Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler
This is quite a hysterical screed, and by hysterical I do not mean that it is funny. It is not funny in the least.
It is hysterical because is driven by hysteria. It is also historically ignorant and irresponsible.
The speaker is Bishop Daniel R. Jenky, head of a Catholic diocese in Illinois. Here’s what he had to say during a weekend Mass:
“The Church survived barbarian invasions. The Church survived wave after wave of Jihads. The Church survived the age of revolution. The Church survived Nazism and Communism. And in the power of the resurrection, the Church will survive the hatred of Hollywood, the malice of the media, and the mendacious wickedness of the abortion industry.
The Church will survive the entrenched corruption and sheer incompetence of our Illinois state government, and even the calculated disdain of the president of the United States, his appointed bureaucrats in HHS, and of the current majority of the federal Senate.
May God have mercy especially on the souls of those politicians who pretend to be Catholic in church, but in their public lives, rather like Judas Iscariot, betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.
As Christians we must love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us, but as Christians we must also stand up for what we believe and be ready to fight to defend our faith. The days in which we live now require heroic Catholicism, not casual Catholicism. We can no longer be Catholics by accident, but instead be Catholics by conviction.
In our own families, in our parishes, where we live and where we work – like that very first apostolic generation – we must be bold witnesses to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. We must be a fearless army of Catholic men, ready to give everything we have for the Lord, who gave everything for our salvation.
Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches like those first disciples before the Resurrection locked together in the Upper Room.
In the late 19th century, Bismark waged his “Kulturkamf,” a culture war against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany. Clemenceau, nicknamed “the priest eater,” tried the same thing in France in the first decade of the 20th Century.
Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services, and health care.
In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, President Obama – with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path.
Now things have come to such a pass in our beloved country that this is a battle that we could lose, but before the awesome judgment seat of Almighty God this is not a battle where any believing Catholic may remain neutral.”
I was raised to believe that religious leaders deserve a great deal of respect and even deference, and I hope I have raised my children with those same values. Jenky, however, deserves neither respect nor deference, because he is talking like a fool.
After all, only a fool would try to equate insurance coverage for contraception to the brutalities that were inflicted upon tens of millions of people by the likes of Stalin and Hitler. The bishop’s comments are deeply insulting and disrespectful, less to President Obama than to the many victims of the tyrants to whom Jenky attempts to link him. His comparison trivializes true human horror.
St. Peter, after all, was crucified upside down by the Romans, who also fed Christians to the lions. Hitler attempted the physical eradication of an entire religious tradition. Stalin starved millions to death in an attempt to force them to worship the state rather than a God of their own choosing.
And “President Obama, with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path”?
The suggestion is obscene.
(Given the bishop’s claims, it is also relevant to point out that the Catholic Church did not fight heroically against the evils of Naziism. To a large degree, it legitimized, collaborated and cooperated with it. While individual clerics of conscience sometimes spoke and acted with heroism, the church as an institution did not. It stood in silent acceptance of the murder of Jews and voluntarily surrendered its moral credibility. By that behavior, it did no worse than many other human institutions in that time and place. But it also did no better.)
While Jenky has seemed to abandon all sense of proportion, it’s important to keep in mind what’s really at issue here. The administration does not propose and has never proposed that the Catholic Church or other religious groups be forced to provide insurance coverage for contraception to their staff. Church staff members are expressly excluded from such a mandate out of respect for religious liberty.
The law does, however, require that church-affiliated institutions that perform secular functions in the secular world — schools, universities, hospitals, etc. — provide such coverage to their staff, many of whom are members of a different faith, just as every other provider of such services must do.
You would never know it from the hysteria offered by Jenky, but many Catholic-affiliated institutions have been offering contraceptive coverage to their secular staff for decades without controversy. For example, Georgetown University, which drew national attention through the Sandra Fluke controversy, is a Jesuit college that already offers contraception coverage to its faculty and staff, but not to its students. Many states, including Georgia, have also had similar laws on the books mandating such coverage for decades, again without controversy.
