Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler
This is quite a hysterical screed, and by hysterical I do not mean that it is funny. It is not funny in the least.
It is hysterical because is driven by hysteria. It is also historically ignorant and irresponsible.
The speaker is Bishop Daniel R. Jenky, head of a Catholic diocese in Illinois. Here’s what he had to say during a weekend Mass:
“The Church survived barbarian invasions. The Church survived wave after wave of Jihads. The Church survived the age of revolution. The Church survived Nazism and Communism. And in the power of the resurrection, the Church will survive the hatred of Hollywood, the malice of the media, and the mendacious wickedness of the abortion industry.
The Church will survive the entrenched corruption and sheer incompetence of our Illinois state government, and even the calculated disdain of the president of the United States, his appointed bureaucrats in HHS, and of the current majority of the federal Senate.
May God have mercy especially on the souls of those politicians who pretend to be Catholic in church, but in their public lives, rather like Judas Iscariot, betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.
As Christians we must love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us, but as Christians we must also stand up for what we believe and be ready to fight to defend our faith. The days in which we live now require heroic Catholicism, not casual Catholicism. We can no longer be Catholics by accident, but instead be Catholics by conviction.
In our own families, in our parishes, where we live and where we work – like that very first apostolic generation – we must be bold witnesses to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. We must be a fearless army of Catholic men, ready to give everything we have for the Lord, who gave everything for our salvation.
Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches like those first disciples before the Resurrection locked together in the Upper Room.
In the late 19th century, Bismark waged his “Kulturkamf,” a culture war against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany. Clemenceau, nicknamed “the priest eater,” tried the same thing in France in the first decade of the 20th Century.
Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services, and health care.
In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, President Obama – with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path.
Now things have come to such a pass in our beloved country that this is a battle that we could lose, but before the awesome judgment seat of Almighty God this is not a battle where any believing Catholic may remain neutral.”
I was raised to believe that religious leaders deserve a great deal of respect and even deference, and I hope I have raised my children with those same values. Jenky, however, deserves neither respect nor deference, because he is talking like a fool.
After all, only a fool would try to equate insurance coverage for contraception to the brutalities that were inflicted upon tens of millions of people by the likes of Stalin and Hitler. The bishop’s comments are deeply insulting and disrespectful, less to President Obama than to the many victims of the tyrants to whom Jenky attempts to link him. His comparison trivializes true human horror.
St. Peter, after all, was crucified upside down by the Romans, who also fed Christians to the lions. Hitler attempted the physical eradication of an entire religious tradition. Stalin starved millions to death in an attempt to force them to worship the state rather than a God of their own choosing.
And “President Obama, with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path”?
The suggestion is obscene.
(Given the bishop’s claims, it is also relevant to point out that the Catholic Church did not fight heroically against the evils of Naziism. To a large degree, it legitimized, collaborated and cooperated with it. While individual clerics of conscience sometimes spoke and acted with heroism, the church as an institution did not. It stood in silent acceptance of the murder of Jews and voluntarily surrendered its moral credibility. By that behavior, it did no worse than many other human institutions in that time and place. But it also did no better.)
While Jenky has seemed to abandon all sense of proportion, it’s important to keep in mind what’s really at issue here. The administration does not propose and has never proposed that the Catholic Church or other religious groups be forced to provide insurance coverage for contraception to their staff. Church staff members are expressly excluded from such a mandate out of respect for religious liberty.
The law does, however, require that church-affiliated institutions that perform secular functions in the secular world — schools, universities, hospitals, etc. — provide such coverage to their staff, many of whom are members of a different faith, just as every other provider of such services must do.
You would never know it from the hysteria offered by Jenky, but many Catholic-affiliated institutions have been offering contraceptive coverage to their secular staff for decades without controversy. For example, Georgetown University, which drew national attention through the Sandra Fluke controversy, is a Jesuit college that already offers contraception coverage to its faculty and staff, but not to its students. Many states, including Georgia, have also had similar laws on the books mandating such coverage for decades, again without controversy.
The administration proposal is also well within the constitutional confines established by the Supreme Court. As Justice Antonin Scalia, himself a stalwart Catholic, wrote in “Employment Division v. Smith” (1990):
“We have never held that an individual’s religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the state is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition.”
