Algae-based oil as silly as heavier-than-air flight

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“Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax.”

– British physicist Lord Kelvin

“New ideas pass through three periods:
1) It can’t be done.
2) It probably can be done, but it’s not worth doing.
3) I knew it was a good idea all along!”

– Arthur C. Clarke

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Sapphire Energy, a startup company trying to commercialize the use of algae as an energy source to replace oil, last week announced $144 million in new investments.

As MIT’s Technology Review reports:

“The new funding will allow Sapphire to finish building its algae farm, near the small town of Columbus, New Mexico, just north of the U.S.–Mexico border. A 100-acre segment of the farm has already been finished, and when the whole project is complete, by 2014, Sapphire will have the capacity to produce about 1.5 million gallons of algae crude oil, which can be shipped to refineries to make chemicals and fuels such as diesel and gasoline….

Sapphire hopes to lower the cost of producing algae fuels by changing every part of the production process. That includes increasing the quality and the amount of oil produced, reducing the cost of building ponds, and developing low-cost ways to harvest the oil. The company aims to have a product that’s competitive with oil priced at $85 per barrel, and it expects to meet this goal once it reaches full-scale production in about six years. Oil costs over $100 a barrel now.”

There’s no guarantee of success, of course. Based on current technology, algae-derived diesel would be several times more expensive than diesel refined from petroleum. In other words, the technology is in Step #2 in Arthur C. Clarke’s progression, with no assurance it will ever reach #3.

And it’s not an experiment that private investors are willing and able to support on their own. While private partners such as Monsanto and Arrowpoint Partners, a Denver-based venture capital firm, have invested heavily in the company, the federal government accounts for $105 million of the $300 million that Sapphire has raised so far.

Is that a wasted investment? Even if Sapphire proves a total failure, the answer would be no. Not when you consider the hundreds of billions of dollars that we ship overseas every year to buy naturally occurring petroleum. Not when you consider the lives and hundreds of billions in tax dollars invested in our military to help guarantee access to that oil. Not when you consider the environmental impact of burning carbon-based fuels for energy.

Given all that, it would be foolish not to seek alternatives, and it would be foolish for government not to try to push the technology to commercial viability. Government subsidized the building of the railroads; it was the “angel investor” that brought the Internet into being. More than a third of the medical research undertaken in this country is government-funded; the polio vaccine, among many others, was created with federal funding. And other countries, including China, have no compunction whatsoever about investing in new-generation energy technologies.

It is inconceivable to me that the United States, a country whose prosperity has been built in large part on technological superiority and whose leaders speak endlessly about reaching energy independence, would cease striving to develop alternative energy sources. Those who argue in favor of doing would forfeit the future to others more willing to take a chance.

– Jay Bookman

545 comments Add your comment

ty webb

April 9th, 2012
5:12 pm

No one’s arguing against the private sector investing their money on algae-based oil…The federal government doesn’t have the money.

Paul

April 9th, 2012
5:12 pm

Before any bloggers post about the stupid environmental whackos in the Obama Administration who are out of touch and are blindly pursuing their green agenda to wreck the domestic oil industry, I’d just ask them to go to Google and type ‘Department of Defense algae fuel.’

Then let them post about the stupid environmental whacko, out of touch admirals and generals who are investing in this as a matter of national security.

In other words, think before you repeat what you heard your favorite broadcaster say.

And I’ll repeat what I’ve said before: I don’t care if it costs more than conventional crude, given the American lives lost protecting the oil supply. But I don’t see how hit can cost more if one factors in the Defense costs to guard our supply lines.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
5:12 pm

Heck…….. Big Oil is invested in it

It was comical when the right laughed at Obama for bringing up algae. A good percentage who were laughing do not even know that Big Oil is banking on it………. BIG

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:13 pm

We need to make big bets on energy, no doubt. China’s sucking up all the oil and gas leases it can buy. Existing companies only want to protect their own market share, not grow into unproven markets. Government assistance is needed to help move all this along.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

The federal government doesn’t have the money.

Sure we do. If we have money to continue to wage war and defend Europe and Japan, we have money to secure our energy future.

MAATF

April 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

It is well worth the investment. It may fail – but most every failure moves the science forward. Success is built on the back of failure.

Jay

April 9th, 2012
5:15 pm

How about the polio vaccine, Ty? Should the feds have invested in that, or left it to private industry?

What about the Internet?

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:16 pm

Jay: might as well ask ty about going to the moon, which was entirely funded by government and helped create numerous technologies we now take for granted.

Doggone/GA

April 9th, 2012
5:17 pm

“The federal government doesn’t have the money”

$105 million – says they do

ty webb

April 9th, 2012
5:19 pm

Byteme,
no arguement from me…we don’t have money to wage wars, so let’s stop waging wars…still doesn’t mean we should spend money we don’t have on something else.

too little time

April 9th, 2012
5:19 pm

“Those who argue in favor of doing would forfeit the future to others more willing to take a chance”

That is a logical fallacy. You are assuming an either/or outcome…that the U.S. Govt/Sapphire must do this now or “forfeit the future” … to whom? I’m sure that you could have written this exact same article about Solyndra 3 years ago. You would be wrong then just as you are now.

If, when oil stays consistently above $100, the technology is viable, there will be dozens of companies in the hunt. What makes you believe that there will be a single winner… that some single entity must win and all others will be forfeit?

Or, some other technology… natural gas or hydrogen… could make algae obsolete in the same way that cheap China panels made with a newer technology doomed Solyndra in its infancy. Why should the taxpayers be on the hook?

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
5:20 pm

Al Gee: the favorite whipping boy of the Right!

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:21 pm

still doesn’t mean we should spend money we don’t have on something else.

Of course we have the money, silly. We’ve already made the investment. Just because you’d rather keep the money than fund it via taxes doesn’t mean we don’t have the money.

Doggone/GA

April 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

Good one Sooth!

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

It is inconceivable to me that the United States, a country whose prosperity has been built in large part on technological superiority and whose leaders speak endlessly about reaching energy independence, would cease striving to develop alternative energy sources. Those who argue in favor of doing would forfeit the future to others more willing to take a chance.

I don’t have a problem with some federal funding going toward energy research. My only requirement would be some accountability. No more Solyndras.

My personal guess is that a private company will come up with a solution faster than the government researchers, however. Nothing like the profit motive to bring the best out in folks.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

Why should the taxpayers be on the hook?

Or, you could ask: why shouldn’t taxpayers benefit if the technology pans out and our bet succeeds?

Logical Dude

April 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

Now what the heck are they feeding these algae in the first place to make them poop oil?

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:24 pm

My only requirement would be some accountability. No more Solyndras.

Solyndra had accountability to their stakeholders, they just didn’t have success.

Every VC out there will tell you that they have to place a lot of bets to get their desired payback, because 19 out of 20 of those bets will be losing bets. But that one that pays off will be huge.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:25 pm

Now what the heck are they feeding these algae in the first place to make them poop oil?

I’m thinking it’s the same thing my dog is eating when he’s outside that makes him pass gas that is soooo toxic.

ty webb

April 9th, 2012
5:26 pm

Jay,
the polio vaccine? yes…the internet? no.

JohnnyReb

April 9th, 2012
5:27 pm

Government investment in promising technology, yes. Crony Capitalisim and political paybacks like Solyndra, no.

There is ample evidence the government funded space program paid back a thousand fold. Only the uniformed deny that.

Wise government funding decisions must include just how far the market is being pushed. For example, the payback on solar cell power is over 30 years. The cells have to be replaced in less than 30. It’s not a market ready technology regardless of the examples of it working.

carlosgvv

April 9th, 2012
5:30 pm

If this turns out to be a viable solution, it’s success will depend on the support of Big Oil. If they in any way feel threatened financially, they will enlist their lackeys in Congress and their usefull idiots who blog for them to assure a total defeat of this project.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
5:31 pm

Bruno

I’m not saying that Solyndra was run well, had a great marketing plan, etc, however Brocephus posted a pretty good article a few weeks ago how the state of GA has actually worked to keep companies like Solyndra from competing and maybe flourishing ……….. How many states are doing what GA is doing, I can not say, but the article was an interesting read on how Republicans at least in this state in regards to the “energy industry” are picking “winners and losers”

Of course we can speak of the Chinese as usual undercutting but I will attempt to only go down own or two rabbit holes not ten or so

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

Internet2 is also being underwritten by the government.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

Sinkwich ain’t gonna be happy about this…

Or this, which skewers our GOP ostriches…

Consider President Jimmy Carter’s April 18, 1977 speech. Since it was given nearly three decades ago, when many of the reporters in Bush’s White House were children, it’s understandable that they don’t remember it. But it’s inexcusable that Bush and the mainstream media (which, after all, has the ability to do research) would completely ignore it. It was the speech that established the strategic petroleum reserve, birthed the modern solar power industry, led to the insulation of millions of American homes, and established America’s first national energy policy. “With the exception of preventing war,” said Jimmy Carter, a man of peace, “this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes.”

He added: “It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century. “We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.

“We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us.” Carter bluntly pointed out that: “The most important thing about these proposals is that the alternative may be a national catastrophe. Further delay can affect our strength and our power as a nation.” He called the new energy policy he was proposing, “[T]he ‘moral equivalent of war’ — except that we will be uniting our efforts to build and not destroy.”

I realize that the cons did not listen then and they sure as hell aren’t going to now, but for those who seek the counsel of men wiser than themselves…

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/carter-energy/

JohnnyReb

April 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

Jay, you state our military missions help ensure oil flow from the mid-East. I don’t disagree, but with that in mind, and the Left wanting to drastically cut military funding, how does the different factions within the Democratic party agree on less domestic drilling and no to the pipeline?

Paul

April 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

We’ve got the money. It’s in the DoD budget. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency has been massively investing for several years.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
5:34 pm

Every VC out there will tell you that they have to place a lot of bets to get their desired payback, because 19 out of 20 of those bets will be losing bets. But that one that pays off will be huge.

ByteMe–The problem with the Solyndra deal wasn’t their lack of commercial success. As you noted, we should expect a fairly high rate of failure–in fact 100% until someone makes a breakthrough. The problem with Solyndra was all the political shenanigans surrounding the loans. From Wiki: “The company reportedly spent nearly $1.8 million on lobbying during the period the loan guarantee was under review. Tim Harris, the CEO of Solopower, a different solar panel company which had obtained a $197 million loan guarantee, told the New York Times that his company had never considered spending any money on lobbying, and that “It was made clear to us early in the process that that was clearly verboten… We were told that it was not only not helpful but it was not acceptable.”

Aquagirl

April 9th, 2012
5:35 pm

Jay: might as well ask ty about going to the moon

Or nuclear power…another one of those big gubmint programs, brought to you by gubmint scientists, some of them furriner immigrants! Thank God the U.S. isn’t like that any more…or more precisely thank you, Republicans and teanuts.

If private innerprize can’t do the job with white Americans who can trace their ancestry back to the Mayflower, it’s just Not ‘Merican.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
5:39 pm

Good to see Bruno’s views on lobbying recorded here. Time to bookmark this thread. :D

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
5:40 pm

Jam

How was the weekend? Hope you enjoyed the nice weather

Apologize for not asking earlier today

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:40 pm

The company reportedly spent nearly $1.8 million on lobbying during the period the loan guarantee was under review.

Not quite accurate. See here:

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/183703-solyndras-lobbying-not-disclosed-under-stimulus-guidelines

No direct contacts within the DoE were reported. Seems they lobbied Congress instead.

pogo

April 9th, 2012
5:40 pm

OK Jay, I will take the bait and say that algae based fuel can work. But if it is indeed viable, then it will soon not need taxpayer dollars to back it up. As this country is now so far in debt and is in fact broke, taxpayer money only goes so far and if algae is indeed viable economically, then it will be able to compete and exist on the open energy market like everything else. If it cannot, then it should fail. The real problem as I see it is that your president wants to placate the environmentalists by giving federal money that we don’t have to these programs based soley upon politics and not their long term survivability. I mean, some day algae farms in the South America or Indonesia or somewhere else may just make algae based fuel way cheaper than it can be made here in America and once again the American consumer will take it in the butt. Our prices won’t go down, and our taxpayer dollars will still be funneled into the industry. I can almost guarantee that will happen. Kind of like Solyndra and the Chinese you know.

And Jay, you must have gotten a very large dosage of liberal kool-aid going on the Madow show. Your writing reflects it.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 9th, 2012
5:41 pm

Off to play in the garden… have a good evening all.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
5:41 pm

Crony Capitalism and political paybacks like Citizens United?

Like the trillions given away every decade to BIG Finance, BIG Utilities, BIG Telecom, BIG Oil, BIG Pharma, BIG Aerospace and Defense, BIG Insurance Conglomerates, BIG Farming Operations, BIG Retail & Wholesale, BIG IT, BIG Food, Beverages & Tobacco, BIG Chemicals, BIG Healthcare and BIG Manufacturing?

That crony capitalism?

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
5:42 pm

I realize that the cons did not listen then and they sure as hell aren’t going to now, but for those who seek the counsel of men wiser than themselves…

Didn’t Jimmy Carter’s Global 2000 study also predict that we would be almost out of oil by the year 2000??

http://books.google.com/books?id=UEGPFXrScoIC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=jimmy+carter+prediction+no+oil+by+year+2000&source=bl&ots=9o2ORvCVtU&sig=r9j6hLe_FPyggBbbTYfX3S0565s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1FaDT5b0HpSw8AS44qzdBw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Apparently liberalism and pessimism have been bedfellows for many years now.

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
5:44 pm

Yes, it’s exactly what we need. Millions more dollars of guaranteed loans to these companies who then turn around and give their officers huge bonuses right before they go bankrupt…. but hey, it worked for the solar and wind industries :rolleyes:

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
5:45 pm

Bruno — “Didn’t Jimmy Carter’s Global 2000 study also predict that we would be almost out of oil by the year 2000??”

There are many predictions out there regarding that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

Paul

April 9th, 2012
5:46 pm

Stephenson Billings

So you are saying there’s huge waste and incompetence in program management in the Dept of Defense and their budget can be significantly cut without compromising national security?

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
5:46 pm

I just want to know why it’s the government’s job to pick winners (and losers).

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
5:47 pm

Who’s talking about the defense industry?

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
5:48 pm

BOTH, thanks for asking.

Not a religious guy, bur fairly spiritual, so I stayed away from Jay’s blog and contemplated my navel. (grin) Also spent some time with dear friends that I hadn’t seen in too long.

Hope yours was equally fine…

Layin’ on my back
In the newly mown grass
Rain is coming down
But I know the clouds will pass
You bring me tea
Say “the babe’s a-sleepin’”
Lay down beside me
Love ain’t for keeping

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3JTQoXZygc

Adam

April 9th, 2012
5:48 pm

That’s a nice bait headline :lol:

Matti

April 9th, 2012
5:49 pm

Mr. Billings,

I suppose you didn’t hear about China’s role in that, did you? Hmmm… guess not. Bless your heart!

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
5:51 pm

Jam
Weekend was great. Spent time with the gf on Saturday then she and I went down to my sister’s south of the city and hung out yesterday…………..

Great WHO selection………… they were great

Paul

April 9th, 2012
5:52 pm

Stephenson Billings

Read the second post and my 5:32.

GT

April 9th, 2012
5:54 pm

If you invent an alternative fuel not only is the country’s security improved over night, but the oil companies would be shut down over night. Like pay telephones only bigger oil would no longer be a part of our economy or the world’s. Which industry has the largest to invest in alternative, and that same industry has the most to loose. It would not be a stretch to think some of this contrary thinking is sponsored by the oil industry, the same one that tells us all is forgiven on the Gulf Coast, similar to the cigarette campaign that had many smoking and thinking it was not so unhealthy much longer that the unknown facts dictated them to quit. This is where America buys the sizzle and not the meat. Car, cigarette, alcohol, and thousands of other things have purposely tried, in many times, clandestine campaigns to let Americans die for the benefit of stockholder’s profit. This is why this corrupt system could not be trusted in such an endeavor. They would either horde it from the market to make other products sell better or be like the drug company and now the oil companies and squeeze the last oz. of blood out of the American economy with the endorsement of the Republican Party. Why not let the national defense be run by the private sector? Because that same Las Vegas guy trying to buy the election for a Newt Gingrich now owns the arm services and thus owns the country and maybe, in a Hitler case, the world. Why is the arm forces any different from energy when it falls in the wrong hands.

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
5:54 pm

China? Sure. I mean, they’re part of the reason we don’t have much of a manufacturing or export base in the US anymore. And the reason we can buy our iPads so cheap. All the more reason it was a bad idea to throw taxpayer money down those rat holes.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
5:54 pm

Jam

“See some old friends, good for the soul …” Great lyrics and oh so true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zunyXjzJLp0

rightwing troll

April 9th, 2012
5:55 pm

I’m all for drug testing those who are on public assistance… There’s no such thing as a free lunch, and why should there be??? If you have to pee in a cup for the right trade you time for money, why is it wrong to ask that of those asking for money for nothing?

It may be problematic paying for it, but it would probably save money in the long run.

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
5:56 pm

I know I’m stupid but…………

I’d rather “invest” that money on an alternative fuel source that didn’t involve the burning of “oil” of any type. Something cleaner. Not to tie into the “debate” downstairs, but I think it wouldn’t hurt to do all we can to eradicate as much “carbon footprint” as possible……….

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
5:59 pm

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
5:46 pm

I just want to know why it’s the government’s job to pick winners (and losers).
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Boy howdy, you are tearing it up with your Rush Limbaugh bumper sticker talk. You’re like 4 for 4 so far.

Got an ORIGINAL comments or thoughts to add?

How about Newt’s paln on $2.50 a gallon gas……….

rightwing troll

April 9th, 2012
5:59 pm

I don’t know if this algae stuff is viable, but I’d rather my government spend money on a problem like finding alternative fuels, than a lot of the crap it currently spends money on.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
5:59 pm

If you invent an alternative fuel not only is the country’s security improved over night, but the oil companies would be shut down over night.

As I asked DF below, GT, can we just snap our fingers and produce “alternative energy” out of thin air?? Can we simply will solutions into existence?? Isn’t new energy production subject to the same economic pressures that any new technology faces??

Per your “conspiracy theories”, give me a break. Whoever patents an energy extraction process which costs less than burning oil is going to be the richest person alive. He’ll be able to hire Bill Gates to clean his bathrooms.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
6:01 pm

R. Troll — “If you have to pee in a cup for the right trade you time for money, why is it wrong to ask that of those asking for money for nothing? It may be problematic paying for it, but it would probably save money in the long run.”

Sounds great; let’s make oil company executives submit to urinalysis on demand, too. After all, they’re getting WAY more money than citizens on public assistance are.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:02 pm

“He’ll be able to hire Bill Gates to clean his bathrooms”

that’s for sure

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
6:05 pm

Fred – I sure do. But I see you don’t have any original “insults”

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
6:06 pm

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
6:06 pm

I will say trying to get petroleum from algae is a heck of a better idea than turning our food into ethanol.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 9th, 2012
6:07 pm

Well, they can have their algae. It’s so . . . so slimy. Anyway, I want my oil in a nice quart can where I can pour it into the engine block without getting slime all over my hands. Ewwwww! And if they want algae they can just come right up here to Simpsons Trailer Park and get truckloads of it from a pond below the woods behind the trailers. Even frogs have more self-respect than to live there.

What will they think of next? I say Drill Here, Drill Now! Let’s put a oil well in every back yard and get real oil, not slime. That won’t hurt nobody. It’s a little noisy at first but after awhile you forget the well’s even there. And you get a nice check besides. I know they put a cell phone tower on Elliot Boggess’s farm and they pay him $400 every month just for letting it stay there. Hard to tell what the oil cos. would pay to have you let a oil derrick stay in your back yard.

Have a good night everybody.

Adam

April 9th, 2012
6:07 pm

If you have to pee in a cup for the right trade you time for money, why is it wrong to ask that of those asking for money for nothing?