The administration proposal is also well within the constitutional confines established by the Supreme Court. As Justice Antonin Scalia, himself a stalwart Catholic, wrote in “Employment Division v. Smith” (1990):
“We have never held that an individual’s religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the state is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition.”
Jenky, on the other hand, argues that church law must take precedence over civil law even when the church is operating in the secular arena, and he seems eager to engage in battle to ensure that happens. He would apparently classify Scalia as just another Judas Iscariot, ready to “betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.”
As I said, he has exposed himself as a fool.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
April 18th, 2012
8:03 pm
Presidential candidates have been advertizing in Spanish language media since the elections of 1848 at least…many of them penning their own missives…
Jimmy62
April 18th, 2012
8:04 pm
If only you ever showed any upset about all the BusHitler signs from 2000-2008, I might actually care about what you have to say on the issue. But instead this just reveals what a partisan hypocrite you are.
Meg
April 18th, 2012
8:05 pm
Daniel Jenky is leader of the Diocese of Peoria, which is where I grew up. It’s been disconcerting to watch him swing further and further into the politics of Catholic conservatism over the past ten years. Unfortunately he seems to be much like his predecessor, John Myers; perhaps, like Myers, he has his eyes set on a archbishopric and must preach the fearmongering politics that gets you to those positions in today’s Catholic Church.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
8:05 pm
Recon
As you may or may not have noted, I apologized for misinterpreting your post.
As for Saddam, are the people of Iraq better off? yes
Was he a threat on the world scene? Well, we will just have to agree to disagree on that one
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
8:06 pm
josef @ 8:03
Some just want to ramble about nothing………… even when the candidate they will vote for is doing the same exact thing………..
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
8:07 pm
RafeH: Black churches have had sermons like this opposing the GOP since forever. They compare the GOP to the KKK; where is the outrage? Oh, I forgot, that is funny, right there, hah
Oh PuuhhLeaaazee!!! Why do people of your ilk ALWAYS pull that rabbit outta your hat? That’s your ONE! Everytime!! And then you use it like superglue and let it stick to everything whether it pertains to the subject or not!!
Black churches equate the GOP with the KKK because, drumroll please, it’s the GOP who are constantly trying to subvert Blacks rights!!! It’s the GOP, (think Lee At$$Water, Southern Strategy, Willie Horton, etc.); who conveniently paint blacks as the boogey man before every major election to get out the “White Vote”.
How else should one treat a political movement who systemically uses RACE and GENDER as a FEAR tactic for VOTES? If you look up KKK in the dictionary you’ll see a picture of a GOP candidate with a big smile, a flag pin, and a sign that says, “Welfare Reform”, (with some black woman with 3 kids in the picture); as if the ONLY people who receive Welfare are black.
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
8:08 pm
” the overreach of the administration and the federal government since he took office is unprecedented in American history. ”
Got proof?
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
8:09 pm
Jenky needs to be a guest on Limbaugh’s program.
The could discuss in great detail the nuances of Obama’s “extreme secularist agenda.”
I got real bad news for ya Bishop, if you want a theocracy, this ain’t the place…
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:11 pm
Short Bald Guy
Unprecedented? Do the Louisiana Purchase, the Removals, “a higher law than the Constitution,” ring a bell?
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
8:12 pm
TBS, I didn’t see anything you posted that offended me. No need to apologize.
Don't Tread
April 18th, 2012
8:15 pm
The Church survived barbarian invasions. The Church survived wave after wave of Jihads. The Church survived the age of revolution. The Church survived Nazism and Communism. And in the power of the resurrection, the Church will survive the hatred of Hollywood, the malice of the media, and the mendacious wickedness of the abortion industry.
But will the Church survive pedophilia? Funny, there’s no mention of that.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
8:15 pm
Recon
My reply to your post about the dictators was a misrepresentation based on a quick read. Didn’t want you tho think I was attempting to change the meaning of your post via my reply.
When I read your post a second time I figured I would reach back out because my reply made no sense in regards to what you had posted……..
