Paul Ryan erases Ayn Rand from the picture

With his new-found high profile, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan is now on the “oft-mentioned list” of potential vice presidential candidates. Not coincidentally, he also finds himself trying to defend brutal cuts in services to the poor and others in need that he has proposed in his “Path to Prosperity” budget.

So, in an interview published Thursday in National Review, Ryan made it a point to dismiss as “urban myth” the notion that he draws inspiration and guidance from Ayn Rand, the libertarian philosopher-queen who celebrates the self over all else and who dismisses the very notion of a social contract.

Ryan was pretty explicit:

“I reject her philosophy. It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas. Don’t give me Ayn Rand.”

I find urban myths a fascinating phenomenon. For example, you could write a book about all the urban myths that have popped up about Barack Obama, from the “whitey tape” and the birth certificate to “see India on $200 million a day.” If you try to trace them back to their source, as you would trace a creek back to its source, you often find yourself peering into a dark, dank swamp of fear and fabrication.

So which vile soul started this urban myth about Ryan’s supposed affection for Ayn Rand? I think I have found a clue:

And then there’s this:

“I give out Atlas Shrugged as Christmas presents, and I make all my interns read it. Well… I try to make my interns read it.”

And:

“Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did a fantastic job explaining the morality of capitalism, the morality of individualism, and that, to me, is what matters most.”

And:

“The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.”

That’s all Paul Ryan, folks.

Now, as to this Thomas Aquinas fellow to whom Ryan suddenly and conveniently pledges such allegiance. If the budget chairman truly has begun to study the works of St. Thomas, such as his 13th century classic Summa Theologica, that’s great. He will have much to gain from the experience.

Regarding this alleged “urban myth,” for example, Aquinas might remind Ryan that “A lie is evil … it is unnatural and undue for anyone to signify by words something that is not in his mind.”

And as to that budget?

“Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need.”

I can’t wait to see such lessons reflected in Ryan’s politics, can you?

– Jay Bookman

358 comments Add your comment

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:35 pm

Adam – Politics is all about blackmail. You can call it compromise if that makes it more palatable for you, but a rose by any other name is still a rose. I wouldn’t really be surprised if it is all political games though, EVERYTHING seems to be a game to the idiots in Washington.

Peadawg

April 27th, 2012
2:35 pm

Adam – http://www.preventioninstitute.org/press/highlights/713-proposed-cuts-to-prevention-fund-are-unacceptable.html

“President Obama has proposed $3.5 billion in cuts to the federal Prevention and Public Health Fund as part of the President’s Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction.”

Adam

April 27th, 2012
2:36 pm

Peadawg: It’s fine to assert that in an article but that’s not evidence. I mean what does it mean to cut into the same fund, and what proof is there that is really what’s happening?

Also reading comprehension only applies when I actually READ something, so… I read a different article on the subject than you did and this was not mentioned.

Peadawg

April 27th, 2012
2:37 pm

Adam, Obama needs to STFU and sign the bill.

Union

April 27th, 2012
2:37 pm

adam..
with the exception of government and union employees.. us out in the real world depend on those big evil companies for some of our retirement plans.

Adam

April 27th, 2012
2:37 pm

(ir)Rational: Politics is all about blackmail. You can call it compromise if that makes it more palatable for you, but a rose by any other name is still a rose

I maintain there is a substantive difference between blackmail and compromise. I mean, even most people in good relationships will tell you that.

Adam

April 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

Union: us out in the real world depend on those big evil companies for some of our retirement plans.

First of all, I am not calling big companies evil. Second, I work for one of the big oil companies so I already know about all that. Third, what exactly is your point in bringing this up? I don’t know what you’re responding to at all.

Peadawg

April 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/white-house-threatens-to-1426690.html

“Republicans noted that many Democrats had voted earlier this year to take money from the preventive health fund to help pay to keep doctors’ Medicare reimbursements from dropping. Obama’s own budget in February proposed cutting $4 billion from the same fund to pay for some of his priorities.”

Mad Max

April 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

There no good relationship between parties anymore. I think that all stopped w/LBJ and Vietnam.

