Under Obama, America more divided than ever

I think it’s fair to say that Barack Obama has proved to be a polarizing political figure. You can argue about who to blame for that reality — some accuse Obama of divisive policies and rhetoric; others argue that certain segments of the electorate have responded negatively for reasons that have nothing to do with how Obama has governed, and are instead related to his race and background.

For the moment, let’s set that debate aside and look at the numbers, which are pretty stark and suggest that Obama has indeed become one of the most polarizing political figures in the modern era.

demopoll

For example, let’s look at the results of the most recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, which overall gave Obama a lead of 51-44 percent among registered voters. But when you start breaking that down demographically, things get interesting.

Among non-white Americans, Obama leads Mitt Romney by 59 percentage points, 78-19 percent.

Among women voters, Obama leads by a margin of 19 points, 57-38 percent.

Romney’s only significant advantage — 61-35 percent — is among white male voters. His 26-point lead among that demographic group is what keeps him at least competitive in the poll.

pewpoll

The Post/ABC poll did not break down responses by age, but a Pew poll (see chart to right) taken a month earlier did. In addition to confirming Obama’s advantages among women and minorities, Pew found that among voters 18-29, Obama led Romney by 61-35 percent, a 26-point breakout.

Romney performed best among American voters aged 65 and older. But I was particularly struck by his performance among women aged 18-49: He loses that core group by a startling 31 points, 64-33 percent. That’s basically a 2-1 advantage for Obama.

So how do those numbers compare historically? The best gauge may be the 2000 election between Al Gore and George W. Bush, a contest that had no incumbent and basically ended in a tie. According to CNN exit poll data from that election, Gore had an 11-point advantage over George Bush among women, compared to Obama’s current 19-point advantage. Among voters 18-29, Gore and Bush were essentially tied, a far cry from the 28-point lead that Obama now enjoys.

So what’s it all mean? Well, it’s pretty clear that what you see when you look at the political scene depends an awful lot on who you are. The lens through which you view things — your background, upbringing, life experience, etc. –doesn’t dictate your politics, but it does strongly influence it. The intensity of that influence seems to be increasing over time.

Looking at the data, it’s also hard to argue against the notion that for whatever reason, the Republican Party is becoming the party of middle-aged white men, dominating in that core group but losing appeal in most other areas. And although the data don’t address this, my sense is that the harder the GOP works to maintain its grip on that group, the more difficult it becomes to reach outside it that demographic and broaden the party’s appeal. I don’t have the slightest idea of how it can break out of that spiral.

If you have some other interpretation of the data, I’ll be glad to listen.

– Jay Bookman

643 comments Add your comment

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:14 am

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:14 am

It appears the War on Women is for real suckers.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
10:17 am

White men telling everyone else how they should feel in 3…2…1….

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

Mitt Romney is like a box of chocolates…you never know what you’re to get.

Atleast w/ Obama, we know what we’re getting. And while some of it is not very good, I still think he’s a better option than Romney.

I’ll be voting for stability and growth (how ever small it is, it’s still growth) rather than handing it right back over to the Republicans.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

No headline… hmmm

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

I do loves me some Aquagirl. :D

ty webb

April 12th, 2012
10:19 am

vampires benefit from the “war on women”? or is it leeches?

Maude

April 12th, 2012
10:21 am

Caucasian men rejoice in groupthink.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:21 am

Jay: I think your analysis is spot on.

I am a white male, but I guess I am not of the generation of whatever white men are so stupid as to support Mr. Etch-A-Sketch.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:21 am

ty-lol. I think it is save to say cons can be both.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

safe to say, sorry

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

Peadawg: I’ll be voting for stability and growth (how ever small it is, it’s still growth) rather than handing it right back over to the Republicans.

Indeed. Well said.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

Jay,

I heard Jay Leno make the point that BO is only the second president to have average price of gas double during his administration…I’m sure you know the first…He didn’t close guantanamo and continue the Bush tax cuts which he now owns. On top of all this, if his HCare thingy gets zapped by SC, all this will allow Romney, regardless of competency, paste all this on expensive ads which will likely make up a chunk, if not more of the divide….

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

Well I’m proud to be in the minority of college-educated white men over 55 that supports President Obama.

RF

April 12th, 2012
10:23 am

“Romney performed best among American voters aged 65 and older.”

Well, it’s probably good they’re having the convention in Tampa. At least drivers there are used to having all the seniors on the road. The AARP will make a fortune at that event!

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:23 am

This country is divided as hell. Obama is just another example and not the cause. This country has never been unified as one, and I’m beginning to seriously doubt it will ever be that way. It doesn’t surprise me at all that Romney performed best with the 65+ crowd as that is the core of the GOP. Doesn’t surprise me that Obama does well with Blacks, as they typically support Democratic Party candidates almost 9 out of 10 times.

Steve

April 12th, 2012
10:24 am

Yep, Obama single handedly increased the price of gas by going to China and India and increasing demand there.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:25 am

continue the Bush tax cuts which he now owns.

Your concession that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were bad policy from the start is noted.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:25 am

Stevie Ray — “He didn’t close guantanamo”

Because Congress refused to appropriate any funds to pay for the closure. I’m sure you just forgot to mention that.

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:26 am

By this summer it will not matter. Unemployment will be rising. We will have added another trillion to the deficit.

Nothing Obama promised has panned out. His economic war on success will be seen as a failure and his career will resume as a speaker promoting Marxist concepts.

Meanwhile, we would have wasted four years and trillions trying to get this economy out of the proverbial ditch.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:27 am

“continue the Bush tax cuts which he now owns.”

Oh lord (while your statement is true) don’t get Adam started…

n

April 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Next item on the radical right agenda: repealing the 19th Amendment and ending women’s suffrage?
After all, it’s caused nothing but headaches for the guys in charge.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Obama single handedly increased the price of gas by going to China and India

That’s how he spent $200 million per day. Duh.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

Give it ten more years and the 75+ white male crowd probably won’t remember any of this.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

his performance among women aged 18-49: He loses that core group by a startling 31 points, 64-33 percent. That’s basically a 2-1 advantage for Obama.

Why, those ingrateful, uppity uterati.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

By this summer it will not matter. Unemployment will be rising.

I’m so saving that one.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

He didn’t close guantanamo

When was the last prisoner transferred into Guantanamo?

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

Its rotten statism GOP/DNC Romney/Obama versus Freedom Ron Paul……..Stupid versus Intelligence.
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Put that in your bong…….and paint it green.
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It REALLY IS that simple.
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The youth realize it.
Time is on our side………………………..if America has enough of it left.(the Q-Tips and government parasites probably won’t go gently into the night).

kitty

April 12th, 2012
10:30 am

One reason I voted for Obama in the primaries is I thought he would be less polarizing than Hillary, but I greatly misjudged the issue of race in this country. It is still a very hot and divisive topic sadly. How else can you explain the irrational hysteria against Obama. Even Bill Clinton didn’t get this much irrational weirdness beyond a few name calling of socialist. Has to have a racial component.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:30 am

The data tells me that young people are more willing to judge a person on his character rather than on his race. Martin would be proud of that.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:31 am

TO ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS

If it happened on BO’s watch, he owns it. He owns OBL killing, drone successes, economic recovery same as he owns gas prices, guantanamo promise and Bush tax cut repeal promise he previously made. If his HCare gets zapped, he will be easy target….he will not be able to continue to ride “not my fault” agenda given all this crap…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:31 am

Lyman: Free pot for all? I’m sure that’ll grab a lot of people. After all, as humans we can only focus on ONE issue at a time, right?

Joe

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

The Republicans are screwed long term. Democrats have done a great job of playing and influencing the trend. As Democrats see non-whites as supporting Democrats they have made it easier for non-white immigrants to come to this country to increase the Democrat’s results in elections. Even before whites are no longer in the majority in the 2030’s the Democrats will have a lock. The Democrats don’t really care if this immigration policy is good for the country or not (it isn’t). The immigrants surely appreciate how Democrat sponsored affirmative action gives them preferential treatment over the white natives of the US. Plus the immigrants get social welfare that wasn’t available in the countries they came from. It’s really an easy choice for them who to vote for. As LBJ, implementer of major social welfare stated, “I’ll have those n*****s voting Democrat for the next 200 years”.

Mr_B

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Not so sure if the country is more divided than ever; or if those who previously never had a voice in the political arena finally have a president who at least occasionally voices their concerns.

Ira in East Lake

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Well, wait till Ann hits her full stride and we’ll have to see what sort of panderbear Mitt is with his VP pick.

Polls now don’t mean so much to me but these are heartwarming numbers.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Stevie Ray: So does the President “own” the fact I have an awesome girlfriend that I started dating under his watch?

St Simons - codewords are the new black

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

The bad news for you, cons, is “demographics” hahaha
we get to use your codeword back on ya

Our demographics are getting bigger, ebby dayyy
Yours is a fetid shrinking pool of cess
Man, I enjoyed typing that

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

Stevie Ray — “If it happened on BO’s watch, he owns it.”

Excellent. So Bush owns 9/11 and the stock market/real estate meltdown. Thanks!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

As LBJ, implementer of major social welfare stated, “I’ll have those n*****s voting Democrat for the next 200 years”.

I’m so sure you ave proof of that.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

BRO,

He promised to close Guantanamo and regardless of the reasons, his leadership skills and constitutional acumen could’t close the deal could they?

On a more serious note; where do I sign for the free pot??? Yummy

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

“So does the President “own” the fact I have an awesome girlfriend that I started dating under his watch?”

He probably did have something to do w/ brainwashing her….

(couldn’t help it)

willie lynch

April 12th, 2012
10:35 am

President Obama gets elected and gun ownership goes crazy. It is sad but this group of middle aged white men are in serious denial about the changing demographic of not just America but the world.

They seem like a collective of Willie Lomans.

Mr_B

April 12th, 2012
10:35 am

“If it happened on BO’s watch, he owns it.” Sure was damn nice of the President to allow the sun to come up this morning.

And these guys claim WE think he’s the Messiah?!

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
10:35 am

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2012/apr/12/romney-lacks-hispanic-support/

Shocked, shocked, that a presumed Presidential nominee from a party that embraces the likes of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and whose most vocal adherents make a point of crying big ol’ tears any time their beautiful minds are traumatized by hearing “Para espanol, oprima el dos”, might have a wee problem with them es-spanglishified folk.

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
10:36 am

“This country has never been unified as one, and I’m beginning to seriously doubt it will ever be that way”

And I see that as a good thing. It is large groups of people who follow “group think” who do the most damage in the world.

barking frog

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

interesting matchup.
I wonder which vice president selection
will most decrease those gaps.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

stevie ray

You still didn’t answer the question. When was the last prisoner transferred into Guantanamo? Even easier, when was the last detainee captured, high value or not?

The Obama Administration has not captured anybody. Dude’s been killing them all. Congress wouldn’t fund the closing of Guantanamo, and Obama has put an end to the intake process.

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

free POT?
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sheesh…………..your proggies want everything to be free.
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Repeat after me……………THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.
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Ron Paul supporters learned that in Grade school.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

“It appears the War on Women is for real suckers.”

Said by one who has no problem with the DNC advisor blasting non-working women.

Hilarious!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Peadawg @ 10:33a: I wouldn’t be surprised if someone made that argument seriously. Obama-Svengaaaaaaliiiiiiii!

Gordon

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Obama has shown ZERO leadership on the most important issue of our day: debt/deficit/unfunded liabilities. Someone else should get a chance based on that alone.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

JOE MAMMA

Depends who you ask…911 is off the table to be sure…but yes, history will reflect he owns the other stuff…deficit, picking wrong countries to invade without getting spit in return etcetera. You can’t be selective and suggest all successes of either can be assumed without assuming the bad crap as well….can you now???

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Lyman: Well good luck persuading people on the single issue of pot, anyway.

JF McNamara

April 12th, 2012
10:39 am

I wish they had broken the data into regions as well. How do southern white men fare versus northeastern or western white men?

Penny Pincher

April 12th, 2012
10:39 am

“Stevie Ray — “He didn’t close guantanamo”

Because Congress refused to appropriate any funds to pay for the closure. I’m sure you just forgot to mention that.”

let’s not forget his party controlled both the house and the senate for his fisrt two years

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:39 am

Brosephus: The Obama Administration has not captured anybody. Dude’s been killing them all.

:D

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:40 am

Gordon: Obama has shown ZERO leadership on the most important issue of our day: debt/deficit/unfunded liabilities. Someone else should get a chance based on that alone.

Good luck persuading people with that.

n

April 12th, 2012
10:40 am

A core principle of law is “stare decisis” It means “the matter stands decided” by decades of court decisions and case law. If Obamacare is overturned by the SC it is because they are ignoring decades of prior SCOTUS decisions interpreting and expanding the Commerce Clause. It is practically unthinkable except that the Roberts Court has already demonstrated that it is capable of ignoring precedent.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:41 am

Speaking of Ann Romney-so she never worked out of the home and has 5 kids. How many maids, nannies, drivers, gardeners do you suppose she had and has now? I happen to like Ann Romney and can imagine being friends with her even though she has to be a bit out of touch. I’m sure she has no idea what a gallon of milk costs and probably has never been in a grocery store.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

let’s not forget his party controlled both the house and the senate for his fisrt two years

Without a filibuster proof majority, and without 60 senators that “caucus” with the democrats until later in 2009, that don’t vote in lockstep anyway. I’m sure you just plum forgot that part.

my 2 cents

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

That’s what Obama wants. Obama knows the stupid people far outnumber the people with some sense. Thus, if he can get them, he’ll win re-election.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Stevie Ray — “Depends who you ask…911 is off the table to be sure”

You said that anything that happened during Obama’s term is owned by Obama. 9/11 happened during Bush’s term. By your own logic, he owns it.

“You can’t be selective and suggest all successes of either can be assumed without assuming the bad crap as well….can you now???”

I’m not the one trying to do that. *You* are.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Becky: Speaking of Ann Romney-so she never worked out of the home and has 5 kids. How many maids, nannies, drivers, gardeners do you suppose she had and has now?

Why criticize such an obvious JOB CREATOR? :D :lol:

JF McNamara

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

@Gordon,

It’s most important to you. I think most folks were more concerned about the great recession. He did a pretty good job on that.

Also, Bush made things drastically worse. Had he not run up a debt with ongoing deficits and passed medicare part D, maybe those things aren’t so pressing. Were you complaining then? I was.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:43 am

Penny Pincher — “let’s not forget his party controlled both the house and the senate for his fisrt two years”

And do you know when the actual vote was taken, or are you just taking a shot in the dark?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:43 am

That’s what Obama wants. Obama knows the stupid people far outnumber the people with some sense. Thus, if he can get them, he’ll win re-election.

Too bad the stupid people (i.e. low effort thinkers) lean conservative: http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract?rss=1

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:44 am

BRO,

Weak herring…he promised to close it not simply shut it down to new business….it seems most of the targets where already rounded up unless I’m mistaken…do you know of any combatants who were specifically put elsewhere? I don’t know the answer but my post relative to his promises remains germaine.

All of those suggesting BO et al are responsible for illogical smartarse suggestions are those quick to give BO credit for economic recovery and getting OBL despite the facts that others set the table and no evidence exists that any policies or leadership (certainly not Stimulus) made a tremedous difference…Bush’s legacy will reflect similar reflection about how the economy performed, how many of our kids died fighting inappropriate wars and the Cheney factor…

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:45 am

@Adam

“By this summer it will not matter. Unemployment will be rising.

I’m so saving that one.”

Don’t worry I have already saved it, so I’ll make it easy for you.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article9553-why-job-growth-will-be-turning-negative.html

http://www.nolanchart.com/article8700-obamas-goose-is-simmering.html

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
10:45 am

Guess Romney can kiss that non-white vote goodbye. Go ahead and pick Rubio, get you 3-4 points, max.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

I still think the vp will be paul ryan.

ty webb

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

the overall margin is 7 points(not sure what the margin of error is and don’t really care)…Comes down to which group turns out to vote…I, personally, am not in the GOP, but if Romney can persuade white, male, “racists” like me to show up at the polls, and he gets a few white , female “racists”, then it should be a close election.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

JF MAC,

There’s your sign…how long can your President Trillion lay all current woes on prior administrations? Take credit for the good, deny ownership for the balance. You really think any of his policies for economy worked? Very suspect indeed…

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

Off topic, but funny as hell…. Ol’ Newt is giving Fox the “business”. :)

In what some might consider an act of GOP political suicide, Newt Gingrich slammed Fox News earlier this week, saying that the cable news channel has favored Mitt Romney throughout the 2012 Republican race–and that CNN has been the more “fair-and-balanced” network this cycle.

“I think Fox has been for Romney all the way through,” Gingrich said during a meeting with Tea Party leaders in Delaware on Wednesday, according RealClearPolitics.com, which said it was granted access to the private event. “In our experience, Callista and I both believe CNN is less biased than Fox this year. We are more likely to get neutral coverage out of CNN than we are of Fox, and we’re more likely to get distortion out of Fox. That’s just a fact.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-cnn-less-biased-fox-news-141511492.html

The ego has a way of writing checks that one’s ass will have to cash at some point in the future. It’s gonna be interesting to see Newt spin his way out of this one. :lol:

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

Romney also has an advantage in the fact that it is white males writing all the voter ID laws, redistricting the maps, etc.

“No manipulation over here…it’s all legal…it’s all good….OH, LOOK, BLACK PANTHER!”

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:47 am

ty-why do you put racists in quotes? “racists”

Stonethrower

April 12th, 2012
10:47 am

We really had a divided country under President Lincoln! Congressman Joe Wilson with his “you lie” is proof enought for your chart above.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:48 am

EJ Moosa: So not only do I get to say you’re wrong HERE, but I get to say you’re wrong on ANOTHER SITE as well? Awesome!

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:48 am

Stevie Ray — “All of those suggesting BO et al are responsible for illogical smartarse suggestions are those quick to give BO credit for economic recovery and getting OBL despite the facts that others set the table”

Translation: Obama’s responsible for the bad things that conservatives point out and doesn’t deserve credit if conservatives don’t want to give him any.

:roll:

Don't Tread

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

“Under Obama, America more divided than ever”

You were expecting a different result?

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

JOE MAMA

Pretzel logic…that’s like trying to blame FDR et al for pearl harbor…get a real debate proposal….lame.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

You really think any of his policies for economy worked?

Yes.

Next question.

Steve

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

We’re divided because the uber rich plutocrats have conned the racist low-lifes into voting against their own interests via wedge issues.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
10:50 am

I remember a poll taken during the Reagan-Mondale race. Respondents were asked their views on a number of issues. At the end of the poll they were told which candidate held those views. Most were aligned with Mondale. But, when asked who they planned on voting for, most answered ‘Reagan.’ The reason? They felt they’d be better off economically under Reagan than under Mondale.

We now have a little shift in that. Republican ranks and conservative cable are full of people who make nowhere near a million dollars a year, but they vigorously defend their right to be even better off than they are now. When asked how they’d fare personally, many respond with slogans about economic theory or aspirations of being rich someday.

No, they’re not more selfless than those Reagan-Mondale respondents. Just more susceptible to manipulation.

And the majority who aren’t seem to be coalescing around Pres Obama.

Morning, Becky

“How many maids, nannies, drivers, gardeners do you suppose she had and has now?”

Oh, less than Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt have, I’d imagine -

:-)

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:51 am

Well, Adam,

I have not been wrong on the jobs analysis yet.

But you go ahead and give it your best shot.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

Morning Paul.

But Paul, Angelina and Brad are movie stars! They actually work! Just kidding, kinda

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

stevie ray

Not weak at all. Obama does not write legislation. Congress does. Obama does not control Congress, ergo, Obama had no way of passing legislation to close Guantanamo all by himself. The Mamby Pamby Congress is who you should be laying blame on when it comes to closing Guantanamo. If I cut your customer base off 100%, have I not effectively shut your business down? Seems that there were still high value targets left when Obama was sworn into office unless you don’t consider Bin Laden and Al Awlaki as targets. As I said, Obama has been killing them all since he got into office. I don’t necessarily agree with that tactic, but that’s his thing.

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Adam

Was I wrong with my assessment? :)

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

“Too bad the stupid people (i.e. low effort thinkers) lean conservative:”

Dang! And all this time I thought there were pretty intelligent people living in North Fulton. I guess all the solid high schools in North Fulton are a mirage also. I need to move down there to where all the smarties live in Clayton, South Fulton, DeKalb.

Maybe I can move into Hank Johnson’s district & help him stabilize Guam from tipping over.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

I love reading how some white men try to persuade others he is white only in skin color. Now that is the kind of person who really has a Identity problem.

Aqua girl and Becky– have you left the stove on?

Jay

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

As a rule, the “You’re too stupid to know I’m right” argument has very little market appeal. But hey, go with it if that’s all you’ve got.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:53 am

JOE MAMA,

My argument is that BO gets credit and blame for what happens on his watch whether good or bad (the 911’s aside)..if he gets a second term and continues his childish whining about the hand he is dealt, his memoirs will be labeled “not my fault but I did get OBL and a temporary respite from crap economy..I will give him that.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
10:53 am

Morning, Finn

“Go ahead and pick Rubio, get you 3-4 points, max.”

I do get a kick out of those who were apoplectic over the experience issue with Obama, who ‘ooooh’ and ‘aaaaah’ over Marco Rubio.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:53 am

Stevie Ray — “Pretzel logic…that’s like trying to blame FDR et al for pearl harbor…get a real debate proposal….lame.”

I was talking about *your* debate proposal there, Champ. :roll:

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:54 am

JAY,

My experience is that the moment the name calling ensues, the debate is conceded by the name caller…you agree?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:54 am

EJ Moosa: So you’ve been doing predictions that the unemployment rate would drop, across all metrics (U-1 to U-6) for the past 7 months, prior to it happening?

If so, I apologize for my misstatement.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:56 am

Stevie Ray — “My argument is that BO gets credit and blame for what happens on his watch whether good or bad (the 911’s aside)”

You don’t get it. If you toss 9/11, then you have no credibility.

If you want anyone to buy your argument that Presidents own *whatever* happens on their watch, good or bad, then you need to stop trying to throw out 9/11.

Unless and until you accept that, I can’t possibly take you seriously. And none of the rest of your argument is even worth reading after that point.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
10:56 am

“Guess Romney can kiss that non-white vote goodbye”

And how is this specific to Romney chief??? This has been the case for decades pal.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:56 am

JOE,

I will accept the CHAMP label as it happened on my watch…appreciate the debate gotta go make the donuts..be good.

Ayn Rant

April 12th, 2012
10:57 am

Politics has divided America into red and blue states along the geographical and philosophical lines of the War Between the States, 1861-1865. And we all know what came of that!

The division is sustained by that minority of the voter-age population who actually vote in elections. For example, Deal was elected Governor by 53% of the people who actually voted, but only 18.5% of the voting-age population of the state.

At some point, as the economic and social fabric of the red states continues to crumble, the non-voting adults will come from the shadows to vote their interests, and the red states will turn deep blue.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
10:58 am

Finn

Oh, and they also like Rubio because of all those minority votes he’ll attract……

It just gets better and better.

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:58 am

No, Adam,

I have been predicting employment would be rising, following the rise inthe rate of profit growth year over .

And it’s been longer than seven months….

