When Newt lectures the NRA, hilarity ensues

"Which end does the bullet come out of?"

"Which end does the bullet come out of?"

“The right to bear arms comes from our Creator, not our government.”
– Newt Gingrich

“Thou shalt not kill.”
– God

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Most politicians wouldn’t dare use a speaking appearance before the National Rifle Association to criticize that powerful organization. But as Newt Gingrich demonstrated once again Friday, he’s not most politicians.

The NRA, he told the group’s annual convention, has been much too timid and moderate in its defense of gun rights. If elected president, he said, he will “submit to the United Nations a treaty that extends the right to bear arms as a human right for every person on the planet because every person on the planet deserves the right to defend themselves from those who would oppress them, those would exploit them, rape them or kill them.”

“Let’s take the George Soroses and the Hillary Clintons head on,” Newt said to the cheering crowd. “They represent a world in which elites disarm the rest of us so we are then helpless when elites turn sour and when evil reappears.”

mars-attacks-jack-nicolson-dies

Clearly, our Creator intended that all of his creatures, even Martians, be granted the right to bear arms.

Personally, I think Gingrich is himself being much too timid. Once again, he is failing to think in sufficiently grandiose terms. When our Creator guaranteed the right to bear arms (see below), surely He did not intend it to be limited to a planetary right, as Gingrich seems to suggest. Surely He meant it to be at least a solar-system right, if not galaxy-wide or universe-wide. It’s time that we acknowledge that.

The first step, of course, must be to guarantee that the right to bear arms extends to the moon base that President Gingrich will complete by the end of his second term. From there we can extend it to Mars, Jupiter, etc., and any other place where the elites might threaten to turn sour.

It is, after all, our duty as freedom-loving Americans — our Manifest Density.

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*True, in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus was quoted as saying that “whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him.” The naive might see that as contradicting the God-given right to stand your ground.

But as Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America tells us, that quote has been misinterpreted and taken out of context. The liberal media cut out the part where Jesus explained that as you turn your other cheek, “pull your Glock and blow that SOB (son of Baal) to Kingdom Come.”

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– Jay Bookman

711 comments Add your comment

Midori

April 14th, 2012
2:17 pm

Midori

April 14th, 2012
2:18 pm

p.s. –

Very, very funny Jay :lol:

josef

April 14th, 2012
2:43 pm

Okay, this IS funny and quite the break now that it’s not the Village Idiot stumping for the highest office in the land. I guess he’s also on staff as an “historical consultant” for the NRA

But, Jay, that quote from G-d is off target. “Thou shalt not MURDER.”
And as for Jesus and “turn the other cheek,” I repeat what Granddaddy taught me when I asked what you do when you get slapped there, too: “Well, Jody, the Scriptures are silent there. I prefer a .45!” But…what do the Pope and Canon Law say…are there special dispensations?

:-)

Oops Wrong Planet

April 14th, 2012
2:48 pm

Tellie B

April 14th, 2012
2:49 pm

Wow! Why/how is it that people continue to listen to all the craziness he spouts. Unbelievable.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
2:52 pm

Soros and Hillary Clinton?

They don’t scare me newt.

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2012
2:53 pm

Trayvon Martin’s mother said she wants an apology from George Zimmerman. I want a sincere, heartfelt apology from The NRA and all gun manufacturers for the 30,000 deaths that occur each year in the US from firearms. Of course, this will never happen as the NRA and gun manufacturers are vastly more interested in profit than human suffering and deaths.

All you gun defenders will fervently defend you “right to keep and bear arms”. And yet, anyone who truly understands American history and our Constitution knows the founding fathers never meant for the kind of personal gun ownership we currently have which insurers such a yearly slaughter.

josef

April 14th, 2012
2:54 pm

OOPS

There’s our Bruin fearless blog leader! Way to go Imam! :-)

TELLIE
Now that he’s out of the race, we can just have a good time.

“They’re making fun of me.”
“Nyan-unh. G-d made the fun. We’re just laughing.”

midori
Was that you I saw with the chick pearl handled revolver with your food stamps card at Whole Foods? :-)

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
2:54 pm

Wonder if this topic is intended to be critical of Gingrich or critical of gun ownership. Probably both I would guess. I’ll bet Jay is really cooking something up for Romney tomorrow.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
2:56 pm

The Hillary Clinton attack is for the 16 election.

I guess the newt will give it another try in 16.

josef

April 14th, 2012
2:56 pm

getalife

That Hillary and Soros one! That was just too funny!

getalife

April 14th, 2012
3:01 pm

josef,

I guess they ran out of people to be scared of :)

mm

April 14th, 2012
3:02 pm

@ josef @ 2:43

The human ability to rationalize was never on more prominent display that your quote of the 10 commandments as saying “Thou shall not MURDER.”

I’m not sure you’re presonally serious with that quote but many pseudo-religious gun nuts are when they make it. Growing up I always read the commandment as “Thou shall not KILL” (Charlton Heston told me so at least until he became NRA president) but when the conservative evangelicals were forced to acknowledge the Bible or change the way they define killing they chose to do the latter. The thnig about “Thou shall not bear false witness” was left by the wayside. Funny the way our personal biases get turned into revisionist history.

The lesson from this is how hopeless religion is at providing a true moral compass which must come from within. If it ain’t in your heart then it means nothing to you anyway. No book of dubious ancestry can convince me that killing is wrong. No twisted chain of rationalization can either. I just know it in my soul.

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:03 pm

BRUIN

SOB, Son of Baal? A great one. May I add it to my repertoire? :-)

getalife

Newt in ‘16? Probably, some people don’t know when to give up!

Curtis Rivers

April 14th, 2012
3:03 pm

I completely agree that God gives us the right to bear arms. That is why most humans are born with two of them.

Midori

April 14th, 2012
3:04 pm

midori
Was that you I saw with the chick pearl handled revolver with your food stamps card at Whole Foods?

of course it was!!!!

how do you like the rims on my Jaguar?? :lol:

Truth-O-Meter

April 14th, 2012
3:05 pm

So, did God give this right to all peoples of the world? Does this God-given right to bear arms apply to nuclear arms, too? Then why are we upset with Iran and North Korea? A nuclear weapon is considered arms. If we follow Newt’s (ill-)logic, those nations can claim a God-given right to nuclear weapons to protect themselves (no matter if they call their god Allah, or Buddha).

Where does the madness end?!!!

getalife

April 14th, 2012
3:06 pm

Midori,

I got the 20’s that spin with my food stamps :)

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:10 pm

mm

Not to ruin the fun with a too serious discussion of philosophy, theology, myth, legend and history, but that was not rationalizing. It was a simple statement of fact, much as your distinction between outright lying and bearing of “false witness.”

You would have carried a lot more weight, however, had you not fallen heir to your own prejudices and rationalizations with “a book of dubious ancestry.” The ancestry of said book is pretty well established, springing from the story of Gilgamesh and coming forward from our Mesopotamian Cradle of Civilization.

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:14 pm

midori

So,that was your Jag? You had Geronimo’s Caddilac (buy American, d*mmit) blocked in. He’s got the G-d given right to carry that tomahawk and stand his ground.

getalife
Better watch out for Soros and Hillary…money and brains…can’t beat that…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
3:15 pm

JAY: Surely you can do better than that ……………. pretty sad.

A) “The right to bear arms comes from our Creator, not our government.”
– Newt Gingrich

“Thou shalt not kill.”
– God

B) “He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.”
Psalms 18:34 (Old Testament)

“But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!”
Luke 22:36 (New Testament)

“Thou shalt not MURDER (emphasis).”
God

Wikipedia: ”

“The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.

The Torah and Hebrew Bible made clear distinctions between the shedding of innocent blood and killing as the due consequence of a crime.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_murder

mm

April 14th, 2012
3:17 pm

@ josef,

Oh no! You were serious. I hoped you had a wry sense of humor but you have now exposed yourself as a “true believer.” Good luck with that whole Constantine baselining of the “true meaning” of the Bible thing.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
3:17 pm

And Jay, if you want extra credit regarding the right to protect oneself in the cosmos, this is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUIXH9DeCRU

TaxPayer

April 14th, 2012
3:21 pm

Nice, Jay. You do have a knack for putting things in perspective. :smile:

I’ll bet the Newt wishes he had a brain the size of that one in that Martian. He could easily become Supreme Commander of all Moonbased lifeforms.

Anyway, Tis surely a most gloriously pollenated day out doors. Fortunately, the new 48 inch cutter transforms what was once a nearly all day task into something that I can breeze through in a few hours and then get back out of that pollen.

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:22 pm

News just in…our Bruin has been adopted into the Native Nations for all his services on behalf of the Indigenous Nations’ right to rise to their defense. He has been given his Indian name…Wa’-do!

http://www.craftsandmorestore.com/images/2-13-10/Indian%20bear.jpg

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
3:27 pm

josef:

Here is what a REAL LIBERAL anti-Second Amenment person does when faced with the scary truth:

“The case of African-American journalist Carl Rowan. When it gets “personal” opinions change very quickly and dramatically !!!

Carl Thomas Rowan (August 11, 1925 – September 23, 2000), was an American government official, journalist and author. Rowan was a nationally-syndicated op-ed columnist for the Washington Post and the Chicago Sun-Times. He was one of the most prominent black journalists of the 20th century.

Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot a teenage trespasser, Neil Smith, who was on his property illegally. He was charged for firing a gun that he did not legally own.

Rowan was arrested and tried. During the trial, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate.

In a 1981 column, he advocated “a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period.” In 1985, he called for “A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel).” [4][5]

Private gun ownership had been illegal in the District of Columbia since 1975 [6] and the facts of the case were the talk of the town for many days.

Rowan was tried but the jury was deadlocked; the judge declared a mistrial and he was never retried. In his autobiography, Rowan said he still favors gun control, but admits being vulnerable to a charge of hypocrisy.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rowan

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:28 pm

mm

And I can’t have a wry sense of humor and be a “true believer” at the same time? I am a believer, how “true” a one is up to question. I make no claims to have any patent on the “truith” along these lines. And “exposed” myself as? I’ve never tried to “hide” it.

I have no problem with Constantine’s “baselining” as you put it. From the historical perspective, the transferral of the Hebraic tradition and its grafting onto the Roman, Western tradition required such.

RF

April 14th, 2012
3:30 pm

Somehow I think the little green guys hiding out on Mars have weapons we couldn’t take on with a Glock, IMO.

Nice to see the Bible references and a Wikipedia reference for interpreting one of the Ten Commandments. I only hope after we get them reposted in all the courthouses that there will be a translation book on a stand nearby. I wouldn’t want anyone coming in for trial for murder to misunderstand, you know…

“I’ll bet the Newt wishes he had a brain the size of that one in that Martian. He could easily become Supreme Commander of all Moonbased lifeforms.”

You didn’t tell anyone you had been part of his election team, did you? I thought that was plank numero uno in his platform! ;-)

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

ZamVet

Careful, there! You liable to find yo MOT ass classified as a “true believer…” whatever that is… :-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
3:31 pm

Truth-O-Meter:

“Where does the madness end?!!!”

When God finally destroys all evil. In the meantime, we are to fight it as best we can whether its someone trying to snatch your grandchild at the mall or a new Hitler.

If you have trouble recognizing either I truly do feel sorry for you.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
3:33 pm

scout,

Did you fail to pay the prostitutes too?

TM

April 14th, 2012
3:34 pm

“The right to bear arms comes from our Creator, not our government.”
– Newt Gingrich

The right to require all citizens of the United States to purchase heath insurance comes from our government, not from our Creator.
–???

RF

April 14th, 2012
3:35 pm

““The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.”

josef: sounds like Constantine’s baseline has been redrawn if you ask me. Sounds like the Good Book is being rewritten as we speak. Pretty soon there’s gonna be the KJV, the NIV, and PRV (Pat Robertson Version).

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

RF:

“Nice to see the Bible references and a Wikipedia reference for interpreting one of the Ten Commandments.”

Surely you can do better than that quip. Wikipedia simply gave the Hebrew word differences if you chose to read it. Go to any Rabbi if you really want to learn what that Commandment means.

Or, if you want to stick to your interpretation, then no one can ever be killed. Not by a police officer, soldier, husband protecting his family from murder, etc.

If THAT what you really believe ???

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

Excuse me:

“Is” THAT what …………………

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

RF

The PRV…I don’t care who you are, thass funny! :-)

However, the point ZamVet and I are trying to make is that these Hebrew words are quite distinct and refer to entirely different concepts. The false witness distinction is not some moral piety, but the “law” of the whole truth and nothing but the truth when called folr testamony in a court of inquiry.

SCOUT
Ooooh, let’s not bring in the rabbis…you just lookin’ for a fight if you do that! :-)

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

First of all, I hope everyone is enjoying the weekend.

Brought to you by………………………….. labor unions!

Newt’s latest boobery can only be surpassed by his next even bigger boobery. Josef is right, the guy is the village idiot. Alas, it our Georgia village.

In Judaism there is the concept of Tikkun Olam – “healing the world”.

Sending Newt to his moon base, along with his violence addicted enablers, would be a good step in that direction…

Rightwing Troll

April 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

Rightwing Troll

April 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

Newt looks pretty comfortable with that rifle… I’ve never seen such a manly man handle a shootin iron that gingerly… lap it up fools…

pogo

April 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

God, even the Secret Service has gotten sleazy under Obama.

RF

April 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

“If THAT what you really believe ???”

NOPE, but I don’t think I accept a Wiki that basically anyone can post as the authority on it either. Look, if somebody is trying to grab my kid, I’ll take whatever measures are necessary-DUH. I’m just not sure I want to end up on the receiving end of somebody’s 45 because I took the parking spot they wanted at Wal-Mart either- and believe me, I’ve had a few experiences with being cussed a blue streak over that. There has to be a reasonable balance, and I think recent events clearly show that not just anybody ought to be carrying and walking around with the false confidence a gun gives them. Too many end up in situations where the doggone thing gets used that they might have had sense enough to avoid if they didn’t have the gun. Just an opinion.

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

ZamVet

Much agreed on Tikkun Olam and sending Newt to the Moon Base…I think that was what Mo Maimonides had in mind! :-)

larry

April 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

For 6 months out of the year, i bear arms. For the other 6 months, i cover them up.

Y’all just forget that part about a well regulated Militia.

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:55 pm

larry

And a lot of the “militia” forgot about “well regulated…”

RF

April 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

josef: a few moral disagreements with Southern Baptists in life have made me a bit suspicious when a discussion of guns and God get going. I’ve got a few neighbors who have so much ammo stored up right now the dang metal detector wigs out at the street! If one of their houses ever catches fire, they’ll have to evacuate the whole neighborhood. Probably would blast the house on up to the Moon for Newt and his buddies to use when they get there…

TaxPayer

April 14th, 2012
3:57 pm

God, even the Secret Service has gotten sleazy under Obama.

Those were hardly secret service men. More like Secret ServiT*rds. They disgrace our nation.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

Y’all just forget that part about a well regulated Militia.

That part has been excised from the Republican lexicon.

Now we have utterly unregulated vigilantes killing innocent teenagers because they fit “suspicious” racial stereotypes…

larry

April 14th, 2012
3:59 pm

josef

April 14th, 2012
3:55 pm

I agree.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
3:59 pm

“God, even the Secret Service has gotten sleazy…”

Baloney. What they did was get CAUGHT.

Foghorn Dawghorn

April 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

all you liberal commie lamestraem media whimps ain’t gonna take our my guns. obama, hillary or that you-know-whats soros ain’t gonna take ‘em either.

newt ‘12!

Matti

April 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

There’s not one single thing about Mr. Gingrich that isn’t utterly and completely repugnant. In a word: YUCK.

As for guns, I used to be anti-gun until the right-wing “Christians” that dominate my corner of the world went out of their way to convince me that they’re anything BUT Christ-like, that they don’t value my life one iota, that women should have only the rights men say we should, and that — oh yeah — *I* am the cause of all *their* problems because I voted for the black guy and believe that people should have access to affordable health care.

Consider me converted! And… get off my lawn you lying, narcissistic, rightie pukes! *BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!* ;)

josef

April 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

BTW

Hope y’all got through your Friday 13th intact…and that one? Not a superstition at all, brought to you by my Great Whatever Grandpappy…one bad ass mo fo, ole Guillaume was… :-)

getalife

April 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

scout ignored prostitute-gate.

I bet the agents are good Christian cons like scout.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:03 pm

JamVet: The gun gives them a sense of confidence they wouldn’t otherwise have. I happen to know I’m a skinny guy that wouldn’t last five seconds in a fistfight with most people, but put a nice revolver in my hand and I’m Barney Fife! I don’t have a problem with gun ownership, I just wish it weren’t so in vogue right now. I make sure it’s daylight out before I take the trash can to the curb nowadays, just in case a near-sighted neighbor is looking for boogey-men.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:05 pm

Matti: remember to look all scared and tell the cops they threatened you…;-)

josef

April 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

matti

Hey, girlfriend… converted eh? Have you been watching GCB?

RF
Those neighbors of yours…have you thought of relocating? :-)

getalife

April 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

I don’t leave home without mine and looking at all the recent con shooting sprees in our country, I keep an eye on our cons.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:10 pm

Of course, if ya’ll have been watching nay of the Ancient Aliens shows on TV, you know that when the Mayan calendar ends is when the green guys will be back to visit, so I don’t expect my grandpa’s deer rifle is going to do me much good.

larry

April 14th, 2012
4:10 pm

I dont have a problem with gun ownership , either. What i do have a problem with it carry and conceal, and with people being able to purchase assult rifles.

What the members of the nra do not realize is that the nra does not promote responsible gun ownership. Thats why George HW Bush and Al Gore tore up their nra membership cards.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

josef: nah, they’re nice enough people to talk to most days and at least I know where they are. I have noticed a decided decline in the vermin population eating my tomatoes and cucumbers in the last couple of years, so who am I to complain? :-)

TaxPayer

April 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

The last thing we need are North Georgia militia with more fire power after having been brainwashed by the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity, et al. They’d do well to re-learn those Biblical passages and place more emphasis on NOT killing anything that doesn’t look like them and talk like them and walk like them. The bible does not say to wage war because then you’re justified in your killing.

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2012
4:13 pm

I look forward to the day when all you gun nuts can find a better phallic substitute to calm your insecurities.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
4:13 pm

Remember the good old days when Mr. Gingrich was considered one of the intellectual giants in the GOP by the members of that party?

What??!

He still is??!

Never mind…

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
4:14 pm

“I dont have a problem with gun ownership”

Me either. I just think everyone who owns a gun should be required to be a member of, and attend regularly the training of, a citizens militia.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
4:14 pm

RF@3:47

Well, thanks for clearing that up. Seriously, as I knew you could not have meant what you really indicated the first time.

The bottome line?

“Thou Shalt Not Kill” does not mean “kill” as Jay would have us believe.

It means “murder”.

Will he (Jay) ever clear that up? I doubt it unless he truly would let his family be slaughtered right in front of him.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
4:15 pm

Anyone on here ever note the term “rabbithole” being used ?

My turn not to go down one ………….. until ALL the facts are in.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:15 pm

“I look forward to the day when all you gun nuts can find a better phallic substitute to calm your insecurities.”

But it does get one such nice looks from the folks when you stop to buy beer at the 7-11…

josef

April 14th, 2012
4:16 pm

ZamVet

It’s not hard to be an intellectual giant in the Land of the Lilliputians…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
4:17 pm

Doggone:

In every one of the Bill of Rights the word “people” refers to individuals.

The Supreme Court ruled it means”individuals” in the 2nd Amendment and has thus ruled against
your viewpoint.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

Prostitute gate is a rabbit hole scout?

Just thought you would opine on the matter.

Jm

April 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

Related and funny line I heard today:

If Zimmerman was scared of black people before he killed Trayvon, just wait until he gets out of jail if he’s acquitted, then he really will have something to worry about

Funny, in a morbid sort of way

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
4:19 pm

What?

Mr. Occutard himself is not quite ready to slur the entire US Secret Service based on the actions of a tiny handful?

I’m impressed…

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
4:20 pm

“The Supreme Court ruled it means”individuals” in the 2nd Amendment and has thus ruled against
your viewpoint”

I suggest you educate youself on exactly what a CITIZENS MILITIA is. It’s NOT the armed forces, just to get you started.

Matti

April 14th, 2012
4:22 pm

josef,

Haha! Nope, not into GCB. My conversion came in 2009 after I saw how mentally unhinged my Republican neighbors had become at my CongressWeasel’s town hall meeting on health care reform. The very presence of a quiet dissenter in their midst was too much for some of them. Not one person stepped in when a man twice my size stormed over to me, red-faced and hollering, jabbing his fat angry finger in my face… where I was SEATED with my child. What a despicable bunch of self-righteous blowhards they are. Disgusting.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:24 pm

@0311: I try to be reasonable, but I still don’t totally agree with the Wiki either. I’m not sure how “justified” killing is when one is the initiator of a war, but I’ll withhold a decision on that one until I can consult the big guy myself one day.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
4:26 pm

Doggone:

No, it’s not the armed forces or the reserves.

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

My point still stands.

Even if you are too old for the “militia” you have the right to bear arms as a “person”.

The Supreme Court says so. If you disagree ………. you can take it up with them.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
4:27 pm

You see the loose constructionist neocons and their activist judges think that the United States Constitution is a living, breathing document.

And that the meanings change with the times.

Economist Thomas Sowell in his Knowledge and Decisions argues that since the original designers of the Constitution provided for the process of changing it, they never intended for their original words to change meaning.

Oops…

I guess they contend that the need for a well regulated militia still applies today.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:27 pm

“I suggest you educate youself on exactly what a CITIZENS MILITIA is. It’s NOT the armed forces, just to get you started.”

No, but they are armed, and do seem to attract the reasonable and the unhinged alike. I wonder if they really have a truly devoted membership that would accept the decisions of their leadership should such leadership decide NOT to shoot. There are some very good people I know who have considered joining a militia or have been asked to, but have hesitated for just that reason. They’re not all as well-organized and controllable as they should be.

josef

April 14th, 2012
4:28 pm

matti

I’m a fan of GCB…I KNOW them folks! :-)

But as for your conversion…yep! Make a “true believer” out of just about anybody.

A Dissenter, ‘ere ye? It’s good company, imuo…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
4:28 pm

RF:

There is a time when a just pre-emtive war must be initiated.

For example, had one of our submarines spotted the Japanese fleet the night of 12/6/41 should we have attacked at dawn? YOU BET !

It happens in law enforcement everday. Nowhere is there a rule that the bad guy gets to shoot first.

Kim

April 14th, 2012
4:30 pm

Our missiles may not work, but our guns do

getalife

April 14th, 2012
4:31 pm

I don’t think a citizen militia can take on our military.

Heck, even the police are militarized now.

I can’t believe scout will not opine on a scandal with this President.

Amazing.

RF

April 14th, 2012
4:32 pm

Matti: in their eyes, he wasn’t “threatening” you, he was just trying to clear up your obviously socialist brainwashing. Something tells me that if you had pulled out a gun, you’d have been made the bad guy. I tell you, I don’t sit with my back to the door at most places any more, not because I’m afraid of some “thug” that might try to steal my fries, but because I want to make sure I can see the way out when some dummy pulls out his 45 because he doesn’t like the way some “suspicious” character is walking around.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
4:34 pm

getalife, I thought for sure he would start calling them Secret Servitards.

