ALEC’s secret influence on state laws, legislators

ALEC — the American Legislative Exchange Council — is a corporate-funded organization based in Washington that provides training, support and other services to conservative state legislators all over the country.

One of its prime functions is to draft business-friendly “model legislation” that is then disseminated to state legislators around the country to be introduced and enacted. When you see a spate of similar bills suddenly pop up almost simultaneously in legislatures around the country, ALEC is almost always behind it.

For example, an increasing number of businesses are trying to get around minimum-wage, workers’ comp and overtime requirements by reclassifying their employees as “franchisees” — independent contractors with a business relationship to the larger company.

It’s a particularly popular approach in the janitorial-services industry. Instead of thousands of janitors on its payroll, a company will have thousands of “independent contractors” who supposedly operate as franchisees. Suddenly, none of the workplace laws apply, and workers are stripped of most of the legal protections they would otherwise enjoy.

ALEC is now championing passage of state laws that would make it hard if not impossible to legally challenge claims that workers are “independent contractors” or franchisees. Eearlier this year, with passage of House Bill 548, Georgia became the first state in the country to pass ALEC-drafted legislation on the issue, much to the glee of the International Franchise Association.

This year, Georgia legislators also spent what seemed to be an inordinate amount of time and energy congratulating themselves for passing a bill that put new restrictions on the scrap-metal recycling industry. But after reading the bill and comparing it to ALEC’s model legislation, their excitement became a little more understandable. (By the way, state Sen. Chip Rogers, the Senate majority leader, is national treasurer for ALEC.)

For years, ALEC operated below the radar and in relative secrecy, but more recently its efforts have begun to draw more publicity. An investigation by a New Jersey newspaper, for example, has documented that many of the education bills championed by Gov. Chris Christie bear an uncanny likeness to model legislation written by ALEC. (Christie’s spokesmen say that is a coincidence). The spate of voter-suppression bills popping up around the country — many of them ALEC-driven — have further raised the group’s profile and created controversy. ALEC also championed many of the “stand-your-ground” gun laws passed in recent years.

As an apparent result of that controversy, Atlanta-based Coca-Cola announced this week that it was ending its relationship with ALEC. “We have a longstanding policy of not taking positions on issues that don’t have a direct bearing on our company or on our industry,” a company spokesman said. Coke’s main rival, Pepsico, had already announced it was breaking ties with ALEC after 10 years.

It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions. However, the secrecy with which it operates and the influence that it wields so quietly are cause for alarm. Its meetings of state legislators are closed to the public, as are its list of donors and members and its database of model legislation (last year a whistleblower released some 800 of those bills, which is how we know what little we know.)

Lobbyists and lawyers who help write ALEC’s model legislation in Washington know the issues quite well; they know all the little ways in which the law can be twisted to their clients’ advantage. Those bills are then taken back home and introduced in state legislatures with no warning of where they originated or who is really behind them. (There are exceptions, of course. Last year a Florida state representative introduced a resolution calling for lower corporate income taxes, but forgot to strip out language indicating it had been written by ALEC.)

The result is a system in which a centralized core of special interests, based in Washington, exert a strong and often untraceable influence on state laws and legislators, many of whom frankly don’t understand or in some cases don’t care how they’re being used.

In our own case, it produces laws drafted not to respond to Georgia problems or to protect Georgia citizens, but to secretly benefit interests that really don’t give a whit about the state.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
10:56 am

*Secret* influence? Jay, really?

more like hidden in plain sight–those skank wh0res in the so called liberal media have been looking the other way on ALEC’s influence for years.

(all right, now I’m going to actually *read* the *whole* post, which is more than what can be said of probably 75% of those who post here.)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
10:57 am

The result is a system in which a centralized core of special interests, based in Washington, exert a strong and often untraceable influence on state laws and legislators, many of whom frankly don’t understand or in some cases don’t care how they’re being used.

Funny that the party that claims to be about less government interference and more personal freedom uses such a centralized special interest group to spread their policy control over the entire nation.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
10:58 am

Its bizarre that anyone would be anti-business. Business and the taxes they pay and that their employees pay are after all what pays the gubment’s bills and enables libs to have an ever burdgeoning nanny state. Sheesh!

Mr. Snarky

April 5th, 2012
10:58 am

I’m shocked that our state legislature has outsourced the drafting of legislation to special interests! Shocked I tell you!
They must be to busy going on junkets and playing free rounds of golf.

Freedom Riders 2012

April 5th, 2012
10:59 am

….and the WAR continues…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM&ob=av2e

Do they think that the American people are that “naive”?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 5th, 2012
10:59 am

NJ Gov Christie

“ALEC who?”

When questioned about GOP bills in NJ that were written by ALEC.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
10:59 am

Ok, I see where you’re going with “secret,” inasmuch many lawmakers are permitted to take ALEC’s verbiage and introduce it as their own without fessing up to who actually authored it.

I still say the media have done an absolutely piss poor job of informing the public about ALEC’s influence.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
11:00 am

Government will never work for the people unless and until we dispense with the legal fiction that corporations and businesses are persons and that they are as deserving of the same protections and rights as individuals are guaranteed in our Constitution.

Corporate interests rarely, if ever, align with the interests of individuals. And in such a situation, the individual’s interests should prevail.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:01 am

“uses such a centralized special interest group to spread their policy control over the entire nation”

Bro,

Yep. And that specialized interest group is there to promote less govt interference, more personal freedom, and more economic freedom- precisely the things you mention.

Or we could have it Obama’s way and continue hamstringing the private sector with over regulation and then sit back and wonder aloud why economic growth under this president has been so anemic.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

stands

“I still say the media have done an absolutely piss poor job of informing the public about ALEC’s influence.”

super duper ultra uber deluxe piss poor job

barking frog

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

ALEC is not to blame,
the legislators are.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

I read it and it is stomach churning. Bravo to Coke and Pepsi for taking a stand. We know our legislators will not. Making the list of those to be voted out now and adding names.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

And this supposedly independent Chris Christie is every bit the anti-labor loon that Scott Walker is, since he too has drawn moral equivalence between the firing of American air traffic controllers and fighting Soviet totalitarianism.

The media have done a piss poor job informing the public of this, as well.

Shawny

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

Way to point out conservative legislators that are practically crooks. Typical.
News flash – they are all crooks.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

super duper ultra uber deluxe piss poor job

Judith Miller proved f-cking wrong double plus piss poor job.

josef

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

Interesting read. Thanks. But, whachagonnadoboutit?”

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

“I see where you’re going with “secret,” inasmuch many lawmakers are permitted to take ALEC’s verbiage and introduce it as their own without fessing up to who actually authored it.’

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stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

I guess what I’m saying, Jay, is that many of your colleagues absolutely suck at their jobs.

but you’re one of the good ones.

Beverly Fraud

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

A LOT of insidious influence in the realm of education on the part of ALEC. Not that education hasn’t brought that on itself with things like WIDESPREAD MASSIVE cheating (that the “bidness” community and the AJC itself all BUT supported-ok, “turned a blind eye to” if that makes you feel better.)

At least when the AJC finally DID look into the cheating, Jay had the integrity to explicitly express buyer’s remorse.

Now ALEC wants to step into this void, under the guise of “choice” (and God knows we need SOMETHING to dismantle the education monolith) but we should all have SERIOUS reservations that their motivation is “for the children”.

No such reservations exists for the departed Hall, Augustine, and company. Their actions showed they had ZERO concern for the best interests of children.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:04 am

Its bizarre that anyone would be anti-business.

Nobody’s anti-business. What you assume is anti-business is actually people against businesses screwing people over without benefit of a reach around. There is a difference. No politician should ever sell out the individual over the wants and desires of the business. Any freedom loving true Conservative should recoil at the idea of the individual being sold out over corporate interests.

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:04 am

“The spate of voter-suppression bills popping up around the country…”

lions and tigers and bears…and malarkey charges of “voter suppression” laws, oh my!

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

April 5th, 2012
11:05 am

What ALEC does to find a way to hide who is truly behind a bill. Unfortunately unless you actually know that particular legislative scheme it is all too easy for corporate influences to distort an already distorted scheme against consumers and small business to be even more favorable to the big monied interests. Slowly real American’s are losing the war and each battle is becoming more critical.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:05 am

So ALEC is corporate sponsored? Who are the sponsors?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:06 am

stands: *Secret* influence? Jay, really?

more like hidden in plain sight

In the FIRST POST you beat me to my first thought. Great minds think alike dude!

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:06 am

And that specialized interest group is there to promote less govt interference, more personal freedom, and more economic freedom- precisely the things you mention.

Hmmm, less government interference by using MORE government interference under a cloak of secrecy no less all the while increasing corporate freedoms at the expense of personal freedoms. Ok… If you’re ok with it, then so be it. Just don’t go back talking about government transparency or I will call you out as a Grade A Hypocrite for supporting ALEC.

