Second Amendment is not an excuse for vigilantes
So you’re sitting at home minding your own business and you hear noises from the place next door, which hasn’t been occupied for months.
You look outside and see two people, an older man and woman, at the front of the place, trying to open the door. What do you do?
Bake your new neighbors a pie? Call the police to report strangers next door?
Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, were held at gunpoint by neighbors outside the home their son had just purchased for them.
If you’re Robert Canoles of Porterville, you apparently take it upon yourself to grab your teenaged son, arm him and yourself with AR-15s, then march next door to confront and hold the terrified couple at gunpoint until sheriff deputies arrive.
Read the story by the AJC’s Christian Boone. Once deputies arrived, the older couple were arrested, charged with loitering and prowling and forced to spend the night in jail. Nobody paid much heed to their explanation that their son had just purchased the empty house and that they were changing the locks at the place they planned to make their new home.
But it turned out they were telling the truth.
As a result, the couple has been freed. Canoles and his son, on the other hand, have been arrested, charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass. They now sit in jail.
“I don’t know what they can charge me with,” Canoles is quoted as saying before the arrest. “This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own.”
The good news is that this time, nobody got injured or killed, which under the circumstances was a definite possibility. But it also illustrates what can happen when loose talk about “Second Amendment rights” becomes translated in certain minds into a license to become vigilantes.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
April 24th, 2012
5:20 pm
PAUL
“…uniter not a divider…”
Back during the last election in the Vice-Presidential debates, Biden and Palin said the same thing on gay rights…Unmentionable said, “well, ain’t it nice to see them reach agreement across the aisle? Don’t it make you feel special…?”
Halftrack
April 24th, 2012
5:21 pm
What if – - – the couple had been trying to break into the house and they had firearms on them or other burglar tools or incendiary devices? The police are here to enforce the law, not to protect everyone. It takes common sense and an inquiring mind to assess some situations and circumstances. Sounds like good neighbors.
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
5:22 pm
Armed nitwits screwing with their neighbors and Newton County’s Keystone Cops, only holds my attention for so long.
The first song on their debut album, and a taste of things to come…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY3ZwMzynjc
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
5:23 pm
“One thing for sure, the lady business owner in Macon sure excercised her 2nd amendment right this past weekend and she is alive for it today. Research it Jay”
Pogo,
JV posted the link to this earlier @ 2:17. Its an interesting story. Feisty little lady all 4″11 of her. He said that the story had already been pulled down from the AJC though. Curious that Jay chooses to write a story on 2 yo yos who did something stupid as opposed to this story of a courageous lady using her 2nd amendment rights. But then that wouldn’t fit his narrative.
gm
April 24th, 2012
5:25 pm
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
gm, I honestly could not understand what you are tryig to say. other than the usual racially biased mess you usually
Amazing how a person is racially biased when the facts are in your face, when are you people going to come to grips that the people were sterotyped, the gunman were white, do I have to spell it out.
Once again, show me a case were a older white person had a dam gun pointed at them like this, or where a white kid got shot the same way martin did.
josef
April 24th, 2012
5:25 pm
HALFTRACK
Sound like dumbasses with no culture or breeding, imauo, common sense? L-rd, man, a blind fakir from forty paces would know Granny and Granddaddy were as benign as chocolate eclairs…ssshhheesh…
Proud to be me
April 24th, 2012
5:26 pm
There will always be people (a very few) who over-step their authority no matter what. Certainly, a call to the police would have been the right thing to do, however, this incident shouldn’t negate the right for people to have and carry guns.
josef
April 24th, 2012
5:28 pm
gm
Now, that one is just too funny for words…
FORMAL BLACK GUY
You bloody racist, you!
josef
April 24th, 2012
5:32 pm
For those of y’all arguing the Second Amendment, OREP pretty much summed it up the other day.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
5:32 pm
Doom
Google the name Summer Moody and ask yourself why you have not heard of that one either. She’s from Mobile too.
josef
April 24th, 2012
5:34 pm
DOOM
Do as Brosephus suggested…an interesting one, that….
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
5:34 pm
gm never does tire of his race baiting he don’t.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
5:40 pm
Bro,
Yes, I read about Summer Moody the other day when I was on al.com. It was kinda of an interesting story. Is there a point though other than that there will always be idiots with guns? I linked on Woodstock Mike’s link a page earlier on the other big event that happened in Mobile. Don’t ya know this poor guy was wishing the Canoles were his neighbor. Never heard a someone being beaten with paint cans.