Jenky, on the other hand, argues that church law must take precedence over civil law even when the church is operating in the secular arena, and he seems eager to engage in battle to ensure that happens. He would apparently classify Scalia as just another Judas Iscariot, ready to “betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.”
As I said, he has exposed himself as a fool.
– Jay Bookman
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Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
6:21 pm
ion — “Obama is knee deep in prostitutes”
Lucky SOB.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 18th, 2012
6:24 pm
“Holy, holy, holy, merciful and mighty! God in three Persons, blessed Trinity!”
I remember that rockn tune from back in the day
Well, it’s got a good beat and you can dance to it.
And a tip of the old John Deere cap to Dick Clark as he begins some tune-rating up in Heaven.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
6:25 pm
Kam: what about this ole school fav?
“At the cross, at the cross where I first saw the light,
And the burden of my heart rolled away,
It was there by faith I received my sight,
And now I am happy all the day!”
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
6:27 pm
“I’m of similar opinion as you on the concept of multiple gods”
And monotheistic religions or not, even the 10 commandments does not require believers to worship ONLY one God…it does say “no other Gods BEFORE me” – not “no other Gods”
josef
April 18th, 2012
6:32 pm
BOTH, K’CHAK
Speaking of the lines from gospel songs…one of my fav’s is from “Cabin in the Corner of Gloryland..
“…Where I can hear the angels and shake Jesus’ hand…”
I kinda like the idea of a Christ who you’d meet and shake his hand…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
6:32 pm
…it does say “no other Gods BEFORE me” – not “no other Gods”
Of all the services that I have been preached at, not one person ever took that interpretation.
josef
April 18th, 2012
6:33 pm
Doggone
Ooooohhh…you sure you and I weren’t twitting the same rabbis?
godless heathen
April 18th, 2012
6:34 pm
Yet another good reason to quit listening to anything these “religious leaders” say, especially on Sunday.
getalife
April 18th, 2012
6:34 pm
Jesus is on planet Kolob.
Just ask willard.
Mitchell S. Gilbert
April 18th, 2012
6:35 pm
Bishop Promotes Catholic ‘Jihad’ Against Those Who Disagree With Him (AUDIO) http://p.ost.im/p/ebvBVj
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
6:37 pm
Union, yep, knew how to spell them big fancy liberal words too! Even the Latin ones.
When it comes to bullsh*t, big-time, major league bullsh*t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh*t story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!
But He loves you! He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh*t story. Holy Sh*t!
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
6:40 pm
josef
How bout this one?
Coming home, coming home,
Nevermore to roam;
Open wide Thine arms of love,
Lord, I’m coming home.
josef
April 18th, 2012
6:41 pm
BRUNO
Since you’re here, relative to some of our discussions SE…that young rabbi from back when I was in college used to write “-=mc2″
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
6:42 pm
josef
I think I have mentioned before that I grew up in church, but do not consider myself a Christian…. With that said, there are some great lessons to learn and of course I still remember many of the hymns
josef
April 18th, 2012
6:43 pm
BOTH
I like that one…it’s a real long story of cross cultural misunderstanding which we witnessed once at a Hardy’s in Evergreen, Alabama…but when it was “put in perspective,” the song on the radio in the background for it all was “I wanna see Jesus on the Midnight Special…”
Oscar
April 18th, 2012
6:44 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
6:32 pm
…it does say “no other Gods BEFORE me” – not “no other Gods”
Of all the services that I have been preached at, not one person ever took that interpretation.
________
I have heard that point brought up before in chrch and sunday school. No one ever had much of an answer to explain it.
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Of all the services that I have been preached at, not one person ever took that interpretation.”
Interpretation? That’s what is SAYS: “3 “You shall have no other gods before me.”
josef
April 18th, 2012
6:47 pm
BOTH
Growing up my Granddaddy, may his memory be blessed, always taught us that if you want your own beliefs to be respected, you have to respect those of others. Thus, we frequented the many churches in the area. Part of his lessons was to look for the message. Many of those old hymns come to my mind still in moments of uncertainty, joy, or what have you…
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
6:49 pm
josef @ 6:47
Good commentary……… I like that
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
6:51 pm
Interpretation? That’s what is SAYS “3 “You shall have no other gods before me.”