FUN GUY

April 12th, 2012
10:58 am

“Let me tell you, the things that’s about to happen, to these honkeys, these crackers, these pigs, these pink people, these [expletive] people. It has been long overdue. My prize right now this evening … is gonna be the bounty, the arrest, dead or alive, for George Zimmerman. You feel me?” – Michelle Williams – Chief of Staff for the New Black Panther Party

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:58 am

With regards to the comments about Romney’s wife…get used to it. You’re in the main election right now…it’s just going to get worse.

Don’t expect Obama to personally call you and apologize.

Maude

April 12th, 2012
10:59 am

Obama has certainly united the white man.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
10:59 am

“the non-voting adults will come from the shadows to vote their interests, and the red states will turn deep blue”

Is this what you wished upon a star? It sounds like a fairy tale.

Generation Jones

April 12th, 2012
10:59 am

The changing of the guard has occurred and every generation’s interpretation is different from their predecessors! Ex. Generation Jones did not endure the problems that occurred in the Baby Boomer generation. We came on the tale end and find some of their beliefs outdated! (This is just ONE persons perception.) MANY may have a different perception!!!!

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
11:01 am

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
11:01 am

“Romney also has an advantage in the fact that it is white males writing all the voter ID laws, redistricting the maps, etc”

Good grief. The Liberal ignorance machine is working overtime akin to the Treasury pumping out money.

The last crappy Democratic governor in this state had his redistricting maps thrown out by the courts. The maps created by Deal were approved by none other than Obama’s DOJ.

Try Again

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:02 am

And how is this specific to Romney chief??? This has been the case for decades pal.

Not according to the other data presented in this very same column.

Or did you not read it?

Steve

April 12th, 2012
11:03 am

I’m sorry folks, but Obama is going to win re-election. I don’t see Romney gaining enough traction here.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
11:03 am

This has been the case for decades pal.

You’d think Republicans would notice and maybe stop p*ssing people off. That would be the sane thing to do.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
11:04 am

Michelle Williams – typical liberal

Half White/Half Black = 1st Black President of the US

Half White/Half Hispanic = White Scum that killed unarmed black youth

Dirty Dawg

April 12th, 2012
11:04 am

Hey Taxpayer, well that makes, at least, two of us here. Pretty much the ‘minority’ that I find myself in every day, either among ‘friends’ or relatives. Face it, Georgia’s a lost cause – at least from the standpoint of ever again doing anything that might qualify as ‘progressive’. The only possible hope for us in any state-wide race is if we could find a bright, tough, articulate woman that could appeal to women in general and Democrats regardless of age or race. Of course that wouldn’t buy you much in the legislature, but it’s a start. Then if we could get a fighter back in charge of the DNC, like Howard Dean, that would be willing to commit to that 50-state strategy again and give more bright, young potential candidates hope. Then all you’ll need is a few billionaire sugar-daddies/mommas to fund the fight…then just maybe…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:04 am

Newt telling it (almost) like it is. Wow. I bet Fox isn’t happy about that.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
11:05 am

I guess Noot and Calista can kiss that Fox news gig goodbye.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:05 am

“some accuse Obama of divisive policies and rhetoric; others argue that certain segments of the electorate have responded negatively for reasons that have nothing to do with how Obama has governed, and are instead related to his race and background. For the moment, let’s set that debate aside…”

As I read thru the posts it appears those who adhere to the “others argue that certain segments of the electorate have responded negatively for reasons that have nothing to do with how Obama has governed, and are instead related to his race and background” group have the decided advantage in the number of posts they’ve made.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:05 am

“But I was particularly struck by his performance among women aged 18-49: He loses that core group by a startling 31 points, 64-33 percent. That’s basically a 2-1 advantage for Obama.”

I think the Democrat’s manufactured and bogus “war on women” has a lot to do with it. And with more and more babies being born out of wedlock- now 1 in 4 is there any surprise that women look to the Dem party instead for social programs and assistance? The single women with babies to feed don’t want to hear the bit about responsibility and their baby daddys sure as shyte don’t want to hear about manning up and financially supporting their kids. So naturally they will vote Dem to get more assistance at the expense of other taxpayers.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:05 am

Good grief. The Liberal ignorance machine is working overtime akin to the Treasury pumping out money.

The last crappy Democratic governor in this state had his redistricting maps thrown out by the courts. The maps created by Deal were approved by none other than Obama’s DOJ.

Translation: My one example of something that happened years ago is somehow directly applicable to today and negates your argument somehow, some way….

David Granger

April 12th, 2012
11:07 am

And I voted for President Obama because he promised to stop that “revolving door” (his words) for lobbyists and former officials, allow at least five days of public review before signing any bills, and reduce all earmarks to mid-1990 levels.
The first two promises were ones that he could keep without needing any other political support…they were entirely in his own hands. And he immediately ignored the “revolving door” promise, even to the point of hiring a Treasury Secretary who hadn’t even been paying his taxes. And in the frenzy of pushing that Affordable Care Act through, we all know what a joke that five-day review turned out to be.
Reducing earmarks was NOT something that he could control without congressional help, so I can’t blame him entirely for that. Though he didn’t try too hard, either.
You’re right, Jay. Our country is…sadly…more divided than ever.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
11:07 am

Suddenly the air in here got stinky and cloudy. I hate it when that happens.

DBCOOPER

April 12th, 2012
11:07 am

If you vote for someone simply because they look like you do, or they will GIVE you free stuff. It will bring this once great country to its knees.

mm

April 12th, 2012
11:08 am

“Romney’s only significant advantage — 61-35 percent — is among white male voters”

And it doesn’t take a genius to figure that one out. Just look at the audiences at the Romney campaign stops. Old white men and their subservant wives.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:09 am

“others argue that certain segments of the electorate have responded negatively for reasons that have nothing to do with how Obama has governed, and are instead related to his race and background”

Do these others have any proof that its about Obama’s race? Or is that just their supposition? Looking at these blogs I have yet to see anyone saying that Obama’s failure has been because he is black. I have seen plenty of folks positing that the reason his presidency has been such a failure is because of his incompetence and his policies. But being black? Nope.

USMC

April 12th, 2012
11:09 am

“White men telling everyone else how they should feel in 3…2…1….”–AquaGirl

Looks like the Racists on the Jay’s blog have already started vocalizing their daily Hate Tirade.

Get some self esteem, Aquagirl, and everything will be okay. :-)

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
11:10 am

Paul @ 10:53

:)

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:10 am

Thulsa: I think the Democrat’s manufactured and bogus “war on women” has a lot to do with it.

No, the Republicans continually legislating things that disproportionately affect women, sometimes ONLY affect women, is the cause of the idea of the war on women. Republican politicians have EARNED this charge. And only now, after realizing how badly it has affected their numbers, do they want to turn around and blame it on Democrats. Kind of like the whole “class warfare” argument, or “They’re the Obama Tax Cuts Now” or any other “I’m rubber, you’re glue” argument.

What you fail to realize or understand is that the Republicans, the conservatives, and YOU specifically, think that you can win the argument by taking all of your OWN shortcomings and accusing the other side of having those same shortcomings. Whatever it may be called, “muddying the waters,” “I’m rubber, you’re glue,” or projection, the fact is that your side is the one with the actual problems, and you are avoiding facing them. Instead, you prefer to pretend it’s not happening. You guys need therapy.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
11:11 am

As stated on the last thread, Jay, racism comes in many flavors,

Racism–A belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Liberal Racism–The belief that people with black skin are “disadvantaged” (= inferior) to those with white skin, and therefore deserving of special treatment/special protections.

Because you Libs like to hide your racism in “benevolent” policies such as Affirmative Action and Hate Crimes legislation, you don’t recognize it for what it is. There’s only one way to achieve a colorblind society, which is to make the law apply equally to everyone. Got it??

From my perspective, Obama has fed into Liberal Racism by selectively commenting on stories in which it appears that a Black person was a victim at the hands of Whites.

Contrarian

April 12th, 2012
11:11 am

It’s mostly the fault of Regressives, pre- and post-BHO. Even if the Regressives won’t admit it, which they won’t.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:12 am

What MiltonMan claims:

Said by one who has no problem with the DNC advisor blasting non-working women.

what Hilary Rosen actually said:

“What you have is, Mitt Romney running around the country saying, ‘Well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues. And when I listen to my wife, that’s what I’m hearing.’ Guess what: his wife has never really worked a day in her life. She’s never really dealt with the kind of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school, and why do we worry about their future.”

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
11:13 am

Adam – yes I have indeed & plenty others comparable to this. I guess you don’t know the difference between reading & comprehending???

“The best gauge may be the 2000 election between Al Gore and George W. Bush, a contest that had no incumbent and basically ended in a tie. According to CNN exit poll data from that election, Gore had an 11-point advantage over George Bush among women, compared to Obama’s current 19-point advantage. Among voters 18-29, Gore and Bush were essentially tied, a far cry from the 28-point lead that Obama now enjoys.”

Please point out in the above section where it is mentioned/alludes to white vs. non-white.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
11:14 am

Gore isn’t black but he sure was orange during that time frame for spending too much time at the tanning salon.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
11:14 am

Dirty Dawg,

At least Jay comes out occassionally and gives us hope that there are a few good Republicans here in the state of Georgia trying to put a dent in the faux family values meme foisted upon us by the likes of Ralston and Perdue and Balfour, et al.

gm

April 12th, 2012
11:15 am

willie lynch

You are correct:

This is no shocker with white males, and people over 65, these people are still fighting the 21st Century,
What I do not understand how is Obama a divider when half of the country did not like Bush? the man had a 20% approval rater””

Mary Elizabeth

April 12th, 2012
11:15 am

My interpretation is consistent with yours, but with a differing slant, if you will. I have written often on this blog that I believe that the world is moving toward a more egalitarian consciousness from an older, hierarchial consciousness, as evidenced through the formation of America herself, based on the premise that “all are created equal,” the end of slavery, the end of Jim Crow, the right of women to vote and have rights equal to men, the creation of the United Nations, the break up of the Soviet Union into smaller, relatively self-determining states, the end of apartheid in South Africa, the Gay, Bisexual and Transexual Liberation Movement, and the Arab Spring, among many other illustrations.

In the numbers given above, the same demographic groups who were in support of John Kerry in 2000 have widened their margins in their support for Obama in 2012. This change – or evolution as I see it – is more than simply another choice between two men, such as Kerry and Bush or Obama and Romney. It is the result of the continuing progression toward a greater egalitarian consciousness throughout American and the world. The last demographic group to break from a hierarchial view of others is the American white male of middle years and older. Many white males, of that age bracket, throughout the world praise Obama as the U. S. President and they agree with his vision. I know firsthand from having had conversations with male family relatives who are French natives.

Why do American white older males continue to hold strongly to their increasingly anachronistic hierarchial views of power and, thus, do not support Obama for attempting to transcend that vision? The answer is obvious to many. White males in America have been at the top of the “power chain” since our nation was formed, and power does not relinquish itself, easily. Hierarchy and power go hand-in-hand. Equality and egalitarianism go hand-in-hand. The world is changing. Our Founding Fathers were men of extraordinary vision. They knew that it was inevitable that the world would change and evolve. George Washington was not known for being a visionary, as much as he was honored for his pragmatic wisdom. Through his wisdom, Washington by his act of voluntarily relinquishing his power, after having won the Revolutionary War to return to Mt. Vernon as a private citizen, equal to all other citizens, became a visionary. He made that same choice, deliberately, a second time when he refused to run for President of the U.S. for a third term and relinquished power, once again, to return Mt. Vernon as a private citizen. I believe the Father of Our Country made those specific choices so that Americans would emulate his wisdom, well into the future. Washington demonstrated by his actions that the better way is not to seek and glorify self-interested power, but instead to honor service to one’s fellowmen and women. The world is evolving in that direction because the world is developing a more egalitarian consciousness, and the numbers, above, demonstrate that reality to me.

ty webb

April 12th, 2012
11:16 am

“Jim Crow”…Shocker!

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:16 am

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

You really think any of his policies for economy worked?

“Yes.

Next question.”- Adam

Now THASS funny!

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:16 am

stands

There are a number of women who’ve made the decision to stay home with their kids (oftentimes at significant economic sacrifice) who do bristle when they hear someone refer to them as ‘never having worked a day in their lives’ or they’ve ‘never dealt with issues of how do we feed our kids send them to school and why do we worry about their future.’

Some on the Left can be just as callously insensitive as some on the Right.

Generation Jones

April 12th, 2012
11:17 am

Another thought….the kids that are supporting President Obama (18-29), MOST of them belong to the Generation Jones!!

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
11:17 am

Brosephus–I didn’t see an answer to my query below, so I’ll ask you one more time. Do you feel “disadvantaged” by your skin color, or perhaps even “inferior” to Whites?? Do you feel that you need special help getting into college, or that you need special legal protection to save you from White racists??

Bottome line: If we want a colorblind society, it must start with our laws.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
11:17 am

Conservative Racism – A result of Low Effort Thinking.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:17 am

Bruno: As I said before, you have to make sure that everyone in power applies laws equally and fairly regardless of race, everywhere (state, local, federal) before you can say that your scenario can even be remotely accurate. Racism (as you defined it, not the false “Liberal Racism” thing after it) exists in public service too. Do you deny this?

Dirty Dawg

April 12th, 2012
11:17 am

Oh by the way, the one satisfaction I have these days is the belief that come Nov 7, a bunch of greedy-a$$ billionaires will have pi$$ed away a gazillion dollars trying to keep Obama from a second term…the German word for it is ’schadenfreude’. Pretty sick to realize that that’s about all this native Georgian has to look forward to politically for the foreseeable future.

Moderate Line

April 12th, 2012
11:18 am

It is interesting to see how someone on the left relies completely on interperting the strength of both parties based on race and gender. I believe both parties have appeal to people beyond race and gender. For example the Dems and the left appeal to people who are highly educated and with little education. It also appeals to people who perfer more government services vs less.

The right appeals to people who are educated and who tend to have to pay the most taxes for government services.

It also interesting to see how Hispanics will respond to incidents like the Trayvon case where suddenly they are thrown in with “whites”. When the interest of poor whites conflicted with blacks the Dems pretty much forgot the interest of poor whites.

Also, it is interesting to note that from 1933 to 1994 the Democrats pretty much dominated the House only losing the house for 2-two year periods. This was when the Dems were more focus on the economic divide than on gender and racial divides.

Since 1994 the Republicans have controlled the house all but four years since 1994.

So it seems odd that Jay gloats over the electoral superiorty of the Dems when they seem to be at one of their lowest points. The last time the Dems lost two house races in a row prior to the 90’s was in the early 30’s.

I think the Dems would do better if they focused more on economic issues but that is just my opinion.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Why do American white older males continue to hold strongly to their increasingly anachronistic hierarchial views of power and, thus, do not support Obama for attempting to transcend that vision? The answer is obvious to many.

Hey ME–Sterotype much?? Your words are looking pretty ugly from my view.

carlosgvv

April 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Mitch McConnell and the Republicans set the stage for this divide when he announced that the number one goal of his Party was the defeat of Obama. He and the Tea Party Republicans then set out to gridlock the Congress in such a way that Obama would have little chance of implementing even half of his programs. Washington is now locked in gridlock and bitterness, thanks to the Republicans who never hesitate to put Party and Big Business above the interests of the American people.

ragnar danneskjold

April 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Well reasoned argument, neutral voice – no dispute from this white guy who almost always votes republican.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Aaawwwww poor Newt is poutraged!

PD, you owe it to yourself to read the whole RCP interview that spawned your link, if you haven’t already–it’s here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/12/gingrich_unloads_on_fox_news_in_private_meeting___113818.html

and it’s hilarious.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:20 am

Sterotype much??

Oh, please do go on lecturing, Dr. “You Libs” McDaintypinkie.

mm

April 12th, 2012
11:20 am

“I think the Democrat’s manufactured and bogus “war on women” has a lot to do with it.”

Well, based on the numbers for women voters, I don’t believe they think it is manufactured.

“If you vote for someone simply because they look like you do, or they will GIVE you free stuff.”

This, in a nutshell, explains why folks vote for the GOP against their own self interest. They always fear somebody is getting something they can’t get So go get a minimum wage job to reduce your tax burden. It’s really easy to live off of less than $1000 a month.

gozbothwaez

April 12th, 2012
11:20 am

FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY! DUUUUUUHHHHHH!

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:20 am

“How many maids, nannies, drivers, gardeners do you suppose she had and has now? I happen to like Ann Romney and can imagine being friends with her even though she has to be a bit out of touch. I’m sure she has no idea what a gallon of milk costs and probably has never been in a grocery store.”

Hmmm. So someone says they “like” Ann Romney and then proceeds to call her out of touch, criticize her for possibly having had maids, nannys, etc. and suggest that she doesn’t even know what a gallon of milk costs.

The kook left do like to hate on successful people they do.

ragnar danneskjold

April 12th, 2012
11:22 am

Given my innate obligation to post something snarky, wimps vote for democrats

telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9197597/Strong-men-more-likely-to-vote-Conservative.html

Dr. Pangloss

April 12th, 2012
11:23 am

This breakdown is party sexual in origin. Many white men of my generation still have an always present fear that a BLACK man is going to get him some white women.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:23 am

Hello Mary Elizabeth

Glad you’re back.

“I believe that the world is moving toward a more egalitarian consciousness from an older, hierarchial consciousness”

Jay has written about upward mobility being more likely in some European countries with a strong hierarchical background than here.

Add that to a significant segment who strives to protect the advantages of a group waaaay up the ladder from them and it all seems rather perverse.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
11:24 am

Oh, please do go on lecturing, Dr. “You Libs” McDaintypinkie.

You would have a much larger moral background to stand on if you didn’t spew hate toward Cons with virtually every post, sfd. Like most of the Libs here, you never seem to notice the three fingers pointing right back at yourself.

DBCOOPER

April 12th, 2012
11:24 am

Some may not support Obama because they don’t agree with his policies. Has anyone thought of that? We have so many ‘victims’ in American society these days. Everyone seems to belong to a certain victim group. Therefore they are intitled to what someone else who they consider ‘better off’ than them. And the want the government to TAKE whatever it is they want from someone else and give to them because they are victims of something. You can theorize why ‘white men’ don’t like Obama all you want. It’s is simple! People dont’ want government to take what they have and give it to someone who ‘(right or wrong)’ is percieved as sitting on their ass waiting on a hand-out. It’s that simple.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:25 am

ragnar: From your article: They are more likely to get angry and then get aggressive and in terms of attitude, they believe that aggression is a better way or resolving disputes.

So really, stupid neanderthals vote for conservatives, while more evolved and advanced people vote otherwise. Thanks for the link! :D

Keith

April 12th, 2012
11:25 am

Non-whites 79% for Obama. WTF were you saying about race based voting?

DawgDad

April 12th, 2012
11:26 am

Since YOU, Jay, brought up the racial and sex profiling, let’s see the data on what percent of tax revenue is provided by white men. I think that would provide some valuable insight on the political divisions.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:26 am

There are a number of women who’ve made the decision to stay home with their kids (oftentimes at significant economic sacrifice) who do bristle when they hear someone refer to them as ‘never having worked a day in their lives’ or they’ve ‘never dealt with issues of how do we feed our kids send them to school and why do we worry about their future.’

Of course. And those particular comments, uttered during some crappy TV talkshow exchange, were ill chosen and it’s no wonder she’s been thrown under the bus by Team Obama for having said them.

That said, I’ll have to run those exact words past Mrs. sfd who is technically a stay-at-home mom, who’s making many of those same economic sacrifices of which you speak, and see how bent out of shape she is. I’m thinking the answer will be “not very.”

And with that, perhaps I’ll have the same finger-on-the-pulse-of-American-wimminz that Mittens claims.

Mr_B

April 12th, 2012
11:26 am

Bruno: you err in your ‘equation ““disadvantaged” (= inferior)” > Liberals/progressives believe nothing of the kind.

Neither do we believe that the playing field is anywhere near level yet. It’s getting better, but it’s not there yet.

“There’s only one way to achieve a colorblind society, which is to make the law apply equally to everyone.” You usually wouldn’t fall for such a simplistic “solution” as this; but AA and hate crime laws do apply to everyone. How about raising a generation of Americans who simply don’t see race in the same terms that their parents and grandparents did?

I teach these kids every day. It’s coming.

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
11:27 am

“Non-whites 79% for Obama. WTF were you saying about race based voting?”

You’re absolutely right. I mean REALLY, just look at all those other black Presidents that raced-based voting helped put in office. What more proof do you need?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:27 am

Bruno: At least admit that racism is something that applies to people in office, with power, just as much or as little as the general population. Then maybe you begin to see why laws being exactly equal aren’t enough, because enforcement of those laws is still subjective.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
11:27 am

I disagree with the conclusions

Mainly because I disagree with the assumptions also

It’s day 2 of the general election and jay is interpreting poll data

I will be interested in exit poll data after November

Generation Jones

April 12th, 2012
11:27 am

were you saying about race based voting?

From 1965 until 2004, Blacks voted for a White President 100% of the time.

What are you trying to say???

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:27 am

“Why do American white older males continue to hold strongly to their increasingly anachronistic hierarchial views of power”.

So is it only white American older males who hold these “hierarchical views of power” so to speak. Nobody in Africa, Asia, or Latin America has these Hierarchical views of power in their dominion over others?

And speaking of hierarchical we might want to take a look at the Democratic party and its hierarchical or paternalistic top down approach where big govt bureaucrats think they know what’s better for people then the people themselves. I can’t figure out what’s scarier. An incompetent president with no executive experience who thinks he knows what’s good for people- Or the people who voted for him and willingly cede the idea that he does in fact know what’s good for them better than they themselves do.

Georgia, The " New Mississippi "

April 12th, 2012
11:28 am

The Solution…….all middle aged white guys move to Georgia, South Carolina, Bama and Mississippi . We will let you secede from the Union if you agree to stay out of America..

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:28 am

let’s see the data on what percent of tax revenue is provided by white men. I think that would provide some valuable insight on the political divisions.

You and some other people who don’t know what they’re talking about might think this. Many of us do not agree.

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:29 am

You would have a much larger moral background to stand on if you didn’t spew hate toward Cons with virtually every post, sfd.

Well if by “Cons” you mean ass clowns who post trollish, fact-free drivel, who are begging to be taken down a peg, I’m guilty as charged, although I wouldn’t call that “hate” but rather “well deserved ridicule.”

and I seriously doubt you read “virtually every post” of mine, else you’d realize that I have perfectly cordial relations with plenty of folks here who are well to my right.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:29 am

Doggone: You’re absolutely right. I mean REALLY, just look at all those other black Presidents that raced-based voting helped put in office. What more proof do you need?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ty webb

April 12th, 2012
11:29 am

“Mrs. sfd who is technically a stay-at-home mom, who’s making many of those same economic sacrifices of which you speak, and see how bent out of shape she is. I’m thinking the answer will be “not very.”

just a guess, but that’s probably because someone on her “team” said it.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:30 am

“Hey ME–Sterotype much?? Your words are looking pretty ugly from my view”

followed by

“Like most of the Libs here, you never seem to notice the three fingers pointing right back at yourself.”

Irony. It’s what’s for dinner.

stands

“it’s no wonder she’s been thrown under the bus by Team Obama for having said them.”

Thanks for the information. Accountability and responsibility in action. Nice.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:31 am

You’re absolutely right. I mean REALLY, just look at all those other white mayors that raced-based voting helped put in office in cities like Philly, DC, Detroit, Atlanta. What more proof do you need?

Doomy with the typo correction.

