Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler

As if anyone really cares about what this Bishop had to say….

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I love how the Democrat agenda right now is to focus on something meaningless like the above article instead of talking about what Americans are concerned with like jobs, housing, the deficit, etc…

How is this administration handling these REAL issues?

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Phake papist physicians, heal thy pedophilic selves.

THAT is a true scourge on this land.

What do we burn apart from witches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

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“I love how the Democrat agenda right now is to focus on something meaningless like the above article instead of talking about what Americans are concerned with like jobs, housing, the deficit, etc”

blogspot.com is ready whenever you are

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“But then that wouldn’t be favorable to Obama. Best to stick to meaningless sideshows”

blogspot.com is ready when you are, too

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“heal thy pedophilic selves.”

JamVet,

Cold man. Just cold. Still damn funny though.

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woodstock

Yes, straight up – where are the jobs mr. boehner???

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If “church law must take precedence”, then take away the tax breaks. Jesus said they must render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s, right?

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Hey Mick – I’d direct that question to Mr. Reid.

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Forget Jenky. Reverend Ike is MY man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfePr2jOokw&feature=relmfu

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Repeat after me: “I make my mind a money magnet!!”

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“Corruption is rampant in Illinois and in many Democrat controlled big cities in the U.S.”
As it is in Republican-controlled state houses across the country.A crook is a crook is a crook. Neither party has a monopoly on coruption.

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Bro,
I offer this to the “good Bishop”…

http://lolcats.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/04/13/funny-cat-pictures-whuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttt/

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Just in case you forgot, Jay, Bush was compared to Hitler on a regular basis:

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/media/AnalogiesUSPresHitlerMegan.htm

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I guess Mick’s statement acknowledges that jobs haven’t been created under Obama. He just blames a congressman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w

Ask Johnny about his jobs plan. You all elected him to go to DC, and he said he had a plan to create private sector jobs. Any idea why the Conservative Senator from Georgia has not put forth a semblance of a plan yet? Is he more concerned about partisanship as opposed to the country’s recovery?

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Calling someone a fool does not equate with mature journalism. The bishop is tired of Obama as are all sensible people: the hard-left fringe has a problem with that fact,

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Just in case you forgot, Jay, Bush was compared to Hitler on a regular basis.

I tried to post a link twice, but was put into moderation. I invite you all to google “Bush Hitler comparisons”.

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Bruno,
jay only carries water of a certain flavor.

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Yes, because requiring Catholic hospitals to cover contraceptives is pretty close to nationalizing the entire economy and outlawing religion. Almost the same, but not quite.

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The bishop is tired of Obama as are all sensible people: the hard-left fringe has a problem with that fact

Jack–There are a thousand legitimate ways to criticize Obama. Using over-the-top analogies like this Bishop did is NOT legitimate, and only gives more ammunition to folks who dismiss any and all criticism of Obama as being motivated by race or some other non-reason.

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First we’re not supposed to mention Bush because he’s no longer president, yadda yadda yadda. Then suddenly it’s all “oh yeah what about BUSH!” Which is it, boys?

Bush is to be mentioned only when he’s a plus towards pushing your viewpoint. I think that rule applies to both sides of the ideological spectrum. At least it appears that way from where I sit.

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I wonder if this blog would have been just as interesting without taking a dig at the entire Catholic religion in reference to their actions in WWII.

1) ’twasn’t a dig at the “entire Catholic religion”.

2) in the context of this a-hole bishop’s shameless playing of the Nazi card, Jay’s dig was richly deserved, and I am glad he brought it up.

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but but they said if the taxes were lower on the job creators, they could create jobs. How low should their taxes be…0%?!

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Corruption is rampant in Illinois and in many Democrat controlled big cities in the U.S.

well if TD’s going off topic, so will I.

Why are more conservative-leaning American cities filled with lazy people?

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another form of mass control feels the heat of irrelevance, or extinction
I love the smell of burnt hypocrite in the morning
Fascists & Whigs everywhere, sweat. Sweat it, baby.

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“I love how the Republican’t agenda right now is to focus on something meaningless instead of talking about what Americans are concerned with like jobs, housing, the deficit, etc”

There, fixed your typo.

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Actually, “Bush” was only brought up to document how Jay only became a “palace guard” in January of 2009…perhaps he was promoted.

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…anyone think this Bishop is going to lose his job over this bomb-throwing garbage?

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…anyone think this Bishop is going to lose his job over this bomb-throwing garbage?

sfd–In the case of the Catholic Church, I have always voted with my feet.

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stands for decibels,

Well that’s a pretty weak argument. But I’ll counter with a more interesting argument. Why are food stamp recipients obese. And whose fatter? Republican suburbanites? Or Democrats on food stamps?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/12/food-stamp-recipients-mor_n_257327.html

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The cons are not taking the people marginalizing them very well.

I am sure many cons like this one will go off and show their true colors.

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Peadawg

April 18th, 2012
1:28 pm

Apropos !

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Scooter

April 18th, 2012
1:33 pm
I’m not sure if you meant it, but I do see that comparison in the “good Bishop”…

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jamvet

So, in other words, we are becoming euro weenies? Scratch that, more enlightened I presume…

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So its the evil Republican officeholders not willing to allot funds for paving roads huh? No bias there huh?

How is it bias when it is the truth. When talk came up of infrastructure spending, which party said no? Seems the Senate put aside partisaned differences and worked on a 2 year transportation bill that would have kept things going, but the House didn’t like that. Which Party controls the House?

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Special for Mick and Jam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kmq9uM4Mq0

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Wow, the the catholic priest the same ones who stood up for Travon Martin, the Catholic priest who sat silently while priest touched little boys, the Catholic priest who said nothing while Martin Luther King was being beaten and jailed, these are the same people that supported 3 times adultery Newt G.

President Obama has brought this country back from life support, wall street is making record profits, CEO are making profits, but yet these hateful hypocrites priest on the right are wishing his dimise and calling the President of the United States names, even though he is out fighting terrorist keeping this country safe, wow.

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And happy 155th birthday to an amazing shining light in an era of great Christian darkness.

We have the purpose of preventing bigots and ignoramuses from controlling the education of the United States. ~ Clarence Darrow.

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stands for decibels

Everything she said was the truth, she was the first to point out Bush and Cheney were getting rich off the war, turns out to be truth, she was the first to say their were no weapons in Iraq, the idiots on the right laughed at her, but history proved she was correct.

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At this time he is in danger of losing the Hispanic vote.

Huge LOL!

It would be the greatest turn around in electoral history in any given demographic. (McCain getting trounced 67 – 31 in 08.)

Notwithstanding our current Republican president deporting more of them that our previous Republican president.

Love the unintentional comedy though.

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Obama has a new TV commercial where he has a hired hand try to point out how three different medium income people pay more in taxes than a wealthy person does. Of course he is really talking about percentages not dollars, but no matter. The Obama hired gun flat out lies. Nothing new here for liberals when the facts don’t work make up some lies. The hired gun includes Medicare and Social Security cost in the middle incom. e examples, without mentioning it during the commercial. Busted! Social Security and Medicare are investments in the examples future retirement. The actual income tax rates are 7%, 10%, and I think 14% for middle income tax payers versus millionaires at 18%. We have a pregressive tax system which is fair but the Obama administration continues to lie and his sycophants continue to believe otherwise.

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n, it’s called GWB Deflection Disease.

Ask around. Barry is the worst president since…………………………………..

Jimmy Carter.

Hysterical rubes.

B, cross eyed Mary…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7jLiXeFm_E

(Saving Fascist Christ for later…)

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Peadawg — “How about we liken Catholic priests to Jerry Sandusky?”