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/31/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
5:41 pm
Bro and joseph,
Summer’s shooting actually was a big story in Alabama. It was on the front page of al.com.
Matti
April 24th, 2012
5:42 pm
Ah yes, the unarmed teenage girl hit by the “warning shot.” I read that story the other day, although race was not mentioned in the story — only how people seem to think it’s okay to shoot unarmed kids who are not threatening you, if you happen to hear a noise.
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
5:43 pm
jo, LOL at your 5:25.
And I too loved OREP’s clarification.
That guy rocks.
But only to cats who actually respect the language.
The first time I ever heard this stuff I was hanging out, getting buzzed in the ratskeller at the University of Tampa.
That place was one badass hippie juke joint…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EazOWX80mU
Orange 12
April 24th, 2012
5:45 pm
A case of good old “Southern Hospitality”!
David Granger
April 24th, 2012
5:46 pm
Trouble is, if you confront thieves who really ARE breaking into your neighbor’s house, and hold them at gunpoint…you’re perfectly within your rights. It’s just a big gamble whether or not you want to take that risk.
Sounds to me like the real people at fault here were the police. Why couldn’t they have just said “OK, put the guns down. Since the house has been on the market and vacant for awhile, we’re going to call in and check on things here. Just as soon as we verify that you good people really do own the house, then everything will be fine.”
And then everything would have been fine.
The Kalonjis might not like their neighbors, but they wouldn’t have been hassled and had to spend the night in jail. (Why didn’t they call their son then?)
One thing’s for sure. Every crook out there knows which house to break in now…because no matter what the neighbors might see going on, they’re not going to say bibbidy-squat.
josef
April 24th, 2012
5:51 pm
ORANGE
No, a case of what has happened to good, ole Southern hospitality…gone with the north wind that blew through Georgia, imauo….
josef
April 24th, 2012
5:54 pm
ZamVet
As you know, OREP is one of the few folks on Jay’s front porch that I’m skeered of (of whom I am skeered?
)
But he pretty well made the point that like it, lump it, love it, or leave it…that’s what it says in plain English…
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
5:56 pm
David Granger,
Its funny but no one seems to be mentioning the police in this story. How the hell the police can’t figure out or find a way to verify that these 2 people are the new owners is beyond me. If anything they should have been given the benefit of the doubt and been allowed to go home, their id’s written down, and been required to report to the police dept. the next day with proof of ownership or bill of sale or something. I can’t believe the cops held them overnight in jail.
philosopher
April 24th, 2012
5:56 pm
Yes, Woodstock Mike-that was also wrong-absolutely wrong- and without any justification of any sort. It cannot be justified. It was, however on the national news -I read it first thing this morning.
pogo
April 24th, 2012
5:57 pm
This week GE CEO Immelt felt the wrath of the class warfare and division that Obama has created and he is desperately promoting for the 2012 campaign. Even though Immelt is (or was) a big buddy of Obama’s and has visited the Obama Whitehouse many, many times as a chief “Economic” advisor these protesters chanted that they wanted Immelt and GE to pay their taxes. GE has benefitted tremendously from Obama’s radical EPA and their rulings in promotion of “Green Energy”. But now, as the desperate entitlement beast that Obama has created starts to consume itself, it is turning on one of its own. I love it. The old saying that is if you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas is coming home to people such as Immelt. Obama and his house of cards are about to fall down.
saywhat?
April 24th, 2012
6:01 pm
“No, a case of what has happened to good, ole Southern hospitality…gone with the north wind that blew through Georgia, imauo….”
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I beg to disagree. Southern hospitality has always been over rated, especially when applied to “outsiders”. North winds have nothing to do with it. I have been far more impressed by hospitality I have experienced in the midwest and in New England than any I have experienced in the south.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 24th, 2012
6:02 pm
gm
April 24th, 2012
5:25 pm
Amazing how a person is racially biased when the facts are in your face, – YOU ASSumed their motivation. You didn’t get that from the story.
when are you people going to come to grips that the people were sterotyped, – YOU ASSumed their motivation. You didn’t get that from the story.
the gunman were white, do I have to spell it out. – No you don’t have to spell it out. You see race in almost EVERY topic. You include race in almost EVERY post.
