Gay spokesman for Romney resigns under outside pressure
Ah man. This is disappointing. I thought we might be past all this by now.
From Jennifer Rubin, conservative blogger at The Washington Post and generally a stalwart defender of Mitt Romney:
“Richard Grenell, the openly gay spokesman recently hired to sharpen the foreign policy message of Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, has resigned in the wake of a full-court press by anti-gay conservatives.
In a statement obtained by Right Turn, Grenell says:
“I have decided to resign from the Romney campaign as the Foreign Policy and National Security Spokesman. While I welcomed the challenge to confront President Obama’s foreign policy failures and weak leadership on the world stage, my ability to speak clearly and forcefully on the issues has been greatly diminished by the hyper-partisan discussion of personal issues that sometimes comes from a presidential campaign. I want to thank Governor Romney for his belief in me and my abilities and his clear message to me that being openly gay was a non-issue for him and his team.”
For examples of the criticism leveled at Romney by fellow conservatives for the Grenell hire, see Bryan Fischer at the American Family Association, Matthew J. Franck at National Review and the Family Research Council.
Grenell was not without controversy for reasons that extend beyond sexual orientation. Upon being hired by Romney, he had to go through his Twitter account and eliminate some pretty impolitic remarks made about various political figures, from Newt Gingrich to Hillary Clinton. It’s also important to note that members of Romney’s team reportedly urged Grenell to stay on board rather than resign.
But as Rubin describes it, “Grenell decided to resign after being kept under wraps during a time when national security issues, including the president’s ad concerning Osama bin Laden, had emerged front and center in the campaign.” The campaign was acting as though Grenell had become too hot to be allowed to do his job, so he left.
The incident recalls the example of Ken Mehlman, a gay Republican who served as George Bush’s 2004 campaign manager and as head of the Republican National Committee but who felt compelled to remain in the closet until 2010, when he left politics as a profession.
“The process of not being able to say who I am in public life was very difficult,” Mehlman said. “No one else knew this except me. My family didn’t know. My friends didn’t know. Anyone who watched me knew I was a guy who was clearly uncomfortable with the topic.”
It’s also worth noting that social conservative groups and several prominent conservative politicians refused to participate in the annual CPAC meeting in Washington in 2011 because GOProud, a gay conservative group, was allowed to become one of many co-sponsors of the event.
In 2012, after GOProud was publicly disinvited, the boycott ended and the groups returned.
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saywhat?
May 1st, 2012
4:48 pm
color me shocked.
not.
saywhat?
May 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
Lets hear more about “intolerant libs” wing nuts.
lovelyliz
May 1st, 2012
4:53 pm
But the Republicans don’t hate gays or women. Just ask them
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
But…but…but…Obama….
Thought I’d get that out of the way early.
josef
May 1st, 2012
4:55 pm
Oh, my! But, hell, what do f*ggots know about foreign policy anyway, eh? And before the libs get all wound up, remember it was G-dubyah who appointed the first openly gay ambassador to represent our republic abroad and our current president continues to pour money into the coffers of some of the most repressively anti-gay regimes on the planet…there’s plenty of praise and blame to go around…
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
4:59 pm
You guys might find some “balance” in this story:
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/anti-bullying-speaker-curses-mocks-christian-teens.html
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 1st, 2012
5:00 pm
Jay sure is loquacious today !
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
Given the propensity for members of the homosexual community to engage in frequent and anonymous sexual encounters, the risk to national security of having a homosexual in a high-ranking position with access to secret information is obvious.
How does Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association know about homosexual propensity?
Inquiring minds and all that.
M
May 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
Yes, Towncrier…let’s not forget about the poor persecuted Christians. Why, in this country, they’re not even allowed to become every President in recent and extended memory.
JKL2
May 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
I gues it’s better to get out now before all those peace-loving Democrats start to really tear the man apart.
Best wishes.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
So I take it Grenell wasn’t closeted, as Mehlman was?
Jay
May 1st, 2012
5:07 pm
Crier, if things went down as described — and given what I know about Dan Savage, they might have — then of course he went way overboard. The cure for bullying is not more bullying.
