Romney, Obama fighting for the young vote
One of the battlegrounds of the 2012 presidential campaign will be younger voters, as the Associated Press reports:
WASHINGTON — Once thought to be solidly behind President Barack Obama, younger voters burdened by a bleak employment picture, high gas prices and student loan debt are being aggressively wooed by the Democrat and his likely Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.
In 2008, Obama had a 34-point advantage over Republican Sen. John McCain among voters under age 30. He won about two-thirds of the vote in that age group.
But a new Harvard poll suggests the president may face a harder sales job with younger voters this time around. Obama led Romney by 12 points among those ages 18-24, according to the survey. Among those in the 25-29 age group, Obama held a 23-point advantage.
To keep that advantage among young voters, Obama is campaigning to keep interest rates on student loans at their current level. Unless Congress takes action by July, those rates are scheduled to double from 3.4 percent to 6.8 percent. According to Obama, “that’s basically a $1,000 tax hike for more than 7 million students across America.”
However, the House Republican budget makes no provision for such a change, which puts Romney in a bit of a pickle. Should he side with House Republicans, or should he side with college students and recent college graduates? On Monday, he made his choice.
“Particularly with the number of college graduates that can’t find work or that can only find work well beneath their skill level, I fully support the effort to extend the low interest rate on student loans,” Romney told reporters.
Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him, at least on this issue. Maybe the strategy will work; maybe it won’t. But I suspect it would work at least a little bit better if Romney could also pull off something like this:
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USMC who criticized Obama on Facebook: I wish I could take it back
April 26th, 2012
9:04 am
Sgt. Gary Stein, the 26-year-old Marine who learned Wednesday he would be discharged for his online comments criticizing President Barack Obama, wishes he could take it back.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/25/11396769-marine-who-criticized-obama-on-facebook-i-wish-i-could-take-it-back?lite
GT
April 26th, 2012
9:04 am
Nothing about Romney says young voters. The only attractive candidate the Republicans had for the youth was Paul who is diametrically opposite of Romney. Now if you are a rich young person I advise you to vote for Romney to protect your position, because being born into wealth is about the only way the Romney administration is going to help any young person. I not even sure the Republican Party believes in education more less wants to pay for it. Obama came thought a system that helped him get a Harvard education, and become president of the United States, a black man. Romney came from wealth and thinks he hit a triple, how can the truth be any more plain. Who would a young person most like to emulate or want to in this group, the lucky sperm club Romney or the pioneer that made it to the promise land Obama. It ain’t rocket science here but money can distort a lot of communication and truth.
Adam
April 26th, 2012
9:05 am
Further, Bruno, Romney is the ultimate BSer. He hasn’t had a single policy position that has been consistent, because he is changing his positions to be whatever he thinks people want to hear. He’s not interested in governing, he’s only interested in winning. He comes off as someone who just wants “President of the United States” on his resume.
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
9:05 am
“hey, I wonder if Romney’s religion will do the “christian” thing
and pray the muslins into heaven”
Nah, they’ll wait until they die and then baptize them afterwards.
barking frog
April 26th, 2012
9:05 am
Butch
good answer.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
9:09 am
usmc
Sorry, no do overs, this is reality not a child’s game…
Butch Cassidy
April 26th, 2012
9:09 am
Adam – “He comes off as someone who just wants “President of the United States” on his resume.”
Don’t be so hard Romney. Afterall, he’s “unemployed” and it’s a tough job market out there. Every little bit helps.
MiltonMan
April 26th, 2012
9:10 am
“Now, all you low-life working class Georgia Crackers need to bow down at my feet and congragulate me…I probably have more money than you and have a better looking family and since I’m half Jewish, God loves me more…:-)…”
We will “congragulate” you when you learn to spell.
JamVet
April 26th, 2012
9:10 am
I find it more than a little interesting that Newsmax is predictably and desperately trying to promote the party line that Republicans will now dutifully fall in line behind the Uppity Mormon RINO.
Too funny…
269 more days
April 26th, 2012
9:10 am
Good morning fellow voters. hope you all have a womderful, blessed day
Mighty Righty
April 26th, 2012
9:11 am
http://thechairmansblog.gallup.com/2012/04/whats-really-standing-in-way-of-job.html#.T5VgqNa9mYU.email
For those of you who can handle the truth, you will find the above link intellectualy stimulating. It is a common sense analysis on the subject of job creation. It is apolitcal.
JamVet
April 26th, 2012
9:13 am
Mick, obviously there are plenty of dumbass (now) ex-marines out there!
