A pretty expensive Swiss Army knife

I carry a pocket knife everywhere I go; it was part of how I was brought up, and I find that it comes in handy all the time. If I have to leave it at home because I’m going somewhere with a security screening — a Braves game, the state Capitol, etc., it feels a little odd.

I do not, however, choose to carry a Swiss Army knife. Sure, it can do a lot more things than my simple pocketknife, from opening a bottle of wine to sawing through a small branch. But it’s bulky and uncomfortable, and it does nothing particularly well.

Kind of like the F-35 fighter jet, which is supposed to be the Swiss Army knife of the U.S. military.

The F-35 is intended to serve the U.S. Air Force in its standard version, the Navy in its carrier version and the Marines in a third version. It is designed to perform both as an air-to-air fighter — light, fast and quick maneuvering — and as a close-air support platform for infantry engaged with the enemy, which means it has to carry a big bomb-and-missile payload.

However, as an article in Foreign Policy points out, it does none of those things all that well, and it does them at a very high and increasing sticker price:

“How bad is it? A review of the F-35’s cost, schedule, and performance — three essential measures of any Pentagon program — shows the problems are fundamental and still growing.

First, with regard to cost — a particularly important factor in what politicians keep saying is an austere defense budget environment — the F-35 is simply unaffordable. Although the plane was originally billed as a low-cost solution, major cost increases have plagued the program throughout the last decade. Last year, Pentagon leadership told Congress the acquisition price had increased another 16 percent, from $328.3 billion to $379.4 billion for the 2,457 aircraft to be bought. Not to worry, however — they pledged to finally reverse the growth.

The result? This February, the price increased another 4 percent to $395.7 billion and then even further in April. Don’t expect the cost overruns to end there: The test program is only 20 percent complete, the Government Accountability Office has reported, and the toughest tests are yet to come. Overall, the program’s cost has grown 75 percent from its original 2001 estimate of $226.5 billion — and that was for a larger buy of 2,866 aircraft.

Hundreds of F-35s will be built before 2019, when initial testing is complete. The additional cost to engineer modifications to fix the inevitable deficiencies that will be uncovered is unknown, but it is sure to exceed the $534 million already known from tests so far. The total program unit cost for each individual F-35, now at $161 million, is only a temporary plateau. Expect yet another increase in early 2013, when a new round of budget restrictions is sure to hit the Pentagon, and the F-35 will take more hits in the form of reducing the numbers to be bought, thereby increasing the unit cost of each plane.

A final note on expense: The F-35 will actually cost multiples of the $395.7 billion cited above. That is the current estimate only to acquire it, not the full life-cycle cost to operate it. The current appraisal for operations and support is $1.1 trillion — making for a grand total of $1.5 trillion, or more than the annual GDP of Spain. And that estimate is wildly optimistic: It assumes the F-35 will only be 42 percent more expensive to operate than an F-16, but the F-35 is much more complex. The only other “fifth generation” aircraft, the F-22 from the same manufacturer, is in some respects less complex than the F-35, but in 2010, it cost 300 percent more to operate per hour than the F-16. To be very conservative, expect the F-35 to be twice the operating and support cost of the F-16.”

In response, some will argue that whatever the price, we must pay it, and they will make that claim while depicting themselves as defense hawks. But real life doesn’t work like that. The country has a finite amount of capital to invest in defense, and a dollar wasted in one area is a dollar that is not available to be spent in another, perhaps more effective area. Efficiency in military spending is no less important, and in many ways much more important, than in other government operations.

But that’s not how we tend to see things. The hugely excessive and inexcusable GSA convention in Las Vegas cost taxpayers a total of $823,000, and drew congressional hearings over the extravagance. The mindset that allowed such waste is intolerable, but the amount of money involved is a rounding error of a rounding error over a program such as the F-35, which draws little to no public attention.

– Jay Bookman

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josef

May 2nd, 2012
9:05 pm

SCOUT
The more time I spend talking to you, the more I suspect that you’re a closet case…a closet case what, I’m not sure yet…

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:07 pm

debbie- The $320 check from the government. It’ll come every month until I no longer need it; while the Red Cross check is a “once a year” stipend. Duh!

