Charges reportedly pending in Trayvon Martin death

While we still don’t have anything close to a full accounting of the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin, the prosecuting attorney assigned to investigate apparently believes that she has uncovered enough cause to press charges:

From the Washington Post:

Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey plans to announce as early as Wednesday afternoon that she is charging neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation.

It was not immediately clear what charge Zimmerman will face….

Corey told reporters Tuesday night that she would hold a news conference about the case within 72 hours. A news release from her office said the event will be held in Sanford or Jacksonville, Fla.

If charges are filed, it would validate public outrage at the fact that prosecutors initially declined to pursue the case against Zimmerman. It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty; it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision.

– Jay Bookman

890 comments Add your comment

Bosch

April 11th, 2012
3:26 pm

Good. I think its pretty obvious the guy over stepped his authority – or rather lack of it.

Bosch

April 11th, 2012
3:26 pm

Firsties? Oh, yes!! It’s been so long.

Fred ™

April 11th, 2012
3:27 pm

2nd degree murder or manslaughter at the very east.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:30 pm

He’s guilty! Or at least many have already decided it to be so.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:30 pm

The guy was a wannabe cop.

When Jeb Bush and the Republicans passed the “Stand your ground” law this is the eventual outcome.

Vigilantism.

Forgot the police ill shoot first and ask questions later.

Also im pretty sure the law only works one way.

If a black man had shot a white man and claimed self defense he would have been under the jailhouse two months ago with a capital murder case awaiting him.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:33 pm

“If charges are filed, it would validate public outrage at the fact that prosecutors initially declined to pursue the case against Zimmerman”

Nope. If charges are filed its probably more due to political pressure and intimidation politics than anything else.

Funny but I remember in Jay’s column about this last week that Jay said the police did practically no investigation. The next day it was revealed that they grilled Zimmerman for 5 hours when they took him into custody that night. No investigation huh Jay?

carlosgvv

April 11th, 2012
3:33 pm

Now that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have started to get “justice for Travon”, how long will it take them to come to Atlanta and organized demonstrations for “justice for Irvin”. Who is he, you ask? He is that 18 year old black man who, while unarmed, was gunned down by two black security guards. It can’t be that Jesse and Al are only interested in Travon because he was shot by a white-Hispanic and care nothing for Irvin because he was shot by two blacks. Can it?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:34 pm

I mean seriously, a 17 year old kid armed with Skittles and a Sweet Tea should make it back to his house without worrying about being followed and ultimately shot.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:34 pm

“If a black man had shot a white man and claimed self defense he would have been under the jailhouse two months ago with a capital murder case awaiting him.”

Not intended to be a factual statement.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

Zimmerman is guilty of shooting and killing Trayvon and a trial is the only logical step to take in order for justice to be served.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
3:36 pm

I doubt there’s much evidence.

She probably has some bs charge b/c of public outrage. Hell, the DA couldn’t even come up with something.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:37 pm

It can’t be that Jesse and Al are only interested in Travon because he was shot by a white-Hispanic and care nothing for Irvin because he was shot by two blacks. Can it?

Yes it can and should be.

Black on Black crime is punished very harshly in this country already

White violent crime against minorities not so much.

They are totally justified in what they are doing.

Mid Ga Retiree

April 11th, 2012
3:37 pm

Since the news media has already tried and convicted him, why not just go ahead and announce the sentence.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:38 pm

She probably has some bs charge b/c of public outrage

Funny when 17 year old kids with skittles are gunned down in the street sometimes “BS” charges follow.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

Since the news media has already tried and convicted him, why not just go ahead and announce the sentence.

That will come later when he has a trial. Finally.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

“Since the news media has already tried and convicted him, why not just go ahead and announce the sentence.”

No kiddin….

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
3:40 pm

Since every Republican from here to Spokane has already exonerated him, why not just go ahead and forgo the trial?

Howard University Trayvon Martin

April 11th, 2012
3:41 pm

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:41 pm

“It can’t be that Jesse and Al are only interested in Travon because he was shot by a white-Hispanic and care nothing for Irvin because he was shot by two blacks. Can it?”

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Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

Since every Republican from here to Spokane has already exonerated him, why not just go ahead and forgo the trial?

Exactly. I mean he was BLACK and he did have skittles and a hoodie.

Maybe he deserved to be shot.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
3:43 pm

JamVet, how is this a republican vs. democrat thing? What an idiotic comment.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:44 pm

“Black on Black crime is punished very harshly in this country already

White violent crime against minorities not so much.”

More non factual statements posing as factual. Just another person who doesn’t understand the difference between an opinion and a fact.

Gordon

April 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

How about that? The system worked. Just like it would have without all the rabblerousing.

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
3:46 pm

just wanted an investigation..

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:46 pm

JamVet,

I don’t think anyone has exonerated Zimm. What people like me are saying is that there are 2 sides to every story and lets let the facts come out. How and why people on here have already convicted the man without knowing all the facts is amazing. It speaks more to bloodlust and hate than anything else.

JohnnyReb

April 11th, 2012
3:46 pm

“If charges are filed, it would validate public outrage at the fact that prosecutors initially declined to pursue the case against Zimmerman. It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty; it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision.”

Nope

It means the prosecutor bowed to political pressure, plus bringing charges was a given.

Why with all the controversy did she not empanel a grand jury?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

More non factual statements posing as factual. Just another person who doesn’t understand the difference between an opinion and a fact.

Very very factual.

Normally I dont respond to you maam but you are an idiot.

It is very true that black on white crime is punished FAR more severely in this country than white on black crime.

It aint even close.

Aquagirl

April 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

Since the news media has already tried and convicted him, why not just go ahead and announce the sentence.

So sorry your Constitutional right to stalk black men is being violated.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:49 pm

How and why people on here have already convicted the man without knowing all the facts is amazing. It speaks more to bloodlust and hate than anything else.

A 17 year old kid with skittles was gunned down in the street. It took two months and alot of political pressure just to get this far. And you wonder why people are upset?

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:49 pm

“Am I Suspicious?”

I dunno. Are you one of them guys that we see every night on the local news caught on camera holding up a liquor or convenience store and wearing a hoodie. I can’t remember the last time I saw one where the perpetrator wasn’t wearing a hoodie.

JohnnyReb

April 11th, 2012
3:49 pm

Holy Cow, Thulsa. I wrote my post looking at Page 1, then low and behold on page 2 where it posted the first part of your and my posts are almost identical.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
3:50 pm

Peadawg, wake up and read their comments.

The first night this topic showed up here, corporal by the numbers went through some of the most incredible spine pretzeling maneuvers I’ve ever seen, to defend the killer.

Including cutting and pasting completely irrelevant links about how blacks dress when they go to interviews.

He further went on to say that wearing a hoodie is stupid. Even when it is drizzling out.

Don’t ask me, his particular brand of racism is hard to figure out.

He was not alone.

The kid was black and “suspicious”. That is all they need.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
3:50 pm

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

Why do you automatically not mention Zimmerman’s side that kid followed him back to his car and started beating him?

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
3:51 pm

@Thula
I don’t think anyone has exonerated Zimm. What people like me are saying is that there are 2 sides to every story and lets let the facts come out

I agree. The facts not coming out is what started the uproar. The parents asked for the 911 tape. The parents wouldn’t release them..After a couple of weeks they called Sharpton to help..the 911 tapes were released soon after.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:51 pm

So sorry your Constitutional right to stalk black men is being violated.

Well put.

Again do you think if this had been a 17 year old white kid shot by a black man it would have taken this long ? Would he have been able to claim self defense ?

Are you really that stupid ?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:54 pm

Why do you automatically not mention Zimmerman’s side that kid followed him back to his car and started beating him?

Hadn’t heard that one. Is that what he is claiming this week.

Funny with a broke nose none of the police noticed and he wasn’t taken to a hospital.

Why is that ?

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
3:54 pm

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

Why do you automatically not mention Zimmerman’s side that kid followed him back to his car and started beating him

Assuming that is true. Why did Zimmerman get out of the car when 911 told him the police were on their way?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:55 pm

I dunno. Are you one of them guys that we see every night on the local news caught on camera holding up a liquor or convenience store and wearing a hoodie. I can’t remember the last time I saw one where the perpetrator wasn’t wearing a hoodie.

Wow…. Just wow….

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
3:56 pm

“Why did Zimmerman get out of the car when 911 told him the police were on their way?” – Who knows but by doing that…what law he break?

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
3:56 pm

Thulsa, he killed that kid. Why?

Whether it was justified remains to be seen.

Also, Peadawg, ask yourself why NOT ONE misnamed conservative here even made mention of those two whites in Tulsa who killed those black people randomly last week.

Seems like Corporal would have been ALL over that one, huh?

Since he and 71 and more than a few others here are completely obsessed with black on white crimes and post links every single chance they get to further that argument.

But he, nor any of them, has made nary a peep about it.

To this day.

Hmmm, wonder why that is?

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
3:56 pm

Thulsa Doom
April 11th, 2012
3:49 pm

Wow….

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
3:57 pm

Pea – In that instant he became the aggressor and was no longer “standing his ground.” Which means the law he has been hiding behind doesn’t apply to this particular case.

JF McNamara

April 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

No one here knows what happened, so you’re yelling back and forwards for no reason. Frankly, I don’t really care about the outcome anymore.

Zimmerman and Martin’s family will get their day in court. If my kid had been killed, I would at least want that. Justice has been served in my mind.

JohnnyReb

April 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

It looks to me there are more people wishing the case has something to do with race than there are those who actually just want justice

Sorta like the NBC producer who was fired for deleting the audio where the dispatcher asked Zimmerman about the boys race?

If there is not some crap about race constantly being stirred, what excuse would some have for their inability to assimilate?

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

“A 17 year old kid with skittles was gunned down in the street.”

If your mind is that of a simpleton then of course that’s how you would view it. Unfortunately its not quite that simple. Allegedly when the cops told Zimm to break off following Tray he did. He then get out of his truck to walk up to an apt building to copy down the address to call it back in to the cops. When he walked back to his truck he was allegedly confronted by trayvon who allegedly asked him if he had a problem. He replied no to which trayvon allegedly replied “you do now” and jumped him. This is Zimm’s story and the story is pretty consistent considering the only eyewitness said T was on top of Z “pounding his head into the concrete”. Its also consistent that when the paramedics came Z had a bloody nose and a laceration “on the back of the head”, allegedly from being jumped on and beaten by Trayvon. Zimm’s story has been pretty consistent, the injuries he suffered are consistent with his story, and then there is the matter of the one eyewitness whose testimony further backs up Zimm’s account of what happened.

What you simpletons can’t seem to understand is that once he broke off and was just walking back to his truck he was allegedly then attacked by T. At that point its a case of self defense if indeed the attack went down this way. And proving that it didn’t go down this way is a pretty high bar to prove according to what some have said on here regarding Florida law.

Not saying Zimm is innocent. Just saying that so far he looks to be pretty consistent and that once again there are 2 sides to every story. Or are you and Maxine Waters and the “no justice, no peace” lynch mob ready to hang him without a trial? Because from what I’ve read on here a lot of you have already convicted the man without giving any semblance of a thought regarding his side of the story.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

“even made mention of those two whites in Tulsa who killed those black people randomly last week.” – I haven’t seen that on ajc, yahoo, etc (we already know the media is biased). Got a link?

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
4:00 pm

“In that instant he became the aggressor and was no longer “standing his ground.” Which means the law he has been hiding behind doesn’t apply to this particular case.”

But IF what Zimmerman says is true, if all Zimmerman did was walk up to Martin, ask him some questions and walks away…then Martin becomes the aggressor when he follows Zimmerman back to his car and beats him.

I’m really interested in what charge and what the evidence is.

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
4:00 pm

“Why did Zimmerman get out of the car when 911 told him the police were on their way?” – Who knows but by doing that…what law he break?

No laws were broke but not listening let to at someone’s life being lost..His life might be lost as well.

Bosch

April 11th, 2012
4:01 pm

That kid had more right to defend himself — he was being stalked by a dude with a gun. The “Stand Your Ground” law is more relevant to Martin attacking himself than Zimmerman.

We have no place in our society for vigilantes.

Bernie

April 11th, 2012
4:01 pm

Jay. oh how this story line goes aginst the very comments you made a week or so ago on this subject matter. Zimmerman will get his day in court, he will get arrested and he will quite proably be found guilty. As a non minority person your view and many of your commenters here have a far different perception of the U.S. crimminal justice system. The reality of all minorites experience in this system is the real world and how it truly operates. The Sanford Police Dept as well as many other police departments around the nation are just as corrupt. Just look at some of the most recent cases here in Atlanta. The most egregous was MRS. JOHNSTON. a Old Black woman living alone having her door kicked in during the night on LIES and TRUMPED up charges. Intially as in Travon many readers supported the police version until the Federal Govt exposed all of the lies involved. To this very day I fear any local policeman or woman more than any TERRORIST from abroad.

Get your CROW sandwich prepared for DINNER! it wil be served shortly!

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
4:02 pm

Pea – Just a “both sides of the story” type question. Did Martin have the right to stand his ground and defend himself if he felt (obviously with reason) that Zimmerman was a threat to him?

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
4:04 pm

” Just a “both sides of the story” type question.” – Exactly. It’s just pathetic that the media and so many others forget Zimmerman’s side.

Again…lookin’ forward to 6 pm tonight.

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
4:05 pm

Pea – I’m not forgetting his side of the story, but it has to be one heck of a story before I’m going to think there was anything even close to justification for him shooting an unarmed teenager in the street.

JohnnyReb

April 11th, 2012
4:05 pm

This thread is amazing. Not one of you have any offical, factual information but you know exactly what happened, who is gulity, and that it all comes down to race. You are not any better with this than you are with your politics.

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
4:06 pm

Allegedly when the cops told Zimm to break off following Tray he did. He then get out of his truck to walk up to an apt building to copy down the address to call it back in to the cops. When he walked back to his truck he was allegedly confronted by trayvon who allegedly asked him if he had a problem.

if he uses that defense he’s going to jail.. a regular resident might not know where they are at but someone who is watching the gated community knows where they are and can describe it to police from the vehicle..

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
4:06 pm

OFF TOPIC

Anyone else seen the rumor about there being no crash (have you seen the photo? motorcycle is gently laid on a tree branch). The girl’s fiance allegedly followed them and whooped Petrino’s ars. No wounder Petrino didn’t call the cops.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:08 pm

“Thulsa, he killed that kid. Why?”

JamVet,

I think all the way around its just a horribly unfortunate event. But if Zimm and that’s a big IF he is telling the truth and that he was jumped on the way back to his truck after breaking off pursuit then its a clear cut case of self defense- Self defense if trayvon was indeed on top of him breaking his nose with punches and pounding his head into the concrete. According to the eyewitness this is what happened and that Zimm was looking at him and pleading “help me, help me”. If the man really was getting the crap beat out of him and thought he was going to be killed is it any wonder he pulled for his gun?

Sure Zimm could have avoided the entire situation by not playing wannabe cop. But if he stopped pursuit and was going back to his truck when he was allegedly attacked by Trayvon then at that point he is in a defensive posture. Seems to me that a lot of people on here simply don’t care to hear about this and already made up their minds regardless of the facts and in their bloodlust they want him . And that is a shame.

And lastly I’m not saying the man is innocent. He may well be guilty. I’m just saying that lets let the system run its course and let all the facts come out.

Aquagirl

April 11th, 2012
4:09 pm

Why do you automatically not mention Zimmerman’s side that kid followed him back to his car and started beating him

Just for the record, if I am ever shot to death while fighting a creepy stalker, I’m not offended if you put them on trial. I have this quaint notion that someone stalking me with a gun may present a threat.

Of course as a white hoodie-less women lacking Skittles and iced tea, I am entitled to that notion.

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
4:09 pm

Pea – I was/still am confused about what exactly the controversy is. Did he hire her because she was his mistress? Or did that start after she started working? I mean, he is getting a lot of crap for having an affair.

carlosgvv

April 11th, 2012
4:09 pm

Pass the Chessy Grits Please – “Black on Black crime is punished very harshly”

And yet, the two Black men involved in the shooting of Ervin were questioned by the police and then released. Meanwhile, Ervin’s parents are pleading for justice to be done. Looks like someone forgot to tell the police in this case that “Black on Black crime is punished very harshly in this country”.

Bernie

April 11th, 2012
4:10 pm

Its truly a SHAME that in 2012 African Americans are still having to resort to Loud Protest and MARCHES in the street just to get basic justice equality in America. The days after 911, the claims that “We are all Americans NOW” was never true then and it is still not true TODAY! The difference between now and then was mainstream America felt threatened.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
4:11 pm

Where is Zimmerman. Shouldn’t he be standing his ground.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
4:12 pm

“Did he hire her because she was his mistress?” – That’s what it looks like.

The reason he was fired is because he wasn’t upfront w/ the affair after the “crash”. Plus an SEC school put family values before winning, which is nice.

Bernie

April 11th, 2012
4:13 pm

Aquagirl @ 4:09 pm – “Why do you automatically not mention Zimmerman’s side that kid followed him back to his car and started beating him”

BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY! DO YOU UNDERSTAND!
THAT IS A UNVALIDATED AND UN SUPPORTED RUMOR BY THE FACTS ON THE GROUND!

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:13 pm

Bosch,

If Zimm allegedly broke off pursuit and was on his way back to the truck then how is he still stalking Trayvon if he is now in the posture of walking away from the pursuit? And how is it stalking if Trayvon came around the other side and attacked Zimm. After all we do know that T was on top of Z kicking his ass according to the only eyewitness on the scene.

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
4:14 pm

And yet, the two Black men involved in the shooting of Ervin were questioned by the police and then released. Meanwhile, Ervin’s parents are pleading for justice to be done. Looks like someone forgot to tell the police in this case that “Black on Black crime is punished very harshly in this country”.

it’s black on black crime even though the guys were security guards? Everytime a black police officer shoots a black person that must be black on black crime as well..

St Simons - we're on Island time

April 11th, 2012
4:14 pm

The AM radio clowns is nuttin up over this, 24/7
I listen to the enemy, and I’ve been wondering, ‘why this obsession’?
Now I think I understand why.
Its a perfect orgasmic storm of every teapotty wingnut hot button issue.
“They gon take yore gunz”
“hooded black kid” emphasis on words with “hood” in them
“white man can’t defend his sov-rin-teh”
vigilante justice – yay
“badges? – we don’t need no stinkin badges”
the repressed Clint Eastwood hiding in these Walter Mitty cons
the cop/authority fantasy delusion
stalking with a pickup truck
It’s all there.

I’m so glad this is a shrinking fetid pool of disordered viscera,
shrinking every day as we march forward into the 21st century.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
4:14 pm

I’m glad to see people beginning to agree that there should have been plans for a trial all along.

Butch Cassidy

April 11th, 2012
4:15 pm

Apparently folks on here weren’t aware that “skittles” is code for the Glock 9mm semi automatic with armour piercing rounds. Zimmerman acted accordingly.

Disclaimer: None of the above should be considered, re-posted or cited as actual fact.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
4:15 pm

“BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY!” – You got proof?

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
4:16 pm

Pea – Who is ever upfront about an affair? Isn’t that kinda built-in to the definition? If he hired her because of their relationship, he probably deserved to be fired. However, I’m more than a little surprised that an SEC school put anything before football.

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
4:16 pm

I was/still am confused about what exactly the controversy is. Did he hire her because she was his mistress? Or did that start after she started working? I mean, he is getting a lot of crap for having an affair


the issue isn’t the affair. The issue is that he hired her over 115 candidates, despite her having no experience. He had to be fired..and that still might not stop the lawsuits…plus I didn’t even mention he gave her 20k..

AngryRedMarsWoman

April 11th, 2012
4:16 pm

“I mean, he is getting a lot of crap for having an affair.”

With a subordinate…who received a strange $20k payment from the department at his direction. Not just some simple affair, but one that exposed the school to all manner of sexual harassment/discrimination claims. Don’t crap where you eat….or you won’t be eating there for much longer.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:17 pm

“BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY!”

Were you there Bernie? Or are you psychic and know for a fact that it didn’t happen the way Zimm said it happened?

” DO YOU UNDERSTAND!
THAT IS A UNVALIDATED AND UN SUPPORTED RUMOR BY THE FACTS ON THE GROUND!”

Bernie do you understand that Zimm’s account is at least partially validated by the only eyewitness on the scene? And do you further understand that Zimm’s broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head are also consistent with his story?

And do you also understand that according to some people on here who supposedly know the Fla. law better than you or I that the burden for the state to emphatically prove that Zimm is lying about his account of what happened is very high?

Butch Cassidy

April 11th, 2012
4:19 pm

In other news, when questioned about the firing of Coach Petirno and his alleged affair with a 25 year old woman. Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich commented ” Hey, who hasn’t” ?

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:19 pm

Buckeye,

Its not just the legal exposure that Petrino brought to u of ark by hiring his mistress. Its also the fact that he lied to his boss about the whole situation initially. Not good.

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
4:20 pm

Bernie do you understand that Zimm’s account is at least partially validated by the only eyewitness on the scene?

Validated which part of the account? Martin following Zimmerman to his car?

Contrarian

April 11th, 2012
4:20 pm

Good. Dude was trigger happy and deserves to be punished.

Lyman Hall

April 11th, 2012
4:22 pm

Let this be a lesson…………………………….NEVER call the Cops.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
4:22 pm

If charges are filed its probably more due to political pressure and intimidation politics than anything else.

Nope. If it were political, he would have been charged long ago.

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carlos

If you go back and look, Dekalb Co. “charged” those guys with impersonating an officer. That means they were a-r-r-e-s-t-e-d. Big difference between the two cases. Dekalb is still investigating that case as well.

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JamVet

Seems like Corporal would have been ALL over that one, huh?

If I remember correctly, Scout did address that case, and Paul or somebody else gave him accolades for calling it the same as he’s called the Martin case.

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Pea @ 4:00

That’s a very big IF. From what I’ve seen in the police reports, eyewitness statements, and heard on the 911 tapes, Zimmerman’s story does not match the evidence of the case. His legal team will have to work hard to make that IF sound plausible.

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
4:23 pm

Thulsa
Its not just the legal exposure that Petrino brought to u of ark by hiring his mistress. Its also the fact that he lied to his boss about the whole situation initially. Not good

oh that was a bad part..BUT he took that school to a BCS game and was on track to have another good season..I don’t think lying would have hurt Petrino because he making the school a lot of money. I doubt the boosters would’ve went along if it was all about lying..

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
4:23 pm

Yeah, I haven’t really followed the Petrino thing too much. Didn’t really care. Now throw me some good red-meat about Richt getting fired for having an affair and I’ll start paying attention.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
4:23 pm

Peadawg, I would wager that there is not one major website in this country that did not carry this story extensively.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/documents-2-suspects-confessed-1412158.html?printArticle=y

http://news.yahoo.com/2-charged-murder-tulsa-shooting-rampage-142411298.html

And yet every single racially obsessed con here seems to have “missed” it.

Here are some excerpts for the corporal, 71 and the rest of them:

Two held on $9 million bail in Tulsa rampage

Two Oklahoma men were held on more than $9 million bond Monday following a shooting rampage that claimed three lives, injured two, and shook Tulsa’s black community.

Alvin Watts, 32, and Jake England, 19, appeared before Judge Bill Hiddle via teleconference from the Tulsa County Jail Monday. They wore orange jumpsuits and said nothing as the judge set bail in a session that lasted less than two minutes.

The two men are held on suspicion of three counts of first-degree murder, two counts of attempted murder and one count of possession of a firearm with intent to kill, NBC News reported, in a shooting spree that targeted people in predominantly black neighborhoods.

“Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a f—— n—– it’s hard not to go off between that and sheran I’m gone in the head,” he wrote, according to the Tulsa World.

Sheran was Sheran Hart Wilde, England’s fiancée, who killed herself in January.

Those killed in the alleged shooting spree were identified as Dannaer Fields, 49, Bobby Clark, 54, and William Allen, 31. All are black.

Nary a peep.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:24 pm

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
4:11 pm

“Where is Zimmerman.Shouldn’t he be standing his ground.”

You would probably be in hiding too if there was a million dollar bounty on your head and Al and Jesse and others were ratchetting up the “no justice, no peace” lynch mob crowd. Judging by the experinces of his parents of death threats and such and of the couple who were harassed with Spike Lee’s erroneous tweet Zimmerman has good reason to fear the vigilante mobs.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
4:24 pm

“In other news, when questioned about the firing of Coach Petirno and his alleged affair with a 25 year old woman. Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich commented ” Hey, who hasn’t” ?”

That’s nothing…you must have missed Tiger Woods and Damon Evans’s statements.

Tiger – “Dude, only 1 mistress? Loser…”
Damon Evans – “Did she have red panties?”

:)

Aquagirl

April 11th, 2012
4:25 pm

I mean, he is getting a lot of crap for having an affair.”
With a subordinate…who received a strange $20k payment from the department at his direction. Not just some simple affair, but one that exposed the school to all manner of sexual harassment/discrimination claims.

The amount of men who are all “huh?” about this is scary. If you don’t understand banging your direct subordinates and giving them cash bonuses is not just a personal matter, I sure as hell don’t want to work anywhere you do.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
4:26 pm

TP, I wrote within a day of this breaking story, that the new LAPD – the Sanford Police Dept – would end up with serious egg on their faces for this apparently pitiful police work.

Florida’s GOP governor, Jeb Bush, said he could not understand how there was no arrest…

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:27 pm

Buckeye,

I think the combination of all those things- lying to his boss, putting the school in legal danger of a harassment suit, and the sheer embarassment and humiliation of it all was just too much for him to keep his job. And besides how in the hell would he keep discipline around there if the young men who look up to him see him as nothing more than a liar and a varmint. He wasn’t exactly a role model to begin with.

Don't Tread

April 11th, 2012
4:27 pm

“It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty”

Oh, but wait, yes he is! Jesse, Al, and the rest of the Travelin’ Race Baitin’ Pimpshow said so.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
4:28 pm

Looney Bin

April 11th, 2012
4:28 pm

All I’ve heard since day 1 is to wait for the facts to come out. Now that a special prosecutor has investigated and determined there should be charges filed, many of you simply dismiss it as ‘BS’.

Sounds like you all only wanted to wait for the facts as long as they confirmed your beliefs of what happened that night. Sad.

Contrarian

April 11th, 2012
4:28 pm

Midori

April 11th, 2012
4:29 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
4:30 pm

A vigilante killer hiding from a would be vigilante mob.

Karma.

Bro, if that is true and can be corroborated, I owe him a big apology.

carlosgvv

April 11th, 2012
4:30 pm

Brosephus – 4:22

Yes, they were arrested, but then released. Even though Ervin was unarmed and there was no struggle, these men told police they feared for their lives and then gunned him down. Fairness demands that Ervin get the same justice that Travon deserves. Don’t you agree? Forgive me for saying this, but apperances suggest that neither the police or the Black Community agree.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:31 pm

JamVet,

I wouldn’t blame the Sanford PD too much. They did grill Zimm for 5 freaking hours that night so its not as if they just swept it under the rug. And the lead investigator did recommend to the DA that he be prosecuted. The DA just didn’t think there was enough evidence. The only thing that I guess could have been done and may have been done is they should have called in the florida version of the GBI to help investigate the actual scene more closely. Small town depts just aren’t going to have the same level of expertise or investigatory skill as the FBI or even GBI or a big city dept. But if they grilled Zimm for 5 hours that at least tells me they didn’t just blow off the death of the young man.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
4:32 pm

Not one of you have any offical, factual information but you know exactly what happened, who is gulity, and that it all comes down to race.

I can’t answer for everyone else, but I got my info directly from the city of Sanford. The had all the 911 tapes up and reports before they were asked to remove them by the Ms. Corey.

Divide and Conquer

April 11th, 2012
4:32 pm

Thanks, Jay. Reading that Romney crap is so boring. Racism and guns blogs are much more interesting to read. They really bring out the lefty penchant for hyperbole and insults. Abortion blogs are great too, which is maybe why your last anti-Romney session got converted. :)

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
4:33 pm

TD @ 4:31

good post

Joe Hussein Mama

April 11th, 2012
4:33 pm

Doom — “You would probably be in hiding too”

Don’t you think it’s kinda strange how his own attorneys didn’t know where he was, but he up and calls Sean Hannity out of the blue to ‘get his side of the story out?’

BuckeyeInGa

April 11th, 2012
4:35 pm

Buckeye,

I think the combination of all those things- lying to his boss, putting the school in legal danger of a harassment suit, and the sheer embarassment and humiliation of it all was just too much for him to keep his job. And besides how in the hell would he keep discipline around there if the young men who look up to him see him as nothing more than a liar and a varmint. He wasn’t exactly a role model to begin with.

I agree to disagree..I think it was more about the lawsuit..the AD didn’t show a lot of morals when he hired Petrino from the Falcons during the season

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
4:35 pm

“They really bring out the lefty penchant for hyperbole and insults. ”

Oh yeah… you would never hear hyperbole, insults, rhetoric and talking pts on right wing radio, tv pundits, right leaning blogs or right leaning bloggers on this blog

NEVEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

clown

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
4:36 pm

BuckeyeInGa @ 4:06

There’s a bit more to it than that. Even if he did walk to a building to get the address and was attacked when returning to his truck, the incident would have taken place IN FRONT of a building as the addresses are typically posted so they are visible from the street. The entire incident took place BETWEEN buildings and away from the street where Zimmerman was parked. To get confronted where he allegedly did, he would have had to go past the building where he was trying to get the address, which wouldn’t make sense if you were going to get the address and not follow Martin.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
4:36 pm

In other words, Thulsa, Zimmerman has a selective “stand your ground” philosophy. I’m sure he would have adequate police protection should he choose to turn himself in.

Doggone/GA

April 11th, 2012
4:36 pm

“His legal team will have to work hard to make that IF sound plausible.”

IF he can put ANOTHER legal team together

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
4:38 pm

Doomy, now I’m not sure what to think.

Five hours in custody and they still couldn’t piece together what they could have to make an arrest?

It makes me wonder what the state appointed prosecutor found that they did not?

Divide and Conquer

April 11th, 2012
4:41 pm

“clown”

exactly…LOL

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
4:41 pm

Doggone/GA

April 11th, 2012
4:44 pm

“It makes me wonder what the state appointed prosecutor found that they did not?”

I’ve said all along that it’s the role of the police in this that is the most disturbing. If you watch that video of Zimmerman in the police station…yes, they had him in handcuffs, but at one point as they are walking towards a door Zimmerman goes way on the other side of a motorcycle while the officer takes a more direct route to the door. Now really, is that how a police officer would handle someone he thought had just murdered someone? Let him walk along without keeping physical contact with him?

