What Chris Hitchens and Jonah Goldberg both got wrong
Christopher Hitchens
In his atheistic diatribe “God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything,” the late Christopher Hitchens revisited the various evils and excesses committed in the name of religion over the centuries. And they are many.
Yet what about the brutal excesses of secular, atheistic regimes, such as Stalin’s USSR, Hitler’s Third Reich, Mao’s China and Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge? Doesn’t their existence challenge the claim that it is somehow religion that is at fault, rather than something still deeper in the human psyche?
In response, Hitchens offered what I consider to be an intellectually lazy answer, an answer designed to try to win a debate rather than get at the truth:
The regimes of Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot were also religious in nature, Hitchens argued, because they substituted the worship of an individual or ideology for the worship of a god. Therefore, all evil that those regimes did must be totted up on religion’s side of the ledger, leaving the secular world unstained.
With that contention — voila! — Hitchen’s problem was solved, or so he claimed.
In a 2007 tour to promote “God Is Not Great”, Hitchens traveled the country debating religious experts about its theme. Here in Atlanta, he crossed rhetorical swords with Tim Jackson, a professor of Christian ethics at Emory’s Candler School of Theology. And Jackson, to his credit, refused to condone Hitchen’s cheap debating tactic:
Timothy Jackson
“If we can embrace such doublespeak that North Korea is a religious institution, a religious regime, and understand Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot as fundamentally religious, then religion has become an ugly meaningless term,” Jackson pointed out.
“We’re all sinful and we can all contribute to horrific injustice, whether we’re believers or not,” the professor reminded the crowd. “….the worm at the heart of human nature is deeper than that.”
(An audio of the Hitchens/Jackson debate is available here.).
In that regard at least, Hitchens shared a lot with his one-time neighbor in New York, conservative writer Jonah Goldberg. In his 2008 book “Liberal Fascism,” Goldberg echoed Hitchens by alleging that all totalitarianism, including fascism, is by nature liberal in its origins.
Clearly, communist regimes in the USSR and China were brutal and tyrannical. But what of, say, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, which are historically treated as examples of right-wing dictatorships? Do they not demonstrate that totalitarianism is a temptation to which both the right and left might succumb?
To Goldberg, the answer is no. He argues that Nazi Germany was actually a left-wing manifestation that drew its poison from the wells of liberalism and socialism. In fact, in his view of the world the phrase “right-wing dictatorship” is an impossible contradiction and a null set. Conservatives by definition could never be tempted to seek absolute power; thus, those who seek absolute power could never be conservative.
In a new posting at National Review, where he works as a columnist, Goldberg claims to have found further evidence of his thesis in a two-part series on Nazi Germany that was originally published in 1932 in The Atlantic and has now been republished on the Internet.
(The articles by Nicolas Fairweather are astonishing in their own right, demonstrating just how predictable the coming nightmare really was. Everything — the attempted genocide of the Jews, the invasion first of France and then of the Soviet Union — was all well-known and understood by those who cared to do so long before Hitler even gained power.)
Jonah Goldberg
However, when you read the articles cited, you realize once again how thin and downright silly Goldberg’s argument really is. For example, the 1932 Atlantic article lists “the principal articles of Hitler’s political faith,” which included:
“(Hitler’s) violent animosity to Marxian Socialism as in essence opposed to his ideal of a nationally minded people and a racial state. He condemns the Socialism of Marx as a poisonous teaching which by its humanitarianism, its internationalism, and its pacifism — all legacies of the unnatural and unwholesome democracy of the French Revolution — operates to undermine the clean ideal of Aryan (that is, German) overlordship.”
Hitler saw “Marxian Socialism” as a Jewish invention, “the principal tool by which they insinuate themselves into healthy, pure blooded, racial states.” He despised labor unions and expressed contempt for the common man. As the Atlantic piece reported:
“Class warfare, it appeared (to Hitler), was necessarily a destroyer of nationalism. In reacting against the internationalism and class-consciousness of the orthodox Socialists (’Marxists’ is the term Hitler always uses), he has made himself the outstanding opponent of all Communistic tendencies.”
Remember, this is all in an article cited as evidence in favor of Goldberg’s thesis.
In one sense, I am admittedly rehashing old ground — both the Goldberg book and the Hitchens book were published years ago. However, as the 1932 Atlantic pieces demonstrate, bad ideas and bad history can have profound consequences if left unchallenged.