Jm

April 5th, 2012
11:07 am

Scary. Where’s my tin foil hat?

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:07 am

“It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions.”

Yep. I’m glad you guys acknowledge that. Thank you very much.

” However, the secrecy with which it operates and the influence that it wields so quietly are cause for alarm. Its meetings of state legislators are closed to the public, as are its list of donors and members and its database of model legislation (last year a whistleblower released some 800 of those bills, which is how we know what little we know.)”

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Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:08 am

Bro: Funny that the party that claims to be about less government interference and more personal freedom uses such a centralized special interest group to spread their policy control over the entire nation.

No conflict there. See, if it’s a centralized group that isn’t the GUBMIT, then it’s totally fine, right?

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:08 am

Yes, google is my friend. Their website is a paragon to the republican faithful. I need some brain bleach.

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:09 am

Don’t have a problem with any law that provides sufficient clarification as to preclude litigation. Don’t know why leftists prefer otherwise.

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:09 am

Ah yes, it’s so “secretive”, a democrat blogger at a fledgling regional newspaper is blogging about it.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

So much for the ‘we don’t need any regulations because people can get all the information they need on their own’ argument.

Any time a person or organization tries to hide what it’s doing, it’s a pretty good indication the know they’d receive condemnation if they operated in the open.

Okay, all you ‘free enterprise/business rules/no regulation” bloggers…. ever heard he phrase ‘willing dupes”?

Jm

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

There’s a nefarious group around every corner. Watch out libs. Better start packing. :)

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

It is a shame that leftists have larded up the employment laws such that there is such a strong preference for independent contractors among rational employers.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

OH NOES, lions and tigers and bears. A business group wants to craft legislation for a more business friendly environment. OH NOES!!!! How dreadful

What we really needs to do is make it as hard on business as possible. That way less of this evil thing we call business will take place. And that means less of these evil businesses will employ fewer people and pay less taxes. And our welfare state wants less taxes, less of that business stuff, and less folks employed. We don’t need them evil business folks jobs, taxes paid, or none of that. We just fine getting everything from the gubment.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

I would bet dollars to donuts the usual suspects here did not read Jay’s article.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

Thulsa

“Its bizarre that anyone would be anti-business. Business and the taxes they pay and that their employees pay are after all what pays the gubment’s bills and enables libs to have an ever burdgeoning nanny state. Sheesh!”

That sounds as if you’re advocating absolutely no laws, regulations or controls over business.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

Speaking of ALEC, some months back I was tooling around in a rental car somewhere in America’s Great Plains. Crackling over the airwaves was an interview by Terri Gross, on NPR’s “Fresh Air”—she was interviewing an New Yorker reporter who had done a fine feature-length piece on the influence of ALEC on local legislation across the fruited plain.

I hadn’t actually read that piece yet, I might not have noticed it, had it not for the happenstance of me driving around and looking for something of interest to listen to.

And it was at that moment I resolved to (and soon after, actually did) contribute financially to that prairie-sited NPR affiliate, even though it is hell and gone from where I live, or where I will any time soon again likely tune in to listen. Because without us getting the backs of those very few people who do the honest work of enlightening the public, who the hell will?

(Funny thing is, Terri Gross really isn’t, usually, the conduit through which a lot of hard news analysis routinely passes. Just happenstance this time.)

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

Need more investigative reporting on the gop corruption.

Thanks.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 5th, 2012
11:12 am

No surprise that the corporatists amongst us see nothing wrong with lobbyist groups in Washington writing laws for the state legislatures to enact.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:12 am

I would bet dollars to donuts the usual suspects here did not read Jay’s article.

You’re lucky if they bother to read the frickin’ lede. Usually it’s just the headline, and they’re off to the races.

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:12 am

The essay suggest how perverse our society has become, anything that does not have websites, facebooks, and twitter feeds must be nefarious. Paranoia, anyone?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

Paul,

It is doomy.

Nuff said.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

stands: I still say the media have done an absolutely piss poor job of informing the public about ALEC’s influence.

You mean there ISN’T a liberal media? ;)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

Paul @ 9:10

Precisely. However, I bet you’ll never get any of the believers to explain how their beliefs co-exist with legislators who feed off ALEC’s influence.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

“No conflict there”- Adam

“It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions.”- Jay

Its a beautiful thing when liberals can answer each other’s questions.

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:14 am

I think we all celebrate how open MoveOn was, with its funding and with its programs.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:14 am

That sounds as if you’re advocating absolutely no laws, regulations or controls over business.

That’s the New Age Conservative outlook. If it worked in the late 1800’s, it will work now. :roll:

Talking Head

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

Washington is bought and paid for by corporations, which trickles down to the State level, then the Counties, then the Cities.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

ByteMe-thanks. you beat me to it. Amazing list of polluters, insurance companies, etc. Way past time for some exposure and I imagine companies will be following Coke’s lead soo enough.

Fred ™

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

Geez Jay, you REALLY need to get a Big Green Egg. If it takes you THIS long to do a pork butt on a Weber……………….

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

ty and I agree that ALEC isn’t really that secretive.

I guess that makes you a far left fanatic ty ;)

Fred ™

April 5th, 2012
11:16 am

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

“No conflict there”- Adam

“It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions.”- Jay

Its a beautiful thing when liberals can answer each other’s questions.
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Thulsa: Adam’s NOT a liberal don’tcha know? HE claims not to be anyway……………

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:17 am

Thulsa Doom: Yep. And that specialized interest group is there to promote less govt interference, more personal freedom, and more economic freedom- precisely the things you mention.

ALEC’s goals are not more personal freedom, and only “less government interference” and “economic freedom” insofar as it helps their goals, even if that means excluding other corporations or people.

See, they don’t support blanket “freedom” or “less interference” any more than faux libertarians do.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:17 am

Bless you, Jay Bookman. Though the neocons desperately want to live in their blissful, self-destructive ignorance, I do not.

And the service you provide is the antidote to their diseased indolence and servile compliance.

ALEC, like the Chamber of Commerce is a destructive travesty.

Their insane goal is simple – to empower the perverted corporatocracy, and the tiny few who have amassed almost all of the wealth and power, and to disempower the god given rights of millions of working class of Americans.

Including themselves!???

I know it is rhetorical to ask, but why, in the name of god, are these Republicans so contemptuous of their families and their futures as working Americans?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:18 am

ragnar: It is a shame that the government have larded up the employment laws such that there is such a strong preference for independent contractors among profiteers.

FYT

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:19 am

adam,
I’m so far “right”, that I’m “left”…or vise versa.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:19 am

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:17 am
Bless you, Jay Bookman. Though the neocons desperately want to live in their blissful, self-destructive ignorance, I do not.

And the service you provide is the antidote to their diseased indolence and servile compliance.

ALEC, like the Chamber of Commerce is a destructive travesty.

Their insane goal is simple – to empower the perverted corporatocracy, and the tiny few who have amassed almost all of the wealth and power, and to disempower the god given rights of millions of working class of Americans.

Including themselves!???

I know it is rhetorical to ask, but why, in the name of god, are these Republicans so contemptuous of their families and their futures as working Americans?

Because they are the ME generation.

Thomas

April 5th, 2012
11:20 am

For example, an increasing number of businesses are trying to get around minimum-wage, workers’ comp and overtime requirements by reclassifying their employees as “franchisees” — independent contractors with a business relationship to the larger company.

Why are you putting franchisees in quotes? You are aware that a large part of the US small business economy is operated through a franchise? Have you been to a Waffle House? Have you been to a Burger King? You are aware that the IRS has authority to force the W-2 versus independent contractor model? You are aware this is and continues to be litigated in NY with regard to Fed X drivers? You are aware that Jani King, Service Master, and others are covered by UFOC franchise disclosure documents when they offer janitorial franchises? You are aware that said UFOCs are publically available?

Go back to grilling as you were doing yesterday.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:20 am

Paul,

Nope. Not at all. Just saying that a more business friendly environment is good for for us all. We can be very busy friendly like the Asian tigers and have a growing, healthy economy. Or we can go the European route and have a heavy regulatory environment, an anti-business climate, and go into stagnation,decline and massive debt much like much of Western Europe. Its a simple choice really.

Yesterday I saw an interesting thing about regulation somewhere in Ohio. A new ordinace where if you want to put up flyers for a lost dog you have to first obtain a govt permit to do so. Can gubment get any more crazy or ridiculous? Don’t they have better things to do then sit around all day thinking of new crap to come up with to pester either people or business? If they don’t then perhaps a little downsizing of the bloated bureaucracy at all levels is in order.

