Mitt Romney and North Korea’s missile launch
Defying international warnings, North Korea attempted to launch a multi-stage rocket Thursday that potentially would be capable of carrying a nuclear payload into space.
Being North Korea, its effort proved a dismal failure, with the rocket falling apart shortly after launch. However, that doesn’t mean that its ambitions can be safely ignored or downplayed. The U.N. Security Council will be taking up the issue today, and the Obama administration has indicated that a program to deliver food aid to North Korean citizens would be abandoned in response to the provocation.
Mitt Romney, however, immediately condemned the launch attempt as a sign of failure by the Obama administration.
“Instead of approaching Pyongyang from a position of strength, President Obama sought to appease the regime with a food-aid deal that proved to be as naive as it was short-lived,” Romney said. “This incompetence from the Obama administration has emboldened the North Korean regime and undermined the security of the United States and our allies.”
Now, if you want to dissect this problem in partisan terms, we could certainly do that. We could note that the United States first detected the North Korea nuclear program way back in 1989. That would have been early in the administration of the senior President Bush, who did little or nothing in response. In fact, by the end of his term he had pulled all U.S. nuclear warheads out of the Korean Peninsula.
In 2002 — under the second President Bush — North Korea publicly admitted its nuclear program, booted international inspectors from the country and restarted nuclear facilities that had been closed as part of a deal with the Clinton administration.
In 2003, North Korea announced its withdrawal from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. In 2004 it announced it had built a bomb. And in 2006, it conducted its first test of a nuclear weapon.
In other words, most of the major advances made in the North Korean nuclear program have come with Republicans in the White House. Perhaps they too should have “approached Pyongyang from a position of strength” to solve this problem?
In reality, such a partisan analysis would be deeply foolish. I am not attempting in any way to argue that North Korea’s nuclear program represents a failure of Republican policy or Republican presidents. North Korea poses an extremely difficult challenge that has befuddled presidents of both parties going all the way back to Harry Truman. When a country has nothing and wants nothing, there are very few tools available to influence its behavior.
But I will admit to being curious. He has attempted to set up a dichotomy between “strength” on one hand vs. “appeasement” on the other. But what exactly would Romney do as president?
Would he take military action and provoke what by all accounts would be an extremely bloody war in Korea? Would he try to enlist the help of, say, the Russians? You know, the country that Romney recently denounced as “our number one geopolitical foe,” earning him a rebuke from the Russian president that “now is not the mid-70s”?
Would the Chinese — whom Romney has also harshly criticized — be equally willing to help him out? I rather doubt it.
I do know that I am leery of politicians whose first instinct is to bluster about using “strength” to solve international problems that might better be approached through wisdom, patience or cooperation. Been there, done that, and it didn’t turn out so well.
Based on Romney’s public statements, under his leadership we would still have troops in Iraq, despite Iraq’s insistence that they would not allow them. We would still be plotting how to extend rather than end our presence in Afghanistan. And you may remember that after an American drone crashed in Iran last year, Romney insisted that he would have sent troops into that nation to reclaim it, regardless of the consequences.
It’s also important to note that Romney has assembled a Cheney-esque foreign-policy team that is dominated by the same group of neoconservatives that led President Bush into the miscalculated invasion of Iraq.
By his second term, a chastened Bush had learned enough to discard many of those folks and ignore the rest, but by then the damage had been done, both to this country and to his presidency. By recruiting that crowd to his team, and by his evident willingness to follow their advice, Romney shows no such learning curve.
So I’m curious, and the American people ought to be curious as well: What exactly does “approaching Pyongyang from a position of strength” really mean? How would that approach play out, and what would its consequences be? Over the next six-plus months, maybe we’ll get an answer.
– Jay Bookman
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Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
11:11 am
Joseph, she’s a CNN pundit. Stop lying for once.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 13th, 2012
11:11 am
democratic leader?
and the laughs keep on coming…
Talking Head
April 13th, 2012
11:12 am
I guess we will continue to be the police of the world when it comes to N Korea since we know Russia nor China will do anything about it…not to mention the UN (except put ’sanctions’ on them which does nothing)
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:12 am
Don’t Forget:
I don’t think so. They may send her into hiding for a while but she is a key demoncrat advisor. She may just have to do it behind the scenes now…
gm
April 13th, 2012
11:13 am
Come on, the rep party have no problem getting other people sons and daughter killed in war see Bush 4800 American troops dead, do these idiots on the right really think Mitt cares about a young soldier life?