1,754 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 12th, 2012
11:31 am

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:31 am

Thulsa: “Why do American white older males continue to hold strongly to their increasingly anachronistic hierarchial views of power”.

So is it only white American older males who hold these “hierarchical views of power” so to speak. Nobody in Africa, Asia, or Latin America has these Hierarchical views of power in their dominion over others?

Surprisingly, you answered the question. Those who are in power and feel threatened in that power being taken away will fight, even in underhanded ways, to keep and maintain power.

Dirty Dawg

April 12th, 2012
11:31 am

Damn Mary Elizabeth, you ever think about running for Governor, or maybe Senator, and do you know any billionaires?

gm

April 12th, 2012
11:32 am

Look at the age of scum Hannity and low life Rush Limbaugh these men hate the President as a person because of his accomplishments, envy is a sick drug, Hannity 3 times college drop out is jealous of Obama rise to power Limbaugh dispite making millions this high school drop out feels Obama should not be where he is.

Most of the white males that hate Obama are your undeducated males who deep down resent his achievments, if you are not playing football, basketball for them they have no respect for your ideas and do not respect you as a man.

T

April 12th, 2012
11:32 am

If Obama is so far ahead in all of these areas, why do his approval numbers continue to fall? And how accurate has ABC/Washington Post polls been? Not very. This is just more proof of how you can spin stuff any way you want it. All of it will be determined in November.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
11:34 am

stands-I am gobsmacked. I always thought you were a woman! Your likeability just increased 1000% from me. Thanks!!!!

Scooter

April 12th, 2012
11:34 am

Women typically prefer security over the uncertainty of liberty. The youth don’t know what they don’t know. Minorities all have their sacred greivances reinforced by democrats and are continually promised hope of better days ahead. Nothing surprising in this poll.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
11:34 am

Obama needs to stop waging a war against women

What a sicko

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:34 am

You’re absolutely right. I mean REALLY, just look at all those other white mayors

IOW: When the topic is local or state, switch to Obama under the impression that will somehow make it possible to be in a winning position. If, however, the topic is about Obama, switch back to something local under the impression that will somehow make it possible to be in a winning position.

You would benefit from reading this, Thulsa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi#Red_herring

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from subject of argument.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
11:36 am

Bruno — “Hey ME–Sterotype much?? Your words are looking pretty ugly from my view.”

Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about you yesterday when you posted that ‘this is how liberals think about abortion’ screed of yours.

yuzeyurbrane

April 12th, 2012
11:37 am

Romney will close the gap. He is smart, has lots of money and a non-offensive personality. He is classic proof of empty vessel theory—many voters will ascribe to him their own views and will have quotes to back them up. Bland but will appeal to many suburban voters. Add to that the racists and Republican voter suppression efforts which have been quite effective and you have election Romney could well win. In long run, however, Republicans are ignoring massive demographic changes. It won’t be long before whites are a minority in the country as a whole and Republicans not only appear to be mostly ignoring this but are creating a history of voter suppression of the new majority which will be remembered by their children as they reach voting age. What goes around comes around.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
11:37 am

just a guess, but that’s probably because someone on her “team” said it.

Or maybe she just doesn’t care that much.

Given the information Jay has posted, maybe it would be wise for white men to sit down and LISTEN without going all defensive. That’s hard work if you’ve never had to pay attention before, but you either learn or slide into irrelevancy.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:38 am

T: If Obama is so far ahead in all of these areas, why do his approval numbers continue to fall? And how accurate has ABC/Washington Post polls been? Not very.

Assert something, then discount a poll in a prebuttal form, so as to somehow make one’s conclusion correct.

Since before the beginning of the year, Obama’s approval rating has actually been going up: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
11:38 am

Did we ever get a visual confirmation that Mitt ate grits without putting sugar on them? And how often does his wife cook them for him and those five kids at home?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
11:39 am

Doom — “The kook left do like to hate on successful people they do.”

What’d Ann Romney do to get successful, other than marry a successful man?

This is kind of the reverse of the John Kerry Married A Rich Lady argument, :D

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
11:40 am

Obviously Gore was seen as I Q challenged due to the fact he flunked out of seminary school. Also, he was viewed as untrustworthy – constant lies about inventing the internet, etc. I couldn’t vote for someone who is dishonest and I Q challenged. Most in Congress have some degree of intelligence though the may be lacking in common sense. The like of Al Gore and Edward Kennedy “inherited” their position

Becky

April 12th, 2012
11:40 am

Just wandered over to Jim Galloway’s blog. oh my, off the rails already within 20 posts. Yes, you do know who drive the crazee train.

PS

April 12th, 2012
11:40 am

I think Obama made some polarizing decisions initially – the stimulus was very divisive as was the health care initiaitve – that eroded a lot of potential good will. That said, it’s not like he had a huge mandate (if any) to begin with.

Mr_B

April 12th, 2012
11:41 am

“Nobody in Africa, Asia, or Latin America has these Hierarchical views of power in their dominion over others?”

American exceptionalism (?), anybody?

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:41 am

Paul, from the top story linked on The Google,
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/04/ann-romney-women-work-hilary-rosen-/1?csp=hf#.T4b3edlOe8A

Rosen’s original comments, made during a CNN interview Wednesday night, immediately drew rebukes from several top Democrats working on President Obama’s re-election campaign, including campaign manager Jim Messina, strategist David Axelrod and deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter.

Messina tweeted: “I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly. Her comments were wrong and family should be off limits. She should apologize.”

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
11:41 am

Bruno — “Like most of the Libs here”

And there it is again.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:41 am

If Al gore said he invented the internet, then Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
11:42 am

Peadawg

Beat you to that Newt piece. Check page 2. :)

————————-

Bruno : I didn’t see an answer to my query below, so I’ll ask you one more time. Do you feel “disadvantaged” by your skin color, or perhaps even “inferior” to Whites??Do you feel that you need special help getting into college, or that you need special legal protection to save you from White racists??

I didn’t see your question. Generally, I don’t answer that kind of stuff because of the idea that, regardless of my answer, it does not mean that I am right or wrong when the principles apply to others. However, for you, I’ll answer it this once.

Do I feel disadvantaged by my skin color? It depends on the circumstances. My name would not generally lead one to think of me being melanin enhanced, so it’s easy to see the confusion/disappointment/concern when people don’t get what they think they’ll get when they first meet me in person. There’s the whole issue with the “clutch the purse” mentality and the “cross the street to avoid walking by me” thing that kinda irks me.

On the other hand, there are times when my skin color is an advantage. I can walk through the hood with less apprehension than someone who’s lacking the melanin that I have. My skin tone also helps with interviewing people from some particular countries at work. The citizens there are less apprehensive of me because of my appearance and are generally more open and honest with me.

Do I feel inferior to Whites? Hell no, and this is the question that I like to avoid because of my beliefs. If you really wanna know how I feel, don’t get mad at my answer. My genetics actually make me feel superior to Whites. I can withstand more direct sunlight exposure without protection than White people can. I can procreate with someone else in my race and produce a “White” baby (blonde haired, blue eyed, pale skin), but two White people can not create a “Black” child (brown eyed, melanin enhanced, with an afro). Because my ancestors survived the boat trip to America, slavery, AND Jim Crow, I feel that I am more adapted, physically and mentally, to surviving hardships and tough situations than those who’s DNA has not been challenged in that manner.

As to the special need for getting into college, I didn’t need help, but that does not mean that the need is not there. Go back and research Knight v State of Alabama and it’s reprecussions to see how removing inequitable treatment aids ALL citizens. The State of Alabama didn’t fund it’s “minority” colleges to the same extent they funded AU and UA. As a result of that case, my alma mater now has the State Forensics lab and offices, new programs and degrees, and much more financial support from the state. Even long time Montgomery residents say they love how the school looks now, and all it took was equitable funding from the state.

Racist White people need protection from me, and not the other way around. As long as the keep to themselves and don’t threaten me or my family, they have the freedom to say what they choose. I will fight to the day I close my eyes to protect that freedom. When they cross the line and make a direct threat, then it’s a whole different ballgame. As I told you with the abortion debate we had, sometimes you have to fight for things, even if those things do not agree with your personal ideology.

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
11:42 am

Pangloss you ain’t no Dr. but you might be RACIST – just a little bit?

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:42 am

TaxPayer

“And how often does his wife cook them for him and those five kids at home”

About as often as people in the south go out for fish fry on Friday night, I’d guess -

barking frog

April 12th, 2012
11:42 am

Is Romney reviving
barefoot and pregnant?

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:43 am

TaxPayer

Sorry, meant to paste in the grits reference, not the ‘cook for the kids’ reference.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:43 am

stands-I am gobsmacked. I always thought you were a woman!

I get that sometimes. I’m also presumed to be of the colored persuasion once in a while.

Obviously I find this horrifying.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:43 am

PS: That said, it’s not like he had a huge mandate (if any) to begin with.

Yeah that big Democratic sweep in 2006 and 2008 meant nothing.

On the other hand, the elections in 2010 = MANDATE. 2004? MANDATE. 2000? MANDATE! But 2006 and 2008? Eh, that was nothing!

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
11:43 am

Keith — “Non-whites 79% for Obama. WTF were you saying about race based voting?”

“Non-whites” would include Asian-Americans and Hispanic-Americans. Do you have any comment about that?

Becky

April 12th, 2012
11:44 am

stands-does Mrs. Stands know where you spend your days blogging?

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:44 am

stands

“I’m also presumed to be of the colored persuasion once in a while. ”

You’re in good company. Brosephus gets that, too -

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:45 am

Brosephus gets a standing ovation for his 11:42a.

Sit down, Bruno, and be quiet about race issues. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
11:46 am

Doom — “You’re absolutely right. I mean REALLY, just look at all those other white mayors that raced-based voting helped put in office in cities like Philly, DC, Detroit, Atlanta. What more proof do you need?”

So it’s non-whites’ collective fault if white people moved to the suburbs? Is that what you’re saying?

“Doomy with the typo correction.”

Joe Mama with the truth check.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
11:47 am

What a zoo

Rosen and democrats hate stay at home moms

Pathetic

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:47 am

just a guess, but that’s probably because someone on her “team” said it.

fair point, ty, but it’d be hard to test; I could deliberately mis-identify the source of the quote as, say, a Gingrich or RonPaul functionary, and see how she’d respond?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:47 am

Curious silence on my takedown of the conservative/Republican deflection (I’m rubber you’re glue) tactic.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
11:48 am

I saw a mention of Brad and Angelina Jolie a few pages back.

They work for a living so they pay taxes on that income, they don’t get to pay 14% on that income.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
11:48 am

Now Martin’s mom is even calling the shooting an accident.

Good luck to the prosecutor proving 2nd degree murder!

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
11:48 am

Hatred has no party – there are racists on the left and right. Samuel L. Jackson said he voted for Oblama ’cause he’s black. What’s the odds he would vote for Herman Cain ’cause he’s black? Dumb voters vote dumb.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:48 am

stands 11:41

That’s great. Obama’s running a disciplined campaign.

Brosephus 11:42

And that’s just one of the many reasons why I have such respect for you.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
11:49 am

involuntary manslaughter is more appropriate

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:49 am

Brosephus gets that, too -

crazy stuff!

OBAMA 2012

April 12th, 2012
11:49 am

Down goes Romney Down Goes Romney……Losers…

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
11:49 am

dB: I’m also presumed to be of the colored persuasion once in a while.

:shock: :shock:

Say it ain’t so!!!! :lol: :lol:

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:49 am

“Those who are in power and feel threatened in that power being taken away will fight, even in underhanded ways, to keep and maintain power.”

Adam,

So are you suggesting that its white males who feel threatened and that they will fight, “even in underhanded ways”, to keep and maintain power?

ty webb

April 12th, 2012
11:50 am

sfd,
yeah, kinda like a “blind taste test”…sorry for any mental image that “newt” and “taste test” may arise, but you get my point.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
11:50 am

Election 2006, Tucker Carlson’s own words “Well it’s a wave, a tidal wave….”

OBAMA 2012

April 12th, 2012
11:50 am

You cons should move to Fla and take your BS with ya!

Jm

April 12th, 2012
11:50 am

What are democrats against stay at home moms?

Given they are raising the future of America, you’d think they would consider that important.

Apparently not.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:51 am

I think Obama made some polarizing decisions initially – the stimulus was very divisive

So you think sitting and watching half of the nation’s state economies go straight down the crapper in 2009 would’ve brought us all together? interesting.

Sister Sarah

April 12th, 2012
11:51 am

You know, it’s really hard to come out here sometimes and not want to just CUSS people out. Let’s get something straight. People kill me with their uber arrogant disposition that someone wants to TAKE something from THEM simply to “give” to someone else. Aside from the hypocrisy (because these same scumbags’ and their ancestors TOOK from others and claimed as their own, which their posterity reaps the benefit), BUT what people want is the equal opportunity, equal representation, and equal protection that the majority receives without question or debate. People only need government to step in when some want to keep others “out” for all the reasons we know. But of course, with a 400 year head start and a lot of the advantage BUILT-IN, I make no pretense that such an individual would have the ability to even empathize or reason through such a thing. They have no reason to, when they are self-centered that is. Of course, this is why “liberals” are so hated. They are not SUPPOSED to “care” (but they do – by definition), and those who support the status quo hate it!

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
11:51 am

You don’t get no mandate when your party controls only 1/6 th of the lawmaking government.

you might get a man date…but no mandate.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
11:52 am

-Ann Romney responds to claim she hasn’t ‘worked a day in her life’-

“I know what it’s like to struggle and maybe I haven’t struggled as much financially as some people have, but I can tell you that I’ve had struggles in my life,” Ann Romney said Thursday.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ann-romney-hits-back-over-dem-claim-she-150125077.html

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
11:52 am

“What are democrats against stay at home moms?”

Got any proof of that? One person’s statement is not proof of a monolithic opinion within an entire group.

Dirty Dawg

April 12th, 2012
11:52 am

What I hear from Obama and what I interpret from Mary Elizabeth’s post, is that who we are as a people is that we are strong when we embrace our diversity and the combined contributions of all our ‘minorities’. Thinking about that, and realizing that every four years we not only hold Presidential elections we have The Olympic Games. Be sure to watch both the opening and closing ceremonies and compare the US team to all the others…what you will see is white, black, yellow and brown-skinned athletes that represent us as a country…it’s indeed the embodiment of who we are as a people and a Nation and I for one am prouder for it.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
11:52 am

About as often as people in the south go out for fish fry on Friday night, I’d guess -

Paul,

“Fish fry” is redundant in the south or at least it was before folks started worrying about cholesterol and such. And furthermore, it was Friday night catfish that we looked forward to when I was a little one.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
11:53 am

Obama 2012

FL is great. No income taxes.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
11:53 am

Jm — “What are democrats against stay at home moms?”

Why are Republicans against working women?

Wow, that was so EASY. Think I’ll make up some more fact-free drivel and post it, just like Jm’s doing.

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
11:53 am

Koll – you are wrong again – as usual. Angelina Jolie pays her taxes abroad where she claims foreign citizenship.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
11:53 am

Finn

Oh, I’d hazard a guess that they’ve got a lot of their millions invested in some 15% cap gains areas.

And if it ever gets to the point where they swear off working in the movies, they’ll be right in the same position in the Romneys with their accountants computing their 15% after deductions.

Which is all fine. They’re all obeying the law. People managed to get a theory accepted and passed into law that benefits them by providing a significant tax break on a certain type of income.. They now have a lot of people who don’t benefit from that law protecting the perk for them.

All in all, it’s pretty amazing.

mm

April 12th, 2012
11:54 am

“You can theorize why ‘white men’ don’t like Obama all you want. It’s is simple! People dont’ want government to take what they have and give it to someone who ‘(right or wrong)’ is percieved as sitting on their ass waiting on a hand-out. It’s that simple.”

“Non-whites 79% for Obama. WTF were you saying about race based voting?”

“let’s see the data on what percent of tax revenue is provided by white men. I think that would provide some valuable insight on the political divisions.”

“Obama needs to stop waging a war against women”

No stupidity or racism here. Move along.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

April 12th, 2012
11:54 am

I am way older (71 is not my birth year or my IQ) than the data on women voters. I voted for Mr. Obama last time & will vote for him again. We women KNOW about the War on Women.

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
11:54 am

Dr. Doufus – What is party sex exactly?

Rockerbabe

April 12th, 2012
11:54 am

What else would you expect? After all, the GOP and Faux News have made the defeat of President Obama and his platform their number 1 object since the day after he was sworn into office. With constant drumbeat of how “bad” this and that is, it is a wonder, that these old white men haven’t impeached him by now! Yes, we are divided, but I highly suspect, that it has more to do with the hatred of anything not white, not male and not monied.

Factmonger

April 12th, 2012
11:55 am

The women who vote for Obama work for the auto bailout recipients. :)

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:55 am

Thulsa: So are you suggesting that its white males who feel threatened and that they will fight, “even in underhanded ways”, to keep and maintain power?

Yes. White males hold a majority of positions of power in politics and in the private sector (CEOs and such). Go ahead and prove me wrong on that fact.

td

April 12th, 2012
11:56 am

Roses are red,
violets are blue,
To the republicans party,
I say screw you!

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
11:56 am

does Mrs. Stands know where you spend your days blogging?

yeah, and she quite sensibly finds this commenting stuff boring as all get-out.

And she’s got a point. Later, folks. Got producin’ to do.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
11:57 am

“They work for a living so they pay taxes on that income, they don’t get to pay 14% on that income.”

Finn Uncool,

So did you do their taxes for them? Are you an expert on how much of their income they now derive from investments taxes at the 15% cap gains tax rate? And do you know if they do the same crap as Jon Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, and other celebrities who get big tax writeoffs by engaging in BS farming and agricultural activities such as having a beekeeper on their property?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/farm-aid-for-bruce-springsteen-jon-bon-jovi/

Recon 0311 2533

April 12th, 2012
11:59 am

Interesting how Jay omits the very clear shift to the far left his party has taken and how that might explain Obama’s drop in approval from around 70% when he was first elected to 50% approval or less depending on what poll you read today. As for the Republican party? I don’t know about the GOP but conservatism enjoys a far greater majority than does the left. So, if the Republican party is comprised of middle-aged white men the Democrats are now mostly comprised of far-left radicals and given the ratio of those in America who identify themselves as conservative verses those who identify as left wing liberals Democrats shouldn’t feel too comfortable.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
11:59 am

Said by one who has no problem with the DNC advisor (sic) blasting non-working women.

Lie #1.

same as he owns gas prices

Lie #2.

If you vote for someone simply because they look like you do, or they will GIVE you free stuff.

Is it safe to presume that DB is a white man who only votes for white men so as to get free stuff?

Becky, leave the orange men like Mr. Boehner, out of this discussion. God knows the cons have their hands full, with blacks browns, reds and and yellows! (grin)

Damn anti-Semitic Washington Post/ABC News and Pew polls!

Why don’t they ever show the Hebe vote?

I’d love to see that 80% – 20% column in there…

getalife

April 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

The numbers are looking good.

The country is being ran by adults.

Lets keep it that way.

yuzeyurbrane

April 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

Romney will close the gap. Residual racism and Republican voter suppression efforts will help him. Racism is the same as 2008 but voter suppression efforts have passed with statutory changes. Also, Romney is the old empty vessel theory–he can be whatever you want him to be and find quotes to back you up. Inoffensive to suburban voters although bland and he should pull them along. In the long run, however, demographics will come back to bite Republicans in the rear. Profound changes are occurring now. The country won’t be majority white much longer and children of non-whites will reach voter age and remember voter suppression against their parents. What goes around comes around.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

Doom — “And do you know if they do the same crap as Jon Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, and other celebrities who get big tax writeoffs by engaging in BS farming and agricultural activities such as having a beekeeper on their property?”

I’ve long had a problem with wealthy people who engage in what I call ’show farming.’ IMO, farm and crop insurance subsidies should be reserved for individual and family farms and small agricultural businesses. Big ag conglomerates like Cargill and rich folks like Springsteen and Bongiovi shouldn’t have access to that money, as far as I’m concerned.

If farming’s not your primary means of earning an income, then IMO you shouldn’t be able to get those kinds of assistance.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

TaxPayer

That’s just my point with the grits thing. Going up north and calling fried catfish “fish fry” will get you a chorus of “are you nuts???? That is most definitely NOT fish fry.” It’s a regional thing. People slamming Romney because he doesn’t regularly partake of a southern regional dish just doesn’t seem a very significant issue.

To me, all these kinds of issues – grits, driving in a station wagon with kids and a dog – are low-level politics that divert from the real issues we’re facing.

Like ‘do we bring back the Bush foreign policy team or not?” and “Bush had a couple tax cuts and the lowest job creation since Eisenhower. Do we elect Romney and try it again?”

Republicans

April 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

Republicans will burn in hell. End of story!

Sister Sarah

April 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

@Brosephus 11:42am

Boy, you are so SICK with that post! MY man! :) And I mean that in a man-to-man kinda way.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

I have this thing figured out. Since 90+% of black people vote for someone who looks like them, I guess I’ll vote for someone who looks like me. Sounds reasonable, forget all that talk about policies or party of a candidate, it means nothing!

weetamoe

April 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

I voted for Obama in the primary because I believed him. The came the Dolchschlosse against McCain, the charges of racism against Bill Clinton, of all people, the smearing of an ailing Geraldine Ferraro, former Dem VP candidate. After the election, Obama lectured us on which radio personalities to listen to, sent busloads of union thugs to harass and intimidate private citizens, smeared physicians and insurance companies from his bully pulpit, has spawned the most corrupt justice department in history, advised attendees at the AP dinner not to treat his adversaries’ positions as legitimate, cautioned reporters not to focus on the problems with N Korea…… some of us were a little slow to catch on, others still learning, and some, like Luckovich, so terrified of black people they dare not speak truth to power.

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
12:03 pm

Why are they for Oblama? Propaganda…. Oblama is the “Great Divider”. Race warfare sex warfare class warfare. CBS NBC CNN etc, etc, etc. Racists don’t all belong to one party. Guess who the “New Black Panther Party” and Reverunt Rat will vote for.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:06 pm

I guess I’ll vote for someone who looks like me.

For the 58th straight time…

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:06 pm

I have been saying this for awhile on this blog…….. the demographic trends and voting patterns are not going to be winners for Republicans unless they really increase their outreach to minorities……..

Both parties do it, but redistricting ( imo; basically a fancy legal term for gerrymandering ) will only help slow down the inevitable……

Doesn’t mean that the Republican Party is about to fall off a cliff in the next few elections, but without changes in outreach… the day of reckoning is coming…… it is on the horizon

Paul

April 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

“I guess I’ll vote for someone who looks like me.”

’cause nobody who thinks like you ever runs?

mm

April 12th, 2012
12:08 pm

“Interesting how Jay omits the very clear shift to the far left his party has taken and how that might explain Obama’s drop in approval from around 70% when he was first elected to 50% approval or less depending on what poll you read today. As for the Republican party? I don’t know about the GOP but conservatism enjoys a far greater majority than does the left. So, if the Republican party is comprised of middle-aged white men the Democrats are now mostly comprised of far-left radicals and given the ratio of those in America who identify themselves as conservative verses those who identify as left wing liberals Democrats shouldn’t feel too comfortable”

Wow, that is the biggest crock of sh*t I’ve seen around here in a while.

You should educate up yourself.

Republicans have the lowest total of voters in the country. Independants have the highest, followed by Democrats.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:09 pm

Good luck to the prosecutor proving 2nd degree murder!

