Secret Service scandal suggests a culture run amok

Once in a while, a story comes along and I have no real reaction to it but … wow.

This is that kind of story, courtesy of The Washington Post:

Investigators now suspect that as many as 21 foreign prostitutes were brought by U.S. Secret Service and military personnel to the Hotel Caribe in Cartagena, Colombia, last week during a night of carousing, a dramatic increase in the number of women previously disclosed by government officials.

Officials said that 11 Secret Service and nine military personnel are suspected of the misconduct that took place in advance of President Obama’s trip to the country for an international economic summit. ….

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said Tuesday that Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan told her that 20 to 21 women were brought to the hotel last Wednesday night…. Two of the Secret Service personnel are senior agents paid at the top levels of the federal government’s pay scale, according to a congressional official with knowledge of the investigation.

And here’s a similar story from the New York Times, based on a different congressional source:

WASHINGTON — The Secret Service has uncovered evidence that all 11 personnel under investigation for alleged misconduct with prostitutes in Colombia before President Obama’s arrival there for a summit meeting last weekend had taken women to their rooms, Representative Peter T. King, the chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, said on Tuesday….

“The 11 agents are having different recollections about what happened or are not telling the truth,” said Mr. King, who was briefed on the investigation on Tuesday morning by the head of the Secret Service, Mark J. Sullivan.

If you have one or two agents cavorting with prostitutes on an overseas trip, you’ve got a case of one or two agents with very bad judgment. You get rid of the bad apples and move on. But 11 agents and nine members of the U.S. military, with up to 21 women brought back to the hotel?

And two of the Secret Service personnel are senior high-level people?

We don’t know all the facts in the case yet, but misjudgment on that kind of scale, with that many people involved or at least having knowledge of the situation, suggests that something may have gone seriously wrong within the culture of that agency. They apparently weren’t too worried about getting caught, and it doesn’t seem likely that this was the first time such an escapade has occurred.

Most importantly, while there is no evidence that the security of the president of the United States was endangered in this incident, an agency with this kind of internal culture could be easily manipulated by those with reason to do so. At the very least, the scandal has created a significant embarrassment for the U.S. government and put at risk the generally good reputation of the Secret Service.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

April 17th, 2012
3:57 pm

Representative Peter T. King, the chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security

for the record, that *should* be a major scandal.

callin’ sheetz…

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 17th, 2012
4:00 pm

21 prostitutes… American Exceptionalism!!!

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:04 pm

Where are those shocked GSA headlines?

Oh right. You get to go read a more balanced view from Jamie Dupree if you want sane balanced info.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 17th, 2012
4:04 pm

Well, seems to me they need to be hiring better looking, cooler Secret Service people. Have you seen these people in pictures? I mean, any woman would need to be paid big-time to sleep with them. It would be even worse if they didn’t wear those dark glasses. Just get a look and a listen to Scout.

I’m just sayin’.

Brosephus™

April 17th, 2012
4:05 pm

Not to make light of the situation, but they were not doing anything illegal. All in all, it appears that they were immersing themselves in the local culture. Sometimes you have to take a step back when looking at these kinds of things. Overall, the US culture is a very prudish and uptight culture when it comes to sex-related things, regardless to what people think. I can remember most of the rest of the world trying to figure out what was so bad while this country was going into toxic shock over the president getting a blow job.

Recon 0311 2533

April 17th, 2012
4:06 pm

The guy that broke this story is critical of Mark Sullivan. He alleges that there’s been a breakdown of discipline and morale as a result of Sullivan’s poor leadership. He also says that Obama and Sullivan are close but Obama needs to get closely involved in this scandal because it places his life as well as the lives of future presidents at high risk.

Brosephus™

April 17th, 2012
4:06 pm

You get to go read a more balanced view from Jamie Dupree if you want sane balanced info.

Yet, you come here every day without fail to make the same complaints. What’s that old saying about repeating something and expecting different results???

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:07 pm

Stupid secret service agents at work. They will be fired.

moonbat betty

April 17th, 2012
4:08 pm

Hillary and her entourage were wreaking late night havok in Colombia as well.

Does anyone know of their whereabouts at that time?

Barking Toad

April 17th, 2012
4:08 pm

Brings new meaning to 21 gun salute….

Jay

April 17th, 2012
4:08 pm

Recon, Sullivan is career Secret Service and has been director since 2006.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:09 pm

Regarding the members of the military, Jay, do we know what their jobs were?