But I’m bothered by your suggestion that this is somehow “balance.” Each of these things is wrong in its own right; one really has nothing to do with the other, and using them to “balance” each other seems as if it’s an attempt to drain both of them of their poison.
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
“Yes, Towncrier…let’s not forget about the poor persecuted Christians. Why, in this country, they’re not even allowed to become every President in recent and extended memory.”
Answer me this, M: was it appropriate for a speaker talking about bullying to himself “bully” people he dislikes, especially when addressing high school students? Before you answer, I should tell you that this same man exclaimed (on the Bill Maher show I think) that he wished all expletive GOP members were dead. Nuts…did I give away the answer? I guess the question is: what is proper tolerance for others?
saywhat?
May 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
Yes, Towncrier…let’s not forget about the poor persecuted Christians. Why, in this country, they’re not even allowed to become every President in recent and extended memory……
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…..let alone work for one, or be shoved in large numbers down the throat of the Justice Department after graduating from a bottom tier conservative christian law school by the adminstration that shall not be named. Its just scandalous how they suffer.
Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
I left you a note below josef. Answer it or not. Last chance lol.
M
May 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
Crier, of course bullying is bad no matter who’s doing it. But it isn’t balance.
It’s BSABSVR false-equivalence nonsense.
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:14 pm
“But I’m bothered by your suggestion that this is somehow “balance.” Each of these things is wrong in its own right; one really has nothing to do with the other, and using them to “balance” each other seems as if it’s an attempt to drain both of them of their poison.”
By “balance”, Jay, I meant (and mean) equal coverage. Of course both are wrong but I would not agree that they have nothing to do with each other. They are, rather, flip sides of the same coin. And looking at both should hopefully lead us to a discussion of what is proper tolerance for others? Do we only not tolerate the words or actions of others when they are illegal (as in we should not tolerate a man raping a woman in plain sight) or is there more? How about when an adult uses foul or inappropriate language around children – is that illegal? THIS is the discussion we need to have, because I think tolerance goes to morals a lot of times.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
But…but…but…Bill Maher….
Union
May 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
Jay
May 1st, 2012
5:07 pm
“But I’m bothered by your suggestion that this is somehow “balance.” Each of these things is wrong in its own right; one really has nothing to do with the other, and using them to “balance” each other seems as if it’s an attempt to drain both of them of their poison.”
things seem to go to extremes all the time around here.. its a one up of who is worse.. dems or repubs.. they all suck..
so what do we do? it all comes down to money..
Jay
May 1st, 2012
5:17 pm
I agree that they’re two sides of the same coin, Crier. And as I said, what Savage apparently said was wildly inappropriate and yes, intolerant.
josef
May 1st, 2012
5:17 pm
Fred
I did….
K’chak
Given that there are only 24 hours in a day and gay folks and straight folks both go for gettin nookie full tilt boogie…I can gay folks show a greater propensity…greater success maybe,,,
M
May 1st, 2012
5:18 pm
While I’m not saying what Savage did is right, I’m definitely saying I understand. To think that homosexuals might have some latent hostility to a group that won’t let them be humans!
Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
5:19 pm
LOL josef, our timing was bad. Left you one more that needs no reply if you want to read it.
Thomas
May 1st, 2012
5:19 pm
Gay spokesman for Romney resigns under outside pressure
nonsensical- Bookman, would you ever feel compelled to resign under outside pressure? Kind of like me calling the AJC to have you fired.
in the words of Granny/C. Tucker- piffle
Sean Smith
May 1st, 2012
5:20 pm
Jay, its sexual orientation not preference (even for gay republicans). I didn’t wake up one day and decide to be gay. Do we have to check your liberal card???
Joe Hussein Mama
May 1st, 2012
5:22 pm
S. Smith — ” I didn’t wake up one day and decide to be gay.”
That’s right. The Gay Mafia came to your house in the middle of the night and forcibly converted you, right?