Doomy prediction- knee jerk responses about no regulations meaning Rs want dirty air, dirty water, miners working in unsafe mines, child labor run amuck, coming up in
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Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:21 am

Fred: Of course I’m liberal on a lot of issues. But you say “far left fanatic,” which is very different.

Where do I stand on big oil and gun laws? Surely since I am a far left fanatic, you know the answers to these questions without even looking for my words on the subject.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:21 am

adam,
I’m so far “right”, that I’m “left”…or vise versa.

I am of the opinion that politics isn’t as simple as being able to place every position on a straight line, or a circle.

King of Everything

April 5th, 2012
11:21 am

There is a perception in this country that you cannot be pro-business and pro-workers at the same time. They must be pitted against each other. Why lawmakers consistently come down on the side of businesses to the detriment of workers? They are paid campaign contributions to do so. Capitalism at its best.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:22 am

td: Rather, I am of the opinion you cannot place every political position on a circumference of a circle such that it simply loops along a 1 dimensional plane.

GOB

April 5th, 2012
11:23 am

Stands – did you hear the second half of the show when she interviewed the head of ALEC for his response? Yikes. The guy claimed that it was democracy in action and that EVERYONE had a seat at the table. The corporations who actually wrote the legislation were there, and obviously because he (the head of ALEC) was there, the people were represented.

He couldn’t understand that he didn’t represent the population of the various states where this legislation was going to sent and passed. His point was was that as long as he was in the room, “the people” were in the room.

I don’t remember the exact process, but I believe that the company writing the legislation had the authority to make the final revisions on all model legislation.

godless heathen©

April 5th, 2012
11:23 am

Becky: “Amazing list of polluters, insurance companies, etc. Way past time for some exposure and I imagine companies will be following Coke’s lead soo enough.”

I suggest that you all follow Byte’s link to the “exposed” corporations involved. Otherwise you may be mislead by Becky’s characterization of them. Is Louisiana Seafood a polluter or an insurance company? How about Time – Warner, and Intuit?

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:24 am

Any bets that any of these neocons had ever even heard of this group, much less read up on the very fist thing about them, before 15 minutes ago?

Or maybe, I’m wrong and they have a deep, working knowledge of this group and have for a long time!

Willfully stupid and fiercely proud of it.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:24 am

Thulsa: Doomy prediction- knee jerk responses about no regulations meaning Rs want dirty air, dirty water, miners working in unsafe mines, child labor run amuck, coming up in

Do you deny that eliminating ALL regulations would create that effect? Do you deny that eliminating specific regulations on those exact activities would have that effect?

Libertarian

April 5th, 2012
11:25 am

Haha…I’d like to see democrats boycotting Wal-Mart :-)

If YOU do not vote...

April 5th, 2012
11:27 am

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:27 am

“ALEC’s goals are not more personal freedom, and only “less government interference” and “economic freedom” insofar as it helps their goals, even if that means excluding other corporations or people.”

“See, they don’t support blanket “freedom” or “less interference” any more than faux libertarians do.”

Adam,

Thank you much for enlightening all of us on the truth or at least your version of the truth of what ALEC is really all about. I’m glad someone on here specializes in ALEC and has a Phd in ALECology. Where did you get your Phd in ALECology? The Lenin institute for the study of capitalist piggism.

massachusetts refugee thug

April 5th, 2012
11:27 am

curious – what does stand your ground and voter registration id legislation have to do with freeing up the business climate?

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

“We can be very busy friendly like the Asian tigers and have a growing, healthy economy.”

Oh yeah….. Air and water quality in China and Vietnam are second to none, great wages that would surely support middle class here in the US, working conditions are like being on vacation………

Oh yes……… The Tigers……. If we could only be more like them

If you are talking South Korea and Tawain……. much improved over what I listed above, however the “tigers” that are really kicking…….. it is a free for all that this country does NOT need

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

adam,
(re: your 11:21) you must’ve not seen the ” “s around left and right.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

What I don’t understand is how ALEC thinks voter IDs promote business interests directly. If there is a direct answer, I want to know what it is. It seems to me it’s indirectly disenfranchising voters who would normally hold legislators’ feet to the fire when it comes to workers’ rights and minimum wage laws, and f that is the case then their goals in that regard are not morally and ethically sound.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

godless-do you not know what Etc. means? seriously?

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:29 am

Haha…I’d like to see democrats boycotting Wal-Mart

Not a Democrat, but I do not put a penny into Wal Mart’s P&L statement.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:29 am

ty: I did. And I appreciate that. We agree on the concept, I am pretty sure.

Doggone/GA

April 5th, 2012
11:29 am

“ALEC is not to blame,
the legislators are.”

I agree

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:30 am

I am a proud democrat and do not patronize walmart-ever.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:30 am

Becky, but as supposed conservatives, they historically have always taken a long term view of things, based on traditional values of taking care of their families, communities and country. And trying to make a better future for their children.

These loons apparently hate their children.

They gleefully cheer on the miniscule number of power brokers who are dismantling almost all of their children’s rights.

Long live the plutocracy!

The answer (to the question of what has gone so wrong in this country) is there is too much power and too much wealth in too few hands and the few control our government and the few create the problems and the injustices for the many and have less and less interest in doing anything about it because they can get away with it. ~Ralph Nader 1996

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:30 am

Thank you much for enlightening all of us on the truth or at least your version of the truth of what ALEC is really all about. I’m glad someone on here specializes in ALEC and has a Phd in ALECology. Where did you get your Phd in ALECology? The Lenin institute for the study of capitalist piggism.

Does that mean you are ready to disavow all of your own comments about what ALEC is about? if not, please show me your credentials first, since you were the first in this conversation between us to to ascribe motives to ALEC. Thanks in advance.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

Talking Head

“Washington is bought and paid for by corporations, which trickles down to the State level, then the Counties, then the Cities.”

Congratulations! You’re the first evah on Jay’s blog to provide a real-life example that “Trickle-down” actually works!

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

What I don’t understand is how ALEC thinks voter IDs promote business interests directly.

Limiting the voter pool to people who will be friendly towards ALEC-friendly candidates does wonders towards helping your political influence propagate throughout the country.

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

ALEC! That’s another one of those numerous organizations funded by the Koch crooks.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

“Do you deny that eliminating ALL regulations would create that effect?”

Nope. Some regulations are sorely needed. No one is saying that they aren’t. And no one is saying eliminate common sense regulations on things like mine safety, child labor, etc.

“Do you deny that eliminating specific regulations on those exact activities would have that effect?”

Nope. And I’m not talking about common sense regulations on the aforementioned activities being dropped. Thanks for pointing out what many of us probably already agree on regarding common sense regulations.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

I admit I had never heard of ALEC until today reading Jay’s blog. Who else here will admit that?

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

Congratulations! You’re the first evah on Jay’s blog to provide a real-life example that “Trickle-down” actually works!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

Woah. “Skank” is banned?

godless heathen©

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

“Any bets that any of these neocons had ever even heard of this group, much less read up on the very fist thing about them, before 15 minutes ago?

Or maybe, I’m wrong and they have a deep, working knowledge of this group and have for a long time!

Willfully stupid and fiercely proud of it.”

I can honestly say that I had not, but I come here to be informed. Unfortunately I also have to endure your stupid insults.

Citizen of the World

April 5th, 2012
11:33 am

Equating “regulation” with “anti-business” is a Republican meme akin to their equating “liberal” with “leech.”

Regulation of business (and a progressive tax system) gave rise to the safety and stability and security that allowed America to grow its large and prosperous middle class. And when all that goes away, which is what the Republicans are working on, say goodbye to your (relatively) secure middle class existence and hello to the sweatshop.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:33 am

“Trickle-down” actually works!

When libs say trickle down economics are they referencing those booming growth supply side economics of Reagan?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:34 am

Thulsa: Thanks for pointing out what many of us probably already agree on regarding common sense regulations.

You’re welcome, and thank YOU for actually answering that directly. Republican candidates have avoided this type of questioning or not taken a stance. I am honestly curious as to why. Democrats are all on record as being for the common sense regulations you listed. Republican candidates – I am not finding their positions being stated on those, unless it’s to say “get rid of minimum wage” or “children should work as janitors.”

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:34 am

godless-you insulted me but I forgive you. It is what democrats must do daily.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:34 am

guess it’s not. No idea why my post @ 11.32 is moderated.

Anyway, GOB, I don’t remember the ALEC rebuttal; I must have heard it, though, because I had miles to go before I slept, that evening I was listening.

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
11:35 am

So, in the 90’s it was “woo hoo, I got a salary and a title, who needs overtime I’m movin up” now it’s “I’m an Independent Contractor, a business unto myself”. You can get away with a lot if you play to one’s ego.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:35 am

Thomas

I read Jay’s piece, not as applying to someone who owns a Burger King franchise, but as applying to a company who take a segment of workers – janitors, accounting, advertising, whatever – and telling them “you are no longer employed by us. You’re an independent contractor. You’re going to get paid $X for doing the job and that’s all you’re going to get. Oh, and btw, these are the new work requirements.”