What a dipstick – killing his own military career because he has no self-discipline…
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
9:16 am
“What a dipstick – killing his own military career because he has no self-discipline”
Yeah, well…that kind of idiot is everywhere. I used to work in a building with 35 floors and some jerk got fired because he got caught getting on the elevator, punching every floor, and then getting off.
Butch Cassidy
April 26th, 2012
9:17 am
Mighty Righty – “For those of you who can handle the truth, you will find the above link intellectualy stimulating. It is a common sense analysis on the subject of job creation. It is apolitcal.”
Interesting read. Freely translated: Don’t impose regulations until everyone gets back to work. Once we have full employment, we will gladly and willingly accept your rules and regulations. How could anyone possibly doubt them?
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
9:19 am
“How could anyone possibly doubt them?”
I’m sure they would HAPPILY accept regulations … NO WAY would they say “see how high unemployment was before??? but then you got rid of regulations and JUST LOOK at all the people we hired!!! would be a shame if we had to fire them all”
teh stoopid is strong with that one …
GT
April 26th, 2012
9:20 am
Who will be the VP candidates?
Butch Cassidy
April 26th, 2012
9:21 am
US – “teh stoopid is strong with that one …”
Exactly. Why not take the article further and remind everyone how productive this country was up until we barred 6 year olds from working in factories and started giving people the weekend off.
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
9:22 am
“Who will be the VP candidates?”
No one. VP’s don’t run for office. They ride the coattails of the Presidential candidate.
St Simons - codewords are the new black
April 26th, 2012
9:23 am
well, mr smart guy butch, what good is THAT? after they’re de-ad?
MY tribe’s prayer to da Great Spirit of the extension cord will get you
in immediately. Call the casino! Supplies are limited!
And if you ACT NOW, we’ll throw in the 72 virgins for freeeee.
All the way to Planet Kolob. Yes sir-eebob.
(ir)Rational
April 26th, 2012
9:27 am
I can’t figure out if the whole getting 72 virgins in heaven is supposed to be a prize or a punishment.
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
9:28 am
jamVet, 9:10,
“The Uppity Mormon RINO”? I think that the Uppity Muslim Socialist that we have is more appropriate. And will we rally around him at the election? We would rally around Yosimite Sam if he could defeat that colossal failure that we have occupying Government Housing. When the Arizona Law is upheld and the Supremes strike down Bozo care, he will never survive.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:28 am
I find many of the comments ridiculing Romney’s faith a lot like climate change deniers. They repeat the same things, they don’t understand what they’re talking about, they lift it from sites with an anti-bias and the message is “I’m so smart…. cause I don’t believe all that dumb stuff.”
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
9:29 am
“I can’t figure out if the whole getting 72 virgins in heaven is supposed to be a prize or a punishment”
Yeah, well…I guess the guy who said he’d rather have 72 sluts who know what they’re doing would consider it a punishment!
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
9:30 am
“I can’t figure out if the whole getting 72 virgins in heaven is supposed to be a prize or a punishment”
Yeah, well…I guess the guy who said he’d rather have 72 sluts who know what they’re doing would consider it a punishment!
hmmmm
April 26th, 2012
9:30 am
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:31 am
(ir)Rational
I’m guessing it’s a reward – for the women.
Only 1/72nd of their time is spent with an idiot.
(ir)Rational
April 26th, 2012
9:33 am
Doggone – I was just thinking about spending eternity with 72 women. I have a hard enough time keeping just one happy, I can’t imagine 72. And then there is the possibility of 72 sets of “in-laws.” Makes me shudder just thinking about it.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:34 am
hmmmmmmmm
So did he shoot the pit bull?
Or did the owner, realizing someone might just take final action on his irresponsibility, finally wise up?
Butch Cassidy
April 26th, 2012
9:34 am
Paul – “they don’t understand what they’re talking about,”
Sorry Chief, I do understand what I’m talking about. I grew up in Brigham City ,UT about 50 miles north of Salt Lake City. I have at least 8 copies of the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price given to me by various girlfriends from high school through college. In grade school I attended primary classes with my friends, and in high school I sang with the choir at numerous Mormon Wards, Stakehouses and even performed at the Los Angeles temple in 1985. I even know about the secret Temple ceremonies that are performed when a husband and wife are sealed for all eternity.
Now, how much do YOU know about the church?