His restraint in not labeling the entire organization is perplexing, huh?

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2012
4:36 pm

joseph – 3:14

In fact, we have no idea who actually wrote either The Old or New Testament. All we have is copies of copies and the actual authorship is completely unknown.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
4:37 pm

Jam,

I liked how our President replaced the whole team.

His quick reactions to scandals is very good.

Matti

April 14th, 2012
4:39 pm

RF,

You’re right. Bullies always feel justified in their behavior — behavior they would not tolerate from somebody else! I too am more cautious now than ever, but generally do not carry a weapon with me. (The real reason there’s no gun in my car: Too many folks on I-285 NEED killin’… and they want me to do it or they wouldn’t be driving that way. And while I sympathize that they NEED killin’, I don’t want the responsibility, and well, the temptation would be too great!)

larry

April 14th, 2012
4:41 pm

Heck, even the police are militarized now.

They had to. Have you seen the amount of assult weapons used in committing crimes these days?

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2012
4:42 pm

Scout

The current conservative members of the Supreme Court are nothing more than political hacks totally subservient to the Tea Party Republicans. I would not want such dubious characters to validate any of my core beliefs.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
4:44 pm

larry,

Yeah, I remember a bank robbery in LA when they were out armed.

It looked like a movie.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
4:45 pm

God, even the Secret Service has gotten sleazy under Obama.

I bet some people blame Obama for their neighbor’s dog taking a crap on their front steps. :roll:

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
4:48 pm

I wonder if Newt was watching this movie the night before his speech…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmvnXKRfdb8

That may have led to his epiphany on the right to bear arms.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
4:48 pm

pogo is a tad biased :)

TaxPayer

April 14th, 2012
4:53 pm

I don’t see why scout cannot bring himself to comment on those secret servit*rds and their improper behavior. After all, he’s so quick to jump on the bandwagon whenever he hears about the occupy crowd or anything birther, etc. And in this case, those guys are clearly guilty as sin. Probably even responsible for a bunch of little aborted ones to boot. Got wabbit.

paulo 977

April 14th, 2012
4:53 pm

Curtis Rivers

April 14th, 2012
3:03 pm
————————————————–
Ha Ha Ha Ha
“If we couldn’t laugh we would all go insane”
Robert Frost

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
4:54 pm

pogo is a tad biased

A tad my ass…. :)

midtownguy

April 14th, 2012
4:55 pm

The secret service should be smart enough not to get caught, that is what bothers me.

It is all about not getting caught. If Petrino had paid his babe the $20,000 is cash and gotten a well-placed alumni to give her a cushy job she wasn’t qualified for instead of giving her a job with the university he would still be the head football coach at the University of Arkansas. What is it about those folks from Arkansas that they can’t manage to not get caught.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
4:56 pm

TaxPayer

That’s an easy one. A partisan will not fire on his own group.

paulo 977

April 14th, 2012
4:57 pm

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2012
4:42 pm

Scout

The current conservative members of the Supreme Court are nothing more than political hacks totally subservient to the Tea Party Republic
______________________________
Of course ….they singlehandedly dealt us George Bush!!!!

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
4:58 pm

“They’re not all as well-organized and controllable as they should be.”

I’m not talking about renegade militias. I’m talking about what the Constitution is talking about: well-regulated miltias. Since that is the justification for having the right to bear arm, I happen to think it should be a requirement as well. How can you have a “well-regulation militia” if the citizens who own guns aren’t a part of it?

getalife

April 14th, 2012
5:00 pm

Thou shall not speak ill of another con.

I wonder why he did not pay her?

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
5:02 pm

How can you have a “well-regulation militia” if the citizens who own guns aren’t a part of it?

Seeing that most conservatives are anti-over regulation, the phrase “well-regulated” could mean that the fact that you have the right to bear arms makes it “well-regulated”. Anything more would be “over-regulated”, and they would squeal for repeal. :)

Pooper scooper

April 14th, 2012
5:03 pm

“I bet some people blame Obama for their neighbor’s dog taking a crap on their front steps”

My neighbor’s dog has created more shovel ready jobs than Obama.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
5:04 pm

Bro – no doubt! Too many anti-gun people read that part of the Constitution as meaning only the military can have guns. I do, and always have, disagreed with that interpretation…but since it DOES mention a militia (not military) then I think that should be part of owning a gun. That you have to be part of an official militia and participate in regular training as a part of that militia.

josef

April 14th, 2012
5:08 pm

Carlos

Of course we have an idea…you have yours and I have mine…and if you would break from your (anti) Christian perspective long enough to look at history, you would find that for Jews this is not even a question…the “final document,” so to speak, the Tanakh, was set down between roughly 400-500 BCE and 200 CE. This is within the historical period and we can name several of those who worked on it, i.e. the “writers.”

As for argument over their translations and writings, that began with the first draft and pretty much has gone on ever since.

I do not presuppose to speak for the Christians and their interpretations of the myth, legend, and history.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
5:12 pm

That you have to be part of an official militia and participate in regular training as a part of that militia.

I could buy that interpretation. With the original language, we did not have an army, but would raise one as needed. That would lead me to think that you are walking along the right path. To be able to raise an army on short notice, you would need to have some prior idea of how it would be formed. There would also have to be a baseline of training unless you wanted people just shooting each other. Like you, I don’t buy the “only the military” interpretation at all. The one question I would have regarding what I’ve stated is, how would us having a full time standing army change their original intent of the 2nd?

PlatinumBlack

April 14th, 2012
5:14 pm

Hey Jam — Bruno is dragging me to the Variety on Thursday night. I have you to blame… ;-)

Looking forward to seeing you there.Should be fun.

This is dedicated to Bruno, who is my baby, and to Newt who has a giant baby head:

http://youtu.be/imWnuirIL8o

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
5:15 pm

“With the original language”… **of the Constitution. I thought it, but didn’t type it out. :)

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
5:16 pm

“how would us having a full time standing army change their original intent of the 2nd?”

I don’t think it does. As WWI & II showed us, a standing army can need to be vastly increased on “a moment’s notice” – where better to draw recruits than from an already trained (if not experienced) militia?

I think the writers of the Constitution easily saw the need for both a citizens militia and a standing army.

josef

April 14th, 2012
5:16 pm

Back in a while…

I leave you constitutional scholars to your work on the secular law and ZamVet in charge of the Bet Din… :-)

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2012
5:16 pm

josef – 5:08

How can I have an anti-Christian perspective if I’m commenting on the Old Testament? If fact, that body of writing was done by Jews in Egypt but we don’t actually know their names and the original documents are long since lost to history.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
5:16 pm

They had a good imagination and it reads like an ancient fiction book.

We are a tiny part of a huge galaxy and the idea of how galaxies in space were formed will probably never be proven like the Bible.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
5:26 pm

PB, niiice.

I’m glad I looked it up and got the date right, because he woulda been highly PO’d to have missed it!

We’ll have a good time, again…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mPLXsgznUo

josef

April 14th, 2012
5:26 pm

Carlos
You love that “in fact” preface, doncha? :-)

Get your time lines straight…the body of writing was NOT done by Jews in Egypt. First off, they weren’t Jews yet, they were still Hebrews becoming Israelites. Secondly, I know the Chosen are supposed to have an inside line on the celestial goings on, but you mean to tell me they knew how it was all going to go down before Mo made his appearance?

getalife
The fiction thing is just plain tacky. There’s myth, legend and history. The three often cross. A “book of fiction?” No doubt there’s plenty there, along with plenty of legend and plenty of history.

And again, this is a Christian cultural argument…and (anti)Christians often don’t know a metaphor when it whaps ‘em upside the head…

Oh, well, this time I really (I think) am gone for a while…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 14th, 2012
5:26 pm

Well, I got to have a Liscence to Carry. You can’t stick a M-60 machine gun in your coat pocket, much less a anti-tank weapon. You got no choice but to carry them.

Anyhow, even Jesus was a hypocrite about violence. He preached against it but used a whip—a weapon—to drive the money-changers out of the temple.

Old Newt might look like the Pillsbury Dough Boy, but he talks a mighty mean game. It’s just too bad so many people held a few affairs and ex-wives against him. Now we’ll have to hope Mr. Mormon Underpants goes whole hog and wants a law to make everybody carry a gun. I might could excuse this Matti from it. She sounds exackly like the kind of person you wouldn’t want near a weapon.

You’ll be glad to hear I shot a 62 for the 18 at Countryland Golf Club. We played tees from the fairway and automatic one putts. I had only 18 putts, which is more than any of the pros could say. Bunch of duffers.

Have a good Saturday night everybody. If you act civil, you might be welcome up at Billy Bob’s.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
5:27 pm

Well, why wouldn’t Gnute come in favor of guns in front of the NRA? I mean, it’s just logical.

Me, I want to know that I can pack heat when I’m a janitor on Gnute’s moon base! Lord knows what kind of funky space alien’s liable to attack me there!

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
5:28 pm

Well I see we’re still on guns and believe it or not Gingrich gets some relief as most of the posts deal with guns rather than with Newt whose no longer a factor in the Republican nomination. Given the huge number of legal gun owners in this country and the fact that the overwhelming majority do not commit violent crimes it only takes a little bit of common sense for one to conclude we don’t have a gun problem among the majority of gun owners. We do, however, have a problem with criminals and that’s where the focus should be directed.

Bruno

April 14th, 2012
5:29 pm

Jam–I may be coming to Atlanta tomorrow. Do you want me to pick up your ticket for you??

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
5:29 pm

Doggone

I’m following that… I could see that viewpoint.

Bruno

April 14th, 2012
5:35 pm

Hey Brosephus–Looks like you got a few more of the ladies here worked up with your Black Power speech the other day. Let’s hope your wife isn’t the jealous type…..

Do I get any credit for the assist?? ;-)

Lomax

April 14th, 2012
5:36 pm

When God was quoted above as commanding “Thou shalt not kill”, the word that was used for “Kill” is more correctly translated to mean murder, which makes more sense. This I have been told and it makes sense to me, therefore this is how I interpret it.

barking frog

April 14th, 2012
5:39 pm

What, in the original
constitution, allowed
the government to
infringe on the rights
enumerated in the
amendments or are
the amendments
redundant?

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
5:39 pm

B, yes please.

I always loved his vocals. No falsetto, no gimmicks, just sweetness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8VHHcd0M_o&feature=related

Michael

April 14th, 2012
5:41 pm

Better be careful Newt. Spread guns too far and maybe some of the 17 men, women, and children shot by the American Sergant would have shot him. Maybe some of the 17 civilians killed by the private security force in Baghdad would have shot them.
Americans have the unique view that we are qualified and well-trained to use weapons. The explosion of self defense claims after one American shoots another bely that view.
It would make more sense, if you had to take the basic combat infantry course, or the basic training for a police officer, before you carried a gun around. My biggest worry in the US is that there are so many fools walking around thinking their gun makes them smart.

Bruno

April 14th, 2012
5:44 pm

I always loved his vocals. No falsetto, no gimmicks, just sweetness

I haven’t seen any info about the show, I’m wondering if it may be just him and his acoustic guitar like the Jon Anderson show in 2010. Might be hard to make any money otherwise. I’m sure he’ll play all of his ELP hits, hoping that he’ll throw in some King Crimson tunes as well.

Is there anyone you might like to invite as well?? Hmmmmm?? LOL.

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
5:45 pm

“My biggest worry in the US is that there are so many fools walking around thinking their gun makes them smart.”

That’s more of a personal supposition than an arguable fact.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
5:45 pm

“My biggest worry in the US is that there are so many fools walking around thinking their gun makes them smart.”

Well, just damn! All this I thought it made my penis bigger!

Midnight Train

April 14th, 2012
5:45 pm

I thought that Newt made it back to Georgia already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Q6YX6ikZY&feature=fvsr

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
5:45 pm

Do I get any credit for the assist??

It’s all on you bro!!! :) She’s not the jealous type as she knows where the check goes and where I lay my head every night. ;)

The stuff I said is why I don’t really like to dig too deep into that discussion in this type of format. Stuff like that is better discussed over a beer.

salamander

April 14th, 2012
5:48 pm

No concern for all the crazy people who should have no business bearing arms. I don’t want to live in a world where people shoot first, ask questions later. Sounds like Newt wants that.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
5:49 pm

B, unless he brought someone along who can pound on a Hammond organ and Moog synthesizer, I don’t think there will be too much prog stuff!

For Matti…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn-UZwtLfH4

Jack

April 14th, 2012
5:49 pm

Newt’s wife has a small pistol.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
5:51 pm

Lomax

April 14th, 2012
5:53 pm

Brosephus: The words “well regulated” in the Second Amendment mean, in today’s language, well functioning, therefore the Second Amendment is saying that a well functioning militia is necessary in a free society therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
5:57 pm

Sooth, for being a live performance, the mix on that thing is insanely good. I’m guessing it was doctored up for the documentary, but who knows?

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
5:58 pm

Lomax

I understand what the words “well regulated” mean. My post was a riff on the idea of how everything is over-regulated nowadays if you buy into the current conservative rhetoric. Most of their platform is removing things with the idea that less regulation is better for the country.

Kim

April 14th, 2012
6:00 pm

French music is much better than American music

Get on the bus!

April 14th, 2012
6:01 pm

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
6:01 pm

Another awesome, heart wrenching performance from that epic concert…

Sometimes I feel
like a motherless child
a long…..way……from my home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=fA51wyl-9IE

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
6:02 pm

“Most of their platform is removing things with the idea that less regulation is better for the country.”

Nope, smaller less intrusive government is what conservatives believe is best for the country. Over regulation is just one symptom of a centralized government that has grown out of control.

Old Retired English Professor

April 14th, 2012
6:07 pm

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Well, that introductory phrase isn’t attached to anything grammatically. It’s what’s called a nominative absolute, much as “Dinner having been eaten, we went to the den.” You may think it provides a condition, but grammatically it does not. If the amendment had been written Because a regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, then the introductory clause becomes conditional, providing a rationale for the second clause. In the instance of the amendment, there is no condition placed on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Make of that what you will, but as the amendment is written, there is absolutely no precondition of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It’s yet another instance in which the way something is stated says everything about the content of the statement.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:07 pm

“therefore the Second Amendment is saying that a well functioning militia is necessary in a free society therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Certainly, I can agree with that…but how can it be “well functioning” if the people are not well TRAINED? Hence my opinion that if you own a gun you should be required to be a member of a citizens militia and attend regular training.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:08 pm

French fries are much better than . . . well, American fries.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
6:09 pm

Nope, smaller less intrusive government is what conservatives believe is best for the country.

And part of that is accomplished by removing regulation that is deemed excessive. Hence your acknowledging over regulation in your next sentence. While I did not describe the idea, I did not err in the means to the end.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:10 pm

OREP: you da man! I just wished I’d paid more attention in English class instead of looking at them girls.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:10 pm

“French fries are much better than”

Did you know that “French Fries” are actually not the correct name for those?

Meanwhile...

April 14th, 2012
6:13 pm

….the “Buffett rule.”

The policy goal is to impose an effective minimum tax of 30% on the income of anyone who makes more than $1 million a year. When President Obama first proposed this new minimum tax he declared that the rule “could raise enough money” so that we “stabilize our debt and deficits for the next decade.”

Then he added: “This is not politics; this is math.” Well, remedial math maybe.

The Obama Treasury’s own numbers confirm that the tax would raise at most $5 billion a year—or less than 0.5% of the $1.2 trillion fiscal 2012 budget deficit and over the next decade a mere 0.1% of the $45.43 trillion the federal government will spend. When asked about those revenue projections, White House aide Jason Furman backpedaled from Mr. Obama’s rationale by explaining that the tax was never intended “to bring the deficit down and the debt under control.”

Okay. So what is the point?

The goal, Mr. Furman explained, is to establish a “a basic issue of tax fairness.” Millionaires should pay an effective tax rate no lower than a middle-class secretary or a plumber. But wait: IRS data show that middle-class workers on average pay just under 15% of their income in federal taxes, while the richest 0.1% pay almost twice as high a rate on average, or 26%.

RF

April 14th, 2012
6:13 pm

“Too many folks on I-285 NEED killin’… and they want me to do it or they wouldn’t be driving that way. And while I sympathize that they NEED killin’, I don’t want the responsibility, and well, the temptation would be too great!)”

Therein lies one of the biggest problems with everyone packing heat…there’s too much temptation to use it (although I’m with you on the 285 idea- SHEESH I didn’t know so many idiots could pass a driving test!)

Doggone/GA: It’s the definition of “well regulated” that gets murky with the whole citizens militia thing. I’m sure if you ask any of the vigilantes out there, they’d swear to be well regulated- and most are according to their notion of right and wrong. For that matter, look at any of the kooks we’ve had running dictatorships throughout history. Their definition of well-regulated might, in point of fact, be very similar to our own, but their application of was totally wrong. A militia of that sort would end up becoming a parallel military establishment if done right and enough leadership put in place to keep it all organized. Seems a bit worrisome to me.

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
6:14 pm

Micky D’s has the best fries call them French or American but last I heard McDonald’s is an American company and I’ve seen their locations all over the world. Okay time to mosey, I’ll let the anti-gun loons enjoy themselves on this thread.

Bruno

April 14th, 2012
6:14 pm

Off to the Arena Football game. No rest for the weary……

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:16 pm

You mean they ain’t really Franch frahs? What’s the World a’comin’ to?

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:17 pm

“A militia of that sort would end up becoming a parallel military establishment if done right and enough leadership put in place to keep it all organized. Seems a bit worrisome to me.”

Well, yes…that’s what an official militia IS. But if a well-regulated militia is the background reason for the 2nd amendment…and it IS, then it’s my opinion that anyone who owns a gun should be required to be IN such a militia and attend regular training. Please note that the gun comes first in my opinion. It comes second in the opinion of those who read the 2nd amendment as only allowing members of the military to bear arms. I do not agree with that.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:18 pm

“You mean they ain’t really Franch frahs?”

Nope, they aren’t. They’re “French fried potatoes” – “French frying” is the process, not the end product.

Meanwhile...

April 14th, 2012
6:18 pm

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.

Elmer T. Peterson

ByteMe - Political thug for sale

April 14th, 2012
6:21 pm

This just in…

Hillary Clinton and George Soros videotaped a message for the NRA convention. The audio has been transcribed as follows:

BOOGIDDY-BOOGIDDY-BOOGIDDY

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:22 pm

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government”

The problem with that statement is that it is true of ALL forms of government.

RF

April 14th, 2012
6:22 pm

OREP- I’ve taught high school WAY too long. I missed that obvious grammatical point of fact. If we read it with proper grammatical emphasis, then it could be understood that the right to bear arms is dependent on the existence of a well-regulated militia, meaning that only those in the militia should be carrying weapons. That would not go over well with the NRA folks, I’m afraid.

Doggone: well, the barn door’s open and the horse is gone on the idea of ownership being tied to training. I absolutely agree with you on the point of the necessity of training. I don’t fear the cop, the soldier, or the retired member of either. I fear the average Joe out there with one concealed in his Levi’s who thinks the gun gives him power he doesn’t know how to handle appropriately.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:24 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
6:24 pm

Old Retired English Professor
April 14th, 2012
6:07 pm

Thank you sir/madam. However, many on here have no idea of what you just proved.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:25 pm

“I fear the average Joe out there with one concealed in his Levi’s who thinks the gun gives him power he doesn’t know how to handle appropriately”

Yup!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
6:25 pm

French Fries ! Did someone say French Fries ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFxGPkPTyw

RF

April 14th, 2012
6:26 pm

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”

Up to the comma after loose fiscal policy, and you summarized GWB’s two terms perfectly. Of course, the SCOTUS sealed the deal with Citizens United, in my opinion, or at least made it much, much easier for the “majority” to become the ones with the most cash to buy an election. And we thought the Mob was bad…

when the right to bear arms

April 14th, 2012
6:26 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
6:28 pm

“I fear the average Joe out there with one concealed in his Levi’s who thinks the gun gives him power he doesn’t know how to handle appropriately”

How about the hundreds of thousands of unaverage Joe’s out there with one concealed in their wasteband who knows it gives him power to conduct his illegal activity and knows how to handle it
just enough to continue to rape, murder and pillage ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
6:30 pm

What are the four biggest hunting states in the Union ?

Pennsylvania
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Texas

Jane

April 14th, 2012
6:30 pm

It is a cold day in hell because I agree with Newt!! Every person should have the right to own a gun! It’s not the people who have them legal that causes the problem!

kayaker 71

April 14th, 2012
6:32 pm

With people like Holder and Bozo and their minions trying to interpret the Constitution in the spin that they advocate, we may never again have the right to bear arms. Fast and Furious was a failed attempt at bringing more regulation and eventual absolution of our rights regarding protecting ourselves against intrusion and bodily harm. As long as there are those out there who would intentionally harm me and my family, I have a right to fight back. Liberals are really amazing to me. If you don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. But just don’t think that you can take mine away just because you don’t think I should have one.

Old Retired English Professor

April 14th, 2012
6:32 pm

Thank you sir/madam. However, many on here have no idea of what you just proved.

Sir:

I hope that I have just proved that, at least grammatically, there can be no constitutional restriction on the right to keep and bear arms—no anti-gun laws, no restrictions on the right of people to keep and carry guns wherever they go, etc. In short, the amendment does not state that gun ownership and possession are conditional upon one’s being a member of a militia. Much as some, including I, would wish otherwise, the amendment is not written to proscribe gun ownership and possession to anyone, including the insane. If I have been unclear, I extend my apologies.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:34 pm

“It’s not the people who have them legal that causes the problem!”

George Zimmerman owned his gun legally.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
6:35 pm

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.

I think we’re well on our way to disproving that one. We don’t have a majority voting itself largess. We have a minority that is duping people into voting for the interests of that minority under the guise that they support the interests of the majority. Voting in the favor of that minority is allowing them to gorge themselves on the public treasury and the public itself. In other words, it’s not always the majority that does that. There is the possibility of a well funded, well choreographed minority pulling off the same feat.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
6:36 pm

“In short, the amendment does not state that gun ownership and possession are conditional upon one’s being a member of a militia.”

I don’t know that I agree with that. They are clearly tied together.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
6:37 pm

However, many on here have no idea of what you just proved.

What he has proved is that anybody supporting laws restricting gun possession by anybody, felons included, are supporting laws that do not follow the Constitution.

kayaker 71

April 14th, 2012
6:42 pm

Doggone, 6:34.

And George Zimmerman has not been proven guilty or innocent.

F. Sinkwich

April 14th, 2012
6:43 pm

“If you don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. But just don’t think that you can take mine away just because you don’t think I should have one.”

Lib ilks always know what’s better for you than you do.

See light bulbs, toilets, algae, etc.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:44 pm

America’s wars are very expensive. Bush and Obama have doubled the national debt, and the American people have no benefits from it. No riches, no bread and circuses flow to Americans from Washington’s wars. So what is it all about?

