Second Amendment is not an excuse for vigilantes
So you’re sitting at home minding your own business and you hear noises from the place next door, which hasn’t been occupied for months.
You look outside and see two people, an older man and woman, at the front of the place, trying to open the door. What do you do?
Bake your new neighbors a pie? Call the police to report strangers next door?
Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, were held at gunpoint by neighbors outside the home their son had just purchased for them.
If you’re Robert Canoles of Porterville, you apparently take it upon yourself to grab your teenaged son, arm him and yourself with AR-15s, then march next door to confront and hold the terrified couple at gunpoint until sheriff deputies arrive.
Read the story by the AJC’s Christian Boone. Once deputies arrived, the older couple were arrested, charged with loitering and prowling and forced to spend the night in jail. Nobody paid much heed to their explanation that their son had just purchased the empty house and that they were changing the locks at the place they planned to make their new home.
But it turned out they were telling the truth.
As a result, the couple has been freed. Canoles and his son, on the other hand, have been arrested, charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass. They now sit in jail.
“I don’t know what they can charge me with,” Canoles is quoted as saying before the arrest. “This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own.”
The good news is that this time, nobody got injured or killed, which under the circumstances was a definite possibility. But it also illustrates what can happen when loose talk about “Second Amendment rights” becomes translated in certain minds into a license to become vigilantes.
– Jay Bookman
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TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
8:50 pm
I believe we’ve lost our way.
Amen to that.
Malthus
April 24th, 2012
8:50 pm
Scorekeeper, we have too many people.
Fewer people is good.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:51 pm
NATIVE
They make the klan look like the Civitans…
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
8:51 pm
Brosephus, do you think we have issues with Black criminals committing crimes against White people or is that a minor consideration that should be disregarded?
Recon
I honestly don’t get all into what race does what when it comes to crime. I loathe all criminals equally, regardless of who they are. Where I think we, if you’re saying we as in the country, go off the rails is when we focus all this energy on trying to single out who does what more instead of digging deep to find out what the root cause of the crime is in the first place.
Unless it’s something planned, most crimes are crimes of opportunity. There are instances when specific victims are targeted, but I don’t think that holds for the majority.
To answer your question, I don’t think ANY crime should be disregarded.
Soothsayer
April 24th, 2012
8:51 pm
Improving Chevy Volt Sales Leads GM to Shorten Summer Shutdown
Increasing sales numbers (GM sold 2,289 Volts in March – well over double February’s 1,023-unit total) come at a time when some of the right-wing attacks on the plug-in hybrid appear to have calmed down. LaForest told TPM that his union workers have been confused about these criticisms. “I don’t think Newt or Mitt have said a single negative thing about the Nissan Leaf,” he said. “They’re attacking our car to get at the President. But our car is going to change the way America does business. It’s a breath of fresh air.”
Now this ain’t good. Not if your a Fright-Winger.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
8:52 pm
“Until such time as the Black community steps up along with left wing apologists and admit that there are significant crime problems involving a disproportionate number of young Black criminals that have nothing to do with White prejudice, we’ll never solve our racial divide.”
Sure. No problem: Young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
So now what, Recon?
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:54 pm
Once meebo loads the page loads. That IS if I stay around that long. Meebo is the reason I have been on less frequently…….
Fred–I’ve noticed that several websites are scanned through while loading the AJC pages, but I’m not knowledgeable enough about computers to know what it all means, other than obvously slowing things down.
BTW–I’ve noticed you agreeing with me a lot lately. You’re not sucking up in a bid to make it into the Blog Brotherhood again, are you?? Still, much nicer than being called a Rushbot. As I explained to one uninformed poster recently, it is I who writes the right-wing talking points for Rush and Sean.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:55 pm
For those of y’all yapping about “black” statistics…this is not race, but economic class. You can go looking and find similar stats for any group with a significant number of their members in the economically marginalized categories…
Jay
April 24th, 2012
8:55 pm
They make the klan look like the Civitans…
They also make the Fox/Drudge fixation on the New Black Panthers look absurd. Those Stormfront fools are much more numerous, much more serious and much better armed.
