Charges reportedly pending in Trayvon Martin death
While we still don’t have anything close to a full accounting of the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin, the prosecuting attorney assigned to investigate apparently believes that she has uncovered enough cause to press charges:
Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey plans to announce as early as Wednesday afternoon that she is charging neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation.
It was not immediately clear what charge Zimmerman will face….
Corey told reporters Tuesday night that she would hold a news conference about the case within 72 hours. A news release from her office said the event will be held in Sanford or Jacksonville, Fla.
If charges are filed, it would validate public outrage at the fact that prosecutors initially declined to pursue the case against Zimmerman. It doesn’t mean that the former neighborhood-watch captain is guilty; it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision.
– Jay Bookman
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Recon 0311 2533
April 12th, 2012
10:01 am
I don’t think any of us really know enough about this case to draw absolute conclusions about guilt or innocence at this point. The prosecutor obviously believed that there was sufficient evidence to bring charges. A judge will make the determination if the case against Zimmerman should go to trial and if it does go to trial he will be presumed innocent until such time that he’s proven guilty. This should be the case regardless of presumptions one way or the other outside of the courtroom.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:01 am
Bruno, what do you think of JKL2’s assertion that Martin was a gangster-wannabe?
And of Woodstock Mike’s claim that he was not just an innocent kid walking home with Skittles
Adam
April 12th, 2012
10:01 am
“Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t.”
What makes you think he was anywhere near it? What makes you think that if he was, he would want the strange man following him to know where he lived?
Doggone/GA
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
“Zimmerman followed Martin”
And right there is the action that should never have happened.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
We don’t have lovely people like Jackson and Sharpton to lead us.
And they didn’t lead the social media drive for Trayvon either. Don’t let that little fact get in your way though. They jumped on the bandwagon just like the media did. Yet y’all continue to give them the publicity they crave.
Peadawg
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
“Legalzoom.com is ready when you are to help you start your own PAC or civil rights committee, for whites!” – No thanks. We don’t need 2 people to speak for all us. Or atleast who THINK they speak for all of us.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
hus™
April 12th, 2012
9:59 am
He could have stayed in his car and driven away. But he didn’t. That fact has at this point nothing to do with the case. Martin could have retreated to the safetyof his father’s house. But he didn’t. That at this point has nothing to do with the case.
What makes you think that Martin was not trying to get to his father’s GIRLFRIEND’s house, which is actually where he was headed. There’s these little things called facts that tend to get left out. The “fact” that Zimmerman got out of his SUV has a direct bearing on his case, even more so when you can hear him huffing on the 911 tape like he’s running after Martin. You don’t chase a “person” in order to get the address where you’re located do you? Remember that he told the cops that he exited his vehicle to get the address where he was. Chasing somebody doesn’t get you an address.
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You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.
Gator Joe
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
Oscar:
Nice distortion. I don’t aggressively confront people who are minding their own businees, I’m not a wanna-be cop, I’m not a wanna-be bad-ass who carries a gun (don’t own one), and I would listen to and follow instructions from, public safety dispatchers.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
RF
Thanks for posting that photo. Gonna have to save that one for future use.
RF
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
Look at the map of the complex. Zimmerman, it seems, passed at least three buildings and went between two of them. I think he had an address by that time to give police. If true, the map shows what looks like a pretty direct intent to intercept Martin. Follow the link I posted above and see what you think.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:03 am
JKL2 show back up.
But the heat is still on.
Explain to me exactly how Martin was a gangster-wannabe.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
10:03 am
Doggone/GA
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
“Zimmerman followed Martin”
And right there is the action that should never have happened.
_______
The police insturctions, not the radio tape, provide that a neighbor watch person can follow a person from a safe distance.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
10:04 am
“These idiots that continue to say Martin was just a kid walking home with a bag of skittles are by far the dumbest people on earth!!”
And you were there?
