Romney, Obama fighting for the young vote
One of the battlegrounds of the 2012 presidential campaign will be younger voters, as the Associated Press reports:
WASHINGTON — Once thought to be solidly behind President Barack Obama, younger voters burdened by a bleak employment picture, high gas prices and student loan debt are being aggressively wooed by the Democrat and his likely Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.
In 2008, Obama had a 34-point advantage over Republican Sen. John McCain among voters under age 30. He won about two-thirds of the vote in that age group.
But a new Harvard poll suggests the president may face a harder sales job with younger voters this time around. Obama led Romney by 12 points among those ages 18-24, according to the survey. Among those in the 25-29 age group, Obama held a 23-point advantage.
To keep that advantage among young voters, Obama is campaigning to keep interest rates on student loans at their current level. Unless Congress takes action by July, those rates are scheduled to double from 3.4 percent to 6.8 percent. According to Obama, “that’s basically a $1,000 tax hike for more than 7 million students across America.”
However, the House Republican budget makes no provision for such a change, which puts Romney in a bit of a pickle. Should he side with House Republicans, or should he side with college students and recent college graduates? On Monday, he made his choice.
“Particularly with the number of college graduates that can’t find work or that can only find work well beneath their skill level, I fully support the effort to extend the low interest rate on student loans,” Romney told reporters.
Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him, at least on this issue. Maybe the strategy will work; maybe it won’t. But I suspect it would work at least a little bit better if Romney could also pull off something like this:
– Jay Bookman
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Butch Cassidy
April 25th, 2012
3:42 pm
Donovan – “young people who have mush for brains at their age ”
Well then, I guess we better stop sending them off to foreign countries to fight our wars.
stands for decibels
April 25th, 2012
3:43 pm
Absent anything particularly useful or even funny to add to Jay’s topic, I’ll offer this food for thought.
Bruno, downstairs, said (paraphrasing) that he didn’t think Mitt was necessarily the greatest on all the issues, but he’d vote for him because of a perceived edge Mitt had on economics issues.
Setting aside whether you think Bruno’s right about Mitt–anyone who knows me knows I don’t agree–it does beg a deeper question, regardless of your political ideology.
Just how much would you be willing to overlook in a Presidential candidate, if you thought he/she would do a better job managing the economy? What kind of social issues would you “deal” away in exchange for what you thought would be more prosperity for all?
How much expected prosperity would buy your vote, so to speak?
(ir)Rational
April 25th, 2012
3:45 pm
Kam – Read Shakespeare one too many times (once maybe?) and got stuck on the “bite your thumb at me” line?
JKL2
April 25th, 2012
3:48 pm
doggone- Yeah, we should have voted by sex instead. Much more exciting.
I voted for Palin (which would be your choice). obama’s Secret Service detail even agrees with me on that one.
Bruno
April 25th, 2012
3:48 pm
Jay: Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him, at least on this issue. Maybe the strategy will work; maybe it won’t. But I suspect it would work at least a little bit better if Romney could also pull off something like this:
Adam: Obama is cool. Romney is not cool.
Just my opinion, but anyone who bases their choice for the Leader of the Free World on how “cool” they are must have a few screws loose. I look for other qualities, such as competence.
Adam
April 25th, 2012
3:50 pm
especially when they come from a site called chartporn
and it caters to your point of view
I don’t suppose you actually LOOKED at the chart. It was a copy of one from another source. You can read the source in small text at the bottom right.
Peadawg
April 25th, 2012
3:53 pm
“I voted for Palin” – There’s your sign.
Adam
April 25th, 2012
3:53 pm
Bruno: Just my opinion, but anyone who bases their choice for the Leader of the Free World on how “cool” they are must have a few screws loose. I look for other qualities, such as competence.
My opinion too. I just happened to think that was funny.
It really is no more a sound basis to vote on than gas prices. The basis for voting for someone is what their proposed policy platform is, and whether or not you can reasonably believe they will attempt to follow through. Nothing more, nothing less.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
3:54 pm
(ir)Rational
Just looked it up on Wiki.
The scorer sucking his thumb as a tribute to his child(ren).
Awwwww, ain’t that just precious.
Bruno
April 25th, 2012
3:56 pm
Ask these youngsters who Obama is and what are his principles and they have no clue just like they had no clue in 2008. These kids only stand for free hand outs, free lunches, and free rent at home with mom and dad;kind of like the Occupy Movement losers.