At least, that’s the sort of thing the reparative therapy wingnuts would probably like for folks to think.
Jay
May 1st, 2012
5:23 pm
I knew there was something off about that as I was writing it, Sean.
Will fix, thanks.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 1st, 2012
5:26 pm
Did Edwards wake up one day and decide to be an adulterer ?
Or was he just born that way ?
ty webb
May 1st, 2012
5:26 pm
Good grief…Personal liberty is an absolute anathema to these so called “family values” groups. They are neither conservative nor freedom loving. To hell with ‘em.
Generation$crewed
May 1st, 2012
5:27 pm
M
May 1st, 2012
5:18 pm
Some christians do not have an opinion good or bad about homosexuals as a group, they view them as people simple as that.
So I’m calling BS that a group won’t let them exist, certain christians call for that but not all.
That would be like saying homosexuals as a group are opposed christianity, just because some are. Eventhough some people are christian and homosexual.
Shocking I know
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 1st, 2012
5:27 pm
I didn’t wake up one day and decide to be gay.
No, it’s about which side of the bed you get out of of each morning.
ragnar danneskjold
May 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
My guess is that Grenell’s role in the administration is not foreclosed, just not to be visible in the campaign. Gives Obama one less potshot to take at the Romney campaign.
Soothsayer
May 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
Well, I guess the Republicans can kiss the gay vote good-bye! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. (My best Curly.)
M
May 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
Unfortunately, Generation, Christian leaders are the loud ones and the ones who set policy. Are there good Christians? Sure. But there are plenty more who loudly and proudly renounce the teachings of the very person they purport to worship.
Doggone/GA
May 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
“But there are plenty more who loudly and proudly renounce the teachings of the very person they purport to worship.”
The problem is they can worship…but not follow.
paulo 977
May 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
While I welcomed the challenge to confront President Obama’s foreign policy failures and weak leadership on the world stage…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He had to resign !!
M
May 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
Jesus wouldn’t make it through a GOP primary, that’s for sure.
josef
May 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
Scout
Don’t get me started! I’ve only recently tried to forgive you your past transgressions…
FRED
Got it…
ZamVet
Thanks for over there…
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
Soothsayer
May 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
Well, I guess the Republicans can kiss the gay vote good-bye! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. (My best Curly.)
It was already kissed goodbye douchetaster!
Union
May 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
anyone here seen “Shame”?
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
“While I’m not saying what Savage did is right, I’m definitely saying I understand. To think that homosexuals might have some latent hostility to a group that won’t let them be humans!”
I am sorry for the hatred you have felt from so-called or nominal Christians, M. The truth is that almost any sort of bad or evil behavior is justified for any and all sorts of reasons (including religious ones). The Bible does, in fact, condemn homosexuality. But it condemns all sorts of behavior, including murder (as opposed to killing for justifiable reasons), lying, theft, adultery and the like. Homosexuality is not singled as as the unpardonable or some kind of special sin. It is religious hypocrites who make it so. I am convinced that Jesus would not have hate you or any other gay person. He would have told you what you are doing is wrong, but he would not have condemned you here on earth for it (consider the woman caught in adultery). He said that the world hates him because he testifies that what it does it wrong; he did not gather infidels together to torture them in a kind of inquisition. Don’t confuse “Christians” with Christianity.
josef
May 1st, 2012
5:32 pm
Just an observation, but it’s always kind of interesting to hear yourself being talked about in the third person…
Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 1st, 2012
5:26 pm
Did Edwards wake up one day and decide to be an adulterer ?
Or was he just born that way ?
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I think he was born that way. How can you teach someone to have morals and a backbone? It never occurs to me to go screw around on my wife regardless HOW bad our marriage is. I made an promise and I keep it, unlike the Baptist “Promise Keepers.”
M
May 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
BTW, I’m straight.
saywhat?
May 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
From the link that Kamchak provided-
“If the Secret Service scandal teaches us one thing, it is this: a man’s private sexual conduct matters when we’re talking about public office.
