Politics, not policy, will drive transportation money
Georgia has a long, unfortunate history of making transportation decisions based on the needs and whims of politicians rather than the data-driven advice of transportation professionals.
With his appointment of Toby Carr as the state’s transportation planning director, the most important transportation job in the state, Gov. Nathan Deal has made it pretty clear that tradition isn’t going to change anytime soon.
Carr may be a fine person. However, he has no training in transportation engineering or planning. His professional background and area of expertise is in politics instead.
According to a short bio provided by the governor’s office, Carr has served as executive director of the state Republican Party. He was also executive director of Deal’s transition team.
In 2008, he was campaign coordinator for the House Republican caucus, and he also worked as a political consultant. He has bachelor degrees in finance and agricultural engineering. His only apparent background in transportation has been his service since January 2011 as Deal’s transportation policy adviser.
According to Deal spokesman Brian Robinson, that makes Carr a good pick for the job.
“The position is the governor’s advocate within the [Department of Transportation], which is governed by a separate board,” Robinson said. “Toby is very well qualified for such a job. He knows what the governor’s priorities are and he can work toward them at the DOT.”
In effect, he’s saying that the governor views the job of transportation planning director as a political rather than a policy job. And under the job description provided by Robinson, Carr is indeed well-qualified to serve as “the governor’s advocate within the DOT.”
However, that’s not how state law describes the job. Under state law, the duties of that position are far more extensive and require far more knowledge and experience in transportation planning that Carr possesses.
Statutorily, the director of transportation planning is charged with “developing the state transportation improvement program and the state-wide strategic transportation plan and coordinating transportation policies, planning, and programs related to design, construction, maintenance, operations, and financing of transportation.”
I don’t think running the state Republican Party prepares you for all that.
In addition, the director is charged with developing a statewide transportation asset management program, an asset improvement program and a local maintenance and improvement grant program. Under the Transportation Investment Act of 2010, he or she also plays a critically important role in the drafting of regional project lists to be funded with the proposed 1-percent regional transportation sales tax.
Carr’s predecessor, Todd Long, left the job a month ago to become deputy transportation commissioner. From the outside, it’s now pretty apparent that he was pushed out to make room for Carr.
And unfortunately, the contrast between the two is significant: Long has a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree in civil engineering from Georgia Tech, plus almost two decades of experience in transportation and transportation planning. His background and the credibility that it gave him were valuable as he worked with regional officials around the state to draw up project lists for the July T-Splost.
The decision to appoint Carr, on the other hand, doesn’t exactly boost voter confidence that politics won’t dictate how their transportation dollars will be spent. The revenue from that particular tax can be spent only on the projects already approved, but in general it’s not an encouraging sign.
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Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:12 am
Steve – USA: They didn’t choose to go the austerity route they were forced to do it because they simply didn’t have they money to pay their bills
In the UK, that is actually not the case. They DID have a choice. Greece may have been forced into it, but even some of the people who forced that issue are saying it was a bad idea to implement that plan. Things is, they also basically think of Greece as a spoiled child so regardless of the outcome of doing things this way, they will persist out of a need to control and punish them.
getalife
April 27th, 2012
10:12 am
stevie,
Looks like you should be upset with corrupt congress not our President.
Why do you give congress a free pass?
Brosephus™
April 27th, 2012
10:13 am
They BOTH
I was just reading some of that stuff. Funny stuff indeed. I never knew that TSA had screeners in Europe that failed to catch Richard Ramirez… err… Richard Reid.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 27th, 2012
10:13 am
“It’s funny reading how someone can find a way to blame CONSERVATIVES on a topic that’s about local transportation issues. Everybody wants to be a comedian nowadays.
There, I made you the owner of your intentions.”
Well it is a Republican appointee so the connection isn’t a stretch.
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
10:15 am
“Are you kidding? Your community organizer mirrors JC in unemployment, gas prices, Big Oil condemnation, foreign policy appeasement, economic failures, etc.”
hate to be the one to break it to you, but the “worst unemployment since 1974″ took place BEFORE HE EVEN TOOK OFFICE … so, are you saying that W is like Carter?