Donovan–Good post. It’s a little hard for me to get behind any giveaway programs for students. I paid all of my student loans back at interest rates of 8% and 12% respectively (2 types of loans). That on top of working full-time throughout school so that I wouldn’t have to borrow as much.
The problem with college today is that it costs too damn much, at least for private schools. Professors are living lavishly at the expense of our young people. It’s not a loan interest issue.
(ir)Rational
April 25th, 2012
3:56 pm
Kam – At least my idea made them not look so much like pansies.
ByteMe
April 25th, 2012
3:57 pm
Interesting data point I read this past weekend, courtesy the charts at bls.gov:
Since unemployment hit its apex and started to decline, 4 million new jobs were created.
If you look at employment for ages 55+, 4 million more of them are in the worforce.
Coincidence?
Bruno
April 25th, 2012
3:58 pm
Bruno and Jam
Left you two a msg downstairs…….
TBS–I was hoping to get off a little early tomorrow, but no go. I’ll be pretty lucky to make the show on time now.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
3:58 pm
(ir)Rational
ByteMe
April 25th, 2012
3:58 pm
“I voted for Palin” – There’s your sign.
You needed another sign? I thought the one he was waving about “demwits” was enough.
Recon 0311 2533
April 25th, 2012
3:59 pm
What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes.
Adam
April 25th, 2012
3:59 pm
Donovan’s post wasn’t a good post, Bruno. It completely misrepresents both people who voted for Obama in 2008 and the Occupy movement. Many people don’t vote for Democrats because they think they’ll get something free out of it. They vote Democrat because they agree with their policy positions.
I am convinced the reason SOME people think that people vote Democrat because they are promised free stuff think so because that’s what THEY would do in THEIR place. That’s the Psychologist’s Fallacy.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
3:59 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
3:38 pm
ALL repubs/cons do not feel Bush should NEVER be mentioned.
I haven’t used the word “ALL”, you have.
I’m not gonna defend a position I didn’t take.
I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night.
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Valid point in the use of “ALL”.
But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Remember, it’s the same arguement about dems/libs and “evil rich”.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:03 pm
But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Again —
Really?
You don’t recall even one instance of a “Repub/con” reminding everyone here that Bush is no longer in office and therefore irrelevant to this financial melt-down?
Seriously?
Adam
April 25th, 2012
4:03 pm
Recon: What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes.
Funny, what I saw was Jimmy Fallon making the President do something just a bit silly.
Butch Cassidy
April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm
Let me break down Democrats vs. Republicans:
Democrats vote for free food, medicine, human services, etc via taxes.
Republicans vote for free everything via tax elimination.
Adam
April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm
TBG: But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Remember, it’s the same arguement about dems/libs and “evil rich”.
So, you just want people to stop it. Alright, I’m on board with that.
ByteMe
April 25th, 2012
4:06 pm
What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes
But Romney reading the Top 10 list on Letterman is distinguished pandering for votes, right?
Bruno
April 25th, 2012
4:08 pm
Just how much would you be willing to overlook in a Presidential candidate, if you thought he/she would do a better job managing the economy? What kind of social issues would you “deal” away in exchange for what you thought would be more prosperity for all?
sfd–Valid question, one which DF asked me the other night in a slightly different form. He attempted to contrast Obama’s supposed “compassion” against Romney’s “cold-heartedness”. From where I sit, an improved economy will pretty much wipe away the need for “compassion”. Don’t know about you, but I haven’t benefited from any of the “compassion” anyway.
But don’t mistake my “hold-my-nose-and-vote-for-Romney” position as some type of ringing endorsement. He was my second choice, at best.
Bruno
April 25th, 2012
4:11 pm
What we see on this video is a desperate as well as a pathetic excuse for a President shamelessly pandering for votes
Recon–I’ll go you one better. To me, Obama looked like a F’ing jackass on that video. I’m not typically a stuffed shirt, but I expect a little decorum from my Pres.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:11 pm
“A Demwit is a proud card carrying member of the Democrat National Party. Sheeple who blindly follow our president and other high ranking government officials who have (D) after their name.”
Thanks for the follow up. What is the name of an individual who marches in lock step with the Republican Party and actually thinks that talk radio is the news and not opinion and entertainment?
