Karl Rove takes on President Cool
Yesterday I posted video of President Obama’s appearance with Jimmy Fallon, suggesting that in a contest for the youth vote, Mitt Romney might find it hard to compete.
So here’s the video response from Karl Rove’s American Crossroads:
As subtle as a 2-by-4.
Of course, Rove knows cool.
– Jay Bookman
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 26th, 2012
8:38 pm
Mick:
“Got any proof about that? Doesn’t matter to me, the egyptian people need to seize their own destiny, we need to pull back into a semi-isolationism and repair our damage within. That should be our focus…”
You are much smarter than that.
josef
April 26th, 2012
8:38 pm
TAXI
I suppose that could have been read that way. It’s just that when it comes to “muzzled” and the press, I tend toward the knee jerk.
Towncrier
April 26th, 2012
8:38 pm
“You are probably brainwashed by gop propaganda on unions but they built this country and have accomplishments for the American worker.”
Oh boy. Tell us all, my friend, when unions came into being in America as a real force. Now tell us when our nation was founded. Lastly, tell us just (in light of these things) how they “built this country”.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
8:39 pm
Man some of the Democrat tools on here seem to believe that their highness actually fast roped down with the SEALS to waste OBL in his little fortress in Pakistan. Here’s a 5×5 flash actual…Obama did not get bin Ladin, the CIA along with special operations got Osama bin Ladin.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
8:39 pm
**The whole conservative paranoia about unions is laughable because federal public unions are about as dangerous as a toothless baby nurse shark.**
I fell out of my seat with that one
Bullseye!!!
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:39 pm
“I’d put money on there being a direct relation to the stagnant wages for the working class in spite of growth of companies versus the decline of union representation over the past 30-40 years.”
Along with both D and R gladly sending jobs overseas,,,,,,,,,,,, you would be a winner……
I understand some jobs due to competition had to go, but there are so so many high skilled jobs that went as well…………..
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:42 pm
That is correct……. Obama did not get Bin Laden
With that said…….. was Bush part of the team that found Saddam? He did say “We got him”…………
Who did he get?
Towncrier
April 26th, 2012
8:42 pm
“Here’s a 5×5 flash actual…Obama did not get bin Ladin, the CIA along with special operations got Osama bin Ladin.”
Agreed, Scout. But I must concede I was pleasantly surprised that Obama had the stones to order a mission to get him into Pakistan. I thought he was more dovish than that. So I give him kudos for his resolve.
josef
April 26th, 2012
8:42 pm
Well, I can tell you why the events in post Tahir Egypt scare me…the lives and futures of some 10 million Christians hang in the balance. The gains made by women are in jeopardy. The Egyptian people will determine their fate, as they should, but that doesn’t mean what they’re rolling toward is some great, golden future. They’re headed backward pell mell.
getalife
April 26th, 2012
8:42 pm
Scout,
Your great agency makes President Clinton look like a saint.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
8:43 pm
recon
Who gave the call for a mission into a sovereign nation? Go ahead and shrug it off, then you don’t understand jack about the intricate chess match that occurred. After the assassination what did pakistan do about it? It was contained quite cooly without the potential blowback – that matters as much as taking out bin laden…
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:45 pm
josef
That has already occurred with Christians being persecuted at a much higher rate in Iraq, post Saddam as opposed to when he was in power
Many, many have fled Iraq over the last 7 or 8 yrs
Mick
April 26th, 2012
8:45 pm
josef
Yes, egypt will be complex, but the days of the world policeman are numbered…
getalife
April 26th, 2012
8:45 pm
” But I must concede I was pleasantly surprised that Obama had the stones to order a mission to get him into Pakistan. I thought he was more dovish than that. So I give him kudos for his resolve”
Did that hurt?
Our President focused on aq and obl.
Changed strategy and crushed them.
Facts scout will never admit because he thinks the truth will hurt him..
barking frog
April 26th, 2012
8:45 pm
Scout
party much in the SS ?
