Under Obama, America more divided than ever

I think it’s fair to say that Barack Obama has proved to be a polarizing political figure. You can argue about who to blame for that reality — some accuse Obama of divisive policies and rhetoric; others argue that certain segments of the electorate have responded negatively for reasons that have nothing to do with how Obama has governed, and are instead related to his race and background.

For the moment, let’s set that debate aside and look at the numbers, which are pretty stark and suggest that Obama has indeed become one of the most polarizing political figures in the modern era.

demopoll

For example, let’s look at the results of the most recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, which overall gave Obama a lead of 51-44 percent among registered voters. But when you start breaking that down demographically, things get interesting.

Among non-white Americans, Obama leads Mitt Romney by 59 percentage points, 78-19 percent.

Among women voters, Obama leads by a margin of 19 points, 57-38 percent.

Romney’s only significant advantage — 61-35 percent — is among white male voters. His 26-point lead among that demographic group is what keeps him at least competitive in the poll.

pewpoll

The Post/ABC poll did not break down responses by age, but a Pew poll (see chart to right) taken a month earlier did. In addition to confirming Obama’s advantages among women and minorities, Pew found that among voters 18-29, Obama led Romney by 61-35 percent, a 26-point breakout.

Romney performed best among American voters aged 65 and older. But I was particularly struck by his performance among women aged 18-49: He loses that core group by a startling 31 points, 64-33 percent. That’s basically a 2-1 advantage for Obama.

So how do those numbers compare historically? The best gauge may be the 2000 election between Al Gore and George W. Bush, a contest that had no incumbent and basically ended in a tie. According to CNN exit poll data from that election, Gore had an 11-point advantage over George Bush among women, compared to Obama’s current 19-point advantage. Among voters 18-29, Gore and Bush were essentially tied, a far cry from the 28-point lead that Obama now enjoys.

So what’s it all mean? Well, it’s pretty clear that what you see when you look at the political scene depends an awful lot on who you are. The lens through which you view things — your background, upbringing, life experience, etc. –doesn’t dictate your politics, but it does strongly influence it. The intensity of that influence seems to be increasing over time.

Looking at the data, it’s also hard to argue against the notion that for whatever reason, the Republican Party is becoming the party of middle-aged white men, dominating in that core group but losing appeal in most other areas. And although the data don’t address this, my sense is that the harder the GOP works to maintain its grip on that group, the more difficult it becomes to reach outside it that demographic and broaden the party’s appeal. I don’t have the slightest idea of how it can break out of that spiral.

If you have some other interpretation of the data, I’ll be glad to listen.

– Jay Bookman

643 comments Add your comment

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:14 am

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:14 am

It appears the War on Women is for real suckers.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
10:17 am

White men telling everyone else how they should feel in 3…2…1….

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

Mitt Romney is like a box of chocolates…you never know what you’re to get.

Atleast w/ Obama, we know what we’re getting. And while some of it is not very good, I still think he’s a better option than Romney.

I’ll be voting for stability and growth (how ever small it is, it’s still growth) rather than handing it right back over to the Republicans.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

No headline… hmmm

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

I do loves me some Aquagirl. :D

ty webb

April 12th, 2012
10:19 am

vampires benefit from the “war on women”? or is it leeches?

Maude

April 12th, 2012
10:21 am

Caucasian men rejoice in groupthink.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:21 am

Jay: I think your analysis is spot on.

I am a white male, but I guess I am not of the generation of whatever white men are so stupid as to support Mr. Etch-A-Sketch.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:21 am

ty-lol. I think it is save to say cons can be both.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

safe to say, sorry

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

Peadawg: I’ll be voting for stability and growth (how ever small it is, it’s still growth) rather than handing it right back over to the Republicans.

Indeed. Well said.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

Jay,

I heard Jay Leno make the point that BO is only the second president to have average price of gas double during his administration…I’m sure you know the first…He didn’t close guantanamo and continue the Bush tax cuts which he now owns. On top of all this, if his HCare thingy gets zapped by SC, all this will allow Romney, regardless of competency, paste all this on expensive ads which will likely make up a chunk, if not more of the divide….