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:56 pm
““Until such time as the Black community steps up along with left wing apologists and admit that there are significant crime problems involving a disproportionate number of young Black criminals that have nothing to do with White prejudice, we’ll never solve our racial divide.”
Sure. No problem: Young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime.”
Jay is a black community? Trippy
Josef – scary
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
8:57 pm
Until such time as the Black community steps up along with left wing apologists and admit that there are significant crime problems involving a disproportionate number of young Black criminals that have nothing to do with White prejudice, we’ll never solve our racial divide.
Until such time as the White community actually pays attention to the community based groups that are trying to tackle those crime problems, we won’t get to the point that you THINK we need to arrive to. Admitting problems doesn’t accomplish a friggin’ thing if there is no plan of action to combat the problem itself. We could admit problems until we’re all light headed and blue in the face, but that won’t solve the racial divide in this country. There are people who have far too much invested in that divide to allow it to fall by the wayside.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:57 pm
BRUNO
Blog Brotherhood, eh? You tribalist, you!
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:58 pm
getalife
on a 2nd amendment
thread white powder is
not as appropriate as
black powder.
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:58 pm
Sounds like the govt needs to keep a watchful eye on those boys
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
9:00 pm
For those of y’all yapping about “black” statistics…this is not race, but economic class. You can go looking and find similar stats for any group with a significant number of their members in the economically marginalized categories…
If you want to know the truth, josef, that’s how I look at things. I firmly believe that economic factors have more to do with crime than race. And since young Blacks are disproportionately unemployed, it makes sense to me that they will commit more crimes.
Several here, including Blog Brotherhood Applicant Fred have suggested that we do away with race-based Affirmative Action, and make it economic-based Affirmative Action. IMO, that would go a long way toward healing our racial divide. As long as race-based laws remain on the books, there’s going to be race-based animosity.
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
9:00 pm
“Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you.”
–Patrick Henry
Did not know that was Patrick Henry.
First time I remember hearing it was from a baseball player named Preacher Roe.
My wife swears it is Yakov Smirnoff.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
9:01 pm
Y’all have fun. I gotta go spread the news about all this Black crime and stuff. It’s not like I don’t know dozens of friends and acquaintances who have been killed in Black on Black crime. Not to mention that I’ve been close to being a statistic myself.
Neverless, I gotta ride out like Paul Revere to warn everybody about all the criminal Blacks coming to take over America. Catch y’all later….
Thundercloud
April 24th, 2012
9:02 pm
Meteorology used to be a naming convention for us Indians. Now it has become a white supremacy term? Whack.
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
9:03 pm
“So now what, Recon?”
So report those incidents as well and allow open discussion as you did with this thread topic picking up on a couple of losers who used their rifles to intimidate an innocent Black couple. You evidently know full well that out of the millions of law abiding gun owners incidents such as this are extremely rare.
josef
April 24th, 2012
9:03 pm
JAY
They have been operating underneath the public radar and, if you follow them, you know they are a serious threat. While I’m generally of the “ignore them” school of thought, this is not one of those cases because they have played that angle to their advantage and they have done their homework there. I do wonder why, though, there has been no serious coverage of them.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:04 pm
“Several here, including Blog Brotherhood Applicant Fred have suggested that we do away with race-based Affirmative Action, and make it economic-based Affirmative Action. IMO, that would go a long way toward healing our racial divide. As long as race-based laws remain on the books, there’s going to be race-based animosity.”
I would agree with that, with one very important caveat. The notion that affirmative action laws cause race-based animosity is extremely naive. Affirmative action is the excuse often used to justify and legitimize that animosity; It is not by any means the cause of that animosity. The cause goes much much deeper.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:05 pm
Educate the moms
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:06 pm
Why are supremacists
always at the bottom of
the food chain.
