Second Amendment is not an excuse for vigilantes
So you’re sitting at home minding your own business and you hear noises from the place next door, which hasn’t been occupied for months.
You look outside and see two people, an older man and woman, at the front of the place, trying to open the door. What do you do?
Bake your new neighbors a pie? Call the police to report strangers next door?
Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, were held at gunpoint by neighbors outside the home their son had just purchased for them.
If you’re Robert Canoles of Porterville, you apparently take it upon yourself to grab your teenaged son, arm him and yourself with AR-15s, then march next door to confront and hold the terrified couple at gunpoint until sheriff deputies arrive.
Read the story by the AJC’s Christian Boone. Once deputies arrived, the older couple were arrested, charged with loitering and prowling and forced to spend the night in jail. Nobody paid much heed to their explanation that their son had just purchased the empty house and that they were changing the locks at the place they planned to make their new home.
But it turned out they were telling the truth.
As a result, the couple has been freed. Canoles and his son, on the other hand, have been arrested, charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass. They now sit in jail.
“I don’t know what they can charge me with,” Canoles is quoted as saying before the arrest. “This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own.”
The good news is that this time, nobody got injured or killed, which under the circumstances was a definite possibility. But it also illustrates what can happen when loose talk about “Second Amendment rights” becomes translated in certain minds into a license to become vigilantes.
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
7:39 pm
“but pointing a weapon went too far.”
It would probably be a safe bet that if they had looked out and seen 2 big, fit, tough looking guys doing the exact same thing they would have stayed safely in their house and called the police from safety.
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:40 pm
Doggone
@ 7:35
Priceless!
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
7:41 pm
“Priceless!”
I’ve been trying to cut WAY down on correcting what are obviously errors made in haste, especially when it’s perfectly clear what meant…but sometimes the temptation is just too much to bear!
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:42 pm
Heathen
We live in terror that the producers of Hoarders are going to find out about us!
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
7:43 pm
Jay
April 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
“And I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear that gm believes it’s all about race.
Who would have guessed that he would say such a thing?!”
I did a simple typo correction as well as a timestamp correction to express Jay’s earlier outrage over gm’s usual racebaiting.
1811/0311
April 24th, 2012
7:46 pm
JAY:
Why don’t you concentrate more on these kinds of incidents?
Too bad this guy didn’t have an authorized machine gun !!!
Headline: “Mob beats man unconscious on his front porch… ”
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/35/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
7:48 pm
@Mama Says:
DannyX
April 24th, 2012
6:21 pm
“But
I will bet that not one of you liberal bafoons have ever lived in the country and that you have no idea what looking out for each other really means.”
Who exactly were the Canoles looking our for dear?
Neighbors they hadn’t seen for at least 7 months?
Protecting the interests of BofA who had foreclosed on the house?
Isn’t equally likely that Homer and his son Gilligan simply saw an opportunity to go play Rambo with live ammunition?
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:49 pm
THULSA
It’s like Doug Kershaw said about “C*ona*s” (the blue nose has snagged me in the past on that one!) “It depends on whether you call me a d*mn C*ona*ss or not, and you don’t have to say the word damn for me to know what you mean…”
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
7:50 pm
Actually that’s not true…I’m usually pretty tolerant of people born outside the South (bless their hearts), it’s supercilious and arrogant ones from Up North down here being rude that rile me.
josef–I’ve lived in the South long enough (31 years) to recognize that the term “Yankee” is not an endearing term. In your mind it may be somewhat neutral because it’s essentially a geographical term, but in my mind it would be equivalent to me referring to Brosephus as “that Negro”. On its face a neutral term, but the denigrating intent is pretty clear.
My suggestion to you is that if you run across rude people, which includes anyone who feels justified in insulting their new Southern home, then you identify them as such: rude people. The broad condemnation built into the “Yankee” label doesn’t behoove an otherwise nice person such as yourself.
