Big-money donors bet heavily on the GOP
As USA Today reports, eight of the 10 biggest contributors to SuperPACs this election cycle have been backers of conservative causes or candidates.
And those are only the contributions that have become public record.
American Crossroads Super PAC, headed by Karl Rove, reports that it had raised $99.8 million by the end of March, but thanks to the Citizens United decision and other vagaries of federal law, it is not required to disclose who contributed that money. We know only that it has received 24 donations of a million dollars or more, and two donations of $10 million or more, and together those large donations account for 87 percent of its contributions.
In stark contrast, The New York Times reported Saturday that the Obama campaign is struggling a bit to tap big-money contributors, “with sharp dropoffs in donations from nearly every major industry forcing it to rely more than ever on small contributions and a relative handful of major donors….”
“From Wall Street to Hollywood, from doctors and lawyers, the traditional big sources of campaign cash are not delivering for the Obama campaign as they did four years ago,” the Times reports.
The numbers are stark. As the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute reports, 44 percent of the money raised by the Obama campaign so far has come in contributions of $200 or less. In contrast, small donors account for just 9 percent of the cash raised so far by Mitt Romney. As of late March, he had raised less from small donors than either Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum.
As the Wall Street Journal reports, the guys and gals on Wall Street are also placing their bets.
“… so far this election, Mr. Romney is taking in far more money from financial firms than the president. By the end of March, the Romney camp had collected more than $12 million from bankers and other financial professionals, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
By contrast, Mr. Obama’s campaign took in at least $4.2 million from people in those industries in the same period, according to the same tally.”
The inflow of cash is also affecting congressional races. As the New York Times reports:
“The conservative groups that helped Republicans win the House in 2010 are pouring money this year into an aggressive campaign to capture the Senate, a goal that they consider just as vital as winning the White House.
Already, they have committed at least $17 million to television commercials in more than a dozen states from Florida to Hawaii, in most cases dwarfing what their Democratic opponents have spent. Their plans call for an effort that will exceed $100 million by Election Day, strategists for these groups said, far surpassing their efforts in 2010, a high-water mark for outside money in politics….
The Chamber of Commerce, which, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, spent more than $30 million on congressional races in 2010, said it will commit “measurably more” this year to House and Senate campaigns in what officials called the most significant political effort in its 100-year history.”
The defense industrial complex is making a play as well. As Politico reports, the defense industry is backing Republican candidates much more heavily than in recent cycles, with 60 percent of its contributions going to GOP candidates.
Now, there’s no need to shed tears for the poor, underfunded Obama campaign. Overall, it continues to do quite well in its fundraising, although nobody really knows how much money will come pouring into the conservative Super PACs run by Rove and others as the race really begins to heat up.
On the other hand, things may be considerably tougher for Democrats lower on the ballot. If individual candidates are targeted for defeat by deep-pocket GOP Super PACs, they may not have the financial resources they would need to respond.
This imbalance is, I think, the most important political story of this campaign cycle. It tells you a lot about the true nature of the race, the forces that are at work behind the scenes and what’s really at stake in this year’s outcome.
If the big-money investment pays off and the GOP ends up with control of both the White House and Congress, you will see a significant impact on the policies and priorities coming out of Washington. Tax law, environmental rules, labor relations, entitlements — we’re likely to see a repeat on the national level of what Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin attempted to do at the state level in 2011. It will make the Bush years seem tame by comparison.
On the other hand, if Obama wins despite the big-money contributions arrayed against him, he may start his second and final term feeling somewhat liberated from Wall Street and other big-money interests. Oh, he’ll still owe them. But what he owes them they may not like.
– Jay Bookman
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Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 24th, 2012
9:04 am
We need full-disclosure.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:05 am
Buying Federal politicians isn’t for the faint and weak-hearted……….. or the for the poor…….
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:08 am
Best government money can buy …
thank god the donors are only doing it out of the goodness of their heart and not the promise of access …
TBone
April 24th, 2012
9:09 am
“On the other hand, if Obama wins despite the big-money contributions arrayed against him, he may start his second and final term feeling somewhat liberated from Wall Street and other big-money interests. Oh, he’ll still owe them. But what he owes them they may not like.”
What hog wash; this guy has shaken down more folks than the feared GOP.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:09 am
“if Obama wins despite the big-money contributions arrayed against him, he may start his second and final term feeling somewhat liberated from Wall Street and other big-money interests.”
give ‘em the chair!”"”
carlosgvv
April 24th, 2012
9:10 am
Big Business knows they have succeeded in a complete ownership of the Republican Party. This is why there is such a disparity in campaign contributions. If Romney wins and gets a Republican majority in the House and Senate, there will be all smiles in the corporate boardrooms and tears and anger in many American living rooms.
I just can’t help but wonder how much longer Big Business and the Republicans can keep fooling so many Americans into thinking they actually care anything about them.
bob
April 24th, 2012
9:11 am
I read that John Corzine of MF Global was still bundling contributions for Obama. I guess big money is ok if it comes from ex dem senators that stold 200 million from his investors.
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
9:11 am
Shorter Bookman: the rules of the game need to be changed only if they don’t support “my guy” this time.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 24th, 2012
9:12 am
Is this really surprising? If you wage a war against success, is it a surprise that successful people wouldn’t contribute money to keep you around.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:12 am
“I just can’t help but wonder how much longer Big Business and the Republicans can keep fooling so many Americans into thinking they actually care anything about them.”
as long as they keep selling the myth that “through hard work, you, too, can become one of us”
hewhoasks
April 24th, 2012
9:13 am
Small money voters gotta think – and get tough.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
9:14 am
Another pivotal election, let’s just hope that the majority of americans learned the lessons of the 2010 midterms. The republican agenda is for the wealthy and against the common folk, especially women, they need to stand down and be more inclusive, this might be their last hurrah…
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:14 am
Big Businesses and millionaires don’t want they’re taxes raised…of course they’re contributing money to help the GOP defeat Obama and make him a 1 term President (they’re favorite catch phrase).
Instead of throwing money at GOP Super PACS, they could use that money to hire people. Oh wait…they’re struggling.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:15 am
“(they’re favorite catch phrase).”
their
not they’re
this has been another helpful hint from Conan the Grammarian
Fight to the Finish
April 24th, 2012
9:15 am
Jay says,
On the other hand, if Obama wins despite the big-money contributions arrayed against him, he may start his second and final term feeling somewhat liberated from Wall Street and other big-money interests.
Obama WILL still win!
Obama/Biden 2012
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
9:15 am
The proverbial worm turns, does it not.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:16 am
“eight of the 10 biggest contributors to SuperPACs this election cycle have been backers of conservative causes or candidates.”
First thought: they know who’s gonna butter their bread.
Now inhale, hold breath and wait for the spin of “business knows Obama’s an anti-business socialist marxist who wants to confiscate all their money and redistribute it, so of course they’re going to donate to someone who understands capitalism.”
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:16 am
The President doesn’t
need as much, he has
Air Force One.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:17 am
Jay
It is still a little disconcerting that Obama would make “political hay” out of Repubs using Super Pacs when he thought it would achieve some political capital; then turn around and basically ask people to give to Super Pacs that will support him……
Doesn’t mean I’m running off to vote for Romney; but to me it speaks volumes on certain levels
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:18 am
Bob, you’re right, and that’s troubling. We don’t know exactly what happened at Corzine’s firm, but what we do know is cause for very deep concern.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/21/corzine_amid_scandal_is_among_obamas_top_bundlers.html
However, as that story indicates, we know that Corzine is an Obama bundler because Obama reports his bundlers. Romney reports only those bundlers who are also registered as lobbyists.
Don't Tread
April 24th, 2012
9:18 am
And what did Obama raise in the last election – oh, somewhere around a billion dollars? Apparently raising money for elections is only a bad thing if you’re Republican.
And you can cry about Citizens United all you want – this is what happens when you (unconstitutionally) try to limit the 1st Amendment rights of people you don’t like and it blows up in your face.
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
9:18 am
Just wait until those Democratic incumbents running for their Senate and Congressional seats start turning down invitations for Bozo to speak at their campaign rallies. When that happens, Bozo better pack his bags.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:19 am
Obama is such a cheapskate. All he asks me for is three bucks…………..
Fight to the Finish
April 24th, 2012
9:19 am
The biggest suprise of the November election will be when Georgia is given to President Obama as an early Christmas present!!
Tommy Maddox
April 24th, 2012
9:20 am
Gee Jay – is any of this new?
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:20 am
BOTH, that’s not disconcerting to me in the slightest. Refusing to use SuperPACs this cycle would be tantamount to unilateral disarmament — it would pretty much guarantee that you get thrashed.
mm
April 24th, 2012
9:20 am
Let’s show the SC and these rich @sshats that they cannot buy elections. They will be shown that it probably would have been more productive to flush their money down the toilet.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:20 am
“Just wait until those Democratic incumbents running for their Senate and Congressional seats start turning down invitations for Bozo to speak at their campaign rallies. When that happens, Bozo better pack his bags.”
Don’t be projecting 2006 Bush on him
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 24th, 2012
9:20 am
I think BET is the wrong term.
I think there are loads of better words for it
acquittal, advance, alimony, amends, amortization, amount, annuity, award, bounty, cash, defrayal, defrayment, deposit, disbursement, discharge, down, fee, hire, indemnification, outlay, part, pay-off, paying, pension, portion, premium, quittance, reckoning, recompense, redress, refund, reimbursement, remittance, remuneration, reparation, repayment, requital, restitution, retaliation, return, reward, salary, settlement, subsidy, sum, support, wage
Mick
April 24th, 2012
9:21 am
paul
**“business knows Obama’s an anti-business socialist marxist who wants to confiscate all their money and redistribute it,**
It really is incredible in this day and age that mythology has grown legs! It’s also a bit depressing because if garbage like that can be accepted as fact, why does that say about facts and truth? Are the lines forever blurred? Already seeing limbaughs bogus war against success meme creeping in, the gasbag preacheth…
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:21 am
Oh and for that three bucks? I COULD be selected to dine with Brother Barry and George Clooney in California………..
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:21 am
“their
not they’re”
F off, USinUK. Like you’re perfect.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:21 am
If Romney would invite
Obama to speak at his
campaign rallys they
would be better.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:21 am
“Both, that’s not disconcerting to me in the slightest.”
Using them is one thing………. basically trashing the Republicans for using them then turning around to use them is another
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
9:24 am
suck, 9:21,
It’s that selective indignation rearing it’s ugly head.
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
9:25 am
“This imbalance (money sources and amounts) is, I think, the most important political story of this campaign cycle.”
Disagree Jay. The most important story of this election cycle is not even the economy.
The most important point of this political cycle is what America will be going forward?
Will we become a decling welfare state under Obama, or will we return to our roots of Liberty, Capitalism, and individual responsibility?
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:26 am
“Using them is one thing………. basically trashing the Republicans for using them then turning around to use them is another”
Agree w/ this one.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
9:26 am
If Republicans gain more power in the next election, I just want to know how much more of a tax cut they’re gonna give me. Do you think maybe they’ll divert more payroll taxes toward tax cuts for the wealthiest or just borrow more money to give away to the wealthiest or both.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:26 am
“The defense industrial complex is making a play as well. As Politico reports, the defense industry is backing Republican candidates much more heavily than in recent cycles, with 60 percent of its contributions going to GOP candidates.”
Well of course they are. They know, no matter how dismal their performance, Republicans will give them more money, all the while saying “Solyndra’s an example of Democrats thinking government should pick winners and losers.”
I’ve posted before about the nearly one TRILLION in additional lifecycle costs for the F-35. (Sinkwich had a typical response – just give’me time. No such sentiment for renewable energy, though).
Now the Navy’s taking delivery of ships in the multibillion dollar littoral ship program. Taken delivery. As in accepted by the Navy. After some Navy leaders tried to kill it because it is sooooo expensive. The one delivered in 2008 has had 17 cracks in the hull which caused 640 equipment failures.
But Republicans say ’so what? We’re going to increase Defense spending!!!”
Yeah, big business know Republicans love to talk about responsibility and accountability. But not for them.
Joe the Prophet
April 24th, 2012
9:26 am
ExxonMobil has a TV commercial where they tout their “Education Initiative”….while they fight tooth and nail to keep their subsidies….
Why don’t they just lobby to end their subsidies and said monies could go to education…
bob
April 24th, 2012
9:27 am
Is it true that Bain Capital has given twice as much to dems than repubs ? Bain Capital is bad, why would dems even take that dirty money ?
Mick
April 24th, 2012
9:28 am
**Will we become a decling welfare state under Obama**
How so? Why are you tagging him thus? Didn’t we have an economic meltdown that basically wrecked the world economy? Stop the lies…
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:29 am
Will we become a decling welfare state under Obama, or will we return to our roots of Liberty, Capitalism, and individual responsibility?
What is sad JReb is that you believe these lies you are spouting even though there isn’t one shred of proof to them. The whole talk radio position is one based on hate and lies. They have perfected Josef Goebbels propaganda process. You are living proof. You live in abject terror and absolution irrational hatred of Barak Obama for no logical reason.
It’s sad, really sad.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:29 am
Kayaker
It certainly occurs both ways……..
While I am no fan of the Super Pacs, they are what they are and to Jay’s point any candidate would be slaughtered without them…….
To me, it would have been best for Obama to not have trashed Republicans and just left it alone…..
Some people don’t mind Super Pacs, others don’t mind if Obama was “slight” hypocritical in his words and actions on Super Pacs, but I find it disconcerting…
With that said, Romney and I disagree on a lot more things than just Super Pacs and what Obama said about them……..
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:29 am
Mick
I still don’t have a good answer for ‘why’ but I think there may be a clue in nature. A seed will sprout and grow if it’s given favorable conditions. So these outlandish ideas float about, then settle on a host that is predisposed to accept it and provide, without question, an ideal environment to sprout and grow.
Joe the Prophet
April 24th, 2012
9:30 am
Here’s how it’s going to work…….Housing is coming back….That gives people confidence…They spend more money…..Companies have to start hiring….It starts becoming evident (if it hasn’t already) that Romney doesn’t stand a chance….The wealthy starts to realize they are going to have to start investing in WORKERS rather than LEGISLATORS if they want money…..and the economy takes off…..
The “1% tax cut strategy” goes out the window….
in other words
April 24th, 2012
9:30 am
“if Obama wins
He won’t. Now get back to attacking anything other than Obama.
USMC
April 24th, 2012
9:31 am
Reports: Obama’s war chest dwarfs Romney’s
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/reports-obama-s-war-chest-dwarfs-romney-s-1.3673577
real john
April 24th, 2012
9:31 am
Jay,
Just do a quick Google search of Obama’s $35,000 a plate fundraising dinners. Between Hollywood, NBA, NFL, and super wealthy donors in New York and San Francisco, I think Obama is doing quite okay.
Remember about a month ago when Obama flew into Atlanta at 5:30 on a Friday and shut down the whole downtown connector. He was here for a fundraiser in Midtown and another with Tyler Perry.
To still a line from ESPN “Come on man” are you REALLY trying to saying that poor ole Obama’s campaign isn’t also being financed by many high rollers too?? Of course it is, both Reps and Dems have big money backers.
James Thomas
April 24th, 2012
9:31 am
Of course we have had a brutal republican primary and an uncontested democrat primary. I’m sure that had absolutely nothing with the amount of contributions going to VARIOUS republican candidates.
Jay…Your ability to obscure data in your own interest is absolutely unbelievable. You have all these unreasonable blog followers up in arms based on errant data. The sad part is how many of you simply cannot see it.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:31 am
JohnnyReb
“Capitalism, and individual responsibility?”
Can you bump that up against my 9:26?
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:32 am
SuperPacs enrich the
advertising media,
no one else.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
9:32 am
Is this really surprising? If you wage a war against success, is it a surprise that successful people wouldn’t contribute money to keep you around.
Steve–I couldn’t have said it any better. It looks like the Intrade folks still favor Obama 60-40%, but the Romney graph is showing an upward trend.
https://data.intrade.com/graphing/jsp/closingPricesForm.jsp?contractId=743475&tradeURL=https://www.intrade.com
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:32 am
meant to say “slightly hypocritical”……… and “slightly” was a joke………
Jm
April 24th, 2012
9:32 am
Money doesn’t buy elections
bob
April 24th, 2012
9:33 am
Paul, Ike warned of the industrial military complex so the Defense Department has dominated other depts. in terms of money for some time. It seems as though the dem party had a lock on congress during that buildup, do you blame dems at all for the amount of money they spent giving us the military industrial complex ? You cannot blame it on someone getting elected president 30 years after we knew about the Military industrial complex can we ? Yes we can and do blame Reagan and repubs because we seem to forget about when the power shifted and little skirmishes like VietNam.
Mike
April 24th, 2012
9:33 am
my Dad was right, you’ve really got to be a low life at heart to want to be a politician. The fact that most of them are lawyers, should tell us a lot. I deal with lawyers daily, and most of them are despicable human beings. (I said most, not all).
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
9:33 am
give ‘em the chair!
I know you didn’t mean this chair, but ya gotta keep your options open.
USMC
April 24th, 2012
9:33 am
Obama targets $1bn war chest to pay for his re-election drive
http://www.scotsman.com/news/obama_targets_1bn_war_chest_to_pay_for_his_re_election_drive_1_1572996
James Thomas
April 24th, 2012
9:33 am
Real John…You miss Jay’s point. He knows Obama isn’t hurting for major contributors.. He’s just doing his part as a journalist to make it appear Obama is for the little guy and the Republicans are all heartless wealthy people.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:34 am
“F off, USinUK. Like you’re perfect.”
ooooooooooooooooooooooo … someone’s a bit touchy today …
just trying to be helpful … your vs. you’re … their vs. they’re … it’s all part of the service
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:34 am
Joe the Prophet
April 24th, 2012
9:30 am
Here’s how it’s going to work…….Housing is coming back….That gives people confidence…They spend more money…..Companies have to start hiring….
++++++++++++++++++++++
Why? Or I guess the better question would be what makes you think they have to start hiring AMERICANS? They’ve gotten by making record profits while laying off workers and off shoring jobs, what is going to change to reverse that trend?
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:34 am
“Of course it is, both Reps and Dems have big money backers.”
True. But the GOP has more!!!
