Romney, Obama fighting for the young vote

One of the battlegrounds of the 2012 presidential campaign will be younger voters, as the Associated Press reports:

WASHINGTON — Once thought to be solidly behind President Barack Obama, younger voters burdened by a bleak employment picture, high gas prices and student loan debt are being aggressively wooed by the Democrat and his likely Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

In 2008, Obama had a 34-point advantage over Republican Sen. John McCain among voters under age 30. He won about two-thirds of the vote in that age group.

But a new Harvard poll suggests the president may face a harder sales job with younger voters this time around. Obama led Romney by 12 points among those ages 18-24, according to the survey. Among those in the 25-29 age group, Obama held a 23-point advantage.

To keep that advantage among young voters, Obama is campaigning to keep interest rates on student loans at their current level. Unless Congress takes action by July, those rates are scheduled to double from 3.4 percent to 6.8 percent. According to Obama, “that’s basically a $1,000 tax hike for more than 7 million students across America.”

However, the House Republican budget makes no provision for such a change, which puts Romney in a bit of a pickle. Should he side with House Republicans, or should he side with college students and recent college graduates? On Monday, he made his choice.

“Particularly with the number of college graduates that can’t find work or that can only find work well beneath their skill level, I fully support the effort to extend the low interest rate on student loans,” Romney told reporters.

Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him, at least on this issue. Maybe the strategy will work; maybe it won’t. But I suspect it would work at least a little bit better if Romney could also pull off something like this:

– Jay Bookman

779 comments Add your comment

arnold

April 25th, 2012
2:09 pm

Romney would screw up the TV appearance.

arnold

April 25th, 2012
2:10 pm

O.K. Also first.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
2:21 pm

Jay

The Meebo Bar is annoying and the refresh is slower.

Jay

April 25th, 2012
2:23 pm

Kam, you should be able to hid the Meego bar by hitting the blue and gold logo at the far right and then hitting “hide bar”.

USMC

April 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

Midtown Hatecrime Murderer mentally competent to stand trial…
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/judge-midtown-shooting-suspect-1425737.html

Adam

April 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

No contest: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/hardball/47165359

“Obama is cool. Romney is not cool.” – funniest thing I heard all day yesterday. It also may help explain why Romney trying to get the youth vote is a useless effort.

one and only

April 25th, 2012
2:25 pm

I hit the blue and gold and then hide bar and lo and behold it worked

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

Bruno and Jam

Left you two a msg downstairs…….

Adam

April 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

Kamchak, Jay: AWESOME! I have been annoyed by that thing for days… thanks for the hint.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

Jay

Yeah, I do that but the show tab is right next to the scroll down tab and I keep switching the damn thing off and on.

carlosgvv

April 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

Jay, some economists have said the huge amount of student loan debt, and the possible large number of defaults in the not too distant future, will be the next great financial disaster in the US. If this happens, or starts to happen, before the next election, it’s hard to see which party would benefit and which party would suffer.

As for the young vote, Obama has far more ability to connect with them than Romney, who probably reminds too many of them of a cold and distant parent.

Logical Dude

April 25th, 2012
2:27 pm

Jay says: you should be able to hid the Meebo bar (fixed your typo)

But. . . but . .. how do we GET RID OF IT?
(I know the answer. . . “You don’t”. . . but we REALLY dislike it)

270 more days

April 25th, 2012
2:28 pm

No wonder that O’Bama will be hurting as far as the youth vote goes, even in youth, you learn from previious mistakes, like voting for all that “Hope and Change” that was not delivered

Peadawg

April 25th, 2012
2:29 pm

“Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him”

Isn’t that what the GOP is afraid of? Did Romney reset the etch-a-sketch?

getalife

April 25th, 2012
2:30 pm

willard is losing the young, women, Senior and Latino votes because his party attacked them.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
2:33 pm

JAY
what would the Democratic Senate budget do to student loans?

Jay

April 25th, 2012
2:36 pm

Generation$crewed

April 25th, 2012
2:36 pm

Jay,

I think you hit on a point in the piece in regards to the rate of employment by recent college grads….

If those same voters link that to Obama that is more of a problem for him. Romney can just shift to without a job what does the interest rate matter.

But as one with student loans (stupid reasons didn’t need them, which is an entire different debate about the overuse of loans) it does bite enouch already that I have to pay more than the min. On the slip each month just to stay ahead and actually make gains.

I would suggest reforming the loan process and its regulations. Increasing the amount of work study in replace of loans to lower the amount of defaults that are currently a drag upon the system. Those defaults are one of the drivers of an actual need to raise the interest rate. But that gets back to grads being able to find work

Gale

April 25th, 2012
2:36 pm

They want to court the young voters? Get companies hiring again. Companies are not hiring, fix the economy. It’s the economy, stupid! (Not you.) Stop pandering to special interests and telling voters whatever they want to hear. Just get the economy moving and the rest will sort out.

ty webb

April 25th, 2012
2:38 pm

Actions speak louder than words…with that said, senator Obama didn’t even vote for the “student loan interest bill” while he was a senator. He missed the vote twice…funny jay omitted this fact…Oh, and it’s too bad Jay can’t even explain this as a “protest vote” a la Obama’s debt ceiling hypocrisy.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
2:38 pm

JAY
that is a single bill, i am asking about the Democratic Budget from the Senate…… just like you reference the Republican Budget from the House

Brad Steel

April 25th, 2012
2:39 pm

Romney will certainly win the Hannity Youth vote.

I too vote against the Meebo.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
2:40 pm

Our President is smooth and connects with the American people.

willard is fake, lies and thinks the American people are stupid.

President Obama by 10.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

Just hide the Meebo bar.

The AJC needs to make money too.

JR

April 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

The question is whether young voters will turn out in the numbers they did in 2008. They may support Obama by a large margin, but will they vote this election? I’m thinking a lot of them will sit on the sidelines (like young voters typically do).

rightwing troll

April 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

” even in youth, you learn from previious mistakes”

And old people do not, hence the rush back to the future and more of W’s disastrous policies.

Brad Steel

April 25th, 2012
2:43 pm

As opposed to futzing with student loans – possibly the main contibutor to runaway college costs inflation – , the charge should be getting tutition inflation under control and getting the publically owned, chartered and subsidized universities back to serving the public at a cost the public can afford.

Romeny – get my vote by showing something better than just me-too pandering.

270 more days

April 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

“How about one of you left wingers tell us what is wrong with “no spending without equal cuts.”

USMC

April 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

It’s Georg… I mean Barak Obama’s Fault! :-)

ty webb

April 25th, 2012
2:45 pm

“and more of W’s disastrous policies.”

like the student loan interest bill that Bush signed into law that obama’s now pushing for extending, although he didn’t even to bother to vote for when he had the opportunity?

mm

April 25th, 2012
2:47 pm

So, Obama has wrapped up:

The female vote.
The under 30 vote.
The minority vote.

That leaves the GOP with the old white man vote and the religious fanatics.

The independant vote is up for grabs, if they don’t fall into one of the above categories.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
2:47 pm

1731 more days to go!

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
2:49 pm

Demwits keep telling me tax cuts are the reason our country is bankrupt. Why are the Demwits trying to bankrupt the country?

Why are these college grads having trouble finding work? The Demwits keep telling me how much better we’re doing under obama and that the economy is rockin’ and rollin’. Which is it?

Adam

April 25th, 2012
2:50 pm

How about one of you left wingers tell us what is wrong with “no spending without equal cuts.”

Fine. We’ll start with the Department of Defense. I assume you mean NEW spending, and do not count the wars as new spending, therefore making them cuttable too.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
2:50 pm

in other words

April 25th, 2012
2:51 pm

If you want to live at home with your parents vote Obama.

If you want a job vote for Romney.

If you want to be an unemployed Bookman blogger vote Obama.

Pretty simple choice.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
2:52 pm

Demwits keep telling me tax cuts are the reason our country is bankrupt.

No, the BUSH tax cuts, enacted in 2001 and 2003, are PART of the reason. T here’s also Medicare Part D and wars. So, unless you have a time machine and can go back and stop those things, the damage is done, and the best we can do now is roll back all three of those things to get to the cuts you desire.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
2:52 pm

First of all, what is a “dimwit”?

Maybe if you could relax a little on the name calling (like kids do, yes some lefties here do it as well), maybe we can discuss and debate your questions in an intelligent manner….

in other words

April 25th, 2012
2:52 pm

“Obama is cool.”

If that’s all Obama supporters have, he’s done. Then again, what is so cool about eating a dog?

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
2:53 pm

Thurston Howell III vs. the Professor?

Youngsters always preferred the Professor. No matter when the poll is taken.

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
2:53 pm

Here in lies the problem, in my opinion anyway, with American politics. Too many people expect too much from candidates. Whether you like to think of it that way or not, that’s the way it is. The prevailing theory seems to be that to get the “youth vote,” you have to have try and give something to the college kids to try and entice them to vote for you. Same with every other group of people around. Maybe we should take a hard look at this and we’ll could gain some insight into exactly how the mess we’re in financially started. On this one, as someone who is currently in school, and with a spouse in school, using student loans to pay for both schools, I oppose the plan. But then again, I strongly opposed the plans the government had largely pushing the student loan market out of the private banks also, and that did no good.

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
2:53 pm

-Jay

Can I get a byline from my 1:39 for this?

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
2:54 pm

I apologize, meant to type “demwits”..

Do not want to misquote such an intelligent post such as yours

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
2:54 pm

“Kam, you should be able to hid the Meego bar by hitting the blue and gold logo at the far right and then hitting “hide bar”

Doesn’t work if you can’t save cookies…which I can’t.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
2:55 pm

i prefer to see MaryAnn vs Ginger

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
2:56 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA – Mud wrestling? Sounds good to me. :)

Gm

April 25th, 2012
2:56 pm

Throw in the Vet votes, Obama has done more for Vets then any President since President Roosevelt, vets who know how to research and not fill with hate such as fake USMC has his support.

According to scum bag Sean Hannity who has been jealous of Obama from day one because he droped out of 3 colleges and Obama did not, states Romney wins big, now after 1 year of ripping all federal programs, two face Mitt is supporting gov programs, the guy will sell his own mother out for a vote.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
2:57 pm

Now That’s Cool. A big standing O for the big O. Mitt’s best chance at a rebuttal would be on the Muppet Show with co-stars Boehner and McConnell and Cantor and Ryan.

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
2:57 pm

adam- No, the BUSH tax cuts, enacted in 2001 and 2003, are PART of the reason. T here’s also Medicare Part D

Given the obama tax cuts and obamacare, I can’t believe you haven’t taken a shot at the man yourself. You must be out of your skull with all that hatred for the man.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
2:58 pm

its settled
Maryann vs Ginger
mudwrestling
in 5 televised “matches”

getalife

April 25th, 2012
2:59 pm

At what point is our President good enough for you?

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
3:00 pm

Then we do Samantha vs. Genie? And then the winner of both go for the title?

Peadawg

April 25th, 2012
3:01 pm

“A big standing O for the big O.” – That’s what she said.

Donovan

April 25th, 2012
3:02 pm

Absolutely pathetic. Pandering to young people who have mush for brains at their age is just another playbook tactic of the Democrat Party. Unfortunately Mitt must fall in lest he be portrayed as cold and uncaring. Oh, wait…you people already have started that rumor.

Ask these youngsters who Obama is and what are his principles and they have no clue just like they had no clue in 2008. These kids only stand for free hand outs, free lunches, and free rent at home with mom and dad;kind of like the Occupy Movement losers.

Jimmy Fallon and all the other liberal hacks won’t help your community organzer from Chicago thugland win another term. Not even with the help of ACORN, SEIU, or Hollywood.

I just love the hypocrisy of the Democrat Party which was responsible in 2007 for voting for the student loan interest sliding scale, but now wants to look like Santa Claus to students. Disgusting!

By the way…today the Supremes argue the immigration case of Arizona. Since you Democrats expect to lose the case, your boy Chuck Shumer wants to legislate a bill to override a favorable decision by legislating a bill so as states cannot fight illegal immigration. Low class! You people don’t care about this country. You people are only concerned about growing Democrat votes. Unbelievable!

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
3:02 pm

they both- What’s a “Demwit”

A Demwit is a proud card carrying member of the Democrat National Party. Sheeple who blindly follow our president and other high ranking government officials who have (D) after their name.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

its settled
Maryann vs Ginger
mudwrestling
in 5 televised “matches”

Better than the “debates” will be.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

i prefer to see MaryAnn vs Ginger

I prefer to see Chelsea vs. Real Madrid.

M.A.R.E. - Meebo Abuse Resistance Education

April 25th, 2012
3:04 pm

The meebo toolbar steals browser space and slows performance. If you’re willing to deploy a blunt-force fix, and you use Firefox. get the Adblock Plus or Adblock Lite extensions and add this line to the filter:

||*meebo.com/*

I hate to block ads on a useful (and otherwise free) ad-supported site like ajc.com, but the meebo bar is instrusive and rude.

Peadawg

April 25th, 2012
3:04 pm

“A Demwit is a proud card carrying member of the Democrat National Party. Sheeple who blindly follow our president and other high ranking government officials who have (D) after their name.”

JKL2, just curious…what do you someone who blindly follow high ranking gov’t officials who have (R) after their name?

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
3:06 pm

JKL2, just curious…what do you someone who blindly follow high ranking gov’t officials who have (R) after their name?

So much great snark, so little time….

getalife

April 25th, 2012
3:06 pm

And Donovan attacks the young Americans.

Typical con .

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
3:08 pm

getalife- At what point is our President good enough for you?

As soon as he resigns or is voted out in November.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
3:08 pm

JKL2, just curious…what do you someone who blindly follow high ranking gov’t officials who have (R) after their name?

Brown noser.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
3:09 pm

(ir)Rational

i am bewitched at those dream match ups

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Obama should put all those graduating seniors to work – reinstate the draft. Let’s go bomb a country….I’d like to annex Canada.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

I see the Republicans are pushing again to cut those federal government pensions.

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Kam – Yeah, I prefer to see Chelsea finally get beaten by a team I like, so I’m going for Bayern. ;)

Common Sense

April 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

I thought more education was the answer to jobs? Yet we have record student loan debt and no job prospects.

At what point will you admit this just isn’t working?

getalife

April 25th, 2012
3:11 pm

If you wonder why you cons are marginalized by other Americans, read don’s melt down @3:02pm.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
3:11 pm

“||*meebo.com/*”

On IE I put http://*.meebo.com on the Restricted Sites and when I refreshed the screen it wasn’t there anymore

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 25th, 2012
3:12 pm

And an Idiot is someone who follows people with an (Fox) on their paycheck.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:12 pm

(ir)Rational

Lio Messi awesomely missed that PK yesterday.

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
3:14 pm

peadawg- JKL2, just curious…what do you someone who blindly follow high ranking gov’t officials who have (R) after their name?

Almost a coherent sentence, but I’ll follow your logic. I don’t know any, so I’ll let you know after I meet them. You might want to ask getalife since he loves calling people names. I’m sure he’s got a few you can use.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 25th, 2012
3:15 pm

Pandering to young people who have mush for brains

LOL! Don’t listen to the Fallon guy, listen to Donovan, ya mush-brained idjits!

getalife

April 25th, 2012
3:15 pm

“As soon as he resigns or is voted out in November.”

Try to be a better loser this time.

willard will lose.

Fly on the Wall

April 25th, 2012
3:16 pm

If getalife thinks Don had a meltdown, he needs to head back to school.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
3:16 pm

I don’t know any, so I’ll let you know after I meet them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhhahahahahahahahahahahaha

aaaahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Seriously, Dude. Too funny.

Aquagirl

April 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

read don’s melt down @3:02pm.

Free hand outs, Chicago thugland, ACORN…..That boy almost filled the whole Con Bingo card by himself.

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

Kam – To paraphrase you, IDONTWANNATALKABOUTIT.

Peadawg

April 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

“I don’t know any, so I’ll let you know after I meet them.” –

*stop laughing so hard*

Here’s a hint. Look in the mirror. Or talk to Jm. Or Thulsa Doom.

There’s a start.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

JKL2: Given the obama tax cuts and obamacare, I can’t believe you haven’t taken a shot at the man yourself. You must be out of your skull with all that hatred for the man

Sure, Obama added to the debt. Total amount for Obama policies, including the extension of the tax cuts: $1.93T. Total amount for Bush, including everything he did: $5.1T. Even if you extrapolate that out and include no cuts in your analysis (like the automatic ones set to occur) his total amount will be less than $4T for two terms.

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
3:20 pm

-And an Idiot is someone who follows people with an (Fox) on their paycheck

Who needs truth when we have DNC talking points/propoganda to listen to…

Logical Dude

April 25th, 2012
3:22 pm

Donovan: young people who have mush for brains at their age

So, what SHOULD the voting age be?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
3:23 pm

adam lives the world of fuzzy math

the world of clinton and its according to what the definition of is is!

obama debt = 1/2 of actual debt acrrued in his administration

and our math scores compared to the rest of the world slide further downward

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
3:23 pm

getalife- Try to be a better loser this time.

Try to vote based on something other than the skin color.

Too bad you guys threw Hillary under the bus…

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
3:24 pm

“So, what SHOULD the voting age be?”

Easy. Whatever age they are eligible to be drafted and in danger of dying for their country.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
3:24 pm

adam lives the world of fuzzy math

the world of clinton and its according to what the definition of is is!

Or you could look at this helpful chart:

http://chartporn.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/image3.png

mehlman rings twice

April 25th, 2012
3:25 pm

Uncle Samantha @ 2:55 pm:
I don’t know if Marianne (Mrs. Gingrich #2) and Ginger (Herman Cain’s girl) will go for that.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:26 pm

(ir)Rational

The Real Madrid – FC Bayern München game is on FX right now.

Real Madrid ——— 2
Bayern München — 1

42nd minute.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
3:27 pm

“Try to vote based on something other than the skin color”

Yeah, we should have voted by sex instead. Much more exciting.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
3:31 pm

yes adam lives in the world where everything on the internet is true
especially when they come from a site called chartporn
and it caters to your point of view

next he is going to tell us that breitbart and fox post incorrect stats that lean to a republican view

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
3:31 pm

Kam – I’m at work, and unable to partake, but Bayern needs to kick it into gear. We can’t have Ronaldo pretending he is the best. It just isn’t true, and it upsets a lot of people.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
3:32 pm

From downstairs about “NEVER mentioning Bush” and “evil rich”, sorry:

So far, opinion, assumptions, and “reading between the lines” conjecture.

Using that logic, then the “con” are right when they say libs view the rich as “evil”.
I hear from “libs”:

Eat the rich.
They don’t do anything to help others.
They would sell their own mother to make a buck. (that would be pretty evil)
They would sleep with the devil to make a buck. (pretty evil as well)
They want the middle class to starve so they can have more money. (pretty evil)

You get my point. Just like ALL dems/libs DO NOT think the rich are “evil”, ALL repubs/cons do not feel Bush should NEVER be mentioned.

But, if you twist enough, you can make the point that they do.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
3:33 pm

yes adam lives in the world where everything on the internet is true
especially when they come from a site called chartporn
and it caters to your point of view

Impuning the source without offering your own data to back up your point of view is lazy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:34 pm

We can’t have Ronaldo pretending he is the best.

But he is the best, at diving.

Just break wind within 5 yards of the boy and he’ll fall over grabbing his ankle.

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

Kam – Lord ain’t that the truth, although I will say he’s got nothing on the French or Italians. I hate his post score celebration too, it annoys me when he tries to act like he doesn’t have an ego. We all know he is full of sh*t, I mean himself, be proud of yourself when you score, and don’t act like a dweeb.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:38 pm

ALL repubs/cons do not feel Bush should NEVER be mentioned.

I haven’t used the word “ALL”, you have.

I’m not gonna defend a position I didn’t take.

I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
3:39 pm

byteme

you can make any stat you want based on manipulating data

you can make the argument that more debt was accumulated by the DEMOCRATICALLY controlled Congress of 2007-2010……… the stats will back that up as the worst 2 Congresses in the history of debt for this nation

next you are going to tell me that rich people actually pay the 35% tax bracket when they are in that…………. but then you can start skewing numbers to mix and match income vs earned income or combined earned income with capital gains……..etc.

statistics are manipulated

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
3:40 pm

you can make any stat you want based on manipulating data

Again, a lazy argument. Either show where the data is manipulated or provide your own data. Don’t just paint with a broad brush and expect us to take it seriously.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:41 pm

I hate his post score celebration too, it annoys me…

Meh.

The ones that gets me are the thumb suckers. WTF is that about?

Butch Cassidy

April 25th, 2012
3:42 pm

Donovan – “young people who have mush for brains at their age ”

Well then, I guess we better stop sending them off to foreign countries to fight our wars.

stands for decibels

April 25th, 2012
3:43 pm

Absent anything particularly useful or even funny to add to Jay’s topic, I’ll offer this food for thought.

Bruno, downstairs, said (paraphrasing) that he didn’t think Mitt was necessarily the greatest on all the issues, but he’d vote for him because of a perceived edge Mitt had on economics issues.

Setting aside whether you think Bruno’s right about Mitt–anyone who knows me knows I don’t agree–it does beg a deeper question, regardless of your political ideology.

Just how much would you be willing to overlook in a Presidential candidate, if you thought he/she would do a better job managing the economy? What kind of social issues would you “deal” away in exchange for what you thought would be more prosperity for all?

How much expected prosperity would buy your vote, so to speak?

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

Kam – Read Shakespeare one too many times (once maybe?) and got stuck on the “bite your thumb at me” line?

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
3:48 pm

doggone- Yeah, we should have voted by sex instead. Much more exciting.

I voted for Palin (which would be your choice). obama’s Secret Service detail even agrees with me on that one.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
3:48 pm

Jay: Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him, at least on this issue. Maybe the strategy will work; maybe it won’t. But I suspect it would work at least a little bit better if Romney could also pull off something like this:

Adam: Obama is cool. Romney is not cool.

Just my opinion, but anyone who bases their choice for the Leader of the Free World on how “cool” they are must have a few screws loose. I look for other qualities, such as competence.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
3:50 pm

especially when they come from a site called chartporn
and it caters to your point of view

I don’t suppose you actually LOOKED at the chart. It was a copy of one from another source. You can read the source in small text at the bottom right.

Peadawg

April 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

“I voted for Palin” – There’s your sign.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

Bruno: Just my opinion, but anyone who bases their choice for the Leader of the Free World on how “cool” they are must have a few screws loose. I look for other qualities, such as competence.

My opinion too. I just happened to think that was funny.

It really is no more a sound basis to vote on than gas prices. The basis for voting for someone is what their proposed policy platform is, and whether or not you can reasonably believe they will attempt to follow through. Nothing more, nothing less.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

(ir)Rational

Just looked it up on Wiki.

The scorer sucking his thumb as a tribute to his child(ren).

Awwwww, ain’t that just precious.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Ask these youngsters who Obama is and what are his principles and they have no clue just like they had no clue in 2008. These kids only stand for free hand outs, free lunches, and free rent at home with mom and dad;kind of like the Occupy Movement losers.

Donovan–Good post. It’s a little hard for me to get behind any giveaway programs for students. I paid all of my student loans back at interest rates of 8% and 12% respectively (2 types of loans). That on top of working full-time throughout school so that I wouldn’t have to borrow as much.

The problem with college today is that it costs too damn much, at least for private schools. Professors are living lavishly at the expense of our young people. It’s not a loan interest issue.

(ir)Rational

April 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Kam – At least my idea made them not look so much like pansies.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
3:57 pm

Interesting data point I read this past weekend, courtesy the charts at bls.gov:

Since unemployment hit its apex and started to decline, 4 million new jobs were created.

If you look at employment for ages 55+, 4 million more of them are in the worforce.

Coincidence?

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

Bruno and Jam

Left you two a msg downstairs…….

TBS–I was hoping to get off a little early tomorrow, but no go. I’ll be pretty lucky to make the show on time now.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

(ir)Rational

:lol:

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

“I voted for Palin” – There’s your sign.

You needed another sign? I thought the one he was waving about “demwits” was enough.

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
3:59 pm

What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
3:59 pm

Donovan’s post wasn’t a good post, Bruno. It completely misrepresents both people who voted for Obama in 2008 and the Occupy movement. Many people don’t vote for Democrats because they think they’ll get something free out of it. They vote Democrat because they agree with their policy positions.