You know what? You’re right. Let’s drug test a percentage of the welfare recipients based on the percentage of people who have to get drug tested to get a job. Would that work for you?

Gordon

April 9th, 2012
6:07 pm

Natural Gas is the obvious viable alternative at this point.

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
6:08 pm

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
6:05 pm

Fred – I sure do. But I see you don’t have any original “insults”
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Stating the truth is an “insult?” how? I already heard the originals of your bumper stickers slogans, I’m curious to hear what YOU have to say on the matter.

So far it has been a sum total of nothing.

Adam

April 9th, 2012
6:10 pm

ty: the polio vaccine? yes…the internet? no.

Oh of course not, not knowing what we know now. I mean the Arab Spring and the Occupy Movement used the internet to get their message out and coordinate. Can’t be havin’ that! SOCIALISM!

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
6:10 pm

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
6:06 pm

I will say trying to get petroleum from algae is a heck of a better idea than turning our food into ethanol.
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See? There ya go. Thanks. Why is one method different than the other?

Not being a smart ass, I really don’t know. Until you stated it like that I never thought of it. If we already have the one technology what’s the advantage of spending money on the algae?

barking frog

April 9th, 2012
6:11 pm

Algae may be the origin
of the oil we’re pumping
now. To me it makes
more sense than rotting
plants and dinosaurs. If
we must pay exorbitant
prices for oil I would
prefer it be renewable
and ours. I forgot, it
would go on the world
market like our oil does
now.

Logical Dude

April 9th, 2012
6:11 pm

rightwing troll: If you have to pee in a cup for the right trade you time for money, why is it wrong to ask that of those asking for money for nothing?

Yep, ANY COMPANY who gets tax credits? PEE IN A CUP.
Any lobbyist getting a kickback? PEE IN A CUP.
Anyone on the payroll of government? PEEEE INNNN AAAA CUP!!!!!!!

If those who can actually pay for it kick in, it will be a huge moneymaker for the state. HUUUUGGEEE.

GT

April 9th, 2012
6:12 pm

rightwing troll exactly how would it save money? Problematic doesn’t cover the word needed. What if you catch a few million taking drugs what are you going to do with them? Lock em up because if you don’t now you will later, if you cut off the public assistance, and have you looked at the cost of locking up people in America. It is so expensive we are now letting people out early, trying to figure out who is violet and who have to be locked up and that is mostly just dealers, now we are going to put the whole population they sell to in jail. Not at first but when a woman can’t feed herself or her family eventually you are going to have to kill her or put her in jail.

This has been the rightwing response to everything, jail it or go to war or kill it. A large reason we are in this economic condition is because of this knee jerk reaction with no thought involved. These hot air politicians back themselves in a corner to satisfy a dull minded voter, simple answers cure everything. Actions equal results and the results are not the easy answer the right is trying for, at least I hope not.

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:13 pm

Logical Dude

April 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

Now what the heck are they feeding these algae in the first place to make them poop oil?

CO2. Algae take light energy to convert CO2 to hydrocarbons. A little fertilizer would probably be helpful to supply the other necessary elements but CO2 is the major component.

Jay, it’s still carbon based but it’s not fossilized carbon so it would merely be part of the natural carbon cycle and shouldn’t increase atmospheric carbon the way fossil fuels do.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:15 pm

getalife

April 9th, 2012
6:15 pm

Looks like an investment opportunity.

We need a green energy bubble and repair infrastructure instead of occupations on the credit card.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:16 pm

Whenever I mow the grass, it takes me back to Kansas and that sweet smell.

And memories of songs like this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UhResTVZ6s

Logical Dude

April 9th, 2012
6:16 pm

Don’t Forget, CO2. Algae take light energy to convert CO2 to hydrocarbons.

Dadgum biochemists. Ain’t rocket scientists, but they’re getting close. ;)

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
6:16 pm

‘Why is one method different than the other?”

Well for one, the increase in ethanol production, mostly from corn (and subsidized by the gov’t), resulted in higher feed prices which increased the cost of foodstuffs due to the decreased supply of said corn. Ethanol also combusts less efficiently than gasoline so while the cost per gallon may be less, you actually end up buying more (particularly in the “flex fuel” vehicles).

F. Sinkwich

April 9th, 2012
6:17 pm

“Not when you consider the hundreds of billions of dollars that we ship overseas every year to buy naturally occurring petroleum.”

Good point, Jay. One wonders why we don’t develop our own. Oh yeah, O’bozo!

After driving around town this morning enjoying the beautiful day, the family truckster needed another fill-up. The local Kroger Fuel (of the past) Center was my choice. Less than a Benjamin this time! $99.91! Did have a few gallons left in the ol’ tank-a-roo before the fill though.

While the nozzle was doing its thing, I talked to the kid behind the window about the potential of algae. The looked at me like I had three eyes. Sort of the look O’bozo is going to get when he tells Mr. and Mrs. Middle-America how wonderful his energy strategy is, and how they should be prepared for $10 gas because it’s good for the planet.

You lib ilks have some work to do on messaging. Them dags ain’t gonna buy that dog food.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
6:17 pm

Jay, it’s still carbon based but it’s not fossilized carbon so it would merely be part of the natural carbon cycle and shouldn’t increase atmospheric carbon the way fossil fuels do.

Not following you here, DF. Are the byproducts of burning algae based petro different from those of a fossil based origin??

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
6:19 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “After driving around town this morning enjoying the beautiful day, the family truckster needed another fill-up. The local Kroger Fuel (of the past) Center was my choice. Less than a Benjamin this time! $99.91! Did have a few gallons left in the ol’ tank-a-roo before the fill though.”

I love how it’s President Obama’s fault that Fishy had to drop a C-note for a fill-up. Like the President somehow MADE him buy a big, honkin’ truck. (laughing) :D

getalife

April 9th, 2012
6:20 pm

Buy a Volt filky.

Paul

April 9th, 2012
6:20 pm

F. Sinkwich

“Sort of the look O’bozo is going to get when he tells Mr. and Mrs. Middle-America how wonderful his energy strategy is, ”

Maybe he should have that lib ilk who’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff give the speech so the cons can tell everyone how he lies.

Rep Ryan tried that and apologized a day later.

Oh, and anyone who asks the kid at the Kroger gas station for advice on energy policy……

I know, I know, you were just looking for an audience who’d agree with you when you said “Obozo.”

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:22 pm

“While the nozzle was doing its thing, I talked to the kid behind the window about the potential of algae. The looked at me like I had three eyes.”

No offense to the kid at Kroger because he might grow up to do great things. With that said, I’m going to venture that he wasn’t a scientist working for BIG OIL who has hundreds of millions invested in what? ALGAE

getalife

April 9th, 2012
6:22 pm

Poor kid had to put up with filky.

Jay

April 9th, 2012
6:22 pm

Bruno:

Burning carbon-based fuels takes carbon that has been buried beneath the earth for millenia and releases it into the atmosphere, adding to atmospheric concentrations.

Algae, in contrast, remove C02 from the atmosphere.

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
6:24 pm

A couple problem I see here. 1: It goes against the moratorium that Democrats can purchase stock in the oil industry. 2: It goes against the Democrats in that it might crreate a job in the oil industry which has been forbidden.

If this is going to have any chance we need to get some Republicans working on it right away.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:24 pm

Paul @ 6:20

A kid at Kroger agrees. hahahahahahaha………. Even though it was a captive audience. Ole Sinkwich chalked it up to his charisma and has been on cloud 9 all day……

Good for you, Sinkwich

hahahahahahahaha

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:24 pm

As I asked DF below, GT, can we just snap our fingers and produce “alternative energy” out of thin air?? Can we simply will solutions into existence?? Isn’t new energy production subject to the same economic pressures that any new technology faces??

good timing, I was just getting ready to answer that, lol. I believe in the market but the energy market is unique in that the benefits of the new technology are enjoyed by society and NOT by the individual consumer. Every new technology I can think of is more expensive than the existing technology initially. But the consumers who pay that high price get the benefit of the technology. Buy the newest processer and you get a faster computer, be the first to get an Iphone, DVD player, plasma TV and on and on and you pay more but you enjoy the benefit. After a while the price comes down due to improvements in process, design and mass production. Not true of alternative energy. Put solar panels on your house and the energy you get is no different than if it came from a coal fired plant. That is why it is taking so long to get this stuff going. The consumer may get a warm fuzzy from doing something green but altruism doesn’t go far in a capitalist system. Would we have plasma TV’s if the picture was no better than the old CRT’s. No way.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
6:25 pm

Algae, in contrast, remove C02 from the atmosphere.

Yes, but by reburning it, that carbon goes right back into the atmosphere vs. eventually going into the ground after its death. In other words, the amount of carbon entering the atmosphere from burning is the same regardless of the source.

The only way to increase the rate of resorption of carbon is either by increasing the plant mass on earth, or by reducing the amount of carbon we burn.

GT

April 9th, 2012
6:26 pm

Bruno no more than you can win a war just by showing your teeth or clean the country of drugs yet it never seems to stop that response from the right. There is a huge need for alternative oil, there is a huge movement against it.

Conspiracy flashed in my mind with the death of Wallace yesterday and the tobacco company or the class action suit won because an auto maker purposely left a gas tank on a car that exploded after they knew better. Sometimes conspiracy happens without the conspirators even knowing they are involved in a conspiracy. First you become afraid of ghost, then you burn the house down next door because it has ghost, other house are burned down because of the same bad information. Not one person realizes their part in the conspiracy and even the guy telling you there are ghost in the house may not realize his part, but there is a conspiracy non the less.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:27 pm

Jm

April 9th, 2012
6:27 pm

I am not a fan of government in the VC biz

That said, the payoff reward is worth someone taking the risk

Private capital in the deal makes one fell better about it

Proud to be me

April 9th, 2012
6:30 pm

How about investing in algae when the spending has been brought under control and the debt brought down!!! Shouldn’t controlling spending (and the national debt) and stopping the continued borrowing from China be top priorities! SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ethical Atheist

April 9th, 2012
6:30 pm

@Bruno – Fossil fuels are carbon stores of dead plants and animals that accumulated over hundreds of thousands of years. They are essentially an inert carbon battery that we convert to active carbon as CO2 thus increasing the carbon on our active ecosystem. If algae take CO2 out of the air and then we return it to the air through combusion it’s an essentially carbon neutral exchange.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
6:30 pm

DF–Good points about consumer behavior in your 6:24. At some point, however, the price graphs will cross and the “alternative” energy sources will be cheaper. The price of solar panels has already dropped dramatically while the quality has risen steadily. Should be just a matter of time.

P.S. Thank God I sold my JASO stock when I did.

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
6:31 pm

Jm – I mostly agree….. but then again, according to Obama, the “private market” (ie, capitalism) has never worked here in the US :rolleyes:

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:32 pm

Bruno
Yes, but by reburning it, that carbon goes right back into the atmosphere vs. eventually going into the ground after its death. In other words, the amount of carbon entering the atmosphere from burning is the same regardless of the source.

Not true. It would not go into the earth it would decompose. Same thing with leaves or firewood. It makes no difference if you burn them or let them rot in terms of atmospheric carbon. No net gain or loss of atmospheric carbon.

Peadawg

April 9th, 2012
6:32 pm

**ALERT**

NOBODY CAN CLEAN THEIR FISH TANKS.

You may be sitting on a gold mine!

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
6:32 pm

Thanks Mr. billings.

Myanmar Sheere

April 9th, 2012
6:32 pm

Gas prices up.
Employment down.
Idiots to blame,
For electing this clown.

Burma Shave

Jay

April 9th, 2012
6:33 pm

but then again, according to Obama, the “private market” (ie, capitalism) has never worked here in the US

When did he say that, or anything like that, Mr. Billings?

Proud to be me

April 9th, 2012
6:33 pm

Comparing government investing in algae farming with investing in a vaccine for polio is ridiculous!! There is no comparison. There was a polio epidemic — big, big difference!!! Save the government investment in algae farming for a time when our economy is in a better position to do so!!!

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:34 pm

“The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun.” ~Ralph Nader

bman

April 9th, 2012
6:34 pm

less than 200 million raised from private investment firms? Why would they pass on this?

Peadawg

April 9th, 2012
6:35 pm

“Save the government investment in algae farming for a time when our economy is in a better position to do so!!!”

^^This^^^

We need worry about paying down our debt. Kind of a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don’t scenario.

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
6:35 pm

roud to be me

April 9th, 2012
6:30 pm

How about investing in algae when the spending has been brought under control and the debt brought down!!! Shouldn’t controlling spending (and the national debt) and stopping the continued borrowing from China be top priorities!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Who is borrowing from China? I’m not. Are you? The US sure as hell isn’t. What are you talking about? Do you even know?

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
6:36 pm

If algae take CO2 out of the air and then we return it to the air through combusion it’s an essentially carbon neutral exchange.

I follow you, EA, DF and Jay, but you’re overlooking the obvious. The algae will be taking CO2 from the air while we are burning the fossil fuels just the same. In that way, it’s an “essentially carbon neutral exchange” already. The two events aren’t necessarily connected. As I stated above, we can increase carbon resorption only by increasing the total mass of plants. If growing more algae can accomplish that, then we don’t even need to worry about reburning it later. It will have served its purpose.

GT

April 9th, 2012
6:37 pm

That is part of the conspiracy we speak of. “Capitalism has never worked here in the US “. Somebody is leaving here with that information in their head. Ghost are now in the house next door.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:38 pm

Save the government investment in algae farming for a time when our economy is in a better position to do so!!!

The same mantra the cons used when James Earl Carter was president.

NOT NOW! We can’t afford it!

Newsflash! There has never been and there will never be a good time for you Republicans to move off of square one.

Progress is not what you do; you fight it every step of the way…

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:38 pm

bman

Go look up Exxon, BP, Shell, etc, etc and their algae investments and research

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:38 pm

At some point, however, the price graphs will cross and the “alternative” energy sources will be cheaper. The price of solar panels has already dropped dramatically while the quality has risen steadily. Should be just a matter of time.

Yeah, but it’s been painfully slow. We’ve been hurt by fluctuating oil prices since the arab oil embargo of the early 70’s. Forty years to solve a problem sucks by any measure. Just think of all the things we’ve done in much less time.

Beverly Fraud

April 9th, 2012
6:38 pm

$105 million? That’s about the cost of two Leon Panetta flights, or a Nancy Pelosi bar tab on one of her flights isn’t it?

Well worth the risk considering. And you can bet it’s about a fraction of the costs that Big Oil will spend to squash it if it shows even the remotest possibility of viability.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
6:39 pm

It would not go into the earth it would decompose. Same thing with leaves or firewood. It makes no difference if you burn them or let them rot in terms of atmospheric carbon. No net gain or loss of atmospheric carbon.

Then were do “fossil fuels” come from in the first place, if not from decayed plants??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:40 pm

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:38 pm

bman

Go look up Exxon, BP, Shell, etc, etc and their algae investments and research

I’m a skeptic on this one and suspect it’s just PR. Heard an estimate that there are 1 trillion barrels of known oil. At a minimum of $100 a barrel that’s enough to buy the whole dang country. Why would they mess that up?

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 9th, 2012
6:42 pm

I find it truly laughable that those who would burn Obama in effigy (mentally, at least) for not expressing “American Exceptionalism” are some of the same people here who appear totally squeamish about America doing what it does best, which is push technology forward better and faster than anybody else.

Any cursory study of history will find government financing behind some of our society’s greatest technological advances and achievements. Before some of the anti-government righties have a Grand Mal, I’m not saying that government has to do everything. What I am saying is that the private sector will not push advances to the extent that government would because of the potential for more money lost than gained in the short term. Once something shows viability, the private sector would then rush to put money into that technology. Until it gets to that viability stage, money would be hard to come by.

As to the algae, I am all for searching for whatever it takes for us to disconnect ourselves from foreign oil as much as possible. We already have potential bridge fuel sources in natural gas and/or hydrogen. The only thing keeping us from taking that next step forward in true American fashion are those who are too scared to push the envelope again under the guise of whatever the gripe of the day is, whether it’s the debt or tree huggers or whatever…

getalife

April 9th, 2012
6:42 pm

Round two.

The President attacks willard’s swiss bank accounts.

What is willard hiding?

F. Sinkwich

April 9th, 2012
6:43 pm

Anyone who quotes Ralph Nader as an oracle of wisdom has serious mental deficiencies, so much so immediate psychiatric attention is required.

I say this as a friend.

Get help.

Now.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:44 pm

Don’t Forget

They are invested…….. To the tunes of 100s of millions

I know that isn’t their entire research budget, but 100s of millions is a lot of money for any company

They are not going to be left out…….. Granted they want to make as much as possible on their fossil fuel investments, but in the end they wont be left without out of the game

Stephenson Billings

April 9th, 2012
6:45 pm

getalife

April 9th, 2012
6:46 pm

I don’t think filky should give advice about sanity.

Jay

April 9th, 2012
6:47 pm

Brosephus, I think you misunderstand.

You see, American exceptionalism is something to be celebrated, but not practiced.

For example, it was American exceptionalism to claim that we would never stoop to torture, because we were better than that. But when the time came, it turned out to be something that we just said; we didn’t really mean it.

Likewise, American exceptionalism requires that we claim to have the best health-care system in the world. It doesn’t mean that we actually HAVE the best health-care system, or even the fifth-best, or even the 23rd best.

Do you get the distinction now?

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
6:48 pm

F. Sinkwich

April 9th, 2012
6:43 pm

Anyone who quotes Ralph Nader as an oracle of wisdom has serious mental deficiencies, so much so immediate psychiatric attention is required.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL I thought the same thing when I read that quote and it’s source. But then again, even a blind squirrel gets an acorn every now and again. As such Nader nailed it that time………….

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:48 pm

Bruno,
Most coal came from plant material before bacteria had the ability to break down plant cell walls so no oxidation of the material. For oil, I know that some of it came from diatoms and other small aquatic creatures that sunk to the bottom of the ocean where they were not exposed to oxidation partly due to lower O2 levels and partly due to being covered up continuously. I’m sure there are other pathways but the common thread is no oxidation and sequestration. Then we dig it up or pump it up and burn it, a redox reaction.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:49 pm

“Anyone who quotes Ralph Nader as an oracle of wisdom has serious mental deficiencies, so much so immediate psychiatric attention is required. ”

Speaking of wisdom……… not sure if pinning up the guy at the cash register at Kroger to speak about algae as potential fuel would have anyone calling you Einstein…….

Sinkwich……… you are one funny dude

Thanks for your blogs

getalife

April 9th, 2012
6:49 pm

What is willard’s position on energy policy?

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
6:49 pm

Gee Jay, don’t you think the moon as the 51st state is a safer bet than algae?

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:50 pm

Billings that was beautiful!

It is exceeding rare that I see someone step right in their own crap like you just did, and then hold it up for everyone to see!

Hysterical, man…

Paul

April 9th, 2012
6:51 pm

Sinkwich

“Anyone who quotes Ralph Nader as an oracle of wisdom has serious mental deficiencies, so much so immediate psychiatric attention is required. ”

You may want to lay off that line of attack for a couple of days, following so closely as it does on your quoting the Kroger gas station teenage attendant as someone wise enough to agree with your observations…..

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
6:52 pm

As per volume of algae required, this stat is from Wiki:

“Consumption is currently around 84 million barrels (13.4×106 m3) per day, or 4.9 km3 per year. Which in turn yields a remaining oil supply of only about 120 years, if current demand remain static.”

If I’m doing my math correctly, 4.9 cubic kilometers equals a little more than 1 cubic mile. Is that all the oil we’re burning per year?? I must be making an error here.

godless heathen

April 9th, 2012
6:52 pm

Just something else to screw up my weed eater and chainsaw engines.

