America 2012: ‘In Nothing We Trust’?

Ron Fournier and Sophie Quinton, writing in National Journal, have produced a thoughtful piece about the current state of affairs in the American culture, using Muncie, Indiana as their prime illustration:

Here’s what journalists call the “nut graf” of the piece:

“Muncie is a microcosm of a nation whose motto could be, “In Nothing We Trust.” Seven in 10 Americans believe that the country is on the wrong track; eight in 10 are dissatisfied with the way the nation is being governed. Only 23 percent have confidence in banks, and just 19 percent have confidence in big business. Less than half the population expresses “a great deal” of confidence in the public-school system or organized religion. “We have lost our gods,” says Laura Hansen, an assistant professor of sociology at Western New England University in Springfield, Mass. “We lost [faith] in the media: Remember Walter Cronkite? We lost it in our culture: You can’t point to a movie star who might inspire us, because we know too much about them. We lost it in politics, because we know too much about politicians’ lives. We’ve lost it—that basic sense of trust and confidence—in everything.”

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Peadawg

April 20th, 2012
8:21 am

First on Friday!!!

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
8:22 am

This loss of trust started when we realized our Govt. was lying to us about the Vietnam War. It went downhill from there when we saw how Big Business had bought our politicians and The Military-Industrial Complex was in charge of getting us into completely useless wars solely for profit. Bought and paid for lying politicians running the country will eventually ruin that country. How is it we never seem to learn anything from history?

Mick

April 20th, 2012
8:23 am

Absolutely! The trending is negatory, however, if you study our nation’s history there have been much worse periods. Can we get it back? That’s the hard question and I’m afraid that the plain truth is maybe but not definite…

Mr. Snarky

April 20th, 2012
8:26 am

Cynicism just feeds on itself…transparency in government is the only hope, but that means people have to pay attention.

barking frog

April 20th, 2012
8:27 am

Nothing new. It’s why the
country was founded.
Some were deluded for
a few years but now back
to normal.

stevie ray...clowns to the left, jokers to the right..here I am...

April 20th, 2012
8:29 am

JAY,

Seems like a bunch of pity parties IMO. For those who like to allow this negative crap affect them, turn off the 24 hours news crap and take what action within their control and stop whining. Things are never as good or bad as they appear. The prime problem is the need by so many outlets to fill 24/7 media coverage within which only gloom, doom and despair sell….

stevie ray...clowns to the left, jokers to the right..here I am...

April 20th, 2012
8:33 am

Mr Snarky,

Agreed on government transparency but it is possible…it will require removal of incentives to enhance wealth as elected official(s). We need to eliminate public money from elections using only public funds…how can we have any remote trust when the guy with the most cash always wins…(94% of the time any way). BO said that the days of lobbyist running the DC agenda is over but he has become one of the biggest abusers. In short, we need a couple amendments to our antiquated constitution…

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 20th, 2012
8:35 am

I’ll bet if they polled the good folks in Charleston, SC in 1858, they’d have found a similar sentiment.

And we didn’t need 24/7 news back then to make the conflict more visible.

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 20th, 2012
8:37 am

We need a good external enemy to focus our minds. When we don’t have one, we turn inward and on each other. This is the “peace dividend”… complacency, internal conflict, rudderless.

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
8:40 am

We consider the Washington Post to be one of those institutions, yes?

Just an excuse to post this and claim it’s on-topic but, whatever.

I am glad to learn that some guy with a PhD in economics bothers to actually read the WaPo and calls them out when they pull stuff out of their butt and assert it as a fact.

(Anyway, I’ll try to read the piece Jay’s linked, now, and not just the nut graf.)

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
8:40 am

It’s too bad dems won’t read this article and take something from it. They should take from it that they should be honest with the American people and admit that they have done an atrocious job governing on a national level the last 3 years. Admit that Obama is an absolute failure as a leader but excels at being a divider.

Butch Cassidy

April 20th, 2012
8:41 am

Nothing new here, I’ve never relied on the government or cared who was POTUS in making decisions in my my life. I don’t suceed or fail based on who the current party in power is. What I do find ironic, is that the very same people who preach “personal responsibility” and “self reliance” are the same ones to constantly lay blame for their problems squarely at the feet of the government.

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
8:41 am

This is the “peace dividend”… complacency, internal conflict, rudderless.

without, you know, actual *peace* of course.

but, point taken; well put.

(ir)Rational

April 20th, 2012
8:41 am

ByteMe – It isn’t often I think you make good points (no offense meant, we just don’t agree a lot) but I have to say you made two very good points there. Kudos.