I’m up for that.

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Everything she said was the truth

Really? I don’t know of anyone who could live up to that standard.

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Doom — “But I’ll counter with a more interesting argument. Why are food stamp recipients obese. And whose fatter? Republican suburbanites? Or Democrats on food stamps?”

Clearly, obese SNAP recipients can remedy their health woes if we give them white-collar jobs and nice homes in the suburbs.

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The bishop got in real trouble when he accused Obama of “going down a similar path.” instead of sticking to the actions of Obama he was against. Leaving the assumption that he was accusing Obama of wanting to do the same things Hitler, Stalin, Bismark and the others he mentioned had done. He may or may not have thought that, but his langauge idicates that he did.

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Brocephus,

A couple of nice articles on road construction spending, unemployment, etc. They may not fit your narrative but they are interesting nonetheless. BTW I did read that WashPos complete link. Not anything I disagree with in his article except about the nonsense that part of the problem is Republican officeholders holding back road paving projects. The 2nd article on the AP study on road construction not lowering unemployment is much more interesting.

He did make a point of complaining about U.S. multinationals offshoring jobs and just not paying labor as much. But he of course proffered no solution. The ugly truth is that there may not be a solution. If a particular company doesn’t offshore jobs to stay competitive then it may simply go under completely and the few U.S. jobs it had are then also lost.

“Republicans officeholders’ reluctance to allot public funds even for paving roads, construction isn’t coming back anytime soon.”

Looks to me like we’re still spending plenty in construction even if it is down.

FEBRUARY 2012 CONSTRUCTION AT $808.9 BILLION ANNUAL RATE

http://www.census.gov/const/C30/release.pdf

Spending government money on road construction does nothing to lower local unemployment, a massive new study of 700 counties by the AP shows.

There is no difference in unemployment trends between counties that received the most stimulus money and the group that received none.

The myth of the government spending money on road construction to fight unemployment seems to be based on inaccurate memories of the public works projects of the Great Depression rather than fact. Marshall country in Tennessee received more road money than almost any other county in America. Unemployment there is heading toward 20%.

“As a policy tool for creating jobs, this doesn’t seem to have much bite,” said Emory University economist Thomas Smith, who supported the stimulus and reviewed AP’s

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-01-11/markets/30015824_1_local-unemployment-stimulus-money-road-construction#ixzz1sKjBLxrn

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Seems the Catholic Bishops as a group are not happy with Republican budgets either:

http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-063.cfm

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If only Jenky had spent the last 20 plus years screaming “God damn America” from the pulpit week after week, he’d be celebrated by Jay and his lib ilk minions here on this blog. Or at least be excused for some reason or another.

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Keep it up, Catholic Church. I mean, if you want to alienate even more people, that is…

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stands for decibels,

Free article from a lib favorite the Huffington post. Kinda interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanton-peele/americans-are-unhealthy-e_b_719126.html

We know Americans eat too much and are overweight. That’s more true of poor Americans. The higher your income and education in America, the less likely you are to be obese. Hispanic, Native American and African American youths are far more likely to be overweight than their Caucasian cohorts.

And the differences are growing worse. A recent study of Californians found that obesity has leveled off for teens since 2005, except among Native American and African American girls, where it continues to increase. Eighty percent of African American women are now overweight.

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Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:11 pm

“Keep it up, Catholic Church. I mean, if you want to alienate even more people, that is… ”

does that mean when dems said that about bush they alienated democratic party members?

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sink

Thanks for the perspective, you really know how to make a relevant point…

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Doom

I don’t think that road construction by itself does anything. What I think it does is that spending puts money back in the economy to be cycled around. There is more benefit to main street when money moves around versus sitting in a bank.

As to Myerson’s attention to pin things on the GOP, it does not help that the GOP continues to championing stopping Obama every chance they can. When you’re on record with that agenda, it’s hard to shake that image.

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Politicians who pretend to be catholic in church?

I thought the speech was about the Newt.

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Union, do you ever use a different MO besides, “But Mommy! Billy did it too!”

Seriously.

It only works the first three hundred and fifty seven times…

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From the Urban Dictionary:

jenky – extremely low in quality or base in thought, specifically used in the ghetto to replace “ghetto” as an adjective.

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“Please explain to me again why churches that have obvious political stances can remain tax free.”

Live Rev. Wright’s Church that Obama went to?

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Talking Head, do you ever use a different MO besides, “But Mommy! Billy did it too!”

Seriously.

It only works the first three hundred and fifty seven times…

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My ATL hood just had a shootout

If you need drugs, crack, whatever, go to Chosewood Park

Cops apparently don’t care and aren’t doing anything to stop it

Welfare recipients are welcome there too

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Some of you guys really need material newer than “the scary colored guy who doesn’t lead the church Obama no longer belongs to”.

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Adam

Interesting view – that popular vote determines core belief systems in a religious sphere.

But given Nicaea, that may not be too far off -

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Jay, this morning you take up the banner of poor people dependent on the state for assistance not having to prove they are drug free. In your view, they have Constitutional rights that must be protected.

This afternoon you take on the Catholic Church for wanting the Federal Government to stay out of their business and Constitutional Rights. You find taking of their Liberty and freedom OK.

Are you sure you are not an Independent? Someone who changes their mind to suit their purpose?

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Becky — “Please explain to me again why churches that have obvious political stances can remain tax free.”

Because BIRF CONTROL, that’s why.

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This quote is scary:

“We must be a fearless army of Catholic men, ready to give everything we have for the Lord…”

Just pointing out that if you replaced the word “Catholic” with “Muslim” we would all think it was a terrorist organization.

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JohnnyReb — “This afternoon you take on the Catholic Church for wanting the Federal Government to stay out of their business and Constitutional Rights. You find taking of their Liberty and freedom OK.”

How, exactly, are their liberty and freedom being infringed upon?

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Intown — “A hyberbolic, misplaced, and unnecessary call to arms by this bishop.”

Birfers, Phase Two.

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recon

Maybe you should convert then if that’s what appeals to you…

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Catholic church = institutionalized pedophilia…

Why do we care what this child-raper apologist has to say, the catholic church’s silence on the matter of priests sexually abusing children speaks volumes about the institution.

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Recon 0311 2533

April 18th, 2012
2:32 pm

I’m not Catholic but Amen to Bishop Jenky’s spot on speech.
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Ditto

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Union: does that mean when dems said that about bush they alienated democratic party members?

Yes. But not JUST dems.

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Paul: Interesting view – that popular vote determines core belief systems in a religious sphere.

The Catholic Church depends on membership, just like any other religion. The difference is it’s more direct and immediate.

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Paul: I also happen to think that likening Obama to Hitler or Stalin says nothing of the core beliefs of the Catholic faith, but it cans till turn people away from being church goers if they feel their leadership has abandoned the faith.

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How dare the church want to think secularly from government? After all, governments should be viewed with god-like reverance..

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“reproductive choice”, is that the same as selective murder?

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Well if they think Obama’s policies are a failure then why shouldn’t they stop him?

If that’s what they choose to do, then so be it. Just don’t complain when they get blamed for things not getting done. Given that Obama supported the 2 year bill, the GOP seeks to stop his agenda, and the House defeated that bill, how can one not lay blame with the GOP in this case?

Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in

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Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in

It is not possible to prove it didn’t work.

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Mick @ 2:42

I was thinking the exact same thing. Zed is calling people “liberal leg humpers”, yet he can’t even see that his post could be one of many right wing talk show hosts or writers direct diatribe and talking points

But it was funny to read…….

