At Georgia Legislature, a test of ethics

Charlie Harper, a conservative Republican writing at PeachPundit.com, raises an important parallel that I hadn’t remembered.

In the late ’90s, state Rep. Ralph David Abernathy III, son of the civil rights legend of the same name, ended up serving 13 months in state prison. As Harper notes:

“Abernathy was found guilty of five counts of theft by taking, five counts of false statement, five counts of violating his oath of office, two counts of forgery and one count of influencing a witness. According to a press release still found on the Georgia attorney general’s office website, ‘These charges involved submitting false expense reimbursement requests to the Georgia General Assembly, forging documents to substantiate the expenses, and subsequently receiving reimbursement money from the state of Georgia.’

That attorney Ggeneral was Thurbert Baker, also a Democrat. Abernathy was prosecuted by members of his own political party.”

On Wednesday, the Senate Rules Committee will meet to consider evidence that state Sen. Don Balfour, Republican chairman of the Senate Rules Committee and one of the most powerful people in the Legislature, has also filed repeated false claims for travel reimbursements and committee-related pay.

As Harper puts it:

“Meanwhile, the Republicans who used Ralph David Abernathy and Charles Walker as convenient whipping boys to gain power continue to pretend to see nothing wrong with the behavior or expense reimbursements of Don Balfour. It seems that if there is no investigation, no finding of ethical violation, no indictment, and no conviction then we as Republicans can continue to claim we are better than they were. We are not.”

Ethics reform and ethics enforcement is not and should not be a partisan issue. And while neither party is immune, it is the party that holds power that is more likely to be seduced and tempted, and also more likely to feel more or less immune by virtue of the authority that they wield.

It was the Democrats back then; it is the Republicans today. It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

– Jay Bookman

176 comments Add your comment

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
2:41 pm

Jay, has there been any evidence coming to light against Balfour?

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

May 1st, 2012
2:41 pm

I thought we already established they failed the test?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
2:42 pm

Meanwhile, the Republicans who used Ralph David Abernathy and Charles Walker as convenient whipping boys to gain power continue to pretend to see nothing wrong with the behavior or expense reimbursements of Don Balfour.

IOKIYAR

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

“It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person,”

Mitt Romney

“I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours…

Mitt Romney

“It was the right decision to go into Iraq. I supported it at the time; I support it now.”

Mitt Romney

“Well, if we knew at the time of our entry into Iraq that there were no weapons of mass destruction — if somehow we had been given that information, why, obviously we would not have gone in.”

Mitt Romney

Matti

May 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

Crony Corruption: Thy name is Georgia!

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

K’Chak, while I agree with you in spirit, I’d like to know the specifics about Balfour’s case.

It could be more clear-cut than Abernathy’s, or more murky, or about the same in terms of what evidence there is.

Brosephus™

May 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

On Wednesday, the Senate Rules Committee will meet to consider evidence that state Sen. Don Balfour, Republican chairman of the Senate Rules Committee and one of the most powerful people in the Legislature, has also filed repeated false claims for travel reimbursements and committee-related pay.

Not guilty by reason of party affiliation….

That’s my prediction.

Martin the Calvinist

May 1st, 2012
2:46 pm

Repubs should be leading the way with true ethics reform, but alas they are not. that sucks! dem’s should’ve has strong ethics reform when they had the power. they didn’t want to enact reform either. Yeah it was good they punished one guy way back then, didn’t motivate them to make ethics a priority. that sucks too!

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

May 1st, 2012
2:47 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
2:47 pm

M. Calvinist — “Repubs should be leading the way with true ethics reform, but alas they are not. that sucks!”

IIRC, Speaker Ralston talked a big game about ethics when he took up the gavel, but he sure hasn’t delivered on that.

Union

May 1st, 2012
2:50 pm

awww… were doing quotes…

‘Now, what we’ree doing, I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”
—Barack Obama, on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

”The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.”
—Barack Obama, in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

‘It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing.”
—Barack Obama, confusing German for ”Austrian,” a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

”The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.”
—Barack Obama, Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

”In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.”
—Barack Obama, on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

”I’ve now been in 57 states — I think one left to go.”
—Barack Obama, at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

my favorite… “Ok, look, you know, when I was a kid, I inhaled frequently. That was the point.”
thats when i realized i liked Mr Obama.. :p

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
2:53 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

From Jay’s provided link:

The mileage claim is significant because Balfour claims to have traveled to and from his Snellville home every one of these days, despite the fact that on some of these days he was not in the state. Even when in town, it is hard to explain why Balfour keeps a $2,100 per month condominium in Midtown Atlanta if he drives home to Snellville every day as his expense reports indicate. Georgia code 16-10-20 makes signing the false claim for any mileage reimbursement a felony. The same felony charge that sent Ralph David Abernathy to jail.

Evidently he was charging for miles everyday whether he drove from Snellville or not. Other evidence states that he charged mileage from Snellville to Atlanta when he wasn’t even in the State.

Union

May 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

joe.. mama.. looks pretty clear cut.. seems to be a little “something something” going on over there..

mr bookman is spot on with this one..

Jefferson

May 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

Romney will kill for profit, otherwise just bankrupt it and walk away with equity.

Jm

May 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

When u don’t have any ethics it is difficult to fail an ethics test

Brosephus™

May 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

IIRC, Speaker Ralston talked a big game about ethics when he took up the gavel, but he sure hasn’t delivered on that.

We’re more likely to see the Democratic Party retake control of the entire state before the GOP enacts the ethics reform that the majority of the residents of Georgia really wants to see enacted.

Just my opinion…

Jay

May 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

Yes, Joe. It has been well-documented that he repeatedly billed the state for traveling back and forth from his Snellville home to the Capitol on days when he wasn’t even in the state. We know that because he was listed as accepting lobbyist meals/hospitality in places like New Orleans, San Antonio, Orlando and Destin on those days.

Balfour has since repaid the state $800, but the real total may be quite a bit higher. Again, we only know about the false submissions because we accidentally happened to have lobbyist reports filed on those same days. Were there additional days for which he also filed for compensation, days in which we do not have lobbyist reports to contradict him?

The odds are pretty high that there were.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

Durrrrr . . . thanks for that, K’Chak. I didn’t even see the link and I scrolled right past it.

And now, an afternoon cuppa joe. For the awakeness, you understand.

Jefferson

May 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

GA has not changed anything for the better lately.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

Whatever people may say about 2012 Obama’s campaign slogan, to me it illustrates a longstanding problem with his administration – namely, he seems to have a lot of people working for him who are not circumspect or judicious. Given how some conservatives have played up his earlier Marxist or socialist leanings, one would not expect his campaign to employ a slogan that “…carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other leftwing newspapers and publications. For example, Vpered (Russian language for ‘Forward’) was the name of the publication that Lenin started after having resigned from the Iskra editorial board in 1905 after a clash with Georgi Plekhanov and the Mensheviks.” (from the Wikipedia). Do people now use the phrase “gay time” to advertise an upcoming (non-homosexual) celebration? Very odd, in my opinion.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

the Senate Rules Committee will meet to consider evidence that state Sen. Don Balfour, Republican chairman of the Senate Rules Committee

Prediction: they’ll be more interested in their own political hides if the evidence isn’t overwhelming. They’ll also move to keep the information from the public.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:00 pm

he seems to have a lot of people working for him who are not circumspect or judicious. Given how some conservatives have played up his earlier Marxist or socialist leanings, one would not expect his campaign to employ a slogan that “…carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology.