As far as the unrest/distrust in America goes, I think the idea that we know too much about these people is part of the problem. You pull back too many layers of window dressing and suddenly you see people/things for who they really are. It isn’t always pretty.

JohnnyReb

April 20th, 2012
8:42 am

The royalty in this country is the president, and people want a president who can truly lead, produces positive results most agree with, and above all inspires. The current situation is not unlike that of the Carter years. Will Romney be like Reagan? No, but he will be presidential and that may just be enough.

Adam

April 20th, 2012
8:42 am

While it does seem to be true, what can be done about it? Once you make people distrust just about everything, it is extremely difficult to get trust from them even if you are genuinely trying to do something that is worthy of trust.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
8:42 am

How about the turn of events in the Zimmerman case??? Now do you jump to conclusion libs beleive he was attacked????

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

Mr. Holmes

April 20th, 2012
8:42 am

Just one guy’s interpretation: We now have access to so much information about virtually anything that we see nothing and no one is perfect–every individual makes mistakes and has failings; every organization has at least some measure of waste & corruption; every well-intended policy will be abused by someone somehow. And this has shattered the happy illusion that the world was composed of white hats and black hats.

But the world has always been this way, we just fooled ourselves into thinking it wasn’t. Once we accept that nothing will be perfect, that we must attempt to minimize imperfection and unintended consequences rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater when those imperfections inevitably appear, we’ll be a much happier country.

It’s kinda like getting older. It’s like the nation is a person right around age 30, experiencing an existential crisis after realizing he/she is not, in fact, invulnerable. We just need to realize that doesn’t mean life has to end.

willie lynch

April 20th, 2012
8:43 am

I’m paraphrasing here but I believe the scriptures say; “With more wisdom comes more sorrow.” I guess we’re damned if we do know, or damned if we don’t.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
8:45 am

Joseph-looks like a red sharpie on someone’s head. Your point?

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
8:45 am

It’s too bad dems won’t read this article and take something from it.

Golly, Joseph, what should dems take from it?

They should take from it that they should be honest with the American people and admit that they have done an atrocious job governing on a national level the last 3 years.

Gosh, thanks for that advice. It’s so helpful!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 20th, 2012
8:47 am

I see this all around me.

I understand some of it.

I continue to have faith in America and Americans.

To quote that great American philosopher

stevie ray…clowns to the left, jokers to the right..here I am…

“For those who like to allow this negative crap affect them, turn off the 24 hours news crap and take what action within their control and stop whining.”

Well said stevie ray, well said.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
8:49 am

ByteMe – Political thug for sale:

That is an excellent point. After 9/11 we came together like no other time in my lifetime. Because we had one common enemy. Like Al-Qaeda. And President Bush was the leader that we all longed for with the overwhelming majoirty behind him. Of course liberals especially in the media understood that they were losing some serious ground with the republic so the divide campaign began. 24/7 most news sources bashed Bush and Republicans in general simply because of their ideology. Its sad really that so many people bought in to this divide. After the 2010 elections and the one upcoming I think most Americans are starting to come around again.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
8:49 am

NBC and ABC and CNN straight out lie over and over again, but we’re told Fox is the bad guys… When our schools have seen continual decline ever since the Federal Department of Education was formed, when the War on Poverty and the policies that came from it have done nothing except create more poverty, when our President insults our allies and shows how ignorant of geography he is, why should we trust anything?

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
8:49 am

Becky:

You people are sick….

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
8:49 am

Joseph, could you please post your race-baiting stuff over at http://i-could-give-a-crap-what-joseph-thinx.org instead of here? thanks.

stevie ray...clowns to the left, jokers to the right..here I am...

April 20th, 2012
8:49 am

Joseph,

Agreed…do we really care who got the story first? Particularly when 99% of the time it’s half baked?

WILLIE,

I’m not of the opinion that any wisdom is derived from all the crap aired above. Wisdom IMO comes from challenging every perspective and drawing individual conclusions…Just works for me not that I am a bastion of wisdom…I also think I get wisdom from knowing I really don’t know sh&t.

Jed

April 20th, 2012
8:50 am

Were at war with ourselves.

willie lynch

April 20th, 2012
8:51 am

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
8:42 am

Ridiculous. Let a grown man accost your child with a weapon. Let your child in the course of defending him/herself get the upper hand. Let your child after defending him/herself from this assault ending in his/her death then be painted as the person who is the perpetrator of the criminal action and not the victim of an assault. Bury your child and watch his/her killer walk free and then follow this same line of asinine thinking you seem to employ to come to the conclusion that you should let it go.

