Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler
This is quite a hysterical screed, and by hysterical I do not mean that it is funny. It is not funny in the least.
It is hysterical because is driven by hysteria. It is also historically ignorant and irresponsible.
The speaker is Bishop Daniel R. Jenky, head of a Catholic diocese in Illinois. Here’s what he had to say during a weekend Mass:
“The Church survived barbarian invasions. The Church survived wave after wave of Jihads. The Church survived the age of revolution. The Church survived Nazism and Communism. And in the power of the resurrection, the Church will survive the hatred of Hollywood, the malice of the media, and the mendacious wickedness of the abortion industry.
The Church will survive the entrenched corruption and sheer incompetence of our Illinois state government, and even the calculated disdain of the president of the United States, his appointed bureaucrats in HHS, and of the current majority of the federal Senate.
May God have mercy especially on the souls of those politicians who pretend to be Catholic in church, but in their public lives, rather like Judas Iscariot, betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.
As Christians we must love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us, but as Christians we must also stand up for what we believe and be ready to fight to defend our faith. The days in which we live now require heroic Catholicism, not casual Catholicism. We can no longer be Catholics by accident, but instead be Catholics by conviction.
In our own families, in our parishes, where we live and where we work – like that very first apostolic generation – we must be bold witnesses to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. We must be a fearless army of Catholic men, ready to give everything we have for the Lord, who gave everything for our salvation.
Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches like those first disciples before the Resurrection locked together in the Upper Room.
In the late 19th century, Bismark waged his “Kulturkamf,” a culture war against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany. Clemenceau, nicknamed “the priest eater,” tried the same thing in France in the first decade of the 20th Century.
Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services, and health care.
In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, President Obama – with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path.
Now things have come to such a pass in our beloved country that this is a battle that we could lose, but before the awesome judgment seat of Almighty God this is not a battle where any believing Catholic may remain neutral.”
I was raised to believe that religious leaders deserve a great deal of respect and even deference, and I hope I have raised my children with those same values. Jenky, however, deserves neither respect nor deference, because he is talking like a fool.
After all, only a fool would try to equate insurance coverage for contraception to the brutalities that were inflicted upon tens of millions of people by the likes of Stalin and Hitler. The bishop’s comments are deeply insulting and disrespectful, less to President Obama than to the many victims of the tyrants to whom Jenky attempts to link him. His comparison trivializes true human horror.
St. Peter, after all, was crucified upside down by the Romans, who also fed Christians to the lions. Hitler attempted the physical eradication of an entire religious tradition. Stalin starved millions to death in an attempt to force them to worship the state rather than a God of their own choosing.
And “President Obama, with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path”?
The suggestion is obscene.
(Given the bishop’s claims, it is also relevant to point out that the Catholic Church did not fight heroically against the evils of Naziism. To a large degree, it legitimized, collaborated and cooperated with it. While individual clerics of conscience sometimes spoke and acted with heroism, the church as an institution did not. It stood in silent acceptance of the murder of Jews and voluntarily surrendered its moral credibility. By that behavior, it did no worse than many other human institutions in that time and place. But it also did no better.)
While Jenky has seemed to abandon all sense of proportion, it’s important to keep in mind what’s really at issue here. The administration does not propose and has never proposed that the Catholic Church or other religious groups be forced to provide insurance coverage for contraception to their staff. Church staff members are expressly excluded from such a mandate out of respect for religious liberty.
The law does, however, require that church-affiliated institutions that perform secular functions in the secular world — schools, universities, hospitals, etc. — provide such coverage to their staff, many of whom are members of a different faith, just as every other provider of such services must do.
You would never know it from the hysteria offered by Jenky, but many Catholic-affiliated institutions have been offering contraceptive coverage to their secular staff for decades without controversy. For example, Georgetown University, which drew national attention through the Sandra Fluke controversy, is a Jesuit college that already offers contraception coverage to its faculty and staff, but not to its students. Many states, including Georgia, have also had similar laws on the books mandating such coverage for decades, again without controversy.
The administration proposal is also well within the constitutional confines established by the Supreme Court. As Justice Antonin Scalia, himself a stalwart Catholic, wrote in “Employment Division v. Smith” (1990):
“We have never held that an individual’s religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the state is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition.”