(weak argument, I know. But that’s basically what Jay’s saying)
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 24th, 2012
9:34 am
USMC
You seem to be confusing Super Pacs and Campaign War chests.
carlosgvv
April 24th, 2012
9:34 am
USinUK – 9:12
“through hard work, you, too, can become one of us” (only if you have no conscience)
mm
April 24th, 2012
9:35 am
“And what did Obama raise in the last election – oh, somewhere around a billion dollars?”
I thought that lie applied to the current election.
blackstarline
April 24th, 2012
9:35 am
Why wouldn’t big money donors bet heavily on the GOP, the GOP will actually make you pay for disloyalty, and during the Bush administration actually refused to speak to anyone that didn’t exclusively donate to the GOP on K street. The cowardly DemocRATS only encourage the donors to do more of this by not punishing anyone (oh except for repeatedly stabbing their base in the back), when they get in power. Then they spend all their time implementing Republican light policies.
So to sum it up Republicans get paid to win, do nothing DemocRATS get paid to loose, and the middle class gets to suffer while the wealthy corporations get buy off congress, steal from the treasury to shore up their books, and ship jobs overseas. If your not angry your just not paying attention.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:36 am
dB@ 9:33: Linky no clicky, no worky
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:36 am
dB – I tried to youtube link Shrek, but, alas, it wasn’t listed …
Jm
April 24th, 2012
9:36 am
Empirical data shows money has a tiny influence on election outcomes
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 24th, 2012
9:37 am
There’s a missing dynamic here:
1. Small donors are also likely to be motivated voters. So are big donors, but their vote counts the same. So if you have a lot of small donors, you have a lot of voters with a vested interest in your success. Obama has more of those right now. Romney doesn’t seem to be connecting with them. Small donations also means you can go back to the well when you need more money, since the person hasn’t maxxed out their cycle contribution.
2. Big focused money only works if there’s a message that resonates that you can repeat over and over using TV time that isn’t skipped over by TiVo. After a while, though, all those competing political messages just become noise to be filtered out by the viewer. So it there has to be a resonating message. We’re too early in the cycle to see if either side has one that’s not just negative about the other side.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:37 am
So USMC, you’re posting stories that are more than a year old? A story that has already been thoroughly discredited? (See below, as one of many many such rebuttals)
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/obamas-billion-dollar-campaign-thats-bullsh/
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
9:37 am
yeah, Fred, and when linkee no workee on one liner, I usually just figure I fcrewed up and leave it at that…
but if you must:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Singchair.jpg
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:37 am
bob
“It seems as though the dem party had a lock on congress during that buildup, do you blame dems at all for the amount of money they spent giving us the military industrial complex ?”
Of course.
But in the here and now, Democrats at various levels have offered to put all spending up for cuts.
Republicans, at all levels, specifically reject any Defense cuts and in fact call for increases.
USinUK
“someone’s a bit touchy today ”
Hmmm. I just took it as a grudging admission from him he knows there’s no way he can keep up with you.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
9:37 am
“. It will make the Bush years seem tame by comparison.”
Hyperbole alert!
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
9:39 am
“you’ll be happy to know that, after a mistake-filled first day, Mitt Romney’s wife’s horse, Rafalca, rose from 17th to 15th place in the freestyle portion of the World Cup Dressage Finals in the Netherlands.”
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:39 am
USinUK: I’m boycotting your site until that pornographic mayo is off. Can’t do anything french here………….
(
)
Watkins
April 24th, 2012
9:39 am
If the Republicans capture all branches of government in 2012, we will undoubtedly face the possibility of a kind of fiscal totalitarianism that will end the American experiment. I say “all branches” because putting majorities in both houses of congress and their candidate in the White House will insure a completely partisan majority in the SCOTUS. When the judicial branch no longer fills the role of protecting the minority from the majority, we may not see meaningful multiparty elections. Citizens United’s unbelievable stretch to extend the Constitution portends dark days ahead. Even Republicans shouldn’t want a one party system.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
9:39 am
Empirical data shows money has a tiny influence on election outcomes
What! Your dollar didn’t get your candidate elected.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
9:40 am
Jay – I’m not USMC, and I feel certain he can fight his own battles, but this story is from Saturday. How does it play into your narrative?
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2012/04/21/obama-out-raises-romney.html
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 24th, 2012
9:40 am
I will be fascinated to hear about the Media buys for the days right before the election from the Super-Pac’s and how much false information is included in those ads.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 24th, 2012
9:40 am
Well, this whole campaign money stuff is just another way of saying how stupid the American voter is. Why do they need all that money? Why, to put out ads—that’s why. Ol’ Joe Six-Pack ain’t got the brainpower to figure out what’s happened to him the past 4 or 8 yrs. and what will happen to him if each canadate wins. No, he’s got to set in front of the TV and be told what will happen. And he’ll beleive it! He’s been slathered up and bent over till he can’t feel hardly anything. And now a bunch of TV ads is going to make up his mind for him. A billion bucks worth of ads on each side. And Ol’ Joe is going to let them decide who he’ll vote for. It will all come down to which side can tell the biggest whoppers and who can get in the best punch.
I just wish Joe would stay home on election day. We might could be alot better off.
Have a good Tuesday everybody.
real john
April 24th, 2012
9:41 am
George Clooney, Spike Lee, Eva Longoria, the former COO of Microsoft, and Tyler Perry…
Just average citizens who have all hosted $35,000 per plate fundraising dinners for Obama in the last few months.
Obama also had a $35,000 on March 1st, 2012 with several Wall Street executives.
This took me all of 30 seconds on a Google search. If you spent a good half hour, you would find about 25 more examples…
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
9:42 am
we’re likely to see a repeat on the national level of what Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin attempted to do at the state level in 2011. It will make the Bush years seem tame by comparison.
in other words…
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2012/04/i-miss-ike-nixon-ronnie-george-i-oh.html
Tester
April 24th, 2012
9:42 am
Refusing to use SuperPACs this cycle would be tantamount to unilateral disarmament — it would pretty much guarantee that you get thrashed.
In other words, Bookman doesn’t believe in the principles on which he stands.
What about Obama’s 2008 campaign?
WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama’s decision to walk away from more than $84 million in taxpayer money for the general election signals trouble for a system created to limit the influence of special interests, experts say.
Obama on Thursday set aside an early promise to use public funds for the fall and became the first presidential nominee to bypass the system since it was created in 1976 after the Watergate scandal.–USA TODAY
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:42 am
Jm – 9:36
and the sun is a little warm
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 24th, 2012
9:43 am
Just average citizens who have all hosted $35,000 per plate fundraising dinners for Obama in the last few months.
And on the other side, a single person or two who can drop a $10 million check down on the tray as needed. Think about the math.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:43 am
Fred – 9:39 – then you REALLY won’t like the chicken salad I’m going to post today
Watkins
April 24th, 2012
9:44 am
What would happen if only individuals could contribute to campaigns. Congress people would have to come to their districts and actually connect with constituents. Fundraisers would be BBQ picnics in parks with the community invited and donations would be in the hundreds instead of hundreds of thousands. Political decisions would be based on people (who, incidentally, would not necessarily be anit-business). Think about it.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:45 am
“In other words, Bookman doesn’t believe in the principles on which he stands.”
no … more like NO ONE believes in hobbling yourself for the “greater good” … you’re not going to be very effective if you’re sitting at home, alone with your principles.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:45 am
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
9:40 am
Jay – I’m not USMC, and I feel certain he can fight his own battles, but this story is from Saturday. How does it play into your narrative?
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I’m not Jay but what is your point? From your own article:
“Still, an anticipated fire hose of cash from major Republican “super-PACs” and the Republican Party is likely to bring some financial parity to the general election.
Super-PACs such as American Crossroads and its nonprofit arm, Crossroads GPS, raised $100 million this election cycle, and the groups plan to flood the airwaves in coming months with ads critical of Obama.”
It’s these super pacs that Jay is writing about. they “donations” that don’t HAVE a limit or a paper trail……….
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:45 am
“Now, there’s no need to shed tears for the poor, underfunded Obama campaign. Overall, it continues to do quite well in its fundraising,”
Why I questioned Jay about Obama’s hypocrisy on Super Pacs, the quote above from his column clearly states that Obama is also being funded quite well………..
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
9:46 am
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:29 am
Will we become a decling welfare state under Obama, or will we return to our roots of Liberty, Capitalism, and individual responsibility?
What is sad JReb is that you believe these lies you are spouting even though there isn’t one shred of proof to them. The whole talk radio position is one based on hate and lies. They have perfected Josef Goebbels propaganda process. You are living proof. You live in abject terror and absolution irrational hatred of Barak Obama for no logical reason.
It’s sad, really sad.
____________________
Fred, how much more evidence do you need to realize what Obama has done and intends to do? He stated before reelection he is for spreading the wealth and he has set about doing so.
The line against Democrats for years has been big spending and big government. Obama personifies that.
I am sincere in my belief that more of Obama would be a disaster for America. I really, really hope we take all of congress and the white house so we can set about fixing his damage.
When I think of Obama supporters, I see too many with their hand out and others who would cut the Constitution to shreds. It’s sad, really sad.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:47 am
real john
The point is not that candidates raise money from donors.
It’s about the level of donations, the ratio between candidates, and more importantly, the industries they comprise.
Jefferson
April 24th, 2012
9:48 am
Somebody is wasting their money.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
9:48 am
The point Fred, is that Jay writes this article making out like Obama is so far behind in raising money for the election that there is no way he can catch up. Yet, if you read, and obviously you did, the evidence shows that it will take the “super-PACs” to even make it even. There are two sides to every story, and this seems to be the side that doesn’t fit so well with what we’re being fed here.
Road Scholar
April 24th, 2012
9:48 am
Redneck: Not only what your post says is true, but add that the American public is not smart enough to get differing opinions and can deduce the impacts and embrace a position/candidate passed on deductive reasoning! People who watch FOX don’t watch/get info from liberal sources, as does liberals who watch MSNBC. The majority have no patience to actually take the time get the facts and concurrent opinions from news shows that are on PBS. That lasts more than their 30 second attention time span.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
9:48 am
Will we become a decling welfare state under Obama, or will we return to our roots of Liberty, Capitalism, and individual responsibility?
Paul and Fred–I see that both of you rejected JohnnyReb’s summary of Obama’s Presidency. Although he paints with a broad brush and his strokes are somewhat exaggerated, I think his overall artwork is accurate, especially in regard to personal responsibility. From nearly his first day in office, Obama has attempted to divide our country into Villains and Victims. Even if there were some truth to that, it’s not healthy for our national psyche to think that way. Self-pity and resentment are among the most toxic of drugs. I look forward to Romney winning simply to hear a more positive message.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:49 am
Tester
“In other words, Bookman doesn’t believe in the principles on which he stands.”
So you think it’s a bad quality for a President to adjust to reality based on new circumstances?
And you’d prefer a President who never, ever adapts, no matter what’s going on in the world?
real john
April 24th, 2012
9:49 am
Jay,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/obama-fundraising-romney-cash-advantage_n_1441692.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
According to this article published two days ago, Obama is benefitting the most from Big Money donors…
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
9:50 am
’so we can set about fixing his damage.’
Jreb, what is your take on the Bush/Cheney admin? Cheney recently called the Obama admin an ‘unmitigated disaster,’ which is hard to take given the previous admin’s results.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:50 am
USinUK@ 9:43 :
Jefferson
April 24th, 2012
9:50 am
There are villians and victims, and something needs to be done about it. I like that outlook.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
9:51 am
Hey, USinUK, long time no converse with. You have a blog related to food? Do share please.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:51 am
Real John, where in the story does it say what you claim it says?
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
9:51 am
There are two sides to every story, and this seems to be the side that doesn’t fit so well with what we’re being fed here.
Irrational–Welcome to the Bookman Blog where half-truths reign supreme. I think most of us Cons come here primarily to make sure the whole story is told. That and to be an ass to the Libs.
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 24th, 2012
9:51 am
According to this article published two days ago, Obama is benefitting the most from Big Money donors…
Completely ignoring the SuperPACs….
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:52 am
(ir) redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com
Road Scholar
April 24th, 2012
9:52 am
Bruno: And what has the Repubs done?
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:52 am
“And you’d prefer a President who never, ever adapts, no matter what’s going on in the world?”
I’d prefer a President who doesn’t trash others for doing something, then turns right around and does it himself. The point people are trying to make is Obama shouldn’t had trashed the GOP for using Super PACS in the first place.
Why is that so hard to grasp?
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
9:52 am
There are villians and victims, and something needs to be done about it. I like that outlook.
I can only wonder how far that attitude has taken you in life, Jefferson.
Mark in mid-town
April 24th, 2012
9:53 am
For 2008 election, the monetary advantage Obama had over McCain was the greatest in history. That’s what allowed Obama to take states such as North Carolina and Indiana. For 2012 election, Obama will still most probably have the monetary advantage when all is put on the table. But Romney and the Republicans will be able to at least compete this time around because the Democratic Party’s ability to use government power to suppress the First Amendment rights of their political opponents was dealt a severe death blow by the Citizens V United decision. Nonetheless, it just means that the Republican candidate won’t get dwarfed this time around with regard to real spending. Let’s also not forget how Obama, far more so than any other president, has shamelessly been having taxpayers fund what are obvious political campaign trips, when such expenditures should really be paid by his campaign.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
9:53 am
‘Even if there were some truth to that, it’s not healthy for our national psyche to think that way.’
Bruno, you have bought the right wing talking points on this spin hook, line, sinker. You can spin Romney’s (or for that matter, anyones) words into an ‘us vs. them’ parsing.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
9:53 am
bruno
You couldn’t be more wrong….dividing our country? Who said I hope he fails from day one? More filibusters in the senate than previous 200 years? The guy walks into a crashed world economy and he’s the divider? What will romney do? Does he ahve the mojo and supernatural powers that obama doesn’t? We are all part of the same hypocrisy here only never point your finger at someone else without looking in the mirror…
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:54 am
“I think most of us Cons come here primarily to make sure the whole story is told. That and to be an ass to the Libs.
”
After numerous visits to the “other” blog………… I don’t blame you…… I would be on this one as well
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:54 am
(ir)Rational writes:
“Jay writes this article making out like Obama is so far behind in raising money for the election that there is no way he can catch up.”
What I actually wrote;
“Now, there’s no need to shed tears for the poor, underfunded Obama campaign. Overall, it continues to do quite well in its fundraising, although nobody really knows how much money will come pouring into the conservative Super PACs run by Rove and others as the race really begins to heat up. “
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
9:54 am
And what has the Repubs done?
I can haz Repubs?
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
9:55 am
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:26 am
“The defense industrial complex is making a play as well. As Politico reports, the defense industry is backing Republican candidates much more heavily than in recent cycles, with 60 percent of its contributions going to GOP candidates.”
Well of course they are. They know, no matter how dismal their performance, Republicans will give them more money, all the while saying “Solyndra’s an example of Democrats thinking government should pick winners and losers.”
I’ve posted before about the nearly one TRILLION in additional lifecycle costs for the F-35. (Sinkwich had a typical response – just give’me time. No such sentiment for renewable energy, though).
Now the Navy’s taking delivery of ships in the multibillion dollar littoral ship program. Taken delivery. As in accepted by the Navy. After some Navy leaders tried to kill it because it is sooooo expensive. The one delivered in 2008 has had 17 cracks in the hull which caused 640 equipment failures.
But Republicans say ’so what? We’re going to increase Defense spending!!!”
Yeah, big business know Republicans love to talk about responsibility and accountability. But not for them.
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The Rigth thinks the Left would turn America into a socialist state if they could get their way (and you would), and the Left thinks the Right wants big business and military suppliers to run the country – even to the point of starting a war just to make money.
The Left needs to realize our enemies are not like us. You can’t reason with them. The Left sees negotiation after negotiation as admirable. Our enemies see that as a weakness to be exploited. Our enemies understand but one thing – strength – a strong military. We have been through this foolishness before with Carter and Reagan fixing it.
As to new technologies, it is common to have unexpected failures where what is learned is incorporated into future production where possible. I saw this in my 32 years in big boy aviation and believe it true with new weapon systems such as light metal hulls on Navy craft.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:55 am
Bruno
I look at it more like, two teams are playing a baseball game, one team has bought the rules committee and the referees and have saddled the other team with 10-lb bats, no warmups, and 2 strikes and you’re out. Along comes a new rules committee and refs and they say ‘you’re both going to play by the same rules, and when it comes to picking new players from the draft, these additional rules will provide equal footing.”
The team with the advantages immediately begins charges of unfairness, penalizing initiative, and so on.
It’s just a difference in perspective. I tend to look way back and see how things used to be and where we are now, rather than starting from now and accepting that as the ideal.
Matti
April 24th, 2012
9:55 am
I don’t mind you being rich. I mind you buying my government.
With Citizens United, the Supremes took us in the opposite direction of returning this government of, by, and for the people back TO the people. Personhood is relative now, just as we were making real progress toward realizing the concepts of equality and equal protection under the law. Now in full retrograde, there’s no telling what kind of clusterfloogen awaits us. But it ain’t good, that’s for sure. Just look around. We’re devolving.
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
9:55 am
Really Jay? Really? I suppose there is no truth in this then….
From the, “you never hear about that from the media” file – Those “Evil, Rich People” that Democrats are always wailing about are actually – Democrats.
In fact, the Top 4 on the list: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison, Christy Walton are all Democrats. Together, they are worth $150 Billion Dollars.
An analysis of the Top 20 Richest People in America (from Forbes Top 100) reveals that a full 60% are actually Democrats. Furthermore, if you eliminate the duplication caused by people from the same family being included in that Top 20 list (Wal-Mart & Koch) that ratio widens even further to:
25% Republican / 75% Democrat.
MiltonMan
April 24th, 2012
9:56 am
Yes, poor ole Obama:
“In all, Obama had $104 million on hand at the end of March, while Romney had $10.1 million”
Directly taken from the AJC.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:57 am
Rich people aren’t evil, BMDPD. I wish you’d stop saying that about them.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
9:57 am
JohnnyReb: Nice catch phrases. Could you supply some examples?
The line against Democrats for years has been big spending and big government. Obama personifies that.
How so? He cut the size of gov’t. He trimmed almost a million gov’t jobs I think. He extended the tax cuts for the rich. He proposed a budget that cut almost 10 times the amount from the budget than the ones the republicans “accepted.”
When I think of Obama supporters, I see too many with their hand out and others who would cut the Constitution to shreds. It’s sad, really sad.
Hands out like the Oil Companies and other large corporations like GE who get huge subsidies and pay no taxes? THOSE “Americans?” Obama cut the Constitution to shreds like the so called Patriot Act and the TSA? You mean stuff like THAT?