OPEC caused the gas crisis of the 70s, speculation is causing the current one
Big Oil Condemnation???? they’re making record profits!!! do you hear the words that are coming out of your mouth (so to speak)
Foreigh Policy Appeasement??? wtf are you talking about??? who have we “appeased” ??? Libya? Pakistan? who???
and since when is turning the economy around from heading over a cliff to positive growth a “failure”???
what an idiot.
Jefferson
April 27th, 2012
10:15 am
Vote Yes to improve the quality of life in Atlanta.
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
10:16 am
“One does not have to cheer. It is collapsing on it’s own. ”
and black = white
and up = down.
thanks for the lesson on right-wing thinking.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:17 am
stevie ray: failed to take responsibility for anything
Incorrect
failed to lead divided congress instead blaming obstructists, hope, change, guantanamo
So he wasn’t actually a Messiah like you guys on the right thought. I’m SOOOOO sorry he was so disappointing to people who didn’t and will never vote for him
I and others have been over why the above argument does not represent a failure on Obama’s part, but you guys just aren’t listening so there’s no point in repeating it.
fighting and prosecuting wall street
He did do that, actually
pushing a HC bill majority don’t want than likely won’t stand court scrutiny…
Actually the majority want everything in the bill except the mandate. You might want to look that up. It basically means the majority wants all the services and regulations, but doesn’t want to pay for it. I assume you’re one of those.
failed energy policy…
How so? Gas prices? Because those are dropping again.
Don't Tread
April 27th, 2012
10:18 am
I will agree, Todd Long should have stayed.
Now consider that we have Sotomayor and Kagan on the Supreme Court. Were there better qualified candidates that could have been chosen? Absolutely. But politics trumped qualifications in these cases, too.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:18 am
UsinUK: and since when is turning the economy around from heading over a cliff to positive growth a “failure”???
I sometimes wonder if the children of people who think this way get beatings at home every time they bring home a test that scores anything less than 100%.
kayaker 71
April 27th, 2012
10:19 am
For openers…..
The largest debt ever accumulated and unemployment is still at 8.2%, more like 12-14% if you count everyone.
Our debt now exceeds our GDP.
We still have record foreclosures and nearly 1 in every 4 homeowner is under water.
More people on food stamps than at any time in our history.
Lies….. “you can keep your doctor and your insurance plan”. “This health care bill will only cost 940B dollars”. “The stimulus will create 2 million shovel ready jobs”. “We have record drilling efforts to stabilize the price of gasoline”. “The Chevy Volt is the key to weaning us off fossil fuel dependence”. And the biggest of all…. ” If you make less than 250K/yr, your taxes will not go up a single dime”.
How do you liberals tolerate this crap?
Brosephus™
April 27th, 2012
10:19 am
williebkind
It’s funny reading how someone can find a way to blame CONSERVATIVES on a topic that’s about local transportation issues. Everybody wants to be a comedian nowadays.
Are you saying that conservatives are not responsible for this clusterf**k?? I doubt very seriously that Deal got elected due to the LIBERAL vote. Be a man and own up to your sh*t for once instead of trying to blame somebody else. You’ll get a bit more respect as a man when you own up to your own mistakes.
EJ Moosa
April 27th, 2012
10:19 am
“thanks for the lesson on right-wing thinking.”
Thanks for the lesson on the fear of cheering.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:21 am
Don’t Tread: In what way were the two justices you mentioned quantifiable more political than qualified (implying not qualified enough, but more politically viable?)? If they were all about politics, and less about qualifications than politics, how come they were confirmed when the Senate routinely filibusters and holds up all kinds of nominations?
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
10:21 am
EJ Moosa – 10:19 – no, you guys go right on cheering for the demise of the US – we see you and know you for who and what you are.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:22 am
The largest debt ever accumulated and unemployment is still at 8.2%, more like 12-14% if you count everyone.
Correction: The unemployment has gone DOWN to 8.2%, more like GONE DOWN FROM 17% to 14% if you include everyone.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:23 am
you can keep your doctor and your insurance plan
Please explain how this is a lie. Have you been forced to take a different doctor or insurance plan?
paulo 977
April 27th, 2012
10:23 am
Jay
The decision to appoint Carr, on the other hand, doesn’t exactly boost voter confidence that politics won’t dictate how their transportation dollars will be spent.