Get them “libs”……… Zed

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“I’m not sure what can be done to ensure those receiving food assistance make better dietary choices. I’m certainly open to suggestions.”

stands for decibels

Unfortunately I’m not sure either. I applaud Michelle Obama’s eating healthier initiative as a fantastic and worthy goal for the first lady. But as that Huffpo article points out they believe she will fail in making any real difference and that’s a shame. Eating healthier and smarter is something that I think can only be done at a grass roots and individual level and its going to be hard for that to change overnight.

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bro
**Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in**

Shhhhh…nobody really needs to focus on that particular truth…

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they BOTH suck,

Quit humpin my leg you librul leg humper.

Ahahaha… too funny….

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Glad I could provide some humor today amongst the faithful…..Do unto others and all that….;)

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“Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in”

It should be remembered that tax cuts are also part of overall Keynesian economic policy.

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zeed

Yes, thanks…humor is always greatly appreciated! Seriously, why else would god make a giraffe?

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Jay, with all due respect, why should we respect the opinions of anyone from this sinister organization?

I think it has something to do with the false idea that somehow, someway, Catholics do as they’re told

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Recon 0311 2533

Maybe Obama should have look the other way and let the top terrorist he gave orders to kill come your house and these so called Anti Americans hyprocrite priest.

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JohnnyReb,

It’s interesting this diversion away from the important issues by attacking a church leader. Here we have the Senate Democrats under Harry Reid behaving like immature spoiled brats by not even bringing budget proposals up for a vote after not fulfilling their charter to pass one for 3 years. With Bush tax rates due to expire at years end and the deep cuts to our military and government programs posed to kick in as a result of failure to cut spending we’re looking at train wreck in January 013. It almost appears the Democrats expect Obama to lose and they want to leave the country in ruins for the next administration.

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Mick 2:52

To eat the leaves at the top of the tree silly

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Wonder how this Bishop feels about the Trayvon Martin case? I have not heard ONE “christian” white Bishop/Minister offer an opinion about the whole outcry! Was he outraged about the number of kids that have been molested under the leadership of the various catholic churches?

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“It almost appears the Democrats expect Obama to lose and they want to leave the country in ruins for the next administration.”

One could replace Dem with Rep and Obama with McCain and argue the same point

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Liberals, socialists, marxists, fascists and nazis, you hope that millions of catholics will vote against their doctrine and beliefs and vote for your man Obama. A few will. But the rest, ………..? Frankly, most of us are fed up with the constant attacks on our christanity, our beliefs and our GOD from you non believers. Come November, we will have our say. Amen.

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gm@2:55, I’d give responding to your post a bit of consideration, however, you appear to have a problem expressing yourself clearly.

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“attacking a church leader”.

Hysterical.

The despicable man makes up out of thin air the most depraved lies about the president, comparing him directly to mass murderers, but pay that no mind!

No sirree.

HE is the one being attacked.

Is it any wonder why church attendance is plummeting?

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I have not heard ONE “christian” white Bishop/Minister offer an opinion about the whole outcry!

uh, whuh…?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/sns-ap-il–neighborhoodwatch-chicagochurch,0,3780948.story

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-across-us-wear-hoodies-on-palm-sunday-72442/

just two of hundreds of stories out there.

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Doomy, forget the camels. If you want some serious humping, go for a humpback whale.

Size matters!

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Recon 0311 2533

I understand you have no answer””’

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Mighty Righty @ 3:04

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/us/politics/08beliefs.html

Except for your assertion, what evidence do you have that shows a change from how Catholics voted in 2008?

Always helpful to gain new insights and read interesting information.

Thanks

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“rightwing troll

Can you think of one major institution that’s been around for years that hasn’t had some sort of a scandal?”

No. You’ll find I’m an equal opportunity despiser of all purveyors of evil, and any large religious institution is exactly that. Beware of men spouting bible verses, always…

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TBS, umm, unless you know something I don’t, Mccain won’t be running again.

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Size matters!- JamVet

Yep. So I’ve been told.

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Where was I factually incorrect?

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Doom — “Yep. So I’ve been told.”

With disappointment in her voice.

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rightwing troll

So you don’t have much use for Gautama Buddha or Ghandi?

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Jay

April 18th, 2012
2:09 pm
No, Party, can’t say I do…
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Jay, in Jersey where I grew up, “jenky” means someone shady or untrustworthy.

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I wonder if he was also repulsed this much by the molestation of little boys? What does he have to say about that?

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gm

April 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Why should anyone be surprised of white bishops, and priest, these are the people that hung blacks back in the 19th and 20th century in the name of Jessus.
We never hear about Obama commitment to family and morales or the 1st lady out there fighting for widows who lost members in the miltary instead these devils who pretend to be Priest support men like Newt G. and remain silent while they rape litte boys.
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gm, like I used to tell my nephew when he would say dumb things:

Think about what you want to say.
Run it through your mental filter.
If it makes sense to you.
Then DON’T say it.

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–”Frankly, most of us are fed up with the constant attacks on our christanity, our beliefs and our GOD from you non believers.”

I’m not much for attacks on people of religious persuasion either or someone’s individual beliefs in God. But I’ve no problem with criticism of organized religion and in particular some institutions moreso than others. If you study history you will see the Catholic church for 2000 years has been a great force of oppression and all sorts of evil. The recent covering up of the pedophile scandals and the willful silence of the church during the holocaust does nothing to silence those criticisms. Many Catholics and catholic leaders and priests are very good people. But as for the institution and its historical transgressions I don’t care for it much.

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TBS a genuine move to cut spending, reform entitlements and reform the tax code where all pay something, followed then by tax increases would probably gain the support from most voters. The odds of that happening this year? Slim to none and as Dan Rather would say “Slim is fixing to ride out of town”.

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Fred and Joe Mama,

I didn’t say in what context I had been told that so ya’ll simmer down now- ya hear? For all ya’ll know I mighta been told that in the glowing aftermath of a fine Doomy performance. Or not…

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I find it amazing that the Catholic Church would assail our President or anyone else for that matter given it’s history of sexual abuse and Inquisitions. How many countless people were tortured or died as the result of the Inquisiton?

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It should be remembered that tax cuts are also part of overall Keynesian economic policy.

True enough, but how many Keyensian routinely break out in song and dance on how tax cuts spur economic growth?

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Fred,

That and here in Latin America the evils perpetrated on local indigenous populations were particularly severe. In my studies of Latin America the church holds as much or more responsibility for the lack of advancement and oppression as any other factor. And for centuries the church and the sword worked hand in the form of far right dictatorships operating with the blessing of the church. Just a fact.

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Mary Elizabeth

Since there is not a shred of hard evidence that God even exists, why do you speak of a Creator as though it is a proven fact?

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How many countless people were tortured or died as a result of Nazi Germany, atheist communist Soviet Russia or atheist communist China, North Korea and Radical Islam?

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recon-are you suggesting the religion with the most blood on its hands wins?

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TD: Look also at the role of the Catholic Church in Ireland. ESPECIALLY during the famine years.

I try to be tolerant and “respectful” of the Catholic Church, but in my opinion they are about one nanometer better than Southern Baptists.

But then I don;t know what to say. I made a post that contains the same thing as at least 8 posts I have just read and it got pulled. So maybe I’ll just go down to 3 dollar and have a beer.

If you are off work come on down. 3 dollar on Chamblee Tucker………….. (invite applies to anyone lol. I’ll be the fat guy with the big fat loud opinionated mouth. You can’t miss me.)

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Sooth

“I find it amazing that the Catholic Church would assail our President”

I don’t believe a bishop speaks for the Catholic Church.

And when you hearken back to the Inquisition you play right into the hands of the “Islam’s not a religion, it’s a socio-political war machine” crowd.