The only thing worse than being a jerk in my book is to be a jerk and then try to defend it. I’d like to believe that you are better than that.
weetamoe
April 24th, 2012
7:51 pm
I bet they were almost as scared as Luckovich says he was when those black kids sat too close to him at centennial Olympic Park.
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
7:51 pm
@Doggone
your original version:
“when it’s perfectly clear what meant…but sometimes the temptation is just too much to bear!”
corrected version:
“when it’s perfectly clear what was meant…but sometimes the temptation is just too much to bear!”
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:51 pm
Look before Leap
Those thoughts had crossed my mind, too…back where I came from, whenever faced with a foreclosure the neighbors looked out for the unfortunate and helped them through…must’ve been BofA…
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
7:53 pm
Isn’t equally likely that Homer and his son Gilligan simply saw an opportunity to go play Rambo with live ammunition?
But that’s what us country folk do, dontcha know. Why just the other day, I heard this rustling noise out in the woods and the first thing that come to my mind was that there was an old married couple out there scouting out the neighborhood. Thankfully, before I could acquire an appropriately sized arsenal to properly address the perceived danger, the bunny hopped out of the woods and made itself known to me. What a relief it was.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
7:53 pm
Scout,
Too bad that guy that took the mob beating couldn’t a had the canoles there. 2 AR-15s is exactly what that mob needed to be introduced to.
Don't Forget
April 24th, 2012
7:53 pm
Mama Says
Like I said I would have gotten my gun, put it my pocket ( wouldn’t take the big one) and walked over and said hello. I would not have pointed my gun at them and I imagine if I talked to them I would have found out who they were. I would have introduced myself and most likely invited them fishing when they got comfortable in the new home. But I would have walked over and made sure they belonged, it’s what you are suppose to do for your neighbor, new or old ones.
I would have no problem with that. But being a stranger isn’t a crime, pointing a gun at someone and detaining them is.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
7:54 pm
Is anyone else having trouble getting the AJC page or Jay’s blog page to load?? It’s taking up to a few minutes for me. Don’t know if it’s a local ISP problem or a problem with the AJC site.
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:55 pm
BRUNO
Oh, please, Girlfriend! Do I get in such a dither when I get called a Reb or a Rebel? Not really, it’s most often said with a gentleness of spirit and, yes, “endearing.”
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
7:56 pm
The county I live in sends
notice to the sheriff of
property transfers so
this may be more than
just sloppy policing and
the concerned neighbor
could be
a failed property buyer.
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:56 pm
BRUNO
@ 7:54
Yep.
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
7:57 pm
Bruno – it’s fine for me, not slow at all.
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:57 pm
Frog
@ 7:56
I hadn’t thought of that…could be.
Mama Says
April 24th, 2012
7:58 pm
Pretty funning taxpayer, of course I was remis in assuming that everyone knows race is not the motivating factor in every act a white person takes. Native you are the exact person I was talking about. The fact is that it does happen to white folk. You may prefer to believe it is only darker skin folks but you are wrong, see when white people point guns at each other it ain’t on TV, much like when 18 out of 20 black murder victims are not spoken of when a black person is the kille.
Hey Jay, come on the closest you have been to country life is when you go on the river boat ride at Disney. By the way isn’t it a little late for you to be paying attention to what we argue about ?
Native
April 24th, 2012
7:59 pm
Bruno’s
U must be OTP
Web doesn’t work OTP. Jays blog in particular
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:01 pm
Oh, please, Girlfriend! Do I get in such a dither when I get called a Reb or a Rebel? Not really, it’s most often said with a gentleness of spirit and, yes, “endearing.”