JKL2
April 25th, 2012
4:12 pm
Adam- It completely misrepresents both people who voted for Obama in 2008 and the Occupy movement.
How do you misrepresent the OWS? Those clueless idiots didn’t even understand what they protesting.
Adam
April 25th, 2012
4:12 pm
Bruno: From where I sit, an improved economy will pretty much wipe away the need for “compassion”
No it won’t. It’ll reduce the need, not eliminate the need. By how much depends on how much the economy improves. And I actually can’t believe you’re buying this nonsense that Romney has any better chance to improve the economy than Obama did. He’ll sign off on anything Republicans send him, and those things have already been shown to be the wrong ways to handle economic growth. It might be easy to throw in your “control group” argument, but the fact is that the differences are stark enough between austerity governments and our own to show just what kind of results to expect, even if they are not exact. You’re comparing Newton’s theories of planetary movement to Einstein’s – one is more correct, but both are plenty good enough for a basic model.
Butch Cassidy
April 25th, 2012
4:13 pm
Bruno – “But don’t mistake my “hold-my-nose-and-vote-for-Romney” position as some type of ringing endorsement.He was my second choice, at best.”
That statement describes to a tee how far the election process as well as the candidates have fallen. We’ve gone from “leaders who inspire” “to yeah well, that was the best guy we could get”. Ugh.
Adam
April 25th, 2012
4:13 pm
How do you misrepresent the OWS? Those clueless idiots didn’t even understand what they protesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udfYr-UuB8Y
Recon 0311 2533
April 25th, 2012
4:14 pm
“But Romney reading the Top 10 list on Letterman is distinguished pandering for votes, right?”
I agree and I would suggest including courageous as it takes courage for a Republican to appear on Letterman.
Adam
April 25th, 2012
4:14 pm
JKL2: You’re right, those OWS people sound SO clueless right there.
JKL2
April 25th, 2012
4:15 pm
they both- What is the name of an individual who marches in lock step with the Republican Party and actually thinks that talk radio is the news and not opinion and entertainment?
already been covered. Ask getalife. He’s the official name caller for the lefties here.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:17 pm
TBG from downstairs
Good for you on the ride for Juvenile Diabetes
I will be doing the walk for Lupus awareness at Piedmont on Saturday
What kind of bike do you ride?
You slow and low with the Harleys or a rice burner kind of guy?
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:19 pm
“already been covered. Ask getalife. He’s the official name caller for the lefties here.”
I was asking you since it was you calling people “demwits” and had your own definition for them…
Guess that doesn’t make you a name caller, right?
getalife did it
hahahahahaha
Adam
April 25th, 2012
4:20 pm
Out! See yahs tomorrowahs!
Butch Cassidy
April 25th, 2012
4:20 pm
Just a little insight as to why Mitt will have such a hard time. This was posted by a friend of mine on my FB page regarding the Connecticut Republican Primary:
Voter Turnout Percentage for yesterday’s Republican Presidential Preference Primary was 14.4%
” That is such a shame…in our town of 2,301 registered Republicans only 300 voted…”
Then again, maybe everyone was waiting to see if Romney was going to be the GOP front runner.
JKL2
April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm
adam- You’re right, those OWS people sound SO clueless right there.
and here’s yet another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyiNyEIrmzU&feature=related
With people like this I have real hope for our future…
Jack
April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm
I wish I were young, but not foolish enough to vote for Obama. If Obama has his way, productive citizens will pay to support parasites who game the system and pay no income tax.
ByteMe
April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm
I agree and I would suggest including courageous as it takes courage for a Republican to appear on Letterman.
Aahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….
So much wrong in so few words. I don’t even want to waste my time correcting your ignorance.
Tax cut
April 25th, 2012
4:21 pm
Let me see if I follow….
Bush tax “cuts” = bad
Purchasing young vote via a tax “cut” = good.
Got it.
Even though I know this is not a tax cut, you are artifically reducing the burden of a group for political favor just the same.
Deferrring tax increases for any reason by anyone has consequences, be they short term benefit or long term damage. Trying to disguise it as something else by either party as some type of gamesmanship is still screwing the taxpayer.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:23 pm
Bruno
Cool…….. Maybe another time
Was going to walk over and have a beer with you if you were going to be there early
I think you mentioned you now live a a good ways from downtown………. Be careful driving
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 25th, 2012
4:23 pm
Well, I think both canadates are making a mistake going after the youth vote. The young people are in classes or working at McDonald’s till noon or so. They they go back to bed and sleep till around 8. By that time the polls are closed.