Pull your head out of your ass and wake up JonhnnyReb. I THINK you have the intelligence to see the truth if you get your eyes out of theta warm dark place. The Republicans aren’t about to do ANYTHING for you and I. Why do you ensure that Rush Limbaugh doesn’t have to pay taxes on his 100+ million dollar signing bonus and his jet?
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
9:57 am
Who said I hope he fails from day one? More filibusters in the senate than previous 200 years?
Let’s not forget Senator Jim DeMint, six months into his Obama’s first term. crowing about the opportunity to “break” Obama.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
9:58 am
Big money. Did someone say, Big Money!
MiltonMan
April 24th, 2012
9:58 am
Come on – Obama needs alot of money in order to campaign in all 57 states.
Ivan
April 24th, 2012
9:58 am
The Obama campaign will be fine. He’ll get huge contributions from all the Green Energy companies he helped with the stimulus.
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
9:59 am
Funny, that is all you can come back with. Reality dictates that more super rich are Democrat (They may be evil), and Republicans generally give more to charity. (They are accused of being evil).
Paul
April 24th, 2012
9:59 am
JohnnyReb
“The Rigth thinks the Left would turn America into a socialist state if they could get their way (and you would), and the Left thinks the Right wants big business and military suppliers to run the country – even to the point of starting a war just to make money.”
When a response begins with premises that are incorrect, what follows is incorrect, too.
Georgia = Republican Controlled State
April 24th, 2012
10:01 am
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
9:25 am
**Will we become a decling welfare state under Obama**
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Georgia already has the title after over 10 years of Republican rule!! Thumbs up for Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal!!
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:01 am
One line from Jay’s link should be an eye opener…
More than $8 out of every $10 collected during the first three months of this year by two conservative groups associated with Republican strategist Karl Rove, for instance, went to a non-profit branch that does not have to reveal its donors.
It’s not about free speech, it’s all about buying the government. If it were an exercise in free speech, there would be no need or desire to hide one’s identity. Sad that so many people fall for this kind of crap, but when you’re used to being sold on “anything but …….” it doesn’t take much to fool people.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
10:02 am
‘The Rigth thinks the Left would turn America into a socialist state if they could get their way (and you would), and the Left thinks the Right wants big business and military suppliers to run the country – even to the point of starting a war just to make money’
This from one of the posters with his panties in a wad about ‘dividing our country.’
Oh, the irony…
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
10:05 am
The fact is that both parties have ‘rich’ donors. However, the media and hacks like Jay, generally try to portray the rich as Republican. That is another great lie that the leftests believe. Suckers!
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
10:05 am
“It’s not about free speech, it’s all about buying the government. If it were an exercise in free speech, there would be no need or desire to hide one’s identity. Sad that so many people fall for this kind of crap, but when you’re used to being sold on “anything but …….” it doesn’t take much to fool people.”
And the congregation said………….. “Amen”………
What’s up Bro?
Good post
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:05 am
“Now, there’s no need to shed tears for the poor, underfunded Obama campaign. Overall, it continues to do quite well in its fundraising, although nobody really knows how much money will come pouring into the conservative Super PACs run by Rove and others as the race really begins to heat up. “
So what’s the point of the article, Jay?
Paul
April 24th, 2012
10:05 am
JohnnyReb
“As to new technologies, it is common to have unexpected failures where what is learned is incorporated into future production where possible. I saw this in my 32 years in big boy aviation and believe it true with new weapon systems such as light metal hulls on Navy craft.”
Concurrent development, testing and production is a new phenomena pushed by defense industries and those in Congress who support them to insulate programs from challenges. It was not always this way. It used to be you wrote the software, built hulls that wouldn’t crack, and figured out the flight controls of aircraft BEFORE you delivered them to the services.
But it is a fact the standard now is, once a program is approved and work is spread out amongst the districts, that no matter what happens, no matter the poor management, product or performance, the money will come.
And that’s neither accountability or responsibility.
And if your ‘big boy” aviation was flying cargo, pax or fuel, you’re telling us you’d happily fly yourself and your crew on an aircraft with incomplete software, composite problems and undiagnosed life support problems?
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 24th, 2012
10:05 am
BMDPD@9:55
True.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:06 am
Fred @ 9:57
I think you fail because you “think” there’s intelligence there… Even after checking off all the talking points one by one.
mm
April 24th, 2012
10:06 am
“Obama has attempted to divide our country into Villains and Victims.”
You cons are so stupid. The GOP is taking money out of your pocket to pay for tax cuts for corporations. Who’s the real victim?
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
10:07 am
Jay – Mea culpa, you write an article demonizing the fact that people are donating money to what they think would be their best interest. Mentioning that Obama is doing well, but still making it seem like he isn’t doing as well as his opponent, when in fact the opposite is true. Obama is out raising Romney, and Political Action Committees that are able to spend their money on any candidate (oh nos, not free will, and the ability to make a decision based off what you deem might be right for you?!?!?!?!) are raising more money from people that are invested in making certain they’re able to continue doing business the way they feel is best for them. Interesting side note, which seems to be largely forgotten here, is that whoever is elected President of the United States, is President of the entire United States, not just the “little guy.” So that means that the guys on Wall Street have a vested interest in who becomes President, like it or not.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:07 am
They BOTH
Trying to stay out of this discussion. Reading this reveals how much dumbing down has devastated this country. If I were a bumper sticker manufacturer, I could make a killing selling to people on this blog based on the posts….
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
10:08 am
“Left thinks the Right wants big business and military suppliers to run the country – even to the point of starting a war just to make money’”
A 5 star general and Republican President of the US from 1953 to 61 was a “liberal”?
mmmmmmmmmmm
“This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
Mick
April 24th, 2012
10:08 am
“Wealth envy”, “evil rich”, and on and on…just talking points with no basis in fact but it’s very easy for the simple mind to access. I was informed two weeks ago that I received a grant from exxon-mobil to attend the sally ride academy in san diego in july – all expenses paid. They are putting me up in a five star hotel on the pacific ocean. I had to sign some release forms saying that they owned any photo’s, written work, or video produced while I’m there. I almost balked at that, those evil corporations just have to own me someways! However, I instantly reorganized my thoughts and simply concluded that I’m just getting a rebate for all the gas I’ve purchased from mobil. I don’t think they are evil and am thankful for the grant and opportunity…
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:08 am
Bruno: And what has the Repubs done?
Last I checked, Road Kill, the Repubs have only held the House for a little more than a year. I think your guys are the ones we need to be focusing on.
Bruno, you have bought the right wing talking points on this spin hook, line, sinker. You can spin Romney’s (or for that matter, anyones) words into an ‘us vs. them’ parsing.
LHU–I’m the one who WRITES the right wing talking points.
You couldn’t be more wrong….dividing our country?
Mick–I don’t remember any other Pres who attempted to divide us the way that Obama has. In virtually every speech, he attempts to demonize the wealthy. Toss in the gratuitous racial comments, and he’s got all of us feeling suspicious of our fellow Americans. Some people in life have been victims, but it is still unproductive to wallow in the misery.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
10:09 am
Bro
That could be a start of great business
bookman parrot
April 24th, 2012
10:09 am
To USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:12 am
So you buy into the “we will steal it from working people, and give it to some that won’t lift a finger to help themselves”
Jay
April 24th, 2012
10:09 am
To most people, Peadawg, the point of the article is quite clear.
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
10:10 am
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
9:50 am
’so we can set about fixing his damage.’
Jreb, what is your take on the Bush/Cheney admin? Cheney recently called the Obama admin an ‘unmitigated disaster,’ which is hard to take given the previous admin’s results.
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I was disappointed in Bush, not for the Iraq war but for his big spending and growing government. I also did not like the way the Iraq was was conducted – too many restrictions.
I highly respect Cheney and although I have no evidence, don’t think he was necesssarily for the programs Bush put in place that grew government.
Mary Elizabeth
April 24th, 2012
10:10 am
“This imbalance is, I think, the most important political story of this campaign cycle. It tells you a lot about the true nature of the race, the forces that are at work behind the scenes and what’s really at stake in this year’s outcome.”
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What is at stake is the very foundation of our democratic Republic. Will America continue to be a nation of the people, or will it become a nation of the few, of wealth and power? Whether we are conscious of it or not, in this next election, we will either choose either an egalitarian vision for humankind or a hierarchical one. Lincoln fought a Civl War, and died himself, for the continuation of the egalitarian principles upon which our nation was conceived. Will we, today, be so unaware of what is stealthily happening to transform our nation, and so uncommitted to America’s original ideals, that we will forfeit the concept that “all are created equal” by supporting a power lust mentality that seeks only to dominate – by wealth, privilege, and power – the many to serve the interests of the few?
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:11 am
MiltonMan
April 24th, 2012
9:56 am
Yes, poor ole Obama:
“In all, Obama had $104 million on hand at the end of March, while Romney had $10.1 million”
Directly taken from the AJC.
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So?
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And my “facts” have as much bearing on this conversation as your “facts” do. Unfortunately, you are too simple to understand that………..
Mick
April 24th, 2012
10:11 am
bruno
**Mick–I don’t remember any other Pres who attempted to divide us the way that Obama has. In virtually every speech, he attempts to demonize the wealthy. Toss in the gratuitous racial comments, and he’s got all of us feeling suspicious of our fellow Americans. Some people in life have been victims, but it is still unproductive to wallow in the misery.**
Funny how two people look at words; you call it division, I call it telling the truth…
gm
April 24th, 2012
10:11 am
Mitt will be looking out for big corporations, we will return to the Bush years with the middle class getting the short end of the stick, Gordon Gekko(Mitt) will return this favors if elected.
Gordon Gekko will deregulate wall street and let them run wild, this time there will be no come back, I hope all these people who hate Obama be the first in the soup line along with their families.
Jefferson
April 24th, 2012
10:11 am
This is not new, nor did the President divide anyone. Its been going on forever, its but in the last 20 years only one segment is taking more and more.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:11 am
They BOTH
I’m already working on a few tshirt designs. I may have to look into bumper stickers. Doesn’t seem like many people in this country can think in more than 140 characters at a time anymore.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:12 am
“To most people, Peadawg, the point of the article is quite clear.” – Nice dodge. What’s the point of the article, Jay?
It seems like Obama is doing just fine, even better than Romney (according to links that have been posted), with his donations.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
10:13 am
‘LHU–I’m the one who WRITES the right wing talking points.’
Then stop trying to divide our country…
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:14 am
Fred
I think that is more than I really ever wanted to know about yaks. That post begs the question, how do you know so much about yaks???
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:15 am
For 2008 election, the monetary advantage Obama had over McCain was the greatest in history. That’s what allowed Obama to take states such as North Carolina and Indiana.
Mark–I think the real story of the 2008 campaign was how close McCain made it, at least in terms of the popular vote. He was an old, tired, flawed candidate well past his prime who picked a goofball for VP. He had little money compared to Obama, and he had to fight a huge backlash against Bush. Romney is also somewhat of a flawed candidate, but I see his chances as being much greater than McCain’s. At the minimum, it will be a close race.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
10:16 am
Mick
That’s great!
Be sure to hit Old Town. Great Mexican breakfasts. Also Balboa Park. Great air and space museum. About 30 miles north of San Diego outside Escondido is the San Diego Wild Animal Park. It’s an extension of the San Diego Zoo. Animals wandering about, like in their native habitat. Then there’s Mission Bay and the beaches, even better beaches just up the coast along Del Mar or Carlsbad.. the mission San Luis Rey east of Oceanside… the Palomar observatory…
you sure you have to work while you’re there?
Jefferson
April 24th, 2012
10:16 am
Most of the enablers are backing up if they know it or not, some because they know they don’t deserve or earned what they get and don’t want to rock to boat others are just wannabes.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
10:16 am
mary
**What is at stake is the very foundation of our democratic Republic. Will America continue to be a nation of the people, or will it become a nation of the few, of wealth and power?*
Yes, yes, and yes! This is what the lowly republican robots do not seem to comprehend, they vote against themselves in spite of consequences that affect their lives…
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
10:17 am
Bro – I was actually wondering the same thing.
The Thin Guy
April 24th, 2012
10:17 am
Being an impartial observer of the passing parade you can be sure that Jay Bookman included contributions to the demoncraps from labor union goons, tinsel town thespians, and ambulance chasing lawyers. Have never understood the role of money in politics. No amount of money could ever get me to vote for the Marxist moron we have been cursed with for the past 3 and a half years. Of course, campaign contributions to demoncraps are very useful for hush money for mistresses such as John “Two Americas” Edwards. Interesting to read the rationale for another 4 years of what we’ve got:
*He’s black and we need a black president. Well he’s half black but you’ve got to take what you can get.
*Given another 4 years and he might do something right. Such as what?
*He’s a demoncrap. So is Illinois governor Blagobitch who at least has the virtue of being an American.
*If he loses his gig it will create massive unemployment in the teleprompter industry. Welcome to the crowd.
*And, oh he’s black.
Time to wok the dog.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:18 am
After numerous visits to the “other” blog………… I don’t blame you…… I would be on this one as well
Agreed. I’m still trying to figure out if “Jay” is simply a parody poster, however. He couldn’t possibly believe some of the crap he shovels here………
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
10:18 am
Why shouldn’t the rich be able to give a great deal of money to campaigns(of both parties)?…they fund the government, so it only makes sense that they should have more influence on who runs it or how it’s ran.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
10:19 am
paul
The schedule is very light, it really will be a treat…staying at lajolla lodge…thanks for all the tips, never been to san diego and I wonder if I will have the cajones to go hang gliding! I’m 50/50 on that..but the first thing I thought of was the zoo…
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
10:20 am
taking a wee post-Citizen’s United stroll down memory lane here…
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36561.html
Though the House bill, sponsored by Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), has two Republican co-sponsors — Reps. Mike Castle of Delaware and Walter Jones of North Carolina — the Senate bill has none. But Schumer said “a good number (of Republicans) have told us that they are favorably disposed to the legislation” and predicted the bill would get some GOP support.
Hey, anyone remember how that turned out?
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:20 am
Brocephus: My interest in the production figures of Yak dung and other Yak facts stems from this movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hA6dGRgYEM (From the Hip)
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
10:20 am
Lord Help Us – It’s really funny to see you post that the Right is trying to divide the country. Obama can’t run on his record and he is doing just that – dividing the country – just as fast as he can in hopes of being reelected.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
10:20 am
‘I was disappointed in Bush’
Jreb, thanks for the answer.
I am interested in how you see the Obama admin in such dramatic terms…I am guessing (just guessing) that during the Bush Cheney admin, you weren’t quite so apocalyptic.
When I look at the Bush admin, I see surpluses turned to deficits, two poorly administered wars and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. A truly horrific record, IMO.
I am not a big Obama fan and I am pleased that what I see as the most progressive of all the GOP candidates will be running against Obama. In fact, if Mitt can explain how he will replace Obamacare (instead of the repeal mantra) I may actually vote for him…
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
10:21 am
ty – That almost makes sense, careful, we’re not allowed to propose rational arguments that make sense here. Es ist verboten!
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
10:21 am
Mary Elizabeth….you are joking right? Tell me what the founding fathers would have said about gay marriage. Tell me why we have the right to bear arms. Tell me why the founders stated that the state will not interfere with religion. Why did they include illegal search and seizure. Look at the context in which the constitution was written. You libs try to distort and destroy everything this country was founded on and you make me sick.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
10:21 am
bruno
**He couldn’t possibly believe some of the crap he shovels here………**
The same goes for you, in spades…
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:22 am
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/tyler-perry-helps-obama-1424603.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm
“Tyler Perry helps Obama top Romney in Georgia fundraising”
Obama’s doing just fine. Jay’s just trying to find SOMETHING to complain about. Keep grasping for straws, Jay.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
10:22 am
all righty Fred and (ir) – the chicken salad recipe is up.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:22 am
“Obama raised more than $734,000 from Georgians in March, while Romney brought in $125,000, according to an Atlanta Journal-Constitution analysis of campaign finance disclosures.”
That’s a pretty big difference.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:22 am
I look at it more like, two teams are playing a baseball game, one team has bought the rules committee and the referees and have saddled the other team with 10-lb bats, no warmups, and 2 strikes and you’re out. Along comes a new rules committee and refs and they say ‘you’re both going to play by the same rules, and when it comes to picking new players from the draft, these additional rules will provide equal footing.
Paul–If you could, please fill out your analogy by:
(1) Identifying who these different “teams” are
(2) Explaining to me what rules were unfair in the past
(3) Showing me how the “new” set of rules makes things fairer
Thanks in advance.
gm
April 24th, 2012
10:22 am
This country was divided when Obama took office the first thing out of the racist Mitch McConnell of Ky mouth was my job is to make sure the President of the United States fail.
This is the most Anti America statment you could ever make, he is saying the hell with the American people, just get this man of color out of here, I bet he would never say anything bad about those black ball players who win championships at Ky.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
10:23 am
“you can be sure that Jay Bookman included contributions to the demoncraps ”
aaaannnnnd…. I stopped reading.
Mick
La Jolla?
Great little cove for swimming, nice aquarium, fine restaurants. I believe they have hang gliding and gliders right next door at Torrey Pines.
Take out a rider on your life insurance and go for it!
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:23 am
The Thin Guy
April 24th, 2012
10:17 am
Being an impartial observer of the passing parade you can be sure that Jay Bookman included contributions to the demoncraps
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And right there the poster is shown to be a big fat LIAR. He’s not an “impartial observer.” If he was why would he refer to the Left or Democrats as “DEMONCRAPS.”
I guess when you are a BIG FAT LIAR yourself, it’s easy to buy the lies of Fox and talk radio. But really Mr. Liar, don’t start your posts off with such an easily proved LIE and then expect anyone to read them or take them seriously………
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
10:23 am
Mary Elizabeth
egalitarian or eagleitarian
will be the choice in
November..
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
10:23 am
Great argument Ty.
Joel Edge
April 24th, 2012
10:24 am
“Now, there’s no need to shed tears for the poor, underfunded Obama campaign.”
I won’t.
Jefferson
April 24th, 2012
10:24 am
President Obama’s record is much better than President Bush’s record, the improvements are clear, the deficit is more of the result of Congress than ANY president. Keep thinking you know it all.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
10:24 am
Bruno
Not trying to equate myself with anyone, but it’s kinda like the New Testament and parables.
“Let he who has ears, let him hear.”
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
10:24 am
You libs try to distort and destroy everything this country was founded on and you make me sick.
