Paul Ryan erases Ayn Rand from the picture

And the cons will buy it….

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This calls for the “tried and true” Doobie Bros classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7-BBADPAvE

Guess someone must have told Ryan that she was an atheist as well as a meth head……………..

He might have forgiven the meth……………

hahahahaa

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It is fiction not reality.

willard will probably flip flop on the ryan plan.

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thanks, Jay – your post gives me a chance to dust off this classic:

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

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“do these angry christian conservatives ever think about anything other than punishing the poor?”

beat them with their bootstraps???

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“Giving people back more of their own money” sounds AWESOME…….HOWEVER…..GW Bush and the Tea Party have tried that over the past 11 years…..AND IT HAS FAILED…..

With these HUGE deficits….Now is not the time to try a RECKLESS AND RISKY TAX CUT SCHEME…!!!!

What we need is a good, sound, proven, responsible tax policy, like the one under President Clinton, to restore this country to FISCAL DISCIPLINE…!!!!!!

If United States citizens do not understand this and vote in November to continue reckless, risky, and irresponsible tax policy (that has created NO growth nor jobs), we will be forced to resort to Socialism in order to sustain the economy…..

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Anybody remember the name we settled on for a group of Rand followers?

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Ryan is the perfect VP canidate for Romney. Both of them are flip-flopping worse than a fish out of water.

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What light through yon hypocrite’s window doth flicker!

I do think young Ryan is auditioning for Veep by sharing his Etch-A-Sketch.

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“do these angry christian conservatives ever think about anything other than punishing the poor?”

Well, if Romney wins and adopts the Ryan budget plan , you can add punishing the elderly to punishing the poor.

In fact , the only segment of society( And you can include the military) that will not get punished will be wealthy. The only thing Ryan will cut of theirs is their taxes.

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The video is a fake!!!!!!!! It’s an attempt to discredit a fine and upstanding member of Congress who’s trying to do what’s right for America.

Just though I’d get that one out of the way for Rag n ‘nem.

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The etch-a-sketch party.

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mm –

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“A token raise in taxes on the “rich” will not cut it”

And a token raise in taxes on the poor won’t cut it either.

So the middle class will continue to carry the load until corporations start paying their fair share.

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Dear Both @ 12:34 downstairs, good afternoon. Ayn Rand does not need my “defense” – unlike leftist thinkers, her writing stands on its own, does not require a cheerleader. She will continue to be read 50 years after people have forgotten the name “Noam Chomsky” (I suppose he is the last leftist theorist standing?)

When I had my then-middle-school sons read “Atlas,” I counseled them that the book was brilliant but not perfect in its thesis, and later explained its ethical limitations in language they could understand. Ryan – and almost any other thinking conservative – probably sees it that way too. Leftists do not routinely engage in critical thought, more of a “four legs good, two legs bad” level of analysis.

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I still can’t get over the gop putting their radical agenda on paper.

Most of the gop running for election are throwing ryan under the bus knowing it is a sure loser.

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I don’t think rag can determine fiction from reality.

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Rag

“Mary Had a Little Lamb” and “Little Red Riding Hood” has been read millions of times as well and will be for years and years……. Does that make it true based on number of times read?

Why is Ryan attempting to deny Rand? It is not the “left’s” words, but his own

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As I have mentioned before, FDR had spoken of a “Second Bill of Rights for all Americans.” Eleanor Roosevelt modeled her own message, entitled, “Universal Declaration of Human Rights,” of which she spoke and advocated throughout the world via the United Nations, upon her husband’s Second Bill of Rights proposal for all Americans.

Their visions, for America and for the world community, contrast with Paul Ryan’s views and with the social agenda of most other current day Republicans.

Please view that part of FDR’s message from his last inaugural address, which is commonly referred to as “FDR’s Second Bill of Rights Speech,” on YouTube in the link, below.

What American would not support what FDR proposes? Roosevelt’s last line: “For unless there is security here at home, there cannot be lasting peace in the world.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4

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mr, wrong,

Our President proposed budgets but after they passed w’s budgets to give us our huge deficit, they will not pass our President’s budget so they can fight over it

congress is to blame as usual.

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“the party of NO BUDGET”

Q. Why don’t you cons grow up and stop with the lies and nonsense?

A. Because if you did, nobody would vote for your party.

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if government is soooo bad {according to gop} why does MILQUETOAST MITT want the top government job?

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hmmm, when was the last time the senate even tried to pass a budget?

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Ryan for VP
Don’t you have to be older than 12 to be VP?

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I read Rand in college,complete rubbish.

Franklee, I bought Anus Shrugged in paperback years ago and tried to read it. Twice.

It was so insufferably awful that I could not get past 50 pages either time. Seriously…

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carlossgvv 1:05

PUBLIC ENEMY has an album called FEAR OF A BLACK PLANET!…lol

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Dear mm @ 12:59, you err in your assumption than any conservative cares about “credibility” with leftists.

Dear Both @ 1:00 and 1:02, one perceives you have not read Atlas – otherwise you would understand my post. I think almost any conservative would agree with what I wrote, save those whose egos are so weak that they think they have to pander to leftists. I do not assign such to Ryan in his critique – sounds like my thoughts too.

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From Conserva wiki whatever pedia

“Ragnar Danneskjöld (born 1980), in Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged, was a philosopher who became a privateer. Alone he defied the might of the United States Navy and of all the People’s Navies of the world to be, as he famously said, “the friend of the friendless.”