I am convinced the reason SOME people think that people vote Democrat because they are promised free stuff think so because that’s what THEY would do in THEIR place. That’s the Psychologist’s Fallacy.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
3:59 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
3:38 pm
ALL repubs/cons do not feel Bush should NEVER be mentioned.

I haven’t used the word “ALL”, you have.

I’m not gonna defend a position I didn’t take.

I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night.
_________________________________________________________________________
Valid point in the use of “ALL”.

But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Remember, it’s the same arguement about dems/libs and “evil rich”.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?

Again —

Really?

You don’t recall even one instance of a “Repub/con” reminding everyone here that Bush is no longer in office and therefore irrelevant to this financial melt-down?

Seriously?

Adam

April 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

Recon: What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes.

Funny, what I saw was Jimmy Fallon making the President do something just a bit silly.

Butch Cassidy

April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

Let me break down Democrats vs. Republicans:

Democrats vote for free food, medicine, human services, etc via taxes.

Republicans vote for free everything via tax elimination.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

TBG: But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Remember, it’s the same arguement about dems/libs and “evil rich”.

So, you just want people to stop it. Alright, I’m on board with that.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
4:06 pm

What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes

But Romney reading the Top 10 list on Letterman is distinguished pandering for votes, right?

:lol:

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
4:08 pm

Just how much would you be willing to overlook in a Presidential candidate, if you thought he/she would do a better job managing the economy? What kind of social issues would you “deal” away in exchange for what you thought would be more prosperity for all?

sfd–Valid question, one which DF asked me the other night in a slightly different form. He attempted to contrast Obama’s supposed “compassion” against Romney’s “cold-heartedness”. From where I sit, an improved economy will pretty much wipe away the need for “compassion”. Don’t know about you, but I haven’t benefited from any of the “compassion” anyway.

But don’t mistake my “hold-my-nose-and-vote-for-Romney” position as some type of ringing endorsement. He was my second choice, at best.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes

Recon–I’ll go you one better. To me, Obama looked like a F’ing jackass on that video. I’m not typically a stuffed shirt, but I expect a little decorum from my Pres.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

“A Demwit is a proud card carrying member of the Democrat National Party. Sheeple who blindly follow our president and other high ranking government officials who have (D) after their name.”

Thanks for the follow up. What is the name of an individual who marches in lock step with the Republican Party and actually thinks that talk radio is the news and not opinion and entertainment?

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
4:12 pm

Adam- It completely misrepresents both people who voted for Obama in 2008 and the Occupy movement.

How do you misrepresent the OWS? Those clueless idiots didn’t even understand what they protesting.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
4:12 pm

Bruno: From where I sit, an improved economy will pretty much wipe away the need for “compassion”

No it won’t. It’ll reduce the need, not eliminate the need. By how much depends on how much the economy improves. And I actually can’t believe you’re buying this nonsense that Romney has any better chance to improve the economy than Obama did. He’ll sign off on anything Republicans send him, and those things have already been shown to be the wrong ways to handle economic growth. It might be easy to throw in your “control group” argument, but the fact is that the differences are stark enough between austerity governments and our own to show just what kind of results to expect, even if they are not exact. You’re comparing Newton’s theories of planetary movement to Einstein’s – one is more correct, but both are plenty good enough for a basic model.

Butch Cassidy

April 25th, 2012
4:13 pm

Bruno – “But don’t mistake my “hold-my-nose-and-vote-for-Romney” position as some type of ringing endorsement.He was my second choice, at best.”

That statement describes to a tee how far the election process as well as the candidates have fallen. We’ve gone from “leaders who inspire” “to yeah well, that was the best guy we could get”. Ugh. :(

Adam

April 25th, 2012
4:13 pm

How do you misrepresent the OWS? Those clueless idiots didn’t even understand what they protesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udfYr-UuB8Y

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
4:14 pm

“But Romney reading the Top 10 list on Letterman is distinguished pandering for votes, right?”

I agree and I would suggest including courageous as it takes courage for a Republican to appear on Letterman.

Adam

April 25th, 2012
4:14 pm

JKL2: You’re right, those OWS people sound SO clueless right there.

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
4:15 pm

they both- What is the name of an individual who marches in lock step with the Republican Party and actually thinks that talk radio is the news and not opinion and entertainment?

already been covered. Ask getalife. He’s the official name caller for the lefties here.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:17 pm

TBG from downstairs

Good for you on the ride for Juvenile Diabetes

I will be doing the walk for Lupus awareness at Piedmont on Saturday

What kind of bike do you ride?

You slow and low with the Harleys or a rice burner kind of guy?

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:19 pm

“already been covered. Ask getalife. He’s the official name caller for the lefties here.”

I was asking you since it was you calling people “demwits” and had your own definition for them…

Guess that doesn’t make you a name caller, right?

getalife did it

hahahahahaha

Adam

April 25th, 2012
4:20 pm

Out! See yahs tomorrowahs!

Butch Cassidy

April 25th, 2012
4:20 pm

Just a little insight as to why Mitt will have such a hard time. This was posted by a friend of mine on my FB page regarding the Connecticut Republican Primary:

Voter Turnout Percentage for yesterday’s Republican Presidential Preference Primary was 14.4%

” That is such a shame…in our town of 2,301 registered Republicans only 300 voted…”

Then again, maybe everyone was waiting to see if Romney was going to be the GOP front runner.

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm

adam- You’re right, those OWS people sound SO clueless right there.

and here’s yet another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyiNyEIrmzU&feature=related

With people like this I have real hope for our future…

Jack

April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm

I wish I were young, but not foolish enough to vote for Obama. If Obama has his way, productive citizens will pay to support parasites who game the system and pay no income tax.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm

I agree and I would suggest including courageous as it takes courage for a Republican to appear on Letterman.

Aahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….

So much wrong in so few words. I don’t even want to waste my time correcting your ignorance.

Tax cut

April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm

Let me see if I follow….
Bush tax “cuts” = bad
Purchasing young vote via a tax “cut” = good.
Got it.

Even though I know this is not a tax cut, you are artifically reducing the burden of a group for political favor just the same.
Deferrring tax increases for any reason by anyone has consequences, be they short term benefit or long term damage. Trying to disguise it as something else by either party as some type of gamesmanship is still screwing the taxpayer.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:23 pm

Bruno

Cool…….. Maybe another time

Was going to walk over and have a beer with you if you were going to be there early

I think you mentioned you now live a a good ways from downtown………. Be careful driving

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 25th, 2012
4:23 pm

Well, I think both canadates are making a mistake going after the youth vote. The young people are in classes or working at McDonald’s till noon or so. They they go back to bed and sleep till around 8. By that time the polls are closed.

I say go after the geezers. They never miss going to the polls. Because they got nothing else to do with their time. I’m sure Mr. Mormon Underpants could come up with something on Social Security or Medicare that will get them fired up to vote for him. Or am I missing something here?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:24 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:03 pm
But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?

Again —

Really?

You don’t recall even one instance of a “Repub/con” reminding everyone here that Bush is no longer in office and therefore irrelevant to this financial melt-down?

Seriously?
______________________________________________________________

Kam, of course I recall that happening with some repub/cons here.

But to stretch that to mean “never mention Bush’s name again” is a reach.

Again, not trying to argue, just trying to point out that if you stretch and twist enough then the following statements can be said to be true.

“Libs/dems think the rich are evil.
Repub/cons don’t ever want you to mention Bush’s name again”.

Do you see my point.

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
4:24 pm

“So much wrong in so few words. I don’t even want to waste my time correcting your ignorance.”

You would be much better off trying to correct your own.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:25 pm

Let me see if I follow….

Nope.

You’re wandering, lost in the woods.

GPS device or a compass.

Just suggestin’.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:26 pm

Adam

April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm
TBG: But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Remember, it’s the same arguement about dems/libs and “evil rich”.

So, you just want people to stop it. Alright, I’m on board with that.
__________________________________________________________

By Jove…

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
4:28 pm

You would be much better off trying to correct your own.

Aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

:lol:

You’re too funny. Seriously. Being on Letterman and reading a Top 10 list is “COURAGEOUS” in your world. FUNNY!!!

Lordy. Between you and JKL2, this has been too funny for words.

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
4:30 pm

Four years ago Barack Obama dazzled us in front of Greek columns with sweeping promises of hope and change. But after we came down to earth, after the celebration and parades, what do we have to show for three and a half years of President Obama?

Is it easier to make ends meet? Is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? Have you saved what you needed for retirement? Are you making more in your job? Do you have a better chance to get a better job? Do you pay less at the pump?

If the answer were “yes” to those questions, then President Obama would be running for re-election based on his achievements…and rightly so. But because he has failed, he will run a campaign of diversions, distractions, and distortions. That kind of campaign may have worked at another place and in a different time. But not here and not now. It’s still about the economy …and we’re not stupid.

This election pits the achievers vs. the moochers, folks who want a better America vs. folks who want a European type America. Folks who believe in capitalism vs. folks who believe in socialism.

You have until November to decide who you are. Tick-tock.

Tax cut

April 25th, 2012
4:31 pm

Don’t need a tracking device for favortism, follow your nose.

“To keep that advantage among young voters, Obama is campaigning to keep interest rates on student loans at their current level”, this is throwing a bone to a group for their vote, the monies that were planned to be collected from the higher interest rate must be replaced or do you know of a planned offsetting reduction?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:31 pm

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:17 pm
TBG from downstairs

Good for you on the ride for Juvenile Diabetes

I will be doing the walk for Lupus awareness at Piedmont on Saturday – My SIL has Lupus, so thank you.

What kind of bike do you ride? – Triumph Trophy 1200

You slow and low with the Harleys or a rice burner kind of guy? – It’s a touring bike with a sport bike engine and response, but it has a upright riding stance.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:33 pm

Butch

Turnout has been low in a lot of states….. even when it was still a “race” if there really ever was a race…….

Media attempted to make it a race to keep up the ratings, but Obama’s team has been preparing for Romney for sometime now

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:33 pm

But to stretch that to mean “never mention Bush’s name again” is a reach.

I never asserted that anyone suggested “never mention Bush’s name again”.

Once again, I’m not gonna defend words that I did not use.

Do you see my point.

Not at all, and your use of quotation marks is a suggestion that you are quoting me when I didn’t use those words.

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm

I’m sure those recent college grads would vote for Obama as long as someone holds their place in line at a jobs fair.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm

Casual Observer @ 4:30

Just heard Hanitty and his diatribe about the speech……..

I was in awe

hahahahahahaha

Butch Cassidy

April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm

Casual Observer – “This election pits the achievers vs. the moochers, folks who want a better America vs. folks who want a European type America.”

Which is which? The ones who are for allowing the tax cuts to expire across the board in order pay our bills and keep government running, or the ones who constantly want to defer the cost of running the country via tax elimination?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:25 pm
Let me see if I follow….

Nope.

You’re wandering, lost in the woods.

GPS device or a compass.

Just suggestin’.
______________________________________________________________________

Ok.

Agree to disagree.

I know how brutal you can get, so i truly apreciate the polite responses.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:37 pm

Don’t need a tracking device for favortism, follow your nose.

My nose tells me that you drew a false equivalence with tax cuts and maintaining a
the current interest rates on student loans.

Your comparison smells like two month leftover tuna in the fridge.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
4:38 pm

or do you know of a planned offsetting reduction?

Well, I know what’s been offered, don’t know if it’ll be accepted:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/25/471055/reid-gop-support-for-preventing-student-loan-rate-hike-depends-on-grover-norquists-support/?mobile=nc

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:39 pm

“My SIL has Lupus, so thank you.”

You got it man……..

Enjoy your ride

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:41 pm

30 minutes of free futbol.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:42 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:33 pm
But to stretch that to mean “never mention Bush’s name again” is a reach.

I never asserted that anyone suggested “never mention Bush’s name again”.

Once again, I’m not gonna defend words that I did not use.

Do you see my point.

Not at all, and your use of quotation marks is a suggestion that you are quoting me when I didn’t use those words.
_________________________________________________________________________

My bad, Kam. Excuse the quotation marks, as the words between them were NOT your words.
I think it was *He Who Shall Not Be Named* or something of the like.

Substituting that for “never mention Bush’s name again”, do you now see my comparason to the “evil rich” arguement?

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
4:43 pm

Butch Cassidy

So raising taxes is the answer??? Folks are already struggling, why prolong the agony? It is not an income problem, it is a spending problem.

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:44 pm

TBG

Evans didn’t want too much of Jones

Jones put on a Muay Thai clinic with those bows………… once he had him sized up and Evans got tentative in his attempts to take Jones down…….. it was all over

He was slipping those bows in and you could tell they were stinging……… big time

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:44 pm

OOPS! :blush:

Kam, your 4:25 was not for me. Me so surry. :shame:

pogo

April 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

Hope those graduates can pay for a pound of hamburger meat with their subsidized “cheap” degrees. Otherwise, they may just go hungry because there aren’t any jobs for them. Obama has made sure of that with his supression of industry by federal regulation. If it weren’t for that pesky deficit that we have he could just hire all of the college students using federal taxpayer money. That is exactly what people like Jay and Krugman are talking about when they crtisize the thought of cutting spending . They are followers of Keynes and they think that the government is only thing that can provide for the great “unwashed”.

What is really comical is that Obama is going around spouting he is going to freeze tuition for college students. I bet those fat, spoiled and tenured liberal professors at Harvard and Yale really love that. He has no intention or ability to do this but it sure sounds good to a bunch of dumb asses.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
4:47 pm

“I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.”

Considering this is AT LEAST the second time we’ve seen this here…shouldn’t it be in quotes? I refuse to believe it’s totally original to more than one person. So who’s being quoted?

deegee

April 25th, 2012
4:48 pm

If you have good credit you can get a mortgage for around 4%. Why should students and their parents be paying 6% for student loans? That’s unreasonable. Leave it at 3%.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:48 pm

Kam

TBG is a fair minded dude……… I think is point is pretty good.

We have a few on here (regardless of political ideology) who can not see the forest through the trees…….

They will quote talking points and gibberish while they call out others for quoting talking points and gibberish….

Some of them probably know they do it; while I have come to believe others are flat out lost in space and no matter the facts, situation, topic………….. they will just say the same generalities, talking pts, rhetoric over and over and over…….. and actually think they are some sort of debate champion

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
4:48 pm

They BOTH suck

Good for you. Then I am sure you will enjoy this as well.

Americans have always been eternal optimists. But over the last three and a half years, we have seen hopes and dreams diminished by false promises and weak leadership. Everywhere I go, Americans are tired of being tired, and many of those who are fortunate enough to have a job are working harder for less.

For every single mom who feels heartbroken when she has to explain to her kids that she needs to take a second job … for grandparents who can’t afford the gas to visit their grandchildren … for the mom and dad who never thought they’d be on food stamps … for the small business owner desperately cutting back just to keep the doors open one more month – to all of the thousands of good and decent Americans I’ve met who want nothing more than a better chance, a fighting chance, to all of you, I have a simple message: Hold on a little longer. A better America begins tonight.
—Mitt Romney

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:44 pm
TBG

Evans didn’t want too much of Jones

Jones put on a Muay Thai clinic with those bows………… once he had him sized up and Evans got tentative in his attempts to take Jones down…….. it was all over

He was slipping those bows in and you could tell they were stinging……… big time
______________________________________________________________________________

So true.

Bones used his elbows like jabs. Evans just couldn’t adapt.

Bones is going to tough to beat until someone can match his length and creativity.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm

For what its worth, both my college age kids, and all their friends, know the Supreme Leader is a moron, and laugh at him every chance they get. They are surprised a guy this lacking in skills could become President.

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm

I guess a president who can’t govern must find something else to do albeit at taxpayer expense.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/obama-picture-student-colorado-bar-goes-viral-190325356.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm

Substituting that for “never mention Bush’s name again”, do you now see my comparason to the “evil rich” arguement[sic]?

I understand the argument that you are trying to make, but your comparison falls short in that no liberal here that I can recall has ever used the “evil rich” phrase, while there have been some conservatives that have suggested that the use of Bush’s name is off limits.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

April 25th, 2012
4:50 pm

whooa, where’d that “class welfare” Boortz/Lush Rimjob talky point go?

Cons are gonna alienate so many groups, mon, dey gonna be able to
have dey con-vention in an airport bathroom stall, dontcha know

Republicans waging a “waw on success” makin it harder to pay back
student loans, mon. But dey don’t care.
Their base don’t do that schoolin nonsense.

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
4:47 pm

“I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.” —American taxpayers

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

No it won’t. It’ll reduce the need, not eliminate the need. By how much depends on how much the economy improves.

Looks like Adam skedaddled, but does anyone else here think that something is drastically wrong when 1 out of every 7 people receive Food Stamps??

And I actually can’t believe you’re buying this nonsense that Romney has any better chance to improve the economy than Obama did.

My personal opinion is that a President can’t directly improve the economy. At best, they can attempt to create conditions favorable for job growth, primarily by not attempting to micromanage and manipulate markets. I have no idea what Romney might do if elected, and he himself may not know. But, I trust his business instincts far more than I do Obama’s.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:52 pm

My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone who thinks the Supreme Leader is a moron.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm

the youth need to be taught that Congress, the President, their staffs and all the lobbyists are in the 1%

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm

“American taxpayers”

Interesting. I’m a taxpayer and I never said anything like that. So your attribution is false. Care to try again and get the RIGHT PERSON this time?

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm

“Bones is going to tough to beat until someone can match his length and creativity.”

His reach with legs and arms is a huge plus……….. To take him out someone will have to be willing to take a few blows in efforts to get inside his reach to throw punches up close or take him down so you can attempt to take him out via grappling and jujitsu

You are not going to stand and play the jab game with him……… and win

Butch Cassidy

April 25th, 2012
4:55 pm

Casual Observer – “I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.”

Who says you have to be either? I really don’t care how Romney spends his money, and Obama isn’t reaching directly into my wallet and removing a couple of C-Notes every day. I’d like to not have to pay taxes to support other peoples kids to go to school, ride busses, maintain roads and get hot lunches. Unfortunately, the tax system was not set up like a Burger King where you get to” have it your way.”

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
4:57 pm

“Who says you have to be either?”

Didn’t you know? EVERYTHING is either black or white. There no shades of grey in the conned world.

Paul

April 25th, 2012
4:58 pm

“Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him, at least on this issue. Maybe the strategy will work; maybe it won’t. ”

Not quite. The strategy is to support sensible policies for key constituencies while at the same time drawing a distinction with Pres Obama’s record. Which Romney did on this issue, with follow-on remarks of “…Romney blamed the Obama administration for racking up a debt that young people will pay off for the rest of their lives. “We’re fighting to make sure that we can reduce the deficits and eliminate this debt overhang, and yet the president continues to amass these huge deficits,” Romney said.”

http://www.mndaily.com/2012/04/24/obama-and-romney-talk-student-loan-debt

In other words, the Romney strategy is to acknowledge the President inherited a mess, but his unfamiliarity with real-world business and economic management hindered the recovery, average Americans are paying the price, and Romney has a long and extensive record of experience in such matters.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:58 pm

Casual

Bring them on………. When I need a quick laugh; Rush, Hannity, Boortz, Beck, Levin, etc are never too far away

Those clowns crack me up……… but I must applaud them. They are all doing well at their craft

Actually it is the people who listen and think they are getting the “real” news that crack me up…….

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
4:59 pm

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.

Clever line, but it might be more accurate to say that Obama is now past spending our money, and has raided our kids’ and grandkids’ piggybanks.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
5:01 pm

“I voted for Palin” – There’s your sign.

It’s a sign all right. Perhaps a 30-day supply of penicillin would help clear it up.

pogo

April 25th, 2012
5:01 pm

So a marine is discharged for criticizing this joker that is posing as an American president. Man, we are really screwed. Obama is no “Commander in Chief”, he is a “Propagandizer in Chief”. He leads no-one and he has done nothing but spend our money on his special interests and what have we got for it? NOTHING.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
5:03 pm

…and what have we got for it? NOTHING.

There it is, the entitlement mentality.

What is it that you believe you are entitled to?

Jay

April 25th, 2012
5:03 pm

Clever line, but it might be more accurate to say that Obama is now past spending our money, and has raided our kids’ and grandkids’ piggybanks.

So Bruno, you ready to pay more taxes to stop that from happening?

Paul

April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm

“So a marine is discharged for criticizing this joker that is posing as an American president. ”

pogo, are you ever going to read the Uniform Code of Military Justice?

At least the relevant parts?

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm

Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm

Interesting. I’m a taxpayer and I never said anything like that. So your attribution is false. Care to try again and get the RIGHT PERSON this time?

Hard to speak when you are drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm

“So a marine is discharged for criticizing this joker that is posing as an American president. ”

Explain what his OBLIGATIONS are when he signed up to be a Marine and if he broke any of them………..

Thanks

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm

pogo
a marine violated a code of conduct
they take their codes very seriously
just ask jack nicholson

Jay

April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm

No, why should you, right? We’re getting $1 worth of government services and only paying 70 cents for them. A great deal, keep it coming!

deegee

April 25th, 2012
5:05 pm

Yes, when I was in college I thought I knew everything, too. I used to think that educated professionals were morons. I even thought my mother was a moron and laughed at some of the stuff she did.

Unlike the Supreme Leader, I didn’t graduate from Columbia University and Harvard Law School. I didn’t become the president of the Harvard Law Review. I didn’t earn a law degree. I didn’t work as a civil rights attorney in Chicago or teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. I didn’t serve three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. I didn’t get elected President of the US.

Jay

April 25th, 2012
5:05 pm

And of course, Obama’s not spending a dime that hasn’t been appropriated by Congress.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:06 pm

“Hard to speak when you are drinking the Obama Kool-Aid”

Since I don’t like Kool-Aid I have no problems speaking whatsoever.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
5:06 pm

Oh No! It appears as if Our President might have far more important issues to worry about besides “fighting for the young vote”. SCOTUS just might let integral parts of the Arizona Law stand and gut the mandate out of his crown jewel – Obama-Care. What will we do?

Scooter

April 25th, 2012
5:08 pm

Ah, the under thirty vote… those are the voters who really know what’s best for their long term futures.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 25th, 2012
5:08 pm

jay
the Congress and the President are all in the 1% – 5%
isn’t that part of all our problems?

Paul

April 25th, 2012
5:08 pm

Jay – Bruno

Seems to me if Republicans are really about accountability, they’d support cutting entitlements and extending eligibility for those who are, say, aged 45 and up, as they’re the ones who supported the politicians who got us into this mess. Those below 45 (or whatever age you want to pick as the group that’s responsible) would have current benefits rates apply to them.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
5:09 pm

“And of course, Obama’s not spending a dime that hasn’t been appropriated by Congress.”

Now play fair……… You are not supposed to mention that or the fact that a number of Republicans who voted against the stimulus had MUCHO pork barrel spending within that very bill

They get to look at their constituents in the eye and in same breath and say I voted against that waste of money, but check out the ground we are breaking on this new community center……. but failed to mention where those funds came from

“What a fool believes”……..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
5:12 pm

Going to PKs.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
5:13 pm

Considering this is AT LEAST the second time we’ve seen this here…shouldn’t it be in quotes? I refuse to believe it’s totally original to more than one person. So who’s being quoted?

A google on it turns out that it’s a “thought for the day” floating around some of the crazy Rightwingnutistan sites. No wonder certain people here are re-quoting it without attribution.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:14 pm

“No wonder certain people here are re-quoting it without attribution.”

and why is that not surprising?

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
5:15 pm

the Congress and the President are all in the 1% – 5%
isn’t that part of all our problems?

No.

Our problem is that the voting rules at the state level are stacked in favor of maintaining the existing political duopoly.

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
5:16 pm

and why is that not surprising?

The very same people are the ones I see as having trouble formulating an original thought or acknowledging when their “logic” or facts are flawed. So… “no wonder…” They need to take credit for something even when it’s not their own, just because they’re not creative enough to think something clever without help.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
5:18 pm

Can you just imagine Mitt trying to connect with a young crowd of twenty somethings. He even has a hard time connecting with the Over the Hill White Male Party. His base.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:18 pm

“They need to take credit for something even when it’s not their own, just because they’re not creative enough to think something clever without help.”

And they can always be identified by how quickly they resort to gratuitous insults.