You sure you didn’t write this?
Mr Right
April 24th, 2012
10:25 am
if Mitt can explain how he will replace Obamacare (instead of the repeal mantra) I may actually vote for him…
You are a fool if you don’t anyway!
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
10:25 am
Soros will get inside info on the dollar going down and will put millions in to pushing it lower. Then he will fork it over to Oblama. Kind of like when Tyson paid off Slick Willie with the cattle futures in Hillary’s name. Whatever the Repubs get from the private sector Soros will double to Oblama and the Dems. Socialists for Soros…… always support the candidate on the far left.
Matti
April 24th, 2012
10:25 am
Will America continue to be a nation of the people, or will it become a nation of the few, of wealth and power?
Plutocracy does not happen by accident. It does not simply evolve. The few who mean to hold the lion’s share of the wealth and all the power are proactive. They started planning for their dreams decades ago, and strategically implementing the layers of the foundation for what will be the 21st Century American Feudal System: Plutocracy via Corporatocracy.
Sure, the common working folks like to hold on to our founding doctrines, that we are equal here and anything is possible if they work hard, and they too can be among the wealthy few one day if they just believe hard enough! Just like those of us who buy lottery tickets, they ignore — or they just don’t understand — the math.
Is it an “accident” that math scores in America have been declining for decades, compared to students in the rest of the world? Only if you believe in accidents.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:25 am
OBAMA has sharp dropoffs in large donations from nearly every major industries including Hollywood, Wall Street, doctors and laywers……….
is it just me or have the media and liberals not read between the lines on that non-verbal communication………………..
mm
April 24th, 2012
10:26 am
“Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) shocked the Florida Council Against Sexual Violence this week when he vetoed $1.5 million in funding for 30 rape crisis centers in the middle of Sexual Assault Awareness Month.”
And the GOP’s war on women continues.
Mr Right
April 24th, 2012
10:26 am
President Obama’s record is much better than President Bush’s record, the improvements are clear, the deficit is more of the result of Congress than ANY president. Keep thinking you know it all.
Now that is the laugh of the day!
Jay
April 24th, 2012
10:26 am
Calm down, Fred. He was referring — sarcastically — to ME as the impartial observer.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
10:26 am
paul
That’s the lodge I’m staying at la jolla at torrey pines…yes, it’s going to be a great summer of 2012! Might as well enjoy it since the end is near…
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
10:27 am
gm
April 24th, 2012
10:22 am
This country was divided when Obama took office the first thing out of the racist Mitch McConnell of Ky mouth was my job is to make sure the President of the United States fail.
This is the most Anti America statment you could ever make, he is saying the hell with the American people, just get this man of color out of here, I bet he would never say anything bad about those black ball players who win championships at Ky.
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Grow up, gm. Every Democrat wants Romney to fail. Ever Democrat wants McConnell to fail.
Republcans wanted Obama to fail because they knew beforehand what he would try to do to the country.
The Party of No has said No becuase they don’t agree with the Obama agenda.
BTW, I think Limbaugh was the first to publiclly state he wanted Obama to fail.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
April 24th, 2012
10:28 am
Soros is one of the top capitalists in the world and has written several books on capitalist theory. He frequently speaks at Cato and has donated over $50 million fighting communism in Eastern Europe for the Orange and Rose Revolutions.
Only poorly informed Beckerheads think he is a Socialist.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
10:28 am
Matti
April 24th, 2012
10:25 am
__________
Do the match and figure the chances of starting off in the middle or below and winding up in the top one half of one per cent. Not real good odds.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
10:28 am
Paul , well Mick I assume – I’ve heard (can’t confirm it is true, just reporting what I’ve heard) that right outside the Salk Institute, which if memory serves is in the La Jolla area, at the bottom of a cliff there is a nude beach. Not suggesting you partake, just mentioning its existence. Think of it as a PSA.
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
10:29 am
“Being an impartial observer of the passing parade you can be sure that Jay Bookman included contributions to the demoncraps ”
Nothing like belying the first part of your sentence only a few words later
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:29 am
Jay
April 24th, 2012
10:26 am
Still waiting for the point of the article. Or a nice admission of false poutrage after the links that have been posted showing Obama’s doing better than Romney.
carlosgvv
April 24th, 2012
10:29 am
Snooki has become popular in many American households. And some of you wonder why so many of our Republican politicians now live in the political gutter.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
10:29 am
Jay – I hear your favorite Dem C-Mck is running again. Since C-Mck is running on the Green Party this time instead of the Dem Party are you still going to support her? Like an unwelcome roach under the door Cynthia McKinney is back! Chavez is financing her campaign.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
10:29 am
Oblama, that tin-foil hat … does it get hot in the summer?
I suppose that you could poke holes in the aluminum to let the heat out, but that would probably allow those microwaves to penetrate into your brain. Then where would you be, right?
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:30 am
“I won’t.”
great….now go back in your corner and look at the wall.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:31 am
jefferson
are you talking about the Democratically controlled Congress of 2007-2010?
The one that has the worst deficit record in HISTORY?
Jay
April 24th, 2012
10:31 am
Peadawg, I’m sure UGA has remedial reading classes available to help you out.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:31 am
It’s not about free speech, it’s all about buying the government.
Bro–And maybe YOU can enlighten me how an election can be “bought”. In the end, the money can only buy advertising. If that advertising is effective, then voters are swayed. Now, if one candidate has, say 20x the amount the other candidate has, then I could see your point. But that’s not the case in this election.
Will America continue to be a nation of the people, or will it become a nation of the few, of wealth and power? Whether we are conscious of it or not, in this next election, we will either choose either an egalitarian vision for humankind or a hierarchical one.
ME–You repeat that same “egalitarian vision” crap here day after day. At some point, philosophy has to turn into tangible policies. What tangible policies can you point to that the Dems have passed in the last 3 years which fosters this “egalitarian vision” you keep referring to?? From my perspective, it’s been a bunch of empty rhetoric designed to stir people’s emotions.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
10:32 am
irrational
Nude beaches are not my cup of tea, but I wouldn’t turn down an invitation to the playboy mansion…
Matti
April 24th, 2012
10:32 am
Oscar,
Exactly. It’s one thing to wish they could defeat insurmountable odds, but the disturbing thing is voting as if they already have and intend to keep others from doing so. It makes no sense.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:32 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/turned-off-from-politics-thats-exactly-what-the-politicians-want/2012/04/20/gIQAffxKWT_story.html
These days, the average Senate candidate raises and spends $9 million to win election, which works out to slightly more than $4,000 for each day of a six-year term. For the average House candidate, it’s $1.4 million, or just under $2,000 per day in office (including Saturdays, Sundays and holidays). These sums are several times what they were 25 years ago.
If anybody ever wondered why the debt is shooting upward, there’s a good explanation. When you have a candidate(s)/elected official(s) who can’t operate within a decent budget on their own, what do you expect them to do when they get their hands on the big checkbook?
The only way I see we can exit this downward spiral is to put candidates on a set budget from the time they decide to run for office. Get rid of all that outside money, and corporations/unions/wealthy benefactors would have far more money to recycle through the economy instead of using vast sums to buy off politicians. Just my thoughts on this subject….
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:29 am
Its pretty simple…..just showing the contrast of the 2 campaigns and WHERE the money is coming from.
1)Wall Street
or
2)Main Street
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
mm – Yeah, I’m sure that didn’t have anything to do with money.
Having said that, I’ll add the disclaimer that I don’t think that was a good place to try and save money. Also, I don’t know, and you haven’t offered any context that would suggest whether this is simply an isolated incidence where he is picking and choosing which bills to veto based off what they’re for, or who sponsored them, or if he is vetoing all spending bills that are outside the budget in an attempt to save money. Basically, I’m saying you can look at it two ways, but until you have more facts, you’re just going for irrelevant talking points.
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
“This is the most Anti America statment you could ever make, he is saying the hell with the American people, just get this man of color out of here, I bet he would never say anything bad about those black ball players who win championships at Ky.”
well, being that mitch mcconnell is a Louisville man, he probably has said many bad things about UK’s basketball team…on top of the obvious “racist” things of course…”resist you much”.
Paul
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Mick
Yeah, after November it will be no more!
Late for the gym – enjoy.
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(ir)Rational
Black’s Beach was the subject of many a high school boy’s dare of ‘let’s go this weekend.” One of those things talked about, never done.
But update for today: go to WalMart. Look around. Close your eyes and think “and this is what they’d look like at that beach,….”
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
“Peadawg, I’m sure UGA has remedial reading classes available to help you out.”
Dodging questions w/ smartars responses? Can’t admit you were wrong.
Jay, I thought you were better than that.
Guess not.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
matti
did you notice that when the Plutocracy was exposed from the Citibank papers in 2009 that both parties and the media kind of swept it under the rug. Especially when it exposes that both parties are for the rich and have gamed the system to favor them?
MiltonMan
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Fred – your facts = cut and paste about Yak facts.
How liberal of you.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Oblama is raking it in from Planned Parenthood, Trial Lawyers, Labor Unions, Hollywood and AARP. etc. – He’s not starving.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:34 am
Mitt will be looking out for big corporations, we will return to the Bush years with the middle class getting the short end of the stick, Gordon Gekko(Mitt) will return this favors if elected.
gm–I’m going to have to call you onto the carpet for some specifics as well. In what tangible, specific ways are the middle class better off than 3 1/2 years ago??
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
10:34 am
“Peadawg, I’m sure UGA has remedial reading classes available to help you out”
Especially since he appears to be the only one who can’t figure out what the point is.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:34 am
Boy the CONs oh here get “viagra” moments talking about C-Mck….lol
weetamoe
April 24th, 2012
10:35 am
But but it wasn’t that long ago that Obama supporters were boasting that he was set to receive a billion dollars in campaign donations. Obama played the dirtiest of politics when he betrayed McCain by backing out of their deal on funding in 2008. At long last republicans are learning how the game is played. What’s for dinner at the white house tonight: leg o’ lab or rack of lab? Maybe lab chops?
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
10:35 am
But Bros.
Money is speech!
And speech is totally free, man.
(if you can afford it.)
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
10:35 am
Will America continue to be a nation of the people, or will it become a nation of the the few, of wealth and power?
Like these folks…
Bill Gates – (D) Richest man in America
Warren Buffett- (D) Second richest man in the USA
Larry Ellison – (D) Third richest man in the USA
Don’t forget – Michael Bloomberg, George Soros, Sergey Brin, Larry Paige, Christy Walton, Jeff Bezos, Steve Ballmer, Anne Cox Chambers and Paul Allen.
All are Dems and are in the top 20 richest people in the USA.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:35 am
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
10:18 am
Why shouldn’t the rich be able to give a great deal of money to campaigns(of both parties)?…they fund the government, so it only makes sense that they should have more influence on who runs it or how it’s ran.
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That’s a GREAT attitude for a serf or field hand. Massa treats you GOOD………. you just do what massa say and you be alright. Since Massa so much smater than you.
Thanks Ty, that explains all we need to know about you and your unwavering support for the Right.
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
he betrayed McCain by backing out of their deal on funding in 2008
Zombie lie! cannot die!
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
Mick – That was why I was saying to consider it a PSA. Like maybe a “stay away PSA.” From what I’ve heard, nude beaches aren’t exactly a great place for eye candy. Unless you’re into, older out-of-shape men. I was told about this one in college when we were discussing the Salk Institute, and the professor mentioned that he had been there once and wandered “accidentally” onto the beach in question. None of us believed it was an accident, as he was the type to be into older, out-of-shape men.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
JOE, my issue is with this sentence: “This imbalance is, I think, the most important political story of this campaign cycle.”
Jay totally misses and continues to overlook the imbalance in 700k for Obama to 100K for Romeny in Georgia last month. He’s just pouting just to pout. It’s funny.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
“Especially since he appears to be the only one who can’t figure out what the point is.”
Exactly….. he must have read it too fast.
gm
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
JohnnyReb
Amazing how the rep become the party of no when Obama was trying to get help for Americans who at no fault of their own, but was the party of yes for Bush to send billiions of our tax dollars to Iraq to build up their country.
I just can not see how you people call your self Americans”””
Mary Elizabeth
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
“. . .they vote against themselves in spite of consequences that affect their lives…”
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Mick, I believe that many have bought into the propaganda, promoted by the few of power and wealth, that what is good for the very wealthy will “trickle down” to everyone. But, more sadly, many Americans have, themselves, internalized a “lust for power” mentality that values dominating, “winning,” and controlling others. This is not a football game that we are playing in America. This coming election could well be a transformation of the very consciousness of our nation. We must, again, see that the values of mutual cooperation and service to others are more to be valued than mercenary self-interest. Ultimately, “the arc of the moral universe (will) bend toward justice,” and the universal concept that “all are created equal” will prevail in our world. I, only, hope that America will continue to be the nation to carry that universal banner into the future.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:31 am
———-
The health care reform act increased the number of people who can qualify for medicaid, and offers help to those who can’t afford health insurance, amoung other provisions that reduce inequality somewhat.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:37 am
brosephus
the best way for us to limit the use of $ as free speech in campaigns is to add an amendment to the constitution
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
10:37 am
“Obama can’t run on his record”
let’s see … falling unemployment, improved economy from when he took office, Osama dead, we’re out of Iraq and on track to leave Afghanistan
I’d run on it.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:38 am
Jay: Calm down, Fred. He was referring — sarcastically — to ME as the impartial observer.
But why would he do that? you AREN’T an impartial observer, you are a paid political opinion columnist. one who “leans” to the left. Just as Lil’ Kyle is one who “leans” to the right. Nothing impartial about either one of you.
Now if I start seeing you write news stories I expect impartiality…………..
Jack
April 24th, 2012
10:38 am
Bookman is baitin’ you guys. He voted for Romney and he knows that Obama doesn’t really want another four years of making empty promises: he wants to play golf with those secret service guys after his first and only term. He’ll even make Carter look good as an ex.
Erwin's cat
April 24th, 2012
10:38 am
Haha
What’s the bigger message here?…have you heard John Lovitz lately?
O’s doing fine contribution-wise…don’t kid yourself
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:39 am
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
Try the imbalance between wall st and main street. No one is disputing that Obama is raising money, but pointing out WHERE the monies are coming from is a different thing.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
10:39 am
“Peadawg, I’m sure UGA has remedial reading classes available to help you out.”
Isn’t that a little advanced for U(sic)GA?
Mr Right
April 24th, 2012
10:39 am
Why would the people with money give to the Dems since they are the ones that declared war on the the rich (class warfare). Reminds me of the crabs in a bucket story. when there are many crabs in the bucket, if one tries to crawl up the side, the others grab hold of it and pull it back down so that it will share the same fate as the rest of them.”
So it is with people. If one tries to do something different, get better grades, improve herself, escape her environment, or dream big dreams, Obama will try to drag her back down to share their fate.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
10:39 am
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:32 am
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One other thing that would help is to increase the number of televised debates That would help level the playing field.
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
10:40 am
Fred,
Just pointing out that we have an unfair tax code, so we might as well have unfair/shady campaign finance policies.
Gator Joe
April 24th, 2012
10:40 am
The nonsense about what the “Founding Fathers” intended is getting old. The “Founding Fathers” didn’t intend for women, indentured servents, slaves, and Native Americans, non-free holdrs to vote or have a say in the governing. Most of the founding fathers were wealthy and were more intent on preserving (and increasing) their wealth than on granting liberty.
As for the wealthy GOP donors, they would rather spend millions to buy a Presidency and legislatures, than to do their fair share with regard to taxes. As for the corporations, it’s about not having to spend money for worker health and safety, decent wages and benefits, and bothersome regulations which protect air and water quality.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
10:40 am
Jay – weak dodge. I know you LOVE C-Mck but she is not fashionable right now so you won’t come out of the closet for C-Mck. Chavez enjoyed her visit and has endorsed C-Mck.
Matti
April 24th, 2012
10:40 am
Uncle Samantha @10:33,
You mean the mythical liberal media that the cons keep whining about? The media that buried the two-paragraph story on the missing billions in Iraq after 15 minutes and then inundated us for WEEKS — on every single channel, broadcast, and site — about how Sponge Bob Square Pants was corrupting our society by encouraging children to accept the “gay lifestyle” as valid?
Yep. Distractions, deflections, bread, and circuses. (Bread not guaranteed.)
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:41 am
stands for decibels
obama did break his promise………… abcnews and huffington post
On Thursday, Sen. Barack Obama announced that he was opting out of the public financing system, in the process forgoing “more than $80 million in public funds” for the more bountiful loot that could await him later.
As a result, Obama will become the first modern presidential candidate to run a race solely on the back of private funds. The move risks sullying his reformist credentials; Obama had promised last year to try to reach a deal with the GOP nominee to accept public financing. His decision to forgo public funds — which he said came after a refusal to compromise by McCain campaign officials — was quickly lambasted by his Republican opponent.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
10:42 am
“Boy the CONs oh here get “viagra” moments talking about C-Mck….lol”
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww…. ew.. ew. ew. ew .ew .ew EW!!!!
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:42 am
matti
cockroaches hate light…they scatter when you turn a light on them……… its time for a new media that sheds light on cockroaches……….
the atlanta urinal and constipation wont do it
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:43 am
They started planning for their dreams decades ago, and strategically implementing the layers of the foundation for what will be the 21st Century American Feudal System: Plutocracy via Corporatocracy.
Matti–Maybe you can help me out. Seems that Paul, ME and gm are unable to back their general platitudes up with specific examples of how Obama has fought against the Plutocracy and Corporatocracy. I’m sure you won’t let me down.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:43 am
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG – You think Tyler Perry is “main street”? Yikes.
Doggone, after the rebuttals that have been posted I’m not sure Jay knows the point of his article anymore since all he’s responded to me with are 2 smartars responses..
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
April 24th, 2012
10:43 am
There may be a supreme court seat or two opening up between 2012 and 2016 as well.
Non-conservative donors will step up for Obama when push comes to shove. But there probably is little hope for those lower on the totem pole.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:43 am
MiltonMan
April 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Fred – your facts = cut and paste about Yak facts.
How liberal of you.
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Well THAT was particularly insipid, even for you. Was it so “conservative of you” to cut and paste your facts from the ajc lol?
Hypocrisy much? No need to answer, the answer is in virtually every one of your hypocritical posts lol.
