The anniversary that Mitt Romney wants to forget
This is pretty funny, and even more damning. It was put together by American Bridge 21st Century, a pro-Democrat PAC to mark the sixth anniversary of the signing of RomneyCare into law in Massachusetts:
I continue to be astonished that the party that claims to see ObamaCare as a fundamental threat to American liberty could nominate a man with this as his signature political achievement.
Are the rest of supposed to just pretend it never happened?
– Jay Bookman
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godless heathen
April 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
Are we going to have to go to Arlington Cemetery and remove all the crosses and Stars of David etc from all the headstones? They are on Federal land.
I am certainly a big promoter of the separation of church and state, but who in the heck is harmed by the Camp Pendelton Memorial? If it comforts the superstitious people, the rest of us can ignore the crosses.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
“So you think the government should be able to regulate my decision not to buy a product or service?”
They did when they made you go out and buy that cable box converter so you could watch TV.
(forgot who on here already pointed that out)
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
Towncrier — “Why not let each individual family decide for their fallen loved one? Maybe a cross beside individual names if so desired?”
Why does a family have to use Federal land or facilities to pursue a *family* memorial? Can’t they do that in their home or on land they themselves own?
Adam
April 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
That Black Guy: *YOU* inserted the word JOB
Worthless semantics. If you’re making the case that raising her kids, as all that she did, was “work” in the sense that it is being related to other work by the person who said “she has never worked a day in her life,” it’s obvious she meant Ann hasn’t held a job, and that the person refuting that is setting up child rearing at home as a job.
Now, I realize you have some sort of obsession with finding fault in what I say, but what I said in this one is pretty damn sound. It also has absolutely nothing to do with arrogance on my part.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
TBG @ 4:20
At times……….. I have to say you are correct……….
hahahahaha
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
4:25 pm
Adam
April 12th, 2012
4:15 pm
Oscar: Saying it is unconstiutional simply because you think is a bad idea that should not have been passed is a misuse of the courts and of the constitution.
As someone once said, paraphrasing, the question as to whether or not a law is dumb is very different from the question as to whether or not a law is Constitutional.
_________
Are you quoting me from two weeks ago or is that just a coincedence.
Scooter
April 12th, 2012
4:25 pm
I can understand Mitt’s reasoning; he allowed Massachusetts legislators to give the majority what they wanted, it is a deep blue state after all. It seems it would be something people like Jay would appreciate? But hey, you all acted like you appreciated McCain’s “moderation” too.
Americans want their government to put its fiscal house in order. But as usual, democrats want to increase taxes on the minority first and leave us to “hope” for the spending cuts. Like America hasn’t been to this rodeo before, unfortunately too many have an undying trust in politicians.
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
Jamvet
“Reed, who stressed he is “confident both Gov. Romney and his campaign know they have to build bridges to conservatives”
And if Romney gets elected, it’s evangelicals who darn well better start building bridges to him!
Remember the furor after Bush the Younger was elected and told evangelicals ‘thanks for your help, now get lost”?
getalife
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
Happy Birthday Romneycare.
Did he govern more liberal than our President?
TaxPayer
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
When all the authors and original parties are dead, it’s hard to tell what they meant in case of a dispute.
No doubt about that.
Adam
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
With that, I am out for the day.
Get over being butthurt over stuff I say, some of you. You’re free to scroll right past it.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
Well, the fact is, if a hundred per cent of the people in this country agree on something, they can amend the constitution to do it if they want. And that’s something all the founding fathers agreed on, and wrote about. That is why they provided that the constitution could be amended.
(ir)Rational
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
JOE COOL – But there is an out for that. I could just chose to not watch TV. I’m not required to own a TV. Nor am I required to use that TV. I am now required, or rather will be required to purchase a product simply because I exist. There is no out for that short of leaving the country.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
“It’s indeed a travesty that a small group of narrow minded people would go to such an extreme”
Soooooo many things I could say to that…
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
godless @ 4:23
While I agree with JHM in principle……………. IMO there is so much more to be concerned about
But I do respect her stance and thoughts without a doubt..