Or maybe — like the birth certificate nonsense — it’s really intended to get the crazy to respond and go overboard, because the crazy can’t help themselves. It’s working, too. I’ve seen this same nonsense on numerous blogs today and it just helps “out” the crazy for the rest of us to laugh at.

(ir)Rational

May 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

Kam & JHM – There is an easy explanation for the condo downtown. Can be explained in one word: Goomah.

arnold

May 1st, 2012
3:02 pm

The only method we have to correct the ethics in government is the vote. Other than the vote and demonstrating, I can’t think of an acceptable alternative. It’s the only way to “stand our ground”.

Martin the Calvinist

May 1st, 2012
3:02 pm

Joe, I agree, it frustrates me when politicians are really in politics for themselves not the people they represent. I think it’s a right wing and left wing problem……

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
3:02 pm

Crap, PeachPundit blocked for me. Guess I’ll have to read it when I get home.

Thanks to K’Chak, Union and Jay for shaking me awake. :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
3:04 pm

11 posts in on a thread about State politics and we get but…but…but…Obama.

Not a record, but worthy of note.

Then there’s the piling on about Marxism.

Predictable.

Geez….

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:04 pm

“Or maybe — like the birth certificate nonsense — it’s really intended to get the crazy to respond and go overboard, because the crazy can’t help themselves.”

Perhaps…but Obama used the same slogan just after taking the presidency to suggest optimism in view of the economy (and not for the reason you suggest). So I think you are wrong here.

“It’s working, too. I’ve seen this same nonsense on numerous blogs today and it just helps “out” the crazy for the rest of us to laugh at.”

I guess November will tell the tale. I think it is politically risky to use that slogan.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

I think it is politically risky to use that slogan.

I think it’s crazy to care about stupid stuff. You’re free to do that, of course. Just don’t expect the rest of the sane world to care about it.

ty webb

May 1st, 2012
3:09 pm

“11 posts in on a thread about State politics and we get but…but…but…Obama.”

and the Romney comment came even before that.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

and the Romney comment came even before that.

It’s why — as it gets closer to the election — I’ll end up dropping off the blogs to get away from the nonsense. For now, it’s a good way to take the temperature of the committed.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

“I think it’s crazy to care about stupid stuff. You’re free to do that, of course. Just don’t expect the rest of the sane world to care about it.”

Crazy or sane…is that how you categorize the voting public? Are people who have divergent views “crazy” to you – is that how you resolve the conflict, by name calling? I guess that will persuade some but not all that many.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

and the Romney comment came even before that.

Ah yes, the “but Timmy did it first” defense.

Doubling down on teh stoopid.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
3:13 pm

K’Chak — “11 posts in on a thread about State politics and we get but…but…but…Obama.”

“Then there’s the piling on about Marxism.”

It’s fascinating, isn’t it? They seem to communicate with each other solely via dog-whistle political phrases.

Fly-on-the-Wall

May 1st, 2012
3:14 pm

Corruption and deflection – the way of the Republican Party here in Georgia.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:14 pm

Are people who have divergent views “crazy” to you – is that how you resolve the conflict, by name calling?

No… people who make up nonsense and expect everyone to go along with them… that’s crazy. People who get all worked up over something without checking their facts: crazy.

Basically, those people are LOOKING for a reason to get worked up, even if the reason makes no sense. And that’s just crazy.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
3:16 pm

Towncrier — “Crazy or sane…is that how you categorize the voting public? Are people who have divergent views “crazy” to you – is that how you resolve the conflict, by name calling? I guess that will persuade some but not all that many.”

I switched parties for good in 2003, after voting Republican for over 20 years. And I’ve been called more names by conservatives in the last nine years than I was called by liberals in the 20-odd years prior to that.

If you’ve got an issue with political namecalling, then I suggest you call people out on it wherever and whenever you see it — not just when the other side does it.

Brosephus™

May 1st, 2012
3:16 pm

“11 posts in on a thread about State politics and we get but…but…but…Obama.”

and the Romney comment came even before that.

Some people simply refuse to acknowledge the proven bullsh*t at the end of their nose just to point out crap 5 miles away….

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:16 pm

Up date on the last thread about the Cleveland occturds. It has been confirmed by the Cleveland press today that all of these young men who wanted to blow up that bridge were present and participating in the Cleveland occuturd sit in. BOOM!!! That’s the Tampa Bay Convention center going up in flames. What does it take liberals?

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

May 1st, 2012
3:19 pm

“and the Romney comment came even before that.”

Yeah he didn’t call out anyone on that. Not surprising.

Thulsa Doom

May 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

Ethics? A lesson on ethics from the party of guys like Eric Holder, Jon Corzine, and more locally the corrupt Bill Campbell mayorship here in ATL,etc. Hilarious. They should line up guys like Marion Barry and Kwame Kilpatrick to give ethics lectures.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

For example, Vpered (Russian language for ‘Forward’) was the name of the publication that Lenin started after having resigned from the Iskra editorial board in 1905 after a clash with Georgi Plekhanov and the Mensheviks.” (from the Wikipedia).

Interesting that Wikipedia is about to delete the page as being unsourced and unreliable.

And do you happen to know the official state motto of Wisconsin?

:lol:

ty webb

May 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

“Doubling down on teh stoopid.”

nah, and I’m not defending it…just pointing it out…You seem to be rather accepting of at least half of it. Rah rah!

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

May 1st, 2012
3:21 pm

“Some people simply refuse to acknowledge the proven bullsh*t at the end of their nose just to point out crap 5 miles away….”

….and some people seem to think their crap doesn’t smell but everyone else’s does. Clean up your own act before you point fingers. It’s not that hard a concept.

Matti

May 1st, 2012
3:22 pm

Ask not whom your legislators represent: Unless you’ve got big money or make big noises, it isn’t you. As not whom your governor serves. It’s never been you. Today he put his signature on a big government intrusion into the medical profession here in Georgia. No, not restricting how much botox a quack can pump into your face on the promise of making you young again! (FYI: y’all look ridiculous.) No, no. He allowed lobbyists and untrained legislators to insert THEIR will into a doctor’s life and death decisions about his or her patient. That’s right! In Georgia, the biggest medical decisions are made by people who never went to medical school.

Intheholynameofsmallergoverment, amen. What a big rotting crock of pig shizt!

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:22 pm

Thulsa, 3:20,

Not to mention that stalwart VP candidate with the big hair and the illegitimate daughter. It appears however, that he is close to betting prison haircuts for the next few years.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
3:23 pm

K71 — “Up date on the last thread about the Cleveland occturds. It has been confirmed by the Cleveland press today that all of these young men who wanted to blow up that bridge were present and participating in the Cleveland occuturd sit in. BOOM!!! That’s the Tampa Bay Convention center going up in flames. What does it take liberals?”

Seems like it took some good investigative and police work to stop ‘em.

Oh, that wasn’t the answer you were looking for? Shrug.

Brosephus™

May 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

Clean up your own act before you point fingers. It’s not that hard a concept.

Was that directed at me personally???

Thulsa Doom

May 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

kayaker,

I knew I was leaving someone out. What a punk. Seems several of these Dem bigwigs got love kids- Edwards, the Reverand Jesse, etc. I think their ethics are comparable to that of a rat.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

“No… people who make up nonsense and expect everyone to go along with them… that’s crazy. People who get all worked up over something without checking their facts: crazy.”

Then by your own definition, you are crazy. If there were absolutely no evidentiary basis for Obama’s earlier socialistic leanings, then how did at least four books get published that talk about this? To argue that he did not, in fact, lean that way in college is to be willfully ignorant I would say. I don’t mind the name calling as much as I mind name calling to avoid an argument one might lose.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

“Ethics reform and ethics enforcement is not and should not be a partisan issue.”