__________________________________
Come on now , this is exactly what the voters in this red state want!!!They don’t care about what is rational, fair or just . They just vote REPUBLICAN !!!
getalife
April 27th, 2012
10:23 am
They just sling poo to see what sticks.
kay,
If you want to know what real failure is google w.
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
10:23 am
Adam – 10:18 – the people who say that crap are the same ones who blame the TEACHER if the kid gets anything less than 100%
(the teacher is, after all, a government employee – they expect no less)
EJ Moosa
April 27th, 2012
10:24 am
Just as a reminder, this is what I penned almost a year ago.
“So this is what is going to turn the heat up on Obama’s goose cooking as we speak. Over the next 12 months, we will hear relentlessly about the Obama recovery. We will hear about the jobs growth we have had and the Obama administration will, of course, dismiss any ideas that it is weakening. They will say it is not where they would like it, but it is headed in the right direction. They are very wrong. By surrounding himself with people that haven’t a clue on what drives the private sector economy, there is no sense of cause and effect in the White House. So there are no efforts to address the problems we face in the economy. At least not real solutions that affect the real causes.”
http://www.nolanchart.com/article8700-obamas-goose-is-simmering.html
Even more true today.
Watch as the Obama supporters deny this is a weak GDP number. Even if it was negative, you would be defending it as better than things were.
Reality is going to be a bitter pill for many of you to swallow. But swallow it you will.
ty webb
April 27th, 2012
10:24 am
Don’t blame me, I voted for Monds(going against my obvious “racist” beliefs of course)
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:24 am
“We have record drilling efforts to stabilize the price of gasoline”
No such quote exists – from anyone – ever.
Except you, I suppose.
ty webb
April 27th, 2012
10:25 am
“Come on now , this is exactly what the voters in this red state want!!!They don’t care about what is rational, fair or just . They just vote REPUBLICAN !!!”
someone’s history book only goes back ten years or so.
Brosephus™
April 27th, 2012
10:26 am
ty
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:26 am
USinUK: Teachers need to be allowed to give students the grades they earn/deserve, without fear of parental reprisal or being fired for doing so.
But you’re right, the party of personal responsibility likes to take credit for successes they didn’t help to create, and blame everyone – anyone – else for their failures. The difference between the GOP and the Democrats in the past few election cycles is that the GOP actually HAS been at fault for bad policy, and the GOP is trying to “muddy the waters” by saying that the Democrats are just playing a blame game when they call them out for their actions.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:28 am
Saving EJ Moosa’s comments for when the economy does NOT tank for 2012 like he’s expecting it to.
EJ Moosa
April 27th, 2012
10:28 am
EJ Moosa – 10:19 – no, you guys go right on cheering for the demise of the US – we see you and know you for who and what you are.
Yes you know us as the producers in America. Thanks for the endorsement.
Your ignorance is amazing. No one is cheering the demise of America. It’s the policies of a federal government run amok, with it central planning office in DC, that we will see fail.
To expect that we would be behind policies that weaken the US in the long run is your biggest failure in the area of critical thinking.
The fact that you refuse to admit something is not working is your second.
EJ Moosa
April 27th, 2012
10:29 am
It’s already tanking Adam. You provide an excellent example of exactly the point I am making.
Thanks for making it so easy.
getalife
April 27th, 2012
10:29 am
The cons don’t get it.
The collapse caused slow growth for a decade.
Collapses have consequences cons.
You can’t ignore that fact.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:29 am
“no, you guys go right on cheering for the demise of the US – we see you and know you for who and what you are.”
Yes you know us as the producers in America.
Nice. So the people who “produce” want the economy to tank? Thanks for clearing that up….
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:30 am
EJ Moosa: It’s not tanking at all. Where do you get that idea?
Jefferson
April 27th, 2012
10:31 am
What makes anyone belive the GOP will do any different than they did before ? They ran the deficit up and borrowed money without question, so why should they be belived ? They won’t do any better and more than likely will make the situation worse with their plan.
Adam
April 27th, 2012
10:31 am
Here’s an analogy: If gas prices rise, oh say, 1 cent per month, are gas prices tanking?