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
11:35 am

godless-do you not know what Etc. means? seriously?

As a Real American, he refuses to learn those communist furriner words.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:36 am

are they referencing those booming growth supply side economics of Reagan?

Please provide evidence that Reagan’s supply side economics model worked, and that he never altered it to include tax increases and demand side. Thanks in advance.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:37 am

“I am a proud democrat and do not patronize walmart-ever.”

Good for you! I’m certain they sorely miss your business. Now go patronize target or some other chain like Walmart that has essentially the same or similar bidness practices.

RB from Gwinnett

April 5th, 2012
11:37 am

I guess Jay thinks it would be better for each state to expend its own resources to write brand new. Ills to accomplish the same thing other states are trying to accomplish. Tell us Jay, does the AJC us templates to format it’s “news” paper every day or they start every day from scratch?

What’s the difference?

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:37 am

Thulsa

It seems to me that when people discuss certain regulations on a case by case basis that it’s pretty easy to reach agreement.

But when the Right begins interjecting their talking point labels, such as ‘you are anti business’ or ‘we are business friendly’ that the cooperative spirit diminishes.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:40 am

To the extent that you a) believe yourself a neocon and b) think that post was directed at you, I feel sorry for you heathen. But I still think you are a good guy.

I had read about ALEC some months ago. But I have this weird thing – apparently lacking in the vast majority of the Republican Party – called intellectual curiosity.

Of all of our many social, political and other ills, the corporatocracy is the most vile of them all.

Corporations are people, my friend.

And human beings (people doesn’t work any more) are again becoming chattel…

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:42 am

RB: The difference is that no one writes Jay’s articles or TELLS him what to write ABOUT. On the other hand, those who use ALEC drafted legislation as a template only have to worry about wording, not about engaging their brain with regard to how the bill actually affects their constituency nor do they have to worry about thinking when it comes to ideas.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:43 am

The gop attack on the Chevy Volt is anti business.

The gop attack on American workers and unions is anti business.

The gop fight for no regulations caused a global economic collapse.

The ultimate in anti business.

So, lets put the anti business lies to rest.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:44 am

“Oh yeah….. Air and water quality in China and Vietnam are second to none, great wages that would surely support middle class here in the US, working conditions are like being on vacation”

They both suck,

Apples and oranges sir. They are developing economies and as such environmental concerns take a backseat to everything else such as eating, having clothes on your back, and a roof over your head. As they continue to prosper they will eventually reach a standard of material wealth where they will then demand more environmental regulations for cleaner air, water, etc. Until then they are in the same stage of development that we were at in the 40s, 50s, where environmentalism took a back seat and the air and water quality were much worse than today in the U.S.

The point is that their economies are growing and growing quickly. And keep in mind that in this discussion I’m not speaking much about common sense environmental regulations as I am simply about onerous workplace regulations and red tape. You guys just may be assuming I am.

Thomas

April 5th, 2012
11:44 am

Paul- don’t disagree but this is covered by hundreds of pages of requirements and mulitple Federal and state agencies including the IRS.

It is not like you can do this in the dark of night and be done.

RB from Gwinnett

April 5th, 2012
11:46 am

Adam, if you don’t know what a template is you should probably skip this one.

mm

April 5th, 2012
11:46 am

Jay,

The rightwing replies to your article are just more proof that these people care more about ideology than common sense. Their beloved GOP pumps them full of lies about how they are looking out for them against the liberal leaches. But in reality, the GOP is draining them of there livelihood with a firehose.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:46 am

it would be better for each state to expend its own resources to write brand new.

heh. I knew someone would use the cost efficiency argument to support ALEC! I’m so glad it’s RB that did it, too.

Hey, did you know that some countries don’t bother to pay their cops? So much cheaper to have them freelance, and live off all the bribes they can collect.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
11:48 am

Quick — someone tell the cons we’re actually talking about Alec Baldwin, and they’ll change their minds in a hurry. :D

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:49 am

The President finally signed a jobs act today because the gop have been anti business for three long years.

They even gave us our first downgrade with their stunts.

That my friends is anti business.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:49 am

Hey, did you know that some countries don’t bother to pay their cops? So much cheaper to have them freelance, and live off all the bribes they can collect.

:lol:

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:50 am

“It seems to me that when people discuss certain regulations on a case by case basis that it’s pretty easy to reach agreement.”

Paul,

Right you are. If we could take 5 libs and 5 cons and sit them in a room to discuss case by case regulations on business probably the majority of time 4 of 5 of each group would agree on whether a regulation is necessary or just burdensome. Common sense would largely prevail.

“But when the Right begins interjecting their talking point labels, such as ‘you are anti business’ or ‘we are business friendly’ that the cooperative spirit diminishes.”

The flip side to that coin is when Jay or other liberals attempt to demonize a group that is pro-business and sponsors legislation that the purpose is generally to make business competitive and spur more business and economic activity which is a good thing for all given that business employs people and pays the taxes that makes everything else in our lives possible. Govt does not exist without the taxes that business and its employees pay to keep govt going. A lot of people either don’t understand that to begin with or need reminding of it.

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
11:50 am

What’s the issue here?

The number of organizations on the Right such as ALEC are dwarfed by the Left.

Google – organizations funded by George Soros.

If you get tired of reading the long list, Google Tides Foundation.

Do you really think Congress and/or the White House wrote Obamacare?

And, if you can’t see the need to treat janitors like contractors, you have never tried to legally hire and actually work the class of people who seek that kind of work. Yes, there are exceptions like the janitor at the high school who has been there through several generations, but that’s rare. Jay makes it sound like ALEC sets around trying to figure out ways to screw people. Forget that, if there was not a business reason they would not be doing it.

Beverly Fraud

April 5th, 2012
11:51 am

Here’s the mindset you’re dealing with when it comes to ALEC.

Remember when the Chamber of Commerce DESPERATELY wanted to keep Beverly Hall in power DESPITE the largest cheating scandal in United States educational history?

Their response? Let’s see if we can “finesse this (the CHEATING) past the governor” set up a few teachers as fall guys, and MAINTAIN HALL IN POWER.

This is the mindset ALEC brings to the table.

Of course the gubmit suffers from INSTITUTIONAL ROT, but let’s not pretend ALEC is the white knight in shining armor.

After all, aren’t white knights usually known for their INTEGRITY, not for hiding behind the shadows?

mm

April 5th, 2012
11:51 am

RB,

” Tell us Jay, does the AJC us templates to format it’s “news” paper every day or they start every day from scratch?

What’s the difference?”

How do you always manage to justify your wingnuttery with stupidity?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:53 am

And of course, a party that fights against our recovery after they collapsed our economy is extremely anti business.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:53 am

Thomas

I too, thought there were ways the IRS could get involved.

But I think what we’re discussing here is legislation to change those laws and the regulations they’re based upon.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:53 am

Let’s do the anti-Republican thing and list some pertinent data on this topic…

More than 98% of ALEC’s revenues come from sources other than legislative dues, such as corporations, corporate trade groups, and corporate foundations. Each corporate member pays an annual fee of between $7,000 and $25,000 a year, and if a corporation participates in any of the nine task forces, additional fees apply, from $2,500 to $10,000 each year. ALEC also receives direct grants from corporations, such as $1.4 million from ExxonMobil from 1998-2009. It has also received grants from some of the biggest foundations funded by corporate CEOs in the country, such as: the Koch family Charles G. Koch Foundation, the Koch-managed Claude R. Lambe Foundation, the Scaife family Allegheny Foundation, the Coors family Castle Rock Foundation, to name a few. Less than 2% of ALEC’s funding comes from “Membership Dues” of $50 per year paid by state legislators, a steeply discounted price that may run afoul of state gift bans.

Just to be clear on who has skin in this back room, closed door game…

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
11:53 am

and workers are stripped of most of the legal protections they would otherwise enjoy.

Crap on the workers, over and over and over again and still the middle class conservatives vote them into office. AMAZING!

RF

April 5th, 2012
11:55 am

Now I understand the conservative agenda better. Less government, but not less governING…just do it via ALEC. Let them write the legislation and the legislators run to introduce it. That takes all the worry caused by those pesky voters away.

mm

April 5th, 2012
11:55 am

“The number of organizations on the Right such as ALEC are dwarfed by the Left.

Google – organizations funded by George Soros.”

Just Wow.

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
11:55 am

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:49 am

The President finally signed a jobs act today because the gop have been anti business for three long years.

They even gave us our first downgrade with their stunts.