Once again, show me a case were a older white person had a dam gun pointed at them like this, or where a white kid got shot the same way martin did. – The story about the woman in Macon is a good example of your selected poutrage. SHE was profiled by those who wanted to rob her. Not a peep from you.
The guy in Baltimore was profiled. Not a peep from you.
The guy in Cleveland who was beat on his porch by people yelling “Justice for Trayvon”. Not a peep from you.
Believe me gm, we Black people do NOT need you or people like you defining racism. And, considering the stereotypes and broadbrush statements you make, we don’t want OR need your help.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 24th, 2012
6:05 pm
josef
April 24th, 2012
5:28 pm
gm
Now, that one is just too funny for words…
FORMAL BLACK GUY
You bloody racist, you!
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LOL
If stupid is a race, then guilty as charged.
Orange 12
April 24th, 2012
6:05 pm
Josef @ 5:51,
Yeah I know. It’s because the rate of crime is such that people are scared and sometime act with no sensible responsibility when confronting something that used to be common but is now seen to be a threat.
josef
April 24th, 2012
6:08 pm
saywhat
I will have to agree that New Englanders back inland are a most hospitable lot. Outside the artificial confines of the cities, the rural Midwesterner is, too. Southern hospitality, though, is a product of a substantially different environment. With the myriad of social divisions here, the highly strictured code of public behavior is, in reality, the way you get around those things for conducting daily business. Southerners aren’t nice to you because they like you. They’re nice to you because they don’t!
F. Sinkwich
April 24th, 2012
6:11 pm
While we all argue about some Doofusses, issues that affect us all continue.
“Senate Democrats will hold firm and reject House Republican demands to include approval of the Keystone oil pipeline in transportation funding legislation, their leader said Tuesday. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Tuesday said he would not in any way help Republicans move Keystone approval across the finish line.”
Lib ilks hate cabon based energy jobs. They hate people who succeed in life. They believe that anyone who has $20 more than they do, it was stolen from them. They see O’bozo as their messiah, even though he’s the biggest job killing president since their hero Jimmy Carter graced us with his presence. They hate business owners, investors, capitalists, and entrepreneurs. O’bozo runs around the world apologizing for America and appeasing our enemies just to “win” the Nobel Prize.
He did however receive a celebrated endorsement of Gorbachev, head USSR commie.
Says a lot.
But let’s deflect to some non- issue.
That’s all the lib ilks have.
Pretty sad but mostly pathetic.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
6:13 pm
“Amazing how a person is racially biased when the facts are in your face, when are you people going to come to grips that the people were sterotyped, the gunman were white, do I have to spell it out.”
Oh my God that’s funny, I checked in on former black guy and gm and their tit for tat and saw what josef was talking about that was so funny. I gotta slow down in my reading. Sometimes you see a gem of comedy and irony that just gets you rolling.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
6:14 pm
Is there a point though other than that there will always be idiots with guns?
Yeah, there is a point. Those guys at that fish camp were probably well within the realm of the “Castle Doctrine” laws and/or the “Stand your ground” laws. Their problem, however, is that convicted felons are not allowed to possess guns. There were two different guns being shot, and two of the three have felony convictions from what I’ve read. That means, at least one of those guys was breaking the law.
Tragic as it is, there are still laws that must be abided by. There are always at least two sides to any given incident.
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David Granger
Seeing as though the police were heaping praises on those two knuckleheads, do you honestly think they even stopped to consider that the house had been sold?
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
6:17 pm
“Southerners aren’t nice to you because they like you. They’re nice to you because they don’t”
I hate to burst your bubble, but that’s how it is in the North too. The less well they know you, the more polite they are. That attitude is not unique to the South.
josef
April 24th, 2012
6:18 pm
BROSEPHUS
The melanin enhanced don’t live in no manufactured housing…the poe-lice down in Newton read the memos and Jay’s blog even if you don’t…
Chadric
April 24th, 2012
6:19 pm
“But it also illustrates what can happen when loose talk about “Second Amendment rights” becomes translated in certain minds…”
The Second Amendment is fine and fortunately it’s here to stay. Unfortunately, in a nation of 313 million people, there will always be boneheads like Canoles who don’t get it and never will.
TheOnlyRetributionForMan
April 24th, 2012
6:21 pm
I seriously wished more cops were shot and killed. That way, we could see
josef
April 24th, 2012
6:22 pm
Doggone
That has been my experience around the world…manners and civility know no particular boundary…I have also noted that the more rural the environment, the more polite the people are. So, if there is a greater degree in the South, inland New England, Provence, the Midwest, Slovakia, the Ujvidek, the Puszta or wherever, it would be the greater impact the peasant culture has on the general population…
Henry
April 24th, 2012
6:23 pm
Did the system work?