Yeah, I get that. It’s just that any time that particular commandment is brought up, the two words “before me” is kinda like the “k” in the word know — silent.
josef
April 18th, 2012
6:52 pm
That young rabbi I mentioned in my post to Bruno discussed this. He made the point that in most translations it says “The L-rd thy G-d is A jealous G-d…” pointing out that the modern languages addition of the indefinite article clarifies the point that this particular fellow recognizes that -e is but one of the many, but a jealous one that it’s best you don’t mess lightly with…thus, the rest of the commandment…
barking frog
April 18th, 2012
6:56 pm
not much difference
between atheist and
a theist, just a little
space.
TGT
April 18th, 2012
6:57 pm
As I said, he has exposed himself as a fool.
The true fools are those who, in spite of clear moral decency and scientific fact, have fostered and enabled a culture of abortion to flourish. 55 million killed in the womb since Roe v Wade–the vast majority as a matter of convenience–and Bookman has a problem with the good priest’s analogies. Just as with slavery and the Holocaust, history, among other things, will not be kind to those who directly participated in, or enabled the butchers of the womb to perform and prosper.
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
6:58 pm
“Yeah, I get that. It’s just that any time that particular commandment is brought up, the two words “before me” is kinda like the “k” in the word know — silent”
Oh, OK…I get you. Well, quite a few of the 10 Commandments don’t say exactly what too many people think they say. They all get truncated, and that changes the meaning.
Jm
April 18th, 2012
6:58 pm
Boring and predictable Jay poutrage
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:00 pm
Jm
Hey, leave the Imam alone with his poutrage…can’t build a cathedral of learning without them…
ragnar danneskjold
April 18th, 2012
7:07 pm
Before Hitler opened his concentration camps, and before Stalin’s campaigns of starvation against farmers, each despot attacked the most relevant moral authority in the country, the Church. Obama has certainly declared his war against the Church, Rather than outrage at the analogy, a temperate mind would merely assert that the analogies are premature.
USMC
April 18th, 2012
7:08 pm
“Boring and predictable Jay poutrage”–JM
Precisely!
Meanwhile back in the REAL world…
The $5 Trillion Man: Debt Has Increased Under Obama by $5,027,761,476,484.56
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/5-trillion-man-debt-has-increased-under-obama-502776147648456
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
7:09 pm
“Obama has certainly declared his war against the Church”
got proof?
USMC
April 18th, 2012
7:10 pm
I think many of the Leftwingnuts on this very blog were calling George W. Bush HITLER as I recall…
Where was Jay’s outrage?
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
7:11 pm
TGT
What did the Founding Fathers have to say or exactly what did they implement to stop abortion?
There were abortions at that time……… you do know that, right?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
7:11 pm
josef – best “religous songs”? i have 3 i really like. one is an old negro standard, swing low sweet chariot, one is i think penned by Hank Williams, the original – amazing grace.
and my favorite is sorta rockabilly…
This ole house is afraid of thunder
This ole house is afraid of storms
This ole house just groans and trembles
When the night wind flings its arms
This ole house is gettin’ feeble
This old house is needin’ paint
Just like him it’s tuckered out
But he’s a-gettin’ ready to meet the saints
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khfr1aZzhAw&feature=fvwrel
USMC
April 18th, 2012
7:12 pm
“Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler”–Jay Bookman
Well Obama does play the Wealth Envy and Class Warfare game as Comrade Stalin did…
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
7:12 pm
“Obama has certainly declared his war against the Church,”
When did this occur? Please fill us in with facts and quotes and not your interpretation of “war”
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:12 pm
Dick Clark R.I.P. How many on here remember American Bandstand?
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:12 pm
RAGNAR
If, as you contend, President Obama has declared war against the Church, then the most Catholic of all the SC justices, Scalia, is his commanding general…see Jay’s earlier comment…
Jay
April 18th, 2012
7:14 pm
“Heroic Catholics”….just like the ones that watched their neighbors butchered by the Nazis…and said nothing…offered no help…and with the Pope’s compliance, in accord with his agreement with Hitler to stay neutral concerning his butchery, wouldn’t even offer asylum in the churches. How dare he compare our President to Hitler when his church’s history is as a accomplice of Hitler and his ‘final solution’.
