Laughably, GOP wants to blame divisiveness on Obama
“Republicans are seeking to portray President Obama as the divider-in-chief, arguing the presidential candidate who trumpeted hope and change four years ago is now running an increasingly negative campaign.
Their chief argument is that Obama’s attacks on the wealthy are meant to incite class warfare and a heightened us-versus-them mentality never seen before in present-day politics.
But Republicans also point to Democrats’ “war on women” and the contraception mandate in Obama’s healthcare law, which they argue is an attack on religious freedom.
Even the lead-up to the anniversary of the death of Osama bin Laden over the last week was used by a sharp-elbowed Obama to divide the nation, Republicans say.”
Politically speaking, it’s a smart if cynical strategy. Millions of Americans are indeed worried about how divisive our debate and rhetoric have become, and how difficult it has become to reach compromise. They understand at a gut level that it’s an unhealthy state of affairs, and that if allowed to fester it could threaten the nation’s long-term security, prosperity and unity.
Among Republicans, the fact that the divisiveness is almost entirely their own creation doesn’t faze them in the least. Like a spouse abuser who blames his violence on his victim, the Republican Party hopes to blame the whole mess all on Obama.
The truth is, Obama infuriates the Republicans simply by waking up as president each morning. Under the rubric of “taking our country back,” they have challenged his status as an American, they have impugned his faith and they have even questioned his loyalty and patriotism. From the very beginning, they have pursued a conscious strategy of refusing to compromise in any way whatsoever, to the point that they have purged any in their own camp who dare to even suggest such a course. (See Lugar, Richard)
There is no better illustration of that dynamic than what happened with the health-care debate.
When he came into office, Obama abandoned the more liberal public-option approach to health insurance that he had campaigned upon in the ‘08 race. Instead, he embraced an approach that had been pioneered by a Republican governor in Massachusetts, that had been championed for almost a decade by a former Republican speaker of the House from Georgia and that had been created by the most important conservative think tank in Washington.
But what was his reward for seeking common ground? Instead of winning bipartisan support through his embrace of the health-care mandate, Obama found himself condemned as a socialist who was out to undermine the foundation of American society. And that pattern has held throughout the course of his presidency.
Even then, it took Obama a while to come to the realization that no matter what he did, there would be no compromise. The only thing that his opponents wanted from him was his surrender and then his disappearance. That was their price for “unity,” and now they want to blame him for refusing to pay it.
– Jay Bookman
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Jm
May 3rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Mia love in Utah is awwwwwwesome
Black republican woman articulate and fiscally sensible and small government
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:27 pm
Midori,
I guess they wanted him to just lay down for the cons.
He could be Jesus but not good enough for our cons.
Mighty Righty
May 3rd, 2012
6:27 pm
The only war on women I know of is Sharia Law. This law is a implemented by the lefts favorite religion more commonly known as Muslim except by the Obama Administration which prefers that the Muslim religion be referred to as the “Overseas Contingency Religion” or in the case of Fort Hood the “Workplace Incident” religion. With each new incidence of Muslim terrorism the looney left ewill have some term to hide the true nature of the attack. Even though the Fort Hood shooter yelled Alla hu Akbar while murdering our soldiers, The administration has failed to label the killings “hate crimes.” Strange.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:27 pm
midori
That was hilarious! Sounds just like him, doesn’t it!
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:29 pm
“Romney might not be my first choice.”
MIGHT not be?!
Hysterical.
You FAR right wingers despise him.
He’s nothing more than an effete northeastern liberal socialist.
So why is it that you neocons can’t even nominate one of your own? You know, the dumb as a rock, goofy grinning type like geeDub? It’s not like you haven’t trotted out a dozen and half Bush wannabes in the past five years.
What in the hell has happened to your party discipline? LOL!
And this is now two times in a row that you angst ridden, highly conflicted Republicans have nominated a RINO!
A socialized medicine RINO.