Yes. So all you gun haters out there, put a sock in it.
There was a crime of stupidity committed here, and it’s being dealt with. Nobody got hurt, and it all ends well.
No system guarantees perfection every step of the way. If justice gets done at the end, it’s better than most people can hope for.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
6:23 pm
“The melanin enhanced don’t live in no manufactured housing”
I dunno about that josef. Out where my brohter lives there are numerous trailers on the side of the road and a couple of very small trailer parks of 4-5 set together on the way to his house. The residents of them all are almost exclusively black. Weird but my brother told me that its that way out in the country. At least in that part of the country in pintlala Alabama it is. So in some places that myth is anything but true.
josef
April 24th, 2012
6:24 pm
RETRIBUTION
Man/Woman, you’re one sick puppy….
pogo
April 24th, 2012
6:25 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/24/police-racially-charged-assault-not-probed-as-hate-crime-despite-witness-claim/
Is this excusable for vigilantes Jay? The pot simmers.
josef
April 24th, 2012
6:27 pm
Thulsa
That was a swipe at the ignoramuses and bigots here who so love to throw out “trailer trash” as a code word for poor whites…
I know plenty of all races, creeds and colors who live in manufactured housing…and it has been a blessing in a land where substandard housing was standard for generations…
Joe
April 24th, 2012
6:32 pm
“loose talk about “Second Amendment rights””
-Jay Bookman
Apparently Bookman finds it irresponsible for citizens to expect their Constitutional rights. I guess people should check with Bookman first to see if they actually have the rights the Constitution says or if Bookman has decided curtail them in some fashion for his pleasure or convenience. Oh, that’s right, despite your fantasies, Bookman, you are not the Dictator of the US yet.
F. Sinkwich
April 24th, 2012
6:32 pm
I re-read my 6:11 rant and have concluded, sadly, it only rates a grade of 8 on a 10 point scale.
While it does remarkably well pointing out the multitude of valid criticisms of O’bozo and his lib ilk syncophants, it’s too broad in its scope.
I promise to do better in the future.
josef
April 24th, 2012
6:34 pm
Sinkwich…
Oy, now our ilk are grape showers…?
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
6:37 pm
josef,
I hear ya and I feel the same way. I don’t understand the point of the people on here who deride folks who live in mfg housing because that happens to be what they can reasonably afford. And I don’t look down on those black folks near my brother or the white folks over here who live in trailers because its what they can afford. Interestingly one of my broker contacts has an uncle who lives in a double wide. He started out there when he was young and not a dime to his pocket. He is worth 2 million now but still prefers to live in his double wide because its what he knows and is comfortable in. Zhe’s happy and don’t give a damn what people think. I suspect he probably laughs at people struggling to make a mortgage and lexus payment while he sits on his cash in the bank.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
6:39 pm
Obama is toast….
Jm
April 24th, 2012
6:42 pm
Medicaid is a mess.
Block grant
Take care of kids with Medicaid dollars, not free loaders
Don't Tread
April 24th, 2012
6:42 pm
All gun owners (the “certain minds” easily influenced by “loose talk”) are just looking for any excuse to go shoot someone, right Jay? That’s the picture you’re painting with the really big brush. The term “drive-by journalism” is especially fitting here.
F. Sinkwich
April 24th, 2012
6:45 pm
Well, Doomy, unfortunately many here divide America into two groups: victims and victimizers.
Victims live in doublewides, victimizers live in the suburbs. The enlightened live ITP.
F. Sinkwich
April 24th, 2012
6:47 pm
Fortunately, some in power get it:
“House Speaker John Boehner said in a stark warning Tuesday that if President Barack Obama wins reelection, the American economy may “never recover.” “The president’s economic policies have failed – I would argue they actually made things worse. And as a result, the president has turned to the politics of envy and division. This is not in my opinion the right way to run for reelection,” Boehner said on Fox News. “America can’t live for four more years with Barack Obama as president. His policies will turn America in a direction that we may never recover from.””
This is a BIG election.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
6:47 pm
I’m generally anti regulation
But why do drug companies get to run ads? Aren’t doctors supposed to prescribe medicine, not patients?