It’s the police making the decision that they didn’t need to arrest him that I have found the most disturbing all along.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
4:44 pm

Bernie do you understand that Zimm’s account is at least partially validated by the only eyewitness on the scene?

It’s also partially invalidated by that same eyewitness due to the location of the attack. He would not have been in that location if he were only looking for an address and then returning to his vehicle. I wish there was a way to pull up a map here and point that out to you so that you could see why his story does not make sense. That will also show you why the initial investigator probably didn’t believe it when he heard it too.

————————-

Yes, they were arrested, but then released.

There is your difference right there. They were arrested. Zimmerman was NOT. That was the reason for the outrage over the case. The outrage was not because Trayvon was shot by a “White” or “Hispanic” man. The initial outrage was because Zimmerman was not arrested, and it looked like nothing was going to be done. Race played a secondary role until the media jumped on the bandwagon. You would have a valid point if neither of the security guards were arrested at all.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
4:45 pm

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 11th, 2012
3:37 pm
White violent crime against minorities not so much.

They are totally justified in what they are doing.
_______________________________________________________________________________

What does this have to do with the Trayvon case?

Zimmerman isn’t white.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
4:45 pm

Now really, is that how a police officer would handle someone he thought had just murdered someone?

Nope. No officer is trained like that.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 11th, 2012
4:46 pm

About damned time….

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Recon 0311 2533

April 11th, 2012
4:46 pm

This special prosecutor evidently has a reputation for being tough but fair. Additionally, she isn’t up for election or re-election for public office. It will be interesting to learn what her conclusion is and how she came to it.

Generation$crewed

April 11th, 2012
4:52 pm

How many people were here that terrible night? Anyone? How bout someone who has already pronounced his guilt? How about from one who has claimed his complete lack of guilt?

I bet the investigators could use some of u all’s help since u all seem to have the case wrapped up! What a joke!

The police are investigating, the special pros.is going to file charges and everything will be played out in court.

What else does anyone want?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
4:53 pm

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
3:57 pm
Pea – In that instant he became the aggressor and was no longer “standing his ground.” Which means the law he has been hiding behind doesn’t apply to this particular case.
__________________________________________________________________________

As the former Gov of FL and numerous conservatives have stated.

But that won’t stop some from broadbrushing ALL conservatives as defending Zim.

getalife

April 11th, 2012
4:53 pm

The cons wanted to sweep it under the rug but the parents said he ll no.

The parents won.

Doggone/GA

April 11th, 2012
4:55 pm

“Nope. No officer is trained like that”

Thanks Bro. They were treating him like a petty criminal, not like a violent person and that just doesn’t sit right with me. The man had just shot and killed someone.

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
4:56 pm

an african american teenager dead and a hispanic going to jail

those damn white supremecists are smiling

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

Former Black Guy – Yeah, well, people that only refer to conservatives as “cons” or that try and paint all conservatives as having the same views aren’t likely to understand the nuances that some of us might think differently than others. For an example, see the post directly below yours. Almost looks planned.

too little time

April 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

Since every Republican from here to Spokane has already exonerated him, why not just go ahead and forgo the trial?

Wrong. Every Republican from here to Spokane has already said: let the justice system run its course. Most of us are pretty sure that Zimmerman stepped over the bounds of “stand your ground” the second he continued to follow Martin carrying a gun.

It is Democrats who have already convicted Zimmerman of murder, and have proclaimed Republicans to be “racist” for not agreeing.

gm

April 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

I wonder when will scum Hannity and scum Limbaugh denounce the 2 white men who shot the 5 black males in Tulsa for no reason other then they hate blacks.
Al and Jessie did not go there since the killers were white, had 2 blacks went out and shot 5 whites, s time college drop out scum hannity would have blamed the shooting on Obama.

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

I still think they didn’t charge Zimmerman because his Daddy is a retired judge and that’s the same reason he wasn’t prosecuted for assaulting a police officer 7 or 8 years ago. Who you know is still a big deal in our society.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

You morally corrupt boob, his mother is Hispanic, his father is white.

Stonethrower

April 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

If you folks believe so much that Zimmerman was within his rights then put you money where you mouth is and contrubute to his defense funds. Money talks and bull$#!+ walks! You can have T shirts printed up with “Free Zimmermanand” and sale them for $20. Contact Rush, Sean and Fox News and ask for donations because I am sure they our outraged with the miscarriage of justice that will be played out before our eyes!

Simple Truths

April 11th, 2012
4:59 pm

Jay: While we still don’t have anything close to a full accounting, I’ll just go ahead and speculate.

There, Jay, fixed your opening sentence.

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
5:00 pm

jamvet

so OBAMA IS WHITE ………. i knew it……….
mother is white

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
5:00 pm

I’m heading home. Y’all have a good evening.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
5:00 pm

Hannity is a race pimp.

Can’t we just go ahead and waterboard him?

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
5:03 pm

The forensics will be the key, including the voice analysis

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
5:04 pm

No, focus, meat.

He’s a mulatto, or more correctly a quadroon.

That he self-identifies as black is his prerogative.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:06 pm

Local police and prosecutors aren’t always the swiftest bunch. This should have been properly investigated from the start.

Glad it’s now underway and will be settled lawfully. I do wonder where it will be tried, though. The news media’s put out about as much misleading information as I read on this blog. Good luck with jury selection.

Hey Bosch!

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
5:07 pm

dont forget

i agree but most important will be the charges

manslaughter will be easier to prove than murder…………

see how LA messed up trying OJ on 1st degree instead of manslaughter………..couldn’t prove INTENT and PRE-MEDITATION by OJ but most will agree he was spying and saw Ronnie smooching on Nicole and his temper snapped and he acted………….

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

Doggone

I saw that too. Not too long ago, an officer in Mobile, AL got killed by someone. All it took was a 2-3 second move that was caught on camera, and the whole incident was set in motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8231s6FXEvc

Look between the 10-13 second marks and the subject slides a hidden handcuff key off his necklace. Keeping complete control over someone’s hands who you consider dangerous is paramount to your safety.

Aquagirl

April 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

The police are investigating, the special pros.is going to file charges and everything will be played out in court.
What else does anyone want?

For that to happen without months of public outcry and incredible pressure. No thanks to you, Mr. Who Cares, We Don’t Need No Investigation.

Let someone gun down your unarmed kid and walk out after an evening in the police station, I bet you’d have more to say than “we don’t know ’cause we weren’t there.”

getalife

April 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

He told hannity that he could not do the time so he is on the run.

hannity is helping a murderer.

Arrest him.

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
5:09 pm

jamvet

then you can’t claim Zimm isn’t Hispanic……….. why you BN a H8ter

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
5:09 pm

Thanks Joe, you are right. Did you folks ever think about why the special prosecutor refused to take the case to the grand jury? Because a grand jury is made up of citizens in that community, they would decide whether to indict or not, based on the information provided to them. If the info provided about Zimmerman being beaten about the face and head bashing into the pavement is true, the grand jury would have returned a NO BILL(not indicted). It would not have mattered what outside agitators wanted to have done. A special prosecutor( who just happens to be a black Democrat) chose to prosecute without a grand jury hearing the probable cause factual evidence of the case. Sounds like politics to me, I hope Zimmerman does not get rail-roaded by the likes of that special prosecutor and Atty General E Holder, by the way Holder disgusts me. This past week in ATL I saw on tv about a dozen black on black violent crimes, where is the outrage, why not? By the way I am not just another knuckehead, after my military service, I was in Law enforcement for over 30 yrs prior to retirement! Thank god, I am retired!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 11th, 2012
5:09 pm

Well, there we go! What good does it do to pack heat and have a Liscence to Carry if they’re going to arrest you when you feel the need to blast somebody? I mean, he only killed one person—and one of Those People at that—and you’d think he wiped out the whole state of Florida. We ain’t never going to get the point to where I can haul my two machine guns and the antitank weapon I keep for hunting and self-defense if people act like it’s murder every time I pull the trigger. We need a Federal law that says if you feel threatened anytime you can open up with everything you have.

Not that I feel the Federal guvmint is the answer to anything. I mean, I beleive in the 10th amendment and everything. But in this case you got some states that don’t want you to even own a firearm, much less use one. I’m in favor of a federal law if it takes my side of things.

I guess it won’t be long till people start taking up a collection to spring this Zimmerman guy from the hoosegow. And I’m willing to give till it hurts, even if it means doing without half a can of Skoal. I mean, we got to Stand Our Ground.

Libruls—this is why we need a law against them.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
5:09 pm

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
4:13 pm
Bosch,

If Zimm allegedly broke off pursuit and was on his way back to the truck then how is he still stalking Trayvon if he is now in the posture of walking away from the pursuit? And how is it stalking if Trayvon came around the other side and attacked Zimm. After all we do know that T was on top of Z kicking his ass according to the only eyewitness on the scene.
_____________________________________________________________________________

Doomy, you do realize that just because you Start a fight doesn’t mean the you will WIN that fight.

I have seen plenty of fights started by one guy and finished by the attackee.

Just because Trayvon was on top when the witness saw them does NOT mean Zim didn’t start the physical confrontation.

Ever see a MMA fight? They dude on top can change 10 times in 3 imnutes.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 11th, 2012
5:10 pm

getalife — “He told hannity that he could not do the time so he is on the run.”

Did he really say that? I thought Hannity wasn’t going to reveal what they talked about.

Can you provide a citation, please?

getalife

April 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

I bet hannity would snitch zimm’s location.

Interrogate him .

Doggone/GA

April 11th, 2012
5:12 pm

“hannity is helping a murderer”

And how is he “helping” him by talking to him on the phone?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 11th, 2012
5:14 pm

Tom — “Thanks Joe, you are right.”

You’re welcome. :)

I saw you replying to a dead thread downstairs, and I thought you’d appreciate discussing your topic with a full house.

gm

April 11th, 2012
5:14 pm

There were plent rep who were outraged over zimmerman not getting arrested, but when you have scums like hannity and limbaugh trying to justify killing a 17 years old kid, it makes the whole right look like a bunch of race haters.
So it ok to chase after someone and gun them down and claim self defense?
take the race out of it put your own son in this, you would change your mind then.

getalife

April 11th, 2012
5:14 pm

Joe,

We have to get that information from hannity.

He said he is not talking .

Just a guess not a fact.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
5:15 pm

AngryRedMarsWoman

April 11th, 2012
4:16 pm
“I mean, he is getting a lot of crap for having an affair.”

With a subordinate…who received a strange $20k payment from the department at his direction. Not just some simple affair, but one that exposed the school to all manner of sexual harassment/discrimination claims. Don’t crap where you eat….or you won’t be eating there for much longer.
_____________________________________________________________________________

Clinton ate in the WH for how long after his affair?

I know, I know.

I just couldn’t help myself.

getalife

April 11th, 2012
5:16 pm

“And how is he “helping” him by talking to him on the phone?”

Can’t get away with anything on this blog.

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
5:18 pm

and Florida citizens let Casey Anthony walk……………………. whats to stop them from letting Zimm walk as well

Adam

April 11th, 2012
5:19 pm

This always needed to go to trial. I don’t care what laws are in place, it’s suspect enough that the man followed someone against advice, then wound up shooting that person. The in between is a story no one can verify. I do wonder how the prosecution can frame that beyond a reasonable doubt, however, and that depends on the charges.

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
5:20 pm

what took her so long?…Jay already established guilt and a motive(blackness) weeks ago.

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
5:20 pm

get a life
I believe
hannity reads this blog.
You may be in trouble.

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
5:21 pm

bingo adam

involuntary manslaughter will be the charge most troublesome to Zimm defense……….. won’t have to prove INTENT just that Zimm’s actions led to the confrontation which resulted in a death………. hard to defend that

Joe Hussein Mama

April 11th, 2012
5:22 pm

B. Frog — “I believe hannity reads this blog. You may be in trouble.”

I’d say Hannity’s in bigger trouble with a subpoena likely heading his way.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

Tom

“Did you folks ever think about why the special prosecutor refused to take the case to the grand jury?”

Because in that state only first-degree murder charges require a grand jury.

So the prosecutor likely felt there was enough for other charges and proceeded with that.

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

joe H
touche

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
5:24 pm

A special prosecutor( who just happens to be a black Democrat) chose to prosecute without a grand jury hearing the probable cause factual evidence of the case.

I really loathe when people spout off stuff they’ve heard without even a cursory google search to see if there is any semblance of truth to it.

http://www.angelacorey.com/thank_you.php

Campaign Address: P.O. Box 48065, Jacksonville, Fl 32247
Phone: (904) 945-2008

© Copyright 2007-2008 Angela Corey
Political advertisement paid for and approved by Angela Corey, Republican for State Attorney – Fourth Judicial Circuit 2008

Then, there is also this….

http://florida-issues.blogspot.com/2008/08/candidate-profiles-4th-judicial-circuit.html

There is no Democrat in the race, so Republican primary between Jay Plotkin and Angela Corey is open to all voters and whoever wins will replace Harry Shorstein, who is not seeking reelection.

No matter what the truth is, since she’s prosecuting this case, she’s a Democrat.
:roll:

morally corrupt

April 11th, 2012
5:25 pm

prosecutor does not have to have a grand jury indictment to make charges
waste of time if they know they are going to file charges

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
5:27 pm

JHM
I know nothing about it,
and care less.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
5:27 pm

Paul – It is NOT REQUIRED by law, she CHOSE not to do it because those citizens in that community would be seated in the grand jury room! Remember decided by jury of your peers!

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
5:28 pm

(ir)Rational

April 11th, 2012
4:58 pm
Former Black Guy – Yeah, well, people that only refer to conservatives as “cons” or that try and paint all conservatives as having the same views aren’t likely to understand the nuances that some of us might think differently than others. For an example, see the post directly below yours. Almost looks planned.
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(ir)Rational, yeah, I saw the very next post. :lol: Just like Old Faithful

Adam

April 11th, 2012
5:29 pm

Brosephus: Wow. I mean I knew Fox News liked to declare failed Republicans or dissenters as Democrats, but now they have their base doing it too?

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
5:29 pm

it’s doubtful that a hispanic man can get a fair trial when the victim looks like the President’s hypothetical son.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
5:30 pm

Bro

“and black……………………”

that was a great post……………..

You are on your A game today

Ryan

April 11th, 2012
5:32 pm

Jay is a trash journalist with no actual facts in this article or any others. He’s one step above a gossip columnist, and 4 steps below an actual human journalist. Charges were filed because of the outrage. He will be found innocent. Jay = suck.

Matti

April 11th, 2012
5:32 pm

Somebody owes Ms. Corey and the good people here an apology.

Adam

April 11th, 2012
5:33 pm

Ryan: People aren’t found “innocent.” They’re found “Not Guilty” at best.

And btw, no one is forcing you to read anything that reviles you so much.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
5:33 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
3:40 pm
Since every Republican from here to Spokane has already exonerated him, why not just go ahead and forgo the trial?

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
4:26 pm
Florida’s GOP governor, Jeb Bush, said he could not understand how there was no arrest…
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Jam, did one of your accusations just “up and bite you in your azz”? :lol:

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
5:33 pm

Bro

And the post you replied to was from an “independent”…….

Glad it wasn’t from someone who doesn’t do their research nor attempts to see all sides of an issue

Adam

April 11th, 2012
5:34 pm

They BOTH suck: And the post you replied to was from an “independent”…….

Glad it wasn’t from someone who doesn’t do their research nor attempts to see all sides of an issue

:lol:

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
5:35 pm

Additional information for the folks – A “suspicious person” call does not warrant a lights and siren response by the police. They have to obey speed limits, traffic lights, etc. In other words no speeding, slow to normal response time on call. If you report a suspicious person and do not keep him under observation, the police are not likely to locate him. If you give a general area where suspect was last seen, he generally disappears into the darkness of nite and is never located by police. Nothing is accomplished by your reporting him. That is sad but is the real world. I lived it for over 20 yrs in patrol!

Joe Hussein Mama

April 11th, 2012
5:36 pm

Ryan — “Jay is a trash journalist with no actual facts in this article or any others. He’s one step above a gossip columnist, and 4 steps below an actual human journalist. Charges were filed because of the outrage. He will be found innocent. Jay = suck.”

Try decaf, son. :D

Generation$crewed

April 11th, 2012
5:37 pm

Aquagirl
April 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

For the record I have not had my child shot. I have been directly beside a lifelong friend who was a victim of a violent crime. So go play your how bad would you feel game with someone else.

To go further, I never stated I didn’t care. I just pointed out how ignorant all of those who claim to know what happened are.

You do not know either. According to Zimmerman, he stopped chase and then was attacked and was having his head slammed on the ground, if true you can die from that ya know. Now I personally feel the story may prove to be different, but until it is who are you or anyone else to determine what happened.

If you are that good can you explain to us all why you are here blogging and not helping prevent or solve crimes? I’m mean with your powers it appears that Charles Xavier may want a word with you???

But understand that because I am unwilling to pronounce innocent or guilty right now does not mean I don’t care. I just try not to judge, especially in a premature fashion.

carlosgvv

April 11th, 2012
5:37 pm

Brosephus

What it all comes down to for me is that the differences in the public’s reactions to these two shootings shows, sadly, that we are nowhere near being a color-blind society. What’s even more sad, and disturbing, is that no one seems to care.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
5:38 pm

Bro – Ok, I misspoke as Barrack would say, a black Repub!!! You got that part right!!

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
5:38 pm

mc, my bad.

Hate the game not morally corrupt players. (grin)

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:39 pm

Tom

As I said, she obviously felt there was enough evidence to proceed and first degree murder wasn’t in the cards, so we have a public servant who’s not about wasting time and money.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:40 pm

Tom

Some public servants actually do their jobs without consulting their voter ID to see which party they belong to -

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
5:40 pm

Obviously the easiest way to make sure that you can keep a suspicious person under observation until the police arrive is to just shoot ‘em. :roll:

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
5:41 pm

Adam & They BOTH

That was the first time I heard that accusation. From what I had previously read, that didn’t appear to match with what I remembered about her. Things related to law enforcement tend to catch my interest a bit. This particular case caught my attention because of the investigative issues. I just couldn’t follow the initial prosecutor’s decision based on what I had read in reports and heard. I could not find anything pertaining to her race, and that I really don’t care about. Race has no bearing on the job done by prosecutors. She has a track record in FL that shows she is serious about prosecuting crimes.

middle of the road

April 11th, 2012
5:41 pm

Zimmerman has his side of the story – let us listen to Trayvon’s story…oh, right.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:42 pm

Ryan

“Jay is a trash journalist with no actual facts in this article or any others. ”

What facts about the case has he wrote about?

And when has he said there’s a lot we don’t know?

Specifically?

After all, you wouldn’t want people to think you’re a trash blogger, would you?

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

Formerly, don;t know if you are a 1) MLB fan, 2) A NY Yankees fan or 3) a Reggie Jackson fan, but to quote him, I am the straw that stirs the drink. (grin)

Now if I can just hit three consecutive pitches (!!!) for home runs in the World Series…

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

Tom

“They have to obey speed limits, traffic lights, etc.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEEEEEEHEEEEHEEEEEEE…….

whew…….

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

Walter Williams describes two incidents of black on white violence that need to be aired. Seems that in NC, a white boy and his date were returning from a dinner when they were attacked by a group of black thugs. They beat the boy to death after raping him in front of his girlfriend. Then they turned on her and raped her repeatedly and beat her to death. Another incident of a black thug was worse. A 20 yr old black male broke down the door of a couple, aged 85 and 80 who had been married for 65 yrs. He proceeded to break the man’s jaw then broke some ribs and left him for dead. He then turned on the 80 yr old woman and raped her in front of her husband, then beat them both to death with a ball bat. No outrage by Je$$ie or Al, no phone calls from the president in either case. The man and his wife didn’t even look like Bozo’s grandparents. Nothing, absolutely nothing. There is never any outrage when this crap happens with black on white crime. No riots, no media indignation, no concern for the victim….. nothing. And you wonder why a hellova lot of people are not too concerned with “justice” when it comes to that white Hispanic from Florida. And we are supposed to be concerned about “fairness”?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

What difference does it make if the prosecutor is green?

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
5:45 pm

“What facts about the case has he wrote about?”

Paul,
weeks ago jay said that Martin was only guilty of being black…Zimmerman claims otherwise, as he says it was self defense.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
5:47 pm

carlos

Have you not noticed that there has not been a major issue made over the Tulsa shootings in the Black community? Reason is, the authorities did what they are supposed to do in that case. I don’t know how different I can explain the difference to you. The issue in the cases are not primarily because of race. It’s more because of the perceived inaction of the authorities due to race.

————————–

Tom

No problem. I still don’t see what race or party affiliation has to do with prosecution, but whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Adam

April 11th, 2012
5:47 pm

Brosephus: Image on TV shows the prosecutor to be white.

Doggone/GA

April 11th, 2012
5:49 pm

“weeks ago jay said that Martin was only guilty of being black”

Want to bet? How about you go back to that piece and come back with the quote where Jay used the word “only”

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
5:49 pm

Bro @ 5:41

I’m with you…. Regardless of her political leanings, it was strange but obvious that the blogger wanted to make sure those reading his post knew she was black, then doubled down again when he corrected the political affiliation.

I will not put words in anyone’s mouth and imply what was meant, however it would be great to get some clarification…………

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
5:50 pm

they both suck
is the prosecutor green, a frog maybe ?

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
5:51 pm

Paul – A govt official concerned about wasting taxpayers money, get real with your comment. Taxpayer – you are one of the biggest reasons people do not wish to enter police work, encountering people like you!

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
5:52 pm

kayaker: do you honestly believe that if the suspects in those horrendous crimes were apprehended, that they would be turned loose without any criminal charges filed against them? That’s the issue here. Not the horrendousness of the crimes. Not whether it’s black on white or white on black. Get it?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
5:52 pm

gm

April 11th, 2012
5:14 pm
There were plent rep who were outraged over zimmerman not getting arrested, but when you have scums like hannity and limbaugh trying to justify killing a 17 years old kid, it makes the whole right look like a bunch of race haters. – Only to mushheads who see race in EVERYTHING.

So it ok to chase after someone and gun them down and claim self defense? – Nope
take the race out of it put your own son in this, you would change your mind then.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:52 pm

ty webb

I believe you mean this thread:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/21/trayvon-martin-guilty-of-being-17-and-black/

and the third paragraph

We don’t know for sure what happened next. Maybe Zimmerman, a civilian with no arrest powers, got out of his truck and tried to restrain Martin — a few minutes earlier he had expressed frustration to the 911 operator that “they always get away.” Maybe Martin grew argumentative, challenging Zimmerman’s right to follow and harass him.

Lots of maybes.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
5:56 pm

Tom

“Paul – A govt official concerned about wasting taxpayers money, get real with your comment. ”

your 5:35 “I lived it for over 20 yrs in patrol!”

So how much taxpayer money did you waste? Your department? Did you ever take action to stop it or did you just go along to get along?

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
5:57 pm

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
5:09 pm

A special prosecutor( who just happens to be a black Democrat) chose to prosecute without a grand jury hearing the probable cause factual evidence of the case. Sounds like politics to me.

Well “Tom” now that you know that the special prosecutor is a white republican, what does it sound like now?

Then you go on to say:

“I hope Zimmerman does not get rail-roaded by the likes of that special prosecutor and Atty General E Holder, by the way Holder disgusts me. This past week in ATL I saw on tv about a dozen black on black violent crimes, where is the outrage, why not?”

Chumming the waters a little more with the race baiting eh? And you finish off with this:

By the way I am not just another knuckehead, after my military service, I was in Law enforcement for over 30 yrs prior to retirement! Thank god, I am retired!

Well, you should learn how to spell knucklehead, knucklehead and I think we’re all glad you’re retired.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
5:59 pm

kayaker @ 5:44

Do as those who supported Trayvon did, start a campaign using social media. That kid was dead for almost a month before major news outlets uttered a peep about his case. If those close to the victims don’t make a lot of noise about their attacks, they shouldn’t expect anybody else to do it for them. That’s just life.

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:00 pm

In legal terminology, it’s called res ipsa loquitur — Latin for “the thing speaks for itself.” When the known facts speak more eloquently than anyone. What are the facts? An unarmed young boy — not charged with any crime, walking through a subdivision is murdered by an armed assailant.

It’s pretty hard to explain away those circumstances.

Oh, and by the way, Raghead, I know that res ipsa loquitur is only used in negligence cases. So, go back to sleep.

Adam

April 11th, 2012
6:01 pm

OMG look at that BLACK DEMOCRAT on TV right now

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:01 pm

Tom

Maybe she dates or is married to a Black Democrat………

Is that what you meant?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 11th, 2012
6:02 pm

K71 — “No outrage by Je$$ie or Al, no phone calls from the president in either case. The man and his wife didn’t even look like Bozo’s grandparents. Nothing, absolutely nothing. There is never any outrage when this crap happens with black on white crime. No riots, no media indignation, no concern for the victim….. nothing.”

In the cases you mention, did the police actually ARREST A SUSPECT within a couple of days of the crime, or did they drag their feet for a month or so as in the Trayvon Martin case?

You just don’t get it. It’s not about racially-motivated violence. It’s about a perception that racially-motivated violence *against African-Americans* doesn’t get treated seriously by the authorities. And the TM case is just another example of it. Dead black kid, suspect not arrested, no apparent action a month later.

carlosgvv

April 11th, 2012
6:02 pm

Brosephus – 5:47

Yes, the authorities have acted correctly in Tulsa and I hope those two shooters are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No, the authorities in Trayvon’c case showed unbelieveably poor judgement. I’m just trying to convince you the authorities in Ervin’s case have also showed poor judgement. Those two shooters also need to be arrested and tried.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
6:03 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
5:44 pm
Formerly, don;t know if you are a 1) MLB fan, 2) A NY Yankees fan or 3) a Reggie Jackson fan, but to quote him, I am the straw that stirs the drink. (grin)

Now if I can just hit three consecutive pitches (!!!) for home runs in the World Series…
________________________________________________________________________

Nah, I don’t do MLB

But it doesn’t matter because I’m ignoring you :lol: :lol:

Paul

April 11th, 2012
6:03 pm

Don’t forget – Adam

Anyone coming on this blog making insinuating or outrageous comments who supposes people will read and go ‘uh-huh, that’s right, yup” is in for a rude awakening.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:04 pm

1755, 5:52,

No, I don’t “get it”. Do you? It is the whole issue. The double standard is so blatant that even you might be able to understand the inequity of the whole thing. Black on white violence is given the 16th page on some newspaper if it is mentioned at all. Then when some black teenager is shot there is a media blitz to convict this man in the court of public opinion rather in a court of law. All of the race pimps, including our president, rally around the “victim” and pay no attention to the rash of hundreds of cases of black on white crime which occur every year in this country. You ignore that black males represent 6% of the total population yet represent 49% of prisoners in federal prisons. The most common cause of death in a black male between 18 and 35 is violent homicide. And we are supposed to ignore this? It doesn’t happen? Police officers are supposed to ignore the obvious when looking for criminals? Man, are you behind the curve. I don’t carry a Glock 40 around to protect myself from white people, my friend.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 11th, 2012
6:04 pm

I’m out, all be well, have a good evening and drive safely.

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
6:05 pm

Paul,
you’re right there are a lot of “maybes”. I just found it peculiar how jay framed his. both seemed a little unfair to Zimmerman, even after Jay admits he doesn’t have all the facts…I could think of a few other possible “Maybe” scenarios that jay didn’t include.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:05 pm

She must have went Michael Jackson and bleached her skin before going on tv today……………..

Not surprised by the bloggers totally incorrect post….. Awhile back he threw out some “birther” BS……… when called out by several people, he claimed it was a joke

Oh well……….. takes all kinds to keep this an interesting blog

Midori

April 11th, 2012
6:05 pm

2d degree murder

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:07 pm

It’s like I’ve said before, kayaker, you need to row that kayak back to your militia headquarters and start planning who you’re gonna shoot next.

pogo

April 11th, 2012
6:08 pm

Meanwhile, punks emboldened by the public position of persons such as Sharpton, Jesse, Obama and Holder are beating up white people in Baltimore and Ohio just because they happen to be white in the name of “Trayvon”. Where is the outrage about these beatings? The path of racial and economical division that Obama and Holder have chosen for this country will in the end politically destroy them. 50% of this country know what Obama is and they detest him and the other 50 don’t care what he is just as long as he is a democrat and they get their government checks. Obama does know how to take advantage of his followers though and maybe that is what I don’t like about him the most. They are too blinded to see what he really is and he takes advantage of them and their ignorance on a daily basis. His treatment of his followers is lakin to shooting fish in a barrel because they will never question anything he does. Jay is a prime example. When you think about it, Obama’s followers goose-stepping allegiance to him is almost scary. They willing to overlook everything for what they want. Anything.

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
6:10 pm

if the prosecutor was appointed by GOP Governor Rick Scott, I guess we can conclude that he’s sitting out the “war on women”.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
6:10 pm

Adam

Just watched her announcement. She could possibly have some Black DNA on the family tree somewhere. Remember, at one point and time, all it took was one drop of Black blood to make you Black. Some of y’all here are Black and don’t even know it. :)

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
6:10 pm

“Then when some black teenager is shot there is a media blitz to convict this man in the court of public opinion rather in a court of law.”

That’s because he was not taken into custody that night and up until a few hours ago he wasn’t required to step into a court and explain his actions. This is the fault of those who declined to investigate and arrest that night when there was plainly probable cause to do so. had the color of the victim and the shooter been switched, and every other part of the situation been the same, someone would’ve been arrested that night.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:11 pm

“Obama is and they detest him and the other 50 don’t care what he is just as long as he is a democrat and they get their government checks.”

Translation: I’m an angry @@ punk that loves to post BS day in and day out

really man? do you believe that crap that you post or do you just regurgitate the 1st thing that comes to your pea brain

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
6:11 pm

I see wingnut heads are exploding… not suprising.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
6:12 pm

Where’s Tom.

Al S.

April 11th, 2012
6:12 pm

No justice, no peace!

I am for justice! You are for justice!

Help me fight against injustice! Go to:

http://www.racepimpforobama.org

And click “donate.”

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Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
6:13 pm

2nd degree murder..wow. Hopefully she doesn’t blow it like the prosecutor in the Case Anthony trial did.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:13 pm

Jay

I just had my 6:11 post sent to the review office. That is fine if it doesn’t get posted or I get put in timeout, however someone needed to respond to pogo’s BS…………….