Jenky, on the other hand, argues that church law must take precedence over civil law even when the church is operating in the secular arena, and he seems eager to engage in battle to ensure that happens. He would apparently classify Scalia as just another Judas Iscariot, ready to “betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.”
As I said, he has exposed himself as a fool.
– Jay Bookman
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ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 18th, 2012
2:04 pm
Seems the Catholic Bishops as a group are not happy with Republican budgets either:
http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-063.cfm
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 18th, 2012
2:06 pm
To quote:
In April 16 and April 17 letters to the House Agriculture Committee and the House Ways and Means Committee addressing cuts required by the budget resolution, Bishop Blaire said “The House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria.” Bishop Blaire also wrote that cuts to nutrition programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP- food stamps) and the Child Tax Credit (CTC) will hurt hungry children, poor families, low-income workers and other vulnerable people. Additionally, he wrote that if cuts to the federal budget need to be made, savings should first be found in programs that target more affluent and powerful interests.
F. Sinkwich
April 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
If only Jenky had spent the last 20 plus years screaming “God damn America” from the pulpit week after week, he’d be celebrated by Jay and his lib ilk minions here on this blog. Or at least be excused for some reason or another.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
“As I said, he has exposed himself as a fool.”
Jay, I, as have you, been raised to respect not only my elders, but also people in certain positions.
That is, until they, themselves, cause that respect to be withdrawn. Either through word or deed.
This is one of those times.
Another good article.
BTW, do you know what the term “jenky” means in the ‘hood?
Jay
April 18th, 2012
2:09 pm
No, Party, can’t say I do…
gm
April 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Why should anyone be surprised of white bishops, and priest, these are the people that hung blacks back in the 19th and 20th century in the name of Jessus.
We never hear about Obama commitment to family and morales or the 1st lady out there fighting for widows who lost members in the miltary instead these devils who pretend to be Priest support men like Newt G. and remain silent while they rape litte boys.
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:11 pm
Keep it up, Catholic Church. I mean, if you want to alienate even more people, that is…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 18th, 2012
2:11 pm
BYTE ME
none of us should be happy with any budget by BOTH PARTIES
we have $15 TRILLION in debt and climbing
if anyone is happy with any budget from either party, then you need professional help
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
2:12 pm
stands for decibels,
Free article from a lib favorite the Huffington post. Kinda interesting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanton-peele/americans-are-unhealthy-e_b_719126.html
We know Americans eat too much and are overweight. That’s more true of poor Americans. The higher your income and education in America, the less likely you are to be obese. Hispanic, Native American and African American youths are far more likely to be overweight than their Caucasian cohorts.
And the differences are growing worse. A recent study of Californians found that obesity has leveled off for teens since 2005, except among Native American and African American girls, where it continues to increase. Eighty percent of African American women are now overweight.
carlosgvv
April 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
n – 1:40 “I cannot fathom what it is about Omama that brings out the worst in so many people”
They want a lighter shade of pale in the White House.
Union
April 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:11 pm
“Keep it up, Catholic Church. I mean, if you want to alienate even more people, that is… ”
does that mean when dems said that about bush they alienated democratic party members?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
April 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
GM
the term is not rape………. they use molest in the media…………. like it makes it much better
its like there is murder and then there is a HATE CRIME which is much worse than murder
Mick
April 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
sink
Thanks for the perspective, you really know how to make a relevant point…
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
none of us should be happy with any budget by BOTH PARTIES
What?? I thought Ryan’s budget plan was deemed “heroic”? Maybe the bishops didn’t get the memo on that.
Brosephus™
April 18th, 2012
2:15 pm
Doom
I don’t think that road construction by itself does anything. What I think it does is that spending puts money back in the economy to be cycled around. There is more benefit to main street when money moves around versus sitting in a bank.
As to Myerson’s attention to pin things on the GOP, it does not help that the GOP continues to championing stopping Obama every chance they can. When you’re on record with that agenda, it’s hard to shake that image.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
April 18th, 2012
2:16 pm
Years ago, I commented about being a retired Catholic.
Another woman spoke up, “No, we are recovering Catholics.”
Barking Toad
April 18th, 2012
2:17 pm
Politicians who pretend to be catholic in church?
I thought the speech was about the Newt.