Just not as high on my priority list
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
TBS — “JHM Maybe a symbol is added for every religious ideology and sect that has ever been represented and is currently represented in the military………. Me personally…………. I think there are bigger fish to fry than that issue. However I do respect your stance and calling out what many of those who do not agree with you end playing a semantics game with the symbolism…………… End of the day it is your tax dollars and right to speak up as much as it is anyone else’s”
FWIW, there are a LOT of different religious symbols that can now be placed on headstones in military cemeteries. There’s even an approved atheist symbol.
http://www.cem.va.gov/hm/hmemb.asp
Aquagirl
April 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
AquaGirl – 3:57 – I am not religious. That was just an observation. Leaping to conclusions is no way to go thru life.
Oh, sorry, I didn’t know you like the idea of “lowlifes” getting sh*t from an angry NASCAR crowd just because….I dunno, you enjoy such spectacles for their own sake? My deepest apologies. Apparently you are a freelance sadist.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
TaxPayer
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
When all the authors and original parties are dead, it’s hard to tell what they meant in case of a dispute.
No doubt about that.
_____
My company paid $50,00 to settle a case in just those circumstances. Original parties to a deed were all dead. Still think my interpretation was correct but too dangerous to litigate.
Recon 0311 2533
April 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
“I am certainly a big promoter of the separation of church and state, but who in the heck is harmed by the Camp Pendelton Memorial? If it comforts the superstitious people, the rest of us can ignore the crosses.”
That is the proper perspective on this issue.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
Carlos — “Joe Hussein Mama – 4:00 – I never said you “low lifes” did not have the right to express your views. Nor did I say every “low life” would object to the same things. Like AquaGirl, you do not engage brain befor shifitng mouth.”
Speak for yourself. You called those people “low lifes” without having the least effing idea what they’re objecting to or what the ACLU does and doesn’t do.
You’re uninformed and ignorant, and insulting to boot. That said, if you can man up and admit you were wrong to use the term “low lifes,” I’m man enough to accept that and share some knowledge with you.
barking frog
April 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
Nancy Pelosi got her
famous quote from
observation of the
founding fathers who
passed the constitution
to see what was in it and
then amended it ten times.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
“But there is an out for that. I could just chose to not watch TV.”
True, yet the same doesnt hold true for hospitals to NOT treat you due to you not having insurance.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:30 pm
b. frog — “would two crosses widely spaced be a religious symbol?”
Don’t you think that a *single* cross is a religious symbol?
getalife
April 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
It is good to have something to believe in but get your religion out of my politics.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
“That’s an acceptable idea. We could invent a special place called a “cemetery” and let everybody put what they want on a small plot of land, called a “grave.””
Snark of the day. Love it.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
Adam
April 12th, 2012
3:16 pm
(ir)Rational: I agree with your points. Just saying that putting it in the context of “it’s a woman’s job to stay home with the kids” is insulting.
________________________________________________________________________
Adam, who has said that other than YOU?
TaxPayer
April 12th, 2012
4:32 pm
The only problem with those superstitious people is if you give them a millimeter they’ll insist on a mile.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:33 pm
Towncrier — “Yes, it does. Look at history. The 1896 Plessy ruling *proves* that. The majority of the SCOTUS voted to suppress the (unrecognized) rights of blacks.”
To adapt your own words, that was a problem 50+ years ago, and we’ve moved beyond that.
“I guess I could make the equally absolute charge that clearly you are not for protecting against a tyranny of the minority.”
You could, but you’d be wrong. I’ve already pointed out many ways in which a collaborative solution could be reached. You’ve offered nothing besides ’suck it up and come back in a century, atheist.’
Scooter
April 12th, 2012
4:34 pm
Oh, how about this… I can’t believe democrats can so adoringly support a President who ordered the execution of an American citizen without affording them their due process. Anwar Awlaki anyone?
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
4:34 pm
Paul, I recently read a great article by Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and current candidate for President of the United States of America.
He talked about how he worked closely with Romney and “how solid he was”. He explained how he was a moderate who could never have won the Massachusetts state house otherwise.
But now? He says he can’t even recognize him.
THAT is the magnitude of the sell out that Romney has become on his transparent fools errand.
Pandering to the evangelicals has become the Judas kiss of death.
Time for a Space in Time…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrwk9SvdaLk
Towncrier
April 12th, 2012
4:35 pm
“Towncrier: You’re making the case that you have a different interpretation of what the ninth amendment means. And that’s fine. But having that argument is separate from having an argument that treats that matter as settled. And it seems to me your argument stems from the idea that the ninth amendment can be essentially ignored in favor of the tenth.”