Our wittle pirate!

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Apologies, typo spoiled the laugh, “ouvre”

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99% of rightwingers never read RANDS book, they just repeat the gop talking points. just like the “constitutional scholars” that have cropped up since a black man took office in the white house.

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“NO BUDGET NEEDED?”

Now you’re catching up! A federal budget is just out outline of intentions. It has no power and no force. What REALLY matters are allocation bills.

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Rags

I have Atlas and what the world will become if all the “producers” are taken away or somehow no longer “producing”………..

Your point about how many time it was read or for how many years……. was pointless

One can point to all sort of books for any designation you pick and say the same.

And just an FYI….. the world is not just made up of conservatives………. just so you know

You know as well as I that Ryan is being a fool to back peddle and surely looks like a fool

Looks no different than any pandering, flip flopping politician in any political party

I do hope he is Romney’s VP choice

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rags, you forced your middle-school sons to read that tripe?

Jeebus!

You should have been giving them Swift, Verne, Johann David Wyss, Robert Louis Stevenson, Tolkien, Twain and Kipling.

Lemme guess, you made them read Flannery O’Connor too…

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Dear Both @ 1:15, your post still sounds like a cliff’s notes version, does not reflect acquaintance with the first 600 pages, which for me is the heart of the book. No offense intended.

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JamVet – Stay ignorant, my friends…

April 27th, 2012
1:08 pm

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Good move. I read the whole thing and all it did was get worse.

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AMZN is up 16%. I think investors like what they saw. The Interwebs is definitely still the place to be for growth.

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“House Passes Student Loan Bill That Cuts Women’s Health Program” Aol.

No war on women?

Yeah, right.

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mm

April 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
“A token raise in taxes on the “rich” will not cut it”

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Nobody ever said that was all that is needed. But it will help. Together with cuts in defense and reducing waste in medicare.

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Dear Getalife @ 1:22, good afternoon, “Do you know what fiction means?” Sure, “hope and change.”

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Jay must know something I don’t know. He states that Ryan’s budget will result in brutal cuts in services to the poor and others without mentioning a single example. Please Jay, enlighten us with your grasp of the facts. Just how much in dollars will be cut from the current cost of the programs you claim the Ryan budget will cut. Please identify the programs, the dollars to be cut, and exactly when the cuts will take place. Otherwise the are just urban myths.

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ragnar

What a sterile life it must be if you need to pay someone to read a book…

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TM… “President’s mentor is Robin Hood, steal from the rich and give to the poor”

Actually Robin Hood took from the King (read government) and gave to the over taxed poor. If Robin were here today, he would raid the IRS, the Fedral Reserve and the White House..

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i didnt read RAND growing up but i did read HUSTLER magazine. are they similar?

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TM – that is actually a pretty good example. Robin Hood stood up to and fought back against those that tried to impose onto the poor their taxes & their values, while creating a no-way out situation for the poor & beliving that such things shouldn’t affect the wealthy.

GOP & the robin-hood story evil king of england have a lot in common.

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Paul Ryan, and many other Republicans, have drawn a false dichotomy for Americans. Ryan writes, “Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did a fantastic job explaining the morality of capitalism, the morality of individualism. . .”

One can be both an individual, and even a leader in innovations that express one’s talents, and also be the beneficiary of society’s social programs, which benefit all. Being the beneficiary of social programs, which enhance the human rights of all, does not mean that one is less free to express his or her “individualism.”

Moreover, the people, themselves, should decide, through their votes, what they want from their government and what they want their government to be. They are, in fact, their government – a representative government. As Jefferson had said (paraphrased), “When the people change, the laws (and even the Constitution) should be changed to accommodate their emerging sensibilities.”

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More evidence that we need to do away with hate crimes laws:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/detroit-tigers-outfielder-delmon-1427181.html

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ir(rational)

No everyone in life doesn’t go with the flow…… some do question even their own ideology

Try it sometime……………

I was referring to the left / right paradigm that many on this board, Rags being one of those on the right, who can’t see outside that prism or elect not too……… yet will call someone else a “tool”

What other clarification do you need?

Will respond when I get back

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ir(Rational)

I will make it simple……….. “pot calling the kettle black”

peace

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Dear get @ 1:25, the younger one can still quote long passages from the book by memory. Scary, except that his photographic memory is on display daily with the Navy also. We can agree that a leftist would have merely taken the money – that is not a conservative trait.

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LIberalefty

Where are the jobs? Well I’m working one right now….So’s my wife.

Now you answer…Where is the cutting the deficit in half we were promised? The new most transparent government ever? Hmmmm Hmmmmmm…..?anybody

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Dear Both @ 1:31, we will agree that a “foolish consistency the hobgoblin of little minds” but you may not understand that phrase if you think it condemns intellectual consistency.

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The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman’s bond in light of recent revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite

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actually there is a good “liberal/socialist” novel that is a MUST read. It is Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle (1906). It exposed conditions in the U.S. meat packing industry, causing a public uproar that contributed in part to the passage a few months later of the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act.

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Dear Mick @ 1:28, we can agree that leftists think the right of free contract would be a symptom of a sterile life. I made an offer to my kids for an intellectual exercise, they accepted. Only a leftist would condemn teaching children principles of business law.