I say go after the geezers. They never miss going to the polls. Because they got nothing else to do with their time. I’m sure Mr. Mormon Underpants could come up with something on Social Security or Medicare that will get them fired up to vote for him. Or am I missing something here?
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
4:24 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:03 pm
But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Again —
Really?
You don’t recall even one instance of a “Repub/con” reminding everyone here that Bush is no longer in office and therefore irrelevant to this financial melt-down?
Seriously?
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Kam, of course I recall that happening with some repub/cons here.
But to stretch that to mean “never mention Bush’s name again” is a reach.
Again, not trying to argue, just trying to point out that if you stretch and twist enough then the following statements can be said to be true.
“Libs/dems think the rich are evil.
Repub/cons don’t ever want you to mention Bush’s name again”.
Do you see my point.
Recon 0311 2533
April 25th, 2012
4:24 pm
“So much wrong in so few words. I don’t even want to waste my time correcting your ignorance.”
You would be much better off trying to correct your own.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:25 pm
Let me see if I follow….
Nope.
You’re wandering, lost in the woods.
GPS device or a compass.
Just suggestin’.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
4:26 pm
Adam
April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm
TBG: But, can you point to any repub/con that said “Don’t ever mention Bush’s name”?
Remember, it’s the same arguement about dems/libs and “evil rich”.
So, you just want people to stop it. Alright, I’m on board with that.
__________________________________________________________
By Jove…
ByteMe
April 25th, 2012
4:28 pm
You would be much better off trying to correct your own.
Aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
You’re too funny. Seriously. Being on Letterman and reading a Top 10 list is “COURAGEOUS” in your world. FUNNY!!!
Lordy. Between you and JKL2, this has been too funny for words.
Casual Observer
April 25th, 2012
4:30 pm
Four years ago Barack Obama dazzled us in front of Greek columns with sweeping promises of hope and change. But after we came down to earth, after the celebration and parades, what do we have to show for three and a half years of President Obama?
Is it easier to make ends meet? Is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? Have you saved what you needed for retirement? Are you making more in your job? Do you have a better chance to get a better job? Do you pay less at the pump?
If the answer were “yes” to those questions, then President Obama would be running for re-election based on his achievements…and rightly so. But because he has failed, he will run a campaign of diversions, distractions, and distortions. That kind of campaign may have worked at another place and in a different time. But not here and not now. It’s still about the economy …and we’re not stupid.
This election pits the achievers vs. the moochers, folks who want a better America vs. folks who want a European type America. Folks who believe in capitalism vs. folks who believe in socialism.
You have until November to decide who you are. Tick-tock.
Tax cut
April 25th, 2012
4:31 pm
Don’t need a tracking device for favortism, follow your nose.
“To keep that advantage among young voters, Obama is campaigning to keep interest rates on student loans at their current level”, this is throwing a bone to a group for their vote, the monies that were planned to be collected from the higher interest rate must be replaced or do you know of a planned offsetting reduction?
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
4:31 pm
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:17 pm
TBG from downstairs
Good for you on the ride for Juvenile Diabetes
I will be doing the walk for Lupus awareness at Piedmont on Saturday – My SIL has Lupus, so thank you.
What kind of bike do you ride? – Triumph Trophy 1200
You slow and low with the Harleys or a rice burner kind of guy? – It’s a touring bike with a sport bike engine and response, but it has a upright riding stance.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:33 pm
Butch
Turnout has been low in a lot of states….. even when it was still a “race” if there really ever was a race…….
Media attempted to make it a race to keep up the ratings, but Obama’s team has been preparing for Romney for sometime now
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:33 pm
But to stretch that to mean “never mention Bush’s name again” is a reach.
I never asserted that anyone suggested “never mention Bush’s name again”.
Once again, I’m not gonna defend words that I did not use.
Do you see my point.
Not at all, and your use of quotation marks is a suggestion that you are quoting me when I didn’t use those words.
Casual Observer
April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm
I’m sure those recent college grads would vote for Obama as long as someone holds their place in line at a jobs fair.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm
Casual Observer @ 4:30
Just heard Hanitty and his diatribe about the speech……..