This will be a choice between a stable President who has kept this country safe for 4 years or the the millionare who cares less about human life.
Butch Cassidy
April 13th, 2012
11:13 am
Joseph – “I think about my mother. She raised 5 children and stayed home. She worked her but off doing it”
Kudos to your mom, she’s already accomplished more than Ann Romney ever will.
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:14 am
Don’t Forget:
She’s been to the Whitehose 34 times… But she just works for CNN… You loons have got me crying folks….
Jefferson
April 13th, 2012
11:15 am
Joseph – Kudos to your mom. Your comment is a glaring example or how you think.
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:15 am
North Korea tried to fire a rocket. Oh but it was just a kid playing with firecrackers…. Thats what you freaks sound like talking about Rosen…
Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
11:16 am
Joseph, that’s nonsense. I’d seen her before but didn’t even know her name. She has been condemned by EVERYBODY. But I guess you have no choice but to follow the lead of King Rush. Unlike the R’s, we will chastise idiotic statements no matter which side they come from.
Adam
April 13th, 2012
11:16 am
DF @ 11:11a: You know, I know some of you guys question why I have an ignore list and why I mention it, but that’s why. Because 100% outright lies and consistent trolling with such is not in my interest to engage against. And maybe, just maybe, I can point out the consistent offenders and persuade a couple of people to not waste their time. But I don’t require it, don’t demand it, don’t “enforce” any “rules,” but instead am just explaining that wallowing in the mud with someone that won’t even bother to speak from any other place is a complete waste of time.
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 13th, 2012
11:17 am
I feel right at home here on Bookman’s blog. I love the fact that I can get you libs howling at the moon and foaming at the mouth at every word I say.
If home to you feels like a place where you walk in a crap on the carpet, I’ll bet your parents thank god you live in the basement now and have your own entrance.
I remember
April 13th, 2012
11:17 am
Obama jumped out a couple of weeks ago and said that we are not going to reward bad behavior. That means to warm up the aid dump trucks becasue his denials are the best indicator of what he is going to do. Progressives like Jay ( He of the recent MSMBC, the sloppiest, most ideological network in America) assured us that Obama’s policy of engagment and appeasement would solve our North Korea problems. Looks like they screwed up yet again. Could the left be any more clueless?
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 13th, 2012
11:17 am
People people people!!
You’re falling into Joseph’s trap by trying to respond to his version of being stupid.
Just ignore him and eventually he’ll learn to play nice.
Butch Cassidy
April 13th, 2012
11:18 am
Adam – “wallowing in the mud with someone that won’t even bother to speak from any other place is a complete waste of time.”
Yes, but it’s a good way to kill time before I take off for the weekend.
Butch Cassidy
April 13th, 2012
11:19 am
I remember – “Could the left be any more clueless?”
Possibly, but unfortunately it’s the only way to remain on the same level as the right.
Becky
April 13th, 2012
11:19 am
Joseph-hun. Can’t you go to a bar or something and find some people to chat with and drop your one liners upon?
I think we have moved past rosengate but keep on if you must. I personally think she made a lot of sense myself. Of course my mother did not work outside of the home either and we did not have maids, housekeepers, gardeners, valets, drivers and sometimes wondered where our next meal was coming from but I do know she didn’t get a paycheck. See the difference? Now back to scheduled programming.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 13th, 2012
11:19 am
she is a key demoncrat advisor.
and WMDs and mobile chemical labs and mental recession and commies and socialists and birthers and tenthers …..oh my
Butch Cassidy
April 13th, 2012
11:21 am
Byteme – “Just ignore him and eventually he’ll learn to play nice.”