The answer is that Washington’s empire extracts resources from the American people for the benefit of the few powerful interest groups that rule America. The military-security complex, Wall Street, agri-business and the Israel Lobby use the government to extract resources from Americans to serve their profits and power. The US Constitution has been extracted in the interests of the Security State, and Americans’ incomes have been redirected to the pockets of the 1 percent. That is how the American Empire functions.

The New Empire is different. It happens without achieving conquest. The American military did not conquer Iraq and has been forced out politically by the puppet government that Washington established. There is no victory in Afghanistan, and after a decade the American military does not control the country.

In the New Empire success at war no longer matters. The extraction takes place by being at war. Huge sums of American taxpayers’ money have flowed into the American armaments industries and huge amounts of power into Homeland Security. The American empire works by stripping Americans of wealth and liberty.

This is why the wars cannot end, or if one does end another starts. Remember when Obama came into office and was asked what the US mission was in Afghanistan? He replied that he did not know what the mission was and that the mission needed to be defined.

Obama never defined the mission. He renewed the Afghan war without telling us its purpose. Obama cannot tell Americans that the purpose of the war is to build the power and profit of the military/security complex at the expense of American citizens.

This truth doesn’t mean that the objects of American military aggression have escaped without cost. Large numbers of Muslims have been bombed and murdered and their economies and infrastructure ruined, but not in order to extract resources from them.

It is ironic that under the New Empire the citizens of the empire are extracted of their wealth and liberty in order to extract lives from the targeted foreign populations. Just like the bombed and murdered Muslims, the American people are victims of the American empire.

When you write that check to the IRS on Tuesday, remember this post. Where would this World be without Paul Craig Roberts? You rock!

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
6:46 pm

We were intended to be a Republic not a Democracy. I like the concept of United States as it has served us well. Transformation into something other than that is not what Americans have fought and died for. I believe the majority of Americans today would not accept anything less than the traditional system our founders established.

barking frog

April 14th, 2012
6:47 pm

If newt thinks the UN can
grant gun rights to the
world, he must think the
UN can take gun rights
from the world.

F. Sinkwich

April 14th, 2012
6:50 pm

Sooth can do the ol’ Granny C&P two-step.

Like Granny, he can’t think for himself either.

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
6:51 pm

barking frog,

as a conservative I’m glad that the choice in November will not be one of deciding between Barack Obama or newt Gingrich.

kayaker 71

April 14th, 2012
6:51 pm

Recon, 6:46,

Unfortunately, fight and dying is not the major concern of most Americans today, especially the twenty somethings. They have never known fight and dying. The Wall Street protestors have absolutely no idea what it is to fight and die for most anything except some Democrat sponsored pipe dream. And die for it? Not on your life. As long as they can tweet, text, Facebook and watch American Idol, they could not care less about what Americans fight and die for. It is a world a galaxy away from their reality.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:52 pm

“Sooth can do the ol’ Granny C&P two-step.

Like Granny, he can’t think for himself either.”

WTF does that mean?

F. Sinkwich

April 14th, 2012
6:55 pm

Think, Sooth.

Nevermind.

godless heathen

April 14th, 2012
6:55 pm

Drive by because there is no arguing with the gun grabbers. Jay told me one night that the NRA wants cops killed because they opposed bans on “cop killer” bullets. Jay is well informed on many issues but on gun rights, his knowledge seems to come solely from the Brady Bunch.

And oh yea. The hoopla about “cop killer bullets” was a total fabrication. Bullets coated with teflon don’t penetrate body armor better than any other bullet.

“Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal.”

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
6:56 pm

kayaker 71, You may be right but I hope you’re wrong. I may be too idealistic but I still believe as a country we’ll return to the roots that made us great. I might not be around to see it but I hope it will for my children, grandchildren and the future generations of all Americans.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:56 pm

Fish Sandwich: please enlighten us all. What do your nebulous posts mean? If anything? WTF does C&P two-step mean? I mean really? What does it mean?

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
6:59 pm

Isn’t it amazing that when you present the truth — such as in the article by Paul Craig Roberts — “worms” like Fish Sandwich come out of the woodwork with nonsensical bullshyte with no meaning whatsoever to try to muddy up the water.

F. Sinkwich

April 14th, 2012
7:00 pm

Well, Recon, reelecting O’bozo will accelerate hopelessness.

We can beat him, but it will take some work.

barking frog

April 14th, 2012
7:02 pm

Recon,
Agreed. I hope this
is Newt’s last run but
probably not.

F. Sinkwich

April 14th, 2012
7:02 pm

C&P: copy and paste.

Granny has a DNC gold card for that.

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
7:02 pm

F. Sinkwich, The un-election of Obama is paramount. This will be in my opinion the most important election of our time.

F. Sinkwich

April 14th, 2012
7:03 pm

Double post. Don’t know why. Sorry.

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
7:03 pm

Fish Sandwich: I’m sure that Jay will support me on this. You’re a dumbass!

deegee

April 14th, 2012
7:04 pm

Could there be any more sour an elite than Newt Gingrich? Evil reappears whenever he stands behind a lectern. When is that fat b@st@rd going to give up already?

BADA BING

April 14th, 2012
7:06 pm

The Gov’t said that the SS agents involved in the prostition scandal were relieved. Yeah, prostitutes are good at that.

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
7:08 pm

Sooth, If Jay holds true to his own rules you could/should draw a flag on your 7:03. We shall see.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
7:08 pm

BADA:

Bumper Sticker:

“Secret Service Agents Do It With Protection”

Soothsayer

April 14th, 2012
7:08 pm

I’m off to watch a movie. If anyone bad-mouthes me while I’m gone I gonna get your ass! I’ll be checking in! So watch it!

getalife

April 14th, 2012
7:11 pm

Hillary 16.

Boom.

F. Sinkwich

April 14th, 2012
7:12 pm

Sooth:

“You’re a dumbass!”

I feel the luv from a lib ilk.

BADA BING

April 14th, 2012
7:15 pm

Dems claim that there is a Republican War on Women. I claim that there is a Liberal Lesbian War on Hetero Mothers. My war is better because it has violence and Lesbians. That is 2 real crowd pleasers right there. You heard it first here.

BADA BING

April 14th, 2012
7:25 pm

NRA bumper stickers for the Solar System

“When Phasers are outlawed, only outlaws will have Phasers”

“They can have my Light Saber when they take it from my cold, dead hands”

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
7:28 pm

“And George Zimmerman has not been proven guilty or innocent”

and did I say anything about either one? He owned his gun legally and he caused a lot of trouble. That was all I said and all I meant.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
7:30 pm

“We were intended to be a Republic not a Democracy”

We are a democracy with a republic form of govnerment. A republic is not by definition any particular type. It can be democratic, socialistic, communist, whatever. We are a DEMOCRATIC republic.

George Watson

April 14th, 2012
7:33 pm

If we didn’t know he was serious, one might suspect he was being sarcastic. Noting the absurdity of his demagoguery, one might be cynical enough to assume that not only is there a profit motive behind this kind of claptrap, but an unspoken hope that the millions of the less fortunate will turn the guns on themselves and eliminate many of their own numbers… as is often the case in the slums of America. The wealthy, however, already pay for private security.

kayaker 71

April 14th, 2012
7:40 pm

Doggone, 7:28,

He “caused a lot of trouble”? How so? Nothing has been proven, except in the court of media approval, that Zimmerman did anything wrong. He only caused a lot of trouble for one person, Travvon Martin. No one else. And for what? We don’t know yet. Mr. Zimmerman deserves the right to a grand jury investigation, a good look at the facts and, if it comes to that, a fair trial. Nothing more.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
7:43 pm

“He “caused a lot of trouble”? How so?”

It’s obvious it’s not YOUR kid that’s dead.

RF

April 14th, 2012
7:50 pm

“just enough to continue to rape, murder and pillage ”

Anyone with a gun, legally or illegally, has that potential. How many crimes are committed by gun owners with permits? I don’t know, but I’d hazard a guess that number has gone up with the stress of the recession. I think after following this debate, it’s the idea that one can have a gun without any training whatsoever that bothers me. And unfortunately, to agree with you somewhat, it’s the illegal owners that often have the most practice with them, if not the sense to understand the power they wield.

kayaker: If he hadn’t followed Martin on foot after he was told not to by the dispatcher, the likelihood of us having this discussion would be much less. Not to say something wouldn’t have happened, but the odds would be much, much less. I’m waiting to see how the trial unfolds and what the prosecutor has that we don’t know about yet. My hope is that this case, regardless of legal outcome, will make gun owners stop and think about how carrying their gun affects their decisions. In stressful times like we are in economically, socially, and politically, rational decisions are easy to pass up, and sometimes even easier if one feels he has power given solely by possession of a gun. I teach teenagers all day, so I see irrational decision making as part of my daily life!

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
7:52 pm

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

April 14th, 2012
7:53 pm

Zimmerman “caused a lot of trouble” for his own family, Trayvon Martin’s family, the citizens of Sanford and the state of Florida, not to mention the upset in our country!

Dick Grace

April 14th, 2012
8:02 pm

Most bible students believe we are in the very last hours of the last day, I John 2:18. We look to Joel 3:9-16 and understand what lies ahead. You might borrow a bible and look it up. It won’t make any sense to you, I Corinthians 2:14, but it might lead you to understand what is obvious to those that are believers.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
8:10 pm

Mr. Zimmerman deserves the right to a grand jury investigation, a good look at the facts and, if it comes to that, a fair trial.

I believe he has a right to a fair trial. Not necessarily does he have a right to a grand jury investigation.

Normal, plain and simple

April 14th, 2012
8:12 pm

While I support the 2nd Amendment, I do not and will not support the NRA. I think every member of their leadership was neutered during circumcision and guns are all they have left to play with. I just don’t get them anymore. Absolutely nuts, pure and simple.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
8:19 pm

Recon

From your link:

The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man….

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general.

I guess it depends on what you consider “The Minority” as to how you protect their God-given rights. Seems like there was one person very important person who didn’t know the difference either. Given his position at the time, you would think he would know the difference.

President Bush opened his second term Thursday with a promise to the people of the United States and the world — vowing to promote democracy both at home and abroad.

“It is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world,” Bush said in his inaugural address after his swearing-in ceremony.

http://articles.cnn.com/2005-01-20/politics/bush.speech_1_ideologies-that-feed-hatred-bush-pledges-human-freedom?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

November 7, 2003
WASHINGTON — President Bush laid out a broad vision Thursday of an American mission to spread democracy throughout the Middle East and the rest of the world, saying, “Freedom can be the future of every nation.”

Engendering democracy across the Middle East “must be a focus of American policy for decades to come,” the president said in a speech to the National Endowment for Democracy, a federally funded foundation that promotes reform abroad.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.bush07nov07,0,5347312.story

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
8:21 pm

“Not necessarily does he have a right to a grand jury investigation.”

Brosephus, that may become an issue in the judicial process favoring Zimmerman. Having said that with what I can determine albeit without all of the facts, Zimmerman is most vulnerable on what might be unlawful pursuit if the prosecution can prove he stepped outside of the “stand your ground” law by following Martin and provoking a confrontation that led to non-justifiable death.

Recon 0311 2533

April 14th, 2012
8:29 pm

Brosephus, while there’s a close relationship there is also a distinct difference between a democracy and a republic. Our founding fathers were very wise in establishing our nation as a republic. Democracy is a term banded about by many in government and outside government including GWB as you reference, however, it doesn’t change anything substantive.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
8:32 pm

Recon

From what I’ve read thus far, the 2nd Degree murder charge is commonly used when a fight results in the death of a person. That charge does not require that the evidence has to go before a grand jury either under Florida law. From the evidence that I saw, I believe you have nailed a big part of the prosecution’s case, and that will be the hardest for Zimmerman’s lawyers to rebut based on Zimmerman’s own dialogue with police.

I think it will be hard, but not completely impossible, to defend how he was allegedly attacked between buildings when he stated he was headed back to his truck. His reason for exiting his truck was to get the address off a building, but that action would have left him in front of the building and not between them.

The one thing everything boils down to in court though is not what really happened. Everything depends on what you can prove/disprove.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
8:34 pm

The main reason the special prosecutor did not go the grand jury route is that she was very
afraid of a “no bill” vote.

In my opinion.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
8:40 pm

Scout

I think it was because of the possibility of not being able to find people to objectively look at the evidence. The city of Samford had the 911 tapes, the initial police report, and other odds and ends on their public website for anybody to download and look at. I think that has the potential to taint both grand jury proceedings and the actual trial. I honestly think the whole idea is to go with the 2nd degree murder in order to get a plea deal to avoid a trial because of how much was available over the open internet.

That’s just my opinion though.

td

April 14th, 2012
8:51 pm

Jay,

“Thou shalt not kill.”
– God

The actual correct interpretation is “Thou shall not murder”. Huge difference.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

April 14th, 2012
8:52 pm

I agree, Normal. Great column, Jay.

Shine

April 14th, 2012
8:59 pm

looks like the NRA will be supporting President Obama in Novemeber as Mitt Romney is a gun grabbing extremist!! If Romney gets elected he will outlaw “assault” weapons nationwide like he did in Massachussettes!

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
9:01 pm

From CBS news:

Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law allows even the original aggressor in a fight to use deadly force – if that person becomes reasonably afraid of being killed or seriously hurt.

This may be the most f’d up thing I’ve ever heard. It’s a law that promotes “lawlessnes” to any reasonable person. Someone attacks you, you fight back, they shoot you when you start to win and they walk free.

Anybody care to defend this?

Shine

April 14th, 2012
9:01 pm

Td —it says thou shall not kill in my Bible like the Constitution says shall not be infringed. Be consistant and take everything literally or everyone will catch on that you are a kook.

Gunluvr

April 14th, 2012
9:02 pm

I think you’re trying to be funny?! Am I right? You’ll find that Life NRA members like me don’t have a sense of humor relating to our right to keep and bear arms.

Well at least the blog doesn’t read like the NY Times.

barking frog

April 14th, 2012
9:04 pm

Don’t Forget
That’s reasonably
accurate and the
self defense can change
more than once.

Shine

April 14th, 2012
9:06 pm

Gunluvr , if you take your guns serious like I do you will vote for President Obama in November. Mitt Romney is a well documented gun grabber and second ammenment flip flopper.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 14th, 2012
9:07 pm

Brosephus:

I hear you but I “think” they could have used a grand jury anywhere in the state. If they can’t find an impartial grand jury how would they ever find a trial one?

I think she tried to do somethng to diffuse the situation and in doing so may have made it worse down the road “if” he is acquitted.

I don’t see him (but could be wrong) cutting a deal as going to prison even for a year or two would be a death sentence. Someone would get to him.

Time will tell.

getalife

April 14th, 2012
9:09 pm

zimm profiled him then was told not to follow him.

That law is not in play after his actions.

Guilty.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
9:18 pm

“there is also a distinct difference between a democracy and a republic”

Yes, there is. In car terms a republic is a truck, a democracy is a Ford (or Chevy, or whatever) – they are not by any means interchangeable.

BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS

April 14th, 2012
9:21 pm

carlosgvv

April 14th, 2012
2:53 pm
FYI – 16K are from suicide and 12,500 are by career criminals

Newt Is A Son Of A Gun

April 14th, 2012
9:26 pm

Enter your comments here

M. Charles Major

April 14th, 2012
9:29 pm

It’s “Thou shalt not MURDER”. There is a difference between killing and murder. If you want to quote the Word, at least do it correctly.

M

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
9:31 pm

If they can’t find an impartial grand jury how would they ever find a trial one?

Bingo!!! That’s why I don’t think it will go to trial. Zimmerman could do a short stint in protective custody kinda like what they do for cops and stuff.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
9:33 pm

After the British were defeated a centralized, national government was seen by George Washington and company not as a method of extending freedom and the right to vote, but as a way of keeping control in the hands of rich. They wrote several anti-democratic provisions into the U.S. Constitution. Slavery was institutionalized. The Senate was not to be elected directly by the people; rather Senators were to be appointed by state legislatures. The President was not to be directly elected by the voters, but elected through an electoral college. The Supreme Court was to be appointed. Only the House of Representatives was elected directly.

More important to our democracy-versus-republic debate, the U.S. Constitution left the question of who could vote in elections to each individual state. In most states only white men who owned a certain amount of property could vote. So, on the whole, the first federal government that met in 1789 was a republic with only a fig-leaf of democratic representation. This is what today’s commentators mean when they say America is a republic, not a democracy.

Fortunately (for the democrats), the early federal government was not very powerful. In state after state it became easier for white males to qualify to vote. And slowly, decade after decade, our republic became a democratic republic.

At the national level the major steps toward democracy can be marked by amendments to the U.S. Constitution. The Bill of Rights guaranteed limits to the power of the federal government. The Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery. The Fourteenth Amendment effectively extended the vote to all adult male citizens, including ex-slaves, by penalizing states that did not allow for universal male suffrage. The Fifteenth Amendment explicitly gave the right to vote to former slaves. After the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments did not extend suffrage to women, a vigorous campaign for the vote was launched by women, who received the vote through the Nineteenth Amendment in 1920.

But the main Amendment that tipped the scales from the national government of the United States being a mere republic to being a true representative democracy was the often-overlooked Seventeenth Amendment, which took effect in 1913. Since 1913 the U.S. Senate has been elected directly by the voters, rather than being appointed by the state legislatures. That makes the national government democratic in form, as well as being a republic.

Gotta get my soothsayer on at least once tonight. ;)

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

April 14th, 2012
9:34 pm

Re NRA (or not), I LOVED Charlton Heston until he went all nutsy with the NRA; anybody else here remember WILL PENNY?

deegee

April 14th, 2012
9:34 pm

td thinks that it is a sin to kill the unborn but it’s okay to kill prisoners convicted of murder. He/she says that someone has to bring justice to the dead. I wonder who brings justice to the dead prisoners that were exonerated after some DNA evidence was analyzed. Oooops.

ragnar danneskjold

April 14th, 2012
9:35 pm

Only pagans and leftists do not know the difference between “thou shalt not murder” and “thou shalt not kill.” Good conservatives know there are people – like Anwar al-Awlaki – who need killing.

Gunluvr

April 14th, 2012
9:46 pm

Shine, all of these candidates make my head swim when I think about their anti-gun plots. So far the current president seems to be indifferent about them; Mitt Romney recently became an NRA Life Member and he signed a weapons ban bill into law as MA Governor, so I don’t think either of them is a true 2nd Amendment believer. Do you?

I trust the guys who have consistently showed up at the conventions over the years when I’ve been there like Senator Charles Grassley from Iowa and our own Zell Miller. Romney is a fair weather NRA member and gun owner.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
9:48 pm

“Only pagans and leftists”

I discount your remarks about leftists, because on that you are proven clueless…but I’d be MOST interested in how you acquired your vast knowledge of what pagans do or don’t “know”

getalife

April 14th, 2012
9:55 pm

cons have no idea what they are talking about.

Soros gave Hillary a billion to run in 16.

Boo.

td

April 14th, 2012
9:58 pm

deegee

April 14th, 2012
9:34 pm

td thinks that it is a sin to kill the unborn but it’s okay to kill prisoners convicted of murder.

Please get my quote right. I have said over and over that it is murder to kill the unborn.

Ahem

April 14th, 2012
9:59 pm

Fool. You, not Gingrich.

RF

April 14th, 2012
9:59 pm

“Only pagans and leftists do not know the difference between “thou shalt not murder” and “thou shalt not kill.”

Oh see, I think you’d find most pagans probably understand it better than the far right does these days. As those lemmings take the dive off the stupid cliff, the pagans are laughing. The ones I know actually have a far better balance of life, less stress, and a far better grasp on how on life than most, and some even own guns!

Newt Is The REAL Son Of A Gun

April 14th, 2012
10:01 pm

Newt is a despicable person.

I hope the NRA and Newt realize that ALL freedom-loving Americans (Black, Latino, etc.)

HAVE GUNS.

And they to can pull their Glock and blow a SOB (son of Baal) to Kingdom Come.

Not just the ones who ADVOCATE for them.

RF

April 14th, 2012
10:01 pm

Oops, meant to type “on how to live life than most”. It’s hell getting old and the fingers getting disconnected from the brain sometimes…

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
10:08 pm

Good conservatives know there are people – like Anwar al-Awlaki – who need killing.

Except when it’s Obama giving the ok. Then it’s grand displays of Grand Mal-like behavior.

Newt Is The REAL Son Of A Gun

April 14th, 2012
10:09 pm

The difference between liberals and cons:

Cons brag about their guns.

Liberals lie in wait. :)

moonbat betty

April 14th, 2012
10:20 pm

If guns are outlawed, only liberals will have guns.

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:26 pm

I think the state of Georgia should do what Kennesaw did. Pass a law that all homeowers are required to have a gun Or two guns, or maybe three. A pistol for short range, a rifle, and a shotgun.

Works for Switzerland and Isread.

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:27 pm

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
10:28 pm

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:26 pm

I think the state of Georgia should do what Kennesaw did. Pass a law that all homeowers are required to have a gun Or two guns, or maybe three. A pistol for short range, a rifle, and a shotgun.

So long as it’s not health insurance, lol.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
10:33 pm

Pass a law that all homeowers are required to have a gun Or two guns, or maybe three.

Haven’t we already had the debate and foregone conclusion that national mandates are unconstitutional? :)

RF

April 14th, 2012
10:37 pm

Well, if they’re going to require them to have guns, then they have to require them to have health insurance. Some of the folks I know would need both in the same day if you put a loaded gun anywhere near them!

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
10:38 pm

Bro – welllll…he did limit it to the state of Georgia!

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:44 pm

Haven’t we already had the debate and foregone conclusion that national mandates are unconstitutional?

____

Don’t tell that to the people in Kenesaw.

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
10:45 pm

I thought that state constitutions couldn’t take away rights granted by the US constitution. So if the US can’t require health insurance, how do the states get away with it.

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:46 pm

Bro – welllll…he did limit it to the state of Georgia!

-___________________

We should continue to set the trend for the rest of the country.

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:47 pm

Like requiring car insurance if you drive a car. You don’t drive a car, you don’t have to buy insurance.

If you don’t buy a house, you don’t have to buy a gun.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
10:48 pm

A democracy?

You’re fooling yourself.

We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We’re taking turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week–

But all the decisions *of* that officer ‘ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting–

By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs–

But by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major–

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
10:49 pm

“If you don’t buy a house, you don’t have to buy a gun”

If you don’t have health, you don’t have to buy health insurance

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:50 pm

Don’t Forget

April 14th, 2012
10:45 pm
I thought that state constitutions couldn’t take away rights granted by the US constitution. So if the US can’t require health insurance, how do the states get away with

______

Mass does not require you to buy the insurance. You have the option to not buy it and pay a tax to cover the cost you will burden the state with for your ultimate use of the health care system.

Congress made the mistake of calling it a penalty instead of a tax. That is what gave some of the Justices a hard time, at least that was there question. How can the govt. now claim it’s a tax, which they can do, when the bill calls it a penalty, which they can’t so clearly do.

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:53 pm

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
10:48 pm
___________________

What are you talking about. I flipped back a page and still could not find anything to which you may have been responding.

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:55 pm

ggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
10:49 pm
“If you don’t buy a house, you don’t have to buy a gun”

If you don’t have health, you don’t have to buy health insurance

__________

That’s the whole point. Everyone has health, good or bad and will need care. Either pay for it yourself by buying insurance, or pay a tax to pay for it in advance. You never know when that 18 wheeler is going to smash your car and leave you in a coma.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
10:59 pm

“That’s the whole point. Everyone has health, good or bad and will need care”

You’re preaching to the choir you know.