That my friends is anti business.
_____________________

Getalife, you partisan hack.:-)

Boehner says there was a deal with Obama and Barry changed his demands. Barry says Boehner could not get support from the Tea Party congressmen. Both sides are now trying to ensure history makes them look the best. We will have to wait and see. But one thing is for sure.

Obama is a divider, not a leader. History will show him as such. The downgrade happened on his watch. More of this from Mitt in the coming months.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:55 am

“Hey, did you know that some countries don’t bother to pay their cops? So much cheaper to have them freelance, and live off all the bribes they can collect.”

In Mexico and in other central American nations it is a given that cops are paid absymally. The reason is that its expected that they supplement their income in bribes such as taking a cash payment to not ticket someone after catching them speeding.

In much the same way I saw a history channel special on New Orleans and in the special it talked about historic corruption but it made note of the fact that when under French rule public servants were expected to benefit to some degree from their positions. I thought it was interesting but not surprising given that small time corruption is rampant and expected in Central America and many other places around the globe.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
11:55 am

TD

Yes they have growing economies……. I’m not arguing that, however I personally do not want the US emulating them.

If you do, that is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

I’m not naive and understand that there are regs that are overboard, redundant, etc. I wish both parties would sit down in a civil debate to determine which ones can be done away with. Knowing that both sides are big babies, I do not see that occurring on a massive scale.

With that said, “Big Business” in the aggregate isn’t looking to comply with any regs they do not have to, regardless of what the reg or law is intended to do. History shows that. I stated there are regs that are not needed, but this notion that Big Bizz will policy itself isn’t founded in reality.

Not saying you said they can or would, but many on the right think just let them do what they want and it will work out.
Really? I missed that time in this country’s history where that was so

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:56 am

Obviously they are shills for and co-conspirators of the GOP…

ALEC describes itself as a non-partisan, non-profit organization. The facts show that it currently has one Democrat out of 104 legislators in leadership positions.

ALEC members, speakers, alumni, and award winners are a “who’s who” of the extreme right. ALEC has given awards to: Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, George H.W. Bush, Charles and David Koch, Richard de Vos, Tommy Thompson, Gov. John Kasich, Gov. Rick Perry, Congressman Mark Foley (intern sex scandal), and Congressman Billy Tauzin.

ALEC alumni include: Speaker of the House John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Congressman Joe Wilson, (who called President Obama a “liar” during the State of the Union address), former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, former House Speaker Tom DeLay, Andrew Card, Donald Rumsfeld (1985 Chair of ALEC’s Business Policy Board), Governor Scott Walker, Governor Jan Brewer, and more.

Featured speakers have included: Milton Friedman, Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, Dan Quayle, George Allen, Jessie Helms, Pete Coors, Governor Mitch Daniels and more.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
11:56 am

Conservatives just seem sooooo sleazy. They’re like the snake in the grass – call themselves christian while they empty the pockets of little old ladies.

Peadawg

April 5th, 2012
11:56 am

“Getalife, you partisan hack.:-)”

getalife a partisan hack? Say it ain’t so.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:57 am

ALEC is a lobbying group? Just like labor unions lobby? Or just like many other lobbying concerns on the left or the right? Say it aint so?

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
11:57 am

Template! Did someone say, Template:

“WHEREAS, it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles of…”

When your elected Republican is too dumb to read the first sentence of the legislation that she wrote to make sure that she wrote it correctly, you might want to be rethinking your choice for public office. Of course, I’m addressing that comment to the backers of organizations such as ALEC. You know the ones. The Koch Crooks, et al.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:58 am

reb,

I will pass on believing anything your speaker says but he did pass out big tobacco checks on the house floor for a vote so that was pro business.

Beverly Fraud

April 5th, 2012
11:58 am

If you’re doing nothing wrong, why not be OPEN and TRANSPARENT?

You know, kind of what JESUS would do (for those on the right wing who claim to love all things Jesus) not what the MONEYCHANGERS would do.

mm

April 5th, 2012
11:58 am

ALEC is very similar to Fox News.

Righties never have an original thought.

The GOP voters have to be told how to think, so Fox News exists.

The GOP politicians have to be told how to govern, so ALEX exists.

Citizen of the World

April 5th, 2012
11:58 am

If environmentalism ever took a “back seat” as Thulsa Doom says @ 11:44, it was only because it was made to sit back there. It wasn’t because people didn’t care about environmental destruction — my grandmother was heartbroken as a child, watching the loggers cut down every single pine and cypress tree in her native North Florida — it just took a while for the full extent of rampant industrialism to exhibit itself, plus a lot of the pollutants that now threaten our environment didn’t even exist until mid 20th century or so. Then it took a while for people to organize, in one of the purest grassroots movements in history. People in China are starting to take air quality monitoring into their own hands, posting true readings instead of what the government is telling them. It’s just a matter of time before they start raising hell.

Of course, once the protections that enabled us (as in U.S.) to develop a strong middle class are gone and all we are worried about again are things “such as eating, having clothes on your back and a roof over your head,” then we will be too beaten down to make noise about air and water quality and such, and then business will have us right back where we started? We have to make sure the pendulum does not swing back that far.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:59 am

I guess you could label me as anti gop.

carolina jasmine

April 5th, 2012
11:59 am

And, if you can’t see the need to treat janitors like contractors, you have never tried to legally hire and actually work the class of people who seek that kind of work.

And what class of people would that be, JohnnyReb? The working poor?

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
11:59 am

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
11:56 am

Conservatives just seem sooooo sleazy. They’re like the snake in the grass – call themselves christian while they empty the pockets of little old ladies.
____________________

Two word rebuttal: Chuck Schumer

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:59 am

Thulsa Doom

“when Jay or other liberals attempt to demonize a group that is pro-business and sponsors legislation that the purpose is generally to make business competitive and spur more business and economic activity”

I’d hazard a guess that when that remark is bumped up against what Jay wrote “an increasing number of businesses are trying to get around minimum-wage, workers’ comp and overtime requirements by reclassifying their employees”

most could see the basis of the disagreement: one side that generalizes with ‘make business competitive’ which appears to strike at the heart of what the other side holds sacrosanct, doing away with minimum wage laws, workers’ comp and overtime.

RF

April 5th, 2012
11:59 am

“And, if you can’t see the need to treat janitors like contractors, you have never tried to legally hire and actually work the class of people who seek that kind of work.”

Meaning what? They’re scum, they’re uneducated, what? At least they’re willing to work and not waiting for the guvmint check, right?

Is there a “class” that deserves fair wage and other protections and a class that doesn’t? Being an independent contractor strips you of every worker protection, unless you buy worker’s comp. insurance on your own, which is pricey.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
11:59 am

“Until then they are in the same stage of development that we were at in the 40s, 50s,”

I haven’t been however my parents have both been to China 2 yrs ago and my dad went to Vietnam with his Vet’s org last yr………

Hope you mean the 1840s and 50s. It ain’t pretty in the heavily industrialized areas

godless heathen©

April 5th, 2012
12:01 pm

becky: “godless-do you not know what Etc. means? seriously?”

Do you know what “mislead” means? Seriously? You characterized the corps as “polluters and insurance companies, etc.”

I merely suggested that fellow bloggers visit the site and see who these corporations are for themselves.

TiredOfIt

April 5th, 2012
12:01 pm

The GOP is pro-business … for China

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
12:01 pm

What goes on behind closed, lobbyist-dominated doors?

The organization boasts 2,000 legislative members and 300 or more corporate members. The unelected corporate representatives (often registered lobbyists) sit as equals with elected representatives on nine task forces where they have a “voice and a vote” on model legislation.

Corporations on ALEC task forces VOTE on the “model” bills and resolutions, and sit as equals with legislators voting on the ALEC task forces and various working groups. Corporate and legislative governing boards also meet jointly each year. (ALEC says only the legislators have a final say on all model bills. ALEC has previously said that “The policies are debated and voted on by all members. Public and private members vote separately on policy. It is important to note that laws are not passed, debated or adopted during this process and therefor no lobbying takes place. That process is done at the state legislature.”) The long-term representation of Koch Industries on the governing board means that Koch has had influence over an untold number of ALEC bills.

Due to the questionable nature of this partnership with corporations, legislators rarely discuss the origins of the model legislation they bring home. Though thousands of ALEC-approved model bills have been publicly introduced across the country, ALEC’s role facilitating the language in the bills and the corporate vote for them is not well known.

Too funny that that one nitwit in Florida forgot to redact their name out of that one bill, huh?

ALEC legislators sometimes compare the organization to the National Conference of State Legislators (NCSL), yet the two organizations could not be more different. NCSL has zero corporate members. It is funded largely by state government appropriations and conference fees; it has a truly bipartisan governance structure, and there is a large role for nonpartisan professional staff; it does not vote on or promote model legislation; meetings are public and so are any agreed upon documents.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:01 pm

I thought it was interesting but not surprising given that small time corruption is rampant and expected in Central America and many other places around the globe.