Spoken like the true koolaid drinking lib you are. Who is going to give the government that $1,000 check each month so they can send you that $320?

I guess you could call it “manna from heaven” but that would insult your firm belief in seperation of church and state. Maybe it could come from aliens?

josef

May 2nd, 2012
9:08 pm

BOTH

Sounds like you’re applying for EOI membership tonight! Way to go! :-)

godless heathen

May 2nd, 2012
9:08 pm

JamVet might get on my nerves with his broken record rants about Republicans and Corporations, but he likes good music and is a baseball fan, so he’s alright in my book.

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm

Touching up Doc Halladay, the owner of a perfecto and two Cy Youngs, for nine hits through five ain’t half bad for the Braves…

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm

NBC is showing getting obl with all the details.

They trained in the Nevada desert.

Good stuff.

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm

Recon

I haven’t read it………. Once I knew the guy had lied about Cambodia……… why would I?

No more than I will or should question your service, I will not question his

Once again,,,,,,,, his he a flip flopping politician like many……. You better believe it

I just find it hard to fathom that many will jump his case yet can’t vote fast enough for others who like Cheney “had other priorities”……..

If his service and what he did or didn’t do his some sort of foundation or basis then you are voting for many people who did exactly nothing except for working to stay of Vietnam

There choice….. but if the criteria is to call him out……. lets call them all our

And as you can read in my post I have not discredit Oneil’s service but I am calling him a liar on the issue that I presented

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm

heathen, LOL at both of us…

Recon 0311 2533

May 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm

AmVet, if there were any that I did piss on they were better men than you even in their death. Sooo, yes correct.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:10 pm

jamvet- But let’s face it, no matter how you justify your troop-smearing, none of you boys are qualified to shine Kerry’s combat boots…

Let alone am I over-qualified, I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. He could come shine my brass for this weekend and long as he promises not to throw away my medals.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 2nd, 2012
9:11 pm

Col. David Hackworth:

DSC
10 Silver Stars
DFC
7 Bronze Stars
8 Purple Hearts
Air Medal (Valor Device)
Army Commendation Medal (Valor Device)

I’d say that’s impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:11 pm

josef

Edge of Insanity

yes

:-)

Matti

May 2nd, 2012
9:12 pm

A house divided…

… is falling down. Do I stay and lend my hands and strength to the effort of holding it up? Or do I say “fugg ALL y’all!” sprint away, and save myself? Hmmm…. choices, choices. I really loved that house, too. It meant everything to me. It was a good house.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 2nd, 2012
9:12 pm

josef:

“The more time I spend talking to you, the more I suspect that you’re a closet case…a closet case what, I’m not sure yet…”

Because we disagree on some things? You’re more intelligent than that.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:14 pm

JamVet
March 19th, 2012
3:13 pm

(ir), I’ve never used that acronym (AWOL) in my life regarding GWB. He basically skipped out and got away with it. Scott free.

Just goes to show you are clueless about how the Guard operates. He didn’t do anything I don’t see others doing on a weekly basis.

Recon 0311 2533

May 2nd, 2012
9:15 pm

“And as you can read in my post I have not discredit Oneil’s service but I am calling him a liar on the issue that I presented”

And without reading his entire accounting within his book, complete with testimony from creditable Navy personnel who were there. I’m sorry but that doesn’t make you very creditable.

*

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:16 pm

2, the only medals you ever earned were for finishing seventh in that pine wood derby.

Deli, I doubt that you could even hit the mark. You’d end with nothing but soaked pants legs and flip flops!

getalife, watching the neocons squirm over this anniversary has been priceless. El Pigbo nearly herniated his fat arse earlier crying about it.

I swear these cons wish that OBL was still alive…

j$

May 2nd, 2012
9:16 pm

I like the Buck knife.

You can cut through a bolt with it.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:16 pm

“In a stunning development one day after the release of Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, by Dr. Jerome Corsi, World Net Daily Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah has announced plans to recall and pulp the entire 200,000 first printing run of the book, as well as announcing an offer to refund the purchase price to anyone who has already bought either a hard copy or electronic download of the book.”