Jm
April 24th, 2012
6:50 pm
Sinkwich 6:47 yes it is
josef
April 24th, 2012
6:52 pm
Thulsa
I may have told this story before, if I have forgive the repeat. When my sister married my brother in law, it raised some eyebrows along the caste-class lines. Well, he wouldn’t take a dime, worked his ass off and created a good business. They bought 100 acres and put in a 40 acre lake. They were building houses for themselves and the three kids around the lake. While the construction was going on, G. brought in an old run-down trailer to have as a place to have to spend the night or a few days when overseeing things. He had it parked at the entrance. It had no electrical hook up or “facilities.” My sister was the one who took care of the real estate end of their interests. Housing market there in Memphis was not going real well, and when she was contacted by a guy being transferred from Boston and with mother-in-law in tow, B and G’s house and the one their daughter and her husband lived in next door were just right and he was offering a good price. G reminded her that she was about to be homeless.
Well, she sold and of course they put things in storage and lived in a residence hotel.Their “official address” however was the trailer. So, when things were finished and the tribe resettled on the lake, G.. left the trailer at the entrance, gussied it up with a porch on which he put a washing machine, and an old sofa. He put in petunias in painted tires. The whole nine yards. It was there when they had the whoop-te-do for their friends coming to the estate-warming.
B was p’o'd and when the guests wanted to know what was going on, G said whenever B got too uppity, she needed to be reminded that it wasn’t that long ago she was “living” in a trailer without running water and electricity.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
6:53 pm
“The enlightened live ITP”
At least we agree on something………….. just kidding
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
6:53 pm
The term “redneck” is just a code word for and used by people who have to find some class of people to feel superior to…
josef–Once again I ask you why you feel justified in labeling people as “Yankees”?? Isn’t your motivation just about the same as those who use the term “redneck”??
Nothing to add to this thread except to call idiocy on those who think a quick call to the son should have cleared things up. Obviously you folks aren’t used to dealing with criminals. Why should you believe someone on the other end of a phone any more than the folks in front of you?? I’m not condoning the overreaction of the neighbors, but the new homebuyers showed poor judgment to enter a property after dark with no paperwork with them. Every locksmith I know would have demanded some proof of ownership first.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
6:54 pm
josef
The memos don’t apply to me because I can’t read. I need the ones with the crayon pictures.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
6:59 pm
Obviously you folks aren’t used to dealing with criminals. Why should you believe someone on the other end of a phone any more than the folks in front of you??
Ummm, Police have this thing on their hips and in their cars called a radio. At the other end of that radio connection is a dispatcher. That dispatcher has many tools available to research such things. If I’m dealing with someone who I suspect is not 100% above board, there’s all kinds of internet sights that will tell you things that you want to know.
Even if the parents were taken to the station, things could and should have been cleared up without them spending a night in jail. How would you feel if someone in your family spent a night in jail when all that had to be done was a simple phone call to get you to bring paperwork verifying their statement?
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
7:02 pm
Do you snivelling little sh-ts posting here have any f-cking idea what these people have experienced? What kind of triggers occurred when these lunatics held them at gunpoint with AR15s?
dB
They live inside their silk-lined cocoons. I haven’t talked to any survivors from that particular regime, but I’ve talked to people from different areas enough to know that some people in this country have no idea of what government overreach and control really means.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
7:03 pm
Sfd, that post was well beyond the pale and was pulled. Please don’t repeat.
And Pogo, of course it’s not excusable in any form whatsoever. In fact, it’s silly to even ask. Every person involved ought to be arrested and prosecuted.
But I have to ask: What’s this “the pot simmers” stuff? Going all melodramatic on us?
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:05 pm
BRUNO
Though I use the term Yankee, I usually don’t…I usually use the term Northerner when speaking of point of origin. I also say folks from Up North and, when the situation demands a certain clarity for the point under discussion, I use the term “outsider,” and do not confine it strictly to Northerners. It’s interesting, though, that some folks from Up North think the term is derogatory. It isn’t at all. Now, Damned Yankee? That’s another matter…pay attention to just what kind of Yankee it is we’re talking about…
Mighty Righty
April 24th, 2012
7:07 pm
It is pretty clear that Canoles was wrong. It is also clear the police should have done a better job of deciding what to do. However, Canoles is being punished and the Kalonji’s were not harmed. This is not a second amendment right problem any more than armed robbery is a second amendment right problem. This is a common sense problem both for the act, and by the police and by the reportng of it by the media trying to make a big deal out of something really was nothing more than a case of poor judgement. It is simple. People have no right to try to protect property that is not theirs unless they represent the owner or a law enforcement organisation.