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
9:06 pm
“There are people who have far too much invested in that divide to allow it to fall by the wayside.”
You bet there are.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:07 pm
Jays 9:04 and bruno’s post sounds like a good liberal – conservative compromise
Been discussed for years
If Washington just had its act together
But the faux race war is helpful to the dividers
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:09 pm
Frog 9:06
They’re not always….
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:09 pm
As long as there is race
based animosity race
based laws will remain
on the books.
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
9:10 pm
Bro, if you’re gonna play Paul Revere, PLEASE get the story straight, OK?
He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free and we were going to be armed.
I know the cons think that Biden is not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I doubt that in ten lifetimes he could match that joke of a former VP candidate for sheer inanity…
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:12 pm
Native
change always to usually
for accuracy…
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:14 pm
Jamvet
That “shotgun” PR was using must have been amazing……
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:14 pm
Frog 9:12 true also
Tester
April 24th, 2012
9:17 pm
I’m in agreement with Mr. Fair.
In response to President Obama’s decision to raise the profile of the Trayvon Martin case, T. Willard Fair, president of the Urban League of Greater Miami, recently told The Daily Caller that the “the outrage should be about us killing each other, about black-on-black crime.”
He asked rhetorically, “Wouldn’t you think to have 41 people shot [in Chicago] between Friday morning and Monday morning would be much more newsworthy and deserve much more outrage?”
When will white liberals have the courage to address black on black crime?
josef
April 24th, 2012
9:17 pm
I have no problem with Affirmative Action. I have a serious problem with quotas. I do think an economic class based process toward ending the marginalization across the board would be the more rational.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:18 pm
Josef 9:17
Infinitely more rational
josef
April 24th, 2012
9:21 pm
Teeter
I thought we were addressing what you call black-on-black crime by addressing class marginalization. If we do that, we can address Indian on Indian, Roma on Roma, Latino on Latino, Poor White on Poor White crime at the same time…
Who knows, we might even be able to get white-collar on white-collar crime under that rubric if we tried hard enough…
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:21 pm
“When will white liberals have the courage to address black on black crime?”
What do you mean by “address”, Tester?
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:26 pm
Tester means “address” a letter
He’s very old fashioned with the communication thing
Tester
April 24th, 2012
9:26 pm
“What do you mean by “address”, Tester?”
Make it a priority instead of focusing on anomolies like the incident you’ve chosen to promote.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:28 pm
It’s absolutely a serious problem, Tester. It ruins the lives of victims and perpetrators alike, as Mr. Fair clearly recognizes. And while solving it is a much more difficult problem, it is also true that the statistics are a lot better than they were 20 years ago. Progress is being made.
However, I think it’s important to distinguish between person-on-person crime, which is hard to address, and injustice perpetrated by the criminal justice system. The Trayvon Martin case, for example, has gotten a lot of publicity not because it involved a black victim and white shooter, but because the system seemed to shrug off a case in which the victim was black so quickly.
That’s also why it’s so bizarre to see these cases of black-on-white violence offered up as some kind of counterweight to the Martin case. In every one of those cases, the alleged perpetrators were arrested, charged and will be tried. This is not a case in which keeping score is appropriate, to say the least.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:31 pm
Decriminalization of
naturally occurring
substances would
ease crime considerably.
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
9:32 pm
“The Trayvon Martin case, for example, has gotten a lot of publicity not because it involved a black victim and white shooter, but because the system seemed to shrug it off so quickly.”
Yes Jay, right. That has to be a good night fairy tale for the children.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:32 pm
Educate the moms
Use Medicaid for the children and moms
Give moms training on how to raise kids
Provide incentives to be married and have two parent households instead of penalizing them
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:34 pm
Frog true
Formaldehyde is naturally occurring
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:34 pm
Recon, you prove my point.