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Pizza

April 18th, 2012
3:25 pm

So we have Bishop Daniel Jenky and Ted Nugent making such statements but what Hilary Rosen said was outrageous ? I’m confused . . . .
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No confusion necessary. All three made outrageous asshat comments.

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Don’t sound like a non profit to me, maybe taxes should be in order…

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Well put, Mr. Bookman. And this man has a degree in history. Shameful. One wonders if Bishop Jenky is out to make some noise in order to be noticed way out there in Peoria by the other members of the US hierarchy and Curia. He may be feeling too removed from the large urban dioceses of Chicago, Boston and New York where the front line action is. What better way to be seen and heard by Dolan in New York and the Pope in Rome than to fire off an incendiary salvo in the culture wars. His rhetoric really goes beyond much of what I seen put out by the Church hierarchs. He should apologize to President Obama. I bet he’s bucking for a red beanie!

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Fred-Or last year when Obama proposed EXACTLY that and the Republican controlled Congress killed it. You see, it required RICH PEOPLE to pay some taxes and we can’t have that can we?

Of course the other version is that Obama reneged on that agreement because his base was going ballistic about entitlement reform and so he informed Boehner that it would have to be all tax increases on the wealthy. Boehner said no. Choose who you want to believe but either way the problem remains and I don’t see much from the Democrats in the form of real solutions. The “Buffett Rule” won’t get it and even Obama admits that, while he’s given up governing in favor of campaigning.

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Fred,

I try to be respectful also but I know the history of the church. And I’ve nothing against Catholics in general, or mormons,baptists, or anyone of any religious persuasion. I just think that any monolithic man made institution whether it be a church or a government- Nazis, Commies, whatever inevitably breeds the drunken corruption of power and hegemony over people. JMHO of course. And I think people lose their individuality and independent thinking in the midst of a mass of people being commanded by a single orator- Hitler’s Germany, these mega churches preaching cotton candy prosperity- tythe 10% and you’ll be materially blessed while I drive in my Jags and fly church owned jets, etc.

Allright. Doomy on a soapbox and its time to go. Fred I would join you down at 3 dollar, get into a loud politcal argument with you, and then we could beat the hell out of each other. But alas I got some work to do and some folks to call back. Doomy out.

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The thing you simply don’t understand Jay is that more and more people are thinking this way. Read and understand Obama’s policys and perhaps maybe you will understand.

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For a while I was thinking they needed zoning laws on how close an elementary school could be to a catholic church…

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Paul – 3:35

From the first seconds of The Big Bang till now the Universe has been steadly going to ever larger amounts of entropy. The window of opportunity for life to exist, while in the billions of years, will eventually cease as entropy increases. In about 10,000 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years, entropy will be complete as the universe will be unable to become more disordered.

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I just believe that a dollar in the private sector whether in the hands of an individual or an employer is far more efficiently spent than by a bureaucrat in govt.

That might be the case, or it might not. Right now, the private sector is not doing what you claim they do so well, and it’s not due to a lack of capital.

Now, this is where you respond with the regulation stuff …

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I see this article some misleading. He did not compare Stalin and Hitler to Obama. He basically stated we survived A so we will survive B. I did not see anything saying A is like B.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzsOYtGNHtk

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Yeah, I hate extremist preachers…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seo0yAxlpHo

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2 Black guys are suing ‘The Bachelor’ for being racist b/c they were passed over and there’s never been a black bachelor. There’s a Black Miss America, BET, etc. Go make a ‘Black Bachelor’ and stfu. So stupid.

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Recon — “Adam, they were killing in the name of communism and atheism is a part of that political ideology.”

No, it’s not. Communism is an *economic* system, not a political one. Totalitarianism, which may be what you’re thinking of, often employs a ‘cult of personality’ in order to help keep the masses in line, but there are examples of religious totalitarianism in history. The Jonestown Massacre would be a good place to start, and if that’s not troubling enough for you, read up on the recent history (last 20 years or so) of Rwanda.

Atheism is *rarely* an explicit or official part of any governmental system.

“The other I referenced kills in the name of Islam.”

Which is a theistic religion. WTF?

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carlosgvv

I dunno about that. Seems to me the Big Bang hit, matter goes flying outward, and somehow instead of going to expanding disorganization we experienced matter coalescing, planets forming, life appearing, evolution occurring resulting in increasing specialization, differentiation.. organs and plants and cells moving away from entropy towards some pretty spectacular organization.

I think sometimes people get bogged down in their simplistic definitions of “God” and what some followers have done and hang everything on their limited understanding.

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Yum Yum @ 3:52

I’m with you 100%

With that said why no post from the late Jerry Fawell? at one time he had much more sway with conservatives who vote Repub than Wright has ever had in the Democratic Party

Don’t forget Pat Robertson: Didn’t he run for the Republican nomination?

If you need quotes from them……. let me know, otherwise they can be found via Google, yahoo, bing, etc

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Oh come on Joe you’re smarter than that, of course communism is a political system the economic component has been a failure, which is why communist China has abandoned it. That’s why you have a communist party controlled by the ruling class in communist countries.

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Aquagirl, are you the one who came up with the “Commander McBunnypants” moniker for Bush for him “Mission Accomplished” outfit?

I so totally WISH I could take the credit for that one.

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Aquagirl

Seriously, why would anyone want to display such a degree of ignorance about military flight suits and survival gear?

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Recon — “Adam, call it what you wish but those I referenced with the obvious exception of Islam practice atheism.”

No. Here are a couple of nuggets for you to start with; they directly refute one of your claims.

“Cheondoism has become increasingly popular in both South Korea with the revival of Korean nationalism, and particularly in North Korea, where, according to government’s statistics, it is the major religion of the country, followed by 12% of the total population.” (emphasis mine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheondoism

“Religions: nonreligious 55.6%, atheist 15.6%, traditional beliefs 12.3%, Ch’ondogyo (Religion of the Heavenly Way) 12.9%, Christian 2.1%, Buddhist 1.5% (2000)”

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Korea_North.htm

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It is truly staffering that this dufus said, “The Church survived Nazism…”

Survived, hell!

It helped the Nazis!

Adolf Hitler became chancellor on January 30, 1933. On March 23 he addressed the Reichstag, in the course of which he acknowledged Christian belief as the “unshakeable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people”. Cardinal Bertram, on March 28, announced that the bishops had dropped their prohibitions against Nazi membership. The bishops’ decision opened the way for a Concordat between the Holy See and Hitler’s government. The Concordat was signed on July 20, 1933.

1941 through 1945 – The “Final Solution” takes place in Nazi-occupied Europe. This Holocaust, the killing of some six million Jews, “happened in the ‘heartland’ of Western Christian Europe… It happened with the passive acquiescence or active collaboration of most European Christians, and no decisive protest from church leadership, Catholic or protestant.”

Someone tell the twisted bishop to quit spitting on us Jews by comparing President Obama to his organization…

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They BOTH Suck,

Anytime you can show me where Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter of any other past president’s spent years listening to a preacher spew hate from the pulpit I’ll be glad to do a search on Google, yahoo, bing, etc.

Otherwise, all I hear from you is blah, blah, blah, blah…

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“Well, that’s a shame, because I’d be pleased to help you out.”

Joe, before you can help me out or anyone else you’ll have to help yourself first. Now it wasn’t my intent to suggest that all atheists are communists or to condemn atheism even though it is contrary to my beliefs I merely pointed out that communists are religious non-believers. I intended no offense to your belief as I believe that we’re all free to make our own choices.

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There goes JamVet again, on his delusional quest to persecute Christians and somehow change history so that Hitler supported Christianity.

Dude is off his rocker, time to take your meds.

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yum yum

blather all you like……..