Too bad the (W)orst Ever can’t run again, otherwise you could all cream your pants and vote for him again…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:31 pm
RIGHTY
Pardon me if I come in as the Little Jew Boy here…but I find gratuitous Muslim bashing just as unseemly as gratuitous Christian bashing, Buddhist bashing, Sikh bashing or whatever the flavor of the weak (stet!)
Matti
May 3rd, 2012
6:32 pm
Did he just call her “articulate?”
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:32 pm
“The only war on women I know of…”
The new name for it is the Full Scale GOP Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights.
Whaddaya think?
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:32 pm
ZamVet
Yeah. And the Dems nominate Bush Lite…do you get the feeling you’ve stepped behind the looking glass, Alice? Gotta love the irony of it all, though…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
6:33 pm
Towncrier — “Okay…enough of this nonsense. I am going to start pegging you to the wall using YOUR playbook. Please show where I discounted the politicization of 9/11 and how I did so.”
Here you go:
“In case you didn’t know it, there are no perfect political candidates and voting for one over another almost always is a choice of the lesser of two evils and you vote for the one that more closely (as best you can tell) reflects your beliefs. And, also in case you didn’t know it, criticizing a candidate for his words or actions does not mean you will never vote for him.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/03/laughably-gop-wants-to-blame-divisiveness-on-obama/?cp=5#comment-943082
“When you can provide evidence from the very blog for the assertions you make, let’s talk.”
Okay, start talking.
“Once again, I’ve already *been* trying to validate the supposed ‘evidence’ you posted. And it’s not panning out, Champ. Guess you’ll have to go find some more.”
“Really? So what have you invalidated thus far?”
Several claimed pieces of “evidence” in the form of news stories in your link are not, as I’ve already told you, available in any way other than via a physical search of the archives of the newspapers in question. And I’m not obliged to do that. If you or the author of your refuting essay would care to *rely* on such data, then it’s incumbent on the citer to provide it. Footnotes are often satisfactory, from an academic point of view, yet the writer failed to provide any.
Incidentally, the writer took Lembcke to task for not finding those ‘easily found’ pieces of evidence he cites. On closer examination, those allegedly ‘easily found’ pieces of evidence aren’t anywhere nearly as easy to find as the writer’s claiming they are.
Now, as I’ve told you before, I’m open to persuasion on the point, but I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that you’ve either got an axe to grind on the topic or else you just agree with the writer and didn’t bother to look at his essay with a critical eye. Either way, I’m rapidly losing confidence that your ‘evidence’ is anything of the sort, especially given how demanding you’re being about others checking your work for you.
“Or is this more of the “I’m going to believe (over and against what commonsense says about human behavior) what a liberal sociologist wrote in the single book I have on the topic until you can show me proof on the Internet to the contrary AND personal testimony is invalid to me unless it agrees with my preconceived notions” game you like to play?”
Sonny, I didn’t *cite* Lembcke. YOU brought him up first in the original discussion. (laughing)
“You know, there are only two liberal posters I find insufferable here. You are one and the other knows who he is. Go pander your sophistry and childishness to some other gullible poster.”
I don’t post here to satisfy you. I post at the sufferance of our host. If you don’t care for what I have to say or if you find it upsetting, then either scroll past it or just don’t respond. But I’m not going to “shut up” or go elsewhere simply because you say so.
F. Sinkwich
May 3rd, 2012
6:34 pm
“And this is now two times in a row that you angst ridden, highly conflicted Republicans have nominated a RINO!”
Not the ideal choice, granted, but light years better than O’bozo.
Thanks for your concern, though.
Gator Joe
May 3rd, 2012
6:35 pm
If Romney is elected, the Corporate Right, the Christian Right, and the Neocons will play him like a stradavarius, or better yet, like a ventriloquist manipulates a dummy.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:35 pm
getalife- He could be Jesus but not good enough for our cons
You’re confused again. Jesus would be voted out by the left because you would cry seperation of church and state.
You would also be against his “teach a man to fish” campaign because Democrats know the only way to buy votes is getting the population dependent on their current “give a man a fish” policy.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Doom, Towncrier — I’m out. Do have a pleasant evening, gentlemen.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
scott wants no guns at their convention.
gop freaks out.
scott caves.