Peadawg

April 27th, 2012
2:40 pm

Obama’s better than this “it’s ok if I do it but not the other side” bs….I thought.

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 27th, 2012
2:40 pm

If Buffet’s secretary is paying 35%, she is a very well paid secretary. I think you pulled that one out of the air.

Of course you do.

And if, I too had never done the tiniest bit of research, I would be equally misinformed and confused…

But take it up with the horses and their mouths themselves…

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/01/warren-buffett-and-his-secretary-talk-taxes/

liberalefty

April 27th, 2012
2:41 pm

@union

government does create jobs…our war industry provides jobs for millions of workers at LOCKHEED,BOEING, etc. whoever saiud the government doesnt create jobs are a lie

Adam

April 27th, 2012
2:41 pm

Peadawg: I am all caught up with what you posted, and I agree he should sign the bill and not make a big deal out of it since h proposed the exact same thing. All I can think is he’s making a political game out of it. Wouldn’t be the first time.

liberalefty

April 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

Peadawg

April 27th, 2012
2:43 pm

“All I can think is he’s making a political game out of it. ” – After barkin’ about student loans for the past week and he tries to pull this sht…in the words of Chris Carter – “Come on man!”

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2012
2:43 pm

I think we already have default tax hikes and spending cuts in place thanks to the bipartisan efforts of our leaders. Don’t they kick in starting in January.

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 27th, 2012
2:43 pm

Here is an idea. Instead of raising taxes on the rich, why not lower the taxes for everyone else.

Fine.

But to what end?

To take your idea to it’s natural conclusion, the end game is that nobody pays any taxes.

That would make for one helluva utopian USA huh?

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:44 pm

Adam – I meant in politics there isn’t any real difference between blackmail and compromise. In real life, there is.

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
2:45 pm

ir(Rational) @ 1:44

No political or economic system or ideology is without flaws. Politicians just make it worse, but that is another story.

With that said, Rags loves to post on a regular basis as if what he says on politics and economics is without flaw. Is he wrong all the time? No. But there are many times he will just ignore something that debunks what he posts or doubles down on his pompous, “I’m smarter than you” condescending attitude…. He has never been wrong……… Just ask him.

One can not be as blind as he appears to be for his own political / economic ideology and also call someone else a “tool” at the same time….. Well one can do it, but it is foolish and stupid to be honest. He ought to look in the mirror when he resorts to name calling……… which in itself is pretty weak for someone who attempts to comes across his superior intellect

As for you being “seriously confused”, you are more than welcome to pass me by if you do not agree with something I post

Adam

April 27th, 2012
2:45 pm

(ir)Rational: I meant in politics there isn’t any real difference between blackmail and compromise. In real life, there is.

LOL that seriously made me laugh!

Adam

April 27th, 2012
2:46 pm

Peadawg: Yeah. After reading all this stuff I am definitely thinking “Come on man” on this one.

Mick

April 27th, 2012
2:48 pm

Dear ragnar

If you are looking for a good three part movie may I suggest the godfather 1 & 2 excellent, 3 is OK or back to the future 1,2,3 – not bad for the entertainment value…

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 27th, 2012
2:48 pm

He lashed out at assertions from many Republican leaders that the “Buffett rule” is class warfare.

“If this is a war, my side has the nuclear bomb,” Buffett said. “We have K Street. … We have Wall Street. Debbie doesn’t have anybody. I want a government that is responsive to the people who got the short straw in life.”

Word.

There are several excellent ideas out there, but you programmed 1% asskissers LOVE carrying water for the super-rich in the hopes that you will get trickled on.

This one NEVER gets old…

http://tinyurl.com/7odemw4

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:49 pm

TBS – I was only confused as to why you were suggesting that someone shouldn’t follow their own ideology. Like I said, if you would have added in a qualifier to the ideology, calling it Republican or whatever, I wouldn’t have been confused.

Adam – I call it like I see it.