USMC
April 18th, 2012
7:16 pm
“Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler”—Jay Bookman
Both Comrade Stalin and Comrade Obama believe in:
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)…”
maybe the Bishop is just pointing out the obvious…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 18th, 2012
7:16 pm
Dick Clark R.I.P. How many on here remember American Bandstand?
Me—watching a black & white TV after school—I think it was my second year in the fourth grade.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:16 pm
DDR, I can remember that old Rosemary Clooney classic. I was in the single digits.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
7:18 pm
Before Hitler opened his concentration camps, [he} attacked the most relevant moral authority in the country, the Church.
Historically, factually incorrect claptrap.
Adolf Hitler became chancellor on January 30, 1933. On March 23 he addressed the Reichstag, in the course of which he acknowledged Christian belief as the “unshakeable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people”. Cardinal Bertram, on March 28, announced that the bishops had dropped their prohibitions against Nazi membership. The bishops’ decision opened the way for a Concordat between the Holy See and Hitler’s government. The Concordat was signed on July 20, 1933.
With the sole exception of the southern part of the state of Baden, Germany’s Catholic population, particularly in rural areas, barely withheld support from the Nazi Party until its takeover of power in 1933.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat
USMC
April 18th, 2012
7:18 pm
“When did this occur? Please fill us in with facts and quotes and not your interpretation of “war””
Lack of intelligence is no excuse, son!
I remember
April 18th, 2012
7:19 pm
I don’t think the Bishop’s words are hysterical at all. Obama has overturned centuries of deferring to relgious convictions on issues like this and hopes to just skate away from any responsiblity. His exaltation of the power and the “morality” of the state does remind me both both Hitler and Stalin.
The shoe fits.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
7:21 pm
recon you mean you were just Recon 03?
Wow!!!
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:22 pm
DDR
Some of my favs, too…I love that Clooney one, sing it often whenever the Unmentionable takes to making his list of what needs fixin’
On Amazing Grace:
John Newton wrote the words from personal experience. He grew up without any particular religious conviction but his life’s path was formed by a variety of twists and coincidences that were often put into motion by his recalcitrant insubordination. He was pressed into the Royal Navy and became a sailor, eventually participating in the slave trade. One night a terrible storm battered his vessel so severely that he became frightened enough to call out to God for mercy, a moment that marked the beginning of his spiritual conversion. His career in slave trading lasted a few years more until he quit going to sea altogether and began studying theology
Hank did write “I Saw the Light…”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
7:22 pm
Lack of intelligence is no excuse, son!
Deflection alert!
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:22 pm
“Boring and predictable Jay poutrage”
Jm, I think you know that this topic only serves as a diversion from the bad news piling up on Obama. Jay’s trying to be a good soldier for the left.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:24 pm
Debbie older than that but still in the upper single digits.
ragnar danneskjold
April 18th, 2012
7:24 pm
Dear JamVet, are you the loopy AmVet I crossed off my response list? As usual you avoid the truth in your post at 7:18:
What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the ‘National Reich Church’ drawn up during the war by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan…
“The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be national churches of the German Reich.
“The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably…the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800…
“The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.
“The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…’”
“On the altars there must be nothing but ‘Mein Kampf’ (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.
“On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels…and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.”
(The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William L. Shirer, p. 240 in some editions, p. 332 in others. Chapter headed “Triumph and Consolidation”, subsection “The Persecution of the Christian Churches”)
BADA BING
April 18th, 2012
7:25 pm
Hitler……..Concentration death camps
Stalin……. Gulags and death camps
obama……Chicago
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 18th, 2012
7:27 pm
Headline (AJC): “3 agents out in wake of Secret Service scandal”
And there will probably be more.
It’s a shame we can’t get rid of politicians that easy.
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/3-agents-out-in-1421560.html
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:27 pm
Jay (not al Shariff)
Many Catholics gave their lives sheltering their persecuted neighbors…the Church may have been silent, but not all of its congregants were…
I would suggest that you read Levy’s Fekete Könyv for one of the most complete listings of Catholic resistance, in this case Hungary’s, to the Shoah.