I was tapped for White House Communications Agency when I was in the Army, and we were told during the selection process that we would often act as advance men for the President if we were chosen and if we accepted the job.

I wonder if some of the WHCAs were involved.

arnold

April 17th, 2012
4:09 pm

If the guys were single…….. what’s the problem? :-)

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:10 pm

Democrats are culling out their moderate members and going far left wing liberal as politico reports

Crazy liberal extremists

godless heathen©

April 17th, 2012
4:11 pm

“But 11 agents and nine members of the U.S. military, with up to 21 women brought back to the hotel?”

Somebody got 2?

Stonethrower

April 17th, 2012
4:12 pm

Good order and discipline starts at the top. What you permit you promote. We need a new commander with family values. Mitt 2012. Just thought I would get it out there.

Mr. Snarky

April 17th, 2012
4:12 pm

Sounds like a wild party…with hell to pay.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:12 pm

Most importantly, while there is no evidence that the security of the president of the United States was endangered in this incident
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Maybe, maybe not.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/16/11233411-possible-security-breach-secret-service-agents-had-presidents-schedule-in-rooms?lite

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:12 pm

Bro

Dupree’s?

It’s so popular no one goes there anymore. :)

JamVet

April 17th, 2012
4:12 pm

All of the Secret Service personnel need to take a bath and quit crapping on police cars…

Recon 0311 2533

April 17th, 2012
4:13 pm

Brosephus, the issues are that a breakdown in discipline could put the presidents life at risk because an agents attention could be diverted toward activities other than protecting the CiC. Also, this could lead to blackmail that could pose a serious breach in security. Evidently, many of those agents married with families. Not a good much less acceptable behavior.

Simple Truths

April 17th, 2012
4:13 pm

Another sign that government is the problem…

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 17th, 2012
4:13 pm

SS agent walks in the room and yells “happy endings for everyone” :-)

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:13 pm

Credit where credit is due…

Obama’s policy on fighting terrorists is working so well that this is the quality of leadership they are left with…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/taliban-commander-turns-self-in-for-reward-on-wanted-poster/2012/04/17/gIQAbVjqNT_blog.html

Prosper

April 17th, 2012
4:14 pm

This sex scandal made my liberal friends happy because they’ve longed for the good old days of the Clinton Administration.

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:14 pm

Can Obama run anything correctly? Appears not.

Simple Truths

April 17th, 2012
4:16 pm

Maybe the Secret Service got a bulk discount?

St Simons - he-ne-ha

April 17th, 2012
4:16 pm

Most wild parties have consequences.
Excep’ on de island mon. heheh

Recon 0311 2533

April 17th, 2012
4:16 pm

Jay, I’m just repeating what the guy that broke this story had to say. I’m certainly not stating a personal opinion.

getalife

April 17th, 2012
4:17 pm

Just pay the prostitute.

Geez.

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:18 pm

Recon

Not to mention risk of blackmail putting the president’s life at risk….

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:18 pm

TBG — “Maybe, maybe not.”

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/16/11233411-possible-security-breach-secret-service-agents-had-presidents-schedule-in-rooms?lite

That would be an OPSEC (Operational Security) violation if it’s true. I don’t know if prostitution is legal in Colombia or not, but even if it isn’t, IMO this possible OPSEC violation is what’s going to get the Secret Service agents and the servicemembers in the REAL hot water.

I would NOT want to be in their shoes. Even if they don’t get fired, they can kiss their security clearances goodbye.

Simple Truths

April 17th, 2012
4:18 pm

“Somebody got 2?”

godless heathen – Maybe it was Happy Hour!

Brosephus™

April 17th, 2012
4:18 pm

Recon

I know all that. I’m well aware of the blackmail thing too. What happened in Colombia is nothing compared to other places. I had family and friends in the military, and I’ve heard way too many stories about escapades at foreign posts. My point was not to distract from the potential disaster, but simply to point out that the focus on moral behavior is overshadowing the fact that nothing criminal was done. We champion our freedoms so very much, yet we have no problem at castigating people for our personal moral standings. Some were married, but neither you nor I know what their home situation is like. For all we know, the wives could have given them money to burn in that fashion.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 17th, 2012
4:18 pm

Hey, job openings at the secret service!

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 17th, 2012
4:19 pm

but Obama needs to get closely involved in this scandal

LAST thing he needs to do is “get closely involved” with this scandal. He needs to leave it to his Chief of Staff.

Ok, that’s two puns right there.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 17th, 2012
4:19 pm

“This sex scandal made my liberal friends happy because they’ve longed for the good old days of the Clinton Administration.”