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:47 pm
josef
You may have already read this or something similar…
From 2010
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12022146
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
8:48 pm
“So I give him kudos for his resolve.”
Kudos for his resolve? You’ve got to be kidding…the intel that was assembled over several years before Obama even set foot into the oval office was so compelling that Obama had no other choice than to green light that mission. His was a political decision more than it was a national security decision. If he balked on giving that order he would have been political toast and he knew it.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2012
8:48 pm
josef,
when it came to muzzled, I was strictly limiting it to Murdoch. And his viewing audience at that swanky club out west that some Republicans were reportedly seen at.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:48 pm
“I thought he was more dovish than that. So I give him kudos for his resolve.”
Heck……. he has the CIA and military droning all over the place
josef
April 26th, 2012
8:49 pm
BOTH and MICK
What concerns me is that we, and by we I mean the United States and its allies, have been chillingly silent on that. Policeman is one thing, but to sit by silent reeks of events in the 1930s only with a different target that time. Did we learn nothing?
Towncrier
April 26th, 2012
8:49 pm
“Facts scout will never admit because he thinks the truth will hurt him..”
Scout’s point was that it is misleading and incorrect to say that Obama “got” Bin Laden when the lion’s share of the work was done by the CIA and the SEALs. He ordered the strike into a sovereign nation when they found him. Good for him. But let’s not make it more than it is.
Towncrier
April 26th, 2012
8:50 pm
“Heck……. he has the CIA and military droning all over the place…”
True…and that surprises me as well. Doesn’t help with his extreme liberal base, though.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2012
8:51 pm
Scout,
Your great agency makes President Clinton look like a saint.
You mean as in one blue dress versus, what was it, twenty-one. The Republicans owe Clinton an apology or they owe the Secret Service a Spanking.
Peadawg
April 26th, 2012
8:52 pm
He kinda has a point about Obama being a celebrity President. Nice add.
F. Sinkwich
April 26th, 2012
8:52 pm
So bro luvs himself some SEIU, UAW, CWA, etc., thugs.
I luved me some Reagan when he fired those PATCO slugs.
That was cool.
Jm
April 26th, 2012
8:52 pm
Drones in Texas and all over dc
getalife
April 26th, 2012
8:53 pm
“Doesn’t help with his extreme liberal base, though.”
Please, he will never be good enough for them.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2012
8:53 pm
Darn those Republicans and their logic regarding what happened on the other president’s, whose name cannot be mentioned, watch. Now we’ll have to admit that it was that other president’s actions that led us into an unfunded war in Iraq and Afghanistan and that other president’s actions that gave us unfunded tax cuts and unfunded prescription drug company benefits and TARP and… just darn.
barking frog
April 26th, 2012
8:54 pm
OBL is in heaven with his
ex virgins saying thank
you obama.
getalife
April 26th, 2012
8:54 pm
“The Republicans owe Clinton an apology or they owe the Secret Service a Spanking.”
Yes on the apology but they love to be spanked by pros too much..
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
8:54 pm
“then you don’t understand jack about the intricate chess match that occurred.”
mick, without any doubt in my mind, you don’t understand “jack” about special operations, the intelligence gathering process or politics if you truly believe Obama was the hero on that snuff operation. He was only nervously along for the ride because he had no other choice.
josef
April 26th, 2012
8:55 pm
Taxi
Understood.
BOTH
This is one I have been following closely…it’s not that the reports aren’t there…they just aren’t, well as al Shariff would say, not of much interest around here…
It’s much like Rwanda. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of Central African affairs could have seen it coming. But, a far away people about whom we know very little (and care even less.” We live in a sound-bite, trivial pursuit world in which Arab and Muslim are synonymous and Christians just don’t blip on our limited radar.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:56 pm
josef
At 8:49……… I must agree. Bush Administration was silent on the issue in regards to Iraq. Obama has been silent on that issue in regards to both Iraq and Egypt…………
getalife
April 26th, 2012
8:56 pm
Pea,
Yes, the President is a celebrity if you read that garbage in the check out lane.