Becky
April 18th, 2012
2:18 pm
Please explain to me again why churches that have obvious political stances can remain tax free.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Union, do you ever use a different MO besides, “But Mommy! Billy did it too!”
Seriously.
It only works the first three hundred and fifty seven times…
barking frog
April 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
F
your loquaciousness is
exceeded only by your
prevarication.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
2:21 pm
From the Urban Dictionary:
jenky – extremely low in quality or base in thought, specifically used in the ghetto to replace “ghetto” as an adjective.
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
2:21 pm
“As to Myerson’s attention to pin things on the GOP, it does not help that the GOP continues to championing stopping Obama every chance they can.When you’re on record with that agenda, it’s hard to shake that image.”
Brocephus,
Well if they think Obama’s policies are a failure then why shouldn’t they stop him? And when the Dems had total control of Congress and ran their agenda through what good did it do? The economy had already bottomed when O came into office. I saw no great rebound or appreciable growth after he came into office. And as I just showed the stimulus did little if anything in helping with unemployment. And in terms of stopping someone from succeeding why is it the Senate persists in stopping House bills that require getting our financial house in order and entitlement reform? Entitlement reform and getting our spending under control are of absolute necessesity if we are going to go back to a growth mode. Why do Dems not see this and why do they block efforts at getting a handle on things?
Talking Head
April 18th, 2012
2:21 pm
“Please explain to me again why churches that have obvious political stances can remain tax free.”
Live Rev. Wright’s Church that Obama went to?
j nes
April 18th, 2012
2:23 pm
The corruption he (or any other Catholic priest) speaks of in this country is clearly the “splinter in someone else’s eye.”
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
2:23 pm
Talking Head, do you ever use a different MO besides, “But Mommy! Billy did it too!”
Seriously.
It only works the first three hundred and fifty seven times…
Becky
April 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
thead-I don’t think ANY church with a political agenda should be tax exempt.
Barking Toad
April 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
My ATL hood just had a shootout
If you need drugs, crack, whatever, go to Chosewood Park
Cops apparently don’t care and aren’t doing anything to stop it
Welfare recipients are welcome there too
Paul
April 18th, 2012
2:25 pm
Yes, his remarks regarding Pres Obama were over the top. But how could he come to those conclusions? By listening to Cardinal Egan, Spkr Boehner, Sen McConnell, Sean Hannity and a host others who hold forth with opinions designed to defeat the President.
On one area in his speech he’s well within his office – he call to Catholics to start acting like Catholics in deed as well as in word. l listen to some Catholic friends going down a list of Catholic doctrine saying “nope… don’t buy that…. that ain’t right…. not for me… nope” and I think “I don’t know what you are, but it isn’t Catholic. You’d probably feel more at home in a nondenominational, make it up as you go and believe whatever you want Protestant church.”
stands for decibels
April 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
Some of you guys really need material newer than “the scary colored guy who doesn’t lead the church Obama no longer belongs to”.
barking frog
April 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
Hello toad.
Paul
April 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
Adam
Interesting view – that popular vote determines core belief systems in a religious sphere.
But given Nicaea, that may not be too far off -
Union
April 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
jamvet..given the level of intelligence around here.. repetition is not a bad concept. maybe you should run that repetition concept by obama.. he seems to be stuck in a continual loop. (he does the same thing when talking with libs.. so they must have a hard time understanding things)
JohnnyReb
April 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
Jay, this morning you take up the banner of poor people dependent on the state for assistance not having to prove they are drug free. In your view, they have Constitutional rights that must be protected.
This afternoon you take on the Catholic Church for wanting the Federal Government to stay out of their business and Constitutional Rights. You find taking of their Liberty and freedom OK.
Are you sure you are not an Independent? Someone who changes their mind to suit their purpose?
stands for decibels
April 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
Oh, and Thulsa, I did scan the SciAm story linked in the HuffPo piece; there is interesting material there, and it’s not the first I’ve seen such things documented.
I’m not sure what can be done to ensure those receiving food assistance make better dietary choices. I’m certainly open to suggestions.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
Becky — “Please explain to me again why churches that have obvious political stances can remain tax free.”
Because BIRF CONTROL, that’s why.