Midori

April 11th, 2012
6:14 pm

so walking down the street minding your own business makes one a “punk”?

god forbid i find out what you think of me, as I like to walk in the woods.

Pogo — your’e a bonafide coward and idiot to boot.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:14 pm

Ah hah!

The old cold shoulder routine.

And being the always tolerant guy that I am (LOL at me), I won’t hold your anti-baseball bias against you!

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Who is on the Worst Company in America List?

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Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
6:14 pm

I seriously can’t wait to hear the evidence she has.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
6:15 pm

ty webb

I took most of Jay’s comments as frustration – amazement – a bit of anger that a shooting death would occur in such circumstances and the police and prosecutors would pretty much say “somebody got shot? well, okay…. that’s all…”

Jay

April 11th, 2012
6:15 pm

You ignore that black males represent 6% of the total population yet represent 49% of prisoners in federal prisons.

And the relevance of any of that to the Martin case is zero percent.

Peadawg

April 11th, 2012
6:16 pm

But damn the parents make me sick…having a press conference in D.C. with Sharpton.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
6:16 pm

TaxPayer

I might have come on a bit strong……

Hi Midori!!!!

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:17 pm

The BOTH: it’s not Jay, there must be some word in your post that’s triggering the computer. Go back through and try to figure out which one and replace the vowel with a *.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:17 pm

BOTH @6:13, LOL.

That has happened to me more than a few times.

Probably the best thing in a few cases!

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
6:17 pm

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:04 pm

1755, 5:52,

No, I don’t “get it”. Do you?

Yes, not sure why you don’t. The central question has always been how can an unarmed person, who committed no crime be shot and killed and the decision not to prosecute the shooter be made before the sun comes up the next day when there was so little evidence as to what happened. All the rest has been conjecture.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:17 pm

Where is the outrage when a group of black thugs, the New Black Panthers, issues an edict which posts a 10K reward for the death of that white Hispanic. Flyers posted on telephone poles, dead or alive. The media says nothing….. only Fox news reports this crap. Where is Holder’s outrage when it comes to “justice”. He is admittedly, only interested in “justice” when it concerns “his people”. He and his race pimp boss belong in another world.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
6:18 pm

carlos

They were arrested. That’s how they were charged with impersonating an officer.

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/dekalb-police-investigate-fatal-1398843.html

Notice the captions under the photos. Those are their mug shots. Mug shots are taken when someone’s arrested and booked on charges. Now, they have not been charged with homicide as I’m guessing the investigators are still looking through that aspect. You don’t arrest someone without evidence to back the arrest. Those guys have one thing that aids them that Zimmerman did not have. They were returning fire after being shot at. You should try to see if you can go through a citizen’s academy or something to see how stressful things are during a gun fight.

Midori

April 11th, 2012
6:18 pm

Moderate Line

April 11th, 2012
6:18 pm

If charges are filed, it would validate public outrage at the fact that prosecutors initially declined to pursue the case against Zimmerman. It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty; it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision
++++
What? Did the Duke lacrosse case validate the public outcry?

I don’t know the facts but a prosecutor filing charges does not justify the public outcry. A guilty verdict would justify a public outcry and a not guilty verdict would justify the argument that the charges are the result of political pressure.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
6:19 pm

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
6:10 pm
“Then when some black teenager is shot there is a media blitz to convict this man in the court of public opinion rather in a court of law.”

That’s because he was not taken into custody that night – He WAS taken into custody and questioned for 5 hours. There are pics of him in cuffs and err’thang.

and up until a few hours ago he wasn’t required to step into a court and explain his actions. This is the fault of those who declined to investigate and arrest that night when there was plainly probable cause to do so. – there WAS an invertigation (a poor one), and the load investagator recommended charges. The prosector declined charges

had the color of the victim and the shooter been switched, and every other part of the situation been the same, someone would’ve been arrested that night. – could you be wrong?

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:19 pm

“Pogo — your’e a bonafide coward and idiot to boot.”

KEEP ON TRUCKIN’ Midori!

Midori

April 11th, 2012
6:19 pm

yeah – the “new black panthers” card.

are all four of them scouting out your house, Kayaker?

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:20 pm

BTW, it felt so righteous to fire Bank(sters) of America last month.

Jay at 6:15, well said.

Midori

April 11th, 2012
6:20 pm

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
6:21 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:14 pm

Did you get the joke?

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
6:22 pm

And the relevance of any of that to the Martin case is zero percent.

Jay

You and the others here don’t get it. Regardless to what’s being debated, Blacks are savages. They rob, steal, and kill everything they get their hands on. Nothing else matters Some probably think that I’m posting from prison for robbing and killing somebody. :roll:

//sarc to the nth power….

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
6:22 pm

The period between the offense and the charging document is what people are po-ed about. Now he or a prosecuting attorny has to prove whether he is guilty or innocent. I don’t really understand why it takes 45 days to reach a decision about charging someone or not. An obvious fallacy in the Justice Department I guess.

Adam

April 11th, 2012
6:23 pm

kayaker: Where is the outrage when a group of black thugs, the New Black Panthers, issues an edict which posts a 10K reward for the death of that white Hispanic.

I don’t know where you’ve been, but every time this issue has been brought up to anyone on the side of Trayvon Martin, they have condemned it.

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:23 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:24 pm

71, it’s all been downhill for you since the 1960s, huh?

Hell, man you wouldn’t even be happy in South Africa anymore!

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:24 pm

kayaker @ 6:17

Since when has Anderson Cooper worked for Fox….
Wolf Blitzer, etc , etc

Cooper like Hanitty has had the NBP party on his show since this case went national

If you only watch Fox and that is your choice, that might lead you to think that only Fox commentates and reports on certain issues……….. when it fact it is not true by a long long long shot

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
6:24 pm

pogo

April 11th, 2012
6:08 pm

Dude, you’re about as screwed up as they come. Care to support any of that and go ahead and tell us what Obama is?

J. Jackson

April 11th, 2012
6:25 pm

We must express, impress, digress, and say UNLESS justice is served, none are reserved !!!

I have the answer. White Hispanics are the question !!!

Click here:

http://www.race isa

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:25 pm

Bro @ 6:22

it is because you are not black
You are a poser.

hahahahaha

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:25 pm

Formerly, I guess not…

J. Jackson

April 11th, 2012
6:25 pm

Growth industry.org

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
6:26 pm

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:26 pm

kayaker: when is the last time you’ve even seen a Black person? I mean living way of up there in the hills like you do? You seem to be an expert on Black people.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:27 pm

Hanitty will be the best to watch tonight

I bet he is hyperventilating now at this moment

Bud Wiser

April 11th, 2012
6:27 pm

Well, Zimmerman is in custody, and is or will be charges with second degree murder.

You must remember however, that we are talking about Florida here, and a jury pool will come from the essentially same pool of idiots (generically speaking) that set Casey Anthony free.

Any bets on riots, lootings or burnings tonight because he wasn’t charged with 1st degree, or how long it will take Jackson, the (snicker) New Black Panther Party or Sharpton to bring that up? Duh, it’s Florida people.

How long before a hearing, or a trial? Will he get bail? Will he WANT bail?

A perfect scenario for the do-nothing Obama administration, stirring up the race and wealth envy losers till November.

And here emerges yet another definition of Obama and his loser pals in Congress:

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-Ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:30 pm

“It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty; it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision”

So very true…… Let’s hope that this case is decided on fact and not emotion

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:31 pm

“Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-Ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.”

“Now there’s something I can get behind.”

– King Dumbass the First

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
6:31 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:25 pm
Formerly, I guess not…

Adam likes to announce to the (blog) world who he is ignoring (bloggers whose posts he doesn’t read). I was messing with him saying there is no way to verify that he doesn’t read those posts, so why announce it to the world.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:33 pm

Bookman, 6:15,

Why do you think that Je$$ie looks around when he sees a group of males following him and is relieved when they are white? Macon is the 17th most violent city in the US regardless of population. We have a 67% black population. Only 41% graduate from High School. You figure it out. Why is it necessary to have a neighborhood watch person in the area in the first place? I don’t see any neighborhood watch people in my neighborhood, although it is nearly 30% black. When thugs outnumber the good guys, it is necessary to be more vigilant. The NAACP asked the mayor of Macon recently, to clamp a 9:00PM curfew on the projects. Said it was because of violence, rapes, homicides….. you know those things that we carry guns for. You can keep your head in the sand all you want…. you can ignore reality in the name of something but it doesn’t identify the problem. And I think, in your heart of hearts, you know what I am talking about. If it is found that Martin’s shooter is guilty in a court of law, so be it. But you and others like you are convicting him before the fact. The media, including yourself, has already convicted him.

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
6:34 pm

Telegraph:

“Physically strong men are more likely to hold right wing political views because they believe society should be geared to personal struggle and self-preservation, an academic study claims. Researchers cite muscle-bound Hollywood action heroes like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Chuck Norris and Sylvester Stallone as evidence that aggression is linked to conservative politics.”

We hate girly men.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:35 pm

kayaker

Don’t forget to watch Fox this evening

They will probably be the only one’s reporting on this

Doggone/GA

April 11th, 2012
6:35 pm

“But you and others like you are convicting him before the fact. The media, including yourself, has already convicted him”

Well, he DID kill Trayvon Martin. There’s no dispute of that fact. Whether he is found guilty of breaking any laws is what the court will determine. But he will never be innocent of that killing.

Jay

April 11th, 2012
6:36 pm

Oh, I’ve figured it out, kayaker. You’ve made it quite easy to figure it out.

Again, none of what you just wrote has any relevance or impact on the Trayvon Martin case. None of it. The fact that you somehow believe it does says a lot more about your personal viewpoint than it does about this case or the issues that surround it.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:36 pm

1755m 6:26,

The last time I saw a black person was yesterday when my neighbor and I went bass fishing and then had dinner together at my house.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
6:36 pm

Paul, Don’t forget, Bro, They both suck – Gentlemen(?), next time someone beats the s–t out of you and bashes your head into the ground or pavement just take it and show the perp a peace sign. Maybe he will spare you then, but I doubt it! My guess is all of you are liberal occu-tard types. Love that Obama and Holder, get me some more free stuff from the govt!

getalife

April 11th, 2012
6:37 pm

Locked up.

cons lose another one.

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:38 pm

I see Fish Sandwich has dived off the deep end again.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
6:38 pm

Perhaps what kayaker needs is a custom form letter to initiate his inquiries. I’ll help you out, with an opening line that I’m sure you’ll find meets your needs:

Dear President OBozo,

Where’s the outrage [insert defining text here].

The pleasure is all Yours,

kayaker71

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
6:39 pm

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-Ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

So that’s how/why Georgia is a Red state with Nathan Deal at the controls….

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
6:41 pm

get a life
zimm is a democrat.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:41 pm

1755,

Forgot to mention….. my black neighbor also carries a Glock 40. He is just a concerned about protecting himself as I am. So does his wife.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:41 pm

Tom

Just because you purposely or ignorantly posted an untruth and was called out on it, no need to get hostile about others getting their head bashed in

As for me……… I make a good living and it isn’t from Uncle Sam but I respect those making a living working for Uncle Sam

So whatever “free stuff” you are talking about……… can’t help you, but keep up the stereotypes……… they seem to suit you very well

1,755 more days (Obama) + 2,920 more days (Hillary) formerly known as Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:42 pm

Dear President Obama:

Why on Earth don’t you work out more so that you could be physically strong and, therefore, more conservative.

It’s not enough that you’re tall and lean and are good at basketball, you need to “pump yourself up!” so that you can be more conservative. Get it!

Thanks,

Fish Sandwich
Atlanta, GA

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:42 pm

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
6:42 pm

Don’t Forget – good name I’ll remember it, too bad I did not run across you in Vietnam back in the 60’s. But you probably were not the military type, a community organizer is probably more your speed!!

Paul

April 11th, 2012
6:43 pm

Tom

Like Jay said, your first and second sentences have zero relevance to the topic.

As far as your being a police officer for 20 years, either:
- this is the Internet, anyone can be anything they want to be
- as was noted earlier, no career is exempt from the Bell curve, or
- it’s as the guy in the book Friday Night Lights said, after getting out of the Marines and serving on a police force, it took him only six months to conclude 95% of small-town cops should be allowed nowhere near firearms.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
6:44 pm

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

If somebody wants to try that here, they need to ensure a few things before buckling into this ride here.

1. Get medical insurance and have premiums up to date.
2. Get life insurance and have premiums up to date in case #1 does not apply.
3. Ensure next-of-kin knows wishes and requests in case #2 applies.
4. Pack a lunch because it’s gonna be a very long day.

You did patrol for 20 years. I do immigration which includes encounters with suspected and known cartel members and other people we don’t really want in this country. Trust me when I say I am knowledgable, trained, and constantly enhancing that knowledge and training. ;)

My guess is all of you are liberal occu-tard types.

I wouldn’t try to make a living by guessing.

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
6:44 pm

Yo, Bro, don’t like it?

Move to New York, San Francisco, or somewhere you will feel more at home.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:44 pm

kayaker

That is great and I hope you never have to use your weapon.

While I own several guns, including a Glock. I’m a Sig man myself.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:44 pm

And be sure to tell these guyt stha tyou think they are a bunch of retards, OK?

http://www.businessinsider.com/veterans-march-for-occupy-wall-street-2010-11

And did you cheer when this happened to this retard/

Veteran Scott Olsen, 24, was critically injured on Tuesday night when he was hit in the head with a projectile thrown or shot by law enforcement officers combating protesters trying to re-enter a downtown plaza that had been cleared of an encampment earlier in the day. Mr. Olsen, who served two tours of duty in Iraq as a Marine, suffered a fractured skull.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:47 pm

Tom, more retards.

Thousands of U.S. military veterans are heeding the rallying cry of Occupy Wall Street, saying corporate contractors in Iraq made big money while the troops defending them came home — and can’t make a living now.

“For too long, our voices have been silenced, suppressed and ignored in favor of the voices of Wall Street and the banks and the corporations,” said Joseph Carter, a 27-year-old Iraq war veteran who marched Wednesday to Zuccotti Park, the epicenter of the movement that has spread worldwide.

And Tom, just look at these retards!

http://caelumetterra.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/110311-occupy-vets-800.jpg

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
6:48 pm

“Why on Earth don’t you work out more so that you could be physically strong and, therefore, more conservative.”

At least learn to throw a baseball.

And lose those mom jeans, dude. You embarrass the USA.

Thanks.

Midori

April 11th, 2012
6:48 pm

LOL

Ole Tom had just too many whiffs of agent orange.

wanna bet he hears attack helicopters in his sleep?

saywhat?

April 11th, 2012
6:48 pm

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:36 pm
1755m 6:26,

The last time I saw a black person was yesterday when my neighbor and I went bass fishing and then had dinner together at my house.
________________________________________
Did they look suspicious? If they did, would you have felt justified in shooting them? If you had shot them, would you feel it was unfair if a thorough investigation was called for by the public to determine if a crime had been committed?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
6:49 pm

Sinkwich

You don’t like Obama, right?

Delta is ready when you are….. You are also welcome to move “somewhere you will fill more at home”

Not sure if your new country will have a Kroger gas station where you can corner the attendant, but they might have something close

Bye Bye

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
6:49 pm

So Zimmerman is a democrat, probably want be able to vote. One less obama voter in the pool…heck yeah, forget Due Process, I’m with Al and Jesse…lock his azz up now!

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:50 pm

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
6:50 pm

““For too long, our voices have been silenced, suppressed and ignored in favor of the voices of Wall Street and the banks and the corporations,” said Joseph Carter, a 27-year-old Iraq war veteran who marched Wednesday to Zuccotti Park, the epicenter of the movement that has spread worldwide.”

JamVet quotes an Occutard as a fountain of wisdom.

Go figure.

saywhat?

April 11th, 2012
6:51 pm

For all the rightwingnuts blaming Obama for gasoline prices, I guess it must be because of him that natural gas prices are at a 10 year low as well, right?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gAwBwrlsJu9zf9he9wp2Xnp33sxg?docId=944574654dd54c9c99be34e9b7393352

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:53 pm

Not sure if your new country will have a Kroger gas station….

Too funny. And Frankie wants to hang out with Hollywood types….

Tom, they’re old men now, but I wonder these retards could still kick your ass.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ECNv6bRExlk/TrIewHOvJ_I/AAAAAAAAA84/z4jJvL_fJEE/s400/Veterans.jpg

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
6:53 pm

“You don’t like Obama, right?”

BINGO!

You win.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:54 pm

Sink, go spit on the troops elsewhere. Maybe you can call into Rush and have a group spitfest.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
6:54 pm

Midori

LOL?

Y’know, you’re right.

It is funny, in a weird sort of way -

jconservative

April 11th, 2012
6:54 pm

“Good. I think its pretty obvious the guy over stepped his authority…”

And that is the problem. He had no authority. The police have no authority. The 5th Amendment says you do not have to account to anyone why you are out walking, talking on a cell phone, drinking tea and eating candy.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:55 pm

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
6:55 pm

Tom, you don’t need to shoot someone to defend yourself if they are unarmed, period.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:57 pm

Looks like Tom cut and ran.

Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
6:58 pm

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
6:58 pm

F. Sinkwich

Truth hurts huh?? Admitting you have a problem is the first step to overcoming it.

Midori

April 11th, 2012
6:58 pm

So Zimmerman is a democrat, probably want be able to vote. One less obama voter in the pool…heck yeah, forget Due Process, I’m with Al and Jesse…lock his azz up now!

that was just so stupid. mind numbing stupid.

you would have done yourself a big favor by not commenting at all.

Now your stupidity belongs to the ages.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
6:59 pm

Say What,
6:48,

I don’t know…. I’ll let you know the next time I baby sit his kids.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:00 pm

” ‘You don’t like Obama, right?’

BINGO!

You win.”

Only thing left to do is put your money where your mouth is and follow your own advice about moving

You have a great night

independent thinker

April 11th, 2012
7:00 pm

So let’s see what the NRA wingnuts will ram through the legislature to prevent people like Zimmerman being charged in the future.
Let’s see – how about immunity for all neighborhood watchpersons who are armed and see suspicious individuals wearing hoodies who refuse to identify themselves and shoot the person
Also immunity for anyone who shoots someone after being attacked by an Arizona ice tea can or Skittles?
Trayvon had thug markings like gold caps on his teeth and tatoos – can that also be justification to use deadly force? Or how about if someone is stalking an individual because they appear suspicious and the person turns and whoops their ass – immunity for the stalker?
How many Ruth Christ steak dinners for each legislator who will vote for these NRA proposals?

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
7:00 pm

Midori,
I appreciate that. Thanks.

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
7:01 pm

“Here you go Sandwich, spit on this retard.”

No, thanks. Spitting on people is what Occutards do.

Want me to post the pic of you sh*tting on a cop car?

Didn’t think so.

Kind of embarrassing, isn’t it?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:04 pm

“Looks like Tom cut and ran.”

Maybe today or tomorrow, but he will be back with another issue and surely will ignore the info he knowingly posts that is incorrectand his called out on

I say “knowingly” because he seems to be an intelligent man and I’m not going to say he is ignorant……… every time he post his BS

getalife

April 11th, 2012
7:05 pm

The Iraq vet Joe Carter steps up to be heard and filky spits on him.

ragnar danneskjold

April 11th, 2012
7:05 pm

Essay was fine until the final paragraph, which was curiously devoid of logic compared to the preceding:

“If charges are filed, it would validate public outrage at the fact that prosecutors initially declined to pursue the case against Zimmerman. It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty; it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision.”

A mirror argument is just as true. “If charges are filed, it would validate the lynch mob that arose when prosecutors based their decision on testimony of independent witnesses. It does not mean the prior officials erred in the initial decision.”

What is the fascination with special prosecutors anyway? A special prosecutor is by definition a hired gun, one who loses the job if she elects to not prosecute. A special prosecutor is nothing more than pit bulls assigned to kill without regard to culpability, or maybe you all admired Ken Starr’s performance, the only one in recent memory who got a judicial result. Given the race-baiting similarity to the Duke lacrosse case, I confidently forecast that the “special prosecutor” will be unable to get a jury conviction on second degree murder.

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
7:09 pm

Both, if Tom is intelligent then he is very sloppy and not well informed to say the prosecutor was a black democrat. The best way to no look stupid is to do a little research and think before you speak. If you just “heard” something or you are recalling something then say so. And if you still mess up simply admit it. It’s the one’s with the big or fragile ego’s that can’t admit a mistake.

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
7:11 pm

As a community service, could someone post the definition of second degree murder in the state of Florida?

Thanks in advance.

Cynic

April 11th, 2012
7:12 pm

I wonder if when they figure out Zimmerman is mentally incompetent to stand trial he will get a slap on the wrist…

getalife

April 11th, 2012
7:13 pm

That is lazy filky.

Is your google broken?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:14 pm

DF

He surely is not a dumb guy by any means. He is prone to stereotypes, generalities and providing BS that by mere coincidence all seem to meet his political and social ideology but he isn’t dumb by any means.

Maybe intelligent is too strong of a word, but dumb is too harsh to say the least……

Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
7:18 pm

The crime of Second Degree Murder occurs when a person commits either:

Murder with a Depraved Mind or
Accomplice Felony Murder

Murder with a Depraved Mind

Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.

The primary distinction between Premeditated First Degree Murder and Second Degree Murder with a Depraved Mind is that First Degree Murder requires a specific and premeditated intent to kill.
Accomplice Felony Murder

Accomplice Felony Second Degree Murder occurs when you are an accomplice to a person who kills another human being while engaged in the commission, or attempted commission, of the following statutorily enumerated felonies, regardless of whether they intended the death:

Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
Aggravated child abuse,
Aggravated stalking,
Aircraft piracy,
Arson,
Burglary
Carjacking,
Distribution of Controlled Substances
Escape,
Home-invasion robbery,
Kidnapping,
Murder of another human being,
Resisting Officer with Violence,
Robbery,
Sexual battery,
Terrorism,
Trafficking in Controlled Substances, or
Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.

Penalties for Second Degree Murder

The crime of Second Degree Murder is classified as a First Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 10 offense severity ranking under Florida’s Criminal Punishment Code.

If convicted of Second Degree Murder, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 16¾ years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:

Up to Life in prison.
Up to Life on probation.
Up to $10,000 in fines.

Defenses to Second Degree Murder

In addition to the pretrial defenses and trial defenses that can be raised in any criminal case, specific defenses to the crime of Second Degree Murder are:
Excusable Homicide

The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of the following three circumstances:

When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or
When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or
When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.

Justifiable Homicide

The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if done while resisting an attempt by someone to kill you or to commit a felony against you.
Self Defense

Also known as the justified use of deadly force, self defense is a defense to the crime of Second Degree Murder. Please view the Florida Self Defense section for more information.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
7:18 pm

Sink, of all the people here to be calling Iraq War veterans tards.

Plain pathetic, you never-served coward…

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
7:18 pm

Ragnar@7:05

Concur with what you posted in it’s context. However, The prosecutor has not released why they have brought this charge against Zimmerman and they have to have some type of evidence to bring charges of such magnitude. I think everybody would like to see what they are basing their arrest on.

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
7:19 pm

Both, I’ll take your word for it but I usually don’t respond to him because it would take too long to address everything that is wrong with his posts.

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
7:20 pm

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
7:20 pm

Again, none of what you just wrote has any relevance or impact on the Trayvon Martin case. None of it. The fact that you somehow believe it does says a lot more about your personal viewpoint than it does about this case or the issues that surround it.

That so, Jay?? Then maybe you can explain your initial post on this matter: “Trayvon Williams: Guilty of Being 17 and Black”. Without any facts in hand, you proclaimed this to be race-based from the outset. IMO, this “says a lot more about your personal viewpoint than it does about this case or the issues that surround it.”

Ditto for all the race-baiting Libs on board here. Midori was in her glory when she posted the Zimmerman jailhouse video because she thought it “proved” that he had no injuries. I must have missed her apology when enhanced video showed injuries to the back of his head.

Crow on, Libs. We all know who the POS racists here are.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
7:21 pm

This “president” of ours has taken race baiting to a new level. He has entered into an arena where he has no business. This is a state thing. He has no federal jurisdiction although he and Holder might just be able to stretch this whole fiasco into some kind of a “hate crime”. He is no more concerned with the fate of Zimmerman than he might be with anyone else. This is a political ploy to convince those Obama bumper sticker crowd that he is “on their side”. He and Holder are using this whole “crisis” to their own advantage. Never let a crisis go to waste. This liar couldn’t care less about the fate of the perp in the shooting. He is only concerned about getting re-elected…… nothing else.

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
7:22 pm

“Plain pathetic, you never-served coward…”

Well, I didn’t get an MOH like you did……

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:22 pm

We all know who the POS racists here are.

If you say so, Bruno.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:23 pm

Orange

Rags is doing the same exact thing many who have already convicted Zimmerman have done and are doing………. playing politics……….

Problem is he doesn’t even see it because like most of the time he post, he thinks that he is convincing others with his eloquent semantics……… and usually he is only convincing himself

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

April 11th, 2012
7:26 pm

Ragmar@7:05 – Bingo, with your comments. Exactly. a special prosecutor is nothing more than a hired gun. No one will want to be part of neighborhood watches any more, but break into my house and I’ll blow you away!! Black, white, brown or yellow does not matter to me. You had better find another victim like Don’t Forget, Paul and his friends?

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
7:27 pm

Crow on, Libs. We all know who the POS racists here are.

Bruno

You really don’t wanna open that can of worms… Especially when there have been far worse things said here in relation to certain groups of people and trees.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:27 pm

“Crow on, Libs. We all know who the POS racists here are.”

Wasn’t a lib here today who said the made a comment to the effect of “and we all know the prosecutor is Democrat and black”

Both lies…… then he doubled down on the black when he corrected the political affliation

Couldn’t ever get him to explain why he kept the emphasis on the color of the prosecutor….. even though he was WRONG on both

I know race isn’t an issue for you, Bruno……… but there are as many on your side of the political aisle posting here daily that are pressing the limits and begging the same questions you place on the left

F. Sinkwich

April 11th, 2012
7:28 pm

It’s always better to be judged by twelve than buried by six.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:29 pm

Tom

When you have evidence in regards to community patrols in the Orlando area no longer having volunteers in mass…….. please post

Thanks in advance

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
7:30 pm

It says a lot about a grow man with a hundred pound advantage ,that he needs a gun to Handel a unarmed seventeen year old.what a complete loser.not the kind of guy you want protecting your neighborhood

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:31 pm

kayaker @ 7:21

Has the President said anything today or you just trying to rehash?

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:32 pm

Bruno, I do not argue, and would not argue, that race plays no role in the Trayvon Martin case. As I said initially, I believe it does.

But since I was responding to this statement by kayaker …

You ignore that black males represent 6% of the total population yet represent 49% of prisoners in federal prisons.

… perhaps you can explain how I was wrong. Perhaps you can explain how such statistics are relevant to the Trayvon Martin case. As kayaker went on to explain, “I don’t carry a Glock 40 around to protect myself from white people, my friend.” Perhaps you can explain how that’s relevant to the Trayvon case, in which an unarmed 17-year-old kid ends up date.

So please, Bruno, teach us. Tell us what relevance such things have to the Trayvon murder case.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
7:33 pm

If you say so, Bruno.

Care to defend your headline then, Jay?? It says to me that you had already made a judgment that Trayvon was, at the minimum, racially profiled by Zimmerman, and that most likely he was the victim of a “hate crime”. If so, then it’s just as fair for kayaker to bring up statistics which support WHY Trayvon may have been racially profiled. But, you seem to only want to hear half of the story, once again. Maybe you should start writing your columns on half of the page, giving the rest of us space to fill in all of the facts which you conveniently left out.

Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
7:33 pm

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:35 pm

“Charges reportedly pending in Trayvon Martin death”

Basically same thing Fox, Drudge, CNN were saying today

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
7:38 pm

Frank @7:30

It’s not the size of the man, it’s the fight in the man that counts. I’m sure you have heard that before.

Original Freedom Riders

April 11th, 2012
7:40 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
7:40 pm

Tom, spit on any occutard veterans lately?

Your pal Frank has been carrying on without you.

Think I’m kididing? Look at this and tell me what you think.

““For too long, our voices have been silenced, suppressed and ignored in favor of the voices of Wall Street and the banks and the corporations,” said Joseph Carter, a 27-year-old Iraq war veteran who marched Wednesday to Zuccotti Park, the epicenter of the movement that has spread worldwide.”

JamVet quotes an Occutard as a fountain of wisdom.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
7:42 pm

You really don’t wanna open that can of worms… Especially when there have been far worse things said here in relation to certain groups of people and trees.

I know race isn’t an issue for you, Bruno……… but there are as many on your side of the political aisle posting here daily that are pressing the limits and begging the same questions you place on the left

Brosephus and TBS–I see hateful, racial statements made by some “conservatives” here, and they are almost always called out. Yet, racists like Midori not only blog with impunity, but are cheered on by the rest of the Lib closet racists here. Y’all need to move past the double standard if we’re going to move forward.

I’m having a hard time locating them now, but yahoo.com ran a series of horribly racist opinion pieces by some Lib white chick. If I can find them, I’ll put a few up. While Jay is focusing his outrage on the prosecutors, I’m reserving a big dose of outrage for the media who did everything in their power to stir the racial pot once again.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 11th, 2012
7:42 pm

Had a black guy called 911 saying “There’s a white guy in a hoodie running around our neighborhood”, then proceeded to ignore the 911 dispatcher saying it wasn’t necessary to track him, and then shot the white guy, that black guy would have been in jail that night. Stand or no stand.

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
7:43 pm

nothing done so far or
in the future
will help trayvon martin
or trayvon’s family.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 11th, 2012
7:43 pm

It’s not Community Watch’s place to track suspects, they are supposed to pick up the phone and let the authorities handle it. This dude tracked and killed a guy – probably cause he was bored.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
7:44 pm

Perhaps you can explain how that’s relevant to the Trayvon case, in which an unarmed 17-year-old kid ends up date.

So please, Bruno, teach us. Tell us what relevance such things have to the Trayvon murder case.

See my 7:33, Jay. If you’re going to make it all about race, then it’s only fair that both sides of the story are presented, right??

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
7:46 pm

Bruno

Thanks for your reply. I do mean that with the utmost sincerity

While surely not being the “official” moderator on this blog, I think I do a pretty good job of calling out people on all sides for BS. Without speaking for Bro, he does a great job as well.

As for “racists” in general…….. They come in all political stripes. I have never said any different.

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:46 pm

“It says to me that you had already made a judgment that Trayvon was, at the minimum, racially profiled by Zimmerman, and that most likely he was the victim of a “hate crime”.