It is dangerous for any group of people to wrap themselves in a belief that they are immune to the temptations of power, because once you make that mistake, those temptations become all the harder to resist. As George Orwell documented so well, for example, a similar arrogance on the left during the ’20s, ’30s and ’40s led many liberals to dismiss evidence of just how brutal the Soviet Union had become.
There will always be those who are eager to take as much power as possible; likewise, there will always be those who are willing to surrender that power to others. Political philosophy and religious faith make no one exempt to either temptation.
Because, as the good professor noted:
“The worm at the heart of human nature is deeper than that.”
– Jay Bookman
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Jm
April 23rd, 2012
11:35 pm
Building a city at the end of a set f railroad tracks means Atlanta is severely under endowed w ith respect to natural wonders and recreational opportunities…..
Oscar
April 23rd, 2012
11:36 pm
Savannah is a good town. Been there a lot over the years.
Oscar
April 23rd, 2012
11:37 pm
Stone Mountain? Used to climb it every fouth of July. Hot and good exercise.
Jm
April 23rd, 2012
11:39 pm
Sherman got only one thing “right”…..
Jm
April 23rd, 2012
11:40 pm
Stone mountain is fun.
Too bad Marta trains don’t go there…..
Bruno
April 23rd, 2012
11:42 pm
Moonchild/The Dream/The Illusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IJs8KvlYU8&feature=relmfu
Oscar
April 23rd, 2012
11:45 pm
Jm
April 23rd, 2012
11:39 pm
______
Ok, I’ll bite. What did Sherman get right. Oh, he didn’t burn Savannah. Presented it to Lincoln as a Christmas present.
Jm
April 23rd, 2012
11:47 pm
Oscar 11:45
bingo…..
Bruno
April 23rd, 2012
11:50 pm
A small point of History that many seem to overlook is that Atlanta had only about 10,000 residents at the time of Sherman’s March. Not minimizing the carnage, but it wasn’t on the scale that we might imagine if it happened in modern times.
Bruno
April 23rd, 2012
11:53 pm
“Confusion will be my Epitaph”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJy2GT_fBQ&feature=relmfu
Paul
April 23rd, 2012
11:55 pm
Hitchens in later life did not associate with the right or left but his continuum throughout was anti totalitarianism.
Hitler incidentally was a Roman Catholic. Refer to Mein Kampf as god’s will and the German army belt buckles for evidence. The Pope or the Catholic Church never denounced the extermination of the so-called Jewish Jesus killers at the time.
Jm
April 23rd, 2012
11:56 pm
Bruno, you don’t say….
I felt sure he took out the Cobb galleria, north point mall, and spaghetti junction in their earlier incarnations
Oscar
April 23rd, 2012
11:57 pm
It was kind of a big deal to the 10,000 that lived there at the time.
Oscar
April 23rd, 2012
11:59 pm
Paul
April 23rd, 2012
11:55 pm
++++++
Maybe a crazy Roman Catholic. Don’t suppose he went to Mass and confessional very often.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
12:01 am
From a military standpoint Sherman did what he had to to win
But it was brutal and…. Uncivilized. War always is tho. Civil war my butt….
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
12:02 am
Paul
April 23rd, 2012
11:55 pm
______
I think you are right in that he had some sort of belief in god.
Oscar
April 24th, 2012
12:02 am
Sherman said war is hell. He was right about that.
Smeat
April 24th, 2012
12:05 am
The United States of America detonated at least 216 nuclear weapons in the atmosphere from the 40’s to the early 60’s.
The Russians are said to have performed a few more than the USA.
France blew up 40 of them.
Britain exploded more than 30.
All of these explosions occurred above ground and in our atmosphere.
We’re still here… Maybe the earth is more resilient than the Moonbat Climate Paranoid Granola Eaters have to offer….
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/index.html
Paul
April 24th, 2012
12:05 am
Going to Mass and confessional didn’t change the Spanish Inquisitors either!
Jm
April 24th, 2012
12:07 am
Oscar 12:02 yes he did and he was right
It’s midnight, I’m out
Tom Middleton
April 24th, 2012
12:11 am
Jay, if I remember correctly from political science, Hitler’s totalitarian state and Stalin’s turned out to be basically one and the same, even though each came from an opposing side of the political coin.
It’s an argument that resolutely can’t be won when viewed from one side or the other, but in Hitchen’s case, it must have been fun to try while getting drunk!