Mad Max

April 27th, 2012
2:49 pm

Jam Vet – then she’s a very well paid secretary that puts her in the upper middle class who hasn’t learned a thing while sitting at the feet of the master. For her to pay a federal rate of 35.8%, she would have to be making in excess of $250,000 so I’m very skeptical of that number.

mm

April 27th, 2012
2:51 pm

“Stop the war on college students, Obama and Senate Democrats. Vote for this bill and DON”T veto it!”

Don’t blame the dems. The cons put a poison pill in the bill (as usual).

Thulsa Doom

April 27th, 2012
2:51 pm

“Leftists do not routinely engage in critical thought, more of a “four legs good, two legs bad” level of analysis.”- Ragnar

Bingo. I don’t know what it is but libs just hate the economic freedom of the individual concept. They hate it they do.

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
2:51 pm

rational

Got you

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
2:51 pm

“The next to impossible part is finding politicians with the stones to make them pay it”

No argument there

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:52 pm

Max – That is what has been widely reported, but I would venture a guess that she also pays a bit of that 17% rate also, cause nobody working that closely for Buffet isn’t investing. I mean, if I worked for Bobby Flay, I would be eating all the time, same concept (to me anyway).

Peadawg - Obama wants to play hardball with student loans? I'm game.

April 27th, 2012
2:54 pm

“The cons put a poison pill in the bill (as usual).” – The SAME poison that Obama put in HIS budget and Democrats voted for.

Mad Max

April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:52 pm
Are you saying you can’t believe everything you read or hear.

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

Pea – Give it up, you can only tell them the truth, you can’t make them understand it.

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

“I meant in politics there isn’t any real difference between blackmail and compromise”

Sure there is. I’m amazed you even typed that. Compromise is saying “vote for this bill and I’ll vote for that one” Blackmail is “vote for this bill or you’ll never get anything you want through”

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

The House blocked a Democratic alternative that would have paid for the student loan bill by taking away tax subsidies for oil companies.

Republicans are not really interested in closing loopholes.

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
2:56 pm

ir(Rational)

To make it much quicker, I should have just said………… his blogging persona at least, maybe not him in “real” life. appears to confuse intellect and wisdom

much, much different…………… And he is intllegent

Oscar

April 27th, 2012
2:56 pm

A progressive tax is what we should use. Those with higher incomes have profited more from the system, have more to protect, and have the abillity to pay the tax.

A regressive tax just puts an inordinate burden on those with the least abilty and the least benefit.

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:56 pm

Max – I believe nothing.

Jefferson

April 27th, 2012
2:57 pm

Nancy will get some things done next year when control goes back to the right hands.

barking frog

April 27th, 2012
2:57 pm

Ayn would have engineers
run the world. Your
government would be
as dependable as your
car, your computer, your
phone. She is WINNING !

Peadawg - Obama wants to play hardball with student loans? I'm game.

April 27th, 2012
2:58 pm

TaxPayer
April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

Obama should happily vote for the student loan bill seeing as it CUTS THE SAME THING OBAMA WANTED TO CUT IN HIS OWN FREAKIN’ BUDGET.

This should be a done deal. Period. No arguing. No threats.

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
2:59 pm

Doggone – Like I said, I call it like I see it.

TBS – Yeah, I wouldn’t have even responded to that. It didn’t concern me. I was just trying to clear up some confusion for myself.

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:02 pm

“Like I said, I call it like I see it.”

Yep, you do. Pity you can see when what you “call” it is incorrect.

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

For her to pay a federal rate of 35.8%…

Max, where did anyone say anything about a federal rate?

You seem to miss the obvious – payroll taxes vs. dividends and capital gains among many other contrived “laws” that tilt the American tax game heavily towards the wealthy.

In any given year there almost a half of a million American households that make between $100,000 and $500,000 and pay ZERO in federal income taxes.

And the REALLY great news – 18,000 American households make $500,000 or more and pay nothing.

How may times has that happened to you?

Scooter

April 27th, 2012
3:04 pm

Are any liberals concerned about the looming collapse of entitlement programs? I ask because so many want to demonize proposed solutions and offer no solutions of their own… just more classist demonizing and unsustainable promises to the recipients of spreading the welath around. We as a people need to get serious and realize a solution must be honestly debated. or politicians will monetize the debt. That will devestate the purchasing power of all of us!