Given the propensity for members of the homosexual community to engage in frequent and anonymous sexual encounters, the risk to national security of having a homosexual in a high-ranking position with access to secret information is obvious.”
_______________________________________________________________
Wierd. It seems that from those two statements, the more obvious risk would be putting a heterosexual male in a high-ranking position with access to secret information. I don’t seem to recall any male prostitutes being mentioned in the Secret Service scandal.
JamVet
May 1st, 2012
5:35 pm
It is difficult to believe that such systemic and widespread, irrational hatred and bigotry, left over from a bygone era, could ever exist to this extent, in a group that calls itself the Big Tent Party, huh?
Though no sane entity on the planet calls it that.
jonix, thanks much for the heads up over yonder.
Soothsayer
May 1st, 2012
5:35 pm
“It was already kissed goodbye douchetaster!”
You know, Fresh Prince, I’ve actually tasted douche. It reminded me of a Summer’s Eve!
Just a hint of floral with a “clean” finish! Loved it!
Midori
May 1st, 2012
5:35 pm
But the Republicans don’t hate gays or women. Just ask them
Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
5:36 pm
Union
May 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
anyone here seen “Shame”?
++++++++++++++++++++++++
This “Shame?” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1723811/
Nope. Is it worth watching (if it’s hat you are talking about).
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 1st, 2012
5:36 pm
Generation$crewed
May 1st, 2012
5:27 pm
M
May 1st, 2012
5:18 pm
Some christians do not have an opinion good or bad about homosexuals as a group, they view them as people simple as that.
So I’m calling BS that a group won’t let them exist, certain christians call for that but not all.
That would be like saying homosexuals as a group are opposed christianity, just because some are. Eventhough some people are christian and homosexual.
Shocking I know
I hope Jesus is really the answer, because from what I read in the bible, God nuked Sodom and Gomorrah for that very behavior.
Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
M
May 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
BTW, I’m straight.
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So? Who cares lol?
Generation$crewed
May 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
M
May 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
And he would make it thru a dem primary? Think there may be issues at odds with the base there too??
Maybe he could run as an indie… But its the american political system so nah.
Wow what a sad state it has became if Jesus couldn’t win an election!
M
May 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
That God jokester! Punishing all the gay babies he keeps creating.
Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
Soothsayer
May 1st, 2012
5:35 pm
“It was already kissed goodbye douchetaster!”
You know, Fresh Prince, I’ve actually tasted douche. It reminded me of a Summer’s Eve!
Just a hint of floral with a “clean” finish! Loved it!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Freaking Hilarious. Thanks Sooth.
M
May 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
Fred, Crier said I was gay, so I just said I was straight. And no, it doesn’t matter one way or the other. But thanks for chiming in.
JamVet
May 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
It has been my extensive experience, that both on this blog and out there in the rest of the alternate Republican universe, those who portray themselves as the most pious and who quote the Bible the most are generally the most bigoted, the most vile and the most racist.
Selah…
They BOTH suck
May 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
Scout @ 5:26
There are plenty adulterers on both sides, maybe you can get them all in a room and do a survey…….
M
May 1st, 2012
5:40 pm
Well, since Jesus was for rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, universal free healthcare, and punishing the money-changers, I’d say he comes closer to the Democratic primary than the GOP. But I’m also guessing he wouldn’t give two poops about either.
Soothsayer
May 1st, 2012
5:41 pm
Well, somebody help me out here. Did the World come to an end today? All my Fright-Wing friends? (yea, I know — can you believe it?) have been predicting Armageddon today. Did I miss it?
Doggone/GA
May 1st, 2012
5:41 pm
“I hope Jesus is really the answer, because from what I read in the bible, God nuked Sodom and Gomorrah for that very behavior”
Probably one of, if the THE, most misinterpreted incident in the Bible. Go back and read it sometime. It was for violating the society’s traditions of HOSPITALITY that cause that destruction…not homosexuality.
Lot says so explilcitly: “But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.””
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 1st, 2012
5:41 pm
Well, it’s bad enough we got a non-Christian Mormon running as a Republican for President. It’s just going too danged far to have a sinful Gay advising him on a bunch of stuff. We can’t have that. And he ain’t even Southren Baptist!