Again, this is one of the very few (if only) things you and I can agree on.

Nail ‘em to the wall !

Thulsa Doom

May 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

occutards= terrorists.

Mr_B

May 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Yaker: I’d have to see the building plans to know for sure. but about 20kg of Semtex would probably be a fair start. :)

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Matti, 3:22,

Yeah, like all of those Harvard academics in Bozo’s administration that have never had an honest job or met a payroll, or started or run any kind of business, but who are laying down all the rules for business in this country. A President with no military background who is the commander in chief, a Treasury Secretary that owes money to the IRS, an Energy Secretary who doesn’t even own a car…… you mean that kind of experience?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

This is from way back !

“I have been looking for you. I hadn’t seen that post but you were correct on the facts of the account and I owe you an apology.

The “intell.” involved something else that in fact turned out to be wrong. However, at the time Colonel West did not know that and I still support he was acting in the best interest of his men based on what information he had.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

Was that directed at me personally???

No, SoCo/Bro.

That’s my leg he’s humping.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

Thulsa:

You are incorrect.

Occut*rds=Terrorists

Thulsa Doom

May 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

How about them mugs on the occutard terrorists. Might as well have just painted loser on their foreheads. All 5 are white. I’ld bet at least 2 of them come from upper middle class or above families and just have too much time on their hands.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

Rightwing Troll:

“I was unawares that Dan Rather engaged in a pattern of bribery, wiretapping, and cell phone hacking of dead children. Would you provide examples and details please?”

I suppose you have forgotten how he humiliated and disgraced what little journalistic ethics he had left by trying to introduce false documents to the American people just days before the Bush/Gore contest.

What a hypocrite !

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

mr_B, 3:28,

Vince Flynn’s Mitch Rapp could do it with less.

ty webb

May 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

Rape, scheming to blow up bridges…I long for the days when these occusquatters only took dumps in public.

Mr_B

May 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

“I’ld bet at least 2 of them come from upper middle class or above families and just have too much time on their hands.”

Damn, they got Romney?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

But…but…but…Obama

KABUL — President Obama made an unannounced visit to Afghanistan on Tuesday, landing on the one-year anniversary of the attack that killed Osama bin Laden and during a pivotal moment in U.S-Afghan relations, as the two countries look to define their military and economic ties beyond 2014.

Campaigner-in-chief comments in 3…2…1….

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

Towncrier — “If there were absolutely no evidentiary basis for Obama’s earlier socialistic leanings, then how did at least four books get published that talk about this? To argue that he did not, in fact, lean that way in college is to be willfully ignorant I would say.”

So what if he did? Given how he’s handling business now, it’s manifestly obvious that whether he ever was a socialist in the past, he’s not one now.

Besides, for all the handwringing you’re doing over what Obama might have been at one time, doesn’t it disturb the conservative rank and file that most Republican Presidents over the last *generation* had been avowedly pro-choice earlier in their lives?

Thomas

May 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

As usual, great piece on local government. If all of us stopped spending time and energy fighting each other and laser focused on both sides of the aisles we would get out of the red and into the black. Speaking of which, loved the AJC story brown (chicken) thighs are better- if you haven’t tried it you should.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

“Interesting that Wikipedia is about to delete the page as being unsourced and unreliable.”

I agree this is interesting, especially since (ironically) at least six of the eight named publications cited in support of the relatively short article are links to unquestioned Wikipedia articles:

Avante!, of the Portuguese Communist Party
Eteenpäin, Finnish-language newspaper in the United States
Forverts/The Forward, a Yiddish/English newspaper from New York
Új Előre (’New Forward’), a Hungarian-language newspaper in the United States
Vorwärts, organ of the Social Democratic Party of Germany
Vorwärts!, published from Paris in 1844 and associated with the Communist League

The plot thickens, it would seem.

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

May 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

Never mind that he was set up by Cheney’s machine, just like Kerry.

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

Doom, 3:29,

They all look like they could use a bath, especially the one with the beard. And I am sure that Queen Nancy, Dirty Harry, Bozo and all of those occuturd backers out there are still behind the movement. This is grass roots American, folks, participating in their God given right to protest the ills created by capitalism and free enterprise….. and if that doesn’t work, just blow ‘em up. Not a word from any of these liberal losers. Nothing.

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

May 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

Got yer good manners, I see…

Brosephus™

May 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

Kam

Ok, thanks. I was trying to figure out where I pointed fingers specifically at one side. I think most every politician is ethically challenged. I just don’t see Georgia politicians doing anything meaningful when it comes to ethics. In regards to Balfour, the GOP tends to protect their own more than they throw them under the bus. I don’t see anything to suggest they would do anything different here.

Thulsa Doom

May 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

Scout,

But but but the occutards are just innocent protestors.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

0311 — “Joe Hussein Mama: This is from way back ! I have been looking for you. I hadn’t seen that post but you were correct on the facts of the account and I owe you an apology.”

“The “intell.” involved something else that in fact turned out to be wrong. However, at the time Colonel West did not know that and I still support he was acting in the best interest of his men based on what information he had.”

Actually, West didn’t *have* any intel at all. He had a *suspicion* that, according to eyewitness statements (I’ve read ‘em) was not supported by any actual intel whatsoever. IMO, the fact that he didn’t have intel is why he accepted the Article 15 punishment instead of requesting a court martial.

West was then punished for violating orders *and* for doing so in the absence of any persuasive intel. Had he had some, he could have requested and received a court martial and might have even been exonerated of any wrongdoing. As it was, though, he was wrong, he didn’t have any intel and he KNEW it. Thus he accepted the Article 15 UCMJ action.

Thanks for closing the loop, though. FWIW, you can find the eyewitness statements online. They make West seem a little hysterical and unbalanced IMO.

Fly-on-the-Wall

May 1st, 2012
3:43 pm

Kayer – you are a real piece of…….work. I want the drugs you take so you can live in your fantasy world. Are they government supplied too?

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:43 pm

If there were absolutely no evidentiary basis for Obama’s earlier socialistic leanings, then how did at least four books get published that talk about this?

Hahahaha… Dude, I’ve had a book published. Long out of print now. I know what it takes to get one published and the biggest thing is this: the publisher believes there’s a market for it and can sell it in quantity. Just because the crazy are happy to buy this stuff and think it’s gospel doesn’t mean it’s still not crazy. And publishers are happy to capitalize on this if it’ll make them money.

How much wasted ink about Obama’s birth certificate, hmmm?

Fly-on-the-Wall

May 1st, 2012
3:43 pm

Sorry, to fast on the keys – that was meant for KAYAKER!

Thulsa Doom

May 1st, 2012
3:44 pm

kayaker,

Like I said the biggest affront of theirs wasn’t pooping on cop cars, rioting, and making general nuisances of themselves. It was they stinkiness. They needed to be hosed down a bit. Get some a that funk off of them. Can you imagine how bad it was for the 4 women who reportedly got raped. On top of such an indigation it was done by a really stinky dude.

Sure glad the tea party didn’t have rapes, attempteded terrorist bombings, and just plain stinky rioting people. Mighty nice of them tea party folks to have paid all their applicable fees and clean up after they left as opposed to trashing places like Woddruff park.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:44 pm

“So what if he did? Given how he’s handling business now, it’s manifestly obvious that whether he ever was a socialist in the past, he’s not one now.”

First, thank you for acknowledging the truth and not writing me off as “crazy”. Second, look back at my original posts to see what my point in all of this was: the new slogan is ill-advised, in my opinion. Why use something with which your opponents might be able to make political hay? And that get’s to the lack of wisdom of people surrounding Obama.