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
5:19 pm

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.—Jay Bookman

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.—Cynthia McKinney

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.—Cynthia Tucker

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.—Ben Franklin

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.—George Washington

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.—Biff Pocoroba

I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.—Larvell ‘Sugar Bear’ Blanks

There…you happy?

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:22 pm

“There…you happy?”

No

Aquagirl

April 25th, 2012
5:22 pm

it turns out that it’s a “thought for the day” floating around some of the crazy Rightwingnutistan sites.

Google “I’m supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack Obama does with mine” and you’ll get 2.5 million hits. The first couple of words change, as the often do when every kayker-type starts bleating. “Apparently” seems to be more in vogue than “amazing.”

Remember that next time you hear our resident cons talk about sheeple or Obama being a messiah. 100% pure unadulterated projection.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
5:23 pm

In other words, the Romney strategy is to acknowledge the President inherited a mess, but his unfamiliarity with real-world business and economic management hindered the recovery, average Americans are paying the price, and Romney has a long and extensive record of experience in such matters.

Paul–Sounds good to me, that’s the campaign message I would promote if I were one of his handlers. Denying that Obama inherited a mess would come across as plain stupid.

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
5:24 pm

Oh, and almost forgot…

Q amdaied anewsnf pspr px cefa eo2mfm lqx vmjke wl —Helen Keller

I’m gone. Fight it out among yourselves – Dalai Lama

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:24 pm

“Denying that Obama inherited a mess would come across as plain stupid”

so is saying he made it worse

Paul

April 25th, 2012
5:24 pm

TaxPayer

The message may just be (and it’d be interesting to see how it’s delivered) “you wanted to connect? Where’d that get you? Now it’s time for competence.”

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

Watergirl argues with the messenger, but not the message. Typical.

Paul

April 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

Bruno

It plays to his strength of “I know what I’m looking at. I understand causes and solutions. I’m not into gratuitous attacks that insult your intelligence. We both have experience with taking bad situations and working to turn them around. The difference between us is, mine worked.”

Then again, one of my favorite books is “If I Ran The Zoo” by Dr. Seuss.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:28 pm

“Now it’s time for competence.”

Do you really think a politician is going to admit that he’s merely competent?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
5:28 pm

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm
You are not going to stand and play the jab game with him……… and win
_________________________________________________

You can win if the game is “How quick can I get knocked out”. :lol:

Paul

April 25th, 2012
5:30 pm

Doggone/GA

“so is saying he made it worse”

I don’t think he’s going that route. I heard a snippet of a speech he delivered the other day. Message was, things are sloooooooowly getting better. And it’s sloooowwwwwww because the President didn’t have the background to get it right from the beginning.

josef

April 25th, 2012
5:30 pm

BUTCH

“I’d like to not have to pay taxes to support other peoples kids to go to school, ride busses, maintain roads and get hot lunches.”

Sadly, I do believe you’re serious. I, for one, gladly and cheerfully pay that portion of my taxes that go for that and it wouldn’t hurt me to pay more for those things…

AS FOR THE TOPIC AT HAND
This crop of young voters are not nearly as starry-eyed as their class four years ago,,,and many of those from four years ago have taken off the rose-colored glasses and ready to express their buyer’s remorse at the ballot box…at least of those who will bother to even mosey on down to the polls…
four years

Paul

April 25th, 2012
5:31 pm

Doggone/GA

Don’t like competent?

Then pick another adjective.

Whichever one picks the theme he seems to be developing.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:31 pm

“I don’t think he’s going that route”

He already has…over and over and over.

Of course, that WAS before he shook the Etch-A-Sketch!

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
5:32 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm
Substituting that for “never mention Bush’s name again”, do you now see my comparason to the “evil rich” arguement[sic]?

I understand the argument that you are trying to make, but your comparison falls short in that no liberal here that I can recall has ever used the “evil rich” phrase, while there have been some conservatives that have suggested that the use of Bush’s name is off limits.
____________________________________________________________________

And there are libs/dems here that suggest the rich are evil with out saying those exact words. Look at the list of things that the left here have said that rich do/will do for money. Those things are evil and a person would have to be evil to do them.

That’s the point that I’m trying to make.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:32 pm

“Then pick another adjective”

I’d much prefer to see which one HE picks.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
5:33 pm

pogo

April 25th, 2012
5:33 pm

Another thing that is interesting; College graduates cannot find jobs and guess which group is hurting the most? The “Liberal Arts” majors who are the most “liberal of the liberal” of our graduates from the American education system. Obama certainly hasn’t done these people any favours. Right now the only thing going for job hunters are degrees either in the medical field (because we have so many old people) or in technical type degrees (engineering, etc.) and even these people are having to accept lowered wages and benefits and higher taxes. What Obama’s policies were designed to do from day one is to downgrade the expectation of the living condition for the American people. He is incrementally destroying hope and innovation in our society through regulation and free-spending of the taxpayer dollar in exchange for having people living a menial existance that is equal for all (which is the most important thing of all to him) and that is provided for by the “government”. But of course, he is also a firm believer that there must be a group of sophisticates/bureaucrats that rule over the lower classes because afterall, they are too stupid to do it for themselves. Progressive ideology is built upon this premise and so is Leninism and so is Socialism.

And Jay, maybe you should look at Germany and their austerity measures and the affect upon the German economy. Germany is one of the few promising economies in the world right now. The biggest difference between Germany and Italy, the UK, France, Spain and Greece is Germany never bought into the Socialist agenda in such a big way as the others. They always maintained a great respect for the free market and private sector industry and they kept social spending and government costs lower than the others and they kept a healthful watch on government regulation. Therefore, their austerity measures were more effective even with the whole world being in recession. No their economy is not without its troubles and in a world that is in recession, whose is not? But compared to ours and the other countries I referred to, they are in great shape. Merkel is a strong leader. Obama is not. I wish we had someone like her over here.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
5:35 pm

Not bad Sooth.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
5:37 pm

And it’s sloooowwwwwww because the President didn’t have the background to get it right from the beginning.

That’s true but President Obama has since learned to work around the Party of No when he needs to and that just drives people like Mitch McConnell crazy. I like it.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:39 pm

“they are in great shape. Merkel is a strong leader”

No kidding! She wasn’t stupid enough to get Germany involved in 2 wars…one of which was totally unneccesary. That helps an economy a LOT!

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
5:39 pm

I want to see the debates between Obama and Mitt where the questioners ask Mitt first why he supports a certain position and then follow it up with why he is against that same position.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:41 pm

“that just drives people like Mitch McConnell crazy. I like it.”

It is fun to watch him pretend to be “stately”, isn’t it. But poor Ole Mitch can’t quite pull it off anymore.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
5:41 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
5:42 pm

And there are libs/dems here that suggest the rich are evil with out saying those exact words. Look at the list of things that the left here have said that rich do/will do for money. Those things are evil and a person would have to be evil to do them.

That’s the point that I’m trying to make.

Then let me remind you of what you have posted.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
3:32 pm

So far, opinion, assumptions, and “reading between the lines” conjecture.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
4:24 pm

Again, not trying to argue, just trying to point out that if you stretch and twist enough then the following statements can be said to be true.

Are you sure that you aren’t stretching to read between the lines with your assumptions and opinions about what “the left” have said and it being evil?

barking frog

April 25th, 2012
5:43 pm

There’s a strong chance
neither Obama nor
Romney will get the
youth vote.

Paul

April 25th, 2012
5:45 pm

TaxPayer

I think it’d be interesting to hear him say “Pres Obama laid out broad plans then turned everything over to the radicals in his party in Congress. He’s the Chief Executive. He’s supposed to do more than that. Now Republicans have a band of noncompromising radicals in Congress, too. But when I’m president, I can assure you I’m not going to punt to those guys.”

He’d distance himself from the crazies and pick up some moderate, realistic credibility.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:48 pm

“He’d distance himself from the crazies and pick up some moderate, realistic credibility”

And he’d be lieing through his teeth

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
5:48 pm

Paul @ 5:45

That sounds good on paper, but Romney will not be taking that chance…………

However I do get your overall point

getalife

April 25th, 2012
5:48 pm

“And it’s sloooowwwwwww because the President didn’t have the background to get it right from the beginning.”

Yeah, mcloser would have collapsed the economy again because the gop know all about collapses.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
5:49 pm

So Bruno, you ready to pay more taxes to stop that from happening?

No, why should you, right? We’re getting $1 worth of government services and only paying 70 cents for them. A great deal, keep it coming!

And of course, Obama’s not spending a dime that hasn’t been appropriated by Congress.

For starters, Jay, I’m not receiving any direct government benefits, and never have. I didn’t get any of the stimulus or bailout monies, I don’t receive welfare or food stamps, I didn’t benefit from any of the mortgage assistance programs or Cash For Clunkers, and I’m not in a union. You’d have a much stronger point if I did.

I’ve stated here before that any tax increases need to be across the board, and not target any particular demographic group. We all need to shoulder the burden, if needed. However, I still firmly believe that we’re spending waaaay too much money, from entitlements to defense spending to discretionary spending. You’ve claimed in the past that there’s just not enough fat to trim from the budget to make any meaningful dent in the budget. Put me in charge, and I guarantee I could easily cut 10-20 % overnight. If you don’t believe me, I’ll forward a copy of my own personal budget to you one of these days. Anyone else here living on less than $2000 per month??

getalife

April 25th, 2012
5:49 pm

Let Detroit fail to lose more jobs is willard’s position.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
5:50 pm

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
5:51 pm

Casual Observer

April 25th, 2012
5:24 pm
Oh, and almost forgot…

Q amdaied anewsnf pspr px cefa eo2mfm lqx vmjke wl —Helen Keller

I’m gone. Fight it out among yourselves – Dalai Lama
_________________________________________

I’m sorry, but that’s funny. :lol:

getalife

April 25th, 2012
5:51 pm

Job killers (gop) 12!

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:53 pm

“I’m sorry, but that’s funny”

Yes, you are. And no, it isn’t. Blind people are perfectly capable of learning to type.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
5:54 pm

“For starters, Jay, I’m not receiving any direct government benefits, and never have. I didn’t get any of the stimulus or bailout monies, I don’t receive welfare or food stamps, I didn’t benefit from any of the mortgage assistance programs or Cash For Clunkers, and I’m not in a union. You’d have a much stronger point if I did.”

I’m in the same boat and yet I can honestly say for myself and not speaking for anyone else………… as a whole the Repub crazies scare me more than Dem crazies

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
5:54 pm

Sadly, I do believe you’re serious. I, for one, gladly and cheerfully pay that portion of my taxes that go for that and it wouldn’t hurt me to pay more for those things…

Not all of us came via the Silver Spoon Express, josef, so your “generosity” comes across as a little insincere to me. When’s the last time your own cupboard was bare??

For many, many years, I’ve paid school taxes in 3 different counties via property taxes. Not complaining, but I thjnk I’ve pulled my load.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
5:56 pm

VOTE REPUBLICAN 2012!
WE DONE FIGURED OUT WE DID WRONG BEFORE,
AND WE SHO’ NUFF GONNA FIX IT THIS TIME!

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
5:56 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
5:42 pm
Are you sure that you aren’t stretching to read between the lines with your assumptions and opinions about what “the left” have said and it being evil?

Kam, that’s my point. It can/is done by both sides.

carlosgvv

April 25th, 2012
5:59 pm

Pogo – 5:33

Germany is not a nuclear power and doesn’t spend huge amounts of money on it’s Military, as we do.
Germany has not been involved in two costly and useless wars, as we have been and still are.
Germany did not have eight years of a President who thought “God wants me to be President” and felt it his duty to obey his perceved Biblican prophesies.
Germany’s politicians are not bought and paid for as ours are.

Paul

April 25th, 2012
6:00 pm

getalife

“Yeah, mcloser would have collapsed the economy again because the gop know all about collapses.”

As bad as it was, and as long as the slog is, I didn’t hear anything from the loyal opposition that would’ve led to anything better. In fact, with no real alternative presented, it likely would’ve been worse.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:00 pm

For many, many years, I’ve paid school taxes in 3 different counties via property taxes. Not complaining, but I thjnk I’ve pulled my load.

For as long as you live, you will continue to benefit from an educated public. From the cashier that you get change back to any delivery-person that can read you address and deliver mail/paper/packages/pizza.

Paul

April 25th, 2012
6:02 pm

Bruno

“For starters, Jay, I’m not receiving any direct government benefits,”

What’s your answer, considering only the indirect benefits?

ByteMe

April 25th, 2012
6:03 pm

Germany has not been involved in two costly and useless wars, as we have been and still are.

Germany “owns” Greece now. And Spain soon enough. And possibly Italy if things get bad enough in a year or two.

They’re going to find out that those are depreciating assets.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
6:04 pm

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
5:53 pm
“I’m sorry, but that’s funny”

Yes, you are. And no, it isn’t. Blind people are perfectly capable of learning to type.
__________________________________________________________________
Lighten up a little. It’s funny to me.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:07 pm

VOTE REPUBLICAN 2012!
OK! OK! So we caused the economy to collapse!
Things are gonna be different this time, you’ll see!

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
6:11 pm

How’s the “Free Stuff Tour” going for O’bozo?

To gullible college kids: I’ll forgive your loans.

To CRA losers: I’ll forgive your mortgages.

To the envy class: I’ll make the evil rich pay through the nose.

To the Al and Jesse fans: we shall overcome … Whatever your grievance is…

To the victims: we’ll punish the victimizers, who are largely conservative and therefore deserve it.

To women: free contraception and whatever else you want.

Etc.

What a pathetic platform.

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:11 pm

BRUNO

Go back and look at what he said…and he has more than once made the point he’s from the Silver Spoon Express. Just, imauo, my own perspective, but the haves DO owe something back for their luck, be it the luck of the genetic draw or the luck of having made the right moves that paid off.

It has been my experience that it’s the wannabes who are the tight fisted.

My own cupboard bare? Never, and I thank G-d daily for that blessing. I want everybody to have it. Is there something wrong with that?

Furthermore, anything that expands the access to education gets my vote…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:12 pm

Kam, that’s my point. It can/is done by both sides.

It is done by individuals, yourself included. To break it down into “sides” is merely an attempt at keeping score.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:12 pm

VOTE REPUBLICAN 2012!
OK! OK! So our last President was a dumbass!
Dumbney is going to change all that, you’ll see!

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:14 pm

Except for one little thing Sinkhole: he never said any of that.

Paul

April 25th, 2012
6:20 pm

josef 6:11

Jay needs a “Wall of Fame” archive for posts like that.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:20 pm

Except for one little thing Sinkhole: he never said any of that.

Unlike some people.

Atlas Shrugging

April 25th, 2012
6:21 pm

The Obomonation has the minority, union, environmental wacko, and blues hair vote locked up why can’t he give the youth vote the Mitt.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 25th, 2012
6:23 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:12 pm
Kam, that’s my point. It can/is done by both sides.

It is done by individuals, yourself included. To break it down into “sides” is merely an attempt at keeping score.
_________________________________________________________________________

Not trying to “keep score”, trying to get “individuals” to knock it off and focus.

But

Agree to disagree.

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:23 pm

PAUL

Well, it is Wednesday…bleeding heart liberalism on the calendar! :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:24 pm

Not trying to “keep score”, trying to get “individuals” to knock it off and focus.

Then be the change that you seek.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
6:24 pm

I project.

But O’bozo is sooooo cool. Didn’t you see him on Fallon? Made me so proud.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:24 pm

VOTE REPUBLICAN 2012!
WE’RE RUNNING OUR RECORD!
1. Budget-killing tax cuts
2. Two needless, endless, pointless wars
3. $Trillions for wars
4. Zero interest rate policy
5. Zero regulation of housing market
6. Big Pharma Part D giveaway
7. Housing market collapse
8. Economy collapse

WHAT’S NOT TO LIKE!

Peadawg

April 25th, 2012
6:25 pm

“Jay needs a “Wall of Fame” archive for posts like that.”

And we can put the troll posts from getalife on the ‘Wall of Shame’.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
6:27 pm

6:25

That would have to be a “Wall of China” sized wall.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:28 pm

“But O’bozo is sooooo cool. Didn’t you see him on Fallon? Made me so proud.”

Wait to you see Obama chatting with the gas station guy at Kroger about alternative fuels and the guy looking at him “like he had three eyes”

That is really going to ratchet up your proud -odmeter

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:29 pm

And we can put the troll posts from getalife on the ‘Wall of Shame’.

I can put one of yours from next door when you name-jacked Ms. Tucker if that’s the case.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:29 pm

After the total, complete and utter failure that was George W. Bush, the Republican President, I stand in complete amazement that anyone from the Fright-Wing would even have the gall to post on this blog, let alone criticize President Barack Obama.

The reality is that you should all be ashamed of your President George W. Bush, his historic failure as a President, and of yourselves. But then again that’s just me. And I’m sure I’m the only one who feels that way.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:30 pm

“And we can put the troll posts from getalife on the ‘Wall of Shame’.”

While there will be others including one posting this evening…….. I would have to agree

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:31 pm

“I can put one of yours from next door when you name-jacked Ms. Tucker if that’s the case.”

oopssssssssss…. he must have forgot

hahahahaha

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:31 pm

Say what you will about getalife, he’s made way more than his tax contribution to the cause of Indian education…

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:33 pm

In fact, this Country may never recover from the damage inflicted on it by George W. Bush and the Republican Party.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
6:34 pm

Paul,

I think in his second term, he will try to level the playing field but needs a new house.

Immigration is open to compromise and getting closer to a deal.

Education, infrastructure and green energy is stay the course.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
6:35 pm

What did I say?

Did I lie?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:36 pm

oopssssssssss…. he must have forgot

Lotsa stuff archived over there. She didn’t monitor her site like Jay does, so it got kinda wild at times.

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:36 pm

Sooth

This country has recovered from far worse than George W Bush and the Republican Party…

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
6:37 pm

“Wait to you see Obama chatting with the gas station guy at Kroger about alternative fuels and the guy looking at him “like he had three eyes””

You mean kinda like everyone else with a brain does when he bloviates about such nonsense?

I’ll wait.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
6:38 pm

pea,

Do we have a problem with the truth?

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
6:39 pm

Bush!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

Pitiful.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:39 pm

This country has recovered from far worse than George W Bush and the Republican Party…

I’d agree with that.

But that doesn’t mean that we can this time.

good grief

April 25th, 2012
6:40 pm

funny post, but a bit naive, what in the heck are we doing subsidizing collegiate education? the same question could be asked for oil, corn, birth control as well. when does it stop? till some billionaire is supporting directly 1000 gov’t workers and maybe 5 american families that need help. good grief!

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:40 pm

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:40 pm

Has Obama announced he’s picking Biden as his running mate? Has Biden accepted?

getalife

April 25th, 2012
6:41 pm

I appreciate the honor but donate to charity instead of a plaque.

Thanks.

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:41 pm

K’chak

I’m an optimist.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:42 pm

“You mean kinda like everyone else with a brain does when he bloviates about such nonsense?”

Only people with brains, huh?

You prove me right every time you post

As always, thanks for the laughs

getalife

April 25th, 2012
6:42 pm

josef,

You want Hillary for VP?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:42 pm

BUSHNESIA!

Sounds like something that hookers charge extra for.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:44 pm

“BUSHNESIA!

Sounds like something that hookers charge extra for.”

Once it gets on you………. you can’t get it off

Not sure if you want any of that

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:45 pm

josef

Been meaning to ask, is that PTA theft scandal at your school?

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:46 pm

getalife…
Yep.

K’chak

Nope.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:46 pm

The primary lesson to be learned is that on every major measurement the country lost ground during George W. Bush’s two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. His “neo-con” foreign policy strengthened Iran by making Iraq its theological ally, added trillions to the national debt and inflicted unprecedented damage to America’s image abroad.

It comes as little surprise that discussion of the former Republican president and his policies has been almost nonexistent even as the next Republican administration could look and act much like Bush’s did. Reviewing the Bush administration’s economic record serves a useful purpose for those with short-term memory loss.

When it comes to job creation, the Bush administration produced the worst results of any president since the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics started keeping records in 1939. Yet the GOP is once again committed to rolling out the same economic policies that Bush followed. Their plan is to resurrect the “voodoo economics” of tax cuts for the wealthy that undermined the thriving economy they inherited from the Democrats. Their economic philosophy resulted in record job losses and the worst recession in American history. The tax cuts for the wealthy allowed millionaires and billionaires to get richer while average household income fell for the first time on record.

Although the Republicans promised their tax cuts would pay for themselves they didn’t do so, instead they added trillions to the nation’s deficit and squandered the surplus the Clinton administration left. Further adding to the economic calamity was the Bush administration’s lack of appetite for regulation that allowed the banking industry to write its own rules, and as a result, the industry deregulated itself into a financial meltdown due to reckless lending and the administration’s failure to monitor complex mortgage-backed securities .

Well, there you have it! A success on every level. I, myself, am going to vote for a RepugNOwecan’t for President. No matter who’s running!

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
6:47 pm

“Only people with brains, huh?”

I stand corrected.

All people do.

Okay?

barking frog

April 25th, 2012
6:48 pm

getalife
dump biden. get oprah.
she’ll get us cars from gm.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:48 pm

josef

You a Hillary fan, want her out of the Sec of State gig, all of the above or none of the above?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:49 pm

josef

Good for you and your school. Tragic for someone else, though….

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:49 pm

getalife

My dream ticket for a Democrat ballot would be Hillary Clinton for President and Susan Rice for VP…

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:49 pm

Sink

Seeing if you were paying attention

Good eye on that one…… You get the gold star for the day

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
6:52 pm

Good eye on that one…… You get the gold star for the day

Extra ilk and cookies.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:54 pm

josef

You answered my question with your last response.

I voted for Hillary in the primary in 08………..

She is a smart cookie

getalife

April 25th, 2012
6:54 pm

josef,

Now I remember.

Frog,

She is busy with her network but she left you something under your chair.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
6:54 pm

Despite the Bush administration’s unprecedented record of failure, today’s Republicans want to continue those policies. While Republicans created their own reality to mask Bush’s legacy, the American people have been left with its aftermath.

They can’t forget an eight-year administration marked by two wars, recession, failure in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, enormous environmental degradation and the biggest terrorist attack on U.S. soil. So, Republicans know the only way they can peddle Bush redux is by eliminating all mention of the original and putting its carbon copy under a different name.

“Bushnesia” might benefit today’s Republicans by allowing them to try to regurgitate Bush’s disastrous policies. But Americans remember the Bush administration’s record, too. Voters know that repeating the same mistake and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

That anyone would vote Republican is mute testimony to the abject stupidity of the 3rd grade American populace. How stupid would someone have to be to forget the damage that George W. Bush has inflicted on this country?

stands for decibels

April 25th, 2012
6:55 pm

dunno if Bruno’s still around, but…

. From where I sit, an improved economy will pretty much wipe away the need for “compassion”.

I don’t know that one’s take on social issues = compassion. But otherwise, you’re point does strike at what got me thinking about this in the first place. Obviously if virtually all people are doing better financially, and are more mobile, they’re more likely to be *able* to vote with their feet and leave the states with crappier laws regarding reproductive rights, marriage equality, etc.

So it’s not always that clear-cut a choice, I guess, is what I was saying.

josef

April 25th, 2012
6:55 pm

BOTH

It’s not that I’m such a big fan of Hillary’s. but she does, I believe, represent the best we currently have to offer for intelligent, rational, and sensible politicians, I think she’s been perhaps the best Sec. of State in my lifetime. She has the experience we will need to play the balancing act that will be required of us in the coming upheavals abroad.

barking frog

April 25th, 2012
6:57 pm

Sooth
Bush made houses cheaper
and gave old people drugs.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
6:57 pm

Hillary has a 65% approval rating.

Going out on top if you will.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
6:59 pm

josef

Thanks for the reply. Great points all around. While I do think she loves the “hard ball” politics game…….. my overall sentiments are pretty much the same

stands for decibels

April 25th, 2012
7:00 pm

Hillary Clinton for President and Susan Rice for VP…

I guess there’s no reason we couldn’t have that in 2016.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
7:00 pm

Bush isn’t running for Pres. That was a sad state of affairs. That was the only time I voted Democrat (twice). But, you have to vote for who you think would be best for the country, not the party which is why I’m voting for Romney this time.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

Sooth says anyone who doesn’t vote for O’bozo is stupid. No, someone who says this is stupid:

“President Obama is vowing to make the case for action on global warming during the 2012 campaign. “I suspect that over the next six months, this is going to be a debate that will become part of the campaign, and I will be very clear in voicing my belief that we’re going to have to take further steps to deal with climate change in a serious way,” Obama told Rolling Stone magazine”

Hey Sooth, how ’bout a heapin’ helpin’ of cap and trade?