(ir)Rational
April 26th, 2012
9:37 am
Paul – Yeah, but do you know of 72 women that could get along in a group. They would split into clics and everyone would be in trouble.
JamVet
April 26th, 2012
9:37 am
71, you would rally around
Yosimite SamJames Earl Ray, if he were still alive…GT
April 26th, 2012
9:39 am
Paul these people don’t even know the Christian faith, more less Romney’s. It is like pop art to them, whatever hits the mood. They read the Constitution the same way, if they can read. It is all about them.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:44 am
Butch Cassidy
So you associated with LDS for years. Lots of people associate with Catholics or Episcopalians for years, might have a Bible or a Book of Common Prayer, go to vacation bible school and still not have the ability to go into detail about the Nicene Creed or Trinity.
Your comments indicate you haven’t a clue (or if you do, you’re just piling on) about that faith’s distinction between what they call “Mormon folklore” and doctrine, the musings of people that others mistake for official positions, and the difference between imagery and literalism in their texts.
Matter of fact, it’s pretty common, regardless of one’s faith, to attend services and do superficial readings for decades and still haven’t a clue about the real meanings of their faith, aside from the type of superficial responses I read here.
You might consider relating something from the writings of Dr. Hugh Nibley or Blake Ostler. You know all about them and how their remarks relate to your comments without doing a Google search, right?
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
9:44 am
“Uppity Muslim Socialist….”
I believe it was me who said the Muslim card was coming back………..
Can I get a bither to please stand up?
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:46 am
(Ir)Rational
All I can say is…. whatever floats their boat and motivates them to live a good life. That’s why I sometimes think there are so many different expressions and interpretations of God. Hey, if it works for them and doesn’t hurt anyone, I’m fine with it.
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
9:49 am
“Can I get a bither to please stand up”
Well…there’s always that Sheriff in AZ
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:50 am
Butch
Let me put it this way. I’ve had hours of discussions with lifelong LDS and found a fair number of them unable to go into any depth on their faith. As one guy I spoke with last week led off “we send tens of thousands of young men and women out into the world and they, with all good intentions, teach all manner of false doctrine…”
So you can see why I’m a bit skeptical, from the tone and content of your comments, to separate you from that category.
Of course, you could always lay off the ridicule and, references about Gov Romney’s faith and post stuff about his religion that’s actually relevant to his campaign for government service……
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
9:52 am
Well, the Mormons are at least mostly loyal to their wives and families, usually marry for life, give a good portion of their income to support others, have a pretty low crime rate and appear to be pretty responsible people. Contrast that with other people and it seems that they might have something good going on. AmVet used the word, “Uppity”. That’s supposed to be saved for racists like me to demean minority groups, is it not? Be careful, AmVet.
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
9:53 am
“Well…there’s always that Sheriff in AZ”
Check out this site: Headlines say all you need to know
http://www.wnd.com/
It is the “conservative” National Enquirer…………. makes Newsmax look objective……..
hahahaha
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:54 am
GT
That sounds a remarkably ignorant thing to say.
Perhaps you’d like to expound upon “the Christian faith”?
But which one?
Roman Catholic?
Greek Orthodox?
Maronite?
Southern Baptist?
Non denominational?
I’m sure all those good Christians agree with all the other good Christians, as to what constitutes the true Christian faith, don’t they?
Adam
April 26th, 2012
9:55 am
Paul: My experience with most Christians, Mormons included, family included, MYSELF included (at the time), is that there is more of an overarching “I believe in God and Jesus” thing going on, and less of an actual understanding of nuance beyond that. Whatever the preacher says is what the Bible says, even if that’s not actually the case. Whatever the community supports, you support. Whatever they think, you think. It’s a massive group think tank.
Start delving into the actual readings and teachings? Well, you are probably less likely to buy some of it. Whether that makes you reject religion wholesale or not is a different story.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2012
9:55 am
Has Huckabee come out in support of Mitt yet.
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
9:55 am
“hy not take the article further and remind everyone how productive this country was up until we barred 6 year olds from working in factories and started giving people the weekend off.”
yeah, well … considering the rapid erosion of worker benefits (vacation time AND sick time … remember those days??? now it’s just “personal days”), I think that’s what they’re pushing for.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:55 am
GT
My apologies.
I just reread your post and misinterpreted the pronoun “they.”
Seems you were slamming the slammers, correct?
Again, sorry -
getalife
April 26th, 2012
9:55 am
Paul,
Where is planet kolob?