I wish I could, but it’s that same thing as watching an animal chase it’s tail. You want to look away, but the utter stupidity causes you to stare in amazement.
weetamoe
April 13th, 2012
11:22 am
Those North Koreans punch above their weight, don’t they?
And that greedy, selfish, out of touch Romney/Ryan budget cut day care funding for that poor waitress out there in flyover country.
Boy, it sure is hard to match the brilliance of the Obama folks.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 13th, 2012
11:22 am
Well, what we need is some mean guy to run things. Somebody like this John Bolton. I bet he don’t even get along with his own wife. We need somebody that will start a war at the drop of a hat. Not this Hillary Clinton that can’t even keep her own husband in line. I’ve give up on this bunch in power now. A pipsqueak like N. Korea should of been bombed to the Stone Age years ago. No use talking about it now. Let’s just wait and vote in November. We got a whole bunch of young folks that would make fine soldiers. Me, I got a few bucks salted away to buy the Support Our Troops bumper stickers.
Anyhow, I almost have the shelves stocked and I know we got a bunch of bloggers on here ready to buy beer and start swapping weird music a little later. I’ve never let them down yet and I’ll haul and hump till everyplace is ready for them.
Have a good Friday everybody. Even if it is Friday the 13th.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 13th, 2012
11:22 am
Butch
BINGO!
Like watching the cat try to back out of the cone of shame…..
gm
April 13th, 2012
11:22 am
Obama hates women thats why he passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 for women:
Wow he really hates them so bad he put one on the supreme court, right wing, you can not be serious?
morally corrupt
April 13th, 2012
11:23 am
ahh Becky
proof that Democratic women are the most MYSOGYNISTIC group in this world…………. why do y’all hate Reublican women so much?
That's Ya'll's Boy (Mitt Witt)
April 13th, 2012
11:23 am
DEFINE THIS:
Most of the major advances made in the North Korean nuclear program have come with Republicans in the White House.
If Mitt were president, get ready to GO TO WAR.
AGAIN.
That’s Ya’ll’s Boy (Mitt Witt)
Joe Hussein Mama
April 13th, 2012
11:23 am
Joseph — “Joe Hussein Mama: Ditto”
Your unconditional surrender is noted and appreciated.
That's Ya'll's Boy (Mitt Witt)
April 13th, 2012
11:24 am
CORRECTIONS
DEFEND THIS:
Most of the major advances made in the North Korean nuclear program have come with Republicans in the White House.
If Mitt were president, get ready to GO TO WAR.
AGAIN.
That’s Ya’ll’s Boy (Mitt Witt)
JohnnyReb
April 13th, 2012
11:25 am
Butch Cassidy
April 13th, 2012
11:13 am
Joseph – “I think about my mother. She raised 5 children and stayed home. She worked her but off doing it”
Kudos to your mom, she’s already accomplished more than Ann Romney ever will.
________________
Butch – you need to do some homework. Her and Mitt used a door for a desk in their apartment when they both were in college – not exactly the picture of silver spoon. She had children in that apartment while her and Mitt were still in school. She graduated. She is a cancer survivor plus has raised her family even though she has muscular dystrophy. The attacks on her are unjustified, and she had the grace not to attack those against her.
morally corrupt
April 13th, 2012
11:25 am
gm
Obama doesn’t hate women……. but his party hates Republican women……………. and his party needs to heed his words about attacking the wife of a candidate like he did in 2008
ty webb
April 13th, 2012
11:25 am
“he put one on the supreme court”
don’t know if that’s a slight on kagan or sotomayor, but I dig it either way.
Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
11:26 am
Adam
April 13th, 2012
11:16 am
Adam, I usually ignore that braying blogger and others as well.
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
11:26 am
Paul @ 10:54
I could see that. I also could see that as working. As much as these idiots like to play Billy Badass to keep their grip on power, I don’t think any of them are in any real hurry to lose that power by being nuked to death. It’s all about maintaining power. It’s no different than what the Mid East dictators do.