The first part of what it says to you is correct, Bruno. Based on Zimmerman’s other 911 calls, which quite often cited a person’s race in describing why they were considered “suspicious,” made it pretty clear to me that Trayvon too had been racially profiled. However, I have never thought, implied or even considered it was a hate crime.

“If so, then it’s just as fair for kayaker to bring up statistics which support WHY Trayvon may have been racially profiled.”

No, statistics do not justify profiling, especially profiling by an untrained but armed neighborhood watch volunteer that ends up in the death of an unarmed, innocent 17-year-old kid returning from the convenience store. That’s essentially the crux of this case. I don’t believe that Trayvon’s race justifies or explains why he was treated in such a fashion. Kayaker does.

And apparently you do too.

Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
7:49 pm

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
7:49 pm

No you are just a gutless coward who calls war veterans retards, Sink.

Jam–Help me out here. You seem to object to anyone criticizing a veteran, especially a combat veteran, yet I thought I saw you firing some pretty hostile insults toward Al West earlier. Are we allowed to criticize veterans, or not?? Or does it simply depend on their political orientation??

td

April 11th, 2012
7:49 pm

Jay

April 11th, 2012
6:15 pm

You ignore that black males represent 6% of the total population yet represent 49% of prisoners in federal prisons.

And what are the stats on the crimes they commit? Just asking since you posted some of the facts.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
7:49 pm

Sanford Police volunteer program coordinator Wendy Dorival told the Miami Herald she met Zimmerman in September, 2011 at a community neighborhood watch presentation. Dorival stated she gave a warning in regard to vigilante behavior at that meeting: “I said, ‘If it’s someone you don’t recognize, call us. We’ll figure it out,’ ” Dorival said. “‘Observe from a safe location.’ There’s even a slide about not being vigilante police. I don’t know how many more times I can repeat it.”

Observe from a safe location.

Looks like Rambo Z is staring smack in the face of the possibility of a LONG time behind bars…

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
7:51 pm

I excoriated West for his litany of hateful, bigoted words. Nothing else.

Sink flames vets because they dare protest peacefully. Nothing more.

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:51 pm

I didn’t post that td. I merely questioned why someone else had thought it relevant.

Jack

April 11th, 2012
7:52 pm

Enough of the subject already. It’s already outsized by the media.

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:53 pm

Jamvet, I hadn’t seen that earlier post directed at Sinkwich. It was out of line and has been pulled. Do not stoop to personal attacks.

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
7:56 pm

Any satisfaction you see from me is because the case will now go to court where the facts can all be out in the daylight. Sounds like both sides now have competent attourneys and hopefully both sides will be honorable and not leak info. Conjecture is natural as is curiosity about the case but people shouldn’t try to make the case fit some larger picture than what it is and shouldn’t take themselves too seriously.

godless heathen

April 11th, 2012
7:57 pm

Despite all the speculation and disparagement of Zimmerman earlier, he did what a LAC should do and turned himself in when the arrest warrant was issued.

If judged innocent by a jury of his peers, how will you all react? “No justice, no peace” or “the system works, despite its flaws”?

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
7:57 pm

getalife

April 11th, 2012
6:37 pm

Locked up.

cons lose another one.
__________________________________________________________________________

Zim was a registered Dem.

Getalife, what were you saying about divisiveness and coming together for the country.

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:57 pm

But before we get too far afield, Bruno, I’d still like to see your explanation for what those statistics have to do with what happened to Trayvon Martin.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
7:58 pm

FrankLeeDarling

There was a lot of misinformation reported as fact early on.

Apparently, Martin weighed closer to 160 lbs and was about 6 feet tall and Zimmerman’s 170 and about 5 feet 9 inches. .

http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/george-zimmerman-weighs-170-trayvon-martin-160

Then there was the furor over Zimmerman’s call. NBC has since apologized for editing the remarks. Seems Zimmerman identified Martin as black only after the dispatcher asked.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/07/MNIP1O0B4O.DTL

Apparently media also used old pics from the outset – one showing Martin as a young teen, one showing Zimmerman as much heavier than he is now.

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
7:59 pm

My point exactly Orange, if Zimmerman had so little fight or judgment in him he could not Handle a 17 year old, just maybe he should not be driving around patrolling the neighborhood with a gun

getalife

April 11th, 2012
8:00 pm

TBG,

I gave up on that idea.

If he is a dem, why are you cons fighting for him?

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
8:00 pm

No. It’s the 11th commandment “Thou Shalt Not Criticize Vets”. I think it got broken off the original 10.

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
8:02 pm

Frank, I misread your post, Sorry.

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
8:02 pm

I see hateful, racial statements made by some “conservatives” here, and they are almost always called out. Yet, racists like Midori not only blog with impunity, but are cheered on by the rest of the Lib closet racists here.

There’s been things said, from both sides, that I have called out. There are things that I did not respond to. Some things are not worth calling out. There are some posters, like kayaker, that I have learned to ignore when they say things. I chalk it up as generational thinking. I think he’s in his 70’s or 80’s, so his train of thought based on his upbringing isn’t the same as someone who’s in their 30’s and 40’s.

As to calling liberals out vs conservatives, I tend not to discriminate when I think something’s crossed the line, even if it’s a regular with whom I get along with completely. I’ll hold either side to a higher degree of respect when they chastise their fellow posters for crossing the line. Until then, neither can claim the higher ground. I find it suspect, though, when you look at which posters generally interject race into the dialogue. You should step back sometimes, and just read all the comments for what they say versus what they mean.

Midori

April 11th, 2012
8:02 pm

Yet, racists like Midori not only blog with impunity, but are cheered on by the rest of the Lib closet racists here. Y’all need to move past the double standard if we’re going to move forward.

Bruno — go jump in a lake you disgusting, race baiting maggot.

and I mean that with all my heart.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:03 pm

“If he is a dem, why are you cons fighting for him?”

Is everything a Dem / Reb or Right / Left issue?

Maybe I need to put on blinders because I’m seeing and experiencing more than just that in my life

Let us all hope that the case is tried and judged on fact not emotion or political affiliation………..

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 11th, 2012
8:04 pm

I thought we were going to let the Court of Hannity figure it all out for us???

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
8:05 pm

And apparently you do too.

Jay–Profiling is a part of life, even for you. It’s so hardwired into our brains that we can’t escape it, and rarely even recognize it. Profiling isn’t done just using race as a criterion, our brains automatically assimilate gazillions of random pieces of info into a reasonable picture (most of the time), giving us the ability to make decisions in a workable time frame. Otherwise, we would be paralyzed.

In the area of law enforcement, it’s unreasonable to NOT use profiling to some degree, for the same reason we need the powers of discrimination on a moment by moment basis. For an example of how things work without reasonable profiling, see how the TSA works. Millions and millions of innocent folks harassed in order to catch a few bad guys. I don’t claim to know the mind of George Zimmerman, even though you claim you do, but I don’t see how he can be pilloried for believing that Trayvon was acting suspiciously. It wasn’t all about race according to the 911 call, it was about behavior.

Soothsayer

April 11th, 2012
8:05 pm

“go jump in a lake you disgusting, race baiting maggot”

Hey! don’t sugar coat it, tell it like it is!

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
8:06 pm

Ok Paul that may be true and worth consideration,but I still think a grown armed with a gun and has placed himself in a position of authority has the burden to show better judgment.

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
8:07 pm

I don’t know if Zimmerman was racial profiling or not. That’s for someone else to figure out. But I would think anyone could see how racial profiling CAN go horribly wrong. This loss should never have happened. No winners anywhere period.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
8:07 pm

Frank

My earlier post was simply to show there was a lot of misinformation that fueled emotions unnecessarily. Did NBC give a false impression of the call? Yes. But…. did Zimmerman have a history of apparently profiling that could have been introduced independently of his 911 call? I think so.

I think the bottom line is, it was not up to Zimmerman to ‘handle’ anyone. That’s the responsibility of the police. Observing and reporting to authorities is one thing. Interjecting oneself into a situation where no crime has occurred and a person is conducting himself lawfully is something else entirely.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:07 pm

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
6:54 pm

Sink, go spit on the troops elsewhere. Maybe you can call into Rush and have a group spitfest.
________________________________________________________________________________

According to the last thread, military service does NOT exempt you from criticism.

Or does it depend on the side of the isle you agree with.

Also, the d00d in CA who was hit with a projectile. It has been reported that he was hit by an object thrown buy his fellow protesters.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
8:07 pm

Gotta run, literally. PB has had the patience of a saint while I attempted to answer some of the ridiculousness here.

Midori

April 11th, 2012
8:08 pm

I’m still waiting on his “explanation” concerning what those statistics have to do with Trayvon Martin.

He wants to agree and cheer on racism and then wants to complain when someone calls his buddies on it.

He accuses others of doing the exact same thing he does.

There’s a word for that, but I digress.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
8:10 pm

Frank

I think our posts are crossing and it appears we’re on somewhat the same track.

willydoit?

April 11th, 2012
8:13 pm

Charge the dumb arse!
I don’t have a problem with the stand your ground laws…just remember though, there are always consequences for your actions.

Two families lives are changed forever because neither party involved wanted to back down.

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
8:14 pm

Since when do you have to call out every post you disagree with? Who can or does actually do that?

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
8:14 pm

Yes Paul I think we are but I have been out of the news loop lately and your post did point out some things I was not aware of so it was still informing,thanks.

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
8:16 pm

Why does lady justice wear a blindfold? Short answer please.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
8:17 pm

Frank

Sure. I think it’s possible to have a discussion on a blog.

With some people. :-)

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
8:18 pm

O12,
sleep disorder?

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:19 pm

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
7:30 pm

It says a lot about a grow man with a hundred pound advantage ,that he needs a gun to Handel a unarmed seventeen year old.what a complete loser.not the kind of guy you want protecting your neighborhood
_______________________________________________________________________________

I’ve seen smaller guys beat the brakes off of larger guys. It’s not size but ability.

Tell you what.

Go jump on a 130lb MMA fighter.

When you wake up, tell us how it worked out for ya.

Jm

April 11th, 2012
8:19 pm

” it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision”

A lot of caveats there. Do you think jay just says stuff to improve eyeball count?

Cause there’s nothing of substance in jays post.

Dershowitz had a relevant column that makes a lot of sense

We don’t prosecute people to make those who’ve lost someone happy

Zimmerman may very well be acquitted

And the prosecution may have just rushed in the name of “justice”

We won’t know until the facts are out and may never know

Next topic…..

Paul

April 11th, 2012
8:19 pm

Orange 12

For a bit of fun trivia, you might also want to ask why, during one administration, was Lady Justice draped with a curtain?

Midori

April 11th, 2012
8:21 pm

Paul,

I remember that.

Ashcroft was scared of nipples :lol:

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:22 pm

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:32 pm
_______________________________
Jay, what does that have to do with the title of your initial article about this case?

Recon 0311 2533

April 11th, 2012
8:22 pm

Zimmerman has been charged and now the judicial system should follow its course to judgment. The accused should be presumed innocent until proven guilty and our resident blog law experts, those with personal bias as well as media self appointed judges should stand out of the way of prejudgment allowing the legal system to work.

Paul

April 11th, 2012
8:23 pm

Midori

Somehow, I just knew you and JamVet would know the answer!!!

Y’know, if Ashcroft would have been breast fed we sure could have avoided a lot of problems.

Midori

April 11th, 2012
8:23 pm

ld

April 11th, 2012
8:24 pm

Another “tv” trial w/everyone preening for the cameras to avoid watching?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:24 pm

TBG

You going to the UFC fights next week?

Mighty Righty

April 11th, 2012
8:24 pm

Zimmerman will be tried in court where he will be able to tell his side of the story rather than in the media where he never had any rights If the truth is as previously reported then Zimmerman will and should be punished. If not, there will be many who owe him an apology for their rush to judgement.

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
8:25 pm

Paul

Wasn’t that the Spirit of Justice statue. That was pretty good, I hadn’t heard about that one.

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
8:26 pm

I don’t understand all the poutrage. There’s a pretty good chance he could walk on murder 2, manslaughter would’ve been easier to stick.

God forbid if he does walk. Rodney King?

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
8:26 pm

8:19 no problem I am a complete badass armed liberal but I have always subscribed to the belief that you’should not go seeking trouble because you just might find it

godless heathen

April 11th, 2012
8:26 pm

The trial will give a new meaning to the term “circus”. I do hope that it is resolved in a reasonable time. Unlike the Muslim guy that killed 13 people in front of hundreds of witnesses at Ft Hood over 2 years ago but has yet to be put on trial.

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
8:27 pm

Never get arrested in
an election year.

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
8:27 pm

Had they arrested the first night, we probably wouldn’t even be talking about this at this point, and he’s would’ve had a better chance at beating the charges.

Jm

April 11th, 2012
8:27 pm

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:28 pm

Jay

April 11th, 2012
7:53 pm

Jamvet, I hadn’t seen that earlier post directed at Sinkwich. It was out of line and has been pulled. Do not stoop to personal attacks.
__________________________________________________________________________

…unless you root for my team.

Finished your post Jay.

No need to thank me.

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
8:31 pm

Rightwing
that may be why the DA
wanted to wait.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
8:31 pm

So kayaker posted this:

“I don’t carry a Glock 40 around to protect myself from white people, my friend.”

and I believe he followed it up with a comment later about his black neighbors and their guns. Do y’all shoot at each other from your bedroom windows, kayaker. :roll:

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
8:33 pm

“I think I do a pretty good job of calling out people on all sides for BS.”

Actually, you don’t.

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
8:34 pm

Anyone remember the controversy over the the dancing women statue in front of the portman building on peachtree st Naked women!

Paul

April 11th, 2012
8:34 pm

Orange 12

Yeah, it would have been funny if it wasn’t so embarrassingly sad.

Pleasant evening, all -

Recon 0311 2533

April 11th, 2012
8:34 pm

Have to give Jay credit as he jumped on a poster whose typically agreeable with the lefts view points. A display of fairness that shouldn’t be overlooked.

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
8:34 pm

Rightwing, exactly. Unless it’s a slam dunk self defense without any question you arrest for homocide and do a full investigation. You can always drop charges and it can always be ruled “justifiable” it was the “rush” to acquittal that I didn’t get.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:35 pm

getalife

April 11th, 2012
8:00 pm

TBG,

I gave up on that idea. – That info has been out there for weeks. Do you not try to stay informed?

If he is a dem, why are you cons fighting for him? – Please point out where *I* am fighting for him. Technically I guess I was fighting for him when I was in Iraq, but I mean on this blog.

What is more importamt to you?

The truth
Partisan sh*tflinging points.

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
8:35 pm

RWT@8:27

True statement.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
8:35 pm

And I never would have dreamed that some of our self-proclaimed conservative war vets posting here could be so hostile toward other war vets simply because they choose to support the occupy crowd. It’s not like the occupy vets were out there calling their former brothers in arms communists or something, is it? The hate seems to run mighty deep in some people.

Jm

April 11th, 2012
8:36 pm

Buffett rule is dumbest idea ever

Btw

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:37 pm

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
8:02 pm

Bro, those that know, know.
Those that don’t, assume.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:39 pm

Actually ty web I do

You are one who post your uninformed bs on a regular basis… if I haven’t gotten to you…… don’t be jealous and pout like a baby

I will get around to you

It was me who said I wasn’t going to kiss Obama’s ass like some on here do and others kiss Bush and Reagan’s ass on the left………..said it last week

It was me who asked Jay to write about Obama’s hypocrisy on Super Pacs….. can’t help it that he has chosen not too

So you keep up your selective reading with your rose colored glasses………….. I will get to you soon enough

Recon 0311 2533

April 11th, 2012
8:40 pm

T.P. I don’t believe Kayaker is on the blog, so you should probably hold your fire. BTW…who are the self proclaimed conservative war vets that you allude to?

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
8:42 pm

I’ll take a few lumps and have my over-the-top posts pulled standing up for veterans against slurs and lies from men not qualified to shine their boots.

Jay is a good man to allow me an occasional indiscretion.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:42 pm

“kiss Bush and Reagan’s ass on the left……”

meant to say ” on the right………..”

But ty, unlike you when you drool over right wing talking points from right leaning bloggers….. I’m the one posting about bloggers from all sides using broad brushes and even paint sprayers

FrankLeeDarling

April 11th, 2012
8:44 pm

The fact of the matter is that if Zimmerman had not been out playing cop a innocent person would still be alive.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:44 pm

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:24 pm

TBG

You going to the UFC fights next week?

Nah, didn’t get tix

I’ll find a bar and watch it. Bones Baby.

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
8:45 pm

Now… If they’ll go after these idiots who have made posters and are allegedly offering a $10,000.00 bounty on Zim’s head, then I might feel there can be a modicum justice in the land…

Jm

April 11th, 2012
8:48 pm

Frank 8:44

Indisputable

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
8:49 pm

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
8:35 pm

And I never would have dreamed that some of our self-proclaimed conservative war vets posting here could be so hostile toward other war vets simply because they choose to support the occupy crowd. It’s not like the occupy vets were out there calling their former brothers in arms communists or something, is it? The hate seems to run mighty deep in some people.
_________________________________________________________________________

How do you feel about the names conservative vets are called?

Jm

April 11th, 2012
8:49 pm

Rightwing

Zimm’s dead. Black panthers found him

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
8:50 pm

Scout and Tom are two of those conservative war vets, del, that come to mind.

Jm

April 11th, 2012
8:51 pm

Zimm’s a white Hispanic

He could be in Mexico. Or Norway. Who knows.

bman

April 11th, 2012
8:51 pm

I heard about that bounty put on the guy’s head .. .. I’m no lawyer or anything, but isn’t that against the law? Can a person openly put a bounty on someone?

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
8:51 pm

How do you feel about the names conservative vets are called?

I don’t know. Tell me what names have the war vets that support the occupy folks been calling the conservative vets and I’ll tell you how I feel about it.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:52 pm

TBG

A buddy of mine who lives in Dallas will be intown next weekend. Guy he does business with is taking us…………..

I’m more of a boxing fan, but love to watch the fights

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
8:52 pm

“The fact of the matter is that if Zimmerman had not been out playing cop a innocent person would still be alive.”

Yeah, they could have hired some security. If it’s a gated community like they say. I assume they are paying HOA fees and their problem could have been taken up at one of the meetings.

Bernie

April 11th, 2012
8:52 pm

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN now has had to bend over and spread’em just as the U.S. Supreme Court dictated. I am sure he wished he had listened to that 911 dispatcher NOW!

Jm

April 11th, 2012
8:52 pm

We need to burn the entire tax code

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
8:55 pm

Bernie@8:52

How do you know he didn’t?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:56 pm

ty

One more and I wish you a great night

If you do not think I do a good enough job of calling out bloggers

You are more than welcome to assist. To help, you must first help yourself and shelf many of the talking points you like to bring to the table and offer factual rebuttal…….

Take care and see you around the blogging world

bman

April 11th, 2012
8:56 pm

“ZIMMERMAN now has had to bend over and spread’em just as the U.S. Supreme Court dictated. I am sure he wished he had listened to that 911 dispatcher NOW!”

How true. I don’t know if he’s guilty, or not. What I do know is that if he was concerned about someone, he should have called 911…which he did. I don’t understand why he approached him…i just don’t get it.

Recon 0311 2533

April 11th, 2012
8:56 pm

T.P. please identify the time/date of their respective posts. Scout takes the conservative view but I’ve not seen him display hostility toward another blogger who thinks differently, regardless of their current or former military status.

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
8:58 pm

Jm
tax probs?

Thomas

April 11th, 2012
8:59 pm

Buffet rule- evade 1.5 billion of capital gain taxes and another 2 billiono of esatate tax by donating to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Next year make headlines saying that your secretary pays more taxes than you do. Very heroic.

Stand the ground is pretty much a botch. Joe punches Steve Steve punches Joe back. Joe shoots Steve and argues stand your ground. Seriously- how did that law pass?

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
9:00 pm

The point that some of you miss and has been repeatedly made on this blog is…

The arresting officers decided to be judge and jury. If “Stand Your Ground” is Zimmerman’s defense, then let it play out in a court of law.

Zimmerman has proven twice that he does not like to follow advice. The 911 operator adivised him not to follow and his lawyers advised him not to contact the prosecutor’s office. He ignored the advice each time.

Also, in the cases Kayaker mentioned, I believe the perpertrators were arrested. All the people were asking for was an arrest and a day in court. That is the American way right?

How people are so easily able to turn this into a political issue is so beyond me. Had Zimmerman remained in his vehicle, perhaps we would not be having this discussion.

A lot of you like to criticize Al Sharpton. I will give you the Brawley incident. But most of you have probably never listened to Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton will stand up to any of your conservative race pimps to defend his beliefs. Can’t say the same for the indirect race baiters of the so-called conservative party.

Jm

April 11th, 2012
9:00 pm

Frog

Only due to tax code complexity

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:00 pm

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
8:51 pm

How do you feel about the names conservative vets are called?

I don’t know. Tell me what names have the war vets that support the occupy folks been calling the conservative vets and I’ll tell you how I feel about it.
_________________________________________________________________________
Sigh………………
Nevermind :roll:

ty webb

April 11th, 2012
9:03 pm

They both suck,
It’s okay, I’m just stating that despite your moniker, you really don’t call out “both” sides equally. I do give you props for not including any reference to “Fox News” in either of your comments directed towards me…Lord knows if was tough for you to hold back. You must’ve reached your quota for the day? Rest easy though, for I’m sure someone else can pick up the slack

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:03 pm

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
8:52 pm

TBG

A buddy of mine who lives in Dallas will be intown next weekend. Guy he does business with is taking us…………..

I’m more of a boxing fan, but love to watch the fights
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I love boxing as well.

BUT, MMA!
My Goodness!
I used to go see it live when I lived in Tampa.

Bones BABY!

bman

April 11th, 2012
9:04 pm

praising Al Sharpton? It’s 9PM and the after dinner drinks are starting to kick-in…forpetesakes

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
9:06 pm

Taxpayer, 8:31,

No, we don’t shoot at each other, or have not yet done so. We see the world in pretty much the same light. He has the same values that I admire, a good family man, responsible, hard working, proud,,,,, we don’t agree on everything but have agreed to disagree with respect. I am proud to have him as a friend.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
9:06 pm

TBG

You ever to go fights at Wild Bills in Duluth or the ones they hold at Center Stage in Midtown?

Pretty decent. There are some duds, but always a few good fights

Bernie

April 11th, 2012
9:07 pm

The IRONY of this whole story tonight is that George is now surrounded by the very group of crimminals that he detested so Vehemently. It appears they, could very well be his VERY close neighbors for years to come.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
9:10 pm

ty

Except for the 1 million times that I have said I do lean left, I’m not sure where you might have missed it.

You are welcome to pick up any slack you like. Not that you say you do, but you surely are not one to call out much if anything, especially if it meets your ideology or preconceived notion of the facts on a given issue.

But I digress, have a great night………..

I’m watching Hanitty cry on Fox as I type……..

I love watching him whine………….. Maybe I will send him some cheese one day

peace

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
9:10 pm

del,

Ask scout and see what he says about the war vets that have been with the occupy crowd. I’ve never seen him make an exception for any of them with his name calling.

bman

April 11th, 2012
9:10 pm

Bernie .. .. why do you keep posting about Zimmerman, XXX, (prison buddies) etc…where’s your mind at?

Midori

April 11th, 2012
9:12 pm

Late to the Party,

very nice, reasonable and cogent post.

thank you.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:14 pm

Late To The Party But…

April 11th, 2012
9:00 pm

The point that some of you miss and has been repeatedly made on this blog is…

The arresting officers decided to be judge and jury. If “Stand Your Ground” is Zimmerman’s defense, then let it play out in a court of law. – The “arresting officers” requested charges be files, the prosecutor declined to file charges.

Zimmerman has proven twice that he does not like to follow advice. The 911 operator adivised him not to follow and his lawyers advised him not to contact the prosecutor’s office. He ignored the advice each time. – may or may not be true

Also, in the cases Kayaker mentioned, I believe the perpertrators were arrested. All the people were asking for was an arrest and a day in court. That is the American way right?

How people are so easily able to turn this into a political issue is so beyond me. Had Zimmerman remained in his vehicle, perhaps we would not be having this discussion. – May or may not be true

A lot of you like to criticize Al Sharpton. I will give you the Brawley incident. But most of you have probably never listened to Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton will stand up to any of your conservative race pimps to defend his beliefs. – WHAT conservative “race Pimps”?

Can’t say the same for the indirect race baiters of the so-called conservative party. – Like WHO?

Jm

April 11th, 2012
9:15 pm

Supposedly zimm turned himself in

Apparently not dead

Jm

April 11th, 2012
9:18 pm

Boom

Jm bringing the news

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:20 pm

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
9:06 pm

TBG

You ever to go fights at Wild Bills in Duluth or the ones they hold at Center Stage in Midtown?

Pretty decent. There are some duds, but always a few good fights
________________________
No, Duluth is a little too far to drive from after a few.
Center Stage, I have been trying to get out there, but haven’t made it.

Recon 0311 2533

April 11th, 2012
9:23 pm

T.P. there have been those in the OWS who’re not truly vets. You’re not denying that are you? I can’t speak for Scout or the other poster you mentioned but I take issue with all of those involved in the so called OWS movement because they’ve not articulated a clear message that justifies they’re behavior. In addition all they’ve done is disrupt and desecrate the areas that they have occupied.

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
9:23 pm

that Black Guy, 9:14,

Yes, all of the perps were arrested in those two cases I mentioned and are now on death row or serving long sentences. My point in mentioning both of these cases centers around the fact that cases like this rarely make the front page, even in the community in which they happen. Black on white violence doesn’t get the same play by the media, the race pimps, the president, the attorney general….. no one. There are gazillions of black males killed in this country every year by other black males and you would not even know it was happening. The media ignores it….. no one pays any attention. But when it comes to white on black violence, it is a totally different story. The media chimes in to fan the fires of unrest, the president panders to the victims to gain votes, the attorney general throws in his extra two cents and Jackson, Al, Maxine Waters pimp this whole thing to death. We are wise to this charade. It is so predictable and turns out the same way every time. Are you so naive as to not see it?

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
9:24 pm

@bman-9:04…If directed at my comment; no one is praising Sharpton. Just stating that Sharpton has the backbone to stand up to anyone who wants to challenge him. If you had listened with an open mind to his comments this evening after the arrest or if you would listen to him for yourself, I believe you would have a different opinion.

Can’t say the same for the indirect race baiters of the so-called conservative party. – Like WHO?
Let me know the last time Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity appeared on a talk show where the host held an opposing view. For that matter, please let me know the last time Rush had an opposing viewer on his show. I will give Hannity a little credit in that he will pretend to debate, but Rush will not even bother to defend his inane accusations with anyone of a differing opinion. His entire purpose is to be able to spout non-sense without any rebuttal and some of you eat it up like it’s the gospel.

Is that clear enough for ya?

moonbat betty

April 11th, 2012
9:27 pm

Why is this at the forefront when there are so many more pressing issues?

b/c it’s what the ajc and the other liberal news peddalers are peddaling these days.

and oh, who’s winning dancing with stars, libs?

obama?

Brosephus™

April 11th, 2012
9:27 pm

gotta do my faux outrage for the evening…

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-commits-10-felonies-9-hours-231718822.html

One man traveling through Tennessee allegedly completed a crime spree with such urgency that even local police say they’d never seen anything like it.

William Todd, 24, is accused of committing 10 felonies in just nine hours while going on a “terror” through Nashville.

Dude stole guns, a tazer, and a shirt. He robbed people at gun point. He tazed somebody and pistol whipped another person in the first robery. He car jacked two cabbies. He robbed more people in a hotel. All this, and not a single peep from the law and order group here. You’d think the pistol whipping and car jacking would be enough to get people to talking here, but obviously it doesn’t matter in this case since he’s a White guy… //sarc//

On a more serious note, if y’all haven’t read about that dude, he had to be on something extra special to do all that in one night. I think somebody made him a batch of meth that included 5 hour energy shots or something. I’ve read many crime reports, but I don’t ever recall seeing something like this.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:27 pm

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
9:23 pm
_______________________
K-71, I was responding to “Late to the party”

godless heathen

April 11th, 2012
9:29 pm

TP,

Before I criticize any group, I will be sure to add “except for the veterans in the group for they can do no wrong.” I will expect the same from you.

Aquagirl

April 11th, 2012
9:32 pm

Are you so naive as to not see it?

I’m sure that Glock .40 will help any black folks too “naive” to see things from Kayaker’s POV.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
9:32 pm

del,

I do recall one of scout’s favorite words was “Occut*rd” and I and others called him out multiple times about his use of that word even when the crowds were proven to contain war vets. I don’t recall anyone challenging the validity of those vet’s claims to be real vets before you though.

bman

April 11th, 2012
9:32 pm

LTTP .. .. I can have an open mind & still believe that Sharpton is …I don’t even want to say what the man is. He has a track record. I’ll just have to disagree with you on him…

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
9:33 pm

Late

While many of their followers like to believe that Rush, Maddow, Hanitty, Olberman, etc are people providing the news… they are not
Granted many of the pundits sell what they are saying as “news” but at the end of the day it is opinion…….. Some times that opinion goes a little too far……

We could pick, choose and argue about what is “too far”, but yes they all at times go too far…..

If people want to be upset, they can be…… stage boycotts or whatever… but it is still opinion no matter how it is packaged

Anyone quoting Rush or Maddow as a “news source” no matter how intelligent is lost on that issue from the get go………

It is a little scary not that people listen to these people ( I myself lean left but listen and watch more right leaning pundits) but that some actually think they are getting unbiased “news”…..

Bernie

April 11th, 2012
9:34 pm

bman @ 9:10 pm – If you throw a rock into a group of PIGS, the one that hollars is the ONE you HIT!

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:34 pm

kayaker 71

April 11th, 2012
9:23 pm

that Black Guy, 9:14,

Yes, all of the perps were arrested in those two cases I mentioned and are now on death row or serving long sentences. My point in mentioning both of these cases centers around the fact that cases like this rarely make the front page, even in the community in which they happen. – OK

Black on white violence doesn’t get the same play by the media, the race pimps, the president, the attorney general….. no one. There are gazillions of black males killed in this country every year by other black males and you would not even know it was happening. – Have you noticed who you are addressing? I live around what YOU read about.

The media ignores it….. no one pays any attention. But when it comes to white on black violence, it is a totally different story. The media chimes in to fan the fires of unrest, the president panders to the victims to gain votes, the attorney general throws in his extra two cents and Jackson, Al, Maxine Waters pimp this whole thing to death. – And you ASSume I don’t know this.