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“It would be hard to find such a display of grotesque eccentricity outside an asylum. Galt is really arguing for a dictatorship.” — Adam Kirsch, The Los Angeles Times

“Perfect in its immorality” — Gore Vidal

“Longer than life and twice as preposterous” — anonymous.

“Makes well-poisoning seem like one of the kindlier arts” — anonymous.

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@james thomas

i’m working too, but i bought up jobs because the gop is complaining that the unemployment is somehow the presidents fault. and who cares about deficits? thats just a number and we dont even know if its true or not…the deficit could be trillions or it could be zero. we only know what they tell us.

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Dear Thyra @ 1:46, I respectfully disagree. “Jungle” was poor journalism, and mostly untrue. A better reflection of old-school “liberalism” – and one I similarly encouraged my sons to read – was Sinclair Lewis’s “Arrowsmith.” A Nobel prize winner no longer on reading lists, but it accurately and sympathetically presents the desirability, and potential heartbreak, of a compassionate soul.

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JamVet – Stay ignorant, my friends…

April 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
I read Rand in college,complete rubbish.

Franklee, I bought Anus Shrugged in paperback years ago and tried to read it. Twice.

It was so insufferably awful that I could not get past 50 pages either time. Seriously…
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Your good to get to 50 pages.

I stopped around 25.

It reminded me of when you ask someone “is it raining outside”? and 15 meandering minutes later they get around to saying “yes”.

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You know… The curse of being President is you get the blame for things beyond your reach. But you also get credit for things you have nothing to do with. It’s part of the job no matter who is in office. The current administration and liberal supporters just seem to be a bit more thin skinned than administrations in the past…….Whatever happened to the buck stops here. That sign must have been lost over the years.

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The left keeps saying the rich need to pay their fair share, can you please quantify what that fair share would be?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHL404zhcU

The above is a link to an “urban myth” when Obama matter of factly states that under his energy plan energy cost will sky rocket. This is the same Obama who says, with help from his suporters, that he can’t control energy prices! In this clip he estimates that his policy will cost the average household around $3900 per year. Well Mr. President, your oil policy has us about half way there.

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Doggone – I figured out how to “scam” the system early. I love reading, and feel somewhat lost when I run out of books to read, so I never had to be “bribed” to read. My sister, she would read now, but nobody pays her.

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TM

April 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
and our President’s mentor is Robin Hood, steal from the rich and give to the poor.
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Wrong

Robin Hood stole from taxman and gave BACK to the taxpayer.

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“so I never had to be “bribed” to read.”

Me either. I did sometimes have to be bribed to stop reading and go outside and play. Then I figured out I would ride my bike clear across Harrisburg, PA to the state library to get REALLY interesting books…so did both in one fell swoop!

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liberalefty

April 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
am i the only one tired of the faux individualistic bs spouted by all career politicians? these career bs artists have been on the government dole for decades while telling everybody how bad the government is

I fixed this for you

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99% of rightwingers never read RANDS book

Here’s a quote from Ayn Rand: “Damn conservatives.”

Speaks volumes I think. Oh, and Saul Alinsky? Right wingers like his tactics more right now than left wingers. Just sayin. The GOP, aka Party of Psychological Projection, needs to look in the mirror.

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Looks like more bad news for Obama (GDP growth). I think that by November, the electorate will be so tired of all the negative headlines about Obama and his administration, he could lose by a landslide, much like dems did in the mid-terms of 2010. Not so much a vote for Romney than a vote against Obama.

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House Passes Student Loan Bill That Cuts Women’s Health Program

Still trying the same old tricks to pretend they are for something when they are really against it, by extracting some other thing from Democrats (or trying to) in a “deal.”

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There was a time right after I read Atlas Shrugged for the first time, that I thought it was the end all and be all of of political and critical thought. Of course that was before puberty so I didn’t have much life experience.

It didn’t take me long to see that Ayn Rand was pretty much shot out and living in fantasy land. Of course at that time I didn’t know it was METH LAND.

I always find it quite amusing how the God and Goddess of the NEO-Con movement are two huge f’ing drug addicts……… Rushie and Ayn……….. The Upper and the Downer. The yin and the yang as it were lol. Just goes to show that it takes a kook are a drug addict to think like they do……..

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Great hatchet job on Paul Ryan…well deserved..He can’t have it both ways….

To be fair, this story is popping up EVERYWHERE. Because just about everyone knows he’s a liar on this one.

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JamVet – Stay ignorant, my friends…
April 27th, 2012
2:03 pm

Here is an idea. Instead of raising taxes on the rich, why not lower the taxes for everyone else.

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Can each of you here borrow $200,000 for every living person in your household and send it to the feds since that is your fair share of the debt and you all think the current admin has it right. You will still owe some because by the time they receive and process your check, it will have gone up.
It’s not about punishing the poor, it’s about sanity and living within our means. While Bookman smears the only guy who at least has the guts to offer up a plan, our debt continues to spiral out of control. And the guy in the White House wants to speed up our descent over the cliff and the Reid Senate refuses to put forth a plan so people can see where they are taking us but this is good according to the great seer who writes this blog. Our debt probably increased by a billion dollars while he wrote this column. Yeah, that makes sense, just keep to the course even if we don’t know where we are going.

Just my opinion.

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Me either. I did sometimes have to be bribed to stop reading and go outside and play. Then I figured out I would ride my bike clear across Harrisburg, PA to the state library to get REALLY interesting books…so did both in one fell swoop!