Girlfriend!?!?!?! So, does that make PB a lesbian?? I’ll have to check with her, she might like switching roles for a while.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:03 pm
Native–Right now I’m waaaay OTP, about 120 miles.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:03 pm
MAMA
The Imam? South Mississippi ain’t the most urban area, y’know! Funny thing, but I’ve Jay to be a lot more the peasant than the urbane sophisticate! He has no trouble understanding my language and frame of reference when it’s put in “country terms…”
Droid
April 24th, 2012
8:04 pm
Vewy intewesting
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120423143128.htm
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:04 pm
Enter your comments here
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
8:04 pm
@Thulsa Doom
“Too bad that guy that took the mob beating couldn’t a had the canoles there. 2 AR-15s is exactly what that mob needed to be introduced to.”
Perhaps, but we don’t know 2 things from the story as published:
What the victim said to the kids.
What the kids told the adults he said.
Not saying that anything that was said would justify getting getting beaten senseless by a mob, but if there were threats against the children involved, that might at least offer an explanation.
I don’t think we have the entire story.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:05 pm
Careful Bruno
PB might not switch back
and make you her beyotch.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:05 pm
BRUNO
That girlfriend thingie…sometimes you just strike me as a silly queen, thass all…and, hey, from this end of the spectrum, that’s not a bad thing!
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:05 pm
Well that explains it!
Those electrons take a while to travel OTP. Getting over the 285 traffic is the main problem.
Queen
April 24th, 2012
8:08 pm
I see a little silhouette of a man……
Jay
April 24th, 2012
8:08 pm
I do find it odd how quickly and enthusiastically these stories of white people victimized by black perpetrators get spread. Is there an email list out there? A website? Oh, of course there is: Drudge.
It’s almost as if these stories fill a certain need among certain folks. I wonder what that need is.
Don't Forget
April 24th, 2012
8:10 pm
Hope they catch every person in that mob. What an absolute disgrace and they are criminals. If he dies, and don’t be so sure he won’t, it might “technically” be called a lynching.
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:10 pm
Jay 8:08
Blame Al Gore
freeper
April 24th, 2012
8:11 pm
Vigilantes, huh? We’ve seen no less than four specific attacks on white people by groups of black people. The latest victim in Mobile, AL where one of the perps leaving the scene said “that’s justice for Trayvon!” Where’s the media on those attacks? Where’s Jesse? Al? How about THAT vigilantism? Not a peep.
Chirp, chirp, chirp. Anyway, we all know that the right to own a gun and have the potential to use it to defend your life and your property gets the liberals soiling themselves. But you have to ask something: why do the same liberals that get upset at guns being used in instances like this sit back and say nothing about gun violence in the inner cities when it’s black on black violence? Besides, we’ve seen how well so-called handgun bans work in Chicago and Washington DC. Liberals love to trot out the Wild West vigilante hysteria every time you hear of a story like this. Everything else as mentioned is dead-powdered cannon fodder.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:11 pm
and, hey, from this end of the spectrum, that’s not a bad thing!
Glad I could stoke your fantasies, then. Just be aware that I sent you the “G” rated photos. The other ones are somewhere out in cyberspace…….
and, hey, from this end of the spectrum, that’s not a bad thing!
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
8:12 pm
Jay to your point at 8:08, several people here would apparently be right at home blogging at Stormfront.
josef, re your 7:55, how about traitor? (Big sh*teating grin!)
Droid, indeed. But it’s gonna PO more than a few in the rabid “the government can’t do anything right” gang if it turns out that two scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory find this breakthrough…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLpu2UP3rGI
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:13 pm
JAY
@ 8:08
You’re being a bit disingenuous there…of course Black folks do it, so do White folks…equality, ain’t it grand?
Now, as far as it being used to stoke the flames…of course it is…
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:13 pm
Oops–Didn’t change out the cut-n-paste content. This goes with my 8:11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHXqQOwLytg
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
8:13 pm
“but if there were threats against the children involved, that might at least offer an explanation.”
Um. No. it doesn’t. And you’re really stretching with that. And even if that were the case then it becomes a police matter. Not a matter of a group of 20 thugs beating a man into the ICU unit. It doesn’t matter what the hell the man said seeing as how there is no justification for 20 thugs attacking one man no matter what was said. All that matters is that later on 20 people came over in a mob attack and beat the man to an inch of his life. End of story.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:15 pm
It’s almost as if these stories fill a certain need among certain folks. I wonder what that need is.