Fawell and Robertson have had and have more influence on the Republican Party than Wright EVER had or has within the Democrat Party

We wont even talk about Dobson………….or whatever his name is

You being so close minded cant even see the tree in your eye no matter what the facts are……..

I live on a two way street……. How bout you?

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To tell you how long Dick Clark was around, he had an episode of “This Is Your Life” dedicated to him in 1959.

https://plus.google.com/114533730002435254466/posts/AshXhyrd22L

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the swastika is the cross
in motion…

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Im an atheist. And certainly not a communist.

Just cause I don’t believe in a white bearded guy who lives in the clouds on lollypop lane or any other nonsense religious people believe doesn’t make someone a communist.

In fact I would argue the opposite. In a free society like America we are protected from Religion.

10 percent of Americans are Atheists. Ill bet the number is closer to 1 in 4.

Alot of people don’t believe in God but wouldn’t admit it over the phone or in public etc.

Its the fastest growing ” religion ” in the US and I’m all for it.

Its time to move on to Science and reason and away from old superstitions and hokus pokus.

When there is lightning it isn’t Zeus. Its a static discharge in our atmosphere.

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That maybe the dumbest thing ive ever read.

Grits–As a lover of Science, I can find no fault with ME’s statement, other than her supposition that there has to be an embodied Creator. As convenient as human logic is, it doesn’t begin to explain the Great Mystery of our existence. Intelligent people recognize that fact.

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Joe, you’re not going to refute much with Wiki references. Did you know that South Korea has surpassed the United States in the percentage of practicing Christians and you say, so what. That’s kind of what I’m saying about your nugget. What your Wiki link is talking about is a form of Confucianism.

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“We have never held that an individual’s religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the state is free to regulate.” Scalia in Smith.

The Smith case does not apply to the current HHS cases now in the federal court system; Ave Maria University v. Sebelius, EWTN v. Sebelius, Colorado Christian University v. Sebelius and Belmont Abbey College v. Sebelius.

The Smith case upheld a law prohibiting the consumption of a drug declared illegal by government.
The cases now proceeding challenge an administrative ruling by HHS to require individual members of certain religions to do certain acts considered repugnant to that religion. There is no challenge to an existing law. They challenge an administrative decision by HHS that has granted exceptions to the decision to other institutions.

The hope for the christian churches is the Hosanna-Tabor case from Oct 2011 that held 9-0 that an administrative decision by the EEOC could not override a church’s constitutional right to free exercise in the selection of its own ministers.

This is not an easy dilemma to resolve constitutionally. The Court has ““never held that an individual’s religious beliefs excuse him from complying with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that a State is free to regulate. To do otherwise would “permit every citizen to become a law unto himself.”

The 1st Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

Christianity has always taught that one’s religion does not stop when one exits the church. Indeed, christianity teaches one’s religion should be practiced daily outside the church building. The HHS ruling prohibits the free exercise of religion outside the church building.

If the various Christian churches lose this constitutional fight they are left with the choice of dropping insurance for employees, closing those religious institutions that employee people or allowing the government to decide what a religion must teach to its believers.

In these particular cases the Catholic Church has taught that contraception and abortiion are sins from day one, some 1979 years. We now have the HHS deciding that no matter what churches teach, government has an overriding interest in making them provide contraceptives and aborticants
to their employees free of charge.

It will be interesting.

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Pass the Cheese

“There is more mystery in the universe than we can conceive. All is not logic. “God is love.”

“That maybe the dumbest thing ive ever read.”

The idea one thinks he can conceive all the mysteries of the universe sounds like one of the most arrogant -

So…. care to explain the mysteries of the universe to us?

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Yum Yum

This just for you

http://www.uaff.us/bush_moon.htm

There are a few with Nixon and Reagan as well

let me know if you would like to see more pic of your heroes hanging out with a cult leader named Reverend Moon

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They BOTH suck:

How about Sharpton and Jackson.. The king race hustlers of our time… They have much influence over the dems….

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I wanna know what kind of dog Obama ate…..

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“The love fest among the liberal regulars here and hate they spew is just too much for me to stomach.”

take care and be safe

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Organized religion is the only entity where all manner of ridiculous proclamations and falsehoods demand a protective wall be erected to shield it form serious inquiry.

Corey–You seem to be forgetting Anthropogenic Global Warming. Try raising any reasonable objections to the computer models used to drive this pseudo-science, and you’ll be charged with heresy by the Libs here.

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Aquagirl

“And to do it for a lame photo-op that would land in the history books as a classic example of idiotic hubris?”

Leave the goalposts alone!

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The idea one thinks he can conceive all the mysteries of the universe sounds like one of the most arrogant –

Why ? Its just the natural world.

Scientist are discovering new things about the Universe everyday ….

and there isn’t a bible anywhere near them.

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Corey–You seem to be forgetting Anthropogenic Global Warming. Try raising any reasonable objections to the computer models used to drive this pseudo-science, and you’ll be charged with heresy by the Libs here.

As you should be.

Climate change is an almost universally accepted fact by Scientists.

To think man has been spewing things into the atmospheres for hundreds of years now and that has had no effect whatsoever is pretty naive.

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That so-called bishop would do well to learn from the errors of his ways. He could always start with one of those confessionals and ask to be forgiven for his blatant lies for starters. Then again, I do recall other so-called men of the cloth attacking President Obama in the past so it’s not as though this is a one-time event. If what those people practice is what religion was meant to be or do, I want no part of it.

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T. Head — “somehow change history so that Hitler supported Christianity.”

It’s a matter of historical record that Hitler’s statements about religion and atheism were all over the map. The one thing that can truthfully be said about Hitler with respect to his views religion and atheism is that his actual views will probably never be known.

Personally, I think his publicly-expressed views were more a matter of manipulating the German people than anything else, and that instead of being atheist, Hitler was probably just using religion and religious expression as a tool.

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“It’s a joy really because they are too stupid to have a real intellectual conversation… They can only attack you personally because that’s all they got…”

How ironic……. calling people “stupid” as you accuse them of attacking someone personally

hahahahahaa

You are a funny dude

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“I wanna know what kind of dog Obama ate…”

He just ate them, not like he put them on top of his car. Give him a break.

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Have to go pick up my daughter and take her to church. Y’all behave and if you can’t I’ll be back later to hear your confession. out

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What if Obama has not done his job and let more 911 attacks happen in this country, I wonder would these right wing extremist priest feel the same? amazing how these so called loving America right wing have forgot about their President security allow over 3500 dead Americans in Ny.

I wonder would they have forgiven Obama if he had allowed that to happen under his watch? the idea that a person of color could stable this country is still scary to these 1952 neo brain idiots who are still scared of the 21st century.

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Joseph April 18th, 2012 4:24 pm I wanna know what kind of dog Obama ate…..

I would hope it would be “with sauce”

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Right B @4:25, because god knows (get it?!), anthropogenic climate change has had no serious inquiry!

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Raised Chicago Irish Catholic…..seen the best of it and the worst.

Here’s a little something from him:

MOST REV. DANIEL R. JENKY, C.S.C.