LOL Not me, either one. I would play until forced to come in then read until forced into bed. At that point I did the flashlight under the covers thing. Of course I had 6 or seven hours of good reading time everyday that school was in session. I used my class time to read books.

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Fabulous. Never read the book. I just love how politicians explain away earlier protestations when the wind changes. I love more how people like Jay catch them doing it and tell the world about it.

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Always nice to see folks criticize that which they cannot grasp.

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I was ten or eleven when I read Herman Wouk’s “The Winds of War” for the first time. Wow. While it was historical fiction, the author did a great job of putting the reader into many pairs of shoes to show how personal war can be. Self-serving politicians start them. Other people’s lives are forever changed.

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JamVet – Stay ignorant, my friends…

If Buffet’s secretary is paying 35%, she is a very well paid secretary. I think you pulled that one out of the air.

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And it looks like Obama has not impressed the SCOTUS with his incredible wisdom yet. Maybe they didn’t see him on Kimmel the other night?

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“I just took the books to the woods and would spend the afternoon chilling on a fallen tree, reading”

Well, that wasn’t so much an option for me. The only woods nearby (I was raised a city girl) weren’t safe for girls to be in alone.

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adam…
the no budget needed comment was in response to a previous post..

second…
still waiting on where you came up with the reason obama won the nobel prize.. a few posts yesterday that you never responded to.. in summation.. the noble committee was vague to say the least.

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Adam,

We are talking credible news sources here, not HuffPo and Media Matters.

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“Always nice to see folks criticize that which they cannot grasp”

And it funny to see folks touting that which they cannot grasp.

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Here is an idea. Instead of raising taxes on the rich, why not lower the taxes for everyone else.

Because that does not help increase revenue. It in fact decreases it and gives the right more of a reason to attack the other programs that help reduce poverty and hunger.

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Adam
April 27th, 2012
2:13 pm

“One supposedly negative headline out of hundreds of others that show positive economic news?”

you mean.. several negative facts.. out of hundreds of news opinions?

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Where is this blog’s ombudsman?:

theatlanticwire.com/technology/2012/04/what-kind-klouchebag-are-you/51655/

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Mad Max: It’s not about punishing the poor, it’s about sanity and living within our means

Our means are adjustable, very much UNLIKE any analogy you can come up with. It’s one thing to say we shouldn’t spend tons of money on nothing. it’s another thing to declare any and all government programs that the poor depend on as having little to no value, and therefore need to be cut, all the while proclaiming the added value of even further tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and sometimes EVEN suggesting we raise taxes on the poor.

Personally, I would be fine with either rolling back all of the Bush Tax Cuts, OR having a hard line policy of “No New Tax Cuts.” The latter is a “well, if one side can’t RAISE taxes, then the other side isn’t allowed to LOWER them either.”

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ragnar danneskjold

April 27th, 2012
2:15 pm

Funny essay, we know how leftists look at us normal people:
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You aren’t a normal person. Normal people don’t espouse the trash that you espouse, not even Republicans. Normal people aren’t supportive of child, slave labor. Normal people find the notion of starving folks to death while others feast on caviar repugnant.

You really SHOULD read the tripe you write and evaluate it’s content. If you are no more “normal’ than Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Kaczynski.

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Obama’s threatening to veto the student loan bill now? THIS is one of the reasons I’m voting for STABILITY and not necessarily for Obama (damn he gets on my nerves sometimes) in November.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-veto-republican-student-loan-bill-says-white-160233278.html

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Doggone/GA
April 27th, 2012
2:18 pm

“Why do you even care? The money didn’t come out of YOUR pocket, did it?”

just showing a pattern of ignorance..

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“THIS is one of the reasons I’m voting for STABILITY and not necessarily for Obama (damn he gets on my nerves sometimes) in November.”

And hell if if vetoes this student loan bill I may not even vote for him seeing as it affects my wife and I directly.

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Stop the war on college students, Obama and Senate Democrats. Vote for this bill and DON”T veto it!

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(ir)Rational: I realize it is somewhat silly to ask you this, but did you bother reading the article attached to that? It cut funding from part of the ACA, not specifically to a part that funded women’s health care either. Well, not a part that only funded women’s health care. It was for a preventative health care fund that was for cancer screenings and what not. Having said that, it isn’t much better, but it isn’t the “war on women” that it is being portrayed as by certain news outlets. Also, what exactly is wrong with paying for something before you “buy” it, or finding a way to pay for it?

I was not aware of ALL the specifics, but I knew it was an ACA cut. It’s still extracting something from Democrats in order to get something they want, which in this case is an attack on the ACA.

Nothing wrong with wanting to fund something. HOW you do it makes a load of difference. Do we not value preventative care enough to fund that? Do we value tax cuts for the rich and the Department of Defense MORE than we value safety net programs that help reduce poverty and hunger? I would like to think we do not have the latter value, but it seems the GOP DOES have that value judgment based on their votes and proposed policies.

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Doggone/GA – 2:07

The easy part is saying they should pay at least the percentage the middle-class pays.

The next to impossible part is finding politicians with the stones to make them pay it.

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@working man

yeah WARREN BUFFET is definitely broke

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For anyone who is thinking about going into a military combat unit, I would strongly suggest reading All Quiet On The Western Front first.

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Mick

April 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
ragnar

What a sterile life it must be if you need to pay someone to read a book…
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I used to pay my daughter $5 for every book she read over the summer.