Brosephus™
April 24th, 2012
10:43 am
And maybe YOU can enlighten me how an election can be “bought”. In the end, the money can only buy advertising. If that advertising is effective, then voters are swayed. Now, if one candidate has, say 20x the amount the other candidate has, then I could see your point. But that’s not the case in this election.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/turned-off-from-politics-thats-exactly-what-the-politicians-want/2012/04/20/gIQAffxKWT_story.html
Read that for starters. Voters don’t necessarily have to be swayed. You simply turn them off and keep them from wanting to vote. That way, the more die-hards have more sway at changing the direction of elections. Given the current approval ratings of DC, that’s not very hard to accomplish.
too little time
April 24th, 2012
10:44 am
It never ceases to amaze me how liberals… NPR and Jay B, for example… constantly harp on money taken in and spent by Republicans when our POTUS is , BY FAR, they biggest recipient and spender of campaign funds of all time.
Whatever is given to the GOP, Dems have taken in about 50% more in the 2008 and 2012 elections. If you are looking for “bought” politicians, look no further than the White House.
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
10:44 am
obama did break his promise…
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you know absolutely nothing, nada, zilch, zero about what that so called “promise” (your term) entailed.
If you can produce a link to this “promise” within a minute or so I’ll stand corrected.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:44 am
Snooki has become popular in many American households. And some of you wonder why so many of our Republican politicians now live in the political gutter.
In case you were unaware, carlos, Snooki is a Democrat. According to what I’ve heard, George Zimmerman is also a registered Democrat. Any reason you Dems are loathe to embrace your own??
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
10:44 am
Fred,
oh, and I didn’t say rich democrats should be limited in their donations. So I’m not just showing my support for the “Right”.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
10:45 am
“Obama had promised last year to try to reach a deal with the GOP nominee to accept public financing. His decision to forgo public funds — which he said came after a refusal to compromise by McCain campaign officials — was quickly lambasted by his Republican opponent.”
promising to try to reach a deal /= reaching a deal.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:46 am
GATOR JOE
women and minorities couldn’t vote!!!!!! you just proved the great wisdom of the founding fathers
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
10:46 am
“Doggone, after the rebuttals that have been posted I’m not sure Jay knows the point of his article anymore since all he’s responded to me with are 2 smartars responses”
Isn’t it odd? Everyone else here seems to know the point very well. YOU appear to be the only one with a problem about it.
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
10:47 am
gm – there you go judging the Right on their resistence to welfare; i.e., the war is bad, it sucks money that could be “given” to the poor, disadvantaged, or down on their luck.
Welfare is an absolute failure. Over 40 years of it and hardly no improvement. How anyone could continue to back it is unbelieveable.
And, I just don’t see where little Barry was denied any money. He increased the debt by about 5 trillion. How much more do you think he should have been given?
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
10:47 am
Gaytor Joe, what exactly is fair share? Do some tax research.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:47 am
“Everyone else here seems to know the point very well.” – IT should be very easy for Jay to explain it then. Yet he hasn’t. Hhhhhmmmmmmm
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
10:48 am
“IT should be very easy for Jay to explain it then. Yet he hasn’t.”
Maybe he has doubts about your ability to understand it…since you seem to have shown that inability already.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:49 am
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
10:40 am
Fred,
Just pointing out that we have an unfair tax code, so we might as well have unfair/shady campaign finance policies.
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Yeah you are right. It;’s time us “rich” people paid the same percentage of tax as the poor people. I only paid 10 percent this year and had I done a better job of reading the loopholes I would have either paid zero percent or even better gotten some money from the poor people who can’t afford a good accountant like I have.
I see we are in agreement. But I still think though thta I should just have 1 vote just like the poor people. Just because I make more money than them and pay a lower percentage of my net wealth in taxes than they do doesn’t mean I should get more votes………
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:49 am
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:43 am
It went right over your head my friend. Lets try this another way….cumulatively, when you look at the numbers, you see where “87 percent of its contributions” are a million plus donations to the GOP(Romney). Now compare that to Obama’s.
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
10:50 am
It is funny how Cynthia McKinney puts all of the Republicans at attention. She puts a lot of fear in their hearts. Be afraid, be very afraid!!
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:50 am
stands for decibels
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/obama-opts-out-of-public-_n_108018.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91692442
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/06/obama-to-break/
huffington post
npr
abc news
not exactly fox news is it
zeke
April 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Short reason- THERE IS NOTHING POSITIVE ABOUT OBOZO OR ANY OF THE CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRAPS!!!
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Bruno – 10:44 – considering Snooki said in interviews that she voted McCain, I wouln’t put too much faith in whoever told you she was a Dem.
as for Zimmerman, I really don’t care what political persuasion he is …
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Just received the definition of a new word that I think is appropriate to this discussion…..
INEPTOCRACY
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Instead of moving to the center he moved further left. His fear of erosion within his far-left base have cost him among Independents along with those on Wall Street who backed him in 08 and big business donors.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:52 am
are you kidding i am voting for cynthia……… my rep right now is worried about an island flipping over and capsizing because it has toomany heavy vehicles on it
hank the tank
ty webb
April 24th, 2012
10:52 am
Fred,
10%!…you’re a patriot…you’ve paid more than the majority of citizens…kudos.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:52 am
“It is funny how Cynthia McKinney puts all of the Republicans at attention.”
I dont understand it….nobody’s talking about her and the CONs get all hissy fit like she running for Gov.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
10:52 am
Kool – Yes I think C-Mck should be Oblama’s running mate instead of Biden. They think a lot alike – Michelle and C-Mck are good pals I hear. Probably goes to Reverund Rat’s church and sleeps in the upper level pew like Oblama does. That’s why Oblama never heard what the good Rev was ranting about – just snoozing away.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:53 am
The health care reform act increased the number of people who can qualify for medicaid, and offers help to those who can’t afford health insurance, amoung other provisions that reduce inequality somewhat.
Oscar–Thank you for at least making an attempt to put out some specifics as to how Obama has made our world a little better. However, simply handing out more welfare doesn’t really qualify as “leveling the playing field” in my book.
I’ve got to say that I’m extremely disappointed with you Libs this AM, Paul in particular. Y’all keep repeating the same empty campaign rhetoric that Obama has been pushing, never noticing that he has done absolutely nothing to help the middle class. It may be a case that you’re even more afraid of what Romney will do, absent any actual achievement from Obama. If so, I’m okay with that outlook, as long as you are honest in saying so.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:53 am
Bruno: Ever see Snooki with no make up on? http://www.zeromakeup.com/snooki-no-makeup
USinUK: When did the French steal my chicken salad recipe? Except I use pecans instead of walnuts………
Jm
April 24th, 2012
10:54 am
Politico: Obama going to likely lose NC
carlosgvv
April 24th, 2012
10:55 am
Bruno – 10:44
I knew I would have to draw you a picture.
Jersey Shore is a trash TV show whose popularity reflects the general dumbing down of America. Since most of the dumbed down are Republicans, it’s easy to see why they are so easily swayed by Republican brainwashing and propaganda.
Why do I think most of the dumbed down are Republicans? Because the bought and paid for Repuiblican Party caters entirely to Big Business and makes no effort to hide this fact. And yet, millions of simple Republican voters, like you, still support them 100%. They care nothing for you and you are too mindless to even realize this.
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
10:55 am
INEPTOCRACY…….. A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
Pretty well sums it up, nes’t-ce-pas?
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
10:55 am
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
10:52 am
_________
have to disagree. I will stay with Hank. He was right to question is Guam had a sufficient solid rock base to withstand the weight of the new constructiion. Many islands are shale or coral based and would not support any heavy infrastructure.
And even if you don’t buy the above. It’s better to have someone a little dumb than someone outright crazy.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 24th, 2012
10:55 am
“If the big-money investment pays off and the GOP ends up with control of both the White House and Congress, you will see a significant impact on the policies and priorities coming out of Washington. Tax law, environmental rules, labor relations, entitlements — we’re likely to see a repeat on the national level of what Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin attempted to do at the state level in 2011. It will make the Bush years seem tame by comparison.”
Jay: You hit the nail on the head ! This is EXACTLY what the country needs !
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:55 am
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
10:52 am
*ZZzzZZ* Do better…
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
10:56 am
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:52 am
They are upset because she called out George Bush on his stance about the war. They could not understand how she could be so open and truthful about W!
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
10:56 am
“you see where “87 percent of its contributions” are a million plus donations to the GOP(Romney). Now compare that to Obama’s.”
Again, what’s the point of the poutrage if Obama’s doing better than Romney? I guess I just don’t get it.
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
10:56 am
I just don’t understand how you guys can ignore the truth or only see one side of things. You ignore that the wealthy pay almost all income taxes through their corporations or personal income tax. You ignore that 75% of the richest people in the USA are Democrats. You ignore the fact that the ‘evil’ Republicans give more to charity.
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
10:57 am
JOE COOL I bet if she uttered the work boo, Oblama would run and hide!! too funny!!
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
10:58 am
BMDPD: I’m glad that you believe and spout talk radio lies and talking points. The rest of us know better than that no one but the top 1 percent pays taxes” BS.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Voters don’t necessarily have to be swayed. You simply turn them off and keep them from wanting to vote. That way, the more die-hards have more sway at changing the direction of elections.
Again, Brosephus, you are pointing to the effect that advertising has on voters. A far cry from “buying” an election. Years ago, when I worked in East Atlanta, buses would roll through on election day, urging people to jump on board via loudspeakers. Once on board, you were “counseled” on how to vote. I never saw any money changing hands, but rumor was that you could get $5 for jumping on. That’s what I would call “buying votes”.
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Kayaker 71, That should also mean that the Democrats should now be known as Ineptocrats.
Generation$crewed
April 24th, 2012
10:58 am
They are both controlled by folks with lots of money.
How many folks you all know on Main Street who can afford $30k+ fundraising dinners? That is a lot of folks entire earnings for the year.
Why bash the right for getting its money the way it does?
Bill Gates could even it up quickly if he chose to, he is a democrat right? He bought a book for $30 million so he has money to waste.
The GOP is only playing by the set rules! One would be a fool to not take advantage of the rules when they benefit them.
Was it not a smart move on Obama’s part to turn down the $80+ million in campaign finance in 08 because he knew he could raise more thru other means? Yes.
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
10:58 am
uttered the WORD boo
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
10:59 am
“You ignore that 75% of the richest people in the USA are Democrats.”
Not intended to be factual.
Erwin's cat
April 24th, 2012
11:00 am
didn’t McCain agree to public financing when it was on the table
gm
April 24th, 2012
11:00 am
JohnnyReb
People like you have to get off your high horse and hit rock bottom before you can understand some of these people have lost their job, and most of these people are single mothers with kids.
5 trillion of the money went to bailouts, unemployment, I know you people on the right hate other Americans but when 911 happen you had a different tune, during the great depression in the 20’s the gov helped other Americans you right wing job had no problem building up Iraq with our tax dollars but have a problem with this great President helping our own, we have to many inside terrorist and they are on the right.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
11:00 am
“Michelle and C-Mck are good pals I hear. ”
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight …
they go way on back.
care to prove it???
Mick
April 24th, 2012
11:00 am
Off topic – the new three stooges movie completely skewers jersey shore and especially snooki – loved it!!
Jm
April 24th, 2012
11:00 am
Scott Walker is a good governor
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
11:01 am
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:53 am
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I agree the health care bill response was pretty weak, and have been trying to think of something better, but can’t. He has tried to raside taxes on the super wealthy but got nowhere with that.
I think raising taxes on those with incomes over a million a year would help.
The basic problem is we are in global competition, have lost our manufacturing jobs and most of our new jobs are in financial services. The people who have lost their jobs are not qualified to fill those jobs.
Obama has encouraged increase funding for education and training but has gotten nowhere with that.
And you are right about fearing that Mitt would make things worse. Better to have someone who will at least maintaine the status quo than to have someone who will make it worse.
Example was in the Battle of Atlanta when Davis replaced Gen. Johnson with Gen. Hood.
Rickster
April 24th, 2012
11:02 am
“From Wall Street to Hollywood, from doctors and lawyers, the traditional big sources of campaign cash are not delivering for the Obama campaign as they did four years ago,” the Times reports.
Maybe that’s because Obama’s economy has cost his donors the huge amounts of money they misguidedly contributed back in 2008.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:03 am
Kool – C-Mck isn’t running for governor – wouldn’t have a chance. She is running in her former socialist district against the incumbent Dem that beat her last time. A debate between the two should be on The Comedy Channel. Only thing I am scared of about C-Mck is that she will assault another police officer. Yes her temper tantrums make her a danger to society and herself.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
11:04 am
Democrats are now attacking romney’s religion
Sick
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
11:05 am
Bruno – 10:44 – considering Snooki said in interviews that she voted McCain, I wouln’t put too much faith in whoever told you she was a Dem.
Did some quick research, USinUK, and it turns out Snooki claims to be neither Dem or Republican according to the Huffington Post.
as for Zimmerman, I really don’t care what political persuasion he is …
I can pretty well guarantee it would have been highlighted if it had turned out that he was a registered Republican. But, since it didn’t fit into Jay’s “Most racists are conservative” meme, his political orientation was never mentioned.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:05 am
OSCAR
you have changed my mind back to hank………… you are correct……. i think i now remember hank was having some dificulties that he had rehabbed………. it wasn’t dumb it was just him dealing with demons…….. and now i remember how cynthia was ……..
hank has never been divisive
Recon 0311 2533
April 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Jay, just think of your silver lining should the Republicans win the W.H. and both chambers of Congress, you’ll have red meat for your minions every day to help sooth their angst. On second thought you’ll still have us Con’s around to rub it in.
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Oblama says,
Channel. Only thing I am scared of about C-Mck is that she will assault another police officer. Yes her temper tantrums make her a danger to society and herself.
be afraid now, go hide because she is coming to get ya!! ha ha . She was right about W.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:06 am
rickster
not true, the liberals are all clamoring that big business is SITTING ON PILES OF PROFIT they won’t spend to creat jobs……….
they are CHOOSING not to donate to him in large amounts
just enough to say we care if he is re-elected
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Don’t worry Jay. Oblama has support from the Hollyweird left like that unfunny non comedian Bill Maher. Hate speech is his specialty.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:07 am
Back to corruption as usual.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
11:07 am
**since it didn’t fit into Jay’s “Most racists are conservative” meme**
Where do you come up that?? I think you are projecting a bit, yes?
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
11:08 am
I can pretty well guarantee it would have been highlighted if it had turned out that he was a registered Republican.
I think that is a pretty fair and accurate statement lol. However, given the Republican reaction to the case would it have been unfair (although no less disingenuous) to highlight his party affiliation had he been a Republican?
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
11:08 am
I knew I would have to draw you a picture.
carlos–Try drawing you picture with something other than crayons next time.
I just don’t understand how you guys can ignore the truth or only see one side of things. You ignore that the wealthy pay almost all income taxes through their corporations or personal income tax. You ignore that 75% of the richest people in the USA are Democrats. You ignore the fact that the ‘evil’ Republicans give more to charity.
BMDPD–Why let the facts get in the way of a perfectly good political rant??
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:08 am
jm,
Planet kolob?
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:08 am
Joe Cool, sorry I did not type that in the proper context (Something you lying libs should be used too.) 75% of the 20 richest Americans not named Walton are Democrats.
Fred, what is a fair share?
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
11:08 am
“Democrats are now attacking romney’s religion
Sick”
Republicans are STILL attacking Obama’s religion. What’s your point?
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
11:09 am
“What hog wash; this guy has shaken down more folks than the feared GOP.”
Details please?
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:10 am
C-Mck/Oblama ticket would get Bernie Sanders vote.
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
11:10 am
Money drying up for Bozo?….. Perhaps there are a lot of people out there that do not want to back a loser. The economy, Bozo, the economy. Political friends are a fickle lot. It’s not about birth control, women’s rights, Romney’s religion, green energy, our status in the world, the black and hispanic vote, Treyvon Martin, George Zimmrman, eating dogs, trips to New York on a date, bowing to Muslims…… it’s the economy, Bozo, the economy. And your lack of talent in bringing it back is going to be responsible for your vacating government housing in November. Nothing else…… just the economy.
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:11 am
For those who say I am lying….You may not like the source, but the data is sound.
http://newamericangazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Campaign-Contributions-of-20-richest-people.pdf
271 more days
April 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
10:08 am
RIGHT ON
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Don’t forget folks, this is your last year to cash in on those Bush tax cuts unless you get them extended again. That $85,000+ of fed and payroll tax free income off investments ends this year. Have each of you cashed in on your capital gains and qualifying dividends? Remember to check those dividends to make sure they are qualifying dividends or else you’ll get stuck with paying taxes as though it was ordinary income.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
11:12 am
Bruno – What’s wrong with drawing with crayons? I earned a degree by doing that, and now I get paid for doing that.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:12 am
What’s the matter? C-Mck is your hero and you can’t us poking a little fun at her. C-Mck votes Oblama.
Rickster
April 24th, 2012
11:12 am
“Tax law, environmental rules, labor relations, entitlements — we’re likely to see a repeat on the national level of what Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin attempted to do at the state level in 2011.”
Gee Jay, you make it sound like that’s a bad thing!
captguitarman
April 24th, 2012
11:12 am
“The move risks sullying his reformist credentials.” ???? Uncle Samantha, please enlighten the class with regard to the real and effective application of — let’s just call it “hope and change” — since President Obama’s inauguration in January of 2008. I must be missing something. It was all just a bunch of fatuous happy talk, very quickly exposed for what it wasd by the means and methods used in the House and Senate to cram down Obamacare on an unwilling electorate. It will not be an option for Obama this time around. You may have noted that neither he or the Dems ever mention Obamacare unless asked or goaded into it. There is very good reason for that from where they sit. So, promises of a “new way of doing business” and all the other BS is not going to fly this time around. He is no “reformist” – he is a a Chicago politician, and as deep in business as usual as George Bush ever was. If you have seen a “new way of doing business” you must have special glasses. Romney is not the perfect choice – who would or could be these days? But we need someone in that chair that understands business, economics, finance, global finance and markets, and the economic threat that China brings. Hopefully, the Senate will become Pub too so some things can get done that need to be done. Like having a budget, for example – the Dems have failed to create one since Obama was elected, preferring to just continually raise the debt ceiling and throwing the nation into panicked debates about how the Pubs want to hurt all Americans by trying to just slightly close the gushing fire hose nozzle we call deficit spending. Hey, maybe the “no budget idea” was part of that hopey-changey thing.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
11:13 am
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:08 am
Joe Cool, sorry I did not type that in the proper context (Something you lying libs should be used too.) 75% of the 20 richest Americans not named Walton are Democrats.