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:07 pm
IMAM
“…well beyond the Pale…?” That smacks of anti-Semitism to me…
I mean, you DID say we ought to be talking about that… 
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
7:07 pm
Even if the parents were taken to the station, things could and should have been cleared up without them spending a night in jail. How would you feel if someone in your family spent a night in jail when all that had to be done was a simple phone call to get you to bring paperwork verifying their statement?
Bro–Not defending the police here either. I’m addressing those who think a quick phone call was all that was needed. If the purpose of the call was to bring the paperwork down, then that still would have taken a lot of time. Not all night, but long enough that the new homebuyers still should have been taken down to the station.
Last time I attempted to rent one of my houses, a young couple appeared and gave me the number to the “leasing office” to verify that they were good tenants. And a nice glowing report it was. The only problem was that it was actually a friend of theirs that they had enlisted in their scheme. Don’t know about you, but I’m not trusting anyone at the other end of a phone line.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:08 pm
Dernit. What’d sad say?
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:08 pm
Dernit. What’d SFD say?
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
7:09 pm
The term “redneck” is just a code word for and used by people who have to find some class of people to feel superior to…
And in my opinion its the same reason people watch crap like Jerry Springer. The joy of looking down their nose at someone they deem as being a bigger loser than they are and watching those people make fools of themselves on national tv.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:10 pm
Gather bro’s 7:02 answers my 7:08
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
7:10 pm
some people in this country have no idea of what government overreach and control really means.
a musical comment…
If they tell you that you’ve got two days to live
well don’t complain, ‘cuz that’s one more than you’d get in Zaire.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
7:12 pm
It’s interesting, though, that some folks from Up North think the term is derogatory.
josef–For a pretty smart, usually nice person, you have an intentional blind spot when it comes to saying hateful things to folks who were born outside of the South. To your great discredit, I might add. Like Matti, you’re the first to cry foul when someone insults your “tribe”, but seem all too willing to continue the same ugly pattern as soon as the shoe is on the other foot.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
April 24th, 2012
7:12 pm
how many NRA trolls did this thread get, I wonder
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
7:13 pm
that post was well beyond the pale
your blog, your rules. But IMHO, no Jay.
It wasn’t.
Out of here a while. Crank up that musical comment y’all, won’t you? It’ll make you feel better. Seriously.
Old Timer
April 24th, 2012
7:13 pm
But why do drug companies get to run ads? Aren’t doctors supposed to prescribe medicine, not patients?
It’s called “demand pull” by the marketers. The purpose is to convince consumers of the value of a drug and to get the consumers to bug their doctors to prescribe it. As drug companies have become more and more legally constrained in how they can induce doctors to favor their drugs (or more specifically, as doctors have been constrained in what they’re allowed to accept from drug reps in exchange for favoring certain drugs), drug companies are turning more and more to demand pull. That way, every hypochondriac can be induced to ask his doctor to prescribe a certain drug. It’s totally objectionable from any rational perspective, but it appears to work.
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:14 pm
Jm
I’d like to know that myself since SFD is generally one of the more restrained and courteous folks on the blog.
*******
Well, you gotta understand, let them two in and how long will it be before the Grey Panthers come in intimidating folks at the voting booth? Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a mile…dangerous folks, them Geezers…
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:15 pm
Riddle me this
If they broke the law they broke the law (which they did)
If so, why didn’t the cops arrest them at the same time they arrested the new home buyers?
The answer is cops and the justice system are a ridiculously imperfect process. They do get things more accurate given time, but we really do need fewer laws on the books, namely the really dumb ones.
We’ve written so many laws that we’ve handed the police a ton of power. I’m probably breaking a dozen laws sitting in my living room typing away on an iPad. Probably more actually.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
7:15 pm
Bruno,
I actually fault the cops more than anybody although everyone has some shared responsibility. The couple was indeed foolish to go there banging on what was a vacant property for months and alarming people and of course not having any documentation. Then you have the overreaction of 2 men deciding that its okay to point AK-47s at people- not cool.