He is President.
Period.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:57 pm
“He was only nervously along for the ride because he had no other choice.”
lets get past everyone’s opinion of what occurred……… hit us with the 1st hand details
Towncrier
April 26th, 2012
8:58 pm
“Kudos for his resolve? You’ve got to be kidding…the intel that was assembled over several years before Obama even set foot into the oval office was so compelling that Obama had no other choice than to green light that mission. His was a political decision more than it was a national security decision. If he balked on giving that order he would have been political toast and he knew it.”
No, I wasn’t kidding. It is my view. Going into a sovereign nation like that without explicit permission is not, as Jay might say, cool. And TBS is right in that Obama made surprising use of drones in the war on terrorists. So, he strikes me as a bit more hawkish than his Guantanamo Bay closing and try terrorists as civilians rhetoric might suggest. But that’s me.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 26th, 2012
8:58 pm
Towncrier:
“Facts scout will never admit because he thinks the truth will hurt him..”
I think you have me confused with “RECON”. I have not posted on that subject tonight.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
8:59 pm
“True…and that surprises me as well. Doesn’t help with his extreme liberal base, though.”
I would have to say the “extreme” portion of his base probably isnt as large as you think……. no different than the “extreme” portion of the right’s base……
With that said……. I do agree with your point
getalife
April 26th, 2012
8:59 pm
del,
Stop lying.
You know it does not work yet you keep lying.
He changed the strategy and you know it.
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:01 pm
del,
Tell us about Tora Bora.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 26th, 2012
9:04 pm
TaxPayer:
“Scout,
Your great agency makes President Clinton look like a saint.
You mean as in one blue dress versus, what was it, twenty-one. The Republicans owe Clinton an apology or they owe the Secret Service a Spanking.”
1) The president’s one escapade you mentioned (there were others) took place in the White House, with a young female government employee under his chain of command and he lied under oath about it.
2) The agents who brought prostitutes back to their hotel have been disciplined and in fact fired.
3) The president was impeached but not convicted. He should have been.
P.S. Republican attempts to blame Obama for the antics of a few agents is wrong.
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:06 pm
It does not get any sicker when a major accomplishment like getting obl causes the cons to lie.
I will always remember the celebration outside the White House that night.
A great moment in US history.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:07 pm
Along with both D and R gladly sending jobs overseas,,,,,,,,,,,, you would be a winner……
I’d also add the mutual destruction of the education system by the D’s and R’s have left us unprepared for the very technologically driven economy that we desire so damned bad. It should be downright embarrassing that, in the very country that pushed technology to the point of putting a man on the moon, we have to import computer technicians from India because our school systems are dysfunctional to the point that we can’t produce our own IT people in viable quantities here at home.
————————–
So bro luvs himself some SEIU, UAW, CWA, etc., thugs.
Yet another in the series of lies by Mr. Sinkwich. Care to point out where I said as much? I understand that in your bass ackwards world that right is left and up is down. However, if you’re gonna state something about me, you’d get much farther by stating facts as they pertain to this world and not your little fantasy one.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
9:07 pm
Scout
I read today where there is now an investigation about something in El Salvador……….
This is going to get ugly I believe
Towncrier
April 26th, 2012
9:10 pm
I’m out, guys…Goodnight.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
9:11 pm
“P.S. Republican attempts to blame Obama for the antics of a few agents is wrong.”
Scout, the problem is that the C.O. has to take responsibility for breakdowns in discipline and the poor performance of those under his command. The metric will be what Obama as CiC does to correct this issue and not what he does to minimize it.
F. Sinkwich
April 26th, 2012
9:15 pm
“However, if you’re gonna state something about me, you’d get much farther by stating facts as they pertain to this world and not your little fantasy one.”