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jerome-corsi-birther-book-5765410#ixzz1tlUYvLci

Garbage.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:17 pm

getalife- I did.

You’re not too bright are you sport.

Sorry my question went right over your head.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

May 2nd, 2012
9:17 pm

Paul: ,i> Yet Republicans in Congress have vowed to not cut Defense and to increase funding and Romney has called for a dramatic increase in manning, weapons and funding

Hiya Paul!! What’s so amazing about your comment is that they want to increase spending on WEAPONS, (which helps the people who build weapons); yet there is absolutely NO talk on increasing the standard of living for the soldier or his/her family. There is no talk about building better hospitals for soldiers or having better facilities in place to help the returning soldier reintegrate back into society. Not enough funds for that, surprisingly enough…………….

Say: Debbie, have you ever been to Detroit, have you read my other post about countries that tried to make all things equal for their people and have miserably failed….

I’ve been to Detroit many times – my great uncle (Grand’s baby brother); lived there and we’d go once a year. It used to be nice, but if you don’t have jobs, you can’t raise revenue from taxes and you can not support your infrastructure. 98.5% of the people who are unemployed right now don’t want handouts, they want JOBS.

TC: But when one earns five combat medals during a four month stint, returns home and publicly (as opposed to privately) testifies before Congress about, among other things, atrocities committed by American soldiers, appears on a number of talk shows and soon thereafter gets into politics, then I kind of wonder

I had to google to see which medals Kerry received and you don’t receive the the Silver Star, & Bronze Star by being a wimp or a person who’s only out for himself or has a hidden agenda. Kerry’s commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander George Elliott, joked to Douglas Brinkley in 2003 that he didn’t know whether to court-martial Kerry for beaching the boat without orders or give him a medal for saving the crew. Elliott recommended Kerry for the Silver Star. He got that medal for his bravery – he put his life on the line to save his crew. Someone with an agenda would probably NOT do that since they’d want to come home alive in order to carry out their “plans” per se.

At least that’s how I see it.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:19 pm

Jam,

It is really good.

The cons heads would explode if they watched.

Soothsayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:19 pm

The military/security complex went to work to revive the need for a massive “defense” and “security” budget. Among their willing tools were the neoconservatives, with their French Jacobin ideology and Israeli loyalties. The neocons defined America as the “indispensable people.” Such extraordinary people as Americans must establish hegemony over the world as the sole remaining superpower. As most neoconservatives are allied with Israel, the Muslim Middle East became the target of opportunity.

Muslims are sufficiently different from Westerners that Muslims are easy to demonize.
The demonization began in the neoconservative publications. Once Dick Cheney had the George W. Bush regime staffed with neoconservatives, the next step was to create “threats” to Americans out of verbiage about the Taliban’s responsibility for 9/11 and about “Iraqi weapons of mass destruction,” including verbal images from Bush’s National Security Advisor of “mushroom clouds” over US cities.

No one in the US government or the “free” US media or the media of the US puppet states in England, Europe, Japan, Taiwan, Canada, Australia and South Korea was struck by Washington’s proposition that “the world’s sole superpower” was threatened by the likes of Iraq and Iran, neither of which had any offensive military capability or any modern weapons, according to the unequivocal reports of the weapons inspectors.

What kind of “superpower” is threatened by Iraq and Iran? Certainly, not a real one.

No one seemed to notice that the alleged 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabians, not Afghans or Iraqis, yet it was Afghanistan and Iraq that were labeled “terrorist threats.” Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, which do terrorize their subjects, are safe from having America bring them democracy, because they are Washington’s puppets, not independent countries.

As fear of nonentities swept over the population of “the world’s sole superpower,” the demands for war against “America’s enemies” – ”you are with us or against us” – swept through the country. “Support the troops” plastic ribbons appeared on American cars. Americans went into a frenzy. The “towel heads” were after us, and we had to fight for our lives or be murdered in our beds, shopping centers, and airliner seats.

It was all a hoax to replace the Soviet threat with the Muslim threat.

The utter stupidity of the ignorant, naive, gullible, “buy 2 get 1 free” American sheeple is spectacularly mind-numbing.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:20 pm

jk,

You are a joke.