Barking Toad
April 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
Hi frog
Richard
April 18th, 2012
2:30 pm
This quote is scary:
“We must be a fearless army of Catholic men, ready to give everything we have for the Lord…”
Just pointing out that if you replaced the word “Catholic” with “Muslim” we would all think it was a terrorist organization.
Intown
April 18th, 2012
2:31 pm
A hyberbolic, misplaced, and unnecessary call to arms by this bishop.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
2:31 pm
JohnnyReb — “This afternoon you take on the Catholic Church for wanting the Federal Government to stay out of their business and Constitutional Rights. You find taking of their Liberty and freedom OK.”
How, exactly, are their liberty and freedom being infringed upon?
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
I’m not Catholic but Amen to Bishop Jenky’s spot on speech.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
Intown — “A hyberbolic, misplaced, and unnecessary call to arms by this bishop.”
Birfers, Phase Two.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
Union, you have a very high estimation of your intelligence, relative to unspecified others here
What is your IQ?
Mick
April 18th, 2012
2:34 pm
recon
Maybe you should convert then if that’s what appeals to you…
stands for decibels
April 18th, 2012
2:35 pm
I think those, like Bishop Jenky, who use a term like “pro-abortion” to describe those who support reproductive choice, should face some consequences for lying like that.
rightwing troll
April 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
Catholic church = institutionalized pedophilia…
Why do we care what this child-raper apologist has to say, the catholic church’s silence on the matter of priests sexually abusing children speaks volumes about the institution.
JohnnyReb
April 18th, 2012
2:38 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
2:31 pm
JohnnyReb — “This afternoon you take on the Catholic Church for wanting the Federal Government to stay out of their business and Constitutional Rights. You find taking of their Liberty and freedom OK.”
How, exactly, are their liberty and freedom being infringed upon?
____________________
You’re kidding, right? This is the same debate had over and over. The Feds have no Constitutional authority to force the Catholic Church, or any one else as far as that goes, to provide contraceptives at no charge in their group insurance. And, the Obama dodge of it not costing the church more for insurers to provide wont’ hold water.
This debate will go away once SCOTUS finds Obamacare unconstitutional, or at a minimum the insurance mandate unconstitutional.
JohnnyReb
April 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
I’m not Catholic but Amen to Bishop Jenky’s spot on speech.
__________________________
Ditto
Paul
April 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
rightwing troll
Can you think of one major institution that’s been around for years that hasn’t had some sort of a scandal?
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
Union: does that mean when dems said that about bush they alienated democratic party members?
Yes. But not JUST dems.
Zedd
April 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
Burn in hell blasphemers! Straight of the Media Matters playbook Jay Judas Iscariot fakes outrage so he and his liberal leg humpers can make another thinly veiled attack on Christians and their beliefs. Careful! If I were a liberal or black, I might be offended, file suit, have a national televised press conference calling for riots, place a bounty on your head, and have groups like the NAACP crawling up all your orifices.
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
Paul: Interesting view – that popular vote determines core belief systems in a religious sphere.
The Catholic Church depends on membership, just like any other religion. The difference is it’s more direct and immediate.
Michael
April 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
Yes, I would never let my kids or grndkis alone with a priest. And when I was growing up and had to walk by the catholic school those nuns were witches. Celibacy works, not.
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
Paul: I also happen to think that likening Obama to Hitler or Stalin says nothing of the core beliefs of the Catholic faith, but it cans till turn people away from being church goers if they feel their leadership has abandoned the faith.
Mighty Righty
April 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
The Deflectocrats still have this warped idea that there is some free source of money in spite hearing Obama himself bemoan the fact there isn’t any money. (He does have some TARP funds he is saving for a rainy day) Building roads is a nice idea. Borrowing money from our childrens future to pay for those roads is not. Also, building roads instead of feeding poor people is not a good idea either. When the funds are limited, the spending of those funds requires discretion, or at least it should. When our gambler in chief would rather give our money to his green energy friends to waste on the likes of Solyndra rather than build roads or feed the hungry then it is his judgement that should be questioned. I know of no money sitting idly by that is not being used except there are some left over TARP funds Obama could use to build roads with or feed the hungry. Doesn’t seem to be a priority.
The Fresh Prince of BIll Ayers
April 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
How dare the church want to think secularly from government? After all, governments should be viewed with god-like reverance..