And won’t this algae oil just be sold on the world market like locally produced oil, and we are continually told here that supply has nothing to do with the price of oil on the world market. So the Arabs will drop their crude price to $84 per barrel until the algae oil companies go broke and then they’ll have us over the barrel again.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:53 pm

I see that JB took down my 6:47. Probably a good call, Jay…(But it was damn funny.)

12, tell that to the United States Navy.

While it may sound far-fetched, the U.S. Navy in September ordered more than 150,000 gallons of ship and jet fuel from Solazyme and the company received a $21.8 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy last year to build a new refinery in Riverside, Penn., to help push production to commercial levels.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-military-boosts-its-use-algae-based-fuels

bman

April 9th, 2012
6:53 pm

TBS .. .. I’ve seen this before. As soon as these guys burn through their funding (and they will), they will prbably fail. I’m not saying it will never work. I’m saying that it would take billions and billions of funding and 20 years …(a guess)

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:53 pm

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:44 pm

Don’t Forget

They are invested…….. To the tunes of 100s of millions

Dude, drop in the bucket. How much do we give them in subsidies? How much do they spend on oil exploration? How does that compare to annual profits? If anything they are just preparing in case someone does figure this out so they can keep it ‘in the family”.

Aquagirl

April 9th, 2012
6:53 pm

Anyone who quotes Ralph Nader as an oracle of wisdom has serious mental deficiencies

…sez the guy citing opinions from a bored gas station attendant.

Beverly Fraud

April 9th, 2012
6:54 pm

But Jay, you’re discounting how exceptional Dick Cheney was at telling congressmen to “shut your $#$%! mouth”.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:54 pm

Demented as it is, I can see Frankie’s point.

After all, it was him and not Mr. Nader, who was voted as one of the 100 most important Americans of the last century…

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:54 pm

Paul @ 6:51

He even looked at Sinkwich like he had three eyes. Sinkwich failed to mention that he was looking at him like that because he wasn’t into the conversation and there was only 10 other people waiting to pay…….. outside of that rare charisma had that kid glued to to his every word

Ethical Atheist

April 9th, 2012
6:54 pm

@Bruno – You still miss the key difference. Carbon in fossil fuels is essentially inert carbon that is not contributing to greenhouse gas driven climate change or carbon based pollution. When it is combusted it does contribute to both of those because it adds carbon to the system in an active form not the inert form it was stored in. If algae takes CO2 out of the air, converts it to hydrocarbon chains, and then we combust it – we have not increased the amount of active carbon.

If we replace carbon adding fossil fuels with carbon neutral hydrocarbons its a vast difference. This would then allow plants to scrub CO2 out of the air and other processes that convert active carbon gases to more stable or inert forms that do not affect the climate.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
6:55 pm

What is willard’s position on energy policy?

What day of the week is it, getalife?

Poor Flip, no love at all. But he’s brought in on himself in Faustian fashion…

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 9th, 2012
6:56 pm

And won’t this algae oil just be sold on the world market like locally produced oil

It all depends on how you set it up. If you make it so that it can only be sold domestically, the algage source could be used to offset imports to make us more self sufficient. Given the lust for money that our private sector has though, I doubt anything like that would ever work. They’re gonna sell to the highest bidder, even if that leaves us high and dry.

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
6:56 pm

Bruno,
Well, a kilometer is 0.6 miles so I’d say you miscalculated. At least at that step.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:56 pm

DF

We will just have to disagree on that issue……. 100s of millions is tons of money for ANY company………… Losing it on investments, poor management, etc is one thing, but I doubt they are going into it saying this is our “secret” we really do not want to do anything with it…………..

Time will tell

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
6:58 pm

“….. raw charisma……..”

My bad….. but in Sinkwich’s case it could have been “rare charisma”

hahahahaha

Jay

April 9th, 2012
6:58 pm

F. Sinkwich

April 9th, 2012
7:00 pm

“You may want to lay off that line of attack for a couple of days, following so closely as it does on your quoting the Kroger gas station teenage attendant as someone wise enough to agree with your observations…..”

Thanks for your input.

He is old enough to vote. He not be an Ivy League graduate, but he is smart enough to know BS when he hears it. He probably believed all that Hope and Change stuff back in the day, but he has some real life experience now.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:00 pm

I’m sure there are other pathways but the common thread is no oxidation and sequestration. Then we dig it up or pump it up and burn it, a redox reaction.

My point, DF, is that this carbon “removal” process continues into the present day. I can see, however, how the short-term balance of atmospheric carbon would be improved if you’re claiming that the majority of the carbon in the dead plant is going to end up in the atmosphere anyway. Extracting the energy from it would only be a bonus, no “extra” carbon created. Are you sure that all of the carbon from the decaying plants ends up in the atmosphere, and not the ground??

Paul

April 9th, 2012
7:02 pm

BOTH suck

“He even looked at Sinkwich like he had three eyes.”

You saying some people live in the Twilight Zone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gx6Yrx8xMQ&list=UUCwlktBGgf40LTFyV9dBciA&index=73&feature=plpp_video#t=06m49s

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:03 pm

EA @ 6:54–Once again, your carbon removal scheme is predicated upon all of the carbon from dead plants ending up back in the atmosphere anyway. Do you know that for sure??

F. Sinkwich

April 9th, 2012
7:03 pm

“Sinkwich failed to mention that he was looking at him like that because he wasn’t into the conversation and there was only 10 other people waiting to pay……”

Nope.

It’s called “pay at the pump.”

godless heathen

April 9th, 2012
7:03 pm

A cubic mile is 1.4E 10 to the 11 gallons. If we have 200M cars that’s about 736 gallons per car. That’s in the ballpark.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:05 pm

Well, a kilometer is 0.6 miles so I’d say you miscalculated. At least at that step.

Which makes a mile = 1.6 km. If you cube that, you get 1 cubic mile = 4.1 cubic kilometers.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
7:05 pm

Paul

If nothing else………. Those type posts make for great belly laughs, especially when the blogger is meaning to be serious

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
7:07 pm

“Nope.

It’s called ‘pay at the pump.’ ”

So you went out of your way to pin up the guy for this in depth energy dialogue?

hahahahaha

that makes it even more funnier

Thanks for the clarification

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:08 pm

Well, if we’re only burning a cubic mile or so of petroleum each year, that sounds replaceable to me. I’m not sure how many cubic miles of algae it would take to make 1 cubic mile of oil, but it should be doable.

godless heathen

April 9th, 2012
7:08 pm

woops. forgot to convert ft3 to gallons. 1ft3 is 7.4 gallons so it’s 5372 gallons per car. Too much I’d say.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
7:09 pm

Jam at 6:53

You are right! I’ll get on the horn and contact Gilligan. I suspect he is the project officer for this affair.
This “Top Secret” algae scientific research must be so good that OPEC has been spending all their oil profits suppressing this energy bonanza.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:11 pm

heathen–That figure is for all oil burned worldwide, not just here in the US. In addition to cars, you’ve also got jets and furnaces.

Paul

April 9th, 2012
7:11 pm

Jay’s 6:58

I read those and I thought “It’s satire. It’s gotta be satire.” Then I thought, ‘omg, it’s serious….”

F. Sinkwich

“He not be an Ivy League graduate, but he is smart enough to know BS when he hears it. ”

As I said earlier, given the vast sums the military has committed to algae for fuel. you must think the heads of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps are too stupid to know BS when they hear it.

Is that correct?

Aquagirl

April 9th, 2012
7:13 pm

So you went out of your way to pin up the guy for this in depth energy dialogue?

I think we’ve hit a nerve with Sinky.

The gas station kid will probably never vote Republican, with a guy like Sinkwich babbling at him, then climbing into his mondo vehicle with the “Nobama” stickers.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
7:14 pm

Hey Jay. Did you graduate from the University of Mars? I think this must be Martian Technology. Maybe they discovered it in the wreckage they found in Roswell. I guess we will soon be confronted by criminal ETs saying your algae or your life.

Paul

April 9th, 2012
7:15 pm

BOTH suck

“Those type posts make for great belly laughs, especially when the blogger is meaning to be serious”

The blog’s on a roll today -

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
7:15 pm

F. SInkiewicz — “He is old enough to vote. He not be an Ivy League graduate, but he is smart enough to know BS when he hears it.”

Thereby explaining that looking-at-you-like-you-had-three-eyes thing.

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
7:17 pm

Are you sure that all of the carbon from the decaying plants ends up in the atmosphere, and not the ground??

For all practical purposes, or at least thats what the textbooks said. It takes a while and very small amounts could get buried but nothing like it was prior to the evolution of bacteria that can break down cellulose.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
7:18 pm

JHM @ 7:15

that was hilarious……………….

I about fell off the couch…………..

hahahahahahahaha

LOL

bman

April 9th, 2012
7:18 pm

filler up with with 5 gallons of oilgae…and don’t forget the windows

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
7:20 pm

“filler up with with 5 gallons of oilgae…and don’t forget the windows”

Just wait and see how that kid at Kroger looks at you when you tell him that

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:20 pm

IMO, combustion engines are a little passe anyway. Maybe one day we’ll have an electrified road grid such that cars wouldn’t even need batteries.

Beverly Fraud

April 9th, 2012
7:21 pm

Sounds like a win/win. If you can’t sell it on the petrol market, you can always pour it over a salad, and given what Whole Foods sells stuff for, you’ll probably get at least $4 a gallon for it.

Jay

April 9th, 2012
7:21 pm

I hate to disagree, Paul, but read some of the other stuff at christwire.org … it can’t be real.

Can it?

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
7:23 pm

Maybe we should ask Amy Carter what she thinks…

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
7:24 pm

Gilligan was in the US Navy?

12, you really have lived a sheltered life.

You don’t gas up at the same place Frank does, do you?

SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., March 14 (UPI) — The U.S. Navy announced it ran successful tests on a new shipboard fuel blending petroleum and renewable marine diesel derived from algae.

Navy frigate USS Ford sailed from its home port in Everett, Wash., to San Diego with 25,000 gallons of the blend firing up the ship’s diesel turbines.

The algal fuel was developed by Solazyme, Inc., a renewable oil and bioproducts company, as part of a strategic defense effort seeking to reduce dependence on imported hydrocarbons.

Solazyme’s Soladiesel HRD-76, derived 100 percent from algae, was blended with petroleum F-76, the primary shipboard fuel used by the Navy, for the ship’s LM 2500 diesel turbines, Solazyme said.

Use of the 50-50 blend required no changes to the frigate’s infrastructure or the drop-in fueling pier used for the test.

You Luddites do crack me up though…

bman

April 9th, 2012
7:24 pm

TBS .. .. hahaha

Paul

April 9th, 2012
7:26 pm

Jay

You read some of your blogger’s posts and you ask if that other stuff can be serious?

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
7:27 pm

JKL2, don’t you mean Rush Limbaugh?

Your oracle has already addressed Ms. Carter’s status long ago…

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
7:27 pm

Jay @ 7:21

There are some strange articles, to say the least, on that site

Aquagirl

April 9th, 2012
7:29 pm

Just wait and see how that kid at Kroger looks at you when you tell him that

Ask if they sell tri-lens sunglasses in his establishment too. Might as well go full-on with teh crazy.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
7:29 pm

Billings is one weird hombre.

And if that stuff that Jay linked is his, it just makes him all the more weird… (And not in a good way!)

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
7:30 pm

Maybe they can mix this algae with corn and keep the price down.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
7:33 pm

Jam @ 7:24

Gilligan always wore a pulled down Dixie Cup.

redneckbluedog

April 9th, 2012
7:34 pm

The advantage to algae-based biodiesel is that can be marketed locally, without having to be put on the “international market”……It can be sold at “the co-op” alongside kerosene…..

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:36 pm

I hate to disagree, Paul, but read some of the other stuff at christwire.org … it can’t be real.

Can it?

C’mon, guys, wasn’t the figure of the guys with arrow pointed at him a giveaway?? “Loose Fitting Clothes For Quick Disrobing” ??!!??!!

I’ve been to some real religious whacko sites before, and they weren’t so obviously campy as this one.

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
7:37 pm

Both, ok to disagree, it’s just my opinion. but I do recall hearing years ago that Kodak always had a few patents on the shelf that they would hold back until their existing products reached “maturity” or the competition came up with something better than their existing products.

F. Sinkwich

April 9th, 2012
7:37 pm

“Solazyme’s Soladiesel HRD-76, derived 100 percent from algae, was blended with petroleum F-76, the primary shipboard fuel used by the Navy, for the ship’s LM 2500 diesel turbines, Solazyme said.”

What a waste of tax dollars.

The Navy needs fuel, not some eco-weenie wet dream.

Drill, baby, drill.

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
7:39 pm

jamvet- Your oracle has already addressed Ms. Carter’s status long ago…

Guess I missed that one. Maybe you could enlighten me since you’re such an avid listener.

bman

April 9th, 2012
7:39 pm

any good mining companies out there to invest in?

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
7:39 pm

12, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines now use biofuels on a regular basis.

ASTM International (formerly the American for Society for Testing and Materials) has certified the product.

You Republicans need to sell your teletypes machines and stop…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YymGJKhGgY

Paul

April 9th, 2012
7:39 pm

Bruno

I did a quick search to see if it’s real or parody.

First hit led with this.

“Someone sent me a link to ChristWire.org with the query, “Is this a joke, or am I just scarred because I know people who actually sort of think like this?”

Many bloggers can identify with that sentiment.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:42 pm

Gotta run for a while, but here’s a smooth tune that everyone can enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ennMD1fPtXA

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
7:42 pm

Another thing about algae. They have genetically engineered strains now that can break down bio waste like farm scraps in digesters so you don’t necessarily have to have light and warmth and some fuel could be produced in cooler climates during winter months.

Jay

April 9th, 2012
7:43 pm

Quite a project they’ve got going there, though.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

April 9th, 2012
7:43 pm

Just checked the christwire site. We better hope (& PRAY?!) that is not for real!

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
7:43 pm

“The advantage to algae-based biodiesel is that can be marketed locally”

Yes and it is readily available off the props of all U.S. Navy surface ships.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
7:44 pm

2, me listen to that piece of human waste?

I’m still laughing at how his advertisers have dropped him like he has the plague (Which he sorta does!) over his latest sexist slur.

Use the googly and put in the following three words – Limbaugh Amy Carter.

Even you will come up with the answer lickety split… (it’s right up there with Chelsea Clinton and Michael J. Fox.)

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
7:45 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “Drill, baby, drill.”

You do realize that any petroleum produced in the US will simply be sold on the open market, right?

You weren’t expecting our government to, like, SEIZE the produced oil and then use it for military purposes, were you? Because you know what that would be, right?

ZOMG SOSHULIZUM

Aquagirl

April 9th, 2012
7:46 pm

C’mon, guys, wasn’t the figure of the guys with arrow pointed at him a giveaway?

Anything that tells you to press your nose into a young man’s mattress and take a deep whiff—OBVIOUS parody.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
7:47 pm

Jam@7:39

I hate to say but you are right and I was wrong. It could not have been Gilligan. It had to be the Skipper (Rest His Soul) and the Professor that concocted this cutting edge tecno.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
7:47 pm

Ooops, saw this one on the last link. Two of the coolest trumpet songs since Satchmo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7dg8vRDM68&feature=related

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
7:50 pm

Bruno

Saw it as well while listening to that smooth Herb Albert

you beat me to it

two great calls

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
7:51 pm

The Air Force goal, by 2016, is to have half of the fuel that is purchased domestically to be at least a 50/50 blend of conventional and alternative fuel, Edwards said.

Another goal for the researchers and developers was to make the transition as seamless as possible. To date, there has been no additional training, equipment or maintenance required to begin using the fuel.

http://defensetech.org/2012/03/01/air-force-certifying-f-16s-to-use-biofuels/

Great topic Jay!

Jay

April 9th, 2012
7:52 pm

“How will a tax on CO2 in the UNITED STATES help with GLOBAL climate change when most CO2 i produced in China and India?’

Well, to begin with, the entire premise of the question is false. “Most CO2″ is not produced in China or India. On a per capita basis (2008 figures), the USA produces 19.3 metric tons of CO2 a year, compared to 5.3 tons for China and 1.4 for India.

If you want to count C02 emissions by nation — ignoring the fact that China and India have much larger populations — then China is No. 1 and we are No. 2.

Now, as to the question of whether we ought to pay a carbon tax, etc. The Chinese and Indians are actually quite pleased with American conservatives, because as long as we can’t get our act together, they are under no real pressure to address the issue themselves.

I don’t know what the best answer or solution is. I do know that fear of a possible solution is no reason to deny against all evidence that a problem even exists.

Admit there’s a problem, and from there we can have a reasonable, rational discussion about how to solve it.

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
7:52 pm

joe mama- You do realize that any petroleum produced in the US will simply be sold on the open market, right?

Who needs jobs when we got obama bucks…

Lyman Hall

April 9th, 2012
7:53 pm

Whatever the Feds touch……….turn to crap……………………………………….or worse.
.
It is truly pathetic seeing adults try to defend such an evil entity.
Baffling.
Throw billions of stolen tax money out there……….I shudder to think what algae might do.
We know what that polio vaccine did…..and how many kids were murdered.
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“At the time, the Wistar Institute was competing with several organizations and health centers to devise an oral alternative to the injectable polio vaccine developed by Jonas Salk. One of Wistar’s chief rivals was based at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital and was led by the legendary scientist and physician Albert Sabin.

Both groups had worked independently of each other and developed their own sets of oral polio vaccines. For each team, the stakes, scientifically and financially, were quite high. In the late 1950s, the federal government had yet to decide which vaccine to approve; such approval in the U.S. would most certainly be adopted by the rest of the world, and the creator of the vaccine would be revered.

In 1959, at the First International Conference on Live Poliovirus Vaccines, Dr. Sabin made an amazing claim that would shake the foundations of virology.5 He alleged that at least one batch of Koprowski’s vaccine had been contaminated with an unidentified simian virus, one that had nothing to do with polio virus but which, like polio, was cytopathic.

Since the unknown virus killed cells when introduced into monkey kidney tissue cultures, the inference by Sabin was that such a virus might cause similar damage when introduced into human beings. Swedish virologist Dr. Sven Gard, who had been on sabbatical at the Wistar Institute for several months before the start of the conference, spoke up in defense of the Koprowski vaccine. Dr. Gard said that he had tested the vaccine in Sweden and the United States for the presence of unknown viruses and had found nothing, seemingly putting the issue to rest.5

Sabin’s oral polio vaccine eventually won out and was approved for use in 1963, while Koprowski’s version was discontinued in April 1960.
.
AIDES.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
7:53 pm

12, I find it telling that you neocons are always going on about how you support the troops, and the lefties don’t.

Yet inevitably you right wingers here are the ones who always insult them. And the libs never do.

Interesting, huh?

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
7:56 pm

jamvet- I’m still laughing at how his advertisers have dropped him like he has the plague (Which he sorta does!) over his latest sexist slur

And thanks to you’re friends at media matters he’s even being dropped by companies that have never advertised with him. As Rush likes to say,”Demwit playbook 101: When you can’t compete in the arena of ideas, personally attack the messenger”

Jay

April 9th, 2012
7:58 pm

”Demwit playbook 101: When you can’t compete in the arena of ideas, personally attack the messenger”

As in, repeatedly attack Sandra Fluke as a slut and a whore and a prostitute for daring to want to testify before Congress?

You mean like that?

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
8:00 pm

Jam@7:53

I’m retired Navy. I do support the troops and I never said anything about Libs not supporting them.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:01 pm

JKL2 — “Who needs jobs when we got obama bucks…”

If you have a substantive reply or refutation to my post, I’m all ears.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
8:03 pm

Poor, poor, poor, misunderstood Rush Limbaugh.

After decades of his filth, perversion and malicious, unfounded personal attacks, it FINALLY comes home to bite him in his big mooching ass.

And what he does is perfect and predictable Limbaugh – he blames somebody else.

He will go away into that cold darkness, a bitter and sick old man…

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
8:04 pm

“As in, repeatedly attack Sandra Fluke as a slut and a whore and a prostitute for daring to want to testify before Congress?”