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
3:04 pm

Doggone – So because we disagree on semantics, I’m unable to see when I’m wrong? Whatever. :roll:

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2012
3:05 pm

Peadawg,

If you want to accept Obama’s budget in its entirety, I’ll go for that. Otherwise, it’s politics as usual and I do not agree with your conclusion that he should accept this offer by the Republicans. The Republicans want to cut more from the ACA in order to fund the student loans while the Democrats want to cut subsidies to oil companies such as Exxon. Cut the subsidies.

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
3:06 pm

TaxPayer – So Obama shouldn’t accept the cuts he proposed? Interesting.

Jefferson

April 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

SS should be in a lockbox.

too little time

April 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

As a conservative… I think that it is a HUGE mistake (the Ryan proposals) to cut entitlements without touching defense!

On a personal level, it means that Ryan is telling me that maintaining bases for those thankless SOBs in Europe is somehow more important than my retirement healthcare. Or, that some defense contractor’s bottom line is more important than the fact that my knee needs replacing.

It’s never going to fly. Cutting the size of government does not mean cutting the size of government EXCEPT . That kind of partisan picking and choosing is what polarizes our country and relegates the GOP to a “was” party.

If Ryan wants to cut the budget, then EVERYBODY must share the pain. That means cutting Medicare…AND the defense budget… AND the tax breaks that Apple/GM/big Oil use to avoid taxes… AND refundable Earned Income Tax Credits. The cuts have to be non-partisan. If everyone is not participating, then the target of those cuts will seek retaliation against the party that invoked them.

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

“I ask because so many want to demonize proposed solutions and offer no solutions of their own…”

Did Obama not propose a spending cuts and tax increases to the House?

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

“So because we disagree on semantics, I’m unable to see when I’m wrong?”

The difference between compromise and blackmail is more than semantics…whether in the “real” world or the political world.

Obama is over

April 27th, 2012
3:08 pm

The WSJ quotes the AP today stating that 53% of bachelor degree-holders under the age of 25 are currently unemployed or underemployed. That is the cold cruel reality of Obama’s economic policies and frankly lack of any comprehensive plan moving forward. Obama’s strategy is to vilify his oponents on anything he can dream up while avoiding specifics on his programs because they simply do not stand up to scrutiny. At least Ryan has a plan. It may not be perfect, but at least it is a place to start. All we get the past few months from the WH are a series of snafus: the open mic situation with the Russian President implying that what he had to say would be so offensive to Americans that he would not be re-elected (on top of dissing Netanyahu in an open mic last year); attacking the Supreme Court because they were “unelected” officials; attacking the Catholic Church because they did not support subsidies for birth control; Biden and Wasserman-Schultz alleged that the Catholic fight was part of a larger war on women while female employees at the WH make 18% less than their male peers and Hillary Rosen decrees that Mrs. Romney’s experience of surviving MS, breast cancer, and raising 5 children didn’t qualify as work; let’s not forget the Secret Service and the GSA; failure and completely unrealistic economics of the Buffet rule; disastrous energy policy based on technology that will not be viable for at least another 25 years; consistent 8+ unemployment; and $Trillion deficits with no detailed plan on how to address them. All of these recent activities add up to an inept Federal government being run with no accountability because Obama has been running for office for the past 3 years. It should come as no surprise that WSB reported last night that one of the Obama bundlers that hosted a fund raising event here in Atlanta is being investigated for fraudulently winning a $300mm airport vending contract by pretending to be a disadvantaged minority. In the meantime, all we are going to get is more nasty mud slinging, the blame game, and more campaign distractions. Basically anything to avoid taking responsibility for the past 3 years and offering any detailed solutions for today’s issues at hand. Too bad Obama didn’t go to Boulder for the 420 party. Then he could have really had a meaningful conversation about Rand with the college students and avoided boring them with his stale soak the rich/blame Bush/weapons of mass distraction speach. I agree with Obama on one thing: it’s not fair to have 53% unemployment/underemployment for recent college grads. We simply can’t keep going in the same direction of the past 4 years and need to get someone who understands how to grow the economy in the White House.