Guns at their convention.
What could go wrong?
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
6:37 pm
“Jesus would be voted out by the left because you would cry seperation of church and state”
Last time I checked Jesus was not a church.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:38 pm
jk,
Get your religion out of my politics.
Thanks.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Yep, josef. there is much too little difference between the two parties in way too many ways.
Notwithstanding Newt Nitwit saying that George Jr. is “the most radical leftist president in American history.”
And he is supposedly one of the intellectual giants that they have!
Is it any wonder that these parrots cough op pretty much the same absurd claptrap?
Did you see Luckovich’s offering today?
Brilliant!
He skewered the Georgia gasbag, at the expense of poor old Porky Pig.
Between him and Nein, Nein ,Nein Herman, the Peach State was absolutely humiliated this election cycle…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
JKL
No, I think most of us libs would vote for Jesus because of his stand on separation of church and state”
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto G-d the things that are G-d’s”
–Matthew 22:21
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:40 pm
Sink
How has the gas station attendant measured up the Presidential election?
Does he see a close race or a run away for one of the candidates?
Mighty Righty
May 3rd, 2012
6:41 pm
If you lefty looneys really believed the nonsense you spout about how increasing taxes will help the economy, then put your money where ypur mouth is and donate all of your money, and all of you childrens money to the benevolent most beneficial united states government. You lefties have more money to donate than all of the so called rich people in the US. If you would just give your money to the government you would all be better off. Don’t hold back. You probably didn’t earn it to begin with. What a selfless jesture to do what you preach. Let your action do the talking.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:41 pm
ZamVet
Saw it…midori referred me…like I said, hilarious and sounds just like him….
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:42 pm
jamvet- You FAR right wingers despise him
Romney still has some potential. obama is utterly hopeless in any direction as a human being as far as I’m concerned. Devout socialist, hates our country, driving us off a cliff as fast as he can. Sounds like someone I should re-elect…
I tried to become a Democrat, but I couldn’t get obamacare to pay for my lobotomy.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:42 pm
“Not the ideal choice.”
“Might not be my first choice.”
With ringing endorsements like that, how can the RINO lose?!
But then, these are the same guys who gave us such deeply philosophical gems like…
“George didn’t do everything right.”
and
“I didn’t agree with everything Bush did.”
Wow.
The moral courage is staggering…
ragnar danneskjold
May 3rd, 2012
6:43 pm
The laughing maniacs can sit in the back seat after November.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:43 pm
Romney still has some potential.
Put that on your bumper sticker, cons!
You guys are dead meat. I’m just enjoying the circus…
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:44 pm
“The laughing maniacs can sit in the back seat after November.”
Behind the sign that says reserved for the GOP?
Jm
May 3rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Mia Love: awesome
Hope she wins
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
6:46 pm
Just because he’s a Georgia redneck that spews hate talk doesn’t mean he’s racist. A lot of Republicans use that same argument.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:47 pm
Not sure if it is amusing or just sad, when anyone attempts to use their God ( and I say “use” with great emphasis) for the advancement or justification of their political affiliation or to knock another person’s political affiliation
But keep it up on all sides…………..
maybe I will chuckle at the same time a tear rolls down my cheek
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:48 pm
“Except that there was absolutely no reason for the data to be cut off where it was — unless you wanted to hide the fact that the tax cuts FAILED to continue their alleged effects past that very short time horizon. The tax cuts were STILL in effect — so why cut off the analysis?”
I’ll make it so simple even you can understand it. Because Joe economics is dynamic and what happens in years later on down the line when other and different macro factors come into play doesn’t give us as concise of an ability to determine correlation or possibly cause and effect as much as a shorter term analysis. The fact remains that immediately after the tax cuts were fully realized economic growth improved and fairly substantially at that. Doesn’t mean economic growth is going to last forever as I’m sure you’ve heard of the business cycle and of other macro external factors- the housing meltdown would be one.
“I don’t know if you’ve ever stood before a thesis or dissertation committee in grad school, Doom,”
Actually I have had to defend papers and thesises to economics professors but that kind of deflection on your side has no relevance to the point at hand now does it? Stick to the issue at hand champ.