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:20 pm

He didn’t do anything I don’t see others doing on a weekly basis.

Are you sure, oh medaled one? Sometimes you are right up there with Sinkwich when it comes to foot in mouth disease.

Of course your going to tell us George W Bush is the only person in the history of the military to do that…

This OBL killing anniversary has driven you boys to even more berserk and laughable depths than usual…

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:21 pm

godless- he likes good music and is a baseball fan

Cardinals are up 7-1 in case you didn’t know. Just waiting to whoop some Brave a$$ next week.

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:21 pm

Recon

I do not need nor have I asked for your credibility nod

However I shot that story right out of the saddle with Oneil’s own comment to President Nixon

And regardless of your service, you were not in Kerry’s unit?

Correct?

So you take up his medals with the Sec of the Navy who stated that all medals were earned and went through proper channels

Call him I liar if you like? that is your choice

I have no credibility because I didn’t read the book of a liar

bwhahahahahahahha

Keep them coming Recon……………

thanks for the comedy show

fair and balanced

May 2nd, 2012
9:22 pm

“”Is good news about Obamacare allowed on this blog? If so, all you Obozo haters chew on this:
More than 3 million health insurance policyholders and thousands of employers will share $1.3 billion in rebates this year, thanks to President Barack Obama’s health care law, a nonpartisan research group said Thursday.The rebates should average $127 for the people who get them, and Democrats are hoping they’ll send an election-year message that Obama’s much-criticized health care overhaul is starting to pay dividends for consumers. Critics of the law call that wishful thinking.”"

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/04/27/rebates-from-obamacare-to-top-1-billion-report/

The last sentence obviously refers to your buddy KYLE, his phony WSJ government economists, Seanne, Anne, Rush and other Obama haters.

Recon 0311 2533

May 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

Sure all/wet we know what a hard charger you are on the blog. Off the blog I’ll bet you’re afraid to walk down your street in broad day light. Anyone who rants like a psychopath all day long non-stop about a previous president has got to be a sorry candy azz.

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

O’Neill on ABC’s This Week With George Stephanopoulos: How do I know he’s [Kerry] not in Cambodia? I was on the same river, George. I was there two months after him. Our patrol area ran to Sedek, it was 50 miles from Cambodia. There isn’t any watery border. The Mekong River’s like the Mississippi. There were gunboats stationed right up there to stop people from coming. And our boats didn’t go north of, only slightly north of Sedek. So it was a made-up story. [8/22]

O’NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O’NEILL: Yes, sir.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

getalife- jk, You are a joke.

Translation: I got nothin’

owned, set, match.

godless heathen

May 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

“I swear these cons wish that OBL was still alive…”

You mean like the libbies lamenting the demise of Saddamn Hussein? Oh, Iraq was stable, Iraq was nothing to worry about, Hussein didn’t support terrorists, blah, blah, blah.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

The gop want to cut food stamps for mic welfare.

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:25 pm

hahahahahahaha

COLMES: You claimed at one point you weren’t [in Cambodia], and then you claimed you were. This is very confusing to people.

O’NEILL: Well, it shouldn’t be confused. I was never in Cambodia, and Kerry lied when he said he was in Cambodia.

COLMES: You said to Richard Nixon you were in Cambodia.

O’NEILL: And it was the turning point of his life.

COLMES: You said to Richard Nixon, “I was in Cambodia, sir.”

HANNITY: On the border.

COLMES: There’s a tape of you saying that to Richard Nixon.

O’NEILL: What’s the next sentence? I was along the Cambodian border. That’s exactly right. What I told Nixon and was trying to tell him in this meeting was I was along the Cambodian border. As Sean clearly read …

COLMES: “I was in Cambodia” — those are your words.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:25 pm

The reason why Hillary put her hand to her mouth in that photo was the helicopter just crashed.

Josef

May 2nd, 2012
9:26 pm

Scout

I should have said a closet radical Muslim… :-)

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:26 pm

scout- Col. David Hackworth:

“About Face” is an awesome book.

TaxPayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:26 pm

So this is how some ex-military show their respect for other ex-military, right before they demand respect from others. :lol: Meanwhile, Saxby and GOP company continue to work toward their goal of cutting healthcare and retirement benefits for veterans while the right wingers on here do what? Tell us all about how ex-military that show up at an OWS gathering don’t deserve their respect. :roll:

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:27 pm

“Anyone who rants like a psychopath all day long non-stop about a previous president has got to be a sorry candy azz.”

Sounds like some babies here regarding the current President

Just have to look in the mirror sometimes

godless heathen

May 2nd, 2012
9:29 pm

“The rebates should average $127 for the people who get them, and Democrats are hoping they’ll send an election-year message that Obama’s much-criticized health care overhaul is starting to pay dividends for consumers”

Is that like the rebate I get from State Farm on my auto insurance. They raise my rate by 40 bucks and at the end of the year give me a $20 rebate. I’d like to meet the person that pays less for health insurance this year because of ObamaCare.

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:29 pm

Ooooo!

Not the dreaded candyazz insult!

What next?

Something about crapping in one hand or some other hayseed saying?

This is the third time in the past few months that you have screwed with me, boy.

In every case it was a completely unprovoked personal insult, as I had never said boo to you.

As a courtesy from one vet to another, I let the first two slide.

But being a tough on crime guy, this is three strikes and you’re out.

So this time you’re gonna get a taste of your own medicine, Deli meat.

Now drop and give me…………… three or four!

Recon 0311 2533

May 2nd, 2012
9:30 pm

TBS, seems to attempt to prove what he doesn’t know from his own readings but only the opinions of others. That’s kind of like having somebody else doing your sex for you.

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:30 pm

Everyone have a great night and an even better tomorrow

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:31 pm

jamvet- 2, the only medals you ever earned were for finishing seventh in that pine wood derby

Won my troop twice and finished second at council one year.

Currently have 14 ribbons on my rack not including devices or badges. Tell John he’s welcome to lick my core frams…

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:32 pm

Recon

Bless you heart

Those quotes are from the Nixon WH tapes and Oneils words

Nice try

And you know exactly what Kerry did because a proven liar wrote a book?

hahahahhhahah

Keep them coming

I’m out

peace

Recon 0311 2533

May 2nd, 2012
9:33 pm

All/Wet don’t let anything but your fear stop you, however, I don’t have the time or inclination to waste time with waste. Carry on lad.

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:34 pm

“Oh, Iraq was stable”

Relatively speaking yes. They obviously had no nuclear bomb program, though the Bush administration lied about that.

“Iraq was nothing to worry about”

No, they were a worry. Just a completely hamstrung one. Hell they couldn’t even fly their own planes over two thirds of their own country. Everything they were doing, we and others were watching like hawks.

“Hussein didn’t support terrorists.”

Are you referring to the worst VP in history saying they were in cahoots with AQ vis a vis some moronic lie about a meeting that never happened in eastern Europe?

Iraq is Arabic for Viet Nam.

Thanks, George and Dick.

godless heathen

May 2nd, 2012
9:34 pm

JLK2: “Cardinals are up 7-1 in case you didn’t know. Just waiting to whoop some Brave a$$ next week.”

How smart of the Cards to dump Pujos. Never going to hit another dinger.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:34 pm

jamvet- Are you sure, oh medaled one?

Since I work with some NG, yes I’m sure. Saw one this afternoon if you really want to know.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:34 pm

“I will stomp a mud hole in your candy azz” Thomas Jefferson.

They BOTH suck

May 2nd, 2012
9:35 pm

“I don’t have the time or inclination to waste time with waste.”

You must find it hard to live with yourself…………

Bless your heart

TaxPayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:36 pm

Chambliss, who serves on the Senate’s Armed Services Committee, made a similar point in an April 23 speech at the Atlanta Press Club.

“If I went around this room to every company represented here and I asked you what is the fastest-rising expense in your business over the last decade, I dare say 100 percent of you would say it’s health care costs,” Chambliss said. “And it’s exactly that way in the federal government, including TRICARE in the Department of Defense, which is taking away our ability to spend money on other quality-of-life issues and identify weapons systems to equip our men and women.”