We are wise to this charade. It is so predictable and turns out the same way every time. Are you so naive as to not see it? – Once again, Do you not see who you are talking to?

I’m not a fan of this Jessie, Al, NBP, Obama pandering BS.

BUT, I’m also not a fan of the “Fear of a Black Hat” BS from the other side.

Orange 12

April 11th, 2012
9:34 pm

Moonbat fires a shot across the bow.

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April 11th, 2012
9:34 pm

“If charges are filed, it would validate public outrage at the fact that prosecutors initially declined to pursue the case against Zimmerman. It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty; it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision.”

Or ……………..

1) It may mean the original decision was correct and now our justice system has bowed to political pressure.

2) Why wasn’t the case brought before a grand jury for a bill of indictment. Was it because the special prosecutor feared a “no bill” ?

3) You can get a judge to sign a warrant for just about anything. He looks only at one side ………. probably cause and not defense issues.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
9:35 pm

taxpayer- Ask scout and see what he says about the war vets that have been with the occupy crowd.

You know they let in a bunch of CAT IV’s and criminals in during the lean years. They had to go somewhere after they got kicked out. OWS is perfect for them.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
9:36 pm

godless,

I never made any demands of anyone regarding what they could call another and I certainly do not accept you demand. My original question was with regard to name calling of war vets that were in the occupy crowd by war vets that oppose the occupy crowd and why they would treat former brothers in arms that way. I said nothing about their freedom to do so. That’s up to them.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:37 pm

Late To The Party But…

April 11th, 2012
9:24 pm

Was this directed to me.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
9:38 pm

You know they let in a bunch of CAT IV’s and criminals in during the lean years. They had to go somewhere after they got kicked out. OWS is perfect for them.

And now I know what you, JKL2, think of that subset of war vets and why. You answered my question.

bman

April 11th, 2012
9:38 pm

Bernie .. .. Now it’s farm animals? Gee whiz … … All these thoughts of Zimmerman and “cellmate” fun really cranks your Evinrude up huh

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
9:40 pm

You know they let in a bunch of CAT IV’s and criminals in during the lean years. They had to go somewhere after they got kicked out. OWS is perfect for them.

Yet another deprave troop-slurring post.

And the supposed Republican veterans here will not say a word about such filth.

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April 11th, 2012
9:40 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

Sorry ………. but scroll down to “light blue” and “infantry collar insignia”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_branch_insignia

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:40 pm

Aquagirl

April 11th, 2012
9:32 pm

Are you so naive as to not see it?

I’m sure that Glock .40 will help any black folks too “naive” to see things from Kayaker’s POV.
__________________________________________________________________

I don’t know.

My SW 40cal may interfere with the translation. :evil:

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
9:41 pm

“Rightwing

Zimm’s dead. Black panthers found him”

Then I guess it’s a capital 1 murder charge for them then… it was obviously premeditated…

Both, I watch O’reilly but I just can’t do it for Hannity. That little gleam he gets in eye as he delivers what he knows to be a bald faced lie… it’s just too much…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 11th, 2012
9:41 pm

JKL2:

Same as with the Vietnam Vets. You violate U.S. law on U.S. turf and you go to jail.

Not complicated.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
9:42 pm

late to the party- but Rush will not even bother to defend his inane accusations with anyone of a differing opinion

He calls those people “callers”. With very few exceptions, Rush doesn’t interview anyone.

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April 11th, 2012
9:43 pm

TaxPayer:

If you are violating the law you are an “Occut*rd”, I don’t care if you have a Silver Star.

Two separate issues.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
9:46 pm

If you are violating the law you are an “Occut*rd”, I don’t care if you have a Silver Star.

I have not seen evidence of those war vets violating U.S. laws, scout. Do you have names and convictions to share with us or are you just assuming guilt based on their exercising their rights as U.S. citizens.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
9:47 pm

“That little gleam he gets in eye as he delivers what he knows to be a bald faced lie… it’s just too much…”

And that is the show…….. knowing people are walking away thinking they just got the “fair, balanced and unafraid” news…..

Oliely can be ok but do not watch him much anymore: Years ago when he went on a rant about how if WMDs were not found he would be shouting from the mountain tops about the Bush Administration……. as it became evident.. the excuses not the call him out became nightly rambles and “opines”. I would have to say that no WMD isn’t all in Bush’s lap, but I’m not the one with the show flip flopping like a fish out of water

willie lynch

April 11th, 2012
9:47 pm

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
9:47 pm

Answers to our most godly and pious poster here…

1) It may mean the original decision was correct and now our justice system has bowed to political pressure.

Maybe.

2) Why wasn’t the case brought before a grand jury for a bill of indictment. Was it because the special prosecutor feared a “no bill” ?

Maybe. Or it could this Republican prosecutor felt she had a strong enough case not to bow to right-leaning political pressure and judged the case by its merits. If he was indeed in danger and the cops that night thought they could bring charges, Zim could walk. Have you, fine christian soldier that you are, prayed for Trayvon Martin?

3) You can get a judge to sign a warrant for just about anything. He looks only at one side ………. probably cause and not defense issues.

Yep. Anytime you put yourself at the mercy of the courts and a judge you are literally gambling your constitutional rights, judges have infinite and almost unlimited power, and it’s getting worse. The better thing to do is to do ask the public safety people ask and not stalk folks.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
9:47 pm

jamvet- And the supposed Republican veterans here will not say a word about such filth

As a Republican and a Veteran, I think it was brilliant.

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
9:47 pm

Which of you Republicans here disagrees that this veteran is an “Occutard”?

F. Sinkwich
April 11th, 2012
6:50 pm

““For too long, our voices have been silenced, suppressed and ignored in favor of the voices of Wall Street and the banks and the corporations,” said Joseph Carter, a 27-year-old Iraq war veteran who marched Wednesday to Zuccotti Park, the epicenter of the movement that has spread worldwide.”

JamVet quotes an Occutard as a fountain of wisdom.

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
9:48 pm

Sorry, that shoud’ve been:

If he was indeed in danger, and the cops that night thought they could not bring charges, Zim could walk.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
9:49 pm

By the way, I think one of those North Georgia militia guys that confessed to terrorist acts is a war vet. What would you call him, scout.

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April 11th, 2012
9:52 pm

Headline (MSNBC): “Second-degree murder charge against George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting surprises legal experts”

“It seems like an enormous swing to be able go from not feeling you have enough evidence to arrest him, to charging him with essentially as high as you can charge him in second-degree murder,” Richard Hornsby, a criminal defense attorney in Orlando, Fla., told msnbc.com.

“Bottom line is there is very big difference between a righteous prosecution and an easy prosecution,” Coffey told msnbc TV.

The law also can let a judge, in an evidentiary hearing before a jury trial, determine that a defendant can’t be prosecuted due to the self-defense argument.

“There’s no telling what happens here. Say what you will about the case, it’s not a slam-dunk in terms of the evidence,” Savannah Guthrie, chief legal analyst at NBC News, said shortly before charges were brought. “There’s conflicting evidence and in our system the tie goes to the accused. Innocent before proven guilty.”

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/11/11147895-second-degree-murder-charge-against-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-surprises-legal-experts?lite

P.S. It APPEARS that the above article was not doctored by MSNBC.

InAtl

April 11th, 2012
9:55 pm

re: Late to the Party says:
***The point that some of you miss and has been repeatedly made on this blog is… the arresting officers decided to be judge and jury. If “Stand Your Ground” is Zimmerman’s defense, then let it play out in a court of law.***

Actually they didn’t. He was interrogated for hours and a decision was made by the powers that be in the city of Sanford.

***Also, in the cases Kayaker mentioned, I believe the perpertrators were arrested. All the people were asking for was an arrest and a day in court. That is the American way right?***

Actually people are arrested when it is deemed that there is enough evidence to support a conviction. When this incident happened people apparently believed the witness(es) and Zimmerman, along with the physical evidence they had. For whatever reason, they have changed their mind. A trial will bring the facts to light for all to judge which decision was the correct one.

***How people are so easily able to turn this into a political issue is so beyond me. Had Zimmerman remained in his vehicle, perhaps we would not be having this discussion.***

Gee, I wonder who’s made it a political issue. Oh, wait! Bring in Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. That always helps to keep things apolitical.

***A lot of you like to criticize Al Sharpton. I will give you the Brawley incident. But most of you have probably never listened to Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton will stand up to any of your conservative race pimps to defend his beliefs. Can’t say the same for the indirect race baiters of the so-called conservative party.***

Al Sharpton has a long an tawdry track record. Have you forgotten about the people who were beaten and killed in the Crown Heights riots he helped instigate? We’ve all had to listen to Al Sharpton ad nauseum. So please, don’t suggest we haven’t “listened” to him.

Jm

April 11th, 2012
9:56 pm

Wonder what zimm is thinking in jail now

How do I get a legal team? Probably…

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April 11th, 2012
9:57 pm

Jm:

His book, movie rights, television appearances if he is exonerated, etc.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:57 pm

As a VFW, I have seen BOTH sides call vets everything but a child of G*d. NEITHER side is innocent.

When the sh*t hits the fan, this case was messed up after the prosecutor declined to file charges.

Al and the Pimp Mob further screwed the pooch.

Aquagirl

April 11th, 2012
9:57 pm

My SW 40cal may interfere with the translation.

With any luck it won’t be an issue. I think Kayaker said he lives near the mountains, a lot of my friends don’t hike unarmed any more since Gary Hilton murdered and decapitated that young woman. So one day he might find out it how much it sucks when HE’S the one being profiled and shot. All those women aren’t carrying guns to protect themselves from black men, my friend. It’s the guys who probably look like our favorite melanin-phobic kayaker.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
9:57 pm

jamvet- Yet another deprave troop-slurring post.

We all can’t be war heroes like John Kerry, Lying before Congress, and throwing someone else’s medals over the White House fence (pretending as if they were his own).

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 11th, 2012
9:59 pm

TaxPayer:

I don’t know if these guys were Vets. or not but if they were I don’t care. Do the crime do the time.

1) An Occupy Orlando protester was convicted Tuesday of trespassing at a city park and sentenced to probation and community service, court records show.

William Ezell, 33, was arrested Nov. 6 on charges of trespass and being at Senator Beth Johnson Park on Ivanhoe Boulevard after hours. A jury Tuesday found him guilty of both offenses.

2) Press Release District Attorney’s Office: On Thursday, March 29, 2012, a Humboldt County jury found Michael Herbert Emke, 39, guilty of unauthorized lodging for illegally camping on county property.

moonbat betty

April 11th, 2012
9:59 pm

Kerry was the WORST nominee ever.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
10:00 pm

Here’s my tribute to PB, who ran a 5K with me tonight on only her 4th time out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjtOzLfebgY

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:00 pm

taxpayer- Do you have names and convictions to share with us or are you just assuming guilt based on their exercising their rights as U.S. citizens.

because we all know the first thing listed in police records is veteran status….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 11th, 2012
10:01 pm

TaxPayer:

“By the way, I think one of those North Georgia militia guys that confessed to terrorist acts is a war vet. What would you call him, scout.”

A criminal ……………. like Benedict Arnold.

Next.

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
10:01 pm

@If you don’t think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
9:37 pm
Late To The Party But…

April 11th, 2012
9:24 pm

Was this directed to me.

At 9:14 You ended your post by asking “Like Who?” to my previous post. So yes I guess it was directed to you.

@JKL2

April 11th, 2012
9:42 pm
late to the party- but Rush will not even bother to defend his inane accusations with anyone of a differing opinion

He calls those people “callers”. With very few exceptions, Rush doesn’t interview anyone.

My point exactly. Rush gets to sit behind a microphone regurgitating what has been prepared for him without having anyone question him. If he shoud accept a so-called “librul” caller, the conversation usually goes something like, “why r u a librul? do u work, do u pay taxes, do u believe in personal responsiblity? ” Answer yes and it’s like the heavens open and Rush reveals to u that u r in fact a conservative and the caller says “thanks u have given me something to think about”.

Rush, a smart man that learned to work the bigotry of America.

Jm

April 11th, 2012
10:01 pm

Scout
True

He may get rich as opposed to just being a d bag in hiding

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April 11th, 2012
10:03 pm

Rightwing Troll:

“Answers to our most godly and pious poster here…

1) It may mean the original decision was correct and now our justice system has bowed to political pressure.

Maybe. (THANK YOU !)

2) Why wasn’t the case brought before a grand jury for a bill of indictment. Was it because the special prosecutor feared a “no bill” ?

Maybe. (THANK YOU !)

3) You can get a judge to sign a warrant for just about anything. He looks only at one side ………. probable cause and not defense issues.

Yep. (THANK YOU MUCH !)

WHY DID YOU EVEN REPLY ?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:04 pm

“We all can’t be war heroes like John Kerry, ”

Or having “other priorities” like Cheney…. His quote, not mine

Or flying sorties up and down the Gulf Coast protecting the beaches of Gulf Shores to Panama City from Viet Cong and NVA invasion

right?

You going to call them…… let’s call them ALL out,,,,,,,,, don’t let your politics blind you from the FACTS

PlatinumBlack

April 11th, 2012
10:04 pm

Here’s my tribute to PB, who ran a 5K with me tonight on only her 4th time out

He was chasing me. I was running AWAY.

moonbat betty

April 11th, 2012
10:05 pm

Don't Forget

April 11th, 2012
10:05 pm

Jm

April 11th, 2012
9:56 pm

Wonder what zimm is thinking in jail now

How do I get a legal team? Probably…

He’s already got one, and he sounds way more competent than those other guys, which is good. The last thing this case needs is incompetent lawyers on either side.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:06 pm

jamvet- JamVet quotes an Occutard as a fountain of wisdom

You nailed that one.

Here’s some more of your heroes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I&feature=related

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:06 pm

Scout

I know you are welcome like us all to your opinion, but earlier you called out a blogger because of what was said about West’s service

Let’s hear it……… don;t give JKL2 that pass

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April 11th, 2012
10:06 pm

Rightwing Troll:

“Have you, fine christian soldier that you are, prayed for Trayvon Martin?”

Nope. For his family yes ………. but not for him as it’s too late. He is already in eternity.

That’s why one must be ready to go BEFORE that last breath.

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
10:08 pm

“WHY DID YOU EVEN REPLY ?”

To point out the hypocrisy of those who profess to be the most christian among us. Never trust a man who spouts bible verses, false prophets and all.

You didn’t answer my question. Did you pray for Trayvon? Editing out most of my comments was cute and all, I commend you for your cleverness, but what say ye? Did the fine upstanding christian man pray for the godless boy who attacked a helpless law abiding citizen?

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:09 pm

scout,

You did not identify any war vets as having been arrested and convicted at any occupy gathering so I take it you are just assuming in that case when you label those war vets as “occut*rds”, etc. Further, one of the North Georgia confessed terrorists is confirmed to be a vet. Do you have a name you would like to call him. Occut*rd won’t work though because he was definitely not seen at any of those events. I don’t know if he ever attended a Tea Party gathering though. Which reminds me, do you have a special label comparable to “Occut*rd that you use for people that break the law at a Tea Party events. Perhaps for someone that places their boot up against the side of a young lady’s face in order to keep her pinned down to the ground. You could use “TeaT*rds”. What do you think? Just curious.

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
10:11 pm

Of course you didn’t. There’s a big surprise.

So once your dead there’s no redemption, so any praying at a funeral is useless, and a waste of time?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:11 pm

PB

If you goal is a 10k and you ran a 5k today………… Keep up the pace……. you will have no problem at all. It will take some work to get there, but you can do it

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:12 pm

they both- You going to call them…… let’s call them ALL out

Still waiting on that obama/Biden war record report…

Jm

April 11th, 2012
10:12 pm

Troll

Perhaps consider parking the religion thing

Questioning someone’s faith is not very polite, put simply

Where are your southern manners?

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:13 pm

JKL2

Yet you couldn’t kiss Bush and Cheney ass enough, thought Reagan was the 13th disciple

You fn hypocrite,,,,,,,, plain and simple

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
10:13 pm

“Still waiting on that obama/Biden war record report…”

They killed the bad guy that Bush/Rummy let ride away on a donkey, and closed out a fraudulent war of choice started on bald faced lies… There you go.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:14 pm

JKL2

Did you vote for Chambliss and Isakson?

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
10:14 pm

“Where are your southern manners?”

Too much time in the south, and too much experience with evil men spouting bible verses.

But I apologize.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:16 pm

because we all know the first thing listed in police records is veteran status….

That does not seem to keep some, such as scout or you, from assuming more about those war vets in the occupy crowd than the fact that they were simply there exercising their rights as U.S. citizens.

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April 11th, 2012
10:17 pm

They BOTH suck:

I’ve already spent a lot of time on that ………. could you be more specific ?

West is quoted as saying he “would walk through hell with a gas can if it meant protecting his troops” or something to that effect.

That’s the kind of leader I want. A combat as opposed to a barracks officer.

If you want to know the type of person I mean read a couple of books about Col. David Hackworth, probably the most decorated U.S. soldier since Audy Murphy:

2 Distinguished Service Crosses
10 Silver Stars
1 Distinguished Flying Cross
8 Bronze Stars
8 Purple Hearts
Air Medal (1 V Device)
Army Commendation Medal (4 V Devices)

All the above are only valor devices for Korea and Vietnam.

Col. Hackworth was the Billy Mitchell of the modern Army and got in more trouble with the brass than will ever be know but he’s the guy would would get you home and they were fearful and jealous of him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:18 pm

Troll

JKl2 seems to be very selective in his condemnation on who served and who didn’t, whose service is valid and whose isn’t

The hypocrisy is blinding him as if he were looking right into the sun

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:18 pm

taxpayer- do you have a special label comparable to “Occut*rd that you use for people that break the law at a Tea Party events

Have there been any arrests at a Tea Party event yet? I’m guessing if someone was arrested, it was one of your liberal protester friends crashing the event.

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April 11th, 2012
10:19 pm

Rightwing Troll:

Read my 10:06 …………. or NOT.

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
10:19 pm

I just thought he wanted to hear Obama’s war record.

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April 11th, 2012
10:19 pm

TaxPayer:

I don’t work for you.

Look up every conviction so far and prove to me none of them were veterans ………… or NOT.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
10:20 pm

Looks like the crowd has dispersed somewhat, but let’s get a few definitions cleared up:

Racism–A belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Liberal Racism–The belief that people with black skin are “disadvantaged” (= inferior) to those with white skin, and therefore deserving of special treatment/special protections.

But because it’s always wrapped up in a benevolent paternalistic package, it’s never seen for what it is. I’m sure if josef were here, he could articulate this point better than I have.

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April 11th, 2012
10:21 pm

JKL2:

Not much trash, rapes, defecating, urinating in public, drug usage, unsanitary conditions, etc.

Rabble !

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:21 pm

Scout

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April 11th, 2012
4:05 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
No ……….. you will not get that courtesy from me when you try to degrade his awards/service.

Once again, you have your right to post what and when you want, but with JKL2 being pretty sarcastic about Kerry, figured you would at least say something

Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
10:21 pm

I did scout, and asked a legitimate question. Is it useless praying at a funeral then?

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April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm

They BOTH suck:

Kerry called me and other vets baby killers.

He deserves no respect.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm

they both- Did you vote for Chambliss and Isakson?

Mark Ryan. I’m not registered in GA.

For the record I have nothing against Roland Burris. I think he was a pawn in that whole scandal. Too bad obama couldn’t have got 14 years too, because I’m sure he was just as guilty.

barking frog

April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm

Vets suck -my dog

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm

Late To The Party But…

April 11th, 2012
10:01 pm something to think about”.

Rush, a smart man that learned to work the bigotry of America.
___________________________________________________________________

How much power would Rush have if YOU guys didn’t give it TO him?

Just like the NBBP and Fox. They give the NBPP most of their power.

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm

@Rightwing Troll

April 11th, 2012
10:11 pm
Of course you didn’t. There’s a big surprise.

So once your dead there’s no redemption, so any praying at a funeral is useless, and a waste of time?

If you believe in the gospel of christianity and/or what christian ministers preach, then yes; praying for the deceased at the funeral is useless. My understanidng is that the sermon at a funeral is for those mourning. A warning to “right with God” so that they will see their loved one again. I could be wrong.

My problem with christians and their beliefs about death and the afterlife is this…If the lord is going to come back to judge the living and the dead, then why do all so-called christians claim a deceased person is in a better place, with the lord, after their death. If the lord has not come back to judge, how can they be so certain a deceased person is with the lord? Just askin…

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm

Scout

as for West……… I posted on that blog that West should be commended for his service

JamVet

April 11th, 2012
10:23 pm

Just as I suspected, JKL2, Scout and these other supposed veterans make no distinctions about law breakers or not. To them everybody who protests, all of their fellow veterans included, are retards.

As Hillbilly D said, I’ve flushed better than them.

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April 11th, 2012
10:23 pm

Rightwing Troll :

For the deceased yes.

“For it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement.”

“For unless you believe in Me you will DIE (emphasis added) in your sins.”

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April 11th, 2012
10:24 pm

They BOTH suck: @ 10:22.

Great !

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:24 pm

I don’t work for you.

Look up every conviction so far and prove to me none of them were veterans ………… or NOT.

In other words, you do just assume that the war vets (that you call names) at the occupy events are breaking the law because you definitely do not know for a fact. Thanks for clarifying that for me (and del), scout.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
10:25 pm

Scout

fair enough…………. I figured as much when you posted earlier.

No problem. No harm, No foul

Thanks for the willingness to reply and clarify

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April 11th, 2012
10:26 pm

Late to the party:

You (the saved and unsaved) are judge later as to work but NOT YOUR SALVATION.

There for I believe as the Bible teaches there will be rewards in heaven for the saved there will also be punishments for the unsaved.

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April 11th, 2012
10:27 pm

TaxPayer:

Noooooooooooooo ……………………. not unless they break the law, are arrested, convicted and lose all of their appeals.

Next.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:27 pm

they both- Yet you couldn’t kiss Bush and Cheney ass enough, thought Reagan was the 13th disciple

How so?

I’ll admit Reagan was a great American. Loved our country and made you proud to be a part of it. obama hates our country and is embarrassed to be part of it. My how times have changed…

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April 11th, 2012
10:30 pm

JamVet:

A couple of points.

1) To my knowledge (re: “flushed them”) I refrain from making personal attacks on bloggers here.
If you can show me where I have failed I will apologize.

2) “Just as I suspected, JKL2, Scout and these other supposed veterans make no distinctions about law breakers or not. To them everybody who protests, all of their fellow veterans included, are retards.”

You suspected wrong and I don’t think you can show me where I might have posted something that would promote that.

I have demonstrated for pro-life rallies. I am a veteran. I didn’t throw trash, stayed on the route, didn’t provoke the police, etc., etc.

Big difference.

Just as I suspected, JKL2, Scout and these other supposed veterans make no distinctions about law breakers or not. To them everybody who protests, all of their fellow veterans included, are retards.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:32 pm

I appreciate some of you vets (scout and JKL2 in particular) clarifying my concerns regarding your treatment of other vets. I had the mistaken impression based on some past exchanges between some of the vets on here that there was some sort of comradery that extended out to all vets but now I see that there are definitely cliques within the vets, just like in the population as a whole.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:32 pm

jamvet- As Hillbilly D said, I’ve flushed better than them.

I think you could say that about any OWS protester.

Occupy Patrol Base: At least our movements have a purpose.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:35 pm

taxpayer- Look up every conviction so far and prove to me none of them were veterans

Still waiting to see where “veteran status” comes up in the police blotter.

Where’s Brosephus when you need him!

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:35 pm

Look up every conviction so far and prove to me none of them were veterans ………… or NOT

Noooooooooooooo Scout. That is you inferring that the vets that attended those occupy rallies have been arrested and convicted of crimes. Own it, scout.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
10:36 pm

“We all can’t be war heroes like John Kerry, ”

JamVet–I’m still a little confused as to what the rules are in critiquing combat veterans. Though I didn’t watch the tape, apparently West had some harsh words for other vets which you took offense too, which gave you license to call him a lot of bad names. Yet, when John Kerry did essentially the same thing, you disallow any criticism of him. Is there some difference, or subtle nuance that I’m missing??

Personally, I don’t think military service should give anyone a free pass for anything.

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
10:38 pm

@If you don’t think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm

How much power would Rush have if YOU guys didn’t give it TO him?

Just like the NBBP and Fox. They give the NBPP most of their power.

Sorry I don’t know how to italicize so I can differentiate between the comments made and my response. But anyway, I hope you are not implying “I” give Rush power.

Rush’s power comes from the same people who claim Sharpton, Jesse, et al to be race pimps. Those same people just don’t seem to understand that Rush and those who have copied him are race pimps.

Rush couldn’t give a rat’s but who leads this country. As long as he can race bait his audience, and make money for Clear Chanel and himself, he’s good.

Racism supporting Capitalism at its best.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:38 pm

JKL2,

What did you claim earlier about those vets at the occupy gatherings. I do think it was you that labeled them without any proof unless you are pulling up their records from where you sit.

td

April 11th, 2012
10:44 pm

Jesse and Al are not “race pimps” they are as Herman put it “field bosses” paid to keep blacks on the liberal plantation.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
10:46 pm

taxpayer- I do think it was you that labeled them without any proof unless you are pulling up their records from where you sit

Particpation in the senseless destruction of public property makes them at least an accessory to the crime. We’d call that an honor code violation.

If you don't think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
10:48 pm

Late To The Party But…

April 11th, 2012
10:38 pm

@If you don’t think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
Rush couldn’t give a rat’s but who leads this country. As long as he can race bait his audience, and make money for Clear Chanel and himself, he’s good.
______________________________________________________________________
I you can’t see the Al $harpton, Je$$ie Jackson, Van Jone$, et al do the EXACT same thing, then it is a waste of time “talking” to you.

Same cause ($), different sides.

Racism supporting Capitalism at its best.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
10:48 pm

If the lord is going to come back to judge the living and the dead, then why do all so-called christians claim a deceased person is in a better place, with the lord, after their death. If the lord has not come back to judge, how can they be so certain a deceased person is with the lord?

LTTP–You’re assuming that modern Christians actually read and follow the Bible. Bad assumption.

In fact, the Judgement Day of the Bible will be in the future. People who are in their graves right now will be physically resurrected at that time. That is if you believe the Bible. The only group that I’ve seen come close to reading the Bible carefully and following the commandments seriously are the Seventh Day Adventists. And their reward for doing so is to be labeled “cultists” by mainstream Christian groups.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:50 pm


JKL2

April 11th, 2012
9:35 pm

taxpayer- Ask scout and see what he says about the war vets that have been with the occupy crowd.

You know they let in a bunch of CAT IV’s and criminals in during the lean years. They had to go somewhere after they got kicked out. OWS is perfect for them.

JKL2,

Those look like stronger words than simply participating in an event that may or may not have resulted in an arrest and conviction for destruction of property by a vet. Then again, I do recall something about a vet out in California destroying a tear gas canister when it hit him. I didn’t know that was considered a criminal offense though. Learn something new every day.

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April 11th, 2012
10:50 pm

TaxPayer:

Not “cliques”.

Lawbreakers vs. non-lawbreakers.

John Glenn’s vs. Lee Harvery Oswald’s.

Surely you can understand that.

You know ………. there’s SEAL Team 6 and then there’s :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_0EaOO7OFc

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
10:53 pm

We all can’t be war heroes like John Kerry, ”

How can John Kerry be a war hero when he himself says that he committed atrocities? Do you guys not believe him? Ya’ll calling him a liar?

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
10:54 pm

Scout,

That was pretty funny about the MSNBC link not being “doctored”. At least not to the best of our knowledge anyway.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
10:58 pm

Scout,

I think clique works especially given you views of any vets that attend an occupy rally.

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
11:00 pm

And of course there’s also your views, Scout, about gays in the military.

JKL2

April 11th, 2012
11:01 pm

taxpayer- Then again, I do recall something about a vet out in California destroying a tear gas canister when it hit him

In all my years, I can honestly say I’ve never had police fire tear gas at me. He may have been innocent, but at the same time, he wasn’t completely innocent was he…

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April 11th, 2012
11:02 pm

TaxPayer:

“Scout,

I think clique works especially given you views of any vets that attend an occupy rally.”

Again, you are intentionally (like MSNBC) doctoring the record. You should be ashamed. Show me where I said that !

I said VIOLATE THE LAW !

What part of that do you not understand?

I have attended peaceful marches ……… and I didn’t not violate the law.

TaxPayer, you are normally a sharp person. Are you just being argumentative or have you been hitting the sauce ?

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April 11th, 2012
11:03 pm

Excuse me: “did not violate”

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April 11th, 2012
11:05 pm

TaxPayer:

“And of course there’s also your views, Scout, about gays in the military.”

Again, you are doctoring the record a la NBC.

OPENLY SERVING Gays.

Gays have always been there.

I support “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” as do millions of Americans.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
11:06 pm

Bruno,

I’m with you on that. I’m a big fan of Doug Batchelor if you know who he is. Anyway, I always had questions about the bible that seemed to make no sense to me whatsoever and was agnostic for much of my life because a lot of elements of what I had been taught as a baptist or methodist simply made no sense to me and struck me as illogical. The 7th day adventists logically go by what the bible actually says from what I’ve read- the Sabbath day is a great example as is the concept of hell and whether people are really burning up in hell right now- they aren’t. They seem to be the only ones that have these things right as well as your point about the resurrection.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
11:08 pm

In all my years, I can honestly say I’ve never had police fire tear gas at me. He may have been innocent, but at the same time, he wasn’t completely innocent was he…

For the life of me, I still can’t figure out what excites the liberals so much about the OWS crowd. Never a more useless bunch have I seen. Probably a year or so into the “movement”, and what to show for it except millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars flushed down the drain.

My buddy JamVet is convinced that they were the driving force behind the abandonment by the banks of new ATM fees. I think that had more to do with complaints from paying customers.

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April 11th, 2012
11:08 pm

TaxPayer:

I also do not support women in the combat arms (infantry, armor and artillery). So what ?

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
11:08 pm

Scout,

Are you now saying that all those attending occupy gatherings are not violating the law. You need to be clearer if you expect me to interpret your statements in a more specific manner than as you originally presented them. You certainly made no distinctions in the past with your application of words such as “occut*rd”.