“Besides, for all the handwringing you’re doing over what Obama might have been at one time, doesn’t it disturb the conservative rank and file that most Republican Presidents over the last *generation* had been avowedly pro-choice earlier in their lives?”

See above. What handwringing? But let me understand you: do you think it is okay for Obama to use this “strategy” against Romney (say, as with being pro-choice) but not vice versa? As for the Republican presidents you mention, I have no problem with someone changing their position just as long as they 1) admit they had it 2) explain why they changed their mind and 3) demonstrate they have indeed changed it. Has Obama done this with his socialistic views? If so, please point me to where I may read up on it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
3:45 pm

The plot thickens, it would seem.

And “forward” is an anagram for “or dwarf”.

Sinister I tells you, sinister.

Matti

May 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

kayaker71 @ 3:28,

Nice deflection. Do you live in Georgia? If so, the corrupt and completely unethical state legislators and executive officials who suckle tax dollars from the bosom of a dying state THANK YOU for ignoring everything they do.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

I hear you but “Suspicion” in a combat environment saves lives.

I walked many a “point” in the infantry in Nam. Believe me, suspicion, hunches, erie feelings that you are being watched ……………….. they are all important.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:47 pm

And “forward” is an anagram for “or dwarf”.

That makes it even more scary!

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:48 pm

“Hahahaha… Dude, I’ve had a book published. Long out of print now. I know what it takes to get one published and the biggest thing is this: the publisher believes there’s a market for it and can sell it in quantity. Just because the crazy are happy to buy this stuff and think it’s gospel doesn’t mean it’s still not crazy.”

I think I have you pegged now. You are a political ostrich of sorts. I suspect it is the kind of seemingly close minded people like yourself on both the right and left that will preclude us from solving the problems we so badly need to solve. At least JMH knows enough NOT to dispute Obama’s past. When you decide to start dealing with facts and reason, let me know.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
3:49 pm

Thomas Heyward jr

May 1st, 2012
3:50 pm

800 dollars?……….maybe more?
.
Sheesh.
.
Nail him if you can.
.
But keep in mind………..that’s less than one day’s per diem for a Federal Secret Service thug Chaperone that is supposed to look after a Federal thug Secret Service Agent.
.
Lord only knows what Obama Debt Laden is handing out over in Afghan now to his fellow corrupto-crat.
.
Once again……………………………………..sheeeesh.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:50 pm

Headline: “President Obama will speak on U.S. TV at 7:30 p.m. ET from Afghanistan on the anniversary of the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.”

Sorry, but the Braves are on.

Eustis

May 1st, 2012
3:52 pm

Jay,
same crowd of posters. Just like wrestling fans that believe it’s real.

You must get a kick out of all this.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:52 pm

” “President Obama will speak on U.S. TV at 7:30 p.m. ET from Afghanistan on the anniversary of the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.”

Wow. That is truly sad. And perhaps, as Jay would say, crassly opportunistic. Why does everything have to be politics with Obama and Romney?

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

Fly on the Wall 3:43,

“Are they govt. supplied too”?. Nope…. pay for them myself.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

Thomas Heyward jr:

Sorry, but the federal per diem lodging rate for NYC is $241 and meals/other expenses is $71.

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/category/100120

Simple Truths

May 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

Whoa! A politician with ethics issues. Couldn’t see that one coming…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 1st, 2012
3:54 pm

Well, heh, heh, Balfour is a Republican and a good ol’ boy to boot. Which is more than you can say about those two scoundrels. You got to give people with alot of power a little room to squirm move around. You can’t be nickle and diming them all the time.

Anyhow, Republicans have just been in power in this state for 10 years. When they got 150 years behind them, like the librul Democrats, then maybe you can get a little tighter with the rules.

Don’t get me wrong—I’m all for ethics. But not if it’s going to remove a solid Conservative Republican from office.

Have a good p.m. and night everybody.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
3:56 pm

Towncrier — “First, thank you for acknowledging the truth and not writing me off as “crazy”.

First, I haven’t acknowledged what you so colorfully seem to think is the “truth.” I’m simply trying to engage you politely and respectfully. I quite clearly said that ‘even if’ does not equal ’still is today.’ I think that *you* need to acknowledge that.

Furthermore, your point about books is poorly taken. Have you ever heard of a “vanity press?” Regnery Publishing will print and bind pretty much anything you give them, if you pay them enough, and they’ve been used as a vanity press by conservatives for years. The fact that something’s been printed in a book by no means establishes its veracity, so for you to use that as a supporting argument is really quite risible.

“Second, look back at my original posts to see what my point in all of this was: the new slogan is ill-advised, in my opinion. Why use something with which your opponents might be able to make political hay? And that get’s to the lack of wisdom of people surrounding Obama.”

How, exactly, does that tie into a discussion of ethics in Georgia state governance, please?

“See above. What handwringing?”

If it’s not handwringing, then how did this come up in a discussion of ethics in GA state governance?

“But let me understand you: do you think it is okay for Obama to use this “strategy” against Romney (say, as with being pro-choice) but not vice versa? As for the Republican presidents you mention, I have no problem with someone changing their position just as long as they 1) admit they had it 2) explain why they changed their mind and 3) demonstrate they have indeed changed it. Has Obama done this with his socialistic views? If so, please point me to where I may read up on it.”

Once again, what does this have to do with a discussion of ethics with respect to Georgia state governance, please?

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
3:57 pm

“Don’t get me wrong—I’m all for ethics. But not if it’s going to remove a solid Conservative Republican from office.”

Or I guess (in the case of people like Barney Frank) a good solid liberal Democrat. The story is too often true for both parties.

kayaker 71

May 1st, 2012
3:58 pm

So Bozo is going to address the world from Afghanistan on the one year anniversary of OBL’s take down. The ultimate campaign stop. Now all of you liberals out there who didn’t like Mission Accomplished have nothing else to say. Wonder how what’s left of Seal Team Six thinks about this? This clown has no class. Not only will it piss off the whole Islamic world, it just makes him look like an opportunist. Sort of like accepting the Nobel Peace price for doing what? Absolutely nothing.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 1st, 2012
3:59 pm

I think I have you pegged now. You are a political ostrich of sorts

Glad I could help make your mind orderly for you. You’re wrong, of course. I recognize nonsense when I read (and hear) it. Some people couch it as though it were an interesting “discussion”, but it’s still nonsense.

If you think Obama is “Marxist” or “Socialist”, then you also thought W was a “compassionate conservative” (his words, as opposed to the nuttiness being made up about Obama).

Watch what they do, not what they say. They are CORPORATISTS. You’re being played.

josef

May 1st, 2012
4:00 pm

For the love of G-d! These are politicians and elected officials. They are a lying, cheating, self-serving pack of wolves here in Georgia, from the Redwood Forests to the Gulfstream waters, and from one corner of planet earth to the other, It goes with the territory, It’s a job requirement. To pretend otherwise or think we can change the nature of the beast is simply naive. The best we can hope for is to control it. Entrusting that control to the ones doing it….? Get real….

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:00 pm

0311 — “I hear you but “Suspicion” in a combat environment saves lives. I walked many a “point” in the infantry in Nam. Believe me, suspicion, hunches, erie feelings that you are being watched ……………….. they are all important.”

I don’t reject that at all, and I completely agree with you.

The knock against LTC West is that he *disobeyed direct orders* based on that hunch and that there was no evidence supporting his hunch — though there was a LOT of evidence that *disagreed* with his hunch. Again, check out the eyewitness statements (I’ve read them online and they’re not hard to find) and I think you might see what I mean.

pogo

May 1st, 2012
4:02 pm

Agree 100% with you Jay. Get rid of the bum.