Before you say I wasn’t either, post were I have made an asinine comment like your even one way or the other on this case in terms of guilt or innocence.
thanks
Adam
April 12th, 2012
10:04 am
Peadawg: We don’t need 2 people to speak for all us
Exactly. Because the government, society, and prevailing privilege attitudes ingrained in all of us do that already.
Peadawg
April 12th, 2012
10:04 am
“Yet y’all continue to give them the publicity they crave.” – Who’s “ya’ll”? I’m not the one giving a press conference on my dead son w/ Sharpton right by my side.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:05 am
Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten.
Mike
There’s this one little thing though…. It’s hard to claim self defense when you started the fight.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
10:05 am
Recon @ 10:01
Good post and thank you
BuckeyeInGa
April 12th, 2012
10:05 am
Here is my interpretation. Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten. Not being charged with something seems rediculous…
So anyone can instigate a fight, then when they start losing..they can kill the person and not worry about getting charged?
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:05 am
Mike?
Nothing?
Nothing at all to explain how he was guilty before he was even contacted by the killer?
Seriously?
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
10:05 am
jamvet- JKL2’s disgusting lies about that innocent teenager
Who was currently suspended from school (his third this year) with possession of drugs, parafinalia, stolen merchandise and burglary tools. Funny definition of “innocent” you have there.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:06 am
Mike — “Here is my interpretation. Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten. Not being charged with something seems rediculous…”
Even if we accept your chain of events, it is clear that Zimmerman *precipitated* the fight by following Martin. And in such a case, Zimmerman *would* be criminally culpable for Martin’s death. I can’t comment knowledgeably regarding what he’d be guilty of under FL law under different sets of circumstances, but I do know that the FL Stand Your Ground law offers you protection only if the fight *comes to you.* If *you go to the fight,* then you’re on your own.
So if Zimmerman got out of his truck and pursued Martin, then he’s got no protection there. And I don’t think that any court in the country is going to accept that Zimmerman, who was considerably larger than Martin, had no choice but to *shoot* him in order to defend himself.
I’m not a gun-grabber; I own firearms myself. If you break into my house, both me and my wife are going to shoot at you. But if I see someone I don’t know slinking through my neighborhood, I’m calling the cops and describing the guy, not chasing after him with my revolver.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
10:06 am
Gator Joe
April 12th, 2012
10:02 am
Oscar:
Nice distortion. I don’t aggressively confront people who are minding their own businees, I’m not a wanna-be cop, I’m not a wanna-be bad-ass who carries a gun (don’t own one), and I would listen to and follow instructions from, public safety dispatchers.
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Before the confrotation Zimmerman radioed that he did not know where Martin was. And a watch can follow someone from a safe distance. There are no witnesses to the confrotation. But the rports of Martin’s girlfriend say that Martin spoke first.
Anything else is speculation about what might have happened.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:06 am
Please cite your information, 2.
For once in your life.
Adam
April 12th, 2012
10:07 am
JKL2: Funny definition of “innocent” you have there.
And all of that applies to this specific case, how?
Doggone/GA
April 12th, 2012
10:07 am
“The police insturctions, not the radio tape, provide that a neighbor watch person can follow a person from a safe distance”
Doesn’t change the fact that he was told it was neccessary to follow. If he’d FOLLOWED that advice instead of Martin we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Oblama
April 12th, 2012
10:07 am
Wow – I am really honored that Mike Tyson gave us his opinion since he is such an expert on violent crime. Violent felons like him make me think about dusting off my gun.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
April 12th, 2012
10:07 am
One piece of the case that people seem to overlook is that fact that he was on the phone with his girlfriend during the time, which has been confirmed. She is in part a type of witness from what she heard and the conversation they were having at the time.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:07 am
Oscar — “That last sentence takes away your entire credibility.”
Not in the least. Martin was *already* retreating to his father’s house, you construction notwithstanding.