You Republicans need to listen to Saxby. He’s lookin’ out for you. If you work for Lockheed, that is.

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:37 pm

2, anybody who continues to brag about their Cub Scout awards in a discussion of combat veterans is hopeless.

Cut and run, deli meat. Cut and run.

That is what you do best…

Soothsayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:38 pm

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

– H. L. Mencken ~1930

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:40 pm

taxpayer- Tell us all about how ex-military that show up at an OWS gathering don’t deserve their respect

They must be suffering from PTSD to hang out with those losers.

Funny how all those people we kick out of the military have a story about how they were screwed over…

Soothsayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:40 pm

godless heathen

May 2nd, 2012
9:43 pm

I hear they are going to have a special video tribute to Saddam Hussein at the Democratic Convention this year. After all, his inability to obtain nuclear weapons despite all his efforts, and his ability to hide his chemical weapons, got Obama into the White House.

TaxPayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:44 pm

JKL2 – It sounds like you’re delusional with your claims about kicking ex-military out of the military. They could be the ones that kicked you out and left you to play pretend soldier at Tea Party gatherings for all I know.

Recon 0311 2533

May 2nd, 2012
9:45 pm

Cut and run? whose running jack ass? I can walk confidently where and when I choose. I’ll bet you can’t do the same. I’m out but gratify yourself if that’s all you’ve got.

Soothsayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:45 pm

“Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.”

– Friedrich Nietzsche

Josef

May 2nd, 2012
9:48 pm

The butch hour in the geriatrics ward in here tonight!

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:48 pm

godless- How smart of the Cards to dump Pujols

It was a good move on his part moving to the AL for the longevity of becoming a DH. paying him the money they did was rediculous. A 42 year old making $28mil? Seriously?

I thought the $195 mil the Cardinals offered was a stretch. Love the guy, but not that much.

I will say I never like LaRussa so I don’t miss him at all. I do miss Dave Duncan as the pitching coach.

TaxPayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:48 pm

“Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.”

– Friedrich Nietzsche

Blogs are a very good illusion-supporting medium. It’s a place where you can go to be all that you can be, for example.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:49 pm

“Geronimo KIA” means obl just got double tapped.

TaxPayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:51 pm

And if the blogs do not manage to provide a satisfactory level of chest-puffing satisfaction, there’s always Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto…

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
9:52 pm

jamvet- 2, anybody who continues to brag about their Cub Scout awards in a discussion of combat veterans is hopeless

I guess my VFW status isn’t good enough for you. Sorry for volunteering lifelong service to our country. I guess I should have quit after four month like American hero John Kerry.

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:52 pm

I can walk confidently where and when I choose.

What a man.

My hero!

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

May 2nd, 2012
9:53 pm

TC: When the GOP really start talking about taking away gas subsidies, THEN I’ll know their serious about the budget. Until then, they’re just talking out the side of their necks.”
It is not either or, sweetie – all must be included. Sixteen trillion in debt – get it?
“The government had nothing to do with Detroit’s decline. ”
TC:
Do you really think I was only talking about Detroit? I could send you to any number of urban areas in America and you would see basically the same thing. Geez, you are something to behold. THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT SPENT THE MONEY WAS FOOLISH AT BEST.

I agree with you up to a certain point. LOCAL Government and STATE government are the ones who are responsible for cities and states; not the FEDS. No one is talking about the waste of the LOCAL / STATE government as they should be. Atlanta is talking about building a billionaire a dome for his millionaire employees while their streets are filled with potholes and they’re closing schools and laying off teachers.

A few months ago, Gingrich gave a speech about the decline of South Carolina (during their race to their primaries) and blamed OBAMA!! He somehow conveniently forgot that South Carolina’s GOVERNOR is responsible for welfare of the state, no the feds.

I think you are making that same assumption – it’s not the FEDERAL government’s fault that a CITY or STATE government official is squandering the taxes of populace.

JKL2: Spoken like the true koolaid drinking lib you are. Who is going to give the government that $1,000 check each month so they can send you that $320?