On another note, some of the nations largest employers are seriously looking at dropping healthcare for their employees under Obamacare. While they will have to pay the $2000 fine, they look to save about 54 billion annually. Was this the way that was supposed to be played out? Especially with the promises Obama gave about people keeping their employer provided healthcare. And who will cover these employees? The taxpayers, that’s who. Obamacare has shifted the cost of health care costs from big business onto the taxpayers. What a f#$%ing loser.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:02 pm

Towncrier — “At least JMH knows enough NOT to dispute Obama’s past.”

Did you not even read what I said earlier? Where did I even *remotely* agree with you?

“When you decide to start dealing with facts and reason, let me know.”

Speak for yourself, Champ.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:04 pm

K71 — “Now all of you liberals out there who didn’t like Mission Accomplished have nothing else to say. ”

I do.

OBL’s dead. The “Mission” was NOT “Accomplished” when President Bush made that speech.

Attention to detail, Kayaker. (laughing) :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
4:05 pm

But…but…but…

…Barney Franks
…Fannie
…Freddie
…the CRA
…ACORN
…Bill Ayers
…the Black Panthers
…Marxism
…Socialism
…box 23/26 on the long form birth certificate

carlosgvv

May 1st, 2012
4:07 pm

We already know how this will play out. Having already sold themselves to Big Business, the Republicans have lost what little sense of ethics they had in the first place. Therefore, they will “meet to consider evidence” and then conclude that Balfour has done nothing wrong. Count on it.

Brosephus™

May 1st, 2012
4:08 pm

Sorry, but the federal per diem lodging rate for NYC is $241 and meals/other expenses is $71.

Scout

Me thinks you’re wasting time and oxygen with that one….

JamVet

May 1st, 2012
4:08 pm

Those who disregard corruption as long as it is Republican, in order:

Towncrier @2:57 pm. With some McCarthyism and Obama Derangement Syndrome thrown in for good measure.

kayaker 71 @3:16 pm. Forever paranoid and childishly obsessed with protesters.

Thulsa Doom @ 3:20 pm. Sorry, Doomy, but at least you could have acknowledged the worst slime to ever run this state before careening off to Democrats in Washington.

And just for the numerologist…

Marinetards=Terrorists.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:08 pm

“First, I haven’t acknowledged what you so colorfully seem to think is the “truth.” I’m simply trying to engage you politely and respectfully. I quite clearly said that ‘even if’ does not equal ’still is today.’ I think that *you* need to acknowledge that.”

I suspect you would not bet a whole lot on the claim that Obama did NOT have socialist leanings in college. If you are, let me know and I will do definitive research upon the wager. Of course, I don’t “need” to acknowledge anything you say. But, for the record, I am not inclined to believe that Obama is a “closet” Marxist. My point was about what I think is an ill advised use of a slogan. I learned of the slogan today. So was I supposed to hold off on what I was thinking until Jay wrote a column about it (which might be never)?

“How, exactly, does that tie into a discussion of ethics in Georgia state governance, please?”

Who said it had to? Are you saying that there is an unwritten rule that all bloggers must stick to the topic at hand and that you have faithfully done so? Is there more than one topic that may be discussed at a time? Since you took the liberty to suggest that I not have a double standard when it comes a politician’s past, can that appeal also be applied to blogging?

“If it’s not handwringing, then how did this come up in a discussion of ethics in GA state governance?”

See above. I am through discussing this matter at this point.

They BOTH suck

May 1st, 2012
4:11 pm

“We’re more likely to see the Democratic Party retake control of the entire state before the GOP enacts the ethics reform that the majority of the residents of Georgia really wants to see enacted.”

And since we know that isn’t going to happen……… we just have the crap we have until the voters stop with the only Ds or Rs bs

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:12 pm

“With some McCarthyism and Obama Derangement Syndrome thrown in for good measure.”

Do you know the story of Hugo Black and William Boeing? That was before McCarthy and is perhaps somewhat apropos to today’s sometimes (not always) wrongheaded anti-capitalistic rhetoric.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:12 pm

“With some McCarthyism and Obama Derangement Syndrome thrown in for good measure.”

Do you know the story of Hugo Black and William Boeing? That was before McCarthy and is perhaps somewhat apropos to today’s sometimes (not always) wrongheaded anti-capitalistic rhetoric.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

May 1st, 2012
4:14 pm

JAY is a hack when he starts quoting fictional characters from the tv show 2 & 1/2 Men

charlie harper knows booze and women

barking frog

May 1st, 2012
4:14 pm

Our Governor will take
care of this silliness. He
was once a prosecutor
like Nancy Grace and she
may help him.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:15 pm

“I’m simply trying to engage you politely and respectfully.”

“Speak for yourself, Champ.”

Which is it, then?

carlosgvv

May 1st, 2012
4:15 pm

Towncrier – 4:08

In other words, you know there’s not a chance in hell the Senate Rules Committee will find him guilty, no matter how much evidence is presented. So to save your Republican face, you want to change the subject as quickly as possible.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:15 pm

Towncrier — “I suspect you would not bet a whole lot on the claim that Obama did NOT have socialist leanings in college.”

I wasn’t there, so I don’t know. I suspect you weren’t either.

“If you are, let me know and I will do definitive research upon the wager. Of course, I don’t “need” to acknowledge anything you say.”

Actually, yes, you do. If you’re going to make inaccurate claims about what I’ve said, as you have at least twice now, then I think you need to go back, reread what I *actually* said and then man up and acknowledge what I posted — because I most assuredly did not say what you seem to be claiming I did.

“But, for the record, I am not inclined to believe that Obama is a “closet” Marxist. My point was about what I think is an ill advised use of a slogan. I learned of the slogan today. So was I supposed to hold off on what I was thinking until Jay wrote a column about it (which might be never)?”

No, but would it be asking too much of you all for you to make a few comments on the freaking TOPIC of the thread before you go off on one of your inevitable and interminable polemics about the President? :roll: Quite frankly, this slag-on-Obama-on-every-thread-no-matter-what bulldada is really getting tiresome.

“Who said it had to? Are you saying that there is an unwritten rule that all bloggers must stick to the topic at hand and that you have faithfully done so?”

See above, and kindly stop whining.

“Is there more than one topic that may be discussed at a time? Since you took the liberty to suggest that I not have a double standard when it comes a politician’s past, can that appeal also be applied to blogging?”

Again, see above and kindly stop whining.

“See above. I am through discussing this matter at this point.”

Didn’t think so. :roll:

Thomas Heyward jr

May 1st, 2012
4:17 pm

“Sorry, but the federal per diem lodging rate for NYC is $241 and meals/other expenses is $71.”
.
You forgot the normal (overpaid) pay-rate.
You also forgot the overseas/argerous duty suppliment.
.
NOW…….the Secret Service thugs have to have a Chaperone…And taxpayers have to pay.
Talk about ethics.
.
Like I said earlier……….800 dollars is LESS than what ONE SS thug cost taxpayers in a day.
There are hundreds that accompany Obama Debt Laden.
.
But Bookman gets his pantys in a wad over a corrupt Balfour.
.
Sheeeesh.

264 more days

May 1st, 2012
4:17 pm

Towncrier
You must understand that in trying to carry a debate or conversation with the Hussy is like the “old bitty”: that must “get the last word in, right or wrong”

Now watch for his smarta$$ comment, he is a hoot

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:18 pm

Towncrier — “Which is it, then?”

The first quote explained something I had posted previously. The second was an expression of my current (at the time of the post) impatience with you, given your repeated misstatement and misrepresentation of what I had posted in reply to your earlier.