He’d probably have made it, too, if Zimmerman hadn’t shot him dead.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
10:08 am
BuckeyeInGa
April 12th, 2012
10:05 am
Here is my interpretation. Zimmerman followed Martin, a fight ensued, Zimmerman was armed, he was losing the fight, a boy got killed. This is a sad case. Criminally speaking, it is difficult to charge someone when it was clear he was being physically beaten. Not being charged with something seems rediculous…
So anyone can instigate a fight, then when they start losing..they can kill the person and not worry about getting charged?
_______
Tough legal question. Generally the charge would be manslaughter and the jury question would be who started the fight and was self defense justifiec. Here none of those facts are know.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:08 am
You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.
I’m doing much less of it than you are. What is your experience in investigative work? I interview people on a daily basis to determine who’s lying an who’s not. Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board. There are a few with law enforcement backgrounds that probably know more than what you THINK you know.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
10:08 am
“Yet y’all continue to give them the publicity they crave”
When you have preconceived notions…… that’s all it takes
Don't Forget
April 12th, 2012
10:09 am
Anything but compassion for a dead 17 year old kid and his family.
Its really sickening.
Yes it is. And the political whores just keep on with their BS.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:10 am
I’m not the one giving a press conference on my dead son w/ Sharpton right by my side.
Nope, but you are no different in trying to paint those guys as some kind of “leaders” of the Black community. As I said, keep feeding the attention whores. Just don’t get mad because of your success.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
10:10 am
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:07 am
Oscar — “That last sentence takes away your entire credibility.”
Not in the least. Martin was *already* retreating to his father’s house, you construction notwithstanding.
He’d probably have made it, too, if Zimmerman hadn’t shot him dead.
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You have absolutly nothing to support the idea that Zimmerman would have shot Martin in the back while he was running away. That is just way beyond the bounds of any reaonable thoughts about what might have happend had the fight not started.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
Has Tom (Ind. Vet) been on today?
He could be busy emailing his favorite pundit’s site or at the the doctor, seeing he claimed the prosecutor was Democrat and black
Poor Tom…. bless his “birther” heart
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
granny- Mr. Zimmerman may be completely innocent. My concern was and is with the process. And as REAL advocates and community organizers and activists understand…we can affect and occasionally improve the process by getting involved.
BLUF: I got nothing.
I would say “somebody’s got to help those poor people” but we know eric holder isn’t go to do anything meaningful except waste taxpayer money suing people trying to do his job for him(since he won’t do it)..
Bruno
April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
Bruno, what do you think of JKL2’s assertion that Martin was a gangster-wannabe?
And of Woodstock Mike’s claim that he was not just an innocent kid walking home with Skittles
I would say that they were jumping to conclusions. The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.
As I said a few weeks ago, Am, none of us were there, so all were left with is speculation and projection.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
Oscar — “Tough legal question. Generally the charge would be manslaughter and the jury question would be who started the fight and was self defense justifiec. Here none of those facts are know.”
Even so, Zimmerman would have been arrested the night of the shooting.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:08 am
You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.
I’m doing much less of it than you are. What is your experience in investigative work? I interview people on a daily basis to determine who’s lying an who’s not. Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board. There are a few with law enforcement backgrounds that probably know more than what you THINK you know.
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Your attack on me has nothing to do with the case and the facts. Simply means you don’t have any basis to argue with my statements.
Joe
April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
He is being charged, arrested and sent to trial to keep black people from rioting.
If the prosecutors really wanted to nail Zimmerman they would have added many lesser charges in the hope that if Homicide II didn’t stick they would be able to nail him on something.
A trial is the best thing for Zimmerman. Without a trial he would have to live his whole life in hiding.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:12 am
JKL2, no sources yet?
C’mon, I’m not asking for the details of the Korean’s nuke plan.
Seems like you would be able to cough this up, lickety split.
What’s the problem?
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
10:13 am
“Who was currently suspended from school (his third this year) with possession of drugs, parafinalia, stolen merchandise and burglary tools. Funny definition of “innocent” you have there.”