You’re a fool.

ty webb

April 20th, 2012
8:52 am

cynicism is good, It’s my opinion that we don’t have enough cynics…oh, and Cronkite was a hack.

stevie ray...clowns to the left, jokers to the right..here I am...

April 20th, 2012
8:53 am

Thanks Grannie..but I still maintain that no matter how well things are going, I’m always lurking under a rock or behind a tree to jump out and screw things up for myself….damn I’m getting old.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
8:54 am

JohnnyReb:

I agree with your synopsis. Romney will never be Reagan and neither will anyone else for that matter I doubt. He would be a serious upgrade to what we have now. No matter your ideology there’s simply no denying that Obama has been an abstract failure. He hasn’t been able to bring us together as promised. I’ll admit that Republicans haven’t neccessarly reached out either but every single time Obama speaks its a bash session of divide. If people really knew what he stood for and had a complete understanding of his worldview I doubt very seriously he would get 30% of the vote….

Thomas

April 20th, 2012
8:55 am

or in honor of Van Halen – might as well jump…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 20th, 2012
8:56 am

stevie ray

I understand the screw up thing….that’s why I will never again light the grill with out back up.

whooosh!

(ir)Rational

April 20th, 2012
8:56 am

Joseph – So, Obama has only been a failure in the abstract? Interesting point of view. :roll:

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
8:57 am

Many of the TV commercials shown all day, every day, are nothing more than deceitful lying scams. Our lawmakers gladly allow this in return for large cash bribes. This has been going on for many years and large numbers of Americans grew up watching these Ads.
If you think this hasn’t had an effect on the American trust level, think again. Ask yourself the following:

1. Do you believe what TV commercials tell you?
2. Do you think most of them either exagerate or lie?
3. Do you wonder why this is allowed?

Do you honestly believe this has not affected your trust level in the slightest?

Mr. Holmes

April 20th, 2012
8:58 am

I think the word you’re looking for, Joseph, is “abject.”

And the award for understatement of the day goes to this gem: “I’ll admit that Republicans haven’t neccessarly reached out either…”

Becky

April 20th, 2012
8:59 am

Joseph-you do know that Reagan’s Alzheimer’s Disease had rendered him a babbling idiot by his 2nd term and in fact Nancy was calling the shots along with his advisors? A great President-don’t think so. He was a B grade movie star and a C grade President.

JamVet

April 20th, 2012
8:59 am

‘In Nothing We Trust’?

Perhaps for the weak and unenlightened, very likely.

But for the rest of us? Nonsense.

Of course, the great organized religions have historically proven to be useless and as often as not, deadly and dangerous. And why their membership has been falling for decades.

And beginning with Saint Ronnie, and under his holy leadership, corporations became the new cathedrals and churches in this country.

And money itself the new religion.

And when gargantuan amounts of it proved to be unsatisfying to the Masters of Mammon, unbridled greed and unabashed avarice replaced even it.

And the media is just a well payed, willing, corporate vehicle to advance all of the above, so no wonder it too is viewed as a failure.

Sports, particularly the professional variety, is about the last thing that now comes close to a dogma of sanctification. But it is so far down the road of being perverted by the Gods of Greed, that it offers no redemption.

So, we the people, who give a ___ about such things, fall back on those ideals that have always sustained us – liberty and justice for all.

And trusting in ourselves and these sacred words…

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…

willie lynch

April 20th, 2012
9:00 am

stevie ray…clowns to the left, jokers to the right..here I am…

April 20th, 2012
8:49 am

Well if you are wise it should be a foregone conclusion we know far less than there is to know and will never come close to attaining all wisdom. My point was (as was noted in the scriptural passage but not so literally) as we get older the more we become aware of, and in this awareness we remove the cover of innocence and begin to see things in their truth.

Oz was a much more foreboding place before the curtain was pulled back from the wizard.

Normal, plain and simple

April 20th, 2012
9:00 am

“morning all y’all…
Only apathy will kill democracy. If you quit believing, the fat cats will win and America will be gone forever. Always believe and always vote.

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 20th, 2012
9:00 am

I think the idea that we know too much about these people is part of the problem

I think that’s also part of the problem. We know too much about people we shouldn’t give a damn about, but almost nothing about the person living right next door. Where did front porches go??

barking frog

April 20th, 2012
9:01 am

Despite our cynicism,
we have spent more
blood and treasure
helping others than
any other nation.
Our undereducated
put a man on the moon.
All nations put their
treasure in our trust.
Sorry nation.