Matti
April 24th, 2012
9:35 pm
Mr. Bookman @ 9:28,
Nicely put. That the Sanford PD could not be bothered to even attempt to identify the deceased young man, even though they had the cell phone he was using moments before he died, may not be their biggest legal problem, but it certainly speaks more loudly to their commitment to serving their community — or selective lack thereof — than anything else about this matter, IMO.
As a mother, I have to say: WHO DOES THAT? Who chunks a kids’ body in a cooler and goes about their business without giving the identity or the worried family a single thought? Geebus, there just aren’t words to adequately describe my disgust.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:35 pm
Native
where?
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:35 pm
Jay 9:34
Not sure he really did
Let’s talk solutions since everyone has admitted there’s a problem
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:36 pm
Enter your comments herebarking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:31 pm
Decriminalization of
naturally occurring
substances would
ease crime considerably.
___________
That should be done in the case of weed, but don’t know about the poppy plant substance, and other possible substances. Would certainly ease the strain on our penal institutions.
Back to before 1910 or so. There was coke in Coke and a lot of folks swigged on their patent medicine bottles.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:37 pm
Frog 9:35 the upper atmosphere
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:37 pm
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:35 pm
________
There are not any solutions. Next question.
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
9:39 pm
“Recon, you prove my point,”
No Jay, you proved mine. Anyone who followed my posts on the Travon Martin tragedy and there were more than just a few, know my opinions based on facts that I’m familiar with regarding armed self defense.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:39 pm
Oscar
Aren’t you a pessimist…..
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:40 pm
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:39 pm
_______
I perfer the term realist. And that is real. See the middle east.
If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)
April 24th, 2012
9:42 pm
Jay
April 24th, 2012
7:35 pm
And I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear that kayaker believes it’s all about race.
Who would have guessed that he would say such a thing?!
______________________________________________________________________
Yet, you have NOTHING to say about gm’s posts.
If he/she posts 100 times, 98 of them will have a racial tone.
Even if the topic is about the Chevy Volt.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:42 pm
Oscar
So you prefer to accept the miserable economic circumstances of black males, their crime prone future, and say nothing can be done?
I do not.
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
9:43 pm
Taps…y’all enjoy the evening
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:43 pm
Oscar
if it doesn’t work we can
change it.
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:44 pm
Oscar
To be “nativist”, I don’t care about the Arabs
I care about my fellow Americans though
To compare the two is deviant
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:44 pm
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:42 pm
++++++++++++
So what is your solution, sport.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:44 pm
Those “facts that I’m familiar with regarding armed self defense” have nothing to do with how the justice system responded, Recon.
The biggest unassailable truth in that tragedy is that if Trayvon had been the survivor and Mr. Zimmerman the dead man, Trayvon would have been in jail and charged.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:45 pm
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:43 pm
Oscar
if it doesn’t work we can
change it.
_____
You, just you and I, the two of us, can change it. What is it, by the way?
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:45 pm
“if it doesn’t work we can
change it.”
With congress though it will probably take 50 years between changes
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
9:45 pm
I’d like to know that myself since SFD is generally one of the more restrained and courteous folks on the blog.
josef, if you’re still around–
the offensive part of my post was (in retrospect, and being brutally self-honest) indulging in some Bud Wiser-esque potshots at some regulars here, and I assume that’s what got the post pulled.
But the meat of my post, i think, bears repeating so I will quote it again, somewhat Bowdlerized:
————-
What [jm] said was [foolish] because of this–something EVERYONE ELSE, far as I can tell, have missed as well about the couple [who were trying to get into their house], to wit:
who moved to the U.S. from Zaire in the late 1990s to escape persecution from the brutal Mobutu regime
Do you snivelling little [excrements] posting here have any [fornicating] idea what these people have experienced? What kind of triggers occurred when these lunatics held them at gunpoint with AR15s?
No. You do not.
————————
so, now you know what got me in trouble.