Tom Middleton
April 24th, 2012
12:13 am
Sorry, make that “HItchens’.”
Bruno
April 24th, 2012
12:20 am
It sure would be nice if someone could take out that POS in North Korea.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/north-korea-issues-unusually-specific-threat-152720861.html
One of these days I’ll figure out why we put up with this clown.
getalife
April 24th, 2012
12:26 am
There is a new leader in nk and they are warmongering.
I hope he does not do anything stupid.
Smeat
April 24th, 2012
12:34 am
Bruno,
Japan has the bomb but nobody will admit this fact. China and Japan have a long history of ugly warfare.
North Korea knows about the Japanese Bomb also.
The drunken man-child in Pyongyang is an untouchable lunatic capable of decisions that we in the modern world can not understand.
Our 50,000 troops in South Korea on the DMZ are bullet magnets if those wingnuts from the North decide to send 1,000,000 brainwashed aholes with AK-47s across the lines…
Why can’t our Stuxnet virus eff them up like in Iran ??.
zengardener
April 24th, 2012
3:39 am
Nobody ever ruled in the name of atheism. No country or tribe ever lived by the concept that there is no god.
Such an idea is nonsense.
There have been secular governments that were Tyrannical, and even hostile to religions, but do not be confused. Those murderous dictators had an agenda that was not truly in the interests of the populace. That is why they were terrible, not because they lacked or exhibited an excessive amount of religiosity.
They were terrible because they sacrificed humanity, something the theocracies are not immune to. And that is being generous.
Dave
April 24th, 2012
4:32 am
Once again you perpetuate the old myth that the Third Reich was secular and atheistic. It wasn’t. It was undeniably Christian in nature. Hitler was a Catholic and never excommunicated. Christmas was celebrated. Army belt buckles had “God is with us” stamped on them.
Do these read like the words of an atheist?
“We don’t ask the Almighty, ‘Lord, make us free!” We want to be active, to work, to work together, so that when the hour comes that we appear before the Lord we can say to him: ‘Lord, you see that we have changed.’ The German people is no longer a people of dishonor and shame, of self-destructiveness and cowardice. No, Lord, the German people is once more strong in spirit, strong in determination, strong in the willingness to bear every sacrifice. Lord, now bless our battle and our freedom, and therefore our German people and fatherland. “
Sighko Sis
April 24th, 2012
6:19 am
It seems that if Hitchens is intellectually lazy to consider the regimes of Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, etc., to be de facto religious in nature, then it is equally intellectually lazy to ignore the obvious conclusion that religion is no predictor of good or evil. Certainly a person’s claim of adherence to a particular religion, or the denial of any religion, tells me nothing about that person.
Jay
April 24th, 2012
6:54 am
“… it is equally intellectually lazy to ignore the obvious conclusion that religion is no predictor of good or evil. Certainly a person’s claim of adherence to a particular religion, or the denial of any religion, tells me nothing about that person.”
Agreed.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:05 am
Are there bad Buddhists? Those guys seem pretty chill to me….
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:08 am
I’m sure there are bad Buddhists out there
I’m talking on a crusades – nazi scale…..
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:16 am
Everyone should read this, given we all eat food and Dow is about to make a big move
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/us-usa-food-24-d-idUSBRE83N04I20120424
stevie ray...Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
April 24th, 2012
7:20 am
Jay,
I read where German soldiers were issued 2 books to carry…the bible and “Thus Spoke Zaranthustra” by my pal Nietzche….Religious was selectively used by German leaders…I am of the opinion I share with Bertrand Russell that religion brought us two valuable things..a calendar and accurate moon charts other than that, I see negative value in 1000’s of years or retarding social and interpersonal evolution. Their position on sex is deplorable and the concept of heaven and hell are equally harmful…I liked Hitchens and others who, rightly or wrongly had courage to publish opinions here to for suppressed by those with invisible pals..
Jm
April 24th, 2012
7:27 am
Stevie ray
Narrow minded. And a rather incoherent post. Sprinkled with some conspiracy theory….
Mick
April 24th, 2012
7:31 am
Where does religion go from here? Christianity waning as islam keeps adding? Will there be a catholic church 100 years from now? Not unless they let priests marry, still the dinosaur seems to be lumbering toward extinction. It doesn’t really concern me as much as it used to. Before columbus and the european invasion, the america’s were doing just fine without the knowledge of christianity or any religion for that matter. They were pure, had their only beliefs and rituals. They were not perfect, humanity wasn’t designed for perfection, just the pursuit of it…
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
7:35 am
I’m sure there are bad Buddhists out there
I’m talking on a crusades – nazi scale…
not unless you manage to make a Goldbergian leap and try to link Pol Pot to Buddhism, methinks.