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
3:09 pm

too little time

Those are some good points

Jefferson

April 27th, 2012
3:09 pm

dude, you copied that from somewhere.

Peadawg - Obama wants to play hardball with student loans? I'm game.

April 27th, 2012
3:10 pm

“I do not agree with your conclusion ” – Of course you don’t.

Republicans saying we can do it but you can’t = bad (obama/romney care)
Obama saying I can do but you can’t = politics as usual

barking frog

April 27th, 2012
3:10 pm

Jefferson
SS is in a lockbox but
the lock has been picked.

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:11 pm

Finally have a moment to take a deep breath and think about this: “House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan is now on the “oft-mentioned list” of potential vice presidential candidates”

Personally, I think it’s a good idea. Get him out of Congress and into a nice ceremonial job where he can look pretty and talk nice.

ZoSo

April 27th, 2012
3:12 pm

The 10% of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70% of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

I guess 70% just isn’t enough?

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:12 pm

“SS is in a lockbox but”

Where did you get that idea?

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
3:12 pm

Doggone – I still maintain, that in the political world, there is no difference. But you think what you want, I’ll think what I want, and we can both be happy. Well, at least I can be.

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:12 pm

“I guess 70% just isn’t enough?”

What percentage of the country’s wealth do they control?

I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)

April 27th, 2012
3:14 pm

Jefferson

April 27th, 2012
2:57 pm
Nancy will get some things done next year when control goes back to the right hands.
_________________________________________________________________________

The house is on fire, but you are mowing the lawn.

You got something done, but did it help?

barking frog

April 27th, 2012
3:14 pm

doggone
it’s a trust fund.

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:15 pm

“Well, at least I can be”

Well, it’s easy to be happy when you’re delusional.

ZoSo

April 27th, 2012
3:15 pm

Why does it matter? People on the left love to demonize these folks but they pay the majority of the taxes. Let me know when you come up with a fair number.

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:16 pm

“it’s a trust fund”

But it’s not in a “lockbox” – that was proposed, but never passed.

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2012
3:16 pm

TaxPayer – So Obama shouldn’t accept the cuts he proposed? Interesting.

irrational,

As I said, you don’t get to pick and choose. Take his budget in it’s entirety or return to the game of politics (I’m more than happy to just wait for those defaults to kick in by the way). The Dems are willing to pay for the student loans by cutting those oil company subsidies. And please do not go down that silly path of trying to put your words on my post. You’re an educated person and should know better than to stoop to such a ploy.

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 27th, 2012
3:18 pm

ZoSo, just because you have a net worth of over $8,000,000 and an average annual income of $350,000, all of us in the 99% don’t.

No wonder you are so fiercely protective of your own turf…

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:18 pm

“Why does it matter? People on the left love to demonize these folks but they pay the majority of the taxes”

And so they should. They have the greater proportion of this country’s wealth, they should pay a greater proportion of what it takes to protect it.

Mad Max

April 27th, 2012
3:19 pm

JamVet – Stay ignorant, my friends…

I believe that Buffet is stating his federal rate aso I assumed that his secretary would state it in the same terms. I may be wrong but, regardless she would still be fairly well paid and not very agressive in taking care of her future (401k, health insurance before taxes, etc) in order to hit that rate. Should we feel sorry for her because she is to timid to do anything? And shame on Buffet for not directing her, not very generous from a man who wants to even the playing field.

In regards to capital gains and investment income, you have to be careful what you ask for. We have an “Amelia Bedelia” type government and we have millions of folks retiring, or getting near retirement who have saved and planned for their retirement and they will be depending on those types of investments to live on or do you not care about the elderly? Who defines what amount of money in retirement ages is too much? Remember for the vast majority of those folks, every dollar taxed will be withdrawn from the economy.

Peadawg - Obama wants to play hardball with student loans? I'm game.

April 27th, 2012
3:20 pm

“The Dems are willing to pay for the student loans by cutting those oil company subsidies.”