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
10:32 am
“Yes you know us as the producers in America. ”
no, that’s not the word I would use.
as for cheering the demise, that’s EXACTLY what you’re doing when you declare that 2.2% growth is negative
go back to the chart I posted earlier – that is the average growth that we saw following the Bush Senior recession in the early 1990s through 2008
2.2% – good, solid growth that keeps the economy from becoming overheated. It’s based on consumer spending with a decrease in the government contribution. what’s not to like?
just because you don’t LIKE the policies doesn’t mean that the policies are weakening the US … it just means that you don’t like them.
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:34 am
“Occupy Movement types without jobs.”
Quit spitting on veterans.
And not just me.
ty webb
April 27th, 2012
10:36 am
“Occupy Movement types without jobs.”
in their defense, it’s rather hard to get a job with public defecation and rape on your resume.
JohnnyReb
April 27th, 2012
10:38 am
I am concerned you Moonbats may not be preparing yourself mentality for the big smack-down of Obama coming from SCOTUS?
Are you ready for a ruling against Obamacare, supporting the AZ immigration bill, and, rumor has it, something is in-work over Fast & Furious plus failing to prosecute the new black panthers on the voting place intimidation.
carlosgvv
April 27th, 2012
10:38 am
Since this is an election year, Obama and the Democrats will do everything in their power to improve things in America. By the same token, Boehner and the Republicans will do everything in their power to cause Obama and the Democrats to fail. Is there anyone here still naive enough to be surprised to see Republicans put Party above the welfare of the people?
Don't Tread
April 27th, 2012
10:39 am
“it’s rather hard to get a job with public defecation and rape on your resume.”
Don’t forget arson.
kayaker 71
April 27th, 2012
10:40 am
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the US Government can’t pay it’s bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Govt’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here”. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. America deserves better”
Senator Barak Hussein Obama
March, 2006
Read the above very carefully, liberals. Then read it again. This is Mr. Cool talking. And you are going to vote to put this clown back into office?
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:40 am
And ty just loves spitting on veterans. He does it every chance he gets.
Must have learned supporting the troops from his paragon of courage, Slut & Prostitute Limbaugh…
Jefferson
April 27th, 2012
10:41 am
Dang John, I though you was a moonbat and you are calling folks moonbats, my bad I guess. For the record, what are you ?
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:41 am
Here ya go Tread, spit on these guys…
http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/user/20/ows_veterans2_ap_img.jpg
getalife
April 27th, 2012
10:41 am
“And you are going to vote to put this clown back into office?”
Nah, we will not vote gop.
You should know that by now.
The Thin Guy
April 27th, 2012
10:42 am
If being qualified for a job were important to Jay Bookman and his Midtown Munchkins they wouldn’t support ØDumbø who is simply a particularly egregious amalgamation of The Peter Principle and Affirmative Action. When Governor Sonny ran for gov he said one of the first things he would do when he took office would be to synchronize all the red lights in Atlanta. So, as I drive to work today (work is something you have to do when you don’t get a government check and can blog all day), I will marvel at the precise and transparent traffic signal system which would make a Swiss watch look like a sundial situated in a cave. Time to Wok the Dog.
yuzeyurbrane
April 27th, 2012
10:42 am
In weighing the merits and demerits of the T-Splost vote, the large number of pork projects it contains have now become an even bigger demerit.
Oscar
April 27th, 2012
10:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XRNQ2C2×0&feature=related
Doggone/GA
April 27th, 2012
10:42 am
“in their defense, it’s rather hard to get a job with public defecation and rape on your resume”
And it’s really hard to be taken seriously when all you have is ugly to fall back on
Brosephus™
April 27th, 2012
10:43 am
Yes you know us as the producers in America. Thanks for the endorsement.
Your ignorance is amazing. No one is cheering the demise of America. It’s the policies of a federal government run amok, with it central planning office in DC, that we will see fail.
So, the “producers” in America are cheering for it’s downfall all because of policies put in place that don’t allow people to pillage and burn with impunity…. Ok… We’ve already seen the human nature when placed in a loosly regulated capitalistic system. Greed IS one of the seven deadly sins.
