. My point was to show what happened in the economy in the immediate aftermath of when the W tax cuts were realized. This was explained to you and is now being explained to you for probably the 4 millionth damn time. Geez!
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:08 pm
2, I can *always* get you to sit up and beg for my attention.
So how does our Pinewood Derby champ feel about his socialist party getting ready to nominate a Taxachusetts socialist?
Is he severely conservative enough for you McCarthyites?
Chuckle…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:09 pm
Doggone
**************************
Did anybody catch Rachel Maddow’s commentary on Shep Smith last night…
Shepherd Smith/Rachel Maddow 2012!
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:09 pm
“where do you get all that manure?”
Simple. From copying and pasting Obama speeches.
Jay
May 3rd, 2012
6:09 pm
“He plays the race card so much, I imagine he is missing an index finger.”
Interesting. So give me a few of these apparently multiple multiple examples in which he has played the race card. I mean, other than the many mornings in which he had the audacity to wake up black. Other than those times….
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:10 pm
Casual
Just so we are both on the same page
You posted a jobless claim link I think to substantiate proof of the “media working to get unemployment numbers down”
Related? yes, however not exactly one in the same, but I do want to thank you for the link
barking frog
May 3rd, 2012
6:11 pm
It bothers me that with the
racial sensitivity shown on
this blog the same sensitivity
is not extended to the
mentally challenged.
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:11 pm
Josef,
I didn’t catch that commentary last night.
I’ve got to look for the video.
Jay
May 3rd, 2012
6:13 pm
Thulsa, you’re trying to defend the indefensible by arguing the incomprehensible.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:13 pm
jamvet- A damn liberal commie, pinko Massachusetts Marxist!
The only thing worst would re-elected the idiot in the White House. It would rank up there with DC re-electing crack whore Marion Berry or New Orleans re-electing school bus Nagin.
Romney might not be my first choice, but my lawn furniture could do a better job than obama.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:15 pm
casual
“related” meaning jobless claims and potential impact on unemployment
Not that the link is proof of the assertion made in terms of the media
have a great night
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:15 pm
but my lawn furniture could do a better job than obama.
doesn’t the constitution prevent Bush from running again?
granny godzilla & pops
May 3rd, 2012
6:16 pm
bottom line ladies and gent
the divisive situation exists because conservative economic policies created it.
not since the age of the robber barons have we seen such disparity.
clue to how bad this is…..they aren’t very proud of it.
except for that one romney guy….
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
midori
Here ya go,,,,
http://watching-tv.ew.com/2012/05/03/rachel-maddow-shepard-smith-fox-news-msnbc-newt-gingrich-mitt-romney/
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
midori- where do you get all that manure?
The usual sources: Jay Carney, DNC talking points, Huffington post, MSNBC, CNN, the AJC.
Can’t take a step without hitting a big pile of liberal BS here.
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
thank you, Josef
gonna watch now
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
The newt is a walking embarrassment for our country.
You should urge him to retire.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
6:19 pm
“Then you admitted that you discounted the politicization of 9/11 when candidates otherwise suited you.”
Okay…enough of this nonsense. I am going to start pegging you to the wall using YOUR playbook. Please show where I discounted the politicization of 9/11 and how I did so. Or, shut up.
“When you find some actual EVIDENCE, and not some polemic that contains otherwise unavailable alleged evidence, you let me know, okay?”
When you can provide evidence from the very blog for the assertions you make, let’s talk. Or, shut up.
“Once again, I’ve already *been* trying to validate the supposed ‘evidence’ you posted. And it’s not panning out, Champ. Guess you’ll have to go find some more.”
Really? So what have you invalidated thus far? Or is this more of the “I’m going to believe (over and against what commonsense says about human behavior) what a liberal sociologist wrote in the single book I have on the topic until you can show me proof on the Internet to the contrary AND personal testimony is invalid to me unless it agrees with my preconceived notions” game you like to play?
You know, there are only two liberal posters I find insufferable here. You are one and the other knows who he is. Go pander your sophistry and childishness to some other gullible poster.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:20 pm
“You even admitted, once we looked at the data in detail, that Heritage had clearly excluded off months at the beginning and end of the Bush Administration that countered their argument.”
In the analysis months were left off of the beginning of the W presidency because the tax cuts hadn’t been made and much less fully realized at that point in time. Why the hell would you include those months when making a point when they were in fact irrelevant to the point at hand regarding the effect of the tax cuts which came later? As for the later years they also are irrelevant. The point is what happened to growth in the immediate aftermath of the tax cuts? And no matter how many times you try to explain this to the mindless amongst us it still just doesn’t sink in. I can’t make it any simpler!
Oh my God! Will someone please rid me of the sheer idiocy of the galactically stupid?
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:21 pm
well JKL – It’s not as if you don’t contribute heavily to the heap.
P.S. — Scott is better than Charmin.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:21 pm
“The newt is a walking embarrassment for our country.”
Why limit it to our country, he’s an embarrassment to the homo sapiens species…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
6:21 pm
“Laughably, GOP wants to blame divisiveness on Obama”
** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun!”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard!”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat!”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish our enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
Barack Obama
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
6:21 pm
Doom — “Joe Mama, Jesus H. Christ. You’re like a broken record. How many damn times does the same thing have to be explained to you.”
I could say the same thing about you, Doom, but I’m going to keep my cool and let you be the one to head off towards a meltdown.
“I used data from 2003-04 to explicity show what the direct effects of the realized tax cuts did for ensuing revenues in the immediate years afterwards.”
Except that there was absolutely no reason for the data to be cut off where it was — unless you wanted to hide the fact that the tax cuts FAILED to continue their alleged effects past that very short time horizon. The tax cuts were STILL in effect — so why cut off the analysis? I don’t know if you’ve ever stood before a thesis or dissertation committee in grad school, Doom, but that’s the kind of thing that will get your analysis utterly DESTROYED by the committee members. You might as well start over from scratch at that point.
“There is nothing fishy or really even cherrypicked about that. Economic data from several years later such as 2007-08 when the recession hit were irrelevant to the point I was making- which was that immediately after the W tax cuts were realized that the economy picked up steam in terms of economic growth. Just how dense are you?”
Dense enough to know that without the cherrypicked data, your claim falls flat on its face. In fact, the only way your argument works is if the tax cuts had been *terminated* effective at the end of your dataset. That’s clearly why Heritage cut their numbers off at that point — because the data *no longer showed what they were trying to claim it did.*
“The Pelosi argument was apples and oranges.”
Not in the least. You’d been complaining loudly about Pelosi using cherrypicked data in that thread — and then you yourself used cherrypicked Heritage data to make *your* point. If cherrypicking is bad, then it’s bad when Pelosi does it AND when Heritage does it.
“My point was to show what happened in the economy in the immediate aftermath of when the W tax cuts were realized.”
Funny how the numbers stopped showing what Heritage was crowing about the *very next month* after they cut off their analysis, Doom. You don’t find that at all fishy?
“This was explained to you and is now being explained to you for probably the 4 millionth damn time. Geez!”
I get your point, Doom. I really do. It’s just that your point’s built on cherrypicked data that Heritage used. I’m sure that they recognized that analysts would jump on any dip at the end of their dataset — which, I strongly suspect is why they cut off their numbers where they did.
I’m headed home now, and I hope you have a very pleasant evening, Doom. Please do drive safely.
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:22 pm
LOL Josef — did you see today’s Luchovich?
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:23 pm
and right on cue, here comes Scout and his puppies.
F. Sinkwich
May 3rd, 2012
6:23 pm
“Washington – Service industries in the U.S. expanded less than projected and consumer confidence weakened, signaling the world’s largest economy may be cooling. The Institute for Supply Management said today its non- manufacturing index fell to a four-month low of 53.5 in April from 56 in March. ”
O’bozo is a disaster.
Any economic metric showing any growth at all is three years too late.
Only when it becomes obvious that this euro-socialist Preezy will be heading back to Chicago will this economy show any real improvement.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:23 pm
“Why limit it to our country, he’s an embarrassment to the homo sapiens species…”
Agreed.
scout,
He fights back.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:23 pm
CRIER
“Go pander your sophistry and childishness to some other gullible poster.”
Now THAT is good! Don’t know who it’s about or what brought it on, but I like it…may I add it to my repertoire?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:23 pm
granny- the divisive situation exists because conservative economic policies created it.
Yes, it’s a real shame when you have to work for the things you have. Much better if you sit on the couch and wait for your obama bucks to come in the mail.
Liberalism: The greatest thing in the world until you run out of other people’s money.
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
6:24 pm
scout,
He fights back.
Getalife — that’s what gets his goat, er, puppy
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Oh noes. Towncrier has been suckered into Joe’s game of word semantics and oneupmanship.
Jm
May 3rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Mia love in Utah is awwwwwwesome
Black republican woman articulate and fiscally sensible and small government
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:27 pm
Midori,
I guess they wanted him to just lay down for the cons.
He could be Jesus but not good enough for our cons.
Mighty Righty
May 3rd, 2012
6:27 pm
The only war on women I know of is Sharia Law. This law is a implemented by the lefts favorite religion more commonly known as Muslim except by the Obama Administration which prefers that the Muslim religion be referred to as the “Overseas Contingency Religion” or in the case of Fort Hood the “Workplace Incident” religion. With each new incidence of Muslim terrorism the looney left ewill have some term to hide the true nature of the attack. Even though the Fort Hood shooter yelled Alla hu Akbar while murdering our soldiers, The administration has failed to label the killings “hate crimes.” Strange.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:27 pm
midori
That was hilarious! Sounds just like him, doesn’t it!
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:29 pm
“Romney might not be my first choice.”
MIGHT not be?!
Hysterical.
You FAR right wingers despise him.
He’s nothing more than an effete northeastern liberal socialist.
So why is it that you neocons can’t even nominate one of your own? You know, the dumb as a rock, goofy grinning type like geeDub? It’s not like you haven’t trotted out a dozen and half Bush wannabes in the past five years.
What in the hell has happened to your party discipline? LOL!
And this is now two times in a row that you angst ridden, highly conflicted Republicans have nominated a RINO!
A socialized medicine RINO.
Too bad the (W)orst Ever can’t run again, otherwise you could all cream your pants and vote for him again…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:31 pm
RIGHTY
Pardon me if I come in as the Little Jew Boy here…but I find gratuitous Muslim bashing just as unseemly as gratuitous Christian bashing, Buddhist bashing, Sikh bashing or whatever the flavor of the weak (stet!)
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
6:32 pm
Did he just call her “articulate?”
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:32 pm
“The only war on women I know of…”
The new name for it is the Full Scale GOP Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights.
Whaddaya think?
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:32 pm
ZamVet
Yeah. And the Dems nominate Bush Lite…do you get the feeling you’ve stepped behind the looking glass, Alice? Gotta love the irony of it all, though…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
6:33 pm
Towncrier — “Okay…enough of this nonsense. I am going to start pegging you to the wall using YOUR playbook. Please show where I discounted the politicization of 9/11 and how I did so.”
Here you go:
“In case you didn’t know it, there are no perfect political candidates and voting for one over another almost always is a choice of the lesser of two evils and you vote for the one that more closely (as best you can tell) reflects your beliefs. And, also in case you didn’t know it, criticizing a candidate for his words or actions does not mean you will never vote for him.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/03/laughably-gop-wants-to-blame-divisiveness-on-obama/?cp=5#comment-943082
“When you can provide evidence from the very blog for the assertions you make, let’s talk.”
Okay, start talking.
“Once again, I’ve already *been* trying to validate the supposed ‘evidence’ you posted. And it’s not panning out, Champ. Guess you’ll have to go find some more.”
“Really? So what have you invalidated thus far?”
Several claimed pieces of “evidence” in the form of news stories in your link are not, as I’ve already told you, available in any way other than via a physical search of the archives of the newspapers in question. And I’m not obliged to do that. If you or the author of your refuting essay would care to *rely* on such data, then it’s incumbent on the citer to provide it. Footnotes are often satisfactory, from an academic point of view, yet the writer failed to provide any.
Incidentally, the writer took Lembcke to task for not finding those ‘easily found’ pieces of evidence he cites. On closer examination, those allegedly ‘easily found’ pieces of evidence aren’t anywhere nearly as easy to find as the writer’s claiming they are.
Now, as I’ve told you before, I’m open to persuasion on the point, but I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that you’ve either got an axe to grind on the topic or else you just agree with the writer and didn’t bother to look at his essay with a critical eye. Either way, I’m rapidly losing confidence that your ‘evidence’ is anything of the sort, especially given how demanding you’re being about others checking your work for you.
“Or is this more of the “I’m going to believe (over and against what commonsense says about human behavior) what a liberal sociologist wrote in the single book I have on the topic until you can show me proof on the Internet to the contrary AND personal testimony is invalid to me unless it agrees with my preconceived notions” game you like to play?”
Sonny, I didn’t *cite* Lembcke. YOU brought him up first in the original discussion. (laughing)
“You know, there are only two liberal posters I find insufferable here. You are one and the other knows who he is. Go pander your sophistry and childishness to some other gullible poster.”
I don’t post here to satisfy you. I post at the sufferance of our host. If you don’t care for what I have to say or if you find it upsetting, then either scroll past it or just don’t respond. But I’m not going to “shut up” or go elsewhere simply because you say so.
F. Sinkwich
May 3rd, 2012
6:34 pm
“And this is now two times in a row that you angst ridden, highly conflicted Republicans have nominated a RINO!”
Not the ideal choice, granted, but light years better than O’bozo.
Thanks for your concern, though.
Gator Joe
May 3rd, 2012
6:35 pm
If Romney is elected, the Corporate Right, the Christian Right, and the Neocons will play him like a stradavarius, or better yet, like a ventriloquist manipulates a dummy.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:35 pm
getalife- He could be Jesus but not good enough for our cons
You’re confused again. Jesus would be voted out by the left because you would cry seperation of church and state.
You would also be against his “teach a man to fish” campaign because Democrats know the only way to buy votes is getting the population dependent on their current “give a man a fish” policy.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Doom, Towncrier — I’m out. Do have a pleasant evening, gentlemen.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
scott wants no guns at their convention.
gop freaks out.
scott caves.
Guns at their convention.
What could go wrong?
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
6:37 pm
“Jesus would be voted out by the left because you would cry seperation of church and state”
Last time I checked Jesus was not a church.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:38 pm
jk,
Get your religion out of my politics.
Thanks.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Yep, josef. there is much too little difference between the two parties in way too many ways.
Notwithstanding Newt Nitwit saying that George Jr. is “the most radical leftist president in American history.”
And he is supposedly one of the intellectual giants that they have!
Is it any wonder that these parrots cough op pretty much the same absurd claptrap?
Did you see Luckovich’s offering today?
Brilliant!
He skewered the Georgia gasbag, at the expense of poor old Porky Pig.
Between him and Nein, Nein ,Nein Herman, the Peach State was absolutely humiliated this election cycle…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
JKL
No, I think most of us libs would vote for Jesus because of his stand on separation of church and state”
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto G-d the things that are G-d’s”
–Matthew 22:21
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:40 pm
Sink
How has the gas station attendant measured up the Presidential election?
Does he see a close race or a run away for one of the candidates?
Mighty Righty
May 3rd, 2012
6:41 pm
If you lefty looneys really believed the nonsense you spout about how increasing taxes will help the economy, then put your money where ypur mouth is and donate all of your money, and all of you childrens money to the benevolent most beneficial united states government. You lefties have more money to donate than all of the so called rich people in the US. If you would just give your money to the government you would all be better off. Don’t hold back. You probably didn’t earn it to begin with. What a selfless jesture to do what you preach. Let your action do the talking.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:41 pm
ZamVet
Saw it…midori referred me…like I said, hilarious and sounds just like him….
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:42 pm
jamvet- You FAR right wingers despise him
Romney still has some potential. obama is utterly hopeless in any direction as a human being as far as I’m concerned. Devout socialist, hates our country, driving us off a cliff as fast as he can. Sounds like someone I should re-elect…
I tried to become a Democrat, but I couldn’t get obamacare to pay for my lobotomy.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:42 pm
“Not the ideal choice.”
“Might not be my first choice.”
With ringing endorsements like that, how can the RINO lose?!
But then, these are the same guys who gave us such deeply philosophical gems like…
“George didn’t do everything right.”
and
“I didn’t agree with everything Bush did.”
Wow.
The moral courage is staggering…
ragnar danneskjold
May 3rd, 2012
6:43 pm
The laughing maniacs can sit in the back seat after November.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:43 pm
Romney still has some potential.
Put that on your bumper sticker, cons!
You guys are dead meat. I’m just enjoying the circus…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:44 pm
“The laughing maniacs can sit in the back seat after November.”
Behind the sign that says reserved for the GOP?
Jm
May 3rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Mia Love: awesome
Hope she wins
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
6:46 pm
Just because he’s a Georgia redneck that spews hate talk doesn’t mean he’s racist. A lot of Republicans use that same argument.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:47 pm
Not sure if it is amusing or just sad, when anyone attempts to use their God ( and I say “use” with great emphasis) for the advancement or justification of their political affiliation or to knock another person’s political affiliation
But keep it up on all sides…………..
maybe I will chuckle at the same time a tear rolls down my cheek
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:48 pm
“Except that there was absolutely no reason for the data to be cut off where it was — unless you wanted to hide the fact that the tax cuts FAILED to continue their alleged effects past that very short time horizon. The tax cuts were STILL in effect — so why cut off the analysis?”
I’ll make it so simple even you can understand it. Because Joe economics is dynamic and what happens in years later on down the line when other and different macro factors come into play doesn’t give us as concise of an ability to determine correlation or possibly cause and effect as much as a shorter term analysis. The fact remains that immediately after the tax cuts were fully realized economic growth improved and fairly substantially at that. Doesn’t mean economic growth is going to last forever as I’m sure you’ve heard of the business cycle and of other macro external factors- the housing meltdown would be one.
“I don’t know if you’ve ever stood before a thesis or dissertation committee in grad school, Doom,”
Actually I have had to defend papers and thesises to economics professors but that kind of deflection on your side has no relevance to the point at hand now does it? Stick to the issue at hand champ.
“That’s clearly why Heritage cut their numbers off at that point — because the data *no longer showed what they were trying to claim it did.*”
No. it didn’t. ANd that would be because external factors such as the looming housing meltdown were coming into play. It doesn’t change the straightforward fact that economic growth short term grew immediately after the cuts were realized- a fact you still hate to acknowledge. ANd if you don’t like the place that the data set ends then I guess that’s just tough for you.
“Funny how the numbers stopped showing what Heritage was crowing about the *very next month* after they cut off their analysis, Doom. You don’t find that at all fishy?”
Nothing funny about it. Other external factors were coming into play. For example if I remember correctly I believe that employment started to dip the month the Dems took over Congress. I’m certain your crack research team can verify that with the BLS stats. Funny how that happens huh Joe?
“I’m sure that they recognized that analysts would jump on any dip at the end of their dataset — which, I strongly suspect is why they cut off their numbers where they did.”
Do you have any idea just how foolish that sounds Joe Mama? Does your mind actually believe that they or anybody else doesn’t know and acknowledge that an enormous recession hit in 07? Does your mind honestly think that they can hide the fact that this thing called the recession hit in 2007? That’s just plain silly dude. They ended their data set precisely because it shows economic growth up to when the recession hit. There’s nothing fishy and nothing to hide champ. Everyone knows the recession came next. Geez.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Y’all are missing the bright side of all this…if somebody had told you a hundred years ago that there’d come a day when we’d have the choice of a Liberal Mormon or a Conservative black white man, would you have ever believed it…not in a hundred years, you would’ve said…but, well here we are…progress and American exceptionalism, ain’t it grand?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
jamvet- What in the hell has happened to your party discipline?
Too manypeople think you have to nominate someone in the center to win. They didn’t learn from Reagan, or even from the Democrats electing the farthest left wingnut of the bunch. (we’ll save the debate of his skin color being a major factor for another time).