“That’s clearly why Heritage cut their numbers off at that point — because the data *no longer showed what they were trying to claim it did.*”
No. it didn’t. ANd that would be because external factors such as the looming housing meltdown were coming into play. It doesn’t change the straightforward fact that economic growth short term grew immediately after the cuts were realized- a fact you still hate to acknowledge. ANd if you don’t like the place that the data set ends then I guess that’s just tough for you.
“Funny how the numbers stopped showing what Heritage was crowing about the *very next month* after they cut off their analysis, Doom. You don’t find that at all fishy?”
Nothing funny about it. Other external factors were coming into play. For example if I remember correctly I believe that employment started to dip the month the Dems took over Congress. I’m certain your crack research team can verify that with the BLS stats. Funny how that happens huh Joe?
“I’m sure that they recognized that analysts would jump on any dip at the end of their dataset — which, I strongly suspect is why they cut off their numbers where they did.”
Do you have any idea just how foolish that sounds Joe Mama? Does your mind actually believe that they or anybody else doesn’t know and acknowledge that an enormous recession hit in 07? Does your mind honestly think that they can hide the fact that this thing called the recession hit in 2007? That’s just plain silly dude. They ended their data set precisely because it shows economic growth up to when the recession hit. There’s nothing fishy and nothing to hide champ. Everyone knows the recession came next. Geez.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Y’all are missing the bright side of all this…if somebody had told you a hundred years ago that there’d come a day when we’d have the choice of a Liberal Mormon or a Conservative black white man, would you have ever believed it…not in a hundred years, you would’ve said…but, well here we are…progress and American exceptionalism, ain’t it grand?
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
jamvet- What in the hell has happened to your party discipline?
Too manypeople think you have to nominate someone in the center to win. They didn’t learn from Reagan, or even from the Democrats electing the farthest left wingnut of the bunch. (we’ll save the debate of his skin color being a major factor for another time).
Too bad the Worst Ever can’t run again, otherwise you could all cream your pants and vote for him again…
But obama is running again. And I think you meant vote against him again.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
JKL2 deserves success in his quest to have his taxpayer benefits revoked by the GOP.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:50 pm
Taxpayer
Not sure if they are still doing it, but a year or two ago a bar in Marietta was selling tshirts with Obama’s name on them……. the depiction on the shirt of Obama was a monkey
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:51 pm
jamvet- The new name for it is the Full Scale GOP Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights
Sound like a DNC talking point to me. Send it to media matters and watch how every news organization will be saying verbatim tomorrow.
getalife
May 3rd, 2012
6:51 pm
“Georgia bar owner Patrick Lanzo of Paulding County has made habit of claiming he’s not racist, an argument that becomes harder to make each time he decides to display the n-word on a large roadside sign outside his establishment, the Georgia Peach Oyster Bar.
Lanzo’s latest message reads, “I do not support the n***** in the White House.” He recently told a local reporter that the offensive wording was not meant to be racist.” Aol
Pitiful.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
May 3rd, 2012
6:51 pm
Diaper Alert!
Diaper Alert!
.
For Bookman, Wingfeild, and all other Romney/Obama supporters/Federo-sexuals.
.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2012/05/fox-news-admits/
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
josef @ 6:48
Great commentary
hahahaha
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
Thomas
Tell Alex Jones we all said hello
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
Joe mama,
Also since you like to talk about data sets and variables perhaps you can acknowledge when reading this that variables change that effect economics. All kinds of variables- political as just one example. I sense that your misunderstandings of economics are baed partly in having a static view of things as many liberals tend to have as opposed to a dynamic view of things. I’ll be sure to work with you more on that later.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
TaxPayer,
I’m just loving that he and his severely conservative buddies are going to vote for a Massachusetts commie.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
BOTH
I’ve got an Obama T shirt with him as Alfred E. Neuman!
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
6:55 pm
getalife- Get your religion out of my politics
Do we have to set up a counter for how many times you can get schooled in a single day?