Fred, what is a fair share?
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Ask Neal and Rush, they are the ones programming you. I don’t play your stupid little games. I DO think however that it’s equitable that I should pay the same percentage as my neighbor. Especially since my neighbor make about 25% of our household income. Why should they pay 34% and I pay less than 10? Because I have a better accountant? I pay almost as much for my 4th grade daughter’s school as they make, yet they paid more in actual dollars AND percentage wise than I did………….
So what do YOU think is a “fair share” since you seem to be all about “fair shares” and other talk radio lies………….
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
11:13 am
Can we survive 8 more years of Bush?
The last couple years of his adminstration should give us all pause… as if the first couple shouldn’t…
What’s truly “sick” is you nutbags wishing for more after we’ve had to live through all it foisted upon us to begin with.
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
11:13 am
it’s the economy, Bozo, the economy.
That is what the 2010 election and wipe out was about! What have the Repubs done to help the economy! All the laws that were passed were to hinder women and hispanics! What is the Republican Party doing for the U.S.?
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:13 am
But yet…you libridiots continue to ignore facts. You just twist them to the shape you want them in.
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
11:15 am
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
10:50 am
It is funny how Cynthia McKinney puts all of the Republicans at attention. She puts a lot of fear in their hearts. Be afraid, be very afraid!!
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Afraid? BS. Our reaction is astonishment; that anyone would support her. And, that so many on the Left have supported her in the past. Looney Tunes
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:15 am
Our President needs a new house of reps.
The speaker said he will get one.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Why does Oblama need money to campaign? Anyone with a “D” beside their name automatically gets your vote anyway. You don’t have a clue of what Oblama voted for in Congress and don’t care. Just vote “D”. See that didn’t cost Oblama a dime.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Where do you come up that?? I think you are projecting a bit, yes?
Mick–In case you missed it, Jay point blank stated late one night that “Most racists are conservative”. I challenged him directly a few times to provide some kind of proof, and all he could come up with was a few personal anecdotes about who he has banned here in the past.
Add to that his placement of a picture of a hatchet-wielding Lester Maddox in an article about Ryan Paul which claimed that Ryan was NOT a racist, and I think his MO is pretty clear. Jay associates racism with conservatism, and isn’t shy about using his bully pulpit to advance his unsubstantiated claims.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Peadawg
That it is sick for politicians to attack another’s religion
And only the nutjobs have been claiming the Muslim thing
The democrat governor of Montana has been attacking Romney and his religion
Not a crackpot blogger
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
11:17 am
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
11:15 am
I have never been a fan but one thing that I can say is that she was right about George W. Bush!!
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:17 am
Bruno, did you check my link? How are those facts? Once again, you ignore the truth.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:17 am
Now that the cons are marginalized, the gop are very happy.
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
11:17 am
“Money drying up for Bozo”
Hey Peadawg! Looks like you’re not alone in not getting the point!
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
11:18 am
Just think… Enron, WTC attacks, Internet bubble, Heckuva job Brownie, I stared into Putins heart he’s a good man, housing bubble, offshoring, wall street collapse…
HARDER… FASTER…
That’s what your GOP gazillionaires are buying. It harms us all, but the rushbots among us march in lockstep with what Rush the pill-popping gazillionaire tells them…
Sick
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
11:20 am
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Why does Oblama need money to campaign? Anyone with a “D” beside their name automatically gets your vote anyway. You don’t have a clue of what Oblama voted for in Congress and don’t care. Just vote “D”. See that didn’t cost Oblama a dime.
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And so President Obama get the same mindless fanatical party hacks like you as the Republicans get, 30 percent. That leaves 40 percent of us however who actually think for ourselves. OUR votes are teh ones they are trying to get. You fanatics are meaningless as you cancel each other out.
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
11:21 am
“……..reduce inequality…..”
Please quote the Constitution where it states anything about “inequality?”
The inequality talk means Social Justice among other things. There is no guarantee in America that individual outcomes will be the same. The guarantee is Liberty to pursue your dreams.
I’m sick of all the cry babies wanting Social Justice and equality – that’s code for, I don’t have as much as you; you should give me some of yours.
We have laws that guarantee no discrimination. That’s it, that’s all you get. The rest is up to you.
td
April 24th, 2012
11:21 am
Jay Bookman wrote:
“On the other hand, things may be considerably tougher for Democrats lower on the ballot. If individual candidates are targeted for defeat by deep-pocket GOP Super PACs, they may not have the financial resources they would need to respond.”
It sure is going to be harder when the leader of the Democratic party told the House and Senate re election campaigns that they would not be receiving any of his $1 billion.
Just proves that all Obama cares about is getting himself re elected. It does not matter if he can govern or not for the next two years.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:21 am
captguitarman
you want me to enlighten the class on hope and change?
ok
hope and change is a slogan that was used to elect a democratic president in 2008 who will protect the plutocracy in place that keeps rich democrats and republicans in power
no new slogans for 2012 have been coined that have taken affect to protect the plutocracy for this election
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:21 am
And Fred….you didn’t have to take all those deductions. You chose to take those deductions! If you want to pay your fair share, just don’t take your mortgage deduction or charitable deduction (if you actually give to charity).
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
11:22 am
“You don’t have a clue of what Oblama voted for in Congress and don’t care.”
After 8 years of Shrub, did it really matter what Obama voted for? Throw a brainless political hack one heartbeat away from the office for good measure, and it really didn’t matter one whit what the opposition voted for, we knew exactly what the GOP side stood for, and would continue to stand for. Except now they’ve double downed on everything, and increased the size and magnitude of their lies.
Sick
Mick
April 24th, 2012
11:22 am
bruno
Well, personally I don’t see it but it is a fact that the southern democrats of the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s have now parked themselves in the republican party, lyndon johnson said as much, so there is that. I can’t speak for jay but it is a broad indictment to say the least…
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
11:22 am
So, I’m noticing a new, well not new but interesting, trend here. When a question is proposed, or an argument made that isn’t easily answered by some, they automatically refer to it as a “talk radio lie.” For the latest evidence, see Fred’s 11:13. He claims that it is only a “talk radio lie” that has produced the idea that the “rich” need to pay their “fair share” of income taxes. When, with a little work, I could find plenty of examples from Obama saying those words, or something similar enough that even the most poorly educated among us could figure out that that is what he meant.
So, I’m asking, Fred, what is your fair share? You seem to be upset about the idea that you paid much less than your neighbor, why didn’t you offer to split the difference with them if you’re bothered by it? Or is it that you are happy to pay as little as you can, and then expect others to pay more than they are required to by law as long as it doesn’t affect you?
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:22 am
Dang, you liberidiots sure get quiet when presented with facts.
http://newamericangazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Campaign-Contributions-of-20-richest-people.pdf
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
11:22 am
White working America, which you have conveniently written off, is getting more and more tired of the excuses. Like Gilda Radner said, “It’sa always a somthin”. The Japanese tsunami, Greece, Germany, Spain or Portugal, the Euro debt crisis, George Bush, failure to buy a Chevy Volt, oil speculators, those evil corporate jet passengers, those EVIL rich people, Wall Street, the stock market……… the list goes on and on. Always someone else’s fault. Never yours. Narcissists are that way, so I am told. It is never their fault, always someone else. This chin in the air egotist better enjoy the free ride while he and his wife can. It is soon to be over.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:23 am
Vote “D” for DEPRESSION.
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
11:23 am
Republican Dream Killer
April 24th, 2012
11:17 am
JohnnyReb
April 24th, 2012
11:15 am
I have never been a fan but one thing that I can say is that she was right about George W. Bush!!
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Even idiots sometimes get things right. A stopped clock is correct twice a day, etc. etc.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:24 am
rightwing troll
wait!!!!!!!!!
you mean obama actually voted when he was in the Senate????????
i thought he was just PRESENT
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
11:25 am
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:13 am
But yet…you libridiots continue to ignore facts. You just twist them to the shape you want them in.
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Too funny. You mean the way you twisted your “75percent of the wealthiest Americans are Democrats?” I saw your link you republican hacks massaged the data so you could “turn” a 40/60 split into a 25/75 split lol.
Libertarian
April 24th, 2012
11:25 am
Well, when you attack the rich and your main philosophy for winning the election is to create a divide between the haves and the have-nots, what can you expect? Does Obama think rich people are just going to keep on taking his attacks?
As for myself, I will donate to Romney but haven’t yet. I was waiting for him to be the “official” nominee. I think after he is, the small donations will increase.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:28 am
kayak
you mean father guido sarduci
and you can’t quote a right wing radical catholic in a post………
liberals will not allow that type of church/state violation
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
11:28 am
The basic problem is we are in global competition, have lost our manufacturing jobs and most of our new jobs are in financial services. The people who have lost their jobs are not qualified to fill those jobs.
Oscar @ 11:01–Thank you for making an attempt to bring some substance here today. I agree that much of what ails our economy is out of the control of politicians. And if Obama stated it that way, I’d be fine with him. But, with him, it’s all about identifying those Villains and Victims.
Bruno – What’s wrong with drawing with crayons? I earned a degree by doing that, and now I get paid for doing that.
Good one @ 11:12, Irrational. Some of us are lucky enough to make a living doing what we enjoy anyway.
Bruno, did you check my link? How are those facts? Once again, you ignore the truth.
BMDPD @ 11:17–I must have missed your link, will look for it.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:28 am
willard hired a gay spokesman and the cons are very upset.
willard is kicking you cons while you are down.
Stay home this cycle cons.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
April 24th, 2012
11:28 am
New American Gazette
Conservative Voice for a Conservative Nation
…and I always thought it was a satire like The Onion…
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
11:29 am
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:21 am
And Fred….you didn’t have to take all those deductions. You chose to take those deductions! If you want to pay your fair share, just don’t take your mortgage deduction or charitable deduction (if you actually give to charity).
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So what’s my “fair share” there Sport? YOU are the one using that little term, you ain’t seen it come off my keyboard. I’m not a socialist like you. I’m not a mindless political party fanatic like you. I’m independent. I know that is a tough concept for someone like you who can’t think for themselves but there it is. I don’t NEED Rushie and Neal to do my thinking. I don’t have to use their catch phrases and steal their words in order to “communicate” MY beliefs……. you do.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
11:30 am
Bruno – That isn’t exactly what I got my degree for, but if you ask my family, that’s what they think. I do do (hehe) what I like though.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:31 am
Lets see, the last time the gop had power we had the worst attack on a city, two occupations and a depression.
What could go wrong?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:31 am
fred
i agree
all i hear is FAIR SHARE
i want once and for all ……… A QUANTITATIVE DEFINITION of FAIR SHARE
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
11:32 am
Republicans are so owned.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
11:32 am
yaker
I am white working america, never took a dime of welfare, food stamps or any assistance. I have issues with the welfare state too, after all I live in miami where fraud is out of control!!! Guess who those people are voting for? Clue: not democrats. So, what needs to be done is major crackdowns on the fraud and outright theft of taxpayer money, that would be a good start…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:33 am
GETALIFE
you can’t blame that on BUSH and the REPUBLICANS
they inherited all that from DEOMOCRATS
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
11:33 am
My favorite type of Republican. Guess this is they type of “small business owners” they refer too all the time:
Gotta love GA!!
“Sign Uses Racial Slur to Refer to President”
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/local_news/Sign-in-Temple-Uses-Racial-Slur-to-Refer-to-President-20120423-pm-pk?obref=obinsite
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:33 am
Maybe Oblama will nominate C-Mck for the Supreme Court…… would be in line with the views of his other nominees.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
11:34 am
The Bush/Cheney and Obama/Biden admins sure do make the Clinton/Gore days look good…
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:35 am
kay you ignorant slut is more like it.
You cons never take blame for w.
Period.
271 more days
April 24th, 2012
11:36 am
Peadawg
Maybe Jay should have taken a writing course at his school, wasn’t it Penn St?
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:37 am
Uncle Sam,
Shhh, cons have collective amnesia about w’s collapse.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
11:37 am
BMDPD–I saw your link, but already knew that many/most of the wealthiest Americans vote Dem. But, shhhhh, don’t tell carlos or rightwing troll, who came out with this gem:
That’s what your GOP gazillionaires are buying. It harms us all, but the rushbots among us march in lockstep with what Rush the pill-popping gazillionaire tells them…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:41 am
getalife
no really …….. they inherited it from Clinton
Clinton allowed Osama Bin Laden to grow into a force by his lack of action……… and Clinton allowed the internet bubble burst that lead to his FED GUY Greenspan to make easy money to low that lead to a housing bubble
now Bush is responsible for Iraq…. that was his blunder
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
11:41 am
Gotta run, but have to express my disappointment with the Libs here today one more time. At some point your campaign slogans need to match up with reality. For all of his bon mots and egalitarian vision, Obama hasn’t done squat to help the middle class. But for some reason, you guys keep portraying him as a champion of the working man. Pretty sad.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
11:42 am
‘Clinton allowed the internet bubble burst’
Oh. My. God…
mm
April 24th, 2012
11:43 am
Judging by the number of con posts today and the increase in lies, I believe they must have seen Boehner’s admission that the Dems make take back the house.
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:43 am
Fred, the only fair and equitable tax system(s) would either be fair or flat tax. In the progressive system someone always gets punished. Oh wait though…life isn’t fair and it is not the government’s job to level the playing field.
Libertarian
April 24th, 2012
11:44 am
JOE COOL
And here’s an interesting one for you:
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/
Mick
April 24th, 2012
11:45 am
bruno
Pretty myopic views yourself; do you really expect us to turn to the republican party for relief??? After the last disaster, it ain’t gonna happen and once again it’s not who to vote for, but against. Seems both sides are dug in on that…
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:45 am
It is true Clinton/Gore did not get obl.
Our President did.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
11:45 am
‘In the progressive system someone always gets punished.’
And what, pray tell, is the GOP nominees’ position on the progressive tax system? (hint: the same as Bush/Cheney and Reagan/Bush).
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Definition of “fair Share” depends on whether you are a Dem or a Repub…. to a Dem it means when everyone is poor, getting a Fed government check and miserable they will think it’s fair. Repubs prefer for everyone to be happy and working for someone besides the Fed government. I’m neither Dem nor Repub but I prefer happiness to misery….. definition of a conservative.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Libertarian
April 24th, 2012
11:44 am
Confused as to what your point is………..
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
huffington post
npr
abc news
not exactly fox news is it
Also not a link to the actual “promise” Obama supposedly made.
Shall I post it? (I guarandamntee you none of the trolls who’ve cried about the “promise” have actually read what he committed to in 2007.)
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:49 am
The again, Clinton/Gore was not handed two occupations and a depression so I would have to give our President credit for cleaning up that mess too.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
11:49 am
**but I prefer happiness to misery….. definition of a conservative.**
Interesting what people can make themselves think when they make up their own definitions…
Libertarian
April 24th, 2012
11:50 am
JOE COOL
That bigotry is everywhere, amongst ALL races and political persuasions.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
11:51 am
Looks like getalife met his match in the troll department with UNCLE SAMANTHA.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:52 am
stands for decibels
you sound idiotic and sneaky like Clinton – “its according to what the definition of “IS” is”
your logic is that if Obama didn’t state the word “promise” then it wasnt a promise
the party of trial lawyers…………… think of the guy that got casey anthony to walk
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
11:53 am
Another definition of fair share is “send me all of your money and I will return what I don’t need.” That is also the new Oblama tax plan in a nutshell.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
11:54 am
“think of the guy that got casey anthony to walk” – That was the prosecution’s fault. He had NO evidence to convict her of murder. He already had 1 foot out the retirement door.
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
11:55 am
Uncle Sam, why don’t you just admit that you don’t know what Obama agreed to do?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:55 am
getalife
i am confused with liberal logic……….. i thought Obama saved us FROM a depression………. not that he cleaned us up out of one……………
if you use that arguement then Bush saved us from a depression as well
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:55 am
Pea,
Uncle sam is a con.
Penny Pincher
April 24th, 2012
11:56 am
gm
April 24th, 2012
10:11 am
“Mitt will be looking out for big corporations, we will return to the Bush years with the middle class getting the short end of the stick, Gordon Gekko(Mitt) will return this favors if elected.”
GM, you may be right about Mitt and I am not sure he is the right man for the job, but from where I sit, the end of the stick is currently pretty short with Mr. Obama in charge. Cheers
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
11:56 am
getalife – That’s supposed to be news?
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
11:56 am
Libertarian
April 24th, 2012
11:50 am
uhhhhh yeah….had nothing to do with the link. I was speaking of politics, and you brought in crime.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
11:56 am
stands for decibels
so you and only you know what obama agreed to?
getalife!
you deny news reports from mainstream media
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:57 am
Uncle Sam,
w used socialism to save the banks with no strings attached.
Yes, he gets credit for that..
Mick
April 24th, 2012
11:58 am
sam
Actually, if you ever need to give a deposition, I suggest you study clinton’s. It is by far one of the most brilliant and is rooted in the simple philosophy that your answers shouldn’t do the work for the questioning attorney. In order to give a correct answer, you should have the correct question or stick with yes, no, or can’t recall. Thanks bill clinton!!!
Get Real
April 24th, 2012
12:00 pm
How can you possibly make this argument with all the money in Obama’s campaign war chest (nearly 1 billion)….truly unbelievable and the lackeys just jump on board with ever word you speak ….
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
12:00 pm
Mick – That is a good philosophy if you’re ever in trouble. I may have to remember that.
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
12:00 pm
so you and only you know what obama agreed to?
Nope, plenty of people have gone and looked at the Common Cause questionnaire. I’m just saying that — oh, I’ll guess here — 90-95% of the online whiners who complain about this “broken promise” never bothered to at all.
anyway, here it is, since so many here are too lazy to bother looking it up:
http://www.commoncause.org/atf/cf/%7Bfb3c17e2-cdd1-4df6-92be-bd4429893665%7D/MDNNATIONALRELEASE.PDF
His reply to the question appears on page 5.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
12:02 pm
Oblama’s campaign platform : class warfare/ race warfare/ sex warfare/ age warfare/ ……. and don’t forget victim warfare. Oblama is “The Great Divider”.. This campaign is about the economy, jobs and the alarming Fed debt and how to reduce it. Oblama is about smoke and mirrors and how to divert your attention from the economy which is a loser for the Dems.