Thanks
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
8:15 pm
josef, what are you doing at 8:11?
Specifics never trump slogans.
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:18 pm
ZamVet
Well, Paul did leave EOI in my hands (with respect to your input) this p.m.
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:20 pm
Don’t Tread…
Well, probably, it survived the di Medici’s,,,
JKL2
April 18th, 2012
8:21 pm
Meg- Daniel Jenky is leader of the Diocese of Peoria, which is where I grew up
I’m a north-sider myself(Mossville then 6800 University). Where you from?
Gator Joe
April 18th, 2012
8:21 pm
The Church, from the Inquisition, its behavior prior to and during WW2, the child abuse cover-ups to just name some of it’s unsavory history, has lost most of its credibility. Church leaders, beginning with the Pope should first practice some humility and self-appraisal, before condemning others. As a non-practicing Catholic, I have lost all faith in the Church.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
8:22 pm
There is something called free speech in America. What I hear or read that might be offensive to me may not be to someone else and vice versa. I’ve certainly heard worse diatribes directed toward government leaders on the opposite side of President Obama’s political position, so I have to wonder why this Catholic Bishops remarks deserve such outrage from the left.
TGT
April 18th, 2012
8:26 pm
TBS: We are talking about morality and what is right. Do you deny the massive increase in the number of abortions since Roe? And what does the willingness to adopt have to do with opposition to abortion? Would it be fair for me to threaten to murder my toddler unless my neighbor agrees to adopt him? As for your slavery stance, I take it that you’ve never owned one and I want to applaud you for that.
JKL2
April 18th, 2012
8:26 pm
jamvet- Jenky needs to be a guest on Limbaugh’s program.
Now if Rush would just start having guests…
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:26 pm
DEL
Because he put Obama in a comparative context with Hitler and Stalin, that’s why the outrage. And, yes, I get just as outraged when the left does it with Bush…
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
8:28 pm
TGT
Thank you
On the right for a women to have abortion, I agree with Roe v Wade….
You have your right to your position and on that we just have to agree to disagree….
So as long as you have never had an abortion and I’ve never owned a slave…… we are both consistent on those two issues
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
8:30 pm
And what does the willingness to adopt have to do with opposition to abortion? Would it be fair for me to threaten to murder…
False equivalence alert.
“Murder” is a legal term. While you find the concept abortion to be morally repugnant, it can’t be “murder” because the procedure is legal.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
8:30 pm
The Godfather of the GOP doesn’t have guests?
Who knew?
Does he have any advertisers left?
LOL.
Fred ™
April 18th, 2012
8:32 pm
So what do we know now that we didn’t know 24 hours ago……….
Catholic priests are still raping little boys. Fanatics are spouting party line bullspit and………… we are all 24 hours older.
Yawn.
TaxPayer
April 18th, 2012
8:34 pm
I see there will be one less man of Milton perusing the interwebs. It would appear that anonymity on the internet is nothing more than a passing fancy.
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:35 pm
FRED
Catholic priests are still raping little boys…no doubt, them and coaches…but, hey, we don’t say nearly as much about the latter, now, do we…? Wonder why…
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
8:35 pm
Kam
Thanks……. I figured once the “definitions” started drifting from the legal term of the medical procedure, it was time for me to move on
I will let them take that up with the government on any level they feel inclined to do so.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
8:37 pm
josef, just a guess, but probably because one is an epidemic and the other isn’t?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
8:38 pm
Short bald guy: Whether you like it or not, and you obviously don’t, the overreach of the administration and the federal government since he took office is unprecedented in American history. You are no constitutional scholar sir and imho, no patriot.
You know what’s so painful to me when I read these blogs or listen to Talk Radio? (yes I do listen – let’s me know what the crazies are thinking and saying), it’s the fact that our, (Americans), attention span is so short that we can’t or won’t remember what took place just 8 short years ago.
It’s like that Dallas episode, when Pam wakes up and claims that the entire season before was just a bad dream, and never really happened.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
8:38 pm
They BOTH suck
It’s a common linguistic trick used during the discussion of abortion. No matter how many times they get called on this particular stunt, it always happens again.