You brought up the point we wouldn’t elect Jesus. I just pointed out it’s the left that would destroy him. Sorry your side is so full of hate. The GOP can have guns at their convention because we know they aren’t going to try and kill anyone. Think Tea Party event v OWS.
Demwits with guns would be a blood bath.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
Thomas H…
What’s a federosexual? I gotta get out more…
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
“I just pointed out it’s the left that would destroy him”
And isn’t it a pity that Josef shot that down flat?
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
josef
That is not far off, but I think anyone with common sense knows what the monkey implication is all about
Once again your 6:48 was great……… best post of the day
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
“Interesting. So give me a few of these apparently multiple multiple examples in which he has played the race card. I mean, other than the many mornings in which he had the audacity to wake up black. Other than those times….”
I’m your huckleberry. Here you go:
1) In a campaign speech in 2008 in which he said: “So what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky.”
2) In another 2008 campaign speech in which he said the following: “He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky. That’s essentially the argument they’re making.”
3) When he interjected his opinions into the arrest of Professor Henry Louis Gates before knowing all of the facts, going so far as to say the police acted “stupidly” (and without equal fervor not similarly interjecting himself into any other cases involving, say, whites or asians)
4) When he interjected himself into the Trayvon Martin case without knowing all of the facts, saying that if he had had a son, he would’ve looked like Trayvon (which, because of his white DNA, might not be true at all)
5) His recent “African Americans for Obama” campaign launch (I’m still waiting for the “European Americans for Romney launch – what…I shouldn’t expect it???)
Okay, your turn. Let me hear you justify, minimize or otherwise ignore these five examples. And, by the way and for the 100th time, Obama is HALF WHITE. So, will you please dispense with your “because he’s black” mantra (such as your used in your ill-advised headline about Trayvon Martin).
josef
May 3rd, 2012
6:59 pm
JKL
And I quoted Jesus as quoted by St. Matthew…or is that something like Burns…they didn’t teach you about that in Sunday School up in the superior state of Illinois…
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
6:59 pm
I think that “Rooney Still Has Some Potential” is not the best campaign slogan to run with.
Remember “I Like Ik”e?
So how about “Mitt ain’t It!” (Or its more vulgar variant, “Mitt Ain’t Sh*t!”).
Orr how about “Flip for Romney!”?
N?
OK, here’s a winner – “He May Be a Socialist, But He’s Our Socialist!”
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:00 pm
jamvet- With ringing endorsements like that, how can the RINO lose?!
Because too many stupid people will fall for the Party of Handouts line about their government checks being bigger and too many people will vote based on the color of their candidate’s skin rather than the content of their candidates character.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
BOTH
Of course I’m with you on the monkey thingie…I got called out here once, though, for saying that some of the shennanigans were more fun that a barrel of the simians!
Thanks for the vote on the 6:48…just doing my EOI duties…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
“Osama bin Laden was a surprising proponent of the Arab spring, according to documents found after his capture and released on Thursday.”
And so was Obama.
Now it is turning into something far worse ………….. just as Osama bin Laden thought.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:03 pm
towncrier @ 6:57
#5
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1174854/posts
Just sayn……….. You might want to retract ole # 5
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
“Forwaaaaaaaard ………….. Hype and Blame !”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
“I got called out here once, though, for saying that some of the shennanigans were more fun that a barrel of the simians”
Well that might have been a little sensitive……. but I guess you never know
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
taxpayer- JKL2 deserves success in his quest to have his taxpayer benefits revoked by the GOP.
Which ones are those?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
“Russian official threatens a pre-emptive strike on US-led NATO missile facilities in Eastern Europe if the state of negotiations ‘worsens,’ further escalating the antagonistic rhetoric out of Moscow.”
………………….. and we don’t need F-35’s and F-22’s ??
F. Sinkwich
May 3rd, 2012
7:06 pm
“How has the gas station attendant measured up the Presidential election?”
Thanks for reminding me!
I had to fill up the family truckster about a week ago. Went to QT this time (took advantage of the Publix $50 gas card for $40. Sweet!). While I was quenching its thirst for the 87 octane fuel of the past, I got a pang of hunger.