No. The 9th was included to placate the Federalists who supposed that since the Constitution gave only those powers to the federal government it enumerated, the Bill of Rights wanted by the Anti-Federalists would imply that these were the only rights available to people. That is why I see it as more of a disclaimer. Bork considered it an inkblot it said so little definitively. But what rights are referred to in the 9th is a matter of much debate. Some have argued state’s rights. The SCOTUS is not necessarily right about everything, don’t you know? If the rights refer to those of the people, then only those rights enjoyed at the ratification of the Constitution should logically be in view – and not, say, a right to gay marriage. Because otherwise you have the SCOTUS defining rights when, in fact, in was the Congress that did so for the first 200 years of our nation’s being. The SCOTUS defining individual rights goes only back to the time of Roe vs. Wade. We have amendments giving women, blacks and 18 year olds the right to vote for instance. This can be done for every other right. Minority rights can be defined and protected by individual states.
barking frog
April 12th, 2012
4:36 pm
JHM
not if it represents where
a thief was hung.
getalife
April 12th, 2012
4:36 pm
You don’t want Shaia law here so that is getting your religion out of politics.
Be consistent cons..
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:37 pm
Recon — “Their chain of command on the base had no problem”
Wrong. Read your own link.
“Torpey says the original Marines, while good intentioned, overstepped their bounds by building a shrine without approval or notice from the Corps.”
“nor did their fellow Marines. It was esoteric among those who had deployed and lost fellow warriors.”
That’s beside the point.
“I’m surprised you don’t understand that and would join with this small group who would trivialize the supreme sacrifice these men made”
I’ve done no such thing. I’ve pointed out several ways in which the memorial could be amended to satisfy everyone involved.
“by promoting a self serving agenda that really dosen’t effect them in anyway.”
Please explain to me precisely how removing the crosses is a “self serving agenda.”
pogo
April 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
It is fascinating to see how fast the liberals eat their own. Ms. Rosen is a prime example. Obama threw her under the bus faster than he threw the dis-honorable Rev. Wright, which is very fast. What I do find comical is Obama talking about Michelle being forced to work back in Chicago. For some mysterious reason, really high paying jobs that weren’t that well defined and which weren’t that important just appeared for her in much the same manner that the road was laid open before Obama and his career. Obama has never been exceptional in his contribution to our society in any endeavour either prior to or after he became president. He was and is nothing special but someone somewhere saw him as a means to an end (at least they thought this). His sponsors crafted and molded their puppet in the image they wanted him to be. Obama is nothing but an image as there is really no substance there at all.
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
Scooter
“a President who ordered the execution of an American citizen without affording them their due process.”
What makes you think due process wasn’t afforded?
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
G. Heathen — “Are we going to have to go to Arlington Cemetery and remove all the crosses and Stars of David etc from all the headstones? They are on Federal land.”
Formal approval was sought for those religious symbols, and anyone of any faith (including atheists, humanists and freethinkers) can petition the VA to have a symbol added if there’s not an approved one that suits a given veteran.
“I am certainly a big promoter of the separation of church and state, but who in the heck is harmed by the Camp Pendelton Memorial?”
Harm isn’t the issue.
“If it comforts the superstitious people, the rest of us can ignore the crosses.”
Why should we?
getalife
April 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
pogo,
I think the dems are commies bs is a better distraction.
Aquagirl
April 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
not if it represents where a thief was hung.
Are our Marines celebrating the military tradition of soldiers nailing thieves on pieces of wood? Geez, now I’m really against this.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
Recon 0311 2533.
“a self serving agenda that really dosen’t effect them in anyway.”
Just out of curiosity…you always seem to post these things about groups taking down religious symbols in public places, and your argument always seems to be that the groups or individuals doing away with these symbols are selfish about not thinking about what others may feel from seeing these symbols.
Yet, do you ever look it at it from the other perspective? How would you feel if all of these symbols were Crescents? Would you feel the same way?
I would argue that it is less Christ-like to demand everyone view your religion’s symbol at the expense of their discomfort, than to think of everyone’s comfort. I thought you carried Christ in your heart, not on a mountain.
Towncrier
April 12th, 2012
4:41 pm
Why does a family have to use Federal land or facilities to pursue a *family* memorial? Can’t they do that in their home or on land they themselves own?
The answer should be obvious: the soldier died for his or her country and should honored by that country if the family so desires. What is wrong with my proposal? Why should a grieving family have to pay for and maintain a private memorial because you are offended by a cross being placed next to his or her name???
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
Recon — “That is the proper perspective on this issue.”