Now, she goes through about 4 books per month.

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…Simply put, it’s disingenuous to claim that the Congressional Budget Office’s analysis shows the president’s policies hurt the economy, based on a comparison with an unrealistic current law baseline. Even the House-passed budget of Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan—despite its draconian spending cuts—has somewhat higher debt over the next decade than the budget’s current-law projections. Compared to current policy, however, the president’s budget would boost the economy more in the short run and promote stronger growth in the long run.

Well there is that.

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(ir)Rational: Compromise is what politics is supposed to be about, not blackmail. There IS a difference.

Now, if as Peadawg says, the cut is one that Obama proposed in his own 2013 budget, then I do wonder what his objection is. It might just be political games on his part, and then he’ll sign the bill anyway, if he’s already getting two things he wants.

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Working Man@2:24, Why waste the gasoline? You can just bring up the blog and point them out to your younger members from the comfort of home.

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Adam – Politics is all about blackmail. You can call it compromise if that makes it more palatable for you, but a rose by any other name is still a rose. I wouldn’t really be surprised if it is all political games though, EVERYTHING seems to be a game to the idiots in Washington.

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Peadawg: It’s fine to assert that in an article but that’s not evidence. I mean what does it mean to cut into the same fund, and what proof is there that is really what’s happening?

Also reading comprehension only applies when I actually READ something, so… I read a different article on the subject than you did and this was not mentioned.

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adam..
with the exception of government and union employees.. us out in the real world depend on those big evil companies for some of our retirement plans.

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Union: us out in the real world depend on those big evil companies for some of our retirement plans.

First of all, I am not calling big companies evil. Second, I work for one of the big oil companies so I already know about all that. Third, what exactly is your point in bringing this up? I don’t know what you’re responding to at all.

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There no good relationship between parties anymore. I think that all stopped w/LBJ and Vietnam.

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If Buffet’s secretary is paying 35%, she is a very well paid secretary. I think you pulled that one out of the air.

Of course you do.

And if, I too had never done the tiniest bit of research, I would be equally misinformed and confused…

But take it up with the horses and their mouths themselves…

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/01/warren-buffett-and-his-secretary-talk-taxes/

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Peadawg: I am all caught up with what you posted, and I agree he should sign the bill and not make a big deal out of it since h proposed the exact same thing. All I can think is he’s making a political game out of it. Wouldn’t be the first time.

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“All I can think is he’s making a political game out of it. ” – After barkin’ about student loans for the past week and he tries to pull this sht…in the words of Chris Carter – “Come on man!”

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Here is an idea. Instead of raising taxes on the rich, why not lower the taxes for everyone else.

Fine.

But to what end?

To take your idea to it’s natural conclusion, the end game is that nobody pays any taxes.

That would make for one helluva utopian USA huh?

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ir(Rational) @ 1:44

No political or economic system or ideology is without flaws. Politicians just make it worse, but that is another story.

With that said, Rags loves to post on a regular basis as if what he says on politics and economics is without flaw. Is he wrong all the time? No. But there are many times he will just ignore something that debunks what he posts or doubles down on his pompous, “I’m smarter than you” condescending attitude…. He has never been wrong……… Just ask him.

One can not be as blind as he appears to be for his own political / economic ideology and also call someone else a “tool” at the same time….. Well one can do it, but it is foolish and stupid to be honest. He ought to look in the mirror when he resorts to name calling……… which in itself is pretty weak for someone who attempts to comes across his superior intellect

As for you being “seriously confused”, you are more than welcome to pass me by if you do not agree with something I post

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Peadawg: Yeah. After reading all this stuff I am definitely thinking “Come on man” on this one.

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He lashed out at assertions from many Republican leaders that the “Buffett rule” is class warfare.

“If this is a war, my side has the nuclear bomb,” Buffett said. “We have K Street. … We have Wall Street. Debbie doesn’t have anybody. I want a government that is responsive to the people who got the short straw in life.”

Word.

There are several excellent ideas out there, but you programmed 1% asskissers LOVE carrying water for the super-rich in the hopes that you will get trickled on.

This one NEVER gets old…

http://tinyurl.com/7odemw4

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Jam Vet – then she’s a very well paid secretary that puts her in the upper middle class who hasn’t learned a thing while sitting at the feet of the master. For her to pay a federal rate of 35.8%, she would have to be making in excess of $250,000 so I’m very skeptical of that number.

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“Leftists do not routinely engage in critical thought, more of a “four legs good, two legs bad” level of analysis.”- Ragnar

Bingo. I don’t know what it is but libs just hate the economic freedom of the individual concept. They hate it they do.

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“The next to impossible part is finding politicians with the stones to make them pay it”

No argument there

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“The cons put a poison pill in the bill (as usual).” – The SAME poison that Obama put in HIS budget and Democrats voted for.

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Pea – Give it up, you can only tell them the truth, you can’t make them understand it.

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The House blocked a Democratic alternative that would have paid for the student loan bill by taking away tax subsidies for oil companies.

Republicans are not really interested in closing loopholes.

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A progressive tax is what we should use. Those with higher incomes have profited more from the system, have more to protect, and have the abillity to pay the tax.

A regressive tax just puts an inordinate burden on those with the least abilty and the least benefit.

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Nancy will get some things done next year when control goes back to the right hands.