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

Well I’m proud to be in the minority of college-educated white men over 55 that supports President Obama.

RF

April 12th, 2012
10:23 am

“Romney performed best among American voters aged 65 and older.”

Well, it’s probably good they’re having the convention in Tampa. At least drivers there are used to having all the seniors on the road. The AARP will make a fortune at that event!

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:23 am

This country is divided as hell. Obama is just another example and not the cause. This country has never been unified as one, and I’m beginning to seriously doubt it will ever be that way. It doesn’t surprise me at all that Romney performed best with the 65+ crowd as that is the core of the GOP. Doesn’t surprise me that Obama does well with Blacks, as they typically support Democratic Party candidates almost 9 out of 10 times.

Steve

April 12th, 2012
10:24 am

Yep, Obama single handedly increased the price of gas by going to China and India and increasing demand there.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:25 am

continue the Bush tax cuts which he now owns.

Your concession that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were bad policy from the start is noted.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:25 am

Stevie Ray — “He didn’t close guantanamo”

Because Congress refused to appropriate any funds to pay for the closure. I’m sure you just forgot to mention that.

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:26 am

By this summer it will not matter. Unemployment will be rising. We will have added another trillion to the deficit.

Nothing Obama promised has panned out. His economic war on success will be seen as a failure and his career will resume as a speaker promoting Marxist concepts.

Meanwhile, we would have wasted four years and trillions trying to get this economy out of the proverbial ditch.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:27 am

“continue the Bush tax cuts which he now owns.”

Oh lord (while your statement is true) don’t get Adam started…

n

April 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Next item on the radical right agenda: repealing the 19th Amendment and ending women’s suffrage?
After all, it’s caused nothing but headaches for the guys in charge.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Obama single handedly increased the price of gas by going to China and India

That’s how he spent $200 million per day. Duh.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

Give it ten more years and the 75+ white male crowd probably won’t remember any of this.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

his performance among women aged 18-49: He loses that core group by a startling 31 points, 64-33 percent. That’s basically a 2-1 advantage for Obama.

Why, those ingrateful, uppity uterati.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

By this summer it will not matter. Unemployment will be rising.

I’m so saving that one.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

He didn’t close guantanamo

When was the last prisoner transferred into Guantanamo?

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
10:29 am

Its rotten statism GOP/DNC Romney/Obama versus Freedom Ron Paul……..Stupid versus Intelligence.
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Put that in your bong…….and paint it green.
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It REALLY IS that simple.
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The youth realize it.
Time is on our side………………………..if America has enough of it left.(the Q-Tips and government parasites probably won’t go gently into the night).

kitty

April 12th, 2012
10:30 am

One reason I voted for Obama in the primaries is I thought he would be less polarizing than Hillary, but I greatly misjudged the issue of race in this country. It is still a very hot and divisive topic sadly. How else can you explain the irrational hysteria against Obama. Even Bill Clinton didn’t get this much irrational weirdness beyond a few name calling of socialist. Has to have a racial component.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:30 am

The data tells me that young people are more willing to judge a person on his character rather than on his race. Martin would be proud of that.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:31 am

TO ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS

If it happened on BO’s watch, he owns it. He owns OBL killing, drone successes, economic recovery same as he owns gas prices, guantanamo promise and Bush tax cut repeal promise he previously made. If his HCare gets zapped, he will be easy target….he will not be able to continue to ride “not my fault” agenda given all this crap…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:31 am

Lyman: Free pot for all? I’m sure that’ll grab a lot of people. After all, as humans we can only focus on ONE issue at a time, right?

Joe

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

The Republicans are screwed long term. Democrats have done a great job of playing and influencing the trend. As Democrats see non-whites as supporting Democrats they have made it easier for non-white immigrants to come to this country to increase the Democrat’s results in elections. Even before whites are no longer in the majority in the 2030’s the Democrats will have a lock. The Democrats don’t really care if this immigration policy is good for the country or not (it isn’t). The immigrants surely appreciate how Democrat sponsored affirmative action gives them preferential treatment over the white natives of the US. Plus the immigrants get social welfare that wasn’t available in the countries they came from. It’s really an easy choice for them who to vote for. As LBJ, implementer of major social welfare stated, “I’ll have those n*****s voting Democrat for the next 200 years”.