Too bad the Worst Ever can’t run again, otherwise you could all cream your pants and vote for him again…
But obama is running again. And I think you meant vote against him again.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
JKL2 deserves success in his quest to have his taxpayer benefits revoked by the GOP.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:50 pm
Taxpayer
Not sure if they are still doing it, but a year or two ago a bar in Marietta was selling tshirts with Obama’s name on them……. the depiction on the shirt of Obama was a monkey
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:51 pm
jamvet- The new name for it is the Full Scale GOP Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights
Sound like a DNC talking point to me. Send it to media matters and watch how every news organization will be saying verbatim tomorrow.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:51 pm
“Georgia bar owner Patrick Lanzo of Paulding County has made habit of claiming he’s not racist, an argument that becomes harder to make each time he decides to display the n-word on a large roadside sign outside his establishment, the Georgia Peach Oyster Bar.
Lanzo’s latest message reads, “I do not support the n***** in the White House.” He recently told a local reporter that the offensive wording was not meant to be racist.” Aol
Pitiful.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
May 3rd, 2012
6:51 pm
Diaper Alert!
Diaper Alert!
.
For Bookman, Wingfeild, and all other Romney/Obama supporters/Federo-sexuals.
.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2012/05/fox-news-admits/
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
josef @ 6:48
Great commentary
hahahaha
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
Thomas
Tell Alex Jones we all said hello
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
Joe mama,
Also since you like to talk about data sets and variables perhaps you can acknowledge when reading this that variables change that effect economics. All kinds of variables- political as just one example. I sense that your misunderstandings of economics are baed partly in having a static view of things as many liberals tend to have as opposed to a dynamic view of things. I’ll be sure to work with you more on that later.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
TaxPayer,
I’m just loving that he and his severely conservative buddies are going to vote for a Massachusetts commie.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
BOTH
I’ve got an Obama T shirt with him as Alfred E. Neuman!
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:55 pm
getalife- Get your religion out of my politics
Do we have to set up a counter for how many times you can get schooled in a single day?
You brought up the point we wouldn’t elect Jesus. I just pointed out it’s the left that would destroy him. Sorry your side is so full of hate. The GOP can have guns at their convention because we know they aren’t going to try and kill anyone. Think Tea Party event v OWS.
Demwits with guns would be a blood bath.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
Thomas H…
What’s a federosexual? I gotta get out more…
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
“I just pointed out it’s the left that would destroy him”
And isn’t it a pity that Josef shot that down flat?
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
josef
That is not far off, but I think anyone with common sense knows what the monkey implication is all about
Once again your 6:48 was great……… best post of the day
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
“Interesting. So give me a few of these apparently multiple multiple examples in which he has played the race card. I mean, other than the many mornings in which he had the audacity to wake up black. Other than those times….”
I’m your huckleberry. Here you go:
1) In a campaign speech in 2008 in which he said: “So what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky.”
2) In another 2008 campaign speech in which he said the following: “He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky. That’s essentially the argument they’re making.”
3) When he interjected his opinions into the arrest of Professor Henry Louis Gates before knowing all of the facts, going so far as to say the police acted “stupidly” (and without equal fervor not similarly interjecting himself into any other cases involving, say, whites or asians)
4) When he interjected himself into the Trayvon Martin case without knowing all of the facts, saying that if he had had a son, he would’ve looked like Trayvon (which, because of his white DNA, might not be true at all)
5) His recent “African Americans for Obama” campaign launch (I’m still waiting for the “European Americans for Romney launch – what…I shouldn’t expect it???)
Okay, your turn. Let me hear you justify, minimize or otherwise ignore these five examples. And, by the way and for the 100th time, Obama is HALF WHITE. So, will you please dispense with your “because he’s black” mantra (such as your used in your ill-advised headline about Trayvon Martin).
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:59 pm
JKL
And I quoted Jesus as quoted by St. Matthew…or is that something like Burns…they didn’t teach you about that in Sunday School up in the superior state of Illinois…
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:59 pm
I think that “Rooney Still Has Some Potential” is not the best campaign slogan to run with.
Remember “I Like Ik”e?
So how about “Mitt ain’t It!” (Or its more vulgar variant, “Mitt Ain’t Sh*t!”).
Orr how about “Flip for Romney!”?
N?
OK, here’s a winner – “He May Be a Socialist, But He’s Our Socialist!”
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:00 pm
jamvet- With ringing endorsements like that, how can the RINO lose?!
Because too many stupid people will fall for the Party of Handouts line about their government checks being bigger and too many people will vote based on the color of their candidate’s skin rather than the content of their candidates character.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
BOTH
Of course I’m with you on the monkey thingie…I got called out here once, though, for saying that some of the shennanigans were more fun that a barrel of the simians!
Thanks for the vote on the 6:48…just doing my EOI duties…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
“Osama bin Laden was a surprising proponent of the Arab spring, according to documents found after his capture and released on Thursday.”
And so was Obama.
Now it is turning into something far worse ………….. just as Osama bin Laden thought.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:03 pm
towncrier @ 6:57
#5
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1174854/posts
Just sayn……….. You might want to retract ole # 5
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
“Forwaaaaaaaard ………….. Hype and Blame !”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
“I got called out here once, though, for saying that some of the shennanigans were more fun that a barrel of the simians”
Well that might have been a little sensitive……. but I guess you never know
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
taxpayer- JKL2 deserves success in his quest to have his taxpayer benefits revoked by the GOP.
Which ones are those?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
“Russian official threatens a pre-emptive strike on US-led NATO missile facilities in Eastern Europe if the state of negotiations ‘worsens,’ further escalating the antagonistic rhetoric out of Moscow.”
………………….. and we don’t need F-35’s and F-22’s ??
F. Sinkwich
May 3rd, 2012
7:06 pm
“How has the gas station attendant measured up the Presidential election?”
Thanks for reminding me!
I had to fill up the family truckster about a week ago. Went to QT this time (took advantage of the Publix $50 gas card for $40. Sweet!). While I was quenching its thirst for the 87 octane fuel of the past, I got a pang of hunger.
So I strolled into the establishment looking for a corn dog or something to tide me over. A friendly guy at the counter said hi. I think they do that at all the QTs.
His name was Steve. His name badge said he’d been there since 2010. I found a yummy looking hot dog then went up to pay. It was slow in there at the time so I struck up a conversation with him.
“Anybody come in here asking for the algae pump,” I asked.
“A few weeks ago a couple did,” he chuckled, “I’d tell them it was pump number zero, like the ‘0′ in Obama.”
Pretty funny!
I asked him what he did before QT, he said he was a landscape architect. Said ever since Obama, people don’t want to spend on stuff like that.
I wished him luck, and said I would do what I could to defeat him.
He said thanks.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:07 pm
BOTH
Except it was a right winger who did it! Another time I called Obama a Shabbatai Zvi and got accused of being anti Muslim ( a leftie that time)…
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:07 pm
What’s a federosexual?
Probably something to do with secret service agents.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:08 pm
Scout
Are the newest MIGs out pacing the 22s in terms of overall technology or at they still at 18 range?
Asking because I don’t know…..
Do know the Blue Angels were awesome this weekend and the F22 exhibition…….
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Sinkwich
“I asked him what he did before QT, he said he was a landscape architect. Said ever since Obama, people don’t want to spend on stuff like that.”
Not to mention Obama been deportin’ all them cheap labor Messicans…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
josef @ 7:07
They come from all sides when you bring the heat………….
hahahaha
Eloquently but effectively you know how to get a response when you want one
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:11 pm
taxpayer- JKL2 deserves success in his quest to have his taxpayer benefits revoked by the GOP.
JKL2-Which ones are those?
The ones the Republicans want to get rid of. You do know that the GOP would prefer to see federal retiree and veteran benefits cut so that money could be spent on more better war toys like F-35s. Don’t you keep up with what your party favors.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
7:11 pm
2, though you do it well, quit being an America-hater and a commie.
More possible slogans for ya…
“Willard is no Dullard!”
“Romney is No Commie”
“Hire Mitt, So he Can Fire You!”
“Corporations are People, My Friend. And You Ain’t People!”
“I’ll Tell You What, Ten Thousand Bucks?”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:13 pm
Sink @ 7:06
I must admit without a doubt…….. that is the funniest post I have ever read from you
While I mess with you about that story and I’m sure will continue, I don’t wish that kid any ill will. Hope he owns the place one day……………… And I sure hope he is voting, regardless of who he is backing
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:13 pm
and we don’t need F-35’s and F-22’s ??
scout wants a strafing run on Putin’s place to keep him in line.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
They BOTH suck,
I kinda remember that about the guy or bar with the t-shirts. Now I don’t know if its the same guy but there was a guy in the news that likened O to curious George. This guy didn’t even think or realize that it would be racist. He saw a pic of curious George somewhere and thought he looked like O. At the risk of sounding racist i kinda laughed about it when I saw i the pic of curious george and I thought about it for a second and I thought “dang He does look like curious george”. And i don’t think that’s racist. I heard someone say Nick Saban looks like a weasel. I thought about it and said “yeah He kinda does look like a weasel”. And when I was a kid there was another kid with cross eyes that looked kinda like a monkey. Someone called him a cross eyed monkey one day. And I thought “yeah, he sure does look like a cross eyeed monkey”. The kid was white.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:16 pm
doggone/josef- And isn’t it a pity that Josef shot that down flat?
I like how his comment on taxes means seperation of church and state to you. If Jesus is getting elected it would definitely be as a Republican.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:17 pm
They BOTH suck:
Regarding Russian aircraft I’ll have to leave that to the experts.
However, only a fool doesn’t want a better weapon against someone he may someday have to fight.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
TD
Might be the same dude. While the guy has a right to do so and I wasn’t advocating he stop selling them, however I find it hard to believe he didn’t see the implication……….
But of course I do not know the guy to say what he thinks or feels in his mind and heart
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
“Not to mention Obama been deportin’ all them cheap labor Messicans…”
They been deporting themselves because the economy is so bad.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:19 pm
JKL
His comment on taxes? Render unto Caesar…give the state its shekels and quit your kvetching..put your mind on G-d…a lot more bang for the buck…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
jamvet- He May Be a Socialist, But He’s Our Socialist!”
I thought we were talking about Romney. obama already picked the Marxist slogan Forward! for his campaign.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
Taxpayer, I vote for your 7:07 as the funniest post today!
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
“If Jesus is getting elected it would definitely be as a Republican”
I don’t think I’ll hold my breath waiting for him to be elected as anything.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:21 pm
THULSA
The Obama administration has been deporting them in the largest numbers of any administration since the Eisehower one…
And, no, the ones here aren’t up and leaving because of the economy…they’re just not coming in in such numbers as before…
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
7:22 pm
“obama already picked the Marxist slogan Forward! for his campaign”
There you go. Leaves the socialist slogan wide open for the guy who can best use it.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
7:22 pm
More Romney/??? 2012 slogans
“I’m Unemployed and I’ll Do My Best To Get You There!”
“My Wife Has a Couple of Cadillacs and She Needs A Driver!”
“I Get Speaker’s Fees, Not Very Much. But It’s More Than You’ll Make This Decade!”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Scout
That is why I was asking…… Wasn’t saying we shouldn’t have better or do not need 22s and 35s. However a comparison of the current MIGs vs 18s, 22s, & 35s in terms of technology and operational strategy as well as cost to the tax payer is a valid concern imo…….
Cost can’t be the only factor, but it has to be a determination to some degree……
The Osprey was a boondoggle for sure……….. A number of Dems and Repubs fought and fought to keep that going………
And we gained what in terms of military viability from that “thing”? it sure cost a lot of money
that is just an example………
Of course there are numerous positive examples that assist in keeping us pretty damn safe as opposed to many places in this world
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
THULSA
@7:15
Even you don’t believe THAT two-step…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
How about that Elizabeth Warren (aka: Princess Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring)?
http://wb9otx.blogspot.com/2009/07/princess-summerfall-winterspring.html
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
taxpayer- The ones the Republicans want to get rid of. You do know that the GOP would prefer to see federal retiree and veteran benefits cut so that money could be spent on more better war toys like F-35s
Are those the ones obama already passed for next year?
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Past time to get out troops out of Europe and everywhere else where they don’t belong. We should cut our defense budget in half,
Iff Obama’s presense causes people to hate him. Whose fault is that. His or theirs.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:25 pm
They BOTH suck:
I hear you but would rather overdo it than underdo it.
American lives are at stake.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:26 pm
They both suck,
People can be that naive. When I was 33 years old I worked at worldcom. We were all standing around talking about where we were from and someone asked me. And I said I was from monkeytown which Montgomery, AL. has been called a few times because of the number of blacks which of course is racist. But at that time in my life I had zero clue about that. I had heard the term once or twice before and heard it the week before when I was telling someone at a bar or somewhere where I was from and he said that. Anyway everyone just gave me a blank look and my white assistant gave me a look like “shut up”. I just looked at everyone and said “What? That ’s what they call it. I dunno why” cause they were all looking at me funny. It was pretty obvious to my black co-workers that I had no clue what the hell the term meant- especially since one of them was and is my best friend in ATL.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:26 pm
Doggone
Don’t you have to run to be elected? I don’t think Cuzzin JC would be standing for election…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:27 pm
jamvet- quit being an America-hater and a commie.
I have never been a democrat even though I’ll admit I was sucked in by Carter when I was in grade school and didn’t know any better
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:27 pm
Scout
For the record, she claims the same blood quantum as you!
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:28 pm
TD
“They been deporting themselves because the economy is so bad.”
It is a combo of economy as well as Fed and State intervention like it hasn’t been in years
My mother attends a Spanish church south of the city…………. There are many illegals that attend the church. Some are pissed at the crackdowns……. saying that is how they are appreciated after doing the labor Americans wouldn’t and want do………….
I remember
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
I don’t find Obama the Divider to be laughable in the least. The progressives have been busy dividing this nation from the moment Obama took over. Obama has taken every opportunity to divide by race, by class, by income, by gender. It’s how he thinks and how he acts. What is laughable is Jay’s defense of the indefensible. While Jayhas already lost crediblity outside of anyone in America who doesn’t think Ed Schultz is wise or Rachel Madow is hot, this column is a new low.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
josef,
In that case of the guy selling t-shirts probably not. Reason being at least one person would have clued the guy in and told him that it was a racist term or denoted calling black people monkeys. He knew what he was doing. But I am saying there are people who can go through life and somehow just never hear the term and never get clued in. I met a 55 year old white woman from Carrollton who had no idea what the hell MLK blvd and all that was for. The woman had no clue who MLK was even after you splained it to her.
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
Who is picking our Vidalia onions this year.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
josef:
For the record, I think she lied on some job forms.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
Incompetence or coldness. Either one is unacceptable as it relates to Chen the Chinese dissident evidently being abandon in Beijing. And then the Russian general who threatens a preemptive attack on our defensive missiles. Yes in a addition to a failed economic policy we have an administration with a failed foreign policy. How can the left wing tools justify all of this.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
josef- The Obama administration has been deporting them in the largest numbers of any administration since the Eisehower one…
It’s a good thing he has the largest population of illegal immigrants to choose from. That .000001 deportation rate is impressive.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
However, only a fool thinks a tax cut will pay for a better weapon against someone he may someday have to fight.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
7:33 pm
“Don’t you have to run to be elected? I don’t think Cuzzin JC would be standing for election”
Yep….which is WHY I’m not going to hold my breath!
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
7:33 pm
Okay, everybody, let’s get down to the raw facts and a conclusion to the matter”
I said in one of my posts in that a lot of people see Obama highlighting the death of Bin Laden on the anniversary of that event in an election year as “crassly opportunistic” (word borrowed from Jay himself, though not applied to Obama). To which JHM responded in the following manner:
“Considering how hard the Republican candidates were flogging 9/11 in 2008, one wonders if you voted Republican and how you managed to square that vote with your statement above.”
Now, to anyone with reasonably good interpretive skills, JHM is aking me to square my criticism of Obama with my vote for McCain when the Republicans were doing the same thing (as if I was going to refrain from voting in light of any failings of the candidate I felt more represented my positions and even though I once said I voted for McCain holding my nose). To which I responded like this:
“In case you didn’t know it, there are no perfect political candidates and voting for one over another almost always is a choice of the lesser of two evils and you vote for the one that more closely (as best you can tell) reflects your beliefs. And, also in case you didn’t know it, criticizing a candidate for his words or actions does not mean you will never vote for him.”
This JHM, in his warped reasoning and coneception of things, interpreted as a discounting of the politicization of 9/11 – when, in fact, I was merely saying that when faced with a choice between voting for a candidate or not (the options given me by JHM), I am going to do the former whatever his faults. Implicit in my response was an acknowldegment of the fact that the Republicans have done wrong.
Now, JHM, if you can’t correctly assess what is said on this blog (where all the *evidence* you so purport to love is squarely before us) and reason correctly from it, why bother having any discussion with you about matters where the *evidence* is not squarely before us? You are intellectually dishonest or just stubburnly argumentative, in my view.
“If you don’t care for what I have to say or if you find it upsetting, then either scroll past it or just don’t respond.”
Exactly. Engaging you has turned out to be a waste of my time. Too bad though, because we could probably have some great exchanges if it wasn’t always a p***ing match to you (go back and look at your responses to me in the past month and see that on at least a few occasions this is how you – not me – have characterized our back and forth in so many words)
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:33 pm
TD @ 7:26
I hear you
_____________________
Different topic: If you haven’t seen the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds, take the time to go see them if you ever have the chance
Saw the BAs for the 2nd time this weekend and thinking about going down to Moody AFB this October to see the Thunderbirds
Talk about professionals……… Those guys are top notch and kick @ss,
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:34 pm
Who is picking our Vidalia onions this year.
All those unemployed people that were once displaced by illegal immigrants.
Sarah Gee
May 3rd, 2012
7:34 pm
This column finally makes sense to me. At first i was trying to be rational, wondering how Jay could possibly advance such a ridiculous argument, so at variance with the facts. Then I realized that the White House polling has picked up that people believe that Obama is a divider and they sent the message to the loyal lapdogs to make a counter argument…no matter how silly it sounds. Once I could see this tripe as Jay’s slavish response to the commands of his masters, then it started to be strangely sensible.
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
7:34 pm
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
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Nobody has to defend it because you don’t have any of your facts correct, except maybe for the Russian general, but I only heard about that here. don’t think Rusians are going to strike. they don’t like a=bombs dropping of Moscow.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:36 pm
“Some are pissed at the crackdowns……. saying that is how they are appreciated after doing the labor Americans wouldn’t and want do………….”
The bible says treat the alien in your land as well as you would a native. Plain and simple.
But the downside is that I don’t know if they are doing jobs no American will do. Someone used to do construction, drywall, etc. before Messicans came. When I was growing up those were decent paying blue collar jobs for unskilled white and black labor. But lower paying labor has driven down labor for the lowest in our society by about 15% according to several studies I’ve seen. Their labor hurts the lowest on our totem pole.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:36 pm
Scout- Regarding Russian aircraft I’ll have to leave that to the experts
A guy back home had a Mig-29 for a couple years. (the Navy dumped it in the alantic for him). He said it would fly circles around anything we had. Problem was it doesn’t have the electronics and weapons to compete against us.
From just a flying standpoint, they were far superior.
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
7:36 pm
I think the A&M band should be permently disbanded. Why have they put up with hazing all these years. Is it a cultural thing.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
7:37 pm
“so at variance with the facts.”
And those facts are?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:39 pm
They both suck,
I’ve seen the blue angels plenty. Went down there 2 years ago to a show and a demonstration in Pensacola and have seen them and the AF Thunderbirds a few times. Going to go to the beach Gulf Shores for a month and a half so I’ll probably take in a show if they are flying when I’m down there.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
7:39 pm
“Just sayn……….. You might want to retract ole # 5″
Thank you, TBS. I didn’t know about that. It weakens that example, to be sure.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:40 pm
THULSA
As you know there are plenty out there who think “Gypsies” are in fairy tales…and at least one Pulitzer Prize winner who thought it was alright to call the “gypsy” cabs, so long as it was spelled with a lower case “g.”
JKL
Still greater numbers…that’s all I was saying…
SCOUT
That would have served her no purpose whatsoever…to qualify for special attention in that area, you have to have a CDIB card…you know that….