I would say more but I don’t want to set josef off on me again. He takes up big-time for rednecks but when I’m on here he calls me every name in the book. In Indian.
Come to think of it, josef says he skips over my posts.
So GFY, josef—good for you!
Have a good night everybody.
Union
May 1st, 2012
5:42 pm
Fred.. thats the one.. and it is.. pretty intense.. thought it was excellent.. but not for the timid people that live in glass houses that think life is all roses and teddy bears..
josef
May 1st, 2012
5:43 pm
M
“BTW, I’m straight”
Why do you find it necessary to say that? Seriously and not snarky.
ZamVet
Welcome. ME’s there…remind me I’m supposed to be a gentleman!
FRED
Yep. Been in a 35+ year relationship “forsaking all others…” myself. And, no, we’re not exceptional homosexuals. From what I’ve seen, we’re exceptional homo sapiens…
M
May 1st, 2012
5:44 pm
josef, see my 5:38.
Union
May 1st, 2012
5:44 pm
M
May 1st, 2012
5:40 pm
Well, since Jesus was for rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, universal free healthcare, and punishing the money-changers, I’d say he comes closer to the Democratic primary than the GOP. But I’m also guessing he wouldn’t give two poops about either.
that was a coffee spewer.. thanks.. i needed that..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 1st, 2012
5:44 pm
Did the World come to an end today?
Yes.
The wifi in purgatory is just AWESOME!
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
“Jay, its sexual orientation not preference (even for gay republicans). I didn’t wake up one day and decide to be gay. ”
I disagree. I understand Some people actually wind up experimenting with homosexuality and then become gay. I myself am not gay, but I guess should be so given that I was sexually molested as a young child by an adult male. I do not believe homosexuality is genetic anymore than racism is. I subscribe to the theory of imprinting. That is the only way I can explain why I did not become gay. Before I was molested, I had an somewhat erotic experience a year earlier with a pretty blond girl four years my senior who was playing around with me. I was imprinted at that point and have never had homosexual urges my entire life. These imprinting experiences are NOT the fault of the child and they can be VERY hard to overcome. And they are not always remembered (just as sexual abuse is not always recalled). They can be overcome, nonetheless. I know a number of people who have done so (and are married with children). Is it fair to be imprinted as a homosexual? No. But life is rarely fair, sad to say. It is full of evil and hatred.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
JamVet
May 1st, 2012
5:35 pm
It is difficult to believe that such systemic and widespread, irrational hatred and bigotry, left over from a bygone era, could ever exist to this extent, in a group that calls itself the Big Tent Party, huh?
Left over from a bygone era?? Crack a history book. People do not integrate and assimilate readily. African Americans have been here for how long, many with a chip on their shoulder. Jews have a large portion of middle east haters wanting to kill them, and they were dropped there by the League of Nations. Muslim factions hate believers of other sects. North Korea and South Korea. IRA and protestants. Germans and Jews. The different factions of humanity will not change their feeling of hate for other groups without genocide of those who hate.
Tundra Dude
May 1st, 2012
5:46 pm
he had to go through his Twitter account and eliminate some pretty impolitic remarks made about various political figures,
Inquiring Minds want to know;
exactly what were these “impolitic remarks”….??
ps: Let’s hear from the Bible Thumpers….I’m sure there’s something in there about them sinner homersexualites.
Union
May 1st, 2012
5:46 pm
this sucks….
http://averycan.blogspot.com/
Soothsayer
May 1st, 2012
5:47 pm
Redneck: I think a big ol’ bag o’ pork “rinds” and a ice-cold “suitcase” ought to help you nurse your hurt feelings.
Anyhow, here’s a photo of your girlfriend to help you get through your “emotional distress.”
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 1st, 2012
5:48 pm
JamVet
May 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
It has been my extensive experience, that both on this blog and out there in the rest of the alternate Republican universe, those who portray themselves as the most pious and who quote the Bible the most are generally the most bigoted, the most vile and the most racist.