Mr_B

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Not so sure if the country is more divided than ever; or if those who previously never had a voice in the political arena finally have a president who at least occasionally voices their concerns.

Ira in East Lake

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Well, wait till Ann hits her full stride and we’ll have to see what sort of panderbear Mitt is with his VP pick.

Polls now don’t mean so much to me but these are heartwarming numbers.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Stevie Ray: So does the President “own” the fact I have an awesome girlfriend that I started dating under his watch?

St Simons - codewords are the new black

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

The bad news for you, cons, is “demographics” hahaha
we get to use your codeword back on ya

Our demographics are getting bigger, ebby dayyy
Yours is a fetid shrinking pool of cess
Man, I enjoyed typing that

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

Stevie Ray — “If it happened on BO’s watch, he owns it.”

Excellent. So Bush owns 9/11 and the stock market/real estate meltdown. Thanks!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

As LBJ, implementer of major social welfare stated, “I’ll have those n*****s voting Democrat for the next 200 years”.

I’m so sure you ave proof of that.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

BRO,

He promised to close Guantanamo and regardless of the reasons, his leadership skills and constitutional acumen could’t close the deal could they?

On a more serious note; where do I sign for the free pot??? Yummy

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:33 am

“So does the President “own” the fact I have an awesome girlfriend that I started dating under his watch?”

He probably did have something to do w/ brainwashing her….

(couldn’t help it)

willie lynch

April 12th, 2012
10:35 am

President Obama gets elected and gun ownership goes crazy. It is sad but this group of middle aged white men are in serious denial about the changing demographic of not just America but the world.

They seem like a collective of Willie Lomans.

Mr_B

April 12th, 2012
10:35 am

“If it happened on BO’s watch, he owns it.” Sure was damn nice of the President to allow the sun to come up this morning.

And these guys claim WE think he’s the Messiah?!

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
10:35 am

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2012/apr/12/romney-lacks-hispanic-support/

Shocked, shocked, that a presumed Presidential nominee from a party that embraces the likes of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and whose most vocal adherents make a point of crying big ol’ tears any time their beautiful minds are traumatized by hearing “Para espanol, oprima el dos”, might have a wee problem with them es-spanglishified folk.

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
10:36 am

“This country has never been unified as one, and I’m beginning to seriously doubt it will ever be that way”

And I see that as a good thing. It is large groups of people who follow “group think” who do the most damage in the world.

barking frog

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

interesting matchup.
I wonder which vice president selection
will most decrease those gaps.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

stevie ray

You still didn’t answer the question. When was the last prisoner transferred into Guantanamo? Even easier, when was the last detainee captured, high value or not?

The Obama Administration has not captured anybody. Dude’s been killing them all. Congress wouldn’t fund the closing of Guantanamo, and Obama has put an end to the intake process.

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

free POT?
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sheesh…………..your proggies want everything to be free.
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Repeat after me……………THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.
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Ron Paul supporters learned that in Grade school.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

“It appears the War on Women is for real suckers.”

Said by one who has no problem with the DNC advisor blasting non-working women.

Hilarious!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Peadawg @ 10:33a: I wouldn’t be surprised if someone made that argument seriously. Obama-Svengaaaaaaliiiiiiii!

Gordon

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Obama has shown ZERO leadership on the most important issue of our day: debt/deficit/unfunded liabilities. Someone else should get a chance based on that alone.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

JOE MAMMA

Depends who you ask…911 is off the table to be sure…but yes, history will reflect he owns the other stuff…deficit, picking wrong countries to invade without getting spit in return etcetera. You can’t be selective and suggest all successes of either can be assumed without assuming the bad crap as well….can you now???

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Lyman: Well good luck persuading people on the single issue of pot, anyway.