Is that any different from the corruption here in the US? I don’t think it looks good for the “example of Democracy worldwide” when we allow our politicians to be bought and paid for by the highest bidder.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:02 pm

The number of organizations on the Right such as ALEC are dwarfed by the Left.

the NUMBER of organizations? Really?

that’s your go-to response to this?

You want a truly scary list, containing VAST NUMBERS of hard-right operatives? try this…

http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/

hell’s bells, they’s got 307 terror cells within 20 miles of my home!

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:02 pm

Godless–what do you call BP, Exxon and State Farm? Hint-they aren’t the ETC I was talking about.

Beverly Fraud

April 5th, 2012
12:03 pm

Don’t the conservatives often wrap themselves in the cloak of Jesus and ask WWJD?

If so, if Jesus WERE to sponsor some sort of legislation, wouldn’t he be OPEN and TRANSPARENT about it?

godless heathen©

April 5th, 2012
12:03 pm

Amvet,

There was a discussion here one day about the definition of neo-con and no one could really come up with one, so I don’t know if I’m one or not. ;)

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:04 pm

stands-the SBC has done more to force people away from religion than Satan ever could. Ask me how I know.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
12:05 pm

It’s too bad that Democrats continue to support Racists… :-)
Democrats have waged a War on Diversity…

Democrat Marion (crack)Barry: ‘We’ve got to do something about these Asians coming in’
http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2012/04/barry-we%E2%80%99ve-got-do-something-about-these-asians-coming/448886

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
12:06 pm

carolina jasmine

April 5th, 2012
11:59 am

And, if you can’t see the need to treat janitors like contractors, you have never tried to legally hire and actually work the class of people who seek that kind of work.

And what class of people would that be, JohnnyReb? The working poor?
_____________________________________

Yes, they are poor, but that’s not the point. To legally hire someone now is expensive. A lot of small businesses use payroll services companies to file the reports to governments. Employers go into that agreement with the intent the worker will be reliable and show for work as scheduled. The reality is, too many of the workers in this group are not reliable and it requires hiring more than what otherwise would be needed. Constantly adding employees and discharging employees is expensive. Plus, some in this group will try to game the system to collect workers comp and unemployment. And, this is just the beginning. Using them as independent contractors is much preferred.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:06 pm

OMG-usmc and I agree on something. Marion Barry is nuckingfutz

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:07 pm

USMC

I hate to be the one to tell you, but you may need to take Deflection 101 again. That one was weak…

:)

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:07 pm

Why do they need welfare from our government to do business?

Can they not stand alone and do business?

Looks like we have a major welfare problem in our country.

Corporate welfare.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
12:09 pm

Now, for the real nitty gritty. Who exactly benefits from this shadow group?

Although ALEC claims to take an ideological stance (of supposedly “Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism, and individual liberty”), many of the model bills benefit the corporations whose agents write them, shape them, and/or vote to approve them.

These are just a few such measures:

Altria/Philip Morris USA benefits from ALEC’s newest tobacco legislation — an extremely narrow tax break for moist tobacco that would make fruit flavored tobacco products cheaper and more attractive to youngsters.

Yeah! Pro-family Republicans helping get their children addicted to cigarettes!

Health insurance companies such as Humana and Golden Rule Insurance (United Healthcare), benefit directly from ALEC model bills, such as the Health Savings Account bill that just passed in Wisconsin.

We don’t need no stinking healthcare overhaul!

Tobacco firms such as Reynolds and pharmaceutical firms such as Bayer benefit directly from ALEC tort reform measures that make it harder for Americans to sue when injured by dangerous products.

Excuse me, while I put this cigarette butt out on your forearm. (Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.)

Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) benefits directly from the anti-immigrant legislation introduced in Arizona and other states that requires expanded incarceration and housing of immigrants, along with other bills from ALEC’s crime task force. (While CCA has stated that it left ALEC in late 2010 after years of membership on the Criminal Justice Task Force and even co-chairing it, its prison privatization bills remain ALEC “models.”)

Now that we blew up the entire US economy, we don’t need you wetbacks.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:10 pm

Ask me how I know.

Not sure I need to. Let’s just say I’ve heard the testimony of a LOT of what ya might call “religious refugees” over the past few years.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
12:10 pm

RB: Apparently it’s you who doesn’t know the difference between a “news template” as you call it, and a “template” that ALEC offers.

This isn’t Mad Libs.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
12:11 pm

td

April 5th, 2012
12:11 pm

Jay,

Two days in a row now I have seen you post an article and then within an hour a piece about the same story with the same points run on MSNBC. With that being said and your appearance of Rachael Maddow show one might begin to wonder if someone is giving you some behind the scenes help?

Paul

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

godless heathen

“There was a discussion here one day about the definition of neo-con and no one could really come up with one, so I don’t know if I’m one or not.”

I guess ‘neocon’ is like pornography. Supreme Court Justice Stewart said it’s hard to define, but he knows it when he sees it.

:-)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

Employers go into that agreement with the intent the worker will be reliable and show for work as scheduled. The reality is, too many of the workers in this group are not reliable and it requires hiring more than what otherwise would be needed.

Sounds like employers need to brush up on their interviewing and researching skills. Of the 10 years I spent in retail, I didn’t have that much of a problem in hiring people, even at minimum wage positions. If you know how to read people, you can find out whether they’re feeding you BS or not during the interview. If you can’t read people, then you should contract your hiring to someone who can. Researching references does wonders too. While previous employers can’t divulge much, they are allowed to tell you whether they would rehire that person or not. That should tell you a lot about that person’s work ethic.

Resorting to gimmickery such as “independent contractors” is a cop-out for actually doing the job of running your business.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

td-um, current events? Know what they are?

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

They BOTH suck,

Nope. I like our environmental regs just fine but I think we’ve hit a point where the EPA is now beginning to run amuck with power and has become abusive. You should do some reading on EPA abuse of private landowners and of business- the way they’ve run over private landowners is frightening. Stossel did a good special on EPA abuse of private landowners that would scare the socks of any lib or con. Unchecked govt power to abuse its people is a scary thing.

“With that said, “Big Business” in the aggregate isn’t looking to comply with any regs they do not have to, regardless of what the reg or law is intended to do. History shows that. I stated there are regs that are not needed, but this notion that Big Bizz will policy itself isn’t founded in reality”

Naturally they will fight what are plainly onerous regulations and even common sense ones due to the cost of doing so which they have to pass on to us. Big business will and often won’t regulate itself. Think about the BP oil spill. The regulators were in bed with the oil companies making them utterly useless. The lib answer to the problem?- More regulators or regulation. As for BP and oil they will police themselves to a degree. The bad publicity and the financial cost to BP is enough that they should be damn sure that their drilling crews drill safely and not take shortcuts. To me its nothing short of amazing that as useless as the Bureau of minerals was in actually ensuring workplace safety that it took this long for someone like BP to finally have an accident.

I see good and bad in regulation. 2 quick examples- my girlfriends mom was telling me all about her business of when she owned a day care center. You absolutely would not believe the crap they have to contend with in regards to the regulatory people coming by. Yes. We all want our kids to be safe but the nonsense they come up with is just silly. She ended up closing it down because as the years went by it just got to be too much of a pain and she said to hell with it.

On the other hand the regulators up here for the state do a necessary job of regulating the nursing homes. My girl worked at one up here near Monroe. Damn place had mold growing all over the men’s bathroom and especially all over the ceiling tiles. Her and the other girls would all drink coffee and all come down with bladder infections- ostensibly due to mold I’m guessing getting in the coffee. Long story short when the state inspectors come the different nursing homes all call each up with a heads up. This home simply paints over the mold before they get their and then after they leave it just grows back out through the walls and ceiling tiles. The crooked people who own the nursing home are bad enough. The state regulators are just as bad because we are paying them to basically be incompetent. What the hell good are they if its that damn easy to fool em. Just like the ones who were supposed to be oversseing BP.

man behind the curtain

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

“Interesting read. Thanks. But, whachagonnadoboutit?”

Jay shines the light, do with it what you will.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

USMC. Dude. Really?

You think Marion Flippin’ Barry is beloved and highly regarded by most progressives?

“Bitch set me up!” is about the only thing most folks can even remember about him. And it’s not in a good way.

godless heathen©

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

“Adam, if you don’t know what a template is you should probably skip this one.”

LOL!

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:13 pm

The gop positions are:

Welfare for the people is bad.

Welfare for corporations is great.

Which welfare costs more to the American taxpayer?

td

April 5th, 2012
12:14 pm

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

td-um, current events? Know what they are?

Problem is I only saw the stories run on MSNBC. Not on CNN or Fox.