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TaxPayer
April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

Obama should happily vote for the student loan bill seeing as it CUTS THE SAME THING OBAMA WANTED TO CUT IN HIS OWN FREAKIN’ BUDGET.

This should be a done deal. Period. No arguing. No threats.

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“Like I said, I call it like I see it.”

Yep, you do. Pity you can see when what you “call” it is incorrect.

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Are any liberals concerned about the looming collapse of entitlement programs? I ask because so many want to demonize proposed solutions and offer no solutions of their own… just more classist demonizing and unsustainable promises to the recipients of spreading the welath around. We as a people need to get serious and realize a solution must be honestly debated. or politicians will monetize the debt. That will devestate the purchasing power of all of us!

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Peadawg,

If you want to accept Obama’s budget in its entirety, I’ll go for that. Otherwise, it’s politics as usual and I do not agree with your conclusion that he should accept this offer by the Republicans. The Republicans want to cut more from the ACA in order to fund the student loans while the Democrats want to cut subsidies to oil companies such as Exxon. Cut the subsidies.

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SS should be in a lockbox.

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“I ask because so many want to demonize proposed solutions and offer no solutions of their own…”

Did Obama not propose a spending cuts and tax increases to the House?

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The WSJ quotes the AP today stating that 53% of bachelor degree-holders under the age of 25 are currently unemployed or underemployed. That is the cold cruel reality of Obama’s economic policies and frankly lack of any comprehensive plan moving forward. Obama’s strategy is to vilify his oponents on anything he can dream up while avoiding specifics on his programs because they simply do not stand up to scrutiny. At least Ryan has a plan. It may not be perfect, but at least it is a place to start. All we get the past few months from the WH are a series of snafus: the open mic situation with the Russian President implying that what he had to say would be so offensive to Americans that he would not be re-elected (on top of dissing Netanyahu in an open mic last year); attacking the Supreme Court because they were “unelected” officials; attacking the Catholic Church because they did not support subsidies for birth control; Biden and Wasserman-Schultz alleged that the Catholic fight was part of a larger war on women while female employees at the WH make 18% less than their male peers and Hillary Rosen decrees that Mrs. Romney’s experience of surviving MS, breast cancer, and raising 5 children didn’t qualify as work; let’s not forget the Secret Service and the GSA; failure and completely unrealistic economics of the Buffet rule; disastrous energy policy based on technology that will not be viable for at least another 25 years; consistent 8+ unemployment; and $Trillion deficits with no detailed plan on how to address them. All of these recent activities add up to an inept Federal government being run with no accountability because Obama has been running for office for the past 3 years. It should come as no surprise that WSB reported last night that one of the Obama bundlers that hosted a fund raising event here in Atlanta is being investigated for fraudulently winning a $300mm airport vending contract by pretending to be a disadvantaged minority. In the meantime, all we are going to get is more nasty mud slinging, the blame game, and more campaign distractions. Basically anything to avoid taking responsibility for the past 3 years and offering any detailed solutions for today’s issues at hand. Too bad Obama didn’t go to Boulder for the 420 party. Then he could have really had a meaningful conversation about Rand with the college students and avoided boring them with his stale soak the rich/blame Bush/weapons of mass distraction speach. I agree with Obama on one thing: it’s not fair to have 53% unemployment/underemployment for recent college grads. We simply can’t keep going in the same direction of the past 4 years and need to get someone who understands how to grow the economy in the White House.

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dude, you copied that from somewhere.

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Jefferson
SS is in a lockbox but
the lock has been picked.

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The 10% of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70% of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

I guess 70% just isn’t enough?

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Doggone – I still maintain, that in the political world, there is no difference. But you think what you want, I’ll think what I want, and we can both be happy. Well, at least I can be.

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Jefferson

April 27th, 2012
2:57 pm
Nancy will get some things done next year when control goes back to the right hands.
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The house is on fire, but you are mowing the lawn.

You got something done, but did it help?

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“Well, at least I can be”

Well, it’s easy to be happy when you’re delusional.

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“it’s a trust fund”

But it’s not in a “lockbox” – that was proposed, but never passed.

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ZoSo, just because you have a net worth of over $8,000,000 and an average annual income of $350,000, all of us in the 99% don’t.

No wonder you are so fiercely protective of your own turf…

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JamVet – Stay ignorant, my friends…

I believe that Buffet is stating his federal rate aso I assumed that his secretary would state it in the same terms. I may be wrong but, regardless she would still be fairly well paid and not very agressive in taking care of her future (401k, health insurance before taxes, etc) in order to hit that rate. Should we feel sorry for her because she is to timid to do anything? And shame on Buffet for not directing her, not very generous from a man who wants to even the playing field.

In regards to capital gains and investment income, you have to be careful what you ask for. We have an “Amelia Bedelia” type government and we have millions of folks retiring, or getting near retirement who have saved and planned for their retirement and they will be depending on those types of investments to live on or do you not care about the elderly? Who defines what amount of money in retirement ages is too much? Remember for the vast majority of those folks, every dollar taxed will be withdrawn from the economy.

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“Republicans want to make now to pay for the student loan bill”

I don’t understand what needs to be “paid for” in the student loan program. It’s not like we’re paying student to take the money. They ARE paying interest on it, after all.

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Jay, what say you on the Student loan veto threat?

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“Remember for the vast majority of those folks, every dollar taxed will be withdrawn from the economy.”