JF McNamara

April 12th, 2012
10:39 am

I wish they had broken the data into regions as well. How do southern white men fare versus northeastern or western white men?

Penny Pincher

April 12th, 2012
10:39 am

“Stevie Ray — “He didn’t close guantanamo”

Because Congress refused to appropriate any funds to pay for the closure. I’m sure you just forgot to mention that.”

let’s not forget his party controlled both the house and the senate for his fisrt two years

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:39 am

Brosephus: The Obama Administration has not captured anybody. Dude’s been killing them all.

:D

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:40 am

Gordon: Obama has shown ZERO leadership on the most important issue of our day: debt/deficit/unfunded liabilities. Someone else should get a chance based on that alone.

Good luck persuading people with that.

n

April 12th, 2012
10:40 am

A core principle of law is “stare decisis” It means “the matter stands decided” by decades of court decisions and case law. If Obamacare is overturned by the SC it is because they are ignoring decades of prior SCOTUS decisions interpreting and expanding the Commerce Clause. It is practically unthinkable except that the Roberts Court has already demonstrated that it is capable of ignoring precedent.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:41 am

Speaking of Ann Romney-so she never worked out of the home and has 5 kids. How many maids, nannies, drivers, gardeners do you suppose she had and has now? I happen to like Ann Romney and can imagine being friends with her even though she has to be a bit out of touch. I’m sure she has no idea what a gallon of milk costs and probably has never been in a grocery store.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

let’s not forget his party controlled both the house and the senate for his fisrt two years

Without a filibuster proof majority, and without 60 senators that “caucus” with the democrats until later in 2009, that don’t vote in lockstep anyway. I’m sure you just plum forgot that part.

my 2 cents

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

That’s what Obama wants. Obama knows the stupid people far outnumber the people with some sense. Thus, if he can get them, he’ll win re-election.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Stevie Ray — “Depends who you ask…911 is off the table to be sure”

You said that anything that happened during Obama’s term is owned by Obama. 9/11 happened during Bush’s term. By your own logic, he owns it.

“You can’t be selective and suggest all successes of either can be assumed without assuming the bad crap as well….can you now???”

I’m not the one trying to do that. *You* are.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Becky: Speaking of Ann Romney-so she never worked out of the home and has 5 kids. How many maids, nannies, drivers, gardeners do you suppose she had and has now?

Why criticize such an obvious JOB CREATOR? :D :lol:

JF McNamara

April 12th, 2012
10:42 am

@Gordon,

It’s most important to you. I think most folks were more concerned about the great recession. He did a pretty good job on that.

Also, Bush made things drastically worse. Had he not run up a debt with ongoing deficits and passed medicare part D, maybe those things aren’t so pressing. Were you complaining then? I was.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:43 am

Penny Pincher — “let’s not forget his party controlled both the house and the senate for his fisrt two years”

And do you know when the actual vote was taken, or are you just taking a shot in the dark?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:43 am

That’s what Obama wants. Obama knows the stupid people far outnumber the people with some sense. Thus, if he can get them, he’ll win re-election.

Too bad the stupid people (i.e. low effort thinkers) lean conservative: http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract?rss=1

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:44 am

BRO,

Weak herring…he promised to close it not simply shut it down to new business….it seems most of the targets where already rounded up unless I’m mistaken…do you know of any combatants who were specifically put elsewhere? I don’t know the answer but my post relative to his promises remains germaine.

All of those suggesting BO et al are responsible for illogical smartarse suggestions are those quick to give BO credit for economic recovery and getting OBL despite the facts that others set the table and no evidence exists that any policies or leadership (certainly not Stimulus) made a tremedous difference…Bush’s legacy will reflect similar reflection about how the economy performed, how many of our kids died fighting inappropriate wars and the Cheney factor…

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:45 am

@Adam

“By this summer it will not matter. Unemployment will be rising.

I’m so saving that one.”