Oscar

April 20th, 2012
9:01 am

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:01 am

willie lynch:

So in other words Zimmerman should have just let Martin beat him to a pulp and done nothing? That would be a fool Bud….

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 20th, 2012
9:03 am

He was a B grade movie star and a C grade President.

But an A+ mythology.

The Reagan Bible hasn’t been written yet, but the church is already set up.

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:03 am

joseph

True, bush had a united country after 911 then promply threw it all away by invading iraq, one of the most serious foreign affair blunders in modern US history. We are still dealing with the ramifications…

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:03 am

ir)Rational:

Pehaps abysmal would be a better word…

Thomas Heyward Jr.

April 20th, 2012
9:03 am

Decent people everywhere can trust Ron Paul.
He fights the good fight..(minimizing the Federal Government’s influence in our lives and families).
.
Beware of those who disparage him.

willie lynch

April 20th, 2012
9:04 am

Becky

April 20th, 2012
8:59 am

Reagan’s mob ties and his ill gotten wealth will be one of those things revealed as time goes on. Following in line with this article’s premise, they only know so much about him now but soon they will have more to digest. But then again their supporting the republicans now so it probably wont make a difference.

F. Sinkwich

April 20th, 2012
9:04 am

We experienced similar symptoms in the late 70’s.

It was called malaise back then.

The cure?

Get rid of the incompetent occupant of the White House.

(ir)Rational

April 20th, 2012
9:04 am

ByteMe – Let’s not get me started on where front porches went. Short answer, zoning laws that pushed houses too far away from the street combined with developers who decided they could save a couple thousand by not having a front porch (and when they do, they typically have no understanding of what size a porch needs to be to be useful) so they’ve largely disappeared or became useless.

St Simons - we're on Island time

April 20th, 2012
9:05 am

duh, the Way we have been force-fed to try since 1981 – here we are.
You knew this day would come. The dying throes of the Old Ways.
That’s what Dec 2012 is all about. We just can’t go on like this.

We are passing from the time of “Ever Man fer Hisself” to the Age of
“We’re All in This Together.”
Best time to be alive, to watch this Change.
Come to de Island, mon. You’ll see it all around you.
Can’t see it in da city or de traffic, mon.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:05 am

Becky:

You just proved your ignorance for all to see. Great job Becky….

King of Everything

April 20th, 2012
9:05 am

and W asks, ” Why don’t they call it some other body’s tax cut?” Only a retard speaks like that. And he was elected twice!

Butch Cassidy

April 20th, 2012
9:05 am

Joseph – “If people really knew what he stood for and had a complete understanding of his worldview I doubt very seriously he would get 30% of the vote….”

Well now’s your chance to enlighten the world. When can we expect to see you on television sharing this new found and verified knowledge?

JohnnyReb

April 20th, 2012
9:05 am

Joseph – I agree on people not truly understanding Obama, but as far as that goes, if the juicy posts from the Left on this blog were common knowledge we would have a record turnout at the polls in November. And they call us nuts.

iggy

April 20th, 2012
9:05 am

At one time we all trusted The AJC and more importantly, Jay Bookman. Alas, those times are gone and I fear all is lost.

godless heathen©

April 20th, 2012
9:06 am

What better example than carlosgv? Big business, Military-Industrial Complex, all out to get us.

I attribute part of this national paranoia to the entertainment industry. When was the last time you saw a movie or TV show where a businessman was portrayed in a positive light? How many movies have been made where the government is portrayed as covering stuff up? Scientists are almost always depicted as being up to no good. And as far as the educational system, we don’t have to turn on the TV to suspect failure of that system. All we have to do is read job applications.

Butch Cassidy

April 20th, 2012
9:07 am

ByteMe – “Where did front porches go??”

They were replaced with back decks. :)

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:07 am

sink

We had eight years of incompetency of the previous guy, way worse than the malaise era…

Becky

April 20th, 2012
9:07 am

There will be a record turnout at the polls in November due to the overwhelming increase in women voters turning out to declare the WAR on Women is over.

willie lynch

April 20th, 2012
9:07 am

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:01 am

So Trayvon Martin should have let this stranger with a gun confront him and not defend himself? Again Joseph, the boy was not doing anything that should have resulted in his being followed in the first place let alone after having defended himself against an unprovoked attack ended up dead.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:09 am

Mick:

The country united behind the Iraq war at the time. Thats is until the liberal lies began. Iraq was actaully become somewhat stable with most troops having left thanks to Bush. Obama and Afganistan on the other hand is a different story….