Well………. not exactly

Ask Boeing, GE, etc who as a corporations and individuals are reliant on TAXES dollars via the contracts they have with Uncle Sam………. Just using those two as smaller fish, but could go on and on

I can vaguely see your point out on the horizon……. but in the end it isn’t exactly true

That money will get back into the economy…….

You could argue not fast enough, not in the right hands, etc, etc but “withdrawn”…….. no no no

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Doggone/GA

We are borrowing money to give to them and then we pay a higher rate on the money we borrowed.

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Oops! Iraq and Afghanistan wars!

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They BOTH – you lost me when you brought up Boeing & GE?

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The 1% don’t worry about clean water, they drink bottled water.
The 1% don’t want to pay for public education, they send theirs to private school.

It wasn’t communism that took all the money from the rich in 1917 in Russia, it was just a change from too many poor people. Is that what the rich want, to have nothing because they wouldn’t let the trickle run ?

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I believe that Buffet is stating his federal rate…

Then you are incorrect.

I may be wrong but, regardless she would still be fairly well paid…

Then you would be incorrect again. Even by Omaha standards.

Do some basic research and find the facts that countermand the ones that I have provided you. And then post them.

Those two rates that I listed are clearly before exemptions, deductions, credits, losses, etc. Even after ALL of those, her rate is still higher than his.

I’m certainly no accountant but I have one and I do have some basic working knowledge of these laws.

BTW, my tax rate before deductions, etc? 38.3%.

My effective tax rate? 21%

Four to five percentage points higher than Buffett’s.

This isn’t rocket science…

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irrational, peadawg, et al,

We’ll continue with the politics as usual then.

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So, are the Ayn Randists now the Albigensians? Quite frankly, I think all in all I’d take a Randist over a Dominican….

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ir(Rational)

Welcome to the world of politics………

No more than the President can dictate to Congress can they dictate to him…….

Were you for Obama’s budget?

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GG – OH NOS! Something that could affect me sometime down the line. But wait, I provide my wife and myself with private insurance, I don’t have to rely on the government for that. I’m confused, am I not going to be allowed to keep my private insurance? Am I going to be forced to go and beg the government to allow me to go to the doctor?

Also, as an aside, can someone please explain to me what the BFD is when companies make profits? Isn’t that what companies are supposed to do?

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You would have a point, TaxPayer, on the oil subsidies if Obama hadn’t proposed the same cut that the Republicans want to make.

The house Dems made their proposal to cut oil subsidies. The house Republicans have to deal with the house Dems. Obama proposed a budget package — not something for Republicans to treat as some sort of shopping list where they get to pick what they want. They did not like his budget proposal. Fine. Deal with the house Democrats. Then, deal with Senate. Then, give Obama a bill and see if he signs it. I’m good with that.

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Obama is Over – “We simply can’t keep going in the same direction of the past 4 years and need to get someone who understands how to grow the economy in the White House.”

I agree, it’s to bad that the GOP couldn’t find a candidate that could achieve that goal.

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TaxPayer
April 27th, 2012
3:37 pm

That paragraph of rubbish you just wrote shouldn’t even have to happen on something as simple as taken a Obama-proposed cut and using that to pay for the student loan bill.

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Peadawg

If this is your idea of a party….

What exactly did Obama propose to pay for with ACA funds?

Why do you continue to defend oil subsidies?

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Rational

Thanks for the reply…….. That was my whole point…. The House is attempting to cherry pick something and expect the Pres to be happy…………

It is a two way street………..

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TBS – Sometimes you just gotta be happy with what you can get. Especially in a case like this where there is about a 0% chance of the entire budget ever getting passed. By either the House or Senate if I remember correctly. But I do understand the point you were making.

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jay
why don’t you INVESTIGATE all the books, people and sources that Obama was raised to believe in and let us know who they are

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Peadawg

You are defending them when you think it’s better to take dollars from preventative care than oil subsidies.

Your wife is more important to you than Chevron isn’t she?

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“You are defending them when you think it’s better to take dollars from preventative care than oil subsidies.” – Again, never said that. Show me where I did or stfu.

The GOP is using cuts that Obama himself proposed. Period. End of story. There should be NO votes against this bill. Stop playing political games and stop w/ the threats to veto.

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You want me to vote for you, Obama? Don’t raise the rates on my wife’s Stafford loans.

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Sorry, Peadawg, but you don’t get to period end of story this.

It’s above your paygrade.

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Granny, you’re defending Obama while he plays a sick political game w/ student loans. I can period end of story this (in the Teddy KGB voice from ‘Rounders’) whenever the f*k I please.

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Paragraph of rubbish, Peadawg. I see you have reduced yourself to that now. Is that your way of “winning”?

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TaxPayer – my 3:58 goes to you too, sport.

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“The 1% don’t worry about clean water, they drink bottled water.”

Sometimes a lib makes a point that is so asininely stupid that you just have to edumucate them. Middle class and even poor people can afford to drink bottled waters. Because of poor water systems back home the immigrants from central america here largely drink bottled water.

And the dumbest point of that is that the 1%ers have to bathe in tap water and when they go to restaurants some of their food is boiled in or made with tap water. Gawd ya’ll say some really dumb things.

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TaxPayer
April 27th, 2012
4:02 pm

Nope, I’m angry at Obama and the Democrats for playing political games and being 100% hypocrites and threatening to not vote for and veto this bill just b/c the GOP proposed a cut that OBAMA HIMSELF PROPOSED.