You yourself admitted you are a union thug.
Don’t blame me.
Not cool.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2012
9:16 pm
The metric will be what Obama as CiC does to correct this issue and not what he does to minimize it.
And that would be an appropriate metric for future analysis. Let’s see if that holds true.
Jay
April 26th, 2012
9:16 pm
1.) “Scout, the problem is that the C.O. has to take responsibility for breakdowns in discipline and the poor performance of those under his command.”
2.) “Man some of the Democrat tools on here seem to believe that their highness actually fast roped down with the SEALS to waste OBL in his little fortress in Pakistan. Here’s a 5×5 flash actual…Obama did not get bin Ladin, the CIA along with special operations got Osama bin Ladin.
So Recon, as you have posted here, Obama must take blame for the Secret Service scandal because he is the commander in chief, but he gets no credit for taking out Osama bin Laden because hey, he was only the commander in chief.
Do I have that right, Recon?
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
9:17 pm
“Tell us about Tora Bora.”
I was in Indonesia during that December 011 operation. Close geographically but I couldn’t comment on it’s planning or execution. How about you and where were you? You sound like you have a lot of first hand information that you can share with us.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
9:17 pm
Bro @ 9:07
So true. Some people just focus on the union jobs that went overseas…… I’m not absolving unions because they played a part.
With that said, some people get so caught up in the union deal that they overlook the programming and engineering work that has been outsourced………. industries that have had little to no unionization
Thulsa Doom
April 26th, 2012
9:19 pm
“It’s much like Rwanda. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of Central African affairs could have seen it coming. But, a far away people about whom we know very little (and care even less.” – josef
Yep. And the world just stood by for 100 days while the slaughter took place. Effing horrible. A very small contingent of U.S. and or U.N. troops- a mobile force of several thousand, could have stopped it dead in his tracks. A small but organized and efficient Tutsi rebel army was able to do just that.
Towncerier and They Boths Suck,
I definitely agreee on Obama’s use of drones in Afgh. He was surprisingly much more aggressive than W on going after them and I applaud him for that. He will end up losing Afgh. but I don’t blame him for that. Its a war we cannot win because these people simply are not ready for democracy. Not even close.
Brocephus,
Get over it with the union crap dude and with the public sector workers bit. You public sector workers work for the taxpayer. You seem to forget that. Its not our job to pay you significantly higher than comparable private sector workers in terms of benefits and salary.
And when the economy takes a nosedive and the private sector is taking huge hits there is no reason as to why the public sector, whose pay is paid by taxpayers, shouldn’t take a small haircut in order to help out. Its called shared sacritifice- a term I’ve often heard from liberals. Perhaps you’ve heard of it.
And before you go off on a rant that cons hate public workers get a grip. My sister in law is a teacher, my mom is a retired state worker, my brother is an army officer, and the other brother is an accountant who works for the state. I’ve no problem with public sector workers at all and as a matter of fact I think they get a bad rap in terms of work ethic for the most part- GSA and some others being the exception. I don’t blame public sector workers at all but rather the nature of bureaucracy and the dunderheads at the top and politicians who grow bureaucracies to unneeded bloatededness(if that’s even a word).
My brother and sister took temporary pay decreases and benefit decreases of 5% for a couple of years until the state’s finances recovered. They just now got those benefits back. But he didn’t whine and complain when his family had to take some of that shared sacrifice. And neither should you or some other public sector workers when it comes to shared sacrifice.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
9:19 pm
Jay since you didn’t reference my complete comments, you don’t deserve any more of reply than I’m giving you.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:20 pm
Scout, the problem is that the C.O. has to take responsibility for breakdowns in discipline and the poor performance of those under his command.
I agree with Scout. Trying to blame Obama for the antics of a few agents, who probably entered service long before Obama set foot in DC, is wrong. Doing that is no different than blaming Gen. Amos for what Sgt. Stein posted on his facebook page about Obama. It may indeed be a breakdown in discipline. However, the CIC does not have hands on interaction with everybody in the federal service, regardless to the fact that he’s the man in charge.