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April 11th, 2012
11:11 pm

Thulsa:

Luke 16:

“19 “There was a rich man who would dress in purple and fine linen, feasting lavishly every day. 20 But a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, was left at his gate. 21 He longed to be filled with what fell from the rich man’s table, but instead the dogs would come and lick his sores. 22 One day the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s side.[e] The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torment in Hades, he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off, with Lazarus at his side. 24 ‘Father Abraham!’ he called out, ‘Have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this flame!’ …………… “

TaxPayer

April 11th, 2012
11:12 pm

I also do not support women in the combat arms (infantry, armor and artillery). So what ?

I think that further reinforces my use of the word clique for the subset of the military that thinks as you. It’s just a word, Scout. And it certainly does not have any negative connotation associated with it as does the assemblage of letters and character, “occut*rd”. Don’t you agree.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
11:14 pm

Anyway, I always had questions about the bible that seemed to make no sense to me whatsoever and was agnostic for much of my life because a lot of elements of what I had been taught as a baptist or methodist simply made no sense to me and struck me as illogical.

My reading of the Bible revealed a very strange document. Particularly interesting are the Old Testament references to sheol, the grave, vs. New Testament references to hades and gehenna = Hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol

http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/hades.html

BADA BING

April 11th, 2012
11:14 pm

Zimmermann turned himself in. Does he get the Black Panty Party reward?

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
11:15 pm

@If you don’t think like MY party, then YOU are wrong (That Black Guy)

April 11th, 2012
10:48 pm

I you can’t see the Al $harpton, Je$$ie Jackson, Van Jone$, et al do the EXACT same thing, then it is a waste of time “talking” to you.

I think you’re attempting to have a disagreement where there is none.

My point is racism for profit exists on both sides of the rainbow. So where as Rush and his supporters get to call Sharpton, Jackson, and others of the darker persuasion race pimps, the audience of the lighter persuasion don’t seem to understand that their so-called mouth pieces are also race pimps on the other end of the color spectrum.

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April 11th, 2012
11:21 pm

TaxPayer:

I’ll try this one more time:

1) Demonstrator: Someone who is part of the “Occupy” movement (veteran or not) but who obeys all laws regarding same).

2) Occut*rd (with an “a”: Someone who is a member of this movement and is thus being used just like the hyppie-dippies of the 60’s/70’s. They take over parks, buildings, maintain poor hygiene, deny others access to work, etc., etc.

3) Occut*rd (with a “u”: Someone of this groups who stone sober or in a drunken/drug induced stupor likes to defecate and urinate in public (veteran or not).

BADA BING

April 11th, 2012
11:22 pm

I am withholding my judgement until I see both partys’ baby pictures.

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April 11th, 2012
11:22 pm

BADA:

When I saw that photo of him in the police garage he was wearing a “hookie”.

He had better watch it !

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
11:22 pm

Scout,

People reference that passage and say right there that it means that people are burning up in Hell. Not so fast. The passage is allegorical similar to if I were telling you about Alice in Wonderland. You know there is no wonderland but if I tell you or your kids a story about it you and your kids still understand the concept of what I’m talking about right? Also, if he is writhing in torment in hades do you really believe a drop of water from the tip of someone’s finger is going to sooth their thirst or cool their body from hellfire torment. That right there tells you the story is allegorical.

Also, let me ask you a common sense question about punishment in hell. If someone murdered someone else 5,000 years ago and went to hell and was burning in hell for 5,000 years do you think his punishment should be 5,000 years longer than that of say Hitler who murdered 6 million Jews alone and who just recently went to hell? Its not logical nor consistent. I like to think that God is both logical and consistent.

And do you also think that that person who committed one murder 5,000 years ago should be burning in hellfire torment for all of eternity for the sins of one meager lifetime? How logical is that?

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

@Bruno

April 11th, 2012
10:48 pm

Sorry for the later response. If u r still blogging…there is one religious group out there that makes a little sense to me and that is the “Church of God”, not to be confused with the “Church of God In Christ”.

I attended a funeral for a co-worker who was a Church of God member. They have no instruments in the church and they believe that the old testament is for historical references only. They believe the new testament is the covenant by which christians are to live. I found that very interesting and believable.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

If someone murdered someone else 5,000 years ago and went to hell and was burning in hell for 5,000 years do you think his punishment should be 5,000 years longer than that of say Hitler who murdered 6 million Jews alone and who just recently went to hell?

From a mathematical standpoint, the two infinities are still numerically equivalent despite the different starting points. That part is mathematically logical.

But, your larger point that “Hell” is not consistently defined throughout the Bible is correct, Scout’s quote not withstanding.

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April 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

It says a “certain man” and “Lazarus” ……….. it’s NOT a parable. In Jesus’ other parable he didn’t use names.

Jesus said “eternity”. It’s not mine to question. For a human to try and use “logic” to understand the holy, righteous, omniscient, all powerful, mind of God is futile.

“Does the pot have the right to question the potter ………. form me this way?”

One more thing …………… to add “works” to simple faith in Christ is to say what He did on the cross was not sufficent.

TAPS !

independent thinker

April 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

Sean Hannity played the reverse race card tonight – you would think there were race riots in the street after listening to him. Al Sharpton played the Martin Luther King card and appealed to nonviolent sentiments of all races. Wonder what Jesse J. will say.

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
11:29 pm

They believe the new testament is the covenant by which christians are to live. I found that very interesting and believable.

They are free to do so as free Americans, but the New Testament was not intended to be a separate, distinct set of books from the Old Testament by its own instruction. Jesus never converted to Christianity himself. He was a Jew to the end.

Kiss my grits

April 11th, 2012
11:31 pm

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please April 11th, 2012
3:39 pm Since the news media has already tried and convicted him, why not just go ahead and announce the sentence. That will come later when he has a trial. Finally.

Sort like the “justice” in the O. J. Simpson case . . Oh! And the justice in the Duke rape case!!!

moonbat betty

April 11th, 2012
11:32 pm

laid back.

with my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cxr1-b6Xkc

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
11:34 pm

Bruno

Being born Jewish, he had no choice but to die a Jew… bada bing

Just kidding, Couldn’t help myself with the cheap humor

Knew you meant his religious ideology

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
11:38 pm

Scout,

I didn’t see where in that passage Jesus used the word eternity. But I do know there are plenty of times in the bible where terms such as “forever and ever” are used and it doesn’t actually mean forever and ever. 2 quick examples- it said I think that Jonah was in the whale forever or something to that effect. Is jonah still in that whale today? It also speaks of that city dump gehennah and its everlasting or everburning fire? Is that dump still burning today?

And I don’t question God’s logic. I question the logic of those who interpret his word and their logic of what they think the good Lord is saying.

Late To The Party But...

April 11th, 2012
11:42 pm

They are free to do so as free Americans, but the New Testament was not intended to be a separate, distinct set of books from the Old Testament by its own instruction. Jesus never converted to Christianity himself. He was a Jew to the end.

Not able to debate this at length as I am not a biblical scholar. I do have to disagree about the New Testament not intended to be a separate set of books. Mark 10 specifically contradicts the manner in which a man may put away his wife (divorce). So I tend to believe a new covenant was born. There is also a conflict between the old / new testaments as to the meats one is to eat.

Anyway… enjoyed the back n forth. Have a good night. I enjoy intelligent debate.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
11:43 pm

TD

I’m sure you know I’m not a religious guy………… However I always find it strange when people will on one hand say that the Bible is the “exact” word of God then they want to “interpret” when it meets their needs………. oh but don’t let someone else “interpret”………… there will be problems at that time

As long as it isn’t being forced on or someone condemning me to my face, people are free to believe or not believe as the wish…………. I can only hope that what ever that belief is, that it is a blessing for them and helps and guides them through life

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
11:44 pm

One more thing …………… to add “works” to simple faith in Christ is to say what He did on the cross was not sufficent.

More false theology, Scout. Christ never repudiated the traditional Judgment Day scheme by which we are judged not by our faith alone, but by our track record in life, our “works”.

As James put it: “Faith without works is dead”.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
11:45 pm

Bruno

How did you like my “zinger” I threw at you?

Bruno

April 11th, 2012
11:50 pm

Mark 10 specifically contradicts the manner in which a man may put away his wife (divorce). So I tend to believe a new covenant was born. There is also a conflict between the old / new testaments as to the meats one is to eat.

LTTP–The contradictions of the Bible aren’t all NT vs OT contradictions. There are numerous basic contradictions between and within all of the books of the Bible. And though a New Covenant WAS struck in the NT, it does not do away with following previously established Biblical commandments.

However I always find it strange when people will on one hand say that the Bible is the “exact” word of God then they want to “interpret” when it meets their needs………. oh but don’t let someone else “interpret”………… there will be problems at that time

TBS–Very astute observation, my friend. Outside of the SDAs, not many folks walking the walk IME.

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
11:52 pm

They BOTH suck,

I think man has been corrupting the bible ever since there was one. The biggest example I see of the corruption of what the bible says is when man, not God, changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. I’m certainly not the expert on it that Scout is but I’ve seen enough explanations on various things from the bible from several different vantages points, baptis, methodist, catholic. Such things as what we are discussing that to me what the 7th day adventists say the bible is saying is far more logical and more importantly the actual truth of what is being said and in the right context than what other protestant groups are saying. Some of the tenets such as the true sabbath day are so straightforward that I can’t understand how it can be disputed.

td

April 11th, 2012
11:56 pm

Just more proof that there is only a “war on liberal women” made up by the democratic party. Ann Romney is not a lib woman so she is fair game to attack. Hypocrisy at is best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vrE7DG1OWc&feature=youtu.be

Thulsa Doom

April 11th, 2012
11:58 pm

“As long as it isn’t being forced on or someone condemning me to my face,

TBS,

Thats one other thing that always turned me off to religion when I was younger. The hellfire and brimstone baptist preaching and trying to scare you into believing in God. Just didnt seem right to me that you should be scared into believing in a loving God. You should have a healthy fear of his judgement but you shouldnt be scared into loving the Lord which is contradictory. That people judgementally declare to others that they are not worthy of Gods good graces or that they are condemned or going to hell or whatever is a sad indictment on them and their misconstruing of what its all supposed to be about.

They BOTH suck

April 11th, 2012
11:58 pm

TD

I hear you……. That’s why I am of the opinion that an individual’s religious ideology and spirituality should be a personal endeavor. Of course people may want to share and discuss with their family and friends as well as worship at a church, synagogue, etc ….. at the end of the day if the an individual says his “faith” is x, y and z, even if I don’t agree, it is still x,y, z

Now if it is politics……… I have to come at you guns blazing with a scorched earth policy…………. just kidding

Have a great night

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:00 am

TD and Bruno

Good dialogue

You both have a great night and an even better tomorrow

you too……. td

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
12:01 am

I’m certainly not the expert on it that Scout is but I’ve seen enough explanations on various things from the bible from several different vantages points, baptis, methodist, catholic.

I’ve quizzed him directly on this point in the past, and he had no realistic answer other than it being a post-Christ custom. As a point of history, Constantine’s conversion to Christianity in the 300s solidified many of these extra-Biblical customs as being the “official” custom from that point forward.

Pretty easy to identify an “activist” Christian. Just ask them if they celebrate Easter, Christmas or their birthday, and ask them which day of the week is the Sabbath.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
12:04 am

The hellfire and brimstone baptist preaching and trying to scare you into believing in God. Just didnt seem right to me that you should be scared into believing in a loving God.

I had more kindly ministers growing up. My issue had more to do with the Physics of heaven and miracles. Too big of a stretch for me to swallow.

Late To The Party But...

April 12th, 2012
12:07 am

@Bruno April 11th, 2012 11:50 pm – not many folks walking the walk IME.

Could not agree more. I avoid the stores on Sunday after the so-called Church folk get out. I hear a lot of sermons, but I rarely see one. I’ve heard the saying “I’d rather see a sermon than to hear one”.

I often read Bookman’s editorial/blog, but rarely post. From reading your post, I know that you and I are of opposite political affiliations, but again it was nice to have a civil disagreement with you. Thanks.

I’m really out this time unless you respond with something really witty.

Dang…a cute smiley face after my last statement would have made me seem so so cool.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
12:07 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqqN0_WCS28

Take extra care not to lose what you feel
The apple you’re eating is simple and real
Water the flowers that grow at your heel
guiding your vision to heaven and heaven is in your mind

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
12:10 am

From reading your post, I know that you and I are of opposite political affiliations, but again it was nice to have a civil disagreement with you. Thanks.

LTTP–Agreement with me has never been a requirement of friendship. Being cool is my only requirement. Looking forward to sparring in the future.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:11 am

saw Traffic at Chastain back in 94 or so

Rained most of the show, but man was it good

and I’m out for sure this time

getting late

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
12:14 am

“Agreement with me has never been a requirement of friendship. Being cool is my only requirement. Looking forward to sparring in the future.”

Well not out yet

Wish more bloggers on all sides felt the same way…….. I’m sure more do than their blogging persona lets on, however I think a few of the folks on here are just nasty regardless of their politics

3rd time……….. Out

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:16 am

Bruno,

I just always incorrectly assumed Sunday was the sabbath day until a 7th day adventist told me differently. And to be honest I thought he was nuts. Then I asked several different protestants and 2 pastors and got about 10 different answers on it. Turned out he was right and it was eye opening to me. Whats interesting about the change is that from what Ive read the Catholic church freely and openly admits to sanctioning the changing of the sabbath to Sunday. Its right there in one of their eucenemicals.

And while Ive never attended a 7th day adventist church I will tell you that those people do in fact actually live their religion. Them and Mormons are about the only groups I see that generally speaking actually do practice their religion.

Thulsa Doom

April 12th, 2012
12:17 am

All of yall have a good night. Been an interesting conversation. Doomy down and out for the count.

Late To The Party But...

April 12th, 2012
12:23 am

LTTP–Agreement with me has never been a requirement of friendship. Being cool is my only requirement. Looking forward to sparring in the future.

Thanks. Most of the people in my life that I love are die hard Democrats. Not necessarily a bad thing, but hard to have an honest discussion. When Coretta King passed and W Bush attended the service, most in my circle wondered why. I made the comment that if he had not attended, the sentiment would have been “he disrepected Martin Luther King Jr’s widow”.

I experience the same with my die-hard republican friends. It’s just amazing to me.

I will continue to read and post when I feel the need to. I read Bookman daily.

Being of independent thought is hard in America.

Seriously, good night.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
1:07 am

Always a surprise and interesting to loggin late and see what the conversation has turned toward. Religion tonight, evolved from the Zimmerman case. Won’t go back to see how it got there. More comment board drift.

I remember reading up onc time on how and why Christians began to use Sunday instead of Saturday, but have forgotten the details and mechanics of the switch. Mainly it was that Christ rose on Sunday, and the day of his rising became the focus of worship, instead of the day the Lord rested from creating the world.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
1:08 am

For friends, I have to lean toward and gravitate toward those that think along the same lines I do. Casual acquaintainces it does not matter so much.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
1:28 am

For friendship, you have to have something in common, but it can be different things, different issues or values for different people. Never have to agree with anyone on all points.

oblama

April 12th, 2012
1:33 am

Don’t know who is guilty but Zimmerman better pray he doesn’t get O.J.’s jury. At least Joe Knee Cochrun won’t be around with his black muslim thugs to intimidate the jury but I bet Spike shows.

oblama

April 12th, 2012
1:37 am

Black Panthers threatened Zim’s life on national T V and Oblama and the leftist Eric Holder do nothing say nothing. Isn’t threatening someone’s life a crime even if you are not black?

oblama

April 12th, 2012
1:40 am

gone today – here tomorrow

cloudodust

April 12th, 2012
6:58 am

Even if Zimmerman is found to have ’stalked’ Martin, Martin had the right to flee. Martin chose the street code of mano mano instead of using his street smarts and booking it. Please don’t give me the business about it being his right to be out in the neighborhood, etc. If any of you is knowingly being ’stalked’, you either light the jets or risk injury. Martin did the stupid thing and died for it…A lesson to be learned.

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
7:01 am

“Martin had the right to flee. Martin chose the street code of mano mano instead of using his street smarts and booking it.”

It’s just AMAZING to me how many eyewitnesses there were to that killing that the authorities don’t seem to know about. Have you been called to testfy in court yet?

Donovan

April 12th, 2012
7:49 am

“From the Washington Post”…thanks again, Jay, for the fair and balanced piece reported by one of the nation’s leading liberal fish wrappers.

The liberal peanut gallery’s support for lynching and pay back makes me want to throw up. Your affinity for a gold toothed hoodie individual with an black attitude speaks volumes.

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
7:50 am

“Your affinity for a gold toothed hoodie individual with an black attitude speaks volumes”

So does your description

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
7:52 am

After scanning the posts from last night, I see that scout has now included the word “demonstrator” into his vocabulary (as opposed to “occut*rd”) to describe people at occupy rallies that do not break any laws. Congratulation, scout, for recognizing that there are those at the rallies that are simply exercising their constitutional rights.

philosopher

April 12th, 2012
7:52 am

There are many people who just don’t CARE what the facts are. No matter what the skin color involved, this is AMERICA. We ALL have the right to walk down the street unmolested. Until and unless we actually DO something requiring intervention, we have that freedom. Being black is NOT an action, it’s a state of being and does not make a person guilty of anything, even if 1000 crimes were committed by black people before he/she chose that street to walk down . If you cannot get that distinction, you are a bigot and no amount of verbal diarrhea can change that.

bob

April 12th, 2012
7:53 am

How long did it take to charge the killers of Robert Champion and where is the outrage ?

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
7:58 am

“How long did it take to charge the killers of Robert Champion and where is the outrage ?”

I believe Twitter and Facebook are still availble to be joined. Start a campaign. Look how successfully that was done for Trayvon Martin. Start now.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
8:01 am

Unless this “special prosecutor” knows something that NOBODY else does…she’s going to have a haaaard time proving 2nd degree murder.

Personally, I think this may get thrown out before it reaches trial but who knows. We all know the how reliable the media has been in this matter…

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
8:01 am

.Philospher———-

” We ALL have the right to walk down the street unmolested. Until and unless we actually DO something requiring intervention, we have that freedom.”
.
Until you woke up.
We have the RIGHT ..sure.
We definetly don’t have the FREEDOM.
See NYC “stop and frisk ” policy.
See CopBlock.com.(Denver, Austin, etc…..).
You’re obviously living in a dreamworld.
Welcome to the ……….Obamanation.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
8:05 am

oblama- Black Panthers threatened Zim’s life on national T V and Oblama and the leftist Eric Holder do nothing say nothing. Isn’t threatening someone’s life a crime even if you are not black?

They would at least get suspended for the year in the NFL for placing a bounty on someone.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
8:06 am

I see Zimmerman is still alive. Can’t say the same for Trayvon.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
8:14 am

I am gonna go on record and say that Zimmerman is in custody, charges have been brought, and now he will have his day in court. The media frenzy and public outcry did what they were supposed to do. Time to talk about other things and move on with our lives. This case will not be decided by further public discussion.

Clearly, saying such a thing makes me a “far left radical” or something.

Cosby

April 12th, 2012
8:14 am

total racism…Prosecutor only met with the Martin family and prayed with them…why did she not meet the Zimmerman family and pray with them. What really happened, no one knows and the story is so destorted through the news media – aka ABC that doctored the 911 call – to lord knows what else. the news continues to show pictures of Martin years earlier but no recent photos. Holder, on the same day shows up at one of Al’s meetings to praise him…yes all racist…a bi racial man shot a black man..but wait..the news keeps calling him white…hmmm we have a bi racil man in the white house..perhaps we should call him white..hmmm…yep totally racist and driven by mob rule…what a third world country we have become…and for all you blacks out there that like the government taking care of you, I suggest you take a short drive to Cherokee North Carolina and seee if you will still trust the Government…of course the current administration will not let the Martin case go to wast..never let a crises go to waste…lets divide and conquor…and then we can rule…All totally racist..Martin and Zimmerman..no one knows what took place and we will never know thanks to the likes of Al, Jassie and the biased news media as well as the NAACP!!!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
8:15 am

I see that some folks are outraged about who others are and are not outraged about.

Why that’s simply outrageous.

If you know of a case that outrages you and you do nothing but
type in all caps on Jay’s blog about it rather than organizing
against that outrage – you are all talk.

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
8:17 am

Adam! You radical!

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
8:18 am

Need a vigilante party for the vigilante?

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
8:18 am

“no one knows what took place and we will never know thanks to the likes of Al, Jassie and the biased news media as well as the NAACP!!!”

And what, exactly, has any of them done that will stop us from EVER knowing?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 12th, 2012
8:20 am

JKL, just lock your doors, man, just lock your doors. Pull those shades, too. You got plenty of canned beans, right?

independent thinker

April 12th, 2012
8:20 am

Remember Florida is a state that let Casey Anthony walk free.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
8:21 am

“Remember Florida is a state that let Casey Anthony walk free.” – That’s b/c the prosecutor was a moron and already had 1 foot out the (retirement) door. They couldn’t convict her based on the evidence, or lack thereof, that he prosecutor presented.

Ivan

April 12th, 2012
8:24 am

Thulsa: “Sure Zimm could have avoided the entire situation by not playing wannabe cop. But if he stopped pursuit and was going back to his truck when he was allegedly attacked by Trayvon then at that point he is in a defensive posture.”

If this holds true, then Zimmerman will only be found guilty on protecting himself. Martin could have avoided the whole situation by not starting the confrontation to begin with.

As mentioned many times already though, the investigations will tell a slightly different story. Right now it’s what Zimmerman said and what Martin’s family said with very few witnesses. That doesn’t stop the media from going on their witch hunt though.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
8:26 am

The media frenzy and public outcry did what they were supposed to do.

for now it’s all over but the right wing crying.

(And there sho’ beez lotta that on this thread. Pee-yew.)

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
8:28 am

finn- JKL, just lock your doors, man, just lock your doors. Pull those shades, too. You got plenty of canned beans, right?

Not sure how we got from “eric holder is such a joke I wouldn’t hire him as a crossing guard” to that drivel you posted, but rant on. Don’t worry about the 90% of blacks killed by other blacks. It’s that 2% killed by whites you need to look out for…

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
8:31 am

“What you have is, Mitt Romney running around the country saying, ‘Well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues. And when I listen to my wife, that’s what I’m hearing.’ Guess what: his wife has never really worked a day in her life. She’s never really dealt with the kind of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school, and why do we worry about their future.”

–Hilary Rosen, April 11

“APOLOGIZE! THIS IS TEH WORST THING EVER UTTERED EVER IN TEH HISTORY OF UTTERANCES!”

–your so-called librul media, April 12.

Lumpkin, JD

April 12th, 2012
8:31 am

Manslsughter would have been a more appropriate charge. A “reckless and abandoned heart murder” is going to be tough to prove, especially if Zimmerman was also injured.

Skip

April 12th, 2012
8:32 am

He was overcharged to force a not guilty verdict, not the first time I’ve seen it.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
8:33 am

“Manslsughter would have been a more appropriate charge.”

I agree. I think the judge in the initial hearing will throw out of 2nd degree murder charge.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
8:34 am

Skip: He was overcharged

Hannity listener.

Question for JKL2

April 12th, 2012
8:34 am

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
8:28 am

Don’t worry about the 90% of blacks killed by other blacks. It’s that 2% killed by whites you need to look out for…

Do you really care or was that just a blanket statement? Reading your previous comments, you could care less on how many “Black” people are actually killed!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
8:36 am

Peadawg: If the judge doesn’t throw it out then the preliminary evidence must be pretty convincing.

kayaker 71

April 12th, 2012
8:38 am

Former Senator John Edwards trial begins today. Accused of five counts of conspiracy, each having a 5 yr sentence and a 250K fine. He is 58. Talk about a life in shambles.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
8:38 am

Interesting that in 640 or so comments, the phrase “plea bargain” never appears when I ctrl-F the sucker. hmm.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
8:38 am

” If the judge doesn’t throw it out then the preliminary evidence must be pretty convincing.” – It’s just hard to believe she has enough evidence for 2nd degree murder. Not with witnesses saying they saw Martin on top and only Zimmerman’s side of the story. Good luck to her though…she’s going to need it.

kayaker 71

April 12th, 2012
8:41 am

So what happens when the jury acquits? Sanford better hire a lot more police officers to get ready for the riots. Might not be limited to Sanford.

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
8:41 am

He is 58. Talk about a life in shambles.

Agreed. Beyond that, you and I undoubtedly see this differently–mostly, I’m furious that a man with his closeted skeletons ever asked me for his primary vote, knowing full well he’d be doomed in a general election with the oppo research that surely would’ve uncovered those skeletons.

that said, until you walk a mile in another man’s shoes, and all that…

Peter

April 12th, 2012
8:42 am

The guy acted as a vigilante…… what would he expect ?

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
8:44 am

question- Do you really care or was that just a blanket statement? Reading your previous comments, you could care less on how many “Black” people are actually killed!

I think it’s a joke we have a national media blast for 1 person getting killed. Innocent people get killed all the time and we don’t here a word about it. Now we have a gangster-wannabe killed by a hispanic and it’s a worldwide media circus. First he’s declared white, then the little information we have is doctored by national media.

If you’re really offended by blacks getting murdered, why don’t you go after the 90% that are doing most of the killing? Justice is color blind. Quit making it a racial issue if you are concerned about solving the problem.

kayaker 71

April 12th, 2012
8:45 am

Stands, 8:41,

I couldn’t agree with you more. It would piss me off too. Some people make stupid mistakes and get away with it but not a presidential political candidate. He let down a lot of people.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
8:45 am

Peadawg: Not with witnesses saying they saw Martin on top and only Zimmerman’s side of the story.

Except those alleged witnesses were only reported in one place, leading most outside observers to think that’s flimsy and possibly a political stunt.

I can find plenty of reporting on the 911 tapes, the small amount of blood on the back of Zimmerman’s head in the police video, eye witnesses who say they saw Zimmerman standing over Trayvon with his gun after the shooting, but not a single press-verified witness who fits your description. Maybe I am wrong, but in the end it doesn’t matter. Charges have been brought and an arrest has been made. This is what was needed. If these charges get thrown out, perhaps they will refile for Manslaughter instead.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
8:46 am

Sanford better hire a lot more police officers to get ready for the riots. Might not be limited to Sanford.

See, I predict there will be no riots. Unless you call a protest where a lot of black people gather in the same place a “riot.”

Adam

April 12th, 2012
8:47 am

JKL2: Now we have a gangster-wannabe

JKL2: on record as deciding that Trayvon Martin deserved it.

kayaker 71

April 12th, 2012
8:51 am

Adam, 8:46,

Judging what happened in LA with Rodney King, I am not so sure. When the cars start getting turned over and the TVs start disappearing from stores, perhaps Bozo will have another message for his voter base. I doubt it though. Plays right into his scenario. Stir up the black community by commenting on an ongoing investigation then sit back and watch the fireworks.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
8:52 am

Jay & Libs–Y’all have been pushing the meme that Conservatives = Racists for the longest on this blog. JamVet even conducted his own McCarthy-like witch hunt a week or so ago in order to “expose” Scout and others who he deemed to be racists. My return contention is that there are just as many racists on the Liberal side, though the racism takes a slightly different form:

Racism–A belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Liberal Racism–The belief that people with black skin are “disadvantaged” (= inferior) to those with white skin, and therefore deserving of special treatment/special protections.

Because you Libs like to hide your racism in “benevolent” policies such as Affirmative Action and Hate Crimes legislation, you don’t recognize it for what it is. There’s only one way to achieve a colorblind society, which is to make the law apply equally to everyone. Got it??

Talking Head

April 12th, 2012
8:53 am

“Bozo will have another message for his voter base. I doubt it though. Plays right into his scenario. Stir up the black community by commenting on an ongoing investigation then sit back and watch the fireworks.”

Community Organizer…err Agitator at work!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
8:54 am

JKL2

“Innocent people get killed all the time and we don’t here a word about it.”

So what are YOU doing about it?

Blogging at Bookmans?

How very special.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
8:56 am

“Unless you call a protest where a lot of black people gather in the same place a “riot.””

Add in the Black Panters, Jackson, and Sharpton and it’ll turn into a riot.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
8:57 am

On topic of riots…..here’s a blast from the past.

The Brooks Brothers Riot.

Midori

April 12th, 2012
8:59 am

I think it’s a joke we have a national media blast for 1 person getting killed. Innocent people get killed all the time and we don’t here a word about it.

and I think you’re a joke.

period.

Midori

April 12th, 2012
9:00 am

Add in the Black Panters, Jackson, and Sharpton and it’ll turn into a riot.

so now 7 people constitute a “riot”?

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
9:00 am

Jay & Libs–Y’all have been pushing the meme that Conservatives = Racists for the longest on this blog.

Yeah, I’m totally reading past that.

Question for JKL2

April 12th, 2012
9:00 am

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
8:44 am
I think it’s a joke we have a national media blast for 1 person getting killed.

Well, evidently you have been living under a rock. This is bigger than that one person being killed. Have you EVER thought that the “LAW” is being challenged “stand your ground” as well as racial profiling?

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
9:01 am

Liberal Racism–The belief that people with black skin are “disadvantaged” (= inferior) to those with white skin

Disadvantaged =/= inferior

Disadvantaged = not being able to walk to the store without someone provoking a confrontation with you, shooting you, and then escaping legal consequences for their actions.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:02 am

“so now 7 people constitute a “riot”?”

No, but those bigots could easily turn a peaceful protest into a riot no problem.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
9:05 am

I think it’s a joke we have a national media blast for 1 person getting killed. Innocent people get killed all the time and we don’t here a word about it.

JKL2–Liberals don’t like to confront their own racism. There’s one reason and one reason only that this case has garnered the attention of the Lib media: It supports their racist contention that Blacks are “disadvantaged”, and that they need special “help”. politically speaking then, they can go tio the Black community and say “Vote for us, and we’ll protect you from those Conservative Racists.” Racial pandering at its worst.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
9:05 am

so now 7 people constitute a “riot”?

Thats what happens when the darkies get together you didn’t know. They riot

They really just cant control themselves.

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
9:06 am

Oh, and before we get into the full swing of verbal fisticuffs, do yourselves a favor and check out the Taiwanese video about Bobby Petrino on Jeff Shultz’ blog. Frakkin’ hilarious!

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
9:07 am

JKL2–Liberals don’t like to confront their own racism. There’s one reason and one reason only that this case has garnered the attention of the Lib media: It supports their racist contention that Blacks are “disadvantaged”, and that they need special “help”. politically speaking then, they can go tio the Black community and say “Vote for us, and we’ll protect you from those Conservative Racists.” Racial pandering at its worst.

My god you guys really need to turn it off Hannity once in awhile.