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
Mick, thank you once again for paying so much attention to my post that it caused you to feel compelled to comment but while I choose my own Christian denomination it doesn’t prevent me from agreeing with another ones view.
JohnnyReb
April 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
“reproductive choice”, is that the same as selective murder?
Mick
April 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
Somebody please wheel out the fainting couch for old zedd…
Brosephus™
April 18th, 2012
2:43 pm
Well if they think Obama’s policies are a failure then why shouldn’t they stop him?
If that’s what they choose to do, then so be it. Just don’t complain when they get blamed for things not getting done. Given that Obama supported the 2 year bill, the GOP seeks to stop his agenda, and the House defeated that bill, how can one not lay blame with the GOP in this case?
Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
“Somebody please wheel out the fainting couch for old zedd…”
Heck, he’ll just up on the wrong side of that too…just like bed this morning.
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in
It is not possible to prove it didn’t work.
Soothsayer
April 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
Whooooo – eeeeeeeee! Jay’s done kicked over the Catholic anthill! If’n you want to stir up a hornet’s nest, just say something, anything for or against the Catholics.
My preacher wouldn’t dare say anything like this ’cause he knows I’d pull out the heat I always pack at Church — so’s we’re the first in line down to the Golden COH-ral — and shoot up the place!
Anyway, what this all boils down to is this: if’n you ain’t lookin’ to make no baby, you ain’t got no business “hidin’ the sausage,” so to speak. All the rest of the time, you should be celibate, like our good Priests (except when they’re puddin’ — rhymes with mud — them little boys).
Little Rickie’s done got it right! No sex, no how, no way. Unless’n, of course, it’s for makin’ a little brat! I mean how much simpler can we make this?
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
2:45 pm
Mick @ 2:42
I was thinking the exact same thing. Zed is calling people “liberal leg humpers”, yet he can’t even see that his post could be one of many right wing talk show hosts or writers direct diatribe and talking points
But it was funny to read…….
Get them “libs”……… Zed
Mick
April 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
recon
No problem dude, I don’t believe that bishop represents the finest moment of catholic thought. There are however, many jesuits who are quite brilliant in the grandest liberal tradition…
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
“I’m not sure what can be done to ensure those receiving food assistance make better dietary choices. I’m certainly open to suggestions.”
stands for decibels
Unfortunately I’m not sure either. I applaud Michelle Obama’s eating healthier initiative as a fantastic and worthy goal for the first lady. But as that Huffpo article points out they believe she will fail in making any real difference and that’s a shame. Eating healthier and smarter is something that I think can only be done at a grass roots and individual level and its going to be hard for that to change overnight.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
Aquagirl
April 18th, 2012
1:17 pm
Does Bishop Crankypants always rant like this? Maybe he got dumped by his favorite altar boy.
__________________________________________________________________________
Aquagirl, are you the one who came up with the “Commander McBunnypants” moniker for Bush for him “Mission Accomplished” outfit?
If so, thanks.
That STILL cracks me up.
Mick
April 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
bro
**Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in**
Shhhhh…nobody really needs to focus on that particular truth…
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
they BOTH suck,
Quit humpin my leg you librul leg humper.
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
they BOTH suck,
Quit humpin my leg you librul leg humper.
Ahahaha… too funny….
Becky
April 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
Commander McBunnypants? hahahahhahahahahahahahhaah, that is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. Thank you!
Zedd
April 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
Glad I could provide some humor today amongst the faithful…..Do unto others and all that….;)
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
Zedd
“Mission Accomplished”………
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
“Proving the stimulus didn’t work could also be used to show that tax cuts don’t work either as the stimulus was one third tax cuts in”
It should be remembered that tax cuts are also part of overall Keynesian economic policy.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
gadem
April 18th, 2012
1:23 pm
but but they said if the taxes were lower on the job creators, they could create jobs. How low should their taxes be…0%?!
___________________________________________________________________________
Way to stay on topic gadem.
SHARP, this one is.
Mick
April 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
zeed
Yes, thanks…humor is always greatly appreciated! Seriously, why else would god make a giraffe?
Have they no shame?