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
11:00 pm

Oscar, recon brought up the misguided, oft parroted right wing talking point that the USA is a republic and not a democracy.

As though the terms are mutually exclusive.

The skit is from an obscure set of British comedians by the name of Monty Python.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
11:00 pm

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
10:59 pm
“That’s the whole point. Everyone has health, good or bad and will need care”

You’re preaching to the choir you know.

—————-

Yes, it suddenly dawned on me. Is there another issue. Or is not to late for me to take the other side.

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:03 pm

Well, if you’re fast and you see that 18 wheeler coming you can shoot it!

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
11:03 pm

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
11:00 pm
Oscar, recon brought up the misguided, oft parroted right wing talking point that the USA is a republic and not a democracy.

As though the terms are mutually exclusive.

The skit is from an obscure set of British comedians by the name of Monty Python.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

______

Yes, I have seen him and scout take that positiion in the comments before. I have never bothered to try to argue with them. I used to argue a lot about that on the USA Today boards.

We are a democratic republic. Or as my high school principal used to say, a representative democracy.

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
11:07 pm

Don’t Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:03 pm
______

Should there be a requirement that eveyone have gun in the car, just in case. Or, give them an option of having the gun or paying a tax, not a penalty.

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
11:07 pm

“Is there another issue. Or is not to late for me to take the other side.”

I guess it’s too late! Actually, I’m out – time to hit the hay. Got lots to get done tomorrow.

Brosephus™

April 14th, 2012
11:10 pm

Bro – welllll…he did limit it to the state of Georgia!

I should probably not try to sleep and read. :oops:

Well, if you’re fast and you see that 18 wheeler coming you can shoot it!

You’d better be shooting something other than a 9mm too!! :)

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:11 pm

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
10:47 pm

Like requiring car insurance if you drive a car. You don’t drive a car, you don’t have to buy insurance.

If you don’t buy a house, you don’t have to buy a gun.
+++++++++++++++++++

If you don;t have any health, you don;t have to buy health insurance………

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:11 pm

Oscar, yes on the console. Plus you need a rear mounted gun for tailgaters, unless you’re camping in the left lane in which case you should be shot.

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:12 pm

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
10:48 pm

A democracy?

You’re fooling yourself.

We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We’re taking turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week–

But all the decisions *of* that officer ‘ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting–

By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs–

But by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major–
++++++++++++++++++

Do I smell Monty Python? is there a Holy Grail at the end of this quest? Is anyone being oppressed?

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:13 pm

Doggone/GA

April 14th, 2012
10:49 pm

“If you don’t buy a house, you don’t have to buy a gun”

If you don’t have health, you don’t have to buy health insurance
++++++++++++++

LOL You beat me to it. i’m so stupid……

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:14 pm

Actually you need health insurance in case you get hit by one of those idiots who fire their guns in the air to celebrate.

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:14 pm

JamVet

April 14th, 2012
11:00 pm

Oscar, recon brought up the misguided, oft parroted right wing talking point that the USA is a republic and not a democracy.

As though the terms are mutually exclusive.

The skit is from an obscure set of British comedians by the name of Monty Python.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Crap. I’m 0-2 tonight. And here I started off feeling so clever………

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:16 pm

Don’t Forget: CAMPING? Are you playing COD lol?

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
11:17 pm

I smell Monty Python? is there a Holy Grail at the end of this quest? Is anyone being oppressed?

———–

If you listen to the extremists on both the right and the left, the answer would be yes. Chose your side, you can complain about being oppresed by the military industiral complex, the global corporations, the plutocrats, or the government. Wide range to chose from if you like.

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:19 pm

I was thinking Oscar, more in lines with this…………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:24 pm

Fred, never heard the term “camping in the left lane”? How about “left lane lunkhead?” lol

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:27 pm

Oscar, no kidding. Seems like half the country feels oppressed.

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:28 pm

Don’t forget. I didn’t fully read. I saw “console” and ‘camping’ and thought of a game console, like a PS3 and camping is a term used in online gaming by impatient little boys playing first person shooters who want everyone to run around like asshats so they can shoot them……..

Oscar

April 14th, 2012
11:31 pm

d ™

April 14th, 2012
11:19 pm
______

I see. Missed that one on Monty. Not into that much, governor.

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:35 pm

Fred, have to admit I never had the time for many games. Used to have a Sega way back when and played football with it but I completely missed playstation. thought I might get a wi one of these days though. What I know about world of warcraft, I learned from South Park, lol

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:35 pm

Oscar: Probably before your time lol.

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:36 pm

Don’t Forget: I’m a computer geek. Never used the consoles. As a matter of fact, I look down on them. I play my games on a computer. Always have and always will. I’ve been using home computers since they were invented.

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:42 pm

Fred, actually now that I think of it I have played some submarine simulators, mostly WWII stuff.

josef

April 14th, 2012
11:45 pm

A watery tart handing you a sword from a lake is the basis for a system of government?

OREP
Thanks for your input on the Second. As Carlos would say, the fact is…

Just checking in to see what’s the bone du jour. I was hoping for some fried Newt…

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:49 pm

josef, mostly theatre of the absurd for me tonight. Seems appropriate.

josef

April 14th, 2012
11:52 pm

Don’t Forget

Ran into somebody the other day who’s a regular reader but doesn’t post. It was kinda fun to hear the summation of the regulars. You came off with high praise.

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:53 pm

Josef: I’ve been hoping for something worth talking about for weeks now. No love on that one………. then when I miss a day or so the GOOD topics come up. Go figure.

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:54 pm

Have you read the Hunger Games yet Josef?

Don't Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:55 pm

josef, thanks. Sounds like your friend is more disciplined than I am though, lol. Funny though, you never know who might be reading.

josef

April 14th, 2012
11:56 pm

Fred…

I know what you mean. We need to get some new memo writers…

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:58 pm

Don’t Forget

April 14th, 2012
11:55 pm

josef, thanks. Sounds like your friend is more disciplined than I am though, lol. Funny though, you never know who might be reading.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Do you really care? Would you say something different? I wouldn’t. I say the same things here I say in “real life.”

If someone wants to get as stupid to me in real life as posters do here I’ll “go there” with them. They usually don;t like it though……….

Fred ™

April 14th, 2012
11:59 pm

josef

April 14th, 2012
11:56 pm

Fred…

I know what you mean. We need to get some new memo writers…
+++++++++++++++++++++
You probably already have good memo writers. I on the other hand am not in the elite “blog brotherhood.” So I just have to wing it.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:06 am

I on the other hand am not in the elite “blog brotherhood.”

Like the man says, Fred, be cool or be cast out……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu9Ycq64Gy4

Josef

April 15th, 2012
12:08 am

Don’t Forget

It really was kind of interesting to “see oursels as ithers see us…”

Fred

That “blog brotherhood” thingie is in reference to Friday Night Music. Nothing else.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:15 am

Ran into somebody the other day who’s a regular reader but doesn’t post. It was kinda fun to hear the summation of the regulars. You came off with high praise.

Your friend must be a Lib. ;-)

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:16 am

Fred, no I don’t really care, I choose my words pretty carefully anyway in almost every circumstance. But it’s not a bad idea to realize that your posts will be here forever.

Josef, yeah that would be interesting to hear what someone who is just an “observer” thinks about this crew.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:17 am

Josef

April 15th, 2012
12:18 am

Bruno…
I do have acquaintances who aren’t libs. I don’t have any friends. :-)

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:21 am

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:23 am

So what did your friend have to say about ol Bruno?? I hope they caught my piece about Lib Racism the other day. Went over well with the crowd here……

td

April 15th, 2012
12:35 am

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. ” Thomas Jefferson

td

April 15th, 2012
12:36 am

“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it”
Thomas Jefferson.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:36 am

Bruno, thanks for the King Solomon’s marbles, I had lost mine. :D I saw “Jazz is Dead” do that song a few years after Jerry died. Been a big Jimmy Herring fan ever since. That guy could play with any of the greats IMO, very authentic in the 60’s, 70’s guitar improve/jam genre that I enjoy so much.

Oblama

April 15th, 2012
12:38 am

Quoting Mike Tyson ” It’s a crime that Zimmerman hasn’t been shot already.” The “Stand your ground law” was created so you won’t have to throw your gun down and let violent rapists like Tyson pummel you to death with HIS deadly weapons – his fists.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:38 am

td – point taken, but being “locked and loaded” in America is just plain nutty.

td

April 15th, 2012
12:38 am

“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

td

April 15th, 2012
12:42 am

Don’t Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:38 am

In your opinion. IMHO, I think that it might increase the number of gun shootings every year slightly but at the same time would dramatically decrease other crimes because the criminals would be afraid to be as bold as they are now.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:43 am

To me, “Blues For Allah” is the quintessential Dead studio album. My Deadhead friend will argue against that choice, primarily for attempting to narrow anything associated with the Dead to just one thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqQ-0n2I-4o&feature=related

td

April 15th, 2012
12:44 am

“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State”

td

April 15th, 2012
12:45 am

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
George Washington

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:46 am

No one’s noticed but the band’s all packed and gone
Was it ever here at all?
But they kept on dancing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQyci8_54gU&feature=related

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:47 am

td – you were talking about the government and possible tyranny

Bruno – funny you should say that, I was just pulling this one out for ya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1I6XduYOo

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:48 am

td – without a free press and freedom of speech, guns are worthless.

td

April 15th, 2012
12:52 am

Don’t Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:48 am

td – without a free press and freedom of speech, guns are worthless.

Without guns in the hands of the people how long do you think it would be before we loose the freedom of press and speech?

td

April 15th, 2012
12:54 am

Don’t Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:47 am

How about this one:

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
Thomas Jefferson
to James Madison

td

April 15th, 2012
12:56 am

“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. ”
Noah Webster
American Lexicographer

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:56 am

DF–Back at ya with a cool Jack Straw while I’m finishing up the Slipknot. One of my buddy’s personal favorites. He also loves “Brown Eyed Women”. I tend to go for the more cerebral selections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUUqnjxwqk&feature=related

td

April 15th, 2012
12:57 am

“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
Thomas Jefferson

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
12:58 am

yes td and you guys remind the govt every time a democrat is in the WH. It was the same thing with Clinton. There IS such a thing as paranoia ya know!

td

April 15th, 2012
12:58 am

“Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:59 am

Without guns in the hands of the people how long do you think it would be before we loose the freedom of press and speech?

We may have a free press, but the quality is pretty poor IMO.

td

April 15th, 2012
1:00 am

“If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things.”

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
1:01 am

td – freedom of the press is more endangered by misinformation than anything else. Remember William Randolf Hearst? He did it through media consolidation.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
1:01 am

td – freedom of the press is more endangered by misinformation than anything else. Remember William Randolf Hearst? He did it through media consolidation.

td

April 15th, 2012
1:02 am

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:59 am

But we now have the internet and one can get all the information from citizen journalist they want. Most of it is no more twisted then our current “professional” journalist.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:05 am

td–Maybe I’m looking for love in all the wrong places here at the Bookman Blog, but what ever happened to thoughtful journalism?? Even basic classiness??

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
1:07 am

Bruno – always loved Jack Straw, perfect example of how the dead would start slow and build to a crescendo. Total opposite of most pop bands. I’ll sign out with this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duMM2HDkd2o&feature=related

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
1:11 am

what ever happened to thoughtful journalism?? Even basic classiness??

It went out the door when the networks went with the “if it bleeds it leads” mentality that resulted from making the newsroom a profit center. They should have left the profits to the regular entertainment and kept the dignity of the newsroom IMO.

Oscar

April 15th, 2012
1:11 am

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:05 am
td–Maybe I’m looking for love in all the wrong places here at the Bookman Blog, but what ever happened to thoughtful journalism?? Even basic classiness??

_________

Never happened. Ben Franklin wrote his bad stuff under false names. Another one of those myths people use that think there was a time in the past when everything was better than it is now.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:18 am

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:29 am

I don’t know how old you are, Oscar, but there was much more integrity in journalism in the 60s and 70s to my recollection. Even the 80s. Now even major networks report in wholesale fabrications like Dan Rather’s bogus story about Bush and the selectively edited 911 call.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:39 am

Oscar

April 15th, 2012
1:49 am

For be it from me to distrub or question your childhood visions and ideas.
——- Rhett Butler to Scarlett O’Hara

Jay

April 15th, 2012
7:13 am

Hate to break it to you, TD, but you’ve been had. That oh-so-perfect Hitler quote is perfect because it is a complete fabrication.

“This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date given (*in alternate versions, the words “This year…” are replaced by “1935…” has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938.

The citation usually given for this quote is a jumbled mess, and has only three major clues from which to work. The first is the date, which does not correspond (even approximately) to a date on which Hitler made a public speech, and a check of the texts of Hitler’s speeches does not reveal a quotation resembling this (which is easily understandable when you realize that “Hitler” is commenting on a non-existent law). The second clue is the newspaper reference, which if translated into German resembles the title of a newspaper called Berliner Tageblatt, and a check of the issue for that date reveals that the page and column references given are to the arts and culture page! No Hitler speech appears in the pages of Berliner Tageblatt on that date, or dates close to it, because there was no such speech to report.

Finally, the citation includes a proper name “Eberhard Beckmann,” which is sometimes cited as “by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann,” which is an important clue itself, because it reveals that the citation was fabricated by someone who had so little knowledge of the German language that they were unaware that “Einleitung” isn’t the fellow’s first name! The only “Eberhard Beckmann” which has been uncovered thus far did indeed write introductions, but he was a journalist for a German broadcasting company after WWII, and he wrote several introductions to photography books, one of which was photos of the German state of Hesse (or Hessia), which may be the source of the curious phrase “Abschied vom Hessenland!” which appears in the citation. This quotation, however effective it may be as propaganda, is a fraud.”

Jay

April 15th, 2012
7:22 am

“But we now have the internet and one can get all the information from citizen journalist they want. Most of it is no more twisted then our current “professional” journalist.”

– TD

TD, the Sarah Brady quote that you pulled off the Internet is also a fraud.

As is your George Washington quote.

Just thought you’d want to know, but I could be wrong about that.

If YOU do not vote...

April 15th, 2012
7:38 am

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
7:47 am

Nice work Jay.

bman

April 15th, 2012
7:54 am

Newt is still out there yapp’n away?

Shout Out to the Ladies

April 15th, 2012
7:56 am

I have read several comments on this blog concerning the “War on Women”. Some say that the war terminology is being initiated by lesbians and democrats. How does being a “strong woman” always rounds out to be a lesbian? There are several women such as myself that left an abusive marriage and had to take care of kids by myself with little or no child support. Does that make me a lesbian? No it does not, and never will. For all of the women that have chosen to be lesbians, that is their prerogative. Respect that!! Women have choices as far as what will be best for their situation. Whatever she chooses, I am sure that she will do what she feels is best for “her” and if she has kids, what will be best for them as well. The Republican Establishment is initiating so many laws that will literally set women back. The war is real but the Republican agenda is hidden! Wake up women and do not be fooled. It is called SURVIVOR out here. Do what you can to take care of yourself whether you are married, widowed, divorced or single!!

Ol' Timer

April 15th, 2012
8:09 am

By fiat, Potentate Gingrich would over-rule the sovereign laws of other nations. Pandering of the rankest order and delusional utterances as usual by Gingrich to a group of equally paranoid wannabe tough guys. They should all just shut up and fondle their guns!

carlosgvv

April 15th, 2012
8:12 am

In all the primary voting so far, most voters just had an instinctive feeling that Newt was dangerously unstable. These feelings have proven to be all to true as is shown by Newt’s unbelieveably irresponsible speech to the NRA. However, since profit means everything and human lives mean nothing to the NRA, It’s no suprise they were all smiles and cheers.

killerj

April 15th, 2012
8:15 am

Yea Newt,start with the media the lying,sour,evil…………….

marko

April 15th, 2012
8:16 am

I’m always amazed that little Newton’s given so much credit as an historian.He reminds me more of a mathematician that knows a lot of numbers, but has trouble putting them together in a way that makes coherent sense. Give Newt a one and one, and he’ll give you a one. where’d the other one go? Best guess, Newt’s pocket. In terms of his bank account, Leroy Newton’s a mighty successful historian. Saving folks from evil boogiemen is pretty good work if you can get it.

America is the only country on earth that has more guns than people.

Rick Sanatorium enrolled his three year old son in the NRA.

America spends more on national defense than the rest of the world combined.

Mitt Romney wants to increase defense spending.

since the 1970’s we’ve spent trillions of dollars fighting an endless war on drugs. Perhaps we should consider declaring war on education instead. If were as good at that, as we are at fighting drugs,in twenty years we’ll be the best educated people on earth.

Julia

April 15th, 2012
8:26 am

I’m still trying to wrap my brain around this obsession that all of these pasty face, pudgy, middle age white men have with guns. I think I’ve figured it out but I know I can’t say in this forum…the same reason they go for these over sized gas guzzling urban assault vehicles. I think it’s all the same reason.

Willis

April 15th, 2012
8:29 am

I wonder if Newt takes his pistol into the confession booth just in case the priest threatens him?

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
8:34 am

td – The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

I went searching to see what I could find on some of those quotes you posted and all you see is web pages from pro gun and survivalist websites. When I searched for this publication you get nothing. No wiki reference, no nothing. I don’t see any evidence that this is even a real publication. There is a website called “guncite” that says these quotes are bogus and they claim to support gun rights but that site looks suspicious and strangely anonymous to me as well. It seems that there is quite a bit of deceit going on about this issue, perhaps from both sides.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
8:44 am

td

April 15th, 2012
12:57 am

“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
Thomas Jefferson

Yet another bogus quote from td.

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/those-who-hammer-their-guns-plowsquotation

Seems like everything you posted last night is “compostable”

carlosgvv

April 15th, 2012
8:47 am

Julia – 8:26

Permit me to say it for you. With these unstable, pathetic losers, size means everything. If they can’t have it by natural endowment, they will go to the nearest gun shop and get it vicariously. They don’t call it “packing heat” for nothing. Unfortunately, one of the results of this distorted behavior is thousands of needless gun related deaths every year. Only in America.

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Recon 0311 2533

April 15th, 2012
9:50 am

The absurdity of left wing group think really comes into focus when the topic involves gun ownership.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
9:55 am

I was so wiped out from last week, that by 11 last night I made an early appointment with the sandman. And it was great. I don’t see how millions of Americans go through large stretches of their lives being sleep-deprived. Not this lazy ass!

Some good conversations and music last night mixed in with some significant amount of misinformation from certain bloggers. Imagine that!

Matti may be proud of me. Yesterday I went to a 99% Spring meeting in Norcross, and I have real bad news for those of you who have jumped on the GOP bandwagon who think that the right to assemble and petition and that patriotic acts of civil disobedience are evil.

Things don’t look good for your desperate wishes that millions of Americans are going to go back to your preferred method – rolling over and meekly accepting the status quo.

An innumerable number of average working Americans are obviously fed up with the past few decades of systemic and widespread economic and social injustice against working class families, and they are empowering themselves.

The stories I heard from a wide variety of people – black, white, young and old – yesterday merely confirmed what we all know.

!t is time to take a righteous stand.

And a call out goes out to all of you – from the Tea Party to regular Republicans to Libertarians and others – join in that stand.

Call out the instigator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNK5jVkv0vM

Brosephus™

April 15th, 2012
10:00 am

“People use me to perpetrate a fraud just because the gullible will believe I said it just because it sounds good.”

–Thomas Jefferson as told to Adolph Hitler and ‘dem.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
10:11 am

Oh and the people who were at that 99% Spring meeting? They came from Hartwell, Ga. to Cobb County to Washington D.C.

This movie clip is for Corporal Occutard and the other Masters of Misinformation.

Look at the tens of thousands of disgusting, unbathed, never-had-a-job people committing acts of unspeakable violence and destruction!

Very occasionally you will see some decent citizens and peaceful protesters…

http://www.heist-themovie.com/

St Simons - he-ne-hah

April 15th, 2012
10:15 am

Ohhh yeah, watchin Newt flame out is better than Jerry Springer. Really.

I swear this is my last year of taxes, time to turn that over
to the young bucks.

At about 4 oclock, I’m gettin re-acquainted wit da beach, mon.
and a margaritta or three.

carlosgvv

April 15th, 2012
10:17 am

Recon

And you think the left wing group think attitude on gun ownership is absurd because?

kayaker 71

April 15th, 2012
10:25 am

Sheriff Joe is getting a little closer to proving that this hoax of a president is a fraud. Sheriff Joe for Attorney General.

getalife

April 15th, 2012
10:40 am

“Sheriff Joe is getting a little closer to proving that this hoax of a president is a fraud. Sheriff Joe for Attorney General.”

Just another reason why the gop will lose.

getalife

April 15th, 2012
10:45 am

“Cheney: Obama Has Been ‘Unmitigated Disaster’”

Prove it liar.

Thomas

April 15th, 2012
10:53 am

An innumerable number of average working Americans are obviously fed up with the past few decades of systemic and widespread economic and social injustice against working class families, and they are empowering themselves

Great news- stop bitching about it, go get an SBA loan, borrow from friends and family, and prove everyone wrong.

3 types of people, people who watch others do, people who wonder others do, and people who do.

ps- 11 o’clock is when you will end your work as an entreprenuer- not when you go to bed.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
10:56 am

There were two nicely dressed gentlemen from Gabon that I met yesterday. We talked about the American corporations that exploit the natural resources there (Uranium, Magnesium and of course the big O word) and give relatively little back to the people in return.

Shades of Condi Rice, Chevron, Haliburton and Nigeria…

Poor Thomas, so afraid of people empowering themselves he’s reduced to childish and irrelevant snarkiness.

Typical…

marko

April 15th, 2012
10:56 am

We were given the right to own guns by our creator. I wasn’t sure about that one so I had Pat Robertson do a fact check. Seems we’ve been subjected to some bogus quotes, but Pat assures me that Newt Nailed that one. He ought to know Pat’s on speaking terms with the big guy.

We’re men really created by an almighty god? Damned if I know. I do know that men are very good at creating gods. They really don’t require much in the way of building materials. The really cool thing, about creating gods, is that when your done, you can nominate yourself his spokesmen. This really comes in handy, for instance If some smarty pants pinko tells you that you’re to love your enemies you get explain to the low life cretin what Jesus really met by that. That’s why need so many guns. Everybody knows that we always hurt the ones we love.

barking frog

April 15th, 2012
10:59 am

Thomas
How do you do?

Jay

April 15th, 2012
11:01 am

Sheriff Joe is getting closer to viewing the world from the other side of the prison bars.

Mary Elizabeth

April 15th, 2012
11:02 am

“An innumerable number of average working Americans are obviously fed up with the past few decades of systemic and widespread economic and social injustice against working class families, and they are empowering themselves.”

Speaking of “the past few decades of systemic and widespread economic and social injustice against working class families,” I was pleased to read that the ALEC editorial made the Bookman Sunday edition.

—————————————–

For Paul: Thank you for your kind greeting of a few days ago.