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
9:56 am
Bottom line…. Romney could believe in the Easter Bunny and most working Americans would not give a good tinker’s damn if he could put America back to work and fix this damned economy.
Adam
April 26th, 2012
9:57 am
USinUK: Not to mention the idea that the country was more productive during such times is actually demonstrably FALSE, but whatever….
Paul
April 26th, 2012
9:58 am
getalife
My answer would be, it’s in one’s mind to give a glimmer of eternity contrasted to what we experience in this earthly sphere.
Lots try to make it a “ha ha” literal thing.
That’s like reading Revelation and thinking there’s oceans of melted sand (glass) in ‘heaven’ and that the end of the world is going to happen when four guys go for a ride on horseback.
Jm
April 26th, 2012
9:58 am
Bernanke smacked down krugman, the guy he hired at Princeton, today. Good job ben
In other news I helped out mitt again
nomoobama
April 26th, 2012
10:00 am
Those currently in or nearing college, are known as the ninja generation. Why? No Income, No Job. They would be smart to use there votes on a President who will actually create jobs and restore our capitalist system to generate wealth and free companies of rediculous regulations and restrictive taxes. Newsflash…the current administration does none of this. Its beyond time for change…
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
10:01 am
“USinUK: Not to mention the idea that the country was more productive during such times is actually demonstrably FALSE, but whatever…”
no computers … NO COMPUTERS!!!! how on earth did they get anything done???
Mick
April 26th, 2012
10:01 am
yaker
Is it really the presidents role to fix the economy and put americans back to work? You believe romney will do that? How do you “fix” the crashed real estate? You want gov’t out of our lives yet you want it to create jobs? I dunno…
getalife
April 26th, 2012
10:02 am
Paul,
So it is in con la la land?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 26th, 2012
10:03 am
Lots try to make it a “ha ha” literal thing.
Many of those “lots” are fervent believers.
JamVet
April 26th, 2012
10:03 am
Nah, 71.
I’m sure that exactly like that gutless coward, Georgia faux conservative, Lynn Westmoreland, you had no earthly idea that the word *uppity* in the Deep South had any historical racial connotations.
And you Yosemite Sammers vote for unabashed liars and closet bigots like that.
Speaking of dufus Georgia Republicans…
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
April 26th, 2012
10:04 am
“In other news I helped out mitt again
”
How? By showing how incredibly gullible you are in believing his guff?
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
10:04 am
“considering the rapid erosion of worker benefits (vacation time AND sick time … remember those days??? now it’s just “personal days”), ”
And yet…the huge corporation I work for just went BACK to Vacation Days and Sick Days. Had too much trouble with people hoarding days for just in case they got sick, and then all of them trying to take them at the end of the year so they wouldn’t lose them (we haven’t QUIET enlightened enough to let people carry them over)
JamVet
April 26th, 2012
10:05 am
Speaking of entrenched closet racists in the GOP, does anyone know how George Allen’s Virginia War on Macacas is going?
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:05 am
Adam
Lot of truth in that.
Then again, I knew a fellow, Baptist chaplain in the Air Force, was a major (I I understand correctly, that put him a few years away from a lifetime pension) who, as he told me “set out to prove Mormonism was wrong” and ended up converted. Lost his Baptist sponsorship which, he said, meant he was not longer a chaplain, which meant he had to resign from the service.
He was doing well professionally when I met him. But that must’ve been quite a time for him.
kayaker 71 – lot of truth in that.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:06 am
getalife
“Con lalaland?”
LOL!
I don’t think the LDS would want to claim that. Ask Harry Reid.
BTW – where is Jesus?
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
April 26th, 2012
10:06 am
“So it is in con la la land?”
Yep, and it has pearly gates and streets paved with gold…typical rich guy paradise…
getalife
April 26th, 2012
10:06 am
Watching Georgetown Catholics bash ryan on his plan to cut services.
Finally.
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
10:06 am
nomoobama, 10:00,
It seems so simple, yet many voters just don’t get it. Nearly 50% of college graduates in 2011 could not find a job. Yet many continue to vote for this abysmal failure that is running the show, based on some kind of nirvana society that is about a unrealistic as Bozo’s health care plan. Look, it’s tough out there and these young people are finding that out. Why do you think that Bozo spends as much time pandering to the youth in his University campaign speeches? He is losing them and he knows it. They re waking up. Wish the rest of America would do the same thing.