————————–
Hey Joseph? Since you’ve such a raging stiffie to get your hate on for Hilary Rosen, perhaps you can scan this
dB
I hate to break it to you bro, but I think you have it backwards. He’s trying to talk about that stuff because he CAN’T get a ragin’ stiffie. Not being able to get that load off your chest will cause anger and animosity to build up over the most inane sh*t.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 13th, 2012
11:28 am
What I like best about Ann Romneys response…
I think we all know that we need to respect choices that women make
Maybe she get her husband and the rest of the GOP to go along with her on that.
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 13th, 2012
11:29 am
The attacks on her are unjustified, and she had the grace not to attack those against her.
the attack wasn’t on her. Re-read the transcript or watch the full tape. The attack was on Romney using her as his “key advisor on women’s issues” when her current and past existence are NOTHING like the average woman’s. Your first clue is she got to go to college.
Illegal Alien
April 13th, 2012
11:29 am
I can almost see Ann Romney coming home from the Country Club thinking “I’ve got to get home to make biscuits”.
Becky
April 13th, 2012
11:31 am
I think if someone really wants to search they will note I wrote yesterday I like Ann Romney but I would tell her to her face she does not have any idea how it feels to have a single mother working to provide food for her children, Mittens chose to put her in the spotlight so game on. You cannot have it both ways.
Paul
April 13th, 2012
11:31 am
I think it fair to say Rosen is not an inconsequential figure in Democratic political circles, especially since she joined the PR firm headed up by Pres Obama’s former communications director.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40400.html
The speed with which Democratic spokesperson said “Hilary Rosen who?” (Carney’s “I know 3 of ‘em” and Pres Obama’s not referring to her by name but as, how did he put it? “some commentator” or “some talking head” or some such.”
When there’s that much smoke, somebody’s trying to put of a fire.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 13th, 2012
11:32 am
Anothet thing I like about Ann Romney…
The fact that she wrote a personal check for a donation to
Planned Parenthood.
The GOP is about to nominate the wrong Romney…..
Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
11:33 am
The republican war on women is real. They are holding up reauthorization of the violence against women act. If that doesn’t convince you, nothing will.
GT
April 13th, 2012
11:33 am
Joseph that is what all this is about your mom. Obama is against motherhood. Man you Republicans are like blind men driving in rush hour traffic. What was that noise? When you showed up at a Congressional birth control hearing with an all men’s choir that didn’t clue you in to the problem at hand, your credibility took a beating. You looked about as out of place as thugs in church. “You women stay in the kitchen, we need our manly brains handling this”. Just tell me why you would think of having at least a token woman in tow like Romney does, are you deaf too?
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 13th, 2012
11:34 am
If that doesn’t convince you, nothing will.
It won’t. You just aren’t grasping the tribal mind and its inability to say bad things about their own team.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 13th, 2012
11:34 am
So, now that we’re back on topic, who else has been to the Land of the Morning Calm (Korea)?
Paul
April 13th, 2012
11:34 am
The Rosen thing. I said the other day it was manufactured outrage, overplayed.
Same as Democrats did with McCain’s homes and Mitt’s dog.
When you make a big deal out of nothing with your opponent, don’t complain when it happens to you.
getalife
April 13th, 2012
11:34 am
Things are running smoothly with a competent President and the people he hired.
No drama Obama is a smooth operator.
He deserves a second term.
Becky
April 13th, 2012
11:35 am
Arizona might as well take down their Welcome to Arizona signs. I cannot imagine anyone of any intellect or compassion and decency to want to visit much less move there.
Are we sure Jan Brewer is not a drag queen?
Recon 0311 2533
April 13th, 2012
11:35 am
Evidently Rosen had made several trips to the White House and more than a few to schmooze with the prez. Now she’s sporting big bus tire tracks, while Obama’s favorable ratings head South and Romney moves up. Guess it’s back to the old drawing board for Axelfraud as the “war on woman” campaign doesn’t seem to be working.
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
11:37 am
JHM
Not me. That’s too much time on an airplane.
Butch Cassidy
April 13th, 2012
11:37 am
JohnnyReb – “The attacks on her are unjustified,”
Not really attacking her. My mother raised us with the help of the maid and a nanny as well. However, she doesn’t go down to the projects in her Gucci shoes and attempt to convince the residents that she’s “in touch” with them.