I take it you enjoy the Larry Craig toe tapping type scandals huh…. give u a tingling feeling?

BADA BING

April 17th, 2012
4:19 pm

I wonder if those young girls could have been someone’s daughters?

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 17th, 2012
4:19 pm

Somebody got 2?

One of them complained she didn’t get paid. Clearly the agents are fiscal conservatives and didn’t want to pay for someone they didn’t use.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:20 pm

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:14 pm
Can Obama run anything correctly? Appears not.
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JM, please for the love of all things nutty and crunchy, explain how this is Obama’s fault?

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 17th, 2012
4:20 pm

Had to be a Republican SS agent arguing over $47 for services rendered….

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 17th, 2012
4:21 pm

Prostitution is legal there. What are you supposed to do with your evenings? Watch soccer?

godless heathen©

April 17th, 2012
4:21 pm

Thankfully my relative left the Service about 3 months ago. He said it is the most boring job you could imagine. Much of it is “Watch this door” for 8 – 10 hours. He wasn’t in that long and he said every time a trip to somewhere like Hawaii would come up, he’d get bumped for someone higher up. I’ll have to ask him if Columbia was one of the preferred locales.

JamVet

April 17th, 2012
4:21 pm

It figures that the undisputed heavy weight champion of blog nitwittery would post that second 4:14.

Huge LOL at the poor kid.

Permanent Obama Derangement Syndrome can be controlled if detected and treated early enough. Ask your doctor for AssAway. Do not use if you have an IQ over 70. May exacerbate your irritable bowel syndrome and cause delusions of relevance.

BlahBlahBlah

April 17th, 2012
4:21 pm

A government agency with a culture of abuse and corruption. There’s a surprise.

Gator Joe

April 17th, 2012
4:21 pm

Jay:
For your intellectually challenged readers, President Obama doesn’t “run” the Secret Service.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:22 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:18 pm
I would NOT want to be in their shoes. Even if they don’t get fired, they can kiss their security clearances goodbye.
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I think they have already pulled the SC of 11 agents.

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:22 pm

Obama’s ex girlfriends probably looked like those prostitutes. Where’s the sympathy or indignation?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:24 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:18 pm
That would be an OPSEC (Operational Security) violation if it’s true. I don’t know if prostitution is legal in Colombia or not,
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Also, it’s legal in certain zones. They even have “operators” licenses.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:24 pm

G. Heathen — “I’ll have to ask him if Columbia was one of the preferred locales.”

F. McCool — “Prostitution is legal there.”

I do not think you even need to ask. :D

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:24 pm

My Party

It’s widely known in government that Obama can’t even run a meeting. Much less anything else. He’s not highly respected.

ty webb

April 17th, 2012
4:24 pm

“Had to be a Republican SS agent arguing over $47 for services rendered….”

or a democrat SS agent expecting some other agent to pay for it.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 17th, 2012
4:24 pm

“Obama’s ex girlfriends probably looked like those prostitutes”

Is that how you normally go about choosing yours?

TM

April 17th, 2012
4:25 pm

Between this and the GSA issues looks like the administration needs to apply the sale rules it applies to companies that received bailout to its employees who receive tax payer money. But then again this is the administration that believes the rules only apply to us and not them.

Scooter

April 17th, 2012
4:25 pm

That stuff has been helping men ruin their lives for centuries.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:27 pm

TBG — “Also, it’s legal in certain zones. They even have “operators” licenses.”

So it’s something like the way it’s handled in Nevada?

CJ

April 17th, 2012
4:28 pm

I think that prostitution should be legal everywhere, and so I’m not overly outraged from that angle. I suspect that SS agents register as high in testosterone as anybody.

SS agents obviously broke agency rules, possibly local laws, and might have inadvertently supported human trafficking activities. If so, then the concern is justified.

But, is prostitution legal in Columbia? Were any of the women hired victims of human trafficking? I’d be curious to know.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 17th, 2012
4:28 pm

Wiki:

Prostitution in Colombia is legal as long as it is done in designated “tolerance zones”. [1]
Prostitution is widespread and exacerbated by poverty and internal displacement. Domestically, organized crime networks, some related to illegal armed groups, are responsible for human trafficking for sexual exploitation and the armed conflict has made a large number of internal trafficking victims vulnerable.[1]

Jay

April 17th, 2012
4:28 pm

I don’t know, Bro. If you wanted to thwart a presidential security detail, getting an agent drunk and then gaining access to his hotel room for the night — communications codes, equipment, maybe documents, who knows — might be one way to do it.