The Dems were PERFECTLY willing to pay for what THEY wanted w/ the SAME cuts that the Republicans want to make now to pay for the student loan bill. Do the Democrats not really want to freeze student loan rates or something?

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:21 pm

“Republicans want to make now to pay for the student loan bill”

I don’t understand what needs to be “paid for” in the student loan program. It’s not like we’re paying student to take the money. They ARE paying interest on it, after all.

I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)

April 27th, 2012
3:22 pm

Adam, I answered you downstairs.

I'm a "con" and a vet. STOP SPITTING ON ME!!! (That Black Guy)

April 27th, 2012
3:23 pm

Jay, what say you on the Student loan veto threat?

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
3:24 pm

Doggone – I never knew I was delusional. Thank you so very much for informing me of this fact. Is it something I should consider working on? I mean, it seems to be working well enough for me now, so would I really want to change?

TaxPayer – Unfortunately, for you and for everyone else, they do get to pick and choose. The president can only propose a budget, he can’t force it to be considered or passed. If he proposes cutting something in his budget, then it is passed and cut in another bill, he shouldn’t be complaining, it is what he already went on record as saying he wanted. I have no idea what you’re talking about, with me trying to put my words into your post. I only responded to what you were writing.

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
3:24 pm

“Remember for the vast majority of those folks, every dollar taxed will be withdrawn from the economy.”

Well………. not exactly

Ask Boeing, GE, etc who as a corporations and individuals are reliant on TAXES dollars via the contracts they have with Uncle Sam………. Just using those two as smaller fish, but could go on and on

I can vaguely see your point out on the horizon……. but in the end it isn’t exactly true

That money will get back into the economy…….

You could argue not fast enough, not in the right hands, etc, etc but “withdrawn”…….. no no no

Peadawg - Obama wants to play hardball with student loans? I'm game.

April 27th, 2012
3:24 pm

“I don’t understand what needs to be “paid for” in the student loan program. ” – I’m guessing to recoup the money that would have been made if the rates doubled. Kind of like paying for tax cuts?

Mad Max

April 27th, 2012
3:24 pm

Doggone/GA

We are borrowing money to give to them and then we pay a higher rate on the money we borrowed.

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:26 pm

“We are borrowing money to give to them and then we pay a higher rate on the money we borrowed”

So did we for the Iran and Iraq wars…so what’s the difference?

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:26 pm

Oops! Iraq and Afghanistan wars!

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
3:27 pm

ir(Rational)

The right via Newt, the Heritage Foundation and several others prominent Repubs were on the record for mandates…….
What is the problem now that they are in the ACA?

In principle isn’t that what you are saying or are you restricting that to budgets and bills?

Mad Max

April 27th, 2012
3:27 pm

They BOTH – you lost me when you brought up Boeing & GE?

Peadawg - Obama wants to play hardball with student loans? I'm game.

April 27th, 2012
3:28 pm

You would have a point, TaxPayer, on the oil subsidies if Obama hadn’t proposed the same cut that the Republicans want to make.

Jefferson

April 27th, 2012
3:29 pm

The 1% don’t worry about clean water, they drink bottled water.
The 1% don’t want to pay for public education, they send theirs to private school.

It wasn’t communism that took all the money from the rich in 1917 in Russia, it was just a change from too many poor people. Is that what the rich want, to have nothing because they wouldn’t let the trickle run ?

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
3:31 pm

TBS – I don’t restrict it to anything. I wasn’t aware they spoke for everyone on the right, but I learn all kinds of new things on here all the time. However, I will say there is a difference between something said 10-15 years ago (I’m guessing, I really don’t know) and something proposed as a budget a couple of months ago.

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 27th, 2012
3:32 pm

I believe that Buffet is stating his federal rate…

Then you are incorrect.

I may be wrong but, regardless she would still be fairly well paid…

Then you would be incorrect again. Even by Omaha standards.

Do some basic research and find the facts that countermand the ones that I have provided you. And then post them.

Those two rates that I listed are clearly before exemptions, deductions, credits, losses, etc. Even after ALL of those, her rate is still higher than his.