Paul
April 13th, 2012
11:37 am
Becky 11:31
Pres Obama made it clear yesterday he takes a decidedly different view and that’s the view I’m sure will be reinforced among Democrats.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 13th, 2012
11:37 am
GT — “we need our manly brains handling this”
Is THAT what the kids are calling them these days?
TaxPayer
April 13th, 2012
11:37 am
Talk’s cheap and that’s exactly how much your tax cuts will buy you. Or did you war mongering rightwing nuts forget that we still have a 14 trillion dollar debt that you don’t want to pay off or pay down or increase.
ty webb
April 13th, 2012
11:37 am
you live by trumped up “war on women” charges, you die by trumped up “war on women” charges…
Becky
April 13th, 2012
11:38 am
Paul-I disagree with you about Mitten’s dog treatment. That act alone speaks to his civility and compassion and hugely his decision making. Was Ann riding in the car with him or was she following along in one of her cadillacs? Why didn’t one of their wonderful sons take a stand and say no to Dad? I just can’t imagine any of them thought putting a dog in a box on top of a car going down the expressway for several hours was not cruel. Maybe he should ask Michael Vick to be his VP.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 13th, 2012
11:39 am
Brosephus — “Not me. That’s too much time on an airplane.”
I went from Hawaii to Osan AFB, and even *that* was way too much time on a plane. I can imagine the suck factor if you had to go from the US mainland all the way there.
If you didn’t have a seat in Business or First Class, it would suck so hard you could hear it.
getalife
April 13th, 2012
11:41 am
The Arizona guv kept the gop coordinated attack on women going.
Our Vice President was right.
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
11:44 am
JHM
Atlanta to Seoul is approx 14 hrs going and 13 hrs coming back. That is way too much time in the air. I did Germany a few years ago, and 9 hrs was too much. The urge to consume great beer helped out on that flight, but I don’t have the same hankering for kimchee.
Chris
April 13th, 2012
11:45 am
‘In other words, most of the major advances made in the North Korean nuclear program have come with Republicans in the White House. Perhaps they too should have “approached Pyongyang from a position of strength” to solve this problem?’
Before this paragraph you conveniently left out the Clinton years. While true Clinton tried to make progress on North Korea, when Bush took office he was under the impression that the North Koreans were not genuine in their discussions and were secretly constructing nuclear weapons beyond what they showed the inspectors. Defying the advice of his then Secretary of State Colin Powell, he withdrew from negotiations and imposed sanctions on the regime. Bush was right. During the Clinton negotiations the North Koreans had been constructing nuclear weapons actively. Know where I found this out? Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC yesterday. So maybe you want to rethink your major advances theory there Jay.
MightyRighty
April 13th, 2012
11:46 am
The Deflectocrat party must use every oportunity to change the subject. I believe it was the former worst president in the history of the U.S., one James Earl, Run from the Rabid Rabbit, Lust in his Heart, Kruschev Lied to Me, Carter that helped the North Koreans develop nucleur power, while Bill, I never had sex with that woman, Clinton traded misssile technology with China in return for campaign contributions. What we have in Korea is the end result of years of Socialist, Marxisim economic policy of starvation and ignorance so bad they can’t even get a rocket to work right. Many on the whining moocher left would like to see our economy resemble any world reknown failure. Our president’s naive response to Korea’s negligible threat is to threaten the people with further starvation
Obama doesn’t have the will to confront Iran so he wants to look tough with Korea. What a guy! I know you Deflectocrats are so proud.
Misty Fyed
April 13th, 2012
11:46 am
I have to say I’m really shocked Jay hasn’t been offered a job with the Obama administration yet. I can only guess that’s what his end game is.
Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
11:46 am
You just aren’t grasping the tribal mind and its inability to say bad things about their own team.
Oh, kind of like ranting and raving about abortion being murder in this country and then cheering the export of American jobs to a country that has forced abortions all in the name of increased profits. Gotcha.