Fred ™
April 24th, 2012
12:02 pm
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
11:43 am
Fred, the only fair and equitable tax system(s) would either be fair or flat tax. In the progressive system someone always gets punished. Oh wait though…life isn’t fair and it is not the government’s job to level the playing field.
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You are the only one here spouting of about “fair’ and “fair share” here Sport. And THEN you want to add your little “life is fair” crap? Who are you talking to? Yourself? must be since you ARE the only one speaking ‘fair.”
To me “fair” is something usually held in the fall that has rides cotton candy, livestock judging and crooked games where you try to win a kewpie doll. But then I’m not a mindless partisan fanatic……….
Mick
April 24th, 2012
12:03 pm
irrational
I had to give a deposition three days after clinton’s so I was very curious about the process, I’m so glad that I watched him or else I might have made some terrible mistakes…
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
12:04 pm
sfd – So you’re assertion that “(t)hat’s why I have also made the pledge that my campaign will not accept money from special interest PACs or registered federal lobbyists” doesn’t equate to a promise not to accept money from PACs or lobbyists?
Or am I having reading comprehension problems?
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
12:04 pm
So far, I hear Republicans saying that they want lower taxes and the repeal of Obama’s healthcare legislation. Is that an accurate assessment?
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
C-Mck for the Supreme Court and how Oblama can get her their with a Dem Congress.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
“How can you possibly make this argument with all the money in Obama’s campaign war chest (nearly 1 billion)”
Not intended to be factual. No wonder you guys vote GOP with such poor reading comprehension.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
You cons are not taking being marginalized by the American voters too well.
Earth to cons, the American voters think you are liars and insane.
Life is good.
Oblama
April 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
Here tomorrow – gone today.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
Mick – The Mrs. will soon be a lawyer and would probably give me similar advice. She has this philosophy that “rules are meant to be followed, and laws are meant to be broken.” Interesting take, but also a good moral philosophy.
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
12:10 pm
(t)hat’s why I have also made the pledge that my campaign will not accept money from special interest PACs or registered federal lobbyists
You’re aware of the date on that particular document and of the campaign in question, yes?
The “promise” in question upthread, was about whether to participate in federal matching funds or forego them. His “Yes” was conditioned on working out and agreement with his eventual GOP opponent.
carlosgvv
April 24th, 2012
12:10 pm
Bruno
Posting on a regular basis here has resulted in your ignorance becoming the stuff of legend.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
12:12 pm
I personally am thankful that President Obama has decided to fight a fair fight in the upcoming campaign and accept all the same types of support that the Republicans are accepting. I am going to miss those Bush tax cuts though when Obama gets re-elected and refuses to given in to the Republican whines for more tax cuts for the wealthiest. And I don’t really care if the Republicans consider that extra 4+ billion per year in added taxes on people like the Koch crooks as a trivial amount of money.
Old timer
April 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
And NO big money people give to the democrats….what a one sided article…..good thing it is on the opinion page…
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
12:16 pm
sfd – So, he said that where? I’m not going to take the time to do your research for you, your assertion, your burden of proof. You said, he didn’t make the promise, which he clearly did, with no conditions offered in the response. You provided the document that I’m quoting from, and indeed told me exactly where to find the quote. So, where exactly, in what you’ve provided me with, did he add the condition you’re now claiming to his response that I quoted?
To answer your other question, yeah, I have the ability to read, so I was able to read (oddly enough) the date at the top of the document. Since that is where this particular discussion came from, I would think some one as smart as you would be able to see the relevance.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
I don’t see where Old Timer got that claim about no big money people giving to Democrats. Could someone point that out to me.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
stands for decibels
you assume i complain about a broken promise…… and you are wrong
i fully understand that $80 million versus the potental of $250-500 he was raising …….that is a no brainer
but for as much as democrats COMPLAIN about $ in campaigns you sure are hypocritical when it benefits your candidate…
BMDPD
April 24th, 2012
12:18 pm
Fred, your argument is so weak about me being a mindless partisan fanatic. As I recall, your orignal statement implied that the rich don’t pay their fair share. That argument is crap! Why don’t you read CNN’s front page. Here is a link to the story.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/04/24/pay-gap-rich-poor/?hpt=hp_c1
You see the real person who is being discrimated against (by the left) is the educated individual from a solid home.
td
April 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
getalife
April 24th, 2012
11:31 am
Lets see, the last time the gop had power we had the worst attack on a city, two occupations and a depression.
What could go wrong?
Tell you what we can pull and Obama and say 911 was caused by Clinton not taking action to take Osama when Sudan offered him up. As far as the reason for the housing bubble crash, have you ever heard of the community reinvestment act?
Case closed it was all Clinton’s fault. Bush was the best President this country ever had.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
“I don’t see where Old Timer got that claim about no big money people giving to Democrats. Could someone point that out to me.”
Who knows….. for all you CONs who need it, thank me later:
Online Course: Reading Comprehension 101 -
http://www.universalclass.com/i/course/reading-comprehension-101.htm
.
Lord Help Us
April 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
‘Bush was the best President this country ever had.’
And your basis for this claim is…
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
“Bush was the best President this country ever had.”
Bless your poor lil heart.
I will leave it for history to judge w.
jhf
April 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
Big-money donors bet heavily on the GOP – of course jay, they vote in their best interest and try to go with a winner.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
President Clinton advised our President to use willard’s words against him.
Perhaps our President should hire President Clinton to balance our budget again.
(ir)Rational
April 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Well, I’m going to go eat something and then work for the rest of the day, y’all have fun arguing in circles.
willie lynch
April 24th, 2012
12:28 pm
Two unfunded wars, the medicare Part D program, the deregulation of the financial markets, the hamstringing of the SEC, tax cuts that never should have taken place and this all leads to the collapse of the American economy with ripple effects felt around the world.
Does it not occur to you on the right that the S& L debacle of the 80’s and the near collapse of our country in 2008, were presided over by Republican administrations? How many times do you have to repeat the same mistake? What have the Republicans put on the table that makes you think they have changed their tune? Every time I hear them they are singing the same refrain ” Don’t raise taxes on the job creators.” If they had the tax structure they wanted under “W” what happened to the jobs?
To borrow from carlosgvv, “…your ignorance is becoming the stuff of legend.”
JB
April 24th, 2012
12:29 pm
Obama in big trouble with Michelle. She went into the White House kitchen and saw Barack at the stove cooking something……See went over and said, You damn fool, I told you to “walk” the dog.
td
April 24th, 2012
12:29 pm
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
“Bush was the best President this country ever had.”
Bless your poor lil heart.
I will leave it for history to judge w.
Just using your own logic and abilities to reason against your ranting points.
JB
April 24th, 2012
12:32 pm
Romney ought to tell the American people he will promise not to blame Obama everyday for four years…….That ought to be good for 10 million votes.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:34 pm
td,
I am flattered .
Thanks.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
Yes, when the gop win, collapses happen.
Why vote for another collapse?
The majority will not vote for that now or in 16.
Get use to being marginalized cons.
in other words
April 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
Obama is one and done. Get your kleenex ready libs…oh wait, you all need food stamps to buy kleenex.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
Remembering John Lennon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt3IOdDE5iA
Don't underestimate
April 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
President Obama bought the election in 2008 with an unprecedented fundraising and spending machine. He spent 2x or more than anyone had ever spent and something like 60% more than Senator McCain. He couldn’t lose. Those who underestimate his ability to raise and spend the bucks hasn’t studied too much.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:41 pm
Yeah, thanks to citizen united, soros could donate a billion if he wanted to.
td
April 24th, 2012
12:41 pm
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
Yes, when the gop win, collapses happen.
Only because they are cleaning up the previous Dem administrations mess. You Dems better hope the GOP wins because we are real close to having the entitlement bubble burst in this country and if the Dems are in charge when this one bust then they not be back in power for 50 years.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
For anyone who feels the need to “start over”.
For getalife, Del and anyone else here who is facing health problems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4C5_JQtkrc
JB
April 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
Imagine the urban area’s when the money runs out. Won’t be a Democrat for miles.
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
12:45 pm
“Pretty myopic views yourself; do you really expect us to turn to the republican party for relief???”
Hmmmmppphhh… hehehe… bwahahaha…!!!
Good one. Like the multi millionare bought and paid for by a handful of gazillionaires is gonna help the middle class…
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
12:47 pm
“Bush was the best President this country ever had.”
Did Dusty stop by?
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
For all of the beautiful ladies here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-x1FsvOAz4
MiltonMan
April 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
“Get use to being marginalized cons.”
…and all this time I thought we were in firm control within the state of Georgia. On second thought, we do need more Hank Johnsons.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
12:54 pm
Finally, one for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq7jLEnZw6s
Jimmy62
April 24th, 2012
12:56 pm
And big donors from other countries donate to Obama since his fundraisers don’t require any sort of CC verification.
Lest we forget, Jon Corzine, who lost over a billion dollars of investor’s money and has no idea what happened to that money, is Obama’s top bundler.
Ahh, but Jay is too partisan to bring that up.
Don't Forget
April 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
This is kind of a drive by post on an unrelated subject but if you’re worried about healthcare costs, solve this problem.
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/24/11371569-health-care-laws-leave-hospitals-overwhelmed-by-permanent-patients?lite
Jm
April 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
Again, money doesn’t impact elections
Kiki told me and I checked and she’s right
jms
April 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
“as long as they keep selling the myth that ‘through hard work, you, too, can become one of us’”
Hey, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
1:07 pm
if you’re worried about healthcare costs, solve this problem.
DF–I’m sure you’re trying to draw attention to the problem of the uninsured, though in this case the woman was an undocumented illegal alien who wouldn’t be eligible for ObamaCare anyway. The REAL problem in our health care system is buried a little deeper in the article:
“It would be cheaper to take these patients and send them to the Ritz Carlton,” said Harvard University School of Public Health Professor Ashish Jha. “They could get room service all day, and that would be cheaper.”
St Simons - beach philosopher
April 24th, 2012
1:08 pm
‘Oh, he’ll still owe them. But what he owes them they may not like.’
yeah, and ‘ditto’ (heheh) to the 99% who got the shaft in this
30 year clusterf** debacle called supply side jaysus trickle down.
They owe you, too, neocons.
You’re rackin up quite a karma, cons. Wouldn’t wanna be you.
Mad Max
April 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
Glad to see you leaning to the left again Jay.
It would have been nice to see their warchests side by side instead of selected cuts. Would have given some balance to the piece. Also maybe a comparison to 2008, Obama vs McCain.
Doesn’t really matter as Barack is going to have to run on his record, not his vision. The focus of ths campaign will be like Clinton’s 1st campaign – It’s the economy, stupid! Four years ago Barack was a candidate w/o a record of accomplishment, now he’s an incumbant with a record that can be judged against those things he promised back then. Funny how words can have a way of catching up to you.
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
“If I don’t get this economy turned around during my first term, I don’t deserve to be re-elected”.
Candidate Barak Hussien Obama, 2008.
That’s the first thing that this idiot has said that I agree with.
F. Sinkwich
April 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
One aspect of campaign finance rarely gets mentioned. That is the “free” advertising provided by the liberal MSM to the O’bozo re-election effort. It’s probably worth a $Billion alone.
too little time
April 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
This, from CNN three days ago:
President Barack Obama’s re-election team increased their war chest by roughly $20 million in March, bringing the incumbent Democrat’s cash on hand funds to just over $104 million, more than ten times the amount his likely Republican challenger Mitt Romney declared in federal filings Friday.
Waa, waa about Republican donors, Jay. In fact, any media outlet that focuses on the amount Republicans spend/raise can almost automatically be named “Liberal”. Even though Obama raises TEN TIMES as much, Jay whines about the size of Romney donations. What a hack.
Obama is the biggest political fundraiser/spender of ALL TIME. He raised almost 50% more than McCain in 2008, and he is due to do the same this election cycle. So all of the Democrat whining about Republican donations is just that… whining. And any media outlet that doesn’t point out the the HUGE disparity in Republican and Democrat war chests and spending is blatantly biased towards the Democrats.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
Sinkwich tru dat
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
“If I don’t get this economy turned around during my first term, I don’t deserve to be re-elected”.
I know you can lie better than that……. we’ve all seen it.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
April 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
F. Sinkwich
April 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
And that is why I watch MSM…and adore Rachel Maddow…man, If I was a lesbian….
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
It sure is nice that the economy is turned around.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
Don’t Forget,
That’s an interesting video. The AJC did a report a few years ago on a similar situation here with a man they believe to be an illegal from Central America. The man got into an accident and was in a coma. He recovered but is in a semi-vegetable state with brain damage. He looks like someone suffering from cerebral palsy. Anyway they can’t identify him and no one will come forward to claim him and none of the central american nations will claim him or help identify him. So at the time of the article he was being kept in Grady I think it was at a cost of 2 million a year.
I don’t know what to do in his case but in the case of say the Polish woman it would be nice if there was some sort of an international agreement for countries to take back citizens who burden other nations via health care. That or we bill Poland.
And of course if we could change the law so that they could take special situations like this and send them to skilled nursing facilities for care or assisted living homes at state expense it would be much cheaper. Of course if we did that then the liberals would use it as a talking point to say that the Republicans are kicking people out of hospitals.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
“It sure is nice that the economy is turned around.”
Its always funny when someone thinks 1.7% economic growth is an economy “turned around”.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
Obama just tried to buy off the student vote through gross pandering by promising to lower student loan interest rates and forgive the debt of the student loan freeloaders
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
Even Huntsmann is leaving the GOP…..
The Ghost of Edward R. Murrow
April 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
Ulm…excuse me Mr. Self-Appointed-Watchdog JayBama, but I failed to note 2 points of full-disclosure in your column…
1. The AJC is part of Cox, and Cox has contributed the following amounts to – or on behalf of – the following politicians: (list)
2. Cox is hoping to make the following amounts of money off of campaign advertising (amount) (of course, the source of Cox’s profits being the evil money that JayBama is informing of.
Did I miss those points in your column JayBama? If not, are you allowed by your bosses to research them for us?
Hmmm?
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
Hmmm. Last I saw Obama had 104 million in his campaign war chest and Romney had a mere 10 million. But the fact that American business is coming to the rescue against Obama’s assault on the American economy is great news for us all. Awesome is all I can say.
I guess this year Goldman Sachs won’t be O’s biggest campaign contributor. And maybe this year the insurance companies and a lot of other businesses won’t be pouring a lot more money into O’s campaign than the R’s campaign. Great news! Just freaking great!
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
“If I don’t get this economy turned around during my first term, I don’t deserve to be re-elected”.
I’ll second that. Finally. Something I wholeheartedly agree with O on.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
Taxpayer thinks 8% unemployment is recovery
Another sick in the head heartless democrat
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Its always funny when someone thinks 1.7% economic growth is an economy “turned around”.
Thulsa,
Perhaps you prefer the depths of the Great Depression but I do not and President Obama and the Democrats managed to pull us out of that mess in spite of the efforts by Republicans to keep us down.
willie lynch
April 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
A business that is $200,000 in the red would consider $10,000 in the black a turn around.
Watkins
April 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
On the contrary, Doom. Insurance companies will definitely want to keep the healthcare bill intact. That way, they sell 30 million more policies.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
Perhaps jm prefers 10 percent unemployment or higher. Would that make him happy. Probably so given that he would see that as more ammunition to use against the Democrats.
Don't Forget
April 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
if you’re worried about healthcare costs, solve this problem.
DF–I’m sure you’re trying to draw attention to the problem of the uninsured
Nope, the point was that anytime you can’t get the appropriate care for people, it will end up costing US more. Sometimes it’s the uninsured but sometimes it can be people who have coverage but the standard care given isn’t enough. New Jersey is doing a pilot study of sorts that is demonstrating an extremely high rate of resource utilization by a small number of people. Most of these folks are covered by some plan or program but the limitations of those plans, whatever they may be, aren’t getting them the care that is needed to keep them out of the hospital. These are people who get admitted multiple times every year at a huge cost to everyone. It suggests that it’s cheaper to almost write a blank check to do whatever it takes to keep people with multiple serious health problems than it is to limit outpatient benefits and continually pick up the pieces time after time when they crash.
Don’t be so paranoid.
: 
Jm
April 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
Doom
Yawp
Jm
April 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
Taxpayer
5% sounds good to me
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:38 pm
5% sounds good to me
Then you must really love Paul Ryan’s yellowbrick roadmap. All he needs to make it work is 2.8% unemployment rate.
Mad Max
April 24th, 2012
1:40 pm
Taxpayer – is that the same figure that Obama used in his projections of his budget?
Jm
April 24th, 2012
1:44 pm
Maybe taxpayer thinks continuing fallin house prices are a sign of recovery
Mighty Righty
April 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
Jay acts surprised that the anti business anti corporation anti wealth Obama administration is having trouble attracting donations from business, corporations and wealthy people. Come on Jay engaged the gray matter. Also, I’ll bet Obama has a lock on on Socialist, Communist, left wing whacko donations.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
By the way, have Republicans been able to work out that math that defines how many jobs they can create for each one billion dollars of tax cuts to the wealthiest along with an explanation of why only those tax cuts create jobs and not payroll tax cuts. Not that I do not appreciate the fact that my investment income is free of both fed and payroll taxes, mind you. And I do appreciate the fact that my tax-free investment income is due to the Bush/Republican tax cuts and that the children of the corn, er um, I mean, of the Republicans will have to pay for my tax cuts in the future… I mean, I do appreciate your children’s generosity and all. I’m just asking.
OBG !!
April 24th, 2012
1:51 pm
“The numbers are stark. As the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute reports, 44 percent of the money raised by the Obama campaign so far has come in contributions of $200 or less.”
This isn’t news to anyone… just Obama supporters sending money back to support him from checks he sent them. They are hoping for a good return on investment, but unfortunately, they will need to get a job after January 2013.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
TaxPayer
At least one of our fellow bloggers might post the job creation under Reagan…….
He has done this numerous times
When you counter with the job creation that has taken place at higher corporate and individual rates then were in place under Reagan… you will get a bunch of rhetoric or SILENCE
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
“against Obama’s assault on the American economy ”
Details or facts please?
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
My house price didn’t fall. And my property taxes didn’t fall.
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
“the anti business anti corporation anti wealth Obama administration”
Details or facts please?
OBG !!
April 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
“If the big-money investment pays off and the GOP ends up with control of both the White House and Congress, you will see a significant impact on the policies and priorities coming out of Washington. Tax law, environmental rules, labor relations, entitlements — we’re likely to see a repeat on the national level of what Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin attempted to do at the state level in 2011. It will make the Bush years seem tame by comparison.”