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:43 am
What a shame you big bad brave neocons weren’t in NYC back then. You could have spit on a ton of troops at one time…
Thousands of U.S. military veterans are heeding the rallying cry of Occupy Wall Street, saying corporate contractors in Iraq made big money while the troops defending them came home — and can’t make a living now.
“For too long, our voices have been silenced, suppressed and ignored in favor of the voices of Wall Street and the banks and the corporations,” said Joseph Carter, a 27-year-old Iraq war veteran who marched Wednesday to Zuccotti Park, the epicenter of the movement that has spread worldwide.
The former Army sergeant from Seattle spoke to fellow Occupy protesters and passersby on Broadway after joining about 100 veterans marching in uniform from the Vietnam Veterans Plaza through Manhattan’s financial district nearby.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 27th, 2012
10:43 am
jamvet found a picture of a couple of soldiers at an Occupy rally and now he thinks the Occupy movement is movement by Veterans.
LMAO
JohnnyReb
April 27th, 2012
10:43 am
New documentary on the way about “Occupy.” Seems it was funded by Soros organizations and SEIU as a reaction to the Tea Party. Violence, including rape, property destruction, drugs, defacating/urinating in public, trashing everything they touched, and meetings on making violence.
Yea, a bunch Obama, Nancy, Harry and the like think is great. The Occupy childern were useful idiots to put the class warfare scenario into place for Obama to use to divide the nation since he can’t run on his record.
How do you continue to support the guy? Do you hate Republicans that much?
ty webb
April 27th, 2012
10:45 am
Jamvet,
no, I appreciate all veterans for their service. Though their service alone doesn’t exclude them for criticism for their actions later in life…and the occusquatters aren’t all veterans.
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:46 am
“The Occupy childern (sic) were useful idiots…”
Another never-served manchild who hates veterans.
Veteran unemployment rate outstrips the national average and is expected to worsen. They worry about preservation of First Amendment rights. And they’re angry.
A week before Veterans Day, generations of former U.S. military men and women threw their considerable weight behind the Occupy movement born in mid-September when about 100 protesters also marched in the Wall Street area.
“For 10 years, we have been fighting wars that have enriched the wealthiest 1 percent, decimated our economy and left our nation with a generation of traumatized and wounded veterans that will require care for years to come,” said Carter, who leads the national Iraq Veterans Against the War group.
SupportSpit on the Troops.Butch Cassidy
April 27th, 2012
10:46 am
EJ Moosa – “Yes you know us as the producers in America”
Not only am I retired, but since most of my income is derived from sheltered investments, I don’t pay any capitol gains taxes, which in effect makes me one of the dreaded 47%. The conundrum, is that becuase I’m “well off” I’m automatically classified as a job creator or “producer” yet I create and produce nothing more than more income for myself.
So EJ, am I OWS or am I a producer?
Jm
April 27th, 2012
10:47 am
Occupy is the new communist party
ty webb
April 27th, 2012
10:47 am
Jamvet,
Care to site the source of that propaganda in your 10:43?
Mick
April 27th, 2012
10:48 am
reb
Class warfare is fiction…it’s over..the rich have and always will, win. What’s disappointing is their water carrying minions from the lower class – blind obedience…
JohnnyReb
April 27th, 2012
10:48 am
JamVet – I put in 4 years in the USAF during the Vietman war, so stuff that crap where the sun does not shine.
Any veterns participating in the Occupy movement are misguided souls being used, unfortunately, as useful idiots by Obama supporters.
commoncents
April 27th, 2012
10:48 am
Hiring someone who is not qualified for a job is not just a Republican/Democrat problem, and it’s not limited to GA, either.
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:50 am
“no, I appreciate all veterans for their service.”
Sure. Your gratitude is both overwhelming and obvious.
You slander them with all sorts of vile names and malicious lies.
And you are not worthy of shining those combat veterans boots.
SupportSpit on the Troops.JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:51 am
Reb, it obviously makes you feel superior, so go ahead.
SupportSpit on Fellow Veterans and the Troops.carlosgvv
April 27th, 2012
10:52 am
After a careful review, I find the observations and comments of all you “compassionate conservatives” about as interesting as last year’s snow.