Recon 0311 2533
April 13th, 2012
11:47 am
International flights to Japan, Korea or S.E. Asia fly Singapore Airlines. Free drinks on demand, good food and very attractive Asian flight attendants.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 13th, 2012
11:49 am
Brosephus — “The urge to consume great beer helped out on that flight, but I don’t have the same hankering for kimchee.”
No, no, no. You don’t want kimchi. YOU want SOJU.
http://guymanningham.com/2012/02/soju-korea/
Paul
April 13th, 2012
11:49 am
Becky
Your post indicates you are not familiar with the circumstances but have been relying on secondhand accounts.
To those of us who lived pre-SUV, pre-minivan, pre-conversion vans, station wagons were it. Given the number of dogs I’ve seen riding around in even more open conditions, especially in the South and West, in the beds of pickup trucks, the outrage is almost comical.
Of course, we now live in times where pets are not animals. They are not pets. They are family members, in many households treated better than kids, so I can see how this was such an effective platform for Democrats.
One of the hallmarks of a successfully managed contrived outrage scenario is to get people to think it really is about civility and decency and all that stuff.
And please notice in all this I’m not defending, condoning or anything of the sort. I’m simply saying it’s overblown.
Recon 0311 2533
April 13th, 2012
11:50 am
“I have to say I’m really shocked Jay hasn’t been offered a job with the Obama administration yet. I can only guess that’s what his end game is.”
Maybe Jay’s double dipping as a paid Obama campaign worker along with his AJC job.
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:50 am
Don’t Forget:
I just don’t get it libs. Ya’ll proped up Sandra Fluke as if she were important but run from a real leader like Hillary Rosen…. Whats up with that????
Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
11:50 am
Know where I found this out? Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC yesterday.
That’s because MSNBC has waaaaay more integrity than Fox
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
11:51 am
Before this paragraph you conveniently left out the Clinton years.
Oh my freaking god!!!!!! Before you finished reading, you convienently overlooked this statement: “In reality, such a partisan analysis would be deeply foolish. I am not attempting in any way to argue that North Korea’s nuclear program represents a failure of Republican policy or Republican presidents.”
Jay’s telling you that making a partisaned analysis would be deeply foolish. And what do you do??? Make a partisaned analysis of Jay’s self-acknowledged display of foolish analysis. Damn, if that ain’t the most foolish sh*t ever…..
Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
11:51 am
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:50 am
Don’t Forget:
I just don’t get it libs. Ya’ll proped up Sandra Fluke as if she were important but run from a real leader like Hillary Rosen…. Whats up with that????
We put country ahead of party. A foreign concept to you but it’s the truth.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 13th, 2012
11:51 am
Recon — “International flights to Japan, Korea or S.E. Asia fly Singapore Airlines. Free drinks on demand, good food and very attractive Asian flight attendants.”
Indeed. Singapore Airlines is famous among frequent flyers (I used to be one) for the level and quality of their service.
This is one thing that Recon and I can definitely agree on.
Adam
April 13th, 2012
11:52 am
LUNCH
Misty Fyed
April 13th, 2012
11:52 am
I’m starting to feel bad for Obama. At this rate, Obama won’t even be mentioned in the history books. I mean everything that happens is someone else’s fault or is caused by someone else. He may only get one paragraph:
“Once we elected an African American President. We aren’t real sure what he did. Everything in the historical record points toward George Bush. We know he inherited a tough economy that remained bad his entire tenure. We know he grew our debt by 5 trillion dollars. Other than that…nada”
Recon 0311 2533
April 13th, 2012
11:54 am
“This is one thing that Recon and I can definitely agree on. ”
Joe, thumbs up.
Becky
April 13th, 2012
11:54 am
Paul-we will have to agree to disagree then. There is a vast difference between a dog riding in the back of a pickup truck (who has probably been doing that since a pup) and a dog being placed in a box on top of a car hurtling down the expressway with no wind break. The Romneys conceded the dog was frightened by evidence of the diarrhea everywhere. I still contend it was very poor judgment.