Thomas

April 15th, 2012
11:02 am

I do just fine Barking, and you?

barking frog

April 15th, 2012
11:05 am

Thomas
When I do do,
I do fine too.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
11:06 am

After yesterday, I think I finally understand people like Thomas.

They are alone. Isolated and without a collective voice. Uninvolved and unempowered by choice. Lurking and trying desperately to stay uninformed and using endless stereotypes and logical fallacies to slander and malign millions of good Americans.

And they are frightened to see all of those folks who ARE empowering themselves and gaining the tools and knowledge to effect liberty and justice for all. In peaceful, non-violent protests and other ways.

Would someone like him watch that short movie clip that I linked at 10:11?

OF COURSE NOT! He dare not because his position becomes even weaker.

And THAT is the difference between he and I. And why he will never win in the free market place of ideas. I will watch anything and everything he would post and then try to debate the points therein.

His greatest fear is coming to pass right before his eyes and he is impotent to stop it.

And I am overjoyed to fully realize that I am not….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H315jc_iHcI&feature=fvwrel

Thomas

April 15th, 2012
11:08 am

interesting- thank you for your response.

Look for a 30 person call center opening in west Atlanta for disabled veterans. Full benefits.

watch, wonder, or do.

getalife

April 15th, 2012
11:14 am

Thomas,

Is it a call center to try to stop our troops suicides?

Thomas

April 15th, 2012
11:20 am

Employment for disabled war veterans including remote work ability. Unemployment amongst all disabled around 70%. Must be solved.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
11:23 am

“Must be solved”

Easy! Just lower the taxes on the “job creators”

Thomas

April 15th, 2012
11:30 am

Like lower taxes but even in good times unemployment amongst disabled exponentially higher.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
11:35 am

“Like lower taxes ”

Then where are the jobs?

getalife

April 15th, 2012
11:39 am

cons want the wealthy to have all the wealth so their kids have no chance of making a living on their own.

Thomas

April 15th, 2012
11:44 am

Went offshore. With (still) rapid wage inflation in India/Asia couple with stagnant wage inflation (or no wages) in the US the jobs are re domesticating.

Companies, including local Delta and Suntrust, also found out off shoring was easier than it sounded. Simply takes time.

We will also see more manufacturing-

Tax issues are silly at best. Simplify and widen the base. Can’t believe everyone misses that lower capital gains comes at a high cost- no capital loss for corps and only 3k a year for individuals.

barking frog

April 15th, 2012
11:45 am

A financial transactions
tax would require the
wall street speculators
to participate more in
paying for the ruin they
created.

Matti

April 15th, 2012
11:47 am

JamVet@ 9:55,

RIGHT ON, BRO! Dang, now I’m sorry I didn’t go to that one!

Yes, it IS funny how they keep trying to tell us that the dissenters are just a small group of dysfunctional malcontents and lesbians who can’t function in the real world. Wishful thinking at best.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
11:49 am

“Went offshore”

Keep going, you’ll get there eventually. Lower taxes on the “job creators” doesn’t actually create jobs.

RF

April 15th, 2012
11:50 am

“Look at the tens of thousands of disgusting, unbathed, never-had-a-job people committing acts of unspeakable violence and destruction!”

As compared to the bathed, educated, and Brooks Bros. suited who NEVER commit crimes? Be careful of stereotypes- they don’t always work. Think Bernie Madoff as an easy example. And their crimes of billions of dollars should be considered as unspeakable as any other.

getalife

April 15th, 2012
11:50 am

The gop want to abuse our troops more and occupy Syria.

If they win, they will.

RF

April 15th, 2012
11:56 am

After several years of hearing about the “job creators” and “smaller government” and all the other rhetoric, I’m getting impatient. I want to see numbers and plans that will be put into effect immediately that will help us all. I’m tired of hearing about the awful burden of taxes AND about how important it is to give the Pentagon a blank check. I’m tired of hearing how we’re miraculously going to lower taxes without hurting SS and Medicare one little bit. What have we gotten? The Paul Ryan tax everyone but the rich plan. The trickle down economics notion is beginning to feel like the wealthy are just peeing on us and telling us we should be thankful for the “trickle”… Mittens is going to have to get busy if he stands the slightest chance of getting my vote.

Thomas

April 15th, 2012
11:57 am

Hey Doggone- no reason to keep going. I know what I am doing.

thank you though- have a good day-

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
12:00 pm

“I know what I am doing”

Beware of over-certainty

getalife

April 15th, 2012
12:11 pm

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
12:17 pm

getalife, not only will Willard lose the election in November, ALL the Dems need to do is nominate Hillary in 16 and the cons would almost all vote for her.

Presuming they trot a third consecutive, laughable slate of non-electable goofs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCmkZFMSuFQ

getalife

April 15th, 2012
12:22 pm

Jam,

She does look young dancing and drinking so I think we might see her as VP this cycle if she agreed to run in 16.

I don’t think Biden could win but she would.

I remember

April 15th, 2012
12:34 pm

Kind of reminds you of the hilarity when a progressive insults mothers everywhere and then gives her half hearted effort at apologizing. Rosen is hysterical with her obvious hypocrisy. She said what she meant and just does not have the courage to own it.

Mighty Righty

April 15th, 2012
12:35 pm

As usual Jay gets mixed up. The ten commandments were given to the Jews to keep peace within the famillies. God had no problem with killing enemies and in fact assisted is such endeavors. Clearly, Jay as a typical liberal deliberately ignores the meaning of “unalienable” rights which were endowed by our creator. Jay is wrong and Newt is right.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:36 pm

Shout out for Robin Gibb, who is extremely ill right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSxuvNGSrmc

RB from Gwinnett

April 15th, 2012
12:38 pm

On the night Jesus was betrayed by Judas and arrested, his diciple Peter drew his sword and cut off the ear of one of the arresting guards. I know you liberals would like to pretend Jesus was shocked by that and said something like “OMG, Peter, where did you get that sword? You know we’re peaceful men”

He didn’t.

He told Peter to put the sword away, healed the soldiers ear, and was led away.

The moral… Jesus and the diciples who followed him were armed with the best weaponry available in the day and they how to use them. I suspect if they had had access to a Glock, they would have had one.

Maybe if you liberals would take some time to actually read the Bible you so often choose to mis-interperet, you’d actually learn something.

Maybe…

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:44 pm

Clearly, Jay as a typical liberal deliberately ignores the meaning of “unalienable” rights which were endowed by our creator. Jay is wrong and Newt is right.

Mighty Righty–For starters, Jay hates Newt Gingrich in a deeply personal way, to the point that he can’t write an objective, professional quality column about him. Speaks poorly of his professional ethics IMO. I have patients I don’t like, but I still render compassionate treatment to them.

As to the larger point, do people around the globe have the right to arm themselves, I haven’t seen one Lib here mount a credible argument against it. The alternative, of course, is for the masses to be completely at the mercy of their governments or armed militia groups such as the LRA in Africa.

Jay

April 15th, 2012
12:44 pm

“He told Peter to put the sword away, healed the soldiers ear, and was led away.

And THAT, RB, is the real moral of the story. He told Peter to put the sword away, healed the soldier’s ear and was led away.

Jay

April 15th, 2012
12:46 pm

And Jesus carrying a Glock … this, from someone who presumes to lecture about the real meaning of Christianity?

That one is in the running for lame post of the month, at the very least.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:47 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSev5wCG2kw

If ever you got rain in your heart,
someone has hurt you, and torn you apart,
am I unwise to open up your eyes to love me?

And let it be like they said it would be -
me loving you girl, and you loving me.
Am I unwise to open up your eyes to love me?

Run to me whenever you’re lonely. (to love me)
Run to me if you need a shoulder
Now and then, you need someone older,
so darling, you run to me.

Jay

April 15th, 2012
12:49 pm

“Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword….”

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:52 pm

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:53 pm

Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword….

And we all know how things ended up for Jesus…….

No thanks.

Brosephus™

April 15th, 2012
12:55 pm

And Jesus carrying a Glock … this, from someone who presumes to lecture about the real meaning of Christianity?

That one is in the running for lame post of the month, at the very least.

Oh, ye of little faith….

http://media.photobucket.com/image/jesus%20with%20a%20glock/zonker1986/Jesus-Glock.jpg

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
12:59 pm

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:02 pm

Bro–Great assist @ 12:55. I’m thinking you’re going to look good under the Big Tent. ;-)

Scored some major boyfriend points last night…….After the Arena Football game was over, they auctioned off the players jerseys to support breast cancer funding. One of the players shares the same last name as PB, so I had to win the sucker for her. They used pink accenting on them, so she’s super excited.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:07 pm

Brosephus™

April 15th, 2012
1:10 pm

Bruno

I think I’m gonna set up my own tent and persuade people to follow the Brosephusism. :)

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
1:11 pm

Funniest statement on the blog thus far:

Sheriff Joe is getting a little closer to proving that this hoax of a president is a fraud. Sheriff Joe for Attorney General.

How did you type that without breaking out in hysterical laughter?

Matti: Yes, it IS funny how they keep trying to tell us that the dissenters are just a small group of dysfunctional malcontents and lesbians who can’t function in the real world. Wishful thinking at best.

Let’s keep them in the dark until it’s too late for them to think of another stupid law to stop the momentum!

Iremember: Kind of reminds you of the hilarity when a progressive insults mothers everywhere and then gives her half hearted effort at apologizing. Rosen is hysterical with her obvious hypocrisy. She said what she meant and just does not have the courage to own it.

Im amazed how all the cons are so OUTRAGED over Rosen’s comments, but applauded LimpBalls on his!! All this faux outrage must be taxing on ya’ll nerves. :roll:

MR: Clearly, Jay as a typical liberal deliberately ignores the meaning of “unalienable” rights which were endowed by our creator. Jay is wrong and Newt is right

What did JESUS say about killing and fighting? I mean, that’s why you call yourself a Christian; because you are following Jesus’ ways and wish to be “Christ like”, correct? So in this instance, unless you are only following the dictates of the Old Testament and are ignoring the teaches of Christ, WWJD?

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:12 pm

Al Green really rocked this one, but Robin’s plaintive wailing on this original has always stuck with me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPuIoVOEx1I&feature=fvst

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:16 pm

I mean, that’s why you call yourself a Christian; because you are following Jesus’ ways and wish to be “Christ like”, correct?

The only problem with a philosophy of non-violence, DDR, is that not everyone else in the world is a Christian. At some point you either defend yourself, or horrible things may happen to you and your family.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
1:17 pm

“And we all know how things ended up for Jesus……. No thanks”

Someone doesn’t understand that his message was more important than his person.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:22 pm

Someone doesn’t understand that his message was more important than his person.

And someone else doesn’t understand that there are “messages” and “meta-messages”.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
1:22 pm

Jesus with a Glock, huh?

Two words, depraved “Christians”.

Matti, one of the many great takeaways from yesterday was when somebody stood up and reminded us all that it was a small handful of very progressive men who met in a bar in Boston that changed the world.

To which a guy next to me said in a humorous manner, “A bar in Boston?” Cracked me up, it did.

But the spirit of mass civil disobedience is once again alive in America and I never thought I’d live long to see it.

Awesome.

We can change the world
rearrange the world
it’s dying to get better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEFsBF1X1ow

Soothsayer

April 15th, 2012
1:24 pm

Well, everybody up here was just proud as a peacock of their green bermuda lawns and now, after the frost we had the other night, they’ve all turned brown again.

Is this some crazy weather or what?

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:27 pm

IMO, any appeal to the Bible in support of non-violence is pretty foolish anyway if you believe basic Christian Doctrine.

(1) The God portrayed in the Old Testament is a very violent God.

(2) The God of the New Testament is the same God of the Old Testament.

(3) Jesus = God.

It takes some serious cherry-picking to claim that the Bible supports only a non-violent message IMO.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
1:28 pm

“And someone else doesn’t understand that there are “messages” and “meta-messages”.”

Well, let me put it this way: you will live…but 2000 years from now I seriously doubt you will have millions of believers called Brunoians.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
1:29 pm

The only problem with a philosophy of non-violence, DDR, is that not everyone else in the world is a Christian. At some point you either defend yourself, or horrible things may happen to you and your family.

You either believe or you don’t believe. there is no such thing as a psuedo-christian. you either follow the examples that the christ set for us or you don’t. the original followers of Jesus let themselves be eaten by lions in Rome while they prayed for their tormentors. If that’s not for you, or if you are not willing to sacrifice as much as Jesus did for YOU and YOUR sins, that you are NOT a christian. What you are as Jesus would call you, is a worker of lawlessness.

“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS Matthew 7:23

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:30 pm

But the spirit of mass civil disobedience is once again alive in America and I never thought I’d live long to see it.

Jam–Until some of these deluded OWSers come up with a workable plan of action, I see their “movement” as nothing more than a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars. If I want to hear a bunch of useless whining, I’ll tune in an Obama speech.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
1:31 pm

“The God portrayed in the Old Testament is a very violent God”

Not entirely, though it’s fashionable to say so. The dichotomy of God’s nature flows through both the Old and the New Testaments.

Lady50

April 15th, 2012
1:31 pm

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
1:22 pm
We can change the world
rearrange the world
it’s dying to get better

If would not have looked at the date, I would have thought that it was 2012…back at ya…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYMKUtNuw8

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
1:33 pm

To put Matthew 7:23 into context, perhaps I should’ve also posted Matthew 7:22…… here goes:

Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:35 pm

the original followers of Jesus let themselves be eaten by lions in Rome while they prayed for their tormentors. If that’s not for you, or if you are not willing to sacrifice as much as Jesus did for YOU and YOUR sins, that you are NOT a christian.

DDR–Let’s get real for a minute. Millions of people in Africa are threatened on a daily basis by their own governments and by a host of armed, hostile Militia groups. Are you really advocating that these folks not be permitted to carry weapons, to have at least some chance of defending themselves?? If so, then you are tacitly approving the rape of 2 year old children.

Somehow, some way, I don’t see you “turning the other cheek” if you or your family is being threatened.

carlosgvv

April 15th, 2012
1:36 pm

The authorship of the New Testament is completely unknown. All we have are copies of copies and no way whatever to support any of these writings with evidence and proof. And yet, some of you here quote from the New Testament as though it’s writings are absolutely proven fact. I wonder why that is?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
1:36 pm

Jam–Until some of these deluded OWSers Teapartyers come up with a workable plan of action, I see their “movement” as nothing more than a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars. If I want to hear a bunch of useless whining, I’ll tune in an Obama speech ANY republican speech.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
1:38 pm

“And yet, some of you here quote from the New Testament as though it’s writings are absolutely proven fact. I wonder why that is?”

The name of the author, or lack of a name, does not alter the power of the message.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:38 pm

Not entirely, though it’s fashionable to say so. The dichotomy of God’s nature flows through both the Old and the New Testaments.

I never maintained that God is only violent, or only merciful. I’ll leave the false, one-sided arguments for you Libs today.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
1:39 pm

Christians have always played a huge role in the peace movement and in non-violent protest.

And though Corporal Occutard and others like him slur the protesters en masse as filthy law-breakers, his hatred and willful blindness keeps him from seeing that it is nuns and priests and pastors and preachers and lay people of every denomination and faith who are out there in the streets protesting against injustice and inequality.

Or maybe, I’m just mistaken and those people are not really there, huh?

Arguably the very King of that non-violent change (pun intended) changed the world by using it as THE weapon that beat back brutality and madness.

And the greatest of the greatest ever in the non-violent protest movement was a humble little Hindu man.

Put that in your violence-filled, Jesus with a Glock pipes and smoke it for awhile…

Midori

April 15th, 2012
1:41 pm

WASHINGTON — Women who stay at home to raise their children should be given federal assistance for child care so that they can enter the job market and “have the dignity of work,” Mitt Romney said in January, undercutting the sense of extreme umbrage he showed when Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen quipped last week that Ann Romney had not “worked a day in her life.”

The remark, made to a Manchester, N.H., audience, was unearthed by MSNBC’s “Up w/Chris Hayes,” and will air during the 8 a.m. hour of his show Sunday.

and it is true that Ann Romney never worked a day in her life. the only reason conservatives exhibited their “poutrage” was, well, it’s in their DNA.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
1:43 pm

“I never maintained that God is only violent, or only merciful”

And where in this is any acknowledgement of God’s gentleness and mercy? It appears to be a pretty “one-sided” statement to ME:

“The God portrayed in the Old Testament is a very violent God”

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:44 pm

Until some of these deluded OWSers Teapartyers come up with a workable plan of action

In case you missed it, Deb, the Tea Partiers have influenced the outcome of elections and have led directly to proposed legislation. Can you say the same for the OWSers?? CEO pay has skyrocketed under Obama’s watch.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
1:47 pm

Carlos: And yet, some of you here quote from the New Testament as though it’s writings are absolutely proven fact. I wonder why that is?

You either believe or you don’t. the choice is yours.

Midori

April 15th, 2012
1:47 pm

In case you missed it, Deb, the Tea Partiers have influenced the outcome of elections and have led directly to proposed legislation.

yeah, like immaculate conception.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:48 pm

And where in this is any acknowledgement of God’s gentleness and mercy? It appears to be a pretty “one-sided” statement to ME:

My arguments this AM are in response to Jay’s assertion that Jesus, and therefore God if you believe Christian Doctrine, only advocates non-violence.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
1:48 pm

Bruno: Let’s get real for a minute. Millions of people in Africa are threatened on a daily basis by their own governments and by a host of armed, hostile Militia groups. Are you really advocating that these folks not be permitted to carry weapons, to have at least some chance of defending themselves??

No one says that following in the footsteps of Jesus would be easy – his own disciples sometimes fell short; but what I AM saying is that you either BELIEVE the words in the bible and that means ALL the words, or you DON’T. Cherry picking scriptures that you like while ignoring the ones that you don’t is not what a true believer does. There are people on this blog who say, loudly and clearly, “US CoNSTITUTIoN!!’ and hold that up as the holy grail of all life in the US while ignoring the fact that the FF’s made the constitution so that it could be added to OR changed as cirumstances dictated. Yet, they feel that the bible should ONLY be read and understood through their on interpretations.

If so, then you are tacitly approving the rape of 2 year old children.

Im just going to ignore that incredibly “Jump The Shark” statement.

Somehow, some way, I don’t see you “turning the other cheek” if you or your family is being threatened

I never professed to be a Christian either…………….just saying………..

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
1:49 pm

…deluded OWSers come up with a workable plan of action, I see their “movement” as nothing more than a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars.

See what you want to see. or don’t see at all.

Your requirements are irrelevant to everybody but you.

Democracy is ugly, but you want it to be pretty.

It doesn’t work that way.

It never has…

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

Men may not get all they pay for in this world; but they must pay for all they get. If we ever get free from all the oppressions and wrongs heaped upon us, we must pay for their removal. We must do this by labor, by suffering, by sacrifice, and, if needs be, by our lives, and the lives of others. ~Frederick Douglass 1857

Lady50!

Thanks for the Jill Scott.

Back at ya, sweetie.

I was only 15, but I knew something righteous (and delicious!) was coming and it would have to the power to sweep away racial hated and blindness like a hurricane!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSoXJl2ALUk

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:52 pm

yeah, like immaculate conception.

If you wish to educate yourself, midori, here’s a link for you.

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/welcome-to-the-tea-party.aspx

Of course, here in GA, the Tea Partiers led the way on ethics reform, which unfortunately didn’t pass this time around. Your man Jay told us all about it here on the Bookman Blog a while back. In the meantime, I must have missed his blog touting all of the successes of OWS.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
1:53 pm

“but what I AM saying is that you either BELIEVE the words in the bible and that means ALL the words, or you DON’T. Cherry picking scriptures that you like while ignoring the ones that you don’t is not what a true believer does”

Yes, that is what we are taught…but, like it or not, EVERYone “cherry picks” the bible. EVERYONE. It’s not possible to follow EVERY tenet, as there are direct contradictions – you can’t follow both.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
1:55 pm

I never professed to be a Christian either…………….just saying………..

Then why in the F are you advocating it for someone else, particularly in regard to their own personal safety??

Matti

April 15th, 2012
1:55 pm

DebbieDoRight,

Let’s keep them in the dark until it’s too late for them to think of another stupid law to stop the momentum!

AGREED! Haha… It’s always better to be underestimated than overestimated. Those who OOZE the kind of arrogance that makes them think they can’t lose are funny aren’t they? Yep, y’all DO keep telling us how impervious you are, and how silly we are. That’s right. If brains were fists, we couldn’t punch our way out of a brown paper bag, right? You big strong infallible conservo-trons just keep on believing that. Hahaha!

Midori

April 15th, 2012
1:57 pm

Bruno,

educate YOURSELF and read up on the silly law just signed by the Arizona governor.

paulo 977

April 15th, 2012
1:57 pm

RF

April 14th,
10:37 pm
__________________
I know…hence the MANDATE!!!

Midori

April 15th, 2012
1:59 pm

i might add that the tea-tards are basically responsible for putting most of these loons in office – statewide and in congress.

pathetic jokes all of them.

and the ring leader is Alan West.

Kid and Play called him to say they want their hairdo back. Maybe that’s why he’s always so angry.

Lady50

April 15th, 2012
1:59 pm

JamVet since you want to reach in your treasure chest and pull out an oldie, here’s one that I had to blow the dust off of…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zQ_xCX6TA4

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
2:00 pm

In case you missed it, Deb, the Tea Partiers have influenced the outcome of elections and have led directly to proposed legislation. Can you say the same for the OWSers?? CEO pay has skyrocketed under Obama’s watch.

OK — I’m confused about your stances. First you say Obama is ruining the economy, wages, US, etc. and you’re angry with him about that. NOW you cite the reference that CEO pay has “skyrocketed” on his watch. So which is it? Are you…..

(a) Mad at him for CEO pay which he doesn’t have any control over and should either:
1) HAVE control over OR
2) NOT HAVE control over OR

(b) Mad at him because CEO’s get paid more than you and he should either:
1) Make CEO’s pay YOU more OR
2) NOT make CEOs pay you more OR

(c) Mad at him because he’s NOT stopping CEO’s from getting paid more OR

(d) Mad that he could at least PRETEND to NOT pay CEOs more OR

(e) Just plain mad at him because he’s president?

Please pick one so that I’ll know how to respond to your comment– Thanks!

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
2:00 pm

CEO pay has skyrocketed under Obama’s watch.

Which is GREAT reason to roll over and meekly accept the status quo, huh?

Yesterday was an epiphany of sorts for me. You should have heard the stories, and the interconnectedness of us there. Again, black and white, old and young, union and non-union.

As Todd sung,

Politicians and dictators and the guys with the dough
They think they run the world but they just don’t know
‘Cause down here on the street we got it under control
From Berlin to San Francisco, from New York to Tokyo

One world
Whoa, it’s our world
Yeah, yeah, one world
Whoa, it’s our world
Yeah, yeah

B, I dig the hell outta you, and I’m going to lovingly work on you like water on a stone to get you out of the darkness and into the light!

As because of this second “awakening” in my lifetime, I commit myself to no longer standing in the shadows.

It is a warm light and you will love it.

Midori

April 15th, 2012
2:01 pm

Debbie:

he’s just mad. period.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
2:03 pm

This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.