The peeps love high energy prices.

Go for it.

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

byteme- Being on Letterman and reading a Top 10 list is “COURAGEOUS” in your world

Know what a left-wing hack Letterman is, it does take some courage. Of course I know that it all gets cleared by Romney before it goes on air.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

“Bush made houses cheaper – You’re saying home prices declined under George W. Bush? Oh! You mean that part right at the very end — the collapse — Right?

“and gave old people drugs.” He didn’t give them anything. The rest of us paid for it.

Don't Forget

April 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

Bruno,
Denying that Obama inherited a mess would come across as plain stupid.

Huh? This afternoon you said it was part of the business cycle. :lol:

Jm

April 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

Obama = style

Romney = substance

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:03 pm

It took me a long time to warm up to Hillary. She p*ssed me off big time with that Tammy Wynette snipe, but, well turns out she had to eat them crow cookies since she wound up standing by her man! But when she did the shots and chasers and it WASN’T a show, but the real deal, she kinda got my respect. But, when she came into the press conference late and said she was sorry but she had been pinned down by snipers, she won me over! Give me a politician with a self-effacing sense of humor any day of the week. And that’s before her resume in the Senate and as SofS enters into consideration.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
7:05 pm

“Bush isn’t running for Pres.”

That is true but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the “powers that be” in the Republican Party will not be pushing for more of the same………..

And that goes for the “powers” in the Dem Party pushing Obama or whomever…………

While money in itself isn’t going to win any given election, these huge contributions (especially to Super Pacs), are not being donated just out of the kindness of people’s and corporation’s hearts

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
7:05 pm

Jm and Sinkhole: keep believing. Come December, Ol’ Dumbney’s gonna be back at his old job — laying people off.

barking frog

April 25th, 2012
7:06 pm

Sooth
Right. Taxpayers always pay
for entitlements at some
point.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
7:08 pm

I don’t care for Obama much but that little slip he made to the outgoing Russian Pres. concerning our Nuc. Weapons really scares me.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
7:09 pm

To say anyone on either side is “stupid” because they do not vote for a certain candidate is pretty shallow…………

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

April 25th, 2012
7:09 pm

Yes, I am living on about $2000 per month, 1/2 of which comes from Social Security which I paid into & thus EARNED.

Jm

April 25th, 2012
7:09 pm

I gotta say obama’s delivery looked super weak

He looked exhausted too

Time for a vacation for him

1 term :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
7:11 pm

Huh? This afternoon you said it was part of the business cycle.

He also said that the government budget cannot be directly compared to a household budget — right after he did it the first time and before he did it a second time.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
7:13 pm

TBS@7:05

Maybe, Maybe not. One thing is for sure, I’m ready for a real change not some candidates lip service (OBAMA).

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
7:13 pm

Looks like some on the left here would prefer leaders other than Obama and the gaff master. I wonder how prevalent that thinking is among lefty world or more importantly voter turn out for Democrats.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:16 pm

” I’m ready for a real change not some candidates lip service ”

Not gonna happen in your lifetime. The best you’ll ever get is a choice between one politician’s lip service or another’s.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
7:16 pm

7:13

On can only hope.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
7:17 pm

I wonder how prevalent that thinking is among lefty world or more importantly voter turn out for Democrats.

I’d say that it’s pretty prevalent.

I’d also say that it doesn’t automatically translate into votes for Romney.

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:17 pm

DEL

Many of us on the left have never been enamored of the centrist, Bush Lite. While I didn’t vote for him and probably won’t in November, considering the alternatives, he’s acceptable.

barking frog

April 25th, 2012
7:17 pm

getalife
Oprah left nothing under
my chair. did she say she
would?

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:19 pm

Doggone

“The best you’ll ever get is a choice between one politician’s lip service or another’s.”

Truer words have never been spoken (written?)

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
7:19 pm

7:16

Yeah, I know “all pols are liars”. At this point I think Romney lies alot less than Obama.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
7:20 pm

Participating in a telephone conference call with Rep. Price.

Kewl.

He’s currently discussing the deficiencies of O’bozo’s energy policy. Might take the whole hour or more.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
7:20 pm

“Looks like some on the left here would prefer leaders other than Obama and the gaff master”

That goes for many on the right and Romney, however unless one votes for someone other than a D or R……. that is the choices we have this year

My point…….. It would be nice to have better choices

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:21 pm

“At this point I think Romney lies alot less than Obama.”

I put them neck and neck.

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:21 pm

Orange
@ 7:19

I don’t.

Bill Orvis White

April 25th, 2012
7:22 pm

This is just dumb drivel that idiotic secular progressives fall in love with and blindly vote for this fraud. The celebrity president is entertaining folk while destroying the once-free nation with everything from increasing “his” deficit, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Ayres, taxe$, regulation and instituting a culture of debauchery and death. Get your head our of the sand, my pals. If you silly Obama supporters get your way, America will be in great peril. I fear for the future. I’m getting re-energized for making sure that WE THE PEOPLE (Tea Party RepubliCANS) WILL stop you from furthering the damage inflicted upon freedom and capitalism. Amen, Bill

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:22 pm

“It would be nice to have better choices”

There’s always the write-in vote.

Jay

April 25th, 2012
7:22 pm

Many of us on the left have never been enamored of the centrist, Bush Lite.

Just so we don’t rewrite history here, Hillary ran to the right of Obama, as the centrist Bush Lite, up to and including voting in favor of the Iraq war.

Jay

April 25th, 2012
7:24 pm

oh, and josef, the appearance of BOW reminds me: google “Poe’s Law.”

barking frog

April 25th, 2012
7:24 pm

The young republicans
voting for Ron Paul is
an indicator of something,
but what?

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:25 pm

“The young republicans
voting for Ron Paul is
an indicator of something,
but what?”

“You can fool some of the people….”?

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
7:27 pm

“Hillary ran to the right of Obama,”

Heck, Jay, Karl M. would have run to the right of O’bozo.

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:27 pm

IMAM

Just so we don’t put words in my mouth, I haven’t exactly said I was enamored by Hillary, now have I?
But as for her voting for Iraq, she said, pretty much, and I’d do the same thing again given the information I had at hand at the time…

And before you go off on a fatwah here, I said my dream DEMOCRAT ticket…

I’m not enamored with any politician of any stripe…

Jay

April 25th, 2012
7:28 pm

You need a new schtick, Schtink.

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
7:28 pm

J@7:21

Your opinion.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
7:29 pm

“Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.”

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:33 pm

JAY

Thanks…now we have a name for it! I wikied it, but I WILL be going further…this is a fascinating concept to me…

Orange 12

April 25th, 2012
7:33 pm

Jay@7:28

If it Schtinks – put a clothes pin on your nose, if it’s ugly – put those rose colored glasses that you view Obama through on, if it makes you sick – eat some red hots so it will be pretty.

Jm

April 25th, 2012
7:34 pm

Bravos starts at 10? Boo

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
7:35 pm

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:38 pm

“The young republicans
voting for Ron Paul is
an indicator of something,
but what?”

That we can fall into fascism much more quickly and much more blindly than we’d like to think?

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:40 pm

What’s odds that Gingrich is getting out because his sugar daddy made it clear the sugar is about to dry up?

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

“You need a new schtick, Schtink.”

I kind of like it, though, since truth prevails.

Thanks for your input.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

The problem is, no one really understood poor ol’ Gnute.

Newt’s problem is that we understood him all too well.

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

Doggone

I’ll check with the Romany Lady on the odds, but I’d lay three to one that that’s it….

JKL2

April 25th, 2012
7:43 pm

VOTE DEMOCRAT 2012!
WE’RE RUNNING OUR RECORD!
1. Economy-killing tax increases
2. Open Borders
3. $Trillions for wars: Even more for countries that hate us!
4. Zero interest rate policy
5. Debt Forgiveness for Home Loans, student loans
6. Free Healthcare for everyone
7. Housing market collapse
8. Eliminate all manufacturing to protect the environment
9. Domestic Spying in every home
10. Eliminate evil entities like Banks, Wall Street, and oil companies
11. Stick it to the evil rich! (rich =$14.4k/household in our new world order)
12. Free money for everyone! (who cares if a dollar will be worth less than a peso)

WHAT’S NOT TO LIKE!

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:44 pm

Josef – I wouldn’t argue with that. The best guess I’ve heard about “daddy’s” generosity was that the true goal was to keep Santorum from winning. If you run with that idea, there’s no point in continuing to pay out now.

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:45 pm

JKL

Which peso?

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
7:46 pm

Doggone and josef

Newt’s think tank has filed for bankruptcy………..

His campaign is in debt……….

Yes the sugar is drying up…….

This will probably not be the last we hear from ole Newt, but this bid for Pres will surely be his “swan song” to his adoring fans……

get on the bus...

April 25th, 2012
7:47 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
7:48 pm

“If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:49 pm

“Pres will surely be his “swan song” to his adoring fans……”

Yeah…well, he can probably milk it for 2-3 books if he puts his mind to it.

I remember

April 25th, 2012
7:50 pm

Obam plans to buy the “young vote’ with student loan discounts while hoping that they don’t notice that in Obamaland they can’t find jobs becasue he screwed up the economy.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
7:53 pm

“they can’t find jobs becasue he screwed up the economy.”

“Cal grads more optimistic about job prospects”
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=8628511

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
7:54 pm

1. Economy-killing tax increases — lie, no tax increases
2. Open Borders — lie, borders more secure than under Bush
3. $Trillions for wars: Even more for countries that hate us! — lie, Obama ended war in EYE-rack, working on ending war in Afghanistan.
4. Zero interest rate policy — lie, inherited from previous administration
5. Debt Forgiveness for Home Loans, student loans — lie, no debt forgiveness, restructuring for home loans, against Republican-backed increase in interest rates on student loans
6. Free Healthcare for everyone — lie, PPACA does not provide “free” healthcare to anyone
7. Housing market collapse — lie, housing market was already collapsed
8. Eliminate all manufacturing to protect the environment — lie, pure and simple
9. Domestic Spying in every home — some truth to this. Continued new policies similar to Bush’s Patriot Act.
10. Eliminate evil entities like Banks, Wall Street, and oil companies — lie, Obama has never advocated elimination of banks, Wall St or oil companies, just regulation to prevent a repeat of the collapse of 2008
11. Stick it to the evil rich! (rich =$14.4k/household in our new world order) lie, Obama wants to return to the tax code under Clinton (the last time this country was prosperous)
12. Free money for everyone! (who cares if a dollar will be worth less than a peso) — lie, not worthy of a response.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
7:54 pm

“Yeah…well, he can probably milk it for 2-3 books if he puts his mind to it.”

Not sure how wise he is, but he is a smart man……… He will still write books and might even get his gig back as “historian” for Fannie and Freddie

Jm

April 25th, 2012
7:54 pm

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:55 pm

Doggone

I’d agree with that.

Both
Makes sense to me.

I REMEMBER
HE screwed up the economy…didn’t that flop come in the summer of 2008? And while I’m no economist and make no pretense of understanding a lot of things, I do pay attention to my portfolio and so far, so good…

Jay

April 25th, 2012
7:56 pm

Remember, it would hardly be a discount. At 6.8 percent, and with 30-year T-bills at less than 4 percent, the government would be making a nice tidy little sum off money lent to college students.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

April 25th, 2012
7:57 pm

FELLOW, Warmongering draft-dodging chickenhawk, neocon crony capitalist, and corrupt DC lobbyist Noot will drop out Tuesday, leaving it a two-man race: Ron vs. Rom, libertarian vs. fascist.
.
The GOP golden-BOY Rotten Rubio will not help either.
.
The youth are not as dumb as you old Q-tips.
Playing X-Box for ten years has given them the ability to pick out terrible monsters such as the NDAA supporting, civil rights destroying, torturing, murdering, warmongers such as Romney/Obama.

josef

April 25th, 2012
7:57 pm

BOTH

He’s got some aptitude as a scam artist and I guess that might qualify him for “smart…” even if he is dumb as dirt intellectually….

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
7:57 pm

JKL2

Based on that last post……. you might want to take the advice you gave to Bro about cars and apply it to yourself and politics

Just sayn……..

Thomas Heyward Jr.

April 25th, 2012
7:58 pm

Ron Paul 2012.
Liberty-Lovers will NOT go peacefully into the Washington Authoritarian Black Night.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
7:58 pm

josef @ 7:57

Well said………

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 25th, 2012
7:59 pm

Well, on my way home from the warehose I stopped for gas and asked the attendant what was going to happen in the election. He looked at me kinda funny at first and then told me to put all the money I had on Mittens. He said people are so dumb they can’t even remember what happened four years ago and besides people kinda like re-living bad times.

Anyhow, if that kind of advise is good enough for Sinkus it’s good enough for me. If I’d of had any money I would of asked the kid for advise about where to invest it. Who’d of thought a gas station attendant is the place where you go to get the scoop? The things you learn in this world! Anyhow, have a good night everybody.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
8:02 pm

Shorter Thomas Heyward Jr.:

RON PAUL RULZ!

and

WOLVERINES!!!!!!

Peadawg

April 25th, 2012
8:03 pm

Adam, here’s the definition of a welfare queen that you say doesn’t exist:

http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/now/octomom-investigated-cps-complaints-her-home-no-plumbing-180648499.html

Octomom get a $500 haircut, paid for by you and I, while the living conditions for her kids are pitiful.

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
8:04 pm

josef@7:17, dang, I thought you had seen the light and were coming over to our side.

MrLiberty

April 25th, 2012
8:08 pm

Ron Paul already has the youth vote locked up. He drew over 6000 students each at appearances at UCLA, UC Berkley, and Chico State. He does the same wherever he goes and whatever college he goes to. Several thousand stood in the pouring rain the other day near Independence Hall in Philadelphia just to see him and hear him speak. Rallies of youth are happening all over the world in support of this great man. Obama has lost the youth vote. He lied to them, shipped more of them off to die in Afghanistan and Iraq and saddled them with yet more debt.

The youth know that only Ron Paul speaks of freedom and getting rid of the horrible and oppressive Federal Reserve that enslaves us all with endless debt and worthless money.

The youth are not as enveloped in fear as the elderly. They don’t run to their benevolent government when they rattle the chains and scream “terrorist.” They can see through the lies and Mitt is nothing but lies as is Obama.

They can see that there is virtually NO difference between these two clowns and that only a Ron Paul presidency will turn this country around.

The main stream media can lie all it wants about the youth, but they are not falling for the entrenched monopoly. They get their news from the internet where lies do not pass for “fair and balanced” as they do at the AJC and elsewhere.

josef

April 25th, 2012
8:09 pm

DEL
@ 8:04

That’s what you get for thinking! It ain’t all it’s cracked up to be… :-)

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
8:09 pm

Thomas Heyward Jr.

April 25th, 2012
8:13 pm

A cognac toast for Mr. Liberty.
It does my heart good to know that there is intelligence out there.
.
From the good Doctor himself————
“Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich, if elected, would roll back SOCIALISM to some degree, but because they are bought and paid for by the Corporatists, they are oblivious to the march towards FASCISM that is occurring at the same time, so they would be powerless to stop it even if they could, as it grew, unabated, and spiraling dangerously—and apocalyptically—out of control.

Ron Paul…and ONLY Ron Paul, if elected, can—and would—STOP THEM BOTH (socialism and fascism) COLD…in their disgusting, slimy tracks!”
.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
8:13 pm

Mr Liberty

How is Alex Jones doing these days?

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
8:16 pm

As the youth in our country ages they become more conservative in their political views. There are of course exceptions as evidenced on Jay’s blog whereby terminal leftist disease takes over minds and the victims never grow into clear thinking adulthood.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
8:16 pm

“Ron Paul…and ONLY Ron Paul, if elected, can—and would—STOP THEM BOTH (socialism and fascism) COLD…in their disgusting, slimy tracks!”

How exactly is he going to do what his supporters claim he will do without the support of Congress?

Forget the Dems for a second…… He would have “mutiny on the bounty” within his own Party, but it really doesn’t matter because he isn’t going anywhere except back to his district

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
8:17 pm

“As the youth in our country ages they become more conservative in their political views”

Not a given. The older I get the more liberal I get. I was very conservative when I was younger.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:21 pm

del,

That was a lovely attack.

Good job.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
8:21 pm

Thomas…….. now switch over to Mr Liberty and keep acting like there is tons of Ron Paul support

You might even want to come up with a 3rd blogging persona

Ron Paul: on the road to nowhere

That would be a good name

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
8:22 pm

“Not a given. The older I get the more liberal I get. I was very conservative when I was younger.”

Sadly, your particular case while rare does unfortunately occur. Can you recall at approximately what age you were stricken?

deegee

April 25th, 2012
8:23 pm

How does anyone state with a straight face that Obama ruined our economy? Do they not remember October, 2008 and the Paulson bank bailout plan to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars? And why was that necessary????

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
8:23 pm

“So that’s what a grit is. Do you all eat them with sugar like the northern poor eat Cream of Wheat.” – Mitt on Tour

paulo 977

April 25th, 2012
8:24 pm

carlosgvv

As for the young vote, Obama has far more ability to connect with them than Romney,

____________________________________

That is MORE than clear

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
8:24 pm

getalife, thank you and be advised that there is help for your condition. Seek it soon.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
8:25 pm

“Can you recall at approximately what age you were stricken?”

Enlightnement dawned when I was about 30

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
8:25 pm

“At 6.8 percent, and with 30-year T-bills at less than 4 percent, the government would be making a nice tidy little sum off money lent to college students.”

Rates should be 1% or less for engineering, business, hard science, etc., majors.

Rates should be 10% or more for art history, English lit, ethnic studies, journalism, etc., majors.

Problem solved.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:26 pm

deegee,

They call it bushnesia.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2012
8:28 pm

The older I get, the more liberal I get, thanks to the Bush/Republican tax cuts. I never got to not “earn” so much while paying so little for it back during the Clinton years. Those damn Democrats insisted that we each pay according to our means but the Republicans insist that those with the least pay the way for those with more. Thanks George.

paulo 977

April 25th, 2012
8:28 pm

I remember

Obamaland they can’t find jobs becasue he screwed up the economy.

________________________________

You have your presidents confused , haven’t you?

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:28 pm

del,

I will be a kindly gentleman with Southern manners after this election.

The cure is four more years.

Simple.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
8:29 pm

I got to hand it to the Fright-Wingers on this blog. They’re like a nail fungus or Athlete’s Foot. No matter what you try to get rid of them, the just keep on coming back.

You can apply liberal amounts of the truth. No effect. You can soak them in their past failure. No effect. You can drench them in the utter hopelessness of their cause. No effect.

It’s really amazing. You just can’t stamp out Fright-Wingers. Why they are so attracted to this blog is anyone’s guess. They have their own perfectly good blog. It just boggles the mind!

deegee

April 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

That’s good, Sinkwich. Give the Asians an even greater advantage over us.

weetamoe

April 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

Gee, bff Valerie Jarrett admits that Obama never had a 9 to 5 job in his life and does not even realize what he doesn’t know; and spare me the bilge about Obama’s *law professor* credentials.. He never wrote a single academic paper about the law and was merely a part-time instructor.
I’m not sure whether Jay’s comments (in this morning’s paper) about Orwell were *inartfully* expressed, or he really does think that 1984 describes a desirable society. Maybe only if Obama is Big Bro?

Thomas Heyward Jr.

April 25th, 2012
8:32 pm

The “youth” REALLY love this.
Thank you Bush W and obamaBush 3———————

“Apologists for government bailouts push two main myths:

That all of the bailout funds have been repaid

That the bailouts helped the average American

But the official government overseer of the Tarp bailout program – the special inspector general for TARP, Christy L. Romero – has debunked both myths.

Today, Romero wrote the following to Congress:

After 3½ years, the Troubled Asset Relief Program (“TARP”) continues to be an active and significant part of the Government’s response to the financial crisis. It is a widely held misconception that TARP will make a profit. The most recent cost estimate for TARP is a loss of $60 billion. Taxpayers are still owed $118.5 billion (including $14 billion written off or otherwise lost).”
.
The youth are not as dumb as your typical Romney/Bush supporter.

josef

April 25th, 2012
8:33 pm

Mr Liberty…

Ach! Jawohl!

Wir müssen unsere Aryanernation von dieser verpesteten Juden zu befreien, auch! Und die Schwarzen. Und die Mexikaner. Und die Araber. Und die Asiaten. Und vor allem, die lästigen Rotehautwilden! Nehmen wir uns unser Land zurück!

Sieg Heil!

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
8:35 pm

getalife, carpe diem…the time is now, don’t kick the can down the road. We can’t afford four more years.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
8:35 pm

1975 or 1976 — ice cream scooper, Baskin-Robbins — Honolulu — Obama claims to have lost his taste for ice cream during this, his first job, the duration of which is not publicly known.

Date unknown — deli counter clerk, business name unknown — Honolulu — Obama had a summer job at a deli counter in Hawaii, making sandwiches, his spokesman said during the presidential campaign.

1980 — gift shop sales clerk, business name unknown — Honolulu — Obama worked at a gift shop in Hawaii selling island souvenirs the summer after his freshman year at Occidental College in California.

Sometime between 1981-1983 — construction worker, business name unknown — New York — Obama cleared a construction site for a summer on Manhattan’s Upper West Side while attending Columbia University, the Associated Press reported. Obama referred to this job in Dreams From My Father .

Sometime between 1981-1983 — position unknown, company unknown — New York — During his years at Columbia University, Obama worked one summer for a private company processing health records of either police or firefighters, his spokesman said during the presidential campaign.

Sometime between 1981-1983 — telemarketer, company unknown — New York — During one school year at Columbia, Obama was a telemarketer in midtown Manhattan selling New York Times subscriptions over the phone, his spokesman said during the presidential campaign.

1983-84 — research assistant, Business International Corporation — New York — At this firm that helped American companies do business abroad, Obama was a researcher and writer for a reference service called Financing Foreign Operations; among his duties was writing a newsletter called Business International Money Report.

1985 — project coordinator, New York Public Interest Research Group — New York — Obama mobilized student volunteers at City College in Harlem for NYPIRG, a nonprofit organization that promotes consumer, environmental and government reform. He promoted activism around issues such as mass transit, higher education, tuition, financial aid and recycling.

1985-1988 — community organizer, Developing Communities Project — Chicago — Obama advocated for asbestos removal, job training and public-works services at this community organization on Chicago’s South Side.

1988 — research assistant, Lawrence Tribe — student assistant to this Harvard Law School professor and renowned constitutional scholar.

1989 — summer associate, Hopkins & Sutter — Obama held this job the summer between his first and second years of law school.

1990 — summer associate, Sidley & Austin — After his second year of law school Obama was a summer associate for one of the world’s oldest and largest law firms, where he met Michelle Robinson, his future wife.

1990-1991 — president, Harvard Law Review — Obama was the first African-American to hold this prestigious position.

1991-1992 — executive director, Project Vote — Ran a campaign that registered nearly 150,000 black voters for the 1992 elections.

1993-2004 — associate and partner (starting 1996), Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland — Chicago — defended clients ranging from landlords to a securities trader, and handled employment-discrimination and voting-rights cases at this Chicago law firm.

1993-2004 — part-time lecturer, University of Chicago Law School — Chicago — lectured on constitutional law.

1995 — author, Times Books — published memoir, Dreams From My Father.

1997-2004 — state senator, Illinois — senator from Illinois’ 13th District on Chicago’s South Side.

2005-2008 — U.S. Senator — represented Illinois in the U.S. Senate.

2006 — Author, Random House — published The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.

2009 — President, United States — Washington — In his current position, Obama is the head of state of the most powerful country in the world. He runs the executive branch and serves as commander in chief of the armed forces.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
8:36 pm

Raise the rates on student loans. fine with me. Discourage getting them. Way too many kids borrow way to much money to go to out of state or private schools and never can get over the debt they owe. Or restrict student loans to instate publlic schools only, or otherwise put a cap on how much they can borrow.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
8:37 pm

One thing Obama has going for him that makes him far more qualified that Romney. Obama will have been President for four years, in a successful administration. That’s a resume that Romeny can’t match and is a decisive advantage in Obama’s favor.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:38 pm

Keep attacking the students gop.