How would you feel about it if the crosses were removed and you were asked to simply ‘ignore’ the fact that they weren’t there any more?
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
re: hank Johnsot and Guam.
Many are saying he didn’t mean what he said.
1) How do you know he didn’t mean it?
2) Can people be THAT stupid and still be elected to congress?
If your answer to 2 is no, I say you need to pay more attention.
Mr_B
April 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
Jm: I understand your clarification. I thought you were referring to the ACA.
However Romneycare isn’t the only factor
“The state has been hit hard by the housing downturn and the weakening economy. It has proposed cuts to education and health care but is now facing an even larger-than-expected shortfall and is considering additional cuts”
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/12/1218_shortfall_states/17.htm.
What’s Georgia’s excuse?
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:43 pm
JamVet
“But now? He says he can’t even recognize him..”
That’s my experience.
If one wants to apportion fault, I’ll offer it’s the fault of the Republican special interest power broker zealots. Anybody who doesn’t do the limbo when they whistle is going the way of Huntsman.
It’s interesting, isn’t it? Before Romney got lost in ConAppeasement Land, both he and Huntsman, both LDS running for national office, were perceived as practical moderates more interested in solutions than in labels.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
4:43 pm
Howdy Paul,
“Actually, what was argued before the Court was that they were regulating the point of payment.”
Very interesting point. I hadn’t really thought of it that way.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
4:43 pm
I say just mount a great big old Star of David, a Star & Crescent, an Om, a Dharmacakra and a Five-pointed Star within a Circle and we’ve almost got it covered, heathen.
Wouldn’t want to forget about comforting those superstitious types.. (grin)
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:44 pm
b. frog — “JHM not if it represents where a thief was hung.”
Good point. We’d better remove them, just to be sure. Then we can start over and make it a non-sectarian memorial. We wouldn’t want anyone to see any of those thief-hanging kinds of crosses up on a hill at Pendleton and get the wrong idea.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
4:45 pm
Anybody who doesn’t do the limbo when they whistle is going the way of Huntsman.
Too funny.
Are you sure limbo is not a typo for Limbaugh?
How do you spell Republican?
P – u – r – i – t – y T – e – s – t.
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:46 pm
JamVet
“Pandering to the evangelicals has become the Judas kiss of death.”
And that’s the rub. They have to turn traitor to get the nod. Then they have to repent and turn from their misguided ways and purify themselves of the taint of their former evangelical associates.
And hope people buy it.
getalife
April 12th, 2012
4:46 pm
We are beating China on green energy.
Thanks Obama.
Need more investments to control our energy policy.
barking frog
April 12th, 2012
4:46 pm
AquaGirl
did you think the three
crosses depicted the
trinity ? urine may have
been involved when they
were taken down.
Towncrier
April 12th, 2012
4:47 pm
How do you spell Democrat?
P-r-a-c-t-i-c-a-l-l-y-a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g-g-o-e-s.
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:47 pm
jewcowboy
Attorneys can come up with some novel explanations when trying to sell a point to the minds on the Court.
Aquagirl
April 12th, 2012
4:48 pm
I say just mount a great big old Star of David, a Star & Crescent, an Om, a Dharmacakra and a Five-pointed Star within a Circle and we’ve almost got it covered, heathen.
I demand a plate of spaghetti.
http://www.venganza.org/
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:48 pm
Towncrier — “The answer should be obvious: the soldier died for his or her country and should honored by that country if the family so desires.”
Fine. Then they can bury that veteran in a Federal military cemetery, have the religious symbol of their choice emblazoned on the headstone, and return as much as they like to place symbols, remembrances, flowers or other items on that grave, and no one will bother them. Everyone wins.
“What is wrong with my proposal? Why should a grieving family have to pay for and maintain a private memorial”
If they’re not satisfied with interment in a Federal military cemetery, then I think they *should* have to pay for and maintain a private memorial.
“because you are offended by a cross being placed next to his or her name???
Who said I was offended?