And to me its ridiculous the idea that the cops couldn’t work with these people to let them call someone- the realtor, brother, someone who could get the proper paperwork or documentation to show that they owned the house. They didn’t have to lock up 2 old people that clearly weren’t burglarizing anything.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:18 pm
Old timer
Exactly. Drug companies shouldn’t be allowed to advertise IMO. First amendment probably prevents that tho. Oh well.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
7:18 pm
Bruno
The only thing I’ll say about the Canoles is that they are lucky they didn’t run up on the wrong people. My beef in this instant is the same as it was in the Sanford incident. Shoddy police work makes us all look bad. It’s bad enough that officers are dying at a faster rate this year than in years past. Those guys on the street don’t need the added pressure of looking completely uncapable of doing the job they’re trained to do. These kinds of incidents make it seem more like the norm than the exception.
Jack
April 24th, 2012
7:18 pm
Bookman knows how to get the natives riled up: The incidents he features are guaranteed to attract folks like gm.
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
7:21 pm
Most of the people reading that article about Granny in Macon would cheer her courage and say “Right on, Granny”!!!, Macon is the 17th most violent city in the US, regardless of population. A person who travels in Macon after dark is a fool to not be armed. Granny proved that is not a bad idea. But for every Granny who survives, there is sadly many more who do not. She just about did not. We can pretend all we want about who is responsible for most of this violence, however we will be called names and called out about why we “always put race into the issue”. It is all about race, my friends, and you who would hide behind some kind of liberal facade pretending that we are “all equal in this regard”, have not a clue about what is really going on in this town. We are 67% black in Macon. We have a 41% graduation rate from high school. This used to be a pretty nice community to live in. What happened?
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:21 pm
BRUNO
“…when it comes to saying hateful things to folks who were born outside of the South.”
Actually that’s not true…I’m usually pretty tolerant of people born outside the South (bless their hearts), it’s supercilious and arrogant ones from Up North down here being rude that rile me. Granny taught me that you don’t go into somebody else’s house criticizing them. That’s why I will never go to Germany. I couldn’t be sure I could not say something out of line there, so it’s best I not go.
Native
April 24th, 2012
7:21 pm
Shoot first
Ask questions later
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
7:23 pm
stands is correct. The violence vibe here sucks bad. Real bad.
The best thing to ever come out of Boston.
’cause i’m a bad lonely school-boy and i’m a rat,
And it’s too bad can’t get me none of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4GNBvzkZow
Native
April 24th, 2012
7:23 pm
Kayaker71
Atlanta sucked all the air out of Macon
Mama Says
April 24th, 2012
7:24 pm
Ok now I have to argue with all you libs once again. Try to follow this.
I agree that the neighbors overreacted, I really think that the cops should be fired for doing absolutely no investigation at all……
But
I will bet that not one of you liberal bafoons have ever lived in the country and that you have no idea what looking out for each other really means. In the country it takes the police a while to get to you. Most country areas have very few patrols to begin with. Again, like in the Martin case, a person saw someone he did not know at a location he does not associate them with. The citizen felt the strangers needed to be checked. In the country strangers, black or white, get checked because the citizens know that calling the police usually results in the person leaving before the police get there. In other words the stranger gets away. Now that may not mean anything to you liberal, can’t we all get along city folks, but in then country we are raised to help each other. That means tending to the kids when the parents have to go somewhere, feeding the neighbor when he/she losses their job and helping them pick the corn so it doesn’t rot on the stalk.
You see there is something to be said about helping each other, and we do it everyday. We are not accustom to walking by a person laying in the weeds Begging for a dollar, we are not accustom to hearing the screams of your female neighbor and Turing put the light and going to bed-wondering why she stays and we are not accustom to hearing gunshots and not wondering who needs help ( and going to help them). We don’t sit in the window and watch as our friends property gets robbed or torn up, we stop the person from robbing or tearing it up.
Black or white, find a country raised person and see if they say the same. See, you big city liberal types have gotten so use to someone else doing for you, that you have apparently forgotten that you are the first line of safety, defense and security. You don’t have to sit and wait for someone on a police force to come save the day, chances are they are trying to help someone else and are overwhelmed already.
Like I said I would have gotten my gun, put it my pocket ( wouldn’t take the big one) and walked over and said hello. I would not have pointed my gun at them and I imagine if I talked to them I would have found out who they were. I would have introduced myself and most likely invited them fishing when they got comfortable in the new home. But I would have walked over and made sure they belonged, it’s what you are suppose to do for your neighbor, new or old ones.