Probably the same need filled by Libs who only focus on cases in which a Black person is victimized, you being one of those Libs, Jay.
freeper
April 24th, 2012
8:15 pm
“I do find it odd how quickly and enthusiastically these stories of white people victimized by black perpetrators get spread. Is there an email list out there? A website? Oh, of course there is: Drudge.”
Yes there are Jay, they just aren’t reported in the same main stream media that already made Zimmerman guilty (and certainly not with the same zealot energy). Are we going to see Brian Williams talk about the Mobile beating? Or are we going to see Chris Matthews chastised for referring to the GOP in front of Michael Steele as the Klan Party? The main stream media stopped doing it’s job – objective reporting – years ago. The “new media” that you liberals despise grew from that lapse, and will continue to grow.
I remember
April 24th, 2012
8:16 pm
A vigilant is one who takes the law into his own hands by puinishing a crime. While Jay would like to use the word Vigilante because of its emotional weight, this situation hardly qualifies. Of course what Jay really wants is to abrogate our constitutional rights by eliminating or restricting private gun ownership. He is glad to use an emotional word to further his agenda. Jay, like his buddies Madow and Moore, are pretty cavlier with our rights as well as the language.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
8:16 pm
No, Jamvet, Stormfront is several bridges too far. I’d have to disagree pretty strongly on that one.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:16 pm
ZamVet
Not a traitor myself, but descended as the Spanish gitanos say, de las cuatro costas from ‘em! I prefer the term “separatist”
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:16 pm
Election years bring out
the best/beast in people.
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
8:17 pm
bookman, 8:08,
We cannot help it if you are so naive as to assume that race has nothing to do with crime stats. You cannot be so. You continue to deny the obvious in the name of what?…. some kind of liberal premise that every one of us is cut from the same mold and will perform the same way? I cannot believe that a person of your intelligence….. you have to know better. It is right before your eyes…. every day…. and you still deny it. Liberals in general have their head in the sand. They do not want to believe the obvious. It is mind boggling.
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:17 pm
What on earth is stormfront? Other than a meteorological phenomenon?
Jay
April 24th, 2012
8:18 pm
Really freeper? How odd then that all the links posted here go back to mainstream media outlets, which allegedly don’t report things like this.
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:19 pm
Frog
Don’t drink the formaldehyde
Lakeisha Jackson
April 24th, 2012
8:19 pm
@ David Granger
re: 5:46
You certainly make a valid point. But as many people have pointed out…some more cogently than others…there’s a racial element (sadly) to this situation as well. And that pretty much influences the way people view it.
Some people want to believe that the Canoles saw a Black couple and just automatically “profiled” them to be thieves trying to break in. And they also believe that the police did the same thing: Black folks trying to break in someobody’s house, so let’s just take ‘em in.
If it happened to me, I’d be pissed…especially if I tried to explain to the sheriff’s deputies what was going on, and they didn’t even bother to check but just hauled me off to jail. Like most Black people, I’ve been in situations where I believe “profiling” was an element, and it is exasperating.
Nobody KNOWS exactly what was going on in the Canoles’ mind. They may well have been racists figuring that these Black folks are up to no good. Or they may well have just figured that…since the house had been vacant for so long…it would be easy pickings for a burglar, and thought they’d be good neighbors and go stop what might well be a break-in, until the police came and straightened things out. (I’m guessing they ARE the ones who called the Sheriff’s Office? That’s a point in their favor, if so.)
As redneck a move as it might be to just grab your guns and go brandishing them at an elderly couple…I do hate that the Canoles are the ones in the most trouble. I agree with you that it seems like the sheriff’s deputies are the ones who should have ended this very quickly and without a lot of people getting ticked off…and CERTAINLY without the Kalonji’s having to spend a night in jail.