Mr_B
April 12th, 2012
4:48 pm
And again to Jm.
http://www.masstaxpayers.org/files/Health%20care-NT.pdf
For the first four years of Romneycare.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
4:48 pm
jewcowboy @ 4:40
While I have already stated that this issue is not one of my top prioroties, along with the 10 commandments in courthouses, it strikes me that many people I have personally talked too or heard on tv…… are not for this “symbolism” as it is coily
Recon 0311 2533
April 12th, 2012
4:48 pm
Joe, evidently you neglected to read it yourself or you would have known what the Col. a ranking Camp Pendelton officer had to say. Apparently, you only read Torpey who doesn’t speak for Marine Corps command. godless heathen has the correct point of view. Once again this was not intended to be a religious memorial. Have you ever been in Washington D.C. and saw all of the Christian symbolism? I’m certain that if you have based on your personal views you ignored them and there isn’t anything wrong with you doing so. Torpey and his little group should do the very same thing and since they’re not Marine Corps or base personnel they’re well buffered from the symbol they resent so much.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
Towncrier,
“Why should a grieving family have to pay for and maintain a private memorial because you are offended by a cross being placed next to his or her name?”
To reiterate Aquagirl’s comment…isn’t that what a grave is for?
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
JamVet
“I say just mount a great big old Star of David, a Star & Crescent, an Om, a Dharmacakra and a Five-pointed Star within a Circle and we’ve almost got it covered, heathen.”
When Bosch returns I’m sure he’ll agree to do a Pagan dance naked in the moonlight dedication for ya’.
Towncrier
April 12th, 2012
4:50 pm
“Fine. Then they can bury that veteran in a Federal military cemetery, have the religious symbol of their choice emblazoned on the headstone, and return as much as they like to place symbols, remembrances, flowers or other items on that grave, and no one will bother them. Everyone wins.”
That suits me.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
4:50 pm
phrased by some when other religions are mentioned…………
I can’t say that is all people by any means, but many do NOT want other religions symbols in the same places that they will debate and argue for their own………………….
But it is just “symbolism”, right?
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
4:51 pm
jewcowboy
Apologize for the split response to your 4:40… you will have to read my 4:48 and 4:50
Aquagirl
April 12th, 2012
4:52 pm
urine may have been involved when they were taken down.
I watched some pretty interesting stuff on the mechanics of crucifixion last weekend. And my answer is still no, I must have missed that part.
barking frog
April 12th, 2012
4:53 pm
JHM
empty space would be non
sectarian or maybe atheism.
Towncrier
April 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
Out…gn all.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
re: hank Johnsot and Guam.
Many are saying he didn’t mean what he said.
1) How do you know he didn’t mean it?
2) Can people be THAT stupid and still be elected to congress?
If your answer to 2 is no, I say you need to pay more attention.
___________
I think he used the wrong words. It was correct to inquire if Guan had a sufficient hard rock base to withstand the weight of the proposed construction without some sinking. Much like the ground under the Georgia Tech dorms sank. Some islands are made of coral and could not support heavy infrastructure. Capsize was not an appropreiate term. Why Hand used that word is something to ask him.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
They BOTH suck,
“you will have to read my 4:48 and 4:50″
I was wondering
“But it is just “symbolism”, right?”
A salient point.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
Recon — “Joe, evidently you neglected to read it yourself or you would have known what the Col. a ranking Camp Pendelton officer had to say.”
Approval was neither sought nor granted. You know as well as I do that structures/facilities on military posts aren’t put up at the behest of the post CO or provost; they require approval at higher headquarters.
“Apparently, you only read Torpey who doesn’t speak for Marine Corps command.”
And that COL doesn’t speak for higher HQ.
“godless heathen has the correct point of view. Once again this was not intended to be a religious memorial.”
Fine. Then we can remove the crosses and the issue goes away.
“Have you ever been in Washington D.C. and saw all of the Christian symbolism?”
I worked in DC for almost two years. You do realize that the vast majority of the District *isn’t* Federal land, don’t you?
“I’m certain that if you have based on your personal views you ignored them and there isn’t anything wrong with you doing so.”
You know, I participated in the Godless Americans’ March on Washington in the fall of 2002, and there were over 30 different theist groups there picketing us. You think they could have ignored us? (laughing)
“Torpey and his little group should do the very same thing and since they’re not Marine Corps or base personnel they’re well buffered from the symbol they resent so much.”
Who said anyone resented crosses?
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
Towncrier — “That suits me.”
Excellent. We are in agreement on that point then.
n
April 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
Most insurers are linked by national and international risk-sharing reinsurance contracts. See e.g. Lloyds of London. If that ain’t interstate commerce, I don’t know what is.
FEMA mandates flood insurance. etc. etc. FHA mandates mortgage insurance. It’s all evolved over decades. Obamacare cannot be thrown out without undercutting decades of federal law.