Attacking her on that one is just plain ignorance of Southern history and buying into Yankee Sharia…I say you mixed bloods are missing a golden opportunity…don’t let your political partisanship blind you…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:40 pm
TD
I’m not arguing with you………. Just saying what some are telling my mom
My mom takes so much and tells them to go home if they can’t accept the economic downturn as well as the increased crackdowns……..
My mom as done mission work all over the world, with a good percentage being in Central America…….
her efforts and her heart speak to it………. with that said, she isn’t going to get to concerned about an illegal getting upset about laws being enforced
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:41 pm
Thulsa- Anyway everyone just gave me a blank look and my white assistant gave me a look like “shut up”.
Was talking with some Special Forces last month. Someone brought up the CIA and I said something about “spooks”
Evidently another popular term that has been removed by PC now.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:42 pm
Towncrier @ 7:39
Thanks for the reply. We could debate and even argue to some degree about the others. Some I would agree with you while others not so much.
Just thought that one wasn’t really a good example for either side to be honest
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:44 pm
TD
Cool……… They are a sight to see. For some reason, if you haven’t seen them, I had in my mind that you would in enjoy their show…….
It is amazing and as I stated earlier today……… an honor to watch those guys do what they do
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:45 pm
Oscar,
THat whole FAMU thing is just a damn tragedy along the likes of Trayvon. FAMU’s band is incredible and its a very competitive thing and it looks to me like the hazing just got way out of hand. But for that matter I’ve seen video of white sorority girls that had a brutal hazing beating the hell out of the new girls. Its not a race or class thing. . If you’ve ever seen a black college football game the bands are often the feature of the whole day. Its a big thing at HBCUs from what I’ve seen and especially at FAMU.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
7:46 pm
“The bible says treat the alien in your land as well as you would a native. Plain and simple.”
Yes it does. But what does it say about lawbreakers? Would you not think it appropriate to apply this biblical precept to legal aliens and get some viable guest worker program in place?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:48 pm
TD
I’m not arguing with you………. Just saying what some are telling my mom
they both suck,
Yeah. I know. THis aint nothing to debate over. Its a complex situation with no easy answers and lots of tough questions. I “m generally pro immigration but I think we really have to get a handle on securing the border. I’m for more worker visas and just getting a damn handle on things and making it orderly.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:50 pm
TD @ 7:45
That is a big 10-4
Horrible tragedy and the guilty need to be punished
With that said…….. That band is one of the “trademarks” of FAMU……… It will be going nowhere
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:50 pm
-That whole FAMU thing is just a damn tragedy
You would have thought a red flag would have gone up when they broke a girl’s femur in a hazing incident three weeks prior. I guess when broken bones get overlooked they think it’s OK to go ahead and kill somebody.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:50 pm
Towncrier,
Lawbreakers? True. I’m just for having a more orderly guest worker program and charging a surtax for the cost to our health care, social, and judicial and education systems to cover the costs of illegals.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
7:51 pm
“Nobody has to defend it because you don’t have any of your facts correct,”
Well now you tell me Oscar where my facts are incorrect. Wishing that I do isn’t going to win your argument.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
7:52 pm
“I’m just for having a more orderly guest worker program and charging a surtax for the cost to our health care, social, and judicial and education systems to cover the costs of illegals.”
Amen, brother.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:53 pm
CRIER
Lawbreakers? Uh, what was it that got the Christ nailed?
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
7:55 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:45 pm
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What school was the video of the white hazing made. Never heard of that.
As for A&M, sounds like the hazing has been out of hand for a long time.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
7:57 pm
“I’m generally pro immigration but I think we really have to get a handle on securing the border. I’m for more worker visas and just getting a damn handle on things and making it orderly.”
I think most conservative are for immigration. I, for one, have not understood why if any countries are to be given preferential treatment in this regard, why not our neighbors and allies Canada and Mexico? A viable guest worker program should have been implemented back in the 80s but then that may be expecting too much of the government until such time that we oust all of the self-serving “lords” in DC.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:58 pm
JKL2,
Damn. I didn’t know a girl’s leg was broke 3 weeks earlier. That shoulda alerted someone. SPeaking of special forces and PC I just read or heard can’t remember wherethat there was talk of lowering the standards for the SEALS because there are not enough African Americans in there or in the special forces in general. Its odd but when I was in the Navy I never saw any black seals and a buddy who is green beret told me the army special forces are only about 10% black even though the army is around 50% black. Don’t know why that is but I damn sure don’t want those standards lowered for anything or anybody. When you see discovery channel specials on the seasl and other elite units there just aren’t many if any black faces on those shows.
PJ
May 3rd, 2012
8:00 pm
Top Ten 2012 GOP Bumper Stickers:
10. “Women should be bare foot and pregnant as God intended they be”
9. “White is right, Black get back, Brown get back over the boarder”
8. “God is a Republican, Jesus is a socialist”
7. “Homosexuals need not apply, we ask and tell”
6. “Children are sacred up to the ninth month of pregnancy, after that their on their own”
5. “Republican nominees need not have Sista Soldier moments, we apologize for nothing any supporters says no matter how many votes we may lose”
4. “A gun in every household, Kill Baby Kill”
3. “Bin Laden’s not dead; he’s hiding in the Whitehouse”
2. “Wall Streeter’s are the real Americans, CREAM”
1. “All we need are the Flag, the Bible and Guns and the rich can have everything else”
Nothing divisive here.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
8:00 pm
“Lawbreakers? Uh, what was it that got the Christ nailed?”
Christ dies for lawbreakers, not that they should continue being so ad infinitum. In his words: “Repent [or change your mind and heart about the way you are living] or you too shall (eventually) perish”. And he did not die to take away the right of governments to impose and uphold laws.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
8:01 pm
Oscar,
I can’t remember. It was something I saw on Fox once but it was white girls at a white soriority just beating on the younger girls and humiliating them. And I could be wrong it may have been high school cheerleaders or band but I just remember seeing it being pretty serious hazing and it was young white girls doing it.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:01 pm
CRIER, THULSA
I agree with the rational immigration…we all benefited from the “nod, nod, wink, wink” policy when things were going good…and now that things aren’t so great, it’s send ‘em packing and citing all manner of arguments to justify what is just plain disrespect of our fellow human beings and plain meanness…
Ask any “illegal” and they will tell you had there been a line, they’d've gotten in it…
Midori
May 3rd, 2012
8:02 pm
Everybody likes something
and nobody likes Sarah Gee
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:04 pm
TD
True story about the testament of what the US “dream” offers as opposed to most…………. We can all argue what that “dream” is but you will understand what I am saying after reading this post
A Venezuelan lady in my mother’s church left Venezuela before Chavez took over. She will tell you that the US backed dude sucked. Well she decided as the economy was going down here to head back home with her son and take a chance with Chavez.
She went home. Well Chavez is not doing much better for the poor, who he convinced to back him because the US backed guy wasn’t doing anything to help their plight either
She couldn’t get a visa to go to Mexico, so she paid a “mule”
to help facilitate her and her son getting from Venezuela to the US / Mexican border…… took several border crossing and hiding in cars and trucks, etc
She crossed the border and took a bus Buford Highway. Not sure if you know but their is a company in the Atlanta area that takes illegals to and from Atlanta to the boarder several times a week……
She is back cleaning houses and damn happy to be here
I don’t know the answer either…….. but that is a story of determination and will…… no doubt in my mind
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:06 pm
CRIER
The Christ was zapped for breaking the law…that’s the bottom line…and the Sadducees and the Pharisees are still in business and would “legally” crucify him again if he came…
Have you ever read Andre Schwartz-Bart’s “The Last of the Just?”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:08 pm
josef
Should have included you as well in my last post………… Of course you probably read it, however I should have addressed you as well since you are part of that conversation
my bad
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:09 pm
“Sadducees and the Pharisees are still in business ”
Not being Jewish or even religious…………. Probably wouldn’t have went over well if I had said that…….. ‘
So I want to say, thank you for saying that
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:10 pm
BOTH
A lot of people yapping about the “illegals” have no idea what they went through to come here…however humble they may be, they’ve got get-up-and-go, which, I was taught, lies at the heart of “American exceptionalism.”
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
8:11 pm
From VoteVets, an email about Richard Carmona, who is running for the United States Senate seat from Arizona….
Born to a poor Hispanic family in New York City, Richard experienced homelessness, hunger and bleak prospects for a future education and economic opportunity. The child of parents who emigrated to the United States and struggled with alcoholism and substance abuse, Rich learned tough early lessons about economic disparities and social injustice – an experience he has never forgotten, and one that has given him an understanding of how culture, health, education and economic status shape our country.
Like his siblings and many of his friends, he dropped out of high school. With few skills and little education, he enlisted in the Army and went to Vietnam. Military service gave him discipline and a drive to succeed that he still carries today. In order to apply for Special Forces and become a combat medic, he earned his high school equivalency degree. Richard was awarded two Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts, a combat medical badge and numerous other decorations to mark his service.
When he returned home from Vietnam, Richard became the first member of his family to earn a college degree, and later received his medical degree. In 2002, he was nominated by the president and unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate to become the 17th Surgeon General of the United States.
Time for you POS Swiftboaters to get busy!
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
8:12 pm
they both suck,
Moral of the story. People have no idea just how good this country is. I’m out here in the country and not to get down on any one group but there are a lot of shiftless, criminal, lazy, and just plain sorry white folks out there that I would replace with a mehican in a heartbeat or with that hardworking Venezuelan lady.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:12 pm
josef
It is a tough situation………… In the end as hypocritical as it is to have “used” them when it was for our good……. we have to take care of our own 1st
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
8:12 pm
josef:
If she lied she lied whether it did her any good or not.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
8:13 pm
“I agree with the rational immigration…we all benefited from the “nod, nod, wink, wink” policy when things were going good…and now that things aren’t so great, it’s send ‘em packing and citing all manner of arguments to justify what is just plain disrespect of our fellow human beings and plain meanness…”
For me it is not about disrespect for a fellow human being as having a game plan and following it. I like to compare people’s views on things politically with how they might act when things are personal. So…say some homeless people took up residence, uninvited, in your home and while they did some things to help out here and there (like mow the law or take out the garbage), they were otherwise a net expense and hardship for you and your family. Would you think it would be heartless to ask them to leave or to call the police on them? It is just wrong. In many countries you would be imprisoned or killed for illegally entering it. Here’s an experiment: let’s offer free tickets to China for people. I wonder how many would take them? It is right to be firm morally about things, plain and simple. Yet I am ALL for creating a viable guest worker program for immigrants so we can benefit from them and they from us in a legal and satisfactory manner.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
8:14 pm
JKL2:
I hear you but what about their numbers of fighter aircraft? Sheer numbers can sometimes be overwhelming.
My brother was a tank commander in Germany during the cold war. He said our tanks were a little better but their sheer numbers would have overwhelmed us.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
8:15 pm
josef,
I know what Guatemalans, Hondurans, and Nicaraguans go through. They get shaken down and robbed by the Mexican army and police if they get caught at stop points and checkpoints. Happens to them routinely. And worse. Especially to women sometimes and of course young girls or women can be abducted and taken into the sex trade. And they sometimes get abandoned by coyotes, all kinds of bad crap with folks dying in the damn desert.
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
8:16 pm
“The Christ was zapped for breaking the law…that’s the bottom line…and the Sadducees and the Pharisees are still in business and would “legally” crucify him again if he came…”
That, I submit, is your own Jewish conception. To Christians, Christ did not break God’s law – his was a kangaroo trial.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:17 pm
JKL2 @ 7:36
Thanks for the input on the MIGs
I knew at one time they had great maneuverable a/c but wasn’t sure how they compared today
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
8:19 pm
Out again. Later all.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:19 pm
Scout
Where did she lie? You more than most should know what’s at work here.
CRIER
Comparing us with other countries strikes me as odd here. Aren’t we supposed to be better?
If someone homeless took up residence in my home? If I opened the door and invited them in, well, yes, I owe them hospitality…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
8:21 pm
Thulsa- Don’t know why that is but I damn sure don’t want those standards lowered for anything or anybody
When I was recruiting 10 years ago they had a big push for Hispanics. They could get in with a 23 on the ASVAB because “it wasn’t their fault they dropped out of school” All they got for their effort was the ID of a bunch of illegal aliens
Blacks only make up about 4% of Special Forces. I would say it’s a combination of education and physical requirements needed for the job. I know it’s a stereotype, but I think more black athletes focus on just the sports and not the books. The qualifications tend to fit in with upper class whites better.
I’m sure the PC idiots will force it thru. Can’t wait for the “homosexual” quotas to pop up so we can “prove” we’re not discriminating.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:22 pm
CRIER
I will agree with you on the Kangaroo court…I do not presuppose to interpret the religious end of what the Christ means to Christians…and I appreciate the rational discussion,,,I see you’re out, so we’ll take this up again at sometime in the future…
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
8:22 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
8:01 pm
_____________
You were not watching some kind of SM porn and forgot, were you? (smiley-face)
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:24 pm
JKL
And let’s not forget that superb superior education of yours while we’re at it, eh? Another case of a little education is a dangerous thing…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:24 pm
TD @ 8:15
That is true. I will refrain from the HORROR stories my mother has conveyed to me……….
They are running a gauntlet, especially if they are not Mexican but attempting to get the US / Mexico border…
The Mexican can freely get to the border then it is on………. the others coming through Mexico are on the “run” for sure
But let’s not discount the many, many people from African nations, Eastern Europe, Russia, Asia that are doing the same
Hispanics and Mexicans in particular are the ones in the spotlight, but they are coming worldwide…… baby
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
8:25 pm
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
7:51 pm
“Nobody has to defend it because you don’t have any of your facts correct,”
Well now you tell me Oscar where my facts are incorrect. Wishing that I do isn’t going to win your argument.
________
All the reports I heard said the guy wanted to leave the embassy and stay in China, and left on his decision. Don’t see how that means we treated him coldly. Now that he has left, there is nothing we can do, and nothing we should do.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:26 pm
BOTH
That is so true. BTW, have you ever seen the film “El Norte?”
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
8:27 pm
jamvet- Time for you POS Swiftboaters to get busy!
Sounds like a great guy. I guess I missed the part where he wrote up his own purple heart award for a splinter, threw someone else’s medal over the fence of the White house(pretending they were his) then lied before Congress calling Soldiers “baby killers”.
Proud to call this man a fellow veteran. Still waiting for John Kerry to come lick my core frams.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
8:27 pm
Mr. Chen had a nervous break down.
willard got punked by a mental patient.
ld
May 3rd, 2012
8:28 pm
but …. but … but …wasn’t the nation all lovey-dovey and kum-ba-ya before Obama took office? (sarcasm alert)
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:29 pm
JKL2
“I’m sure the PC idiots will force it thru. Can’t wait for the “homosexual” quotas to pop up so we can “prove” we’re not discriminating.”
No offense man, but they are already there………. yes even in the most elite ranks of the US military and have been since the Revolutionary War
This from a straight man……………….. Just because they didn’t tell you for whatever reason does not nor will not change those facts
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:30 pm
BOTH
“…take care of our own…” Yes, but aren’t they “our own?” I’m not being a knee-jerk liberal here, but I maintain that in the triage we need to pay close attention to the contributions they have made already to “our own.”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:31 pm
josef @ 8:26
I have not, however I just took note of it and will find the time
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:34 pm
josef @ 8:30
That is why I said “hypocritical” because I to was taught that “American exceptionalism” you referenced……..
I was referencing myself and not just “America” when I said it……… I have torn thoughts and emotions over the issue to be brutally honest
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
8:35 pm
Scout- Sheer numbers can sometimes be overwhelming.
Do you realize China actually has enough citizens that they could drop people instead of bombs and beat us. They have 120 cities with more than 5 million people.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:35 pm
BOTH
I sometimes wonder about a certain element in the heterosexual population and what/who they think gay people are. Recent studies have shown that the more intense the homophobia (I HATE that miscreant affront to linguistics!) the higher the degree of repressed homosexuality…it’s something gay folk have always known, but it’s kind of interesting to see it put to ZamVet’s much beloved “data analysis!” (Sorry, ZamVet, but I couldn’t resist!
)
Don't Forget
May 3rd, 2012
8:38 pm
Well, the R’s gave Obama a chance didn’t they????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eRxxZ-Ar0
Gee, maybe he is divisive
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
8:38 pm
josef- And let’s not forget that superb superior education of yours while we’re at it, eh? Another case of a little education is a dangerous thing…
I don’t qualify because I never took a foreign language. Otherwise I’m overqualified with my two degrees. But that’s a young man’s sport and I’m too long in the tooth.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:39 pm
BOTH
The funny thing to me on the immigration issue is that I am probably among the most conservative folks around when it comes right down to it…but I can’t abide the hypocrisy and mean spiritedness…
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
8:40 pm
Government in the American people’s bedrooms is creepy and not freedom.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:40 pm
JKL
As Granddaddy used to say, there’s education and there’s schooling…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
8:44 pm
they both- This from a straight man……………….. Just because they didn’t tell you for whatever reason does not nor will not change those facts
I guess you missed the “quota” part. (no, we’re not gay, but we are willing to learn).
Yes, I know gays in the Army. Never had a problem as long as they could do their job. It was the one’s who wanted to jump on their soap box and get kicked out on purpose I couldn’t stand. That also includes the one’s who faked “homosexuality” to get out.
The new ploy is called “eat your way to freedom”. People who purposely get fat to get kicked out.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:44 pm
JKL2
This is putting a man on “blast”, but I need to express what I said earlier……..
This guy was one of my dad’s good friends he knew from Hawaii and Vietnam……… Danny and my dad re up’d together along with several others for their 2nd tour (my dad served 3).
Their 1st week back in Vietnam…….. He valiantly and selfishly died for YOU…………….
http://rattler-firebird.org/misc/later/fernandez.php
Guess what he was?
HE DIED FOR YOU……… JKL2
never ever forget that
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:47 pm
JKL2
You replied before my last post………..
As long as you are not being “hit” on who cares……..
Even if you are “hit” on as a heterosexual by a man or women there is proper recourse that the military will take
No different than if a gay man or women get out of line
Thanks for the conversation……….
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
8:49 pm
jo, hang tough.
The corporal, crier and several of the other supposed Christians are busy trying to pray your gay away!
(Sillyass Republicans!)
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
8:51 pm
don’t forget- Well, the R’s gave Obama a chance didn’t they
I like day 35: How long do you think obama can get away with using “it’s Bush’s fault”?
Looks like it will care right on thru to the fourth year at this point…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:53 pm
When I say “you”……… I mean your “freedom”, “American exceptionalism”, “mom, apple pie and Chevrolets”…………
You know what I mean
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
8:57 pm
and when the official “quota” is implemented…….. I’m sure you will let us all know’
Until that time…… its all BS and rhetoric
No offense,,,,,,,,, but what else should it be called
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
8:58 pm
JKL
That soapbox thingie…it comes in all brands…just scroll up…but where DO you draw the line between just being who you are and getting on a soapbox? I’m not trying to be snarky…it’s a conundrum we all have to deal with.
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:01 pm
JKL
Well, I for one have a serious problem with quotas, coming as I do from a classification where quotas were used to limit the number let in..
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
9:02 pm
Republicans think we can beat the Chinese by making birth control and abortions illegal.
Rightwing Troll
May 3rd, 2012
9:05 pm
Is Mittens gonna bomb China now?
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:12 pm
“valiantly and unselfishly”
Apologize for saying “selfishly”…….. because how he died…….there was nothing selfish about it
He did it for you JKL2 and for all of us
My whole point is that sexual preference however you want to define it shouldn’t be a hang up for you…………… You have met more “gays” than you will ever know
and that is my last piece on that subject……………… today
Sure most of you are clapping and doing cart wheels
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
9:14 pm
They both-
I will throw in my $.02 but in a different direction than you would think. I would have never given this guy a MOH.
I remember watching a demonstration about dynamite once. place a stick on concrete and set it off. Hardly makes a scratch. Now place a bucket of cement on top of it. Four foot crater.
Grenades are rarely lethal. When you jump on top of one (become the bucket of cement), it is almost 100% effective. From the citation it even says he tried to get away first. While jumping on a grenade is a selfless act, and a great movie scene, it’s not an action I ever promote. Giving a man our highest award for committing what amounts to voluntary suicide is not something I would do.
I do appreciate his service and sacrifice to our country, but he died for those other five guys, not me.