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
7:27 pm
“Lack of intelligence is no excuse, son”
But lack of proof is self-evident
Jay
April 18th, 2012
7:27 pm
I could post absolute proof that Gov. Deal is really a black transvestite from Mars and you guys would claim I was just trying to distract from the news that Obama ate dog as a six-year-old in Indonesia.
Aquagirl
April 18th, 2012
7:28 pm
watching a black & white TV after school—I think it was my second year in the fourth grade.
See what happens when your child is exposed to the demonic influence of Rock ‘n Roll? They end up driving a beer truck.
Parents, take note.
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
7:29 pm
“Obama has overturned centuries of deferring to relgious convictions ”
Got proof?
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
7:30 pm
To Jay’s point at 7:14., it is pathetic that this disgusting Bishop says the church survived the Nazis, when in many cases they actually collaborated with them
The concordat [a treaty] has been described as giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, having placed constraints on Catholics critical of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to the policies of the Nazis.
And why our godly Christians types here are in a hurry to move on (dot org) away from this topic…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
7:33 pm
…are you the loopy AmVet I crossed off my response list?
Another list keeper.
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:33 pm
JAY
You’d be wrong. Black transvestites come from Venus, don’t they…REAL men are from Mars and don’t eat quiche, canine or Lorraine…
kayaker 71
April 18th, 2012
7:35 pm
Bookman, 7:27,
I must say….. that is a very provocative statement. And you say that I never agree with you.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 18th, 2012
7:35 pm
JamVet:
I have said this before but here it is again.
Being a Christian is not like joining a club and you’re automatically in.
It is a spiritual matter of the heart and only the person and God knows for sure.
Simply “calling” oneself a Christian does not a Christian make.
Therefore ………….. we have terrible things done by Christians and in the name of Christianity over the centuries.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:36 pm
ragnar,
The left wing loony tunes can’t understand the common thread that exists in the M.O. of dictators such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, Kim jung Il, Saddam Hussein, Pol pot, Castro along with killers like OBL and the like because it’s more fun for them to bash Christians who they perceive to be an adversarial voting blog against their hard-left ideology.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:37 pm
Whoops, correction on my last…voting block not blog.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
7:37 pm
I don’t think the Bishop’s words are hysterical at all. Obama has overturned centuries of deferring to relgious convictions on issues like this and hopes to just skate away from any responsiblity. His exaltation of the power and the “morality” of the state does remind me both both Hitler and Stalin. The shoe fits.
Jeesh!! Listen to Talk Radio much?
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
7:37 pm
This is the third con today who has commented about how stupid someone/everyone else is.
And between the three of them, I’m not convinced they could pass an open book eight grade test. Pick a subject, any subject…
Jay
April 18th, 2012
7:40 pm
So Josef, transvestites aren’t “real men”?
I’m not in position to argue, of course, but ….
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
7:41 pm
” it’s more fun for them to bash Christians ”
If you pay REALLY, REALLY close attention you’ll find that most, if not all, of the “bashing” is of those who SAY their Christians, but who don’t ACT like they are.
As is said: actions speak louder than words…or if you want it closer to home, “don’t tell me your a Christian, SHOW me”
BADA BING
April 18th, 2012
7:42 pm
If I had a dog, it would probably look like the dog obama ate……..
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:42 pm
JAY
Lemme put it to you this way, I ain’t checkin’ to find out!
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:43 pm
“I was just trying to distract from the news that Obama ate dog as a six-year-old in Indonesia.”
Indonesia, cobra blood maybe, Korea for dog.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
7:43 pm
Josef: Many Catholics gave their lives sheltering their persecuted neighbors…the Church may have been silent, but not all of its congregants were…
I think his point was that those that SPEAK for and make POLICIES for the catholic church were abysmally silent. And the act that speaks VOLUMES was their silence when Mussolini was running rampant in Italy and the atrocities HE did.