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 20th, 2012
9:10 am

Let’s not get me started on where front porches went.

But I think that was the beginning of the end of community. That and central air conditioning, which allowed us to stay buttoned up in our houses on warm evenings instead of hanging out on the front porch seeing our neighbors. If you never see them, you don’t have to develop empathy for them. When you don’t have opportunities to develop empathy for someone outside your “tribe”, it’s easy to blame all your problems on “the other”.

We need a good external enemy. Which is sad to think about as well.

Mr. Holmes

April 20th, 2012
9:10 am

“Where did front porches go??” …. They were replaced with back decks.

Lot of wisdom packed into those two lines. Well played.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:11 am

willie lynch:

Since you were an eye witness I’ll take your word for it… You people are insane. You don’t know what happened but with all the evidense coming forward that Zimmerman was attacked and he did have injuries. Let the jury decide…

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 20th, 2012
9:11 am

They were replaced with back decks.

They’re mutually exclusive??

Jefferson

April 20th, 2012
9:11 am

7 out of 10 americans are on the wrong track is the problem, lots of reasons to get on with your life other than blaming gov’t for your woes, unless you are a gi.

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:13 am

joseph

I don’t know where you were but I and many other vets were vehemently opposed to the iraq debacle! We had him boxed in as colin powell would admit. All we did was kill over 500k innocent iraqi’s (low estimate) 5000US troops killed and 30,000 seriously maimed or wounded. The final insult? Iran was the winner, not to mention the cost. It’s bs, the iraq war ruined us…

Becky

April 20th, 2012
9:14 am

Mick-agreed and thank you for your service.

Oscar

April 20th, 2012
9:15 am

ByteMe – Political thug for sale

April 20th, 2012
9:11 am
They were replaced with back decks.

They’re mutually exclusive??

___________

I have one of each. Like my front porch. It’s on the east. Deck is on the west.

willie lynch

April 20th, 2012
9:16 am

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:11 am

I’m perfectly willing to let a jury decide. Of course I was not an eyewitness, I simply laid out a scenario that seems much more plausible than the one laid out by the killer.

(ir)Rational

April 20th, 2012
9:16 am

ByteMe – Considering the people that design and build most homes in America today, yes, those two are mutually exclusive. Like I said, a lot of it deals with a combination of zoning laws and developers, but I lay a large part of the blame on developers.

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:18 am

becky

What galled myself and others was five deferment “I had other priorities during the vietnam war” dick cheney was calling the shots. He is and always will be, a stain in our history books….

Oscar

April 20th, 2012
9:19 am

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:13 am
_____

I would ot say we are ruined, but agree with you about the war. Bad move that I was against from the first. Never been so embarrassed as when I was watching Colin Powell with that rediculous presentation at the UN about the trucks with the movable labs inside. Probably our worst moment ever. Could not believe he was saying those words with a straight face.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:19 am

Butch Cassidy:

Thats the probem Butch. Theres not much of an avenue for enlighntment my veiws. The so called main stream media certainly don’t tell the whole story. Do you honestly think anyone cares about Romney riding with his dog on the roof of his car? Do you think people care about Obama eating dog meat? I don’t think so but that is what the MSM is talking about….

Call it like it is

April 20th, 2012
9:19 am

Nothing new here. This is the way it has been from the start up of our country. We started with Tories who were royalists and afraid to move forward without the British Crown and you had Whigs who were independent and wanted to govern themselves. Essentially these same parties are what we have today with the same values. Tories have become Democrats and Whigs have become Republicans. A huge section of the population didn’t trust the government “the royal crown” in the 1700’s and the decedents of that group still don’t. Again nothing new here.

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
9:19 am

Ok, I read the article. Some good stories, also some pulled-out-of-the-butt assertions of fact that detracted greatly from its overall value. Give it about a C-.

too little time

April 20th, 2012
9:20 am

JB… all sad but true. Your bank jacks your CC interest rate to 30% when you miss a payment by one day. The Feds run a 1+Trillion dollar deficit. GE pays no income tax. Public schools have gone nowhere in 30 years despite spending twice as much per student. Pedophile priests go unchecked from congregation to congregation. Mainstream media is transparently biased to one party or the other. There is no “personal” in public life. This limits our ability to choose candidates who might be great, save for a skeleton or two in the closet.