Bill Orvis White
May 3rd, 2012
9:14 pm
This installed-president blabs about race all the time. WE THE PEOPLE are sick and tired of this “administration” playing the race card. WE cannot wait for the Oval Office to be under new management come January! President Romney WILL be a great leader!
Amen!
Bill
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
9:15 pm
Rightwing Troll , the only way Mittens is ever gonna see the inside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is to be a guest of the Obama’s.
(CNN) – As President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney campaign in Virginia this week, a new poll shows the president with a seven point advantage over his likely opponent in the Commonwealth.
Fifty-one percent of voters said they would vote for the president if the election were held today, while 44% said Romney, according to the Washington Post poll released Thursday.
Virginia will be crucial battleground territory this fall, as Obama attempts to capture the state as he did in 2008, with 53% of the vote.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
9:15 pm
“Blacks only make up about 4% of Special Forces. I would say it’s a combination of education and physical requirements needed for the job. I know it’s a stereotype, but I think more black athletes focus on just the sports and not the books”
60 minutes had a special on this years ago. A black marine who washed out of OCS was suing the corps for discrimination. It was weird but the Marine commandant the no. 1 guy, was being interviewed and was telling Ed Bradley that most of the black candidates would fail in compass navigation and rifle markssmanship. It was weird but the commandant sat there and told him he couldn’t explain why the black candidates couldnt navigate using a compass. They just couldn’t do it for some inexplicable reason and it was something the corp was trying to figure out but couldn’t. But they weren’t going to lower their standards.
As for gays in the military I don’t think hardly anyone gives a damn if they serve. The only issue I would have is the same as yours. Are we then going to have all the social engineering stuff- sensitivity training, quotas for advancement, separate accomodations such as separate showers, disciplining heterosexual soldiers should they say something that could be construed as offensive to the one gay in the outfit,etc. Let them serve but make it known they are there for the army, the army is not there to accomodate them.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
9:16 pm
willard is not ready for prime time.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
9:17 pm
Josef – you still here?
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:17 pm
JKL2
If that is your take………… ok
I could say that all the soldiers in iraq died for GWB’s stupid ass war and I’m no better off one way or the other, but I wont stoop to your bs level…………….
HE DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM…………………….
NEVER FORGET THAT
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:21 pm
Doggone
Present
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:22 pm
JKL2
With all the people who have died in wars since the Revolutionary War, can you tell me how many died to protect the US vs the number who died for other causes in those wars?
Should the military you served in or still serve in check all medals to determine what JKL2s criteria is in terms of what they earned and how they earned it?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
9:22 pm
“You were not watching some kind of SM porn and forgot, were you?”
Oscar,
I wish.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
9:23 pm
Oscar, when someone, anyone sets foot in an American Embassy it’s the same as setting foot on American soil and they’re protected accordingly. That’s international diplomatic protocal anywhere in the world where two nations agree to diplomatic relations. In this sad case our diplomats allowed the Chinese government to take charge of Chen who entered our embassy seeking our assistance. We abandoned him and his family. Unless there is some kind of agreement in the works with the Chinese government freeing Chen and his family, this will become a significant campaign issue.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
9:23 pm
They both- No offense,,,,,,,,, but what else should it be called
A movement orchestrated by the left in their attempt to force full equal marriage rights to homosexuals.
They figure if they can get it thru the Army, they can pass it for the whole country. The lawsuits were filed a long time ago in case you were wondering.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:24 pm
and once again
Until “gay” quotas are implemented…….. You are just crying like a little biatch…………………………
Don’t let your prejudices show too much on here
There are even “gays” in in your town if you can believe that
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
9:25 pm
HE DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM…………………….
The swiftboating dittoheads don’t care about phony soliders.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
9:26 pm
they both suck,
I can’t speak for JKL2 but I think what a lot of us cons think is that we don’t really care if gays serve in the military. My point is that I just don’t want all sorts of special accomodations made for one group of people and what would be a very small minority at that. That’s all. Otherwise let them serve.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:27 pm
JKL2
If this, if that…. what if, blah….. blah, blah
What is the current legislation or “order” from the WH being worked on to back up your assertion or you just talking out of your @ss?
Don’t be a Casual and can’t back up your BS….. then need Recon and Thulsa to assist in defusing the situation
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
9:27 pm
“It was a challenge for a black man to become a soldier in the Civil War,” McGill said… “I’m a member of the Massachusetts Regiment and I have a story to tell you…”
Dang it. I missed it.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
9:27 pm
Josef – good! Just got this in my email and I’m pretty sure you’ll appreciate it!
Women
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While creating women, God made a promise to men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world.
And then He smiled and made the earth round
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
9:28 pm
“There are even “gays” in in your town if you can believe that”
What the hell? They’ve made it to Atlanta now? Criminy
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
9:28 pm
josef- but where DO you draw the line between just being who you are and getting on a soapbox?
People who go on to lead a normal life are OK. Those that hold press conferences, not so much. Don’t ask don’t tell worked fine when they let the system work.
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:29 pm
JKL
Tell me, just how would legal recognition of my and unmentionable’s relationship harm you?
Both..
In his town? He has them in his family…as we all do…
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
9:30 pm
There are none to very few homosexual troopers in special operations. I guess that’s understandable, however, I don’t understand why we don’t have at least a population percentage representation of Blacks in special ops.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:30 pm
TD
got you and understand your opinion on the issue
JKL2 is just making diarrhea at the mouth as he is prone to do on many occasions
I can respect him for his service in it self………. outside of that he seems to be a hate filled, rhetoric drive nothing
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:31 pm
“Both..
In his town? He has them in his family…as we all do…”
BINGO……… HELLO……………………. CAN YOU HEAR ME
I didn’t want to get that close……………… but glad someone did
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:32 pm
JKL
Normal lives…that is just too funny for words…do you think it’s normal to go through a day without any hint you’re married…try it and get back with me
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:33 pm
“Don’t ask don’t tell worked fine when they let the system work.”
Are you not telling me that you are straight or should I assume when I see your gf or wife?
Wonder how our respected and top ally Israel’s military handles it?
hmmmmmmmmmmm
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
9:34 pm
Josef- Well, I for one have a serious problem with quotas, coming as I do from a classification where quotas were used to limit the number let in..
I understand, but in this case it is letting in unqualified people because someone who has never served in the military thinks it would be “neat” if we matched the population demographics (in spite of what the actual makeup of the service is or job qualifications.)
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:35 pm
“There are none to very few homosexual troopers in special operations”
OK
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:37 pm
Doggone
Loved it!
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:38 pm
Keep running at the mouth about quotes but no evidence of quotes for gays as you keep saying might come……
Deal with it when it comes…….. Thanks again for your service, however I’m absolutely certain that the top brass in all branches will not be reaching out to you for an opinion on that issue……
You might even do business at the Pentagon, but I will say again that you will not be part of that decision………
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
9:41 pm
“Loved it!”
Yeah, me too!
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
9:41 pm
“I don’t understand why we don’t have at least a population percentage representation of Blacks in special ops.”
Yes. JKL2 and I were talking about that. Its kind of a mystery. JKL2 attributes it to lower education levels and some physical attributes. In the Navy and Marine Corps it could bring up another sterotype that a lot of black men don’t swim well. Incidentally the marine corps has a good recruiting commerical on tv about a black marine who had fears of swimming and overcame them to become a special ops operator. It starts out with him on the high dive platform. Still doesn’t explain the lack of blacks in army special forces like rangers and green berets.
Thomas
May 3rd, 2012
9:42 pm
Good evening Jay- You took it on yourself to scold a blogger the other day about the robust shape of the economy. Maybe a little less hookah and a little more reality. in shallah
Recent employment data has been relatively mixed, however when taken together the reports suggest continued softness in the labor market. While weekly initial jobless claims fell by 27k to 365k in the week ending April 28, the 4-week moving average ticked higher to 383.5k from the prior 382.8k. This was the fourth consecutive increase in the moving average – an overall increase of 20.7k over the past month. This is not an encouraging sign as it indicates the labor market slowly moving in the wrong direction. Furthermore, the employment components of both the Institute for Supply Management (ISM) manufacturing and ISM non-manufacturing surveys diverged in April with the manufacturing print climbing to 57.3 from 56.1 while the services reading declined to 54.2 from the prior 56.7. As a much larger portion of the US economy is comprised of the service sector, we place a heavier weighting on the ISM-services employment component
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
9:42 pm
Homosexuals are a very small segment of the American population, so I guess if some want to serve in the military that’s okay as long as they don’t get cocky.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
9:42 pm
Should the military you served in or still serve in check all medals to determine what JKL2s criteria is in terms of what they earned and how they earned it?
They call it AR 600-8-22.
I will say they get a little carried away will timelines. We have some people come work for us that we have to submit a medal request before they actually start working in order to get it approved before they leave.
I guess it would be the equivalent to giving obama a Nobel after two weeks on the job.
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:43 pm
Del
That’s just too funny…
BOTH
Israel,,,kinda funny that when your back’s to the wall how little such things mean, eh? I read an interesting article once from a former Mossad agent who said that gays made the best agents since they were used to wearing a false face to fit in…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:46 pm
JKL2
I hope that you have earned whatever medals you have received and people do not question you as you seem so boldly to question others about theirs………
But that is your core…….. No surprise……..
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
9:47 pm
“I guess it would be the equivalent to giving obama a Nobel after two weeks on the job.”
Now THAT would be funny!
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
9:47 pm
they both- My whole point is that sexual preference however you want to define it shouldn’t be a hang up for you
It’s not. I had a gay roommate for two years in college.
It’s kind of like I was never called a racist until I turned 44 and moved to Georgia. The qualification for being a racist here seems to mean you’re white. Heaven forbid what happens when you call obama an idiot…
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:47 pm
Del
Ten percent is not exactly VERY small…small, true, but significant…
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
9:50 pm
Recon, Nice one on gays not getting too cocky. I’m gonna steal that and use it if anyone every wants to talk to me about the gays in the military issue.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:52 pm
well call me when the quotas hit and it impacts your job
if it impacts you personally…….. deal with it
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:54 pm
JKL2
Follow the regs……………… or get out when your enlistment is up, or resign your commission if you inclined
many grin and bear it…… regardless of the reg…… or they get out
Don't Forget
May 3rd, 2012
9:56 pm
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
8:51 pm
I like day 35: How long do you think obama can get away with using “it’s Bush’s fault”?
You miss the point as usual. Even at day 35 the R’s would not acknowledge what a mess Obama was left with and you still don’t. Doesn’t matter whose fault it was, (I think it was repeal of Glass Steagall more than anything else) it was still the worst crash since the great depression and look how long it took to come back from that.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
9:57 pm
and the UK military?
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
9:57 pm
Doomy, when I was in Marine Corps Infantry and later Recon we were all ass hole to elbow together in the $hit and I don’t think there was anyone who was even considered as gay. Doesn’t mean there wasn’t but our Corps I don’t think was all that attractive to those who were sexually attracted to the same sex.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
9:58 pm
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone who was impacted by quotas.
Josef
May 3rd, 2012
9:58 pm
Got a b*tch of a day in the high court tomorrow. An f up I can’t blame anyone but myself for…
I’ll leave it to y’all to decide what to do with me and my kind…let me know what you decide…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
9:59 pm
Josef- Tell me, just how would legal recognition of my and unmentionable’s relationship harm you?
Both..In his town? He has them in his family…as we all do
Do what you want. Just don’t take the tax deduction/benefits for starting a family when it is physically impossible for the two of you to make a baby. If your company what’s to give them to you as an additional benefit, that is their right(not a right from God) Otherwise, there are already laws on the books that cover any other scenario you can come up with.
I have gay brother-in-law. None on my side of the family.
PS: I use the term gay because that’s the term I’ve used for 46 years. Kind of like black or indian. I use them because my black friends say they are “black” and my indian friends say they are “indians”. I’m embarrassed using Afrincan-American since many couldn’t point out Africa on a map, and have as much of a connection to the continent as I do.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
10:02 pm
“Just don’t take the tax deduction/benefits for starting a family when it is physically impossible for the two of you to make a baby”
So anyone who adopts a child is not eligible to take tax deductions for “starting” a family? Interesting concept. Have you discussed this with anyone you know who has adopted children?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:03 pm
they both- outside of that he seems to be a hate filled, rhetoric drive nothing
To quote someone you never heard of, “if I was any more relaxed I would be in a coma.”
All the hate is on the left. If you don’t believe me, turn on the TV and check out your latest OWS rally.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:03 pm
Nobody has as much of a connection to the Kentucky Derby’s winner’s circle as I do.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:05 pm
Nobody has as much of a connection to Charlemagne’s HRE as much as I do.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:05 pm
Josef- do you think it’s normal to go through a day without any hint you’re married…try it and get back with me
Sounds like you have some commitment issues.
I remember a year in Iraq that was like I wasn’t married…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:08 pm
“All the hate is on the left. If you don’t believe me, turn on the TV and check out your latest OWS rally.”
cant speak for them……………….. but hate is all over
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:08 pm
Nobody has less commitment issues as I do.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
10:10 pm
Off to Zulu land pretty soon…y’all have a nice evening. Taps
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
10:11 pm
josef:
“I will agree with you on the Kangaroo court…I do not presuppose to interpret the religious end of what the Christ means to Christians…and I appreciate the rational discussion,,,I see you’re out, so we’ll take this up again at sometime in the future…”
Christ was crucified because the Jewish leaders wanted him dead for the crime of blasphemy.
He claimed to be God !
“Before Abraham was I AM !” (John
“48The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”
49“I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”
52At this the Jews exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”
54Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57“You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
58“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:11 pm
they both- Wonder how our respected and top ally Israel’s military handles it?
Since obama and his “friends” are looking to wipe them off the face of the Earth, I think they have bigger problems to worry about.
Other countries deal with the nightmares. Mostly going against the utopian society you are dreaming we have become. What do you think the outcome of a rape case would be in a country where women have little to no rights?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
10:12 pm
“Even at day 35 the R’s would not acknowledge what a mess Obama was left with and you still don’t.”
Don’t forget,
I haven’t seen any cons on here who don’t acknowledge that it was a mess when O came in. But the recession ended 6 months into office for him and jobs losses had bottomed out the month he came in.
Contrast that with Reagan who inherited a mess that consisted of 21 % interest rates and 15% inflation and a declining economy- stagflation. The fed induced recession lasted his first full 2 years and didn’t end until November of 82. And then 7 months later the economy was hummming along at a 7% growth rate and the rest is history. The man didn’t spend the first 4 years in office blaming atms, his predecessor, an earthquake, a tsunami, the Arag spring,etc.
Economic history is right there for anyone to observe going back 100 years. The deeper a recession the stronger and broader the recovery according to history. This is the only recovery we have had where that has not applied. The excuse well has run dry.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
10:13 pm
JKL2 @ 8:35 pm
Yep. Nukes are the only deterrant.
td
May 3rd, 2012
10:21 pm
“Even then, it took Obama a while to come to the realization that no matter what he did, there would be no compromise.”
I am calling BS on this one. Obama does not know the word compromise. It is either his way or nothing at all.
Why is it that Clinton could work with Newt to balance a budget and reform welfare but Obama can not work with the crybaby speaker to get anything done? Could it be because Obama has zero leadership ability? He was run over by Nancy and Harry his first two years and just took credit for Obamacare and the stimulus.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:23 pm
Nobody has as much of a connection to Sofia Vergara as I do.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm
“Since obama and his “friends” are looking to wipe them off the face of the Earth, I think they have bigger problems to worry about.”
Please cite without hyperbole and rhetoric the following:
1. How much less does Israel receive in aide since Obama took office?
2. How much less military equipment and technology do we sell to Israel since Obama took office?
3. How much less are the Mossad, CIA and FBI coordinating efforts and information since Obama took office?
Once again man………. you diarrhea at the mouth too much
Rush is not the expert on these things, nor is Maddow or Oberman……….
Answer the questions to back up your BS????????????
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:27 pm
JKL2
And nice spin, smokescreen and more bs to deflect the fact that the Israeli and UK military and intelligent forces have had gays serving for yrs without any evidence that the world came to and end?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm
Here’s the bottom line on Israel:
“NEVER AGAIN !”
If they believe they are actually going down, the Middle East will be a parking lot first.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm
“Obama does not know the word compromise. It is either his way or nothing at all. ”
Really……….. eventhough his own Party caved.. did he not present a budget with both spending cuts and tax increases
I call BS………. you are ignorant or lying
You may say the budget sucked and that is open for debate, but it was presented
next
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm
they both- hope that you have earned whatever medals you have received and people do not question you as you seem so boldly to question others about theirs
Next time Leon Panetta calls and asks my advice, I’ll let you know.
Nothing I haven’t earned, several I’ve earned I never got. Didn’t get a CAB because I wasn’t authorized to be where I was.(everyone else there got one) My counterpart I traveled with for 6.5 out of his 7 months in country got a bronze star while I got nothing (he had a better chain of command).
I don’t do it for the awards, but on the other hand I hate standing there watching others get awards we both know they didn’t earn because their leaders where good at paperwork and mine weren’t.
Dying fighting to save others is one thing. Jumping on a hand grenade is something else. That’s more like a Silver Star to me.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm
Dont got to sleep JKL2
back up your bull$hit
Let’s see it with fact……………….
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm
“Why is it that Clinton could work with Newt ”
For your own interest…try checking into Newt’s staff’s opinion on leaving him alone with Clinton.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm
JKL2
You are more than welcome to your opinion……. once again hope you earned what your received and received what you earned
HE DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM…..
NEVER FORGET THAT
You might want to start a campaign to discredit those who have fought for this country? You have that right
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm
don’t forget- You miss the point as usual. Even at day 35 the R’s would not acknowledge what a mess Obama was left with and you still don’t
I guess he should take it up with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid since they were running the show.
Time to drain the swamp.
td
May 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm
“Obama does not know the word compromise. It is either his way or nothing at all. ”
Really……….. eventhough his own Party caved.. did he not present a budget with both spending cuts and tax increases
Do you mean the budget that the house voted down 414-0 or the budget that the Senate voted down 96-0?
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
10:34 pm
they both suck,
To be fair on no 1 and 2 no U.S. president no matter how much they disagree with Israel is going to cut aid to them- especially in an election year. And on top of that a lot of those contracts and committments were probably worked out years in advance.
On no. 3 none of us really knows the degree of cooperation between us and Israel in intelligence matters currently. We just aint privy to that.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm
td
I said the Dems caved
Did he present it or not?
Yes or no?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm
doggone- So anyone who adopts a child is not eligible to take tax deductions for “starting” a family? Interesting concept. Have you discussed this with anyone you know who has adopted children?
go back and reread my original comment. I already covered that one.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:37 pm
Thulsa @ 10:34
Exactly……………. JK is spout diarrhea from the mouth……….
That assertion has no facts to back it up…..
he is not answering because it flies in the face of his bull$hit
td
May 3rd, 2012
10:38 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm
Are you trying to tell us that the budget he presented was legitimate when even the progressive caucus and the CBC thought it was so extreme that they voted no? Technically you are correct but if you want to say it is legitimate then I have some beach front property in Kansas I want to sell you.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
10:38 pm
Headline: “Will gay aide’s exit bite Romney?”
Ah …………………………….. nevermind. TMI !
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:39 pm
“To be fair on no 1 and 2 no U.S. president no matter how much they disagree with Israel is going to cut aid to them- especially in an election year”
hasn’t been cut in an year since Obama took office, so that statement is meaningless
the facts are the facts…… what we want to believe, what we think, etc is our right to do so……. but if it is without merit and put out as fact…… It should and will be challenged
And again,,,,,,,,,,,,, he has $HIT except for what he thinks and a right wing talk show host programmed him to believe
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm
They BOTH suck
The word you are looking for is verborrhea.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm
td
Ryans budget by the same CBO says it wont work unless we have 2.8% unemployment…..
You crying about that?
No you are not
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
10:41 pm
“DIVIDER IN CHIEF”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/divider-in-chief/2012/05/03/gIQAMPR0zT_story.html?hpid=z2
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:41 pm
Kam
It is Diarrhea……… He is $hitting all over himself with rhetoric, talking pts and hyperbole……………. little to no facts
td
May 3rd, 2012
10:42 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm
At least it is a budget that gets some support. I say put in the spending cuts for two years and then we can talk about increasing revenue.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:44 pm
they both- Answer the questions to back up your BS????????????