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
11:55 am
JHM
I’m gonna have to track down a bottle of that…
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:55 am
Even Jay Carney don’t know how to defend Hillary Rosen… But he really don’t know much about anything…
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/jay-carney-dodges-question-on-dem-strategists-white-house-visits-i-know-three-hillary-rosens/
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
11:56 am
JHM and Recon
They don’t fly to Atlanta, but I have seen the crew when I was out in LA. I must give two thumbs up on the crew. I can’t give testimony on the service though.
Becky
April 13th, 2012
11:56 am
Joseph-you really can’t move past rosengate?
Chris
April 13th, 2012
11:57 am
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
11:51 am
Before this paragraph you conveniently left out the Clinton years.
Oh my freaking god!!!!!! Before you finished reading, you convienently overlooked this statement: “In reality, such a partisan analysis would be deeply foolish. I am not attempting in any way to argue that North Korea’s nuclear program represents a failure of Republican policy or Republican presidents.”
Jay’s telling you that making a partisaned analysis would be deeply foolish. And what do you do??? Make a partisaned analysis of Jay’s self-acknowledged display of foolish analysis. Damn, if that ain’t the most foolish sh*t ever…..
_________________________________________________
I realized that, but then why does Jay only bring up only anti-Republican talking points? I guess he gets paid by the word? Because if not, then the entire beginning of his post is pointless.
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:57 am
Don’t Forget:
Well don’t you think your country needs to know where the democrat party truely stands on womens issues. That they must know their place and don’t stray from the plantation or you’ll be vilified and humiliated…
GT
April 13th, 2012
11:57 am
Why is Romney now tackling his gap with women voters instead of doing it the last 12 months when he was building it up to double figures. Why is Ann Romney the only woman he can pull off the bench to “humanize” him. Has there been any other woman that has met with Romney 32 times plus or minus on any subject matter? If so is she his spokesman on these matters? Haven’t seen her upfront and center on this. Romney puts a man ,his son, on the television to defend the one woman in the campaign. Obama is drowning in women, any given time he has one in a meeting doing responsible things, even his wife is brilliant, who is raising two, what else could they be, girls. I truly don’t think he does it for window dressing, the man respects women by nature. There would never be an all men choir representing women in his review. And look how Rush treated the one woman who showed up for the hearing uninvited by Republicans. Lets talk about Rush some more, lest we forget what we are working with here.
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:58 am
Becky:
Its the news issue of the day… Why don’t you dems want to talk about it????
Joseph
April 13th, 2012
11:59 am
Why won’t the Obama regime pay women fairly????
Recon 0311 2533
April 13th, 2012
11:59 am
Brosephus,
You can catch them out of Huston but then you have to fly to Moscow and lay over. Best flying to L.A. and connecting there. Either route the service is great.
Curious
April 13th, 2012
12:01 pm
Try Dubai to Atlanta (14+ hours) on Delta w/ 60+ year old flight attendants.
Paul
April 13th, 2012
12:01 pm
Becky
I can see disagreeing when one has considered all the circumstances. It appears to me you’re still relying on accounts from the outraged ignorants. We all do at some time or another, but I think it good to try to catch it before it gets too far, then to use that new data to reassess our position.
“There is a vast difference between a dog riding in the back of a pickup truck (who has probably been doing that since a pup) and a dog being placed in a box on top of a car hurtling down the expressway with no wind break”
According to snopes.com, the people who track down the ‘is this true?” stuff, Romney did in fact personally construct a windshield for the carrier. That runs counter to the assertion of callous disregard so many have portrayed. It also puts him on a much different level then pickup owners, car owners who let their dogs hang out windows, and even some motorcycle riders with sidecars or saddlebags I’ve seen.
Again, to me the main point is to get all the facts, not the assertions of those who have a stake in the outcome, then use that to assess the real import of the event.
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 13th, 2012
12:01 pm
I realized that, but then why does Jay only bring up only anti-Republican talking points?
This is a “talking point”? Really? Where else have you seen an analysis of Romney’s statement on NK?
Becky
April 13th, 2012
12:02 pm
Gracious Joseph-we have been talking about it but I imagine North Korea rockets have priority over Ann’s hurt feelings.