Maybe she will run for Congress.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:05 pm

”Demwit playbook 101: When you can’t compete in the arena of ideas, personally attack the messenger”

I always figured that there are flocks of sheep all over the political spectrum. The success of right wing radio tells me to some degree that there must be more sheep on the right willing to blindly stare at their radios each day only to regurgitate talking points as facts at a later time. The flocks are really just listening to a commentator providing their OPINION on news issues; yet they sell it their “flock” as if it were the truth………

To those people…….. I dedicate the tried and true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDWGKQcQ8zw

USMC

April 9th, 2012
8:05 pm

Ah yes! More Diversity from the PRESIDENT’S Pastor…

Rev. Wright Unleashed: ‘White Supremacy’ Drives ‘World Policy’…
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rev-wright-unleashes-new-racially-charged-sermons-justice-clarence-thomas-is-worshipping-some-other-god/

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
8:05 pm

Then I apologize 12. Though I stand by my assertion, as correct.

Watch your fellow cons here, they denigrate veterans – ala Mr. Limbaugh – whenever those veterans phony soldiers disagree with their politics.

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
8:06 pm

On a per capita basis (2008 figures), the USA produces 19.3 metric tons of CO2 a year, compared to 5.3 tons for China and 1.4 for India.

And you lost me right there Jay. that pesky little “per capita” thing.
US Population: 313,326,000
China Population: 1,347,350,000
India Population:1,210,193,422

How abouts showing me a figure of Carbon Emmissions of the three Countries based upon the TOTAL AREA OF LAND MASS. That would make a tiny bit more sense dontcha think?

USMC

April 9th, 2012
8:08 pm

‘Stunning lack of diversity’ in Obama’s re-election campaign… :-)
http://freebeacon.com/minority-report/

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:08 pm

“He will go away into that cold darkness, a bitter and sick old man…”

4 marriages and counting… might be some truth to that……

I’m willing to be that his ardent followers would not want someone on tv or radio to call his wife the names he calls other women
They would say that those people don’t know Rush or his wife. They would be correct, yet fail to see that Rush or them know the people that Rush degrades

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
8:10 pm

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:05 pm

”Demwit playbook 101: When you can’t compete in the arena of ideas, personally attack the messenger”

I always figured that there are flocks of sheep all over the political spectrum. The success of right wing radio tells me to some degree that there must be more sheep on the right……….
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

Don’t gloat too fast. I had a chance to listen to a little of the new left wing format today. I swear I couldn’t tell a difference between it and Limbaugh/Hannidy/Boortz……….. or from the callers. The only difference was which group was being called the asshats.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:10 pm

USMC

Was in the car early and had Hanitty on for a minute. He was all up in arms about Rev Wright

Getting close to election… time to bring out Wright, Ayers, birth certificates, Muslim innuendos……..

Same bogey men that worked so well last time

By the way……… How is it going and hpe a great weekend

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
8:11 pm

Jay- As in, repeatedly attack Sandra Fluke as a slut and a whore and a prostitute for daring to want to testify before Congress?

The media event trumped up by Nancy Pelosi after she was turned down by Congress? I can’t wait to paying for other people’s “right” to birth control. Not sure I ever heard prostitute, but slut and whore do seem to fit.

I’d be too embarrassed as a 30 year old college student asking people to buy me birth control for me, let alone testifying before “congress” about it.

Beverly Fraud

April 9th, 2012
8:11 pm

Does They BOTH suck have Lee Greenwood’s “Proud to be an American” on his IPod at this very moment?

No, because unlike Rush, he’s not a great American.

If Jesus had an IPod he would have Lee Greenwood’s “Proud to be an American” on it.

Because Jesus is a great American.

You betch ya!

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
8:12 pm

Sorry Jay, Guess I should have read the next paragraph before replying.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:12 pm

Fred

I will gloat

I didn’t say there weren’t sheep on the left……….. They come in all political stripes and I’ve said has much numerous times on here

oblama

April 9th, 2012
8:12 pm

Jayster have got a clue how FAR our science is from algae based oil? You are right – it’s silly. This coming Presidential election is about the economy, jobs and reducing the Fed deficit. I am not going to hold my breath waiting on you to discuss that as it’s Oblama’s worst nightmare. All the socialist left wants is more spending by the government on more programs. That’s not going to reduce this alarming debt.

Recon 0311 2533

April 9th, 2012
8:12 pm

It’s not that there is anything wrong with the research and where practical the development of alternative energy. What’s wrong is the federal government’s assumption that they should be in the leadership role. Time is past due for government to focus deficit spending and it is now certain that we’ll need an administration change in order to do so.

Lyman Hall

April 9th, 2012
8:12 pm

First of all we must understand the character of the National Infantile Paralysis Foundation. This is a private charity organization, the creation of Franklin D. Roosevelt, his pet charity, so to say, which grew out of his personal encounter with polio in 1921 and out of the Georgia Hot Spring Foundation founded by him. in 1927. The Polio Foundation was incorporated in 1938 and has collected funds since then through its so-called “March of Dimes” for the “fight against polio.”
,

When confronted with the high cost of the vaccine, quite a few people began to ask embarrassing questions along these lines: The research behind the development of the polio vaccine and the field tests had cost 22 million dollars, all of which had been paid by the Polio Foundation. Every penny of these 22 million dollars thus had come directly from the annual “March of Dimes.” The American people had opened up their hearts and their pocketbooks for the “fight against infantile paralysis.” More than that, in the field trials last year, involving almost two million children, parents had gone further and volunteered their children. People felt that the vaccine was theirs, that it was developed with their money and tested with their children, and that therefore polio shots should be free for everyone. However, as we have seen, the AMA and the drug companies were more concerned with fees and profits than with any “fight against infantile paralysis.”

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
8:13 pm

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:10 pm

USMC

Was in the car early and had Hanitty on for a minute. He was all up in arms about Rev Wright
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL But it’s just a “co-incidence” that USMC jumps on the blog and out of the blue starts on about Rev. Wright ………

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:13 pm

To those people…….. I dedicate the tried and true

TBS–The meaning of that song became clear to me when the girl I had a crush on in HS blew me off at our 20th HS reunion. The fact that she wasn’t looking as good made it a little easier to swallow, however. ;-)

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:14 pm

Beverly

Good one. If Lee is so proud to be an American why didn’t he elect to serve in Vietnam and “proudly stand up” next to those who were serving at that time?

He was talker and you bought into it….. that is your business and keep me out of it

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
8:14 pm

Jam@8:05

Why, thank-you.

Hey Jay. When are you going to run a blog on Ghia Pets and Pet Rocks replacing Nuc power as a viable propulsion source?

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:14 pm

Bruno @ 8:13

that is a good story

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:15 pm

How abouts showing me a figure of Carbon Emmissions of the three Countries based upon the TOTAL AREA OF LAND MASS. That would make a tiny bit more sense dontcha think?

Fred @ 8:06–Good call. China is larger than the US, but not THAT much larger from my recollection. India is comparable in size as well. I’ll have to check to see if Russia is still # 1.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
8:15 pm

“LOL But it’s just a “co-incidence” that USMC jumps on the blog and out of the blue starts on about Rev. Wright”

You mean Rev. Wrong?

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
8:16 pm

Bruno: Only YOU would think to play some Herb Albert lol.

Aquagirl

April 9th, 2012
8:16 pm

AIDES.

Such a beautiful cut n’ paste of lunacy. How sad that you failed to correctly spell your sole contribution of four letters. Kinda ruins your climatic pronouncement of horror. Also, you look utterly clueless and lacking in any thought process.

How the hell do you faceplant in only four letters? I have a begrudging admiration for your negative accomplishment. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:17 pm

Alright, here we go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_area

Russia, Antarctica, Canada, China, US are the top 5. India is much smaller than I thought at # 7.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:20 pm

JKL2 — “I’d be too embarrassed as a 30 year old college student asking people to buy me birth control for me, let alone testifying before “congress” about it.”

Good thing that’s not what happened, but don’t let pesky things like facts get in the way of a good rant.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:20 pm

FINALLY, a clean copy of one of my favorite Doobie Bros songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dTBTeoS0MA

Lyman Hall

April 9th, 2012
8:21 pm

When money is stolen, it is immoral.
No good is EVER derived from immorality.
See Washington.

[T]oday, U.S. federal health agencies admit the following two facts: (1) Salk polio vaccine released for public use between 1955 and 1963 was contaminated with SV40; and SV40 has been proven to cause cancer in animals.

Continuing, Fisher said that at a 1997 conference on SV40 and human cancers held by the National Institutes of Health which she attended, “there was no disagreement among both government and non-government scientists about these two facts.

The only disagreement was whether SV40 was actually being identified in the cancerous tumors of children and adults alive today and, if it was, whether the monkey virus was in fact responsible for their cancer. Non-government scientists working in independent labs around the world said, ‘Yes.’ But the scientists connected with the U.S. government said ‘No.’”

Fisher went on to say that “credentialed non-government scientists in multiple labs around the world continue to identify SV40 in human brain and lung cancers of children and adults and are finding that SV40 is also associated with bone cancers and Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphomas.”

Despite ongoing denials, an increasing number of researchers continue to maintain that not only is there a bona fide link between Salk’s SV40-tainted vaccines and cancer, that federal government officials and agencies responsible for ensuring the safety of such vaccines – then and now – are loathe to admit it, perhaps because they fear the fallout in terms of lawsuits and lost credibility.

But eventually there is likely to be enough evidence to force a change of heart, because based on what’s still being discovered about the link, the issue won’t go away anytime soon.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:23 pm

Aquagirl — “How the hell do you faceplant in only four letters?”

He wins at failing. :D

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:23 pm

I’m going to dedicate this Doobie Bros selection to Aquagirl just to gross her out. Not a sentimental bone in that girl’s body:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COyPUWVwhXY

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
8:23 pm

Picked up that CD in Germany back in ‘87 or ‘88 Bruno. Cd’s were relatively new and at least in Europe, they were burning the hell out of all the old stuff. I spent just about every bit of every paycheck on them.

Fred ™

April 9th, 2012
8:25 pm

Well I’m gonna kill massive ampounts of electrons. COD Black Ops here I come………..

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
8:25 pm

joe mama- If you have a substantive reply or refutation to my post, I’m all ears.

This is what happens when obama puts “lazer-like focus on job production”

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/05/27/the-costs-of-obamas-drilling-moratorium-one-year-later/

drill baby drill.

Lyman Hall

April 9th, 2012
8:26 pm

Algae?………..Barney Frank?…………Obama?……………………
I shudder.

In the November 29, 1991 issue of Science there was a brief article “Polio Vaccine Ruling”:
“A U.S. District Court judge has ruled the government liable for injuries caused over several decades by oral polio vaccine, asserting that the federal Division of Biologics Standards (DBS)—-now known as the Office of Biologics Research and Review—-violated its own regulatory standards… This case is only the latest in almost two decades of court battles over Albert Sabin’s vaccine.”

Maryland judge J. Frederick Motz wrote “…DBS officials arrogated to themselves the power to define what constituted an acceptable risk, thereby undermining the rule of law and threatening long-term public confidence in the regulatory system itself. The government cannot simply now rewrite history to retell events as it wishes they had unfolded.”

The attorney for the plaintiffs, Marc Moller, stated “…the government’s willingness to play footloose with the law whenever it was comfortable to do so would not have been exposed but for our piece of litigation.”

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
8:27 pm

joe mama- Good thing that’s not what happened, but don’t let pesky things like facts get in the way of a good rant

If you have a substantive reply or refutation to my post, I’m all ears

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:28 pm

Some great Doobs, with the late Micheal Hossack with them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxa0UbYLZw&ob=av2n

Aquagirl

April 9th, 2012
8:29 pm

just to gross her out.

Success! I only got to 1:24, where the girl is apparently consuming her own hand while sweating profusely.

Did the poor woman get one of Lyman’s evil pharma$$$utical vaccines?

Recon 0311 2533

April 9th, 2012
8:31 pm

“If you have a substantive reply or refutation to my post, I’m all ears”

Desperately searching left wing Web sites for refutation. Desperately emailing Jay for assistance.

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
8:31 pm

Well, I see Lyman Hall done got his high school diplomer since this morning and now he’s qualified to denigrate the Salk vaccine in some kind of rambling rant.

I know you’re someone other than “Lyman Hull.” I just haven’t figured out just who yet. I’m leaning toward Scout, md or one of the other “period” nuts on this blog.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:33 pm

JKL2 — “This is what happens when obama puts “lazer-like focus on job production”

“drill baby drill.”

So you have no substantive reply or refutation. Thought so.

Once again, oil produced in the US goes on the world market. It doesn’t get kept here and consumed here, despite what so many of our conservative friends and associates seem to think. Ergo, “drill baby drill” is nonsense, despite the fact that it apparently makes conservative panties wet.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:34 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:34 pm

I’m sittin’ in my room, starin’ out the window
And wonderin’ where you’ve gone
Thinking back on the happy hours just before the dawn
Outside the wind is blowin’
It seems to call your name again
Why have you gone

City streets and lonely highways
I travel now
My car is empty and the radio just seems to bring me down
I’m just tryin’ to find me
A pretty smile that I can get into
It’s true, I’m lost without you

Another lonely park, another Sunday
Why is it life turns out that way
Just when you think you got a good thing
It seems to slip away

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
8:35 pm

Scout, though, is the only one I can remember that uses that

.

in his posts. Could it be g**k-killing Scout?

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
8:35 pm

Maybe they will combine algae with a flux capacitor. Just to give it some zip.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
8:35 pm

Bruno

Always thought this was a Doobie classis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfyHVXBmPR0

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:36 pm

JKL2 — “If you have a substantive reply or refutation to my post, I’m all ears”

Not a problem. Sandra Fluke wasn’t “asking people to buy . . .birth control” for her, your colorful claim notwithstanding. Your rant is factually incorrect.

Perhaps you should inform yourself by actually reading or listening to what she *actually* said, rather than simply relying on what you’ve apparently heard she said.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:37 pm

Recon — “Desperately searching left wing Web sites for refutation. Desperately emailing Jay for assistance.”

Already done, and done from memory. You know me better than that.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 9th, 2012
8:38 pm

I’d be too embarrassed as a 30 year old college student asking people to buy me birth control for me, let alone testifying before “congress” about it.

If there is an afterlife complete with punishment for lying and spreading lies, Rush has probably singlehandedly sent hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions to eternal damnation for that single falsehood right there.

stands for decibels

April 9th, 2012
8:40 pm

If there is an afterlife complete with punishment for lying and spreading lies, Rush has probably singlehandedly sent hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions to eternal damnation for that single falsehood right there.

Yea verily. It’s one compelling reason to hope there really is a Hell, where such folk are slow-roasted for eternity.

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
8:43 pm

Hey! Wait! All you Fright-Wing creeps, don’t go run and hide! Come on out! Let’s fight it out! I’ve had a tough day, and now I’m ready to rumble! You little chicken-shyte creeps!

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
8:44 pm

joe mama- Once again, oil produced in the US goes on the world market. It doesn’t get kept here and consumed here, despite what so many of our conservative friends and associates seem to think. Ergo, “drill baby drill” is nonsense, despite the fact that it apparently makes conservative panties wet.

Yes, higher than average paying jobs make conservatives panties wet(to use your term). What do you have against putting Americans to work?

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:45 pm

Back at your 8:35, TBS. BTW, nice version from 1975 that you found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_XwMC7_uhs

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
8:45 pm

Lyman, what exactly is your point other than to prove you can cut and paste?

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
8:46 pm

Sooth@8:43

Why can’t we all just get along?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:46 pm

Recon, JKL, just to help you two out, here’s a transcript of Fluke’s testimony:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/271051_Full_Transcript_of_Sandra_Fluk

Read it all the way through and see if she asks people to buy her birth control. Hint: she doesn’t.

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
8:46 pm

Bruno, haven’t heard ol’ Herb Albert in quite a while. Really liked the first comment too, lol.

I remember

April 9th, 2012
8:47 pm

One idea ridiculed that turns out to be a great one does not therefore mean that all silly ideas are good ones. Obama is wasting billions on so called “green energy”. If there is something there, venture capital will spend invest. If not no amount of government pump priming will make a fig of difference.

Exceedingly obvious to everyone but Jay and his lefties. Maybe Rachel Madow told him. Or Al Gore.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
8:47 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:48 pm

Yea verily. It’s one compelling reason to hope there really is a Hell, where such folk are slow-roasted for eternity.

Matthew 7:1 says “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
8:48 pm

Because you Fright-Wing nutcases soil this blog with your lies-excrement. And, when you are proven to be lying, you run and hide rather than admit that what you say is just a pack of lies. That’s why we can’t all get along. Your entire lives are ruled by lies.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 9th, 2012
8:50 pm

JKL2 — “Yes, higher than average paying jobs make conservatives panties wet(to use your term). What do you have against putting Americans to work?”

Lies and misrepresentations don’t strengthen your argument, and neither does moving the goalposts.

We were discussing alternative fuel use by the military, and you rather petulantly demanded that we “drill baby drill” in order to provide them with petroleum. Your convenient shifting of the discussion to jobs is simply evidence that you, having failed in your presentation of the “drill baby drill” shibboleth, are now pivoting to jobs as your attack vector. If you’d like to know what I think about putting Americans to work, then grow up, act like an adult and ask me.

But you’ll have to wait until tomorrow for your answer, because I have a frosty beverage and a warm spouse waiting for me at home, and either one is better company than you.

Against both at one time, you don’t even stand a chance.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:51 pm

Jam @ 8:47–When I saw that one, I knew that you would be playing it so I left it alone. ;-)

Love the whole “Living On the Fault Line” album.

stands for decibels

April 9th, 2012
8:51 pm

Matthew 7:1 says “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”

Doesn’t say anything about wishin’, and hopin’.

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
8:54 pm

joe mama- Perhaps you should inform yourself by actually reading or listening to what she *actually* said, rather than simply relying on what you’ve apparently heard she said

BLUF: Somebody buy my birth control for me. I’m a 30 year old college student and we have a “right” to free birth control because some students at other schools get it.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sandra_Fluke_testimony_to_US_Congress_%282012_February_23%29

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
8:54 pm

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
8:55 pm

B, LOL.

For those either too old or too young or too whatever, it is simply impossible to state what an album cover like The Captain and Me means to some of us.

It was an absolutely magical time for music lovers.

I can only imagine how poor my life would have been had I not lived and loved and listened through those days.

And to that extent, I would never for a single moment want to have missed any of it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7xGow6I3bE&feature=relmfu

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
8:56 pm

Like I’ve said so many times before a tsunami is going to crash over the World. And, you know what, it won’t matter whether the World is ready or not.

It’s going to crash over the World anyway. It won’t matter whether you’re a Fright-Winger and believe in the “cornucopia” theory or if you’re a Left-Winger. The tsunami I’m referring to is the World running out of fossil fuels.

When might that happen? Some say in as little as 20 years. I say that long before that happens, the World will experience terrible upheaval from hoarding and panic.

Let me ask you this: what if when you went to the corner gas station, there wasn’t any gas? What would you do?

Well, heck, there’s always gonna be gas at the corner gas station — isn’t there?

You bloggers are so naive, you just wander through life without a care in the World. Never a worry about the future. Just give me my giant SUV and my monster pick ‘em up truck.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
8:58 pm

Sooth, “If Thine Eyes Offend Thee – Pluck Them Out”.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
9:00 pm

JKL2

April 9th, 2012
9:00 pm

joe mama- We were discussing alternative fuel use by the military, and you rather petulantly demanded that we “drill baby drill” in order to provide them with petroleum. Your convenient shifting of the discussion to jobs is simply evidence that you, having failed in your presentation of the “drill baby drill” shibboleth, are now pivoting to jobs as your attack vector. If you’d like to know what I think about putting Americans to work, then grow up, act like an adult and ask me

Just say you got nothing. It’s OK.