Steve Atl

April 5th, 2012
12:14 pm

Those gas prices keep going up…unemployment at 8.3%…deficit…my gosh…trying to bully the Supreme Court…another failed Solar investment of 2.1 billion…

Romney in 2012!!!

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:15 pm

td-now admit it, you don’t watch anything but Fox. Come on now, CNN? You are pulling our leg

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:15 pm

td, pssst. it’s all coordinated on Teh JournoLIST!

carlosgvv

April 5th, 2012
12:16 pm

Big Business still years for a return to laissez faire and, in their never-ending lust for maximum profits, will use and produce whatever tools will enable them to succeed. If this produces laws that do not respond to Georgia problems or protect Georgia citizens, this means nothing either to Big Business or their political lackeys. Ever increasing profits are the one and only thing Business cares about and large amounts of election and re-election funding is the only thing most of our politicians care about. A strong third party that cannot be bought and actually cares for the people is our only hope. Otherwise, look for Business to steadly strip away all employee gains and benefits Unions had to work so hard for.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:16 pm

Yes Romney is running Steve, but President Obama will be re-elected primarily by women who have had it way past here. And we are in the majority.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:17 pm

look for Business to steadly strip away all employee gains and benefits Unions had to work so hard for.

but, but, SEIU thugz! that fuzzy video that mighta shown a guy kicking another guy that one time!

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:17 pm

I think we need another reform.

Corporate welfare reform.

Talk about entitlements.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
12:18 pm

heathen, I hear ya!

But in all seriousness, it is not as if that definition is some mysterious, quasi-arcane thing.

There are volumes of information available about its etymology, history and usage.

I find this quote extremely interesting. And not just because he hails from my adopted home town of North Platte, Nebraska…

Nebraska Republican U.S. senator Chuck Hagel, who has been critical of the Bush administration’s adoption of neoconservative ideology, in his book America: Our Next Chapter wrote:

“So why did we invade Iraq? I believe it was the triumph of the so-called neo-conservative ideology, as well as Bush administration arrogance and incompetence that took America into this war of choice. . . . They obviously made a convincing case to a president with very limited national security and foreign policy experience, who keenly felt the burden of leading the nation in the wake of the deadliest terrorist attack ever on American soil.”

Word, Chuck.

ZoSo

April 5th, 2012
12:19 pm

I had a friend in Nashville that owned a small courier service. His business was going south about 8 years ago when he switched his business to hire independent contractors as drivers. It was the only way to stay competetive. Had he not done that, his business would have failed and the full time employees would have lost their jobs. Instead the company survived and flourished. My friend passed away (a year ago today) but I beleive he made the right decision.

td

April 5th, 2012
12:19 pm

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:15 pm

td-now admit it, you don’t watch anything but Fox. Come on now, CNN? You are pulling our leg

Now how would I know the stories ran on MSNBC and make a comment about it if I was only watching Fox?

Heres you sign!!!!

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
12:20 pm

USMC

April 5th, 2012
12:05 pm

It’s too bad that Democrats continue to support Racists…
Democrats have waged a War on Diversity…

Democrat Marion (crack)Barry: ‘We’ve got to do something about these Asians coming in’

USMC,

The scariest thing about the black racists is that they don’t even care about being openly racist. Thomas Sowell has written several articles about this and in particular about black racism and hate crimes against Asians in big cities across the U.S. The reason? Anger and resentment over the success of the Asian community who now make more money per capita than whites. Being such a racist country and all according to the libs one wonders how that can be that members of a small minority make more money than the dominant majority.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
12:21 pm

To legally hire someone now is expensive.

Here we go again – business can’t operate without a hand-out from government? A business can’t be profitable because it has to pay it’s workers?

Let’s think this through — MAYBE that business shouldn’t be in business any more? Ya think?

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 5th, 2012
12:22 pm

Romney pulls another “Romney” today:

Speaking in Harrisburg, Pa., Romney told an audience that Obama may have spent “too much time at Harvard,” according to NBC. Obama, who has a law degree from Harvard, spent three years there. Romney, who earned both a Harvard law degree and business degree, spent four years at the university…

RF

April 5th, 2012
12:22 pm

“The reality is, too many of the workers in this group are not reliable and it requires hiring more than what otherwise would be needed. Constantly adding employees and discharging employees is expensive. Plus, some in this group will try to game the system to collect workers comp and unemployment”

Again with the stereotyping…now they’re a “group”. I happen to be related to a few in the janitorial services field, and the only ‘game’ they’re playing is church league softball. How does one identify this “group” of which you know so very much?

td

April 5th, 2012
12:22 pm

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:16 pm

Yes Romney is running Steve, but President Obama will be re-elected primarily by women who have had it way past here. And we are in the majority.

Black women will vote 99% for Obama even if he was caught cheating on his wife. White women will be the difference in the election and right now it is almost a 50/50 split.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
12:23 pm

Help Me, Help Me!

I’m a businessman and I can’t turn a profit. Can ya’ll PAHLEASE give me a break on something? Allow me to cut some corners somewhere? We NEED a handout over here!

HElp Me! Help Me! somebody give me a dang tax break or I’ll have to close my doors!

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
12:24 pm

Johnnyreb
Boehner says there was a deal with Obama and Barry changed his demands. Barry says Boehner could not get support from the Tea Party congressmen.

Face it dude, you were holding a full house and Obama got you to fold. You had a 3 to 1 deal on cuts vs. revenues. So what if it HAD been 3 to 0.8, it was still the best deal you’ve ever seen and probably the best deal you ever will see. All you had to do was call the bluff.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:24 pm

Have you noticed that when the gop anti business pols get out of the way, our economy is going well ?

We are recovering all the jobs the gop lost.

Our President’s second term will be even better.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
12:24 pm

“but President Obama will be re-elected primarily by women who have had it way past here”

Becky,

So exactly what have ya had it with? The idea that you should have to pay $9 a month of your own money for your own birth control? Or Republican opposition to Roe v Wade which in case you haven’t noticed is settled law and is likely never going to be overturned. Machavellian politics tells you the Rs don’t want it overturned because they have many Rs who vote R but are pro choice. They still vote R though because they are comfortable that Roe V Wade will never be overturned. If it were the Rs would automatically lose at least 10% of their voting base if not possibly more.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
12:25 pm

In a weird kind of way, I can almost understand black racism. Four hundred years of brutal murders and other unspeakable crimes MIGHT just have some influence over one’s worldview, based on their collective history and very recent stories from parents, grandparents,etc..

But that these white Christian men are STILL invested so heavily in it?

That one is inexplicable to me…

td

April 5th, 2012
12:26 pm

Finn,

How about the fact that America’s corporate tax rates are the highest in the world now?

Paul

April 5th, 2012
12:26 pm

Steve atl

“another failed Solar investment of 2.1 billion…”

There’s something to be said about listening to a talking head or reading a partisan blog, hearing about something…. THEN doing a little research.

I’m sure you’re trying to make the case the Obama Administration just lost $2.1 billion.

That’s not the case.

“Like Solyndra, Solar Trust had received a federal loan guarantee, at $2.1billion one of the largest ever given by the Department of Energy.

But Monday’s bankruptcy filing did not mean a default because Solar Trust lost the guarantee when the project was put on hold in August for a change in technology from solar thermal to photovoltaic.
Support lost

According to the narrative laid out in the Solar Trust bankruptcy filing by CEO Edward Kleinschmidt, as a developer, his company depended on its German parent company, Solar Millennium, for operating funds.

When Solar Millennium filed for bankruptcy in Germany in December, it cut off operating funds to Solar Trust and the bills piled up.”

http://www.dividedstates.com/obama-gave-another-2-1-billion-in-loans-to-anotehr-bankrupt-solar-company-solar-trust-of-america/

If you really want to get into a case of government subsidies and guarantees costing a taxpayer loss of waaay over half a billion, with more half a billions on the horizon, to a company trying to develop a product with unproven and undeveloped technology, where they are figuring it out as they are producing product, you might want to do a little research on Lockheed and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Don't Tread

April 5th, 2012
12:26 pm

For a minute there, I thought you were talking about ALEC Baldwin and his need, er, RIGHT to use electronic devices in flight that are off-limits to everyone else.

“the secrecy with which it operates and the influence that it wields so quietly are cause for alarm” – The same can be said for liberal groups/causes as well – you can’t have a hidden agenda without secrecy.

As far as the issue of contractor vs. employee, I’m sure at some point the states’ rules will clash with federal/IRS rules and the lawyers will be happy to earn some extra cash litigating that one.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:26 pm

The reason? Anger and resentment over the success of the Asian community who now make more money per capita than whites.

And I’m going to guess that you have proof that IS the reason, or is this another example of somebody’s opinion masquerading as truth?