I’m certainly no accountant but I have one and I do have some basic working knowledge of these laws.

BTW, my tax rate before deductions, etc? 38.3%.

My effective tax rate? 21%

Four to five percentage points higher than Buffett’s.

This isn’t rocket science…

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
3:32 pm

Mad Max

Just used them as examples……. They have contracts with the government………. They government uses our tax dollars to pay them (or the money we borrow, but that is another story)…..

In essence tax dollars are not “withdrawn” from the economy……..

Once again you could argue in the wrong hands, doesn’t get into the economy fast enough, taxed too much……. but that money isn’t “withdrawn” per say………. We know Uncle Sam doesn’t save @hit………. so that money is getting back into the economy…….

The most efficient way….. now that another story

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

irrational, peadawg, et al,

We’ll continue with the politics as usual then.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

Peadawg

If the student loan bill is paid for from healthcare funds, somebody is going to go with out preventative care.

That too could hurt you and your wife.

Do you really think a subsidy for an oil company is more important that
preventative care for YOUR WIFE?

Think deeper.

(Note see the numbers from Chevron just released)

josef

April 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

So, are the Ayn Randists now the Albigensians? Quite frankly, I think all in all I’d take a Randist over a Dominican….

Mad Max

April 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

Doggone – it’s money we don’t have regardless of what we spend it on. That was your question. To repeat what I said earlier, every living person in this nation now owes over $200,000 as part of the national debt. Where does it stop? At 500,000, 1,000,000, 5,000,000, 100,000,000 per person. At some point it will become obvious to all but the diehards that default and/or drastic overhaul is necessary.

They BOTH suck

April 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

ir(Rational)

Welcome to the world of politics………

No more than the President can dictate to Congress can they dictate to him…….

Were you for Obama’s budget?

Peadawg - Obama wants to play hardball with student loans? I'm game.

April 27th, 2012
3:35 pm

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
April 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

You’re a little late to the party. Like I’ve told TaxPayer and Adam, Obama proposed the SAME cuts in his own budget. You’d have a good point about oil subsidies otherwise. Obama, Reid, Pelosi, et al needs to stop playing some twisted political game w/ student loans.

(ir)Rational

April 27th, 2012
3:35 pm

GG – OH NOS! Something that could affect me sometime down the line. But wait, I provide my wife and myself with private insurance, I don’t have to rely on the government for that. I’m confused, am I not going to be allowed to keep my private insurance? Am I going to be forced to go and beg the government to allow me to go to the doctor?

Also, as an aside, can someone please explain to me what the BFD is when companies make profits? Isn’t that what companies are supposed to do?

Doggone/GA

April 27th, 2012
3:35 pm

“At some point it will become obvious to all but the diehards that default and/or drastic overhaul is necessary”

And more than a few of us have known that for years now. My own personal opinion is that it’s time to start with cutting the DOD budget in half.

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2012
3:37 pm

You would have a point, TaxPayer, on the oil subsidies if Obama hadn’t proposed the same cut that the Republicans want to make.

The house Dems made their proposal to cut oil subsidies. The house Republicans have to deal with the house Dems. Obama proposed a budget package — not something for Republicans to treat as some sort of shopping list where they get to pick what they want. They did not like his budget proposal. Fine. Deal with the house Democrats. Then, deal with Senate. Then, give Obama a bill and see if he signs it. I’m good with that.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 27th, 2012
3:38 pm

i hear Joe Biden is enamored with Obama’s BIG STICK

Butch Cassidy

April 27th, 2012
3:38 pm

Obama is Over – “We simply can’t keep going in the same direction of the past 4 years and need to get someone who understands how to grow the economy in the White House.”

I agree, it’s to bad that the GOP couldn’t find a candidate that could achieve that goal.

Jay

April 27th, 2012
3:40 pm

“We are borrowing money to give to them and then we pay a higher rate on the money we borrowed.”

Mad Max, untrue. The 3.4 percent we’re charging them is about what Uncle Sam is paying on T-bills. Doubling it to 6.8 percent would mean that we’re making a good chunk on the students.