Pea

In the state of Florida, 2nd degree murder is the charge that’s usually filed when a fight ends in a death.

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Adam, Paul, & Sister Sarah

I have some pretty arrogant thoughts about who I am and what I represent. That said, I know how to temper that arrogance and keep it under control.

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I have this thing figured out. Since 90+% of black people vote for someone who looks like them, I guess I’ll vote for someone who looks like me.

When you really figure it out, you’ll realize how stupid that comment really looks to people who really know the truth.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
12:09 pm

Paul,

I think perhaps you miss the point with the grits comment as well as what the mrs prepares Mitt and family. As I recall, it was Mitt that made a point to present himself as this person that just fit right in down south and should therefore be selected as the GOP candidate and the same thng applies to trying to portray his wife as someone that understands the average citizen.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:10 pm

Poor George Willard Bush, this election is already over.

You neocons just don’t know it yet.

There is no way you can systemically and constantly attack women’s rights and hope to win.

NO WAY.

Damn 19th Amendment…

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
12:11 pm

“Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)-I have this thing figured out. Since 90+% of black people vote for someone who looks like them, I guess I’ll vote for someone who looks like me. Sounds reasonable, forget all that talk about policies or party of a candidate, it means nothing!”

Heavy on that Agent Orange huh?

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:12 pm

“have this thing figured out. Since 90+% of black people vote for someone who looks like them, I guess I’ll vote for someone who looks like me.”

How many times have you voted differently than you are stating today?

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:12 pm

“Yes. White males hold a majority of positions of power in politics and in the private sector (CEOs and such). Go ahead and prove me wrong on that fact”

There is nothing to dispute there. They do. But what I am getting at is your generalized assertion that they feel threatened. Why would they? They are going to keep holding these positions of power in both govt and the private sector. Do you honestly think that white men who in general hold substantially higher educational and achievement levels then black or Hispanic men would feel threatened by what is largely a nonthreat?

Asian men now make more money and are more successful than white men yet I don’t know of one single white man who feels threatened or resentful of this fact. More power to them if they are kicking our butts and our children’s butts in the math and science arena. If white men should feel threatened by anyone it should be Aisian men. Yet they do not. And btw there are plenty of white men who are liberal in their beliefs. Do they feel threatened? Or is it just the conservative white men?

The biggest fallacy that I constantly see you and other liberals engage in is fallacious thinking regarding zero sum fallacies on economic transactions and in competition for jobs, etc. From the various blog comments I’ve seen on here there are people who think for example that in economic transactions that benefit both parties that rich people are taking advantage of lesser people. Finn McCool is a good example with his handle yesterday about “stop letting rich people take more of our money” or something to that effect. His mindset seems to be any profit made by a wealthy person or a corporation such as a Walmart comes at the expense of someone. Completely fallacious.

Same with opportunities. Seems from the liberal comments on here that they think that if someone gets a job that they are taking an opportunity from someone else or that someone is being left out or being denied something.

Look at the open ended fallacious thinking arguments on things such as birth control and women. You guys seem to have this mindset on open ended demands such as free birth control that if such an open ended demand is not met then it constitutes a “war on women”.

Clear the cobwebs out of your thinking Adam. White con men don’t feel any more threatened then that badass honey badger does that we like to post.

Ivan

April 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

Do I feel inferior to Whites? Hell no, and this is the question that I like to avoid because of my beliefs. If you really wanna know how I feel, don’t get mad at my answer. My genetics actually make me feel superior to Whites. I can withstand more direct sunlight exposure without protection than White people can. I can procreate with someone else in my race and produce a “White” baby (blonde haired, blue eyed, pale skin), but two White people can not create a “Black” child (brown eyed, melanin enhanced, with an afro). Because my ancestors survived the boat trip to America, slavery, AND Jim Crow, I feel that I am more adapted, physically and mentally, to surviving hardships and tough situations than those who’s DNA has not been challenged in that manner.

So you’re not racist because of skin color. It just runs in your DNA. Got it.

barking frog

April 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

moslem left…christian right.
game on.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

Tom is here………..

What did that Black Democrat prosecutor say yesterday?

I saw a white Republican prosecutor speaking about the charges………..

Maybe there is two of them and the black one was busy or something

hahahahahahaha

Paul

April 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

Brosephus

I’ve always thought there was more than a little humility and an attitude of gratefulness tempering that ‘arrogance.’

TaxPayer

I did indeed miss the point of the comment.

I was at a conference in San Antonio. Attendees from all over. We were going thru the buffet line and a woman pointed at the biscuits and gravy and in a rather screechy northeastern accent loudly asked “What’s that?”

Mitt would’ve been better served by keeping quiet or by simply saying “haven’t had these much but I sure like them and plan on having them again.”

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

others argue that certain segments of the electorate have responded negatively for reasons that have nothing to do with how Obama has governed, and are instead related to his race and background.

Not arguing it. Its just a fact.

You can see it played out on these pages everyday.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

mm, it’s just more substance free, Faux News talking points.

Barry has governed like a moderate Republican.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

Democrats have been attacking stay at home moms for three days now

You would think they would be smarter than insult so many people

Apparently democrats are dumb and are he’ll bent on self destruction

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
12:17 pm

Tom — “I have this thing figured out. Since 90+% of black people vote for someone who looks like them”

Right. Two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears and a nose.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
12:18 pm

weetamoe — “the Dolchschlosse against McCain”

Do you mean Dolchstosselegende? If so, I’m not sure how you apply that to McCain in this case.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:18 pm

Democrats have been attacking stay at home moms for three days now.

Lie #3.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

Ivan

Really?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

And btw there are plenty of white men who are liberal in their beliefs

Most are outside of the South.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

Mom’s are miracle workers

And democrats think they don’t do anything

Sick

ralphie

April 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

And who is surprised by this news on the Community Agitator in Chief? There is a great montage of key talking points out there on Obama’s speeches over the past three years. He says the same thing over and over and over and over. It’s amazing to listen to.

Anyway, speaking of dividers, how about DNC/Obama adviser Hilary Rosen attacking Ann Romney for “never working a day in her life.” You know, I really wish you emotion-driven liberal democrat hysterics would make up your petulant minds on what you believe. Strong and powerful Republican women who are mothers like Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin are lambasted for putting their careers over being a mother. Now the Democrat Attack Machine (DAM) is going after Ann for NOT working.

You people are so pathetic.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

Brosephus gets a standing ovation for his 11:42a.

I’ll agree with that, Adam. I consider Brosephus to be a MAN, one who doesn’t shy away from an honest question. Can’t say that for many of the others on your political side of the fence.

Sit down, Bruno, and be quiet about race issues. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

What, and let you Racists Libs control the dialogue?? “Oh, you poor downtrodden black person, come here and let me “help” you. I’ll “save” you from those evil racist Cons.” Sorry, no dice. Brosephus himself said that he doesn’t need my help, that he’s capable of navigating his way through life without some paternalistic Whitey clearing the way for him.

The day you Racist Libs admit your paternalistic racism is the day we can truly have a discussion about race in this country.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

Jm

“Democrats have been attacking stay at home moms for three days now”

“Democrats’ is plural.

As in, ‘more than one.’

Who?

Recon 0311 2533

April 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

This upcoming election result will be determined by the condition of our economy. Recent unemployment numbers have jumped up again to 380,000 new filings. Gas prices are through the roof, small business continues to languish and Americans are not going to accept this continuing weak economic growth. Economic growth, so fragile that it may even be starting to reverse. The Obama administration has not been getting the job accomplished and typically failure to get the economic job accomplished results in a change of leadership.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

Well, America’s going to stay divided till we get a good White Christian in the White House. Then everybody can return to just hating the other party. That’s the plain truth and you might as well except it.

The good news is, they just done a study that proves beer makes you smarter. You can read all about it on the front page of the AJC. This means there’s hope for some of you librul dummys. I know you don’t want to have a IQ of a rock the rest of your life. So throw away your Little Red Book and go buy a six-pack or a case.

And that goes beyond just good news for bloggers. Just think of how much better our schools would be if the kids were served beer. Why not? Our students couldn’t get any worse. And even if they don’t get better on beer, they’ll feel alot better about being flunk-outs.

Beer—good for America, good for our bloggers, good for our students, and good for my 401k and job security. Have a good Thursday everybody.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
12:22 pm

Democrats: stay at home mom’s don’t work

What is wrong with crazy democrats?

carlosgvv

April 12th, 2012
12:22 pm

Brosephus – 11:42

I just have to wonder if you know what percentage you are black/white and if you have any native American or Aisan blood? If you are black/white, would you call yourself a European American as well as an African American?

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

Who?

That would be Jm’s imaginary brigade of wimmin-hatin’ Demoncrats.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

Out for lunch, but back in a while to expose more of you Racist Libs.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

Blacks shouldn’t feel inferior to whites ever.

When people of color were building pyramids and creating algebra most of Europe was illiterate, and kept there by the Catholic church.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

Ralphie — “Strong and powerful Republican women who are mothers like Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin are lambasted for putting their careers over being a mother.”

Spare me. I recall how the narrative went about Hillary Clinton in 1992 and later. I recall it very well, because I was out there perpetuating it with other conservatives.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

Bruno @ 12:20

While I don’t agree 100%, you make some good points.

With that said, I live on a two way street……… as well as liberals confronting racism….. there are many on the right who must do the same…………

Progress will not take place with just one group taking that step…………..

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

Out for lunch, but back in a while to expose more of you Racist Libs.

10-4 Thanks for the heads up.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

And democrats think they don’t do anything

Lie #4.

Paul, he’s just being his usual childish self, but calling out his lies makes for good fun.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

Did MIchell’s husband ever come out?

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

Mike Tyson ain’t no racist is he? Maybe he’s just C R A Z Y?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

Bruno — “The day you Racist Libs admit your paternalistic racism is the day we can truly have a discussion about race in this country.”

“Out for lunch, but back in a while to expose more of you Racist Libs.”

I’m so glad you’ve decided to approach the discussion in a calm, mature and respectful manner.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

Paul, Bro.TheyBoth Suck,JoeCool, JamVet – Boy, I sure have a lot of nice folks constantly on my tail. Perhaps if I had known about folks mentioned above, might have never wanted to served country or that protect and serve thing. Maybe I’ll just flip a coin. Remember President John Kennedy( Democrat), who said “Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country!” Have you folks changed your Democratic position.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

The Birdcage with my all time favorite Robin Williams was on the other night and I thought about Mr. Bachmann.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

The Democrat Attack Machine (DAM) is comprised of Ms. Rosen, by her little old lonesome?

Not much of a machine, ralphie.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
12:27 pm

Romney performed best among American voters aged 65 and older.

That would make sense.

Older people as a whole tend to be more racist.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:28 pm

Would someone please translate Tom’s 12:25 into English for me?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
12:28 pm

Today is National Grilled Cheese Day?

Combine that with National Bacon Day (which is any day with a name ending in “day”)

Gordon

April 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Adam @10:40

Gordon: Obama has shown ZERO leadership on the most important issue of our day: debt/deficit/unfunded liabilities. Someone else should get a chance based on that alone.

Adam: Good luck persuading people with that.

So it’s not about what the real problems are, it’s about the perception of what the real problems are. Now that’s what I call leadership. And that is why we need a change. And if Romney does the same thing, we’ll need another change. Until and unless people face the truth, they will get exactly what they deserve. And their children and grandchildren will get what they don’t deserve.

Now get back to your regularly scheduled talking points.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Brocephus,

I thought I would take your post at 11:42, change it around a little bit, and see what happens since you got so many compliments. In the first sentence all I did was change the word whites to blacks. Now lets see if I get the same congatulatory responses on my racial genetics as you got on yours. This should be an interesting social experiment.

My genetics actually make me feel superior to blacks. I have no fear of getting sickle cell anemia due to superior genetics. My skin does not scar as easily. And I have superior resistance to not only disease overall but especially to hypertension and diabetes which are much more chronic in the black community.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Thulsa: There is nothing to dispute there. They do. But what I am getting at is your generalized assertion that they feel threatened. Why would they?

A good question, and one worth exploring. They DO feel threatened, though. They continually say so. They talk about how their tax cuts are being threatened, how their very way of life is threatened by the mere existence of a party in opposition to their views. WHY? No clue. But what’s setlled, for sure, is that they DO feel threatened.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Thulsa: There is nothing to dispute there. They do. But what I am getting at is your generalized assertion that they feel threatened. Why would they?

A good question, and one worth exploring. They DO feel threatened, though. They continually say so. They talk about how their tax cuts are being threatened, how their very way of life is threatened by the mere existence of a party in opposition to their views. WHY? No clue. But what’s setlled, for sure, is that they DO feel threatened.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Finally found out how to double post…. oops!

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Tom

Thanks for your service, but you previous birther post, your pure BS yesterday and double down on the prosecutor being black is well BS…………….. You bring it……. I’m calling it out

But thanks again for your service……..

Sister Sarah

April 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

Because I don’t like to let facts get in the way. For those of you who live in BOOGEYWORLD and cannot seem to grasp the Black turnout for Obama (simply because he is “Black”), I think it is safe to say we can claim a lot of honorary “brothas” since 1968.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/

Why do I even waste my time?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

Thulsa: In the first sentence all I did was change the word whites to blacks. Now lets see if I get the same congatulatory responses on my racial genetics as you got on yours. This should be an interesting social experiment.

If you did that it would no longer be accurate.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:31 pm

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please,

But what about all of the Reagan Democrats?

Huge LOL.

I guess unlike the neocons, they figured out right away that trickle-down actually meant trickle-on…

http://www.moneyscience.com/pg/newsfeeds/moneyscience/item/250572/funny-and-then-we-told-them-the-wealth-would-trickle-down-httptco0blqcmqu

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:31 pm

Bruno: I consider Brosephus to be a MAN, one who doesn’t shy away from an honest question

So what does that say about your view of women?

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:31 pm

TD and Bro

Congrats to you both…………. While really not in agreement…
You stated your case and that is that

Becky

April 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

um-sister sarah-actually the article you cite DISPROVES your theory. Read it again.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

Gordon: So it’s not about what the real problems are, it’s about the perception of what the real problems are. Now that’s what I call leadership.

If true, then you can thank Occupy for their leadership in changing the conversation from all deficit all the time to income inequality. And you can thank the Republicans and Rush for changing the conversation from income inequality to whether or not birth control should be legal and/or covered under health insurance.

Real American

April 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

JamVet…”I guess unlike the neocons, they figured out right away that trickle-down actually meant trickle-on…”

I’m gonna have to use that one!

BeeJay

April 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

A lot, if not most, of a person’s opinion politically and toward (and against) a candidate is based on whether they choose to believe a candidate/party. Their starting point, politically, and their worldview contributes to that choice. There are diehard Democrats who will ONLY believe every single doggone little thing Obama says, even when it’s not true or is misleading. There are the reverse. And there are blacks who will ONLY believe every …. thing Obama says… and there are the reverse. And there are women who will………. This is a close-mindedness that is rampant in this country. And it enables Obama to be the big fat liar he is, because NOBODY who supports him because he’s Democrat and/or black and/or whatever is going to think he is lying. It’s really rather cruel and obnoxious for him to intentionally mislead the citizens he purports to lead. He knows darn well what he’s doing and he knows why. The non-supporters can only look on in horror.

Real American

April 12th, 2012
12:34 pm

Becky! sssshhhh….let Sister Sarah thinks what she wants to think, if she realizes what the article actually says, no telling what she’ll do.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

Tom

“Paul, Bro.TheyBoth Suck,JoeCool, JamVet – Boy, I sure have a lot of nice folks constantly on my tail. ”

That’s your second post of the day? So much for the topic.

BTW, you love it and you know it. Else why would you say such nutty stuff, not provide sources and keep talking about yourself?

BECKY!

That is a GREAT movie. I tend to post clips from it to answer questions from cons. Like when they say something about how they know how their economic theories are really going to work (this time) along comes the clip of Nathan Lane on stage rehearsing, holding a wand with a star and as he flicks it he says “fairy dust, fairy dust, fairy dust.”

Real American

April 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

BeeJay..that was…..surreal…….you really don’t see it huh?

Surreal.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
12:36 pm

BeeJay
April 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

And there are people who believe Fox News and Hannity no matter how much they lie and Romney no matter much he flip flops.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
12:36 pm

My genetics actually make me feel superior to blacks.

Really? Our ancestors lost their melanin while freezing their @$$es off. Why genetically superior people would move to the top of a damn glacier is beyond me. Idiots. :)

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:36 pm

So you’re not racist because of skin color. It just runs in your DNA. Got it.

No, you don’t “got it”. Racism requires that a person uses their position of power to inflict their idea of racial superiority on people they deem beneath them. The fact that I can use proven genetic fact to back my assertion of being superior to White men does not make me racist. The fact that you don’t even know the definition of racist or racism is evident in your post. Educate yourself if you plan on debating me. I won’t go light on you just because of your inherent ignorance.

Feral Heathen

April 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

Just more racist baloney from the media…longing for a race war.
Supported by the media, the president and the black community.
Sure hope all you lefties will be able to deal with all the death and destruction brought about by the folks you support.
Race War!…..let the fun begin…..Summer of Rage 2012…coming up next.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

Bruno: What, and let you Racists Libs control the dialogue??

So basically, you want to have a fight, even if you are wrong, just out of some desire to make sure that people you think of as “lib racists” are controlling the dialogue?

If we go back to your definition, what you’re basically saying is that no black person has any disadvantage in society AT ALL because of laws. What you miss in making that leap are some very key things, like enforcement, societal ingrained attitudes, and so on (not a complete list, btw).

The fact is that we won’t be post-racial just because laws look fair TO YOU. In fact, laws are being put on the books RIGHT NOW that disproportionately affect women, or black people, or poor people, etc etc. Even if you disagree with all of them (and based on past posts I know that to be false), denying the reality of the situation seems to be what you are doing, and you are calling people racist for recognizing the simple fact that actual racism still exists.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:40 pm

Joe Mama @ 12:25,

I think he speaks of the soft bigotry of low expectations, not holding everyone to the same level of accountability, and basically patronizing an entire race of people. If we really want to move towards a colorblind society then treat everyone the same- no better but no worse. But I suspect that its in the interest of liberal politicians to pander to black people by telling them that they are constantly discriminated against, that they need white help and patronage, and that their govt patronizers can more ably provide for them.

Its a much easier sell to tell people their problems are the fault of someone else or some boogeyman called racism then to look them in the eye and tell them that a lot of their problems are self inflicted such as rampant crime among black men 18-36 who are 2-3% of the population but account for over a third of all crime, a general disdain of academic excellence( acting white in the classroom), high out of wedlock birth rate- near 70%, and a hip hop culture that glorifies anti-social behavior and showing your ass in public(pull your pants up you damn effing fool). There is no amount of govt assistance or help that is going to cure these social ills. Only a sea change in cultural attitudes and values will do that.

Doomy calls it like it is and doesn’t give an Eff if the truth hurts some people’s feelings.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
12:40 pm

Funny how prior to Mittens becoming the main front runner, all the pundits on the RIGHT would run around and call Prez O and “elitist”, now they cant even use that anymore, with Mr. “Build Me a Car Elevator In My Home” Romney.

Bernie

April 12th, 2012
12:40 pm

Jay, this does not come as surprise at ALL to many in the African American community. America has always been divided by race since its very inception. Many of us scoffed at the statements shortly after 911 concerning the statements “We Are ALL Americans Now”. That was never true and only a fearful reaction to what had just occurred. Surprisingly, for the first time in America, African Americans saw for the very first time in America’s history real FEAR in the eyes of the average American. and knew that those statements were to be short lived and they were.

The only difference now is RACE as an issue it is talked about more openly and many are expressing their disatisfaction with the status quo and that is a good thing for America. We have all ignored this elephant in the room all of our lives, primarily due to the fact that we were not comfortable discussing it period. However in order for us to move forward as a Nation it must discussed,debated and talked about without fear of reprisal. Then and only then will we have moved the goal post on this sensitive issue.

As for the Republican Party through their own self righteousness have managed to enrage several sizable voting blocs, individually do not pose a threat but voting for one party in large numbers can deny them the WHITEHOUSE for years to come. This election will go down in History as a defeat worse than the defeat of Barry Goldwater.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:41 pm

BeeJay: Obama has lied and twisted the truth. The right, Mitt Romney especially, has done that kind of thing WAY MORE, and with goals that I find disgusting. In essence, the lesser of two evils in that context is Obama. And Obama doesn’t even deserve an “evil” tag for just how much LESS he lies and distorts than Romney and the right.

Obama practically doesn’t even have to lie for his goals, and that is what makes supporting Democrats this go around, and until Republicans get their act together on the truth, such a no brainer.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
12:42 pm

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:42 pm

RC: Beer—good for America, good for our bloggers, good for our students, and good for my 401k and job security. Have a good Thursday everybody.

Nominee for Post of the Day. AMEN!!!!!

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carlos: I just have to wonder if you know what percentage you are black/white and if you have any native American or Aisan blood? If you are black/white, would you call yourself a European American as well as an African American?

I don’t know the percentages, but I have Black, White, and Creek Indian in my blood. Honest to goodness, I simply call myself American. Most any application where I can do it, I check the “other” box and write American on the line. My family’s DNA has been on American soil since the late 1790’s which is probably far longer than many people living here now. If that doesn’t make me American, I don’t know what does.

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Tom: Perhaps if I had known about folks mentioned above, might have never wanted to served country or that protect and serve thing. Maybe I’ll just flip a coin.

Flip that coin all day until you pass out. When you come to, you can thank me for protecting your rights to do that. Better yet, you don’t have to thank me because I’d still do my job regardless to whether you thank me or not.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

“Why genetically superior people would move to the top of a damn glacier is beyond me. Idiots.”

You criticizing eskimos aquagirl? Not nice to criticize Indian or other minorities. You should know that

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

Real American, for you.

One of the baddest axemen in rock history…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wiYdUe36_Q

Jm

April 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

Paul. Who?

The mouthpiece for obama’s campaign advisor and former communications director

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
12:44 pm

“Obama has lied and twisted the truth. The right, Mitt Romney especially, has done that kind of thing WAY MORE”

You’re better than that Adam. You’re better than using “but but but your side does it more.”

But you compared an unborn baby to a cancerous tumor the other day so maybe not….

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:44 pm

My genetics actually make me feel superior to blacks. I have no fear of getting sickle cell anemia due to superior genetics. My skin does not scar as easily. And I have superior resistance to not only disease overall but especially to hypertension and diabetes which are much more chronic in the black community.

Amen!!! Nothing factually incorrect with that, so why would I or anybody else take offense to it.

JB

April 12th, 2012
12:44 pm

So the White House is celebrating the anniversary of Romney care today…………But not a peep the other day about the anniversary of Obamacare?? Hum……..that’s strange……Maybe he forgot…………….Or at least he hopes we do.

Boris Badnoff

April 12th, 2012
12:44 pm

Candidate The Messiah: I will reach across the isle, work with the other party, and end partisan divisiveness.

Emperor The Messiah: Bite me.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:44 pm

Well I’m half white and half Hispanic (Panamanian)

Not a damn one of you are superior to me as an individual nor am I superior to you…………..

End of the story from where I sit

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

The day you Racist Libs admit your paternalistic racism is the day we can truly have a discussion about race in this country.

Well all I knoes is that even before I popped out of my momma’s womb, I was askin myself, “why is it so dark in here. Is my daddy black?