Selah…
Opinions are like… you know, and only your lib buddies appreciate your name calling in every post.
Here’s mine, the only good lib is a dead one!
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
“Probably one of, if the THE, most misinterpreted incident in the Bible. Go back and read it sometime. It was for violating the society’s traditions of HOSPITALITY that cause that destruction…not homosexuality.”
I believe it was for neither, specifically. I believe instead that things were so bad there generally that it was even commonplace for them to want to rape another man’s quests. That account is indicative of how depraved everyone was. God did tell Abraham that he would spare the entire city if but ten righteous people could be found therein.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
Fred & josef:
Were all sinners.
I have had my problems in life but I refrain from trying to justify it, promote it, or establish it as some kind of “exemption” that God should ignore.
I simply ask for His forgiveness and try to do better.
Union
May 1st, 2012
5:50 pm
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
“They can be overcome, nonetheless. I know a number of people who have done so (and are married with children)”
i know lefties that were made to be righties.. (speaking about actual hands.. not politics) while they were able to function as a rightie.. they had various issues.. when they went back to be their natural left handed selves.. life was better and less stressful for them..
josef
May 1st, 2012
5:50 pm
M
Understood. Yet, why do you feel he needs be corrected? Again, don’t get me wrong, I often find myself having to do the same thing when I get called a closet conservative, a fundamentalist Christian, among other things…
Doggone
You beat me to it!
Doggone/GA
May 1st, 2012
5:51 pm
“God did tell Abraham that he would spare the entire city if but ten righteous people could be found therein”
Somebody needs a refresher course in Genesis. Lot, not Abraham. And it would appear from your opinion that Lot was just as bad. After all, he did offer his daughters to the crowd instead of his guests.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 1st, 2012
5:52 pm
I was imprinted by Raquel Welch, Sophia Loren and Gina Lollobrigida.
I also have won the last fifteen races at Le Mans.
M
May 1st, 2012
5:52 pm
josef,
Just reflex, I guess.
They BOTH suck
May 1st, 2012
5:52 pm
Fresh Prince
You do not like JamVets’ name calling………… Good point
But you seem to be ok with pushing the racial envelope a decent amount….
Is that ok? Go back an read your posts here and on Wingfield’s post and state with honesty that is not what you do
Maybe you think that is not what you are doing, but that is what you are doing…………
Just saying
M
May 1st, 2012
5:54 pm
Doggone,
And then Lot impregnated his daughters.
Although, to be fair, he WAS drunk.
They BOTH suck
May 1st, 2012
5:54 pm
“Wingfield’s blog……..”
excuse me
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:54 pm
“Somebody needs a refresher course in Genesis. Lot, not Abraham. And it would appear from your opinion that Lot was just as bad. After all, he did offer his daughters to the crowd instead of his guests.”
Pride come before a fall:
Genesis 18:32 (ESV)
Then he [Abraham] said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.
godless heathen
May 1st, 2012
5:54 pm
Significant points in Jay’s post that went right over the heads of most of you because you are so quick to jump in with your GOP bashing:
(1)
Criticism by _some_ conservatives, as opposed to _all_ Republicans. When you affix the feelings of some Conservative kooks to all Republicans, you are displaying bigotry.
(2)
“It’s also important to note that members of Romney’s team reportedly urged Grenell to stay on board rather than resign.”
And Romney hired the guy in the first place.
Soothsayer
May 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
Fresh Prince: it seems to me (and probably to most of the other bloggers here) that you have some serious anger issues you need to address.
In many ways, you remind me of good ol’ Little Davy Crybaby — not a lot to say, lots of anger, and insulting the other posters who disagree with you.
I’d say that just about sums it up!
Hey! You may not realize this, but there’s another blog here at the AJC where people like yourself “feel right at home.” It’s called Wingnut’s Blog. You should try it sometime. Along with some counseling.
Doggone/GA
May 1st, 2012
5:56 pm
“You beat me to it!”