If she is still upset, ask her to call me and we can go get a pedi/mani and then go shopping at Neimans. You are manufacturing the outrage and cons are trying to still walk back from the WAR ON WOMEN. Ann is just a collateral figure and I’m sure she has moved on as well.
getalife
April 13th, 2012
12:03 pm
joseph knows our President has a big lead with women and failing to change that fact.
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
12:03 pm
I realized that, but then why does Jay only bring up only anti-Republican talking points?
I thought he did that to show how foolish partisaned analysis would be. If he brought up both parties, then the analysis would NOT be partisaned, and therefore his point would be moot. Correct? What really concerns me is that you acknowledge that partisaned analysis is foolish, yet you double down on it.
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Recon
I’ll keep that one in mind. I’ve already added a first class trip on Korean Air to my bucket list. I’ll pencil them in as well.
fedup
April 13th, 2012
12:03 pm
I would have so much more respect for Romney if he acknowledged North Korea’s pattern of doing this nonsense regardless of whether we have a Republican or Democrat administration and then describe what he would do differently as an effort to break the pattern. I would then perceive him as a knowledgeable, thoughful leader. Instead, stating that it must be Obama’s fault that this happened either shows that he is an ignorant fool or that he has yet to transition from the primaries to the general election. Saying every troubling thing must be Obama’s fault and/or throwing out the same neocon code words is not leadership and is not going to work on independents.
getalife
April 13th, 2012
12:04 pm
Paul,
That dog pooped all over the romney’s so he got the last laugh.
ByteMe - Political thug for sale
April 13th, 2012
12:04 pm
Because women are surely attracted to angry men yelling about “WAR ON WOMEN!!!”
gm
April 13th, 2012
12:04 pm
Joseph(little rush limbaugh nut)
The first bill Obama passed was Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, now name me after 8 years in office any bill GW Bush has pass for women? I’m still waiting.
Please stop watching the nut jobs of 3 times college drop out Sean Hannity, and high school drop out scum Limbaugh.
Recon 0311 2533
April 13th, 2012
12:05 pm
Chow call. Y’all play nice.
Paul
April 13th, 2012
12:06 pm
Becky
I do agree with the dog’s apparent reaction. The same occurs when dogs are transported by airplane. The lack of controls regarding that used to be appalling. So I guess the lesson for politicians with family pets is, if you’re going away for an extended period, kennel it. Then again,, my vet has told me of the same effects that happen with kenneling over 5 days or so and recommends several long-term care kennels. Which are a lot more expensive. So there’s a lot of tough choices for pet owners, even when they think what they’re doing is okay for the pet.
Don't Forget
April 13th, 2012
12:06 pm
Paul, I agree but didn’t Romney put the dog BACK on top of the vehicle even after it was clear the dog was terrified? That’s cruel.
Brosephus™
April 13th, 2012
12:06 pm
Curious
That’s nothing….
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-longest-flights-211655905.html
6. Atlanta to Johannesburg on Delta Airlines (Tie)
– Miles: 8,433
– Scheduled Duration: 16 Hours 15 Minutes
2. Newark to Singapore on Singapore Airlines
– Miles: 10,371
– Scheduled Duration: 18 Hours
1. Los Angeles to Singapore, Singapore Airlines
– Miles: 9,500
– Scheduled Duration: 18 Hours 30 Minutes
ATL-DXB isn’t that bad of a flight when compared to those. Even ATL-TLV (Atlanta to Tel Aviv) was longer than the Dubai flight.
Becky
April 13th, 2012
12:06 pm
Paul-did you read the part in the Snopes article about spraying down the dog, crate and car at the gas station because Mitt had told the kids they were not stopping for bathroom breaks except at pre-determined times? For real?
Cruel and callous.
283 more days
April 13th, 2012
12:07 pm
I have flown 16 hours from Newark to Hong Kong. (man my arms wer sore)
Cathay Pacific is another great airline to Asia, but as you said, Sinapore Airlines is the best
getalife
April 13th, 2012
12:08 pm
“Y’all play nice.”
Good advice for our cons after they lose this election.
Y’all owe our President an apology for your behavior in his first term.
You are still Americans so show the office some respect..