JohnnyReb
April 27th, 2012
10:52 am
Mick – are you familiar with the saying, ” you can’t fight city hall? In effect, it means you can’t fight the money. Most middle class don’t even realize to use our legal system it takes more money than they can pay.
Butch Cassidy
April 27th, 2012
10:52 am
JohnnyReb – “Any veterns participating in the Occupy movement are misguided souls being used, unfortunately, as useful idiots by Obama supporters.”
I’m sure the same thing was said about Colonials when they dared to go up against King George.
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
10:54 am
Bloomberg Business Week.
Could you possibly be any lazier?
Peadawg
April 27th, 2012
10:54 am
JamVet, spit on the troops? Really dude? You f*king sick. Take that crap somewhere else.
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
10:54 am
Brocephus – 10:43
remember:
pillage BEFORE you burn.
JohnnyReb
April 27th, 2012
10:54 am
JamVet – I am a member of the DAV Commanders Club. If you think that is spitting on veterans, then you are hopelessly lost.
Oscar
April 27th, 2012
10:55 am
carlosgvv
April 27th, 2012
10:52 am
_______
No, I think last year’s snow is much more interesting.
commoncents
April 27th, 2012
10:55 am
Carlosgvv @ 12:52 – “After a careful review, I find the observations and comments of all you “compassionate conservatives” about as interesting as last year’s snow.”
Interestingly enough, aren’t all the “compassionate liberals” still writing reports and making movies based on that snow?
Brosephus™
April 27th, 2012
10:58 am
Any veterns participating in the Occupy movement are misguided souls being used, unfortunately, as useful idiots by Obama supporters.
So, any veteran that chooses to express their 1st Amendment rights and don’t toe what you think should be the “veteran line” are misguided souls being used as useful idiots? Interesting idea. That seems quite logical when one supports a party and ideology that requires everybody to march in lockstep with each other and straying from the ideology is not tolerated. However, this is America, and people have the right to speak out on whatever they personally choose to. You don’t dictate what veterans can speak out about any more than JamVet does.
Oscar
April 27th, 2012
10:58 am
Mick
April 27th, 2012
10:48 am
___
Class warfare is not over. It will go on forever. Always been here. Sometimes the poor win, but then they become the rich and it continues.
History is the story of velvet slippers going downstairs and rough boots going upstairs.
Brosephus™
April 27th, 2012
10:59 am
USinner
That’s why I was failed by the “producers”. I burned everything to the ground.
Oscar
April 27th, 2012
11:02 am
sephus™
April 27th, 2012
10:59 am
__________
Always thought you were too impulsive.
TaxPayer
April 27th, 2012
11:04 am
I see the compassionate conservatives are back to posting their hate rhetoric about fellow citizens exercizing their constitutional rights. Go ahead and produce those court documents detailing all of their criminal offenses, conned.
I’d like to see your comparison of criminal offenses per one thousand occupiers per year to that of other similarly populated areas. Show us your math skills.
Bruno
April 27th, 2012
11:04 am
For those who voted for Deal, you’re getting what you voted for. Corruption in… corruption out.
Brosephus–In case you forgot, the Democratic opponent for Deal was Roy Barnes. Roy’s solution to our state’s transportation problems when he was Governor was to build an Outer Perimeter across North GA. That project was abandoned only after it was revealed that many of King Roy’s big money campaign contributors coincidentally owned huge tracts of land along the proposed route.
Now, I realize that seeking context is waaaay beyond the scope of most of the Libs here, but I think you’re a bigger person than that. Corruption and cronyism runs both ways in this state.
JohnnyReb
April 27th, 2012
11:04 am
Brosephus – just because someone joins a movement and uses their first amendment rights does not automatically mean they are not being a useful idiot.
The Occupy Movement did not just sprout up on its own
It was put in place by Obama supporters to counter the Tea Party and create a narrative for Obama because he can’t run on his record.
Any thoughts of Occupy being some patriotic movement for economic equality is wishful thinking and participation as a useful idiot.
Oscar
April 27th, 2012
11:05 am
Are people on here argueing about whether it is ok to spit on veterans? Really?