Just like a republicCon; can’t do simple math and add simple equations. ANYONE who has to live past ONE MONTH would take a check when they needed it. Only a fool, republicCon would only think about today and not plan for the future.

I guess you could call it “manna from heaven” but that would insult your firm belief in seperation of church and state.

No I’d call it common sense – something you obviously know nothing about…..

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 2nd, 2012
9:53 pm

Well, I been waiting and waiting for Bookman to step in on these hints that Del is Gay. I said to myself, So what if he wants a big hairy man instead of a soft, cuddly woman? I understand. There ain’t alot of Bessie Mae Boggesses out there, and Del knows that.

Anyhow, it’s time for me to hit the sack. Thursday always begins stocking up for the drunks fine folks on here that like to swap weird music Friday nights. Have a good night everybody. And don’t get down on people you suspect of being Gay. They could be giving you the once-over and maybe more times than that.

Paul

May 2nd, 2012
9:53 pm

Orange12 9:01

Like I said, in somebody’s dream.

Would you buy one of the most expensive cars ever proposed based on a spec sheet of what they say it’s supposed to do?

Soothsayer

May 2nd, 2012
9:54 pm

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:54 pm

It was the top secret stealth helicopter that crashed and it was not all destroyed.

The President called w and let him know he finished the job.

barking frog

May 2nd, 2012
9:57 pm

getalife
funny that about 2 years
ago on Tucker’s blog I
said we should hunt obl
down and shoot him in
the head bloggers there
were unappreciative. Not
so much now.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:57 pm

The President heard the crowd outside the WH chant USA before he announced getting obl.

They loved it.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

May 2nd, 2012
9:57 pm

Scout’s gone? who ran him off? I was waiting or im to answer my question………

“They ran a TV ad featuring the likenesses of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, while criticizing Cleland, a war vet and a triple amputee who SERVED his country and paid the price for it. Were you up in arms over that or does your indignation only extend to repuglicans?

Also, since I read your comments on Obama and the OBL killing, was it right for Chambliss to use OBL’s likeness AND to liken him to Clelland in a political ad/campaign? Think seriously about your comment to this one, I may have to go back to some of your posts if you try to rewrite your recent commentary history.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
9:59 pm

frog,

cons thought he was not worth it.

So did willard robme.

JamVet

May 2nd, 2012
9:59 pm

The VFW is now comparable to going up and down the Hap River in Viet Nam trying not to get a third eye ball in nightly firefights??

Man!

You combat veteran hating cons are a friggin’ trip!

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
10:00 pm

Seal team signed the flag they used on the mission and gave it to our President.

They did not want it be political like the gop made it.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:02 pm

taxpayer- They could be the ones that kicked you out and left you to play pretend soldier at Tea Party gatherings for all I know

Kicked out many privates as a Drill Sergeant. Duty wise, it was a few felons and drug users. I did get an LTC relieved for dereliction of duty. Never been to a Tea Party event so I couldn’t tell you what goes on there (except for when obama sent in cops with riot gear to move out grandma’s in lawn chairs a few years ago). You can tell they are terrorists by the way they were singing “God bless America” and the national anthem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/29/quincy-tea-party-protest_n_556367.html

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:05 pm

debbie- Only a fool, republicCon would only think about today and not plan for the future.

I guess the numbers confused you. Sorry I can’t post pictures for you to understand.

Where does the money come from?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 2nd, 2012
10:05 pm

JKL2 :

“About Face”

I read it and yes it was. He was “one of a kind”.

TaxPayer

May 2nd, 2012
10:06 pm

Never been to a Tea Party event so I couldn’t tell you what goes on there

‘Bout like your experience with OWS, I’m sure. I see from your link that no one got pepper-sprayed for peacefully demonstrating though.

TaxPayer

May 2nd, 2012
10:08 pm

Where does the money come from?

All the money spent on the military comes from us taxpayers. I thought everyone knew that.

Paul

May 2nd, 2012
10:08 pm

Hi DDR!!

How’s the Little Darling Princess doing?

Have you taught her to say “Auntie DDR walks on water!” ?

Paul

May 2nd, 2012
10:08 pm

Hi DDR!!

How’s the Little Darling Princess doing?

