Romney, Obama fighting for the young vote

“One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory”

Kayaker 71

Are you suggesting that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
might base his opinions on his fee-fees?

Are you are suggesting/condoning judicial misconduct?

Oh, woe is you! Woe is you!

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AmVet, 10:27,

So, how long does it take before Bozo accepts responsibility for his failures? When does it become his and not someone else’s. responsibility, if ever? He has a gazillion excuses for not creating jobs, although the stimulus was supposed to create “2 million jobs”. We spent several hundred billion dollars of Chi Com money chasing a myth that spending yourself out of debt would work. And it hasn’t….. it never could have. It’s easier to blame others for your shortcomings than it is to take responsibility for your failures. When does it become his problem?

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All bets are closed at this time……….

I placed mine

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Butch
You can’t possibly learn
anything from experience.
Please just ask Paul .

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Yes, the Murdochs own FOX … but I’m SURE they never did any of the shenanigans in the US that they’re accused of in the UK …

no. really.

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Paul – ““I lived among them and talked with them a lot.” don’t you?”

And attended their churches, and their baptisms, and sat through countless hours seminary classes, and attended numerous farewell ceremonies, etc……

You still haven’t answered my question. How much actual time have you spent in Utah, at the Temple, attending the Mormon Church, growing up in a predominiately LDS society, dating LDS girls, etc…..? I would say I have a much more unique perspective on the church as a whole than what you referred to as ” People who don’t know”. Wouldn’t you agree?

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MSNBC Morning Joe this morning. Pres Carter speaking of how Gov Romney would make an acceptable president. Carter said he’s a Democrat and would prefer a Democrat, but to remember, as governor, Romney went straight down the middle and occasionally veered left. Also spoke of the changing positions thing and said, in effect, ‘what do you expect? He had to get past the rightwing Republicans to get the nomination. We’ll see more of what we’ve seen of the real Romney in the general election.”

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Jay, on the topic of the UK and their slide into another recession, from your stable mate, Kyle:

Kyle Wingfield

April 25th, 2012
12:18 pm
getalife: The U.K. has increased spending each of the past four years. You read that right: Each. Of. The. Past. Four. Years. Check the EU’s official stats agency, Eurostat, if you don’t believe me. Britain lowered the “tycoon tax” this year after the tax increase last year didn’t bring in nearly the expected revenue. That is indeed a lesson for America. The U.K. may be slipping into recession, but it has nothing to do with the GOP economic plan because the U.K. didn’t follow it.

Oh, and before you bring up Ireland … from the same source: Dublin did in fact cut spending in 2011 by 27 percent — after it raised spending in 2010 by 33 percent. The net effect is that spending over the past two years combined was 15 percent higher than it would have been if it had been kept flat at 2009 levels.

The only country that has experienced true austerity is Greece. Spending has been cut sharply there — by 5.5 percent last year and 8.4 percent the year before. It’s biting the economy hard, for sure. But you may recall that the reason for the cuts is that Greece had increased spending by so much before 2009 — by 8.5 percent a year (!) on average between 2002 and 2009 — that it couldn’t keep up and had to be bailed out by the rest of the EU in order to make its debt payments. (On, and btw: Spending in 2011 was still higher than it was in 2007.)

So, if we’re going to talk about what’s happening here vs. there, let’s invite the facts to join us.

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Paul

I see where Carter’s coming from, but I’d have to warn him that past performance is no indicator of the future. Romney went down the middle because he did not have a large group of far-righties to appease. That’s the difference between the state and federal level. He’s not gonna get off easy trying to avoid the far right.

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“to remember, as governor, Romney went straight down the middle and occasionally veered left. ”

because he has no spine and flops about like a sock monkey.

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Butch

“You still haven’t answered my question. How much actual time have you spent”

How many different ways can I phrase this?

I don’t believe citing one’s experience should necessarily be used as a tool to say ‘my opinion’s more valid than yours.”

We see it here all the time with the military thing. So a guy served in a platoon in Vietnam. He may understand small unit tactics better than the average person. But high-level national security issues? A guy who never served but who served as permanent staff on the National Security Council just might -

What you’ve described to me is a ground-level view and understanding of LDS culture in Utah, which may not be the same as those who’ve had that same experience in California or Samoa. But as far as providing an appreciation of the implications of their beliefs at a higher level, that’s something else entirely. Which gets back to why I cited the articles from Nibley and Ostler. I’d imagine nearly all the people upon whom you base your knowledge would say “Nibley? Ummm… yeah…. wasn’t he an old guy who taught ancient studies at BYU? He wrote about second century Christian practices that died out as control became centralized? Really? Never read any of that.” And ‘Ostler who? What’s a.theogony? But I know the first two verses of “Book of Mormon stories!”

That’s my point..

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The two things about Mormons I do not understand are planet kolob and the magic underwear.

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Brosephus

Yes, they are pretty influential and the far righties scream loudly and threaten when offended.