OFFICE OF THE BISHOP

DIOCESE OF PEORIA OFFICE OF THE BISHOP

607 N.E. MADISON AVENUE

PEORIA, ILLINOIS 61603

PHONE: 309-671-1564

FAX: 309-671-5079

February 7-8, 2009

Dear Priests, Deacons, Religious and Faithful of the Diocese of Peoria,

My greatest responsibility as your bishop is to preach the Gospel, celebrate the Sacraments, and to try my best to be a good shepherd for this local church. The saddest part of my ministry has been to deal with our part of the immense societal issue of sexual misconduct with minors. Where there have been credible accusations made against individuals and with the advice of my Review Commission, I have not hesitated to remove them from all active ministry. I have also tried to attentively follow the charter adopted by the American bishops that deals in a comprehensive manner with this painful subject. I have not discovered any evidence in this Diocese that priests guilty of misconduct were ever moved from assignment to assignment. Our Diocese normally offers counseling to victims rather than paying out large cash settlements. Not every allegation has been found to be credible by our Review Commission, and so our Diocese resists supporting those claims that simply cannot be sustained by the facts. I take very seriously my responsibility to protect all the children entrusted to our care, and I am absolutely convinced that today the programs of our Church now provide the safest possible environment in America for your children.

In these perilous economic times, I will work to be a prudent steward of the money you offer for the work of Christ. Attorneys representing some claimants and some “victims groups” obviously have a significant financial stake in trying to overturn our Diocesan policies. Recent decisions in the Illinois courts may make our legal situation even more difficult in the future. It should be noted that the sexual abuse of minors cuts across all socio-economic lines, ethnicities, ministries, and religions. It is important to remember that the State basically exempts its own institutions from civil litigation. Amid all the tensions of our nation’s culture wars and in the face of the media’s intense hatred for our Catholic Faith, I am increasingly concerned that our Church in effect no longer enjoys equal justice under the law. I will not be intimidated by choreographed demonstrations or the abuse that is sometimes personally directed against me. I remain immensely proud of the zealous and holy priesthood of our Diocese. May God guide and protect his Holy Church and bless us all in his service.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Most Reverend Daniel R. Jenky, C.S.C.
BISHOP OF PEORIA

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(ir)Rational, if you’re around —

Blue Lions — 1
Barça ———– 0

Thank you Lio Messi for giving the ball away to Lamps so he could send it down field setting up Drogba’s goal.

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Afternoon, Granny

Interesting post. Thanks. Don’t think it will do much to change the minds of those who stopped acquiring knowledge on the subject about ten years ago, though -

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Paul

The idea is that the four fundamental forces of nature, gravity, the strong force, the weak force and electromagnetism were one force before the big bang. That is the ultimate order. In the first moments of the big bang, these forces split and entropy began.

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Joseph, the same question for you that I asked Union early today (And whaddya know? Nary a peep in return!)

You have a very high opinion of your intelligence, relative to unspecified other people here.

What is your IQ?

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God is allowing the
destruction of the
Earth by AGW as his
way of averting his
Contract to not
destroy the earth
again as marked by
the rainbow also
known as the arc
of the covenant.

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AMEN!!! What a fantastic homily – the Catholic Church needs more good Bishops like him!! I pray we hear much more from him, and similar homilies from priests in his diocese. It’s about time!!

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Truly sad how politics has infected the churches. The last church I frequented became so political on the pulpit the sermons sounded like campaign speeches. Congrgation members were more obsessed with their “standing” in the church and how they were viewed by other members that they forgot why they were supposed to be there. It’s depressing to see people regress; they box themselves into this shelter of ignorance and basically refuse to ever grow and evolve mentally. This is especially annoying when they get up on the high horse and tell the rest of us what pieces of crap we are, bless our hearts. I’m good with God. I try hard to be fair to all and try hard not to judge others. Basically I try to live like Jesus would have wanted me to. Religion, on the other hand, has nothing to do with christian behaviour imo. Christ would have condemned many of the most-religious people I know of

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Carlos,

Brian Cox…the rock star of all that is considered physics…here’s a great excerpt from a denier and one familar with the dashing Mr Cox’s whimiscal support of this ridiculous theory…

Global warming isn’t just the best funding wheeze they’ve hit upon since the Cold War. It’s also a repository for all the green, middle class anti-capitalist prejudices which are part and parcel of the Western intellectual worldview.

Sound familiar? Keep clutching…just because you and your pal Brian Cox say it’s so, you will find many…more than many, think it’s arrogant to suppose we minute temporary occupants can effect such a pending catastrophy…

If it’s such great science, why is solid data only 200 years old and why aren’t any of your idols working as hard to prove themselves wrong which is standard scientfic form…they know where the money is daddio!!!

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“Who walks in the classroom, cool and slow
Who calls the English teacher, Daddy-O”
– Thomas Jefferson

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Paul – 4:55

No one knows how the one force occured, yet. But consider. Suppose science was able to prove there really is a God. Which God would it be, the Christian one, the Jewish one, the Islamic one or the Gods of the Hindus. Or, maybe, some unknown one. It would be one thing to prove God. It would be quite another thing to prove which one.

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carlosgvv

A fellow I’ve referenced before – bright guy, dual doctorates, chair of a UC department, worked on the space program, at the Jung Institute, retired and became a Unity minister. They usually use a phrase like “Infinite Mind” rather than God. Anyhow, he liked to say that God is generic, churches (or in your example, various faith traditions) are brand names.

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The POTUS takes an oath of office and is sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States. He did not swear to uphold the catholic faith or any other faith. None of the millions of catholic parishioners have ever taken an oath to uphold the catholic faith [assuming one even understands what that means].

Our constitution mandates that all citizens be treated fairly and equitably under the law. That includes women citizens. The US government cannot allow discrimination against women from a church related entity, like a college or university or a hospital, that accepts taxpayer money and who engages in commerce, to discriminate against women. To do so would be a violation of women’s rights and therefore illegal. The US government is not harming the church or church schools in any way as they are protected by rulings from the SCOTUS.

All this bather about freedom of religion from the unmarried, supposedly celibate, priest who have taken a vow of poverty and have ancient ideas about women and their rights is just hot air. No one is harming the church or its schools. Discrimination against women is not legal, even when done by the church; and probably not even christian.

As far as hospitals and universities are concerned, then these entities need to stop engaging in commerce and competition for customers with other like institutions. The catholic church needs to stop asking the government to give it money for tuition, medicare and medicade reimbursement for medical services and stop applying for grants of money for social services to various groups in our communities. Asking for “exemptions” so their social workers can lie to clients, by withholding relevant and legally permissible information is lying and lying is against the commandments and against the professional obligations and ethics of licensed healthcare providers in most fields of endeavor.

No one is hurting the church. If the church wants GOVERNMENT MONEY, then it must comply with government rules and regulations on the money and how it is used and what it tells its clients.
Otherwise, the church can use PRIVATE MONEY to funds its colleges, hospitals, church schools and social service programs.

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JamVet
April 18th, 2012
2:33 pm

Union, you have a very high estimation of your intelligence, relative to unspecified others here

What is your IQ?

as with taxes.. i imagine in a higher percentile

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Paul, I like that.

Infinite Mind, the Cosmic Energy, etc.

But as a supernatural source of our ethos and supposed salvation?

Piffle.

And as George Carlin notes, he does some real crappy work!

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of sh*t you’d expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would’ve been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say “this guy”, because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

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Get your religion out of my politics cons.

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Bruno – 4:07

If that is “gobbledegook” to you then your ignorance of science shows how sorry your education, such as it was, did nothing to really educate you.

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getalife- Get your religion out of my politics cons.

feel free to move anytime. Maybe you could go to a “good” country, not an embarrasment like the one you and the president seem to think we live in.

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i imagine in a higher percentile.

Imaginary, self-proclaimed high intelligence.

No facts, no data, no tests required.

Love it.

Carlin continued…

So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he’s at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn’t give a sh*t, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

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…hey, o great omniscent one, they’re all the SAME G-d…

Which one would that be?

The Father?
The Son?
The Holy Ghost?