It’s almost like they are programmed with their responses.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
8:38 pm
“And, yes, I get just as outraged when the left does it with Bush…”
josef, Lordy and they did so with such rabid attacks that may have come close to setting records. The personal attacks on Obama pale in comparison. Those attacks against Bus/Cheny still go on. We even have a few posters on this blog that rant on about Bush almost to psychopathic levels. Well at least you fairly recognize it. Doesn’t really bother me it’s just weird.
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:40 pm
ZamVet
Speaking from personal experience, I can assure you the latter is just as epidemic. We don’t talk about it because straight folks don’t want to admit that it’s just as prevalent in the secular religion of sports…selective outrage is what I call it…
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
8:41 pm
josef- thanks for the lesson! that’s what i like about you, (and Doggone and AmVet and even Scout and recon), I can always learn something new from you when you’re on the blog!
PS: I show off all that fine teaching you gave me too and amaze my friends on how much stuff, (they say useless but they don’t appreciate learning as an art form like i do), that I know. Thanks again!
Oh and this is for you – Amazing Grace, (Bagpipes).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5y2O_hv3I
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
8:42 pm
Jay
April 18th, 2012
1:19 pm
Ah gee, the Bush card? Really?
First we’re not supposed to mention Bush because he’s no longer president, yadda yadda yadda. Then suddenly it’s all “oh yeah what about BUSH!” Which is it, boys?
Find me a liberal religious leader of comparable rank who likened Bush to Stalin and Hitler and you might have a point.
Which is it boys?
TaxPayer
April 18th, 2012
8:42 pm
So how’s that Obama birth certificate search progressing.
Mick
April 18th, 2012
8:43 pm
If it’s one thing that age does it’s give you some great insight; doesn’t matter which religious leader of any religion, they make themselves god…
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:43 pm
DEL
It bothers me in that it diminishes the horrors committed by Hitler and Stalin. Even Castro doesn’t rank in that category as bad as he has been…
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
8:43 pm
josef, color me very dubious that the level of depravity in coaching is anywhere near that of priests.
But I’m certainly open to evidence showing that…
barking frog
April 18th, 2012
8:44 pm
Taxpayer
the birth certificate
has mingled with the
tax returns..
Mick
April 18th, 2012
8:48 pm
**he level of depravity in coaching is anywhere near that of priests.**
It is the shocking truth, of which there is too much evidence that it was worldwide abuse. How catholic of them….
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
8:54 pm
josef, if Fidel Castro had of been a Hitler or Stalin he would have been equally as evil if not even worse.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
8:55 pm
josef – RE: coaches and molestation of boys, you are correct there is a greater number than anyone wants to talk about. but the other side of the coin, and I speak from experience, is the coaches that coach GIRL sports and try to molest young girls too.
when i was in junior high, my coach wanted to make me his “special” friend like some of the girls who started. The not-so-secret point was that THAT was why these girls’ were starters and I wasn’t. Unfortunately for him, my being a military brat meant that I had seen my share of pedophiles and already knew how to handle them.
I went home and told my dad, my grand, a couple of uncles, AND the wort person of ALL that i could tell, my MOTHER.
I started every game after that! On my MERIT and playing skills; not my knees and tongue.
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Let’s add Joseph Kony (African warlord) to the list of Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. etc. I think he ranks up there too.
josef
April 18th, 2012
8:56 pm
DDR
Back atcha…from Unmentionable…this is something of a “national anthem” of the Cherokee people…they sang it as they were being deported…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc0H3BXx4jY&feature=related
TaxPayer
April 18th, 2012
8:56 pm
Peoria! Now that little hole in the wall airport brings back memories. Flying into the middle of corn fields stretching out in all directions. My first thoughts were of getting greeted by some children of the corn.