Good job.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:39 pm

Oscar,

“in a successful administration.”

The gop argue his policies have failed.

paulo 977

April 25th, 2012
8:40 pm

josef

furthermore, anything that expands the access to education gets my vote…
_____________________________________________

After the week that was …..TESTING!!!!!, I can only hope that by some miracle who gets my vote will be able to really have an in-depth look at what the obsession with testing has done to kids

deegee

April 25th, 2012
8:41 pm

The older I get the more liberal I get due to witnessing one incompetent CEO after another raid the coffers of a fine company by which I am employed. I have no complaints with my work. I love my job, I love my customers, I love what I do every day. The company could be doing so much better but for the succession of arrogant, narcissistic bean counters that have destroyed every bit of creative energy in what was a highly creative, cutting edge technology company. Whenever I hear the new CEO talk about how they are going to raise our stock price I could puke. Why not spend your time and money on creating something that someone wants to buy, dip$hit?

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
8:41 pm

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:39 pm
‘________

I am aware of that. They also argue that went need another tax cut for the super rich.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
8:43 pm

deegee

April 25th, 2012
8:41 pm

_______

Steve Jobs is dead. Hope someone will be there to take his place and create some new products. Otherwise, we will be in a bad way.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
8:44 pm

“That’s good, Sinkwich. Give the Asians an even greater advantage over us.”

How so?

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
8:44 pm

deegee

April 25th, 2012
8:41 pm
_______

Obama wants to create some govt-private research projects to come up with just what you want. Most of our major progress and inventions have come about just that way.

The GOP argues against that.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:45 pm

“They also argue that went need another tax cut for the super rich”

And cut the new regulation on the banks, privatize Medicare (end it) cut other programs, etc..

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
8:46 pm

Like I said earlier today, Romeny will lead us back to the 1890’s. May even retract the right of women to vote.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
8:47 pm

“Whenever I hear the new CEO talk about how they are going to raise our stock price I could puke. ”

That’s a CEO’s job, doofuss.

Do your job and he’ll be successful.

So will you.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
8:48 pm

Even the cons don’t trust willard.

I think they finally got something right.

Liberal Pariah

April 25th, 2012
8:51 pm

Oscar..what successful administration would you be referring to? Obama’s administration has only benefitted his rich supporters (just like the Repubs), has not advanced the cause of the 98% that voted for him and is on jihad against the rights of Christian believers. He needs to go yesterday. The Emperor has no clothes.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
8:52 pm

You know, I remember vividly when Saint Ronnie was elected, the Fright Wing concocted the term “Lonely Left.”

Now, after the failed policies of the Fright-Wing during George W. Bush’s miserable failure of a presidency, and the lack of a meaningful difference offered during the campaign for 2012, I think the term “Lonely Right” is in order.

I firmly believe that the Fright Wing is looking, realistically, at the possibility of not winning the White House until at least 2024, if ever.

I think Hillary is going to win in a walk-away in 2016. Heck, her balls are way bigger than Obama’s. She’s gonna kick ass and take names. Just you wait and see!

If I were a Fright-Winger, I’d be pretty worried right about now.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
8:52 pm

“Like I said earlier today, Romeny will lead us back to the 1890’s. May even retract the right of women to vote.”

Need some evidence, dude.

Also, your name reminds me of what O’bozo sang as a kid:

My bologna has a first name, it’s B-E-N-J-I …

deegee

April 25th, 2012
8:52 pm

I agree, Oscar. We are sucking wind because the government has no long range plan for investing in cutting edge technology. Private industry won’t shave a nickel off of their short term profit in order to realize a long term profit. Case is point, now that the price per barrel of oil is over $100 and not expected to decline, the oil companies will invest in domestic oil production. They will invest in LNG production. The reason we are producing more is because the price is high enough to make a profit. We can’t continue to leave it all up to private enterprise because it takes too darned long if at all.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
8:55 pm

“and is on jihad against the rights of Christian believers.”

Please name the exact “rights” that he has taken away from Christian believers………….

Thanks

paulo 977

April 25th, 2012
8:59 pm

Oscar

May even retract the right of women to vote.!!!!
-_____________________________________
Right …just stay home and look after their kids!!!

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:00 pm

What is indeed an unfortunate reality Democrats have no solutions to our biggest problem and that’s the deficit. They have plenty of criticisms for Republican proposals but no proposed solutions of their own other than the one trick pony mantra of tax the wealthy. Of course tax the wealthy isn’t a viable solution and that’s been proven yet that’s all Democrats propose. They don’t offer budget proposals, they don’t propose entitlement reform or tax reform. They propose nothing other than vote pandering schemes. How can anyone who truly believes in America vote Democrat.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
9:03 pm

“How can anyone who truly believes in America vote Democrat.”

They don’t so they do.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:04 pm

the haves DO owe something back for their luck, be it the luck of the genetic draw or the luck of having made the right moves that paid off. It has been my experience that it’s the wannabes who are the tight fisted. My own cupboard bare? Never, and I thank G-d daily for that blessing. I want everybody to have it. Is there something wrong with that?

You know, josef, sometimes you make Mitt look like a “Man of the People”. Marie Antoinette likely has nothing on you either. If your own cupboard is overflowing, and you feel like sharing it with others, there are thousands of charities that would be grateful for your donations. But, to demand that everyone else pony up along with you via taxes doesn’t reveal any great compassion on your part IMO. And your swipe about “wannabes” isn’t particularly appreciated. Until you’ve walked a mile in the sandals of folks who have had to struggle their whole lives, you have no basis for criticism.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
9:04 pm

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:06 pm

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:00 pm

What is indeed an unfortunate reality Democrats have no solutions to our biggest problem and that’s the deficit. They have plenty of criticisms for Republican proposals but no proposed solutions of their own other than the one trick pony mantra of tax the wealthy. Of course tax the wealthy isn’t a viable solution and that’s been proven yet that’s all Democrats propose. They don’t offer budget proposals, they don’t propose entitlement reform or tax reform. They propose nothing other than vote pandering schemes. How can anyone who truly believes in America vote Democrat.
+++++++++++++++++++++

The entire statement above is a pack of lies and the guy who wrote them should be ashamed. Duty honor country my ass.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:06 pm

“How can anyone who truly believes in America vote Democrat.”

hahahahahahahahahahaa

rightwingextreme

April 25th, 2012
9:06 pm

to fix the meebo bar…..go to your control panel….internet properties…..security…..restricted sites….type in http://*.meebo.com

just like a bad liberal….it’s gone

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
9:07 pm

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:00 pm
____

I don’t know of anybody, including the democrats, that think that just increasing taxes on those making over a million will solve the budget problem. It will help a little, but not enough.
The way I understand it, democrats want a combination of a small tax increase and cuts to defense and medicare. I think both of those will have to be done. There is plenty of waste in medicare and in defense, and if you look at the budget that’s where all the money is going. Democrats also agree there should be changes in social security also.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:08 pm

Fred @ 9:06

Always great to read someone’s post and realize within seconds that they as blind and partisan as they claim others are………..

But it takes all kinds

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:09 pm

Well Fred mark the spot because you’re all ass.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:09 pm

“internet properties…..security…..restricted sites….type in http://*.meebo.com”

that is SO old news. I posted that hours ago.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:09 pm

josef

April 25th, 2012
8:33 pm

Mr Liberty…

Ach! Jawohl!

Wir müssen unsere Aryanernation von dieser verpesteten Juden zu befreien, auch! Und die Schwarzen. Und die Mexikaner. Und die Araber. Und die Asiaten. Und vor allem, die lästigen Rotehautwilden! Nehmen wir uns unser Land zurück!

Sieg Heil!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Abstossend ist es nicht? Herr Goebbels so stolz ist jetzt ist er es nicht? Die Amerikanischen Republikaner haben, seine Lektionen zu Herzen.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:09 pm

“The way I understand it, democrats want a combination of a small tax increase and cuts to defense and medicare.”

Already offered up and laughed down by the Republican House

Anyone says it didn’t happen is either mistaken, lying or just ignorant

getalife

April 25th, 2012
9:10 pm

del,

We balanced it before and your party said it did not matter.

Which is it del?

Does the deficit matter or not?

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
9:11 pm

deegee

April 25th, 2012
8:52 pm

_

The idea was that the low skill manufacturing jobs would go to China and we would continue to excel in the high tech and high skill areas, but we are following behind in educating and training engineers and other high tech professionals, and are in danger of losing that also.
Keeping ahead will require more investment in education in those areas and in supporting more research.

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

Oscar, the problem is, where are the proposals?

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:08 pm

Fred @ 9:06

Always great to read someone’s post and realize within seconds that they as blind and partisan as they claim others are………..

But it takes all kinds
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Can you translate that please?

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

Ann Coulter: If GOP Caves On Immigration, ‘No Republican Is Ever Going To Win Another National Election’

Not that mAnn Coulter is the spokes person for the Republican Party, but Romney as already done that…………

That isn’t new

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:13 pm

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

Oscar, the problem is, where are the proposals?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Which proposals that you have ignored a thousand times before do oyu want us to talk about so you can ignore them again?

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
9:14 pm

“to fix the meebo bar…..go to your control panel….internet properties…..security…..restricted sites….type in http://*.meebo.com

just like a bad liberal….it’s gone”

Tried it — didn’t work. Requires restart?

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:16 pm

“Tried it — didn’t work. Requires restart?”

It worked for me at work, but there I couldn’t minimize it. Here at home I had to expand it and then refresh a couple of times and it finally went away.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
9:17 pm

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

__________________

There have been talks between the leaders of both parties and they can’t agree on what cuts to make. I’m not on their mailing list so can’t give you any details on specific proposals – that’s just where I see the positions of the parties.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:18 pm

The older I get the more liberal I get

The older I get, and the harder I work, the more conservative I get due to watching a new generation of folks coming up who expect everything to be given to them. In my day, self-reliance was considered to be a virtue. Mention “self-reliance” in a crowd of Libs these days, and you can expect to be cussed out and shamed. We’ve gone from a nation of proud people to a nation of whiners and crybabies, with Obama leading the parade.

Libs = Losers.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
9:18 pm

I think there is a compromise coming because the gop’s position is to revise the Dream Act.

Immigration is down and the border is close to secure.

Now is the time.

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:18 pm

Fred, regurgitate those proposals and not your weak personal attacks.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
9:14 pm
__________

Put your curso on that little blue and yellow thing on the bottome right and a pop up should appear, then click on hide ____ bar. That worked for me but you may not have the same image on your screen.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

Recon

“How can anyone who truly believes in America vote Democrat.”

Translation………. that statement is as one sided and blind as any on here……… and there are some whoppers coming from both sides each day………….

A got into with “getalife” last week for a whopper and all he could do was double and triple down on being incorrect

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

“Libs = Losers”

LIke someone who is still working..by choice…at the age of 60 and with 42 years of service, and counting?

getalife

April 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

bruno,

You are fascinated with other Americans lives.

I thought you are worried about the debt we leave them then you attack them.

Which is it bruno?

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

“Libs = Losers.”

Forget the paint brushes guys……. we have a new paint sprayer that will do the job

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

“then click on hide ____ bar”

That doesn’t make it go away. Just hides it. To make it go away completely you need to put it on your restriced sites list.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

Personal attacks Del? Stating the truth that you have ignored facts before is a personal attack? Well I guess in your world……….

How about this one. Get back to me when you have read it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview

getalife

April 25th, 2012
9:23 pm

“A got into with “getalife” last week for a whopper and all he could do was double and triple down on being incorrect.”

Yeah, I lie like the cons.

Fairness.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

“then click on hide ____ bar”

That doesn’t make it go away. Just hides it. To make it go away completely you need to put it on your restricted sites list.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Do you use as a browser Internet Explorer?

kayaker 71

April 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

Rush had an interesting spin on this education bill. He maintains that Congress purposefully passed this bill in 2007, extending the interest rate cut just until July of this year so it would be a campaign issue. He maintains that if Democrats had kept control of the Congress it would not have mattered but if Republicans won a Congressional majority, like they did, and Bozo was president, then this issue was bound to get the youth vote, just by saying that the Republicans are not there to help you and I, Bozo, am. More class warfare, more dividing the electorate into pissed off groups of people and Bozo walks in as the savior to maintain the interest rate as it is without increasing it. If you don’t do it, you are the hero….. if you do it, you are the enemy. Politics at its best/worst.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
9:25 pm

bruno is 60?

I thought he was younger.

My bad.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:25 pm

to fix the meebo bar…..go to your control panel….internet properties…..security…..restricted sites….type in http://*.meebo.com

rightwing or Doggone or Fred–I’m using Windows 7. My Control Panel doesn’t have an “Internet Properties” tab. Any suggestions?? I also use Firefox as my browser if that helps. Any place I can go to in order to block meebo??

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:25 pm

“Do you use as a browser Internet Explorer?”

Yep…but all browsers have a way to block sites.

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:25 pm

TBS, Please you’re not Mr. fairness, you’re as partisan as anyone one on this blog. I’ve read your pretend to be open minded posts, so I’m sorry my friend, while I don’t hold it against you personally, I’m not buying your sanctimony.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
9:26 pm

I clicked on the meebow web site and it says I can get new and timely information about the things that matter to me.

Why would I want to make something that valuable go away.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
9:26 pm

getalife

April 25th, 2012
9:26 pm

kay,

rush.

Again?

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:28 pm

“My Control Panel doesn’t have an “Internet Properties” tab. ”

Do you have “tools” in the IE menu bar? That’s where it is in my browser. Tools…Internet Options…Security tab…then Restricted Sites icon…then Sites button

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:29 pm

Bruno

I am probably not as “liberal” as some on here and of course more than others…..

With that said, if @ 43 having already earned a retirement from a major corporation here in Atlanta, a substantial 401k and some other investments, owning my own business and owning 3 properties one of which is paid off……. makes me a loser

Knock your socks of my friend………….. Knock em dead my man

I can only hope it makes you feel good………….. That is my wish for you

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:29 pm

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:25 pm

“Do you use as a browser Internet Explorer?”

Yep…but all browsers have a way to block sites.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah but this new Firefox has made it hard (I’m about to shtcan them). I can’t see how.

Bruno: I use Firefox as well and am having the damnedest time trying to get it done lol.

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:30 pm

Recon you do not have to buy anything and I stand on the post you asked me to translate………….

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:30 pm

Wow Fred, I know you haven’t read it, however, by linking to it that proves your knowledgeable, right? Sorry but it only proves you’re unable to formulate your own conclusions.

getalife

April 25th, 2012
9:30 pm

Lets not regulate the AJC revenue for the meebo bar.

Jay has to eat.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

I thought you are worried about the debt we leave them then you attack them.

Which is it bruno?

I certainly don’t want to leave our young people in debt before they’ve had a chance to make a mark in this world. At the same time, I’m not impressed with the attitude/work ethic of the young people I’ve come in contact with. One doesn’t depend on the other.

bruno is 60? I thought he was younger.

I think Doggone may be referring to herself. And BTW, Doggone, I praise you work ethic (i.e. in between posting on the JB Blog).

Forget the paint brushes guys……. we have a new paint sprayer that will do the job

TBS–The “Lib” label only applies to a narrow group of people.

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

I don’t know what a meebo is but it sounds bad, like a rash on my ass that looks like O’bozo

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

Bruno @ 9:33

Thanks for the reply and for some on both sides here….. that moniker probably fits

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

Fred

Since you use FF, you can block it through Adblock Plus or Adblock Lite extensions (explanation here)

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

Do you have “tools” in the IE menu bar? That’s where it is in my browser. Tools…Internet Options…Security tab…then Restricted Sites icon…then Sites button

I don’t use IE, Doggone. Too many problems with it. If anyone figures out how to block sites on Firefox, speak up.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:36 pm

Adblock Plus or Adblock Lite extensions

And where can we find/access/add Adblock??

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:37 pm

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:30 pm

Wow Fred, I know you haven’t read it, however, by linking to it that proves your knowledgeable, right? Sorry but it only proves you’re unable to formulate your own conclusions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Please elucidate and provide specific examples. What “conclusions’ am I to formulate? You asked me to provide PROPOSALS FROM THE PRESIDENT, not to formulate conclusions.

I did what you asked in a very simple and timely manner. NOW you are asking for something else. Make up oyur fcking mind what it is you want. Are you a woman/ i thought you were a man. Usually when talking to a man it’s a straight forward proposition. You ask a question I give and answer. I ask a question you give an answer. One doesn’t change the subject and act like a mindless pvssy.

Help me out bro. Tell me WHAT you want and STICK TO IT this time……….

F. Sinkwich

April 25th, 2012
9:38 pm

Lib = losers.

Pretty accurate but I would expand that sentiment to include those who feel guilty for being successful.

Hollywood types.

Geeks like Gates.

In general, people who hate themselves and want everyone to as miserable as they are.

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:38 pm

“Lets not regulate the AJC revenue for the meebo bar.”

Since I’m never going to click through on it anyway, they aren’t going to make any money from me on it. Might as well can it and get rid of the annoyance.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
9:39 pm

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:41 pm

Kamchak: I tried that and it didn’t work. I’ve added *meebo.com/* AND meebo.com. What am I doing wrong?

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:42 pm

Recon

I responded to you instead of Fred……. So while I stick to my translation…….. I should have not responded to you with that reply because you were not asking the question

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:43 pm

More class warfare, more dividing the electorate into pissed off groups of people and Bozo walks in as the savior to maintain the interest rate as it is without increasing it. If you don’t do it, you are the hero….. if you do it, you are the enemy. Politics at its best/worst.

kayaker–Good luck getting anyone to admit that. Seems to me that Obama has tried to take a few tricks from old Bill Clinton. Only one problem: I think deep down Bill might have actually cared about our country. From my perspective, Obama cares only about himself. If he has to nearly destroy the country through division to stay in power, I feel certain that he would do it in a heartbeat.

Note to Kam: Sorry to see you settling for the role of a sideline sniper.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:43 pm

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:42 pm

Recon

I responded to you instead of Fred……. So while I stick to my translation…….. I should have not responded to you with that reply because you were not asking the question
++++++++++++++++++

huh? I never axed to to buy a damn thing……….

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:45 pm

Fred, you and I have gone back and forth on more than just a few occasions. I’ve seen you come on this blog looking for a fight with others as well. You don’t pack enough gear to get to me with insults, so you may as well drink a little bit more loud mouth and move on to somebody else because I’ve got your number and it doesn’t ring up on the man side of the ledger.

RHINO

April 25th, 2012
9:46 pm

Maybe it’s time we stopped voting for someone because “he’s cool” and vote for someone because he’s a leader…because he’s a proven success in business….and because he’s not a racial divider like our current president.

Bookman, your funny little joke about the “slow jams” video – it really shows how pathetic your conscience is – you really DO vote for people because of their “cool” factor, don’t you? Unfortunately so do millions of other uninformed, misguided, and selfish voters that have no guts to make themselves be successful – instead they want the government to do it for them and they “hate” on the successful, self-made man. Pathetic!

They BOTH suck

April 25th, 2012
9:48 pm

Everyone have a great night and an even better tomorrow

Bruno

Be safe driving to and from the show………. Hope PB, Jam and yourself have a great time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppEq4STTAZw&feature=related

peace

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
9:49 pm

Kam: I downloaded Adblock Plus but I could not find anywhere to put in the text you posted. HELP!

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:49 pm

“I don’t use IE, Doggone. Too many problems with it”

I hear that all the time and I’ve never been able to figure out what kind of problem people have with it. It’s always worked fine for me, both at home and at work. And I’ve used it for YEARS.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:50 pm

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:45 pm

Fred, you and I have gone back and forth on more than just a few occasions. I’ve seen you come on this blog looking for a fight with others as well. You don’t pack enough gear to get to me with insults, so you may as well drink a little bit more loud mouth and move on to somebody else because I’ve got your number and it doesn’t ring up on the man side of the ledger.
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oh in other words, I called your bluff and you aren’t even holding a pair. You have like 10 high. You spouted bullsht, you KNOW you spouted Bullsht, yet you aren’t man enough to just say, “Hey, I spouted Bullsht.’

That’s cool Scoutie. I expected nothing else from you. Nice try on the drinking thing. You wanna accuse me of doing crack next you small little man? I mean THAT is the best you can do lol? I’m laughing AT you not with you………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA

Recon 0311 2533

April 25th, 2012
9:50 pm

Y’all enjoy the evening. I’m out

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
9:51 pm

Kamchak: I tried that and it didn’t work. I’ve added *meebo.com/* AND meebo.com. What am I doing wrong?

I’m stuck also. I added the Adblock Plus feature, then attempted to “add” meebo.com to the list, but no action so far.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 25th, 2012
9:52 pm

Fred

I think you need the two parallel lines as illustrated here ||*meebo.com/*

That key is found between the Enter and Backspace keys combo’d with the forward slash.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Note to Kam: Sorry to see you settling for the role of a sideline sniper.

I think I’ll survive your disappointment.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 25th, 2012
9:53 pm

“One of the battlegrounds of the 2012 presidential campaign will be younger voters, as the Associated Press reports”

And ……………… another one of the battlegrounds of the 2012 presidential campaign will be INTELLIGENT voters as 0311 reports !

Doggone/GA

April 25th, 2012
9:54 pm

“I’m stuck also. I added the Adblock Plus feature, then attempted to “add” meebo.com to the list, but no action so far.”

I don’t know anything about Adblock…but in IE I had to expand the toolbar and then refresh the screen a couple/three times and it finally went away.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:56 pm

Heck Kam. I copy pasted (to get the ||) ||*meebo.com/*
Still didn’t work.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
9:58 pm

Scout: You look for conflict where there really is none. I merely request you stick to the topic and ask for what it is you want answered. YOU are the one who holds a grudge and gets assy lol. You were all buddy buddy once when I used a different name yet posted the same things I always post……..

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
9:59 pm

Success! Go back and find the string Kam posted at 9:34 (Click on the link). When you download Adblock you should see a small dialogue bar at the bottom of your screen. Go to filter preferences.Click on “Add filter” in the upper right of the dialogue box and paste the string you got from the 9:34. Voila!

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
10:00 pm

Well I’m old and fat and have to do actually physical labor tomorrow for which I am wholly unprepared for. It kicked my ass today and it will be worse tomorrow. How in the hell did I let myself get this fat and sloppy.

Well it’s nobody’s fault but mine……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZibgdi7hXY

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
10:01 pm

Sooth–I did exactly that, but no results for me. I guess I’ll just have to put up with the annoyance. I’m guessing the AJC is deriving revenue from meebo.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
10:02 pm

Out for a few. Appreciate the attempted help, Kam.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
10:02 pm

No Meebo! This is Heaven! Hallelujah!

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
10:03 pm

Sooth: I’ve used adblock for ages. I’m still not seeing success lol.

JFYI: Here is anohter great program to help protect your computer (free of course). I’ve been using it as well for years.

http://www.winpatrol.com/

getalife

April 25th, 2012
10:07 pm

It is a free blog.

The least you can do is click on the link one time then hide it.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
10:10 pm

Fred: go to “Tools” Double click on either Adblock Plus or Adblock Lite. Click on “Filter preferences” In the upper right corner look for “Add filter” the add this stream ||*meebo.com/*

The Meebo will go away.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
10:12 pm

Oops! After “Tools” then “Add-ons” SORRY!

barking frog

April 25th, 2012
10:15 pm

Take care of your tools
and your tools will take
care of you.

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
10:16 pm

Sooth; I’ve done that. No love. Well kind of. I HAVE no “tools” any more. I’m using the latest Firefox and they did away with tools. I click on extensions and add that in and nothing happens……..

Fred ™

April 25th, 2012
10:16 pm

Oh well. Later. I’m going to bed.

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
10:16 pm

I just can’t believe I don’t have to look at that stupid Meebo bar anymore. THIS IS WONDERFUL!

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
10:20 pm

Fred: when you click on tools and add-ons do you see Adblock Plus or Adblock Lite?

If not you need to download one or the other. Click on “get add-ons” and put Adblock in the search window.

Look for Adblock Plus 2.0.3 and click download.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 25th, 2012
10:22 pm

Fred:

Good to see you are here. This is from the other night. Try to remain calm.

“Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School is already on the record opining that the arrest affidavit filed against George Zimmerman for the alleged second-degree murder of Trayvon Martin is “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second-degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Trayvon-Martin-Zimmerman-killing/2012/04/20/id/436616

P.S.