Don’t worry I have already saved it, so I’ll make it easy for you.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article9553-why-job-growth-will-be-turning-negative.html

http://www.nolanchart.com/article8700-obamas-goose-is-simmering.html

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
10:45 am

Guess Romney can kiss that non-white vote goodbye. Go ahead and pick Rubio, get you 3-4 points, max.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

I still think the vp will be paul ryan.

ty webb

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

the overall margin is 7 points(not sure what the margin of error is and don’t really care)…Comes down to which group turns out to vote…I, personally, am not in the GOP, but if Romney can persuade white, male, “racists” like me to show up at the polls, and he gets a few white , female “racists”, then it should be a close election.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

JF MAC,

There’s your sign…how long can your President Trillion lay all current woes on prior administrations? Take credit for the good, deny ownership for the balance. You really think any of his policies for economy worked? Very suspect indeed…

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

Off topic, but funny as hell…. Ol’ Newt is giving Fox the “business”. :)

In what some might consider an act of GOP political suicide, Newt Gingrich slammed Fox News earlier this week, saying that the cable news channel has favored Mitt Romney throughout the 2012 Republican race–and that CNN has been the more “fair-and-balanced” network this cycle.

“I think Fox has been for Romney all the way through,” Gingrich said during a meeting with Tea Party leaders in Delaware on Wednesday, according RealClearPolitics.com, which said it was granted access to the private event. “In our experience, Callista and I both believe CNN is less biased than Fox this year. We are more likely to get neutral coverage out of CNN than we are of Fox, and we’re more likely to get distortion out of Fox. That’s just a fact.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-cnn-less-biased-fox-news-141511492.html

The ego has a way of writing checks that one’s ass will have to cash at some point in the future. It’s gonna be interesting to see Newt spin his way out of this one. :lol:

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
10:46 am

Romney also has an advantage in the fact that it is white males writing all the voter ID laws, redistricting the maps, etc.

“No manipulation over here…it’s all legal…it’s all good….OH, LOOK, BLACK PANTHER!”

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:47 am

ty-why do you put racists in quotes? “racists”

Stonethrower

April 12th, 2012
10:47 am

We really had a divided country under President Lincoln! Congressman Joe Wilson with his “you lie” is proof enought for your chart above.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:48 am

EJ Moosa: So not only do I get to say you’re wrong HERE, but I get to say you’re wrong on ANOTHER SITE as well? Awesome!

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:48 am

Stevie Ray — “All of those suggesting BO et al are responsible for illogical smartarse suggestions are those quick to give BO credit for economic recovery and getting OBL despite the facts that others set the table”

Translation: Obama’s responsible for the bad things that conservatives point out and doesn’t deserve credit if conservatives don’t want to give him any.

:roll:

Don't Tread

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

“Under Obama, America more divided than ever”

You were expecting a different result?

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

JOE MAMA

Pretzel logic…that’s like trying to blame FDR et al for pearl harbor…get a real debate proposal….lame.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

You really think any of his policies for economy worked?

Yes.

Next question.

Steve

April 12th, 2012
10:49 am

We’re divided because the uber rich plutocrats have conned the racist low-lifes into voting against their own interests via wedge issues.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
10:50 am

I remember a poll taken during the Reagan-Mondale race. Respondents were asked their views on a number of issues. At the end of the poll they were told which candidate held those views. Most were aligned with Mondale. But, when asked who they planned on voting for, most answered ‘Reagan.’ The reason? They felt they’d be better off economically under Reagan than under Mondale.

We now have a little shift in that. Republican ranks and conservative cable are full of people who make nowhere near a million dollars a year, but they vigorously defend their right to be even better off than they are now. When asked how they’d fare personally, many respond with slogans about economic theory or aspirations of being rich someday.

No, they’re not more selfless than those Reagan-Mondale respondents. Just more susceptible to manipulation.

And the majority who aren’t seem to be coalescing around Pres Obama.

Morning, Becky

“How many maids, nannies, drivers, gardeners do you suppose she had and has now?”

Oh, less than Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt have, I’d imagine -

:-)

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:51 am

Well, Adam,

I have not been wrong on the jobs analysis yet.

But you go ahead and give it your best shot.

Becky

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

Morning Paul.