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify things, and don’t be afraid to ask again.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
4:25 pm

Brosephus:

“Scout

Me thinks you’re wasting time and oxygen with that one….”

Just wanted to set him straight ……………… :o

UNCLE SAMANTHA

May 1st, 2012
4:26 pm

for the record…….. Obama is not a Marxist or Socialist

He is a CORPORATIST and an ANTI-COLONIALIST…………….. that is the combination of the Democratic party and his parents/mentors views.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
4:27 pm

Headline: “President Obama will speak on U.S. TV at 7:30 p.m. ET from Afghanistan on the anniversary of the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.”

I hope this is not like Johnson’s speech in 1967 when he said he was pulling the troops out of Nam because there were more U.S. KIA’s “AFTER” that speech than before !!!

What’s wrong with that picture ?

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:27 pm

“No, but would it be asking too much of you all for you to make a few comments on the freaking TOPIC of the thread before you go off on one of your inevitable and interminable polemics about the President? Quite frankly, this slag-on-Obama-on-every-thread-no-matter-what bulldada is really getting tiresome.”

Please apply your own standard to yourself (by going through the posts I have made on threads the past, say, two weeks) to demonstrate what you claim here. If you cannot, they you are being hypocritical I would say. If you don’t like the point I am making, then just say so. Why all of this seeming deflection? I guess I hit a sore spot. Just to set your mind at ease, Obama is not in my opinion the worst president we have ever had. LBJ might take that crown.

“Again, see above and kindly stop whining.”

What ever happened to “…trying to engage [others] politely and respectfully.”? Is that a standard of yours or something else?

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:29 pm

“The second was an expression of my current (at the time of the post) impatience with you, given your repeated misstatement and misrepresentation of what I had posted in reply to your earlier.”

Sounds a lot like self-justification to me. I would have been nice but you made me impatient, so I you deserve it. How well does that defense track in the justice system, I wonder?

JamVet

May 1st, 2012
4:30 pm

It seems that if there is no investigation, no finding of ethical violation, no indictment, and no conviction then we as Republicans can continue to claim we are better than they were. We are not.

Of course they’re not.

Given a chance to double, even triple, down on the historic corruption, graft and bribes in this state, they simply could not say no to such a lucrative “Deal”.

And like the guppies who elect these inept clowns and unabashed thieves, they have never found a subject regarding moral courage and ethical governance that they could not drop like a hot potato and ballerina wildly off to Obama or Communists or protesters or ANYTHING but their blatantly crooked heroes with an R after their names…

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:32 pm

“You must understand that in trying to carry a debate or conversation with the Hussy is like the “old bitty”: that must “get the last word in, right or wrong”

I think we all have that tendency when we feel we must be right and prove it by any means to others. Sometimes I foolishly feel that way. But in my wiser moments, I know I don’t have to be right. And it’s okay for me to express my views in any case.

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

Sheet. It looks like we have found the next Republican Governor of Georgia after Nathan Steal steals all he can steal. Don Balfour. And even better, he’s a fine upstanding Baptist, a graduate of Bob Jones University. My man Don. Give it up for Grace. Go for the Glory of God and steal all you can steal.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:34 pm

Towncrier — “Please apply your own standard to yourself”

Whatever you say. BTW, whatever happened to “See above. I am through discussing this matter at this point,” hmm?

“What ever happened to “…trying to engage [others] politely and respectfully.”? Is that a standard of yours or something else?”

If you’re going to repeatedly misstate and misrepresent my position, I won’t be either polite or respectful to you. The road goes both ways; you can either get back on it, or I’ll get off it just as you’ve done.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

Towncrier — “Sounds a lot like self-justification to me. I would have been nice but you made me impatient, so I you deserve it. How well does that defense track in the justice system, I wonder?”

Irrelevant, since you’re neither a judge nor a jury.

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

Is josef on this here blog? If so I need some damn advice………..

Yo Killer Queen? Where you be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ti2P_z5IPw

They BOTH suck

May 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

“Bob Jones University”

Are they still against interracial dating and marriage or have they found their way out of the 50s?

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:36 pm

“I wasn’t there, so I don’t know. I suspect you weren’t either.”

Sorry, JMH…I almost let this slip. I hope you are not saying one has to have been somewhere to know something that happened there. I think it can be established that Obama did, in fact, have socialistic leanings in his college years if not beyond. Does that make him a monster? Of course not. There’s plenty of leftist ideologies being preached in universities. Does he have them today? I rather doubt it. If he does, he is a truly an evil genius.

They BOTH suck

May 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

I do declare and must apologize

Bob Jones ended their ban in interracial dating way way way back in 2000

hahahahahaha

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

“Irrelevant, since you’re neither a judge nor a jury.”

This is, of course, a self-defeating statement. For in it you make a judgement.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
4:39 pm

Towncrier — “I think it can be established that Obama did, in fact, have socialistic leanings in his college years if not beyond.”

Why, yes! At least four books say so! (laughing) :D

“Does that make him a monster? Of course not. There’s plenty of leftist ideologies being preached in universities.”

Speaking of having direct knowledge, what would you know about this?

“Does he have them today? I rather doubt it.”

Then this line of discussion, which you have pressed rather assiduously, is rather specious and jejune, don’t you think?

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

“specious and jejune”

Now who does that? Who uses those two words in a sentence? 90 percent of America doesn’t even know what they mean lol.

JamVet

May 1st, 2012
4:42 pm

He is a CORPORATIST

PLEASE! Stop making sense.

It does not fit in with the puerile and mindless communism, socialism, Marxism lunacy that these new age Witch Hunters parrot en masse.

Hell, we’ve even got run out of the military Armytards, like the disgraced Allen Kanye West going all Tailgunner Witch Hunt on us…

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:42 pm

Not to mention a bit redundant

Union

May 1st, 2012
4:45 pm

speaking of corruption.. good article in the wsj about one of gm’s most profitable plants. odd thing.. it was shut down to reopen one of the more least profitable plants. the employees at the profitable plant are sol as jobs go.. due to union provisions blocking them from transferring to another facility.. all endorsed by the obama administration…

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

May 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

They BOTH suck
May 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

I do declare and must apologize

Bob Jones ended their ban in interracial dating way way way back in 2000

hahahahahaha

Have there been any studies of an increase in single moms not able to collect child support from their baby daddies in South Carolina since this happened?

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

Union. Provide some proof. Some links. SOMETHING you didn’t just pull out of your stupid ass.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:47 pm

“If you’re going to repeatedly misstate and misrepresent my position, I won’t be either polite or respectful to you. The road goes both ways; you can either get back on it, or I’ll get off it just as you’ve done.”

I have not made any rude or disrespectful statements to or about you so far. That is all in your mind. What I said – and it appears I assumed too much (forgetting that you seem to require almost a doctoral dissertation and much published data to concede almost any point) – about you accepting the “truth” (a word used in a colloquial rather than epistemological sense) was an honest mistake – that is, I find it hard to believe anyone would contest that Obama had leftist leanings earlier in life because I have seen enough evidence in passing (without thoroughly researching it) to conclude it is probably true and NOT a malicious lie (it is one or the other, by the way). But you that is not good enough for you. Very well. I will not characterize your position again in a post, for I really seem to have little idea what it may be.

They BOTH suck

May 1st, 2012
4:49 pm

“Have there been any studies of an increase in single moms not able to collect child support from their baby daddies in South Carolina since this happened?”

Have no idea what you are talking about, so I will let you look up that information and share with the class…..

Thanks in advance for all the insight

stevie ray..Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...