Trust nothing and no one.

Oscar

April 20th, 2012
9:20 am

llie lynch

April 20th, 2012
9:16 am
_______

Agree with you about leaving it to the jury. Real facts will probably never be known.

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:20 am

willie lynch:

From the evidense that I’ve seen it looks like self defense to me…. If someone was beating me you bet I would use force to stop them….

Becky

April 20th, 2012
9:21 am

You can add Cheney’s lack of service with most of the talking hate radio heads, Bush’s MIA and Ted Nugent. And these are the best and brightest of the Republican party?

Butch Cassidy

April 20th, 2012
9:21 am

ByteMe – “They’re mutually exclusive??”

I can only speculaet., I live in a high rise on the lower east side, so I can’t really have either. :)

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
9:21 am

godless heathen – 9:06

My posts are aimed at people who have some imagination and intelligence, not dullards like you who think high quality TV entertainment is Jersey Shore.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 20th, 2012
9:21 am

“America 2012: ‘In Nothing We Trust’?”

“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will HEAL THEIR LAND.”

II Chronicles 7:14

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:22 am

call it

Nice perspective, I think you tap into some valid observations…

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:22 am

Mick:

Your entitled to your opinion. I dissagree….

(ir)Rational

April 20th, 2012
9:22 am

Joseph – Interestingly enough, outside your home you’re only allowed to respond with like force. In most places. So, given your staunch defense and belief that he is completely innocent, please explain to me in what world a pistol = a punch.

Normal, plain and simple

April 20th, 2012
9:22 am

For those of you who might care, MSNBC is showing the Zimmerman bond hearing live.

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:24 am

That’s a nice passage but we do have a secular gov’t since the beginning. Wicked ways? That could be interpreted by both sides to uphold their arguments…

Mr. Snarky

April 20th, 2012
9:25 am

After having 8 years under W of people who don’t believe in government running the government for the profit of their buddies…is it any wonder people are cynical? (Katrina, Iraq, the big examples of this) With a public that has collective short attention span and a Congress that panders to special interest with policies that maintain and increase spending (Medicare Plan B) while cutting taxes (Bush tax cuts). Then you have the Bank Bailouts without any meaningful changes to Bank regulations, cynicism is the natural response.

Obama may not be perfect, but nothing that has happened in the past 3 years compares to the above fiascos under Bush. Too bad the public seems to have amnesia.

rightwing troll

April 20th, 2012
9:25 am

“Admit that Obama is an absolute failure as a leader but excels at being a divider.”

Why would we admit to something that simply isn’t true? The truth is this:
You and your ilk were divided from the rest of the country the second one of those folks got elected, and you’ve been working towards making his presidency a failure from day one, he never had a chance with you and your ilk. And now that W’s economy is finally fading away and there’s some glimmer of hope that things are starting to get better, you and your ilk are that much more bitter and angry.

You can’t handle that truth…

Joseph

April 20th, 2012
9:25 am

Butch Cassidy

April 20th, 2012
9:25 am

Joseph – “I don’t think so but that is what the MSM is talking about….”

There are other news agencies outside the United States. Why must everything be either FOX or MSNBC? Seriously, if you want to get an understanding of how the world views us, spend some time reading newspapers and watching news from the rest of the world.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
9:26 am

I was gobsmacked yesterday when a book I had on order at the library had a brochure inside inviting me to a showing of Passages. A biblical story about the bible. I asked the librarian who was responsible for putting these into the books on reserve (there were like brochures at the check out counter). They are a fund raiser for the library to be able to extend the hours of operation!!!

WTF?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 20th, 2012
9:26 am

Joseph — “How about the turn of events in the Zimmerman case??? Now do you jump to conclusion libs beleive he was attacked????”

If I was lawfully proceeding through a neighborhood where my family member lived (and where I was staying at the time) and you stalked and pursued me and confronted me, demanding to know why I was there, I’d do worse than that to you.

Maybe you should be criticizing Mr. Jump To Conclusions Zimmerman.

Mick

April 20th, 2012
9:26 am

joseph

Fair enough but don’t think it was the media who soured on the iraq war and the president. They cheered him on. In the end, it was the action itself, whoops no wmd, pathetically embarassing…

F. Sinkwich

April 20th, 2012
9:26 am

So Mick says it’s Bush’s fault.

That didn’t take long, did it?

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
9:27 am

Jay, what is it about your blog that draws such a large number of not very bright middle and high school students? It’s really depressing to post intelligent blogs here and get large numbers of mindless responses.