I asked my mother her opinion about this, and she read the story. And when she saw the picture of a Black man with what appears to be a White woman, she stated that she wishes the Canoles had shot him. (Like I said, race pretty much influences the way we react to things like this.)
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
8:20 pm
What I find particularly disgusting here lately is this preoccupation with incidents involving white people using fire arms against Black people, clearly designed to inflame racial tension and to undermine 2nd. Amendment rights. There was an AJC headline this morning saying something about a grandmother who used her gun to ward off an attacker. I didn’t have time to read the article. Nothing about those occurrences on this blog and there have been several incidents of citizens protecting themselves and their property right here in Atlanta through the use of a firearm. Jay doesn’t like to discuss those situations even though they’ve been reported by his news organization.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:21 pm
Droid @ 8:04–Great link. I’ve been putting my hope in nuclear fusion for a while now. Nothing would please me more than for the Ayrabs to start having to eat their nasty petroleum.
But it’s gonna PO more than a few in the rabid “the government can’t do anything right” gang if it turns out that two scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory find this breakthrough…
Jam–Is it ever possible for you simply to enjoy human achievement without putting it into some political framework??
BTW–Tix are booked, we’ll be looking for you about 7:55 outside the Variety on Thursday.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:21 pm
I remember…
Uh, DO you remember Jay’s poll here on gun ownership? Some rather interesting results, especially from us liberals, and the slightly left of center Shariff was in the majority…
BADA BING
April 24th, 2012
8:23 pm
Did they have any Skittles? People don’t like Skittles.
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
8:25 pm
“A vigilant is one who takes the law into his own hands by puinishing a crime.”
A vigilante is someone who sets out to punish a person for a crime. Doesn’t matter if the person punished actually COMMITTED that crime or not…as long as there is punishment.
Mama Says
April 24th, 2012
8:25 pm
Jay,
I’ll bite,
The fact is the folks in your profession have access to the facts, you pick what you wish to report. You can play the southern belle routine if you like , who ? Little ole me ?
Both races are killed predominately by people of their on race, you know that.
You also know that although small over all in comparison, amoung inter racial murders, blacks kill whites slightly more than whites kill blacks. The stats are there for print and TV media to report, however you don’t.
More to the point, when the media propagates the myth that blacks are victimized all the time by whites and you fail to provide truth to an already hot topic, whites that know the truth, tend to wonder why responsible adults who have high quality educations don’t correct the slant.
In plan speak, I challenge you to find anyone who truthfully believes that it is safer for anyone to walk through a gated inter city housing project than it is to walk through a gated high brow white suburban community.
If the media would hold everyone to the truth the verbally race problem could improve but as long as your peers fail to do their job the fire will still burn bright.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:25 pm
NATIVE
Stormfront? Was that sarcasm or do you really not know. If you don’t and you’re not afraid of having it cybertracked, go googling and find out…scary bidness that lot…
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
8:25 pm
Bruno & Fred
You’re talking to somebody who grew up in small town Alabama, so I know what it’s like when neighbors have your back. That said, if they really thought something was going on, I’m pretty damned sure they have a pair of binoculars around somewhere. It would have took all of 5 mins to sit back and watch what they were doing while contacting 911 instead of running over and pulling a Rambo. For the guy to involve his son is even worse.
If I think something’s bad going down, why would I risk my son’s life? For that matter, why would I risk mine, and I’m trained for that kind of stuff?
You DID read the part where this is an 11 acre property didn’t you? It’s not like it was in a down town cul-de-sac………….
And I’m sure there were trees or brush they could have sat behind and watched to see what was going on. Even with all the training I have, I know that sometimes it’s better to be a great witness instead of a potential casualty. From what I know and have seen, I can’t excuse people for jeopardizing their life for material crap. That stuff can be replaced, your life can’t.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
8:26 pm
I for one am glad to see Jay’s unbiased approach in his selection of stories to post. Who else would go to the trouble of searching out a story where the victims include a black and a white. And on top of that, a male and a female. Such diversity in victimhood.