Hot off the press: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/you_cant_be_pro-obama_and_pro-israel.html
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:45 pm
td
You have never read a post where I defended all of Obama’s spending, Bush’s spending, Reagan’s spending, etc, etc
You stated no compromise and I showed you different. If his party wants to be pu$$ies like politicians in both parties….. so be it
that doesn’t mean he didn’t do what you said he didnt….
that is all I’m saying
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:47 pm
Technically you are correct but if you want to say it is legitimate…
He never claimed it was “legitimate”, he said it was presented.
If you want to say he asserted it was “legitimate”, I have some beach front property in Kansas I want to sell you.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:47 pm
JKL2
all that time and the article doesn’t answer any of the questions I asked
if you are not smart enough to realize what I was asking…… It was for you to produce something tangible and to get away from right or left leaning opinions
We see you were unable as usual to do so
But thanks for trying
Give you a D plus
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:50 pm
have a great night and an even better tomorrow
That includes JKL2, and td as well
Thulsa………. you know we are good
peace
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:51 pm
Ooooh, the American Thinker.
Couldn’t you come up with something from HotAir, AmSpec, RedState or even Breitbart?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:52 pm
they both- HE DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM…..NEVER FORGET THAT
I Know too many people that died. Sorry, but some guy I never heard of who jumped on a hand grenade is not on my list. Feel free to put him on yours. I’d think of Alvin from “boys in company C” first.
You might want to start a campaign to discredit those who have fought for this country? You have that right
I would say John Kerry, but I can’t do anything to discredit him he hasn’t already done to himself. You might try jamvet though. He only thinks Soldier’s from Vietnam deserve credit.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:53 pm
Kam
It will be World Net Daily next?
http://www.wnd.com/
Makes Daily Kos and Move On seem mainstream and that is bad
bu2
May 3rd, 2012
10:54 pm
Jay, do you ever listen to Obama? He accuses the Republicans of trying to weaken the country, of not being “one of us” and that anybody who doesn’t agree with him is disloyal or dishonest. And yes, that type of behavior from a President is very new and very dangerous. He doesn’t understand he is the President of all the people, not just people who agree with him (i.e. the left wing of the Democratic party). He talks a good game about compromise and then refuses to and attacks anyone who doesn’t do things his way. We’ve never had anyone who so totally failed to understand the job. If it was Biden or Reid or Pelosi talking that way, that would be one thing. But this is the “divider in chief.”
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
10:56 pm
td- Are you trying to tell us that the budget he presented was legitimate when even the progressive caucus and the CBC thought it was so extreme that they voted no?
Sums up the current administration. Quantity over quality. “Look at all the neat stuff we passed. I can’t wait to read it to figure out what we passed”
It’s going to take the next administration to fix all the crap this one screwed up. I’ll give you ACA as exhibit one.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:57 pm
JKL2
he died for you
Let me know when the military has you leading the panel to determine who and when medals should be awarded to and for what
Don’t continue to hate on people like yourself who have served and made the ultimate sacrifice for this country…….. even those that are gay or straight
and where are your stats to back up your Israel BS?
You $hit and $hit at the mouth………….
bless your heart and good night
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
10:57 pm
“I Know too many people that died.”
did they all die for freedom and the US?
Nite………….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
10:59 pm
He doesn’t understand he is the President of all the people, not just people who agree with him (i.e. the left wing of the Democratic party).
Too funny, sport.
The only group more pissed at Obama than Republicans, is the “left wing of the Democratic party.”
Just sayin’.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:01 pm
kamchak- Couldn’t you come up with something from HotAir, AmSpec, RedState or even Breitbart?
I think even your gerbil could google that one. Enjoy!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
11:02 pm
This says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af6VgvkWq48
“Never Again !”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 3rd, 2012
11:04 pm
OH NOES! NOT THE GERBIL CARD!!
I’m melting…melting…melting….
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:08 pm
they both- Let me know when the military has you leading the panel to determine who and when medals should be awarded to and for what
Let Panetta know I’m waiting for his call. I’m on the global so he has the number, fax, email, and address.
-You $hit and $hit at the mouth
very nice. I’m glad you outed a Medal of Honor winner as being homosexual. I’m sure it will make his family proud.
Keep hating! obama needs more sheeple.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:11 pm
JKL2
the already know dumb FVCK
You are a hateful $hit
nite
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:12 pm
follow the regs or get the F out……………. if you are not already out
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:15 pm
I dont have any facts but Rush told me that Obama is allied with those who want to “blow Israel off the map” and I believe him….
It is true you know…….. heard it on Rush, Medved and Savage
hahahahahahhaha
talk about sheep……. you are in the middle of the flock
well actually…… you seem to be more like a lemming
Keep the laughs coming
td
May 3rd, 2012
11:15 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:11 pm
your last post is nothing more then a prime example of what the left does when they can not argue the facts or philosophy. Personal attacks just shows ignorance or defending a failed philosophy and values.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:18 pm
td
why no mention of JKL2 calling people savage
You are the last one that needs to talk about substance?
Guess you couldn’t’ help JKL2 with his assertions about Obama and Israel either………..
Go figure
It was a lie and you decided to not call him out……. and you know it is a lie
look in the mirror before calling me out
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:19 pm
calling people sheeple
excuse me
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:22 pm
-they both
Here are all kinds of pretty number for you since your google is broken: http://www.rense.com/general31/rege.htm
Bottom line: obama and his friends are getting ready to wipe them from the face of the Earth. They have bigger problems to worry about than gays in the military.
PS: when hs obama good buddy Bernadine Dorn sending over her next flotilla to invade Israeli waters? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrX7fznVgI
I can just feel the love…
td
May 3rd, 2012
11:23 pm
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:18 pm
When have I used personal attacks against bloggers? There is a huge difference between the word savage and the in the gutter attacks you exhibited.
As far as his claim, I can neither defend it or deny it because we really do not know. We do know that the leadership in Israel does not seem to be happy with the way they have been treated by this administration because they have gone public. You were correct that we have not reduced aid to Israel. The rest of the argument is really a guess on both parties.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:27 pm
JKL2
It doesn’t answer the questions, yet you keep coming with hyperbole and rhetoric…….
Even Reagan and Bush Sr called Israel out at times………. You are mad because a Democrat has also done it, but in-terms of tangible evidence on support you have nothing except your continued biased bs
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:28 pm
they both- did they all die for freedom and the US?
All the ones I know. Not a grenade flopper or suicide in the bunch.
Speaking of the fun loving left, when are they going to get around to prosecuting the terrorist from Ft Hood? Two of those killed were mine. But we wouldn’t want to offend any Muslims by prosecuting a murderer when we’re too busy suing AZ for doing the Feds job for them…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm
kamchak- The only group more pissed at Obama than Republicans, is the “left wing of the Democratic party.”
Just another example of where all the hate truly is.
Thanks, sport.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:30 pm
gutter attacks because a blogger has continued to be unable to back up what he says and basically discount someone’s service
yes that is $hitting from the mouth………………….
Is that is what you call it? ………… go right ahead and tear it up.. be my guest
You are welcome to pass me by as we all have that option
You need to read JKL2s post on a regualr basis and put your political bias down before lecturing me
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:32 pm
“All the ones I know”
who would have guessed…… me and mine are real Americans
Those who do not have my preferences and ideology are fake
You do make this a funny blog
Keep them coming
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:34 pm
oh lord
Obama and his allies are going to blow up Israel
oh lord……. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I heard it on Rush and Medved and I have 100 right leanign website to back me up….
It it so so true
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I have not tangible substance but…. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:35 pm
and as for the terrorist at Ft Hood
That is not my call…….. they can try and fry tomorrow for all I care
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:36 pm
they both- the already know dumb FVCK You are a hateful $hit
Sorry you are finding the truth painful. Since I didn’t read anywhere in the citation that he was gay, I am going to have to congratulate you for outing a Medal of Honor winner as a homosexual to a whole new generation.
Maybe you could bring it up at the next GLBTQ meeting and they could hold a parade or something for him. Give him the recognition you feel he deserves. I’m such a hater I just did a fundraiser for them last week. I could give you contact info if you need it.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:38 pm
GLBTQ meetings
That is your business. Invite josef to you next one
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:39 pm
they both- why no mention of JKL2 calling people savage
Cite please.
John Kerry called them “baby killers”. But we all know he gets a free pass for having a (D) behind his name. Street cred for lying to Congress about it too.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm
He died for you JKL2….. just like those you know and others straight and gay since the before the inception of this country
Keep hating……… Denial isn’t the river in Egypt
You and yours the only “real” heroes
You keep believing that………
Got anything besides right wing news to answer the question on Israel?
Thouht so>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep $hitting at the mouth
Until the next time
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:42 pm
td- your last post is nothing more then a prime example of what the left does when they can not argue the facts or philosophy. Personal attacks just shows ignorance or defending a failed philosophy and values
Well said. Democrat playbook 101: When you can’t compete with ideas, personally attack the messenger.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:42 pm
if you read clearly,,,,,,,,, I corrected that and said “sheeple”
keep up
and keep crying……….
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:44 pm
they Both: 11:41
Thought you were going to bed an hour ago. Crying yourself to sleep or having nightmares about the “evil rich”?
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
11:44 pm
What was Kerry charged with or not?
Isnt the right wing folk hero Ollie North a convicted felon?
My memory isn’t clear
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:50 pm
they both- Those who do not have my preferences and ideology are fake
I know you’re all hung up on your Dad’s homosexual buddies, but quit lying.
I just don’t promote MOH’s for self inflicted injuries. It’s like saying I’m a war hero because I was in the Army and died when I wrecked my motorcycle on vaction.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
11:50 pm
American politics is the best reality show on television.
That gop primary was hilarious.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
11:58 pm
they both- GLBTQ meetings That is your business
Spoken like a true Democrat. You call me names but when it comes time for the rubber to meet the road you’re all talk and no action. You feel the need to honor your Dad’s homosexual friend but insult me for not wanting to share you’re pride in outing him as a MOH winner.
(in your best Democrat voice) ‘Somebody needs to help that poor man. Don’t bother me because it would take away from my precious computer time. But somebody really needs to help that poor man”
JKL2
May 4th, 2012
12:05 am
they both- He died for you JKL2….. just like those you know and others straight and gay since the before the inception of this country
Never heard anyone ever use that line so much outside of church.
-Keep hating……… Denial isn’t the river in Egypt (new obama slogan?)
You and yours the only “real” heroes. You keep believing that………
-now you sound like jamvet (if you weren’t in Vietnam it wasn’t a real war)
-Got anything besides right wing news to answer the question on Israel?
Since anything else would be someone kissing obama’s a$$ I’m going to have to say know. Still doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Thouht so>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep $hitting at the mouth
-You seem to be hung up on this line. Is that part of the story your Dad told you about his friend?
Until the next time (accept I mean what I say)
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
5:28 am
MORE OF THIS, PLEASE!!!
Aviva suffered a major shareholder revolt yesterday after more than half of the votes at its annual meeting failed to back the insurer’s pay awards.
In another sign of growing investor activism, the defeat came despite chief executive Andrew Moss this week waiving a near-5% pay rise which would have taken his annual salary over the £1m mark.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/business-news/shareholders-reject-aviva-pay-plans-at-annual-meeting-16154132.html#ixzz1ttLAcurG
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
5:30 am
The embarrassing defeat follows a similar showdown between shareholders and banking giant Barclays, in which nearly a third of votes failed to back its remuneration report after chief executive Bob Diamond took a £17.7m pay package for 2011.
Similar scenes were playing out at Hovis to Mr Kipling owner Premier Foods’ annual meeting, where just over 30% of shareholder votes failed to back the remuneration report. Premier, which saw its shares slide around 70% in 2011, paid around £3.5m to its executives last year, including a £1.9m “golden hello” for new chief executive Michael Clarke when he joined eight months ago.
(from the same article above)
Stevie Ray...Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right here I am....
May 4th, 2012
5:49 am
Does anyone know how to eliminate the Meebar that keeps popping up on my screen from AJC site? Maybe I’m the only one and it’s not AJC? Thoughts?
Thanks
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
6:12 am
Stevie,
The icon on the right of the bar click it and you’ll see “hide meebar”…
BTW Great Luckovich this morning…check him out>
Top of the day to you USinUK
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
6:12 am
USinUK
Power to the people!!
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
6:33 am
Yesterday I was riding for home on my Vulcan when I passed another rider going the other way. I shot him a peace sign like bikers do and I noticed that he was every bit as old as I am. I kinda chuckled, thinking there goes another kindred spirit trying to stay young and thinking he’s still the Midnight Rider just like me. Then a thought struck me and I laughed out loud and I started singing…”They ain’t gonna catch me, no they ain’t gonna catch the geriatric rider…”
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
6:36 am
…then I find this…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/05/03/political-pictures-to-moria/
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
6:42 am
Lest we forget…
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/national-guard-kills-four-at-kent-state
cloudodust
May 4th, 2012
6:51 am
Can we please focus on the positive accomplishments of this administration..? (Insert crickets chirping and I don’t mean Buddy Holly…)
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
6:54 am
Cloud.
President Obama has been a good President, is a good President and will be a good President for four more years…get used to it.
Ronnie Raygun
May 4th, 2012
7:00 am
Since Republican leadership has been outed as plotting their “no compromise” course in a meeting on Obama’s inauguration day, claiming that they aren’t the source of divisiveness is a bald faced lie.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:02 am
Normal – power to the people???
POWER TO THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!
START TAKING CONTROL OF THE COMPANY YOU FLIPPIN OWN!!!
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:02 am
Ronnie – 7:00 – we hold these things to be self-evident
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:06 am
Normal – 6:36 – (chuckling)
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
7:09 am
You’re right Jay, Obama went out of his way to include the Republicans in all of his dealings with healthcare. I don’t know how I missed that.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
7:11 am
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:02 am
I don’t own any stock so I guess all I can do is offer moral support…
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:11 am
“Obama went out of his way to include the Republicans in all of his dealings with healthcare”
yeah. healthcare. THAT was the problem.
other than that, the republicans have been TRYING to play nice in the sandbox, but the mean old Obama won’t let them.
laugh.
effing.
RIOT.
TaxPayer
May 4th, 2012
7:11 am
The Party of No has made its intention quite clear from the very start of President Obama’s administration. From “You Lie” to “I Object” and everything in between, up to and including Birther Madness. The Party of No has taken the opposite position on whatever the president has favored purely out of their desire to oust him. They have had no other more pressing goal (then again, they do love their war on women…) but to make President Obama a one-term president and they even proudly proclaim that goal. The GOP cares nothing about the 99 percent and it shows every day. They care only about claiming more power for themselves and their backers, especially the Koch crooks. And YouTube is your friend in case you need proof.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:12 am
Oh, and while I’m thinking aobut it …
HAPPY STAR WARS DAY!!!! MAY THE 4TH BE WITH YOU
Jay
May 4th, 2012
7:14 am
“You’re right Jay, Obama went out of his way to include the Republicans in all of his dealings with healthcare. I don’t know how I missed that.”
Oh, I have a pretty darn good idea how that happened.
Brosephus™
May 4th, 2012
7:18 am
G’Morning USinner & Normal..
I’m sure this topic generated more defense than Mr. Miyagi could ever teach.
Normal
Re Kent State… That was something I learned about in elementary school. There was a tv movie made about it that came out in 1981 that was filmed less than 10 miles from my home.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082608/maindetails
TaxmyEnemies
May 4th, 2012
7:25 am
Please,
Tell me how great Obama is when he actually has a realistic budget proposal. Tell me how great he is when he has a Justice Department going after black panther thugs as hard as Arizona governors. Tell me how great he is when he doesn’t pop off about state criminal matters before knowing the facts. Tell me of his greatness when he has actually kept a promise. The party of Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Joe Biden and Chappaquiddick Ted has no room to complain about rhetoric or partisanship.
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
7:27 am
Funny, I don’t remember any bipartisan meetings before the bill was introduced. Maybe they were held in confidence? It’s nice to blame the R’s but doesn’t that show a lack of leadership on his part? Reagan was not very popular with the D’s but he managed to work with them. Clinton wasn’t very popular with the R’s but he managed to work with them. Both Bush’s did manage to get bipartisan support on major issues (not talking about the effectiveness of those things they did, just the fact that they managed to work together) . Even Carter managed to pull both sidess together despite the usual tug and pull of partisan politics. At some point, I hope he realizes he is the President of the US, not the ruler of the US.
TaxPayer
May 4th, 2012
7:29 am
I don’t think TaxmyEnemies can handle the truth.
TaxPayer
May 4th, 2012
7:30 am
Poor Mad Max. Memory loss is not a good sign.
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:32 am
”They ain’t gonna catch me, no they ain’t gonna catch the geriatric rider…”
an’ I got one more Met-a-mucil…
Brosephus™
May 4th, 2012
7:32 am
Mad Max
Did Reagan, Clinton, Carter, or Bush have the opposition come out and state to the American people that their main objective was to make them a one-term president? Try as you might, there is a whole new level of opposition that Obama faces that no other president has faced before. Obama made the key point of the ACA an idea that the GOP championed, and they gave him the finger. Obama has made himself look like he has no spine trying to appease a group that is hell bent on having him voted out of office. Anybody unwilling to see that is fooling themselves.
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
7:35 am
Taxpayer – please enlighten me with the times dates and attendees of these consultations on healthcare. I do remember once, he ADDRESSED the GOP and scalded them for not signing on, that is not not leadership, that is dictatorship.
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
7:35 am
sorry… scolded, not scalded
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
7:35 am
Bro’
I was a month away from getting out of the Navy when Kent State happened. It made me mad as hell and I truly thought that there was going to be a revolution. I thought that Nixon had miscalculated about who he was dealing with. It wasn’t just students but there were thousands of disgruntled veterans out there that were mad as hell too…and they knew how to fight. I think that the only thing that saved our nation from a terrible page in its history was that there was no leader with the charisma to carry the flag for the people. But every time I hear “Ohio” I think about how close we might have come…
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
7:36 am
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:32 am
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:37 am
Given a quick scan of the nuttiness here, I gotta ask what Amanda’s asking:
“Do wingnuts really believe all that crazy stuff?”
per usual, she makes a great case, which is excerpted below–but do read the whole thing, por favor…
that they also believe that feminists and Planned Parenthood are part of an elaborate conspiracy to abort every pregnancy in the country, for no other reason than we hate fetuses. From their rhetoric, it’s clear they believe the abortion rate is many times higher than it is, and that the fact that women have 1 or 2 children instead of 9 or 10 on average is strictly because of secret abortions. For instance, Jon Kyle’s famous “90%” number when talking about Planned Parenthood’s services puts their abortion rate at about 30 times what it is. Since there are about 1.2 milllion abortions a year, going off that kind of rough estimating done on the right, you’re left with realizing they believe there’s something like 15 to 30 million abortions a year. I’ve never seen that number bandied about, but right wing rhetoric points to this belief that Kyle’s belief that Planned Parenthood is doing 30 times the abortions there are, and that abortion is the main, and possibly only reason, for the current American birth rate. A lot of conservatives have taunted me personally with assumptions that I’m constantly getting abortions with my slutty slut self, so you can see why people who also believe that Obama is a covert agent might think there’s some secret underground conspiracy of feminists to emasculate men by secretly stealing away the womb fruit that proves their American seed works. The 4 million proof-their-fathers-had-sex-things we call babies born a year are seen as the rare escapees from the pro-choice conspiracy to wipe out all proof of American virility.
When you think about stuff like this, you have to wonder. Do they really believe this sh#t?
[...]