If you want to reference my “moving goalposts” please show me where I have said ANYTHING that did not talk about job production.

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
9:04 pm

Orange Juice: if I were to call you an idiot, then Jay would ban me. So, I won’t call you an idiot. Even though every fiber of my being wants to call you an idiot, I won’t because Jay would ban me.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
9:04 pm

B, thatWheels of Fortune is one wicked combo of jazz, rock and funkiness…

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:06 pm

Jam and TBS–Great picks. It’s so hard to believe that they aren’t in the R & R Hall. Thema long with YES. Two monster bands from the 70s/80s.

geologist

April 9th, 2012
9:06 pm

There is plenty of oil… just not when gas is $4 a gallon. When it gets to $10 a gallon, then oil shale and Canadian oil sands will be commercially viable.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
9:08 pm

Soothy, maybe there’s hope for you yet?

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
9:10 pm

B, don’t get me started (again) on the farce called the RRHoF!

If I was King, somebody there would pay!

Another monster musical act not in there…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZURwQ_wME

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
9:11 pm

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
9:12 pm

Orange Juice: judging by your nonsensical attitude, I would guess that you’re none other than Little Davy Crybaby.

Orange 12

April 9th, 2012
9:16 pm

Soother,

Judging by your worrying about being banned by Jay, maybe you’re just not man enough to type what you want to.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
9:17 pm

Bruno @ 9:06

They are not in as well as this great band……… WTF is up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=096LhjGNNCk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpsyrfoX8zw&feature=relmfu

what a shame

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
9:19 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:20 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:24 pm

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
9:26 pm

Soothsayer

April 9th, 2012
9:27 pm

All right! Everyone. Let’s consume mass quantities, shall we? BTW, Bruno, that’s real funny. Let’s see who turns out to right, shall we? In the meantime, enjoy your Escalade.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:28 pm

Still love this raw version of “Colour My World” with Terry Kath:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHemXOO-PU&feature=related

Thulsa Doom

April 9th, 2012
9:28 pm

‘I mean, some day algae farms in the South America or Indonesia or somewhere else may just make algae based fuel way cheaper than it can be made here in America and once again the American consumer will take it in the butt.Our prices won’t go down, and our taxpayer dollars will still be funneled into the industry’

Yep. I’m excited to see new technologies out there and algae based fuel is one of them. But already I see the same issue that pogo sees.

As Jay noted as of now the algae system is “several” times more expensive then conventional crude. The reality is that if this becomes viable the only way it will do so is if the farms are in 3rd world nations that have an absolute advantage in terms of labor costs- China for example. I’m surprised more people can’t see this will obviously happen.

Secondly Jay cites a couple of examples of market failure. However, generally if an idea is good and really works the free market will find it.

Thirdly if you really want to efficiently get something done don’t have govt do the research or even put out grants to do the research. Have govt offer a flat dollar prize to anyone who can solve a problem. For example why not just offer a billion dollar prize to anyone who can find a cure to AIDs or an AIDs vaccine. You will probably see some small biotechs spring up overnight. Want cancer cured? Offer a 10 billion dollar prize.

I saw an interesting piece from Stossel the other night on doing this. Someone offered a million dollars to develop a car that would get 100 mpg and it had to look good doing it and also meet safety parameters. Over a hundred teams competed and someone developed a car that looked cool and sure enough got 102 mph.

There needs to more creative and out of the box thinking as to how to efficiently get things done as opposed to just pouring taxpayer money into crap like Solyndra. Make the serious investors compete with their own money for a prize as opposed to just throwing our taxpayer money like mud against a wall to see what sticks. But then I suspect that the ugly truth is that you would bypass the govt bureaucracy or middle man who depends on doling out grants, deciding winners and losers, and being bought and influenced by special interest lobbyists- and this applies to both parties.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:31 pm

In the meantime, enjoy your Escalade.

I’ve got a 4 cylinder Rogue. 30 mpg. All the comfort of an SUV with the economy of a small car. Kick ass sound system to boot. Much better than the Lexus.

Thulsa Doom

April 9th, 2012
9:36 pm

“It’s going to crash over the World anyway. It won’t matter whether you’re a Fright-Winger”

“You bloggers are so naive, you just wander through life without a care in the World. Never a worry about the future. Just give me my giant SUV and my monster pick ‘em up truck.”

Sooth,

Please sir. Make up your mind. Are we frightwingers intent on scaring people on issues so that they vote Republican? Or are we naive people who don’t have a care in the world and aren’t worried about gas running out or anything else?

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:38 pm

There needs to more creative and out of the box thinking as to how to efficiently get things done as opposed to just pouring taxpayer money into crap like Solyndra. Make the serious investors compete with their own money for a prize as opposed to just throwing our taxpayer money like mud against a wall to see what sticks.

Lovin’ it, Doomy. For some reason, Libs are trained to view greed as bad. Properly harnessed, greed can be the greatest motivator in the world.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:41 pm

Please sir. Make up your mind.

Kind of reminds me of that whack-job website that TP kept putting up earlier. When man wasn’t around, and the climate changed, it was due to the sun. Now that man is here, the sun is no longer important. It’s all about CO2 now, even though it WASN’T about CO2 when the CO2 concentrations were 12 times higher than today. Sure thing.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
9:42 pm

Love that Rush Something for Nothing, TBS…

And I wouldn’t be surprised if a hundred years from now, some (Canadian?) kid finds that LP and goes wild over it!

Well, you boys know me and it is beyond inexplicable how this guy was never voted in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPE82q2qoQ&feature=relmfu

39 years later…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSvm3DuhvKI&feature=relmfu

Jm

April 9th, 2012
9:42 pm

Just FYI

If this ever became viable, the Saudis would quash it by dumping a ton more oil on the market making $85 a gallon economically unviable

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:45 pm

Jm–I say let them dump away. I’m one of the few conservatives who is happy buying their oil right now and saving our own for later. Much later.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:47 pm

Jam–Couldn’t get either of your Todd links to play. Some more H & O:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXFkEGIInwo&feature=related

dbm

April 9th, 2012
9:49 pm

Jay,

Government subsidies for railroads, based at least in part on concerns about national prestige (like monument-building authoritarian governments), created railroads where they weren’t economically justified yet. This, combined with the advantage of generous government subsidies, prevented other companies from competing. Thus the government created monopolies which led to abuses. The abuses were then blamed on capitalism and used to “justify” more government interference, including the antitrust laws with all their ambiguities, inconsistencies, and injustices.

And didn’t the internet start out as the Arpanet, developed for military purposes? I have no quarrel with the development of radar as a military tool in World War II, nor with it subsequently becoming more widely useful. But this argument applies only to things needed for military purposes. I guess you would argue that’s true here; if so, please make clear that’s how you’re arguing.

Meanwhile

April 9th, 2012
9:50 pm

“…Is that a wasted investment? Even if Sapphire proves a total failure, the answer would be no…Given all that, it would be foolish not to seek alternatives, and it would be foolish for government not to try to push the technology to commercial viability…”

Recall — The short version is that Solyndra, the Silicon Valley developer of a unique thin-film solar energy panel — revolutionary but expensive to produce — received a $535 million federal loan guarantee as part of President Barack Obama’s stimulus push. That application had been stalled until the 2009 change in administrations, when Solyndra jumped to the front of the line.. and we all know how that played out!!

Seems lefties,including Jay, just won’t judge PresBo critically and won’t cede political battleground by actually admitting mistakes. Reminds one of ” “Not My Fault”; “Bush Did It”; “I Can’t Control Gas Prices”; ”Congress Won’t Act”, and a whole host of other excuses.

But according to

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
9:52 pm

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
9:52 pm

B, you got me kinda psyched at the prospect of seeing Greg Lake later this year…

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, “Rock and roll is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdwzHBnm6mo

Thulsa Doom

April 9th, 2012
9:53 pm

“Once again, oil produced in the US goes on the world market. It doesn’t get kept here and consumed here, despite what so many of our conservative friends and associates seem to think.”

Joe Mama from what I’ve seen on here the vast majority of cons on here understand that.

“Ergo, “drill baby drill” is nonsense, despite the fact that it apparently makes conservative panties wet.”

Um. No sir. Its not nonsense. Not if the U.S. adding several million barrels of oil a day to the world market helps offset rising demand from China and other nations. For example I saw that a year or 2 ago that world demand was 86-88 million barrels per day. Its now at around 90 million a day as China’s and India’s consumption grows. If the U.S. were producing an extra 2-3 million barrels a day then obviously this would have helped meet the growing demand of other countries. Simple supply and demand. Do you dispute the laws of supply and demand?

Don't Forget

April 9th, 2012
9:54 pm

Bruno you may view this as an argument of semantics but I view ambition as good but greed as bad. When you use the term greed, to me anyway, it implies no obligation to any moral codes or sense of fairness.

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
9:59 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLfSfYonDes&feature=related

Good night to all…… have an even better tomorrow

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:03 pm

When you use the term greed, to me anyway, it implies no obligation to any moral codes or sense of fairness.

Which is why I stated “properly harnessed”.

Somehow I never get tired of hearing this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dleS20N5U

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
10:05 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:10 pm

Jam–I think you just played this one, but I think it’s worth a repeat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qPIftMsgCc&feature=related

...as silly as....

April 9th, 2012
10:13 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 9th, 2012
10:14 pm

Well, this Frank Sinkus is just full of ideas. I never thought of asking the guy at the gas station for information. Next time I’m going to force him to talk to me instead of just giving him the cash for the gas and walking away like he wants me to do. You never can tell when a person will give you the biggest idea in the world.

Speaking of Frank, it strikes me that alot of people on this blog react to him the same way josef reacts to me and this guy named Helen Thomas. Us big-brained people take alot of flak.

Have a good night everybody.

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:16 pm

While the music played, you worked by candlelight…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5EQaEHNeco

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:22 pm

One of the greatest guitar pieces in rock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tllhmK9g4G4

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
10:24 pm

B, that 10:10 was really a sweet song. And one that if I knew, I had forgotten

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:27 pm

“Great Steely Dan guitar solos” has to include this number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bwHK1xkgJA

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:29 pm

Really, Jam?? I thought that you had played it recently as one of the Live From Darryl’s selections….Beautiful number from the “Abandoned Luncheonette” album.

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
10:42 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:42 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:46 pm

They BOTH suck

April 9th, 2012
10:47 pm

well since the two best tune dudes on JBs blog want to play Steely Dan

Guess I will have two more for the road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkKo0CelPUs&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL1D30104508EB18DE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVBAnxmXd_k

And good night for the 3rd time and for really real this time

Peace

JamVet

April 9th, 2012
10:53 pm

TBS, you cracked me up with that third sign off.

And thanks for the great tunes.

And peace out to you and all the good folks here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbsW-vooxdU&feature=relmfu

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:54 pm

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
10:56 pm

Another Michael McDonald backing vocal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8AJh7_mKc

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
11:10 pm

Any Major Dude, even Jay, will tell you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kND8TRZap8Y

Bruno

April 9th, 2012
11:15 pm

Get married in the Dominican, get divorced in Haiti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31pIlmVRQXM

Rightwing Troll

April 10th, 2012
12:04 am

Four hours holding my one year old baby at Children’s Healthcare tonight, while she had a fever of 102-103.

I saw tats, iphones, weaves, english as a second language books and magazines everywhere, all the while children who looked fairly healthy skipping around and playing on their parents ipads… while they waited to see a doctor.

It’s fairly obvious who was there for the free emergency room healthcare unnecessarily, while I had to sit there and console my sick baby for 4 effin hours.

I’m self employed, and self insured. I endure an annual raping of 25-30% increases in my rates with no explanation or discernible reason, we’re a pretty healthy bunch we don’t go to the doctor much. Sometimes, especially with babies, things come up at the most inopportune times, thus the trip tonight.

Point is I pay for my insurance, and I pay all my bills. I don’t mind helping those who need help, but what I witnessed tonight is just maddening. Something is broken, and it results in higher rates (and taxes) for us who pay our way and care about doing the right thing.

I for one appreciate that at least someone in this f’ed up country tried to do something about this, even if I feel he should have been focused on the economy and jobs at that particular moment.

I also wish that instead of simply hating and trying to repeal just because it was the kenyan marxist’s idea, that wingnuts would come up with some solutions. Serious solutions.

While you all whine about Obamacare you completely ignore the fact that healthcare is free for the taking at all of our expense. We’re already paying for universal healthcare.

Something needs to be done, something to protect the likes of me from having one run up in me by the Insurance companies, something that makes people want to be doctors again. The way it is now, I don’t know why anybody would want to be a doctor. You spend all of your time fighting the govt and insurance to get reimbursed reasonable costs, and getting raped for malpractice insurance.

The system is broken, on both sides of the equation. Insurance is out of control (not because of Obamacare, I’ve been in this situation for 9 years) and how healthcare works now, especially emergency healthcare makes everything that much more expensive for those of us who actually will shoulder our share of the burden.

Whew! I feel a little better after that rant… and the baby’s fever is down and she’s finally sleeping…

oblama

April 10th, 2012
12:26 am

CNBC : Oblama meets with the racist hate group the New Black Panther Party…… Reverunt Rat’s back in the news spouting his hate speech.. Where is Eric Holder when racial death threats are openly made? Are hate crimes prosecuted only for those that support Oblama? Threatening someone’s life is illegal yet Eric Holder and Oblama say NOTHING and do NOTHING. Selectively enforcing the law is immoral and unethical – and probably illegal and also hypocritical. Jay what’s your response to the one sided enforcement of hate crimes by this administration?

oblama

April 10th, 2012
12:37 am

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of possible experiments that are being considered and studied concerning sources of energy. Why has Jay decided algae is the answer? Is he an expert on the subject. So Jay is going to decide for us that pouring millions of dollars in to the study of algae is the way to go? Typical Oblamacrat. Just throw tax dollars down the rat hole and hope you get lucky.

Rightwing Troll

April 10th, 2012
12:48 am

Because it shows some promise.

Do you even KNOW anything about what we’re talking about? Or is it just that this administration could be considering supporting it?

Funny thing is you’ve decided not to support it just because the Obama administration is supporting it and Jay wrote about it… So yeah Jay, in your particular case, did decide it for you.

Jack

April 10th, 2012
5:51 am

Algae may be the answer. Coal miners ain’t gonna be happy though.

Vern

April 10th, 2012
6:38 am

So, you’re saying Georgia’s investment in a plant to produce cellulosic methanol when the company had never produced a drop was worth the tax money?

Vern

April 10th, 2012
6:40 am

The best way to get off oil is through electricity and we know sun and wind is doable. The key is distribution and advancing battery technology.

Vern

April 10th, 2012
6:41 am

Oh, and nuclear. Bury the waste at Yucca Mountain.

geologist

April 10th, 2012
6:46 am

So how much money did the Federal Government invest in heavier-than-air flight? Oh, that’s right…

Joel Edge

April 10th, 2012
6:53 am

“There’s no guarantee of success”
Truer words were never posted. We’ll see in 2014.

cloudodust

April 10th, 2012
7:01 am

Cars rolling off the assembley line in the future : The Chevy Slime, the Ford Grunge and the Buick Swamp Mosquito (aplogogizes to the RAF)

Mad Max

April 10th, 2012
7:05 am

” the polio vaccine, among many others, was created with federal funding.” That is a stretch Jay. I won’t say there was no Federal funding but the vast majority of the research was performed by private enterprise and research hospitals and some of the most important breakthroughs were developed by the competition to get to market first.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
7:06 am

Oblama

Well jay can’t really discuss the deficit now can he?

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:18 am

Another inexcusable oversight.

Little known fact: Chicago can never be in the rock and roll hall of fame due to this crime against nature.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
7:20 am

$85 a barrel in 2014…hmmm…price may prove high but no shortage of real and political algae i reckon….perhaps Jay will opine this morning on his favorable view of $500M and 4000 new jobs at IRS.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:20 am

I’m self employed, and self insured. I endure an annual raping of 25-30% increases in my rates with no explanation or discernible reason, we’re a pretty healthy bunch we don’t go to the doctor much.

I’ve been there, done that, didn’t even get a T-shirt, and hear ya, RWT.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:22 am

4000 new jobs at IRS.

yawn.

so if I news-google this what will I discover? can you provide an executive summary for my dining and dancing pleasure?

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
7:22 am

Jay could add the quote from NEWSWEEK via 1970’s…paraphrased “get ready for the coming ICE AGE!!!

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:25 am

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
7:25 am

STANDS,

LMK what you find…if I’m wrong I trust you will correct me.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:27 am

Funny thing is you’ve decided not to support it just because the Obama administration is supporting it and Jay wrote about it… So yeah Jay, in your particular case, did decide it for you.

Jay could advocate in support of motherhood and apple pie, and I guarandamntee that there’d be at least three knuckle-draggers in here screaming about both being Commie-Muslim plots.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:27 am

LMK what you find…

I don’t know what LMK means.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:28 am

“Lick my…?” no wait, that’s usually spelled with a “C”. so, not that.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:28 am

oh. Let me know. Got it!

Ok, I’ll go a-news-googlin’. Back in a bit.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
7:30 am

Let me know SFD…I just wanna be cool for my kids…Of course you are free to interpret in any fashion that suits…

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:33 am

well, the first four screamin’ headlines certainly would indicate this is today’s fRight Wing Poutrage:

Report: IRS hiring approximately 4000 agents (foxnews)

IRS seeks 4000 agents, $303 million for Obamacare (wash examiner)

IRS Already Gearing Up for Health-Care Crackdown (fox biness)

Revenooer [snort!] Rants: IRS not giving up on Obamacare (something called the “North Lake Tahoe Bonanza”)

‎…adding to this, I rarely fail to be amused at how American conservatives seem to believe that we should fund the richest, most powerful nation ever on Earth, via revenue collection on some kind of honor system.

Mick

April 10th, 2012
7:40 am

stands

What we need now is another show like “all in the family”, what a great piece of work. Archie is a con’s wet dream, forever wrong about most things but always right in his mind. Vote against your own self interests – it’s the american effing way…

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
7:41 am

Tax dollars at work protecting our citizens…http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/04/06/newark-airport-closes-after-tsa-agent-dozes/

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:42 am

By the way, that second headline? if you read the story, you realize it’s more or less a flat-out lie.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/03/irs-seeks-4000-agents-303-million-obamacare/416051

But like all the rest of the links I saw for that particular news-google search, it’s just another editorial/opinion piece, or some link to talk-show nonsense.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:43 am

Really, Stevie? First you’re reaching back to ye olde “some newsmagazine ran a cover story on global cooling that one time!” talking point; now you’re expecting me to go to Hot freaking Air?

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:46 am

By the way, all of these right-wing-friendly headlines seem to have overlooked that the IRS Commissioner had testified that they’d received all kinds of bitching and moaning from Americans over long waits for support services, and that maybe some of the waits were due to trying to make do with 5,000 fewer employees this tax season …

http://www.c-span.org/Events/IRS-Commissioner-Testifies-on-FY2013-Budget-and-IRS-Operations/10737429270/

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
7:47 am

Your defensiveness speaks volumes there stands…do you believe and feel any and all DEM/President Trillion’s decisions and moves are correct? So the spineless wonder did not move $500M to IRS? My bad if I’m mistaken…of course, what’s 197M between liberals? Yes, the global cooling allegation was as effectively peer reviewed as current global warming crap….

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:48 am

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
7:50 am

The horseless carriage will never replave my covered wagon.

oh and

Get off my Lawn.

I love American politics.

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
7:51 am

RWT @ 12:04

I feel ya brother. Sometimes I think I should go to the doctor for every little thing I feel with the amount I’m paying for insurance, and I’m probably nowhere near as much as someone who’s self insured. There has got to be a better way, and I’m with you 100% on that.

philosopher

April 10th, 2012
7:54 am

The earth is flat, and damm it, we all KNOW the walk on the moon was a hoax!!I t’s all a leftist Muslim, trick! Just get us a Republican, any Republican, in office and all this muckety muck will just go away!!