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JamVet

I rather think somewhere Infinite Mind was doing a version of chuckling -

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KAMCHAK

The Christians see G-d, as I understand it, as composed of three aspects, all in unity being the -ne, the Muslims and Jews view the same G-d as having a single nature, but still the -ne…To my understanding the three you name are NOT separate G-ds…

Would a Christian care to go farther into this? It is not my religion.

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Lets all get disabused of the notion that the HHS mandate regarding covering contraceptives is something new – because it isn’t.

In 1970 then Congressman George H.W. Bush he urged Congress to pass Title X. Regarding contraceptives he said: ““We need to take sensationalism out of this topic so that it can no longer be used by militants who have no real knowledge of the voluntary nature of the program but, rather, are using it as a political stepping stone,” said George H.W. Bush. “If family planning is anything, it is a public health matter.” Title X, the law he sponsored that still funds family planning for the poor, passed the House by a vote of 298 to 32. It passed the Senate unanimously. A Republican president, Richard Nixon, signed it.

In 1978, Congress passed the Pregnancy Discrimination Act, forbidding employers to discriminate against women due to pregnancy or the ability to become pregnant. Based on this law, in 2000, the EEOC added a regulation that required employers who offered prescription drug benefits to include contraceptives in the benefits. George W. Bush never changed the ruling in the 8 years of his presidency.

Since 1970, 26-28 states passed state legislation requiring insurers to include contraceptives in the prescription drug benefits sold in their states. By last year, 98% of individuals and families who had health insurance through an employer had coverage of contraceptives (Kaiser Family Foundation). Is it any wonder that poll after poll has shown that contraceptives are used by 90%-98% of all women at some time during their child bearing years, that funding of Planned Parenthood is supported by over 60% of voters?

Use of contraceptives is probably more widespread than use of over-the-counter-pain killers on any given day in the U.S. And contraceptives are used not only to plan the size and timing of our children in our families, they are used by women to address serious health care conditions, such as ovarian cysts or endometriosis.

President Obama’s action in including contraceptives in the health insurance mandates reflected current federal law, the law of most states, the actual importance of contraceptives to families today, and the recommendation of medical societies who were asked to give input to the design of a national health care program.

You can argue about the Affordable Care Act providing contraceptives at no cost. But you can’t argue that including contraceptives is new or unexpected or unreasonable given its exceedingly widespread use among U.S. families and among women to address health care needs.

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To my understanding the three you name are NOT separate G-ds…

That’s pretty much the way I was trained by the church to see it also.

Yet they are three separate entities.

One of the many mysteries of a supposed “mono-theistic” religion.

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Nothing like our Catholic leaders setting examples to our youth, by bashing the President of the United States and comparing him to hitler, satlin, yep these are truly Americans who love this country.

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K’Chak
It’s a funny thing, not being a Christian, but I’ve p’o'd many a rabbi with my saying I have no real problem with the trinitarian concept, if we are to accept that we are created in the image of G-d…as mankind, we are the product of that something above it all, that came before and is something of a Hairy Thunderer (I’ll forego the leaving out of the vowels on that one!) judging all -e put into motion, then there is G-d the physical being of flesh, the Christ if you will, and then there is that etheral beingness the spiritual nature of what it is we are trying to comprehend. Of course, I’m a heretic by most traditionalists’ definition. Which, imuo, is a good thing…

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PAUL

HAve a good one…but I’m not sure I’m going near ZamVet today…he’s on the rag seems to me…

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In other news

This just in: wall street making record profits despite being on life support when Obama took office:
CEO’s are hiring and making record profits despite the economy was on life support when Obama took office.
Americans are flying on airlines with confidents despite the different codes and alerts when Obama took office.
Banks are lending again, despite banks refuse to lend when Obama took office.
Auto industry is booming again despite when Obama took office they were left for dead.
bin ladin is not making videos anymore thanks to the orders of President Obama.

To the racist Priest you should be thanking God for President Obama”””’

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If that is “gobbledegook” to you then your ignorance of science shows how sorry your education, such as it was, did nothing to really educate you.

Carlos–I’ll gladly stack my scientific education against yours any day.

The bottom line, however, is that the MOST important thing we can know is what we DON’T know. For you to portray theoretical Physics as some kind of settled science reveals not only tremendous ignorance on your own part, but also reveals a faith bordering on fanaticism in people who use big words.

If you will look at the NASA site put up by Grits, for example, you will see that two very different scenarios are presented for the end of the Universe:

“What is the Fate of the Universe?

Cosmologists envision two possible fates for the Universe: The Big Freeze or the Big Crunch. The evolution of the Universe is determined by a struggle between the outward momentum of expansion and the inward pull of gravity. The strength of gravity depends on the density of the Universe. If the density of the Universe is less than the critical density, then the Universe will expand forever. If the density of the Universe is greater than the critical density, then gravity will eventually win, and the Universe will collapse back on itself.”

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JamVet
April 18th, 2012
5:56 pm

And then you then ballerina off onto some bizarre BHO screed as a way of deflecting away from the fact that you lack of facts while deriding liberals who don’t care about facts.

Got it…

did you even know what all those big words meant when you did your google search?

my “ballerina off onto some bizarre BHO screed” as you put it.. was in itself a factual statement.. yet to be negated..

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JKL — “feel free to move anytime.”

No. I think I’ll stay here, make you uncomfortable and push back.

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ion — “Obama is knee deep in prostitutes”

Lucky SOB.

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Kam: what about this ole school fav?

“At the cross, at the cross where I first saw the light,
And the burden of my heart rolled away,
It was there by faith I received my sight,
And now I am happy all the day!”

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BOTH, K’CHAK

Speaking of the lines from gospel songs…one of my fav’s is from “Cabin in the Corner of Gloryland..
“…Where I can hear the angels and shake Jesus’ hand…”

I kinda like the idea of a Christ who you’d meet and shake his hand…

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Doggone

Ooooohhh…you sure you and I weren’t twitting the same rabbis?

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Jesus is on planet Kolob.

Just ask willard.

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Union, yep, knew how to spell them big fancy liberal words too! Even the Latin ones.

When it comes to bullsh*t, big-time, major league bullsh*t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh*t story ever told.

But He loves you! He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh*t story. Holy Sh*t!

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BRUNO

Since you’re here, relative to some of our discussions SE…that young rabbi from back when I was in college used to write “-=mc2″

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BOTH

I like that one…it’s a real long story of cross cultural misunderstanding which we witnessed once at a Hardy’s in Evergreen, Alabama…but when it was “put in perspective,” the song on the radio in the background for it all was “I wanna see Jesus on the Midnight Special…”

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“Of all the services that I have been preached at, not one person ever took that interpretation.”

Interpretation? That’s what is SAYS: “3 “You shall have no other gods before me.”

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josef @ 6:47

Good commentary……… I like that

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That young rabbi I mentioned in my post to Bruno discussed this. He made the point that in most translations it says “The L-rd thy G-d is A jealous G-d…” pointing out that the modern languages addition of the indefinite article clarifies the point that this particular fellow recognizes that -e is but one of the many, but a jealous one that it’s best you don’t mess lightly with…thus, the rest of the commandment…

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As I said, he has exposed himself as a fool.

The true fools are those who, in spite of clear moral decency and scientific fact, have fostered and enabled a culture of abortion to flourish. 55 million killed in the womb since Roe v Wade–the vast majority as a matter of convenience–and Bookman has a problem with the good priest’s analogies. Just as with slavery and the Holocaust, history, among other things, will not be kind to those who directly participated in, or enabled the butchers of the womb to perform and prosper.

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Boring and predictable Jay poutrage

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Before Hitler opened his concentration camps, and before Stalin’s campaigns of starvation against farmers, each despot attacked the most relevant moral authority in the country, the Church. Obama has certainly declared his war against the Church, Rather than outrage at the analogy, a temperate mind would merely assert that the analogies are premature.