In my experience, the healthiest people (besides those who largely avoid the habit of “belief”) are those who have a strict divide between accuracy-beliefs and myth-beliefs. God stays in church where he belongs, etc. But some people struggle a lot and confuse the two kinds of believing. They’re overly literal in their belief in the supernatural, for one thing. But I think it clearly goes the other way, too, which is that they start to structure their understanding of the reality-based world on the same kinds of myth-making that denotes religion. So, for instance, you have this right wing worship of Sperm Magic and this conflation of male dominance with virility, a magical belief that causes them to make the fetus a symbol of masculine power and see abortion as a ritualistic rejection of it. That, in turn, spurs a belief that feminists are literally trying to abort as many pregnancies as possible, because we supposedly hate men, the only reason they allow for why we might not want men to rule us. This, in turn, creates elaborate conspiracy theories about how Planned Parenthood is trying to subvert the nation and how they secretly are doing 30 times as many abortions as they are, etc. They struggle to understand where accuracy-belief and myth-belief differ.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 4th, 2012
7:37 am
I repeat conservative economic policies created this.
The GOP wants to rough up the messenger.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:41 am
“Clinton wasn’t very popular with the R’s but he managed to work with them”
ohsweetjeebus, you people on the right crack me the hell up …
I love how nearly 20 years has enabled you to finally say that, yes, Clinton reached out across the aisle to work with the GOP …
and who did he reach out to??? GINGRICH. who basically, spit in his face.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
7:42 am
NORMAL,
Thanks but I was hoping to never see it again..
JAY, this appears to be from Krauthammer’s of the 3rd. Are you suggesting all the “paying fair share” rhetoric, Travon shooting response (not very presidential)et al are not divisive…violence and threats resulting from both…
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
7:44 am
Bro… you have a short memory. Both Bush and Clinton suffered in the same way. The attacks from the opposition were frequent, acrimonious and unrelenting. The difference is that they worked together to make thingss happen and made compromises to get their agenda passed. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t but they worked with the opposition. Compromise is working together, not taking one or two ideas from the other party and saying”what the heck are you complaining about, I put this in for you”. Generally, it’s like a lawyer asking a question where you don’t know what the answer will be. If you don’t know the answer, don’t ask the question. The difference is leadership.
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:44 am
Travon shooting response (not very presidential)
oh for f-ck’s sake.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:44 am
“A lot of conservatives have taunted me personally with assumptions that I’m constantly getting abortions with my slutty slut self”
of course we are …
those “pampered chef” parties??? really abortion parties
that’s just how we roll.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
7:45 am
JAY,
Also in Krauthammers writing was that whole woe as me student (average starting salary of $160K) wanting the public (average salary $52K) to pay for her contraception….not divisive???? How about the healthcare bill hastily jammed down our throats with 60% public opposition…the list goes on…
Doggone/GA
May 4th, 2012
7:46 am
“It made me mad as hell ”
It did me too, and it was Kent State the taught me that government “for the people, by the people” sounds good on paper…but it doesn’t hold up when government has the guns and the people don’t.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
7:47 am
STANDS,
Don’t you think if he felt need to pop off on that topic he should have emphasized innocent until proven guilty and please no aggresive action (Black Panthers…Spike Lee)? It’s for your debate sake I mention and whimpy shout down is concession of argument.
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:47 am
those “pampered chef” parties??? really abortion parties
You mean that pizza stone Mrs. sfd bought some years back KILT BAYBEEZ!!???//???
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:47 am
stevie ray – first of all, the contraception discussion was NOT about taxpayers paying for contraception … nice try, but WRONG
secondly, health care took more than a YEAR to pass (march 2010, to be exact) … hastily??? not so much
Jay
May 4th, 2012
7:48 am
In other words, Stevie, I was right: Anything that Obama does that you do not like is “divisive,” and “unity” would require his surrender.
Mick
May 4th, 2012
7:48 am
Republicans don’t offer answers, they are the problem! They just have gone too far right with their bizarro ideology and defend it at all costs. Every time there is a democrat in the white house, we have to endure their gutter politics, it’s a real turn off…
Call It Like It Is
May 4th, 2012
7:48 am
“Try as you might, there is a whole new level of opposition that Obama faces that no other president has faced before.”
Hate to break it too you, but this is nothing new. Your either too young, naive, or don’t have a very good grasp of history. Sorry everything cant be googled, but to think Obama is getting treated “special” is just silly. Epic failure.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:48 am
dB … no, it was a party favor …
Gale
May 4th, 2012
7:49 am
Normal: @6:42 Thanks for reminding me. Do you remember that day? I do.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:50 am
OHNOESSSSSSS
THE BLACK PANTHERERERSES ARE COMING TO GET US!!!
oy to the vey.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
7:50 am
USNUK,
So taxpayers wouldn’t be on hook for subsidies to pay for that crap…do you understand how insurance works? Appears not. Regarding healthcare…do you recall Pelosi’s historic commentary…..”…you will know what’s in it after it passes….” Wrong on both points..
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:50 am
Don’t you think if he felt need to pop off on that topic he should have emphasized innocent until proven guilty and please no aggresive action (Black Panthers…Spike Lee)?
SR, I don’t know the entirety of this Administration’s response(s) to that particular case, I’m sure they’ve asserted a need for calm and if you or I were to look it up we’d not be disappointed.
But yes, I too absorbed the soundbite you’re surely referring to, where the President had the temerity to suggest that he sympathized with the agony of Trayvon’s parents. That’s what has the right wing’s panties in a wad, and for you to cite that as a primo example of Obama being a “divider” is off-the-rails dumb.
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
7:51 am
USinUK – the bottom line is that Clinton did work with the R’s to get things done and he accepted some defeats along the way. He didn’t spend his entire presidency whining about losing Hillarycare to the R’s. He moved on. George W. lost his plan for SS. He moved on. Both showed more leadership abilities than Pres. Obama.
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
7:51 am
JAY,
In those examples absolutely but others I think not….are you suggesting those represent his entire body of work? Weak.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
7:53 am
Morning all.
From last night:
He (me) only thinks Soldier’s from Vietnam deserve credit.
What an idiotic and desperate statement. Fitting more of a petulant sixth grader than an adult.
The guy is getting more and more bizarre and irrational…
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:54 am
Stevie Ray – either you’ve never HEARD of insurance premiums … or you’re just so naive as you think that insurance companies don’t make profits
and YAY!!!! another idiot misquoting Nancy Pelosi … I think you win a toaster for that …
But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, AWAY FROM THE FOG OF THE CONTROVERSY
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/nancy_pelosi.html#5ramZfq7MWE98Zy7.99
nice try … but FAIL
Jay
May 4th, 2012
7:55 am
Anybody who fixates on the “New Black Panthers” idiocy has lost it. As I’ve pointed out before, they’re just a small handful of relatively harmless attention whores who get put in the spotlight by media outfits eager to play to the persecution complex of their audience. The NBP are far less numerous, far less dangerous and far more poorly armed than jackasses like this guy: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/04/us-usa-arizona-shooting-idUSBRE8420RD20120504
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
7:55 am
STANDS,
Dumb? You can do better than that…I cited several examples of polarizing, vote getting behavior that has contributed to violence in some instances….
“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said. “I think [Trayvon's parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:55 am
Mad Max –
I wish you guys would find a story and stick to it
either he’s a despotic thug who thinks he’s king and can do whatever he wants (healthcare)
or he’s totally ineffective …
pick one – all your spinning is making me motionsick
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:56 am
dang …
Jay said “whores”
and it’s not even 8:00 where you guys are …
it’s going to be a fun day!!!
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:57 am
OHNOESSSSSSS
THE BLACK PANTHERERERSES ARE COMING TO GET US!!!
yeah, I was gonna overlook that, but it is pretty comical.
Jay
May 4th, 2012
7:57 am
“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said. “I think [Trayvon's parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”
Can’t everybody see how “divisive” that is!?!?!?
I mean, OMG!! He wants to get to the bottom of this!
Jm
May 4th, 2012
7:57 am
Anyone who fixates on the Koch brothers has lost it
That would be pretty much all liberals
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
7:57 am
dB – 7:57 – sometimes you gotta point and laugh at teh stoopid
Mick
May 4th, 2012
7:58 am
Muslims, socialists, and black panthers my my…
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:58 am
SR, I can’t for the life of me grasp what is divisive about the comment you’ve just quoted.
I really can’t.
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
7:58 am
And yeah, like Jay said @ 7.57. That also too.
Jm
May 4th, 2012
7:59 am
“we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”
I didn’t know the title of president also requires playing inspector cleauseau
Obama killed osama
And Nixon gets credit for the moon landings right.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
8:00 am
USinUK,
Yes, Nancy Pelosi is a great person, not just a great woman.
Did you watch MSNBC’s feature about the killing of Bin Laden? It was good but what struck me the most was Hillery’s presence in it all. How I do wish that Hillery would become President Obama’s running mate. That would be so great.
InfiniteThought
May 4th, 2012
8:00 am
Thulsa Doom: There is a “War on Women” from the republican at state and federal levels. HRC 3 – the third bill introduced in the congress that promised JOBS JOBS JOBS was to redefine RAPE. hmm … how does that create jobs?
The Lilly ledbetter act received very little republican support. The recent violence against women act received 31 NOES from republicans. The republicans fillibustered Women Equal Pay Act in 2010. The republicans after bringing the country to near-default last august had a last minute tantrum on planned parenthood funding. And all of these are outside healthcare reforms at federal level.
At state level, there has been an unprecedented number of abortion, birth control and women healthcare prevention legislations. One Gov wanted to force mandatory vaginal penetration ultrasounds that was not needed. One Gov advised women to look away when sitting for a govt mandated forced ultrasound. And these are the saner ones.
If this isn’t WAR ON WOMEN, how do you want to call this?
Mick
May 4th, 2012
8:00 am
jm
And bush gets the blame for 911 right?
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:01 am
Jm –
okay, so the right can TOTALLY fixate on George “trying to destroy ‘murica” Soros, but if the right points out the “best government money can buy” Koch Brothers, we’ve lost it.
got it
thanks for clearing that up.
Jm
May 4th, 2012
8:01 am
Let’s see
Trillion deficit or Trayvon?
Obama clearly thinks Trayvon is more important. Time to fire the guy
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:02 am
I like Hillary as an effective SoS; not so sure she could be as effective as VP. It would be interesting.
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
8:02 am
far less dangerous and far less more poorly armed than jackasses like this guy
And I had linked to that story yesterday when it broke, complete with a trollishly incendiary teaser about how it was “Gun-nut-on-gun-nut violence,” and not a peep from the Second Amendment absolutists here!
funny ’bout that, huh?
Mick
May 4th, 2012
8:02 am
normal@8
Yes, absolutely! It would light up the ticket, swap hillary and biden…
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:02 am
dangitall … if the LEFT points out …
(early onset dyslexia)
Jm
May 4th, 2012
8:02 am
Usinuk
I see at most a tenth as many comments about soros as koch bros
Jm
May 4th, 2012
8:03 am
Mickk
That was sarcasm
Abbreviated Pundit Roundup: “Hype and Blame” new GOP slogan | Hotspyer – Breaking News from around the web
May 4th, 2012
8:03 am
[...] blame” by…blaming all of the world’s problem’s on President Obama. Jay Bookman at The Atlanta Journal Constitution adds: Among Republicans, the fact that the divisiveness is [...]
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
8:04 am
JAY,
Yes, all they need is a platform…or battle cry. President Trillions should have weighed in carefully but he prematurely popped of resulting in divisive, contempt before investigation, tactics…
USNUK, So I’m a dumb idiot to disagree with you….another child left behind employing the shout down sandbox tactic…classy..how can this be misrepresented?
Nancy Pelosi on Health Care: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
Transparency means watching hours of CSPAN???
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
8:04 am
Trillion deficit or Trayvon?
Obama clearly thinks Trayvon is more important. Time to fire the guy
ZOMG TEH TRILLION – WIF – A – “T” CARD
WE R DOOMED!!!
Peadawg
May 4th, 2012
8:05 am
“I mean, OMG!! He wants to get to the bottom of this!”
He needs to stick to the economy, jobs, etc. Let the po-po, investigators, and the prosecutors do their jobs.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 4th, 2012
8:05 am
Jm
Heaven forbid we had another incurious president. EEEK!
I think it’s great to have a CIC who knows the difference between
Sunni,Shia, Shaffi, Malaki, Hanbali, Hanafi etc etc etc
so very refreshing.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
8:05 am
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:02 am
————————
Mick
May 4th, 2012
8:02 am
And it would groom her for a run for the White House in 2016. It would be a win-win.
Peadawg
May 4th, 2012
8:06 am
“I like Hillary as an effective SoS; not so sure she could be as effective as VP. It would be interesting.”
I wish she would run for Presidency.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
8:06 am
Hate to break it too you, but this is nothing new.
It is hard to quantify such things, and I am unsure if that is so or not.
I will say that I have NEVER before January 21, 2009 seen so many people go berserk publicly like the cons did though.
It took all of two days for a massive and hateful propaganda campaign promoting that the president “fail”. Headed by such infamous liars, louts and luminaries like Rush “Slut, prostitute and FemiNazi” Limbaugh and Rick “The dangers of contraception in this country” Santorum.
And may others including the entire gang of CPAC creeps.
Their collective poison and dementia has oozed non-stop since before the man was even inaugurated.
THIS is the now de facto legacy of such scummy little men as Lee Atwater, Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:06 am
“I see at most a tenth as many comments about soros as koch bros”
ah.
I see.
you obviously weren’t here when we’ve discussed MoveOn or pretty much ANYtime the anti-war movement was discussed … or, for that matter, the majority of the time the Dem Congress was discussed …
Jm
May 4th, 2012
8:07 am
Usinuk
Point is the left has as many stupid boogeymen as the right
Rockwell
May 4th, 2012
8:08 am
Huh huh…..y’all done pissed Jay off this morning. Good for you, and keep up the good work.
Gotta go to work. Millions on welfare (meaning democratic voters) are depending on me.
Mick
May 4th, 2012
8:08 am
jm
One good turn deserves another. Hopefully, the wind has died down for the weekend…they are predicting a wetter than normal summer..my grass loves that forecast…
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
8:08 am
Rockwell
May 4th, 2012
8:08 am
You could always quit…
stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
May 4th, 2012
8:08 am
JAY,
My son? Why not call for calm given our system of innocent until proven guilty? Have you read the entire Krauthammer response instead of selective picking of nits? I reckon you will insult him now…
President Blameless Despite None of us being better off…needs to go build a constitutional library citing his vast knowledge about anticipating SCOTUS interpretations…Too bad the alternative isn’t very comforting either….
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
8:09 am
If this isn’t WAR ON WOMEN, how do you want to call this?
Dunno about the still-hung-over Doomy (it’s ok, bro, you’ll sober up one day!) but I want to call it “2012 electoral collapse for Gooperville.”
I’d like to think that even in this largely anti-democratic Republic of ours, people do have a breaking point, and 24-karat a##holes like our GOP house members and governors will be called to account for their unabashed a##holedness.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:09 am
“So I’m a dumb idiot to disagree with you…”
nope, you’re a dumb idiot because you obviously don’t know the facts and seem quite happy to remain blissfully ignorant of them
Nancy Pelosi on Health Care: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
thank you for illustrating my point so succinctly – I provided you the complete quote above and yet you STILL cling to misquoting her.
there are none so blind …
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:09 am
Peadawg: I want Hillary for Prez too. I had not really thought about her on the ticket to jazz up the election, though. It would do that. And, it would not be the first time the second term VP slid into the top seat. I was thinking this morning that I could not vote for Prez this year because I don’t like either. That VP would change my mind.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
8:09 am
Hate to break it too you, but this is nothing new.
It is hard to quantify such things, and I am unsure if that is so or not.
I will say that I have NEVER before January 21, 2009 seen so many people go berserk publicly like the cons did though.
It took all of two days for a massive and hateful propaganda campaign promoting that the president “fail”. Headed by such infamous liars, louts and luminaries like Rush “Slut, prostitute and FemiNazi” Limbaugh and Rick “The dangers of contraception in this country” Santorum.
And may others including the entire gang of CPAC creeps.
Their collective poison and dementia has oozed non-stop since before the man was even inaugurated.
THIS is the now de facto legacy of such scummy little men as Lee Atw@ter, Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
8:09 am
Jay: Anything that Obama does that you do not like is “divisive,” and “unity” would require his surrender.
Right on the nose. Bulls eye. And other cliches that happen to show definite truth.
Brosephus™
May 4th, 2012
8:15 am
Bro… you have a short memory. Both Bush and Clinton suffered in the same way. The attacks from the opposition were frequent, acrimonious and unrelenting.
Gotta play the Bullsh*t card on that one. They faced attacks, but it wasn’t anything remotely near what’s going on nowadays. The crap that’s going on now led to a credit rating drop of all things. My memory is quite fine.
Peadawg
May 4th, 2012
8:15 am
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:09 am
I don’t trust Romney and Obama does so much bs that gets on my nerves; I can’t vote for them either. I’ve already decided I’m writing Hillary’s name in for President.
stands for decibels
May 4th, 2012
8:17 am
And SR, yeah, I read Kraut’s
current wanktarderycolumn. That’s five minutes of my life I’ll never get back.Mick
May 4th, 2012
8:17 am
**The crap that’s going on now led to a credit rating drop of all things**
Yes, the height of lunacy – trying to cut off the head to save the body…
TaxPayer
May 4th, 2012
8:19 am
Mad Max,
The original meetings on Obama’s healthcare legislation included folks like Mitt:
The Massachusetts healthcare law has been a nettlesome problem for Romney. It was one of the major achievements of his tenure as governor – one that he used to tout. But the state law included a requirement that individuals buy insurance, much like the individual mandate in the Obama law. That idea, which originated as a Republican proposal, has since become toxic among GOP voters. Romney’s opponents say he will be unable to attack Obama on the healthcare issue because of his record, and clearly the Obama campaign will try to make that prediction come true.
Then, there’s this.
What you got. Something from Newt perhaps.
Jerome Horwitz
May 4th, 2012
8:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7-m919ynU
Forty two years ago today four students were slain by paniced Guardsman. Truly a black eye for America. I remember the outrage I felt as a student at the time and the arguements I had with my Dad about the war and the protesters. About 15 years ago we were watching some History Channel program on the war protest movement together and I looked at him and said “They were right” and he quietly replied “I know now”. My point is that many in the so called Establishment of today call the OWS protesters the same names as the Viet Nam war protesters of 40 years ago. Be careful as history may just judge them far more favorably than you.
Jm
May 4th, 2012
8:20 am
Mick
I just want to get one of the following in
Surfing
Sailing
Some astronomy
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
8:20 am
I would go so far as to say the Jms, rags, 71s, JKL2s, etc of this country not only want the President of the United States to fail, they want the entire federal government to fail.
Hell, they wouldn’t be sad if capitalism itself failed.
Looked at how the fools completely shrugged off the corporate destruction of capitalism in September 2008. And still hold none of the men responsible……………… responsible.
As long as those very unindicted conspirator heroes of theirs in the 1% are doing fine, they could really care less about anyone else.
Even themselves, their parents, their spouses and children and their communities.
I’ll never be able to figure them out.
Jerome Horwitz
May 4th, 2012
8:21 am
Oh, and thanks to Normal for the reminder. And questions lingers today. What jackass ever gave live ammunition to these Guardsman? What danger were they ever in that deserved an armed repsonse?
Peter
May 4th, 2012
8:22 am
The truth is there is NOT a single Republican who can tell us How to pay for the Bush Wars.
Mick
May 4th, 2012
8:24 am
jm
Working weekend for me, finally evicted a tenant without all the usual mess; now I have to go see what condition or rather what destruction will need repair…I’m cautiously optimistic but ready for the worst…
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:24 am
Bro – 8:15
and THAT, my friend, is why you are my HERO
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
8:24 am
Gotta play the Bullsh*t card on that one.
Ditto.
For the same reason as almost always.
Where is the first scintilla of evidence to prove this claim?
There is none.
Opinions are not facts.
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:24 am
Peadawg, A write in sounds like a plan. I wrote Hillary in for President in the last election. Time for a rebellion against the two party system that wants to direct our thinking.
From the Center
May 4th, 2012
8:26 am
From where I sit, the Democrates and the Republicans are a mirror image of each other. Their ideologies are polar opposites, but their political tactics are the same.
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 4th, 2012
8:28 am
“They were right” and he quietly replied “I know now”.
You don’t have to Google or cite what you know is Right, mon.
It’ll all be clearer next year, when we get to the New Time.