The alternative that the Right embraces is not states’ rights vs. federalism, it is”every man for himself”–aka anarchy. They would demolish the whole structure and evolution of American jurisprudence.
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
Recon
“Have you ever been in Washington D.C. and saw all of the Christian symbolism?”
Masonic symbolism.
Wassamatta, you never saw ‘National Treasure’?
Paul
April 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
Recon
Then again, Christian symbolism, Masonic symbolism, same basic stuff.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
4:57 pm
Jeez, Crier is trying to Joe Biden me.
Aquagirl, you crack me up. I love your take on things.
That site is crazy cool.
I did watch a wonderful old movie, The Song of Bernadette recently. The beautiful Tulsa-born, 24 year-old Jennifer Jones played the French girl in Lourdes who saw the visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary. She won the best actress for the role. In her third film ever!
It was compelling because I found myself challenging my own assumptions about such tales and was really cheering for the protagonist.
If you get the chance, I really recommend it…
(ir)Rational
April 12th, 2012
4:57 pm
I’m out. Y’all have a good evening.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
b. frog — “JHM empty space would be non sectarian or maybe atheism.”
Non-sectarian, IMO.
People can certainly bring their religious texts to such a memorial and pray, read and reflect to their hearts’ content. I just don’t think that religious symbols belong there, particularly absent some sort of official consideration and imprimatur. And certainly adherents of other faith and philosophical traditions should be given the opportunity to sound off before permanent plans are made.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
“Once again this was not intended to be a religious memorial.”
Yes, certainly, because when I see giant white crosses I naturally think of something else besides the Christian religion. Just like when I see a Star of David I naturally think of coasters, or when I see a Crescent I think think of seashells.
(Actually truth be told, when I see almost anything I think of sex, but that just may be me. I’m not that evolved.)
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
5:03 pm
TBS — “I can’t say that is all people by any means, but many do NOT want other religions symbols in the same places that they will debate and argue for their own…………………. But it is just “symbolism”, right?”
So they say, but they often give themselves away.
The no-sales-on-Sunday adherents tried to shift their argument, claiming that they only wanted on day where alcohol wasn’t sold, but I doubt you’d have been able to convince them that it should be, for example, Tuesday instead of Sunday.
Hey, people are still off work on Sundays. How come they can’t buy a six-pack then? Everyone’s back to work by Tuesday, and the hangover has worn off, so let’s make Tuesday the no-drinkie day.
What say you, Sunday-sales opposers? Would you have accepted that?
Jack Daniels sold on Sundays. Hallelujah!
TaxPayer
April 12th, 2012
5:07 pm
When I see a Crescent, I think of Pillsbury. And dinner. And Rolls. And margarine or butter.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
5:08 pm
JHM
While not having the same passion on the issue as you do, it is so transparent………
Just bring up other religions and their “symbols” being given the same access on government property and a good percentage will not agree or change the subject………
Paul
April 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
BOTH suck
It’s like when I drive thru towns and see “Dave’s Christian Bookstore’ with a huge sign out front.
I wonder what reaction would be from the Planning Commission and citizens if it were to read “Dave’s Muslim Bookstore.”
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
5:11 pm
TaxPayer,
“think of Pillsbury”
Are you saying the Doughboy is a Muslim secretly trying to install sharia law in the US?
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
5:11 pm
TBS — “Just bring up other religions and their “symbols” being given the same access on government property and a good percentage will not agree or change the subject………”
Or just look on this thread. Two people accused me of being ‘offended’ by the christian cross.
It’s hard to make that accusation credibly when one of my suggestions was to make the memorial site non-sectarian and include other symbols.
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
5:12 pm
They BOTH suck,
“a good percentage will not agree or change the subject………”
Kind of like my questions to Recon that never received answer?
“Yet, do you ever look it at it from the other perspective? How would you feel if all of these symbols were Crescents? Would you feel the same way?”
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
5:13 pm
jcb — “Are you saying the Doughboy is a Muslim secretly trying to install sharia law in the US?”
All shall bow to His Yeasty Goodness.
WHITE FLOUR!
jewcowboy
April 12th, 2012
5:13 pm
Paul,
“I wonder what reaction would be from the Planning Commission and citizens if it were to read “Dave’s Muslim Bookstore.”
Or “The Love Shack: Adult bookstore”
Recon 0311 2533
April 12th, 2012
5:14 pm
“Approval was neither sought nor granted. You know as well as I do that structures/facilities on military posts aren’t put up at the behest of the post CO or provost; they require approval at higher headquarters.”