April 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
Not only was the Catholic Church complicit with Hitler, but with the fascists of Franco and Mussilini. Looking at South America, they supported the Dirty War in Argentina and the dictator Pinochet in Chile. Of course many fewer South Americans died with these modern dictators vs. those at the hand of church sponsored expeditions of Pizzaro and Cortez who killed millions, many of which resulted from a refusal to convert to their faith.
Looking across the Atlantic, you have the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition to add to the list of Catholic atrocities as well as well as the widespread efforts to limit birth control in third world countries where STDs like AIDs have spread more widely as a result. To cap this off we have the shameful scandal of clerical pederasty and the attempts to not stop it, but cover it up that leads all the way up the church to the current Holy See.
Jay, with all due respect, why should we respect the opinions of anyone from this sinister organization?
Adam
April 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
Jay, with all due respect, why should we respect the opinions of anyone from this sinister organization?
I think it has something to do with the false idea that somehow, someway, Catholics do as they’re told
stands for decibels
April 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
“reproductive choice”, is that the same as selective murder?
they’re so cute when they pretend never to have heard a bog-standard term in regular political parlance.
gm
April 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
Recon 0311 2533
Maybe Obama should have look the other way and let the top terrorist he gave orders to kill come your house and these so called Anti Americans hyprocrite priest.
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
“reproductive choice”, is that the same as selective murder?
In some parallel universes, I believe so.
Long Live Commander McBunnypants!
Aka, Captain Codpiece…
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
2:58 pm
JohnnyReb,
It’s interesting this diversion away from the important issues by attacking a church leader. Here we have the Senate Democrats under Harry Reid behaving like immature spoiled brats by not even bringing budget proposals up for a vote after not fulfilling their charter to pass one for 3 years. With Bush tax rates due to expire at years end and the deep cuts to our military and government programs posed to kick in as a result of failure to cut spending we’re looking at train wreck in January 013. It almost appears the Democrats expect Obama to lose and they want to leave the country in ruins for the next administration.
Thulsa Doom
April 18th, 2012
2:59 pm
Mick,
And why else would God make the single humped camel as well as the double humped camel. Not just for humor but so that libs and cons could debate the virtues of both on the Bookman blog. I’ll espouse the virtues of the double humped camel on the premise that two is better than one while you silly libs opine that one hump is better than two. BTW you need not have a reason for the single hump camel preference other than that us cons like the double hump camel.
Barking Toad
April 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Mick 2:52
To eat the leaves at the top of the tree silly
Adam
April 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Recon: It’s interesting this diversion away from the important issues by attacking a church leader.
Yes, god forbid we talk about multiple issues that YOU think aren’t important, and don’t talk about whatever the outrage-flavor-of-the-week is.
My, My, My
April 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Wonder how this Bishop feels about the Trayvon Martin case? I have not heard ONE “christian” white Bishop/Minister offer an opinion about the whole outcry! Was he outraged about the number of kids that have been molested under the leadership of the various catholic churches?
Adam
April 18th, 2012
3:01 pm
Recon: For that matter, god forbid we DO talk about some of your issues, and you then pretend we NEVER talk about your issues.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
“It almost appears the Democrats expect Obama to lose and they want to leave the country in ruins for the next administration.”
One could replace Dem with Rep and Obama with McCain and argue the same point
Doggone/GA
April 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
“Yes, god forbid we talk about multiple issues that YOU think aren’t important, and don’t talk about whatever the outrage-flavor-of-the-week is.”
That he’s too lazy to write up on HIS blog
Mighty Righty
April 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
Liberals, socialists, marxists, fascists and nazis, you hope that millions of catholics will vote against their doctrine and beliefs and vote for your man Obama. A few will. But the rest, ………..? Frankly, most of us are fed up with the constant attacks on our christanity, our beliefs and our GOD from you non believers. Come November, we will have our say. Amen.
USMC
April 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Catholic bishop likens Obama to Stalin, Hitler”–Jay Bookman
SAME IDEOLOGIES!
Obama Espouses and believes in the same IDEOLOGY as both Hitler and Stalin.
As Obama is a MESSY blend of Fascism and Marxism; leaning closer to Marxism.
However, Obama is NOT a Ruthless Killer like the other two Maniacs were.:-)
Recon 0311 2533
April 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
gm@2:55, I’d give responding to your post a bit of consideration, however, you appear to have a problem expressing yourself clearly.