josef
April 18th, 2012
9:04 pm
DDR
Unmentionable says to excuse the video from that one, but better that than all those Plains Indians in teepees and warbonnets…
ZamVet
Note what DDR said. Y’all just don’t want to talk about it. The recent scandals are only the tip of the iceberg…and before someone comes in here with “well, I played sports and I never saw it…” There’s plenty of Catholics will say the same thing…
You don’t see it…even when it’s going on right under your noses…
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
9:04 pm
DDR, Amazing Grace on Bagpipes gets to me almost as much as the Marine Corps Hymn where that old feeling that just rises up the spine and tears your eyes as you try to hold them back. Semper Fi
TGT
April 18th, 2012
9:08 pm
Kamchak: (As I have pointed out before) So you have no problem with slavery, etc. as long as it’s “legal?!” Are “honor killings” murder since they are “legal” in some cultures?!
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
9:13 pm
Y’all just don’t want to talk about it.
I’m no y’all but nonsense. And you know better. I do want to know about it.
I take the word of no one.
Show me the data, not anecdotes or stories or whatever.
That is very little to ask to prove your point…
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:13 pm
TGT
The procedure is legal in some to some degree or another in every state in the union…………
You can make what YOU think are moral equivalents and definitions to suit your stance all you like, but it still doesn’t change anything….
Feel free to not have one, vote against any candidate that is pro choice and write to whomever you think in government who has the ability to change the law…………
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
9:14 pm
So you have no problem with slavery, etc. as long as it’s “legal?!”
As I have pointed out before, you are playing linguistic games to emit an emotional response.
Again, I can appreciate and understand that you believe abortion to be morally repugnant, but it cannot be “murder.”
stands for decibels
April 18th, 2012
9:17 pm
It bothers me in that it diminishes the horrors committed by Hitler and Stalin.
Well duh, but I guess someone needed to state the obvious.
(one thing that impressed me about Rachel Maddow, years ago, was a radio bit she’d done taking people to task for using Hitler analogies to describe the Bush Administration, for that exact reason.)
TGT
April 18th, 2012
9:20 pm
TBS: So if abortion becomes illegal, then you will conclude that abortion is wrong? You can make all the declarations of what is “legal” that you want, what doesn’t change is what is the truth, whether it is “legal” or not.
josef
April 18th, 2012
9:20 pm
ZamVet
Data? Oh, my, ain’t that a rich one! Where were the data on the priests until enough victims finally got the courage to speak out? And, yes, y’all since you have put yourself in the category of non believer.
Anecdotal? Where do you think this on the priests started? All of the sudden one night somebody said out of the clear blue, “hey, let’s start a data bank here?”
I told you, I speak from personal experience here. Was I raped, no. Was I molested? No. Like DDR, I already knew what was going on. But I can tell you now that eight of my coaches made the pass. And did I report it? Yeah, sure, and who are they going to believe, the pretty boy or the coach…who are they going to believe, the pretty boy or the priest?
Wake up and smell the coffee…
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
9:22 pm
“one thing that impressed me about Rachel Maddow, years ago, was a radio bit she’d done taking people to task for using Hitler analogies to describe the Bush Administration, for that exact reason.)”
Just goes to show that there’s some good in everyone but I couldn’t honestly say that I’m too much impressed.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
April 18th, 2012
9:23 pm
Ahh the stereotyping of the libs, if your catholic you’re a rapist, if you’re a woman rape victim you are the poster child for justification of abortion for all women, if you’re GOP your racist. Yawn, what’s changed in the last 24 hours….
TGT
April 18th, 2012
9:23 pm
Again, I can appreciate and understand that you believe abortion to be morally repugnant, but it cannot be “murder.”
Absolutely it can. As you yourself have implied (and as it has been in the past in this country and currently is in many parts of the world), all that needs to change is the law. And don’t be surprised if it is sooner rather than later that this occurs.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:24 pm
TGT
Whether I agree or not…….. the law of the land is the law of the land
I offered you suggestions to assist in furthering your cause…..
As you can see, you are not changing any minds on this issue and no one appears to be attempting to change yours..
If you are working within the confines of the law to overturn Roe V Wade………… be my guest. Have at it.