Jm
May 4th, 2012
8:29 am
Mick
Being a landlord is a giant pain in the rear
I can identify
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:29 am
“It’ll all be clearer next year, when we get to the New Time.”
after Daylight Savings?
Adam
May 4th, 2012
8:31 am
Time for a rebellion against the two party system that wants to direct our thinking.
Every time I have heard this prominently from the left or other third party factions, the right has won the election. Just sayin.
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:31 am
New Time, USinUK ? Are you referring to the demise of DST? My dreams would come true.
Brosephus™
May 4th, 2012
8:32 am
USinner
I just call it as I see it. Each president in recent memory has faced ever increasing opposition. However, to claim that Clinton and Bush had the same opposition of Obama is crap.
One of the things I always look at when grading an administration is the advisors and appointments that are made. Obama has not filled all the positions in his administration yet, and his term is almost up. At one point, the Senate was placing holds on EVERYBODY that he nominated, so he quit nominating people. That is a very serious breakdown of government. When one party does that, what else do people expect will happen when the other party is in office? We’ll see the same thing. I don’t think any administration should finish it’s first year in office without filling every position. You can’t claim someone’s a failure when they don’t have a full team playing, and that’s what we’ve had over the past 3 plus years.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:32 am
EXCELLENT – it’s not just British companies that are seeing shareholders rise up and say ENOUGH
Citi is not alone. FirstMerit of Ohio also lost a shareholder vote in April, having granted its chief executive a steep rise despite single-digit returns on equity and a depressed share price. Three other large American financial firms received less than 65% approval on pay-related votes, a symbolic if not actionable threshold, according to Semler Brossy, a consultancy that began last year to collect data on these votes.
http://www.economist.com/node/21554196
MORE OF THIS PLEASE
Rockwell
May 4th, 2012
8:33 am
JamVet,
Been outside for a walk lately? Enjoyed these beautiful warm spring afternoons? You are obsessive in your hatred for the right. Chill dude. Your ramblings and baseless accusations are starting to get old. Take a breath man, sky is not falling….yet.
Oh, and add me to that list of folks hoping the president fails. Not so much the ENTIRE federal government. I heard Obama’s plans and ideas (hope and change thing) in 2008. I don’t agree with them, so I hope he fails. Simple as that. It is the same position you have for every Republican.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:33 am
Gale – 8:31 – I’m struggling to understand the ongoing need for DST … pick a time and stick to it, I say.
TaxMyEnemies
May 4th, 2012
8:35 am
Taxpayer,
You didn’t offer any “truths” that I’m missing. Let me know if you can.
Brosephus™
May 4th, 2012
8:35 am
From where I sit, the Democrates and the Republicans are a mirror image of each other. Their ideologies are polar opposites, but their political tactics are the same.
You might wanna adjust your seat then. The reason they appear to be the same is because one party in particular veered so far from the center that they upset the balance of the entire system. The reason that Democrats use the same tactics as the GOP is as simple as this:
If you’re in a fight and someone continues to punch you in the nose, do you:
A) continue your preferred method of standing there and absorbing the punches?
or
B) adapt their techniques and punch back with equal force and intensity?
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:35 am
Bro – I know – and let’s not even BEGIN talking about judicial nominees …
kayaker 71
May 4th, 2012
8:35 am
So, let’s just tax the tweet out of all of those evil 1%ers. They are certainly the enemy and what is causing those unemployment figures. They are also the reason why my house is worth less and why my neighbor was foreclosed. They are certainly also the reason why our debt is more than our GDP and why we have gazillions of dollars in outstanding debt to China and Japan. They must be the reason why Holder is hesitant to prosecute “his people” and why Bozo is so upset with that “stupid Boston cop”. Most of us never seen a poor person offer anyone a job. And you can’t keep beating business to death until it’s morale improves. When you demonize someone often enough, they will take their business elsewhere.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
8:35 am
My point is that many in the so called Establishment of today call the OWS protesters the same names as the Viet Nam war protesters of 40 years ago.
Beautiful post, Jerome.
Those people knew they were taking a righteous stand, one that was inherently dangerous and in the best traditions of The Boston Tea Party, Frederick Douglass, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Lucretia Mott, New York City’s Stonewall Inn gay protest and beatings, textile factories in Lowell, Mass., where the first labor unions were formed, the railroad strikes in the Southwest led by the Knights of Labor – which thrust unions and their demands into the national spotlight-, Martin Luther King Jr and many other American patriots.
And would not be deterred by the conservative thugs of their time.
Nor will we.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/11/1289494354269/Antiwar-demonstrators-tri-001.jpg
Thomas
May 4th, 2012
8:36 am
U.S. Economy Added 115,000 Jobs in April; Unemployment Rate Dips to 8.1%
Laughably and sadly no one in DC is concerned about the millions of folks who are no longer even counted in unemployment
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:37 am
“Laughably and sadly no one in DC is concerned about the millions of folks who are no longer even counted in unemployment”
no one????
REALLY?????
that’s your position???
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
8:37 am
Not so much the ENTIRE federal government.
Not so much???
You would have probably fought for the British.
Peadawg
May 4th, 2012
8:37 am
“From where I sit, the Democrates and the Republicans are a mirror image of each other. Their ideologies are polar opposites, but their political tactics are the same.”
Amen!
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
8:38 am
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:24 am
Ordinarily I would agree with you but not this time in our history. Write ins would only weaken the votes for president Obama and we have to keep the radicalization that the GOP eats and breathes from ever becoming the holder of the White House. That would be a very nasty end of America as we know it.
Joseph
May 4th, 2012
8:38 am
Have you actually listened to Obama’s words Jay? Or maybe you just stand there in awe and have absolutely no understanding of what he’s saying. He is without a doubt the most divisive President in my lifetime. You never! And I mean never heard President Bush openly criticize democrats while in office. Not even Dick Cheney did that. Bush stated on many occasions that we must work together to get the country’s problems solved. You don’t hear that from this pathetic President. Obama had complete control for his first two years in the White House yet still complained that Republicans blocked his every move. That’s simply not true. He couldn’t even get dems on board for most of his radical plans…..
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:40 am
some of the interesting data behind the jobs numbers:
The report also showed a drop in long-term unemployed Americans. The number of people unemployed for 27 weeks or more decreased as a percentage of all jobless, to 41.3 percent.
The number of temporary workers increased 21,100. Payroll at temporary-help agencies often slow as companies seeing a steady increase in demand take on permanent staff.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-04/payrolls-in-u-s-rose-115-000-in-april-jobless-rate-at-8-1-.html
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
8:40 am
Joseph is ticked off because President Obama is telling the truth
Peadawg
May 4th, 2012
8:41 am
“we have to keep the radicalization that the GOP eats and breathes from ever becoming the holder of the White House”
I agree but I’m not going to blindly vote for Obama like some will. I will happily write in Hillary’s name.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
8:42 am
You can’t claim someone’s a failure when they don’t have a full team playing, and that’s what we’ve had over the past 3 plus years.
EXACTLY
Adam
May 4th, 2012
8:43 am
The Unemployment numbers are out! Yay! That means I get to look at Table A-15 again. BRB
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:43 am
Dick Cheney never criticized Dems???
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7234.html
Abbreviated Pundit Roundup: "Hype and Blame" new GOP slogan|Politifreak
May 4th, 2012
8:43 am
[...] blame” by…blaming all of the world’s problem’s on President Obama. Jay Bookman at The Atlanta Journal Constitution adds: Among Republicans, the fact that the divisiveness is [...]
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 4th, 2012
8:43 am
U.S. Economy Added 115,000 Jobs in April; Unemployment Rate Dips to 8.1%
Can you just imagine how much lower the rate would be if the GOP had not been such obstructionists.
26 months of jobs growth and the GOP says we aren’t cleaning up their mess fast enough and offer us Romneys Bush-like economic plan “updated” that caused the problem as the solution.
What a hoot.
Doggone/GA
May 4th, 2012
8:44 am
“From where I sit, the Democrates and the Republicans are a mirror image of each other. Their ideologies are polar opposites, but their political tactics are the same.”
And that would be true if we had a hundred political parties and not just two.
Mary Elizabeth
May 4th, 2012
8:45 am
Joseph, 8:38 am
In all due respect, Joseph, it is my opinion that you are only looking at the surface. In any good play, one has to read a character’s motivation and intent beyond what he simply “says.” Iago in “Othello” comes to mind. Same thing hold’s true in life, and especially in politics.
USinUK
May 4th, 2012
8:45 am
nooooooooooooo … Cheney NEVER criticized Dema
WASHINGTON, Nov 16 (Reuters) – In the sharpest White House attack yet on critics of the Iraq war, Vice President Dick Cheney said on Wednesday accusations that the Bush administration manipulated intelligence to justify the war were a “dishonest and reprehensible” political ploy.
Cheney called Democrats “opportunists” who were peddling “cynical and pernicious falsehoods” to gain political advantage while U.S. soldiers died in Iraq.
The comments were the latest salvo in an aggressive White House counterattack on war critics, launched as Democrats step up their criticism of the war and polls show declining public support for the conflict.
Cheney repeated President George W. Bush’s charge that Democratic critics were rewriting history by questioning prewar intelligence on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction even though many Senate Democrats voted in October 2002 to authorize the invasion.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
8:46 am
As I suspected, the unemployment numbers show that each and every metric (that’s U-1 through U-6 for those paying attention) has either decreased or remained the same. U-6 is down over 2 percentage points since its height, and the other unemployment figures continue to drop.
Good news for the economy, no matter how much the naysayers wish destruction on us all
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
8:47 am
He is without a doubt the most divisive President in my lifetime.
Opinions are not facts.
And this????
And I mean never heard President Bush openly criticize democrats while in office. Not even Dick Cheney did that.
Are you ________ me?
I could list dozens and dozens of quotes to disprove those outrageous lies.
So could you, if you took about thirty seconds…
http://tinyurl.com/6pby6vm
http://tinyurl.com/76nd9ue
I swear that some of you Bushbots are certifiably insane…
kayaker 71
May 4th, 2012
8:49 am
Do I want this clown to fail? Damn right. The majority of Americans do not want to live in an Obama America. When you write off the most economically important segment of the electorate, white working America, that gives you some insight into who this Chicago thug thinks is important to America’s future. After three and a half years, we still have record unemployment, record foreclosure on private homes and commercial properties, more people on food stamps than at any time in our history and a 41% increase in entitlement spending. We have spent more money for nothing than at anytime in our history. “Saving GM?” Saving it from what? It would have been better for the American taxpayer and for GM to let it fail and recover like any other industry. At least it would not be union owned with a debt to the American taxpayer that will likely never be paid off. Do I want this jerk to fail. Damn straight, I do. And so does the majority of the electorate.
lovelyliz
May 4th, 2012
8:55 am
Nobody passes the buck or self-victimizes like the neo-cons
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:56 am
Normal, the argument against write-ins is the same case made against 3rd party candidates. The two parties no longer care about the 60% of the middle voters (my estimate) because we are not the one contributing millions to their campaigns. I am very tired of winners proclaiming a mandate from the people over a slim win.
Jilli
May 4th, 2012
9:00 am
The author neglected to mention the most definitive incident proving his point. Republican legislators met on inauguration day (during the height of the largest economic disaster this country has faced since the great depression), not to strategize on how to facilitate the recovery or stop the landslide of job losses, they met to formulate their “just say no” game plan to foil this President – and consequently, the nation.
They have continued this mission the entire length of his term with nothing but cynicism and political games and with absolutely no concern to the well being of American citizens and the well being of the nation. And they have the audacity to criticize the Presidents patriotism? Their actions have been downright traitorous, but it appears that there’s more than a few rubes falling for their cynicism, even when it comes at the expense of their own personal well being and livelihoods. Never underestimate the gullibility and the intellectual immaturity of the republican portion of the electorate – the gop leaders certainly aren’t.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
9:00 am
71, too long.
He’s black, has come down out of the trees and you hate him. That is why you want him to fail.
Rockwell
May 4th, 2012
9:03 am
JamVet
Opinions are not facts….right back at ya a$$hat.
td
May 4th, 2012
9:05 am
Jay
May 4th, 2012
7:48 am
In other words, Stevie, I was right: Anything that Obama does that you do not like is “divisive,” and “unity” would require his surrender
Let us say for arguments sake that you are correct and there is no way the Republicans will support anything he wants to do. Will you also admit that there is no way he will support the Republican agenda?
If we agree and we know that the Republicans will retain control of the HOR and there is about a 50% chance of them gaining control of the Senate, then if this country is as in as bad a shape as you libs keep saying and something has to get done would it not be better for the country if Obama just goes ahead and withdraws from the race as Truman did? Does he not love this country well enough to make that sacrifice for the country?
Rockwell
May 4th, 2012
9:05 am
I am done with this for the day. I part with the words of the great historian, JamVet;
“Opinions are not facts.”
Did you get that Mr. Bookman?
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
9:07 am
So Rockhead, those dozens and dozens of quotes disproving rightwing stupidity are opinions, huh?
Enjoy your life in Delusionville…
kayaker 71
May 4th, 2012
9:10 am
JamVet, 9:00,
If only it were that simple. The trees comment was made about that Black Panther thug that wanted to kill white babies. He damn sure does not belong in a civilized society or would you like him to be your next door neighbor? Maybe invite him to lunch with your children and grandchildren so you can expose them to a little “diversity”. Just don’t turn your back for too long.
As far as Bozo being black……. people I would vote for in a presidential campaign…… Condi Rice and Herman Cain along with Colon Powell would not be bad choices. I don’t hate him, JamVet. I hate what he has in mind for this country. And so should you.
JamVet
May 4th, 2012
9:14 am
71, OK.
I still think you have a lot of work to do to get over your “black problem” though!
Mary Elizabeth
May 4th, 2012
9:17 am
kayaker 71, 8:40 am
“When you write off the most economically important segment of the electorate, white working America, that gives you some insight into who this Chicago thug thinks is important to America’s future. . .Do I want this jerk to fail. Damn straight, I do. And so does the majority of the electorate.”
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Listen to the anger and brutality of your remarks, Kayaker. Many Americans do not want to build an America where that type of negative dynamic becomes dominant.
Mary Elizabeth
May 4th, 2012
9:27 am
And, as I have said many times on this blog, I believe what Obama has in mind for our nation will create a better America – one in which cooperation, equal opportunity for upward mobility, and human values, rather than simply monetary ones, will again prevail through emphasizing government as service, as was true in the Kennedy years. There was a substantive reason JFK’s daughter, Caroline Kennedy, and his brother, Edward Kennedy, fervently supported Obama. I believe they knew Obama shared JFK’s progressive vision for America and Americans.
Adam
May 4th, 2012
9:27 am
kayaker: Herman Cain would be a terrible choice, Condi questionable, Colin Powell I could see supporting myself. so… it’s not so simple as skin color. That IS what you are saying, right?
Terrence
May 4th, 2012
9:28 am
Hee haw all you want Bookman. Gallup shows Obama holding the record for most polarized first and second years in office.
Not a record to be proud of.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 4th, 2012
9:32 am
Gale
May 4th, 2012
8:56 am
I understand your feelings and I respect them. Unfocused actions of anger or disgust could put you in the situation of out of the frying pan and into the fire. I hope you are not wrong.
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
9:36 am
Bro… the credit rate drop was more a result of the amount we have borrowed with no real prospect of paying it off in our lifetimes and the unwillingness of this administration to address the deficit than it was the result of the squabling between the parties. We kicked the can down the road and we have no plan for getting out from under the debt. And let’s not bring up W, he is no longer president. Obama is and it’s his issue now and he has done a lousy job of addressing it. And soaking the rich will not erase it. So when I say he’s ineffective, it’s because he refuses to tackle the issues of the future that have the potential to make the mess we’ve just been through look like childs play.
Mary Elizabeth
May 4th, 2012
9:38 am
Terrence, 9:28 am
“Gallup shows Obama holding the record for most polarized first and second years in office.”
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Terrence, Obama probably does hold the record for the most polarized first and second years in office. That is because Republicans were bound and determined that that would be the case. There was no stopping them in their mission to make that polarization happen.
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
9:46 am
Mary E – almost from the 1st day he took office, he started with the rhetoric like We’fe got the keys now so you all get in the back of the bus and go along for the ride, and then his actions on Obamacare which was crafted w/o republican input caused a great deal of diviseness. He was a person w/very little/no experience running a large and complex organization and that lack of experience and his immaturity in shooting off his mouth is why he has not been an effective leader.
kimmer
May 4th, 2012
9:57 am
Nothing to see here. Just a man with his head stuck in the Mr Obama’s colon. Move along….move along.
labman57
May 4th, 2012
9:57 am
Republicans and tea party pundits self-righteously proclaim that the divisiveness that has been stagnating progress in Congress and that has been evident in the political blogosphere constitute proof that the public is justifiably upset with the policies being promoted by Obama and the Democrats in Congress.
Hmmm. In 1938, Orson Welles presented a Mercury Theatre radio melodrama version of War of the Worlds which was so convincing in its presentation that many panicked listeners believed that they were witnessing a real invasion from Mars. Some folks took up arms against their neighbors, fearing that they were part of the alien invasion.
When Obama was elected, Congressional Republican leaders publicly proclaimed that their top priority was not to improve the national economy, nor was it to improve the security and welfare of the American public, instead it was to do whatever was necessary to undermine the Obama presidency.
In 2009-10, right wing pundits went on the air, and and in an attempt to instill irrational fear and hatred among their listeners, repeatedly proclaimed that health care reform and other progressive programs would result in Armageddon — the end of society as we know it, the onset of a fascist, socialist, tyrannical dictatorship led by a foreign-born, terrorist-sympathizing, Caucasian-hating closet Muslim.
The only difference between the 1938 event and the disingenuous, fear-mongering propaganda campaign that has been waged by the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Bachmann, Palin, and others is that Welles did not hit the airwaves on the day following the mass hysteria and declare that the public response was proof that malevolent Martians did indeed exist.
Brosephus™
May 4th, 2012
9:59 am
the credit rate drop was more a result of the amount we have borrowed with no real prospect of paying it off in our lifetimes and the unwillingness of this administration to address the deficit than it was the result of the squabling between the parties.
You obviously did not read the report that was put out that showed that our unstable political atmosphere WAS one of the compelling reasons for the credit drop.
http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?assetID=1245316529563
•We have lowered our long-term sovereign credit rating on the United States of America to ‘AA+’ from ‘AAA’ and affirmed the ‘A-1+’ short-term rating.
•We have also removed both the short- and long-term ratings from CreditWatch negative.
•The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government’s medium-term debt dynamics.
•More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.
•Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government’s debt dynamics any time soon.
•The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the long-term rating to ‘AA’ within the next two years if we see that less reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case.
I put emphasis on the part where S&P specifically talked about the political atmosphere of our country. Go back and read the actual report instead of relying on the message that the talking heads put out.
Brosephus™
May 4th, 2012
10:00 am
Mad Max
Just for you, specifically from S&P themselves.
http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?assetID=1245316529563
•More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.
•Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government’s debt dynamics any time soon.
Mr. Mustard
May 4th, 2012
11:07 am
Thinking People,
You will not change the dittoheads’ minds, they are uneducated with low self esteem. They must blame minorities for their own failings, because they are too stupid to understand the real economies of our country.
They don’t know history, they only read what reinforces their lost lives. They parrot what the rich tell them to say even though it is against their own interests.
They believe in magic, and invisible beings and free markets and Fox Propaganda.
You see, $8.00 per hour with no benefits for anyone except the hallowed “job creators” is all they deserve because they are not worthy.
The Republicons are pathetic. Keep your government hands off of my Medicare about sums up their intellectual prowess, and they are proud, PROUD of their stupidity.
It is our task, our duty to step over them and strengthen social security, demand universal health care and money out of Congress.
You see, when the Banks, NFL Billionaires, Health Care Cruel Companies, Oil Barrons take government money – that’s GOOD!
When you and I demand a secure safety net so we can work and raise our families without losing our homes after 40 years of age, that’s SOCIALISM.
Mary Elizabeth
May 4th, 2012
11:26 am
Mad Max, 9:46 am
“Mary E – almost from the 1st day he took office, he started with the rhetoric like We’fe got the keys now so you all get in the back of the bus and go along for the ride, and then his actions on Obamacare which was crafted w/o republican input caused a great deal of diviseness. He was a person w/very little/no experience running a large and complex organization and that lack of experience and his immaturity in shooting off his mouth is why he has not been an effective leader.”