Jm

April 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

Democrats don’t care about you unless you have a job

Given their penchant for job destruction, that will be a dwindling voter base

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

If anyone happens to be thinking about Darwin and natural selection right now, please be aware that the “survival of the fittest” is actually “survival of the species that is most adaptable to change,” which is one of the reasons I loved Brosephus’ 11:42a so much.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:46 pm

Aquagirl @ 12:36

That’s just wrong on so many levels!!!! Funny but wrong..

Bernie

April 12th, 2012
12:46 pm

Aquagirl @ 12:36 pm – “My genetics actually make me feel superior to blacks.”

This is a typical feeling that many African Americans and other minorities percieve as a real belief by many Americans across this country. This is one of the primary issues that goes to the very heart of RACE in America. Until this mindset is changed we will never be a Nation of ONE People. Ever!

Steve

April 12th, 2012
12:47 pm

I find it so amusing when a regressive poster here claims that only Republicans are white and educated. Try hanging out in the very educated Boston suburbs, or even in town Atlanta – we are white, educated, pay taxes, make good money and vote progressive.

Old timer

April 12th, 2012
12:47 pm

I am well educated, over 60, a retired professional, and I do not know one female who plans on. Opting for Obama…not one. Even my mom who voted for him last time will not vote democrat again. Some of these surveys are not asking the right people.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:47 pm

Peadawg: You’re better than that Adam. You’re better than using “but but but your side does it more.”

Not just more, a LOT more. So much more that it dwarfs the Obama campaign. And so much more obvious too in many cases. And the reasons for doing so are disgusting to me. Plenty of reasons to want to vote Obama again just in that alone.

I mean really, if you accept everyone lies, but that between two people one person lies about when they last took a shower and the other person lies about whether or not they killed someone, who are you going to trust more?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

Doom — “But I suspect that its in the interest of liberal politicians to pander to black people by telling them that they are constantly discriminated against, that they need white help and patronage, and that their govt patronizers can more ably provide for them.”

I don’t think people need to be told that they’re being discriminated against in order to *recognize* that they’re being discriminated against.

People aren’t stupid. Sooner or later, they figure out that/when/how they’re being f***ed, and not long after that, they figure out who it is that’s doing the f***ing.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

Why genetically superior people would move to the top of a damn glacier is beyond me.

Two words:

Spring.
Skiing.

/drive-by

AngryRedMarsWoman

April 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

“driving in a station wagon with kids and a dog”

Let us not forget that the dog was not in the station wagon, but rather was in a cage strapped to the roof crapping itself silly with fear at 55plus MPH. Pretty much tells me all that I need to know about Mittens…and Missus Mittens for allowing it to happen.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

“Democrats don’t care about you unless you have a job”

The last time a Republican cared about my rights I was a fetus…

Jm

April 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

Old timer

Ditto

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

JB: But not a peep the other day about the anniversary of Obamacare??

Well, I could see why you missed it if Fox didn’t report it.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

Jm

That’s one.

What happened to her?

And who are the others to make it plural?

mm

April 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

The bottom line is the old white racists in the GOP are afraid once they are in the minority, they will be treated like they treated the minorities under them. And they sure as hell don’t want that!

Becky

April 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

joe cool-actually your mother hadn’t even had sex yet according to Arizona law.

JB

April 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

Old Timer………….Same hear. Both my liberal sister in law and her husband, who voted for Barry last time, are not this time. They just don’t feel his REAL interest is getting the country back on track. They feel he’s got an agenda, and it’s not a good one………..And THEY ARE smart, well educated Libs.

Steve

April 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

Oldtimer and Jm – of you’re only hanging out with the old timers at the Golden Coral in Canton, then yeah – nobody is going to be voting for Obama.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

JB, is that the individual mandate healthcare plan originally championed by the Heritage Foundation, Orrin Hatch, Charles Grassley, Robert Bennett, Don Nickles, John Chafee, Christopher Bond, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney among many other cons?

Mouth, meet foot.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

Bernie

Aquagirl was quoting another person. Hence the words in italics. Those were not her words, and if I may guess, probably not her opinion either. The person she was quoting was using a flip idea of something I posted. What I posted was in response to a question that was asked of me. Just as race in this country, the underlying context of that quote was far more complex than what you perceived at that moment.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

Becky

April 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

Oh yeah, thats right…thanks for reminding me.

Steve

April 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

JB – most people I know wouldn’t vote for Romney either. So there. I’m rubber, you’re glue.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

The bottom line is the old white racists in the GOP are afraid once they are in the minority, they will be treated like they treated the minorities under them. And they sure as hell don’t want that!

Homophobia: The fear that gay males will treat you the way you treat women.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

JamVet @ 12:51

What you meant to say was that “they were for it before they were against it”……….

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

You criticizing eskimos aquagirl?

God, I went through the demeaning experience of using a smiley emoticon for nothing?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

JB, Old Timer: Here’s my anecdote: My dad, staunch Republican, is not voting for Mitt. He doesn’t like Mitt, and he voted for Bush and straight down the Republican ticket for decades.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

Homophobia: The fear that gay males will treat you the way you treat women.

That is it exactly! This is what drives the fear.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
10:17 am
White men telling everyone else how they should feel in 3…2…1….
___________________________________________________________________________

That already happened.

A White man wrote the article.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

dB @ 12:48

That’s why I enjoy talking to you. :lol:

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

Joe Mama,

I can’t think of another nation on earth that bends over backwards the way this country does to accomodate and help minorities. I think its just fostered a sense of paternalism, low expectations, and well intentioned govt programs which have made many people- not just blacks, nothing more than wards of the state. I’ve not seen many cases lately of wholesale institutionalized racism. Its not as much a bugaboo as it used to be and if anything we see quite a bit of reverse racism nowadays- particularly here in Atlanta and DeKalb county.

JB

April 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

mm………….From where i sit, I see many many African Americans who have done really well, and still doing pretty well……….. But, you know, they got that white thing going on. You know, Stayed out of trouble, got a college education, stayed off drugs, responsible, ambitious, hard working, not having 3,4 .5 kids by 20…………….You know, the white thing………LOL

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:55 pm

JB

Are you saying that those two people are a microcosm of the 60 plus million who voted for Obama?

Really?

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:56 pm

Aquagirl,

The emoticon didn’t go to waste. I got ya loud and clear. Just wanted to mess with ya.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
12:56 pm

God, I went through the demeaning experience of using a smiley emoticon for nothing?

That’s nothin’. Wait until you use an :roll: or an :lol:

PJ

April 12th, 2012
12:56 pm

Boy I must be really slow. I’ve voted Democrat all my adult life but have never been on the receiving end of a handout. Unless you count public offerings such as safe food and water, roads and bridges, police and fire dept. protection, public school education for my children, etc., etc… which my taxes have contributed to. I must really be dumb. So maybe I should turn to the Republican Party and get rid of all those pesky programs that eat up my tax dollars. I don’t know whether I could live with myself by continuing to voting with a party that so obviously turns it back on the needy in our society. How could I hurt the wealthy and privileged and sleep at night? How will I live with myself if I do harm to multi million dollar businesses? No the right thing for me to do is to vote Republican and see to it that the Rich keep getting Richer. Who need roads when private jets and yachts can get one most everywhere one wants to get to. Who need safe food and water, maybe we can go back to the days of food testers for the wealthy…that would also open up the job market and knock off some from getting Social Security at the same time. We won’t need police because every state will have every man for himself laws and duels to solve disputes. No need for fire dept., this will be every man for himself also. There will also be no need to educate children since all the really good jobs will be overseas anyway, no need to waste those resources. And while we at it let’s completely get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and all social programs, people live too long any way these days. In addition FEMA has to go, so what if your home and family is blown to Kingdom Come, pray on it. There I just rid our nation of debt and made it easier for the more deserving.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:57 pm

“But, you know, they got that white thing going on. You know, Stayed out of trouble, got a college education, stayed off drugs, responsible, ambitious, hard working, not having 3,4 .5 kids by 20…………….You know, the white thing………LOL”

Can you define that “white thing”?

Thanks

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
12:57 pm

That’s nothing.

I met a guy, who knew this other guy, whose sister-in-law’s brother’s uncle from a previous marriage said he would never vote for Obama.

I think he may have been distantly related to the kid at that Kroger who thought F. Stinkwich was weirder than batshiite…

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

“The bottom line is the old white racists in the GOP are afraid once they are in the minority”

There they go again. It never gets old.

mm

April 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

“I can’t think of another nation on earth that bends over backwards the way this country does to accomodate and help minorities”

BS. I rest my case.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

“The bottom line is the old white racists in the GOP are afraid once they are in the minority, they will be treated like they treated the minorities under them. And they sure as hell don’t want that!”

I [Michelle] just want to say to all the listeners on this phone call, that if you are having any doubt about getting suited, booted, and armed up for this race war that we’re in that has never ended, let me tell you somethin…the thing that’s about to happen these honkies, these crackers, these pigs, these people, these motherf*er…it has been long overdue.

What is that about racists again?

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

“The bottom line is the old white racists in the GOP are afraid once they are in the minority, they will be treated like they treated the minorities under them.”

I can’t wait until I get hiring preference or additional college admission points. Speak for yourself.

The Robes and Hoods Have Come Out Of The Closet

April 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

@MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am
“It appears the War on Women is for real suckers.”

Said by one who has no problem with the DNC advisor blasting non-working women.

Hilarious!

********************************************************

You crows may crow but the hens will deliver the goods for Obama.

Hilarious!

Jm

April 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

Paul. If rush, a non political advisor is the republican mouthpiece, and you guys claim republicans hate birth control blah blah blah

Then I can certainly say “democrats” when an actual democrat operative says stay at home moms don’t work

What is wrong with democrats

Are they insane?

mm

April 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

Jm

April 12th, 2012
1:01 pm

Bats come in many forms

But not as Shiite muslims

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
1:01 pm

But, you know, they got that white thing going on…. You know, the white thing

Excuse me, but why does doing those things have to be considered doing the “white thing”? Who ever said that Whites had exclusive rights on doing what is right and proper? Have you ever heard of the Greenwood District of Tulsa, OK?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa,_Oklahoma

Greenwood is a neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma. As one of the most successful and wealthiest African American communities in the United States during the early 20th Century, it was popularly known as America’s “Black Wall Street” until the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. The riot was one of the most devastating race riots in history and it destroyed the once thriving Greenwood community.

Ever hear of Granville T Woods? Elijah McCoy? Madame C. J. Walker? Louis Lattimer? Blacks have done what’s right far longer than you’ve been wasting oxygen. Giving life to the myth of “acting White” does nothing but fuel racial issues in the first place. The sooner you and others quit that sh*t, the sooner this country will be better for it.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:02 pm

You crows may crow but the hens will deliver the goods for Obama.

That is hilarious…

Late to the party

April 12th, 2012
1:02 pm

Funny all the BS about shifting demographics helping the left. The latest US census says Asians are the fastest growing racial group in the US. East Indians are coming on strong too. These people are coming here for opportunities and will not put up with entitlements going to so many moochers. Yea…more team members to help carry the ball for another 400 years.

mm

April 12th, 2012
1:02 pm

Based on the wingnut posts, the GOP talking point of the day is racism against whitey.

emo

April 12th, 2012
1:03 pm

Obama is polarizing? How dare he be black!

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
1:03 pm

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am
Stevie Ray: So does the President “own” the fact I have an awesome girlfriend that I started dating under his watch?
______________________________________________________________________________

Yes, because he increased the number of blowup dolls allowed to be imported from China.

Now you can have a girlfriend and an affair. :lol:

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

“Said by one who has no problem with the DNC advisor blasting non-working women”

And so begins the Democrats war on women with their criticism of Ann Romney because she chose to be a stay at home mom. Oh but the horror of being a stay at home mom!

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

TheyBothSuck@12:15 – You made a booboo! The special prosecutor is black(very light complexion), perhaps she had a black father and white mother? She is a GOP though, you are right about that. That makes you one out of two, you are at 50% correct today, not bad for a lib! Good job!!!

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

“Based on the wingnut posts, the GOP talking point of the day is racism against whitey.”

Against “whitey”? Do I smell a racist in our midst?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

Jm: when an actual democrat operative says stay at home moms don’t work

Except that’s not at all what she said.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
1:05 pm

Bernie, Aquagirl was quoting another person. Hence the words in italics.

Wait until Bernie meets Thulsa. It’ll be love at first sight.

Bernie had a sorta random freakout on me last night so maybe it’s just issues with previous water-breathers playing out. That happens with me all the time, I’m used to it.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
1:05 pm

I can’t wait until I get hiring preference or additional college admission points. Speak for yourself.

Hate to break it to you, but you’re not gonna get it. What you and others forget is that while you’re all about removing preferences that aid minorities now while you are in the majority, you are really removing the very protections you MAY need when you become the minority. Me personally, I say continue on your path as you go now. I am so looking forward to the day that those like you realize they killed the very protections that they might need themselves. Unintended consequences of short term thinking…

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
1:05 pm

Based on the wingnut posts, the GOP talking point of the day is racism against whitey.

I know. Whites are so oppressed. :roll:

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
1:06 pm

Doom — “I can’t think of another nation on earth that bends over backwards the way this country does to accomodate and help minorities. I think its just fostered a sense of paternalism, low expectations, and well intentioned govt programs which have made many people- not just blacks, nothing more than wards of the state. I’ve not seen many cases lately of wholesale institutionalized racism. Its not as much a bugaboo as it used to be and if anything we see quite a bit of reverse racism nowadays- particularly here in Atlanta and DeKalb county.”

I don’t think that institutionalized racism is widespread — certainly not as widespread as it was when I was growing up — but it’s still present, and if you’re not really in a position to be affected by it, you will often miss it. I admit that I used to think it was a thing of the past — until the current missus and I got together in 1994 (as you know, she is Hispanic). After she moved here, we went to go vote together, and the poll workers gave her crap about where she was from (she goes “I’m from Smyrna — doesn’t it say that on my voter registration?”) and what kind of surname she had (she goes “it’s my dad’s surname, can I go vote now?”)

A couple of years later, we also got a very nice letter of apology from a county sheriff in FL after she was pulled over without reason and browbeaten about letting the cops search her vehicle. The police maintained that there was an alert out on a woman meeting her description, driving a vehicle meeting her description, and they wanted to search her car for drugs. The missus goes “fine, if I’m a suspect, then you can arrest me and search all you want. If I’m not a suspect, get a warrant.”

After a couple of hours and a roadside conference with a guy in a suit she believes was the county DA, the cops turned her loose without arrest or a search. However, as it turned out, the cops were just trolling that day, there was no alert, and the sheriff apologized in a letter for her having been detained. We suspect he apologized in order to forestall a lawsuit.

Again, I don’t think that institutionalized racism is widespread, but only the naive think it’s completely gone or so weak and dispersed as to be irrelevant.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
1:06 pm

Jm: See, Rush made up a lie that Sandra Fluke said something she didn’t say, and now you’re attacking a Democratic strategist for something she didn’t say, and you also attack Obama for things that aren’t actually in his record, then claiming he can’t run on his record simply because you have a false idea of what his record is. So, basically, you are misinformed and/or lying about Democrats, and you try to create false equivalence out of that.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:06 pm

Yep, Rosen slaps the cons down some more and all they can do is play their silly little faux outrage games and lie through their teeth about what that working mom said.

Hysterical…

Yet another lost battle in the GOP’s War on Women…

Ridiculous

April 12th, 2012
1:07 pm

First of all I would not trust any poll that ABC, NBC, CBS, or CNN does as it relate to Obama. You’ve got to be kidding me???

The Hispanic community is outraged at Obama over the Georgia Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin tragedies.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:07 pm

“And so begins the Democrats war on women with their criticism of Ann Romney because she chose to be a stay at home mom. Oh but the horror of being a stay at home mom!”

Well, if she is a conservative stay-at-home mom, then she should just be quiet and stay barefoot and pregnant I guess. If she’s Palin or Bachmann, she can only be a loon (for what college educated woman is conservative?).

Adam

April 12th, 2012
1:08 pm

JHM: Exactly. And now that you have said that, certain elements of the right now think they can call you racist.

Seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
1:08 pm

“…which my taxes have contributed to…”

So using your logic, only democrats pay taxes???

“…public school education for my children,…”

Yes, our public edcuation in this country is top notch. The dems solution on this: (1) Let’s continue to dump more & more money on & (2) Let’s create a DOE to ensure we continue to dominate.

“No the right thing for me to do is to vote Republican and see to it that the Rich keep getting Richer…”

Wow. I thought all this time that Gates, Buffett, Ellison, Soros, Zuckerberg, etc., etc were democrats. Thanks for the clarification.

“And while we at it let’s completely get rid of Social Security…”

Actually not a bad idea there. Simple math (which is foreign to libs) would blatantly inform us that you pay alot more into the system that you will ever see – aka Ponzi scheme.

The Robes and Hoods Have Come Out Of The Closet

April 12th, 2012
1:09 pm

@Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:54 pm
Joe Mama,

I can’t think of another nation on earth that bends over backwards the way this country does to accomodate and help minorities. I think its just fostered a sense of paternalism, low expectations, and well intentioned govt programs which have made many people- not just blacks, nothing more than wards of the state. I’ve not seen many cases lately of wholesale institutionalized racism. Its not as much a bugaboo as it used to be and if anything we see quite a bit of reverse racism nowadays- particularly here in Atlanta and DeKalb county.

*******************************************************************************

Accomodate and help minorities?

Who gets welfare?

Despite prevailing stereotype, Whites, not Blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars.

SAY the word “welfare” and immediately the image of the lazy Black wellare queen who breeds for profit surfaces in the minds of those who have come to believe the hideous stereotype.

It is a myth that persists despite government figures and authoritative studies showing that WHITES overwhelmingly reap the lion’s share of the dole.

The image of the Black “welfare cheat,” public aid advocates say, is based on MISCONCEPTIONS about poor minorities. The notion, they say, comes from society’s resentment of seemingly ablebodied people getting paid for doing nothing.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
1:09 pm

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:43 am
That’s what Obama wants. Obama knows the stupid people far outnumber the people with some sense. Thus, if he can get them, he’ll win re-election.

Too bad the stupid people (i.e. low effort thinkers) lean conservative: http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract?rss=1
___________________________________________________________________________

And you wonder why people call you “far Left”

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
1:10 pm

More divided?

I imagine we’ll see the split in November….65/35

mm

April 12th, 2012
1:10 pm

Not only do the cons treat women like crap. They also think they aer stupid.

The cons are now trying to claim the Dems are waging the war on women.

But women know the cons:

Voted against equal pay for women.
Have tried to shut down Planned Parenthood.
Have legalized forced rape by object to get abortions.
Have tried to deny access to birth control.

commoncents

April 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

Brosephus A 1:05: “Hate to break it to you, but you’re not gonna get it. What you and others forget is that while you’re all about removing preferences that aid minorities now while you are in the majority, you are really removing the very protections you MAY need when you become the minority. Me personally, I say continue on your path as you go now. I am so looking forward to the day that those like you realize they killed the very protections that they might need themselves. Unintended consequences of short term thinking…”

That’s just great… Are you saying my future kids will one day have to TRY to succeed? That’s racist!!

getalife

April 12th, 2012
1:12 pm

The majority will reelect our President.

The rest is just noise.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:12 pm

“Yep, Rosen slaps the cons down some more and all they can do is play their silly little faux outrage games and lie through their teeth about what that working mom said.”

Funny how even David Axelrod called the remarks “inappropriate and offensive” but they are apparently fine by you. Rosen’s wording was stupid for an educated TV commentator – that Ann had not “worked a day in her life’. It was condescending and patently false. And it was an unexpected gift to Romney’s campaign. Thanks Ms. Rosen!

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
1:13 pm

Read thru these comments on FOX news website, and you will see the divisiveness and racism that lurks to many of the Caucasian persuasion. Its sad, yet a reality of how far we still need to go in America. Some of these comments are so crazy, that i cant understand such hatred.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/11/zimmerman-to-be-charged-by-florida-special-prosecutor-report-says/#comment

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
1:13 pm

Yes, our public edcuation in this country is top notch. The dems solution on this: (1) Let’s continue to dump more & more money on & (2) Let’s create a DOE to ensure we continue to dominate.

Care to look up numbers that show how many school systems are controlled by Left leaning pols vs Right leaning pols? I doubt very seriously that Gwinnett County or Cobb County School systems are controlled by Democratic leaning people.

That’s why I’m glad to not be associated with either party as my solution to correcting our educational difficulties would begin by removing all politics and politicians from the educational system to the greatest extent possible.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
1:14 pm

Jm

What Adam said at 1:06

See, there’s this fallacy of taking a singular event and using it to generalize across an entire group.

But I don’t suppose you’d be interested….

Jm

April 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

Democrats demean stay at home moms

Pathetic

“she hasn’t worked a day in her life”. Said the democrat

Sick

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
1:16 pm

Jay

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am
As a rule, the “You’re too stupid to know I’m right” argument has very little market appeal. But hey, go with it if that’s all you’ve got.
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Was that directed at Adam?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:43 am

Too bad the stupid people (i.e. low effort thinkers) lean conservative:

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
1:16 pm

“she hasn’t worked a day in her life”

She hasn’t…. hard to claim the whole “stay at home mom” thing when you have Maids and Housekeepers……..

Obama is over

April 12th, 2012
1:18 pm

James Taranto in the WSJ’s “Best of the Web” blog today cites “The Weekly Standard’s” Jay Cost questioning the validity of the underlying sample pool in the ABC/Post poll you discuss today. The survey sample pool represented party lines as follows: 34% Democrat, 23% Republican, and 34% Independent. Four of the last five elections have broken down roughly 50/50 between parties. So, an opinion poll with an 11 point Democratic advantage does not reflect reality in most likely voters. The really bad news for Obama is that a 51 to 44 overall lead in your pool is pretty marginal when the survey sample is +11 Democratic.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:19 pm

“She hasn’t…. hard to claim the whole “stay at home mom” thing when you have Maids and Housekeepers……..”

And neither have you, Snoopy. Seen the Red Baron lately?

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 12th, 2012
1:19 pm

Ok, a serious question from me. How do all of you fine folks I mentioned previously,have all this time during the day to blog constantly? Ok, I’m in my mid 60’s, retired after working over 45 yrs and have time on my hands. Are you folks also retired, stay at home dads or moms, on all-day lunch breaks or just sneak around during the day to get on the internet?? Really would like to know? Do you work for govt, almost forgot to ask? Thanks for serious answers?

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
1:20 pm

“Hate to break it to you, but you’re not gonna get it. What you and others forget is that while you’re all about removing preferences that aid minorities now while you are in the majority, you are really removing the very protections you MAY need when you become the minority.”

Keep your head in the sand clown, those laws are alive & well & will multiple over time. BTW: Being a vet, I already get “additional points” chief but once again – way to give it “that old college try”

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm

AngryRedMarsWoman

April 12th, 2012
1:20 pm

“And so begins the Democrats war on women with their criticism of Ann Romney because she chose to be a stay at home mom. Oh but the horror of being a stay at home mom!”