Joe now I’m certain you didn’t read the entire article or viewed the video. That fallen Marine warrior memorial had been there for 10 years. You honestly believe that base command as well as in all probability Marine Corps command were unaware of it’s existence? You don’t know much about Marine culture but you shouldn’t be expected to know much. Camp Pendelton is a large military reservation with a lot of remote infantry training areas. This memorial is way out in one of the most remote areas of the base. Torpey and his little group of people haven’t even been there. The chain of command would and did not have a problem with what was built on that remote hill because it was non-obtrusive and it provided a morale boost for troopers going through multiple deployments.
barking frog
April 12th, 2012
5:14 pm
jcb
don’t know about sharia
but he shot linda in the back of the head.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 12th, 2012
5:14 pm
Adam
April 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
That Black Guy: *YOU* inserted the word JOB
Worthless semantics. – Adam, do/have you EVER made an arguement based on semantics?
If you’re making the case that raising her kids, as all that she did, was “work” in the sense that it is being related to other work by the person who said “she has never worked a day in her life,” – Make a hole and make it wide, GOALPOSTS coming through!
it’s obvious she meant Ann hasn’t held a job, and that the person refuting that is setting up child rearing at home as a job. – and you read her mind? Or did you believe her revised explanation after she started catching heat for her statements.
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Once, again, do you ever read what you post?
Aquagirl
April 12th, 2012
5:14 pm
empty space would be non sectarian or maybe atheism
No, atheists are stuck with a whirly-atom that looks like something from “the Jetsons.” I really think a plate of spaghetti would be more dignified.
Check out 45. That’s how Leonard Nimoy came up with the Vulcan hand greeting, but I don’t think it would be appropriate for me to steal someone’s sacred symbol just so passerby could look at my marker and go “Trekkie!” I’m tacky, but not that tacky.
http://www.cem.va.gov/hm/hmemb.asp
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 12th, 2012
5:16 pm
Adam
April 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
With that, I am out for the day.
Get over being butthurt over stuff I say, some of you. You’re free to scroll right past it.
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It’s more fun giving you some of your own medicine.
Read your posts sometimes.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
Recon — “Joe now I’m certain you didn’t read the entire article or viewed the video. That fallen Marine warrior memorial had been there for 10 years. You honestly believe that base command as well as in all probability Marine Corps command were unaware of it’s existence?”
Didn’t say they were *unaware* of it. I said that approval was not granted, and that’s supported by your own link.
“You don’t know much about Marine culture but you shouldn’t be expected to know much. Camp Pendelton is a large military reservation with a lot of remote infantry training areas. This memorial is way out in one of the most remote areas of the base. Torpey and his little group of people haven’t even been there. The chain of command would and did not have a problem with what was built on that remote hill because it was non-obtrusive and it provided a morale boost for troopers going through multiple deployments.”
Marines are not cowboys, and they don’t get to set their own rules.
Now, I’ve made several suggestions about how we could meet in the middle on this. Do you have anything constructive to recommend that we could discuss?
TaxPayer
April 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
My wife will not let me have anything other than whole wheat crescent rolls.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
jewcowboy @ 5:12
BINGO……………….
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
Hey Aquagirl. they’ve got the Jews for Jesus thing right above that one! I’ve got one of those!
josef, would love #12.
Also, I totally did #32.
And #16 is great.
This is starting to sound like I’m ordering off of a Chinese menu…
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
5:21 pm
Aquagirl — “No, atheists are stuck with a whirly-atom that looks like something from “the Jetsons.” I really think a plate of spaghetti would be more dignified. ”
I personally find the Humanist symbol (#32) much more dignified than the Atheist symbol.
Lyman Hall
April 12th, 2012
5:23 pm
Just a drive by————-
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If its on property that the Federal government has stolen from some individual………..then the only symbol, sign, or insigna authorized should be something that depicts the Federal government.
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I would suggest the Nazi Deathhead or maybe a mushroom cloud.
No one should want The cross or star of David anywhere near a Federal facility……or what they stand for.
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Carry on.
Aquagirl
April 12th, 2012
5:23 pm
I personally find the Humanist symbol (#32) much more dignified than the Atheist symbol.
I look at it and think “YMCA,” or “men’s room.”
barking frog
April 12th, 2012
5:24 pm
aqua girl
he’s dead, jim.