I was in awe
hahahahahahaha
Butch Cassidy
April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm
Casual Observer – “This election pits the achievers vs. the moochers, folks who want a better America vs. folks who want a European type America.”
Which is which? The ones who are for allowing the tax cuts to expire across the board in order pay our bills and keep government running, or the ones who constantly want to defer the cost of running the country via tax elimination?
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
4:36 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:25 pm
Let me see if I follow….
Nope.
You’re wandering, lost in the woods.
GPS device or a compass.
Just suggestin’.
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Ok.
Agree to disagree.
I know how brutal you can get, so i truly apreciate the polite responses.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:37 pm
Don’t need a tracking device for favortism, follow your nose.
My nose tells me that you drew a false equivalence with tax cuts and maintaining a
the current interest rates on student loans.
Your comparison smells like two month leftover tuna in the fridge.
ByteMe
April 25th, 2012
4:38 pm
or do you know of a planned offsetting reduction?
Well, I know what’s been offered, don’t know if it’ll be accepted:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/25/471055/reid-gop-support-for-preventing-student-loan-rate-hike-depends-on-grover-norquists-support/?mobile=nc
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:39 pm
“My SIL has Lupus, so thank you.”
You got it man……..
Enjoy your ride
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:41 pm
30 minutes of free futbol.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
4:42 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:33 pm
But to stretch that to mean “never mention Bush’s name again” is a reach.
I never asserted that anyone suggested “never mention Bush’s name again”.
Once again, I’m not gonna defend words that I did not use.
Do you see my point.
Not at all, and your use of quotation marks is a suggestion that you are quoting me when I didn’t use those words.
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My bad, Kam. Excuse the quotation marks, as the words between them were NOT your words.
I think it was *He Who Shall Not Be Named* or something of the like.
Substituting that for “never mention Bush’s name again”, do you now see my comparason to the “evil rich” arguement?
Casual Observer
April 25th, 2012
4:43 pm
Butch Cassidy
So raising taxes is the answer??? Folks are already struggling, why prolong the agony? It is not an income problem, it is a spending problem.
I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:44 pm
TBG
Evans didn’t want too much of Jones
Jones put on a Muay Thai clinic with those bows………… once he had him sized up and Evans got tentative in his attempts to take Jones down…….. it was all over
He was slipping those bows in and you could tell they were stinging……… big time
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
4:44 pm
OOPS! :blush:
Kam, your 4:25 was not for me. Me so surry. :shame:
pogo
April 25th, 2012
4:45 pm
Hope those graduates can pay for a pound of hamburger meat with their subsidized “cheap” degrees. Otherwise, they may just go hungry because there aren’t any jobs for them. Obama has made sure of that with his supression of industry by federal regulation. If it weren’t for that pesky deficit that we have he could just hire all of the college students using federal taxpayer money. That is exactly what people like Jay and Krugman are talking about when they crtisize the thought of cutting spending . They are followers of Keynes and they think that the government is only thing that can provide for the great “unwashed”.
What is really comical is that Obama is going around spouting he is going to freeze tuition for college students. I bet those fat, spoiled and tenured liberal professors at Harvard and Yale really love that. He has no intention or ability to do this but it sure sounds good to a bunch of dumb asses.
Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
4:47 pm
“I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.”
Considering this is AT LEAST the second time we’ve seen this here…shouldn’t it be in quotes? I refuse to believe it’s totally original to more than one person. So who’s being quoted?
deegee
April 25th, 2012
4:48 pm
If you have good credit you can get a mortgage for around 4%. Why should students and their parents be paying 6% for student loans? That’s unreasonable. Leave it at 3%.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:48 pm
Kam
TBG is a fair minded dude……… I think is point is pretty good.
We have a few on here (regardless of political ideology) who can not see the forest through the trees…….
They will quote talking points and gibberish while they call out others for quoting talking points and gibberish….
Some of them probably know they do it; while I have come to believe others are flat out lost in space and no matter the facts, situation, topic………….. they will just say the same generalities, talking pts, rhetoric over and over and over…….. and actually think they are some sort of debate champion
Casual Observer
April 25th, 2012
4:48 pm
They BOTH suck
Good for you. Then I am sure you will enjoy this as well.