Again, Am, until your group comes up with some workable plan of action to address the wrongs that they perceive in the world, then they are no better than a 1 year-old who cries, but can’t tell you why.

The bank bailouts happened several years ago, so complaining now does no good. As for income disparity, I haven’t heard anyone advance the first idea to change things other than support for labor unions. Which sounds like a great idea, hey Power to the People, until you look at the effect that unions have overall. $78 per hour employees are unsustainable, as the US auto industry proved.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
2:07 pm

Midori, yesterday at that 99% Spring meeting I went to, I saw a short film that spoke of Rosa parks and Harriet Tubman.

Historians like to portray Parks as this meek little woman who made a spontaneous decision to stand up – actually sit down! – against entrenched racism. Not so.

She was trained in peaceful non-violent protest at the Highlander Folk School in Tennessee.

And I chuckled heartily when I thought of that hateful bigot, Congressman Alan West when he dared try to co-opt Tubman’s name…

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
2:08 pm

educate YOURSELF and read up on the silly law just signed by the Arizona governor.

i might add that the tea-tards are basically responsible for putting most of these loons in office – statewide and in congress.

Midori–I never said that I agree with everything the Tea Party pushes for, I only stated that their efforts have resulted in tangible changes. In the business world, only results count. I’m not sure what world it is that making a lot of noise with “good intentions” means anything.

Midori

April 15th, 2012
2:09 pm

Q: Do auto workers really make more than $70 per hour?

A: No. That figure is derived from what the auto companies pay in wages, health, retirement and other benefits, and includes the cost of providing benefits to retirees.

That figure has caught hold with some conservatives, and it seeps into media coverage from time to time as well. A few examples: At a Nov. 19 House Financial Services Committee hearing on a possible bailout for the auto industry, Alabama Republican Rep. Spencer Bachus said, “Even with recent changes, the average hourly wage at General Motors is still $75 an hour. …” Two of his GOP colleagues on the panel made similar statements. And in a Nov. 18 column in the New York Times, business reporter Andrew Ross Sorkin wrote, “At GM, as of 2007, the average worker was paid about $70 an hour, including health care and pension costs.”

The problem is, that’s just not true.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
2:11 pm

I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in poverty. Actually, I’m more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are apparently doing quite well for themselves.
Jerry Garcia

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
2:12 pm

Then why in the F are you advocating it for someone else, particularly in regard to their own personal safety??

When did I do that? I was just responding to a post that you made at 1:27, see below:

IMO, any appeal to the Bible in support of non-violence is pretty foolish anyway if you believe basic Christian Doctrine.

Bruno you may have forgotten but I LOVE to debate! Debate, to me, is an art form; you are asked to look at BOTH sides of an issues either Pro or Con and frame your argument and/or response based on your findings.

Just because I took a different approach to a subject than YOU did, does not mean that I am “advocating” anything!

Midori –Hey Midori!! Saw this earlier about Miz Anne, truly “funny”; especially given all of this faux outrage over her being a stay at home mom or a working mother!!

And surely, taking care of a family is hard work. In Ann Romney’s case, managing the very elaborate Romney establishment — five children,three or four houses and two Cadillacs — probably takes as much labor as most jobs in the market economy. Within 24 hours, Rosen was apologizing to all those women laboring in their homes for implying that they don’t work.
In the furor, everyone seemed to forget that unpaid mothers and household work are not what the discussion is about. Republicans are not talking about how jobs for stay-at-home moms have decreased under Obama

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hilary-rosen-was-right-ann-romney-doesnt-speak-for-women-in-the-workforce/2012/04/13/gIQAqv3jFT_story.html

Midori

April 15th, 2012
2:14 pm

JamVet:

West is such a loser. And an embarrassment.

The sooner he goes away the better for the country.

Midori

April 15th, 2012
2:16 pm

Hi Debbie and thanks for the link :)

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
2:18 pm

First you say Obama is ruining the economy, wages, US, etc. and you’re angry with him about that……..Please pick one so that I’ll know how to respond to your comment– Thanks!

Sorry, Deb, I’m not limited to the inane choices that exist only in your mind, and I have no obligation to defend words that you try to put in my mouth.

Which is GREAT reason to roll over and meekly accept the status quo, huh?

Never said that, Am. Just pointing out how little effect the protesting has done so far, even with a supposedly sympathetic President to back them up.

Yesterday was an epiphany of sorts for me. You should have heard the stories, and the interconnectedness of us there. Again, black and white, old and young, union and non-union.

If you are honest to yourself, Am, that’s the entire appeal of OWS–camaraderie through commiseration. Which I don’t discount on the human level. However, y’all need to do it on your own dime and not disrupt legitimate business like they did out in Oakland and in other places. You need to find your own space to sleep in and stop trespassing. You need to stop wasting millions upon millions of precious, scarce taxpayer dollars on BS.

carlosgvv

April 15th, 2012
2:18 pm

Doggone/GA – 1:38
DebbieDoRight – 1:47

These posts show that when it comes to religious belief, you are totally unable to distinguish faith from fact. This serious intellectual failing also indicates a lack of any adult maturity and renders anything else you post here problematic at best.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
2:22 pm

Bruno, please watch that short film clip that I linked at 10:11.

As I said then, things don’t look good for your desperate wishes that millions of Americans are going to go back to your preferred method – rolling over and meekly accepting the status quo.

You say you want a revolution, I got bad news for you. This is NOT a revolution.

This will be a LONG term rebuilding of an American system that has been essentially destroyed for the greatest percentage of us.

It will not be tidy, and it will not be without great sacrifice and cost.

You see the cries for justice and freedom and patriotic civil disobedience as whining, but this is the way it ALWAYS begins.

And in time the focus and the message and the methods coalesce and crystallize and become laser focused against corruption and injustice and this perverted plutocracy and the anti-American takeover of we the people’s sovereignty by BIG business.

We ended systemic overt racism in this country and we ended the treating of women as second class citizens and we ended the Viet Nam war.

We the 99% WILL end the War on the Middle Class.

Get on board, because the train is just getting rolling…

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
2:22 pm

DF–My favorite Jerry quote of all time came in response to an interviewer who tried to bait him by saying that certain other bands had “sold out”. Jerry laughed and said “We’ve been trying to sell out for years, but unfortunately, nobody’s buying!”.

That’s why I have Jerry’s image burned into my skin, and not someone else’s. He didn’t use his philosophy to place himself above other people. He knew the difference between righteousness and self-righteousness.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
2:26 pm

No. That figure is derived from what the auto companies pay in wages, health, retirement and other benefits, and includes the cost of providing benefits to retirees.

In case you never owned a business, Midori, total employee compensation is what matters, not simply the per hour salary. Those non-salary costs aren’t fictional, they come from the same pocket as the salary costs, and all fall under the category of labor costs.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
2:30 pm

supposedly sympathetic President to back them up.

Supposedly is the key word.

He dares NOT take on the oligarchs and to that extent he is a damn fine Republican.

Hey, I’ve got an idea!

Let’s all go protest out in the middle of the desert instead of on Wall Street! That way nobody gets offended (excpet the mass slanderers) and nobody is affected at all!

Did you not read that Douglass quote???

This is not a game.

29% of American homeowners are underwater.

6,000,000 homes have been lost in this meltdown. SIX MILLION!

43% of Americans are on the edge of poverty.

Hundreds of thousands don’t even qualify for extended unemployment benefits anymore.

Since 1973, 40,000,000 American jobs have been lost or sent overseas. FORTY MILLION!

Countless college grads now have the same employment prospects as blue collar workers.

Yeah, so let’s just sit on our asses – LIKE WE’VE ALWAYS DONE – and make nary a peep.

F&CK THAT.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
2:31 pm

Matti: AGREED! Haha… It’s always better to be underestimated than overestimated. Those who OOZE the kind of arrogance that makes them think they can’t lose are funny aren’t they? Yep, y’all DO keep telling us how impervious you are, and how silly we are. That’s right. If brains were fists, we couldn’t punch our way out of a brown paper bag, right? You big strong infallible conservo-trons just keep on believing that. Hahaha!

Word! We’ll sneak up on em and before they know it, they’ll be holding hands and singing KumByAh with the rest of us!

Midori: educate YOURSELF and read up on the silly law just signed by the Arizona governor.

Speaking of stupid laws………………

Last week, the Alabama Senate voted to repeal the state’s constitutional prohibition against interracial marriage, 32 years after the Supreme Court struck down Virginia’s similar ban. Hadn’t these archaic laws gone out with Bull Connor? I asked myself as I read the news account. And haven’t we been hearing that America has rediscovered the melting pot, that in another generation or two we’ll all be “cablinasian,” like Tiger Woods?
I talked to the measure’s main sponsor, state Rep. Alvin Holmes, a 24-year statehouse veteran who has been trying to overturn the ban for decades. “The last time I tried was about three years ago,” said Holmes. “It didn’t get out of committee.” Holmes credits his success to the last election, in which a bevy of Democrats were swept into office.
Holmes wasn’t just tidying up the legal code. In parts of rural Alabama, he said, probate judges still refuse to issue marriage licenses to interracial couples. Holmes explained that some of his Alabama colleagues opposed his measure because they willfully refused to accept that the federal government had the power to override state law—an ideology of states’ rights that goes way beyond Newt Gingrich to John Calhoun.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/recycled/2008/06/white_weddings.html

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
2:31 pm

“These posts show that when it comes to religious belief, you are totally unable to distinguish faith from fact”

You are judging from 2 tiny little statements? They tell you NOTHING about my ability to separate faith from fact. IN FACT, my faith and what it tells me about FACTS has led to me being accused of not being TRUE CHRISTIAN by others who really can’t tell faith from fact.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
2:37 pm

carlos- then the only thing for you to do is to save yourself and don’t read our posts! You may learn something by reading them, but you would probably not know what to do with the knowledge anyway………

:roll:

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
2:41 pm

Just because I took a different approach to a subject than YOU did, does not mean that I am “advocating” anything!

DDR–The reason I’m a little passionate about this subject is that, like Newt, I’m a little frightened by a world in which all of the power is concentrated in the hands of a few, which is what happens when people aren’t allowed to own weapons. It’s not a theory, there are many examples throughout history and in our current world of brutal dictatorships in which the first order of business is to disarm the population. Though you’ve backtracked, and stated that you are NOT advocating not defending yourself, you suggested that anyone calling him/herself a Christian should do exactly that.

Might have made a good topic for serious debate. Unfortunately, the quality of the blog often relates to the quality of the blog host’s initial post. Hard to take anything Jay says right now very seriously.

MightyRighty

April 15th, 2012
2:41 pm

Below is a link to a study done by two University professors who set out to prove that gun ownership led to increased murders and or suicides. The professors were stunned to find out there is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership, quantity of guns legal or otherwise and murder or suicide by guns. This is a study of Canada, U.S. Mexico, Western and Eastern Europe and Russia for in some case centuries. The study in fact produced startling results. For example, the highest murder rates and suicide rates by fire arms are in Russia a country were all guns are banned. The highest murder rate in the U.S. is Washington D.C. where guns are banned. The lowest murder and suicide rates are in places like Germany and France where gun ownership is legal. I could bore you with scads of statistics but those with a political agenda either won’t read something uncomfortable or prefer ignorance to the truth.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMa...

Midori

April 15th, 2012
2:43 pm

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
2:53 pm

You see the cries for justice and freedom and patriotic civil disobedience as whining, but this is the way it ALWAYS begins.

And in time the focus and the message and the methods coalesce and crystallize and become laser focused against corruption and injustice and this perverted plutocracy and the anti-American takeover of we the people’s sovereignty by BIG business.

Jam–I’m sure you know from direct, personal experience that I’m a “man of the people”. The most uncomfortable place I ever ate lunch at was the Pinehurst Country Club in NC, supposedly one of the swankiest places around. I couldn’t help feel uncomfortable that all of the patrons were white, while all of the wait staff was black. I wanted so badly to jump up and tell the waiter to have a seat while I got him a plate of food.

Economically, I feel the same way. It would be great if no one ever had to struggle to just stay afloat, that we could all live roughly about the same. But, as long as the rich earn their money honestly, I don’t see where I can–or should–try to fundamentally change the system other than to enforce current laws.

While it’s true that all of the noble societal changes started with a protest going at least back to the Magna Carta, not every protest is noble and not every protest leads to fundamental change. You seem to have a gambler’s instinct that something positive is going to result from OWS, but my instinct says the opposite. I guess only time will tell who’s right.

Thulsa Doom

April 15th, 2012
2:56 pm

“It’s not a theory, there are many examples throughout history and in our current world of brutal dictatorships in which the first order of business is to disarm the population”

History is squarely on the side of the conservatives in this argument and in particular in regards to despots disarming the population. But the first lesson of history is that people forget history.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
3:00 pm

Though you’ve backtracked, and stated that you are NOT advocating not defending yourself, you suggested that anyone calling him/herself a Christian should do exactly that.

I’ve never backtracked, nor advocated anything. If you feel that I have, please point out the post in which this appears.

I’ve stated here before that IMO Christianity is not an “either” “or’ proposition. IMO you can’t change the truth about Christianity or the Bible by trying to morph it into your own personal views.

Millions of religions are started by this one book (Bible) and the fact that other people try to shape it into THEIR image instead of shaping their lives around its (the bible’s-teachings). IMO.

283 more days

April 15th, 2012
3:10 pm

Midori

April 15th, 2012
1:59 pm

i might add that the tea-tards are basically responsible for putting most of these loons in office – statewide and in congress.

I might add that if these were such terrible loons that were voted in, just how loney were the DemocRats that they replaced?

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
3:10 pm

I’ve stated here before that IMO Christianity is not an “either” “or’ proposition. IMO you can’t change the truth about Christianity or the Bible by trying to morph it into your own personal views.

If that is your true position here, Deb, than you and I ARE on the same wavelength. If the Bible is the Word of God, then it must be taken “literally”. Which, of course, is impossible to do unless you suspend every bit of common sense and any throw any reasonable perception of physical reality out the window. Which only leaves us with the Cherry Picking School of Theology. Which I’m actually okay with, as long as the person is honest about it. Many aren’t, at least publicly.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
3:17 pm

but 2000 years from now I seriously doubt you will have millions of believers called Brunoians.

Doggone–I think they will simply refer to themselves as “Brunos” and “Brunettes”. Kind of like we all have “Buddha Nature”, we also have “Bruno Nature”. Kind of like “Buddha Nature”, but sexier. ;-)

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
3:18 pm

B, to your point, that I agree with, about you being a man of the people, it makes it difficult, at least in my mind, to square that with your “depreciating the agitators”.

You talk about the rich earning their money honestly.

In an dishonest system. Again I implore you to watch that segment from…

http://www.heist-themovie.com/

It provides a wonderful synopsis with many details of EXACTLY what has happened to us as working Americans over the past thirty plus years.

In great attempts, it is glorious even to fail. ~Cassius Longinus

And I believe that this is a great and glorious attempt.

But, that ’s me!

Hiya Doomy, Hope you’re enjoying your weekend.

Brought to you by………………………………. the labor movement! (grin)

MightyRighty

April 15th, 2012
3:21 pm

One thing to remember about Judeo Protestant Religions, is that it all comes from the same source. It gets changed at the retail level. Keep the Commandments and you will be just fine.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
3:22 pm

Bruno, Literally is a figurative word. Maybe not “literally” but in the vein in which it’s presented. Some teachings by Jesus were done by example but many were done by parable, in which the disciples were asked to give their opinion on the correct path the person in the parable should go and then Jesus either agreed, disagreed, or corrected their assumption.

People say “the bible is mysterious”; because of the “mixed” messages it sends. For instance; when God put the mark on Cain after he slew Able and he went out into the world, they ask “Where did all the other people come from if there were only 4 people in the world at that time?”

But where in the bible does it state that, AT THaT TIME, there were only 4 people in the world? That’s just an assumption MAN makes. That’s one theory.

Another theory is that the Catholic church, who put together the bible and its many books; deliberately did not piece together or put together a complete or total bible. That way, the theory goes, Priests and Bishops of the church would still be needed to decipher the bible to the common man.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
3:29 pm

that should read Kings as well as the common man.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
3:36 pm

Rep. Willie Talton, R-Warner Robins, likewise pointed to tough economic times as a reason for his tax liens.

Talton was among the worst offenders when the AJC last looked at liens placed on state lawmakers, with dozens of outstanding liens on rental houses he owned in Houston County.

Since the original story ran, court records show, Talton paid $17,149 in back taxes, penalties and interest, satisfying 35 of the liens. He had no new liens.

“I’m just trying to take care of my obligations,” he said, adding that he was having trouble collecting rent from his tenants. “They are having hard times. They are not paying.”

Trickle down success. Georgia style…

Thulsa Doom

April 15th, 2012
3:39 pm

JamVet,

What up man? Having a great weekend. Hope ya’ll all had a great weekend. I just decided to tune in for a little bit. Was gonna sample a couple of those premium Rums we were talking about the other day but just had a nice dinner instead Friday night. Sat. night I went to the laser light show at Stone Mountain and just drank beer. I think next week I’ll get into some of those premium liquors. Bout to head back out. Another nice day out here and I’m going to do another 8.33 mile walk. Ticks me off that I can’t do the 5 mile or 5k run like B and PB. Doomy too fat now for the pounding on the knees.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
3:39 pm

josef will be happy to learn this.

One of our most fave MOT artists…

CLEVELAND — Piano-playing songstress Laura Nyro has been inducted posthumously into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Nyro, who died 15 years ago at 49, smoothly incorporated gospel, jazz and other styles into her music, which has inspired artists for years and is being embraced by a new generation.

Although she never made it big commercially, other artists like Blood, Sweat & Tears and Three Dog Night had hits with her songs.

Bette Midler inducted Nyro and called her an artist for whom “love was the main thing.” Midler said Nyro captured the passionate and romantic essence of New York City.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShOZKLUAJU8

Midori

April 15th, 2012
3:40 pm

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
3:45 pm

Doomy too fat now for the pounding on the knees.

Too funny.

Since blood clots laid waste to my lungs, my joke now is that my 86 year old mom and I are perfect walking mates!

Getting older is kinda ugly at times, but damn if I don’t love it anyway.

For the oh so sweet Ms. Nyro…

Laura, I saw you open in LA
There’s something I gotta say

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqYNJXr15u4

Mamouian

April 15th, 2012
3:45 pm

Like clockwork, Jay Bookman writes some inane claptrap that he must think is funny and his minions and lapdogs are in a big hurry to guffaw their approval. It’s a wonderfully predictable incestuous little arrangement.

Thulsa Doom

April 15th, 2012
3:46 pm

“But where in the bible does it state that, AT THaT TIME, there were only 4 people in the world? That’s just an assumption MAN makes”

Debbiedoright,

There’s a few things we make assumptions about in the bible. One is that a lot of Christians make the assumption that its just us in the universe. But the Bible does make mention of other “worlds” which makes me think perhaps there are other intelligences out there- But that the Bible or the Lord doesn’t go into that because we are not ready for that step of communicating with more perfect worlds or intelligences. I dunno but if I ever make it to heaven I would ask him if if we are not alone or if there are other worldly intelligences out there.

Midori

April 15th, 2012
3:48 pm

Thulsa Doom

April 15th, 2012
3:51 pm

JamVet,

I never heard of Nyro but if she wrote songs for 3 dog night my favorite soft band of the 70s then that’s all I need to know about her talent.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
3:53 pm

JamVet–Out of respect for you, I just watched the entire 22+ min segment you put up in an effort to understand the motivations of folks like you who are very sympathetic to OWS, and even took notes!! Bottom line is that the film is a mirror of the OWS Movement itself: One or two good ideas mixed in with a lot of crap. I’ll address some of the fundamental points in the next few posts. Too much for one post.

The film starts off making sense, pointing to some of the good things to come out of the New Deal, including SSI, FDIC insurance, SEC regulation and the Glass-Steagal Act. They continue by listing additional regulatory “successes” of the 1970s such as OSHA and the EPA, making a larger point that regulation = good. That may be somewhat debatable, but I’ll set that argument aside to move forward with the narrative.

At this point, the film makes a sharp left turn and starts making a lot of bogus claims. For starters, they claim that all of the New Deal legislation is directly credited to labor unions. I’m sure FDR will be surprised to learn that. Then they trump up some imaginary assault on unions beginning with Reagan in 1981, then further claim that Reagan somehow repealed and undid “most” of the New Deal legislation. Huh??

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
3:58 pm

Midori, a great headline about today’s situation regarding the likely women vote in November.

It is not a gender gap, it is a gender canyon.

getalife

April 15th, 2012
4:01 pm

doomy,

LSU swept Alabama.

Whooped them bad.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
4:02 pm

The bogusry then continues by focusing on taxes, advancing a case that our tax burden has been somehow shifted from the “rich” to the “middle class and poor” in the last several decades. They begin by focusing on Reagan’s cut on the top tax rate, but forget to mention that a number of loopholes were closed at the same time. They then wrongly lump together federal income taxes with FICA taxes in order to claim that the “effective tax rate” on rich folks is lower than the poor. The fact is that FICA taxation hasn’t changed, everyone pays in. Nothing new there. And, nothing new with the fact that the wealthy continue to pay the vast, vast majority of income taxes collected in our country. In other words, all of these “evil” schemes by rich people and corporations haven’t worked. The rich are paying more than ever in terms of the total tax burden.

280 more days

April 15th, 2012
4:08 pm

Midori,
Cartoons are great, very funny.
I guess you must agree with me about the lousy DemocRats they replaced, huh?
They must have been some kind of duds, sorry for your loss there.(not really)

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
4:15 pm

Then they trump up some imaginary assault on unions beginning with Reagan in 1981.

No, first Bernie Sanders and others explained the confidential memorandum The Attack on the Free Enterprise System released by Lewis Powell, soon to be US Supreme Court Justice, in 1971. The US Chamber of Commerce role and complicity was explained in the effort to ensure that big business interests would dominate public policy. Powell advocated a “vast purge of liberal elements in society”. He saw how corporate money “could own the media and talk louder” than organized labor and consumer protection groups.

He wrote that “businessmen should use their financial muscle to shape the politics of the country. Nor should there be reluctance to penalize politically those who oppose it.”

By 1978 business outspent organized labor 3 to 1 to defeat a bill that would make it easier for workers to join unions. This was the turning point in the decline of unions as a political voice of working Americans.

All that before Ronnie ever stepped into the White House.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
4:16 pm

After a foray into complaining about jobs moving overseas, the film comes to the meat of the matter: the repeal of Glass-Steagal and the resulting collapse of our economy after the housing bubble collapsed. To be fair, the film doesn’t attempt to wrongly dump the entire blame for everything at the feet of conservatives. The filmmaker rightly cast the blame on both political parties. Unfortunately, they leave out a lot of “big picture” facts, and characterize the crashed economy as a willful, deliberate act. No one in their right mind can believe that anyone planned for or wanted the economy to collapse. That it was an unavoidable consequence of the risky bank practices used might be a reasonable argument, but to project willfulness is too extreme. A lot of folks made money during the bubble’s rise, few upon its destruction.