And I stand by those sentiments. I’m floored that nobody here seems to give a crap that this couple had surely experienced unbelievable horrors in their native land, and had a reasonable expectation of something better here.
And damn it, I expect better of Americans, and America.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:46 pm
Oscar, as I noted earlier, we’ve already made a lot of progress. The crime statistics indicate that.
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
9:46 pm
“Let’s talk solutions since everyone has admitted there’s a problem”
A bit premature since no one agrees as to WHAT the problem is.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:46 pm
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:44 pm
Oscar
To be “nativist”, I don’t care about the Arabs
I care about my fellow Americans though
To compare the two is deviant
__________
To separate Arabs and say you don’t care about them is devient, uncivilized, and not Christian.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:48 pm
Jay, progress has been made, but solutions have not been achieved. The war against crime and poverty, and racism will always be here with us and our descendants.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:49 pm
Agreed, Oscar.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:49 pm
Anyway,, it’s nice to all sit around and talk about how we are not raciest, and we want to solve the problem. Except for Native who hates Arabs.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:50 pm
Just my way of pointing out that this is a lot term problem and there are no quick fixes.
Tester
April 24th, 2012
9:52 pm
“And while solving it is a much more difficult problem, it is also true that the statistics are a lot better than they were 20 years ago. Progress is being made.”
FYI!
Demographics cloud optimism on black violent crime decrease
Using arrest statistics from 1980 to 2008 in California and New York, two states that include a Hispanic category, the recalculated national figures indicated that the black percentage of assault increased slightly from 42 percent to 44 percent and homicide increased from 57 percent to 65 percent. There was a small decline in robbery, from 57 percent to 54 percent.
Enjoy.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
9:55 pm
You can’t solve a problem, but you can work toward a solution.
Robert (Bobby) Kennedy 1968
Native
April 24th, 2012
9:58 pm
Oscar 9:44 see above
Hank Ezell
April 24th, 2012
9:58 pm
Thanks, Jay
Josef
April 24th, 2012
10:00 pm
SFD
Thanks.
Oscar
The solution? Education and job training in sustainable life skills with widened apertures, the haves giving back something to help the have nots help themselves…I.e. Leaving the world s better place for our having passed through…
Native
April 24th, 2012
10:01 pm
“The war against crime and poverty, and racism will always be here with us and our descendants.”
I think that is small minded
Native
April 24th, 2012
10:03 pm
The results of mediocre expectations on display…..
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
10:03 pm
“The war against crime and poverty, and racism…”
The best way to make allies out of foes is to give them a common enemy.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
10:04 pm
Hank
are you Oscar’s lawyer?
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
10:07 pm
Leaving the world s better place for our having passed through…
+++++++++++
Josep, you win the prize. That’s the best we can do.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
10:10 pm
Stay the course.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
10:10 pm
“Using arrest statistics from 1980 to 2008 in California and New York, two states that include a Hispanic category, the recalculated national figures indicated that the black percentage of assault increased slightly from 42 percent to 44 percent and homicide increased from 57 percent to 65 percent. There was a small decline in robbery, from 57 percent to 54 percent.”
Excellent! That posting illustrates the problem perfectly, Tester.
Tester cites data to the effect that the SHARE of crime committed by black Americans is about the same or in some cases a little higher than it was in 1980. Here’s what he doesn’t say: The crime rate in general is a LOT lower today than 30 years ago. The murder rate, for example, is about half what it was back then.
In other words, total crime is down a lot, while the share of black crime is about the same or a little higher. The mathematical result is that black crime is down significantly, even if the SHARE of crimes committed by black Americans hasn’t changed much. The very source that Tester cites tells us the same things:
“It is the case that violent crime rates are lower today for blacks, as they also are for other race groupings, but the black percentage of violent crime is about the same today as in 1980,” Steffensmeier said.