So I strolled into the establishment looking for a corn dog or something to tide me over. A friendly guy at the counter said hi. I think they do that at all the QTs.
His name was Steve. His name badge said he’d been there since 2010. I found a yummy looking hot dog then went up to pay. It was slow in there at the time so I struck up a conversation with him.
“Anybody come in here asking for the algae pump,” I asked.
“A few weeks ago a couple did,” he chuckled, “I’d tell them it was pump number zero, like the ‘0′ in Obama.”
Pretty funny!
I asked him what he did before QT, he said he was a landscape architect. Said ever since Obama, people don’t want to spend on stuff like that.
I wished him luck, and said I would do what I could to defeat him.
He said thanks.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:07 pm
BOTH
Except it was a right winger who did it! Another time I called Obama a Shabbatai Zvi and got accused of being anti Muslim ( a leftie that time)…
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:07 pm
What’s a federosexual?
Probably something to do with secret service agents.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:08 pm
Scout
Are the newest MIGs out pacing the 22s in terms of overall technology or at they still at 18 range?
Asking because I don’t know…..
Do know the Blue Angels were awesome this weekend and the F22 exhibition…….
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Sinkwich
“I asked him what he did before QT, he said he was a landscape architect. Said ever since Obama, people don’t want to spend on stuff like that.”
Not to mention Obama been deportin’ all them cheap labor Messicans…
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
josef @ 7:07
They come from all sides when you bring the heat………….
hahahaha
Eloquently but effectively you know how to get a response when you want one
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:11 pm
taxpayer- JKL2 deserves success in his quest to have his taxpayer benefits revoked by the GOP.
JKL2-Which ones are those?
The ones the Republicans want to get rid of. You do know that the GOP would prefer to see federal retiree and veteran benefits cut so that money could be spent on more better war toys like F-35s. Don’t you keep up with what your party favors.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
7:11 pm
2, though you do it well, quit being an America-hater and a commie.
More possible slogans for ya…
“Willard is no Dullard!”
“Romney is No Commie”
“Hire Mitt, So he Can Fire You!”
“Corporations are People, My Friend. And You Ain’t People!”
“I’ll Tell You What, Ten Thousand Bucks?”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:13 pm
Sink @ 7:06
I must admit without a doubt…….. that is the funniest post I have ever read from you
While I mess with you about that story and I’m sure will continue, I don’t wish that kid any ill will. Hope he owns the place one day……………… And I sure hope he is voting, regardless of who he is backing
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:13 pm
and we don’t need F-35’s and F-22’s ??
scout wants a strafing run on Putin’s place to keep him in line.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
They BOTH suck,
I kinda remember that about the guy or bar with the t-shirts. Now I don’t know if its the same guy but there was a guy in the news that likened O to curious George. This guy didn’t even think or realize that it would be racist. He saw a pic of curious George somewhere and thought he looked like O. At the risk of sounding racist i kinda laughed about it when I saw i the pic of curious george and I thought about it for a second and I thought “dang He does look like curious george”. And i don’t think that’s racist. I heard someone say Nick Saban looks like a weasel. I thought about it and said “yeah He kinda does look like a weasel”. And when I was a kid there was another kid with cross eyes that looked kinda like a monkey. Someone called him a cross eyed monkey one day. And I thought “yeah, he sure does look like a cross eyeed monkey”. The kid was white.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:16 pm
doggone/josef- And isn’t it a pity that Josef shot that down flat?
I like how his comment on taxes means seperation of church and state to you. If Jesus is getting elected it would definitely be as a Republican.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:17 pm
They BOTH suck:
Regarding Russian aircraft I’ll have to leave that to the experts.
However, only a fool doesn’t want a better weapon against someone he may someday have to fight.
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
TD
Might be the same dude. While the guy has a right to do so and I wasn’t advocating he stop selling them, however I find it hard to believe he didn’t see the implication……….