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“Obama has certainly declared his war against the Church”

got proof?

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TGT

What did the Founding Fathers have to say or exactly what did they implement to stop abortion?

There were abortions at that time……… you do know that, right?

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“Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler”–Jay Bookman

Well Obama does play the Wealth Envy and Class Warfare game as Comrade Stalin did…

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Dick Clark R.I.P. How many on here remember American Bandstand?

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“Heroic Catholics”….just like the ones that watched their neighbors butchered by the Nazis…and said nothing…offered no help…and with the Pope’s compliance, in accord with his agreement with Hitler to stay neutral concerning his butchery, wouldn’t even offer asylum in the churches. How dare he compare our President to Hitler when his church’s history is as a accomplice of Hitler and his ‘final solution’.

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Dick Clark R.I.P. How many on here remember American Bandstand?

Me—watching a black & white TV after school—I think it was my second year in the fourth grade.

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Before Hitler opened his concentration camps, [he} attacked the most relevant moral authority in the country, the Church.

Historically, factually incorrect claptrap.

Adolf Hitler became chancellor on January 30, 1933. On March 23 he addressed the Reichstag, in the course of which he acknowledged Christian belief as the “unshakeable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people”. Cardinal Bertram, on March 28, announced that the bishops had dropped their prohibitions against Nazi membership. The bishops’ decision opened the way for a Concordat between the Holy See and Hitler’s government. The Concordat was signed on July 20, 1933.

With the sole exception of the southern part of the state of Baden, Germany’s Catholic population, particularly in rural areas, barely withheld support from the Nazi Party until its takeover of power in 1933.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

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I don’t think the Bishop’s words are hysterical at all. Obama has overturned centuries of deferring to relgious convictions on issues like this and hopes to just skate away from any responsiblity. His exaltation of the power and the “morality” of the state does remind me both both Hitler and Stalin.
The shoe fits.

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DDR

Some of my favs, too…I love that Clooney one, sing it often whenever the Unmentionable takes to making his list of what needs fixin’

On Amazing Grace:

John Newton wrote the words from personal experience. He grew up without any particular religious conviction but his life’s path was formed by a variety of twists and coincidences that were often put into motion by his recalcitrant insubordination. He was pressed into the Royal Navy and became a sailor, eventually participating in the slave trade. One night a terrible storm battered his vessel so severely that he became frightened enough to call out to God for mercy, a moment that marked the beginning of his spiritual conversion. His career in slave trading lasted a few years more until he quit going to sea altogether and began studying theology

Hank did write “I Saw the Light…”

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“Boring and predictable Jay poutrage”

Jm, I think you know that this topic only serves as a diversion from the bad news piling up on Obama. Jay’s trying to be a good soldier for the left.

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Dear JamVet, are you the loopy AmVet I crossed off my response list? As usual you avoid the truth in your post at 7:18:

What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the ‘National Reich Church’ drawn up during the war by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan…

“The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be national churches of the German Reich.

“The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably…the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800…

“The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

“The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…’”

“On the altars there must be nothing but ‘Mein Kampf’ (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

“On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels…and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.”

(The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William L. Shirer, p. 240 in some editions, p. 332 in others. Chapter headed “Triumph and Consolidation”, subsection “The Persecution of the Christian Churches”)

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Headline (AJC): “3 agents out in wake of Secret Service scandal”

And there will probably be more.

It’s a shame we can’t get rid of politicians that easy.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/3-agents-out-in-1421560.html

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“Lack of intelligence is no excuse, son”

But lack of proof is self-evident

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watching a black & white TV after school—I think it was my second year in the fourth grade.

See what happens when your child is exposed to the demonic influence of Rock ‘n Roll? They end up driving a beer truck.

Parents, take note.

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To Jay’s point at 7:14., it is pathetic that this disgusting Bishop says the church survived the Nazis, when in many cases they actually collaborated with them

The concordat [a treaty] has been described as giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, having placed constraints on Catholics critical of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to the policies of the Nazis.

And why our godly Christians types here are in a hurry to move on (dot org) away from this topic…

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JAY

You’d be wrong. Black transvestites come from Venus, don’t they…REAL men are from Mars and don’t eat quiche, canine or Lorraine…

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JamVet:

I have said this before but here it is again.

Being a Christian is not like joining a club and you’re automatically in.

It is a spiritual matter of the heart and only the person and God knows for sure.

Simply “calling” oneself a Christian does not a Christian make.

Therefore ………….. we have terrible things done by Christians and in the name of Christianity over the centuries.

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Whoops, correction on my last…voting block not blog.

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This is the third con today who has commented about how stupid someone/everyone else is.

And between the three of them, I’m not convinced they could pass an open book eight grade test. Pick a subject, any subject…

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” it’s more fun for them to bash Christians ”

If you pay REALLY, REALLY close attention you’ll find that most, if not all, of the “bashing” is of those who SAY their Christians, but who don’t ACT like they are.

As is said: actions speak louder than words…or if you want it closer to home, “don’t tell me your a Christian, SHOW me”

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JAY

Lemme put it to you this way, I ain’t checkin’ to find out!

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Josef: Many Catholics gave their lives sheltering their persecuted neighbors…the Church may have been silent, but not all of its congregants were…

I think his point was that those that SPEAK for and make POLICIES for the catholic church were abysmally silent. And the act that speaks VOLUMES was their silence when Mussolini was running rampant in Italy and the atrocities HE did.

IMO, they didn’t want Rome to take back their rights to the Vatican.

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“I’m not in position to argue, of course, but ….”

Oh, Oh, is Jay inviting a finish the sentence game?

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See what happens when your child is exposed to the demonic influence of Rock ‘n Roll? They end up driving a beer truck.

Hey, Aquagirl, I can find out where you live.

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Recon

Saddam Hussein

Compared to some ME countries Saddam left many Christians alone…….

His “bread and butter” was to go after the Shi’a and Kurds

If I’m not mistaken, Christians have been persecuted at much higher rate since his demise

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When Hugo Chavez complained of smelling sulfur at the UN following Bush’s speech, the left had a big guffaw.

Black churches have had sermons like this opposing the GOP since forever. They compare the GOP to the KKK; where is the outrage? Oh, I forgot, that is funny, right there, hah.

Although this Catholic bishop was wrong to overstate his case, precedent exists. It is not something to be surprised at.

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BADA:

There are a few weiner dog eaters on here.

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Recon

My apologies……. I misread your post at 7:36

Disregard my reply at 7:48..

Sorry about that

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0311, I left you a Scooby Snack last week. I’m not sure if you saw it or not, but since this is the first time I’ve seen you since then, here you go.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/04/11/tailgunner-al-west-theres-commies-in-the-house/?cp=7#comment-922704

All be well and drive safely. I’m out.

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Kayaker

If that offends you and Romney is doing the same……. who will you be voting for in November?

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-17/romney-commercial-contrast-shows-effort-to-hold-base-and-court-hispanics

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He must be the first presidential candidate to do this. What does this say to you, liberals?

It says to me that you are a tool and even a cursory check would’ve turned up connection in the 00 and 04 presidential campaigns with speeches and ads in Spanish.

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Maybe Romney put the dog on top of the car to tenderize it.

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TBS, Hussein was a secular dictator who tolerated nothing that represented a threat to his regime. If Christians got in the way perceived or otherwise they were dead. If Shi’a Muslims or Sunni Muslims got in the way they were dead along with the Kurds where many died because of the use of WMD’s. Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator and contrary to the opinions of some a serious threat to the free world. He’s better off dead and gone.

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