As to handling it, I think he’s done a much better job at this one as in past incidents. An even better comparison is that agents lost their jobs because of ethical lapses. Congressmen who violate ethical standards (most recently insider trading) get re-elected. I’d say that the executive branch has a much better grip on effective leadership when compared to the legislative branch.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 26th, 2012
9:22 pm
They BOTH Suck:
“This is going to get ugly I believe”
Let the chips fall where they may and as I always say, “I call ‘em like I see ‘em”.
That said ……… here is an excellent editorial on the subject.
“Let’s get real about the Secret Service … ”
“Congress, that well known arbiter of upstanding behavior and transparency, is now doing what they love to do more than anything else; hold hearings during which they chastise others and express concern. Concern tinged with palpable outrage.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/04/26/let-get-real-about-secret-service-candal-and-what-went-on-in-colombia/#ixzz1tCQxIIAB
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/04/26/let-get-real-about-secret-service-candal-and-what-went-on-in-colombia/
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 26th, 2012
9:22 pm
Brosephus:
Thank you.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:23 pm
You yourself admitted you are a union thug.
No sir, once again…. You’re using your logic from that little pea inside your skull that would otherwise be called a brain. Just because union MEMBER in reality equates to union thug in your little world does not make that true. However, considering I’m talking to someone who displays the logic of a dead pet rock, I don’t even know why I waste time responding to your petty sh*t.
Jay
April 26th, 2012
9:23 pm
Yeah. Not much you can say, is there Recon….
Jm
April 26th, 2012
9:23 pm
U can’t pin the secret service mess on Obama
That’s just silly
Jm
April 26th, 2012
9:24 pm
Is the head of the secret service a political appointee?
I’m almost certain: not
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
9:25 pm
“Its a war we cannot win because these people simply are not ready for democracy. Not even close.”
agree
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:27 pm
“You sound like you have a lot of first hand information that you can share with us.”
Yeah,they wrote a book .
Read it.
Thulsa Doom
April 26th, 2012
9:29 pm
I’m sure some people pin the secret service mess On Obama but I don’t think that’s reasonable either. Wouldn’t be fair to blame that on Obama.
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:31 pm
doomy is now fair.
Trent went to Cleveland.
Third pick.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:32 pm
You seem to forget that. Its not our job to pay you significantly higher than comparable private sector workers in terms of benefits and salary.
BULLSH*T!!! Pull your little stats out that skew to show what you choose to see. Nevermind the fact that the public sector is generally far more educated than the private sector and many public sector jobs have no private sector counterpart. Just because the private sector worker let themselves get screwed out of benefits and pay over the past 30-40 years does not mean that other people have to bend over and get screwed in the same manner.
I never said anything about public sector people NOT working for the taxpayer, but in the manner that we work for you, we are not your damned house servants. We work for you just as much as we work for us.
You claim not to blame public sector workers, but anytime the subject comes up, your context and demeanor says far more than you’ll ever openly admit to. I don’t think that conservatives hate public workers, they merely use us as punching bags and scapegoats to increase their re-election potential because the mindless sheep eat their sh*t up and vote likewise on election day. Probably half the public sector workforce is conservative and/or vote GOP.
The only thing you hear me voice my opinion on is the fact that I refuse to let someone dog me out. You want shared sacrifice, then explain why fed workers have given up $60 billion in deficit reduction plans since the GOP took control of the house while the people with the means to give a few extra dollars haven’t contributed a damn dime extra…
Mick
April 26th, 2012
9:33 pm
recon
Painting yourself into a corner seems to be your stock in trade….
barking frog
April 26th, 2012
9:33 pm
As CiC the president takes
the hit and gets the credit
for the actions of his
subordinates.