But Paul, Angelina and Brad are movie stars! They actually work! Just kidding, kinda

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

stevie ray

Not weak at all. Obama does not write legislation. Congress does. Obama does not control Congress, ergo, Obama had no way of passing legislation to close Guantanamo all by himself. The Mamby Pamby Congress is who you should be laying blame on when it comes to closing Guantanamo. If I cut your customer base off 100%, have I not effectively shut your business down? Seems that there were still high value targets left when Obama was sworn into office unless you don’t consider Bin Laden and Al Awlaki as targets. As I said, Obama has been killing them all since he got into office. I don’t necessarily agree with that tactic, but that’s his thing.

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Adam

Was I wrong with my assessment? :)

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

“Too bad the stupid people (i.e. low effort thinkers) lean conservative:”

Dang! And all this time I thought there were pretty intelligent people living in North Fulton. I guess all the solid high schools in North Fulton are a mirage also. I need to move down there to where all the smarties live in Clayton, South Fulton, DeKalb.

Maybe I can move into Hank Johnson’s district & help him stabilize Guam from tipping over.

williebkind

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

I love reading how some white men try to persuade others he is white only in skin color. Now that is the kind of person who really has a Identity problem.

Aqua girl and Becky– have you left the stove on?

Jay

April 12th, 2012
10:52 am

As a rule, the “You’re too stupid to know I’m right” argument has very little market appeal. But hey, go with it if that’s all you’ve got.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:53 am

JOE MAMA,

My argument is that BO gets credit and blame for what happens on his watch whether good or bad (the 911’s aside)..if he gets a second term and continues his childish whining about the hand he is dealt, his memoirs will be labeled “not my fault but I did get OBL and a temporary respite from crap economy..I will give him that.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
10:53 am

Morning, Finn

“Go ahead and pick Rubio, get you 3-4 points, max.”

I do get a kick out of those who were apoplectic over the experience issue with Obama, who ‘ooooh’ and ‘aaaaah’ over Marco Rubio.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:53 am

Stevie Ray — “Pretzel logic…that’s like trying to blame FDR et al for pearl harbor…get a real debate proposal….lame.”

I was talking about *your* debate proposal there, Champ. :roll:

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:54 am

JAY,

My experience is that the moment the name calling ensues, the debate is conceded by the name caller…you agree?

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:54 am

EJ Moosa: So you’ve been doing predictions that the unemployment rate would drop, across all metrics (U-1 to U-6) for the past 7 months, prior to it happening?

If so, I apologize for my misstatement.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:56 am

Stevie Ray — “My argument is that BO gets credit and blame for what happens on his watch whether good or bad (the 911’s aside)”

You don’t get it. If you toss 9/11, then you have no credibility.

If you want anyone to buy your argument that Presidents own *whatever* happens on their watch, good or bad, then you need to stop trying to throw out 9/11.

Unless and until you accept that, I can’t possibly take you seriously. And none of the rest of your argument is even worth reading after that point.

MiltonMan

April 12th, 2012
10:56 am

“Guess Romney can kiss that non-white vote goodbye”

And how is this specific to Romney chief??? This has been the case for decades pal.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
10:56 am

JOE,

I will accept the CHAMP label as it happened on my watch…appreciate the debate gotta go make the donuts..be good.

Ayn Rant

April 12th, 2012
10:57 am

Politics has divided America into red and blue states along the geographical and philosophical lines of the War Between the States, 1861-1865. And we all know what came of that!

The division is sustained by that minority of the voter-age population who actually vote in elections. For example, Deal was elected Governor by 53% of the people who actually voted, but only 18.5% of the voting-age population of the state.

At some point, as the economic and social fabric of the red states continues to crumble, the non-voting adults will come from the shadows to vote their interests, and the red states will turn deep blue.

Paul

April 12th, 2012
10:58 am

Finn

Oh, and they also like Rubio because of all those minority votes he’ll attract……

It just gets better and better.

EJ Moosa

April 12th, 2012
10:58 am

No, Adam,

I have been predicting employment would be rising, following the rise inthe rate of profit growth year over .

And it’s been longer than seven months….