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I know the party’s upstairs, but…

To repeat what I said earlier, every living person in this nation now owes over $200,000 as part of the national debt

Unless there’s some new math I missed, 14 trillion divided by 300 million ain’t 200 grand. It’s around 47 grand.

And frankly, carrying a 47 thousand dollar principal amount on a debt that’s financing the whole country? That doesn’t sound all that scary to me.

(Sorry Peadawg, I know you think this is “loony” talk.)

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Outstanding work Jay, it reminds me of the skewering The Daily Show administers to duplicitous politicians. I hope they will piggyback on your research and also expose the charlatan.

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No, Peadawg, you do not get to take Obama’s proposals out of context. He proposed a package of items and the Republicans refused. You do not have the luxury of referring to bits and pieces as though they were offered as such. The house Republicans can now return to business as usual. Pass your house bill and then work with the Senate to agree on a final bill and pass it up the line to Obama. That is your option. You can continue to claim otherwise to your heart’s content I suppose for what good it will do you. Have fun with that.

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Peadawg,

Take up your concerns with the House Dems and the Senate Dems. Get your bill past them and on to Obama. If you really care about making sure those kids have affordable loans, that’s where you should have your efforts focused. If Obama likes what he sees in the bill, he’ll sign it and if he doesn’t, then we can compare notes. Til then, this exchange is rendered moot.

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From your link, Peadawg:

President Obama has proposed $3.5 billion in cuts to the federal Prevention and Public Health Fund as part of the President’s Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction.

Again, Peadawg, trying to take Obama’s proposals out of context will get you nowhere with me. Obama made his proposals as a part of a package deal. You do not get to pick and choose no matter how much you want to. Just like you do not get to walk into the grocery store and open up a product and take the part labeled “10% more at no added cost” for free. Finally, calling me a hypocrite is really silly, Peadawg, unless you can back it up with some proof. You’re grasping.

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You leftists are just trying to make a good man look bad by misquoting him in the past.

Someone didn’t watch the video provided, I see.

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TaxPayer
April 27th, 2012
5:01 pm

“unless you can back it up with some proof.” – You’re defending Obama and Senate/House Democrats on being hypocrites, which makes you one also. Live with it, son.

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You’re defending Obama and Senate/House Democrats on being hypocrites, which makes you one also. Live with it, son.

I asked you to provide proof that I am a hypocrite and you claim it is so based on your claim that Obama and the Democrats are hypocrites and I defend their hypocrisy.

Hypocrite – a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

Cite my words that satisfy the definition, Peadawg.

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Peapup melt-down.

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And Willard now says his campaign is based on “fairness” and that Obama is guilty of “unfairness.”
That is a typical Turd Blossom (Rove) trick of calling the other side what you areand lying about your true beliefs. After all George W. was a comapssionate conservative wasn’t he?

Lets see some of the unfair things Obama has done that Mr. Fairness and his cohorts would not have done:

1. Bail out the states when their unemployment funds ran out;
2. Bail out all the banks so their balance sheets improved;
3. Helped homeowners avoid foreclosure;
4. reduce payroll taxes;
5. end a highly unfavorable war in Iraq and bring all the troops home;
6. kill our top enemy Osama Ben Laden and others;
7. bail out GM and Chrysler making them highly profitable again;
8. give insurance to people who were unisurable due to preexisting conditons;
9. let the rich continue to have huge tax breaks given to them by “George w.etc. etc.
All of these are highly unfair aren’t they????????????????????????
I guess Ben laden would agree with Willard.

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So Ryan seems to have re-written the gospels in his own image, creative but definitely a detour from the lessons from Jesus Christ. I do believe in separation of church and state, but politicians seem to drag their faulty personal interpretations of Christianity in to solidify their un-Christian positions. They need to write the gospel of GOP- it would be an eye opener. On the other hand, it’s been a LONG time since any of them have read their bible. Next, I understand the concept of being broke . . . but are we broke? If so, more revenue is absolutely necessary, but cutting spending when we’re pulling out of a recession is crazy. Wisdom is in short supply, and blind ideology rules the GOP. To me, they have built their house on sand, and now it is starting to crumble under all the rediculous ideas they have foisted on us. Reagan and both Bushes spent so much money, shooting our deficits way up. Clinton eliminated the deficit and left us with a surlus o $5.6 trillion. And they blame Obama????? Analyze this: Bush spent 5.6 trillion, then added another 5 trillion by the time he left office. So who is the drunken sailor here?

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“Further, you did not cite anything I posted that supports your claim that I am a hypocrite.”

If you refuse to take your liberal blinders off, that’s your choice. I tried to help you see it but oh well.

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I see a number of people seized the opportunity to bash Ayn Rand. Did any of them say anything that hasn’t already been answered elsewhere?

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It’s funny that far right the base of the GOP would all of a sudden fall in love with Rand. Besides her atheism she was the ultimate hypocrite. She took methamphetamine daily for 26 years to control a “weight problem”. Does anyone here know what 26 years of meth use does to you and your ability to think rationally?

Here, Georgia GOP, is your VP hopefuls greatest influence as interviewed by Mike Wallace in 1959 in an abridged and full version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TxCWbTqz9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKsv_SX4Y&feature=related

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[...] this one, still unanswered. Meanwhile, in the world of newspaper news, Paul Ryan cannot run fast enough to get away from his past infatuation with Ayn [...]

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