Like Kam as mentioned twice now, your word games to invoke an emotional response are not working…… maybe they have elsewhere, but you are not getting much traction here.. at least at this point in time
hryder
April 18th, 2012
9:24 pm
Where is the total denouncement of Reverend Wright? Obama sat in his preaching presence for twenty some odd years and was unable to realize that what his preacher was saying did not align with the vast majority of the prevailing attitude in the USA. OR is it possible that these expessed thoughts of the reverend are also Obama’s. Could it be that a Catholic priest in Illinois really knows?
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
9:25 pm
josef, weak. And unlike you.
Show me that the coaching profession has the epidemic.
The 2004 John Jay Report was based on a study of 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests accused of engaging in sexual abuse of a minor between 1950 and 2002.
The report stated there were approximately 10,667 reported victims (younger than 18 years) of clergy sexual abuse during this period:
That took me less than one minute to find and link.
I’m sure I could find many more in a similar time frame…
Are you getting research averse?
stands for decibels
April 18th, 2012
9:26 pm
it is interesting that Bozo is pandering to his supposed latino voting block by putting his campaign propaganda in Spanish
I really do wonder how one gets to K-71’s advanced state of decrepitude believing the stuff he does.
also too…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/mitt-romney-spanish-language-ad-florida_n_1199085.html
and
http://thepage.time.com/2012/03/15/romney-rolls-out-spanish-language-ad/
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:27 pm
“And don’t be surprised if it is sooner rather than later that this occurs.”
While there have been changes on the state level, don’t be surprised if the Republican Party is taking you for a ride. It is a great rallying cry for the base each election.
Democrats have their issues they love to harp on as well to rally their base……….
I could be wrong and there are elected Republicans and some Democrats who would like to see Roe overturned, but generally speaking I see politics at play to get your vote…….
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:28 pm
“Could it be that a Catholic priest in Illinois really knows?”
Could it be that Obama was born in Kenya and is really a Muslim?
Could it?
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
9:29 pm
The number of pedophile priests found so far in the U.S. Catholic Church is “extrapolated” to be as high as 10,969 according to Bishop Accountabillity.org, and they are still counting.
The international numbers get higher as courts order release of documents in American and European dioceses. “The percentage of paedophile priests is 20 to 200 times higher than the incidence found in the secular population,” according to a report by Vania Lucia Gaito that City of Angels has published in today’s post.
http://blogs.alternet.org/cityofangelsonalternet/2010/09/14/new-stats-10-of-catholic-priests-were-pedophiles-and-still-counting-20-to-200-times-more-than-general-population/
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
9:31 pm
TGT – dude let it go!
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josef – tell Mr. UnMentionable, Thanks!! LOVED it!! And, strange as it may seem, it triggered a memory! Thomas A. Dorsey of all people popped into my mind when I heard the music! He’s the father of gospel music so being the nerd that I am, i had to look him up and try to find another favorite song that I like.
“I’ve been thrown out of some of the best churches in America” T. Dorsey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJwUpW7ioiA
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recon – yep I just LOVE that song too. I had no idea, until josef told me, that it’s been around so long. Oldie but a goodie.
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
9:32 pm
April 18th, 2012
9:22 pm
“one thing that impressed me about Rachel Maddow, years ago, was a radio bit she’d done taking people to task for using Hitler analogies to describe the Bush Administration, for that exact reason.)”
Just goes to show that there’s some good in everyone but I couldn’t honestly say that I’m too much impressed.
_________
Some good in everhyone Maybe. I read somewhere that Hitler was a good uncle to his nephews. At least they thought well of him.
barking frog
April 18th, 2012
9:34 pm
It can be argued that
pedophiles cannot help
themselves but coverup
conspirators certainly
can and should be
pursued for justice.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
9:35 pm
Absolutely it can.
And I “absolutely” can date Shakira.
That don’t mean it’s gonna happen.
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
9:36 pm
barking frog
April 18th, 2012
9:34 pm
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They could help themselves. “If thy hand offends then, cut it off.” You take it from there.