Many disagree with your assessment of this incident. What will you do if a judge, jury and/or appellate court also disagree with you?

Remember, this is a nation of laws ………… not “Freds” !

Soothsayer

April 25th, 2012
10:24 pm

Sooth out. What a wonderful evening. No more crappy Meebo! Thank goodness! Thank Kammy!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 25th, 2012
10:29 pm

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
10:31 pm

The least you can do is click on the link one time then hide it.

Hiding it isn’t the problem. The problem is that it’s often very slow to load, and stops Jay’s page from loading entirely. It has taken me 3-4 minutes to get the page to load recently.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
10:32 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 25th, 2012
10:29 pm
______

That’s funny. You think Romney fits in with that. I can see her and Mitt together on a hayride. Must he first cousins at least.

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
10:37 pm

Blood on the back of the head
He will soon be dead
Oops didn’t know he had a gun
Guess I should have run.

Bruno

April 25th, 2012
10:52 pm

Scout–Any opinion about the TSA patting down the 4 year old girl recently?? Some major BS in my book. Too bad none of our politicians will stand up for freedom.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 25th, 2012
11:10 pm

Bruno:

Yes ……….. it’s rediculous. Because they are afraid of reasonable “profiling” everyone has to suffer.

Tundra Dude

April 25th, 2012
11:37 pm

What a wonderful evening. No more crappy Meebo!

I use Firefox with NoScripts…..I don’t see a Meebo….where’s it supposed to be??

Oscar

April 25th, 2012
11:39 pm

Tundra Dude

April 25th, 2012
11:37 pm
+++++++++

Multi colored strip across the bottom of your screen.

captguitarman

April 26th, 2012
1:34 am

Since the fatuous, hopey-changey happy talk is not an option this time around, the very cool and hip President will ultimately have to get specific. Besides, it became clear very quickly after the last election that a “new way of doing business” in Washington was definitely not being put into place, and was never put into place in the Dem controlled House and Senate when Obamacare was passed. As Hillary once very famously declared . . . it’s the economy, stupid, And quoting Mitt’s terrific speech last night in New Hampshire, “we are not stupid.” Look for a Clinton-like campaign against Obama along the same lines that the Clintons waged against Bush I.

One out of two college grads are unemployed or under employed now – an unprecedented statistic. Blaming Bush will not work, because blaming the predecessor has never really worked in presidential politics. And the class of 2012 is going to walk right into this mess, running at full steam since 2009. Unless the great majority of these kids, and those graduating in ‘09, ‘10, ‘11, and ‘12 think it is going to be “really cool” to live in their parents’ basement for the next 4 or 5 years years — and the evidence is growing that they are beginning to wake up and realize that no job and a still crappy economy are not very “cool” — the President is going to have to do a whole lot better than appearing Jimmy Fallon and John Stewart, et al. and looking “cool” and rapping and cracking wise with the hosts. In fact, Romney’s lack of “coolness” just might become very appealing to these kids as they contemplate their future economic prospects.

ld

April 26th, 2012
3:40 am

If young voters think the GOP is going to help them–the indebted borrower
class; the employee class; the military age class– they are delusional.

ld

April 26th, 2012
3:42 am

The Dems will likely offer a “bailout” of student loans, but they should not and young voters should not seek or accept them. They’d just be trading their own personal, likely manageable, debt for an ever-increasing unmanageable tax burden for their generation–perhaps the rest of their lives–and, quite possibly, their children’s lives.

seabeau

April 26th, 2012
5:40 am

Jay: In other words,its OK TO BUY VOTES!!!

seabeau

April 26th, 2012
5:42 am

Of course,those on THE Dole always Vote for THE DOLE!!

seabeau

April 26th, 2012
5:47 am

Of course students are the ideal Democrats, they can vote,they are easily misled,and they are supported by others. O yea! Most do not Pay Taxes!!!

MiltonMan

April 26th, 2012
6:25 am

Jay, since the polls you like to use so often in the past have tighten up a bit, you decide to use “cute” videos now???

I like it when Obama is away from Washington doing garbage like this – keeps him from damaging this country even more. Funny to see him hanging out with his 1% buddy Fallon. I guess Fallon took a break from his Capitol One commercials to hang out with Obama.

MiltonMan

April 26th, 2012
6:27 am

I was a democrat as a college student. Boy I wish I were a college students today – free birth control, low interest rates on loans for a degree that will not get you a job, etc.

Fred ™

April 26th, 2012
6:45 am

First. (Well first NON nutcase on this morning). :lol:

Thomas Heyward Jr.

April 26th, 2012
7:12 am

First debate if it was Romney and Obama.
Romney- Your campaign is funded by a pack of leeches that are bleeding this country dry!
Obama- Yours is funded by the same people!
(Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup, JP Morgan, ect).
Romney- You support taxpayer funded bailouts (TARP).
Obama- So do you!
Romney- You support the ‘patriot’ act!
Obama- So do you!
Romney- You support never-ending war!
Obama- So do you!
Romney- You support the indefinite detention of American citizens without due process!
Obama- So do you!
Romney- You support assassinating American citizens without due process!
Obama- So do you!
Romney- You support government takeover of healthcare!
Obama- So do you! In fact, we modeled our plan after yours!
Romney- I never said my plan would be good for the nation!
Obama- Ummm… that’s not what you said on Meet The Press (and several other places).
Romney- You support increased gun control laws!
Obama- Didn’t you sign a ban on semi-automatic weapons? Hello pot, my name is kettle!
.
Ron Paul versus Mittbama Fascism

JB

April 26th, 2012
7:13 am

Good sign. Most of the under 30 crowd in my work place ARE NOT SOLD ON THE GUY for a second term. Some want to know more about Romney…..and most agree IT AIN’T WORKING NOW.

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

April 26th, 2012
7:15 am

[...] Romney, Obama fighting for the young vote (blogs.ajc.com) [...]

JB

April 26th, 2012
7:17 am

An Obama voter = someone with little ambition

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2012
7:17 am

first NON nutcase

Yeah, the stupid is pretty strong with this thread.

One thing I’ve seen popping up here is this silly notion that huge percentages of these lazy, layabout, leechy college students are overwhelmingly opting for degrees in basket-weaving or suchlike. I know it’s asking a lot for people to actually look sh-t up before spouting, but…

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/figures/fig_15.asp?referrer=figures

Fred ™

April 26th, 2012
7:20 am

It’s not just this thread dB, it’s rampant throughout our population. Look at the numbers for FOX lol.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2012
7:22 am

And as to those who are crying about the President having higher likeability rankings or, if you will, seeming “cooler”, than the presumed GOP nominee?

You all might want to think back to what we Dem-leaning voters had to put up with in 2000 and 2004, and all the loving media portraits of GW Bush as “the guy you’d want to have a beer with” whereas Gore was always portrayed as “stiff” and of course Kerry had committed the sin of… windsurfing! He wasn’t a regular guy a tall!

I wish voters based their decision strictly on actual performance and stated commitments to issues likely to affect us Americans ahead. But the fact is, that vast swath of “independent” voters (who are really just “not very well informed/can’t be bothered to learn” types, generally) who can be swung one way or another, they’re the folks you have to reach at the retail politics level.

And if you don’t like it, work to change this nutty system that allows for a years-long primary/general campaign. Otherwise, stop bitching already.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2012
7:29 am

An Obama voter = someone with little ambition

A Romney voter = someone who assumes sh-t not in evidence about his fellow man and the world.

(Looky ma, I can stereotype too!)

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2012
7:37 am

“Good times, bad times, you know I’ve had my share…”
–Thomas Jeffferson

Mitt Romney said, “I became successful by helping start a business that grew from 10 people to hundreds of people.” That was actually Bain Capital, which he founded with other rich prickfaces. After once again listing the few companies we’ve heard of that were successes once Bain came in, Romney continued, “I’d tell you that not every business made it and there were good days and bad days, but every day was a lesson.”

“Huh,” the Rude Pundit thought. “I wonder which day or which business he was talking about.” Was it Georgetown Steel in South Carolina, which was gutted by Bain once it took over, with managers “replaced by people who knew nothing of steel,” with equipment upgrades avoided, with union benefits cut, which was fine for making the quick buck Bain wanted it to make so it could look better on paper and be sold, but not so good for making, you know, steel products, and Georgetown was driven into bankruptcy.

[...]

Or was it a bad day when a Bain-run corporation bought a paper plant in Marion, Indiana, in 1994 and immediately fired everyone who worked there and forced them to reapply for their jobs “at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in health-care benefits”? When the workers striked, Bain closed it down and shipped the jobs to Mexico. Was that a bad day or a good day? It’s hard to tell. Probably both, depending on where your paycheck was at the end of it.

[...]

The thing that President Obama needs to keep in mind about Mitt Romney is that he is a ruthless, amoral son of a bitch. Like Bain Capital, he makes promises that are lies when they get in the way of his greater good or his bottom line. With his polished smile and primped hair, Romney is one of the most outright depraved and evil sociopaths ever to run for office, and that’s including Richard Nixon and Pat Robertson.

Bud Wiser

April 26th, 2012
7:42 am

In the private sector, if you sign for something like a loan (of money, not your car or a cup of sugar to the neighbor’s wife) to someone, then when payment comes due and you don’t have it because you already spent it many times over, you go to jail.

In the public sector, do that to try to get re-elected, always promise something you know the suckers will fall for, but you know that you’ll never deliver.

Works almost every time.

2012 will be the exception.

ken

April 26th, 2012
7:47 am

Go to You Tube and watch ” IF I WANTED AMERICA TO FAIL’ It is great. You lefties might wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TiredOfIt

April 26th, 2012
7:49 am

Had to believe the republicans are supporting a non Christian moderate.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2012
7:54 am

when payment comes due and you don’t have it because you already spent it many times over, you go to jail.

snort.

Or, more likely, your company declares bankruptcy, you screw your creditors, and you move on to the next scheme. Ask The Donald… or Newt, for that matter.

How Did Mitt Romney Get So Obscenely Rich?

April 26th, 2012
7:59 am

ken

April 26th, 2012
8:05 am

How did John Kerry GET SO OBSCEMELY RICH ?????????????????? And does it bother you ??

Mighty Righty

April 26th, 2012
8:06 am

If Obama had to tell the truth, he would be mute. The student loan program is a prime example of Obama saying one thing while doing something else. As a Senator, he was absent when the student loan program came up for a vote. Just didn’t care enough to vote. In order to make his “non affordable health care destruction act” appear to be less costly he transferred money from the student loan program to the Obama scam called health care the same as he did with the medicare money which we are now finding we need. While the president is critical of Republican plans to save Social Security and the student loan program his administration is the only one o actually take money from both to advance his agenda. The Republicans support the student loan program as they always have. The Republicans want the president to return the money confiscated by his health care scam to the student loan program while Obama would prefer to borrow the money from the chinese. Meanwhile, the president has to divert attention from his failed economic policies which is the real cause of young people bailing out on his “hope and change.”

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
8:08 am

Ron Paul, Independent, in
the general election will
turn a horse race into a
toss up.

Mighty Righty

April 26th, 2012
8:08 am

How did Obama getso obscenely rich without even having a job?

Mick

April 26th, 2012
8:09 am

mighty

Let us not forget who holds the purse strings – congress. So, your charges seem a bit baseless…

Mick

April 26th, 2012
8:13 am

mighty

As if all we’ve heard from romney is the truth? Politicians and truth are more like oil and water…

MiltonMan

April 26th, 2012
8:14 am

“Had to believe the republicans are supporting a non Christian moderate.”

Education received via APS System – check

MiltonMan

April 26th, 2012
8:16 am

Senate clowns vote to give postal service $11B & keep disfunctional post offices open for at least another year. Postmaster tells them to go pack sand.

Time to vote out all these clowns in the Senate.

cloudodust

April 26th, 2012
8:16 am

Youth can be sold a bill of goods that only fools of age would buy. Letting the taxpayers pay for your college sounds great until the youth grow a bit, have kids of their own and realize they’ll be paying for someone else’s kids. Not such a good deal then. That’s when they will change their tune and see the stupidity of their youth… There once was a candidate that played a sax…

Mighty Righty

April 26th, 2012
8:18 am

“Or, more likely, your company declares bankruptcy, you screw your creditors, and you move on to the next scheme. Ask The Donald… or Newt, for that matter.”

OR the President uses authority he doesn’t have to confiscate the company assets give the assets to a labor union and give the owners of the company nothing. (See GM and Chrysler) Government theft pure and simple. BTW thousands of people lost the jobs as a result of the government action which no one wants to talk about) Government theft by the Obama administration, pure and simple.

Adam

April 26th, 2012
8:19 am

Bruno: does anyone else here think that something is drastically wrong when 1 out of every 7 people receive Food Stamps??

Of course. There was a recession, and a slow recovery has ensued. However, what this is NOT due to is that somehow millions of people have suddenly become unable or unwilling to work all by themselves (except the elderly, maybe). As the economy recovers, less people will qualify for food stamps. The solution is NOT, as Romney suggested by endorsing the Ryan plan and the GOP agenda, to cut food stamps. That only makes the people who need the food further unable to get it, thus making it less likely they will be healthy enough to re-enter the job market once a job becomes available. There’s also a significant amount of stress on someone who NEEDS food from other sources and has to fight every day to get it, and such people rarely perform well in interviews.

My personal opinion is that a President can’t directly improve the economy. At best, they can attempt to create conditions favorable for job growth, primarily by not attempting to micromanage and manipulate markets. I have no idea what Romney might do if elected, and he himself may not know. But, I trust his business instincts far more than I do Obama’s.

As President, Romney’s business instincts will have zero effect on the businesses of the country. At best, he would be able to manage things in the executive branch using those skills. But what you don’t seem to get is that he still can’t do any better than Obama in that regard, unless you’re getting particularly nitpicky about cabinet members, offices that you think shouldn’t exist that he has direct control over, etc. Even then, sometimes it’s not up to him to just eliminate a position, sometimes Congress has to act to eliminate a position that the President has the authority to appoint to. And the President can’t just leave these places vacant.

Bottom line: Romney’s business experience won’t help him be President any more than any other skills (if any) he has. It is a conservative fallacy that business experience helps one be President.

Mick

April 26th, 2012
8:22 am

mighty

Talking points king for a day – ever try original thought???

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
8:23 am

Adam
What skills are required
for a POTUS?

Mighty Righty

April 26th, 2012
8:26 am

Mick, it was a democrat congress that approved the theft from Medicare and the Student Loan program as part of the “non affordable health destruction act” without a single republican vote. They met under the cover of darkness, didn’t read the bill. didn’t know what was in it, democrats all and voted to confiscate money from one program and give it to another. In fact, they counted the money twice as testified before congress by the secretary Kathleen Sebilius.

Romney Can't Say 'Everything I've Said For The Last 6 Months, I Didn't Mean'

April 26th, 2012
8:27 am

“You have a Republican Party, and a presumptive Republican nominee, that believes in drastically rolling back environmental regulations, that believes in drastically rolling back collective-bargaining rights, that believes in an approach to deficit reduction in which taxes are cut further for the wealthiest Americans, and spending cuts are entirely borne by things like education or basic research or care for the vulnerable,” Obama continued.

Obama rejected the idea that Mitt Romney would be able to disavow positions he’s taken in the primary. “I don’t think that their nominee is going to be able to suddenly say, ‘Everything I’ve said for the last six months, I didn’t mean.’ I’m assuming that he meant it,” he said. “When you’re running for president, people are paying attention to what you’re saying.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/obama-romney-2012-election_n_1451912.html

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 26th, 2012
8:29 am

“they met under the cover of darkness….”

I love the smell of paranoia in the morning.

Almost better than bacon.

Bruno

April 26th, 2012
8:29 am

You all might want to think back to what we Dem-leaning voters had to put up with in 2000 and 2004, and all the loving media portraits of GW Bush as “the guy you’d want to have a beer with” whereas Gore was always portrayed as “stiff” and of course Kerry had committed the sin of… windsurfing! He wasn’t a regular guy a tall!

sfd–GMAFB. There isn’t one conservative in America who voted for Bush because they thought he was a “regular guy”. Or any who voted against Gore or Kerry due to their likeability/unlikeability factor. That’s a Lib thing.

Bottom line: Romney’s business experience won’t help him be President any more than any other skills (if any) he has.

Adam–If you believe that, then don’t vote for him. I’m not really sure what skill set Obama brought to the job that might have swayed your vote the first time. Being a total BSer and a Divider don’t qualify as valid skills in my book.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2012
8:29 am

the theft from Medicare

…yep, it’s sittin’ in a bag in the basement of the White House, and that’s what them crafty RE-pubs is gone use to pay for them student loans.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2012
8:31 am

sfd–GMAFB. There isn’t one conservative in America who voted for Bush because they thought he was a “regular guy”. Or any who voted against Gore or Kerry due to their likeability/unlikeability factor. That’s a Lib thing.

utter self-delusion.

TiredOfIt

April 26th, 2012
8:35 am

Romney will be an extension of the GW polices and we know how that worked out. Remember the fall of 2008!

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
8:36 am

“utter self-delusion”

Awwww, come on sfd…you just KNOW that he contacted every single one of them and verified that information…right? ;-)

Becky

April 26th, 2012
8:40 am

This makes me sick. Not very Presidential. What will he do next? Start wearing his pants on the ground to pander to the young hip hop vote? Good thing he can’t get pregnant to “connect” with the single mothers out there.

TiredOfIt

April 26th, 2012
8:40 am

Miltonman must be at teacher for the APS if he believes Romney is not a moderate or is a Christian. Seems like many of the students at liberty university would disagree. Check out comments about him speaking at their commencement.

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
8:41 am

Mighty Righty – “How did Obama getso obscenely rich without even having a job?”

Uh oh, WEALTH ENVY! Stop worrying about what other people have and pull yourself up by your bootstraps!

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
8:45 am

Would be nice if Bookman had a thread on the recent Supreme Court hearings on the Arizona law.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 26th, 2012
8:46 am

Gee whiz Becky, I bet you’re just loads of fun at parties.

There is help out there for the humor impaired.

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
8:46 am

The Fed is lending to banks
at 0%. Why not students
at 0%?

TiredOfIt

April 26th, 2012
8:48 am

Barking frog: That’s a very good question!

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
8:50 am

Any school that receives
federal funds should not
be allowed to charge out
of state tuition.

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
8:51 am

“Would be nice if Bookman had a thread on the recent Supreme Court hearings on the Arizona law”

What’s the matter? Too lazy to write your own blog about it?

MiltonMan

April 26th, 2012
8:51 am

“Miltonman must be at teacher for the APS if he believes Romney is not a moderate or is a Christian. Seems like many of the students at liberty university would disagree. Check out comments about him speaking at their commencement.”

This guy is so clueless that he does not even comprehend his own post much less than my response to said post.

Hilarious in his belief in a single modal approach to why “we” would vote for Romney.

Rational thoughts evade the left....

April 26th, 2012
8:54 am

The youngsters can either pay now or pay later but eventually they’ll pay. Kick another can down the road, it’s all good. If Bookman thinks Zero’s appearance on the credit card huckster’s show is “cool” then I have some groovy plaid pants that he can have….

JamVet

April 26th, 2012
8:56 am

The GOP’s impeccable timing strikes again!

First the War on Sluts, Prostitutes and FemiNazis. (To woo the female voters! But not the baby killers.)

Now the War on Students (To woo the youth vote.)

Are these guys being paid by the DNC?

Mighty Righty

April 26th, 2012
8:56 am

Below is a link to a few dozen Obama lies.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

St Simons - codewords are the new black

April 26th, 2012
8:57 am

The last 3 “businessmen” to be president were Warren Harding,
Herbert Hoover, and Little Nero w/a Cowboy Hat, jus sayin, mon

hey, I wonder if Romney’s religion will do the “christian” thing
and pray the muslins into heaven.

Adam

April 26th, 2012
8:59 am

Bruno: Being a total BSer and a Divider don’t qualify as valid skills in my book.

Again I ask why you are voting for Romney. He has more divisive language than Obama has, talking about how Obama went on an apology tour and everything is his fault. It ignores reality. It’s hardly BS or divisive to call out a gridlocked Congress when Congress is, well, ACTUALLY gridlocked. But it IS BS and divisive to insist that Obama is all to blame for that.

Campaigns are also necessarily divisive. As you yourself pointed out, no one wins by saying the other guy is awesome.

Joe the Prophet

April 26th, 2012
9:00 am

I just want to congratulate Governor Romney and his good looking family on his money and success….I mean…losing a Senate race and running for President for 12 years is hard work…!!!

Now, all you low-life working class Georgia Crackers need to bow down at my feet and congragulate me…I probably have more money than you and have a better looking family and since I’m half Jewish, God loves me more…:-)…

Gm

April 26th, 2012
9:00 am

Chrysler post best quarterly profit in 13 years:

Thank you President Obama had we listen to Mitt more students and parents would have been in the unemployment line, I know this is not good news for the Anti Americans on the right who want to see Americans suffer and fail.

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
9:01 am

St. Simons – hey, I wonder if Romney’s religion will do the “christian” thing
and pray the muslins into heaven.”

Now that’s just stupid. Don’t you know that they wait until they’re dead, and then baptize them into the church. How else can everbody get a shot at Planet Kolob? :)

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
9:02 am

Joe
which half is jewish?

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
9:02 am

barking frog – “which half is jewish?”

The better half. :)

Adam

April 26th, 2012
9:03 am

USMC who criticized Obama on Facebook: I wish I could take it back

April 26th, 2012
9:04 am

Sgt. Gary Stein, the 26-year-old Marine who learned Wednesday he would be discharged for his online comments criticizing President Barack Obama, wishes he could take it back.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/25/11396769-marine-who-criticized-obama-on-facebook-i-wish-i-could-take-it-back?lite

GT

April 26th, 2012
9:04 am

Nothing about Romney says young voters. The only attractive candidate the Republicans had for the youth was Paul who is diametrically opposite of Romney. Now if you are a rich young person I advise you to vote for Romney to protect your position, because being born into wealth is about the only way the Romney administration is going to help any young person. I not even sure the Republican Party believes in education more less wants to pay for it. Obama came thought a system that helped him get a Harvard education, and become president of the United States, a black man. Romney came from wealth and thinks he hit a triple, how can the truth be any more plain. Who would a young person most like to emulate or want to in this group, the lucky sperm club Romney or the pioneer that made it to the promise land Obama. It ain’t rocket science here but money can distort a lot of communication and truth.

Adam

April 26th, 2012
9:05 am

Further, Bruno, Romney is the ultimate BSer. He hasn’t had a single policy position that has been consistent, because he is changing his positions to be whatever he thinks people want to hear. He’s not interested in governing, he’s only interested in winning. He comes off as someone who just wants “President of the United States” on his resume.

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
9:05 am

“hey, I wonder if Romney’s religion will do the “christian” thing
and pray the muslins into heaven”

Nah, they’ll wait until they die and then baptize them afterwards.

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
9:05 am

Butch
good answer.

Mick

April 26th, 2012
9:09 am

usmc

Sorry, no do overs, this is reality not a child’s game…

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
9:09 am

Adam – “He comes off as someone who just wants “President of the United States” on his resume.”

Don’t be so hard Romney. Afterall, he’s “unemployed” and it’s a tough job market out there. Every little bit helps. ;)

MiltonMan

April 26th, 2012
9:10 am

“Now, all you low-life working class Georgia Crackers need to bow down at my feet and congragulate me…I probably have more money than you and have a better looking family and since I’m half Jewish, God loves me more…:-)…”

We will “congragulate” you when you learn to spell.

JamVet

April 26th, 2012
9:10 am

I find it more than a little interesting that Newsmax is predictably and desperately trying to promote the party line that Republicans will now dutifully fall in line behind the Uppity Mormon RINO.

Too funny…

269 more days

April 26th, 2012
9:10 am

Good morning fellow voters. hope you all have a womderful, blessed day

Mighty Righty

April 26th, 2012
9:11 am

http://thechairmansblog.gallup.com/2012/04/whats-really-standing-in-way-of-job.html#.T5VgqNa9mYU.email

For those of you who can handle the truth, you will find the above link intellectualy stimulating. It is a common sense analysis on the subject of job creation. It is apolitcal.