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
9:07 am

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Because statistics don’t back you up. All you can do is dredge up a few isolated examples, then replay them ad infinitum to make an almost non-existent problem seem much larger than it actually is. White on black crime is the least of our concerns right now.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
9:09 am

adam- JKL2: on record as deciding that Trayvon Martin deserved it

Guess I missed that part.

Bosch

April 12th, 2012
9:10 am

I don’t know about the rest of the left leaners here, but I get rather tired of self-righteous bigots here deciding what I believe.

Bruno, the basic problem in this case is that some idiot looked at a kid he didn’t know, and based on his obvious prejudice decided he was a criminal. And you are no different than that with your constant bs about “oh liberals believe thus” crap. Just stop.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:10 am

Tip of the day…

Don’t smash people’s heads against concrete and you are less likely to be shot…

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:10 am

“Oh, and before we get into the full swing of verbal fisticuffs, do yourselves a favor and check out the Taiwanese video about Bobby Petrino on Jeff Shultz’ blog. Frakkin’ hilarious!”

Yeah that was good! Have you heard the rumor about it not being a motorcycle wreck though? In the pictures released, the motorcycle is in great condition. The mistress had no injuries, just Bobby. And Bobby didn’t want the police or ambulance called.

There’s speculation that the girl’s fiance followed them and beat the crap out of Bobby.

independent thinker

April 12th, 2012
9:11 am

After reading the relevant an on topic comments here and Kyle’s blog it is clear Bruno and Jay have proven in this blog that if Zimmerman was not charged he would continue to feel justified in concluding that all Black teenagers walking through his gated community were up to no good , justifiably in his mind , based on conviction histories of Black males and after hegot off with an “atta boy” for killing Trayvon, would have been even more aggressive and justified in the future. What gets me is the people like Bruno and Hannity that continue to play the “reverse race card ” after Black leaders and Trayvon’s family said yesterday very clearly that they will abide by the judicial system.
Myself and others implored Jay to do the first story on Trayvon weeks ago simply asking why there is no justice for Trayvon Martin? Would the prosecution have occurred and the national debate if only Black leaders were speaking out??????????????????

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
9:12 am

Whats really telling is that a 17 year old kid is dead armed with only skittles and tea.

And all you can do is spout off about Al Sharpton and how Democrats are the real racists because of affirmative action blah blah blah Fox News talking point blah blah blah. How he was a gangster-wannabe and this is all just a liberal media creation.

Anything but compassion for a dead 17 year old kid and his family.

Its really sickening.

You should be ashamed.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:12 am

“obvious prejudice” – You know him personally, Bosch? Do you know something about him that none of his family members/friends know?

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:13 am

What’s really strange is how Democrats really hope Zimmerman is guilty?? What a weird mentality. Zimmerman better hope his jury isn’t made up of far lefties, their minds are made up, what happenned to innocent until proven guilty?

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
9:13 am

granny- So what are YOU doing about it?

Advocating the death penalty and stricter border control. The real crime is letting all these people waste away on death row. I could have them cleared out before the weekend.

You’re the one who seems all offended. When was the last time you protested a black killed by another black?

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:14 am

These idiots that continue to say Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of skittles are by far the dumbest people on earth!!

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:14 am

Good morning all.

How are anti-veteran right wingers this morning?

Spit on any Occutard vets yet today?

Speaking of which, “JKL2: on record as deciding that Trayvon Martin deserved it.”

Not even a tad bit surprising that he called that kid, who mas minding his own business and messing with no one, a ganster wannabe.

JKL2’s disgusting lies about that innocent teenager and his depraved justifications merely confirm what most awake people see about him – the guy has almost as many racial demons as 71 and the corporal.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
9:14 am

Tip of the day…

Don’t smash people’s heads against concrete and you are less likely to be shot…

Amazing.

Talking Head

April 12th, 2012
9:15 am

“the basic problem in this case is that some idiot looked at a kid he didn’t know, and based on his obvious prejudice decided he was a criminal.”

Hadn’t there been burglaries and break-ins to that neighborhood before this incident occurred? It seems that Zimmerman decided to take a stand to defend his neighborhood against anymore crime. He saw someone who was acting suspiciously, did the right thing by calling the police, but then something else occurred and now we have a bad situation.

None of us (especially you)know what happened. Maybe we’ll find out.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:16 am

Can someone explain the difference between the Black Panther party and the KKK?

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:16 am

These idiots that continue to say Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of skittles are by far the dumbest people on earth!!

So Mike the eye-witness, what exactly was “gangster wannabe” doing at that time?

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
9:16 am

“What’s really strange is how Democrats really hope Zimmerman is guilty??”

NO ONE has to “hoe” he’s guilty. He did kill Trayvon Martin. Of that he will ALWAYS be guilty. Whether he broke any laws in that killing are what the court and jury will determine.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
9:16 am

Hard not to agree with Trayvon’s mom at this point…likely an accidental shooting which makes the most sense. Kid was in his own neighborhood and dressed like vandals that allegedly broke into several houses….Kid is 6′3″ and not a child any longer. Wrong place, wrong time….seems unlikely that premeditation, malice, or intent exists…unless of course you listen too much to money grubbing press or opportunist like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et al who want racism to last forever otherwise they will have difficulty earning a wage.

Bosch

April 12th, 2012
9:16 am

Pea

Ive been reading Bruno’s reverse racism, and yours too, for years, so yeah, you, Bruno, kayaker and others who write that garbage for the world to see your obvious prejudices.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
9:16 am

what happenned to innocent until proven guilty?

You have to have a trial for that. Now we get one. Only took a few weeks.

(ir)Rational

April 12th, 2012
9:17 am

Woodstock Mike – Okay, so Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of Skittles. Does capitalizing the “S” in Skittles like it should be make me less of an idiot in your mind? And why does saying the truth make someone dumb?

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:18 am

“obvious prejudice”

Also, Bosch. For someone who jumps on my ars for judging people who are on food stamps buying steaks and driving escalades, people who have babies that know they can’t afford them, etc…..you are really quick to judge in this case.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
9:18 am

question- This is bigger than that one person being killed. Have you EVER thought that the “LAW” is being challenged “stand your ground” as well as racial profiling?

We used to have a term for racial profiling: good police work. Now we have the TSA searching little kids and old people because they don’t want to offend possible terrorists. If you want to challenge the law, then great, challenge it. To the best of my knowledge, that has yet to be a factor in this case outside of from over-blown media sources.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
9:18 am

It seems that Zimmerman decided to take a stand to defend his neighborhood against anymore crime.

But that isn’t his job. He isn’t a cop and they specifically told him not to pursue.

Why not just give everyone a gun and lets all be the police?

Yeah that will work out.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:19 am

He saw someone who was acting suspiciously…

Yet another lie baseless lie from a right winger.

But PLEASE Head, tell us exactly what was he doing to convince you that he was suspicious?

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:19 am

Manslsughter would have been a more appropriate charge. A “reckless and abandoned heart murder” is going to be tough to prove, especially if Zimmerman was also injured.

Nope. The appropriate charge was applied from the get. So many are focused on the story that Zimmerman has given, that they forget that it’s entirely possible that his story is garbage. That’s why investigators do what they do.

Interesting that in 640 or so comments, the phrase “plea bargain” never appears when I ctrl-F the sucker. hmm.

And I’m willing to bet there are very, very few with backgrounds in criminal investigation or litigation here blogging. ;)

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:19 am

Bosch
April 12th, 2012
9:16 am

You know better than to outright lie like that. Shame on you, son. Don’t put me in the same category as kayaker and Bruno.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:20 am

You liberals are really an interesting people. This is an extremely sad story. However, if someone threatens your life you have a right to defend yourself. If it is found that Trayvon Martin threatened Zimmerman’s life, by smashing his head against concrete, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself. Why do Democrats want to turn this into something about race? That’s so weak. This is a case where there was a fight and someone got shot.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
9:21 am

JKL2

Advocating? How?

Blogging at Bookmans? That’s it? The extent of your advocacy?

WHat makes you think I am offended?

Mr. Zimmerman may be completely innocent. My concern was and is with the process.

And as REAL advocates and community organizers and activists understand…we can affect and occasionally improve the process by getting involved.

How’s your advocacy work going? Had any success?

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:21 am

So JKL2, the cat has your tongue now?

Explain to me how you can justify calling this kid a gangster-wannabe?

This should be awesome.

Midori

April 12th, 2012
9:22 am

Can someone explain the difference between the Black Panther party and the KKK?

can someone explain the difference between a clueless, racist moron and Woodstock Mike?

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:23 am

Mike, still waiting for you evidence of Martin acting suspiciously?

What’s the delay?

What have you got?

Aquagirl

April 12th, 2012
9:23 am

There’s speculation that the girl’s fiance followed them and beat the crap out of Bobby

That would be funny. But it would be a weird beating to inflict that much road rash. And how could you beat him up and miss breaking that schnozz?

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:23 am

It’s just hard to believe she has enough evidence for 2nd degree murder. Not with witnesses saying they saw Martin on top and only Zimmerman’s side of the story. Good luck to her though…she’s going to need it.

The evidence has already been made public, but most people don’t have a clue as to how to connect the dots.

(ir)Rational

April 12th, 2012
9:23 am

Woodstock Mike – You afraid to answer the question that two people have now asked you? If Martin wasn’t just a kid walking home with a bag of Skittles, what was he? Hiding behind calling people that disagree with you a liberal isn’t a good argument and devalues any future arguments you might try to make. Especially when you direct that defense at people that aren’t liberals.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:24 am

Bruno: There’s only one way to achieve a colorblind society, which is to make the law apply equally to everyone. Got it??

The law AND the way all of the people in power APPLY those laws has to be equal, otherwise it doesn’t work.

Do you think that people in power are immune from racism?

Midori

April 12th, 2012
9:24 am

Hi Boschie :)

Mrs. G. :)

JamVet :)

Bro :)

got a meeting, gotta go. hope the traffic isn’t heavy.

Have a good morning.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:25 am

“And how could you beat him up and miss breaking that schnozz?” :lol: Nice…

RF

April 12th, 2012
9:25 am

In absence of the facts, sadly we judge this case based on our own perceptions of events. All we know is that Zimmerman left his vehicle and began either following or pursuing Martin. At that point, he set into motion a string of events about which we may never know all the facts. What happened next is conjecture up to the point of the gunshot. I only hope both sides will be able and willing to accept what the courts find as fact. My fear is that in the long run this will only make political/social tensions worse for a while either way.The collateral damage will go far beyond a young man’s death and another’s future.

Bosch

April 12th, 2012
9:25 am

Pea

I judge you based on what you’ve written on tha blog, just as I can give my opinion towards Zimmerman’s own words and actions. When you throw your crazy out there, it’s not a matter of judging or not.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 12th, 2012
9:25 am

Reading all these posts is no different than the coverage on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, AJC, New York Post, etcetera. Nothing really to argue about here…….

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

April 12th, 2012
9:26 am

Mr. Zimmerman may be completely innocent. My concern was and is with the process.

Exaclty right. Now we can have a trial and hopefully learn the whole truth.

But to have a dead 17 year old kid shot walking home and just give the guy a pass. Call it a day.

Sorry that doesn’t work and would only encourage more people to shoot first etc.

If you wanna take someones life because you feel threatened fine. But you better be prepared to damn well prove it.

Talking Head

April 12th, 2012
9:26 am

“But PLEASE Head, tell us exactly what was he doing to convince you that he was suspicious?”

As I’ve said earlier, none of knows what happened. I’ve heard the 911 call by Zimmerman in which he describes Trayvon’s suspicious behavior.

That’s all I got, that’s all anyone’s got.

Question for JKL2

April 12th, 2012
9:27 am

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:14 am

Thank you! You have the honor of the best comment of the morning!!!

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:28 am

Hadn’t there been burglaries and break-ins to that neighborhood before this incident occurred? It seems that Zimmerman decided to take a stand to defend his neighborhood against anymore crime. He saw someone who was acting suspiciously, did the right thing by calling the police, but then something else occurred and now we have a bad situation.

Zimmerman’s biggest problem is that he has a verified history of calling 911. A sampling that I heard for one time period of his calls had 99% of his calls for “suspicious” behavior related to someone Black that looked like they were doing something. The one call he had on a White person was actually in the process of breaking into a townhome. Based on his track record and behavior, his defense team will have a time and a half trying to clear him. I’m not gonna say it’s impossible, but the things you do in the past have a way of coming back on you at the worst possible time. He has a past track record that will not look good for him in this case.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:29 am

What’s really strange is how Democrats really hope Zimmerman is guilty??

No, what’s really strange is how far the conservatives and right wing media are willing to go to defend Zimmerman. It defies logic, unless the goal is about making sure the “Kill At Will” laws stand and don’t get modified or overturned.

Frankly, I do not know if he is guilty or not. Neither do you. You seem to be more of a proponent for assuming and asserting he’s NOT guilty than anyone on the left who asserts that he is. You are so SO sure you are right about this, that you twist yourself in knots to make it true and then project any shortcomings in your arguments onto “the left,” when this never should have been a left vs. right issue.

It’s like how everything that’s backfired has been handled lately: First, pick your position and stick with it. If that seems to be politically untenable, play the victim and blame “the left” and the media for persecuting you, throwing in any charges towards them that you feel are being laid at your feet (the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” argument).

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:29 am

If Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood for no reason, if he just decided to shoot a kid walking home with candy he deserves a murder charge. Somehow I think Democrats are going to be so upset to find out that the real story is much different than that.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:30 am

Where’s the sheets? And please, no more about this case. The public’s part in this is done, for now.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:30 am

“just as I can give my opinion towards Zimmerman’s own words and actions.” – So that’s what you call judging people…no matter what his friends and family have said about it…and nevermind the fact that you don’t know Zimmerman personally…got it.

And I’M the one throwing out crazies….:roll:

I love when you come on the blogs, Bosch. You always give me a could laugh.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:31 am

Brosephus: So many are focused on the story that Zimmerman has given, that they forget that it’s entirely possible that his story is garbage.

Succinct and accurate. I like it.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:32 am

If it is found that Trayvon Martin threatened Zimmerman’s life, by smashing his head against concrete, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself. Why do Democrats want to turn this into something about race?

Mike

What if it is found that Martin began to beat the crap out of Zimmerman in fear of his life because he felt threatened by the grown man chasing him down? What then? The City of Samford made a big error of making too much info available for people to see. I’ve seen some of the reports and listened to the 911 tapes. All the prosecutor has to do is lay out the events, as they happened, on a map of the complex. Zimmerman will have a very difficult time explaining his chain of events story if that’s done.

(ir)Rational

April 12th, 2012
9:32 am

So yeah, Woodstock Mike seems to not want to answer a simple question that he brought up. Guess we’ll all just have to be satisfied by being “by far the dumbest people on earth.” I guess I’m just too dumb to understand why I’m dumb. :roll:

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:32 am

Hi Midori!

JKL2 may think he can just cowardly slink away when the heat gets turned up, but I’ve got bad news for him.

Real bad news.

He can run but he cannot hide.

He’ll be back and I’ll be here when he is…

Mike,

Once again.

What is your explanation for this? These idiots that continue to say Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of skittles are by far the dumbest people on earth!

What do you know that you are not sharing with us idiots?

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:33 am

“If you wanna take someones life because you feel threatened fine. But you better be prepared to damn well prove it.” – Zimmerman doesn’t have to do much besides tell his story. It’s ALL on the prosecutor to prove he committed 2nd degree murder…which I don’t think she can. Manslaughter probably would have been a walk in the park though.

independent thinker

April 12th, 2012
9:33 am

Woodstock Mike ; “”"These idiots that continue to say Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of skittles are by far the dumbest people on earth!!”"”
Your right he was also armed with an Arizona ice tea and a cell phone- so what????Of course he had his fists too to take out someone stalking him in a dark alley between house. Oh I forgot that is not allowed if you are a Black male with a hoodie.That’s why we all need to have guns..

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:34 am

“and listened to the 911 tapes.” – The real ones or the edited ones? :)

Mike Tyson

April 12th, 2012
9:34 am

I’m Mike Tyson and I think it’s a shame this Zimmerman hasn’t already been shot dead by now. Being as I am a convicted rapist, I am an expert on violent crime. I mean if I approach someone in a violent threatening manner with my fists (which are deadly weapons) they should throw down their gun and let me pummel them to death.

(ir)Rational

April 12th, 2012
9:34 am

Bro – This is a “fact free zone” especially when dealing with Woodstock Mike. Get it straight man.

Call it like it is

April 12th, 2012
9:34 am

I think this will end with a fizzle instead of a bang. Prosecutor going for murder instead of manslaughter. Unless she has some kind of smoking gun “no pun intended,” case will be dismissed. The masses have demanded she do something and she is. Only thing is she doesn’t have the evidence for a conviction and she knows it, but she can at least show everybody she is trying, and then get the free pass card. Premeditated murder is a very hard thing to prove.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:35 am

(ir)Rational @ 9:34a :D

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:36 am

“Where’s the sheets?”

blogspot.com is ready when you are sport.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:36 am

If Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood for no reason, if he just decided to shoot a kid walking home with candy he deserves a murder charge. Somehow I think Democrats are going to be so upset to find out that the real story is much different than that.

I think EVERYBODY’s going to be upset when the real story comes out. I can only go off of my skills and what I know, but there are three stories, the victim’s, the perpetrator’s, and between the two of them lies the truth. All you have is one story. However, the evidence never lies. If you don’t know how to read the evidence, you’ll never know the truth. The lead investigator saw something, and so did the special prosecutors. I’ll trust their interpretation of ALL the evidence over any anonymous blogger anyday.

(ir)Rational

April 12th, 2012
9:36 am

Adam – I do what I can. Now I go to a site meeting. I’ll be back to see if Mike can answer simple questions.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:36 am

Regardless of my previous comments I do feel horrible for the Martin family. My issue is simple, when I first saw this story the left wing media positioned this story has an innocent kid was walking home with candy and was shot for no reason. When the story unfolded I found that a kid physically attacked someone, smashing their head against the concrete road, and was shot. Those stories are quite a bit different. Also, the media and the left were just hoping Zimmerman was a white guy, I mean they were salivating to run with that story, than you find out he is hispanic and the left was so disappointed. Actually many African Americans still think Zimmerman is white?

larry

April 12th, 2012
9:37 am

The main question is………….who started it. Did Tayvon start it by running up to Zimmerman and threaten him ? Or did Zimmerman, who was told to stop following Tayvon, get out of his car and started trying to play police officer?

I still have a hard time believing a 140 pound 17 year old could have knocked down a 250 pound 28 year old. It defies logic to me.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:38 am

I find it funny no one bothered to suggest a plea deal for manslaughter that may come out of this. Perhaps it’s because they just want him exonerated? I mean, the story we hear from the right, here, is that she overcharged and therefore will lose. No in between, no plea deal, no charge reduction, no possibility of refile, etc. It just goes to show more binary thinking as a rule, with few exceptions, from the right.

http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract?rss=1

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:38 am

Can you folks believe that JKL2 just ran away, when challenged to explain his racist rant?

But be of good cheer you gangster-wannabe expert, your pals like “Mike Tyson” will carry your bigoted banner in your “absence”!

Mike?

Does the cat have yoru tongue too?

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:38 am

Peadawg

The actual unedited tapes from the police dept. I think the one saving grace that Zimmerman has is that the city of Samford put way too much evidence out into the public realm. They will always have the claim that he couldn’t get a fair hearing based on that. That said, I could probably walk you through the case the prosecutor will present if I were able to post a map of the location along with the timeline.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:39 am

Peadawg: blogspot.com is ready when you are sport.

Already have my own blog but thanks for your faux concern.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:40 am

(ir)Rational

Dammit!! I can only do facts. I may cause the world to ‘asplode injecting facts into a fact free zone. That’s all part of that Mayan doomsday prediction. :)

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:40 am

Mike, THAT was your explanation about the kid being suspicious???

C’mon, quit being coy, let us know why you wrote that in the first place.

Either you have some evidence or legitimate reason for saying so, or….

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:42 am

JamVet-

You asked what do I know different than you, well, I know that Zimmerman was attacked first, at least that is what the eyewitnesses say. So, I know that this isn’t a story of an innocent kid walking home and getting shot. There was a fight and it’s a damn shame a young kid was killed. However, this isn’t a case of cold blooded murder. And when I see the leader of the Black Panthers start running at the mouth talking about killing honkeys when Zimmerman isn’t even white it makes me sick. Again, can someone explain the difference between the Black Panthers and the KKK, besides the fact that the Black Panther are allowed to walk the streets and threaten white people?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:43 am

Mike — “If it is found that Trayvon Martin threatened Zimmerman’s life, by smashing his head against concrete, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself.”

How about staying in his car and driving away? That’d have protected his life.

Oh, yeah, and Trayvon Martin’s life, too.

Gator Joe

April 12th, 2012
9:43 am

What is clear to me regarding the Trayvon Martin homocide: Zimmerman was instructed not to pursue Trayvon, Trayvon had every right to be in the neighborhood, Zimmerman sought out Trayvon after being instructed not to do so, Zimmerman at some point in the confrontation was armed, Trayvon was not armed, Zimmerman shot Trayvon causing Trayvon’s death.
I, like most other people, have my opinion regarding this case, and I believe Zimmerman was correctly arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder. His defense based on the absurd “Stand Your Ground” is tenous at best.

philosopher

April 12th, 2012
9:43 am

Black man with no weapon stalked by man with a gun and no legal authority, no uniform, no right to bother him at all. No question of who was threatened or who did the threatening. Getting scared when Trayvon tried to protect himself/ or got pissed off about Zimmerman’s crazy, power-hungry, would-be cop crap will never be justification for killing him.

kayaker 71

April 12th, 2012
9:47 am

What if Martin would have been white and Zimmerman black? No protests, no riots, no media outrage, no indignation, no doctored tapes and audios…… nothing.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
9:47 am

Very few facts and a lot of speculation about what could or might have happened. Interesting theories coming out but that’s all they are. Jury will not have much better.

The law provides for a way to deal with that by putting the buden of proof on one party to prove their theory, and if they don’t the jury is to rule the other way. Trial begins with a presumption of innocence which the state has to overcome by proof beyond a reasonale doubt.

BuckeyeInGa

April 12th, 2012
9:48 am

Enter your comments here

stands for decibels

April 12th, 2012
9:48 am

the Taiwanese video about Bobby Petrino

I take some pride in not having had the foggiest idea who this “Bobby Petrino” person was prior to this apparent kerfluffle, and I am still blissfully ignorant of the specifics of his current domestic bliss.

apparently he has some connection to the slave labor unpaid NFL minor leaguers that flyover country citizens find so compelling.

Jm

April 12th, 2012
9:48 am

Jay taking a vacay apparently :)

TaxPayer

April 12th, 2012
9:49 am

National Review announced that it cut ties with another contributor over racism on Tuesday.

The conservative journal let go of University of Illinois professor Robert Weissberg after discovering that he spoke at a conference for American Renaissance magazine in March. Weissberg had talked about ways of “maintaining whiteness” in “Whitopias.”

No another racist at National Review!

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:49 am

You liberals have such a strange way of interpreting the facts. This is going to be manslaughter. This is a sad, terrible story, but it’s no case of a kid walking home with candy and gets shot for no reason.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:49 am

kayaker: Because there would have been an arrest and charge that night, in your scenario. No need for a protest that someone should be arrested and charged if someone has already been arrested and charged.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:50 am

Mike — “When the story unfolded I found that a kid physically attacked someone, smashing their head against the concrete road, and was shot.”

You need to be asking yourself how the situation turned from Zimmerman being in his car, talking to 911 one moment to being OUT of his car, supposedly being thrashed within an inch of his life the next moment.

Trayvon Martin didn’t *drag* Zimmerman out of his car. It strains belief to imagine that Zimmerman didn’t get out of his car of his own free will to confront Martin. At that point, what would you have Martin do?

Stand around and see if the armed stalker who was following him just wanted to know the time? :roll:

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:50 am

“What if Martin would have been white and Zimmerman black? No protests, no riots, no media outrage, no indignation, no doctored tapes and audios…… nothing.”

Above statement completely 100% true…

Gator Joe

April 12th, 2012
9:50 am

This is for all the defenders of Mr. Zimmerman. When I was 17, and even now at 65, if I’m where I have a right to be, minding my own business, and I’m approached by a male stranger in an unfriendly manner, who is not a law officer, my first response would probably be an F-bomb. If the stranger physically touches me an appropriate physical response from me would follow.

BuckeyeInGa

April 12th, 2012
9:51 am

You asked what do I know different than you, well, I know that Zimmerman was attacked first, at least that is what the eyewitnesses say. So, I know that this isn’t a story of an innocent kid walking home and getting shot. There was a fight and it’s a damn shame a young kid was killed. However, this isn’t a case of cold blooded murder. And when I see the leader of the Black Panthers start running at the mouth talking about killing honkeys when Zimmerman isn’t even white it makes me sick. Again, can someone explain the difference between the Black Panthers and the KKK, besides the fact that the Black Panther are allowed to walk the streets and threaten white people?

—————————-
a couple of things–Which witnessES saw Zimmerman being attacked first. The guy who was running his mouth isn’t from the Black Panther party he’s from the New Black Panther party….big difference..

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:51 am

You liberals have such a strange way of interpreting the facts

Right. You mean like the “liberal” who made the case that 92% of women suffered job losses under Obama by interpreting facts?

Oh wait, that was Romney: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/04/lies-damn-lies-and-mitt-romneys-charts

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
9:51 am

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:43 am
Mike — “If it is found that Trayvon Martin threatened Zimmerman’s life, by smashing his head against concrete, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself.”

How about staying in his car and driving away? That’d have protected his life.

Oh, yeah, and Trayvon Martin’s life, too
+________

He could have stayed in his car and driven away. But he didn’t. That fact has at this point nothing to do with the case. Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t. That at this point has nothing to do with the case.

Have to deal with what actually happened, not what could have happened.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:51 am

K71 — “What if Martin would have been white and Zimmerman black? No protests, no riots, no media outrage, no indignation, no doctored tapes and audios…… nothing.”

Because there would have been an arrest in less than six weeks. You forgot that part.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:51 am

Are the Black Panthers racist?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
9:52 am

kayaker 71

April 12th, 2012
9:47 am
What if Martin would have been white and Zimmerman black? No protests, no riots, no media outrage, no indignation, no doctored tapes and audios…… nothing.

That would only be true if you weren’t protesting, rioting, outrages and indignant.

YOU WOULD BE, RIGHT?

Leading the charge, standing up for what you believe, Right?

You too can be an activist…..

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:52 am

I know that Zimmerman was attacked first, at least that is what the eyewitnesses say.

Really? Because I am having a real hard time finding these eyewitness statements anywhere…..

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:52 am

Mike — “but it’s no case of a kid walking home with candy and gets shot for no reason.”

I’d LOVE to hear your “reason” for Martin’s death. I’d just absolutely LOVE to hear it.

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:53 am

Adam-

Dont you love Obama’s new campaign slogan? Watch, he says it every time he makes a speech now…

“We can’t have a system where just a few of us are doing well and the rest of us are struggling to get by”

Ummmm, what country is he talking about?

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:53 am

So, I know that this isn’t a story of an innocent kid walking home…

OF COURSE it is!

When he was walking home what made him anything other than that? What made him so non-innocent?

In foolish fashion, you try to hide behind what happened next – the events that followed, but you are not as stupid as you are playing.

To (ir)Rational’s obvious point, answer the simple question that I’ve asked of you repeatedly:

Explain this claim for us idiots – “These idiots that continue to say Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of skittles are by far the dumbest people on earth!!”

No more sophist BS…

.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:53 am

Gator Joe — “This is for all the defenders of Mr. Zimmerman. When I was 17, and even now at 65, if I’m where I have a right to be, minding my own business, and I’m approached by a male stranger in an unfriendly manner, who is not a law officer, my first response would probably be an F-bomb. If the stranger physically touches me an appropriate physical response from me would follow.”

Quoted for TRUTH. ^^^

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:54 am

What if Martin would have been white and Zimmerman black? No protests, no riots, no media outrage, no indignation, no doctored tapes and audios…… nothing.

Pure unadulterated speculation. Social media is what caused the media to take notice. Maybe White people need to better organize themselves to get even more media attention. :roll:

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
9:54 am

Gator Joe

April 12th, 2012
9:50 am
This is for all the defenders of Mr. Zimmerman. When I was 17, and even now at 65, if I’m where I have a right to be, minding my own business, and I’m approached by a male stranger in an unfriendly manner, who is not a law officer, my first response would probably be an F-bomb. If the stranger physically touches me an appropriate physical response from me would follow.

______

Could be. And if you discovered while you were beating the guy on the ground that he had a gun, what would you have done. And if you were lying on the ground being beaten and had a gun, what would you have done. Especially if the guy beating you reached for your gun.

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
9:55 am

Zimmermann WAS registered as a democrat. That’s only 2 points worse than a republican on the stupid scale.
He deserves compassion.
.
Where’s the love?

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
9:55 am

“I know that Zimmerman was attacked first, at least that is what the eyewitnesses say”

No, you do NOT “KNOW” that to be true…because you weren’t there. You have chosen to BELIEVE it’s true, but the strength of you belief doesn’t neccessarily mean you are correct.

RF

April 12th, 2012
9:55 am

Here’s a map of the complex where the incident occurred. It might help shed some light on how the events unfolded. If the routes are correct, it would seem Martin was trying to avoid contact with Zimmerman when he left his car and began what looks like a pretty good walk to find the kid. It would make the defense of his actions a little tougher, IMO.

http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-path.jpg?w=510&h=342

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
9:55 am

Woodstock Mike

Don’t you mean the New Black Panthers(Yes, I think so) and the Black Panthers (No, I don’t think so)?

Or do you not know the difference?

It’s rather important that you should.

That is if you want to be taken seriously in a discussion of the subject.

barking frog

April 12th, 2012
9:55 am

did the president
and the attorney general
play the race card
for political purposes?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Oscar — “He could have stayed in his car and driven away. But he didn’t. That fact has at this point nothing to do with the case.”

It’s got quite a lot to do with it. If Zimmerman is found to have *precipitated* the confrontation by his actions, then the FL Stand Your Ground law offers him no protection.

“Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t.”

Well, that would be because he was too busy being shot by Zimmerman.

Atlas Shrugging

April 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Kayaker 71 and Oscar @ 9:47 a.m.

Most accurate statments of the morning…..

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Dont you love Obama’s new campaign slogan? Watch, he says it every time he makes a speech now…

“We can’t have a system where just a few of us are doing well and the rest of us are struggling to get by”

Ummmm, what country is he talking about?