IMO, they didn’t want Rome to take back their rights to the Vatican.
kayaker 71
April 18th, 2012
7:44 pm
Historically, the Catholic church has voted for liberals just as they backed Hitler during the Second World War. Also, it is interesting that Bozo is pandering to his supposed latino voting block by putting his campaign propaganda in Spanish. He must be the first presidential candidate to do this. What does this say to you, liberals?
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:45 pm
“I’m not in position to argue, of course, but ….”
Oh, Oh, is Jay inviting a finish the sentence game?
Jay
April 18th, 2012
7:46 pm
Recon, I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging the common thread “of dictators such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, Kim jung Il, Saddam Hussein, Pol pot, Castro along with killers like OBL and the like.”
It’s only when people imply that names such as “Obama” ought to be tagged onto that list that things get very weird.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 18th, 2012
7:47 pm
See what happens when your child is exposed to the demonic influence of Rock ‘n Roll? They end up driving a beer truck.
Hey, Aquagirl, I can find out where you live.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
7:48 pm
Jay, I wouldn’t connect Obama to that scum but some have connected Christians to them.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
7:48 pm
Recon
Saddam Hussein
Compared to some ME countries Saddam left many Christians alone…….
His “bread and butter” was to go after the Shi’a and Kurds
If I’m not mistaken, Christians have been persecuted at much higher rate since his demise
TGT
April 18th, 2012
7:48 pm
What did the Founding Fathers have to say or exactly what did they implement to stop abortion?
There were abortions at that time……… you do know that, right?
How about the “right to life…”?! However, most people during that time did not need a Constitution to tell them it was wrong to kill another human being. Sure, abortions have been performed throughout history. Your point? Surely you are not implying that, because it happened it was viewed as morally acceptable (or a “right”)? Then again, you probably are.
There were slaves at that time……….you do know that, right?
Rafe Hollister
April 18th, 2012
7:48 pm
When Hugo Chavez complained of smelling sulfur at the UN following Bush’s speech, the left had a big guffaw.
Black churches have had sermons like this opposing the GOP since forever. They compare the GOP to the KKK; where is the outrage? Oh, I forgot, that is funny, right there, hah.
Although this Catholic bishop was wrong to overstate his case, precedent exists. It is not something to be surprised at.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
7:49 pm
Jay — “I could post absolute proof that Gov. Deal is really a black transvestite from Mars”
Well, what’n'a’hell is KEEPING you?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 18th, 2012
7:49 pm
BADA:
There are a few weiner dog eaters on here.
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:49 pm
DDR
He used the term Catholics and not the Roman Catholic Church…the reason I make this point is that for those who have spent time in the files documenting the Shoah, one of the most intriguing things to emerge from the research dedicated to the resistance, they were just as likely to have been pious and practicing Catholics, or Protestants as they were non believers, just as likely to have been arch conservatives as leftist liberals…
Jay
April 18th, 2012
7:50 pm
“Bozo is pandering to his supposed latino voting block by putting his campaign propaganda in Spanish. He must be the first presidential candidate to do this. What does this say to you, liberals?
Well, kayaker, I’d say Obama is NOT the first presidential candidate to do this. There was this guy back in 2008, for example:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071024175421/http://www.mittromney.com/Espanol/index
I’m sure kayaker was thoroughly upset by that four years ago.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
April 18th, 2012
7:50 pm
Ooops missed this one – sorry.
Josef: On Amazing Grace:
John Newton wrote the words from personal experience. He grew up without any particular religious conviction but his life’s path was formed by a variety of twists and coincidences that were often put into motion by his recalcitrant insubordination.
Really? For some reason I always thought Hank Sr. wrote that song!! I saw an old black and white film of him singing it and every time I hear the song, I’ve always thought of him!
Thanks teach!
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
7:53 pm
Recon
My apologies……. I misread your post at 7:36
Disregard my reply at 7:48..
Sorry about that
willie lynch
April 18th, 2012
7:53 pm
The Catholic Church is a joke period.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
7:54 pm
0311, I left you a Scooby Snack last week. I’m not sure if you saw it or not, but since this is the first time I’ve seen you since then, here you go.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/04/11/tailgunner-al-west-theres-commies-in-the-house/?cp=7#comment-922704
All be well and drive safely. I’m out.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
7:54 pm
How about the “right to life…”?! However, most people…
People?