May 1st, 2012
4:50 pm

JAY,

Who in the legislature should I target my newly inspired email campaign toward?? I want to make certain someone down there knows you can indeed create a stir…

Too bad our local politics are simply a microcosm of the equally corrupted DC folks…that’s about the only bi-partisan activity in politics anymore…insider trading, land deals, misappropriation and cronyism…all this chatter about who’s the bigger idiot (left v right) is really sophomoric and truly subordinate to the real issue.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 1st, 2012
4:51 pm

See above. I am through discussing this matter at this point.

Current evidence proves otherwise.

Headed upstairs now….

josef

May 1st, 2012
4:51 pm

ZamVet

Go over to Maureen’s Get Schooled. I’d be interested in your input there. You’ll know which one.

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

Alright josef dammit. I have POUNDS of crawfish and wanted some suggestions. I flash boiled the ones we didn’t eat. I guess I’ll peel them and either make some etoufee or jambalaya. Although I like some sausage in my jambalaya and I don’t have any right now………..

Saw a recipe for Crawfish and Broccoli casserole that looked interesting……..

Union

May 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

“Union. Provide some proof. Some links. SOMETHING you didn’t just pull out of your stupid ass.”

my stupid ass told me to tell your less than intelligent gluteus maximus to google.. im not the obama administration.. im not going to just give you a handout.. you got to work for it a little.. :p

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:53 pm

Gee josef, I wonder which one you want Jamvet’s take on. It wouldn’t be the holocaust one I’m SURE.

JamVet

May 1st, 2012
4:53 pm

Bob Jones University?

Along with Liberty University, and their two loathsome leaders, were noted by a certain presidential candidate – who was swiftboated by his own political party – as “agents of intolerance” who exercised an “evil influence” over the Republican Party.

Just another example of the supposedly most Christian groups in this country being some of the most racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic and bigoted to be found.

It is still good times for the Dollars for Jesus frauds though…

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

Union

May 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

“Union. Provide some proof. Some links. SOMETHING you didn’t just pull out of your stupid ass.”

my stupid ass told me to tell your less than intelligent gluteus maximus to google.. im not the obama administration.. im not going to just give you a handout.. you got to work for it a little.. :p
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Nice diversion from your lies. You toss out a bullsht allegation, provide a link asshat. Otherwise it’s just that. A bullsht allegation.

This isn’t talk radio and we aren’t you dumb asses that listen to it. We need some proof, not just ‘Rush said so.”

Thanks for playing, I guess you will have to go down as FAIL.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

“Speaking of having direct knowledge, what would you know about this?”

I have several degrees and so have actually attended universities and been exposed to all sorts of ideologies. Why even question such an obvious thing?

“Then this line of discussion, which you have pressed rather assiduously, is rather specious and jejune, don’t you think?”

I suppose if you don’t think managing what people below you are doing is significant, then yes. In my original post (please revisit it), I think I said that the slogan was indicative of some of the imprudent things his administration is doing. It seems like a small matter, but if you can’t even prevent using a slogan that may hurt you in your campaign (something, out of self interest, you should get right if not other things), then what does that say about your leadership? THAT was my point, but I guess I need to spell things out in great detail to get past all of the emotions here.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
4:56 pm

JamVet:

From the other day ………………

“In a 2007 interview with The Boston Globe, then Senator Obama declared:

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

P.S. Check out all of these “flip-flops” at your leisure:

http://www.therightsphere.com/2012/04/president-flip-flop-barack-obamas-broken-promises-policy-reversals-and-continuous-flip-flops/

Union

May 1st, 2012
4:57 pm

fred.. you have some anger management issues.. or something.. must be making up for some type of inadequacy?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304177104577307184099140656.html

JamVet

May 1st, 2012
4:57 pm

josef, I read it twice, but don’t see anything askew. What am I missing?

They BOTH suck

May 1st, 2012
4:59 pm

Fresh Price

Are you still with us? Figured you could expand on your post and enlightened us with more of your bigotry and bull$hit

josef

May 1st, 2012
4:59 pm

ZamVet

Nothing particularly askew per se, just given your own particular background I thought you might have some opinions on the time, place and how to teach the subject…

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
4:59 pm

Kam: Did you watch the Manc/ManU game yesterday? How about the Liverpool game today?

Josef: Ne tenez-vous pas compte moi? Vous feriez mieux de ne pas être ou je vais vous donner un bare butt fessées.

JamVet

May 1st, 2012
5:00 pm

Oh, I see said the blind man. I was wondering why in the name of blue blazes I would be interested in contract corrections?!

pogo

May 1st, 2012
5:00 pm

Obama was never elected to be a leader and he has certainly proven that by dividing this country in a way that hasn’t happened in a century. He was elected to be a symbol for some racial or political cause and nothing more. And a symbol he is as he most certainly is not a leader. Leaders unite people and from this fact alone it is very apparent that Obama is not a leader. Nobody really has any real respect for him because he is a divider who feeds upon division between the races and those of differing economic status. Obama doesn’t want to unite this nation because he was trained in the socialist doctrine of Ayers and Chicago politics. His entire political life depends on division of this countrys people for its existance. If 50% of this country can’t stand the other 50% then we are doomed as a nation.

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
5:00 pm

Union

May 1st, 2012
4:57 pm

fred.. you have some anger management issues.. or something.. must be making up for some type of inadequacy?
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Yeah, I have an inadequacy of patience for idiots.

JamVet

May 1st, 2012
5:00 pm

Gimme a few…

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

May 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

ah, there you go. Don Balfour. Bingo.
there’s everything we despise in today’s Republican, all rolled up
into one slimy ball of sleaze.
Picture Jimmy Swaggart bingeing on hookers & an 8-ball.

I’ll say this, those Republicans have nailed that pompous hypocrite
narcissist demographic.

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
5:02 pm

Oh and Union? Your article didn’t go for more than a paragraph and is an OPINION piece. Nice try.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 1st, 2012
5:03 pm

O.K.

0311 – 1

JamVet – 0

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
5:04 pm

Towncrier — “I have several degrees and so have actually attended universities and been exposed to all sorts of ideologies.”

So do I. Five at and above the Bachelors’ level, to be exact

In addition, I’ve taught at the university level (while I was still a confirmed and registered Republican) and my father’s a tenured university professor (of long standing) in a science field. And I’ve seen *no* evidence of “leftist philosophies” being “preached” in universities.

So once again, what do you know about it?

“Why even question such an obvious thing?”

See above.

“I suppose if you don’t think managing what people below you are doing is significant, then yes. In my original post (please revisit it), I think I said that the slogan was indicative of some of the imprudent things his administration is doing. It seems like a small matter, but if you can’t even prevent using a slogan that may hurt you in your campaign (something, out of self interest, you should get right if not other things), then what does that say about your leadership? THAT was my point, but I guess I need to spell things out in great detail to get past all of the emotions here.”

Perhaps the emotions you need to get past are your own; had you considered that?

josef

May 1st, 2012
5:10 pm

FRED

Ce n’est pas que je ne prête attention à toi…tu n’as rien dit pour moi de réagir! Et tu sais, je suis un réactionnaire! :-)

Union

May 1st, 2012
5:10 pm

Fred ™
May 1st, 2012
5:02 pm

Oh and Union? Your article didn’t go for more than a paragraph and is an OPINION piece. Nice try.

my bad.. you have to be a subscriber.. or you can google the free version.. which you need apparently.. mr bookman is in the opinion section of the ajc.. so you are saying there is no “fact” in what he writes? odd…

josef

May 1st, 2012
5:13 pm

gone upstairs…heh, heh…

Fred ™

May 1st, 2012
5:18 pm

Josef, I asked for some cajun suggestions for what to do with the crawfish……..