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
7:52 am
What kind of weird belief system elevates Jonah G. to prophet status, anyway?
What are their adherents called… Pantloadians?
stevie ray...Clowns to the Left and Jokers to the Right..here I am...
April 24th, 2012
7:56 am
JM if you have questions or want to otherwise expound on your response please do so…Bertrand Russell’s “Why I am not a Christian” may be a good place to start if you question my statements…Your opinion of me is none of my business but as a student of philosophy for 30 years or so, I’d submit I’m anything but narrow minded.
Mick
April 24th, 2012
7:57 am
Another day in paradise going on….58 degrees, sunny in miami…one could only wish that was the morning temp everyday…warms up to the low 70’s by noon, this is winters last gasp…
carlosgvv
April 24th, 2012
8:08 am
Smeat – 12:05
Those large numbers of above ground nuclear explosions have resulted in all of us now having far above normal amounts of Strontium-90 in our bones. The long-term health effects of this are unclear.
So much scientific knowledge is now available.
So few here know anything about science.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
8:14 am
Bruno…….. Good morning.
This from yesterday
“Think about it objectively for a minute.”
I have thought about it was before this discussion and based on this blog alone, I can’t see where you “objectively” conclude it is just a Dem or liberal thing in regards to racism. We wont even go into statements and actions made by conservative individuals
As you have noticed I have not attempted to say it doesn’t occur on the left, however it occurs on all sides and working to get you to “think about it objectively for a minute.”
Jm
April 24th, 2012
8:15 am
Stevie ray
If your thoughts were clearly articulated I might consider it
Jm
April 24th, 2012
8:16 am
Mick
It is ridiculously nice in S FL
Mick
April 24th, 2012
8:22 am
jm
Yes, this is the kind of day that you would want to skip out on work and do something with it outside – the beach, the keys, the everglades. Alas, I won’t be able to break away today but when I get off, there will still be some time to revel in it…
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:23 am
The King and the Priest
have been required to
get people to accept
government. The Priest
has been partially
replaced by popularly
elected boards.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
8:24 am
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/poor-economy-worsens-social-securitys-175251926.html
And all the Democrats do is spout crap like the GOP wants to throw Granny off the cliff. Kind of sad, actually.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 24th, 2012
8:26 am
Peadawg
Yep, it’s sad that they do want to do that.
You’re coming around kiddo
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:26 am
Communism has been
replaced as the bogeyman
by the “debt”.
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
8:29 am
what about the brutal excesses of secular, atheistic regimes, such as…Hitler’s Third Reich
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
I had so often sung ‘Deutschland über Alles’ and shouted ‘Heil’ at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord’s grace smiled on His ungrateful children.
- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2
There are man. many. many more. The man had little clue as to what he was talking about.
The Fuhrer was another religious nut who committed his crimes with what he thought were the blessings of his god.
Sounds very familiar, huh?
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
8:30 am
So, you choose to do nothing, Granny, to help people under 65 or 55? You got your benefits, screw your kids, right? THAT is what’s sad.
Jm
April 24th, 2012
8:31 am
Frog
Yep debt is the red menace
Only it’s not a bogeyman, it’s real
JamVet
April 24th, 2012
8:31 am
There are man. many. many more. The man had little clue as to what he was talking about.
Redact to read, There are many, many, many more. The man had little clue as to what he was talking about.
The man being Hitchens…
“We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession….”
- Article 20 of the program of the German Workers’ Party (later named the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, NSDAP)
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.
- Adolf Hitler (following the position of Martin Luther), Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. …Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. …
- Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922
Jm
April 24th, 2012
8:33 am
Mick
I’m sitting over the intracoastal. At the moment.
Drawbridge…
Might have to be a long lunch day
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
8:34 am
And all the Democrats do is spout crap like the GOP wants to throw Granny off the cliff.
Please read and learn before, um, spouting.
http://strengthensocialsecurity.org/
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 24th, 2012
8:36 am
Peadawg
Don’t be silly. Your spin is simply ridiculous.
There are several very viable and fair options to resolving the issue.
Starting with raising the cap.
Do you know what that means?
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:38 am
Democrats want SS and
Medicare in the general
fund with SSI and Medicaid.