Or more correctly, men.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Have an unalienable right to life?
Just trying to clarify what the document actually says.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
7:55 pm
Kayaker
If that offends you and Romney is doing the same……. who will you be voting for in November?
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-17/romney-commercial-contrast-shows-effort-to-hold-base-and-court-hispanics
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:56 pm
Look, the very idea of putting President Obama in the category with Stalin and Hitler is so insane that anybody with the sense G-d promised a p*ssant can only shake his/her head in woeful disbelief.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
April 18th, 2012
7:56 pm
He must be the first presidential candidate to do this. What does this say to you, liberals?
It says to me that you are a tool and even a cursory check would’ve turned up connection in the 00 and 04 presidential campaigns with speeches and ads in Spanish.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
7:58 pm
Kayaker
Guess Newt wasn’t your choice either
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/02/17/newt-gingrich-launches-ad-courting-arizona-hispanics/
you get the point
Now Santorum I believe didn’t do this……… maybe he was your 1st choice
BADA BING
April 18th, 2012
7:59 pm
Maybe Romney put the dog on top of the car to tenderize it.
josef
April 18th, 2012
7:59 pm
DDR
Check it out at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_Grace
I think you’ll know why I’m making such a point of it here…
Jay
April 18th, 2012
7:59 pm
I guess the kayak tipped over.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 18th, 2012
8:00 pm
Joe Hussein Mama :
I have been looking for you. I hadn’t seen that but you were correct on the facts of the account and I owe you an apology.
The “intell.” involved something else that in fact turned out to be wrong. However, at the time the Colonel did not know that and I still support he was acting in the best interest of his men based on what he had.
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
8:01 pm
TBS, Hussein was a secular dictator who tolerated nothing that represented a threat to his regime. If Christians got in the way perceived or otherwise they were dead. If Shi’a Muslims or Sunni Muslims got in the way they were dead along with the Kurds where many died because of the use of WMD’s. Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator and contrary to the opinions of some a serious threat to the free world. He’s better off dead and gone.
Tom Middleton
April 18th, 2012
8:02 pm
Oh no, another paranoid religious leader trying to take control. But it’s been going on like this since the early centuries AD, when the church first got organized and decided it was in charge.
The problem, of course, is that it’s the never-ending spirit of God that’s supposed to be in charge, not the church, and when Jesus said to “love the “Lord with all your heart, mind and soul,” he wasn’t telling us to pray directly to God but always let the leaders answer.
If church leaders have a single divine commandment to justify their existence, it’s to help people get into direct touch with God to fulfill their Christian promise, not to “shut up the kingdom” and keep them from knowing hardly anything at all.
And as a first order of spiritual business, one would think they would want to do it themselves, so they would know what they’re talking about before they try to teach. But as Jesus said to the corrupt leaders of his day, and you “neither go in yourselves,” and yes, he called them hypocrites!
It’ll be awhile before true religion can provide the free-will moral force needed to help us shrink our government without weakening us severely, but it could come much sooner than we think. I believe the people are mostly ready now, even as we speak, but I’m afraid the church will never be till there’s no other choice.
But until then, we have the gift from our beloved Founders – a system of representative freedom that lets us believe what we will, as long as we don’t try to impose it on the free-will choices of others (like contraception use). And please trust me when I tell you this, true religion IS free-will. It has to be, for as Jesus taught us, “The (unlimited) kingdom of God is within you,” and we have to want it more than we even want ourselves!
I mean, show me a religious leader that thinks he can force this, and I’ll show you a religious leader that like Jenky stands in the way!
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
8:02 pm
TGT
were we talking about slaves?
I was merely replying to your post about Roe v Wade
Do you think doctors “just” started performing abortions when Roe v Wade came around or did that case make it legal?
As for abortion and your stance……. I take it that you have never had one and I want to applaud you for the number of kids you have adopted. That is very commendable for anyone to do and should be acknowledged as such.
Short Bald Guy
April 18th, 2012
8:03 pm
The way you talk makes you completely undeserving of respect. Whether you like it or not, and you obviously don’t, the overreach of the administration and the federal government since he took office is unprecedented in American history. You are no constitutional scholar sir and imho, no patriot.