Union: I do not quote Mr. Bookman when trying to make a point for an argument. What is so odd about that? Unlike you I can separate fantasy from reality, opinion from fact. Truth from lies.

What’s your point?

josef again: LOL I think I’m going to go “fusion.” Crawfish spaghetti sauce………

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
5:19 pm

“Perhaps the emotions you need to get past are your own; had you considered that?”

Of course. We all have to do that, JHM – including you.

Union

May 1st, 2012
5:19 pm

fred.. uh huh.. and i thought conservatives were dense..

Joe Hussein Mama

May 1st, 2012
5:23 pm

Towncrier — “Of course. We all have to do that, JHM – including you.”

I’m well aware of my own. I’m not so sure you pay attention to yours.

And while we’re having the wang-measuring contest regarding university bona fides, once again, what do you know about “liberal philosophies” being “preached” in colleges and universities, please?

saywhat?

May 1st, 2012
5:25 pm

pogo

May 1st, 2012
5:00 pm
Obama blah blah blah……total ideologically driven b.s.
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Obama is not a source of division in the country. The source of division is the Republicans, who would rather see Obama fail than the country succeed. This is just another typical case of conservatives subconsciously projecting their own motives on others. You may as well plow through 14 cars at a stoplight, then call the guy at the front of the line a bad driver for getting into an accident.

josef

May 1st, 2012
5:28 pm

Fred

Tell me how that spaghetti sauce turns out…sounds good!!

JTS

May 1st, 2012
5:47 pm

Don’t worry, conservatives are on the job.

There appears to be a tendency among some people to write-off the efforts of people like Jim Walls of the website AtlantaUnfiltered.com, Elizabeth Caldon in her lawsuit against the Georgia Board of Regents, the various Tea Party groups, other blogs too numerous to mention, and the always unpredictable (but never boring) Political Vine as being “unreliable”, “liars”, “nut jobs”, “losers”, “disgruntled”, “crazy”…and any number of other words in combination with these words.

In order for Mr. Balfour to actually face his violations of these 3 criminal statutes, someone has to gather up this evidence presented in this article (via the PDFs on Jim Walls’ Website of the Balfour’s expense vouchers, as well as the lobbyist reports also provided…and, anything else anyone would like to gather from Jim’s report here), and personally file them via a sworn statement to the following law enforcement offices:

Gwinnett District Attorney Danny Porter’s office…OR
Gwinnett Solicitor General Rosanna Szabo’s office

AND

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard’s office…OR
Fulton County Solicitor General Carmen D. Smith’s office.

Now, just like someone had to personally gather the evidence and file the first complaint with the Senate Ethics Committee, someone (i.e., a person) has to gather the evidence (which ain’t that tough here, Folks) and file a “witness statement” within each of these offices so that a proper investigation and due process for Mr. Balfour can be assured of happening.

It’s up to one (or more) of you folks in the General Public to take action now, and contribute to the process of, not only exposing corruption, but actually doing something to stop it. It’s your job now. Don’t assume someone else will do it. Don’t assume it’s someone else’s responsibility.

What is The Political Vine?

The Political Vine was established on July 24, 2000 and is based in Georgia. We have gone though many incarnations, first as only an e-mail newsletter, then a Website, and now a Blog with an e-mail sent out to a list of about 5000 people.

All material is produced by Georgia Republican activists whose agenda is to deliver facts, information, humor, opinion and rumors in a satirical/sarcastic environment.

MountainMan

May 1st, 2012
8:04 pm

Lookup Roscoe Dean, the original claiming too much mileage crook from South Georgia.

Towncrier

May 1st, 2012
8:53 pm

“And while we’re having the wang-measuring contest regarding university bona fides, once again, what do you know about “liberal philosophies” being “preached” in colleges and universities, please?”

I know what I personally observed at several universities. And I don’t believe it would be hard to find evidence it happens on the Internet. But I also know that first hand experience is unacceptable to you and that anything less than a peer reviewed and rigorously tested claim is not either. So I will leave it at that. You made the assertion that a certain behavior of mine (which I am still waiting for you to validate since if you don’t it shows you don’t hold to your own standards) was tiresome. Well, I also find this tact of “prove it to me” tiresome as well. I did provide you with evidence regarding the mistreatment of veterans and you said you were going to verify the sources. How is that inquiry going? I am not your research assistant. If you don’t want to give credence to what I say, then don’t. That is your choice and I am fine with it. I don’t have to be right in your eyes. But just so you know, I do not intend to footnote everything I say on this blog. As I said before, days ago, I will provide proof of something I say if I feel it is not something for which there is already enough evidence out there for people to conclude it is likely true (as with Obama’s earlier socialistic leanings). In debate, there are things that are often stipulated or conceded at the outset . It saves time and energy to do so and focuses the debate. And I will stick by this, so don’t ask me to prove something for which there is already sufficient evidence out there. The veteran issue was not such a case, so I obliged your request.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Towncrier — “I know what I personally observed at several universities.”

In other words, all you have is your opinion. Thanks for the concession on that point, Towncrier.

“And I don’t believe it would be hard to find evidence it happens on the Internet.”

If your standard is as low as accepting the word of others, then yes, I think your ‘evidence’ would be easy to find. But the bleating complaints of people who couldn’t hack the university environment is not ‘evidence’ to me.

“But I also know that first hand experience is unacceptable to you and that anything less than a peer reviewed and rigorously tested claim is not either. So I will leave it at that.”

Incorrect.

“You made the assertion that a certain behavior of mine (which I am still waiting for you to validate since if you don’t it shows you don’t hold to your own standards) was tiresome. Well, I also find this tact of “prove it to me” tiresome as well.”

I find your insistence on having your opinions accepted as fact to be quite tiresome. I think it hints at some inadequacy issues on your part.

“I did provide you with evidence regarding the mistreatment of veterans and you said you were going to verify the sources. How is that inquiry going?”

You didn’t provide me with “evidence.” You provided me with *assertions* purporting to *lead* to evidence. So far, the evidence is not panning out because none of the sources are available online, and I haven’t yet even found any of the evidence available in microfilm and microfiche. That means that the only way to verify the alleged ‘evidence’ is to physically travel to the newspaper offices in question and personally inspect their files. That’s not going to happen.

So, got any ACTUAL evidence?

“I am not your research assistant.”

That’s funny, considering you expect me to be *your* research assistant and verify/validate the questionable ‘evidence’ you provided earlier.

“If you don’t want to give credence to what I say, then don’t.”

I don’t, and I don’t need your permission for that, either.

“That is your choice and I am fine with it.”

If you’re so fine with it, then why do you complain about it so vehemently?

“I don’t have to be right in your eyes. But just so you know, I do not intend to footnote everything I say on this blog.”

Then don’t expect to be believed as readily as you seem to expect people to do.

“As I said before, days ago, I will provide proof of something I say if I feel it is not something for which there is already enough evidence out there for people to conclude it is likely true (as with Obama’s earlier socialistic leanings).”

Unless, of course, it deals with the as-yet unsubstantiated spitting issue. In that case, there’s no apparent evidence, but you can’t be bothered to actually provide any.

“In debate, there are things that are often stipulated or conceded at the outset . It saves time and energy to do so and focuses the debate. And I will stick by this, so don’t ask me to prove something for which there is already sufficient evidence out there. The veteran issue was not such a case, so I obliged your request.”

Fail. You need to do a better job of checking your own sources. If you had been one of my undergraduate students, you probably wouldn’t have earned a passing grade for what you turned in.