Native
April 24th, 2012
7:24 pm
The violence vibe?
Over a non-shooting? Ok
Native
April 24th, 2012
7:27 pm
Mama says
If dey was white, I doubt they’d go over with AR 15’s
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
7:28 pm
The only thing I’ll say about the Canoles is that they are lucky they didn’t run up on the wrong people.
Bro–Not defending the Canoles here either. Even if their intent was to be a good neighbor, I don’t believe they were in their rights to hold anyone at gun point. My post was intended for some of the “half-the-story” posters here who automatically assumed that the folks attempting to change the locks late at night with no proof of ownership with them were obviously there with good purposes in mind. In my old neighborhood in Lilburn, vacant homes became magnets for criminals. In fact, after my own home was vacant for a short time, it was broken in to and the air conditioner was stolen, costing me a few thousand dollars. I sorta wish the Canoles were living next door for strictly selfish reasons.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
7:32 pm
I will bet that not one of you liberal bafoons have ever lived in the country and that you have no idea what looking out for each other really means.”
You will lose that silly bet many, many times over.
josef
April 24th, 2012
7:33 pm
MAMA SAYS
I’m a country fried liberal who happens to be living in the big city and while I agree with a lot of what you’re saying…the bottom line is, good country people (with apologies to Georgia’s greatest, Flannery O’Connor
) would have seen that these folks were Methuselah’s grandparents and offered help…sorry, but THEIRS were not country values…
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
7:33 pm
“It’s interesting, though, that some folks from Up North think the term is derogatory.”
As a yankee from right near the Canadian border-Buffalo I’ve found its all in the tone of what you mean when you say yankee. My GF’s uncle started talking crap to me last weekend about me being a yankee. When I told him I was originally a yankee but grew up in Bama he then proceeded to his staple of Alabama redneck jokes. Moral of the story its all about tone and this A-hole was all negative tone.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
7:33 pm
I will bet that not one of you liberal bafoons have ever lived in the country
All right all you “liberal bafoons”, fess up. How many of you even know what the country is.
By the way, is a bafoon a forth-removed cousin of a baboon.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
7:33 pm
Brocephus: I am replying to you second hand from reading Bruno’s 7:28. He is correct. Keep track of the sqatters and the squatters rights cases. It’s a nightmare to get rid of those scum once they get in. Not to mention the copper thieves.
You DID read the part where this is an 11 acre property didn’t you? It’s not like it was in a down town cul-de-sac………….
Where the guys a little (LOT) too aggressive? Of course. Where they justified in doing SOMETHING? Of course.
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
7:35 pm
“By the way, is a bafoon a forth-removed cousin of a baboon”
It’s a baffled baboon
Jay
April 24th, 2012
7:35 pm
And I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear that kayaker believes it’s all about race.
Who would have guessed that he would say such a thing?!
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
7:36 pm
If us country folk is supposed to be taking care of our own, how comes I still has to pay property taxes.
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)
April 24th, 2012
7:37 pm
MamaSays@7:24 – I agree with you 100%, that is exactly what I would have done.Being retired law enforcement, the neighbors should be applauded for looking out for their community but pointing a weapon went too far. The rural county cops did not do a through job before taking the older man and his wife in. They do not fit the”profile” of burglars, there I go using that word again, sorry. They could have easily requested the son or realty agent to come to the scene with the proper paperwork. I would never have trusted a voice on the other end of the phone though.
Thomas heyward Jr.
April 24th, 2012
7:37 pm
Its simple………………………..even most Romney/Obama supporters get it.
.
NEVER call the police…or any state-sponsored thug.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
7:37 pm
“The only thing I’ll say about the Canoles is that they are lucky they didn’t run up on the wrong people”
I dunno. I like their odds with 2 AR-15s no matter who they run up on.
DawgDad
April 24th, 2012
7:38 pm
“People have no right to try to protect property that is not theirs unless they represent the owner or a law enforcement organisation.”
Bull. Think beyond the context of this incident for just one moment. If you truly believe that please do not move into my neighborhood or into the office next to me.
godless heathen
April 24th, 2012
7:39 pm
“And in my opinion its the same reason people watch crap like Jerry Springer. The joy of looking down their nose at someone they deem as being a bigger loser than they are and watching those people make fools of themselves on national tv.”
Exactly why I watch Hoarders. I can sit there and say, “The floor might need sweeping and there are dirty dishes in the sink, but I’m way better than those folks.”