Heard the other day – MSNBC panel – what I took to be a mildly critical comment, that Romney does not have a core, philosophical view that drives him, like Pres Obama does. Went on to say he’s a problem solver, a fix-it guy. One of his senor guys related that after he was sworn in as governor he said ‘okay, really now… what are the state’s top problems? Which can we tackle, how long, how to succeed?”

That doesn’t sound all that bad to me.

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All the unemployed not
acquainted with Adam
Smith deserve to be
unemployed.

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Paul I was wondering, because what you are saying is right on the money. Christians have made a big issue of homosexuality, they have decided unscientifically it is the choice of the individual to be gay, which is where they hang their hat . As with Obama, I don’t mind them not voting for my man, I just hate hearing made up stuff as their reason when bigotry is the real motivation and to be honest isn’t politically incorrect, so lets make something up. Most of them are so uneducated thanks mainly to their own standards of public education they haven’t the capacity to tell the truth from a lie anyway. They justified slavery with Thornwell and Dabney and Ham the father of Canaan being cursed by God. These “intellectuals” called it the natural order. Seems Jesus has his own natural order, associating with prostitutes and low life, there was a message there somewhere lost to the modern right. Of course they pull out a Palin or a Cane to show off their new found inclusions, but, like Clarence Thomas, there is a thin depth to the few tokens they have to choose from.

Seems to me instead of worrying about another thinly populated group of sinners, the gay, more attention should be placed on divorced people which make up to 50% of the population, not counting the ones who just don’t get married. Once more this crowd of divorced sinners naturally populate itself every generation getting bigger and bigger in force, while gays do not reproduce. Now that group represents most of these haters, and I am sure they would have far more knowledge on that topic than the ones they chase. I think you fix the family unit and you have solved America’s problem, you do it by being Christian. You make a oath to God in the witness of the church and break it, then you want to talk about gays, or illegal immigrates or minorities like that caused the barn to burn down. It is almost comical, Jessie James pointing out jaywalkers. Get the log out of your eyes so you can see.

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Here’s another bone for ya, 71.

After your favorite bogeymen Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Barack Obama (Not sure of the order though) we have……………………………………… the lowlife, cell-phone blabbing, big TV watching, Cadillac driving American consumers!

But NOT Republicans! Who ALL made good decisions!

Household debt in the U.S. — the money we owe as individuals — zoomed to more than 130% of income in 2007, up from about 60% in 1982. We enjoyed living beyond our means — no wonder we wanted to believe it would never end.

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“the money we owe as individuals — zoomed to more than 130% of income in 2007, up from about 60% in 1982″

it was all the cadillac-driving-iPhone-chatting welfare queens … doncha know …

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You know the neocons are desperate when you see Joel “Huge Money” Osteen saying that Romney is a Christian.

Is that the ultimate case of the cons singing to their own unbelieving choir?

But I’m so confused!!!

Oct. 08, 2011

WASHINGTON — Gov. Rick Perry got an enthusiastic response Friday to a speech at the Values Voter Summit from the conservative base voters he lays claim to, but he was overshadowed by the Dallas preacher who introduced him and who later told reporters that Perry’s rival Mitt Romney belongs to a cult and is not a Christian.

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Personally, I think it’s a devious plot to discredit Romney. Seriously, that’s the worst endorsement he could get, Jimmy Carter saying” Hey, I like Mitt Romney, he’s just like a Democrat.”

The dreaded “Liberal kiss of death”!!!!

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barking frog

I’m not gonna go as far a knocking intellectualism, but reading articles by so and so is merely learning from someone else’s experience.

Don’t see a whole lot of difference.

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TBG,

I will not debate the word austerity with Kyle.

I will debate if it worked or not .

I claim it failed in England .

He claims they did not use real austerity.

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Ruh roh…

The southern Baptist cons don’t want no fake Christians trying to pervert them. What is it that the corporal calls them? Something about false teachings or denominations or something or other…

Is Mitt Romney Not Christian Enough for Liberty University?

The school, founded by Jerry Falwell, recently announced Romney would deliver a commencement speech during May 12’s graduation. But Liberty University supporters reacted with hundreds of comments on its Facebook page decrying Romney’s selection as a betrayal because he is a Mormon. The school’s own courses teach that Mormonism contradicts Christian teachings.

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“They require that the individual have EXPERIENCE.”

Try telling them that in “your experience” their business stinks, and see how far THAT gets you.

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getalife – “He claims they did not use real austerity.”

are you effing KIDDING me???

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Kamchak
Psuedointellectualism
abounds, intellectualism
not so much.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/insurers-are-spending-more-of-our-dollars-on-actual-health-care/2012/04/26/gIQAsyq1iT_blog.html#excerpt

One of the first health reform provisions to go into effect was a rule that insurers spend at least 80 percent of every premium dollar on medical costs, known in insurance jargon as the “medical loss ratio.” If health plans didn’t meet that target, they had to pay the difference back as a rebate.

What’s most interesting about the $1.3 billion figure though, is that there’s a smaller gap between what the government wants insurers to spend on medical care and what they actually spend than in previous years. A Senate report last year estimated that, had this new spending requirement been in place in 2010, it would have netted consumers about $2 billion in rebates.