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but while I disagree with the way in which the speaker chose to make her point I don’t think the point is that SAHMs are “bad” – I think the point was that Mrs. Romney shouldn’t be touted by her husband as being in touch with today’s American women. She was blessed to have the choice to stay home and I applaud her for doing it, but the vast majority of women/mothers don’t feel like they have a choice – and for many it is really a matter of survival. Heck, I wouldn’t even claim to be totally in touch with most of today’s working moms because I am the primary breadwinner and my salary puts my family in the top 2-3% – thus we don’t have to struggle financially. But in order to provide a nice life for my family I had to return to work only a few days after my son was born and since then it has been a real challenge to balance it all. The soundbite is unfortunate, but I wish everyone would stop the mad rush to attack the speaker and instead consider the true message – just to keep their heads above water most Americans, especially working single moms, are carrying a heck of a burden nowadays that nobody in the political elite understands or really gives a crap about – not the Romneys, Gingriches, Pelosis or Obamas.

mm

April 12th, 2012
1:20 pm

Joe Cool,

Those comments look eerily familiar to the ones on this blog. What do you expect from someone who watches Fox News?

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:21 pm

“So, an opinion poll with an 11 point Democratic advantage does not reflect reality in most likely voters.”

Wait…you’re not saying people in the media are trying to skew the truth, are you? That would be a ridiculous assertion for there has never been any proof of that.

commoncents

April 12th, 2012
1:21 pm

Joe Cool- Downtown Thug @ 1:13: “Read thru these comments on FOX news website, and you will see the divisiveness and racism that lurks to many of the Caucasian persuasion. Its sad, yet a reality of how far we still need to go in America. Some of these comments are so crazy, that i cant understand such hatred”

Don’t want to burst your bubble, but not all blog comments are made by actual site supporters. Ever hear of “protestors” who are in fact members of the opposing side, but planted to make the other side look bad? I think there are even a few here… such as TEA PART MEBER(sic)

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:21 pm

Keep grabbing you desperate straw-women, cons. LOL.

Oh my, you should read the tweets and the hate mail I got after that. The accusations were flying. I don’t know what it means to be a mom (I have 2 children). I obviously don’t value the work that a mother does and how hard it is (the hardest job I have ever had); and I absolutely hate anyone who doesn’t have the same views as I do (hate is a strong word).

Spare me the faux anger from the right who view the issue of women’s rights and advancement as a way to score political points. When it comes to supporting policies that would actually help women, their silence has been deafening. I don’t need lectures from the RNC on supporting women and fighting to increase opportunities for women; I’ve been doing it my whole career.

If they want to attack me and distract the public’s attention away from their nominee’s woeful record, it just demonstrates how much they just don’t get it.

My favorite tweet was from someone who said that Republicans like Ann Romney so much more than Mitt that by attacking her (which I didn’t), I got people to defend him in a way they never would. That last one, I can actually understand.

Now let’s be clear on one thing. I have no judgments about women who work outside the home vs. women who work in the home raising a family. I admire women who can stay home and raise their kids full time. I even envy them sometimes. It is a wonderful luxury to have the choice. But let’s stipulate that it is NOT a choice that most women have in America today.

Why does this even matter? It matters purely because Mitt Romney put the issue of his wife’s views squarely on the table.

Women voters in America: Obama – 57%, Romney – 38%

Love it.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
1:22 pm

Tom

Self employed. I have two monitors, keep this on one, work on the other. Work early morning before anyone’s posting here, if I spend a lot of time here I work late and hit it on weekends.

Kids are grown, no demands there.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
1:24 pm

Tom – work out of the house. I have a Linux server/workstation for my work & a personal PC for fun/research. I usually start my day real early 0500 & end late 1800. My employer does not have to micro-manage me. I get the job done & make him some serious cash.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
1:25 pm

Rosen – opened her mouth before engaging her brain.

Except for the misfits and cranks, we all know that AND that she does not speak for all democrats.

Housewivery is hard work and if done well can make a substantial contribution to the success of the husband and the entire family.

Been there done that.

What’s is it you guys say when Newt or Rick or Mitt or Hermann or
the other Rick or one of their spokepeople do the same thing?

Would it be “Must be a slow news day”?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
1:26 pm

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
11:17 am
ANY Racism– A result of Low Effort Thinking.
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Fixed that for ya TP. :evil:

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:26 pm

Tom

what was the whole point of accentuating her race in the 1st place?

You were the clown that brought it up

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

“The soundbite is unfortunate, but I wish everyone would stop the mad rush to attack the speaker and instead consider the true message – just to keep their heads above water most Americans, especially working single moms, are carrying a heck of a burden nowadays that nobody in the political elite understands or really gives a crap about – not the Romneys, Gingriches, Pelosis or Obamas.”

I heard the entire context in which she uttered the “soundbite” and while I agree she was ostensibly trying to communicate something else, the words she used in my opinion imply a certain condescension towards such mothers (I mean it’s a cliched statement which she, as a woman, should be sensitive to and not parrot) and ironically show that Ms. Rosen herself (who prseumes to judge Ann Romney) is herself out of touch with a percentage of moms.

BuckeyeInGa

April 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

I disagree with people going after Ann Romney. She’s not running BUT a can of worms was opened when people when after Michelle Obama.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:28 pm

Self employed. Check.

I have two monitors, keep this on one, work on the other. Check. (Actually three monitors including the laptop.)

Work early morning before anyone’s posting here, if I spend a lot of time here I work late and hit it on weekends. Check. (Work anytime from midnight to midnight. Sunday through Sunday, depending on the situation.)

Kids are grown, no demands there. Check.

Making note of childsih swipes about government employees? Check.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:29 pm

Tom

Admit it…….. You wanted to imply something and make innuendos by accentuating her race and politics, yet you will not come out and just say what is right beneath the surface

Don’t be scared….. Say what you is on your mind

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
1:29 pm

@mm- true, but my goodness at level of hatred. How does one live their life that way.

@commoncents-I know, but my $’s on the fact that majority are regulars, waiting to vent.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
1:30 pm

I would rather vote for a spoiled brat whose wife is a stay home mom than a clown whose wife was never proud of this country until her idiot husband was nominated for president.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 12th, 2012
1:30 pm

Paul – Thanks, in some ways we are alike but very different in others. Time to take a break and hit the gym, got to stay strong, in case someone wants to beat my butt later on.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
1:31 pm

“Based on the wingnut posts, the GOP talking point of the day is racism against whitey.”-mm

Sez the poster who said this a few minutes earlier

mm

April 12th, 2012
12:49 pm
“The bottom line is the old white racists in the GOP are afraid once they are in the minority, they will be treated like they treated the minorities under them”.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
1:32 pm

Tom

Law enforcement. Great multitasker with the ability to cloak my work schedule to not tip when I’m off or at work. If somebody decides to come knocking down the door at the wrong time, then I know I’ve been successful. ;)

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Keep your head in the sand clown, those laws are alive & well & will multiple over time.

Nah, I’m not the clown here. As is the usual case around here, name calling is the typical raising of the white flag when you know you’ve lost the argument. Those laws are not multiplying over time, and they are increasingly coming under attack from those on the political Right. I’m young enough that I may be able to get a laugh in when the tide turns. I’ll still work to protect the rights of all Americans then, even though I’ll be laughing at the change in circumstances of some of those who may need the protection the most. :)

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
1:33 pm

That Black Guy,

I hope you took the time to fix that post that mine was aimed at. Just look for the one that has a definition of “Lib Racism” in it. Thanks so much in advance for your unbiased response.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:33 pm

Tom

As on of our blogging “birthers”, how is that movement going for you these days?

Deputy Fife in Phoenix come up with any more clues?

RB from Gwinnett

April 12th, 2012
1:33 pm

Geeez… Another poll from Bookman showing how everybody loves Obama so you should too! Give it a rest already.

I guess calling political opponents your “enemies” doesn’t bring people together after all.

And Bookman, the ONLY people claiming the reason people don’t like Obama in any significant numbers are blacks and stooges like you and your sheep here. Sure, there are a handful of actual racicts you can find to quote, but none of them are relevant figures. But you just keep calling us all racist so you can keep your voting block happy even though your policies continue to make them slaves of the government. Tell me, Jay, how many years do you have to collect government benefits before you make it to the middle class?

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 12th, 2012
1:34 pm

TheyBothSuck – Maybe you should take a break and relieve some of your stress. Would invite you to gym but you would take offensive to that also?

AngryRedMarsWoman

April 12th, 2012
1:34 pm

“the words she used in my opinion imply a certain condescension towards such mothers (I mean it’s a cliched statement which she, as a woman, should be sensitive to and not parrot) and ironically show that Ms. Rosen herself (who prseumes to judge Ann Romney) is herself out of touch with a percentage of moms.”

I do not disagree with you. I think her statement was inappropriate…especially if she did truly mean it how she said it. I hope, however, that her true intention was to put some more light on the financial struggles of all Americans, including working moms…..financial struggles about which the political elite seem to have no clue. Mrs. Romney has a great looking family. They seem like wonderful kids and grandkids. I applaud the job she did raising her children. I enjoy my career and am pretty sure I would have chosen to work even if I could have stayed home…but I never lose sight of the fact that there are a lot of moms out there, especially single ones, who have no choice but to work long hours for crappy pay to raise the next generation of Americans. I don’t mean to sound sappy…..

Joe

April 12th, 2012
1:36 pm

I think it is graphs like the one in this article that shows what Democrats/liberals REALLY mean when they say “diversity is our greatest strength”.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 12th, 2012
1:37 pm

TheyBothSuck@1:33 Last comment before break. I am not a “birther”, I do believe Pres born in USA, he just likes to visit a lot of foreign countries.Nothing wrong with that I guess.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
1:39 pm

Tom

When you return -

If you structure your arguments with “My opinion is” followed by “supporting points” and when necessary “citations 1,2,3″ our interaction will likely be along the lines of “have you thought of it from this angle?” or “but since that event the following factors have come into play.”

Or, if you like to just make general comments I’ll continue to ask ’source?” or “based on what?” or “what about data that shows…”?

If you keep on with the broad brush categorizations and an inability to say ‘boy, I really blew it with that post” we’ll never get there -

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:40 pm

Wow, Miltie just called the former governor of Massachusetts a spoiled brat?!

That’s a bit harsh.

It looks like the fallout from the Santorum suspension is getting serious…

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:40 pm

Tom
Where do you live?…….. I’m white and Hispanic male that leans left if you want to accentuate that

Let me know when you would like me to join you

Work from home……… most of the time

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:42 pm

“Geeez… Another poll from Bookman showing how everybody loves Obama so you should too! Give it a rest already.”

They love him because they think he was a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago (which he was not – only a senior lecturer) and because he has said in the State of the Union Address, that “We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal.” (though that is actually in the Declaration of Independence).

Mr_B

April 12th, 2012
1:42 pm

” 34% Democrat, 23% Republican, and 34% Independent.”

Just about in line with the way that American voters identify themselves.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
1:42 pm

Despite prevailing stereotype, Whites, not Blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars.

The Robes and Hoods Have Come Out Of The Closet,

You need some help with your analytical skills. The last stats I saw whites account for 38% of the welfare rolls, blacks 37%, Hispanics 20%, etc. So there are more whites on welfare in absolute terms. But there are also 6 1/2 times as many whites as blacks so as a proportion or percentage of their population there are substantially more blacks on welfare. You never did take a statistics course did you?

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:43 pm

Tom

And no offense taking from you running from your BS yesterday

I figured as much from several of your previous post that you are more hyperbole, talking points and not much substance

have a great workout and awesome day

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:44 pm

I’m actually kind of miffed at Ms. Rosen.

What she said about Ms. Romney was certainly worse than calling her a slut and a prostitute, and now instead of the score being 222 – 0, it is 222 – 2.

There goes the shutout.

Hey, maybe Ann Romney was just being used as a pathetic ploy and a plant! Yeah, that’s it…

Maybe the play will be reviewed!

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:46 pm

Tom

No problem on the “birther” deal………….. Maybe you were joking when YOU posted about it awhile back

Peace

Ira in East Lake

April 12th, 2012
1:46 pm

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/773/fewer-voters-identify-as-republicans

This is why more registered Dems are polled than Repubs.

Deal with it.

Joseph

April 12th, 2012
1:46 pm

What do you expect Jay? Obama’s rhetoric at every single campaign stop is about divide… His handlers have come to conclusion that he can’t possibly run on his record so he must use scare tactics. Telling whoppers like Republicans have a war on women and hate minorities and lonely look out for the rich… This kind of crap will play out by November. People who inform themselves know better…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
1:46 pm

“…which my taxes have contributed to…”

So using your logic, only democrats pay taxes???

No, read it again.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:47 pm

“”34% Democrat, 23% Republican, and 34% Independent. Just about in line with the way that American voters identify themselves.”

I think that would be incorrect according to the 10 second search I just did. Have you heard of Google?

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
1:48 pm

Doom

“Despite prevailing stereotype, Whites, not Blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars.”

vs

“as a proportion or percentage of their population there are substantially more blacks on welfare.”

If you can’t see the difference, then let me help. You are talking about something completely different than what you responded to. You even acknowledged as much when you stated: “So there are more whites on welfare in absolute terms. “ Seems like you’re picking a fight just for the sake of pushing an ideological point.

Ira in East Lake

April 12th, 2012
1:49 pm

Towncrier – link please

RB from Gwinnett

April 12th, 2012
1:49 pm

TD, these are the same idiots who think Buffett’s secretary pays more in taxes than he does. Math ain’t exactly their strong suit.

Nether is honesty, reason, or morality come to think of it.

Joseph

April 12th, 2012
1:50 pm

Mr_B:

If you figures are correct then why do Republicans control so many state legislatures and Governorships???

Adam

April 12th, 2012
1:50 pm

That’s what Obama wants. Obama knows the stupid people far outnumber the people with some sense. Thus, if he can get them, he’ll win re-election.

Too bad the stupid people (i.e. low effort thinkers) lean conservative: http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract?rss=1
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And you wonder why people call you “far Left”

Yes, my satirical and sarcastic response to one who calls the left base stupid definitely puts me in the “far left” camp. SO glad you caught that.

See, that last sentence was sarcasm.

My statement was meant to nullify the argument that all stupid people are on the left, rather than categorically state that the opposite is true. I suppose I can now claim your hurt response means you are of the “far right.”

Adam

April 12th, 2012
1:51 pm

RB: TD, these are the same idiots who think Buffett’s secretary pays more in taxes than he does. Math ain’t exactly their strong suit.

Are you calling Ronald Reagan stupid? Because he made exactly the same case.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:51 pm

For Tom when he gets back

Your welcome

http://www.angelacorey.com/sections/information/corey_family.php

But keep HOPE ALIVE

PJ

April 12th, 2012
1:52 pm

Thanks for your input and support. It’s one of the reasons I don’t understand why the Republican position isn’t catching on more with women and minorities and wrong thinking White men. They always seem to vote against their own interests. We need to go back to the 50’s (1850’s) when women knew their place. When even if their husbands or fathers abused them there would be no recourse and their feelings and wants meant nothing to society in general. When women had babies every year whether they wanted to or not. When there was no bothersome minimum wage, child or other labor laws to keep businesses from making ungodly profits. When only a few select could vote. When minorities got off the side walk when White men passed and many were enslaved. When all political office holders were White men of privilege (the poor and underclass need not apply). Why with our way of thinking at least half the men who blog here and none of the women could voice an opinion. Oh the nostalgia. Who needs progress?

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:53 pm

Joseph

April 12th, 2012
1:53 pm

Hwo bout that Hillary Rosen??? Nice try on damage control Jay but one of Obuma’s handlers stepped in it….

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:53 pm

What???

A man who makes $300,000,000 per year pays more in taxes than his secretary who makes $60,000 per year???

Really???

Thanks, RB! I never knew that!

(Where’s Bro’s face palm?)

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
1:54 pm

If the Republican Party is the party of middle aged white men is it fair to say the Democratic Party is the party of all aged African Americans?

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
1:54 pm

“People who inform themselves know better…”

How many times was Bush elected?

I can see once, but……………

ken

April 12th, 2012
1:54 pm

Democratic party is SCUM. My Mother , like Ann Romney, stayed home and raised me and my sisters and we are better off for her WORK raising us and giving her values. Work, in the work place would have been the EASY way out. THANKS MOM

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
1:56 pm

“is it fair to say the Democratic Party is the party of all aged African Americans?”

Of course.

And most American Jews.

And most American women.

And most American Asians.

And most American Latinos.

And most American youth.

And…

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
1:57 pm

“If the Republican Party is the party of middle aged white men is it fair to say the Democratic Party is the party of all aged African Americans?”

Absolutely NOT, as that would be racist.

getalife

April 12th, 2012
1:57 pm

Hillary made the mistake of telling the truth.

One day the truth will not be attacked.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
1:59 pm

Of course.

And most American Jews.

And most American women.

And most American Asians.

And most American Latinos.

And most American youth.

If the above statement was true why are the elections so close? Even if Obama wins it will be an extremely close race so the above statement is of course a lie…

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
1:59 pm

Brocephus,

Maybe you need to go back and read the entirety of his post. His point was that whites “overwhelmingly” use up the majority of public assistance dollars. 38 to 37% doesn’t back up his claim. And as I pointed out if he can’t understand that the reason there are slightly more whites on welfare is because there are 6 times more whites overall than he doesn’t need to be posting stats to try and make a racial point. And no. I’m not talking about something completely different. I’m simply schooling him as to the proper use of statistical analysis.

And the idea that welfare queens are automatically black is his assertion and stereotype- not mine. Personally when I think of welfare queens I think of some of the WHITE people that my girlfriend knows out here in the sticks that are perfectly happy to live off welfare.

Joseph

April 12th, 2012
2:00 pm

They BOTH suck:

And alternative was Gore and Kerry… Enough said….

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:01 pm

Adam

April 12th, 2012
1:51 pm

RB: TD, these are the same idiots who think Buffett’s secretary pays more in taxes than he does. Math ain’t exactly their strong suit.

“Are you calling Ronald Reagan stupid? Because he made exactly the same case”- Adam

Adam,

Didn’t Reagan lower both high marginal tax rates and the capital gains tax? If so then that directly contradicts the point you are trying to make about Reagan. .

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:01 pm

“If the above statement was true why are the elections so close? Even if Obama wins it will be an extremely close race so the above statement is of course a lie…”

No, no, no. JV never lies, don’t you know? There is not a mean or dishonest bone in his body. It’s just that he was educated in a less-than-stellar public school and the math instruction wasn’t so great…

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:01 pm

“If the above statement was true”

IF???

Do you read the same newspapers as Sarah Palin?

Old Physics Teacher

April 12th, 2012
2:01 pm

I’m in that old, white male sub group. I voted for Nixon AND Regan – both times – and would vote for Nixon AGAIN if he were running.

That being said to define my political leanings. All I have to say about the current Republican Party are two things: to paraphrase Regan, “I didn’t leave the Republican Party; they left me!” and how poor is the Republican brand that they can’t beat a black man, with a Muslim name, who was raised by his grandmama, because his mama AND papa BOTH ran off and left him, and hasn’t fulfilled ANY campaign promises? ISN’T THERE ANYBODY THAT FITS UNDER THE REPUBLICAN BANNER WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS A LEVEL-PLAYING GROUND AND WILL STAY OUT OF MY BEDROOM AND MY PRIVATE LIFE? Darn the bunch of sacrilegious, sanctimonious, corporate raider-loving, noisy busybodies living and passing laws under the Republican banner! Regan himself would turn into a Libertarian while rolling over in his grave! And don’t any of you guys try to talk me into voting for the Libertarian Party. Every vote that goes to them might as well go to those nosy Faux-Republicans.

getalife

April 12th, 2012
2:02 pm

ken,

Your mother married a millionaire ?

Joseph

April 12th, 2012
2:02 pm

Woodstock Mike:

I totally agree.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:02 pm

Poor William, he too is factually challenged.

Too funny…

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:03 pm

“Personally when I think of welfare queens I think of some of the WHITE people that my girlfriend knows out here in the sticks that are perfectly happy to live off welfare.”

Are they in my trailer park? Do I know them???

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:03 pm

MiltonMan – “I would rather vote for a spoiled brat”

What, you didn’t get to vote for GW when he ran?

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
2:03 pm

JamVet-

So are you saying half of the American voters are middle aged white men and all of them vote Republican? LOL

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

RB from Gwinnett

April 12th, 2012
1:49 pm

TD, these are the same idiots who think Buffett’s secretary pays more in taxes than he does. Math ain’t exactly their strong suit.

Nether is honesty, reason, or morality come to think of it.

RB,

So true. How President Obama can sit there and blatantly lie about this topic and not be called out on it is beyond me.

Buffett and his secretary both pay the same tax rate on capital gains. And on income taxes they both pay either the same rate since she apparently makes an estimated 200k or more or he pays a higher overall rate on his income taxes.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

Old Physics Teacher, hysterical. Apparently Elmer Fudd is their answer.

OK, Willie and Mike, show me where the GOP won all of those demographics in the past five presidential elections and I’ll believe you.

Chortle…

ulardg

April 12th, 2012
2:05 pm

Republican Party is becoming the party of middle-aged white men – good point jay, except you are 50 years too late for this to be a new or original claim by the dem party.

bookman parrot

April 12th, 2012
2:05 pm

notice how jay chose the word “accuse” to represent the side he doesn’t like and “argue” to the side he supports. just an observation.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:05 pm

“So are you saying half of the American voters are middle aged white men and all of them vote Republican? LOL”

No, he is making a more-hill into a mountain – that’s the funny math I was talking about.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

Towncrier,

You just might. One of them lives in a trailer and her aunt lives in public housing.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

If most successful middle aged white men vote Republican I know I’m making the right choice, thanks for pointing that out Jay!

Joseph

April 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

Old Physics Teacher:

That quote was certainly not from Reagan… The democrat party has left many people because they have tilted so far left. The only thing that keeps them relevant is that they promise free stuff. Many many people have the same social and moral values as Republicans but they would rather vote for freebies… Its sad really….

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

It is sad enough to hide in a booth to vote for Obama but to defend him and his administration in public demonstrates the progressivel liberals have an agenda that does not include America!

Jordan (Jay Bookman Fan)

April 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

A good friend of mine who makes his living in Oil commodities told me yesterday that oil was going to take a big drop before the election from $102 to maybe $30 a barrel. He usually knows what he is talking about so we will see. History Fact: Other than Jimmy Carter no sitting Democratic president has been defeated since the 1800s. Grover Cleveland in 1888. Just saying…..

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

Doom

I read his post, and I read yours. You should look at what you posted and then compare it to what he said.

The last stats I saw whites account for 38% of the welfare rolls, blacks 37%, Hispanics 20%, etc. So there are more whites on welfare in absolute terms. But there are also 6 1/2 times as many whites as blacks

By your own admission, your 38% to 37%, in raw numbers is actually 38% times 6.5 vs 37%, so there is overwhelmingly more Whites using public assistance dollars at a ratio of 6.5 to 1. He’s making a valid point in respect to raw numbers. You, in turn, switch to percentages in an attempt to refute his point. The problem with that is his point was not predicted on percentages. When you look at almost anything in this country, Whites are going to make up most of the people simply because of population figures. That’s a known fact. Hiding behind percentages does not change that one bit. For every $1 going to Blacks for public assisstance, there is $6 going to Whites. Even you pointed that out.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:07 pm

Miltie, time to help old mike out here with his maths. LOL.

Apparently the guy thinks all white males vote Republican.

And can’t figure out basic percentages and how they relate to vote totals.

Oy…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:07 pm

Thulsa: Didn’t Reagan lower both high marginal tax rates and the capital gains tax? If so then that directly contradicts the point you are trying to make about Reagan. .