This HAS to be a right wing talking point, because it’s just too stupid for words. You really think you’re going to grab anyone who doesn’t already agree with you with this? Really?

independent thinker

April 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Woodstock Mike- you still do not get it – Zimmerman on the tape wrongfully profiled Trayvon based on irrellevant facts – being Black, a hoodie and acting strangely when he knew he was being followed. That tells you something about Zimmerman’s state of mind when he got the crap beaten out of him for stalking Trayvon. If the tape was not out there things might be different. And guess how and why the tape got released? Not because Sean Hannitty requested it.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Zimmermann WAS registered as a democrat. That’s only 2 points worse than a republican on the stupid scale.

Which is exactly why he called Sean Hannity for help, right?

What nonsense.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
9:57 am

“Maybe White people need to better organize themselves to get even more media attention.”

We don’t have lovely people like Jackson and Sharpton to lead us.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:57 am

Oscar — “Could be. And if you discovered while you were beating the guy on the ground that he had a gun, what would you have done. And if you were lying on the ground being beaten and had a gun, what would you have done. Especially if the guy beating you reached for your gun.”

Weren’t you just the guy saying that speculation was a no-no? :roll:

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
9:57 am

Ive been reading Bruno’s reverse racism, and yours too, for years, so yeah, you, Bruno, kayaker and others who write that garbage for the world to see your obvious prejudices.

Bosch–As long as you and the rest of the Libs here keep pushing the Conservatives = Racists, you’re going to hear from me.

So how about it, Brosephus?? Do you feel “disadvantaged” in life, perhaps inferior to Whites?? Do you need special help getting into college, or special legal protection based on the color of your skin??

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:57 am

Joe Mama-

Here is my interpretation. Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten. Not being charged with something seems rediculous…

In other news (What War on Women?)

April 12th, 2012
9:58 am

Mitt Romney’s Women Surrogates Voted Against Pay Equity Enforcement, Blasted Feminism
WASHINGTON — In recent days, Mitt Romney’s campaign has been trying to squash the perception that he’s bad with the ladies.
It’s been bringing out everyone from Ann Romney — who insists that her husband really isn’t “stiff” when you “unzip him” — to other prominent Republican women. All are trying to make the case that the former Massachusetts governor will look out for women’s rights if elected president.
But the records of some of these surrogates seem to undermine the campaign’s message.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/mitt-romney-women_n_1418414.html

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:59 am

L. Hall — “Zimmermann WAS registered as a democrat. That’s only 2 points worse than a republican on the stupid scale.”

One wonders why so many of y’all are taking his side, then. (laughing, pointing) :D

Woodstock Mike

April 12th, 2012
9:59 am

Adam-

Do you believe in American just a few of us are doing well and the rest are struggling? Can you answer that?

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
9:59 am

Enter your comments hereJoe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:56 am
Oscar — “He could have stayed in his car and driven away. But he didn’t. That fact has at this point nothing to do with the case.”

It’s got quite a lot to do with it. If Zimmerman is found to have *precipitated* the confrontation by his actions, then the FL Stand Your Ground law offers him no protection.

“Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t.”

Well, that would be because he was too busy being shot by Zimmerman.

________________

That last sentence takes away your entire credibility.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
9:59 am

Randian mystery meat can always be counted on to fly the Bigot Banner proudly.

Your fellow gangster-wannabe expert, JKL2 will be delighted…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:59 am

Peadawg: We don’t have lovely people like Jackson and Sharpton to lead us.

Legalzoom.com is ready when you are to help you start your own PAC or civil rights committee, for whites!

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
9:59 am

He could have stayed in his car and driven away. But he didn’t. That fact has at this point nothing to do with the case. Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t. That at this point has nothing to do with the case.

What makes you think that Martin was not trying to get to his father’s GIRLFRIEND’s house, which is actually where he was headed. There’s these little things called facts that tend to get left out. The “fact” that Zimmerman got out of his SUV has a direct bearing on his case, even more so when you can hear him huffing on the 911 tape like he’s running after Martin. You don’t chase a “person” in order to get the address where you’re located do you? Remember that he told the cops that he exited his vehicle to get the address where he was. Chasing somebody doesn’t get you an address.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:00 am

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
9:57 am
Oscar — “Could be. And if you discovered while you were beating the guy on the ground that he had a gun, what would you have done. And if you were lying on the ground being beaten and had a gun, what would you have done. Especially if the guy beating you reached for your gun.”

Weren’t you just the guy saying that speculation was a no-no
________

No, I said it was interesting. I didn’t say not to do it.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:00 am

Woodstock: Do you believe in American just a few of us are doing well and the rest are struggling? Can you answer that?

You do know that “a few” is not an exact number, right? Do you deny that some people are doing well and others are not, and that the number of people doing well is far less than the number of people struggling?

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
10:00 am

being Black, a hoodie and acting strangely when he knew he was being followed.

In the tape I heard, he only mentioned that Trayvon was acting strangely. His race was mentioned only after being prompted by the 911 dispatcher.

If you are an independent thinker as you claim to be, then why are you repeating the “NBC” version of the story??

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
10:01 am

Adam

April 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Zimmermann WAS registered as a democrat. That’s only 2 points worse than a republican on the stupid scale.

Which is exactly why he called Sean Hannity for help, right?
———————————————————————————————————————————-
Well ….once the media labeled the Hispanic man “half-white”.,……….he had to turn to someone.
The Democrats certainly wouldn’t.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
10:01 am

W. Mike

Do you know the difference between the New Black Panthers and the Black Panthers?

It’s a pretty darned simple question.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:01 am

Bosch- based on his obvious prejudice decided he was a criminal

The hispanic man who volunteers to teach disadvantaged youths in his spare time displaying his obvious prejudice. Nice.

Judging from Trayvon’s school record, he was a criminal. Also alot bigger than that jr high picture they like to show on the news.

Recon 0311 2533

April 12th, 2012
10:01 am

I don’t think any of us really know enough about this case to draw absolute conclusions about guilt or innocence at this point. The prosecutor obviously believed that there was sufficient evidence to bring charges. A judge will make the determination if the case against Zimmerman should go to trial and if it does go to trial he will be presumed innocent until such time that he’s proven guilty. This should be the case regardless of presumptions one way or the other outside of the courtroom.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:01 am

Bruno, what do you think of JKL2’s assertion that Martin was a gangster-wannabe?

And of Woodstock Mike’s claim that he was not just an innocent kid walking home with Skittles

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:01 am

“Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t.”

What makes you think he was anywhere near it? What makes you think that if he was, he would want the strange man following him to know where he lived?

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am

“Zimmerman followed Martin”

And right there is the action that should never have happened.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am

We don’t have lovely people like Jackson and Sharpton to lead us.

And they didn’t lead the social media drive for Trayvon either. Don’t let that little fact get in your way though. They jumped on the bandwagon just like the media did. Yet y’all continue to give them the publicity they crave. :roll:

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am

“Legalzoom.com is ready when you are to help you start your own PAC or civil rights committee, for whites!” – No thanks. We don’t need 2 people to speak for all us. Or atleast who THINK they speak for all of us.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am

hus™

April 12th, 2012
9:59 am
He could have stayed in his car and driven away. But he didn’t. That fact has at this point nothing to do with the case. Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t. That at this point has nothing to do with the case.

What makes you think that Martin was not trying to get to his father’s GIRLFRIEND’s house, which is actually where he was headed. There’s these little things called facts that tend to get left out. The “fact” that Zimmerman got out of his SUV has a direct bearing on his case, even more so when you can hear him huffing on the 911 tape like he’s running after Martin. You don’t chase a “person” in order to get the address where you’re located do you? Remember that he told the cops that he exited his vehicle to get the address where he was. Chasing somebody doesn’t get you an address.

————–

You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.

Gator Joe

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am

Oscar:
Nice distortion. I don’t aggressively confront people who are minding their own businees, I’m not a wanna-be cop, I’m not a wanna-be bad-ass who carries a gun (don’t own one), and I would listen to and follow instructions from, public safety dispatchers.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am

RF

Thanks for posting that photo. Gonna have to save that one for future use.

RF

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am

Look at the map of the complex. Zimmerman, it seems, passed at least three buildings and went between two of them. I think he had an address by that time to give police. If true, the map shows what looks like a pretty direct intent to intercept Martin. Follow the link I posted above and see what you think.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:03 am

JKL2 show back up.

But the heat is still on.

Explain to me exactly how Martin was a gangster-wannabe.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:03 am

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
“Zimmerman followed Martin”

And right there is the action that should never have happened.

_______

The police insturctions, not the radio tape, provide that a neighbor watch person can follow a person from a safe distance.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
10:04 am

“These idiots that continue to say Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of skittles are by far the dumbest people on earth!!”

And you were there?

Before you say I wasn’t either, post were I have made an asinine comment like your even one way or the other on this case in terms of guilt or innocence.

thanks

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:04 am

Peadawg: We don’t need 2 people to speak for all us

Exactly. Because the government, society, and prevailing privilege attitudes ingrained in all of us do that already.

Peadawg

April 12th, 2012
10:04 am

“Yet y’all continue to give them the publicity they crave.” – Who’s “ya’ll”? I’m not the one giving a press conference on my dead son w/ Sharpton right by my side.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:05 am

Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten.

Mike

There’s this one little thing though…. It’s hard to claim self defense when you started the fight.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
10:05 am

Recon @ 10:01

Good post and thank you

BuckeyeInGa

April 12th, 2012
10:05 am

Here is my interpretation. Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten. Not being charged with something seems rediculous…

So anyone can instigate a fight, then when they start losing..they can kill the person and not worry about getting charged?

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:05 am

Mike?

Nothing?

Nothing at all to explain how he was guilty before he was even contacted by the killer?

Seriously?

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:05 am

jamvet- JKL2’s disgusting lies about that innocent teenager

Who was currently suspended from school (his third this year) with possession of drugs, parafinalia, stolen merchandise and burglary tools. Funny definition of “innocent” you have there.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:06 am

Mike — “Here is my interpretation. Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten. Not being charged with something seems rediculous…”

Even if we accept your chain of events, it is clear that Zimmerman *precipitated* the fight by following Martin. And in such a case, Zimmerman *would* be criminally culpable for Martin’s death. I can’t comment knowledgeably regarding what he’d be guilty of under FL law under different sets of circumstances, but I do know that the FL Stand Your Ground law offers you protection only if the fight *comes to you.* If *you go to the fight,* then you’re on your own.

So if Zimmerman got out of his truck and pursued Martin, then he’s got no protection there. And I don’t think that any court in the country is going to accept that Zimmerman, who was considerably larger than Martin, had no choice but to *shoot* him in order to defend himself.

I’m not a gun-grabber; I own firearms myself. If you break into my house, both me and my wife are going to shoot at you. But if I see someone I don’t know slinking through my neighborhood, I’m calling the cops and describing the guy, not chasing after him with my revolver.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:06 am

Gator Joe

April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
Oscar:
Nice distortion. I don’t aggressively confront people who are minding their own businees, I’m not a wanna-be cop, I’m not a wanna-be bad-ass who carries a gun (don’t own one), and I would listen to and follow instructions from, public safety dispatchers.

_________

Before the confrotation Zimmerman radioed that he did not know where Martin was. And a watch can follow someone from a safe distance. There are no witnesses to the confrotation. But the rports of Martin’s girlfriend say that Martin spoke first.

Anything else is speculation about what might have happened.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:06 am

Please cite your information, 2.

For once in your life.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:07 am

JKL2: Funny definition of “innocent” you have there.

And all of that applies to this specific case, how?

Doggone/GA

April 12th, 2012
10:07 am

“The police insturctions, not the radio tape, provide that a neighbor watch person can follow a person from a safe distance”

Doesn’t change the fact that he was told it was neccessary to follow. If he’d FOLLOWED that advice instead of Martin we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
10:07 am

Wow – I am really honored that Mike Tyson gave us his opinion since he is such an expert on violent crime. Violent felons like him make me think about dusting off my gun.

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

April 12th, 2012
10:07 am

One piece of the case that people seem to overlook is that fact that he was on the phone with his girlfriend during the time, which has been confirmed. She is in part a type of witness from what she heard and the conversation they were having at the time.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:07 am

Oscar — “That last sentence takes away your entire credibility.”

Not in the least. Martin was *already* retreating to his father’s house, you construction notwithstanding.

He’d probably have made it, too, if Zimmerman hadn’t shot him dead.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:08 am

BuckeyeInGa

April 12th, 2012
10:05 am
Here is my interpretation. Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten. Not being charged with something seems rediculous…

So anyone can instigate a fight, then when they start losing..they can kill the person and not worry about getting charged?

_______

Tough legal question. Generally the charge would be manslaughter and the jury question would be who started the fight and was self defense justifiec. Here none of those facts are know.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:08 am

You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.

I’m doing much less of it than you are. What is your experience in investigative work? I interview people on a daily basis to determine who’s lying an who’s not. Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board. There are a few with law enforcement backgrounds that probably know more than what you THINK you know.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
10:08 am

“Yet y’all continue to give them the publicity they crave”

When you have preconceived notions…… that’s all it takes

Don't Forget

April 12th, 2012
10:09 am

Anything but compassion for a dead 17 year old kid and his family.

Its really sickening.

Yes it is. And the political whores just keep on with their BS.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:10 am

I’m not the one giving a press conference on my dead son w/ Sharpton right by my side.

Nope, but you are no different in trying to paint those guys as some kind of “leaders” of the Black community. As I said, keep feeding the attention whores. Just don’t get mad because of your success.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:10 am

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:07 am
Oscar — “That last sentence takes away your entire credibility.”

Not in the least. Martin was *already* retreating to his father’s house, you construction notwithstanding.

He’d probably have made it, too, if Zimmerman hadn’t shot him dead.

______

You have absolutly nothing to support the idea that Zimmerman would have shot Martin in the back while he was running away. That is just way beyond the bounds of any reaonable thoughts about what might have happend had the fight not started.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
10:11 am

Has Tom (Ind. Vet) been on today?

He could be busy emailing his favorite pundit’s site or at the the doctor, seeing he claimed the prosecutor was Democrat and black

Poor Tom…. bless his “birther” heart

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:11 am

granny- Mr. Zimmerman may be completely innocent. My concern was and is with the process. And as REAL advocates and community organizers and activists understand…we can affect and occasionally improve the process by getting involved.

BLUF: I got nothing.

I would say “somebody’s got to help those poor people” but we know eric holder isn’t go to do anything meaningful except waste taxpayer money suing people trying to do his job for him(since he won’t do it)..

Bruno

April 12th, 2012
10:11 am

Bruno, what do you think of JKL2’s assertion that Martin was a gangster-wannabe?

And of Woodstock Mike’s claim that he was not just an innocent kid walking home with Skittles

I would say that they were jumping to conclusions. The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.

As I said a few weeks ago, Am, none of us were there, so all were left with is speculation and projection.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:11 am

Oscar — “Tough legal question. Generally the charge would be manslaughter and the jury question would be who started the fight and was self defense justifiec. Here none of those facts are know.”

Even so, Zimmerman would have been arrested the night of the shooting.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:11 am

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:08 am
You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.

I’m doing much less of it than you are. What is your experience in investigative work? I interview people on a daily basis to determine who’s lying an who’s not. Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board. There are a few with law enforcement backgrounds that probably know more than what you THINK you know.

______

Your attack on me has nothing to do with the case and the facts. Simply means you don’t have any basis to argue with my statements.

Joe

April 12th, 2012
10:11 am

He is being charged, arrested and sent to trial to keep black people from rioting.

If the prosecutors really wanted to nail Zimmerman they would have added many lesser charges in the hope that if Homicide II didn’t stick they would be able to nail him on something.

A trial is the best thing for Zimmerman. Without a trial he would have to live his whole life in hiding.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:12 am

JKL2, no sources yet?

C’mon, I’m not asking for the details of the Korean’s nuke plan.

Seems like you would be able to cough this up, lickety split.

What’s the problem?

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
10:13 am

“Who was currently suspended from school (his third this year) with possession of drugs, parafinalia, stolen merchandise and burglary tools. Funny definition of “innocent” you have there.”

And that has to do exactly what with him being killed?

How did Zimmerman know this info, yet didn’t know Trayvon?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:13 am

Oscar — “You have absolutly nothing to support the idea that Zimmerman would have shot Martin in the back while he was running away.”

That’s why I didn’t say either of those two things. :roll:

I didn’t speculate that Martin was running away and I didn’t state that he was shot in the back.

If you’re going to correct others on their speculations, then I think you need to tighten up on your own speculation, Champ.

“That is just way beyond the bounds of any reaonable thoughts about what might have happend had the fight not started.”

Right, which is why I didn’t say it. You just put those words into my mouth.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:13 am

Oscar

What was Trayvon’s body position when the police arrived? Where did the incident take place? What did Zimmerman tell police he was doing when he exited his vehicle? How long did it take for police to arrive on the scene from the time Trayvon was shot?

Do tell the “Facts” that you know. I’m waiting.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:14 am

Bruno, gangster-wannabe is NOT a conclusion.

It is a representation.

A racial stereotype.

Do you not agree?

And what is your opinion of him using that stereotype in this case?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:15 am

Bruno — “I would say that they were jumping to conclusions. The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.”

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I haven’t mentioned race in regards to this.

IMO, Trayvon Martin is a kid who was shot dead, and it looks to me like George Zimmerman did it. I don’t really care about the race of either of them.

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:15 am

Bruno: The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.

So if this had been a white person shooting a white person, or a black person shooting a white person, all other circumstances the same, the person shooting would have not been arrested and charged? Everything would be exactly the same?

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:15 am

2, do you need a bigger shovel?

Or are your “sources” failing you?

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
10:16 am

“The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.”

There “are those on the Lib side” is much better……… “you on the Lib side” seems to imply a blanket assertion that is not true especially when one reads all the posts on this blog relating to the case

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:16 am

He is being charged, arrested and sent to trial to keep black people from rioting.

Because after 45 days of rioting they wanted to put an end to it. Oh wait….

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:17 am

Recon 0311 2533

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

They Both suck, the only speculation I’ll make is that the special prosecutor must feel there’s compelling evidence that Zimmerman pursued Martin. If so that negates the ’stand your ground” law. That law doesn’t bestow law enforcement duties on private citizens. It only means that you do not have an obligation to retreat from your attacker. In the absence of “stand your ground” the onus is on the person who utilized deadly force in self defense to prove he or she made every effort to escape from their attacker.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

Duty calls, but no worries, JKL2.

I’ll be back later to look at your exhaustive sources to corroborate your claim of Martin having burglary tools and stolen merchandise soon enough.

Toodles…

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:18 am

Oscar

Got your facts yet? You’re quick to tell me that I don’t know the facts to the case, but you can’t produce them yourself. Whenever you’re ready to learn, let me know. I will try to explain the “facts” of the case to you as best as I can in this limited environment.

Joe

April 12th, 2012
10:19 am

“… it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision.” – Jay Bookman

No, Jay, waiting to make a decision that can easily be postponed until you have more facts is not “hasty”. Rather it is sensible and prudent.

Jay, is your problem with understanding of the definition of haste or merely in its logical application in a sentence?

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
10:19 am

The “Stand your ground” law was designed for defense against the Mike Tyson’s of this world …. his fists are deadly weapons and his elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top. I’m not commenting on the Martin case until all the facts come out. However, this is starting to look like the next O;J. trial and I predict, regardless of evidence, Zimmerman is toast.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
10:19 am

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:08 am
You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.

I’m doing much less of it than you are. What is your experience in investigative work? I interview people on a daily basis to determine who’s lying an who’s not. Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board. There are a few with law enforcement backgrounds that probably know more than what you THINK you know.

_________

Go back and read my first couple of comments. I said there were vew facts and this was merely interesting speculation about what might have happened and nothing else.

They BOTH suck

April 12th, 2012
10:20 am

Recon

I’m with you…….. If you have noticed I have made very little speculation and assertions on this case………

I can only hope that justice prevails regardless of what side it falls on

Lyman Hall

April 12th, 2012
10:21 am

I don’t know but……………………..ifn he was on the Pot………………….he’s a daaaaangerous criminal……………………………..as per the Obamanation.
.
See incarceration rates under Obama ………………..after pledging to de-criminilize marijuana use……………..to get votes from gullible idiots.

barking frog

April 12th, 2012
10:22 am

african americans must be concerned about racial profiling. homeowners must be concerned about burglaries. the police
must supervise neighborhood watch
or this incident will recur.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:23 am

jamvet- JKL2 may think he can just cowardly slink away when the heat gets turned up, but I’ve got bad news for him.

Sorry if some of us have to work. I don’t have time to sit here and be called a racist all day.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:26 am

I said there were vew facts and this was merely interesting speculation about what might have happened and nothing else.

That’s where you are wrong. There are lots and lots of facts, but most people wouldn’t know them if they were slapped by them. Even things that seem quite trivial and insignificant can be the difference between innocent and guilty in a case. You’ve accused me of speculating. I asked you for some of the facts related to the case. Can you produce those facts? I can, and that damn sure isn’t speculating either.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:26 am

JKL2 — “Sorry if some of us have to work. I don’t have time to sit here and be called a racist all day.”

How TERRIBLE for you. :roll:

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:27 am

adam- Really? Because I am having a real hard time finding these eyewitness statements anywhere…..

Darn police suppressing evidence from the media again. How dare they not try this man before he’s even arrested…

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:28 am

Sheets means no more of this crap. Keep spinning your wheels guys!

Oh, and Joel Edge, et al, welcome to the dead thread. You too are welcome to spin your wheels on a thread that no one is paying attention to, thinking that having the last word is somehow a “win.” Good luck in life with that attitude!

Adam

April 12th, 2012
10:28 am

Darn police suppressing evidence from the media again. How dare they not try this man before he’s even arrested

Your concession that no such eye witnesses exist except through rumor is noted.

Oblama

April 12th, 2012
10:31 am

JamVet – A human fetus is scientifically proven to have the DNA of a human being…. he/she is just a very young human being. I have concluded that it is age discrimination to terminate the life of the yet born without their permission just because they are to young to defend themselves.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:32 am

independant- Zimmerman on the tape wrongfully profiled Trayvon based on irrellevant facts

Stop listening to the doctored tape recordings. Having the facts might help you.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:37 am

doggone- Zimmerman followed Martin” And right there is the action that should never have happened.

I guess he was supposed to be part of the neighborhood watch that doesn’t actually do anything…

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:39 am

JKL — “I guess he was supposed to be part of the neighborhood watch that doesn’t actually do anything…”

Once he notified the police, he’d done all that neighborhood watches are SUPPOSED to do.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 12th, 2012
10:40 am

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
granny- Mr. Zimmerman may be completely innocent. My concern was and is with the process. And as REAL advocates and community organizers and activists understand…we can affect and occasionally improve the process by getting involved.

BLUF: I got nothing.

BLUF: YOU got nothing

I have reason.

independent thinker

April 12th, 2012
10:45 am

Hey Bruno – what about the comment by Z. “they always get away” and he gets out and can be heard huffing as he is running. What does that tell you?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
10:57 am

I. Thinker — “Hey Bruno – what about the comment by Z. “they always get away” and he gets out and can be heard huffing as he is running. What does that tell you?”

Well, CLEARLY that’s Zimmerman griping about his lack of physical fitness and deciding that he really should have spent 30 more minutes on the treadmill at the gym. :D

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
11:03 am

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
10:26 am
I said there were vew facts and this was merely interesting speculation about what might have happened and nothing else.

That’s where you are wrong. There are lots and lots of facts, but most people wouldn’t know them if they were slapped by them. Even things that seem quite trivial and insignificant can be the difference between innocent and guilty in a case. You’ve accused me of speculating. I asked you for some of the facts related to the case. Can you produce those facts? I can, and that damn sure isn’t speculating either.

____________

You don’t have enough facts to do anything but speculate. And that’s all I did. You should take some medicine and calm down.
And I believe you threatened me earlier. Don’t think threats are in good form.

JamVet

April 12th, 2012
11:35 am

Bwahahahaha!

JKL2, where are those sources???

Jeez, talk about doubling down on the racist dumbass.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 12th, 2012
11:43 am

Bosch

April 12th, 2012
9:10 am
I don’t know about the rest of the left leaners here, but I get rather tired of self-righteous bigots here deciding what I believe.
_____________________________________________

I don’t know about the rest of the Black people, but I get tired of those who are NOT black deciding what is RACIST for me.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
11:48 am

Oscar

I didn’t threaten you. I asked you for the facts that you know. If you don’t know them then just say so. You have no idea of what I know and don’t know. To accuse me of speculation by actively engaging in speculation is proof enough that you have no clue as to what you’re talking about. When you can answer my previous questions or acknowledge that you can’t answer them, then we can get down to discussing the facts of that case.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
11:48 am

Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:13 am

Oscar

What was Trayvon’s body position when the police arrived? Where did the incident take place? What did Zimmerman tell police he was doing when he exited his vehicle? How long did it take for police to arrive on the scene from the time Trayvon was shot?

Do tell the “Facts” that you know. I’m waiting.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
11:53 am

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
11:48 am
_____

Read my coments. I never claimed to have any facts. I only said I was discussing legal theories and possibilities about what may have happened. You came in late and made some assumptions about what I was saying.

” Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board.” Sounds like a threat to me. Maybe you did not intend it as such but that’s the way I took it.

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board.” Sounds like a threat to me. Maybe you did not intend it as such but that’s the way I took it.

Just because you take it as such does not make it a threat. You should be careful of who you engage in specifics. I have a back ground in investigation work. My job requires me to conduct interviews of people to determine truth from fiction. You never claim to have any facts, yet you accuse me of speculating when you don’t even know what is fact and what is not fact. Here’s a rundown of facts.

Trayvon’s body was found face down with his arms underneath his body. In that position, it is very unlikely that he was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Shot from that position, the body would likely be on it’s back either from the recoil from the shot or from Zimmerman rolling him over to get from underneath him if Trayvon collapsed on top of him. That would lead an investigator to the conclusion that Zimmerman was not actively being beaten on the ground when he fired the shot. Based on the position of the body, it is entirely possible that Trayvon was attempting to run away after being shot. The reasoning? When you trip and fall down, you instinctively throw your arms out in front to catch yourself. That would lead to the arms being under the body when he was found.

Zimmerman’s story was that he was attacked when returning to his vehicle. He also stated that he exited his vehicle to get the address of where he was located. Addresses on buildings are usually on the street facing side of the building in numbers big enough to be read from the street. Look at this map here of the area where the shooting took place. The “X” is not the exact location of the incident, but it took place in that general area between those two buildings. Zimmerman’s car position is also shown. IF Zimmerman was trying to get the address and was returning to his vehicle, how would he have gotten attacked “Between” the buildings and not on the street side where the addresses are located?

From the time of the shot, police were on the scene in about a minute’s time based on the 911 tapes. One caller who called in to report the shot explicitly described seeing flashlights between the buildings. That was the police entering the scene. The police report shows the time reported AND their arrival time as the exact same time. That means they were either arriving or in the complex when Trayvon was shot.

As I tried to tell you earlier, don’t assume things when you don’t know them yourself. I’ve read the initial police report and listened to every 911 tape that was available. I looked over the geography of the complex. I took all of that along with eyewitness statements to form my opinion. I didn’t speculate anywhere to the extent that you did when you were applying your legal theories as I was using facts specific to the case being discussed.

Oscar

April 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

Don’t you think the officers on the scene would have determined whether he was shot from the front or the back, and if from the front at close range.

Quagmire

April 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

“In that position, it is very unlikely that he was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Shot from that position, the body would likely be on it’s back either from the recoil from the shot…”

Bro, either I’m reading you wrong or you are implying that a handgun can flip someone over.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
1:35 pm

jamvet- site your sources

From my exhaustive 2 second google search:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
1:43 pm

jamvet- doubling down on the dumbass

http://facepunch.com/threads/1173292

Oh look at this innocent young boy. He’s wearing lovely grillz and a wife beater. Looks like he’s ready for an episode of “Cops”. So imaginative in how he uses the “N” word in his twitter account. I can only hope my daughter can meet such a fine young man some day…

Brosephus™

April 12th, 2012
1:43 pm

Oscar

CSU investigators would be the ones to recover the evidence to determine those things. Officer observation would help, but I didn’t see anything in their initial report.

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Quagmire

You’re reading me wrong. Nowhere did I state he would get flipped. When shot, the person typically recoils back in response. From a position of advantage over a person, that recoil would lead the person shot to fall back and possibly end up on their back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXQK3NfRY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH3vIxp7iMQ&feature=related

Notice the body reaction upon being shot. What I am suggesting is that if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, he would not have ended up face down with his arms underneath his body. If he fell forward on top of Zimmerman, then Zimmerman would have had to roll him off to get up. For Trayvon’s body to be in that position, Zimmerman would have needed the time necessary to position the body in that manner. Given the eyewitness testimony of Zimmerman walking around holding his head, it’s very likely he didn’t position the body. The other option, if Trayvon was shot while on top of Zimmerman would be that he would either fall to the side or fall back. In those instances, he still would not land face down with his arms under his body.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

JKL — “Oh look at this innocent young boy. He’s wearing lovely grillz and a wife beater.”

Oh, HORRORS. Surely he must be arrested at once, shot dead and then convicted. He’s got to be guilty of SOMETHING. :roll:

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

April 12th, 2012
5:43 pm

Victor Davis Hanson covers this whole thing well. Check it out.

bert

April 12th, 2012
6:49 pm

They had to find a “special” prosecuter. Special because she was willing to become a conformist with everyone else that supported No Limit Trayvon Thug Martin. It’s cool though because not all 12 jurors are going to see it the way the liberals decided to see it. I find it funny how so many people know what happened but eye witnesses can’t even give clear statements. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Don’t be dissapointed when Zimmerman doesn’t get convicted of murder, and also doesn’t spend a day in prison with lesser charges. I will still stand my ground, force your way into my home or attempt to rob or kill me you will be dead. I’ll be judged by 12 as well if it means that I have to be.

JKL2

April 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

joe mama- He’s got to be guilty of SOMETHING

Yes, guilty of being a ganster-wannabe.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 13th, 2012
9:50 am

VRWC — “Victor Davis Hanson covers this whole thing well.”

Victor Davis Hanson covers nothing well, except perhaps the Battles of Cannae and Thermopylae. And those both happened *centuries* ago. For actual coverage of modern events, one is best advised to look elsewhere than to the Sage of Oxnard.

JKL — “Yes, guilty of being a ganster-wannabe.”

Which, of course, makes it okay to shoot him dead, right?

Go ahead, you can say it. I think you’ve made your position pretty clear, even if you’re afraid to admit it out loud.