Josef – most people today, especially in “advanced” civilizations like ours have no conception of the depth of depravity that a lack of hospitality meant to subsistance desert dwellers back then. And, in fact, even into today.
To be inhospitable in that environment meant almost certain death to the person turned away. It’s somewhat like the Old West, where stealing a man’s horse was a hanging offence – because you were condemning him to death without the means to get to water.
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
“And it would appear from your opinion that Lot was just as bad. After all, he did offer his daughters to the crowd instead of his guests.”
If Lot were as bad, I don’t believe he would have been spared either. But I do not think he was quite as righteous as Abraham.
josef
May 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
Du-k-sha-nee,
Ga -o-nu-he-dv A-da-tso-tse-s-di-s-gi…
Ta-yi, a-tsu-tsa u-s-di! Ni-hi a-ya u-de-ya-to-di !!
Doggone/GA
May 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
“Although, to be fair, he WAS drunk”
Yes, but don’t forget…it was his daughters who got him drunk and intiated the whole thing.
rightwing troll
May 1st, 2012
5:58 pm
I love gay people… gay people are a blast… the more gay they are, all the more fun they seem to be.
carlosgvv
May 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
What would you expect from people who follow moral orders from a book, even though no one has the slightest idea who authored it. Following selected moral precepts from the Old and New Testament with no knowledge of who actually wrote it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in the judgment of people who want to lead our nation.
They BOTH suck
May 1st, 2012
6:00 pm
godless
Great points……….. seems that the generalities go on daily here……. both sides….. no one has cornered the market
JTS
May 1st, 2012
6:00 pm
Rubin reported that Grenell, who is openly gay, made his decision “after being kept under wraps” at a time when national security issues had risen to the forefront of the campaign and after activists on the right raised questions about his sexual orientation.
But, in an interview with ABC News, a source familiar with Grenell’s departure from the Romney campaign disputed the “under wraps” suggestion.
This source said Grenell, whose hiring was first reported on April 19, had not yet started his duties as the campaign’s top national security spokesman and was in the process of moving from Los Angeles to Boston.
Tuesday would have been his first actual day on the job.
“He wasn’t under wraps; he wasn’t a spokesperson yet,” according to the individual with knowledge of Grenell’s hiring and resignation. “If he had wanted to, he would be a spokesman right now.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/richard-grenell-openly-gay-romney-spokesman-resigns-from-post/
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I’ll wait to hear what Grenell has to say. I’m not interested in what the other three had to say.
Doggone/GA
May 1st, 2012
6:00 pm
“Pride come before a fall:”
I don’t know what version of the Bible YOU read, but MINE says this:
“6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
We’re not talking about Abraham and his intersession…we’re talking about LOT and his attempts to defend the hospitality of his home, and the men with whom he shared bread and salt.
JamVet
May 1st, 2012
6:00 pm
African Americans have been here for how long, many with a chip on their shoulder.
Please get your GOP talking points straight. The preferred term is uppity. (But for gawdsakes, don’t mention that to Lynn Westmoreland. LOL!)
And wake up and forget about us Jews. How many more decades and elections before you fake conservative finally get the hint?
We are never going to vote for the party of quasi-fascists…
They BOTH suck
May 1st, 2012
6:01 pm
“the more gay they are, all the more fun they seem to be.”
Is there a gay scale that determines how gay one is or isn’t?
rightwing troll
May 1st, 2012
6:02 pm
I believe there certainly is. Maybe Josef can chime in and confirm that for us?
barking frog
May 1st, 2012
6:02 pm
doggone
were the people not more
hospitable than lot? they
offered sex to the visitors
but he did not.
barking frog
May 1st, 2012
6:03 pm
Enter your comments here
Towncrier
May 1st, 2012
6:03 pm
“What would you expect from people who follow moral orders from a book, even though no one has the slightest idea who authored it.”
Carlos, have you ever considered the Bible from the standpoint of literary and thematic consistency? It has many authors over many centuries? Can you point to another literary work (say Homer’s Odyssey) that has been developed with equal consistency over the years and from different authors?