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
10:07 am
Doggone – we have carry-over, but you have to use them up in Q1 … so, you get the same “ohcrap! ohcrap! ohcrap!!! I have to use my days!!!” but it happens in March … which explains why I didn’t have to work a full week for a MONTH between using my days to make long weekends + Easter holiday
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
10:08 am
“nomoobama”
oh, dammit.
now I have this in my head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60og9gwKh1o
Oscar
April 26th, 2012
10:08 am
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
10:06 am
___________
You are not a marine or you, or in the service at all.
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
10:08 am
They would be smart to use there votes on a President who will actually create jobs and restore our capitalist system to generate wealth and free companies of rediculous regulations and restrictive taxes.
I guess the fact that companies are sitting on record profits and the doubling of the stock market in 3 years doesn’t prove that the current president is as pro-capitalist as any conservative “thinks” they are, huh??? It’s far easier to believe the rhetoric spewed by carnival barkers posing as politicians and pundits nowadays.
getalife
April 26th, 2012
10:09 am
“BTW – where is Jesus?”
I think he went back to Mexico because there are no jobs here.
willard’s Dad started a cult there in Mexico.
Mick
April 26th, 2012
10:10 am
yaker
When are you going to wake up? OK, we get that you don’t like obama, no problem, but to just pile up all the ills of america and tag them on this president just shows that your dislike has clouded any sense of logic. Besides, even if romney were to prevail, meet the new boss same as the old boss…
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
10:10 am
“Doggone – we have carry-over, but you have to use them up in Q1″
Yeah, we did too – when we COULD carry them over (different company, got swallowed up by this one) Last year I worked Oct – Nov – Dec and had EVERY Friday off!
Brosephus™
April 26th, 2012
10:10 am
kayaker: Nearly 50% of college graduates in 2011 could not find a job.
Well, take the advice that’s given out by conservatives here… Go out, start a business, and hire them if you want them to find a job.
Oscar
April 26th, 2012
10:10 am
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:05 am
_________
Joseph Smith and Muhammed both saw the same angel. but the angel told them different stories. Hard to tell who to trust anymore.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:12 am
Morning, JamVet
And I was in such a good mood until I read “Westmoreland”….
Cosby
April 26th, 2012
10:12 am
It is not the interest but why college / universities continue to raise tuition and fees with no check and blances. the greatest Ponzi Scheme going. also, if you make the money cheap, it encourages students to take it then have to work like hell to pay it back..remember the housing crises where the Federal government wanted ev eryone in a house even if they coulod not afford it…we are still digging out from that fiasco…all this cheap money to buy votes…shame shame ..those chickens will come home to roost…but that is the Obama way is it not..
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
10:12 am
“He is losing them and he knows it. ”
we played this little game yesterday
he still has a 25% lead over Mittens with that age group.
like they’re REALLY going to vote GOP????
na. ga. happen.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:12 am
dang, getalife, you need a gig on one of those panels on MSNBC or Fox -
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
10:13 am
“kayaker: Nearly 50% of college graduates in 2011 could not find a job”
Cal grads more optimistic about job prospects
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=8628511
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2012
10:13 am
Has everyone prepared themselves for another day by first grabbing those bootstraps firmly. All together now. And PULL! The Republicans on here sound like they forgot that most important step and just went straight into whining about what Obama has not done to make each of their lives more perfect.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:14 am
Oscar
Yeah, well, like I said – whatever works for you in encouraging you to lead a good life and let others believe what they want to believe -
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 26th, 2012
10:15 am
.remember the housing crises where the Federal government wanted ev eryone in a house even if they coulod not afford it…
No, but I remember the housing crisis when private mortgage companies were writing new and refi mortgages faster than their laser printers could print them.
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
10:16 am
“Has everyone prepared themselves for another day by first grabbing those bootstraps firmly. All together now. And PULL! ”
I’d rather watch the GOP pull themselves up by their BVDs …
all together now … PULL!!!
Oscar
April 26th, 2012
10:17 am
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
10:13 am
______________
That 60 per cent can’t find a job sounds pretty suspect to me. (Note: suspect is a polict word for BS)
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:17 am
TaxPayer
And the credit for all this job loss, stagnation and bleak landscape goes to te last pres to wear cowboy boots, who was…..?
That answers the question “why do so many people need to pull on their bootstraps?”
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
10:17 am
One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory. Being lectured in a public venue by some upstart community organizer is no way to get your health care bill sustained or to overturn Arizona laws. This clown has a lot to learn but hopefully it’ll be in Chicago writing his memoirs.
getalife
April 26th, 2012
10:17 am
“dang, getalife, you need a gig on one of those panels on MSNBC or Fox -”
That would be fun but the cons would make threats.