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Mad Max, Good Morning. I will try to address your points, as I see them, by numbering them below.
(1) “. . .he started with the rhetoric like We’ve got the keys now so you all get in the back of the bus and go along for the ride”
I really think Obama was “playing” with that statement and just having a little “sparring” fun with his opponents, almost ‘tongue in cheek,” if you will.
(2) “. . . then his actions on Obamacare which was crafted w/o republican input caused a great deal of diviseness.”
On this, I think part of the Republican spin, or propaganda, has been in declaring that, “Obamacare was crafted without Republican input.” Remember that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has stated, “Our primary goal is to see that Obama fails and that he is a one-term president.” I think that that has been the Republican mission and that Republicans have had no intention of cooperating with Obama on Obamacare (or little else). Proof of that is that Obamacare was modeled after a Republican plan, one in which Romney designed for his state, and now they all pan Obamacare. I think, at the time – until Obama later realized it was futile to continue doing so – that Obama was sincerely trying to work with Republicans on Obamacare. Many liberals, such as myself, for example, wanted the public option to remain in Obamacare and Obama compromised with Republicans so that the public option was not part of Obamacare. Many liberals became disgruntled with Obama because of that. I was not one of them, however, because I could see what he was up against and I thought that he did the best he could with the support he could muster. Some people do not want any kind of government regulations on medical insurance and that is why they do not support Obamacare, just as they do not support Social Security and Medicare as government social programs, but I am not one of these people. I support all three. I think that these social programs will not only make America more secure (if finances for them are managed) but that they will help to make Americans more humane. As I said in a post earlier this week, I think that many of those who are not supporting Obamacare are working against their own best interests. In a key word summary of what I had said: pre-existing conditions, can’t be kicked out of insurance once you have terminal or serious illness, if you lose job, you still can have affordable health insurance, you won’t go bankrupt because of huge medical expenses with no health insurance or with only insufficient health insurance, you will get long-term medical care (not just emergency room service), your children can be on your policy until they reach age 27.
(3) “(Obama is a) person w/very little/no experience running a large and complex organization and that lack of experience. . .”
I think Obama has run the government extremely well considering that he inherited almost a worldwide financial crash just as he was becoming president. Obama, more than any other person in the called meeting of many economic and governmental leaders by President Bush, which included Sen. McCain, at the time of the financial crisis, showed the most poise under pressure and the most knowledge of what was happening financially. Even Republicans acknowledged that fact. President Bush walked out of the meeting, complaining that he could not control the meeting and that people would not listen to him. This was publicly stated on the broadcast I just watched on PSB, I believe, entitled, “Money, Power, and Wall Street.” What you are quoting, regarding Obama’s lack of organizational experience is, again, propaganda. What you say sounds “logical” if you just look at strict facts, but what is missing in the thinking is that Obama is a very intelligent man who has global insight and that kind of intellect catches on very quickly in any area. Obama had had a financial advisor calling him daily and giving him advice on America’s possible financial collapse. He had gathered in his mind all of that financial advisor’s knowledge in that meeting with Bush and others. He was well-prepared. (Btw, remember in the “debate/discussion” with all of the Republican leaders around a table regarding Obamacare, when Republicans wanted to debate the issues of Obamacare with him, that Obama’s insight and impact on others was greater than all of the Republicans put together.) What is hard for me to fathom is why many of the American people do not value Obama’s elevated intelligence. It used to be, especially in my youth, that intelligence was valued in a president, and now it seems that many Americans are jealous of it and even resent his intellect. Finally, Obama was organized enough to put together a great presidential campaign, over a couple or more years, through which he was elected as the first black president. Considering Jim Crow existed only 45 years ago, that is a phenomenal organizational achievement.
(4)” . . .and his immaturity in shooting off his mouth is why he has not been an effective leader”
I simply do not see Obama as either “immature” or “shooting off his mouth”; in fact, I see quite the opposite in him, on both counts. I think that those are simply labels, perpetuated as spin and propaganda by the demagogues such as Rush Limbaugh and others. Limbaugh refers to Obama as the “boy president.” I would judge the name-caller and not the one “named.” I see Obama as a man of grace who has a kindly yet mischievous wit, intelligence, and prudence. He is, also, a president who loves this nation and its people.
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
12:28 pm
BRO The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the long-term rating to ‘AA’ within the next two years if we see that less reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case.
If this wasn’t a problem, the political would be a non issue
Jeffrey
May 4th, 2012
12:45 pm
Here are the titles Jay did not use for this post:
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Republicans
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on the Tea Party
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Wall Street
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on Fox News
Laughably, Democrats wants to blame divisiveness on talk radio
We have this saying up in the Hills about shoes that fit…
Mad Max
May 4th, 2012
12:56 pm
Mary E – It’s called maturity and leadership. Your 1st impression is what defines you and what you see as quick wit, others saw as sharp tongued and insulting. For someone who was going to reach accross the aisle and bring bipartisanship back, he failed and alienated the other side by his “quick wit” and one upsmanship. That stuff is fine when you are with the guys out of the public eye, or maybe on a blog but you don’t get out of the public eye as president and he failed coming out of the blocks and set the tone for his presidency.
As for the Republicans wanting to make him a one term president, both parties have done that after each election cycle. That’s why we have elections: to see if we still want the incumbant.
Regarding his organizational skills, he is a great campaigner, as evidenced that is all he has done. He never stayed in one of the elected offices long enough to do anything; now he has the top job and people will hold him to his accomplishments. Remember that his signature is Obamacare which may be rulled unconstitutional. He has fought and campaigned against the state of Arizona which passed a law modeled after the federal law because he didn’t wqnt to enforce it and he may lose that. He has likened the Arizona law to the human rights violations of China! He has supported some radical Islamic groups in the “Arab Spring” with his global view of the world.
As for your infatuation with his intelligence, there are a lot of dumb people with high iq’s. I have not seen him demonstrate that intelligence in practice.
Silvio Levy
May 4th, 2012
1:36 pm
Mary Elizabeth, why bother replying to Mad Max? He manufactures quotes out of whole cloth, or believes manufactured quotes he picks up in his relentless hatred.
Plus, he is _Mad_ Max.
Still, I admire your patience.
Silvio Levy
Silvio Levy
May 4th, 2012
1:52 pm
td, Obama HAS supported the Republican agenda. Obamacare was first put forward by Republicans during the Clinton years; it’s indistinguishable from the plan Romney created for Mass., except that Romneycare was more liberal (Obamacare has strong provisions against payment for abortion).
Obama bailed out banks, like Bush did, rather than bailing out individuals in need.
Obama continued the wars that Bush started. (Admittedly, it was not very Republican to actually get Osama — when the fear factor goes down, it’s harder for Republicans to win).
Obama continues to prosecute the war on drugs, to hold prisoners without trial in Guantanamo, to let the people who allowed 9/11 to happen go unpunished, to increase surveillance on the public while strengthening government secrecy — all continuations of Bush practices.
Frankly, I regard Obama as one of two decent Republican presidents we’ve had this century (the other was Eisenhower).
Silvio Levy
Mary Elizabeth
May 4th, 2012
1:56 pm
Mad Max, 12:56 pm
Addressing each of your paragraphs:
Para 1: Look back. I never used the word combination that you say I wrote, i.e.,”quick wit.” With the word “wit” I had used the combination of words, “kindly yet mischievous wit.” You combine your words “quick wit” with “oneupmanship.” Evidently, that is how you see Obama’s wit, which to me implies that you have a kind of resentment for him – because of his intelligence (which “quick wit” means).
But there are many other interpretations of Obama’s wit or humor. In my first point above, I had used the words “sparring fun” “playing” “tongue-in-cheek” to describe his humor with his “we have the keys to the car and Republicans can sit at back if not in agreement” remark. “Tongue in cheek” means “insincerity,” “irony” or “whimiscal exaggeration.” Of course, Obama was sparring with the Republicans and he wanted to make a political point, too, that the Republican ideological goals for our nation were not his (nor mine, nor most Democrats). He was gently pointing out to them, through humor, that the American people had elected him based on those goals and that Republicans had crashed their car (Recession). The “back of the car” was an ironic twist in that black people had to sit in the back of the bus for generations, but a new day had arrived in America. The tone in which he said both was playful or whimsical and certainly not mean-spirited – just an exaggerated illustration for a humorous “dig” at his opponents. “Roasts” of politicians and celebrities do those kinds of “digs” all the time to one another, in sparring humor, and both parties usually laugh. I think the fact that many Republicans took such umbrage with Obama’s humor is testimony to their intense dislike for him, but I really see that as their “problem” if you will, and not his. I do not think that he has done anything to have created such intense dislike in them for him.
Para. 2. Most parties do not announce their major goal is to discredit and take down a president. That was way out of proportion to what has been done in the past.
Para. 3. Your list seems like a litany of dislikes for the president. The Arizona situation has a states/federal pull regarding immigration. That will be resolved in time. Why such intense dislike for him over that issue? Obama is not supporting “some radical Islamic groups.” He is supporting the right of people everywhere, including those within the Arab Spring, to have their own self-government – the same egalitarian concept that Jefferson had voiced. That is the essence of democracy.
Para. 4. You use the word “infatuation” instead of the more prudent (and correct) word “acknowledgement” to describe my thoughts regarding Obama’s intelligence, which is a subtle way of demeaning of my judgment. You are wrong. The correct word is my “acknowledgement” of Obama’s intelligence. And I do see that he has intelligence above the ordinary, and I do think that intelligence combined with humanitarian instincts is an excellent attribute for a president to have, as Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, both Roosevelts, and Kennedy had.
You write that you have not seen him demonstrate that intelligence in practice. Obama demonstrated his intelligence in having the poise under fire as well as shrewdness to become the first black president, in getting a national healthcare bill made into law, a feat that had been attempted for 50 years without success, in the debate/discussion with Republicans about that healthcare law which I described earlier, in all of his major speeches, in his “coolness and control” of mind during the execution of Osama bin Laden, which he witnessed as it was occurring, among many other examples.
Mary Elizabeth
May 4th, 2012
1:57 pm
Thank you for your remarks to me, Silvio.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 4th, 2012
4:58 pm
Doom — “I’ll make it so simple even you can understand it.”
I already understand it just fine. The difference is a point of disagreement, not on a factual matter of economics.
“Actually I have had to defend papers and thesises to economics professors but that kind of deflection on your side has no relevance to the point at hand now does it?”
Yes, it does. It points out the fact that you’re relying on cherrypicked data from a partisan organization with an axe to grind — whether you want to admit it or not.
“Stick to the issue at hand champ.”
I am. You just don’t want to be held to it.
“No. it didn’t.”
Yes, it did.
“ANd that would be because external factors such as the looming housing meltdown were coming into play.”
Says you.
“It doesn’t change the straightforward fact that economic growth short term grew immediately after the cuts were realized- a fact you still hate to acknowledge.”
I’ve admitted it many times. The only hated fact here is the one *you* don’t like — the fact that Heritage relied on cherrypicked data.
“ANd if you don’t like the place that the data set ends then I guess that’s just tough for you.”
That’s why I point out that it’s cherrypicked — a fact that *you* hate to acknowledge.
“Nothing funny about it. Other external factors were coming into play.”
So you say.
“For example if I remember correctly I believe that employment started to dip the month the Dems took over Congress. I’m certain your crack research team can verify that with the BLS stats. Funny how that happens huh Joe?”
(laughing)
You’re actually going to claim that Congress — an organization RENOWNED for moving at the speed of frozen maple syrup — somehow took action SO FAST in January of 2007 that it showed immediate effects on the economy?
Yeah, Doom. (laughing) That’s funny all right.
“Do you have any idea just how foolish that sounds Joe Mama? Does your mind actually believe that they or anybody else doesn’t know and acknowledge that an enormous recession hit in 07? Does your mind honestly think that they can hide the fact that this thing called the recession hit in 2007? That’s just plain silly dude.”
It certainly is. So why’d they try to hide it? (laughing)
“They ended their data set precisely because it shows economic growth up to when the recession hit. There’s nothing fishy and nothing to hide champ. Everyone knows the recession came next. Geez.”
That’s right. The recession *did* come next.
And it came DESPITE the tax breaks that you like to tout as being so incredibly stimulative to the economy. Tell us, Doom — why didn’t those tax breaks *forestall* that recession if they were so all-fired powerful?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 4th, 2012
5:18 pm
Doom — “Also since you like to talk about data sets and variables perhaps you can acknowledge when reading this that variables change that effect economics.”
I’ve always acknowledged that. However, I’ve noticed that from time to time, you *discount* variables if they don’t mesh with your position.
“All kinds of variables- political as just one example. I sense that your misunderstandings of economics are baed partly in having a static view of things as many liberals tend to have as opposed to a dynamic view of things. I’ll be sure to work with you more on that later.”
And I’ll be sure to explain to you that economic policy doesn’t change instantly just because the majority party in Congress switches. It takes time for legislation to get passed and implemented. (laughing)
Joe Hussein Mama
May 4th, 2012
5:31 pm
Towncrier — “Now, to anyone with reasonably good interpretive skills, JHM is aking me to square my criticism of Obama with my vote for McCain when the Republicans were doing the same thing (as if I was going to refrain from voting in light of any failings of the candidate I felt more represented my positions and even though I once said I voted for McCain holding my nose).”
Your “as if” supposition doesn’t mesh with my position at all.
I asked you to square your vote with your public statement about disliking the politicization of certain public matters. You did so, but in a way that excuses your *own* behavior while complaining about that of others.
“This JHM, in his warped reasoning and coneception of things, interpreted as a discounting of the politicization of 9/11″
No, I didn’t. I can speak for myself just fine.
I quite clearly said that you were a hypocrite for excusing your own behavior while complaining about that of others.
” – when, in fact, I was merely saying that when faced with a choice between voting for a candidate or not (the options given me by JHM), I am going to do the former whatever his faults. Implicit in my response was an acknowldegment of the fact that the Republicans have done wrong.”
I recognize that. I’m not impugning your admittedly difficult choice in voting in 2008. I’m skewering you for impugning the difficult choices OTHERS are making in THEIR voting, while having given yourself a pass for the selfsame thing.
You know, you’re really not very good at reading my mind. I strongly suggest you ask me more questions about my positions in the future before you try to divine them by whatever means you’re using. Your methodology just isn’t getting the job done.
“Now, JHM, if you can’t correctly assess what is said on this blog”
I see. You’re trying to speak for me, yet I’m incorrectly assessing my own position. It is to laugh.
“(where all the *evidence* you so purport to love is squarely before us) and reason correctly from it”
I’ve reasoned correctly. You, however, have misread, misinterpreted and misstated my position yet again.
“why bother having any discussion with you about matters where the *evidence* is not squarely before us? You are intellectually dishonest or just stubburnly argumentative, in my view.”
Shrug. I’m on record here as being polite to others with whom I disagree — insofar as they’re able to remain polite themselves. You, however, leap to a great many unwarranted and incorrect conclusions, and then deride others for not seeing things the same way you do. From where I’m standing, you’re intelligent, but not particularly well-informed; you’re also well-spoken, but not particularly attentive in your reading of others’ posts.
“Exactly. Engaging you has turned out to be a waste of my time.”
As if your time were actually valuable. (laughing)
“Too bad though, because we could probably have some great exchanges if it wasn’t always a p***ing match to you”
Again with the attempted mindreading. Is it possible for you to rise beyond your own biases and examine the arguments of others on their own merits? Or must you simply force everything into a box of comfortable shape and size to you?
“(go back and look at your responses to me in the past month and see that on at least a few occasions this is how you – not me – have characterized our back and forth in so many words)”
I have said that. Except that I’ve quite clearly said that *you* were the one treating our exchanges as a pizzing match, not me. Again, you’re not particularly attentive in your reading of others’ posts.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 4th, 2012
5:35 pm
Towncrier — “Yes it does. But what does it say about lawbreakers? Would you not think it appropriate to apply this biblical precept to legal aliens and get some viable guest worker program in place?”
Being present in the US without proper documentation does not make you a “lawbreaker.” Being undocumented is a document offense; it’s akin to driving without your license and registration.
There’s not even a fine that attaches to undocumented status in the vast majority of cases, let alone deportation; normally, ICE will simply require the individual to regularize their status ASAP and get on with their life.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 4th, 2012
5:38 pm
Towncrier – you’re leaping to conclusions and you’ve badly misread my position regarding the spitting issue. Bear with me and let’s see if I can make things clearer to you.
Once again, you err in linking my position to Lembcke’s. I’m aware of his work, but in our initial discussion, I didn’t cite it. You did. The reason I didn’t cite his work is because I’m not interested in three of Lembke’s four arguments that Jim Lindgren takes on. Let’s look at each one in turn.
1) Returning Vietnam vets allegedly being spit on. I am interested in this, for reasons I’ll discuss a bit more later.
2) Lembcke’s claim that the spitting stories didn’t begin appearing until 1980. Well, that’s *Lembcke’s* claim, not mine. I didn’t make it, I don’t support it and I’m not obliged to defend it.
3) Lembcke’s claim that returning Vietnam vets didn’t arrive into commercial airports (San Francisco and Oakland being cited in particular). Again, not my claim, not my issue.
4) Lembcke’s apparent opinion that the spitting stories are dubious *because* many of them involve women doing the spitting. Again, this isn’t a claim I’ve ever made, and it’s not one that I subscribe to. To be completely honest, I’m not sure what Lembcke thinks he’s doing with that argument in the first place. What could he possibly hope to be demonstrating with that claim, even if it *were* true?
So of those four positions that Lindgren questions, only one is of interest to me – whether or not returning Vietnam veterans were spit on. Just FYI, I’m interested in this because I *am* a veteran, and I’m sympathetic to the complaints of veterans returning from theaters of war. However, just like the controversy over Gulf War Syndrome, the cause of those veterans is not helped by rumor, hysteria and faulty memories. Those causes are helped, as Gulf War Syndrome sufferers were, by a cool-headed and rational investigation, followed by marshalling of the facts.
So let’s discuss what Lindgren presented on *that* point in his essay.
1) Apparently, multiple stories appeared in the Bucks County, PA Courier-Times regarding a particular incident and its fallout between the fall of 1967 and the spring of 1968. You can search the archives online, but you get *no* hits on stories that far back. I contacted several three local universities to see if they had or could obtain microfilm reel or microfiche copies of the Courier-Times, but neither GSU, GT or UGA had or could obtain them. I then contacted the paper itself (the Courier-Times now having merged with two other suburban Philadelphia papers and viewable at http://www.phillyburbs.com), but was advised that my only recourse was to physically travel to Philadelphia myself and manually search several *months* of newspapers for a series of stories that Lindgren himself could have identified, both by date and by title. The fact that he did not identify *any* of them in that way renders his ‘evidence’ on that score quite suspect to me. FWIW, had Lindgren actually specified the dates and pages on which the stories appeared, it might have been possible to cajole the Courier-Times staff to make a few Photostats of the stories in question. But as Lindgren didn’t do that, I’m unable to verify his data without a trip to Philly. And though I love cheesesteaks, I’m not going to that much trouble for you or for Lindgren.
2) Lindgren cites a story by James Reston, appearing in the NY Times in October of 1967 that elaborates on spitting incidents. Problem is, there aren’t any stories on that topic *by* James Reston in October of 1967 available online, either behind the Times’ paywall or not. Adding depth to the problem, there *are* stories about the Pentagon protests that Reston was supposedly covering – but their bylines are all for *other* writers, most commonly Ben A. Franklin. Those stories are, however, all behind the Times’ paywall. Now, just as with the Courier-Times pieces, if Lindgren had cited the specifics of the story – title, date and page on which it appeared – then I’d be willing to pony up for an NYT online subscription in order to pull some of these stories by other reporters and review them for incidents of spitting. But he didn’t, and it looks like this piece of ‘evidence’ he cited doesn’t hold up, either.
3) Lindgren also cites a story from the Pomona, CA, Progress-Bulletin of May 16, 1970, involving an ROTC instructor at Claremont Men’s College being spit o