In hindsight, repealing Glass-Steagl was a big mistake. But to be honest, the repeal of the law in 1999 wasn’t memorable to me, at least at the time. If it was mentioned in the press, it was done only in passing. I don’t recall any major focus on it, and few if any dire warnings about its possible effects. If I’m wrong about that, fill me in. But, once again, the damage is already done and corrective measures have been instituted. No one is going to give back the profits they made, so complaining about it now is useless.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
4:23 pm

Finally, the film ends with some mumbo-jumbo about how people aren’t really responsible for their own lives, their own decisions. Extremely offensive to me. The two examples they trot out are the housing/credit bust and Hurricane Katrina. As for the first, it is claimed on the film that regular people were “pushed” into taking advantage of the easy credit of the 2000s due to wage suppression. Total malarkey. No one ever forced someone to take out a line of credit. Many did so knowing full well that they couldn’t realistically pay the loans back. Or at least should have known.

As for Katrina, the film includes a highly offensive section, claiming that people were intentionally ignored because they were poor and black. IMO, any able bodied person still in town after all of the warnings has to take responsibility for their own fate. The bottom line is that the local and state government dropped the ball, though somehow Bush is supposed to be solely to blame. Self-responsibility is the message we should be pushing, not dependence on the government.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
4:24 pm

It then shows Reagan’s Mandate for Leadership that says, “the public sector cannot be subject to the direction of third party union officials” and that the target of Reaganomics was the labor movement.

One of his very first acts as POTUS was to dismantle the Air Traffic Controllers labor union, a signal as Sanders said, that it was open season on labor unions.

It makes the accurate point that labor unions do more than represent the interests of just their member, but all working Americans and list Social Security, unemployment compensation and Medicare as examples.

In 1950, 33% of American workers were unionized. Today it is about 7%. This was not an accident. Do you disagree that he and his operatives dismantled huge parts of the New Deal?

Josef

April 15th, 2012
4:27 pm

Ah, I see Brother Carlos, the tent revivalist is in with his certainties, “completely, ” “totally,” “in fact,” etc. Bless his heart.

Doggone/DDR

Y’all know, doncha, that you’re both gonna fry in the atheists’ AND the fundamentalists’ hell !! :-)

tireofit

April 15th, 2012
4:28 pm

“First you say Obama is ruining the economy, wages, US, etc.” Amazing how republicans always ignore the fall of 2008. Good times…NOT

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
4:29 pm

To finish rebutting your initial post, nowhere in the film does it state that …that all of the New Deal legislation is directly credited to labor unions.

It simply lays out the historically accurate facts that Ronald Reagan, Lewis Powell, the US Chamber of Commerce and big business and their proxy interests took on a huge new role of creating public policy, one that diminished the only two voices that historically protected American workers from them – the labor movement and the government.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
4:31 pm

“Y’all know, doncha, that you’re both gonna fry in the atheists’ AND the fundamentalists’ hell !!”

Well, they’ll think so. Since I don’t believe in either heaven or hell, it makes no nevermind to me.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
4:31 pm

Still hoping that Robin Gibb will be alright, but one last tribute, a song that used to pierce right through me. Join with me Jam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSxuvNGSrmc

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
4:43 pm

I saw that he was terribly sick, B.

What a damn shame, to be only 62 and likely looking at a very short life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykU8iSKkJR0

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
4:46 pm

To finish rebutting your initial post, nowhere in the film does it state that …that all of the New Deal legislation is directly credited to labor unions.

I’m referring to the segment which starts @ 7:53. The man claims that without unions, we wouldn’t have Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, or Medicare.

Bottom line, Jam, is that labor unions are almost an anachronism in the modern world. They are anti-consumer, and anti-business in general. Support them if you wish, but don’t expect any help via special laws and special exceptions like those that Obama rewarded his campaign contributors with.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
4:50 pm

Bruno,
In hindsight, repealing Glass-Steagl was a big mistake. But to be honest, the repeal of the law in 1999 wasn’t memorable to me, at least at the time.

Honestly, I only vaguely remember it as well. I was very busy but I don’t recall much coverage at all. This guy sure knew what he was talking about though. He even said the banks were gonna be “too big to fail”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2RzRv8yQXQ

josef

April 15th, 2012
4:53 pm

THULSA

Dig around on Nyro…you might not ever have heard OF her, but you’ll be surprised by how much you’ve heard FROM her and by whom…

ZamVet
‘Bout time, too…

Doggone

A little of Laura for ya on that one… :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5w3u0n_UEU

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
4:57 pm

josef–You never shared your friend’s opinion about Bruno. I’m hoping that my blog genius is appreciated by the masses. ;-)

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
4:57 pm

Thanks Josef

josef

April 15th, 2012
4:58 pm

BRUNO

Question…have you ever lived in a hurricane prone area and have you ever been in one? Do you go running to an inside room or the basement every time you hear a tornado watch or even warning?

josef

April 15th, 2012
5:00 pm

I know you want to know, egomaniac! Your taste in music was complimented, though…

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
5:01 pm

They are anti-consumer, and anti-business in general.

B, specifics please?

DF, the Republicans love Bill Clinton, though he signed legislation that more than any other single piece of law unleashed the devastation that was certainly coming.

I disagree with Bruno who contends that the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism, as I call it, or the more euphemistic “crashed economy” was not the result willful, deliberate acts. It was absolutely intentional and was planned. The men on Wall Street who caused these calamities are NOT stupid. Just insanely shrewd, greedy untouchable and immoral.

And of course, the Dick Cheneys and assorted other professional liars swore that “nobody saw this coming”, but OBVIOUSLY, Dingle, Nader, Stein, Warren and many others did.

The neocons were fools who championed foolishness to hide behind.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
5:01 pm

DF @ 4:50. Holy crap. That guy nailed it.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
5:03 pm

Doomy, she was beyond beautiful.

And a bunch of us died a little the day that she died so damn young.

Another mega-hit that she wrote…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfW41eKUkKE

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
5:07 pm

Nyro (born Laura Nigro) had a bunch of fine hits for the 5th Dimension including…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8kuo-TRZU8

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
5:07 pm

Do you go running to an inside room or the basement every time you hear a tornado watch or even warning?

josef–I understand what you’re saying. But, the Katrina warnings were different from my distinct memory. Everyone saw it on radar at least a week before landfall. It wasn’t a matter of speculation. Parking lots full of school buses not used doesn’t speak well f the local leadership. No water supplies at the Astrodome. Poor planing at its worst.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
5:09 pm

Wow, Jam. Major education about Laura Nyro today. Thanks.

josef

April 15th, 2012
5:11 pm

Doggone

My pleasure.

ZamVet

I’ll not join you on the Nyro posts…we’d be here until the wee hours of the morning and still not have scratched the surface…

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
5:12 pm

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
5:01 pm

DF @ 4:50. Holy crap. That guy nailed it.

Yes he did. The sad part is that only Wall Street benefited. It ended up being a major contributor to the housing bubble. And it had bipartisan support.

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
5:13 pm

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
5:15 pm

Tons of blame to go around vis a vis Katrina. To all sorts of people and organizations.

And George W. Bush certainly messed his part of the deal up horribly. And then threw salt in those wounds with his bizarre, incredibly stupid “You’re doing a heckuva job, Brownie” line.

Another major hit for the 5th Dimension…

Red, yellow honey
sassafras and moonshine
Stoned Soul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwSNbC9zK-w&feature=relmfu

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
5:15 pm

Yes he did. The sad part is that only Wall Street benefited. It ended up being a major contributor to the housing bubble. And it had bipartisan support.

There’s no doubt about any of that, DF, but I’m still challenging Jam as to how complaining about it now will do any good. No one’s giving the money back now.

josef

April 15th, 2012
5:18 pm

BRUNO

It was NOT the hurricane that did the damage, but the levee break and the floods…would I have left? Well, I’m a wuss. But I might have stayed.

The bottom line of Katrina, and there’s nothing to be gained by rehashing it, is that nobody in power gave a sh*t for days AFTER they saw what was going on and the only reason they finally came around was the bad PR we were getting internationally as the Third World conditions of the Big Easy and Uncle Sam’s Oldest Colony were out there for everyone to see…

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
5:19 pm

I, for one, reject the whole business/management vs unions/labor as a false dichotomy. I have seen business’s have legitimate grievance’s against unions and I have seen labor have legitimate grievance’s against management. And both continue to this day. It is the yin yang of capitalism and the real troubles starts when either gets too much power.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
5:20 pm

“but I’m still challenging Jam as to how complaining about it now will do any good. No one’s giving the money back now.”

Is anyone asking them to? “Complaining about it now” OUGHT to lead to proper and enforced laws to keep it from happening again.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
5:20 pm

No one’s giving the money back now.

And it gets even worse, B.

Our supposedly supportive prez has helped implement how many grand jury investigations, arrests and convictions of banksters, CEOs, rating agency heads or government employees?

Oh, that’s right.

ZERO. (He “preferred to look forward”.)

Meet the new boss…

Another huge hit. This one for Barbara Streisand…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6diadP-g_7s

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
5:21 pm

is that nobody in power gave a sh*t for days AFTER they saw what was going on

My understanding is that certain procedures needed to be followed before FEMA could mobilize. Didn’t Bush publicly urge the governor to get the ball rolling??

As for the whole affair being a PR black eye, no doubt. I guess we’re not perfect after all. I do reject the racial angle, however.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
5:25 pm

Bruno the problem still exists. It is slightly less dangerous with the capitalization requirements of the Frank Dodd bill but who knows how much less dangerous. And if you increase capitalization requirements too much (nobody knows how much is too much) you will choke off investment. I still think commercial banks and investment banks need to be kept separate to maintain financial stability.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
5:27 pm

Nyro had a relationship with singer/songwriter Jackson Browne in late 1970 to early 1971 before her 17 year relationship with Maria Desiderio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maN6eWQaL-U&feature=related

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
5:30 pm

“I, for one, reject the whole business/management vs unions/labor as a false dichotomy.”

And I don’t think it is false…but to leave the question at only that dichotomy is to focus on the wrong aspect of the relationship. The question, to me, is does it HAVE to exist? And I think the answer is no, it doesn’t have to. For instance, lawmakers could – if they chose – make them unneccessary with good, protective laws for BOTH sides. Or the 2 parties could work together, instead of in oppositiion to each other.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
5:30 pm

B again, I ask you how did complaining about civil rights change things for the better?

Because the combined voices finally got louder that the voices of injustice.

That’s how.

And that is how it will work this time. But the voices of injustice are infinitely more powerful and monied now, so the struggle will be a long and heart breaking one…

josef

April 15th, 2012
5:36 pm

BRUNO

Like I said, rehashing the failures from top to botton, Bush to the NOPD, should by now have been addressed and lessons learned, though the BP oil spill does make one wonder just how much attention is paid to that colorful lot of exotics down there when they’re not singing, dancing, and cooking, working for the Yankee dollar…

The racist angle is not some card being played, but a cold reality of things. If those had been mostly white folks crawling up out of the water, a lot more would have happened and a lot quicker. It doesn’t take a demographic genius or a knee-jerk liberal to calculate the recovery that’s taken place in the white and light skinned districts versus the darker ones.

And true, this is as much about economic class as it is skin tone, but when the two conjoin the way they do in New Orleans, it’s nigh impossible to discuss one without the other…

pogo

April 15th, 2012
5:40 pm

While many of Jay’s followers constantly define conservatives as tools for big money and big industry, the Obama Whitehouse limits access to the administration by the amount of money they recieve from the donor (lobbyist) in a way no one before him has. Basically, the Obama Whitehouse is one for sell to whomever gives them money to maintain power. Quid Pro Quo. Better look into it Amvet.

Tom Middleton

April 15th, 2012
5:41 pm

Give a man a gun and he thinks he’s God, but give a man God and he doesn’t need one!

Tom Middleton

April 15th, 2012
5:46 pm

In my opinion, they should change the name of the NRA to CINO or Christians In Name Only.

BADA BING

April 15th, 2012
5:49 pm

What happens when you don’t pay a Colombian hooker?

You get laid………off!

bman

April 15th, 2012
5:53 pm

Economy Can Handle Higher Gas Prices: Geithner

josef

April 15th, 2012
6:07 pm

Where did everybody go? It’s hard to be a reactionary when there’s nothing to react to.

josef

April 15th, 2012
6:12 pm

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
6:20 pm

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
5:30 pm

When I said “false dichotomy” I was referring to the one is good the other bad train of thought you see from both sides. I agree with you that working together IS the way forward but that can be difficult. I think a political solution would be even more difficult because you then get involved with the same type of thinking that prevents the two parties from getting anything done. If I’m not mistaken, and I may be, many German companies have union representation on their boards. I think that’s a good idea. Anybody who’s ever managed people know that the ones doing the “work” have some good ideas and will know if an idea will work or not. It’s just foolish not to get that input. I’d also think it would be wise for unions to tie their “demands” to company objectives and parameters of success where possible. It’s a lot more practical and for the unions would be much better PR than simply making demands.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
6:24 pm

DF – yes, it can be difficutl…but it can also be done. Check out the history of BellSouth and it’s unions. I may be off a bit, but not much I think when I say I think it’s been close to 20 years since they had a strike.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
6:27 pm

Orange 12

April 15th, 2012
6:28 pm

Al these libs complaining about gun laws. In a bad situation, what do you defend yourseves with? Nerf balls?

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
6:30 pm

“In a bad situation, what do you defend yourseves with? Nerf balls?”

Guns

josef

April 15th, 2012
6:39 pm

Doggone

Apropos to nothing, but the Seven Sisters and fence row roses are in full bloom…

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
6:41 pm

Josef – we haven’t quite got there yet way out here…just at the almost-open-heavy-buds stage.

Tom Middleton

April 15th, 2012
6:48 pm

Jay, I hear Zimmerman’s praying pretty fiercely these days, and wishes he’d been doing it BEFORE he bought a gun.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
6:58 pm

Did ya’ll get frost last week? We had some, guess that would be our “blackberry winter”. Kinda glad I hadn’t planted the tomato’s yet cause the frost hit the hydrangea’s pretty good and even got the tulip poplar a little. Thankfully the Japanese maple was spared since it takes forever (years) for them to recover and look good again.

josef

April 15th, 2012
7:05 pm

Doggone

Everything around here came in early this year. We still haven’t put in a lot of things we want to, laziness more than weather concerns. I did get the moss garden put in and Unmentionable already has green tomatoes big enough to fry.

Don’t Forget
There’s always a cold snap at Easter it seems. This may have been blackberry winter, though, because our blackberries are in late stage bloom. ‘Course you’re a ways north and higher elevation than we are here inside Atlanta.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
7:09 pm

“Everything around here came in early this year”

Yeah, it’s early here too…but being over 40 miles NE of Atlanta, we’re usually at least a week behind.

Midori

April 15th, 2012
7:10 pm

Josef,

I had to buy new trellises because my roses are out of control!! LOL!!

Blooms and growth EVERYWHERE!!! even the ones I planted late last year!! I’m still pruning those things :)

They are loving this early spring.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
7:14 pm

Josef
‘Course you’re a ways north and higher elevation than we are here inside Atlanta.

Actually, I was really surprised when I moved here to find out that Knoxville is at a lower elevation than Atlanta. We’re down in a valley between the Smokies and the Cumberland Mountains/plateau. Atlanta, on the other hand is on a little bit of a ridge.

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
7:17 pm

Oh yeah, my rhododendrons are starting to open, about 2-3 weeks early.

Tom Middleton

April 15th, 2012
7:18 pm

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
7:19 pm

“Actually, I was really surprised when I moved here to find out that Knoxville is at a lower elevation than Atlanta”

Yes, but you’re also further north…and that matters too.

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
7:20 pm

“Oh yeah, my rhododendrons are starting to open, about 2-3 weeks early.”

Heck, I went hiking last weekend and saw several flame azaleas (native wild azaleas) in full bloom…and they dont’ usually bloom until May

josef

April 15th, 2012
7:27 pm

Don’t Forget

I knew Knoxville was in a valley, but I did not know it was at a lower elevation…

Doggone,
It has been a beautiful one, though…the wisteria out back was amazing…

midori

Did a lot of pruning this year. We thought maybe we had gotten a little carried away with the peach tree, but that s*cker is absolutely covered with baby peaches…

josef

April 15th, 2012
7:28 pm

TOM

How’s your yard and garden turning out?

Doggone/GA

April 15th, 2012
7:31 pm

“It has been a beautiful one, though…the wisteria out back was amazing”

What’s been spectacular around here – so far – is the Royal Paulonia trees – just coveredn in HUGE purple blooms

josef

April 15th, 2012
7:42 pm

Doggone

Was up in Floyd County a couple of weeks back on a moss picking expedition and couldn’t believe what all was already in bloom and what was already out of bloom.

Some of the mosses, particularly the deer moss, that should have still been wintry were already almost too mature to do what I wanted to do with them.

I may have told you, but one of my hobbies is doing scale model houses, churches, train stations and what have you. I put them in the moss garden. I had a hard time finding enough “flat moss” for the base layouts in the yards of the buildings…

kayaker 71

April 15th, 2012
7:47 pm

joseph,

If you ever want to plant a rose bush that is entirely bullet proof, needs no maintenance, no bug spray…. nothing…. and is beautiful, plant a Cherokee rose. I planted a 5 gallon plant on a trellis in my backyard three years ago and it is over 15 ft tall now and blooms every April. It had hundreds, perhaps thousands of blooms this year. State flower of Ga, white, five petal old growth rose. You won’t be sorry.

Soothsayer

April 15th, 2012
7:51 pm

josef

April 15th, 2012
7:52 pm

Kayaker

Love the Cherokee Rose…I’m sure you’re familiar with the legend?

http://www.powersource.com/cherokee/rose.html

Tom Middleton

April 15th, 2012
7:54 pm

Josef

Thanks, for asking Josef. I have a (legal) plant that I’ve kept alive for five years now, but I’m here today to research a possible book I may call “Instead Of a Gun: A Gun Owner’s Guide To Nonviolence.”

Thanks to you guys, I can now add: talk about all the pretty flowers, you know, like the ones that will be on innocent Travon’s grave for many more years to come.

As a teacher, I know you’re feeling it, too, man, imagining that happening to one of your cherished students. Have you talked to your class yet about what’s going on?

Soothsayer

April 15th, 2012
7:55 pm

kayaker 71

April 15th, 2012
8:00 pm

joseph,

Yes, I am originally from Oklahoma and that legend was repeated a number of times in our Oklahoma Heritage high school class. The Five Civilized Tribes seem to pose a somewhat dismal view of the Bureau of Indian Affairs at that time and rightfully so.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
8:03 pm

Sooth, in a way it is a tragic story.

Rush has all of that wealth and power and popularity (of sorts), yet when his days are over, he is probably first and foremost going to be remembered as the butt of a joke.

The consequences of his own immorality and hatefulness, all for money…

Soothsayer

April 15th, 2012
8:13 pm

Lush is nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece for the Fright-Wing. Preparing the gullible for a fascist America. Nothing more, nothing less.

Josef

April 15th, 2012
8:13 pm

Tom

Actually, my students have not mentioned it.

Kayaker,

I’m on iPad now and can’t link it. Are you familiar with the Priscilla hollyhock? If not you may want to google it,,,another flower story from the Removals.

Adam

April 15th, 2012
8:27 pm

Oh, look what I missed this Saturday… and of all the posts, this one gets me the most on topic:

“The right to bear arms comes from our Creator, not our government.”
– Newt Gingrich

The right to require all citizens of the United States to purchase heath insurance comes from our government, not from our Creator.
–???

Yes, clearly God wants us to bear arms and kill ourselves, because health care sure isn’t a right or anything. I wonder if some conservatives think we actually have a right to life? Probably only under certain circumstances, like “only if you’re like me, whatever criteria I decide that to be, otherwise you’re a dead mother*****”

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
8:28 pm

PlatinumBlack

April 15th, 2012
8:32 pm

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
8:37 pm

saywhat?

April 15th, 2012
8:43 pm

Did Newt happen to mention how God given gun rights tie in with female problems in ditches while hunting giraffes? Just curious.

Josef

April 15th, 2012
8:46 pm

Oh, dear, they’re stuck in the mushy stage….

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2012
8:52 pm

“Which end does the bullet come out of?”

Newt, first things first. Shiny metal end goes in your mouth…

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
9:05 pm

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
9:07 pm

Oh, dear, they’re stuck in the mushy stage….

With no end in sight. Jealousy will get you nowhere……

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
9:10 pm

Josef

April 15th, 2012
9:13 pm

Bruno

Believe it or not, well past the mushy stage and it’s waaaay better…no more pressure to do anything but be there

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
9:15 pm

no more pressure to do anything but be there

We’ve been in the “no pressure” zone for a while. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive….

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
9:16 pm

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:16 pm

Good evening everyone. Hope you have had a great weekend

Bruno

This is the song Sade opened up with last summer…… From the time she hit that stage it was on for 2 hours

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR5_rTCi-Bo&ob=av2e

He last song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKhfoKOTwZY&ob=av3e

She is incredible…… her band is so so tight

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
9:17 pm

Doom: One is that a lot of Christians make the assumption that its just us in the universe. But the Bible does make mention of other “worlds” which makes me think perhaps there are other intelligences out there- But that the Bible or the Lord doesn’t go into that because we are not ready for that step of communicating with more perfect worlds or intelligences. I dunno but if I ever make it to heaven I would ask him if if we are not alone or if there are other worldly intelligences out there.

Makes sense. I believe in creationism (when I’m asked about the God created heavens and earth in 7 days thing I always remind them of the verse that states a thousand years is but one day to God); and I’ve always marveled at the perfection of the body of man, the skies, the lakes and streams and of the placement of earth.

To me, it’s not totally random that Earth just happens to be placed at the correct place in the solar system to sustain life. If you want to take that further you’d have to ask yourself , “If the sun is a star, and the earth revolves around the sun, with the millions upon millions of stars in the sky, could there NOT be another earth with life upon it?”

Like I said, makes sense to me.

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:19 pm

PlatinumBlack

April 15th, 2012
9:24 pm

To my sweet darling honey bunny pie… :-D

http://youtu.be/kO5hdV7r67A

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
9:29 pm

Back at ya, honey pie smoochums baby sweetums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCyfpNfYwU

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:29 pm

Heard on radio that one of the Gibb brothers was in a coma

Going out to the Bee Gee fans and thanks to the Bee Gees for some hip tunes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxNJV83EMJw&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjppwVyoQww

Bruno

April 15th, 2012
9:30 pm

TBS–Must have been an awesome show. I’ve never seen her in person, only on DVD.

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:31 pm

Bruno

Nice Santana selection

I always thought that was a great tune

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
9:32 pm

Cherish The Day – WOW! That brought back memories!! Dudley dedicated that song to me at our reception — he even played it on guitar.

Dang Both! don’t do that again!! I don’t want or need anymore memories!!

Don’t play that song for me
‘Cause it brings back memories
Of days that I once knew
The days that I spent with you
Oh no, don’t let him play it
It fills my heart with pain
Please stop it right away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSoXJl2ALUk

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:33 pm

Bruno

At 50 she has more energy than probably 90% of those wrong artists who are doing mostly lip syncing…….

She is so elegant, sexy and smooth on the stage

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:35 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 15th, 2012
9:36 pm

Back at ya, honey pie smoochums baby sweetums:

Well, this kind of stuff is going to be the ruin of blogs yet. Get a room, you two. There’s some things a good GA redneck don’t do out in public.