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
7:54 am

dB @ 7:46

Funny about the b*tching and moaning. One minute people are angry because the government doesn’t cater to their every whim as fast as they think we should. Then, the next minute, they’re complaining about being taxed too much and the need to cut spending. Not once do they stop long enough to realize that, when spending is cut, employees are cut and wait times increase. The government is dysfunctional because politicians are making it that way so they can campaign against the dysfunctional government they’re creating. Sad thing is, people are eating that sh*t up like it’s the truth.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
7:58 am

Your defensiveness speaks volumes there stands…do you believe and feel any and all DEM/President Trillion’s decisions and moves are correct? So the spineless wonder did not move $500M to IRS? My bad if I’m mistaken…of course, what’s 197M between liberals? Yes, the global cooling allegation was as effectively peer reviewed as current global warming crap….

since you asked:

1) No.

2) I have no idea from reading those “news” links.

3) Depends on how you define “liberal.” If you’re willing to loosely apply it to “Obama voters” that’d be… carry the six… around two dollars and ninety-eight cents each.

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
7:59 am

Arming the IRS with more agents and piles of cash is like turning Granny loose with a bagful of skunks at the GOP convention…hysterical and smelly:-)

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
8:01 am

stevie ray

what in heavens would I be doing at the GOP convention with a
bag of you?

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
8:02 am

STANDS,

Going to work…It’s April and I think I’ve just now covered my tax bill for the year (January thru March).

Thanks for the back in forth…I do appreciate your position…behave.

How Gasoline Gets to Your Tank

April 10th, 2012
8:02 am

Mick

April 10th, 2012
8:03 am

**Sad thing is, people are eating that sh*t up like it’s the truth.**

If I never would have visited this blog, I never would have believed the level of venom hurled towards all things government. Sorry and sad to say that I visited yellowstone nat’l park before the budget ax hit and after partial privitization. No comparison, half the bathrooms were out of order and the garbage was piling up – in sum a disgrace from what it once was. The natural beauty of the place is still there but the maintenance of the human visitors is trending poorly…

Recon 0311 2533

April 10th, 2012
8:04 am

stevie ray..clowns to the left and jokers to the right, here I am...

April 10th, 2012
8:05 am

Thanks Grannie..I think you just made a funny!! I’ve been called worse by much better…catch you later…

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
8:05 am

Going to work…It’s April and I think I’ve just now covered my tax bill for the year (January thru March).

If it makes you feel better–in most civilized nations, you’d likely be working longer than into April to cover your tax bill.

Paying taxes beats having your head on a pike, courtesy of the local peasants’ uprising, I always say.

I do appreciate your position…

likewise, mistah Ray. Live long and prosper.

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
8:06 am

“but the maintenance of the human visitors is trending poorly…”

Maybe that’s because there’s no competition…government “picking winners and losers” again?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 10th, 2012
8:09 am

Bro, add to that the people who want taxes cut and ALSO complain about the intelligence level of government employees.

You want MIT graduates working in government? You might need to pay a bit more in taxes.

Mick

April 10th, 2012
8:11 am

doggone

It wasn’t just the maintenance, try to find a park ranger, and if you could they would tell you how it used to be before all the cutbacks and privitization. In some instances, we are regressing. The parks system recognized and created by Teddy Roosevelt are a gem. Today, we are letting them lose their luster..

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
8:12 am

Stevie ray

I’ve been called worse by much better… (probably not)

catch you later…(not even in your air jordans)

Lyman Hall

April 10th, 2012
8:13 am

“Bro, add to that the people who want taxes cut and ALSO complain about the intelligence level of government employees.”
.
Ha Ha…………………………………….classic.

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
8:15 am

Pathetic that a voter could enter a DC polling place and ask for a ballot of another person, in this case the Attorney General, and not be challenged. Listening to the tape, the guy asked if there was a ballot for a person named Holder. He didn’t say he was Holder…. just “is there a ballot for a person named Holder”. And the dufus gave him the ballot, even though he had no identification to prove he was Holder or even that he had the right to be in the polling place at all. He even offered to go to his car and bring the guy and ID to prove he was who he said and the polling official only said….. that’s OK, you look pretty genuine. The guy requesting the ballot was white and Holder is black. You could have easily seen that with a photo ID. And we don’t need photo IDs at the polling place according to liberal logic. The beat goes on.

Romney Solidifies GOP Position but Obama Gets Boost From Women

April 10th, 2012
8:15 am

A widening gender gap, modest economic gains, an edge on key issues and broad advantages in personal popularity are boosting Barack Obama’s re-election prospects. Yet Mitt Romney, moving to close the deal in his own party, holds opportunities of his own for the road ahead.

Obama has returned to a single-digit lead vs. Romney in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, 51-44 percent among registered voters, after a virtual dead heat last month. That includes Obama’s largest margin to date among women, 57-38 percent. He trails by 8 points among men.

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-solidifies-gop-position-obama-gets-boost-women-040227798–abc-news-politics.html

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
8:19 am

The government is dysfunctional because politicians are making it that way so they can campaign against the dysfunctional government they’re creating. Sad thing is, people are eating that sh*t up like it’s the truth.

Bros, such Deep Thoughts are perhaps worthy of a ten-page response, but I’ll just say:

Expecting conservative politicians not to exploit an opening such as you describe is like expecting yellow jackets to be well-behaved if you leave lots of sugary drinks lying around outside on a hot summer day. There will always be some voters who’ll fall prey to this appeal to self-victimization.

What I find intolerable is that the supposed “liberal” party doesn’t really campaign against such stuff, but instead, exasperatingly, continually, tries to manage and co-opt it themselves.

Dammit, if you’re going to be liberals, act like freaking liberals. *Support* your damned government, fight for it, and call your opponents “un-American” if that’s what it takes to win.

(Mind you, I know that’s not what I voted for with Obama in 2008 and I’m not expecting him to suddenly change his temperament in 2012, so I’m just shoveling crap against the tide with a pitchfork here, but I can have some hope for future general election campaigns anyway. F’rinstance, one can realistically hope Elizabeth Warren will have four years of US Senatorin’ under her belt in 2016 and at least make a credible run at the Big House if she chooses…)

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
8:19 am

“Today, we are letting them lose their luster..”

Yep…it all comes down to what Bro said: “The government is dysfunctional because politicians are making it that way so they can campaign against the dysfunctional government they’re creating. Sad thing is, people are eating that sh*t up like it’s the truth.”

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
8:21 am

Kayaker

O’Keefe? Really? its too early for that kind of desperation.

You should be saving him for a big October surprise.

Maybe get O’Keefe, Taitz and Arpaio together for a triple whammy.

It could happen, right Kayaker?

Jm

April 10th, 2012
8:22 am

I don’t expect liberals to grasp this…

April 10 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama is promoting a “Buffett rule” setting a minimum tax rate for top earners to ensure they pay a higher percentage of their income than middle- class families. For the most part, they already do.
The average tax rate, including payroll taxes, for the middle 20 percent of U.S. families will be 15.9 percent in 2015, according to an estimate by the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan research group in Washington. Of the 217,000 households that would be affected by the Buffett rule, 4,000 will have incomes exceeding $1 million and tax rates below 15 percent, under slightly different measures of income and taxes by the center.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
8:22 am

stands: Thank you for those headlines. Now when someone decides to go off topic with that I can put them on my ignore list for the day.

The Republicans' Lies About Gas Prices

April 10th, 2012
8:23 am

Adam

April 10th, 2012
8:25 am

Of the 217,000 households that would be affected by the Buffett rule, 4,000 will have incomes exceeding $1 million and tax rates below 15 percent, under slightly different measures of income and taxes by the center.

Out of curiosity, I don’t suppose you’ve worked out the numbers on how much revenue this will raise? I also don’t suppose you’re aware of many other tax revenue increase proposals on the table that, if adopted, would also raise some revenue?

Or is it that you just don’t like raising revenue? Come on, admit it. You’re safe with saying so. ;)

Cosby

April 10th, 2012
8:26 am

Where does the Federal Government derive its power to spend the citizens money as a venture capitalist. I cannot find it anywhere. I wonder if Henry ford received such money or the Wright Brothers or Thomas Edison..I doubt it..since when does trhe Federal government decide winners and loosers…ok Big Government is the ansewr to all our problems…heck it causes most of them. Algae may work, but let the true venture capitalist decide and not We need your election support DC decide.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
8:29 am

Where does the Federal Government derive its power to spend the citizens money as a venture capitalist. I cannot find it anywhere

The Commerce Clause, Article I Section 8, the 16th Amendment, and the powers of the Congress, all as laid out in the Constitution.

Just thought I’d help you out there ;)

Mighty Righty

April 10th, 2012
8:29 am

Ignorance on display is astounding. At a company where I used to we joked about the way to make a losing product profitable, was to make more of the product. That is exactly what the green movement is all about. Make more of a bad product and the product will somehow magicly become a good product. Aternatively, the greens with the full cooperation of the present administration, artificially are forcing the cost of fossil fuels to skyrocket with the hope that their hair brained green solution will be cost effective by comparison. We are seeing this now in our gasoline prices. Remember, Obama stated his belief in high energy cost. He manifested that belief by appointing an energy secretary who desired $9.00 a gallon gasoline and Obama stated an increase in home energy cost of thirty percent would be a good thing. The Obama energy policy is to stop exploration by oil company’s and use the EPA to bypass congress and our constitution to throw up road blocks to hinder any other development of fossil fuels to create high energy cost. Green Liberals hate the status quo and prefer to dwell on dreams. Dreams of course are not subject to scientific inquiry and do not have to be proven. Dreams are okay and can actually be useful. But when not restricted by common sense, dreams can become nightmares. Today the green wizards have given us windmills that have a useful life of fifteen years and a cost payback of thirty seven years. The same is true of battery powered cars and solar investment. The billions of dollars that have been wasted on these and worse projects could have been better spent developing fossil fuels which do exist and are the most efficient energy source known. The greens want to talk about how long it would take us the become energy independant if increase our investment in fossil fuels while not giving us any kind of a time table for energy independence based on their green energy schemes. Thus far, green energy has proven to be very, very expensive with out any indication green energy has a future Obama likes to use the “doubling down” phrase as a derogatory remark when talking about something that actually make sense. Well, he is more than doubling down on green energy. Thus far the only results after three plus years of his leadership, billions given to his campaign donor’s companies for photo ops that have failed, cars based on battery power that is 70 years old, solar power that is 50 years old, and not one single success story. And now,the new future fuel is algae. Algae! Good grief! Doing more of a bad thing doesn’t make it better it only makes it multiply.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
8:31 am

Hey Jay, WHY AREN’T YOU TALKING ABOUT THE IRS AGHAGHAGHAGH

Thought I’d get that out of the way early this morning ;)

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
8:32 am

Mick

Haven’t been out there, but I’ve heard horror stories from colleagues along the Northern border. I’ve also had the opportunity to chat with a few Park Rangers about their working conditions.

—————————

Finn: You want MIT graduates working in government? You might need to pay a bit more in taxes.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

What??? And have a government that could actually function worth a damn??? You should be ashamed for speaking such blasphemy!! :)

—————————-

dB

Damn good analogy with the yellow jackets. After that one, I don’t think a 10 page response is needed. Instead, people such as Jay should be openly questioning things such as that. I have yet to hear a response from the “Secure the Border” crowd who also agrees with Rep Ryan’s budget plan. His plan, would eviscerate fed employees to the point where there would be little to no border security. Yet, not a friggin’ peep from any Senators or Reps from border states. I guess it’s easier to toe the party line as opposed to actually giving a damn about the people and issues you represent.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
8:33 am

Adam @ 8.31, don’t forget to add “IN SUPPORT OF TEH OSAMAKKKARE!”

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
8:33 am

Get ready for the largest tax hike in US history next January. The Bush tax cuts expire, the once temporary payroll tax cut expires and get ready for Bozocare tax increases. The death tax increases from 35 to 55%, total exemptions from 5M to 3.5M and the expiration of business to fully expense new capital investments. All in all, 494B in new taxes. What was that famous campaign saying?;;;;”If you make less than 250K, you will not owe a single dime of additional taxes”. That’s right up there with “You can keep your doctor and your health care plan”. Both blatant lies and liberals still give him a pass.

fatalgae

April 10th, 2012
8:34 am

DOE BIOMASS PROGRAM AND ALGAE RESEARCHERS NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED!

Solydra story is opening a huge can of worms at the DOE LOAN GURANTEE LOAN PROGRAM. Its not just about the Solar loan guarantee program. Look at all the millions in fees collected by the DOE LOAN GUARANTEE PROGRAM with algae projects less than 20% completed. An audit needs to be done on all DOE Biomass Program Grants to algae researchers.

The US taxpayer has spent over $2.5 billion dollars over the last 50 years on algae research. To date, nothing has been commercialized by any algae researcher.

The REAL question is: Does the DOE BIOMASS PROGRAM really want the US off of foreign oil or do they want to continue funding more grants for algae research to keep algae researchers employed at universities for another 50 years?

In business, you are not given 50 years to research anything. The problem is in the Congressional Mandate that says the DOE can only use taxpayer monies on algae research, NOT algae production in the US. So far, algae research has not got the US off of foreign oil for the last 50 years!

A Concerned Taxpayer

ARPA-E halts algae project, citing missed milestones
Jim Lane | February 16, 2012
Share”In Washington, the DOE has halted a research project at Iowa State University funded by ARPA-E to develop biofuel feedstock from an aquatic micro-organism for failing to reach research milestones. About 56% of the $4.4 million grant was used. Politicians against increasing APRA-E funding as proposed by President Obama’s new budget are using it and other halted ARPA-E projects as examples to reject the program.”

fatalgae

April 10th, 2012
8:36 am

Neither Sapphire Energy nor the Algal Biomass Organization responded to requests for comment

Hmmmm?

BY: CJ Ciaramella – February 22, 2012 5:00 am
The federal government awarded Sapphire Energy, a green energy concern, more than $100 million for a project that is behind schedule, has only created a fraction of its expected jobs, and is, according to some experts, at least a decade away from creating a viable product.

Founded in 2007, Sapphire is working to develop algal biofuel—a replacement to crude oil made from algae and able to be refined into gasoline, diesel, or jet fuel.

Sapphire raised $100 million from private investment firms, including ARCH Venture Partners. Bob Nelsen, a founding partner of ARCH, served on Obama’s National Finance Committee during the 2008 campaign.

A Washington Post investigation found billions of taxpayer dollars flowed to green energy companies backed by venture capital firms with ties to the Obama administration.

Sapphire was no exception. In 2009, executives, board members, and employees at Sapphire contributed almost exclusively to Democratic campaigns. For example, Sapphire CEO Jason Pyle has donated only to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The company has received $104.5 million from the federal government, roughly half of which were 2009 stimulus funds from the Department of Energy, to build an algae-based biofuel operation in Columbus, New Mexico.

Sapphire has spent more than $1.8 million lobbying the federal government since 2008, with an appreciable spike in 2009, when there were several biomass-related bills up for consideration.

One such bill was the Algae-based Renewable Fuel Promotion Act of 2010, which would have expanded federal tax credits for biofuel to include algae-based fuels. It passed the House in 2010 but never made it to the floor of the Senate. The House bill was co-sponsored by Rep. Brain Bilbray (R., Calif.), whose district surrounds Sapphire’s San Diego headquarters. Bilbray is the only Republican to whom Sapphire executives and board members reliably contribute.

In 2011, the Algal Biomass Organization, which promotes the industry, hired one of the biggest law firms in the U.S., K&L gates, to advocate at the federal level. That same year, Tom Udall (D., N.M.) co-sponsored a new bill, the Renewable Fuel Parity Act of 2011, that would give algal biofuel the same tax breaks as other forms of biofuel.

There is considerable interest in developing algal biofuel. Sapphire was ranked 97 on a Forbes list of the most promising companies in 2011. There are several other companies working to develop the fuel as well.

However, like many stimulus projects, Sapphire’s new facility has faced delays. The plant was supposed to be operational by 2011, creating almost 750 temporary and 40 permanent jobs. But Sapphire did not break ground until June 2011.

In October 2011, two years after being awarded federal grants, the project had only employed 15 New Mexicans and spent $575,000. Sapphire Vice President of Corporate Affairs Tim Zenk told the Las Cruces Sun-News that the project has “a long ways to go.”

In November 2011, the federal government kicked more money Sapphire’s way—this time a $54.5 million loan from the Department of Agriculture.

According to the most recent quarterly report filed at Recovery.gov, the project is less than 50 percent complete and has created 36 jobs.

Questions have also been raised about the viability of algal biomass as an alternative fuel.

Mary Rosenthal, the head of the Algal Biomass Organization, predicted in 2010 that algal fuel could compete with oil within seven years. However, a 2010 report by the University of California Berkeley’s Energy Biosciences Institute said it would take a decade of testing to even determine if algae companies can produce mass quantities of fuel at competitive prices.

The fuel is not yet commercially available. The main consumer has been the U.S. Navy, which paid $12 million for 450,000 gallons of biofuel in 2011. That works out to $26.67 per gallon.

Neither Sapphire Energy nor the Algal Biomass Organization responded to requests for comment

Barack Obama Campaign Attacks Mitt Romney Over Swiss Bank Account

April 10th, 2012
8:38 am

WASHINGTON — A conference call organized by President Barack Obama’s presidential campaign on Monday to push for higher tax rates for millionaires quickly descended into an attack on Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney for his secretive Swiss bank account, with Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) declaring that no presidential aspirant has ever had such an exotic financial portfolio.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/barack-obama-mitt-romney-swiss-bank-account_n_1413130.html?ref=topbar

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
8:38 am

kayaker

I say let’em all kick in. At some point, we have to be serious about paying down the debt, right? That’s all I’ve heard from the Right since 2010. What better way to start than to get rid of all this tax gimmickery? Allow the tax rates and levels to reset back to the Clinton levels. That along with the mandatory cuts that are set for January will show Americans that our government is serious about getting it’s financial act together. Any attempts to avert what’s coming is acknowleding that nobody’s serious about our financial future.

At least, that’s how it seems to go according to conservative logic….

Mighty Righty

April 10th, 2012
8:39 am

The commerce clause was written to restrict the federal govenment’s authority over the people. Only a typical non thinking big government liberal views anything in the constituion as giving power to the federal government. Barack Obama is exactly the type of president our founders feared and then wrote the consitution to protect us from presidential excess. Unfortunately the meaning of the consitution has been prostituted to the point that there are virtually no protections left.

barking frog

April 10th, 2012
8:40 am

developing wind power
to propel submarines
when surfaced should be
explored.

Ronald Reagan Declaring Support For Tax System Similar To Buffett Rule

April 10th, 2012
8:40 am

Last fall, when President Obama debuted the Buffett Rule — the simple idea that millionaires and billionaires should pay at least the same tax rate as middle class workers — we climbed into the wayback machine and found a video of President Ronald Reagan decrying “crazy” tax loopholes that allowed a millionaire to pay a lower tax rate than a bus driver.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/ronald-reagan-buffett-rule-video_n_1412932.html?ref=topbar

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
8:43 am

Bro, 8:38,

Nothing can happen until we quit spending gazillions of dollars of borrowed money. Why do you think that there is a need for an additional 494B in tax revenue?

Gale

April 10th, 2012
8:45 am

Before the topic changes, I have a question. I have read about experimental use of “mini” reactors, such as those on Navy vessels, being used in place if the giant reactors for reasons of safety. Why do we depend on giant refineries? The line in Jay’s post about shipping the algae crude oil to a refinery made me wonder if smaller refineries might be built nearer the algae farm to further reduce costs by making the energy source nearer to the consumer.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
8:47 am

Brosephus: I say let’em all kick in. At some point, we have to be serious about paying down the debt, right?