But of course I do not know the guy to say what he thinks or feels in his mind and heart
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
“Not to mention Obama been deportin’ all them cheap labor Messicans…”
They been deporting themselves because the economy is so bad.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:19 pm
JKL
His comment on taxes? Render unto Caesar…give the state its shekels and quit your kvetching..put your mind on G-d…a lot more bang for the buck…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
jamvet- He May Be a Socialist, But He’s Our Socialist!”
I thought we were talking about Romney. obama already picked the Marxist slogan Forward! for his campaign.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
Taxpayer, I vote for your 7:07 as the funniest post today!
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
“If Jesus is getting elected it would definitely be as a Republican”
I don’t think I’ll hold my breath waiting for him to be elected as anything.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:21 pm
THULSA
The Obama administration has been deporting them in the largest numbers of any administration since the Eisehower one…
And, no, the ones here aren’t up and leaving because of the economy…they’re just not coming in in such numbers as before…
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
7:22 pm
“obama already picked the Marxist slogan Forward! for his campaign”
There you go. Leaves the socialist slogan wide open for the guy who can best use it.
JamVet
May 3rd, 2012
7:22 pm
More Romney/??? 2012 slogans
“I’m Unemployed and I’ll Do My Best To Get You There!”
“My Wife Has a Couple of Cadillacs and She Needs A Driver!”
“I Get Speaker’s Fees, Not Very Much. But It’s More Than You’ll Make This Decade!”
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Scout
That is why I was asking…… Wasn’t saying we shouldn’t have better or do not need 22s and 35s. However a comparison of the current MIGs vs 18s, 22s, & 35s in terms of technology and operational strategy as well as cost to the tax payer is a valid concern imo…….
Cost can’t be the only factor, but it has to be a determination to some degree……
The Osprey was a boondoggle for sure……….. A number of Dems and Repubs fought and fought to keep that going………
And we gained what in terms of military viability from that “thing”? it sure cost a lot of money
that is just an example………
Of course there are numerous positive examples that assist in keeping us pretty damn safe as opposed to many places in this world
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
THULSA
@7:15
Even you don’t believe THAT two-step…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
How about that Elizabeth Warren (aka: Princess Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring)?
http://wb9otx.blogspot.com/2009/07/princess-summerfall-winterspring.html
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
taxpayer- The ones the Republicans want to get rid of. You do know that the GOP would prefer to see federal retiree and veteran benefits cut so that money could be spent on more better war toys like F-35s
Are those the ones obama already passed for next year?
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Past time to get out troops out of Europe and everywhere else where they don’t belong. We should cut our defense budget in half,
Iff Obama’s presense causes people to hate him. Whose fault is that. His or theirs.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:25 pm
They BOTH suck:
I hear you but would rather overdo it than underdo it.
American lives are at stake.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:26 pm
They both suck,
People can be that naive. When I was 33 years old I worked at worldcom. We were all standing around talking about where we were from and someone asked me. And I said I was from monkeytown which Montgomery, AL. has been called a few times because of the number of blacks which of course is racist. But at that time in my life I had zero clue about that. I had heard the term once or twice before and heard it the week before when I was telling someone at a bar or somewhere where I was from and he said that. Anyway everyone just gave me a blank look and my white assistant gave me a look like “shut up”. I just looked at everyone and said “What? That ’s what they call it. I dunno why” cause they were all looking at me funny. It was pretty obvious to my black co-workers that I had no clue what the hell the term meant- especially since one of them was and is my best friend in ATL.
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:26 pm
Doggone
Don’t you have to run to be elected? I don’t think Cuzzin JC would be standing for election…
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:27 pm
jamvet- quit being an America-hater and a commie.
I have never been a democrat even though I’ll admit I was sucked in by Carter when I was in grade school and didn’t know any better
josef
May 3rd, 2012
7:27 pm
Scout
For the record, she claims the same blood quantum as you!
They BOTH suck
May 3rd, 2012
7:28 pm
TD
“They been deporting themselves because the economy is so bad.”
It is a combo of economy as well as Fed and State intervention like it hasn’t been in years
My mother attends a Spanish church south of the city…………. There are many illegals that attend the church. Some are pissed at the crackdowns……. saying that is how they are appreciated after doing the labor Americans wouldn’t and want do………….