Americans have always been eternal optimists. But over the last three and a half years, we have seen hopes and dreams diminished by false promises and weak leadership. Everywhere I go, Americans are tired of being tired, and many of those who are fortunate enough to have a job are working harder for less.
For every single mom who feels heartbroken when she has to explain to her kids that she needs to take a second job … for grandparents who can’t afford the gas to visit their grandchildren … for the mom and dad who never thought they’d be on food stamps … for the small business owner desperately cutting back just to keep the doors open one more month – to all of the thousands of good and decent Americans I’ve met who want nothing more than a better chance, a fighting chance, to all of you, I have a simple message: Hold on a little longer. A better America begins tonight.
—Mitt Romney
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:44 pm
TBG
Evans didn’t want too much of Jones
Jones put on a Muay Thai clinic with those bows………… once he had him sized up and Evans got tentative in his attempts to take Jones down…….. it was all over
He was slipping those bows in and you could tell they were stinging……… big time
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So true.
Bones used his elbows like jabs. Evans just couldn’t adapt.
Bones is going to tough to beat until someone can match his length and creativity.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm
For what its worth, both my college age kids, and all their friends, know the Supreme Leader is a moron, and laugh at him every chance they get. They are surprised a guy this lacking in skills could become President.
Recon 0311 2533
April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm
I guess a president who can’t govern must find something else to do albeit at taxpayer expense.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/obama-picture-student-colorado-bar-goes-viral-190325356.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:49 pm
Substituting that for “never mention Bush’s name again”, do you now see my comparason to the “evil rich” arguement[sic]?
I understand the argument that you are trying to make, but your comparison falls short in that no liberal here that I can recall has ever used the “evil rich” phrase, while there have been some conservatives that have suggested that the use of Bush’s name is off limits.
St Simons - codewords are the new black
April 25th, 2012
4:50 pm
whooa, where’d that “class welfare” Boortz/Lush Rimjob talky point go?
Cons are gonna alienate so many groups, mon, dey gonna be able to
have dey con-vention in an airport bathroom stall, dontcha know
Republicans waging a “waw on success” makin it harder to pay back
student loans, mon. But dey don’t care.
Their base don’t do that schoolin nonsense.
Casual Observer
April 25th, 2012
4:51 pm
Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
4:47 pm
“I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.” —American taxpayers
Bruno
April 25th, 2012
4:51 pm
No it won’t. It’ll reduce the need, not eliminate the need. By how much depends on how much the economy improves.
Looks like Adam skedaddled, but does anyone else here think that something is drastically wrong when 1 out of every 7 people receive Food Stamps??
And I actually can’t believe you’re buying this nonsense that Romney has any better chance to improve the economy than Obama did.
My personal opinion is that a President can’t directly improve the economy. At best, they can attempt to create conditions favorable for job growth, primarily by not attempting to micromanage and manipulate markets. I have no idea what Romney might do if elected, and he himself may not know. But, I trust his business instincts far more than I do Obama’s.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
4:52 pm
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone who thinks the Supreme Leader is a moron.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm
the youth need to be taught that Congress, the President, their staffs and all the lobbyists are in the 1%
Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm
“American taxpayers”
Interesting. I’m a taxpayer and I never said anything like that. So your attribution is false. Care to try again and get the RIGHT PERSON this time?
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm
“Bones is going to tough to beat until someone can match his length and creativity.”
His reach with legs and arms is a huge plus……….. To take him out someone will have to be willing to take a few blows in efforts to get inside his reach to throw punches up close or take him down so you can attempt to take him out via grappling and jujitsu
You are not going to stand and play the jab game with him……… and win
Butch Cassidy
April 25th, 2012
4:55 pm
Casual Observer – “I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.”
Who says you have to be either? I really don’t care how Romney spends his money, and Obama isn’t reaching directly into my wallet and removing a couple of C-Notes every day. I’d like to not have to pay taxes to support other peoples kids to go to school, ride busses, maintain roads and get hot lunches. Unfortunately, the tax system was not set up like a Burger King where you get to” have it your way.”
Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
4:57 pm
“Who says you have to be either?”
Didn’t you know? EVERYTHING is either black or white. There no shades of grey in the conned world.