Droid
April 24th, 2012
8:27 pm
Jamvet 8:12
Funding basic research and development such as this is one of the best things the government can do. Funding uneconomical technology in perpetuity is more questionable.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
8:28 pm
as long as there is punishment.
I thought it was so long as vengeance is done.
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
8:28 pm
“If I think something’s bad going down, why would I risk my son’s life? For that matter, why would I risk mine, and I’m trained for that kind of stuff?”
As I said earlier, chances are if the people at the other house had been 2 big, fit, tough looking guys…they’d have done exactly what you said. if you get my drift…
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
8:28 pm
I dunno. I like their odds with 2 AR-15s no matter who they run up on.
Take those two with their guns and put them up against someone who’s SRT trained and see what happens. Many people don’t know it, but there are hardcore gangbangers who have gone through military training and are walking the streets combat trained. Don’t let stereotypes set you up for failure.
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:29 pm
Josef 8:25
Never heard of it. Given that description I think I’ll just pass…..
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
8:29 pm
“I thought it was so long as vengeance is done”
I think that’s a distinction without a difference
Look before I leap...
April 24th, 2012
8:29 pm
@Thulsa Doom
Put away the indignation.
I was clear that any alleged threats would not be a justification.
And yes the 20 “thugs” should be brought to justice.
What is not clear is why the adults mobbed up and attacked.
I am having difficulty believing it was a case of “daddy,. daddy ole man Spooner was mean to me”.
I don’t think we have the whole story yet.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:29 pm
What I find particularly disgusting here lately is this preoccupation with incidents involving white people using fire arms against Black people, clearly designed to inflame racial tension and to undermine 2nd. Amendment rights.
The bottom line, Recon, is that the media continues to try to advance a narrative in which Black folks need to be afraid of Whites. And as I said in Jay’s initial race-baiting post last month, there was a time in this country when that narrative was valid. But, those days are long gone according to actual crime statistics. In fact, it’s far more likely for a White to be a victim of a Black criminal than the other way around. Yet, when you review the “hate crime” stats, it turns out that a White person is 28 times more likely to be charged with a hate crime. I’ll be happy to provide the links to back all this up if anyone disputes these stats.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
8:30 pm
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
7:54 pm
Is anyone else having trouble getting the AJC page or Jay’s blog page to load?? It’s taking up to a few minutes for me. Don’t know if it’s a local ISP problem or a problem with the AJC site.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
It happens to e regularly but I use firefox. I HAVE hoqwever noticed that today it has been particularly bad. When I look to see what the hold up is it says: Waiting for that piece of sht Meebo that the AJC foisted upon you to load………….
Once meebo loads the page loads. That IS if I stay around that long. Meebo is the reason I have been on less frequently…….
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
8:31 pm
taxpayer, 8:28,
“Jays unbiased approach”…..hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahh!!!!!!
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
8:31 pm
Jam–Is it ever possible for you simply to enjoy human achievement without putting it into some political framework??
Nope. Never. /snarc/
Looking forward to tomorrow evening, budaroo. It should be monstrous…
http://www.greglake.com/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBfCzhYbWBk
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
8:32 pm
Nothing about those occurrences on this blog and there have been several incidents of citizens protecting themselves and their property right here in Atlanta through the use of a firearm.
Recon
Grandma has been brought up numerous times as well as a discussion about a White girl who was shot by White men. You were not around when they were brought up.
—————————
Doggone @ 8:28
You’re probably on to something with that…
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
8:35 pm
Droid, from nuclear power to an uncountable number of pharmaceuticals to the space program to meteorology/climatology to a vast array of other endeavors, Uncle Sam has kicked R&D ass and taken names.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZcYP00b2FI
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
8:36 pm
Vigilante’s make me want to laugh if it wasn’t so pathetic. Here we have real street crimes committed daily. Home invasions, car jackings, gang violence, molestations, kidnappings illegal aliens committing crimes and we’re discussing vigilante’s as though we really have an issue with White gun owning vigilante’s terrorizing America. What a pathetic left wing joke.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:38 pm
If the media would hold everyone to the truth the verbally race problem could improve but as long as your peers fail to do their job the fire will still burn bright.