And that has to do exactly what with him being killed?
How did Zimmerman know this info, yet didn’t know Trayvon?
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:13 am
Oscar — “You have absolutly nothing to support the idea that Zimmerman would have shot Martin in the back while he was running away.”
That’s why I didn’t say either of those two things.
I didn’t speculate that Martin was running away and I didn’t state that he was shot in the back.
If you’re going to correct others on their speculations, then I think you need to tighten up on your own speculation, Champ.
“That is just way beyond the bounds of any reaonable thoughts about what might have happend had the fight not started.”
Right, which is why I didn’t say it. You just put those words into my mouth.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:13 am
Oscar
What was Trayvon’s body position when the police arrived? Where did the incident take place? What did Zimmerman tell police he was doing when he exited his vehicle? How long did it take for police to arrive on the scene from the time Trayvon was shot?
Do tell the “Facts” that you know. I’m waiting.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:14 am
Bruno, gangster-wannabe is NOT a conclusion.
It is a representation.
A racial stereotype.
Do you not agree?
And what is your opinion of him using that stereotype in this case?
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:15 am
Bruno — “I would say that they were jumping to conclusions. The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.”
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I haven’t mentioned race in regards to this.
IMO, Trayvon Martin is a kid who was shot dead, and it looks to me like George Zimmerman did it. I don’t really care about the race of either of them.
Adam
April 12th, 2012
10:15 am
Bruno: The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.
So if this had been a white person shooting a white person, or a black person shooting a white person, all other circumstances the same, the person shooting would have not been arrested and charged? Everything would be exactly the same?
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:15 am
2, do you need a bigger shovel?
Or are your “sources” failing you?
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
10:16 am
“The same process that you on the Lib side followed in automatically declaring Trayvon to be an innocent victim of a racially motivated crime.”
There “are those on the Lib side” is much better……… “you on the Lib side” seems to imply a blanket assertion that is not true especially when one reads all the posts on this blog relating to the case
Adam
April 12th, 2012
10:16 am
He is being charged, arrested and sent to trial to keep black people from rioting.
Because after 45 days of rioting they wanted to put an end to it. Oh wait….
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:17 am
SHEETS
Recon 0311 2533
April 12th, 2012
10:18 am
They Both suck, the only speculation I’ll make is that the special prosecutor must feel there’s compelling evidence that Zimmerman pursued Martin. If so that negates the ’stand your ground” law. That law doesn’t bestow law enforcement duties on private citizens. It only means that you do not have an obligation to retreat from your attacker. In the absence of “stand your ground” the onus is on the person who utilized deadly force in self defense to prove he or she made every effort to escape from their attacker.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
10:18 am
Duty calls, but no worries, JKL2.
I’ll be back later to look at your exhaustive sources to corroborate your claim of Martin having burglary tools and stolen merchandise soon enough.
Toodles…
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:18 am
Oscar
Got your facts yet? You’re quick to tell me that I don’t know the facts to the case, but you can’t produce them yourself. Whenever you’re ready to learn, let me know. I will try to explain the “facts” of the case to you as best as I can in this limited environment.
Joe
April 12th, 2012
10:19 am
“… it does mean that officials may have been hasty in their initial decision.” – Jay Bookman
No, Jay, waiting to make a decision that can easily be postponed until you have more facts is not “hasty”. Rather it is sensible and prudent.
Jay, is your problem with understanding of the definition of haste or merely in its logical application in a sentence?
Oblama
April 12th, 2012
10:19 am
The “Stand your ground” law was designed for defense against the Mike Tyson’s of this world …. his fists are deadly weapons and his elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top. I’m not commenting on the Martin case until all the facts come out. However, this is starting to look like the next O;J. trial and I predict, regardless of evidence, Zimmerman is toast.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
10:19 am
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:08 am
You are confusing mind reading and speculation with facts. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don’t confuse the two.