Paul
April 25th, 2012
4:58 pm
“Basically, Romney decided that the best way to beat Obama was to copy from him, at least on this issue. Maybe the strategy will work; maybe it won’t. ”
Not quite. The strategy is to support sensible policies for key constituencies while at the same time drawing a distinction with Pres Obama’s record. Which Romney did on this issue, with follow-on remarks of “…Romney blamed the Obama administration for racking up a debt that young people will pay off for the rest of their lives. “We’re fighting to make sure that we can reduce the deficits and eliminate this debt overhang, and yet the president continues to amass these huge deficits,” Romney said.”
http://www.mndaily.com/2012/04/24/obama-and-romney-talk-student-loan-debt
In other words, the Romney strategy is to acknowledge the President inherited a mess, but his unfamiliarity with real-world business and economic management hindered the recovery, average Americans are paying the price, and Romney has a long and extensive record of experience in such matters.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
4:58 pm
Casual
Bring them on………. When I need a quick laugh; Rush, Hannity, Boortz, Beck, Levin, etc are never too far away
Those clowns crack me up……… but I must applaud them. They are all doing well at their craft
Actually it is the people who listen and think they are getting the “real” news that crack me up…….
Bruno
April 25th, 2012
4:59 pm
I am amazed that I am SUPPOSED to be angry at how Romney spends his money, but not at how Obama is spending MINE.
Clever line, but it might be more accurate to say that Obama is now past spending our money, and has raided our kids’ and grandkids’ piggybanks.
TaxPayer
April 25th, 2012
5:01 pm
“I voted for Palin” – There’s your sign.
It’s a sign all right. Perhaps a 30-day supply of penicillin would help clear it up.
pogo
April 25th, 2012
5:01 pm
So a marine is discharged for criticizing this joker that is posing as an American president. Man, we are really screwed. Obama is no “Commander in Chief”, he is a “Propagandizer in Chief”. He leads no-one and he has done nothing but spend our money on his special interests and what have we got for it? NOTHING.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 25th, 2012
5:03 pm
…and what have we got for it? NOTHING.
There it is, the entitlement mentality.
What is it that you believe you are entitled to?
Jay
April 25th, 2012
5:03 pm
Clever line, but it might be more accurate to say that Obama is now past spending our money, and has raided our kids’ and grandkids’ piggybanks.
So Bruno, you ready to pay more taxes to stop that from happening?
Paul
April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm
“So a marine is discharged for criticizing this joker that is posing as an American president. ”
pogo, are you ever going to read the Uniform Code of Military Justice?
At least the relevant parts?
Casual Observer
April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm
Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
4:54 pm
Interesting. I’m a taxpayer and I never said anything like that. So your attribution is false. Care to try again and get the RIGHT PERSON this time?
Hard to speak when you are drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.
They BOTH suck
April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm
“So a marine is discharged for criticizing this joker that is posing as an American president. ”
Explain what his OBLIGATIONS are when he signed up to be a Marine and if he broke any of them………..
Thanks
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm
pogo
a marine violated a code of conduct
they take their codes very seriously
just ask jack nicholson
Jay
April 25th, 2012
5:04 pm
No, why should you, right? We’re getting $1 worth of government services and only paying 70 cents for them. A great deal, keep it coming!
deegee
April 25th, 2012
5:05 pm
Yes, when I was in college I thought I knew everything, too. I used to think that educated professionals were morons. I even thought my mother was a moron and laughed at some of the stuff she did.
Unlike the Supreme Leader, I didn’t graduate from Columbia University and Harvard Law School. I didn’t become the president of the Harvard Law Review. I didn’t earn a law degree. I didn’t work as a civil rights attorney in Chicago or teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. I didn’t serve three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. I didn’t get elected President of the US.
Jay
April 25th, 2012
5:05 pm
And of course, Obama’s not spending a dime that hasn’t been appropriated by Congress.
Doggone/GA
April 25th, 2012
5:06 pm
“Hard to speak when you are drinking the Obama Kool-Aid”
Since I don’t like Kool-Aid I have no problems speaking whatsoever.
Orange 12
April 25th, 2012
5:06 pm
Oh No! It appears as if Our President might have far more important issues to worry about besides “fighting for the young vote”. SCOTUS just might let integral parts of the Arizona Law stand and gut the mandate out of his crown jewel – Obama-Care. What will we do?
Scooter
April 25th, 2012
5:08 pm
Ah, the under thirty vote… those are the voters who really know what’s best for their long term futures.