Unfortunately, Mama, the media is only concerned about the bottom line: money. Race-based stories apparently sell more papers and lead to increased blog counts. So what if it keeps the racial pot stirred up and leads to further violence?? More stories to sell more papers.
You’d think some journalists would have a little integrity…..Only a half-step above attorneys on my own personal Scum Scale.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
8:38 pm
Personally, I think Jay would show much more bias if he were to report on such stories as the one scout, et al, have presented. The one with the white guy that apparently got a whooping. I wonder if they have identified a perp or if they have any knowledge of the motive or anything that would help to make the story at least quasi-compelling. Was it a hate crime. Anything to make it a story other than it shows a white guy that’s beat up. Was he a part of an OWS crowd perhaps.
Vigilantes
April 24th, 2012
8:39 pm
Its what’s under your bed.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:39 pm
Definition of VIGILANTE
: a member of a volunteer
committee organized to
suppress and punish crime
summarily (as when the
processes of law are viewed
as inadequate); broadly : a
self-appointed doer of justice -merriam-webster
Soothsayer
April 24th, 2012
8:39 pm
Gwinnett man charged with shooting neighbor’s house (AJC)
The man allegedly admitted to police he was in a heated argument with his wife when he grabbed his gun and started shooting.
Sometimes you just got to show that beech who’s boss!
Jay
April 24th, 2012
8:39 pm
You also know that although small over all in comparison, amoung inter racial murders, blacks kill whites slightly more than whites kill blacks. The stats are there for print and TV media to report, however you don’t.
First of all, Mama, what exact lesson do you intend to be drawn from that claim? Spit it out, please.
Second of all, let’s do a little basic statistical review, shall we?
For purposes of simplicity, let’s ballpark it and say that 10 percent of the population is black and 60 percent is white. So if a black person commits a crime, and if all else is equal, the odds are fairly high that the victim is white, simply because there are a lot more white people in the potential victim base.
Conversely, if the perp is white, the odds that his victim is black will be pretty small, because again, black people are a relatively small proportion of the potential victim base.
But here’s the bottom line in all this:
Some folks here believe that this is some kind of accounting process: How many of us are victim of them, vs how many of them are victim of us? And that is an amoral, foolish and archaic way to think of things. It’s downright bizarre in fact.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:40 pm
NATIVE
It’s probably the best you not…I have to keep up with these loonies…I don’t go there because I want to…
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
8:40 pm
Brosephus, do you think we have issues with Black criminals committing crimes against White people or is that a minor consideration that should be disregarded?
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:41 pm
It would have took all of 5 mins to sit back and watch what they were doing while contacting 911 instead of running over and pulling a Rambo. For the guy to involve his son is even worse.
Bro–Once again, I’m not defending the Canoles, the police, or even the new homeowners. I think there were enough missteps all around to implicate everyone involved. I do feel badly for the new homeowners that they were forced to spend the night in jail. I’ve seen the inside of a few police stations in my day, but was never held overnight.
Droid
April 24th, 2012
8:41 pm
Im personally looking forward to the self driving cars….
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
8:42 pm
And here I thought Jay was just trying to keep it real and local with his talk of crime in metro Atlanta. Y’all do know that Newton County is a part of the metro area.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
8:42 pm
Mama, the media is only concerned about the bottom line: money. Race-based stories apparently sell more papers and lead to increased blog counts.
Your thinking is on the right track, but I think you’re way too restrictive in your thought. The media thrives on sensationalism. It doesn’t matter if it’s race related, involving someone famous, or involving something horrific. You’re right though, it’s all about money. Furthermore, it’s all protected by the 1st Amendment.
“Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you.”