But to Tester, the fact that violent crime rates today are significantly lower for black Americans — according to the source that he himself cites — must be ignored.
Good night, all. Braves are on, and I’m headed to bed to listen for a while.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
10:10 pm
Oscar
how is bobby doing with
the problem solving?
RB from Gwinnett
April 24th, 2012
10:14 pm
Any chance we could get you liberals to wear a shirt/pin/hat/bandanna or something to identify yourselves so the rest of us know whether or not to bother coming to your rescue if you’re ever attacked, held up, robbed, anything? We wouldn’t want to offend you by getting involved in something that’s clearly not our business.
I guess we could offer to call the police and sit with you until they arrive…
1811/0311
April 24th, 2012
10:16 pm
“I do find it odd how quickly and enthusiastically these stories of white people victimized by black perpetrators get spread. Is there an email list out there? A website? Oh, of course there is: Drudge.
It’s almost as if these stories fill a certain need among certain folks. I wonder what that need is.”
The need is to show the unvarnished truth about black on white crime ! And …………… when a black suspect is acquitted how quickly whites take to the streets in rioting !
All crime is terrible whether it’s black on white, white on black or green on green.
Let’s just try to be as concerned about all categories. Is that asking too much ????
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
10:19 pm
“…bother coming to your rescue if you’re ever attacked, held up, robbed, anything?”
Is this in any way referencing the Canoles case?
1811/0311
April 24th, 2012
10:27 pm
Ah …………… more “Arab Spring” !
Headline (CBS): “Egypt comedian found guilty of insulting Islam”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57419987/egypt-comedian-found-guilty-of-insulting-islam/
RAMZAD
April 24th, 2012
10:28 pm
I am quite sure that Republicans and Right Wing fascists are more concerned about three things: the immigration status of the Kalonjis, how much welfare they have already received, and the rights for the two Bubuh morons and the inept police who humiliated this couple.
If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)
April 24th, 2012
10:31 pm
RB from Gwinnett
April 24th, 2012
10:14 pm
______________________________________________________________________
RB, do you have to work at being a dyck, or is it natural?
That Black Guy
April 24th, 2012
10:34 pm
Jay, any comment on gm’s perpetually bigoted posts?
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
10:36 pm
TBG
As a betting my man………. I would say a natural, but even the best gambler doesn’t win them all
Hope you are having a good week………
Peace
1811/0311
April 24th, 2012
10:39 pm
“If I Wanted America to Fail”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
RB from Gwinnett
April 24th, 2012
10:39 pm
Spreading the liberal HATE this evening I see TBG. Didn’t you get the memo liberals are supposed to be the inclusive party of “we love everybody”? Or is that just another liberal lie?
Jimmy62
April 24th, 2012
10:41 pm
I agree totally, Jay. Defending yourself is one thing, but arming yourself and going into someone else’s house because you see suspicious movement is whole different matter. Definitely nothing to do with the Second Amendment or any right defend one’s self.
RB from Gwinnett
April 24th, 2012
10:45 pm
That’s funny… The guy calls me a D in one post and then whines about somebody’s bigoted posts in the next one.
That Black Guy
April 24th, 2012
10:52 pm
Jay, I understand if you don’t want to answer my question.
good nite all.
Get Real
April 24th, 2012
10:55 pm
I read this article before the Canoles were arrested and rightfully so but Jay, let’s not blow this out of proportion…
1811/0311
April 24th, 2012
10:56 pm
“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.”
Author Unknown
1811/0311
April 24th, 2012
10:57 pm
Get Real :
Jay doesn’t like people protecting themselves …………….. period.
td
April 24th, 2012
11:00 pm
Jimmy62
April 24th, 2012
10:41 pm
I agree totally, Jay. Defending yourself is one thing, but arming yourself and going into someone else’s house
I have read similar post and am not trying to argue with you but where in the Constitution of SCOTUS opinion that says property rights supersede and individuals right to “keep and bare arms”?