JamVet

April 26th, 2012
9:13 am

Mick, obviously there are plenty of dumbass (now) ex-marines out there!

What a dipstick – killing his own military career because he has no self-discipline…

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
9:16 am

“What a dipstick – killing his own military career because he has no self-discipline”

Yeah, well…that kind of idiot is everywhere. I used to work in a building with 35 floors and some jerk got fired because he got caught getting on the elevator, punching every floor, and then getting off.

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
9:17 am

Mighty Righty – “For those of you who can handle the truth, you will find the above link intellectualy stimulating. It is a common sense analysis on the subject of job creation. It is apolitcal.”

Interesting read. Freely translated: Don’t impose regulations until everyone gets back to work. Once we have full employment, we will gladly and willingly accept your rules and regulations. How could anyone possibly doubt them?

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
9:19 am

“How could anyone possibly doubt them?”

I’m sure they would HAPPILY accept regulations … NO WAY would they say “see how high unemployment was before??? but then you got rid of regulations and JUST LOOK at all the people we hired!!! would be a shame if we had to fire them all”

:roll:

teh stoopid is strong with that one …

GT

April 26th, 2012
9:20 am

Who will be the VP candidates?

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
9:21 am

US – “teh stoopid is strong with that one …”

Exactly. Why not take the article further and remind everyone how productive this country was up until we barred 6 year olds from working in factories and started giving people the weekend off.

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
9:22 am

“Who will be the VP candidates?”

No one. VP’s don’t run for office. They ride the coattails of the Presidential candidate.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

April 26th, 2012
9:23 am

well, mr smart guy butch, what good is THAT? after they’re de-ad?

MY tribe’s prayer to da Great Spirit of the extension cord will get you
in immediately. Call the casino! Supplies are limited!

And if you ACT NOW, we’ll throw in the 72 virgins for freeeee.
All the way to Planet Kolob. Yes sir-eebob.

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2012
9:27 am

I can’t figure out if the whole getting 72 virgins in heaven is supposed to be a prize or a punishment.

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
9:28 am

jamVet, 9:10,

“The Uppity Mormon RINO”? I think that the Uppity Muslim Socialist that we have is more appropriate. And will we rally around him at the election? We would rally around Yosimite Sam if he could defeat that colossal failure that we have occupying Government Housing. When the Arizona Law is upheld and the Supremes strike down Bozo care, he will never survive.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:28 am

I find many of the comments ridiculing Romney’s faith a lot like climate change deniers. They repeat the same things, they don’t understand what they’re talking about, they lift it from sites with an anti-bias and the message is “I’m so smart…. cause I don’t believe all that dumb stuff.”

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
9:29 am

“I can’t figure out if the whole getting 72 virgins in heaven is supposed to be a prize or a punishment”

Yeah, well…I guess the guy who said he’d rather have 72 sluts who know what they’re doing would consider it a punishment!

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
9:30 am

“I can’t figure out if the whole getting 72 virgins in heaven is supposed to be a prize or a punishment”

Yeah, well…I guess the guy who said he’d rather have 72 sluts who know what they’re doing would consider it a punishment!

hmmmm

April 26th, 2012
9:30 am

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:31 am

(ir)Rational

I’m guessing it’s a reward – for the women.

Only 1/72nd of their time is spent with an idiot.

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2012
9:33 am

Doggone – I was just thinking about spending eternity with 72 women. I have a hard enough time keeping just one happy, I can’t imagine 72. And then there is the possibility of 72 sets of “in-laws.” Makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:34 am

hmmmmmmmm

So did he shoot the pit bull?

Or did the owner, realizing someone might just take final action on his irresponsibility, finally wise up?

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
9:34 am

Paul – “they don’t understand what they’re talking about,”

Sorry Chief, I do understand what I’m talking about. I grew up in Brigham City ,UT about 50 miles north of Salt Lake City. I have at least 8 copies of the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price given to me by various girlfriends from high school through college. In grade school I attended primary classes with my friends, and in high school I sang with the choir at numerous Mormon Wards, Stakehouses and even performed at the Los Angeles temple in 1985. I even know about the secret Temple ceremonies that are performed when a husband and wife are sealed for all eternity.

Now, how much do YOU know about the church?

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2012
9:37 am

Paul – Yeah, but do you know of 72 women that could get along in a group. They would split into clics and everyone would be in trouble.

JamVet

April 26th, 2012
9:37 am

71, you would rally around Yosimite Sam James Earl Ray, if he were still alive…

GT

April 26th, 2012
9:39 am

Paul these people don’t even know the Christian faith, more less Romney’s. It is like pop art to them, whatever hits the mood. They read the Constitution the same way, if they can read. It is all about them.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:44 am

Butch Cassidy

So you associated with LDS for years. Lots of people associate with Catholics or Episcopalians for years, might have a Bible or a Book of Common Prayer, go to vacation bible school and still not have the ability to go into detail about the Nicene Creed or Trinity.

Your comments indicate you haven’t a clue (or if you do, you’re just piling on) about that faith’s distinction between what they call “Mormon folklore” and doctrine, the musings of people that others mistake for official positions, and the difference between imagery and literalism in their texts.

Matter of fact, it’s pretty common, regardless of one’s faith, to attend services and do superficial readings for decades and still haven’t a clue about the real meanings of their faith, aside from the type of superficial responses I read here.

You might consider relating something from the writings of Dr. Hugh Nibley or Blake Ostler. You know all about them and how their remarks relate to your comments without doing a Google search, right?

They BOTH suck

April 26th, 2012
9:44 am

“Uppity Muslim Socialist….”

I believe it was me who said the Muslim card was coming back………..

Can I get a bither to please stand up?

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:46 am

(Ir)Rational

All I can say is…. whatever floats their boat and motivates them to live a good life. That’s why I sometimes think there are so many different expressions and interpretations of God. Hey, if it works for them and doesn’t hurt anyone, I’m fine with it.

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
9:49 am

“Can I get a bither to please stand up”

Well…there’s always that Sheriff in AZ

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:50 am

Butch

Let me put it this way. I’ve had hours of discussions with lifelong LDS and found a fair number of them unable to go into any depth on their faith. As one guy I spoke with last week led off “we send tens of thousands of young men and women out into the world and they, with all good intentions, teach all manner of false doctrine…”

So you can see why I’m a bit skeptical, from the tone and content of your comments, to separate you from that category.

Of course, you could always lay off the ridicule and, references about Gov Romney’s faith and post stuff about his religion that’s actually relevant to his campaign for government service……

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
9:52 am

Well, the Mormons are at least mostly loyal to their wives and families, usually marry for life, give a good portion of their income to support others, have a pretty low crime rate and appear to be pretty responsible people. Contrast that with other people and it seems that they might have something good going on. AmVet used the word, “Uppity”. That’s supposed to be saved for racists like me to demean minority groups, is it not? Be careful, AmVet.

They BOTH suck

April 26th, 2012
9:53 am

“Well…there’s always that Sheriff in AZ”

Check out this site: Headlines say all you need to know

http://www.wnd.com/

It is the “conservative” National Enquirer…………. makes Newsmax look objective……..

hahahaha

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:54 am

GT

That sounds a remarkably ignorant thing to say.

Perhaps you’d like to expound upon “the Christian faith”?

But which one?

Roman Catholic?

Greek Orthodox?

Maronite?

Southern Baptist?

Non denominational?

I’m sure all those good Christians agree with all the other good Christians, as to what constitutes the true Christian faith, don’t they?

Adam

April 26th, 2012
9:55 am

Paul: My experience with most Christians, Mormons included, family included, MYSELF included (at the time), is that there is more of an overarching “I believe in God and Jesus” thing going on, and less of an actual understanding of nuance beyond that. Whatever the preacher says is what the Bible says, even if that’s not actually the case. Whatever the community supports, you support. Whatever they think, you think. It’s a massive group think tank.

Start delving into the actual readings and teachings? Well, you are probably less likely to buy some of it. Whether that makes you reject religion wholesale or not is a different story.

TaxPayer

April 26th, 2012
9:55 am

Has Huckabee come out in support of Mitt yet.

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
9:55 am

“hy not take the article further and remind everyone how productive this country was up until we barred 6 year olds from working in factories and started giving people the weekend off.”

yeah, well … considering the rapid erosion of worker benefits (vacation time AND sick time … remember those days??? now it’s just “personal days”), I think that’s what they’re pushing for.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:55 am

GT

My apologies.

I just reread your post and misinterpreted the pronoun “they.”

Seems you were slamming the slammers, correct?

Again, sorry -

getalife

April 26th, 2012
9:55 am

Paul,

Where is planet kolob?

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
9:56 am

Bottom line…. Romney could believe in the Easter Bunny and most working Americans would not give a good tinker’s damn if he could put America back to work and fix this damned economy.

Adam

April 26th, 2012
9:57 am

USinUK: Not to mention the idea that the country was more productive during such times is actually demonstrably FALSE, but whatever…. ;)

Paul

April 26th, 2012
9:58 am

getalife

My answer would be, it’s in one’s mind to give a glimmer of eternity contrasted to what we experience in this earthly sphere.

Lots try to make it a “ha ha” literal thing.

That’s like reading Revelation and thinking there’s oceans of melted sand (glass) in ‘heaven’ and that the end of the world is going to happen when four guys go for a ride on horseback.

Jm

April 26th, 2012
9:58 am

Bernanke smacked down krugman, the guy he hired at Princeton, today. Good job ben

In other news I helped out mitt again :)

nomoobama

April 26th, 2012
10:00 am

Those currently in or nearing college, are known as the ninja generation. Why? No Income, No Job. They would be smart to use there votes on a President who will actually create jobs and restore our capitalist system to generate wealth and free companies of rediculous regulations and restrictive taxes. Newsflash…the current administration does none of this. Its beyond time for change…

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:01 am

“USinUK: Not to mention the idea that the country was more productive during such times is actually demonstrably FALSE, but whatever…”

no computers … NO COMPUTERS!!!! how on earth did they get anything done???

Mick

April 26th, 2012
10:01 am

yaker

Is it really the presidents role to fix the economy and put americans back to work? You believe romney will do that? How do you “fix” the crashed real estate? You want gov’t out of our lives yet you want it to create jobs? I dunno…

getalife

April 26th, 2012
10:02 am

Paul,

So it is in con la la land?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 26th, 2012
10:03 am

Lots try to make it a “ha ha” literal thing.

Many of those “lots” are fervent believers.

JamVet

April 26th, 2012
10:03 am

Nah, 71.

I’m sure that exactly like that gutless coward, Georgia faux conservative, Lynn Westmoreland, you had no earthly idea that the word *uppity* in the Deep South had any historical racial connotations.

And you Yosemite Sammers vote for unabashed liars and closet bigots like that.

Speaking of dufus Georgia Republicans…

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

April 26th, 2012
10:04 am

“In other news I helped out mitt again :)

How? By showing how incredibly gullible you are in believing his guff?

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
10:04 am

“considering the rapid erosion of worker benefits (vacation time AND sick time … remember those days??? now it’s just “personal days”), ”

And yet…the huge corporation I work for just went BACK to Vacation Days and Sick Days. Had too much trouble with people hoarding days for just in case they got sick, and then all of them trying to take them at the end of the year so they wouldn’t lose them (we haven’t QUIET enlightened enough to let people carry them over)

JamVet

April 26th, 2012
10:05 am

Speaking of entrenched closet racists in the GOP, does anyone know how George Allen’s Virginia War on Macacas is going?

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:05 am

Adam

Lot of truth in that.

Then again, I knew a fellow, Baptist chaplain in the Air Force, was a major (I I understand correctly, that put him a few years away from a lifetime pension) who, as he told me “set out to prove Mormonism was wrong” and ended up converted. Lost his Baptist sponsorship which, he said, meant he was not longer a chaplain, which meant he had to resign from the service.

He was doing well professionally when I met him. But that must’ve been quite a time for him.

kayaker 71 – lot of truth in that.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:06 am

getalife

“Con lalaland?”

LOL!

I don’t think the LDS would want to claim that. Ask Harry Reid.

BTW – where is Jesus?

:-)

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

April 26th, 2012
10:06 am

“So it is in con la la land?”

Yep, and it has pearly gates and streets paved with gold…typical rich guy paradise… :roll:

getalife

April 26th, 2012
10:06 am

Watching Georgetown Catholics bash ryan on his plan to cut services.

Finally.

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
10:06 am

nomoobama, 10:00,

It seems so simple, yet many voters just don’t get it. Nearly 50% of college graduates in 2011 could not find a job. Yet many continue to vote for this abysmal failure that is running the show, based on some kind of nirvana society that is about a unrealistic as Bozo’s health care plan. Look, it’s tough out there and these young people are finding that out. Why do you think that Bozo spends as much time pandering to the youth in his University campaign speeches? He is losing them and he knows it. They re waking up. Wish the rest of America would do the same thing.

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:07 am

Doggone – we have carry-over, but you have to use them up in Q1 … so, you get the same “ohcrap! ohcrap! ohcrap!!! I have to use my days!!!” but it happens in March … which explains why I didn’t have to work a full week for a MONTH between using my days to make long weekends + Easter holiday :-)

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:08 am

“nomoobama”

oh, dammit.

now I have this in my head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60og9gwKh1o

Oscar

April 26th, 2012
10:08 am

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
10:06 am

___________

You are not a marine or you, or in the service at all.

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
10:08 am

They would be smart to use there votes on a President who will actually create jobs and restore our capitalist system to generate wealth and free companies of rediculous regulations and restrictive taxes.

I guess the fact that companies are sitting on record profits and the doubling of the stock market in 3 years doesn’t prove that the current president is as pro-capitalist as any conservative “thinks” they are, huh??? It’s far easier to believe the rhetoric spewed by carnival barkers posing as politicians and pundits nowadays.

:roll:

getalife

April 26th, 2012
10:09 am

“BTW – where is Jesus?”

I think he went back to Mexico because there are no jobs here.

willard’s Dad started a cult there in Mexico.

Mick

April 26th, 2012
10:10 am

yaker

When are you going to wake up? OK, we get that you don’t like obama, no problem, but to just pile up all the ills of america and tag them on this president just shows that your dislike has clouded any sense of logic. Besides, even if romney were to prevail, meet the new boss same as the old boss…

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
10:10 am

“Doggone – we have carry-over, but you have to use them up in Q1″

Yeah, we did too – when we COULD carry them over (different company, got swallowed up by this one) Last year I worked Oct – Nov – Dec and had EVERY Friday off!

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
10:10 am

kayaker: Nearly 50% of college graduates in 2011 could not find a job.

Well, take the advice that’s given out by conservatives here… Go out, start a business, and hire them if you want them to find a job.

Oscar

April 26th, 2012
10:10 am

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:05 am

_________

Joseph Smith and Muhammed both saw the same angel. but the angel told them different stories. Hard to tell who to trust anymore.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:12 am

Morning, JamVet

And I was in such a good mood until I read “Westmoreland”….

Cosby

April 26th, 2012
10:12 am

It is not the interest but why college / universities continue to raise tuition and fees with no check and blances. the greatest Ponzi Scheme going. also, if you make the money cheap, it encourages students to take it then have to work like hell to pay it back..remember the housing crises where the Federal government wanted ev eryone in a house even if they coulod not afford it…we are still digging out from that fiasco…all this cheap money to buy votes…shame shame ..those chickens will come home to roost…but that is the Obama way is it not..

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:12 am

“He is losing them and he knows it. ”

:lol:

we played this little game yesterday

he still has a 25% lead over Mittens with that age group.

like they’re REALLY going to vote GOP????

na. ga. happen.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:12 am

dang, getalife, you need a gig on one of those panels on MSNBC or Fox -

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
10:13 am

“kayaker: Nearly 50% of college graduates in 2011 could not find a job”

Cal grads more optimistic about job prospects
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=8628511

TaxPayer

April 26th, 2012
10:13 am

Has everyone prepared themselves for another day by first grabbing those bootstraps firmly. All together now. And PULL! The Republicans on here sound like they forgot that most important step and just went straight into whining about what Obama has not done to make each of their lives more perfect.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:14 am

Oscar

Yeah, well, like I said – whatever works for you in encouraging you to lead a good life and let others believe what they want to believe -

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 26th, 2012
10:15 am

.remember the housing crises where the Federal government wanted ev eryone in a house even if they coulod not afford it…

No, but I remember the housing crisis when private mortgage companies were writing new and refi mortgages faster than their laser printers could print them.

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:16 am

“Has everyone prepared themselves for another day by first grabbing those bootstraps firmly. All together now. And PULL! ”

I’d rather watch the GOP pull themselves up by their BVDs …

all together now … PULL!!!

Oscar

April 26th, 2012
10:17 am

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
10:13 am

______________

That 60 per cent can’t find a job sounds pretty suspect to me. (Note: suspect is a polict word for BS)

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:17 am

TaxPayer

And the credit for all this job loss, stagnation and bleak landscape goes to te last pres to wear cowboy boots, who was…..?

That answers the question “why do so many people need to pull on their bootstraps?”

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
10:17 am

One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory. Being lectured in a public venue by some upstart community organizer is no way to get your health care bill sustained or to overturn Arizona laws. This clown has a lot to learn but hopefully it’ll be in Chicago writing his memoirs.

getalife

April 26th, 2012
10:17 am

“dang, getalife, you need a gig on one of those panels on MSNBC or Fox -”

That would be fun but the cons would make threats.

Adam

April 26th, 2012
10:18 am

USinUK: no computers … NO COMPUTERS!!!! how on earth did they get anything done???

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kinda reminds me of the “how the heck did the Egyptians build the Pyramids without ____” arguments

Adam

April 26th, 2012
10:19 am

That would be fun but the cons would make threats.

They kind of do already, so what’s there to lose?

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
10:19 am

“One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory. Being lectured in a public venue by some upstart community organizer is no way to get your health care bill sustained or to overturn Arizona laws”

And if they let that influence their decision…which is SUPPOSED TO BE IMPARTIAL, then they should be removed from the court for dereliction of duty to the Constitution.

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
10:20 am

Paul – “So you can see why I’m a bit skeptical, from the tone and content of your comments, to separate you from that category.”

Don’t take my word for it, pick up a copy of the Doctrine and Covenants and read up on it for yourself. Also, In Primary, they specifically teach the history, philosphy and core beliefs of the Mormon faith. In addition, in case you missed my previous post, I lived at LDS ground central for over 25 years. I have many friends who served in the mission field, and I have studied the religion from both passive and participatory aspects. You still didn’t answer my question, you merely dismissed my knowledge and first had experience as nothing more than a casual observer, when clearly I have shown it to be otherwise.

Oscar

April 26th, 2012
10:21 am

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
10:17 am
_____

The fact that you accuse Roberts et al of having no interity of office and are willing to forsake their oath to uphold the constitution is duly noted.

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:21 am

“Kinda reminds me of the “how the heck did the Egyptians build the Pyramids without ____” arguments”

forget building the pyramids … researching a vacation!!! criminey, there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t want to kiss the Google guys (WITH TONGUE) for making my life easier!

They BOTH suck

April 26th, 2012
10:22 am

“One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory. ”

Well let’s all hope that Roberts makes rulings based on law not whether someone said something about him in public……….

If not, I’m sure ole Kayaker wouldn’t want an “activist” Judge making rulings on the SC, would he?

They BOTH suck

April 26th, 2012
10:23 am

Oscar

You beat me to it……….

What an amazing post that was……

strange to say the least

JamVet

April 26th, 2012
10:27 am

71, will never, ever , ever get it.

He blames Obama for the current economic apocalyptic landscape out there instead of the men who actually set off the fiscal hydrogen bombs and brought the nation’s economy to it’s knees.

But in his parallel universe, Dick Fuld, Phil Gramm, Hank Paulson, Frank Raines, Angelo Mozilo, Alan Greenspan, Chris Cox, Joe Cassano (Mr. Credit Default Swap himself), George W. Bush and Lloyd Blankfein, among dozens of others are as imaginary as Yosemite Sam.

Stay ignorant, my friends…

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
10:28 am

Oscar, 10:21,

Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?

They BOTH suck

April 26th, 2012
10:29 am

“Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?”

Then what exactly does his long term memory and being called out in public have to do with the rulings you mentioned?

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
10:31 am

“Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?”

Actually, you did. It’s sad when someone can’t even comprehend what they, themselves, wrote.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:31 am

Butch

I have a long history here of not invoking personal experience, jobs or anything as some kind of credibility test. I believe in arguments with supporting data.

That’s nice you lived amongst them at ground zero. Many sociologists lived for years amongst people of other cultures and wrote how little they understood.

You are aware a number of LDS scholars have written there is no such thing as a ‘Mormon Theology,” aren’t you? (You may want to do some reading at The Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research).

Or maybe you’d want to read an article or two by Nibley on the historicity of the temple in various cultures as it pertains to current LDS practices. You can find it at the Neil Maxwell Institute.

Or possibly you’d like to engage in a discussion of the ‘core’ belief of the Godhead after reading Ostler’s “The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions.”

I think that’s so much better to demonstrate an appreciation of the diversity of LDS thought than to say “I lived among them and talked with them a lot.” don’t you?

Peter

April 26th, 2012
10:31 am

Don’t the Murdock’’s own FOX News ?

Oscar

April 26th, 2012
10:31 am

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
10:28 am
Oscar, 10:21,

Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?

————

Tht was not an assumption. That was a deduction. Could also be called an interpretation of what your statement infered.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 26th, 2012
10:32 am

“One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory”

Kayaker 71

Are you suggesting that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
might base his opinions on his fee-fees?

Are you are suggesting/condoning judicial misconduct?

Oh, woe is you! Woe is you!

They BOTH suck

April 26th, 2012
10:33 am

Place your bets…….

Does he double or even triple down that the inference wasn’t an inference, does he ignore it totally or does he admit the inference?

kayaker 71

April 26th, 2012
10:33 am

AmVet, 10:27,

So, how long does it take before Bozo accepts responsibility for his failures? When does it become his and not someone else’s. responsibility, if ever? He has a gazillion excuses for not creating jobs, although the stimulus was supposed to create “2 million jobs”. We spent several hundred billion dollars of Chi Com money chasing a myth that spending yourself out of debt would work. And it hasn’t….. it never could have. It’s easier to blame others for your shortcomings than it is to take responsibility for your failures. When does it become his problem?

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
10:34 am

he and others like him have a long memory. Being lectured in a public venue by some upstart community organizer is no way to get your health care bill sustained or to overturn Arizona laws…..

Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution…

Doesn’t seem like you said that he WAS defending the Constitution either. Stroking one’s ego in a public setting has no bearing on the constitutionality of any given law. The fact that you associate ego stroking with upholding the constitutionality of a law does hint at a lack of integrity and/or defending the Constitution.

Maybe you should use the Home Depot™ method of posting… Read twice… submit once.

They BOTH suck

April 26th, 2012
10:36 am

All bets are closed at this time……….

I placed mine

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:36 am

USinUK

Going on holiday?

Where?

Butch

Don’t mean this to sound combative, altho I do get tired of the ‘guess what those Mormons believe now…” remarks that pop up here. My main point is, for anyone who’s done any indepth investigation in a faith, past the obligatory talking to authority figures and reading scriptural texts with or without a study guide putting forth a particular point of view, anyone who’s done that should, I think, come away with the realization of how little they understand, especially in a faith that’s intertwined with many different cultures throughout the world.

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
10:38 am

Butch
You can’t possibly learn
anything from experience.
Please just ask Paul .

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
10:38 am

Don’t the Murdock’’s own FOX News ?

No, you would be thinking about the Murdoch’s.

Murdoc was a guy that was always trying to kill MacGyver.
http://macgyver.wikia.com/wiki/Murdoc

Murdock was one of the best helo operators that graced the air over Vietnam….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._M._Murdock

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:38 am

Yes, the Murdochs own FOX … but I’m SURE they never did any of the shenanigans in the US that they’re accused of in the UK …

no. really.

:roll:

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:39 am

Paul –

just got back from Par-eeeeeee … I need to recover from that before I can think about another holiday …

but will definitely be making my annual pilgrimmage home in September (BROCEPHUS – you’d better not stand me up at the airport again!!)

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
10:40 am

Paul – ““I lived among them and talked with them a lot.” don’t you?”