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
9:37 pm
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:28 pm
“Could it be that a Catholic priest in Illinois really knows?”
Could it be that Obama was born in Kenya and is really a Muslim?
Could it?
______
No, it couldn’t. Give it up.
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
9:37 pm
Oscar,
Hitler was a strange feller to figure out. He enjoyed painting as a hobby and was a man who allegedly did not swear, didn’t drink or smoke. Contrast with Churchill who allegedly drank a quart of whiskey before noon, cursed like a sailor, and smoked. If you didn’t know their names you would normally go with the milder, non swearing, non drinking, non smoking painter as the better man. The fact that Hitler was regarded with affection by his nephews doesn’t surprise me in the least.
Josef
April 18th, 2012
9:39 pm
ZamVet
Oh, take your two step chicken dance elsewhere…you know exactly what I said about data…you don’t care much for the church. I don’t care much for sports. You’ve got a lot of fellow travelers, I don’t.
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
9:41 pm
ulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
9:37 pm
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Chose between a drunk, a philanderer, and a man who never drank or smoked.
Or Churchill, FDR and Hitler if you want names.
Or Clinton and Nixon or Carter.
I never thought personal behavior had munch to do with qualifications for office.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:44 pm
Oscar
I was being sarcastic with the person I was replying too……
His post was BS and he was given back BS
Get it
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
9:46 pm
ulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
9:37 pm
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ok. Sarcasm is hard to pick up in writing. I see it missed a lot.
Furious Styles
April 18th, 2012
9:46 pm
Now THAT’s funny! So what are we to think of the Roman Catholic church which absolved knights of their sins to build an army that waged wars for the church during the Crusades. And Padre Pio who knew what the Nazi’s were doing to Jews and turned a blind eye.
Bishop Jenky is jerking all your chains, but not mine. Ha!
Julia
April 18th, 2012
9:50 pm
This is the same Catholic Church which turned a blind eye to the atrocities of the Holocaust? *sigh*
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
9:54 pm
April 18th, 2012
9:50 pm
)))
A lot of people in the USA wanted to stay out of it also. And a lot of USA companies helped Hitler and made money off of it. Interesting how all that played out.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:56 pm
“And a lot of USA companies helped Hitler and made money off of it.”
Prescott Bush????
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:57 pm
Joe Kennedy??
Mick
April 18th, 2012
9:57 pm
doom
That diatribe about the humpback camels was pretty funny…
Ted nugent is a d-bag that rocked, what a putz-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaPXiHQA8N0
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
9:58 pm
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
9:56 pm
__________
That’s what I hear. And IBM furnished a lot of equipment without with all those families could not have been found.
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
9:58 pm
“I never thought personal behavior had munch to do with qualifications for office”
Oscar,
And you might very well be right.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
9:59 pm
No worries jonix,
“The percentage of paedophile priests is 20 to 200 times higher than the incidence found in the secular population”
Probably just another anti-church nut!
Is that three steps?
I’m going to try and find more info that pedophilic coaches are more prevalent than any other secular profession including teachers, counselors, pastors, child-care providers, Boy Scout leaders and employees at establishments that serve children.
But I’m fairly certain I won’t find anything that confirms that it is anywhere remotely close to that found in the priesthood.
I’ll keep ya posted.
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
10:00 pm
“I don’t care much for sports.”- Josef
Crucify that man on the tree of woe.
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
10:00 pm
There are things a lot worse than drinking too much and having sex with women you aren’t married too.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
April 18th, 2012
10:01 pm
Re Rachel: among the many things I appreciate about her is that she lets her guests TALK. I have never heard her interrupt.
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
10:02 pm
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
9:59 pm
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I think you are right. And there are some pretty good theories about why. The structure of the church, and the structure of semiary school and its rules about behavior. Let us know what you discover.
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
10:03 pm
Mick
April 18th, 2012
9:57 pm
doom
“That diatribe about the humpback camels was pretty funny…”
Mick,
I stole it from a friend of mine who was joking about akhmed and akbar getting into a heated debate over the virtues of the one humped camel vs the 2 humped camel whereupon akhmed promptly killed akbar back in 1280. Their families have had a running feud ever since.