–Patrick Henry
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
8:43 pm
Some folks here believe that this is some kind of accounting process: How many of us are victim of them, vs how many of them are victim of us? And that is an amoral, foolish and archaic way to think of things. It’s downright bizarre in fact.
No, Jay, what’s truly bizarre is the intentional focus by you and others on inter-racial crime when it only forms a tiny percentage of all crime committed. Care to explain your “bizarre” fascination with inter-racial crime??
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
April 24th, 2012
8:44 pm
Paul, should have made clear, I meant the Merry Minuet. Next subject: I am not familiar with storefront or Snooki. I do remember Snooky Lanson, tho. Yeah, am no longer a young chick.
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Oh, I am experiencing a bit of loading delay, too, on my iPAD.
josef
April 24th, 2012
8:44 pm
Like I say repeated here, this race baiting is mired in a black white dichotomy. Nobody seems to give a sh*t about the rape statistics among American Indian women by white and black and brown men and THAT makes things like this pale in comparison. But as al Shariff so aptly put it, that’s not of much interest around here…which translates, imauo, into “it doesn’t sell…”
Native
April 24th, 2012
8:44 pm
Josef,
I can only gather from previous comments that it’s a racist group. Klan? Sick.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
April 24th, 2012
8:45 pm
Oops, stormfront.
Old Goober
April 24th, 2012
8:46 pm
I’m bothered not a little by this story. First of all, what are a couple of country boys doing with a pair of semi-automatic military assault rifles? Is this what Second Amendment rights have come to in this country—that any untrained person is entitled to own just about any kind of weapon? Owning weapons like that amounts to more than mere self-defense. They are assault weapons, not merely self-defense weapons.
And I think I know a little about living in the country. I spent the first 18 years of my life on the outskirts of a community of 300 people, and I owned a shotgun from the time I first earned the money to buy one in the hayfields at the age of 8 while I was taking a draft horse to “shocks” and hauling the shocks to the haystack areas.
The story also resonates with me because I still own the little farm where I grew up. I hire somebody to keep the yard looking presentable and look in on the house, and I recently invested in a new riding mower for that person’s use on the property. He was concerned that somebody would break into the storage shed and steal the mower. He related to me the story of an outbreak of break-ins in the area. A life-long friend who owns a house across the road from my old home place has twice been a victim. He hasn’t elected to hide out with a weapon, waiting for the next occurrence—as I suspect many on this blog would. Rather, he has set up a motion-activated camera in a tree in an attempt to identify the next intruder.
And that more or less summarizes the changes in attitude in this country, the story behind the Stand Your Ground laws. We simply have too many people willing to shoot those they suspect are transgressing. I take no comfort in the fact that so many dimwits are legally permitted to own multiple deadly weapons and are even legally encouraged to use them. I beleive we’ve lost our way.
Scorekeeper
April 24th, 2012
8:47 pm
If we can just kill more of them than they kill of us, then, well we’ll have a whole lot of dead people.
Mission accomplished.
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
8:48 pm
Until such time as the Black community steps up along with left wing apologists and admit that there are significant crime problems involving a disproportionate number of young Black criminals that have nothing to do with White prejudice, we’ll never solve our racial divide.
KeepnItReal
April 24th, 2012
8:49 pm
That is exactly why I pack heat (just like “they” do), and will stand my ground (just like “they”) do. The constitution applies to me just as it does to “them”, and I will raise holy hell and use every legal resource available to me to enjoy MY right to it, just like “they” do.
Don't Forget
April 24th, 2012
8:50 pm
I don’t know if it was stormfront but somebody on the left posted a link to a similarly repulsive site a while back without warning what it was. They were accusing someone on the right of being racist. I was totally PO”d about it. I thought it was a really crappy thing to do and waaaay out of line.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
8:50 pm
White powder!
Jay
April 24th, 2012
8:50 pm
“Care to explain your “bizarre” fascination with inter-racial crime??
Yeah, sure: I have none.