So are you saying you can actually back that up?

And if you can, that he never implemented a tax plan to help cover this loophole?

And that if you can do both of those things that it matters whether a President actually IMPLEMENTS policy OVER just talking about it? Because Obama has not implemented any such tax plan either, and has, in fact, lowered taxes.

Thogwummpy

April 12th, 2012
2:07 pm

Obama surely has Obama to blame for a good bit of the divisiveness. Every other sentence out of that man’s mouth is a statement of resentment towards one segment of American society or another. EVERY bit of his philosophy is tinged with childish hostility in the form of class warfare and race-baiting. Yeah, I think Obama is certainly out of his depth on many fronts (especially his moronic poor grasp of Economics); but as a person…he’s extraordinarily bitter and negative; and candidly, his fabrication of sterotypes against any citizen that isn’t firmly locked down in his portfolio of complaint coalitions—is a disgusting practice unbecoming to a President. Each speech he gives could be entitled “Here’s Why I Think You Should Hate Your Neighbor.” Generally, his arguements are the same specious bile tossed about by “Occupy” actors who can’t stand the fact that anyone is more responsible, successful, and hardworking. Obama’s full engagement in hate can NOT be overlooked as a central factor in the frictions building in our culture.

Mick

April 12th, 2012
2:08 pm

Yes, the republican brand is way tarnished and shrinking, they will lose the general election and maybe the house with it.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:08 pm

“Republican Party is becoming the party of middle-aged white men – good point jay, except you are 50 years too late for this to be a new or original claim by the dem party.”

Yeah, that was about the time the otherwise “good ole boy” from Texas, a good southern Democrat and racist, decided it would be advantageous to the party to give the n*****s (as he was want to call them) something.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
2:08 pm

*predicted = predicated… typo :oops:

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:09 pm

Aha!

See Mikey, Willie gets it!

He understand the concept of most. And more.

Good job, now try to explain it to the successful Woodstockian, Willie…

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
2:09 pm

I love when Democrats claim they don’t push class warfare…

Just watch, in this election the Obama team will paint Mitt Romney as a super wealthy white guy that can’t relate with normal Americans. He’s an evil rich white guy!!

Is that considered class warfare?

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:09 pm

bookman parrot

April 12th, 2012
2:05 pm

notice how jay chose the word “accuse” to represent the side he doesn’t like and “argue” to the side he supports. just an observation.

bookman parrot,

And an astute observation at that. Using the word “accuse” makes the cons look petty, divisive, and just plain mean. Saying the libs “argue” a point denotes that they are making a reasoned argument. Good call on that.

ken

April 12th, 2012
2:09 pm

Getalife, no, my Father was blue collar and was never rich. But we sure had family values.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
2:10 pm

The “great uniter” strikes again. Maybe if he received another Nobel Prize for doing nothing, everyone would love us. Can we get a group hug? The telepeompter said it was OK….

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

“History Fact: Other than Jimmy Carter no sitting Democratic president has been defeated since the 1800s. Grover Cleveland in 1888. Just saying…..”

Well, that ignores the fact that LBJ in shame didn’t even bother to run for a second term. Of course, he would have lost worse than his replacement on the ticket.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

Brosephus™ just owned Doom…. lol

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

Woodstock Mike,

Yep. They’ve already started the attack on his wife as a privileged white woman who stays at home with her maids, gardeners, you know- “the help”.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

If the Republican Party is the party of middle aged white men is it fair to say the Democratic Party is the party of all aged African Americans?

No: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogistic_fallacy

PJ

April 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

Easy Way Out. Wow! If I knew that I would not have gotten up each morning to see that my children had a hardy breakfast and saw to their lunch. Made dinner every night for my husband and three children. Saw to their homework and that they got to their extra curriculara ctivities. Volunteered at their schools for trips and as a classroom helper. Made sure we had plenty of family and holiday events. Kept the home clean and the yard full of flowers and fruit trees. And much, much more all the while working full time. My kids and my husband thank me also while not putting anyone else down at the same time

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

Woodstock Mike – “If most successful middle aged white men vote Republican I know I’m making the right choice,”

What about successful middle aged white retirees like myself, who see clearly through the BS of both parties and stand in utter amazement at the sheep who support them?

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:12 pm

You liberals think all those young people who are liberal at heart will come and vote! Yeah —right!

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:12 pm

“Well, that ignores the fact that LBJ in shame didn’t even bother to run for a second term. Of course, he would have lost worse than his replacement on the ticket.”

So…that means two out of the last three “sitting” Democratic presidents lost.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
2:12 pm

I find it quite interesting that when Obama speaks he talks mostly of how difficult it is to get by in America. How only a very small few live the good life and the rest struggle to get by…

This is coming from a guy who’s been in office for 4 years!! LOL

Obama, the country has been under your control for 4 years!!

Oh yeah, it’s still George Bush’s fault!!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:13 pm

Just watch, in this election the Obama team will paint Mitt Romney as a super wealthy white guy that can’t relate with normal Americans. He’s an evil rich white guy!!

Statement 1: Mitt Romney as a super wealthy white guy that can’t relate with normal Americans
Statement 2: He’s an evil rich white guy!!

Two things that are separate, yet the logical leap is made that somehow someone being rich is necessarily evil.

This is not the case being made. It’s not the Obama Team’s fault if you make that connection yourself.

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

April 12th, 2012
2:13 pm

Obama tries to demonize anyone who doesn’t agree with him so it’s no surprise that the country is divided.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
2:14 pm

“Obama team will paint Mitt Romney as a super wealthy white guy that can’t relate with normal Americans. He’s an evil rich white guy!!”

Funny, the whole time he’s been in office, yall have been yelling “ELITIST”, now that yalls nom is 25x and elitists, yall cant use that.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:14 pm

“Yep. They’ve already started the attack on his wife as a privileged white woman who stays at home with her maids, gardeners, you know- “the help”.

Ah…good old Obama class warfare. I was kind of missing that for a bit. Can anyone tell me what that has to do with the major problems we are facing?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:15 pm

Obama, the country has been under your control for 4 years!!

Obviously your definition of “control” is very different from the standard and generally accepted one….

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
2:15 pm

What about successful middle aged white retirees like myself, who see clearly through the BS of both parties and stand in utter amazement at the sheep who support them?

Since my race is in question, am I allowed to join your club? I’m not retired though, but based on where I came from, I consider myself very successful. :)

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:15 pm

Woodstock Mike – “Mitt Romney as a super wealthy white guy that can’t relate with normal Americans.He’s an evil rich white guy!!”

An yet, even though I have more in common with Mitt Romney (silver spoon and all) than you ever will, I still consider him to be a major douchebag.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
2:16 pm

Adam-

If you are trying to tell me that the Obama administration hasn’t made the country look at rich people in a very negative way you sir are the one that can’t make the connection!!

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

“Wow, Miltie just called the former governor of Massachusetts a spoiled brat?!

That’s a bit harsh.

It looks like the fallout from the Santorum suspension is getting serious…”

Jam, what else would you call him? Unlike most libs & cons on here, I will call it like it is. I voted for Bush but was gald that he was gone; do not like Obama; do not like Mitt or Newt or Santa Borium.

Ever since Santa Borium sent the Secret Service after me for electronically hitting up on his “adorable” daughter, I decided he was not for me.

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

PJ – “If I knew that I would not have gotten up each morning to see that my children had a hardy breakfast and saw to their lunch. Made dinner every night for my husband and three children. Saw to their homework and that they got to their extra curriculara ctivities. Volunteered at their schools for trips and as a classroom helper. Made sure we had plenty of family and holiday events. Kept the home clean and the yard full of flowers and fruit trees. And much, much more all the while working full time.”

So you admit you have nothing in common with Mrs. Romney.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

“What about successful middle aged white retirees like myself, who see clearly through the BS of both parties and stand in utter amazement at the sheep who support them?”

I believe we have a two party system. It has been that way all my life. What are your great ideas? Ron Paul or I know Nader!

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
2:18 pm

Butch Cassidy -

This guy says he has more in common with Mitt Romney than I. Does anyone have a clue what that dumb comment means? I don’t personally know Mitt Romney or you? Explain why Mitt Romney is a douchebag…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:19 pm

If you are trying to tell me that the Obama administration hasn’t made the country look at rich people in a very negative way you sir are the one that can’t make the connection!!

Yes that is exactly what I am telling you. You are placing blame for that link on the wrong person.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:19 pm

“So you admit you have nothing in common with Mrs. Romney.”

a hardy breakfast

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

Butch Cassidy has more in common with Mitt Romney than I ever will!! Wait, what the heck does that even mean?? LOL

Talk about a dummy!!

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

“So you admit you have nothing in common with Mrs. Romney.”

How was Ann’s autobiography, anyway, Sundance? Can you tell us some more interesting facts about her life or do you just want to make them up as you go along?

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

saw to
their lunch

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:21 pm

Woodstock Mike – “If you are trying to tell me that the Obama administration hasn’t made the country look at rich people in a very negative way you sir are the one that can’t make the connection!!”

I agree, it’s horrible. I can’t walk out of my apartment without being attacked by an angry mob of “wealth challanged” individuals trying to kill me simply because I was born into money. Damn you Obama, Damn you!!!!

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:21 pm

Saw to their homework

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:21 pm

Saw to their homework

Obama is over

April 12th, 2012
2:21 pm

Ira @ 1:46-
your link is from 2008. The 2010 midterm elections broke down 35 Dem, 35 Rep, 30 Ind. Last month’s ABC/Post poll was 31/27/36 which underpolled both parties. So what is the difference shifting the poll sample from +4 D in March to +11 in April? The all important job approval rating moves from 46% to 50%. This is important because according to Gallop, no incumbent president has been reelected with an approval rating less than 50% in the 1st quarter of the 4th year in office. ABC manipulates the data so George Stephanopolis will have some positive Obama spin on the evening news.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:22 pm

their extra curriculara ctivities

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:22 pm

Volunteered at their schools for trips

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:22 pm

“Yes that is exactly what I am telling you. You are placing blame for that link on the wrong person.”

You are either pretty naive or willfully ignorant, in my opinion. That is almost laughable. How much is the cool-aid?

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:23 pm

sure we had plenty of family and holiday events.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:23 pm

Kept the home clean and the yard full of flowers and fruit trees. And much, much more

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:24 pm

“By your own admission, your 38% to 37%, in raw numbers is actually 38% times 6.5 vs 37%, so there is overwhelmingly more Whites using public assistance dollars at a ratio of 6.5 to 1. He’s making a valid point in respect to raw numbers. You, in turn, switch to percentages in an attempt to refute his point. The problem with that is his point was not predicted on percentages. When you look at almost anything in this country, Whites are going to make up most of the people simply because of population figures. That’s a known fact. Hiding behind percentages does not change that one bit. For every $1 going to Blacks for public assisstance, there is $6 going to Whites. Even you pointed that out.”

Brocephus,

I think you, like him, are having a problem understanding the statistics. Whites are not using 6.5 times as much in terms of welfare dollars as you assert. If there are 100 people on welfare and 38 of them are white and 37 are black then please explain to me how whites are on average using 6.5 times as many welfare dollars as blacks?

We are not talking about 38% of all whites in the white population being on welfare. We are talking about the welfare population and the breakdown of that population.

I used percentages to make the obvious point that as a percentage of their respective populations that there are substantially more blacks on welfare relative to their population. There is nothing deceptive about that.

And if his point is not predicated on percentages then it is still a bogus point. You can not make the statement that whites “overwhelmingly” use more of the welfare dollars if they only account for a mere 1% more of the total recipients on welfare. 1 % more in absolute terms does not constitute “overwhelming”.

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:25 pm

Woodstock Mike – “This guy says he has more in common with Mitt Romney than I”

Unless you were a trust fund baby,like Mitt and I. Unless you spent at least 20 years working in the financial sector, like Mitt and I. Unless you are able to do most anything you want without the fear of finances getting in the way, like Mitt and I. Then I hold to my position that I have more in common with Mitt Romney than you ever will. and becuase of that I can see through his BS “everyman” facade for what it is. That, my friend, is what makes him a douchebag.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
2:25 pm

“working full time.”

No she did not do that! So only one thing she did not do and you say they have nothing in common. Now that is typical liberal thinking.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
2:26 pm

“But I do want to say this to the GOP. If they think that they’re going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful. Because that I find unacceptable,” he said.”

Tell it like it is Obozo!

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
2:27 pm

Adam

April 12th, 2012
11:34 am
You’re absolutely right. I mean REALLY, just look at all those other white mayors

IOW: When the topic is local or state, switch to Obama under the impression that will somehow make it possible to be in a winning position. If, however, the topic is about Obama, switch back to something local under the impression that will somehow make it possible to be in a winning position.

You would benefit from reading this, Thulsa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi#Red_herring

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from subject of argument.
_____________________________________________________________________________

Doomy, you gotsta get the rule book.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:27 pm

Towncrier: So people only started distrusting the rich since 2008? Before that nothing? All Obama’s fault?

Come on man, you’re smarter than that.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:28 pm

Milton, that surprises me.

So who would you like to see in the White house come january 2013/

“Ever since Santa Borium sent the Secret Service after me for electronically hitting up on his “adorable” daughter, I decided he was not for me.”

I’m not even gonna ask!

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:29 pm

“Then I hold to my position that I have more in common with Mitt Romney than you ever will. and becuase of that I can see through his BS “everyman” facade for what it is. That, my friend, is what makes him a douchebag.”

Except that if you were anywhere near as accomplished as he is, you wouldn’t be blogging here. So I would argue you have less in common with him than you suppose.

hryder

April 12th, 2012
2:29 pm

Viewing the graphs in the above indicates to a person with a bit of knowledge of statistics, that all but one of the labeled grouping could be statistically signifigant. Black is that one and logical reasoning indicates that as the one factor for every 99% of black surveyed favor Obama. This indicates that for this grouping of people race is the primary factor. In other words the conclusion is racism in selecting a President on the part of the group of blacks surveyed. VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENT ELECTED OFFICE HOLDERS IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:29 pm

That Black Guy: Doomy, you gotsta get the rule book.

Oh that’s RIGHT! I forgot, every time I call someone out for something, I am arrogant and a “rule enforcer.” So SO sorry.

If you want to keep giving me more credit and clout than I deserve, go right on ahead.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

Towncrier: Except that if you were anywhere near as accomplished as he is, you wouldn’t be blogging here.

And this statement comes from the false assumption that everyone who has a high degree of wealth is so busy “producing” that they don’t have time for something like a blog.

Jack

April 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

I’m in the white male stat along with Bookman and all the other sensible voters in America.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

“History Fact: Other than Jimmy Carter no sitting Democratic president has been defeated since the 1800s. Grover Cleveland in 1888. Just saying…..”

And that is not going to change in 2012.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:32 pm

“Towncrier: So people only started distrusting the rich since 2008? Before that nothing? All Obama’s fault? Come on man, you’re smarter than that.”

Of course not. But I can’t think of any president who has made class such an issue an public speeches as he has, all at a time when the country is more divided than it has been in decades. Can you? My point was that if a person with as prominent a position as his keeps reiterating the same old stuff, beating the same old drum, it is going to have an effect. I mean, isn’t that why you dislike Hannity so much?

Mick

April 12th, 2012
2:33 pm

Class warfare, what a canard promoted by the rich elitist echo chamber for all their rubes and water carriers to fall in line and parrot. It’s exactly what happens, kinda like those fools who built the bridge over river kwai thinking they were doing something righteous…

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:36 pm

“History Fact: Other than Jimmy Carter no sitting Democratic president has been defeated since the 1800s. Grover Cleveland in 1888. Just saying…..”

“And that is not going to change in 2012.”

Well, that ignores the fact that LBJ in shame didn’t even bother to run for a second term. Of course, he would have lost worse than his replacement on the ticket. So…that means two out of the last three “sitting” Democratic presidents lost.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:39 pm

“And this statement comes from the false assumption that everyone who has a high degree of wealth is so busy “producing” that they don’t have time for something like a blog.”

No, silly, it comes from the assumption that CEOs, governors and IOC presidents don’t have time to blog.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:40 pm

Adam,

Were you actually freaking serious? You really disputed that Reagan lowered both marginal taxes and capital gains taxes? Well just to help you out I went and found a liberal source that speaks about Reagan’s tax cuts.

He cut marginal tax rates substantially but then had to give back some of his tax cuts later on with 2 tax raises. In capital gains he also cut taxes for severl years but later had to give that back and raise it back to the 28% level by the time he left office. But they were initially cut for the majority of his presidency.

I was nice this time but next time I won’t take the time to post something that is basically just common knowledge and which you ought to know.

http://www.examiner.com/liberal-in-orlando/rich-tax-cuts-capital-gains-ronald-reagan-and-the-destruction-of-america

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
2:40 pm

A candidate who did not run for reelection “lost”.

Gotta love neocon “thinking”.

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:41 pm

Towncrier – “Except that if you were anywhere near as accomplished as he is, you wouldn’t be blogging here.”

Or, due to my financial knowledge and the luck of being born into a wealthy family , I was able to retire at 45 and spend my days doing pretty much whatever I want. I’m on this blog because I spent 4 years in Atlanta working at JP Turner before moving to New York where I finished my career at Citi in 2008. What, you think everyone wants wallow in politics?

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:43 pm

“What, you think everyone wants wallow in politics?”

Blogging here is not doing that in a sense? See my previous response to Adam.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
2:43 pm

We are not talking about 38% of all whites in the white population being on welfare. We are talking about the welfare population and the breakdown of that population.

That’s probably where I misunderstood you. In that case, then it’s not overwhelmingly more, but White Americans use more welfare $$ than Black Americans, regardless to what percentage of what race uses that money. The effect on the US budget doesn’t matter on percentages. The budget is based on dollars. If welfare spending accounts for $300 Billion a year, then that 1% equates to $3B a year extra. You may not think much of that 1%, but it is a meaningful dollar amount.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
2:43 pm

Sit down, Bruno, and be quiet about race issues. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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NO, Bruno, STAND UP.

Stand up for having the BALLZ to ask the question instead of tellingBro how he “really feels” or what he’s “really saying”.

When you want to know what a person is thinking, you ASK them.

You don’t ASSUME.

You don’t tell them.

You ASK THEM.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:44 pm

“Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from subject of argument.’

Adam,

Coming from the ironical king himself. Now THASS funny.

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:44 pm

Towncrier – “No, silly, it comes from the assumption that CEOs, governors and IOC presidents don’t have time to blog.”

You’re right, luckily I’m none of the above. And it’s pretty obtuse to think that only those in the C-Suite, and politics could possibly accumulate wealth. BTW, I didn’t blog nearly as much in my 20 years as a Broker as I do now. Retirement has it’s priviliges.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:46 pm

“A candidate who did not run for reelection “lost”. Gotta love neocon “thinking”.

Let me explain it to you, then. LBJ would have run had it not been a certainty he would lose. HH ran in place of him and lost. The sitting Democratic presidential party lost. Gotta love illogical liberal dodges when they can’t win an argument.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:48 pm

“You’re right, luckily I’m none of the above. And it’s pretty obtuse to think that only those in the C-Suite, and politics could possibly accumulate wealth.”

He was an executive of the highest order in three places; you were not not. I stick to my statement: you don’t have as much in common with him as you suppose. BTW, congrats on the early retirement (and I mean that!).

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:50 pm

But I can’t think of any president who has made class such an issue an public speeches as he has, all at a time when the country is more divided than it has been in decades. Can you?

FDR ring a bell?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:50 pm

Thulsa: You are free to point out where I’ve used a red herring and I’ll own up to my mistake.

And you failed to answer my other questions about Reagan, by the way. I knew you’d focus only on the one thing you could prove. I accept your surrender on the others.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:52 pm

Towncrier: “And this statement comes from the false assumption that everyone who has a high degree of wealth is so busy “producing” that they don’t have time for something like a blog.”

No, silly, it comes from the assumption that CEOs, governors and IOC presidents don’t have time to blog.

When it comes to CEOs, same concept. Still false.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:54 pm

“FDR ring a bell?”

Possibly…I’d have to evaluate whether of not that was true. But that is going back to the 30s. Should we look to things said by southern Democrats of that era as well?

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
2:54 pm

Brocephus,

Well I’m glad we got that cleared up now on the misunderstanding. But I see that you are sticking to your guns on the absolute level of 1%. Frankly I don’t understand how you can seriously not take into account that if there are 6 1/2 times as many whites overall than all things being equal the welfare rolls would and should reflect that whites probably should comprise much more than 38% of all welfare recipients. If we looked on our respective populations in general than whites should realistically comprise 73% of the welfare rolls and blacks 12 or 13%.

Nevertheless its not really important anyway.It would be nice if we wean everyone, white, black, or green off of the welfare rolls and into more productive lives. I’m just a stickler for using statistics accurately and realistically to tell a full story rather than someone just throwing misleading stats out there to make their particular point of view. That’s all.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:54 pm

That Black Guy: You don’t ASSUME.

You don’t tell them.

You ASK THEM.

Which is exactly what you do every time you label someone, right? And Bruno? He does that too. So nice try, but you guys definitely don’t apply this across the board. Just when you think you have a specific instance of having done so.

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:54 pm

“When it comes to CEOs, same concept. Still false.”

Whatever, dude.

Butch Cassidy

April 12th, 2012
2:55 pm

Towncrier – “He was an executive of the highest order in three places; you were not not. I stick to my statement: you don’t have as much in common with him as you suppose. BTW, congrats on the early retirement (and I mean that!).”

Thanks for the kudos. All I’m saying is that I know the life in which he was raised. Some seek power and wealth simply to attain more. I’m not that way, never was. I don’t hold with either side, but what Romney attempts to do is say that he’s just like everyone else, and he understands their pain. Based on his upbringing, and his chosen career, it’s virtually impossible to connect with joe median income earner, and the fact that he tries is an insult. I don’t care that Romney is rich, so is Obama. What I can’t stand is the hypocrisy from both sides in the attempt to get the average citizen to believe that they actually give a crap about them.

SaveOurRepublic

April 12th, 2012
2:56 pm

Lyman Hall, thou art learned indeed. The bogus “Left vs. Right” paradigm is leveraged as a control mechanism by the Globalist Elite to dupe the sheeple into voting for controlled candidate A or controlled candidate B (2 sides of the same coin). Dr.Ron Paul is far & away the only proven candidate running for POTUS 2012.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
2:57 pm

Towncrier: Should we look to things said by southern Democrats of that era as well?

Why not? We do anyway anytime someone from the right wants to try to pretend that conservatives, who now control the Republican party but didn’t back then, were always for civil rights :roll:

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
2:59 pm

“Based on his upbringing, and his chosen career, it’s virtually impossible to connect with joe median income earner, and the fact that he tries is an insult. I don’t care that Romney is rich, so is Obama. What I can’t stand is the hypocrisy from both sides in the attempt to get the average citizen to believe that they actually give a crap about them.”

To the extent they both do it, I think it dishonest and would agree with you. It would be better for them to have spent time serving and helping the poor and having some of them as real friends. Then they would have a better claim, don’t you think?

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
3:01 pm

“Thulsa: You are free to point out where I’ve used a red herring and I’ll own up to my mistake.”

There really isn’t a point here Adam. In your mind you are the sole arbiter of what constitues a relevant point, a red herring, etc and what doesn’t. I might as well be talking to my box of rocks. Not to insult my box of rocks by comparing his logic to yours. After all I like my box of rocks.