I don’t know who he stole that routine from or if he just made up weird shyte like that off the top of his head. Of course he had been known to come up with off the wall shyte on a regular basis. That’s why he’s my bud.
Josef
April 18th, 2012
10:03 pm
ZamVet
One last point for the time being. Two of us here tonight acknowledge having experience with pedophile coaches. How many from priests? I’ll start off and give you one to start with…
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
April 18th, 2012
10:05 pm
LOL That Ted Nugent video was funny. Looks like he is playing to a Florida retirement home.
barking frog
April 18th, 2012
10:08 pm
There are things a lot worse
than drinking too much and
having sex with women you
aren’t married too.
….
but not many better
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
10:08 pm
Mick,
I never was much of a Nugent fan as far as music goes. But I still love the man and the fact that he just irks the hell out of you libs. I mean the man just drives you guys nuts he do.
Josef
April 18th, 2012
10:08 pm
ZamVet
“I’m fairly certain I won’t find…”
There’s your sign!!
Gmare
On Maddow…yep, me, too.
TD
One of the reasons I don’t much care for sports has to do with my experiences with coaches…seriously…
Josef
April 18th, 2012
10:11 pm
Okay…outta here…EOI to you ZamVet…
ElreyJone
April 18th, 2012
10:13 pm
Bookman is an internationalist bolshevik. I’m sure his ancestors were supporters of the Trotsky, Yagoda, and Kaganovich types. I love the Roman Catholic Church and believe the Bookman’s of the world and the Obama Bin Biden regime are just modern day international bolsheviks.
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
10:13 pm
e of the reasons I don’t much care for sports has to do with my experiences with coaches…seriously…
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Never heard any stories about gay coaches, but have heard some stories about mostly football coaches with some strange ideas about violence, and heard stories about unethical behavior by coaches, lots of those stories around..
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
10:15 pm
JamVet: Show me that the coaching profession has the epidemic.
jam, how many boys reported their “alleged” (gotta say that from a legal standpoint), abuse from Sandusky? Reports show that it was about 10. In all the years he was a coach at Penn, probably coached Little League, probably had sleepovers at his house before he even got the job at Penn, but only about 10 reported cases.
do you think he only molested 10 boys? or do you think that only 10 were reported? and what happened to the first few who did come forward and report the abuse? did anyone believe them or even try and follow up on it?
IT HAPPENS. IT’S NOT REPORTED FOR VARIOUS REASONS. BUT IT HAPPENS. some kids are just too ashamed to come forward after they find out that they were just used and discarded — but it happens.
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
10:16 pm
“The percentage of paedophile priests is 20 to 200 times higher than the incidence found in the secular population”
My 2 cents on this is that from what I have read there is a reason why these 50-70 year old priests gravitated towards the church. No. 1 being that it was a respected profession. Which leads into no. 2 which is that this respected profession protected them from having to reveal their homosexuality. No one would know that they were homosexual if they went into the priesthood. No. 3 is that in a respected position of trust what better position could you possibly be in to molest boys and get away with it by telling the boy that no one would believe them?
Same thing in protestant churches regarding alderman and senior church leaders. I am more suspicious of them due to the fact that they hold prominent positions then I am of the regular church attendees. Why? Because in all sorts of cases of serial killers, child molesters, etc. the killer or the child molester often pursues a position in the community as a pillar of the community. Good examples would be the BTK killer who was a deacon or alderman or John Wayne Gacy who was a big giver to police charities, organized the St. Patties day parade in Chicago which is a huge thing, and regularly worked as a clown in order to be around children. These people who put themselves in positions of being around children or to remove themselves from suspicion I am actually more weary of.
ElreyJone
April 18th, 2012
10:16 pm
Rachel Maddow needs to go to Iran and be a reporter for the Iranians. After all she hates America and loves those people. I’m sure they would lover her in Iran. She is hated in the USA because she is a weird weird and phony woman. But Iran will love her.