Thulsa Doom
April 26th, 2012
9:34 pm
getalife,
Mr. Trent Richardson is gonna get
P
A
I
D
!
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer young man. He took a girl that is cancer or MS stricken can’t remember which to the prom and made her year. Stand up guy and a great football player.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:35 pm
Scout
Not hard to agree with what you said. I’d go as far to say that any man who’s job requirement is that he takes a bullet on purpose so that his protectee doesn’t take it deserves to have a little leeway when it comes to their private lives. What we consider a lapse in ethics might be another person’s way of coping with the severity and stress of their occupation. I am not one to judge.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
9:35 pm
brosephus
The truth of the matter is that people like sink have union envy. They wish they had a job with benefits, healthcare, and a pension but since they don’t, they are envious and bitter…
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:36 pm
You are correct Frog.
Like murdoch said today, the buck stops with him.
He did not fire Sullivan because he forced him to clean up his mess.
That is how our President operates.
josef
April 26th, 2012
9:37 pm
JAY
Scout do love doing the two-step…maybe he should go into journalism in his retirement…
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:38 pm
Doom
I stand corrected. Based on the new pension requirement, that contribution now stands at $75 Billion towards deficit reduction. What has the private sector contributed?
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:40 pm
doomy,
Two LSU players went the first round and two for Bama so far.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
9:40 pm
“The metric will be what Obama as CiC does to correct this issue and not what he does to minimize it.”
For Brosephus and Jay, sorry guys but the above is an important part of my post that you both attempted to take out of context. School isn’t out yet on Obama’s handling of this serious issue. Brosephus just to enlighten you some, Amos didn’t make the final decision on that facebook posting E-5 Sgt. He delegated that decision down the chain of command and it was made. Will Obama hold Sullivan accountable? We shall see.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
9:43 pm
mick, your stock in trade is that you’re an A.H.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 26th, 2012
9:44 pm
Jm:
“Is the head of the secret service a political appointee?
I’m almost certain: not”
He is and serves at the pleasure of the president.
However, due to the unique experience required, Directors of the Secret Service have always been career employees.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
9:46 pm
recon
Yes, you are correct, I’m an unknown American Hero, thanks for blowing my cover…
Josef
April 26th, 2012
9:46 pm
Del
Not true on Mick…we disagree on a number of things, but he’s never been a A hole about it…in fact, I’ve found him to be quite the opposite with me….
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:46 pm
Make that three Alabama players.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 26th, 2012
9:46 pm
Brosephus:
Well said. There is a lot of stress involved – extensive travel, long, long hours, shift work, etc., etc.
Still, the great, great majority of agents find better ways to deal with it.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
9:49 pm
“Still, the great, great majority of agents find better ways to deal with it.”
I am glad and sure that is a fact
Mick
April 26th, 2012
9:49 pm
josef
Chill…nothing serious…just funnin with del, he knows I respect his service but disagree 360 with his warped politics…
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:50 pm
They went to a strip club in El Salvador.
That is not a scandal.
That is boys night out.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
9:50 pm
josef, mick claims to be an American hero, so why defend him from being an ass hole.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:51 pm
Recon
I know that Amos didn’t make the final decision, so why should it be inferred that Obama has to? To try to make this as some direct reflection on Obama is nothing but political posturing.
You’re right, school isn’t out yet, but given the fact that there are several more openings in the Secret Service now than there were before the Colombia trip would lead one to think that Sullivan is doing a pretty good job at vetting things out thoroughly so far. I know it’s hard for some of y’all to give credit to anything positive that might reflect on Obama, but I simply agree with Scout and others on this one. Obama’s not the donkey that the tail is pinned on in this case.
To claim, using your words, “The metric will be what Obama as CiC does to correct this issue and not what he does to minimize it.” gives the impression that you expect Obama to be hands on in correcting every issue that pops up in the federal service. If he has to live up to that expectation, when does he have the time to actually do HIS job and not the job of people who actually are responsible for handling issues such as this?