Now compound that by 11, including the senior officers ….?

Mr. Holmes

April 17th, 2012
4:28 pm

I wonder if those young girls could have been someone’s daughters?

I feel a high degree of confidence in asserting they are indeed daughters of someone(s).

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 17th, 2012
4:29 pm

Well, hopefully none of the girls were under 18.

josef

April 17th, 2012
4:29 pm

Breeders is messy… :-)

Two questions:

Was it on the government’s dime?
Were they on duty?

If the answer is no to both questions, whose d*mn bidness is it anyway.

Recon 0311 2533

April 17th, 2012
4:29 pm

Brosephus,

I haven’t read or viewed any commentary questioning morality. It’s a serious security issue and one associated with an agency that is expected to function at the highest possible level of efficiency and with the highest level of military like discipline.

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:29 pm

Tm

Yep time to fire the incompetent president

I think Michelle ties his shoes for him

Fred ™

April 17th, 2012
4:30 pm

A man who won’t F*** won’t fight.

General George S. Patton

What’s the big deal? They got laid. They paid for a piece of ass. It’s legal over there. No laws were broken.

Mr. Holmes

April 17th, 2012
4:30 pm

or a democrat SS agent expecting some other agent to pay for it.

Heh. Well played, deserving of a golf clap across the partisan aisle.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:30 pm

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:24 pm
My Party

It’s widely known in government that Obama can’t even run a meeting. Much less anything else. He’s not highly respected.
_______________________________________________________________________

He doesn’t run the Secret Service.

But don’t let that FACT stop your FACTLESS rant.

Please resume your previous FLAWED position.

Fred ™

April 17th, 2012
4:30 pm

Geez Rwecon, getting laid is a breach of Security? Really lol? I ain;t NEVER heard that from any of the SS Agents I know……..

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 17th, 2012
4:30 pm

I guess none of the SS agents were raised in South Carolina where the preferred partner is hooved.

Fred ™

April 17th, 2012
4:31 pm

Jeez Jay. Really? You think they leave documents and double nought secret agent codes lying on their bathroom vanities?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 17th, 2012
4:31 pm

I guess none of the SS agents were raised in South Carolina, where the preferred sexual partner is hooved.

Richard

April 17th, 2012
4:32 pm

Jay,

Help me out cause I think a number of questions need to be answered on this:

1. Is prostitution legal in Columbia?
2. Were the agents in some kind of violation of their job?
3. Did they pay for the services with government money?

If the answer to all three is “no” then what are we talking about?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 17th, 2012
4:32 pm

Yeah, they mighta grabbed one of the guys secret decoder rings.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:32 pm

This is written more from a business point of view than a military one, but given the resources available to the FBI, I think this makes it quite plain that the FBI agents involved in this really stepped on their own cranks (pun enthusiastically intended).

http://www.wikihow.com/Conduct-an-Operations-Security-%28Opsec%29-Assessment

The long and the short of it is ‘establish common-sense processes and procedures to keep your secrets and sensitive data from falling into the hands of others.’

Jm

April 17th, 2012
4:32 pm

I agree with Jays 4:28

(vomit sounds heard by person down hall)

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:33 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:27 pm
___________________________________

Yup, but they are now saying some of the ladies were underaged.

If so, I hope they find out who engaged with the underaged girls and throw the criminal book at them. They need to check camera phones.

Fred ™

April 17th, 2012
4:34 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:27 pm

TBG — “Also, it’s legal in certain zones. They even have “operators” licenses.”

So it’s something like the way it’s handled in Nevada?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

You never been to Germany? them ho’s be Guvmmint inspected onct a week and then issued their green cards (I’m serious,they were called green cards lol).

josef

April 17th, 2012
4:34 pm

JAY

I would assume they went through an agency and the ladies of the evening were vetted…

TGT

April 17th, 2012
4:34 pm

So what kind of “culture” is it embraces sexual promiscuity? What kind of “culture” is it that would lead to such activities as prostitution and government agents purchasing prostitutes?

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A LIBERAL ONE!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:35 pm

F. McCool — “Yeah, they mighta grabbed one of the guys secret decoder rings.”

I can’t tell you what the ’secret decoder rings’ I worked with in the Army actually were, but I *can* tell you that it would have been an OPSEC violation for me to let you *see* them, let alone get close enough to touch them.