JamVet

April 15th, 2012
9:50 pm

No doubt that Everything’s Coming Our Way is one fine song from beginning to end.

Searing guitar solo by Neal Schon….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wwfUEM3BWU

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:52 pm

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
9:52 pm

Thanks Both – You’ve just given me some memories that I’d tried to forget!! Oh well, Tequila is always a good memory eraser!

They BOTH suck

April 15th, 2012
9:59 pm

DDR

My apologies…….. Had I known, I wouldn’t have played them…….

Do hope you have a good night and a great week

Mick

April 15th, 2012
10:01 pm

Pretty much been out of it this weekend but someone sent me this and I agree it is absolutely amazing!!!!

http://www.wimp.com/chinesehands/

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
10:03 pm

If you’re a “foodie” and/or just looking for something different to do on the weekend (In atlanta) check this out. It’s first “official” day was today, although they’ve been having little get togethers all over the city. They even did a write up about them in today’s AJC.

http://www.atlantaundergroundmarket.com/

Everyone have a great night, be safe, and I’ll “talk” to you later.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

April 15th, 2012
10:05 pm

Both – No problem; I just have to get over it! No worries.

independent thinker

April 15th, 2012
10:17 pm

” A well regulated Militia being necessary for the security of a free state” gives individuals the limited right to own firearms – These were words of the creators of our Constitution. God told Newt, the NRA and Scalia not to take it literally. We all know only the left and liberals read the Constitution literally.

I am sure George Zimmerman, Gerald Loeghner ,the virginai Tech mass murderer and others wackos who legally owned guns would qualify as members of a well regulated militia.

BADA BING

April 15th, 2012
11:02 pm

Is the Administration going to provide birth control for the Colombian hookers?

BADA BING

April 15th, 2012
11:11 pm

The SS scandal in Colombia should be called ‘Pesos for Besos’

Don't Forget

April 15th, 2012
11:51 pm

Bada – wonder if they had protection?

Jimmy62

April 16th, 2012
12:07 am

Jay, I’m not sure if you realized this, but having a gun and killing someone aren’t the same thing. And there are plenty of ways to kill people without guns. Living a moral life, and having a gun, are not mutually exclusive. By your logic, we should all cut our hands off, because all it takes is a well placed hand to someone’s throat to kill them.

So basically you are saying that because God said “Thou shall not kill”, we should cut off our hands. And feet, because those can kill, too. Heck, let’s just all starve to death, so that no one can kill anyone else.

Oscar

April 16th, 2012
12:28 am

Whatever th paroblem is, it’s not guns. Guns are not the problem. Got to look somewhere else to answer that question. Look somewhere else.

Contradiction

April 16th, 2012
6:39 am

Ok… Everyone loves to point out that God says Thou Shall Not Kill, like they’re trying to prove people who are Christian are contradicting their beliefs when they also support gun rights. Allow me to point out that King Saul lost his kingdom because he did not follow God’s command to kill every one who followed Amalek. Saul sparred the king Amalek, the women and children, and the cattle. God has approved “murder” He even killed all the innocent first born of Egypt. Now I don’t want to start a religious debate, I just want to say stop using the whole “Thou shall not kill” argument against gun rights.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 16th, 2012
6:41 am

I think Jimmy62 was having a bad nip experience last night… :)

Doggone/GA

April 16th, 2012
6:56 am

“God has approved “murder” He even killed all the innocent first born of Egypt. Now I don’t want to start a religious debate, I just want to say stop using the whole “Thou shall not kill” argument against gun rights.”

So…are you saying that anyone who owns a gun has a license to kill…straight from God?

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:12 am

Bada @ 11.11, somewhat surprisingly that phrase returned, per the Google, “About 6,710,000 results.”

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
7:12 am

Arm puppies!

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
7:14 am

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

He did not say to kill them but he did tell them to arm themselves.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:15 am

Whatever th paroblem is, it’s not guns. Guns are not the problem.

While I’m in general agreement with you that they’re not *the* problem, ridiculously unfettered access to them throughout the vast majority of the US, I believe, certainly doesn’t help.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:19 am

Night train @ 7.14, when His disciples informed that they *had* two swords, what was His response?

Did He tell them “best git out there an’ git some more?”

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:20 am

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
7:26 am

Well there is that sticky problem of the killer old testament and the peaceful word of Christ.

Gotta’ pick one.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:37 am

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
7:37 am

One ’sword’ or a dozen, I do not see how it makes any difference. A person might have multiple weapons but he only pulls one trigger at a time.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:38 am

I do not see how it makes any difference.

Sounds like Jesus is ok with regulating arms, to me.

Rightwing Troll

April 16th, 2012
7:42 am

“So…are you saying that anyone who owns a gun has a license to kill…straight from God?”

That appears to be how quit a few of the wingnuts think here.

Obviously having a boom stick tucked in yer waistband makes up up for certain other inadaquacies in the same general nether regions…. Are there any real men in the GOP?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
7:43 am

Jesus’ dad armed us.

A left arm and a right arm.

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
7:43 am

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. He said if you don’t have one, then buy one. He does not tell them they can only have one.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 16th, 2012
7:48 am

“So…are you saying that anyone who owns a gun has a license to kill…straight from God?”

http://lolcats.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/04/13/funny-cat-pictures-whuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttt/

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
7:49 am

How does being armed indicate that a person has a license to kill? Being armed has nothing to do with “make up for certain other inadequacies”. Or does owning a knife, fork and spoon make a person obese?
The logic of some on here really defies normal logic and common sense.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 16th, 2012
7:51 am

Beat your swords into plow shares is the best advice I’ve seen.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:51 am

NT, this like most any other bit of scripture is open to interpretation of course; I realize one could claim that “it is enough” is simply Jesus’ way of saying “we’re done here” and attach no other significance to it.

Still… just two swords among twelve guys?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
7:54 am

I don’t care is sane people want to own firearms.

I don’t get it, but I don’t care.

Uncle Billy

April 16th, 2012
7:55 am

Does the right to bear arms extend to thermonuclear devices?

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
7:55 am

LIke everything in the Bible, it is up to the reader to interpret and find their meaning. I always found that Gen 1:29 tells me it is God desire that I smoke a little herb.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
7:55 am

stands

funny thing about my buddy Jesus….multiplied loaves and fishes
and still just two swords.

that’s one man who had his priorities straight.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:56 am

Yet another take on that “two swords” business.

http://www.amazingfacts.org/radio/bible-answers-live-question-archive/ctl/playmedia/mid/731/mdid/2298.aspx

Pastor Doug: We’re not talking a physical sword because if you live by that, you die by it.

Caller: Right.

Pastor Doug: It’s like when even David went against Goliath he said, ‘You come against me with a sword, a spear and a shield, but I come against you with the Lord.’ And David did use a sword that day but the trust of Christians should never be in physical armaments.

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
7:57 am

Billy, technically yes. But common sense tells us that ain’t gonna happen… I hope!

JamVet

April 16th, 2012
7:57 am

Good morning, all.

Normal, I love this one…

Beat our swords into plowshares on the anvil of a pure heart ~Todd Rundgren, No World Order 1993

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
7:57 am

I always found that Gen 1:29 tells me it is God desire that I smoke a little herb.

Ah. A Column 4/Row 6 Libertarian?

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2012
7:58 am

If you liberals don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. But don’t try to take mine away. Now that’s pretty simple, even for a liberal.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:00 am

But don’t try to take mine away.

putting limits on the kinds of clips you can buy, applying reasonable waiting periods for full background checks, etc., do not constitute “taking away.”

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
8:01 am

kayaker 71

AS long as you can prove you are sane and over 21 you can have a gun ok?

That’s pretty simple. Which is hard for YOU.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:01 am

…and I hasten to add, if you were to apply the most stringent types of gun control typically applied in certain urban centers and left-leaning states of the United States to the entire nation, we’d still have far looser gun regs than most of the industrialized world.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:02 am

but hey, if you think you can sell “the Dems want to grab your guns” in absence of ANY evidence this election cycle, go for it.

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
8:02 am

SD, it goes back to the old saying… God made weed, man made alcohol, who do you trust? And there is a difference between a buzz and being blasted. :)

Thomas

April 16th, 2012
8:04 am

Anybody hear how Cynthia Tucker is doing at UGA?

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:06 am

TD, a long time ago I read a legal advice column (think it was in Rolling Stone) when some defendant was quoted as complaining to his lawyer, “how can they bust me for something that grows in the ground?”

And while the columnist was having a bit of a laugh at the defendant’s naivete, it actually *is* a reasonable question, when you think about it. It’s a flippin’ weed.

NIght Train

April 16th, 2012
8:08 am

I do not agree with limits on the size of magazines or type of firearms but I do think proper training in gun safety and a being instructed on when deadly force is allowed should be a minimun before carrying a firearm. I do not see a major difference between having 2 or 3 – 10 round mags and having 2 or 3 – 20 round mags. With practice you can reload in less than 3 seconds.

JamVet

April 16th, 2012
8:09 am

Does the right to bear arms extend to thermonuclear devices?

Nope, nor aircraft carriers, nor B2 bombers.

The court has consistently upheld and, as recently as 2008 Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, wrote that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and is subject to reasonable prohibitions and regulations.

Also those types of weapons fall under the purview of national security concerns.

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:11 am

what test proves sanity?
it should be given to all
government officials.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 16th, 2012
8:13 am

JamVet

April 16th, 2012
8:09 am

My beef with the Supreme Court is to what they consider “reasonable prohibitions and regulations.” To my mind assault weapons and extended magazines are not reasonable.

JamVet

April 16th, 2012
8:14 am

Thomas,

Is your research thingy broken?

April 4, 2012 – 4:00 pm to 5:00 pm

Cynthia Tucker
Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper journalist

The lecture honors Mary Frances Early, the first African-American student to earn a degree from UGA, and her legacy. This year’s lecture celebrates the 50th anniversary of her graduation with a master’s degree in music education in 1962. She completed her specialist in education degree in 1967.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 16th, 2012
8:14 am

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:11 am
…and I’ll take that one step further. Anyone even saying they want to run for office, do a psychological profile on them… :)

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:14 am

No naturally occurring
substance should be
banned by law from
consumption.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
8:15 am

barking frog

what test would satisfy you?

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2012
8:15 am

Responsible gun owners are usually not the problem just as responsible drivers usually don’t cause accidents. But in a liberal’s mind, some gun nut with a gun tucked in his waistband, making up, in some way for a short package is the apt description for someone who is a gun owner. The enemies of the second amendment abound in most liberal circles although I am sure that there a hundreds of thousands of responsible liberal gun owners. But liberal logic dictates that if they don’t like guns, no one should have one.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:15 am

I do think proper training in gun safety and a being instructed on when deadly force is allowed should be a minimun before carrying a firearm.

Honestly? given that I have a better-than-most idea of what’s really involved in scenario training (which, I agree, would be a Good Thing as a requirement for firearm ownership, certainly for handgun ownership since one presumes you don’t generally buy a handgun for hunting)–I think you’d have a far tougher time getting *that* legislated, than most any firearm hardware restriction you can imagine.

People are kind of lazy, and don’t like being told they gotta go back to school, is the problem.

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:16 am

Normal
I agree.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:17 am

The court has consistently upheld and, as recently as 2008 Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, wrote that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and is subject to reasonable prohibitions and regulations.

yeah, even Pat Buchanan, when asked about the right to bear (I think it was something like) an unlicensed 120mm mortar, he replied “if it’s big enough that you have to tow it, you’ll need a license for that.”

JamVet

April 16th, 2012
8:19 am

Normal,

Reasonable is an interesting word, huh? Particularly, if unreasonable men are defining it. And the United States Supreme Court is not immune from having unreasonable men on it. See corporate lawyer and representative of the big tobacco lobby turned jurist, Lewis Powell…

Adam

April 16th, 2012
8:19 am

DDR: Makes sense.

I disagree. I think whether or not the Bible mentions other worlds, we are either alone in the universe or we’re not. We don’t need to Bible to determine the answer to that. Just sayin.

Adam

April 16th, 2012
8:20 am

Does the right to bear arms extend to thermonuclear devices?

Yes. We have a constitutional right to own any arms we see fit, dammit!

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:20 am

Granny
None that I am aware of,
but I’m open to
suggestion.

Adam

April 16th, 2012
8:22 am

Here’s a question: If we can’t do anything to control guns, or any other type of arms, then what proposal do you have for reducing gun violence BEFORE it happens, as opposed to letting lots of people die, and THEN letting each perpetrator live for years in a jail subsidized by your tax dollars? Hmm?

Adam

April 16th, 2012
8:23 am

If it’s big enough you have to tow it? Suppose it’s a tiny little explosive device that you can fire just like a pistol, but it blows up a tank? Do you need a license if they just make weapons that destroy tanks small enough to conceal and carry?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
8:23 am

Kayaker 71

the liberals who think all guns should be banned are as wrong as the
cnservatives who want to arm everybody.

again, if you are sane and over 21….

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 16th, 2012
8:24 am

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:24 am

Outlaw all guns. Declare
war on outlaws with guns.
BTW I own 3.

[...] defense of gun rights. If elected president, he said, he will “submit to the … Read more on Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) Tags: Column, cuts, Gingrich, hopeful, interview, Newt, short, [...]

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2012
8:31 am

Granny,8:23,

I am not so sure that all liberals want to ban guns as I am not so sure that all conservatives want everyone to own a gun. That’s pretty sweeping logic, my friend. But I will say that most anti second amendment rants usually come from the liberal camp, ie, Holder and his bunch. It would be interesting to see what the public reaction would be if Holder was successful in his bid to ban hand gun ownership with the electorate. Think most gun owners would give them up? I didn’t think so.

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:32 am

A gun is a tool to protect
and provide that is no
longer needed. They
can be kept out of the
country. Look at what
has happened to drugs
since war was declared.

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:39 am

A ban on guns would
boost the mexican
economy and all
illegals would self
deport.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
8:40 am

kayaker

ALL? WHy do you say ALL?

I didn’t say all?

All?

Really?? ALL?

Now please point us to AG Holders bid to ba hand gun ownership?

Did Wayne LaPierre whisper that into your ear?

ALL, golly Kayaker….all.

Mr. Silly Pants.

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:41 am

Obama/Biden 2016.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
8:41 am

Actually I used the word ALL…but did not say

“all liberals want to ban guns as I am not so sure that all conservatives want everyone to own a gun”

kayaker can you keep your focus please….

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:45 am

Yes, Focus Kayaker, you
silly man…

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
8:49 am

Repeal Presidential term
limits. Obama like
Roosevelt needs 4
terms to get the economy
back on track.

Donovan

April 16th, 2012
8:52 am

Very funny, Mr. Bookman. But, very pitiful.

You remind me of an elitist boat captain sitting on the stern of your vessel eating a tuna sandwich with one hand while chumming for sharks (your blogging liberals)
with the other hand and all the while giving an interview to the New York Times, Washington Post, and the LA Times about your world of Jayisms.

Maybe you can interest that left wing Luckovich to illustrate you in his next cartoon if the DNC allows him?

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:54 am

I will say that most anti second amendment rants usually come from the liberal camp, ie, Holder and his bunch.

I really would like to hear just one quote, in context, from Eric Holder that would qualify as “anti-second amendment.”

I’m not even asking for something he might have said that would indicate that the 2nd amendment was kind of dumb (which, for the record, I think is true–mostly because I think it was a wishy-washy way of getting around the raging debate as to whether the Feds would maintain a standing army). I just want to hear what he’s said that would make gun owners think their ownership of existing arms was somehow in jeopardy.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
8:55 am

Boat envy @ 8.52.

TaxPayer

April 16th, 2012
8:57 am

The Newt and Cheney should go hunting and maybe take their loyal following along with them. Make it a group event.

lovelyliz

April 16th, 2012
9:04 am

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

To the self-professed constitutional “literalists”: the 2nd Amendment doesn’t mention bullets

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
9:06 am

lovelyliz

but it does mention a well regulated militia….

odd little amendment ain’t it.

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2012
9:21 am

Stands,

You are not that naive, I am sure. Holder and his gang have been trying to wrest the guns from gun owners for as long as Holder has been in any kind of position to do so. Fast and Furious was a failed attempt to do just that.

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
9:21 am

The 2nd doesn’t mention
guns.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

April 16th, 2012
9:22 am

“well, of course it will take more than two terms to clean up this mess.
Whether its Harding/Hoover or Little Nero w/a Cowboy Hat.
The responsible humans always clean up after the **-ups.”

–Captain Obvious Jefferson

Lyman Hall

April 16th, 2012
9:23 am

“The right to bear arms comes from our Creator, not our government.”
– Newt Gingrich
.
What moon-shoot Newt fails to realize is that for a majority of government-mal-educated Statist Obama/Romney supporting citizens of the USSA …………..the government IS their creator.

Adam

April 16th, 2012
9:24 am

Interesting… no new sheets yet…

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2012
9:26 am

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. It doesn’t mention what kind of arms, their caliber, how long they are, how much knowledge you have to have to own one, specify what state or city will or will not allow you to own a firearm, what it will be used for…… nothing. All it says is that the people have a right to arm themselves and the federal government does not have the right to keep them from doing so. Why make it difficult?

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
9:26 am

Adam
Newt strikes back.
He is a powerin Georgia.

Mick

April 16th, 2012
9:27 am

** I am sure. Holder and his gang have been trying to wrest the guns from gun owners for as long as Holder has been in any kind of position to do so**

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff??????

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
9:29 am

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2012
9:21 am
Stands,

You are not that naive, I am sure. Holder and his gang have been trying to wrest the guns from gun owners for as long as Holder has been in any kind of position to do so. Fast and Furious was a failed attempt to do just that.

Bull Dookey

Golly you are a talented swallower.

Recon 0311 2533

April 16th, 2012
9:30 am

Looks like Jay’s letting his anti-gun loons continue their rants against the many law abiding citizens that have chosen to own guns for a variety of reasons. Another diversion from the bad news piling up on this failing president and his administration.

TaxPayer

April 16th, 2012
9:30 am

This rag tag fugitive fleet, oops, I mean, this regulated militia should be required to show up once a year to start their day of training (so they can qualify as “well regulated militia”) by peeing in a cup for openers. Follow that up with a psyc evaluation and some field cleaning of those guns and a short ten mile hike to the targets just to make sure they can hit the side of a barn while not hitting their fellow armed militiamen.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
9:31 am

kayaker

the private army is sneaking the guns outa your house right now…

tee hee hee

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2012
9:31 am

Mick,

I’ll do your homework for you. Just as a favor to this right wing conservative gun nut, Google up Holder-Anti gun. Do it, just for me. After you read a few of the more provocative articles in that thread, get back to me. This is where I “come up with this stuff”.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
9:32 am

wait…wait

it the gay secret army…in hoodies…

tee hee hee

TaxPayer

April 16th, 2012
9:33 am

Dick Cheney is offering free hunting lessons for all interested party members.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
9:33 am

it’s the gay secret army with hoodies led by femi nazis …

Recon 0311 2533

April 16th, 2012
9:36 am

Appears that some on here are getting deeper and deeper into their dotage.

Mick

April 16th, 2012
9:36 am

yakeer

Unfortunately, holder has no power to do so, I will not waste my time. However, it would be advisable not to believe EVERYTHING written on the internets…

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
9:38 am

Jay is moving to an
evening edition.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
9:38 am

recon

and some were born into it…..

too funny

Paul

April 16th, 2012
9:40 am

I’ve noted the ‘guns are a god-given right and you have no right to tell me what to do” group is oftentimes comprised of the same people who fall into the “abortion’s killing, no abortions, or at least restrict it as far as you can” camp.

So if it’s something they want to do, it’s ‘keep government out of my life, keep your hands off, back away” yet if it’s for something somebody else wants (abortion) it’s ‘I’m gonna tell you what you can do and I’m going to make sure the government controls it as much as it can!!!”

And I’m sure they figure a way to justify the hypocrisy.

drive-by

Recon 0311 2533

April 16th, 2012
9:40 am

“it would be advisable not to believe EVERYTHING written on the internets…”

Mick, that would be great advice for many of your left wing friends on the blog.

Mick

April 16th, 2012
9:41 am

recon

Why just left wing? I would think it should apply to all…

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
9:43 am

Mick,
Right wingers can believe
anything they want to.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 16th, 2012
9:46 am

….Right wingers can believe anything they want to…..

like WMDS, mental recessions, mobile chemical labs, commies, socialists, birthers and tenthers….

Oscar

April 16th, 2012
9:49 am

What is the proposed limit to gun ownership. Criminal record? Record of being declared incomplent or mentally ill and committed to a mental insititution. Anything else?

Oscar

April 16th, 2012
9:52 am

Then it follows that if you have three DUIs or been at fault in an auto accident you should no longer be allowed a driver’s license or allowed to own a car.

barking frog

April 16th, 2012
9:56 am

JamVet

April 16th, 2012
9:57 am

From the day BHO was elected, the build yourself an armory against the imaginary bogeymen, gun nuts have sworn that the Uppity muslin was after their arsenal.

That twerpy little idiot Wayne LaPierre is out there nonstop telling Republirubes that the Marxist Obama has a secret plan to take away their guns,

The new NRA motto – Ready! Fire! Aim!.

Oscar

April 16th, 2012
10:04 am

Three divorces and no more marriage licenses for you.

stands for decibels

April 16th, 2012
10:08 am

Holder and his gang have been trying to wrest the guns from gun owners for as long as Holder has been in any kind of position to do so. Fast and Furious was a failed attempt to do just that.

I asked for a quote, Kayaker, not a failed ATF program (which, by the way, you’ve neglected to point out how THAT was somehow an attempt to “wrest guns from gun owners”, if by gun owners you mean lawful ones.)

and your instructions to Mick to simply google some name plus “anti-gun nut” is rather pathetic.

A quote. You’ve failed to provide one, and it presumably should’ve taken no longer to find one than it did for you to dance around the request.

ADOLF

April 16th, 2012
10:11 am

when you take away the citizen’s right to bear arms……..
I SMILE

lovelyliz

April 16th, 2012
10:26 am

Like I said, eve n if you ignore the well regulated militia part, bullets are not mentioned.

catlady

April 16th, 2012
12:17 pm

I’d love it if the idiot next door, who thinks nothing of firing off 300-400 rounds on a Sunday afternoon, who baits bears and deer in range of the deer stand in his yard, would have to dodge bullets from the animals. I mean, if it is a sport, let’s make it sporting!

catlady

April 16th, 2012
3:14 pm

Could Newt even SHOOT that gun, over his big belly?

CarlS

April 16th, 2012
10:31 pm

Quoting your criticisms, you mentioned that Gingrich said “every person on the planet deserves the right to defend themselves . . .”

Are you saying they (we) don’t?

If anti-gunners would just learn to read at greater than a 20% comprehension rate, there would be no issue. Freedom to carry and use firearms was an inalienable (l;ook it up) right (while you’re at it, look that one up, too.) for 160 years, up until the first unconstitutional restrictions were emplaced in the 1930’s. The Constitution requires an Amendment to change it, not a Court declaration, nor an Executive Order. There has not yet been an Amendment passed which declared the Second null and void.

Q.E.D.