I remember
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
I don’t find Obama the Divider to be laughable in the least. The progressives have been busy dividing this nation from the moment Obama took over. Obama has taken every opportunity to divide by race, by class, by income, by gender. It’s how he thinks and how he acts. What is laughable is Jay’s defense of the indefensible. While Jayhas already lost crediblity outside of anyone in America who doesn’t think Ed Schultz is wise or Rachel Madow is hot, this column is a new low.
Thulsa Doom
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
josef,
In that case of the guy selling t-shirts probably not. Reason being at least one person would have clued the guy in and told him that it was a racist term or denoted calling black people monkeys. He knew what he was doing. But I am saying there are people who can go through life and somehow just never hear the term and never get clued in. I met a 55 year old white woman from Carrollton who had no idea what the hell MLK blvd and all that was for. The woman had no clue who MLK was even after you splained it to her.
Oscar
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
Who is picking our Vidalia onions this year.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 3rd, 2012
7:30 pm
josef:
For the record, I think she lied on some job forms.
Recon 0311 2533
May 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
Incompetence or coldness. Either one is unacceptable as it relates to Chen the Chinese dissident evidently being abandon in Beijing. And then the Russian general who threatens a preemptive attack on our defensive missiles. Yes in a addition to a failed economic policy we have an administration with a failed foreign policy. How can the left wing tools justify all of this.
JKL2
May 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
josef- The Obama administration has been deporting them in the largest numbers of any administration since the Eisehower one…
It’s a good thing he has the largest population of illegal immigrants to choose from. That .000001 deportation rate is impressive.
TaxPayer
May 3rd, 2012
7:32 pm
However, only a fool thinks a tax cut will pay for a better weapon against someone he may someday have to fight.
Doggone/GA
May 3rd, 2012
7:33 pm
“Don’t you have to run to be elected? I don’t think Cuzzin JC would be standing for election”
Yep….which is WHY I’m not going to hold my breath!
Towncrier
May 3rd, 2012
7:33 pm
Okay, everybody, let’s get down to the raw facts and a conclusion to the matter”
I said in one of my posts in that a lot of people see Obama highlighting the death of Bin Laden on the anniversary of that event in an election year as “crassly opportunistic” (word borrowed from Jay himself, though not applied to Obama). To which JHM responded in the following manner:
“Considering how hard the Republican candidates were flogging 9/11 in 2008, one wonders if you voted Republican and how you managed to square that vote with your statement above.”
Now, to anyone with reasonably good interpretive skills, JHM is aking me to square my criticism of Obama with my vote for McCain when the Republicans were doing the same thing (as if I was going to refrain from voting in light of any failings of the candidate I felt more represented my positions and even though I once said I voted for McCain holding my nose). To which I responded like this:
“In case you didn’t know it, there are no perfect political candidates and voting for one over another almost always is a choice of the lesser of two evils and you vote for the one that more closely (as best you can tell) reflects your beliefs. And, also in case you didn’t know it, criticizing a candidate for his words or actions does not mean you will never vote for him.”
This JHM, in his warped reasoning and coneception of things, interpreted as a discounting of the politicization of 9/11 – when, in fact, I was merely saying that when faced with a choice between voting for a candidate or not (the options given me by JHM), I am going to do the former whatever his faults. Implicit in my response was an acknowldegment of the fact that the Republicans have done wrong.
Now, JHM, if you can’t correctly assess what is said on this blog (where all the *evidence* you so purport to love is squarely before us) and reason correctly from it, why bother having any discussion with you about matters where the *evidence* is not squarely before us? You are intellectually dishonest or just stubburnly argumentative, in my view.
“If you don’t care for what I have to say or if you find it upsetting, then either scroll past it or just don’t respond.”
Exactly. Engaging you has turned out to be a waste of my time. Too bad though, because we could probably have some great exchanges if it wasn’t always a p***ing match to you (go back and look at your responses to me in the past month and see that on at least a few occasions this is how you – not me – have characterized our back and forth in so many words)