Thulsa Doom
April 26th, 2012
9:51 pm
“BULLSH*T!!! Pull your little stats out that skew to show what you choose to see”
Really? You really want to go there bro? Start by comparing the pensions and what the USPS spends on postal service pay, benefits, and pensions relative to UPS and Fedex. The whole thing dragging down the postal service is the bloated pay, pensions and benefits. Go ahead now. Look it up and you’ll begin to understand what the hell I’m talking about.
“we are not your damned house servants”
No one said that you were. Just that your benefits should be more in line with the private sector is all. Again. Start witht he UPS and USPS and Fedex comparison.
“your context and demeanor says far more than you’ll ever openly admit to”
I’ll say it one last time so that perhaps it will finally sink in. Its not about the rank and file employees. Its about govt inefficiency which has more to do with the people at the top and the laws of organizational behavior in a bureaucracy than anything else. But yet you keep taking it personally . Get the damn chip off your shoulder.
Good example of what I’m talking about. I’m sure you and your counterprarts work very hard. But I watched a Stossel report on major airports around the country who either chose the TASA when they had a chance or privatized. Oddly enough San Franc chose a private firm. Guess what. They don’t have the near 50% turnover that TSA has according to Stossel, things run more efficiently, they nab more suspicious packages in tests because they are better trained, morale is better, and they aren’t strip searching granny, patting down 4 year olds, and feeling up former miss Americas.
And in a part of the report that typifies the whole difference between a private firm and the TSA they talked about tourist cities who have peak seasonal demand. The private firm adjusts for its and hires or transfers extra workers to help out. But the TSA? You kidding. I don’t remember the airport but I think it was the one that serves Yellowstone or Jackson Hole, WY. Anyway the frustration they had at this airport was that airport passengers tripled during the summer tourist season. But do the idiots who run TSA transfer or hire additional staff to meet the demand? Um. No. Dumb as hell and just one more reason on top of all the ridiculous searches of granny that your organization is held in such pitifully low esteem.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
9:52 pm
recon
Well mr soldier, you just peed in your chili and lost it…enough said…
Thulsa Doom
April 26th, 2012
9:54 pm
getalife,
I know Morris Claiborne went early. Who wass the other Russell Sheperd?
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:54 pm
doomy,
No attacks.
Great job.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
9:55 pm
josef, mick thinks my politics are warped but so do you. What’s the big deal this evening? I think both yours and micks politics are warped. Okay, I’m off to check into the NFL draft.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
9:55 pm
recon
By the way, I demand a retraction….if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Slang and profane are beneath the debate…
Josef
April 26th, 2012
9:55 pm
Del
All’s I said was he’s never been one with me. So’s I don’t agree it’s his “stock in trade.”.
Jm
April 26th, 2012
9:56 pm
Scout 9:44 interesting
Makes sense in a way
But a little weird
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:56 pm
doomy,
I can’t remember his name but he is a defensive end.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
Scout: Still, the great, great majority of agents find better ways to deal with it.
Yeah, I agree. I’m not saying that I condone their actions. However, I do understand that different people handle stress in different manners, and different coping mechanisms for stress are found all across many different agencies. If you keep in contact with any of your aviation guys, you’re probably aware of the problem that agency has been having with suicides. That’s one of the downsides to having a very stressful job. Some people just can’t cope.
Jm
April 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
You guys ever see this AMC series, Walking Dead, all filmed in Atlanta?
Trippy
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:58 pm
doomy,
Bockers went to the Rams.
Recon 0311 2533
April 26th, 2012
10:01 pm
“I know that Amos didn’t make the final decision, so why should it be inferred that Obama has to?”
Brosephus, because Sullivan is a direct report to the President. An E-5 in relationship to the Commandant of the Marine Corps? I shouldn’t have to tell you about the command chain or maybe I should.
Josef
April 26th, 2012
10:04 pm
G’night…