JamVet

April 17th, 2012
4:35 pm

Perhaps all of the married men in this misadventure went to the Mark Sanford Secret Service School of Hiking the Appalachian Trail in Columbia…

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:35 pm

josef

April 17th, 2012
4:29 pm
If the answer is no to both questions, whose d*mn bidness is it anyway.
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josef, see my 4:33

BADA BING

April 17th, 2012
4:36 pm

I see why Clinton pushed so hard for NAFTA now.

Towncrier

April 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

“Overall, the US culture is a very prudish and uptight culture when it comes to sex-related things, regardless to what people think. I can remember most of the rest of the world trying to figure out what was so bad while this country was going into toxic shock over the president getting a blow job.”

On the job and while married…no problem, right??? No harm in adultery, right? Who cares if there was potential for blackmail? What was the stinking problem??? You really surprised me on that one, Brospehus. Are you a moral relativist?

josef

April 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

TGT

What planet are you own? It’s not called the world’s oldest profession for nothing….

FINN

Save the South Carolina sh*t for your tee-hees with Du-k-sha-nee…bigot….

Jay

April 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

Fred, I think they probably carry encoded cell phones/radios on their persons at all times, for example. I think they either have or have access to schedules, etc.

Mr. Holmes

April 17th, 2012
4:38 pm

So what kind of “culture” is it embraces sexual promiscuity? What kind of “culture” is it that would lead to such activities as prostitution and government agents purchasing prostitutes? …. A LIBERAL ONE!!!

Sincerely,
David Vitter

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:38 pm

TBG — “Yup, but they are now saying some of the ladies were underaged. If so, I hope they find out who engaged with the underaged girls and throw the criminal book at them. They need to check camera phones.”

Oh, now THAT kind of thing I’ve got no patience for. If that’s part of the charges, then anyone found guilty should be looking at prison time IMO.

Fred — “You never been to Germany? them ho’s be Guvmmint inspected onct a week and then issued their green cards (I’m serious,they were called green cards lol).”

Never got to Germany; most of my deployments were to Asia.

I didn’t partake, but from what I could tell, the prostitutes in South Korea and Thailand were mostly just tolerated by the authorities. The prostitutes in Japan I don’t know about; they were WAY above our price range. :D

Barking Toad

April 17th, 2012
4:38 pm

Story is Barack is tired of Michelle. The prostitutes were for him. They just have a flawed calendar and chronologically deficient pimp.

21 for the Prez. Props.

TaxPayer

April 17th, 2012
4:39 pm

I hope those Bush-era secret service agents at least had enough sense to use the proper contraception.

By the way, has scout chimed in on this issue yet. I was wondering if he has established his own special ____t*rd label for them.

Don't Forget

April 17th, 2012
4:39 pm

Even the government is outsourcing now.

Richard

April 17th, 2012
4:39 pm

TGT,

Actually, I’d argue it’s a “free” one.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 17th, 2012
4:40 pm

No matter what the topic.

“Us vs Them” MUST reign supreme.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:40 pm

Mr. Holmes — “Sincerely, David Vitter”

Ahahahaha! :D

josef

April 17th, 2012
4:40 pm

FROMAL BLACK GUY

But if the working girls were licesnsed by the state, wouldn’t that be a problem for Colombia to deal with…?

Of course, if they were underaged, then the boys were operating in the black market and THAT is cause for getting in a dither…imuo

Recon 0311 2533

April 17th, 2012
4:41 pm

Fred, we’re not talking about G.I’s getting it on with bar girls in a foreign port. We’re talking about an agency that’s tasked to protect the president and guard top secret information at the highest level. It has nothing to do with having sex it has everything to do with security. I seriously doubt your personal association with members of the Secret Service since you don’t seem to understand their charter.

BADA BING

April 17th, 2012
4:41 pm

Can you believe there is a scandal in Colombia that doesn’t involve COCAINE!

Brosephus™

April 17th, 2012
4:41 pm

Jay

Given the possible breach to security, do you think they kept the same arrangements or did they switch to an alternate plan? You’re talking about the same agency that takes a duplicate 747 along as a backup plan.

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Recon

So, your happening to mention that some were married had nothing to do with moral implications and was strictly based on security and their jobs?

TaxPayer

April 17th, 2012
4:42 pm

Will Fox be reporting this as Obama’s War on Conservative Women too?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 17th, 2012
4:42 pm

Veterans on the board — moral issues aside, can we agree that this appears to have been (among other possible things) a significant OPSEC violation?