Republicans want all
privatized.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 24th, 2012
8:39 am
stands
he’s young and does that often, but we have seem him come around….
our young padawan can learn.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
8:42 am
“Starting with raising the cap.” – I’m fine with that. But all I hear on this issue in Obama’s speeches is the GOP is trying to throw Granny off the cliff (i.e. more rhetoric, which doesn’t do sh*t to solve the problem).
carlosgvv
April 24th, 2012
8:44 am
Christianity was just one of the tools Hitler used to attain power. For Stalin, Communism was the tool available to him to get and keep absolute power.
If the vast majority of Americans suddenly decided they wanted a Socialist Govt., you would be amazed to see large numbers of today’s politicians have an “eureka ” moment and publicly declare they’ve actually been good Socialists all along and we should re-elect them.
It’s all about power, how to get it and how to keep it and how to keep the people fooled into thinking you actually believe in whatever is the most useful current political belief.
Governor Rick Scott Vetoes Funds For Rape Crisis Centers During Sexual Assault Awareness Month
April 24th, 2012
8:44 am
Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) shocked the Florida Council Against Sexual Violence this week when he vetoed $1.5 million in funding for 30 rape crisis centers in the middle of Sexual Assault Awareness Month. State lawmakers allotted the money to offset an increase in need and a lack of sufficient funding for victim services.
A spokesperson for Scott said he vetoed that particular line item in the state budget because the state already funds sexual violence programs, and nobody was able to make it clear to him why rape crisis centers needed the new funding.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/rick-scott-florida-govern_n_1447294.html
Gale
April 24th, 2012
8:46 am
One reason we are borrowing so much is the cost of borrowing. If our cost of borrowing was as high as Spain or Greece, I am sure we would have a different perspective. While the debt is far too high, the cost of doing nothing is also high.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
8:47 am
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/american-doctors-for-truth-releases-new-ad-obama-throws-granny-off-the-cliff-video/
Yep… only from the left
Peadawg wake F up
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:47 am
Jm
the debt threat is no
more real than the red
menace was. Paulson
sacking Lehman for
backing the euro and
thus helping his buddies
at goldman was not the
world crisis proclaimed.
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
8:47 am
all I hear on this issue in Obama’s speeches is the GOP is trying to throw Granny off the cliff
are you sure you’re not fixated on one web ad produced by The Agenda Project last year?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Agenda_Project:_America_the_Beautiful
Which wasn’t about SS, but rather Ryan’s replace-Medicare-with-a-coupon-book plan?
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
8:47 am
“Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) shocked the Florida Council Against Sexual Violence this week when he vetoed $1.5 million in funding for 30 rape crisis centers ”
nope … no war on wimmen here … move along … nothing to see …
stands for decibels
April 24th, 2012
8:49 am
Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) shocked the Florida Council Against Sexual Violence this week
I’m sorry, but what could that brain damaged prick possibly do at this point that would be “shocking”?
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
8:50 am
Pea
It is a two way street
Take your Republican colored blinders off
Games are played in both parties… neither is innocent
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamacare-or-the-gop-which-would-throw-granny-off-a-cliff/2012/04/10/gIQAT6xS9S_blog.html
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
8:50 am
dB – 8:49 – we’re well past the “dead girl / live boy” scenario
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
8:52 am
“Yep… only from the left” – HaHa nice. I haven’t seen that.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
8:53 am
“Take your Republican colored blinders off” – They were taken off a looong time ago, son.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:53 am
Are there crisis centers
for any battery other
than rape?
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
8:55 am
“They were taken off a looong time ago, son.”
With the mostly one sided posts you have it is hard to tell…………..
Love that name calling don’t you……… Just like a kid
1st sign of concession
Doggone/GA
April 24th, 2012
8:56 am
“Are there crisis centers for any battery other than rape?”
AKA: I’m too lazy to look it up for myself and I expect others to do it for me
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:57 am
A lot of Granny flinging
going on.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
8:57 am
“With the mostly one sided posts you have it is hard to tell…………..” – You must be new or something. Or you don’t read all my posts.
“Love that name calling don’t you” – What namecalling?
Paul
April 24th, 2012
8:58 am
Morning, USinUK
It’s gonna be another one of those days here…. Hope Jay comes up with a darn good topic….