Butch Cassidy
April 27th, 2012
11:05 am
Bro – “I burned everything to the ground. ”
“What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”
Brosephus™
April 27th, 2012
11:06 am
Oscar
At my pillage and burn final, this was my performance…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XchwE9zVdnw
Jm
April 27th, 2012
11:06 am
When Deal is up for re-election, Georgians will have to seriously ask themselves why they would re elect Deal
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
11:07 am
Reb,
You are a perfect neocon. And dittohead.
You and your pals denigrate combat veterans – or is it phony soldiers? – constantly. You call them tools, rapists, arsonists and then tell everyone what a great friend of veterans you are.
With “friends” and “supporters” like you and ty and host of other fake conservatives, who amongst combat veterans, need enemies?
You quasi-fascists just need to quit laying loogeys on those veterans for exercising their god given American right to protest exercise free speech.
They are patriots.
Try being one yourself.
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
11:08 am
mmmmmmmm … lamentations … and bacon
ty webb
April 27th, 2012
11:09 am
following Jamvet’s(D-apologist) theorem…anyone criticizing Governor Deal for his transportation policies, is in fact, “spitting” on a veteran.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 27th, 2012
11:11 am
Roy’s solution to our state’s transportation problems when he was Governor was to build an Outer Perimeter across North GA. That project was abandoned only after it was revealed that many of King Roy’s big money campaign contributors coincidentally owned huge tracts of land along the proposed route.
The Outer Perimeter will eventually be built, just like the GA. 400 extension was built after it too was abandoned.
Oscar
April 27th, 2012
11:12 am
utch Cassidy
April 27th, 2012
11:05 am
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Sounds like something our of Joshua or Lamentations.
Bruno
April 27th, 2012
11:12 am
When Deal is up for re-election, Georgians will have to seriously ask themselves why they would re elect Deal
Jm–It might help if the Dems could find a decent candidate to give folks a choice. I’ve voted for many, many Democrats at the state and local level.
Oscar
April 27th, 2012
11:14 am
GOP has too much of a majority in Georgia at present, and will have for a few more years. Deal is pretty safe.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 27th, 2012
11:15 am
JamVet – Spitting on Veteran’s is pretending you speak for all of them.
Peadawg
April 27th, 2012
11:15 am
“Are people on here argueing about whether it is ok to spit on veterans? Really?”
JamVet’s the one spouting that garbage.
Bruno
April 27th, 2012
11:16 am
The Outer Perimeter will eventually be built, just like the GA. 400 extension was built after it too was abandoned.
At the time, Kam, I thought the Outer Perimeter idea was worth looking into. I believe it was defeated due to its immense cost along with protests from homeowners who were afraid their property values would plummet. But, I again think it’s worth mentioning that the level of corruption/cronyism under Barnes wasn’t much different than under Deal.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 27th, 2012
11:17 am
“Are people on here argueing about whether it is ok to spit on veterans? Really?”
*facepalm* Get a clue would you.
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
11:18 am
More
useful idiotsarsonist and rapists for ya, Reb and ty.In NY.
http://tinyurl.com/cwlsco5
In Michigan.
http://www.nilesstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/111112OccupyVeterans3.jpg
Bruno
April 27th, 2012
11:18 am
Jam–I see you’re back in form this AM. I hope the Greg Lake concert last night gave you a brief respite from your angst.
PB gave Greg high marks for his musicianship, and she’s an extremely tough critic. ( I know, I know, then what is she doing with me??)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt-sfNULEzE
Mark in mid-town
April 27th, 2012
11:22 am
2.2% growth is below-trend growth and terrible by any historic measure for this stage of an economic recovery.
USinUK
April 27th, 2012
11:22 am
ooooooooo … Greg Lake??? holy moly – was he still on form?
JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...
April 27th, 2012
11:22 am
Steve.
Take it up with your veteran slurring pals, Reb and ty.
Or don’t, and just agree with them that they are misguided souls being used and useful idiots…
JohnnyReb
April 27th, 2012
11:24 am
JamVet – I don’t know what alternate universe you reside. All the Conservatives I know praise veterans in general. That includes the Conservative radio and TV shows.
You seem to be under some misguided notion that anything a veteran chooses to participate in is genuinely worthwhile.
You are one of the most misguided do-gooders I read on this blog.
This is my last response to you on this. You need help.