“And you failed to answer my other questions about Reagan, by the way. I knew you’d focus only on the one thing you could prove. I accept your surrender on the others.”

What other questions do you have on Reagan? Doomy is always willing to help you out. Do you have questions about the mind blowing economic growth under Reagan? About a month where 1.1 million new jobs were created? Or perhaps you would like to know about the 16 million new jobs created overall during his 8 year tenure or the 21 million jobs created from the low point of the 81-82 recession. Perhaps you had a question about the 7% economic growth 2 1/2 years into his presidency vs the 1.7% economic growth that O achieved in his 3rd full year of his presidency of 2011. Lemme know Adam. I’m here for ya!

Towncrier

April 12th, 2012
3:01 pm

“Why not? We do anyway anytime someone from the right wants to try to pretend that conservatives, who now control the Republican party but didn’t back then, were always for civil rights ”

I don’t know that is true at all. Certainly Dixiecrats didn’t. But I would not go so far as to say all other conservatives did not as well. Were is the evidence for that?

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
3:07 pm

“Based on his upbringing, and his chosen career, it’s virtually impossible to connect with joe median income earner, and the fact that he tries is an insult”

Butch Cassidy,

Going by that logic how therefore is it that liberal Democrats loved the Kennedys and connected with these men who grew up in a family of such wealth and privilege that portends to speak for the common man despite coming from such privilege. And we could actually say that about a lot of Democrats as well as Republicans. And as I understand it Mitt made his own money.He did not automatically inherit millions.

kimmer

April 12th, 2012
3:09 pm

I would like to see this broken down in a couple of other ways. Using the same demographic groups, what are their beliefs as to the role of government and what percentage of the total tax revenue is paid by each group. On the first question I think I know how that would come out because BO is a champion of the of the nanny state, let the government take care of you, redistribute the wealth and I would have to assume those who support him share that philosophy. On the second question, I have no idea how that would break down but I’ve got a pretty good suspicion.

And all I have to say to those who espouse obama’s philosophy is enjoy it while it lasts because it will inevitably kill the golden goose.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
3:09 pm

In your mind you are the sole arbiter of what constitues a relevant point, a red herring, etc and what doesn’t.

Called it!

Seriously, I’m flattered you’re willing to adorn me with such authority completely of your own free will.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
3:10 pm

“Doomy, you gotsta get the rule book.”

Should we call it the Adam book of rules or the Adam bible?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
3:10 pm

Towncrier: Were is the evidence for that?

I was making one point, but you seem to think I was making another. What evidence are you asking for?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

Rule 1A from the Adam book of rules. Thou shalt not engage in a similar example that Adam could possibly, conceivably construe as a “red herring”. Reason being because he will.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
3:18 pm

Hmmm I’m gonna have to write these down. :D

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
3:21 pm

“And if you can, that he never implemented a tax plan to help cover this loophole?”

Actually as I already posted upon seeing the burdgeoning budget deficits Reagan raised taxes twice and before he left office restored the cap. gains tax back to its original 28% bracket. Now what you should keep in mind is that he was working with a Dem Congress and that twice he was told by Congressional leaders that they would offset his tax cuts with reduced spending. That did not happen.

“And that if you can do both of those things that it matters whether a President actually IMPLEMENTS policy OVER just talking about it? Because Obama has not implemented any such tax plan either, and has, in fact, lowered taxes”

Adam,

Did O lower taxes? Or just keep the W taxes which were already in effect? And do you consider all the various taxes which are built into Obamacare as “lowering taxes”? They haven’t hit yet but obviously they will once ACA goes into effect.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
3:23 pm

But I see that you are sticking to your guns on the absolute level of 1%. Frankly I don’t understand how you can seriously not take into account that if there are 6 1/2 times as many whites overall than all things being equal the welfare rolls would and should reflect that whites probably should comprise much more than 38% of all welfare recipients. If we looked on our respective populations in general than whites should realistically comprise 73% of the welfare rolls and blacks 12 or 13%.

Because the dollar amounts spent do not depend on percentages. Budgeting for welfare is not based on percentages to population. It’s in dollars only.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
3:25 pm

TD

Didn’t he have a Repub Senate for 4 or 6 yrs? I could be incorrect… maybe just 2 …. refresh my memory…………. hahaha

I do know the House was Dem all 8

The Robes and Hoods Have Come Out Of The Closet

April 12th, 2012
3:26 pm

@MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
1:30 pm
I would rather vote for a spoiled brat whose wife is a stay home mom than a clown whose wife was never proud of this country until her idiot husband was nominated for president.

******************************************************************************

The Romneys would not let you near them.

You ain’t in their league.

You are a southern, cheesy grits eating NOBODY.

They would look down their noses at you Milton Man

I bet your wife don’t drive TWO CADILLACS. :) .

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

TD

Come on

“Now what you should keep in mind is that he was working with a Dem Congress ”

You know that the Dems only controlled Congress for 2 yrs while Reagan was in office

The 1st six yrs of Reagan’s two terms had a majority Republican Senate

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
3:34 pm

“Because the dollar amounts spent do not depend on percentages. Budgeting for welfare is not based on percentages to population. It’s in dollars only.”

I understand that. We all do. But its irrelevant to the point that I was making to ” the robes and hoods” regarding the use of misleading statistics.

Anyway, I’m out for a while. Gots to get productive and get some work done.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
3:35 pm

They both suck,

And the house?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
3:38 pm

Did O lower taxes?

Stimulus?

Casual Observer

April 12th, 2012
3:43 pm

The head line of this blog is rather interesting. “Under Obama, America more divided than ever”. It is almost as if Jay is shocked that this has actually happened. Does he not watch the news and see what is going on? I watch the news, and Obama is seen picking groups out and attacking them. He sets his surrogates loose on the rich, the conservatives, Fox News, George Bush, BIG oil, BIG business, Wall Street, GOP women, conservative women, and now Ann Romney. When the water gets a little hot, he backs away and then finds another fight. But his surrogates continue the attacks, along with the all to willing media to help. The war on women fight was started by George Stephanopolis during the GOP debate back in January when he asked Mitt Romney what he thought about contraceptives and womens rights. Mitt told George that no one is even talking about it, and doesn’t understand why George wants to make this an issue. It is an issue only for Obama as he continues to try and run away from his abysmal record. The war never even started, but the dems are making it a major issue on the campaign trail. And you wonder why America is divided?

Jay Bookman likes to chum up the waters for his minions. He continuously posts blogs here to fire up his troops and set them loose on any stray conservative that may visit his blog. If a conservative makes a point that is different from what Jay says, or differs from their illogical leftist agenda, they are attacked by Jay’s parrots and even Jay on certain occasions. Dissenting views are met with cackles and childish replies, especially when Jay swoops in with his amateurish remarks. And you wonder why America is divided?

You have your regulars (Adam, JamVet, Butch Cassidy, Stands for Decibels, They BOTH suck, JOE COOL, getalife, Becky, aquagirl, etc) that somehow are under the illusuion that they are much smarter than anyone else, and they have all the answers. You would think they would step away from their computers and enter into the world of politics since they know it all. They know that if they had to step out from behind Jay Bookman and all his followers, they would get laughed right out of the arena of ideas. Everything wrong with this world is the Republicans, and more specifically, George Bush’s fault. There are mounds and mounds of evidence that show Obama has failed as a president, but not in the liberals mind. Obama inherited all this mess, and it is going to take more than 4 years to solve them. Ronald Reagan took office after another failure, Jimmy Carter, and he did a pretty good job turning it around, why can’t Obama do the same? Stop making excuses, and do the job you were put in office to do.

Under Obama, America more divided than ever….because we have a president that is not man enough to lead, and instead plays the game of personal destruction.

robert goulet

April 12th, 2012
3:55 pm

Interesting way to look at the data…
Here is the ABC/WaPo poll that actually happened simultaneously as the PEW Research poll that Mr. Bookman references in his article (3/7-3/11): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_031012.html
Item 31 shows Romney leading Obama 49-47. The Democrat/Republican/Independent spread is also much closer to actual numbers (approx 50-50/D-R historically) in the 3/7-3/11 poll. 31% Democrat, 27% Republican, 36% Independent.
Here is the ABC/WaPo poll that Mr. Bookman used in the article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_04082012.html
As you will notice, the poll is 34% Democrat, 23% Republican, 34% Independent. The +11 advantage of Democrats to Republicans skew the data heavily in favor of the President.
Can you explain why the demographic data was not merged with the polling data until a month later? Could it be because someone waited until the 2 polls largely matched each other and showed the President with a large lead? What does that say about the PEW Poll? Could it have been as heavily skewed as the most recent ABC/WaPo poll?
I think what we can gather from your article is that polls are unreliable at best and downright lies at worst.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

“You have your regulars (Adam, JamVet, Butch Cassidy, Stands for Decibels, They BOTH suck, JOE COOL, getalife, Becky, aquagirl, etc) that somehow are under the illusuion that they are much smarter than anyone else, and they have all the answers”

Shh, Casual Observer!

I enjoy this grandiose delusional addiction on their part.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

Libs & their love affair with polls – a never ending saga akin to a dog chasing its tail

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

“You are a southern, cheesy grits eating NOBODY.

They would look down their noses at you Milton Man

I bet your wife don’t drive TWO CADILLACS”

I am a “NOBODY” as you so eloquently shout yet you take time to respond to my post???

(1) Look in the mirror very, very closely & (2) Repeat “I am an Idiot” three times

Don Abernethy

April 12th, 2012
4:12 pm

If the Tea Party will get active and put some life into a tired Republican Party we will have a good chance of winning. But if we have to depend on the Republican leadership in the Senate to help we are in big trouble.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

Pfft. Everyone knows you need millions of dollars to run for political office. As it is I do what I can in grassroots efforts instead. Including, but not limited to, other community efforts.

baleen

April 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

MiltonMan
April 12th, 2012
10:37 am
“It appears the War on Women is for real suckers.”
Said by one who has no problem with the DNC advisor blasting non-working women.

The FORMER democratic advisor simply called out Romney for claiming his wife had some expertise in the field of macroeconomics. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Casual Observer

April 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

The person who attacked Ann Romney for staying home and raising 5 kids is a lesbian. She has never raised kids, and never will. She is excused from her ignorant statement.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
4:20 pm

TD…….

If you are still on……. I already said Dems had the House for 8 yrs

You said Reagan worked with a Dem Congress……. He worked with a Dem House for 8 and Repub Senate for 6…… so your original post was incorrect………. he only did what you indicated for 2 yrs

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

cry on Casual………… cry on

I will debate you any day of the week and you can use your talking points and open up as many right leaning website for info as you like

Have a great day

Wise A$$

April 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

MiltonMan
April 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

Libs & their love affair with polls

I understand that Barney Frank LOVES polls.

Casual Observer

April 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

They BOTH suck,

From reading your posts, I am not surprised that you would try and be ‘The Man’. I will offer some advice to you young man, for free. Be very careful with your threats, crow is not something you would want to feast on.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

CO

“Be very careful with your threats, crow is not something you would want to feast on.”

Didn’t threaten anyone……. If you felt “threatend” by a post on a blog then I can’t help you

It was you calling people out on your post with your hyperbole, talking pts and rhetoric……. I merely responded with a challenge

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
4:48 pm

“The FORMER democratic advisor…”

She still is & has visited the WH 35 times now.

Perhaps

April 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

It appears that white men are more willing to support a candidate without respect to race than their non-white counterparts.

Casual Observer

April 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

TBS,

After reading through 13 pages of postings, you and others listed above can’t differentiate between opinion and fact, and I can’t help you. Debates with the delusional is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. You are entitled to your opinion, and that is all it is, your opinion based on what you think is reality.

Have a nice day.

Tom Middleton

April 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

No genius here, Jay, but with the Republicans going further to the right every election cycle, they seem to be losing everyone but “the mighty hunter” white guy who thinks their party offers him the best advantage for winning the game.

The Dems, on the other hand, want everyone to win and are always willing to help, probably why they do the best with everyone who’s left.

So is moderation (centrism) the key to the polls you cited, something the Republicans have spent many years running away from as fast as they could?

Yup, they did it to themselves, sir. It seems greed doesn’t work very well after all, unless, of course, you’re a mighty vulture capitalist running to win the presidency!

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

cry on casual, cry on

Reread your original post, replace the names with your name as you look in the mirror

With that said, have a great night

Martin Williams

April 12th, 2012
5:05 pm

The war on woman is not for real suckers but for idiots like Mitt Romney. I have paid close attention to general election talks/debates for nearly 40 years and I have never heard any candidate from both sides including independent say stupid things like Mitt Romney. When Mitt open his mouth and said he will get rid of/or stop funding to Planned Parenthood was gravely stupid. That is war against women and the GOP is going to pay for that. Another idiot is Paul Ryan the budget director for the GOP. I pray Mitt makes him his running mate and a win is gurantee for Obama just like McCain did when he selected Sarah as running mate.

Casual Observer

April 12th, 2012
5:12 pm

TBS,

Your latest reply to my original post was almost as bad as ‘nanny nanny, boo boo’. Your ignorance entertains me. And you want to debate….get real.

Enjoy dancing with your friends, I am out of here.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
5:27 pm

“I have paid close attention to general election talks/debates for nearly 40 years and I have never heard any candidate from both sides including independent say stupid things like Mitt Romney.”

And yet you provide no quote or evidence of all these stupid things that Romney has allegedly said. Your ignorance knows no bounds Mr. Williams.

GT

April 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

White men in our this generation are like mutations. I can only theorized they couldn’t separate the movies from reality, they wanted to think of themselves as Rambos and never grew out of that stage. You haven’t mentioned the grip younger white men are losing. 60 plus percent of the college educated are women, same with hiring, pretty soon the women will well dominate this country in anything that is important. I blame this on the same thing that we have thrown at blacks for decades, poor role models. Woman on the other hand had much better role model, few women have the ego problem of a Rambo, or a white gun toting American male. I suspect there will be a swing in this herd macho thinking ,if it is thinking, but it is probably too late. There are a lot more Bobby Petrinos riding his motorcycle and Rick Pitinos, closing down a restaurant, out there than Tim Tebows. One of the reasons the talk shows go ballistic over Tebow’s popularity, they think this kind of character is fake, and who knows maybe it is. My mother’s character was not fake, millions of women lived and died in this country unknown, broke, tired, but greater people as role models than this batch of white American men who confused character with a gun, and hate, self gratification. Now as it comes back to roast the daughters of these great American women are taking the stage to save a country loss in fiction and superficiality. The woman who stayed to raise the children while the husband went on to his trophy. The first thing the women do is vote for a strong family man who has two daughters, a wife and a mother in law living with him and has been in love with his family much longer than just when he started wanting a public office. I hope the first American women is half the family woman the first American black president is, because that is more important than sex, race or creed. Something this batch of white men loss sight of.

I remember

April 12th, 2012
5:31 pm

To his credit, Obama has a clear vision of America. It comes through in his speeches and in his agenda. It’s part of his appeal.
Unfortunately, his vision is one of a statist monolith, in which the elites tell the rest of us what to do and provide us with a mediocre set of “benefits” from the all powerful state. Everyone looks to the state to address their wrongs and to fix their problems. Internationally, he sees a weak America,justifiably ashamed for it’s history and facilitating the rise of tyrants as a means of propitiating our sins.
Now we hear that the Dems don’t believe that stay at home moms work.
The gratutious slap at Mrs. Romney stands in sharp hypocritical contrast to Obama’s demand that his wife be off limits in politics. This is the defining difference in American politics because the press will allow him to get away with his hyper-hypocrisy and will say nothing.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
5:36 pm

“No genius here, Jay, but with the Republicans going further to the right every election cycle, they seem to be losing everyone but “the mighty hunter” white guy who thinks their party offers him the best advantage for winning the game.”

Are you stuck in 2002/2003???

Let me clue you Rip Van Winkle:

There has not been a democratic gov in this state since then – after 130+ years of democratic control

The dems have lost the state house

The dems have lost the state senate

The state of Georgia has added a new district that will vote republican

The Democratic Party in this state is broke

You could probably find a bunch of the libs gathered around Hank Johnson’s office holding “Save Guam” posters.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

GT:

“I hope the first American women is half the family woman the first American black president is, because that is more important than sex, race or creed. Something this batch of white men loss sight of.”

The same woman that went on record saying that she was never proud of her country???

GT

April 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

Ms. Obama had to work, wasn’t a choice. Ms. Romney didn’t have to work, doesn’t make her bad, but if she looks down her nose at working American women then we have a problem. I like going back to that Detroit speech and Romney pointing out what his wife drove. Nothing wrong with any of this until someone wants to talk about hypocritical contrast. Ms. Obama was very visible in the last election, they didn’t need a poll that said they sucked with women voters to get her involved, and the country loved the woman. Now that the Republicans have seen this kind of thing working for the Democrats they pull their wives from the bridge games and country clubs and dare us to call them on it, or as you call it, take a gratuitous slap. Great thing about women they don’t suffer fools near as well as we men.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

April 12th, 2012
5:47 pm

That’s odd, my poll has Romney up 85 – 15 across the board. Wonder which data is correct?

Tom Middleton

April 12th, 2012
6:21 pm

GT@5:29 and 5:44: You rock!!!!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
6:24 pm

Thulsa: You mean quotes like “I like being able to fire people that provide services to me” and “I’m running for office for pete’s sake, I can’t have illegals” and “the trees are the right height”

Like that?

Billybob

April 12th, 2012
6:54 pm

it is so funny to watch obama project himself onto ronald reagan and then expect people to buy his schtick……..jay, even the leftist media will not be able to create the public opinion through manipulated polls that will be needed for obama to distance himself from his own policies, actions, and own words………i know you will keep trying though……….probably will not end well for the dem party as hussein and the radicals are in the process of destroying it………..can’t wait for you to try to spin the moderate dems jumping ship as the election nears……should be in for some great leftist fiction………….you know, like the war on women that axelrod tried to create……….keep talking though libs, i need comic relief every now and then………..

Dickelsby

April 12th, 2012
6:56 pm

The current administration ‘diverting’ $500 Mill to the freaking I.R.S. for Obamare admin should be enough by itself to pull you all off this non leader….a dog with a note in his mouth would produce better policy!!!!!!

The Robes and Hoods Have Come Out Of The Closet

April 12th, 2012
6:57 pm

@Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
“I have paid close attention to general election talks/debates for nearly 40 years and I have never heard any candidate from both sides including independent say stupid things like Mitt Romney.”

And yet you provide no quote or evidence of all these stupid things that Romney has allegedly said. Your ignorance knows no bounds Mr. Williams
******************************************************************

Stupid things that Romney has said. :)

1. ‘I’m not concerned about the very poor’

2. The $10,000 bet

3. ‘I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake’
“I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake – I can’t have illegals.”

4. ‘Corporations are people, my friend!’

5. ‘I’m also unemployed’

6. Endorsing a violent dictatorship?
In a GOP debate on foreign policy Nov. 22, Romney was asked what the US should do about Pakistan. In his reply, he appeared to endorse the repressive reign of Indonesia’s Suharto, which began in the 1960s.

7. ‘Hanging’ Obama with a misery index
Back in April, Romney sought to tie the nation’s economic troubles to Obama, but chose words that he immediately knew were problematic – given Obama’s race.

“ “We’re going to hang him, uh, so to speak, metaphorically, with, uh, with, uh – you have to be careful these days, I’ve learned that – with an Obama Misery Index.”

8. Obama’s ‘peacetime spending binge’
Romney attacked Obama for engaging in “one of the biggest peacetime spending binges in American history.”

Oops.

Can you say Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya? Team Romney quickly corrected the mistake. “He meant to say since World War II,” spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom told David Weigel of Slate.

9. ‘Small varmints, if you will’
: “I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I’ve always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will. I began when I was 15 or so and I have hunted those kinds of varmints since then. More than two times

10. “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me.”

11. “I should tell my story. I’m also unemployed.” —Mitt Romney, speaking in 2011 to unemployed people in Florida. Romney’s net worth is over $200 million.

12. “There were a couple of times I wondered whether I was going to get a pink slip” –Mitt Romney, attempting to identify with the problems of average folk (January 2012)

13. “[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs.” –Mitt Romney, campaigning for president in Michigan (February 2012)

14. “I get speaker’s fees from time to time, but not very much.” —Mitt Romney, who earned $374,000 in speaking fees in one year according to according to his personal financial disclosure (January 2012)

15. 9. “PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air.” —Mitt Romney in 2007, responding to criticism from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals following revelations that he had once put the family dog in a carrier and strapped it to the roof of his car during a 12-hour road trip

16. “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” –Mitt Romney (January 2012)

17. “I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners.” —Mitt Romney, after being asked whether he follows NASCAR racing (February 2012)

18. “I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks.” —Mitt Romney to a group of NASCAR fans wearing plastic ponchos at the Daytona 500 (February 2012)

19. “I love this state. The trees are the right height.” —Mitt Romney, campaigning in Michigan (February 2012)

Billybob

April 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

will be fun when obama’s own quotes bury his chance for re-election……….

HelpOnTheWay2012

April 12th, 2012
7:24 pm

Hmmmm….my comment is awaiting moderation. Go figure. Let’s try again, shall we.

Jay never misses a chance to bash conservatives, so I thought I would suggest a few stories for him. Maybe tomorrow he will opine on one of the following;

Poll – Romney tops Obama
Obama Hammered for ‘Jetting Around,’ Taking Vacations While Americans Suffer
“Moderate Caucus” chair urges Cheney’s execution
Latin America Loses Faith in Obama

It will not let me post the links, but these stories are easy to find using Google.

Truth-O-Meter

April 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

My thoughts about the President being a polarizing figure are the same as what I thought when that label was applied to Hillary Clinton. It’s not fair to blame the person who is the object of disdain. The only person conservatives hate more than Bill and Hillary is Obama.

When Mitch McConnell said his number one job was to see the President defeated, he meant that could be done in more ways than one. Some people may not vote for the president because they are just simply tired of the drama. I will not reward a party with my vote when I know that they work overtime stoking fear and ill will then stand back and say, “This President is dividing us!”

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

Casual Observer

April 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
“The person who attacked Ann Romney for staying home and raising 5 kids is a lesbian. She has never raised kids, and never will. She is excused from her ignorant statement”

Hilary Rosen is an amazing, loving and dedicated mother to our twins.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizabeth-birch/hilary-rosen-ann-romney_b_1421774.html

Please remind Casual how ignorant and uniformed he is if I do not see him first……….

Thanks

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Joel Edge

April 13th, 2012
4:58 am

Why are you Democrats so obsessed with race?

Difference

April 15th, 2012
2:44 pm

Hey, don’t look over there (the economy). Look over here! (war on women, tax returns, anything)

Madison

April 15th, 2012
6:02 pm

Obama inherited a $1.2 trillion deficit, if you look at the cause of the deficit
1) bush tax cuts price tag $4.5 trillion so far
2) Iraq and afghan wars cost $1.5 trillion
3) Entitlements are around $1 trillion per year now
4) The recession reduced the government intake to 14.8 percent of GDP versus nearly 17% for Bush.

Obama’s only significant spending while in office was the 2nd stimulus ~$344 billion of which $244 billion went to the payroll tax cut that was relief for the middle class and small business.
The remainder was for cash for clunkers and the auto bailout that saved one of our strongest manufacturing sectors. GM went from bankrupt in 08, to the number 1 car manufacturer in the world, a position lost to Toyota nearly a decade ago.