I’m doing much less of it than you are. What is your experience in investigative work? I interview people on a daily basis to determine who’s lying an who’s not. Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board. There are a few with law enforcement backgrounds that probably know more than what you THINK you know.
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Go back and read my first couple of comments. I said there were vew facts and this was merely interesting speculation about what might have happened and nothing else.
They BOTH suck
April 12th, 2012
10:20 am
Recon
I’m with you…….. If you have noticed I have made very little speculation and assertions on this case………
I can only hope that justice prevails regardless of what side it falls on
Lyman Hall
April 12th, 2012
10:21 am
I don’t know but……………………..ifn he was on the Pot………………….he’s a daaaaangerous criminal……………………………..as per the Obamanation.
.
See incarceration rates under Obama ………………..after pledging to de-criminilize marijuana use……………..to get votes from gullible idiots.
barking frog
April 12th, 2012
10:22 am
african americans must be concerned about racial profiling. homeowners must be concerned about burglaries. the police
must supervise neighborhood watch
or this incident will recur.
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
10:23 am
jamvet- JKL2 may think he can just cowardly slink away when the heat gets turned up, but I’ve got bad news for him.
Sorry if some of us have to work. I don’t have time to sit here and be called a racist all day.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:26 am
I said there were vew facts and this was merely interesting speculation about what might have happened and nothing else.
That’s where you are wrong. There are lots and lots of facts, but most people wouldn’t know them if they were slapped by them. Even things that seem quite trivial and insignificant can be the difference between innocent and guilty in a case. You’ve accused me of speculating. I asked you for some of the facts related to the case. Can you produce those facts? I can, and that damn sure isn’t speculating either.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:26 am
JKL2 — “Sorry if some of us have to work. I don’t have time to sit here and be called a racist all day.”
How TERRIBLE for you.
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
10:27 am
adam- Really? Because I am having a real hard time finding these eyewitness statements anywhere…..
Darn police suppressing evidence from the media again. How dare they not try this man before he’s even arrested…
Adam
April 12th, 2012
10:28 am
Sheets means no more of this crap. Keep spinning your wheels guys!
Oh, and Joel Edge, et al, welcome to the dead thread. You too are welcome to spin your wheels on a thread that no one is paying attention to, thinking that having the last word is somehow a “win.” Good luck in life with that attitude!
Adam
April 12th, 2012
10:28 am
Darn police suppressing evidence from the media again. How dare they not try this man before he’s even arrested
Your concession that no such eye witnesses exist except through rumor is noted.
Oblama
April 12th, 2012
10:31 am
JamVet – A human fetus is scientifically proven to have the DNA of a human being…. he/she is just a very young human being. I have concluded that it is age discrimination to terminate the life of the yet born without their permission just because they are to young to defend themselves.
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
10:32 am
independant- Zimmerman on the tape wrongfully profiled Trayvon based on irrellevant facts
Stop listening to the doctored tape recordings. Having the facts might help you.
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
10:37 am
doggone- Zimmerman followed Martin” And right there is the action that should never have happened.
I guess he was supposed to be part of the neighborhood watch that doesn’t actually do anything…
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:39 am
JKL — “I guess he was supposed to be part of the neighborhood watch that doesn’t actually do anything…”
Once he notified the police, he’d done all that neighborhood watches are SUPPOSED to do.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 12th, 2012
10:40 am
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
10:11 am
granny- Mr. Zimmerman may be completely innocent. My concern was and is with the process. And as REAL advocates and community organizers and activists understand…we can affect and occasionally improve the process by getting involved.
BLUF: I got nothing.
BLUF: YOU got nothing
I have reason.
independent thinker
April 12th, 2012
10:45 am
Hey Bruno – what about the comment by Z. “they always get away” and he gets out and can be heard huffing as he is running. What does that tell you?
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
10:57 am
I. Thinker — “Hey Bruno – what about the comment by Z. “they always get away” and he gets out and can be heard huffing as he is running. What does that tell you?”