Let’s hope so !! Time to get this economy going and get this current loser out of the Whitehouse. I am not happy with Mitt, but ANYTHING is better than the liar we have now.
JB
April 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
Facts about taxes to solve our problems. I own a pretty good size business. Five years ago my Federal tax bill was 1,800.000 at a rate of 35%. Last year I paid about 400,000 due to this economy. All this President is concerned about is getting my rate back to 39.5%, from 35%. At the rate of business I’m doing, that’s roughly an increase of 16,000 more in taxes I would owe under the new rate. What dumb ass in the world wouldn’t figure out that if he would work on the economy ONLY and my business came back, my tax bill goes back to 1,800,000. That’s 1,200,000 to the treasury vs the damn 16,000 he’s worried about with a higher rate.
What part of this doesn’t he get.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
“This isn’t news to anyone… just Obama supporters sending money back to support him from checks he sent them. They are hoping for a good return on investment, but unfortunately, they will need to get a job after January 2013.”
Brains in your family must have missed a generation when you were born
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
When you counter with the job creation that has taken place at higher corporate and individual rates then were in place under Reagan… you will get a bunch of rhetoric or SILENCE
They use the same techniques in their arguments against global warming. I think it’s called cherry picking. A very deceptive and so typically Republican practice.
JB
April 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
That’s 1,400,000 more. Bad math.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
Watkins
April 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
“On the contrary, Doom. Insurance companies will definitely want to keep the healthcare bill intact. That way, they sell 30 million more policies.”
I agree which is why they gave much more money to O in the first election and which is why they had a hand in writing the new law. But since the law is likely to be overturned anyway I guess they, like most other businesses, are just sick of the general economic climate anyway and may support Romney instead this time around.
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
It suggests that it’s cheaper to almost write a blank check to do whatever it takes to keep people with multiple serious health problems than it is to limit outpatient benefits and continually pick up the pieces time after time when they crash.
My vote is for death panels.
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
“My house price didn’t fall. And my property taxes didn’t fall”
Neither did mine
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
2:01 pm
You got me there Jm… all of my houses experienced a loss of perceived value, good thing half of them are paid off and the other half still have 40-50% equity built up even after W’s economy and policies reduced their value… the good news is that my taxes did decrease…. marginally, Too bad the GOP who runs all of the state of GA has seen fit to raise my income taxes and my employment taxes in the meantime…
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
“When you counter with the job creation that has taken place at higher corporate and individual rates then were in place under Reagan… you will get a bunch of rhetoric or SILENCE”
they both suck,
What are you saying? Simply that some job creation is taking place despite higher marginal tax rates? Or that job creation is taking place at a higher rate under O than under Reagan which of course would be total BS.
rightwing troll
April 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
And how did you make out with your Georgia state taxes JB? Mine have increased for the last three years running.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
Dem’s just ought to chill. In 25-30 years when everyone over say 55-60 is dead and the MTV generation is voting and running everything, they will win every election…….and it’s lights out USA.
Anyone with Means ( big money for taxes) will not hang around for a 70% federal tax rate. There are some movies out about this. Go rent one.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
Perhaps JB would be so kind as to inform us of how specific Democrat and Republican proposals would impact his future taxes and earnings..
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
So in terms of job creation is Obama net positive yet??? I’ll let the libs answer that one. No need for a blame W explanation. A simple yes or NO would suffice. I’ll event hint at the answer for ya!
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
Jm,
TP’s comedy routine never gets old. It never do.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
TD
sayin neither one
It has been posted numerous times the job creation under Reagan and that person makes a huge deal out of the tax rate
When asked how did job creation take place at other times with much higher tax rates………. one gets rhetoric or silence
I said nothing about Obama………. you did
My whole point…… tax rates are one of many variables that come into play when looking at job creation on a macro level
And that can be shown by looking at rates overtime and job creation over a period of time……..
They have been times with “lower rates” where there was high job creation and low job creation…… same goes for “higher rates”
I said nothing more,,,,,,, nothing less
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
JB,
You clearly are not taking advantage of the Bush/Republican tax cuts. They’re geared toward investment income.
Matti
April 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
The guys in the snake shirts:
http://www.bartcop.com/corp-dupe-4.jpg
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
“is Obama net positive yet”
Ahhhhh, thats the new lingo…”net positive”. lol
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
Thulsa’s comedy routine, on the other hand, is
. What is it you do again. Sell supplemental medicare insurance.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETS
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
Creating a climate for customer Spending and consumer confidence would be Washington’s job, not mine. Read it again taxpayer. I said ” he could work on the economy”…. Not me. I have the goods and services…..That’s what I do.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
Debbi wasserman is a complete idiot
She basically thinks lying is smart
Shows the lack of any morality or lack of any anchor to values in the democrat party
Jay
April 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
Sheets ….
Matti
April 24th, 2012
2:15 pm
The real reason it’s illegal:
http://www.bartcop.com/hemp-threat.jpg
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
2:15 pm
Don’t Forget
April 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
This is kind of a drive by post on an unrelated subject but if you’re worried about healthcare costs, solve this problem.
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/24/11371569-health-care-laws-leave-hospitals-overwhelmed-by-permanent-patients?lite
_______
This is the kind of problem that medicaid should take care of. Or the state of Arizona if they don’t want to change their medicaid requirements.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:17 pm
It’s so bad, the Mexican’s have quit coming…………….Make a great Romney bumper sticker wouldn’t it?
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
2:17 pm
You’re the “job creator”, JB. And those Bush tax cuts have been in place since 2001 and 2003 just so you can create those jobs. Obama has not raised your taxes.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
2:18 pm
“Obama has not raised your taxes.”
You are not supposed to bring that up…….
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:18 pm
I’ve laid off 35% of my workers since Obama was sworn in……But I’m on here enough to learn to just blame Bush.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
I’ve laid off 35% of my workers since Obama was sworn in……But I’m on here enough to learn to just blame Bush.
So it’s Obama’s fault instead? Where’s your sense of personal responsibility? When your business was doing well, was that your doing or the federal government’s?
Or is the government only responsible when it does poorly?
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
2:23 pm
“I’ve laid off 35% of my workers since Obama was sworn in……But I’m on here enough to learn to just blame Bush.”
So I guess anyone or any company that is doing well financially should throw a party for Obama?
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
Jay, the feds have nothing to do with my business doing well except foster environment of consumer confidence with policy. During the Bush years, I went from 85 employee’s to 208. Under Obama, from 208 to 135. From paying 1.8 mil in federal taxes to 400K……………………What should I think?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
April 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
If Republicans gain more power in the next election, I just want to know how much more of a tax cut they’re gonna give me. Do you think maybe they’ll divert more payroll taxes toward tax cuts for the wealthiest or just borrow more money to give away to the wealthiest or both.
My bet would be on both.
Thank god they aren’t gonna win.
Thulsa Doom
April 24th, 2012
2:29 pm
“When asked how did job creation take place at other times with much higher tax rates………. one gets rhetoric or silence”
Job creation will generally take place and it is taking place now- just not at an acceptable rate.
What other times do you speak of? There was job creation under Clinton but that was during the age of the opening of the internet which was a profound economic event in our lives. Castro could have been president and our economy and hence job creation would have grown.
I also saw Robert Reich opine that in the 50s that we had significant job creation despite high marginal top tax rates. Well duh. We were the world’s lone standing economic power after Japan and all of Europe had been devastated from WW 2. We enjoyed a decade or even 2 of tremendous advantage while they were rebuilding. But even Kennedy had to lower top marginal rates because even he could see that it was bogging down economic growth.
“My whole point…… tax rates are one of many variables that come into play when looking at job creation on a macro level”
Marginal tax rates and capital gains tax rates are one of many variables- true. But they are 2 of the far more important variables.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
2:31 pm
JB
Was you business still doing well when Bush left office or was it already trending down?
Was your business in any way tied to construction, real estate, banking or relied directly or indirectly on those type industries for business?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
April 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
Jay, the feds have nothing to do with my business doing well except foster environment of consumer confidence with policy,
Way to move the goalposts.
I work for a company and we are adding employees all the time. We have doubled in size while Obama has been in office. I guess in spite of his not fostering consumer confidence.
Just cause your not doing well don’t blame it on everybody else. If you aren’t doing well its your fault. Not mine. Take some responsibility for yourself will ya.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
Higher tax rates with continued run away spending cures nothing.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:34 pm
Mr grit………………One size fits all in your house heh?
Woodstock Mike
April 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
I love how Democrats say business and the economy are doing well right now with a straight face!! LOL
GDP, employment, and housing (arguably the 3 most important parts of the economy) are all doing horrible. Are Democrats living on another planet or do they think Americans are so stupid they might believe that crap? I think it’s the later…
Jay
April 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
I believe we’ve discussed your business before, JB. Highly dependent on the housing industry, as I recall.
So you did well as the housing bubble got larger and larger, and not well at all once it burst. And somehow this is Obama’s fault and he ought to fix it for you.
So you
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:37 pm
Mr Grit……………….. I have adjusted our expenses with our current sales opportunities as to still make a profit to stay in business. unfortunately,85 people lost their jobs.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/marginal_tax_employment_charticle.html
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/does-28-top-marginal-tax-rate-mean-175706337.html
While the government isn’t going to tax us into prosperity, this notion that if you just keep lowering rates that jobs will just appear demand or no demand is as much BS as those that say tax, tax, tax
Got to run……. be back later
Woodstock Mike
April 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
“So you did well as the housing bubble got larger and larger, and not well at all once it burst. And somehow this is Obama’s fault and he ought to fix it for you.”
No Jay, it’s Bush’s fault…
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:39 pm
Jay, see post at 2:37
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
JB
I’m glad that you were able to stay in business, however if you were tied any way, shape, form or fashion to construction or real estate then chances are you were trending down before Bush left office and if not like many business no Pres was going to stop the hit that many took in those industries and others dependent on them
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
I’m opened minded. Will someone list 2 or 3 new laws, policy’s that Obama has put in place to create this robust economy recovery deserving of another four years. Maybe I’ve missed it.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
They both suck……………I’m tired of swimming for bottom….I would like to come back to surface for some air. What economy we have is in spite of Obama, not because of him.
OBG !!
April 24th, 2012
2:46 pm
JB, I have enjoyed watching you “school” these liberal idiots. I need to do a little work now….I’ll check back again.
P.S., thanks for taking the risk associated with owning a business. Most of the others on here are probably “Government”, “Union”, or on the take from others hard work. You won’t change their minds, Liberals always want to “Help” others with “your” money.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
2:46 pm
I hope JB has at least seen the light that those Republican/Bush policies and tax cuts were the only ones in effect both during his business’s rise and fall. If only Obama could have passed a tax hike so JB could truthfully point a finger at his policies for his business’s failings.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
If he’s reelected, I’ll probably liquidate and move to the mountains. No way to sell.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
Taxpayer…………….His on Damn party wouldn’t go along with it. He wanted it. He had ALL the marbles for two years………………..And All he got was the Bush tax cuts extended………Rich….LOL
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
April 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
I have adjusted our expenses with our current sales opportunities as to still make a profit to stay in business. unfortunately,85 people lost their jobs.
Thats your problem not mine. Run your business better and stop depending on the government to solve your problems. Take some responsibility.
TaxPayer
April 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
In fact, I recall Obama implementing the very policies that the Republicans asked for in order to address the negative impact on the economy. I believe Isakson had a lot of say in that policy. Didn’t those Republican ideas work out for folks in the housing biz.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
April 24th, 2012
2:56 pm
JB is your Typical Obama bashing Republican.
All he can do is blame the government for his problems.
Anybody but himself.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:56 pm
Mr Grit……………..I would love to read your 2 line resume. You don’t have a clue.Which agency sends your check to you.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:58 pm
I don’t blame the government for my problems…………but I sure do blame them for theirs.
JB
April 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
Gotta go………….No stimulus or bail outs coming here…………Just help provide them……Good day.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
April 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
Which agency sends your check to you.
None. I am a Network Engineer working for a firm that has doubled in size in the last 4 years.
We are doing quite well.
We dont need government handouts like you. We are doing just fine.
Dr. H.
April 24th, 2012
3:00 pm
And this is news , how????
yuzeyurbrane
April 24th, 2012
3:01 pm
Middle class America, put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you deserve what you get.
JB
April 24th, 2012
3:05 pm
Ok, one more shot…..It’s too easy………….Mr. grit, you must have the “food stamp” contract.
JKL2
April 24th, 2012
3:10 pm
-In stark contrast, The New York Times reported Saturday that the Obama campaign is struggling a bit to tap big-money contributors, “with sharp dropoffs in donations from nearly every major industry forcing it to rely more than ever on small contributions and a relative handful of major donors….”
People with big money not wanting to give it to the president who hates his country and the free market economy. Didn’t see that one coming..
I guess obama is finally starting to get judged by the content of his character rather than by the color of his skin.
OBG !!
April 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
JB… Good one, his little firm doubled in size from 6 to 12 !
I know it’s not all people on food stamps, but I get so sick of seeing some slob in front of me buy two carts of groceries (you can imagine the contents), then pay for cigs while talking on their Iphone, and loading it into their Cadillac Escalade with the Handicap sticker.
Anyone that doesn’t believe this, you pick the store and I’ll meet you there….won’t take long to spot them.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
April 24th, 2012
3:45 pm
Thanks for the laugh! The money whore and his friends keep rolling it in, yet you want to bash the republicans. You are beyond belief…..
Hmmmmmmm
April 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
@mmm,mmm
They are lost, and don’t want to be found….
Dawg '88
April 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
Uhh…Obama doesn’t receive SuperPac money and millions of dollars from other lobbyists? Yeah right.
The only reason that there are 8 donors to the GOP is because there were several candidates at first. Obama ran against who? Liberal logic is amazing. To say the Abortion President isn’t in bed with lobbyists is just being untruthful and delusional.
Lobbyists get favors in this adminstration far more than previous ones. How? Because they have been given positions in the administration which were created to just get them in the WH.
The Pro Death faction of the US is being represented overwhelmingly in this administration. There is not one….not a single one….pro life person in the WH. Why….they don’t give him money.
Abortion President Obama has been deceitful, disingenious, non-tranparent, and a plain liar! Period! Now slam away….with illogical, irrational and immoral rants and beliefs that now prevade the WH and liberals in general.
Obama and liberals want to keep religion silent….yet they subscribe to the growing religion of secularism. Faith in nothing leads to nothing after this life. Better get that one right soon. Supporting immoral causes is just nailing the door shut that Christ opened on Easter morning.
Tundra Dude
April 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
Jm wrote:
Scott Walker is a good governor
for the top few %.
Wisconsin is the only state that had “statistically significant” job losses over the most recent 12-month period, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
http://www.jsonline.com/business/state-posts-largest-percentage-job-loss-in-us-over-past-year-report-shows-ib54utt-148694855.html
Joseph
April 24th, 2012
4:22 pm
Obama has received donations from numerous companies that received stimulous money. Why don’t you talk about that Jay? Campaigns being fueled by our tax money….
Get Real
April 24th, 2012
4:32 pm
He can’t Joesph as he is busy preparing for his next interview on MSNBC
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
April 24th, 2012
4:50 pm
Where’s the unions when you need ‘em? Don’t worry, Jay, as long as you have Soros and Corzine, you Democrats will be alright.
Obama supportors are brain dead
April 24th, 2012
5:02 pm
2008 Obama top contributiors :
University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
Obama supportors are brain dead
April 24th, 2012
5:03 pm
He is such a standup guy -> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/19/barack-obama-2008-campaign-contributions_n_1438250.html
Obama supportors are brain dead
April 24th, 2012
5:04 pm
Top contributors for Mccain in 2008:
Merrill Lynch $375,895
JPMorgan Chase & Co $343,505
Citigroup Inc $338,202
Morgan Stanley $271,902
Goldman Sachs $240,295
US Government $202,929
AT&T Inc $201,938
Wachovia Corp $199,663
UBS AG $187,493
Credit Suisse Group $184,153
PricewaterhouseCoopers $169,400
US Army $169,020
Bank of America $167,826
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $160,346
Blank Rome LLP $155,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP $147,437
US Dept of Defense $146,356
FedEx Corp $131,974
Lehman Brothers $126,557
Ernst & Young $114,506
Obama supportors are brain dead
April 24th, 2012
5:05 pm
Hey Jay,
See above. Hmm. Who bought the 2008 election?
Obama supportors are brain dead
April 24th, 2012
5:10 pm
2012 top contributors;
Predident Obama:
Microsoft Corp $304,690
DLA Piper $302,527
University of California $243,486
Sidley Austin LLP $234,611
Google Inc $191,719
Mitt Romney:
Goldman Sachs $564,580
JPMorgan Chase & Co $400,675
Bank of America $364,850
Morgan Stanley $363,550
Credit Suisse Group $316,160
Notable that Goldman Sachs fipped, but not a surprise. Seems to me that evil wall street wants your boy our of office.
Sheez Louise
April 24th, 2012
5:22 pm
Oh don’t worry…. as SOON as Obama kicks his campaign into high gear my wallet will open with multiple small dollar donations. I will probably donate upwards of $300 when all is said and done.
Sheez Louise
April 24th, 2012
5:35 pm
Talk about doing well. My organization has also been growing like crazy this past year. And the bonuses, the EMPLOYEE BONUSES, oh my god!! GOBAMA 2012!!!!!! Some of you clowns need to get a grip.
Oh sorry, did I let it slip that I am employed in the private sector?? Wouldn’t want to let the frothy-mouthed believe I do anything other than receive food stamps to finance my Escalade or work in a “govmint” office doing nothing all day.
Just saying..
April 24th, 2012
5:48 pm
real john
April 24th, 2012
9:31:
Did you just instruct Jay on how to use the internet and tap sources?
He should try Google? Really?
Boris Badnoff
April 24th, 2012
5:55 pm
Sheez. How the weather in Columbia?
givememyfairshare
April 24th, 2012
6:22 pm
“And those are only the contributions that have become public record. ” – So what you’re saying is the dems could have 10X the money, just not on public record?…
Jay
April 24th, 2012
6:50 pm
Sinkwich, the whole Keystone pipeline thing is itself just a shiny distraction.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
6:53 pm
Does that shoe fit a little too comfortably, Tread?
Joseph
April 24th, 2012
9:14 pm
Funny how Jay tries to nip stories before they even come out…. Lucky for Repubs he has few readers….
http://freebeacon.com/obamas-swiss-banker/