Adam
April 26th, 2012
10:18 am
USinUK: no computers … NO COMPUTERS!!!! how on earth did they get anything done???
Kinda reminds me of the “how the heck did the Egyptians build the Pyramids without ____” arguments
Adam
April 26th, 2012
10:19 am
That would be fun but the cons would make threats.
They kind of do already, so what’s there to lose?
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
10:19 am
“One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory. Being lectured in a public venue by some upstart community organizer is no way to get your health care bill sustained or to overturn Arizona laws”
And if they let that influence their decision…which is SUPPOSED TO BE IMPARTIAL, then they should be removed from the court for dereliction of duty to the Constitution.
Butch Cassidy
April 26th, 2012
10:20 am
Paul – “So you can see why I’m a bit skeptical, from the tone and content of your comments, to separate you from that category.”
Don’t take my word for it, pick up a copy of the Doctrine and Covenants and read up on it for yourself. Also, In Primary, they specifically teach the history, philosphy and core beliefs of the Mormon faith. In addition, in case you missed my previous post, I lived at LDS ground central for over 25 years. I have many friends who served in the mission field, and I have studied the religion from both passive and participatory aspects. You still didn’t answer my question, you merely dismissed my knowledge and first had experience as nothing more than a casual observer, when clearly I have shown it to be otherwise.
Oscar
April 26th, 2012
10:21 am
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
10:17 am
_____
The fact that you accuse Roberts et al of having no interity of office and are willing to forsake their oath to uphold the constitution is duly noted.
USinUK
April 26th, 2012
10:21 am
“Kinda reminds me of the “how the heck did the Egyptians build the Pyramids without ____” arguments”
forget building the pyramids … researching a vacation!!! criminey, there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t want to kiss the Google guys (WITH TONGUE) for making my life easier!
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
10:22 am
“One further thing about John Roberts….. he and others like him have a long memory. ”
Well let’s all hope that Roberts makes rulings based on law not whether someone said something about him in public……….
If not, I’m sure ole Kayaker wouldn’t want an “activist” Judge making rulings on the SC, would he?
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
10:23 am
Oscar
You beat me to it……….
What an amazing post that was……
strange to say the least
JamVet
April 26th, 2012
10:27 am
71, will never, ever , ever get it.
He blames Obama for the current economic apocalyptic landscape out there instead of the men who actually set off the fiscal hydrogen bombs and brought the nation’s economy to it’s knees.
But in his parallel universe, Dick Fuld, Phil Gramm, Hank Paulson, Frank Raines, Angelo Mozilo, Alan Greenspan, Chris Cox, Joe Cassano (Mr. Credit Default Swap himself), George W. Bush and Lloyd Blankfein, among dozens of others are as imaginary as Yosemite Sam.
Stay ignorant, my friends…
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
10:28 am
Oscar, 10:21,
Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?
They BOTH suck
April 26th, 2012
10:29 am
“Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?”
Then what exactly does his long term memory and being called out in public have to do with the rulings you mentioned?
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2012
10:31 am
“Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?”
Actually, you did. It’s sad when someone can’t even comprehend what they, themselves, wrote.
Paul
April 26th, 2012
10:31 am
Butch
I have a long history here of not invoking personal experience, jobs or anything as some kind of credibility test. I believe in arguments with supporting data.
That’s nice you lived amongst them at ground zero. Many sociologists lived for years amongst people of other cultures and wrote how little they understood.
You are aware a number of LDS scholars have written there is no such thing as a ‘Mormon Theology,” aren’t you? (You may want to do some reading at The Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research).
Or maybe you’d want to read an article or two by Nibley on the historicity of the temple in various cultures as it pertains to current LDS practices. You can find it at the Neil Maxwell Institute.
Or possibly you’d like to engage in a discussion of the ‘core’ belief of the Godhead after reading Ostler’s “The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions.”
I think that’s so much better to demonstrate an appreciation of the diversity of LDS thought than to say “I lived among them and talked with them a lot.” don’t you?
Peter
April 26th, 2012
10:31 am
Don’t the Murdock’’s own FOX News ?
Oscar
April 26th, 2012
10:31 am
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2012
10:28 am
Oscar, 10:21,
Never said Roberts had no integrity in office or was unwilling to defend the Constitution. You assume a lot, do you not?
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Tht was not an assumption. That was a deduction. Could also be called an interpretation of what your statement infered.