That is pretty much my sentiment, in all seriousness. Taxes go up, loopholes die, people start feeling the pain and then go hey, maybe the rich SHOULD pay a little more after all. Or they could just grumble and not vote for reasonable candidates and still b*tch and whine about their own taxes. Either way, reset button on the taxes would go a long way toward deficit reduction.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
8:50 am

kayaker

You OK with borrowing money to pay for tax cuts in the Ryan/Romney budget plan?

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
8:53 am

Why do you think that there is a need for an additional 494B in tax revenue?

To pay down the debt. Anything else?

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
8:56 am

Bro, 8:53

But it doesn’t pay down the debt. It just gets swallowed up in additional spending which is why we have the largest deficit in our history.

barking frog

April 10th, 2012
8:59 am

considering the debt
problems of greece
will the creditors
foreclose and take
possession?

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
9:00 am

Granny, 8:50,

I’m OK with getting rid of the need for borrowing more money to pay for anyone’s tax cuts. You can’t increase spending and expect to not need more revenue. Debts don’t get paid off this way. They remain and get even larger. I am sure that you do not run you household on these liberal pipedreams.

Eminem on Obama

April 10th, 2012
9:00 am

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
9:00 am

Get ready for the largest tax hike in US history next January.

Here’s hoping.

Damn good analogy with the yellow jackets.

Well, I’d already used the “honey + ants + dining alfresco” bit last week, hadda think on my feet.

Producin’ awaits. Be excellent to one another.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:02 am

Now, the proponents of this budget will tell us we have to make all these draconian cuts because our deficit is so large; this is an existential crisis, we have to think about future generations, so on and so on. And that argument might have a ***shred*** of credibility were it not for their proposal to also spend $4.6 trillion over the next decade on lower tax rates.

Why do you support the Ryan plan that cuts taxes to the tune of $4.6T?

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
9:05 am

Eminem on Obama
9:00,

What a link!! That vacant stare, the halting speech, the total ignorance displayed by this clown are typical of the worst in liberal logic. If it were not so pathetic, it would be funny.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
9:06 am

Kayaker 71

I use credit, always have. I don’t let credit use me, never have.

It ain’t rocket science.

My budget or the governments.

Oh and based on how we got where we are I would correct that to conservative pipe dreams…I mean y’all ran up the debt without a plan to pay it off and all…..

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 10th, 2012
9:06 am

Exports surged last month, helping to produce an unexpected trade surplus of $5.35 billion in March, but imports grew lethargically, a warning sign for the nation.

nytimes.com

The middle class isn’t buying stuff, that’s why.

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
9:06 am

But it doesn’t pay down the debt. It just gets swallowed up in additional spending which is why we have the largest deficit in our history.

If Congress quits d*cking around, then it wouldn’t, would it? There’s a serious amount of cuts that are supposed to kick in next Jan at the same time the tax hikes go into effect. If the GOP and/or Democrats were serious, they’d do absolutely nothing and both parties would get what they want. At the same time, the resetting of the tax rates cuts the percentage of people with no fed tax liability from the high 40% range to mid 30% range. That would have more people with “skin” in the game, as many conservatives seem to want anyway.

All in all, it would be a win for conservatives.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:11 am

All in all, it would be a win for conservatives.

Except that it isn’t, because us liberals seem to want it too, so there must be something wrong with it. Oh, and the Bush Tax Cuts should be UNTOUCHABLE, unless we can blame them on Obama somehow. Then they are “now the Obama Tax Cuts.”

Shawny

April 10th, 2012
9:13 am

Eliminate the ridiculous tariffs on imported Brazilian sugar that are in place to protect our sugar beet growers so that we can produce sugar based ethanol like the Brazilians do much cheaper than our corn squeezins ethanol that does nothing but drive up the cost of food.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
9:15 am

JKL2 — “BLUF: Somebody buy my birth control for me.”

Not what she said. She didn’t refer to her *own* birth control needs even once during her entire testimony. Stop making things up.

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
9:15 am

corn squeezins

mmmmmmmmmmm….. corn squeezins

Eminem on Obama

April 10th, 2012
9:16 am

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
9:16 am

Granny, 9:06,

“It ain’t rocket science”. Yeah, spend less and you need less revenue. I wonder how hard it is for liberals to figure this out. No, it is not rocket science but you would think it was. I don’t care who is running up the debt, D or R. It just shows fiscal incompetence in managing our taxpayer money. I am sure that you and your family work hard for your money and are concerned about how your tax contribution is being spent. Does this gigantic debt not worry you? It sure will impact on future generations of your family whether you punch D or R. Doesn’t matter….. your grandchildren will continue to pay for the incompetence of our politicians, no matter what their stripe.

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
9:18 am

“Stop making things up”

Now, now…it’s not fair to ask the impossible!

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:19 am

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:11 am

All in all, it would be a win for conservatives.

Except that it isn’t, because us liberals seem to want it too, so there must be something wrong with it. Oh, and the Bush Tax Cuts should be UNTOUCHABLE, unless we can blame them on Obama somehow. Then they are “now the Obama Tax Cuts.”
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Are you nuts? of COURSE they are the Obama tax cuts. HE BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA signed them into law. If he hadn’t, they would have expired.

What’s so hard for you to understand about that? Put your far left fanatical hat in the drawer and put on your rational thinking man’s hat………

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
9:19 am

JKL2 — “Just say you got nothing. It’s OK.”

Okay. You got nothing.

“If you want to reference my “moving goalposts” please show me where I have said ANYTHING that did not talk about job production.”

Your initial post to me was made in response to the whole algae fuel discussion. You said that ‘real fuel’ was needed, and closed with “drill, baby, drill.” You didn’t SAY anything about job production.

And once again, if you want to know what I think about putting Americans to work, then man up and ask me instead of putting words in my mouth.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
9:20 am

Oops. Obama’s HQ reelection team is almost entirely white folks

So much for diversity….

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
9:20 am

Eminem on Obama, 9:16,

It sure ain’t Vivaldi’s Concerto for Four Violins, now is it? Wow. And people listen to this idiocy.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:20 am

If free people are unwilling to gamble their own dollars, an alarm ought to go off. I hold nothing but contempt for those inadequately-educated politicians who think they should play “venture capitalist” with taxpayer funds.

Eminem on Obama

April 10th, 2012
9:22 am

Oops. Obama’s HQ reelection team is almost entirely white folks

So much for diversity….

…in other words only WHITE folks will vote for Obama? Is that what you are saying?

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:22 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:20 am

If free people are unwilling to gamble their own dollars, an alarm ought to go off. I hold nothing but contempt for those inadequately-educated politicians who think they should play “venture capitalist” with taxpayer funds.
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Says the hypocrite as he reaps in the benefits of such past programs………..

Eminem on Obama

April 10th, 2012
9:23 am

Wow. And people listen to this idiocy.

..guess YOU listened to both of them so what does that say about YOU?

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:24 am

I have to admit past government investment successes. But for the billions of dollars put into the space program, we would not have Tang.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
9:24 am

Kayaker 71

you SHOULD care who ran up the debt.

based on their budget proposal they want to do it AGAIN.

it’s amazing that conservatives can’t figure THAT out.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
9:24 am

Eminem 9:22

Definitely not what I was saying

Try reading again

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
9:25 am

Doom — “Joe Mama from what I’ve seen on here the vast majority of cons on here understand that.”

Then they should stop hollering about “drill baby drill” as a response to shortages and price shocks.

“Um. No sir. Its not nonsense. Not if the U.S. adding several million barrels of oil a day to the world market helps offset rising demand from China and other nations.”

And OPEC would just *reduce* their production in response. OPEC wants prices high, but stable.

“For example I saw that a year or 2 ago that world demand was 86-88 million barrels per day. Its now at around 90 million a day as China’s and India’s consumption grows. If the U.S. were producing an extra 2-3 million barrels a day then obviously this would have helped meet the growing demand of other countries.”

You presume — rather naively — that all other petroleum-producing nations wouldn’t adjust their production levels in response.

“Simple supply and demand. Do you dispute the laws of supply and demand?”

I don’t, but you certainly seem to be. For some reason, you don’t seem to think that any other producers would cut their production levels in response ot us raising ours.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:25 am

Dear Fred @ 9:22, good morning, urge you to acquire a dictionary as you obviously do not know the definition of “hypocrite.”

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:27 am

Dr. Sowell today: “People who believe in evolution in biology often believe in creationism in government. In other words, they believe that the universe and all the creatures in it could have evolved spontaneously, but that the economy is too complicated to operate without being directed by politicians.”

Mighty Righty

April 10th, 2012
9:30 am

The Democrat Party has a serious gender gap problem they seem unable to fix. White males vote overwhelmingly Republican. This is as true in the battleground states as in all the other states. Unless the Democrats can find a way to appeal to the people who pay the bills to support the country the future of the Democrat party is in doubt. The Obama policy of demonizing producers is very counter productive if his goal is to improve the economy and reduce unemployment.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
9:30 am

“based on their budget proposal they want to do it AGAIN.”

I would say so does Obama, but that’s a moot point since he IS doing it, RIGHT NOW.

So democrats have foregone the tiniest most minuscule opportunity to criticize conservatives over the deficit.

Bush looks like a miser next to Obama.

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
9:30 am

“In other words, they believe that the universe and all the creatures in it could have evolved spontaneously, but that the economy is too complicated to operate without being directed by politicians.”

Politicians control biological evolution? Who knew?!

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:31 am

Fred: Calling them the Obama Tax Cuts is like saying they were his idea. Instead of calling it the Obama-Boehner Debt and Deficit Deal, which is more accurate. Additionally, they are still the “Bush Tax Cuts” because they were extended with no modification. Had he gotten what he wanted by letting some of them expire for over 250K or 1m, then you might have a point.

Of course as I said before if it makes you feel better to call me “far left” and ignore everything I say as somehow crazy as a result, go for it. I, for one, haven’t completely discounted everything YOU say just because you’ve been a little loopy lately.

TaxPayer

April 10th, 2012
9:32 am

“We need greater use of wind and solar energy, expanded use of clean diesel vehicles, and accelerated research into the batteries needed for plug-in hybrid vehicles. These technologies will help us be better stewards of the environment, and they will help us confront the serious challenge of global climate change.”
George W Bush: ‘Twenty in Ten initiative’ in State of the Union address January 2007

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:33 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:24 am

I have to admit past government investment successes. But for the billions of dollars put into the space program, we would not have Tang.
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Wow wasn’t that a clever comeback. NASA gave us tang. Along with thousands of other thkngs, cordless tools and long range telecommunications among them. RADAR research gave us the microwwave. But let’s not mention the internet that you use to spread your hypocrisy with Ragsie baby. That would just be TOO disingenuous.

using the government researched and paid for internet to complain about the Government paying for research. That’s just to rich………

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
9:33 am

I hold nothing but contempt for those inadequately-educated politicians who think they should play “venture capitalist” with taxpayer funds.

Good thing that the decision makers have common sense. It would be impossible for us to be where we are without our interstate system and space program, for starters. Without government putting money behind those two things, we’d be a 3rd world country.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
9:34 am

K71 — “The death tax increases from 35 to 55%, total exemptions from 5M to 3.5M and the expiration of business to fully expense new capital investments. All in all, 494B in new taxes. What was that famous campaign saying?;;;;”If you make less than 250K, you will not owe a single dime of additional taxes”.

If you’re worried about the exemption decrease, you’re already making over 250K. Fail.

The promise regarding 250K was clearly aimed at individuals, not at businesses. Fail.

And inheritance taxes don’t have a thing to do with wage or salary income. Fail.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:35 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:25 am

Dear Fred @ 9:22, good morning, urge you to acquire a dictionary as you obviously do not know the definition of “hypocrite.”
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Hypocrite
2
: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Which would be someone using the government researched and paid for internet to complain about the Government spending money for research.

I would suggest that it is perhaps YOU who has a bit of a reality problem.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:36 am

Adam: He signed them, he owns them. PERIOD. Ask Brocephus lol.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
9:37 am

“Good thing that the decision makers have common sense.”

Hilarious. Bro now defending the government as competent. Pure BS.

TaxPayer

April 10th, 2012
9:37 am

All in all, 494B in new taxes.

Wait a moment. I know it was just the other day that the conned were telling us all how raising the taxes on the wealthiest wouldn’t bring in enough to make a dent in that federal deficit.

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
9:38 am

The Democrat Party has a serious gender gap problem they seem unable to fix. White males vote overwhelmingly Republican.

Yet another example of the consequences of short term thinking. The Democratic Party is not the one with a problem. Seeing as though White males will soon be in the minority, the GOP is the party in trouble if they can’t harness the support of the minorities that will soon make up the majority. You have to look beyond the next 6 months and look at the long term consequences. Unless White males are set on instituting something similar to apartheid, they’re the ones who will see their power greatly diminished over the long term.

Matti the Resistance Fighter

April 10th, 2012
9:39 am

Taxpayer @ 9:32,

You forgot my favorite: “Switchgrass.” GWB, January 2006

Recon 0311 2533

April 10th, 2012
9:39 am

With Santorum’s campaign activities suspended in PA due to his daughters illness, Romney pulled all of his campaign advertising in the state. A class gesture.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:39 am

Yeah, spend less and you need less revenue. I wonder how hard it is for liberals to figure this out

What you do not get kayaker is that spending has gone up at a mathematically steady rate, while revenue has been cut, and wobbled starting in 2001 and 2003, coinciding with the tax cuts. It also wobbled because of the recession. However, what is interesting about that is that none of the prior U.S. recessions since the Great Depression caused such an effect on the revenue stream being steady. This can be attributed to sound fiscal policy mostly, by adjusting taxes and so on to fit what was happening.

Right around 1998, revenue started topping expenditures. That was a sustainable path. And then the tax cuts and wars came. Stimulus spending also increased our spending at the tail end of the data we have. The revenue line, though, took a big hit. You can see the chart of what happened here:

http://www.howprofit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/United-States-Government-Spending.jpg

Now I am sure you would rather throw in the bozo buzz word than admit reality here, but we have BOTH a spending AND a revenue problem. Spending does need to go down, and revenue needs to go up. So far, we have only addressed the spending side in proactive legislation, due to take effect in January 2013. The revenue side will be addressed through doing nothing to extend the tax cuts again, but if any other tinkering is done it could upset that fragile balance. It also won’t make up for years of lost revenue, as well as unnecessary war and drug spending, all on its own.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:40 am

Dear Fred @ 9:35, you never hear me complaining about military research, as it produces useful offspring such as “internet.” I simply object to politicians pretending they are smart enough to be venture capitalists, such as Obama and algae.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
9:40 am

K71 — ” Yeah, spend less and you need less revenue. I wonder how hard it is for liberals to figure this out.”

If you’re *already* in deficit, you need to take in *more* revenue in addition to cutting expenditures. And that’s *extremely hard* for conservatives to understand, because none of their budget proposals increase revenue or keep it flat — every one of them cuts revenue.

That’s like saying ‘well, Honey, we can’t pay the car note this month — guess you have to quit your job.’ It’s nonsense.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:41 am

Fred: He owns two years worth, sure. But not the entirety of their history. Nor does it absolve either side from responsibility over those tax cuts being bad policy.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 10th, 2012
9:42 am

Jm

you say alot of silly stuff!

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:42 am

ragnar: I simply object to politicians pretending they are smart enough to be venture capitalists, such as Obama and algae.

The DoD had this idea first. Why does it suddenly become a bad thing if Obama is pushing it?

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
9:42 am

“Bro now defending the government as competent. Pure BS”

I’m sure our Armed Forces would be interested in your assessment of them as incompetent

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
9:42 am

Hilarious. Bro now defending the government as competent. Pure BS.

Not at all. Without the decision to fund the interstate program, we would not have had the ability to move commercial goods to the extent that we’ve been able to do so since the interstates were built. That system of highways enabled our explosion in manufacturing and trade after WWII.

Also, without the decision to fund the space program, we would not have GPS, satellite tracking, communications, or any other benefits we’ve gained from NASA exploration.

Your rant, however, is pure BS. You always manage to produce the Kobe of BS though.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:43 am

Oh and Adam? You wanted “proof’ of your far left wing characteristics? Your inability to find any shred of fault or “wrongness” in ANYTHING that Brother Barry does is a sure sign. Your unwavering support and loyalty couple with your inability to hold him accountable for anything is sure enough a “sign.”

Jm

April 10th, 2012
9:44 am

Taxpayer 9:37

It won’t. 484B over 10 years when over that same time frame the government will spend approximately $45 TRILLION is nothing but a drop in the bucket

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:46 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:40 am

Dear Fred @ 9:35, you never hear me complaining about military research, as it produces useful offspring such as “internet.” I simply object to politicians pretending they are smart enough to be venture capitalists, such as Obama and algae.
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So is that post hypocrisy or lies? There have been enough links posted showing that the MILITARY IE Navy supports this research that it can only be one of the other.

So are you a liar or a hypocrite? Inquiring minds want to know. I am only holding YOU to the value of your own words. I am making nothing up. I use your words, dictionary definitions, and logic.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:46 am

Fred: You must have missed my criticisms of Obama. Things like overuse of executive power, drone strikes, signing bills instead of vetoing them just because he knew the veto would get overridden, his support of questionable oil production and big oil initiatives, etc. Oh well. I’m sure that stuff will come up again.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:46 am

Dear Adam @ 9:42, good question: “The DoD had this idea first. Why does it suddenly become a bad thing if Obama is pushing it?” If DoD abandoned it, there was a good reason. Obama seems to be obsessed with pushing bad ideas. He is not content pushing his own, but seemingly embraces every lousy idea ever floated, e.g., the individual mandate that originated as a brain fart at Heritage.

The Thin Guy

April 10th, 2012
9:46 am

Last!

Egads. This could be the greatest scientific and technological breakthrough since the invention of Mr. Microphone, The Clapper, and Mood Rings. Take all your Carbon Credits and buy a pond. Scrape the algae off your toes and put it in a mayonnaise jar. Better than the Lost Dutchman Mine.

If Jay can sell this he can become a spokesperson for The Chevy Dolt. Or replace Vince on TV doing those Shamwell commercials.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:48 am

ragnar: My understanding is that the DoD is still researching algae. If you have information that they “abandoned” it, please present it.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:49 am

Bella’s most recent hospitalization led GOP front-runner Mitt Romney to suspend his attack ads against Santorum on Monday, but now that the former Pennsylvania senator is heading back to the campaign trail, the ads are likely to be back on the airwaves imminently.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:49 am

Dear Fred @ 9:46, THE NAVY is not pushing this, but every organization has bureaucrats pushing their own agendas. Sometimes those bureaucrats get appointed to levels above their paygrades, and start pushing silly ideas.

kayaker 71

April 10th, 2012
9:50 am

Adam, 9:39,

You get a credit card. It has a max of 10K and an interest rate of 21%. You run up debts large enough to max out the card. Then you apply for another card with the same limits and interest. Then another, then another. Now you have debts at 40K with interest at 21%. You then pay only the minimum on each of the accounts aware of the fact that it will take most of your lifetime to pay them off. Oh, perhaps another solution would be to change the name on the card…. perhaps one of your grandchildren. Failing that, you could take the path of Greece and just forget the debt all together or borrow from someone like Germany to bail you out. Or be like the federal reserve and just print more money.
That’s where we are in this country…… a bunch of maxed out credit cards with a bunch of money hungry politicians spending our money like it was theirs. With no accountability. This idiocy is killing us.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
9:51 am

R. Danneskjold — “Sometimes those bureaucrats get appointed to levels above their paygrades, and start pushing silly ideas.”

Reince Priebus’ ears just started burning.

TaxPayer

April 10th, 2012
9:52 am

If only Republicans understood a little science. Sadly, I think our education system is failing Republicans. We must learn to be more patient with them and give them a chance to vent and air their frustration as they struggle to understand science. It’s complex, like math and we need to help Republicans learn. We owe to their children as well as ours.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:52 am

Dear Fred @ 9:46, I don’t think you will find the Navy trying to process algae into usable fuel while at sea. The only vehicles in the Navy using anything other than nuclear are better advised using more traditional resources, as algae is highly unlikely to have a valuable military application.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
9:53 am

K71 — “That’s where we are in this country…… a bunch of maxed out credit cards with a bunch of money hungry politicians spending our money like it was theirs. With no accountability. This idiocy is killing us.”