They BOTH suck
April 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
Recon
But to your larger point, imo we need a reduction in spending as well as some phased in tax increases…………
When I say “tax increase” I mean for everyone, even those who qualify for EITC……….
What those numbers should look like is beyond my pay grade, but some meetings of the minds in some combination or another will have to take place regardless of who wins this November
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
“attacking a church leader”.
Hysterical.
The despicable man makes up out of thin air the most depraved lies about the president, comparing him directly to mass murderers, but pay that no mind!
No sirree.
HE is the one being attacked.
Is it any wonder why church attendance is plummeting?
Joe Hussein Mama
April 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
JohnnyReb — “You’re kidding, right?”
Not at all.
“This is the same debate had over and over. The Feds have no Constitutional authority to force the Catholic Church, or any one else as far as that goes, to provide contraceptives at no charge in their group insurance.”
Wonder why the Catholic Church never got all exercised about it when over 25 states already have the SAME requirement on their books, have had it for YEARS, and the Church is compliant with THOSE. Spare me your uninformed, manufactured outrage.
“And, the Obama dodge of it not costing the church more for insurers to provide wont’ hold water.”
Uh huh. How about the Church losing its collective mind about something over half the states have been requiring it to do for over a decade? Why’d that never happen? Oh, right, Obama.
“This debate will go away once SCOTUS finds Obamacare unconstitutional, or at a minimum the insurance mandate unconstitutional.”
Or once the RCC gets publicly shamed enough by means of repeated public revelations that it has been doing EXACTLY what it’s complaining about for YEARS — and that it only got publicly upset when Obama expressed an interest in making the state requirement into a Federal one.
Yeah, that’s some principled opposition right there. Birf control in the health insurance is peachy-keen when it’s just the state’s requiring it. But make it a Federal requirement and it’s ZOMG SOSHULIZUM.
stands for decibels
April 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
I have not heard ONE “christian” white Bishop/Minister offer an opinion about the whole outcry!
uh, whuh…?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/sns-ap-il–neighborhoodwatch-chicagochurch,0,3780948.story
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-across-us-wear-hoodies-on-palm-sunday-72442/
just two of hundreds of stories out there.
gm
April 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.
I am sure God is pleased with these Priest for standing against the millions of women and kids who are trying to get health care under Obama cares.
Gee funny how these Priest never spoke against Bush, maybe if they had we would not have had 4500 American troops lay dead or 3500 Americans dead during 911, but we attack the President who has made this country safe and trying to help kids with health issues, I wonder which one God is more proud of ?
JamVet
April 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Doomy, forget the camels. If you want some serious humping, go for a humpback whale.
Size matters!
Paul
April 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Adam
“The Catholic Church depends on membership, just like any other religion. The difference is it’s more direct and immediate.”
I can see that. But it’s as I said, interesting that a major religious faith should establish core beliefs by popular vote. “All in favor of believing Peter was not, in fact, the first pope and that the first pope was really Mary Magdalene? it’s a majority – they ‘ayes’ have it.’
gm
April 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Recon 0311 2533
I understand you have no answer””’
Mary Elizabeth
April 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Bishop Jenky’s words: “Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services, and health care.”
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It appears that the Bishop’s political vision is informing the his spirituality, rather than the reverse.
Just as Jefferson believed that the “mind of man” should have no impediment placed upon it (including, but not limited to, the purpose of the Constitution), Jefferson also rejected orthodox religion – of any strain – because of the limited and sometimes foolish interpretation of Biblical words by religious leaders, who are only human. Jefferson did, however, believe in God as the creator of the universe and in the words of Jesus Christ, but he did not attend church and, on his deathbed, was so convicted in his beliefs that he said that a neighbor, who was also a minister, could see him, but only if he entered his room as a long-standing friend and neighbor, and not as his minister.
Not every person who wears a bishop’s robe possesses wisdom, either of the world or of the next. Many congregants who are swayed by those of the clothe who lack spiritual depth would be wiser to think for themselves. However, unlike Jefferson, many have been programmed to be afraid to think for themselves, especially in matters of religion.
The Bishop’s communicated spirituality reinforces my perceptions that more important than words and logic, where religion is concerned, is spiritual depth and connection to the Creator in ways that transcend words and analytical thought. “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.” I Cor.13:1