Morning Joe – interesting discussion regarding Jeb Bush amongst the panel was all about “he’s not his brother – in intellect, interest, personality, policy… but still, with that name…”
BTW – that rape funding and Gov Scott? Headline said he vetoed the 1.5 mil for rape funding centers. Rather gives the impression it was to keep’em going. Further down it said “additional” funding.
Don’t know which it is, but it’s a huge difference.
Saw Warhorse last Friday. Fine movie. What I liked, just strip away the telephone poles and repave the streets and you’ve got an English village today looking like 1912.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
8:59 am
Peadawg
Am I your son? The name would be fitting but did I call you a boy?
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
8:59 am
doggone
how did you find it?
all i found was rape.
kayaker 71
April 24th, 2012
8:59 am
Speaking of Grannies,,,,,, that one who shot those thugs trying to rob her in todays AJC….. several bullet holed in her truck, windows shot out but she shot one in the chest and the other one got away. Once in awhile, the good guys win.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:00 am
““They were taken off a looong time ago, son.””
“son”???
didn’t you acknowledge that you’re ownly in your early 20s or something like that???
calling someone “son” is a bit rich
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:00 am
only, that is …
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 24th, 2012
9:01 am
The Internet Bubble……”don’t worry about it, everything is fine”
The Housing Bubble…..”don’t worry about it, everything is fine”
The Debt Bubble……”don’t worry about it, everything is fine”
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:02 am
USinUK
Especially since I am slightly older than in my 20s
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:03 am
Steve @ 9:01
You have a good point there
massachusetts refugee thug
April 24th, 2012
9:03 am
Paul – what differnence does it make what topic JB comes up with – they all devolve into “you’re a poopy head” “no, you’re a poopy head” nonsense.
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:03 am
Hi Paul!! (and my regards to Mrs. Paul)
you’re one up on me – I still haven’t seen Warhorse … now, I guess it’ll probably be cable … I’d still like to see the play, though – anything done with lifesize puppetry is cool, methinks
Am reading an amazing book, though – Birdsong … it’s description of the Battle of the Somme is heartbreaking.
Gale
April 24th, 2012
9:03 am
Aw, don’t pick on Peadawg. The “son” was common usage.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:04 am
When will the gas price
bubble burst?
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:04 am
They Both … now, we’re entering in to the “I’m my own grandpa” territory …
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:04 am
“Am I your son? The name would be fitting but did I call you a boy?”
Oh, “son” is what has you all in a hissy? That’s the namecalling you’re talking about? Hold on a sec while I get out my violin and play you a sad song. I don’t get my news from thegatewaypundit or the washingtonpost. I go to AJC, Yahoo, and CNN for that.
So, next time you want to call someone out for having on blinders and tell someone to wake the F up, you better be damn sure you know what you’re talking about.
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:04 am
son
USinUK
April 24th, 2012
9:05 am
“The Internet Bubble……”don’t worry about it, everything is fine”
The Housing Bubble…..”don’t worry about it, everything is fine””
whic is why ALAN GREENSPAN SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!! he’s evil, I tells ya!!
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:06 am
“When will the gas price
bubble burst?”
Gas is down 9 cents by my house since last week. Does Obama get credit for whatever it was he did last week w/ regards to speculators (can’t remember exactly what it was)?
Why do Republicans oppose reauthorizing “The Violence Against Women Act”
April 24th, 2012
9:07 am
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rahimkanani/2012/04/20/why-do-republicans-oppose-reauthorizing-the-violence-against-women-act/
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:07 am
Peadawg
Wake the F up
You posted some bs about Obama and either didn’t know or purposely forgot to mention that the same thing YOU cried about is being portrayed on the other side as well
Don’t be upset at others for your ignorance or the fact that it took all of 10 seconds to show you were being what? one sided on that issue
But keep crying if you like
Jay
April 24th, 2012
9:08 am
Sheets
Peadawg
April 24th, 2012
9:10 am
“either didn’t know”
Like I said, I get my news from AJC, Yahoo, and CNN. I haven’t seen the GOP video. You could have eeeeeasily posted that stuff from the website you use w/out the ‘Wake the F up’ remark.
barking frog
April 24th, 2012
9:10 am
Peadawg
No credit since there’s
nothing the President
can do about gas prices.
By Obamas ads Romney
would be one affecting
gas prices.
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:12 am
“w/out the ‘Wake the F up’ remark.”
Than do more homework and research before spouting of on thing you do not know……….
Make it less difficult on for you
They BOTH suck
April 24th, 2012
9:12 am
Make it less difficult for you