Well, CLEARLY that’s Zimmerman griping about his lack of physical fitness and deciding that he really should have spent 30 more minutes on the treadmill at the gym.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
11:03 am
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:26 am
I said there were vew facts and this was merely interesting speculation about what might have happened and nothing else.
That’s where you are wrong. There are lots and lots of facts, but most people wouldn’t know them if they were slapped by them. Even things that seem quite trivial and insignificant can be the difference between innocent and guilty in a case. You’ve accused me of speculating. I asked you for some of the facts related to the case. Can you produce those facts? I can, and that damn sure isn’t speculating either.
____________
You don’t have enough facts to do anything but speculate. And that’s all I did. You should take some medicine and calm down.
And I believe you threatened me earlier. Don’t think threats are in good form.
JamVet
April 12th, 2012
11:35 am
Bwahahahaha!
JKL2, where are those sources???
Jeez, talk about doubling down on the racist dumbass.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
April 12th, 2012
11:43 am
Bosch
April 12th, 2012
9:10 am
I don’t know about the rest of the left leaners here, but I get rather tired of self-righteous bigots here deciding what I believe.
_____________________________________________
I don’t know about the rest of the Black people, but I get tired of those who are NOT black deciding what is RACIST for me.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
11:48 am
Oscar
I didn’t threaten you. I asked you for the facts that you know. If you don’t know them then just say so. You have no idea of what I know and don’t know. To accuse me of speculation by actively engaging in speculation is proof enough that you have no clue as to what you’re talking about. When you can answer my previous questions or acknowledge that you can’t answer them, then we can get down to discussing the facts of that case.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
11:48 am
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
10:13 am
Oscar
What was Trayvon’s body position when the police arrived? Where did the incident take place? What did Zimmerman tell police he was doing when he exited his vehicle? How long did it take for police to arrive on the scene from the time Trayvon was shot?
Do tell the “Facts” that you know. I’m waiting.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
11:53 am
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
11:48 am
_____
Read my coments. I never claimed to have any facts. I only said I was discussing legal theories and possibilities about what may have happened. You came in late and made some assumptions about what I was saying.
” Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board.” Sounds like a threat to me. Maybe you did not intend it as such but that’s the way I took it.
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
12:33 pm
Be careful of who you try to downtalk on this board.” Sounds like a threat to me. Maybe you did not intend it as such but that’s the way I took it.
Just because you take it as such does not make it a threat. You should be careful of who you engage in specifics. I have a back ground in investigation work. My job requires me to conduct interviews of people to determine truth from fiction. You never claim to have any facts, yet you accuse me of speculating when you don’t even know what is fact and what is not fact. Here’s a rundown of facts.
Trayvon’s body was found face down with his arms underneath his body. In that position, it is very unlikely that he was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Shot from that position, the body would likely be on it’s back either from the recoil from the shot or from Zimmerman rolling him over to get from underneath him if Trayvon collapsed on top of him. That would lead an investigator to the conclusion that Zimmerman was not actively being beaten on the ground when he fired the shot. Based on the position of the body, it is entirely possible that Trayvon was attempting to run away after being shot. The reasoning? When you trip and fall down, you instinctively throw your arms out in front to catch yourself. That would lead to the arms being under the body when he was found.
Zimmerman’s story was that he was attacked when returning to his vehicle. He also stated that he exited his vehicle to get the address of where he was located. Addresses on buildings are usually on the street facing side of the building in numbers big enough to be read from the street. Look at this map here of the area where the shooting took place. The “X” is not the exact location of the incident, but it took place in that general area between those two buildings. Zimmerman’s car position is also shown. IF Zimmerman was trying to get the address and was returning to his vehicle, how would he have gotten attacked “Between” the buildings and not on the street side where the addresses are located?
From the time of the shot, police were on the scene in about a minute’s time based on the 911 tapes. One caller who called in to report the shot explicitly described seeing flashlights between the buildings. That was the police entering the scene. The police report shows the time reported AND their arrival time as the exact same time. That means they were either arriving or in the complex when Trayvon was shot.