I agree. So why aren’t Republicans getting serious about reducing the public debt? They’re serious about cutting costs, and that’s great, but it’s only half the problem. The other half of the problem is retiring outstanding public debt, and you can’t do that when all the budgets you present STILL involve deficit spending.

From what I can tell, both Ds and Rs are going to continue deficit spending for the foreseeable future — so I don’t see how those maxed-out credit cards are ever going to get paid off.

TaxPayer

April 10th, 2012
9:54 am

Jm,

How much does Ryan’s budget reduce the deficit and debt per year, on average?

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:54 am

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:48 am

ragnar: My understanding is that the DoD is still researching algae. If you have information that they “abandoned” it, please present it.
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NOW who are you trying to kid Adam? Ragsie actually produce EVIDENCE?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and the jokes just keep coming.

He produces nothing but recycled passages from that over bloated book the amped up meth ho refugee from Russia wrote.

stands for decibels

April 10th, 2012
9:56 am

Seeing as though White males will soon be in the minority

Well, technically speaking, white males never were an actual *majority* in this country.

(We just acted like we wuz.)

/drive-by

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:56 am

Dear Adam @ 9:48, probably the same section that stares at goats.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:56 am

kayaker: Your analogy is not comparable. First of all, the interest rates the government gets are far lower than that. Second of all, they can technically borrow infinitely, which I think you tried to portray. Third, the government has no children or grandchildren, it lives from generation to generation. Finally, you’re still missing the point – year-by year revenue has to top spending in order to bring the deficit down. Therefore, revenue has to go up and spending has to go down if you want to be responsible about it.

Think about it like this: You have the option to get about 10-20% more pay each year, and you have the opportunity to cut down your expenses by roughly the same amount. Your spending cuts put you just above your current revenue level, eaning you will still be accruing debt if you only do the spending cuts.

Republican solution: Only do the spending cuts, but do less of them. Also, ask your boss to cut your pay.

Democrat solution: Take the pay increase, take the spending decrease, but in a different way than was suggested by the Republican “spouse.”

Paul

April 10th, 2012
9:56 am

ragnar

“If DoD abandoned it, there was a good reason.”

“IF DoD abandoned it”

They haven’t.

They continue to fund it.

They have multiple contracts and have set goals for use.

Navy and Air Force are heavily invested. Service chiefs consider it a national security issue.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:57 am

Dear Fred @ various times, are you suggesting that you think Obama-as-venture-capitalist makes sense?

Adam

April 10th, 2012
9:58 am

Fred: Well you can’t blame me for trying, even though it might come off as satirical, I actually DID think he had some evidence to support it…. oh well.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
9:58 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:52 am

Dear Fred @ 9:46, I don’t think you will find the Navy trying to process algae into usable fuel while at sea. The only vehicles in the Navy using anything other than nuclear are better advised using more traditional resources, as algae is highly unlikely to have a valuable military application.
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Lies or hypocrisy Ragsie, lies or hypocrisy? Which is it? Gotta be one or the other. Of course there IS a third possibility, and that is that you are spewing for this vomitus without a single clue as to the subject under discussion, but you’ll never admit that. So it’s gotta be that you are a liar or a hypocrite. More proof linked below.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-military-boosts-its-use-algae-based-fuels

Jm

April 10th, 2012
9:59 am

Bro. If there was ever an era of competent government, it ended long ago.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:00 am

Dear Paul @ 9:56, we can agree that a steady supply of energy is vital to the military mission. If your commander in chief precludes normal sources, such as domestic oil production from public lands, you may grasp at more desperate alternatives. That does not mean the commander in chief is competent in his choices.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
10:01 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
9:57 am

Dear Fred @ various times, are you suggesting that you think Obama-as-venture-capitalist makes sense?
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Dobn’t put words in my mouth or try to change the subject Ragsie. Just answer the question on the table. Are you a liar, a hypocrite, OR perhaps just (as usual) grossly uninformed, but too arrogant to admit it?

Jm

April 10th, 2012
10:01 am

Bro

What’s so funny about this is you get on here any and rave about how stupid the government is frequently

Now you may be jus criticizing republican government officials, but they’re still part of the government

Wake up pal. You been smoking a lot of hypocrisy this AM.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:02 am

Dear Fred @ 9:58, I can understand your attempt to depict every disagreeing opinion as either hypocrisy or a lie – that sort of limitation of thought is all too characteristic of mob rule.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
10:04 am

Taxpayer 9:54

Not determinable as of this time in it’s entirety. The reduced spending is huge though, and that is a deficit reducer.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:04 am

Dear Fred @ 9:58, nothing you have posted makes government-as-venture-capitalist make any sense. The community organizer simply does not have that sort of training, he is an attorney and is financially illiterate.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
10:05 am

Ryan plan spends $5.3 Trillion less over 10 years

Bam. Huge savings. 11 times the size of the buffett tax.

Paul

April 10th, 2012
10:06 am

ragnar 9:56

You seem to have a marvelous ability to hold forth with lengthy lectures upon subjects in which you are quite uninformed.

DARPA’s (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) began their initiatives under the Bush Administration.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
10:07 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:02 am

Dear Fred @ 9:58, I can understand your attempt to depict every disagreeing opinion as either hypocrisy or a lie – that sort of limitation of thought is all too characteristic of mob rule.
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Don’t lie Ragsie. I don’t try to depict anything as lies except lies. i have shown your words and the definiton. i have shown where your words are blatantly false. Don’t try to use “logic” because you don;t know how. All you know how to do is obfuscate and dodge.

Right now you have lied about the algae issue. Or you are a blatant hypocrite about it. Or both. Or perhaps the third and final option, which is that you pulled words out of your ass and posted them without a single shred of knowledge on the subject. Those are the ONLY three options. It’s not a matter of “opinion” here as the facts have been clearly been presented.

You’ve been nailed and one again shown to be incompetent and irrelevant.

bob

April 10th, 2012
10:07 am

The same group that tells us that our heads are stuck in the sand defend Social Security. Many things can be improved on including energy. We should look at new things every once in a while to see if there are proven examples where we can improve yet we continue to force SOME people to dump money into an 80 year old PONZI. Algae would be great but after 30 years we still can’t fill up on it at quick trip, let me know when I can. But lets look at all things that can be improved on, not just energy.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:07 am

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Fred @ 9:58, nothing you have posted makes government-as-venture-capitalist make any sense.”

Good thing we didn’t wait for private industry to develop the A-bomb during WWII.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:08 am

Jm — “Ryan plan spends $5.3 Trillion less over 10 years”

And still doesn’t eliminate deficit spending.

HIPPOCRIT

April 10th, 2012
10:09 am

if Obama would have used 1/3 of his stimulus to fund algae based oil production it would be up and running………….. it would have been better than the waste he spent it on……….. we could’ve converted our commercial diesel fleet to algae based bio-diesel….. then use more domestic oil for personal fleet consumption………… this would reduce imported oil and keep more money in US economy as money multiplier

once the infrastructure was up and running it wouldn’t be long before the oil co’s and the utility companies would start COMPETING for the market……….. if they balk then foreign companies would come in and spur them

Jm

April 10th, 2012
10:09 am

Ignoring the fact that Obama isn’t picking the DOE winners for a moment, truer words were never spoken.

“The community organizer simply does not have that sort of training, he is an attorney and is financially illiterate.”

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
10:09 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:04 am

Dear Fred @ 9:58, nothing you have posted makes government-as-venture-capitalist make any sense. The community organizer simply does not have that sort of training, he is an attorney and is financially illiterate.
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Nothing I have posted about using yak dung as a venture capitol investment makes sense either as I have not posted about yak dung until nopw either.

Are you delusional Ragsie? Your repeated attempts to put words in my mouth are transparent to everyone. You are not Rush Limbaugh and I’m not one of his sheep so repeating a lie over and over isn;t going to make it true on this forum. Try using the truth Ragsie. It will set you free……..

Adam

April 10th, 2012
10:10 am

Need sheetz! I know it’s Tuesday, but… :D

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
10:10 am

Bro. If there was ever an era of competent government, it ended long ago.

Yep, soon as the current wave of conservatism swept into power. I’d estimate around the time Reagan took office.

What’s so funny about this is you get on here any and rave about how stupid the government is frequently

Grasshopper, you must pay close attention to the words I speak if you ever wish to take the pebble from my hand. I don’t rave about stupid government. I rant about stupid politicians. Those two things are NOT the same. I have worked from within the government long enough to know that much of the problem is not the workers themselves, but it is the rules and environment they are required to work within that causes the issues. Also, I don’t just limit my rants to Republicans. If you ever notice, I’ll usually say ALL politicians because I don’t trust them any farther than I can throw them.

I’m not smoking anything, and you are the one that needs to pay more attention. I’m very steady when it comes to my displeasure with elected officials.

Paul

April 10th, 2012
10:11 am

ragnar

“Dear Fred @ 9:58, nothing you have posted makes government-as-venture-capitalist make any sense. The community organizer simply does not have that sort of training, he is an attorney and is financially illiterate.”

By that line of reasoning, we shouldn’t have a National Institute of Health or the Centers for Disease Control as the president is not a physician.

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
10:11 am

“Need sheetz!”

Here you go: http://www.sheetz.com/main/

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
10:12 am

once the infrastructure was up and running it wouldn’t be long before the oil co’s and the utility companies would start COMPETING for the market……….. if they balk then foreign companies would come in and spur them

Ahhhhh you can always spot the talk radio “educated” folks. No mention of the fact that the oil companies are FOREIGN OWNED or that the refineries are FOREIGN OWNED lol.

No real facts anywhere in there, just a really nice sounding fairy tale……….

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:12 am

Dear Paul @ 10:06, you make the error of citing an individual-endorsement as proof of the “genius” of an idea. Most of us conservatives thought President Bush erroneously wasted money on futile projects, mostly non-military. To the extent that this algae-alchemy is attributable to former President Bush, it was a bad idea. I understand leftists think President Obama would not embrace bad ideas of President Bush, but they err.

Dear Fred @ 10:07, you obviously think the community organizer in chief is a primo venture capitalist. I continue to disagree.

Dear Joe @ 10:07, we agree that military research into military applications is often productive. “Algae” fits that mold only to the extent that one blocks development of normal proven resources.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
10:13 am

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
10:14 am

Holy beejeebers Did Jay go out and tie one on last night or something? It’s time for some new sheets. At LEAST open a damn window and air this place out. The stench of BS (kobe or not) is over powering.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
10:14 am

JHM not entirely but close

Now you know the scale of the problem

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:14 am

Dear Fred @ 10:11, I agree with the idea of abolishing NIH.

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
10:14 am

“By that line of reasoning, we shouldn’t have a National Institute of Health or the Centers for Disease Control as the president is not a physician”

Nor is he an aerospace engineer – we should have NASA. He’s not a park ranger – we shouldn’t have nation parks. He’s not a professional forester – we shouldn’t have nation forests either.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:15 am

Dear Paul @ 10:11, I apologize for calling you Fred @ 10:14. Simple apology for what could otherwise be actionable slander.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
10:15 am

And Ragsie continues to be delusional lol. Well I was bored this morning so I addressed him.

Fred ™

April 10th, 2012
10:16 am

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:15 am

Dear Paul @ 10:11, I apologize for calling you Fred @ 10:14. Simple apology for what could otherwise be actionable slander.
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So now Ragsie attempts insults to divert from his lies. Sweet.

He’s so simple to poke holes in.

Paul

April 10th, 2012
10:16 am

ragnar

It wasn’t President Bush’s bad idea. It was the military services who originated the idea as a result of their assessment of world oil supply sources.

You really should read a bit before you put forth as a knowledgeable commentator..

Unless you just like the attention.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:16 am

Dear Adam @ 10:13, please tell us this was academia on its own, without government funding.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:17 am

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:07, we agree that military research into military applications is often productive. “Algae” fits that mold only to the extent that one blocks development of normal proven resources.”

Rejected. As the capitalist evergreen saying goes, success is not finite. The success of one program does not prevent or inhibit the success of another.

Besides, are you really suggesting that biochemical research into algal fuels is somehow preventing the search for and assessment of petroleum reserves? I don’t think that’s what you mean to say, but it certainly seems to be what you’re suggesting.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:17 am

Dear Paul @ 10:16, if President Bush did not “originate” the idea, he is culpable under respondeat superior. No mercy for waste.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:19 am

Jm — “JHM not entirely but close”

It doesn’t even come close. The entire ten years worth of estimated savings doesn’t even cover ONE YEAR worth of deficit spending under the Ryan plan.

“Now you know the scale of the problem”

I already KNOW the scale of the problem. And both sides are acting like it doesn’t exist.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:19 am

Dear Joe @ 10:17, fair analysis, what I attempt to communicate is that “people investing their own monies” are more likely to invest wisely than those who play with “other people’s money.” Government ought not be a venture capitalist. If Monsanto wants to spend their money, have at it. Don’t raise taxes in order to waste taxpayer monies.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:20 am

Doggone — “Nor is he an aerospace engineer – we should have NASA. He’s not a park ranger – we shouldn’t have nation parks. He’s not a professional forester – we shouldn’t have nation forests either.”

But Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house! :D

(yes, I know she didn’t actually say it, but I thought it was funny)

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:21 am

The biggest potential payoff in energy research is in nuclear fusion. Nobody can afford it, nobody really has an idea how to make it work. Thus government spends.

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
10:22 am

Unless you just like the attention.

I’d go that route if I were you. Just sayin’…

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:24 am

R. Danneskjold — “Government ought not be a venture capitalist. If Monsanto wants to spend their money, have at it. Don’t raise taxes in order to waste taxpayer monies.”

No venture is guaranteed; even private capital falls short more often than it picks a winner.

If you’re objecting to ‘waste’ in investment or venture schemes, then you should be in support of putting Glass-Steagall back in place in order to prevent investment banks from ‘wasting’ Federally-insured depositor monies. Permitting them to place risky bets with depositor monies and then leaving taxpayers on the hook for bad investment bets is ALSO not a government function.

barking frog

April 10th, 2012
10:24 am

Jay now has the morning and evening edition an old newspaper tradition.

Jm

April 10th, 2012
10:25 am

JHM

The 10 year deficit projection is between $7 trillion and $4 trillion depending on which assumption set you use.

The Ryan plan would essentially fix the deficit by bringing it to manageable levels. I’d love it if we ran a surplus, but I’m just asking for some sanity at the moment.

Adam

April 10th, 2012
10:25 am

Dear Adam @ 10:13, please tell us this was academia on its own, without government funding.

Good lord. That was supposed to be FUNNY, not political.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:26 am

Dear Joe @ 10:24, no rational soul would want more government control – Glass-Steagall is a marvelous example of mindless government constraint.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:27 am

Dear Adam @ 10:25, if it were not true it would be funny. I did not notice – was this The Onion?

Adam

April 10th, 2012
10:30 am

The funny part is – Super Mario is proven by computer science to be hard. Maybe I just find it humorous in a “Duh!” sense. Or maybe it’s just “if you have to explain it…”

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:31 am

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:24, no rational soul would want more government control – Glass-Steagall is a marvelous example of mindless government constraint.”

So are you saying that you’re in favor of allowing investment banks to make risky investment bets with depository bank monies, and then when those bets go south, to lay the losses off onto the FDIC?

If so, then it seems that your complaints about ‘wasting government funds’ are all BS, because you’re giving banks a pass to do exactly that.

Brosephus™

April 10th, 2012
10:33 am

Doggone/GA

April 10th, 2012
10:33 am

“(yes, I know she didn’t actually say it, but I thought it was funny)”

Yep, it was funny…but not half as funny as the justification that she had international experience because you can see Russia from Alaska (which, on a clear day, and on the right spot…you can)

Intown

April 10th, 2012
10:34 am

Good points Bookman.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:34 am

Dear Joe @ 10:31, where did you get the idea that I thought the Paulson-Geithner bail out of Goldman Sachs was beneficial to the US taxpayer? Typical overlord manipulation of the market, such as the topic today.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:36 am

Dear Joe @ 10:34, the institutionalization of “too-big-to-fail” did not become law until the Obama administration, with Dodd-Frank. Another bad idea.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:39 am

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:31, where did you get the idea that I thought the Paulson-Geithner bail out of Goldman Sachs was beneficial to the US taxpayer? Typical overlord manipulation of the market, such as the topic today.”

I said nothing about the bailout. Please pay attention, Rags.

Glass-Steagall placed a wall between institutions with both depository and investment branches. It prevented the investment activity from using depositor funds for riskier investments. The repeal of Glass-Steagall gave investment banks the green light to go ahead and use depositors’ money for risky investment bets like CDOs and the like — and when those banks failed, they just laid the losses off onto the FDIC, so we the taxpayers ended up footing the bill for the risky bank bets.

In short, you seem to have a big problem with government ‘wasting’ taxpayer money, but no problem at all with *businesses* ‘wasting; taxpayer money. Perhaps you could clarify your position in that regard.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:41 am

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:34, the institutionalization of “too-big-to-fail” did not become law until the Obama administration, with Dodd-Frank. Another bad idea.”

Rejected. That notion’s been around for much, much longer, and supported by governments led by both parties.

I’m interested in *your* position, not the government’s. Frankly, I think you’re either a hypocrite or else you’re uninformed on this topic and don’t really realize what you’re saying.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:44 am

Dear Joe @ 10:39, until Glass-Steagall no investment bank had a grip on taxpayer money. It is only modern leftism that thinks big private entities should have taxpayer support, and government control.

Glass Steagall was a response to a false issue, the oft-repeated lie that the “stock market crash” caused the Great Depression. Six months after the stock market crash, the unemployment rate was still 6%. It was only when the government started to intervene in the market that the problem turned “long-term.”

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:45 am

Dear Joe @ 10:41, did my 10:44 answer your query? I have a much longer version that is good reading.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
10:46 am

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:39, until Glass-Steagall no investment bank had a grip on taxpayer money. It is only modern leftism that thinks big private entities should have taxpayer support, and government control.”

Fail. The *repeal* of Glass-Steagall permitted investment banks to lay off their losses (with depositor money) onto the FDIC.

Never mind, Rags, I have my answer. You’re not a hypocrite on this issue, primarily because you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Have a nice day.

ragnar danneskjold

April 10th, 2012
10:48 am

Dear Joe @ 10:46, you err – Dodd-Frank is what gives investment banks Federal protection.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 10th, 2012
11:46 am

R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:46, you err – Dodd-Frank is what gives investment banks Federal protection.”

You err. Glass-Steagall placed a barricade between investment and depository banking. When it was repealed, it only took a few years for investment bankers to blow through depositors’ money on bad investment bets and then tell the FDIC ‘it’s your problem now.’

Dodd-Frank was a halfhearted, after-the-fact attempt to put the Glass-Steagall protections back in place. You have some reading to do, Rags.

fatalgae

April 10th, 2012
1:53 pm

Exxon investment in algae $600m

Bill Gates investment in algae $100m

Think Exxon and Bill Gates have been had?

kelly

April 10th, 2012
3:36 pm

I, for one, am happy that my tax dollars go for things besides the war machine. The government has always played a role supporting research in partnership with the private sector. From medicine, to space travel, to atomic energy. We cannot put our heads in the sand because we don’t like a particular project or because of alleged cronyism. Do you think military contractors are not cronies? This country is supposed to be a joint venture, with all of us contributing.

R Hauge

April 12th, 2012
12:06 pm

Origin Oil (OOIL) released an article several weeks ago stating that Gas or Diesel to be processed for $2.28 per gal. They have a cheap single step extraction, no chemicals, wet harvest, that they will lic. to other companies. This doable Now, for the companies wanting to do business with them.
They just released a test model for companies to try out.