And attended their churches, and their baptisms, and sat through countless hours seminary classes, and attended numerous farewell ceremonies, etc……

You still haven’t answered my question. How much actual time have you spent in Utah, at the Temple, attending the Mormon Church, growing up in a predominiately LDS society, dating LDS girls, etc…..? I would say I have a much more unique perspective on the church as a whole than what you referred to as ” People who don’t know”. Wouldn’t you agree?

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
10:40 am

Anyone remember
Bush v. Gore?

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:41 am

MSNBC Morning Joe this morning. Pres Carter speaking of how Gov Romney would make an acceptable president. Carter said he’s a Democrat and would prefer a Democrat, but to remember, as governor, Romney went straight down the middle and occasionally veered left. Also spoke of the changing positions thing and said, in effect, ‘what do you expect? He had to get past the rightwing Republicans to get the nomination. We’ll see more of what we’ve seen of the real Romney in the general election.”

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
10:41 am

(BROCEPHUS – you’d better not stand me up at the airport again!!)

dammit!!! we need a scared smilie…. :)

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 26th, 2012
10:42 am

Jay, on the topic of the UK and their slide into another recession, from your stable mate, Kyle:

Kyle Wingfield

April 25th, 2012
12:18 pm
getalife: The U.K. has increased spending each of the past four years. You read that right: Each. Of. The. Past. Four. Years. Check the EU’s official stats agency, Eurostat, if you don’t believe me. Britain lowered the “tycoon tax” this year after the tax increase last year didn’t bring in nearly the expected revenue. That is indeed a lesson for America. The U.K. may be slipping into recession, but it has nothing to do with the GOP economic plan because the U.K. didn’t follow it.

Oh, and before you bring up Ireland … from the same source: Dublin did in fact cut spending in 2011 by 27 percent — after it raised spending in 2010 by 33 percent. The net effect is that spending over the past two years combined was 15 percent higher than it would have been if it had been kept flat at 2009 levels.

The only country that has experienced true austerity is Greece. Spending has been cut sharply there — by 5.5 percent last year and 8.4 percent the year before. It’s biting the economy hard, for sure. But you may recall that the reason for the cuts is that Greece had increased spending by so much before 2009 — by 8.5 percent a year (!) on average between 2002 and 2009 — that it couldn’t keep up and had to be bailed out by the rest of the EU in order to make its debt payments. (On, and btw: Spending in 2011 was still higher than it was in 2007.)

So, if we’re going to talk about what’s happening here vs. there, let’s invite the facts to join us.

TaxPayer

April 26th, 2012
10:43 am

So, how long does it take before Bozo accepts responsibility for his failures?

President Obama was born the way he is and I think he’s already come to terms with that. Too bad you cannot do the same.

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
10:44 am

Paul

I see where Carter’s coming from, but I’d have to warn him that past performance is no indicator of the future. Romney went down the middle because he did not have a large group of far-righties to appease. That’s the difference between the state and federal level. He’s not gonna get off easy trying to avoid the far right.

Jm

April 26th, 2012
10:45 am

I will be an ” evil person” by liberal metrics on the Romney contribution reporting

Since I am in finance

Happy to help you guys stoke your anger at the evil “producers”

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
10:46 am

“to remember, as governor, Romney went straight down the middle and occasionally veered left. ”

because he has no spine and flops about like a sock monkey.

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
10:46 am

Bro – “He’s not gonna get off easy trying to avoid the far right.”

Personally, I think it’s a devious plot to discredit Romney. Seriously, that’s the worst endorsement he could get, Jimmy Carter saying” Hey, I like Mitt Romney, he’s just like a Democrat.” LOL :)

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:49 am

Butch

“You still haven’t answered my question. How much actual time have you spent”

How many different ways can I phrase this?

I don’t believe citing one’s experience should necessarily be used as a tool to say ‘my opinion’s more valid than yours.”

We see it here all the time with the military thing. So a guy served in a platoon in Vietnam. He may understand small unit tactics better than the average person. But high-level national security issues? A guy who never served but who served as permanent staff on the National Security Council just might -

What you’ve described to me is a ground-level view and understanding of LDS culture in Utah, which may not be the same as those who’ve had that same experience in California or Samoa. But as far as providing an appreciation of the implications of their beliefs at a higher level, that’s something else entirely. Which gets back to why I cited the articles from Nibley and Ostler. I’d imagine nearly all the people upon whom you base your knowledge would say “Nibley? Ummm… yeah…. wasn’t he an old guy who taught ancient studies at BYU? He wrote about second century Christian practices that died out as control became centralized? Really? Never read any of that.” And ‘Ostler who? What’s a.theogony? But I know the first two verses of “Book of Mormon stories!”

That’s my point..

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 26th, 2012
10:52 am

71, I did not list the names of those men for your benefit. There are others here who will read about those men.

Because there is no way in hell that you will make the first effort to educate yourself about them and what roles they played in the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism.

You and most of your fellow Republicans here would have to have more than a miniscule amount of intellectual curiosity to even look up who they are. And you don’t. Like George W. Bush, you already have all of the answers. And the input of others – especially those not in total agreement – is not valued.

If this were a classroom, you would get some really horrific grades. Because you are one amazingly lousy student.

Not only have you never done your home work, you’ve never even cracked open the first book…

I’ll even throw you a bone. Two of those men are in that list are in the government that you hate – Raines ran Fannie Mae (actually a part-private, part-public outfit, of course) and the ex-SEC chief Cox.

getalife

April 26th, 2012
10:53 am

The two things about Mormons I do not understand are planet kolob and the magic underwear.

Tundra Dude

April 26th, 2012
10:53 am

Jimmy Carter saying” Hey, I like Mitt Romney, he’s just like a Democrat.” LOL

Actually, he is. Just read McCain’s 2008 file on Romney, quite the eyeopener, imo.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:53 am

Brosephus

Yes, they are pretty influential and the far righties scream loudly and threaten when offended.

Heard the other day – MSNBC panel – what I took to be a mildly critical comment, that Romney does not have a core, philosophical view that drives him, like Pres Obama does. Went on to say he’s a problem solver, a fix-it guy. One of his senor guys related that after he was sworn in as governor he said ‘okay, really now… what are the state’s top problems? Which can we tackle, how long, how to succeed?”

That doesn’t sound all that bad to me.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:54 am

USinUK

I saw the Pareeeee thing on the foodie blog. I thought you were heading out again, you little globetrotter, you -

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
10:56 am

All the unemployed not
acquainted with Adam
Smith deserve to be
unemployed.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
10:57 am

GT

April 26th, 2012
11:01 am

Paul I was wondering, because what you are saying is right on the money. Christians have made a big issue of homosexuality, they have decided unscientifically it is the choice of the individual to be gay, which is where they hang their hat . As with Obama, I don’t mind them not voting for my man, I just hate hearing made up stuff as their reason when bigotry is the real motivation and to be honest isn’t politically incorrect, so lets make something up. Most of them are so uneducated thanks mainly to their own standards of public education they haven’t the capacity to tell the truth from a lie anyway. They justified slavery with Thornwell and Dabney and Ham the father of Canaan being cursed by God. These “intellectuals” called it the natural order. Seems Jesus has his own natural order, associating with prostitutes and low life, there was a message there somewhere lost to the modern right. Of course they pull out a Palin or a Cane to show off their new found inclusions, but, like Clarence Thomas, there is a thin depth to the few tokens they have to choose from.

Seems to me instead of worrying about another thinly populated group of sinners, the gay, more attention should be placed on divorced people which make up to 50% of the population, not counting the ones who just don’t get married. Once more this crowd of divorced sinners naturally populate itself every generation getting bigger and bigger in force, while gays do not reproduce. Now that group represents most of these haters, and I am sure they would have far more knowledge on that topic than the ones they chase. I think you fix the family unit and you have solved America’s problem, you do it by being Christian. You make a oath to God in the witness of the church and break it, then you want to talk about gays, or illegal immigrates or minorities like that caused the barn to burn down. It is almost comical, Jessie James pointing out jaywalkers. Get the log out of your eyes so you can see.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 26th, 2012
11:01 am

Butch
You can’t possibly learn
anything from experience.
Please just ask Paul .

That’s my take on their exchange, also.

Sounds kinda elitist, to me

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 26th, 2012
11:05 am

Here’s another bone for ya, 71.

After your favorite bogeymen Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Barack Obama (Not sure of the order though) we have……………………………………… the lowlife, cell-phone blabbing, big TV watching, Cadillac driving American consumers!

But NOT Republicans! Who ALL made good decisions!

Household debt in the U.S. — the money we owe as individuals — zoomed to more than 130% of income in 2007, up from about 60% in 1982. We enjoyed living beyond our means — no wonder we wanted to believe it would never end.

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
11:06 am

Kamchak
intellectualism ain’t all it’s
cracked up to be ’specially
when it’s psuedo

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
11:07 am

“the money we owe as individuals — zoomed to more than 130% of income in 2007, up from about 60% in 1982″

it was all the cadillac-driving-iPhone-chatting welfare queens … doncha know …

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
11:08 am

Paul – “I don’t believe citing one’s experience should necessarily be used as a tool to say ‘my opinion’s more valid than yours.”

Then I guess you’ve never interviewed for a job, been asked to speak at a seminar, been up for promotion in a corporation, run for office. All of the above have one thing in common. They require that the individual have EXPERIENCE.

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 26th, 2012
11:08 am

You know the neocons are desperate when you see Joel “Huge Money” Osteen saying that Romney is a Christian.

Is that the ultimate case of the cons singing to their own unbelieving choir?

But I’m so confused!!!

Oct. 08, 2011

WASHINGTON — Gov. Rick Perry got an enthusiastic response Friday to a speech at the Values Voter Summit from the conservative base voters he lays claim to, but he was overshadowed by the Dallas preacher who introduced him and who later told reporters that Perry’s rival Mitt Romney belongs to a cult and is not a Christian.

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:09 am

One of his senor guys related that after he was sworn in as governor he said ‘okay, really now… what are the state’s top problems? Which can we tackle, how long, how to succeed?”

Paul

That does sound good. The problem is that sounding good does not always equate to being good. Whether or not Romney would be good would depend on the advisors he chooses to surround himself with. There are a few far-righties in his advisory circle already, so I doubt he would escape the gravitational pull of the far right. I’m not saying that he would be a hard rightie, but he would be hard pressed to throw a bone or maybe a skeleton in that direction for the sake of appeasement.

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:09 am

Personally, I think it’s a devious plot to discredit Romney. Seriously, that’s the worst endorsement he could get, Jimmy Carter saying” Hey, I like Mitt Romney, he’s just like a Democrat.”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The dreaded “Liberal kiss of death”!!!!

Paul

April 26th, 2012
11:10 am

GT

I think what I’m reading there is “take care of doing good with your own life and your own family. When you stumble, get up and move on. And don’t point fingers at others and judge them.”

I’m fine with that.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 26th, 2012
11:10 am

barking frog

I’m not gonna go as far a knocking intellectualism, but reading articles by so and so is merely learning from someone else’s experience.

Don’t see a whole lot of difference.

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
11:12 am

Butch
POTUS requires no
experience.

getalife

April 26th, 2012
11:13 am

TBG,

I will not debate the word austerity with Kyle.

I will debate if it worked or not .

I claim it failed in England .

He claims they did not use real austerity.

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
11:14 am

barking frog – “POTUS requires no
experience.”

But it does require a great number of experienced Spinmasters. :)

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 26th, 2012
11:14 am

Ruh roh…

The southern Baptist cons don’t want no fake Christians trying to pervert them. What is it that the corporal calls them? Something about false teachings or denominations or something or other…

Is Mitt Romney Not Christian Enough for Liberty University?

The school founded by Jerry Falwell is downplaying backlash from supporters and students who say a Mormon shouldn’t be invited to speak during their graduation.

The problems Mitt Romney had in winning evangelicals from Rick Santorum have spilled over into the first days of the general election after backlash erupted because of a speech planned at Liberty University.

The school, founded by Jerry Falwell, recently announced Romney would deliver a commencement speech during May 12’s graduation. But Liberty University supporters reacted with hundreds of comments on its Facebook page decrying Romney’s selection as a betrayal because he is a Mormon. The school’s own courses teach that Mormonism contradicts Christian teachings.

carlosgvv

April 26th, 2012
11:14 am

kayaker 71 – 10:33

When the Tea Party came to power in the mid-term elections, wasn’t it Boehner who promised more jobs? Or, did you just forget that?

Doggone/GA

April 26th, 2012
11:14 am

“They require that the individual have EXPERIENCE.”

Try telling them that in “your experience” their business stinks, and see how far THAT gets you.

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

April 26th, 2012
11:14 am

getalife

April 26th, 2012
10:53 am

I can tell you about magic underwear….they’re called “Depends”… :lol:

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
11:14 am

getalife – “He claims they did not use real austerity.”

:shock:

are you effing KIDDING me???

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
11:15 am

Doggone/GA – “Try telling them that in “your experience” their business stinks, and see how far THAT gets you.”

Touche’ :)

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
11:16 am

Kamchak
Psuedointellectualism
abounds, intellectualism
not so much.

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
11:16 am

“wasn’t it Boehner who promised more jobs? Or, did you just forget that?”

Boehner definitely promised that Jobs would be their FIRST priority …

right after they tackled abortion … the pill … and basically anything to do with wimmen getting jiggy

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:17 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/insurers-are-spending-more-of-our-dollars-on-actual-health-care/2012/04/26/gIQAsyq1iT_blog.html#excerpt

One of the first health reform provisions to go into effect was a rule that insurers spend at least 80 percent of every premium dollar on medical costs, known in insurance jargon as the “medical loss ratio.” If health plans didn’t meet that target, they had to pay the difference back as a rebate.

Today, we have a first look at how this provision has affected the industry. Health insurance companies will pay $1.3 billion in rebates for 2011, according to a new analysis from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Some of the rebates are significant, especially in the individual market. There, about 31 percent of subscribers are expected to get some cash back, averaging out to about $127 per person. For large employer plans paying a rebate, the average amount is a lot smaller, just $14 per person. And the way it gets paid is trickier: The rebate goes to the purchaser of insurance (usually, the employer) who doesn’t always have to pass the savings on to employees.

What’s most interesting about the $1.3 billion figure though, is that there’s a smaller gap between what the government wants insurers to spend on medical care and what they actually spend than in previous years. A Senate report last year estimated that, had this new spending requirement been in place in 2010, it would have netted consumers about $2 billion in rebates.

That darned ACA… Making insurance companies spend money on medical care costs. How dare the government to force businesses to do things like that. :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 26th, 2012
11:17 am

He claims they did not use real austerity.

The no true Scotsman defense.

:roll:

Paul

April 26th, 2012
11:17 am

Butch Cassidy

And when you interview for the VP of Operations for Europe and you say “well, I worked at a branch office in Spain for five years so I know all about the company and it’s people…”

That’s what I’m hearing. Maybe you didn’t intend it that way, but that’s what came across.

Don’t mean this to be snarky at all, but thinking back, it does seem your comments were consistent with experience based upon geographically-limited contact and entry-level teachings.

I’ve found that faith tradition, and many others, to be much more rich and involved than they are often portrayed by those with a very basic level of understanding.

Generation$crewed

April 26th, 2012
11:18 am

getalife
April 26th, 2012
10:53 am

Obviously since Kolob is a star, not a planet. It is a star closest to the seat of God.

An exact location of it is not described, but there are many parables, such as a day there is a thousand days here on earth and such. Leading on to believe it is similar to Heaven and the throne of god.

Have you asked democrats, republicans or catholics, or our president where heaven is?

As far as your underwear question… Most if not all mormons would not refer to them as magical or special (just your attempt to make them look bad). They are used as a reminder between their covenant with god
Does ones religious views make them more or less capable to be president?

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:19 am

wasn’t it Boehner who promised more jobs?

Well, I don’t know about Spinmaster B, but J Roc did…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w

getalife

April 26th, 2012
11:20 am

“are you effing KIDDING me???”

Here is his argument:

“Kyle Wingfield

April 25th, 2012
12:18 pm
getalife: The U.K. has increased spending each of the past four years. You read that right: Each. Of. The. Past. Four. Years. Check the EU’s official stats agency, Eurostat, if you don’t believe me. Britain lowered the “tycoon tax” this year after the tax increase last year didn’t bring in nearly the expected revenue. That is indeed a lesson for America. The U.K. may be slipping into recession, but it has nothing to do with the GOP economic plan because the U.K. didn’t follow it.

Oh, and before you bring up Ireland … from the same source: Dublin did in fact cut spending in 2011 by 27 percent — after it raised spending in 2010 by 33 percent. The net effect is that spending over the past two years combined was 15 percent higher than it would have been if it had been kept flat at 2009 levels.

The only country that has experienced true austerity is Greece. Spending has been cut sharply there — by 5.5 percent last year and 8.4 percent the year before. It’s biting the economy hard, for sure. But you may recall that the reason for the cuts is that Greece had increased spending by so much before 2009 — by 8.5 percent a year (!) on average between 2002 and 2009 — that it couldn’t keep up and had to be bailed out by the rest of the EU in order to make its debt payments. (On, and btw: Spending in 2011 was still higher than it was in 2007.)

So, if we’re going to talk about what’s happening here vs. there, let’s invite the facts to join us.”

GT

April 26th, 2012
11:20 am

You know when they put you in that box and you are all by yourself, blaming Obama or gays or “Mexicans” stops right there. It is all about you, solo flying, lies not allowed. A man getting nailed on the cross is going to have a little difficulty with the stand your ground laws don’t you think?

getalife

April 26th, 2012
11:22 am

Generation$crewed ,

Is planet kolob in our galaxy and does the magic underwear give them the reason to have several wives?

JamVet - Stay ignorant, my friends...

April 26th, 2012
11:22 am

…wasn’t it Boehner who promised more jobs?

That was the Party of Liar’s campaign theme.

Eric Cantor Cites Job Creation as Key Issue for 2010 Midterm Elections

Basically he blathered on in neocon vagueness and puked up the same failed idiotic nonsense as always – eliminate all regulations and reduced taxes on businesses to zero.

EXACTLY what the job destroying GWB did eight years earlier and we know how well that worked out….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

April 26th, 2012
11:24 am

EXACTLY what the job destroying GWB did eight years earlier and we know how well that worked out….

Well, he did create a lot of jobs.

Just not in this country.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
11:27 am

Brosephus

I guess part of it is, I’m trying to tell myself it might not be as bad as it could be if he wins.

I’d hope he be reflective and say “give me a break. I give myself a tax cut, like that’s really going to create a ton of jobs…..”

JamVet

“The school founded by Jerry Falwell is downplaying backlash from supporters and students who say a Mormon shouldn’t be invited to speak during their graduation.”

So it’s “don’t challenge my thinking”

or…

“we don’t want people questioning all that stuff we’ve been telling them about how unChristian Romney is”

But that foreign policy team gives me the screaming willies –

USinUK

“right after they tackled abortion … the pill … and basically anything to do with wimmen getting jiggy”

So THAT’S Boehner’s and Republicans’ problem: women are getting jiggy, not jiggly?

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:28 am

Wow, I’m surprised Jay didn’t seize this opportunity to bash Gov. Deal over the head with this one here…

Gov. Nathan Deal on Friday tapped Toby Carr, his transportation adviser and director of his transition committee, to become the all-important director of planning at the Georgia Department of Transportation.

If approved by the state House and Senate Transportation Committees, the Decatur resident — who, unlike his predecessor Todd Long, appears to have no formal training in transportation issues — will play a key role in deciding how $2 billion in gas tax revenues would be allocated on Georgia road projects.

Carr previously acted as Deal’s liaison to the Georgia House of Representatives and as an aide to Georgia House Majority Whip Jan jones under the Gold Dome. In addition, Carr was the former executive director of the Georgia Republican Party and a political consultant. According to Carr’s Linkedin profile, he also worked in sales at a flooring company and owned a construction management and consulting firm “with a primary focus on residential and light commercial flooring.” He graduated from the University of Georgia in 2001 with a degree in finance and agricultural engineering.

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2012/04/25/deal-appoints-former-aide-to-important-gdot-post

barking frog

April 26th, 2012
11:28 am

getalife
As POTUS, and the heads
of the Mormon church
asked their followers to
drink Kool Aid, would he
drink ? That is the question.

Butch Cassidy

April 26th, 2012
11:29 am

getalife – “Is planet kolob in our galaxy”

Actually no, it is located in another galaxy far away. As I recall it is at the end of a long, black expanse of space devoid of any light or stars. However, once you reach the planet, it will give you the information regarding what became of the 13th tribe and instruct you on how to reach Earth. Oh wait, that was Battlestar Galactica and the Planet Kobol. However, BG was written by Glen Larsen, A devout Mormon. Who knows, could be true. ;)

Playa Playa

April 26th, 2012
11:29 am

I just saw something bouncing down the hallway, oh, that’s Newt’s(aka boss hogg) last check that he wrote, fiscal responsibility………………………the reagan conservative…………….lol

USinUK

April 26th, 2012
11:30 am

“The only country that has experienced true austerity is Greece”

I am agog.

simply agog.

I hope someone pointed out to him how well THAT is working out …

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:31 am

Paul

Romney doesn’t bother me too much, not even with his flip-flopping. In that aspect, he reminds me of Obama trying to appease the GOP. They both act like an old dog rolling over for attention trying to get someone to rub their belly. The thing that scares me about Romney is the people around him who will be the ones feeding him advice while he’s flopping around. That was the same thing that bothered me about both Obama and McCain.

Paul

April 26th, 2012
11:34 am

Butch Cassidy

Finally, we have common ground.

Where’s Bosch? We could have a party!

http://tinyurl.com/7gk8kr4

Paul

April 26th, 2012
11:36 am

Brosephus

I’ve thought if I ever met him, like I have other political figures, I’d just say “Governor, your foreign policy team and a few on your economic team are dealbreakers for some of us.”

Jay

April 26th, 2012
11:36 am

Patience, Bro, patience.

And sheets.

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:42 am

Jay

My bad… :oops:

My concern over state and local BS tends to trump national BS.

Jay

April 26th, 2012
11:46 am

Bro, I’ll have that for you tomorrow….

GT

April 26th, 2012
11:48 am

Conservative Party leader David Cameron took Bush’s game plan and endorsed it. Even after seeing planes flying into the economy he stayed the course of cut, cut ,cut. Bank robbers in England were seeing the day they would cut the police force enough the banks would be sitting ducks on a pond. In austere times the misery of the masses is the pleasure of the crooks, in or out of office.

Now the blind who couldn’t see the results of the Bush economy, or Nile Gardiner, director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the conservative Heritage Foundation who said in 2010 said on Murdoch’s Fox News,“The Obama administration is showing no appetite whatsoever to do what the British are doing,” may now have a clue of why. I doubt it, what keeps these people in office is the stupidity of their constituency. To admit the obvious may educate and education is their enemy. As we are seeing in this Murdoch hearing, it is all about power of a few, the rest of them can eat cake. A very English idea.

Brosephus™

April 26th, 2012
11:49 am

Ok… I’ll make sure to tune in for that one. After hearing about that, my view on the T-SPLOST is trending heavily to the negative.

Mad Max

April 26th, 2012
12:01 pm

USink – how well was Greece doing when it was spending itself into this mess? Oh everyone was happy as long as you didn’t try and balance the books. A bunch of ostriches on the titanic is probably the best description for them. Why doesn’t Greece just tax their rich people more and make them pay their fair share? Maybe there just aren’t enough rich Greeks?

GT

April 26th, 2012
12:21 pm

You can’t run a country club without someone paying the dues. When you ask non members to pay for the ride of the rich you got a problem.

GT

April 26th, 2012
12:27 pm

And that is the purpose of the Republican Party, double whammy to the poor, had to make a majority of the GOP’s day.

The Republicans killed the Hope. If you look closely at the budget you will see what really killed the Hope, or keeps the tire fund from collecting old tires on the highway, is an agenda not written into the law when it was passed. The Republicans dip into the money earmarked for other non right purposes like education and environment and in doing so promote their cause by diversion and deprivation.

ld

April 26th, 2012
4:28 pm

Jay

Thanks for info on the Meego bar–that was getting very annoying.

ld

April 26th, 2012
4:32 pm

Bro has an excellent point about advisers. Whether Obama or Romney is in the oval office in 2013, they need to get rid of those that have been around and helped create the current problems–especially the economic ones.

Either Bush and Obama are both astoundingly stupid or they are too gullible and trusting of people who are incompentant and/or have a personal agenda that is NOT the best interest of this nation.