As I tried to tell you earlier, don’t assume things when you don’t know them yourself. I’ve read the initial police report and listened to every 911 tape that was available. I looked over the geography of the complex. I took all of that along with eyewitness statements to form my opinion. I didn’t speculate anywhere to the extent that you did when you were applying your legal theories as I was using facts specific to the case being discussed.
Oscar
April 12th, 2012
12:54 pm
Don’t you think the officers on the scene would have determined whether he was shot from the front or the back, and if from the front at close range.
Quagmire
April 12th, 2012
1:15 pm
“In that position, it is very unlikely that he was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Shot from that position, the body would likely be on it’s back either from the recoil from the shot…”
Bro, either I’m reading you wrong or you are implying that a handgun can flip someone over.
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
jamvet- site your sources
From my exhaustive 2 second google search:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
jamvet- doubling down on the dumbass
http://facepunch.com/threads/1173292
Oh look at this innocent young boy. He’s wearing lovely grillz and a wife beater. Looks like he’s ready for an episode of “Cops”. So imaginative in how he uses the “N” word in his twitter account. I can only hope my daughter can meet such a fine young man some day…
Brosephus™
April 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
Oscar
CSU investigators would be the ones to recover the evidence to determine those things. Officer observation would help, but I didn’t see anything in their initial report.
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Quagmire
You’re reading me wrong. Nowhere did I state he would get flipped. When shot, the person typically recoils back in response. From a position of advantage over a person, that recoil would lead the person shot to fall back and possibly end up on their back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXQK3NfRY4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH3vIxp7iMQ&feature=related
Notice the body reaction upon being shot. What I am suggesting is that if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, he would not have ended up face down with his arms underneath his body. If he fell forward on top of Zimmerman, then Zimmerman would have had to roll him off to get up. For Trayvon’s body to be in that position, Zimmerman would have needed the time necessary to position the body in that manner. Given the eyewitness testimony of Zimmerman walking around holding his head, it’s very likely he didn’t position the body. The other option, if Trayvon was shot while on top of Zimmerman would be that he would either fall to the side or fall back. In those instances, he still would not land face down with his arms under his body.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 12th, 2012
2:04 pm
JKL — “Oh look at this innocent young boy. He’s wearing lovely grillz and a wife beater.”
Oh, HORRORS. Surely he must be arrested at once, shot dead and then convicted. He’s got to be guilty of SOMETHING.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
April 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
Victor Davis Hanson covers this whole thing well. Check it out.
bert
April 12th, 2012
6:49 pm
They had to find a “special” prosecuter. Special because she was willing to become a conformist with everyone else that supported No Limit Trayvon Thug Martin. It’s cool though because not all 12 jurors are going to see it the way the liberals decided to see it. I find it funny how so many people know what happened but eye witnesses can’t even give clear statements. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Don’t be dissapointed when Zimmerman doesn’t get convicted of murder, and also doesn’t spend a day in prison with lesser charges. I will still stand my ground, force your way into my home or attempt to rob or kill me you will be dead. I’ll be judged by 12 as well if it means that I have to be.
JKL2
April 12th, 2012
8:27 pm
joe mama- He’s got to be guilty of SOMETHING
Yes, guilty of being a ganster-wannabe.
Joe Hussein Mama
April 13th, 2012
9:50 am
VRWC — “Victor Davis Hanson covers this whole thing well.”
Victor Davis Hanson covers nothing well, except perhaps the Battles of Cannae and Thermopylae. And those both happened *centuries* ago. For actual coverage of modern events, one is best advised to look elsewhere than to the Sage of Oxnard.
JKL — “Yes, guilty of being a ganster-wannabe.”
Which, of course, makes it okay to shoot him dead, right?
Go ahead, you can say it. I think you’ve made your position pretty clear, even if you’re afraid to admit it out loud.