That darned ACA… Making insurance companies spend money on medical care costs. How dare the government to force businesses to do things like that.

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Butch Cassidy

And when you interview for the VP of Operations for Europe and you say “well, I worked at a branch office in Spain for five years so I know all about the company and it’s people…”

That’s what I’m hearing. Maybe you didn’t intend it that way, but that’s what came across.

Don’t mean this to be snarky at all, but thinking back, it does seem your comments were consistent with experience based upon geographically-limited contact and entry-level teachings.

I’ve found that faith tradition, and many others, to be much more rich and involved than they are often portrayed by those with a very basic level of understanding.

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wasn’t it Boehner who promised more jobs?

Well, I don’t know about Spinmaster B, but J Roc did…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w

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You know when they put you in that box and you are all by yourself, blaming Obama or gays or “Mexicans” stops right there. It is all about you, solo flying, lies not allowed. A man getting nailed on the cross is going to have a little difficulty with the stand your ground laws don’t you think?

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…wasn’t it Boehner who promised more jobs?

That was the Party of Liar’s campaign theme.

Eric Cantor Cites Job Creation as Key Issue for 2010 Midterm Elections

Basically he blathered on in neocon vagueness and puked up the same failed idiotic nonsense as always – eliminate all regulations and reduced taxes on businesses to zero.

EXACTLY what the job destroying GWB did eight years earlier and we know how well that worked out….

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Brosephus

I guess part of it is, I’m trying to tell myself it might not be as bad as it could be if he wins.

I’d hope he be reflective and say “give me a break. I give myself a tax cut, like that’s really going to create a ton of jobs…..”

JamVet

“The school founded by Jerry Falwell is downplaying backlash from supporters and students who say a Mormon shouldn’t be invited to speak during their graduation.”

So it’s “don’t challenge my thinking”

or…

“we don’t want people questioning all that stuff we’ve been telling them about how unChristian Romney is”

But that foreign policy team gives me the screaming willies –

USinUK

“right after they tackled abortion … the pill … and basically anything to do with wimmen getting jiggy”

So THAT’S Boehner’s and Republicans’ problem: women are getting jiggy, not jiggly?

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getalife
As POTUS, and the heads
of the Mormon church
asked their followers to
drink Kool Aid, would he
drink ? That is the question.

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I just saw something bouncing down the hallway, oh, that’s Newt’s(aka boss hogg) last check that he wrote, fiscal responsibility………………………the reagan conservative…………….lol

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Paul

Romney doesn’t bother me too much, not even with his flip-flopping. In that aspect, he reminds me of Obama trying to appease the GOP. They both act like an old dog rolling over for attention trying to get someone to rub their belly. The thing that scares me about Romney is the people around him who will be the ones feeding him advice while he’s flopping around. That was the same thing that bothered me about both Obama and McCain.

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Brosephus

I’ve thought if I ever met him, like I have other political figures, I’d just say “Governor, your foreign policy team and a few on your economic team are dealbreakers for some of us.”

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Jay

My bad…

My concern over state and local BS tends to trump national BS.

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Conservative Party leader David Cameron took Bush’s game plan and endorsed it. Even after seeing planes flying into the economy he stayed the course of cut, cut ,cut. Bank robbers in England were seeing the day they would cut the police force enough the banks would be sitting ducks on a pond. In austere times the misery of the masses is the pleasure of the crooks, in or out of office.

Now the blind who couldn’t see the results of the Bush economy, or Nile Gardiner, director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the conservative Heritage Foundation who said in 2010 said on Murdoch’s Fox News,“The Obama administration is showing no appetite whatsoever to do what the British are doing,” may now have a clue of why. I doubt it, what keeps these people in office is the stupidity of their constituency. To admit the obvious may educate and education is their enemy. As we are seeing in this Murdoch hearing, it is all about power of a few, the rest of them can eat cake. A very English idea.

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USink – how well was Greece doing when it was spending itself into this mess? Oh everyone was happy as long as you didn’t try and balance the books. A bunch of ostriches on the titanic is probably the best description for them. Why doesn’t Greece just tax their rich people more and make them pay their fair share? Maybe there just aren’t enough rich Greeks?

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And that is the purpose of the Republican Party, double whammy to the poor, had to make a majority of the GOP’s day.

The Republicans killed the Hope. If you look closely at the budget you will see what really killed the Hope, or keeps the tire fund from collecting old tires on the highway, is an agenda not written into the law when it was passed. The Republicans dip into the money earmarked for other non right purposes like education and environment and in doing so promote their cause by diversion and deprivation.

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Bro has an excellent point about advisers. Whether Obama or Romney is in the oval office in 2013, they need to get rid of those that have been around and helped create the current problems–especially the economic ones.

Either Bush and Obama are both astoundingly stupid or they are too gullible and trusting of people who are incompentant and/or have a personal agenda that is NOT the best interest of this nation.

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