Have you taught her to say “Auntie DDR walks on water!” ?

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:09 pm

jamvet- The VFW is now comparable to going up and down the Hap River in Viet Nam trying not to get a third eye ball in nightly firefights??

Sorry. I guess I didn’t realize the enemy was shooting blanks at me the whole time. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:10 pm

getalife- They did not want it be political like the gop made it

Did I miss obama switching over to the Republicans again?

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
10:11 pm

Our military are the greatest socialism on this planet jk.

When that helicopter crashed, they never missed a beat because they trained on it actually happening for six months in the Nevada desert.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

May 2nd, 2012
10:12 pm

The money, oh stupid one, comes from the taxes that I PAID. Oh, that’s right! I forgot to you only rich people pay taxes!! Well, sorry to burst your bubble but they don’t. I’ve went to enough arbitration hearings for your rich betters who’ve tried to shaft uncle sam to know the truth about how much “taxes” they actually pay.

getalife

May 2nd, 2012
10:12 pm

“Did I miss obama switching over to the Republicans again?”

You ignore reality and give your corrupt party a free pass.

Spike the football and all that corporate media crap.

Paul

May 2nd, 2012
10:13 pm

All those extolling Col Hackworth: he advocated cutting military spending in HALF and referred to a large number of field grade and general officers as “Perfumed Princes.”

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:16 pm

taxpayer- I see from your link that no one got pepper-sprayed for peacefully demonstrating though.

I guess riot gear for grandma’s wasn’t enough for you?

Were you thinking about these peace-loving demonstrators? http://www.punditpress.com/2011/10/compilation-40-examples-of-ows-violence.html

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

May 2nd, 2012
10:17 pm

Hiya Paul – Since my real name is Leigh, she calls me Aunt Ree Ree! it’s so cute! You know my sister had a boy in December and since I’ve been keeping him a lot and taking him with her and I on our “trips”; she’s become quite jealous of the baby! She’s so cute!

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:21 pm

getalife- Our military are the greatest socialism on this planet jk. When that helicopter crashed, they never missed a beat because they trained on it actually happening for six months in the Nevada desert.

What does one have to do with the other?

In your case Demwits v. George W Bush, I thought you proved training for war is meaningless? Which is it?

obama and the Demwits are all about politicizing OBL’s killing. Why did you bring up the GOP?

Paul

May 2nd, 2012
10:21 pm

DDR

That is so neat. You’re going to have a great relationship thru the years.

Leigh. That is soooo classically exotic. Good psyop advantage in those business deliberations-

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:27 pm

debbie- The money, oh stupid one, comes from the taxes that I PAID

I guess you missed the whole conversation, so I’ll get you up to speed. The Red Cross overhead is like 4%. The government’s is like 68%.

If you needed money, would you rather get a check for $960 or $320? Quit telling me you want $320.

The Federal Government was never designed to be a charity. They need to quit wasting our money and get back to doing their job. All you are doing is hurting the people you claim you are trying to help.

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:30 pm

Paul- referred to a large number of field grade and general officers as “Perfumed Princes.”

Those would be the obama supporters you see on CNN and MSNBC…

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

May 2nd, 2012
10:30 pm

yeah it’s a trip to have a name like mine for sure. About a month ago I was in a meeting with a client, and you shoulda seen his face when I introduced myself. he was an older hispanic guy and he was like “thank god! i thought you’d be a some snot nosed white boy with more degrees than brains!”

I kinda like the fact that my mother didn’t name me Anita or Shaquita or something like that….that way I can sneak up on people! Trust me, I got a lot of interviews because of my name. when they saw my resume they couldn’t tell if i was black or white or male or female and had to take me on my merit not on any preconcieved notions of who they thought i may be.

Orange 12

May 2nd, 2012
10:30 pm

Paul@9:53

Wouldn’t you if your life depended on it?

/

JKL2

May 2nd, 2012
10:36 pm

Lance Lynn on to win number 5(up 12-1 in the 7th). Who would have thought the Cardinals would be killing everyone with Carpenter out and Wainwright at 1-3? If the bullpen hadn’t lost it, Lohse would be 5-0 too.