Mary Elizabeth

April 5th, 2012
12:27 pm

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

I have been asking the AJC for weeks to do a full investigative report on ALEC. I posted the following on Maureen Downey’s blog on March 26, 2012:
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“I have entreated the AJC, also, to conduct an investigative report on ALEC and how that conservative organization is influencing educational legislation (among other legislation) in Georgia’s General Assembly. . .However, I ask, again, that the AJC do an investigative report on ALEC’s influence on Georgia’s legislation (and legislation in other states across our nation). This is very important for the public to be aware. How about it AJC?”
———————————————————————————

Recently on this blog, I have highlighted ALEC’s influence and I had posted a link to Paul Krugman’s editorial on ALEC – which “Mick” kindly shared with me, here.

This secretive organization has not only been funded in part by the Koch Brothers, since its inception in the early 1970s, but it has been trying to redefine what our nation is about for 40 years. This Presidential election is the culmination of all of that effort. And, if they cannot get their goals done through national politics, they hope to achieve their ends through state legislation. Sen. Chip Rogers and Rep. Calvin Hill are Georgia’s chairmen on ALEC.

Read more detail about ALEC here:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-legislative-exchange

Although I very much appreciate this article, I still ask fervently that the AJC do a full investigative report on ALEC’s influence on politicians and state legislatures, throughout our nation. Corporate interests combined with governmental power is the antithesis of what – especially – Thomas Jefferson envisioned for America. Republicans and Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, and Independents, should all reject ALEC. It represents the rule of the wealthy and powerful few over the many by using stealthy means to do so through the ignorance of the public as to what they are about. THAT is primarily why Jefferson supported public education – not paid for by anyone or any interest group other than by public taxes – to keep the populace – all the populace – informed as to how the wealthy and powerful could use the average citizens for their own self-serving interests. Now you know. Thank you, again, for this bold article!

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:27 pm

How many green companies are working?

cons focus on the ones that did not make it.

Moderate Line

April 5th, 2012
12:28 pm

Barrak Obama had $25 million in donations with no disclosure in 2008 according to Open Secrets.org.

I am really not seeing the point of this article other than to say there is a group of conservative legislature who gather and don’t tell people what they are talking about and surprise they support issues that are generally supported by conservatives.

When you say the ALEC drafted legislation you are essentially saying a group of conservative legislators from various states drafted it and presented it in the various states. Wow! Surprise the legislation is conservative.

I guess you have to be on the left to see the conspiracy. Are you saying that these laws would have never been introduce by these conservatives without the ALEC.

This is just away of pointing the finger at the right by avoiding the looking at the tremendous amount of money flowing to the left.

From my perspective this is just to distract from the fact that the Dems are swimming in money so the left has to come up with some “secret group”(with a website with a board of directors published on it).

Here are the top ten industries donating to Obama:
Rank Industry Total
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $45,386,298
2 Retired $42,859,404
3 Education $24,533,794
4 Securities & Investment $15,798,904
5 Misc Business $15,170,193
6 Health Professionals $12,661,821
7 Business Services $11,947,978
8 Real Estate $11,184,773
9 Computers/Internet $9,262,922
10 TV/Movies/Music $9,205,821

Obama has raised $157 million while Romney has raised $75 million total.

td

April 5th, 2012
12:28 pm

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:24 pm

Did you forget about the little fact that there are still 2 million less jobs in our economy today then there was the day he took office?

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
12:29 pm

“Here we go again – business can’t operate without a hand-out from government?’

Sometimes you see a statement by a lib that is so idiotic that its just jaw dropping. Only a lib could think that a tax break is a handout from the govt back to a business. Never mind that it is govt that gets handouts from business in the form of taxation. If govt grants a tax break it is not giving anything to a business. It is simply confiscating less of that businesse’s money which that business earned.

Only a librul could come up with the idea that money belongs to the gubment first and foremost and not to the person or business who actually did the work to earn that money. Only a lib. God help us from these abject fools.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
12:29 pm

Big business will and often won’t regulate itself……. As for BP and oil they will police themselves to a degree. The bad publicity and the financial cost to BP is enough that they should be damn sure that their drilling crews drill safely and not take shortcuts.

So BP won’t regulate themselves, except that they will because of bad publicity and costs(?) associated with accidents, but they won’t because they obviously didn’t.

Ah, Doomy, you’re so close to getting it….. reaching a logical conclusion, then worming right out again. Saying that businesses deliberately hamstring government regulation (and thus making it ineffective) is just too darn close to what a Marxist-Socialist Obama worshiper would say. Watching this internal struggle is fascinating.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:30 pm

Paul

You’re never gonna break through that wall of rhetoric, no matter how much you present factual information otherwise. When it’s heard on the radio or seen on the internet, it’s guaranteed fact, regardless to whether it’s verified or not. Even when you prove it wrong, your proof will be treated as spin or something created as a distraction.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
12:30 pm

How about the fact that America’s corporate tax rates are the highest in the world now?

Whaaaaa!
“I can’t pay ma taxes AND turn a profit! Help me, Help Me! Give me a tax break”

“Let everybody else pay taxes that go to support the economy and the industry I run my business in, they don’t need me to chip in, too!”

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
12:30 pm

Moderate Line — “Obama has raised $157 million while Romney has raised $75 million total.”

I’m sure Romney was able to swing by the ATM on the way home one evening and withdraw that much from his checking account.

n

April 5th, 2012
12:30 pm

They won’t stop until the entire country reverts to Dickensian conditions in the workplace and society as a whole.
Oh Corporate Overlord Sir, may I please have another bowl of gruel?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:30 pm

td,

Yes, we are catching up 200,000 jobs at a time.

We will recover all lost gop jobs.

Going back to gop is insane.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:31 pm

Thulsa-I see your name and several others on here and scroll so don’t bother responding to anything I post.

td-I don’t know where you go that statistic about a 50/50 split but it doesn’t matter one bit. He will be re-elected with women leading the charge. Deal with it.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:32 pm

Recently on this blog, I have highlighted ALEC’s influence and I had posted a link to Paul Krugman’s editorial on ALEC – which “Mick” kindly shared with me, here.

hey, other side of the street, wench. I’m claiming credit for this one!

(Seriously, thanks for what influence you’ve managed to bring to bear. They can’t keep us all down and in a world of crap forever, hard as they try.)

saywhat?

April 5th, 2012
12:33 pm

ALEC is far worse in reality than what right wing nuts fear ACORN is in their fevered imaginations.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
12:34 pm

F. McCool — “Whaaaaa! “I can’t pay ma taxes AND turn a profit! Help me, Help Me! Give me a tax break”

Attention conservatives. Either businesses pay taxes or their customers do. Please make up your minds.

If you maintain that taxes come out of your end, then you can continue to complain. However, you can’t pass the added costs on to your customers.

If you maintain that taxes are passed on to customers in the form of higher prices, then you’re not allowed to complain any more, because none of it’s coming from you.

That is all.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:35 pm

24 months of job growth.

This my friends is we are back.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
12:35 pm

Brocephus,

Sorry. I would have posted a link but I thought it was kinda of common knowledge by now that Asians make more money than whites. At least according to the census bureau anyway.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=60fb4bf81032f119e4d87466cfcc0b6f

Paul

April 5th, 2012
12:36 pm

Brosephus

I think, as much as anything, there’s a generalized ‘what’s out there that makes Obama look bad?” attitude so when they hear anything they grab it and run.

So if they get information proving their assertion incorrect, they drop it and search for a new one.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
12:36 pm

Thulsa, tear down all the government institutions – state and federal – and then see how long any business will last here. No rule of law? No courts to support property ownership?

No system to make sure roads are paved so a company can get it’s goods to the shelf at WalMart?
Or, if a company ships by train but now the trains don’t run on timetables?

You flush the toilet and nothing happens and there is nothing to say that it ever will again? Hey, maybe that decision on which car you’re going to buy next doesn’t seem reasonable anymore?

Taxes go to support the system/foundation that allows all these companies to operate and turn profits. But I don’t expect you to understand that, Thulsa.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:36 pm

So Noot’s think tank files for bankruptcy. who didn’t see this coming?

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
12:37 pm

“Thulsa-I see your name and several others on here and scroll so don’t bother responding to anything I post.’

I’ll take that as a surrender. A wise thing to do I might add when you can’t back up your points or statements.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:38 pm

Another gop position.

Green company welfare bad.

All other corporate welfare is great.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:38 pm

Patrick Thompson

April 5th, 2012
12:39 pm

Coca Cola exited ALEC after many years of making sure sugar drinks weren’t taxed like cigarettes for the harm they do to our health and our healthcare costs. Interesting that they announced this departure after the ColorofChange organization raised the issue of the large number of voter suppression laws pouring out of ALEC. Pepsi had already pulled its ALEC membership. Both organizations know where they’re customers are and don’t want to lose this monetary stream.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:39 pm

Calista will just have to get a real job now.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
12:40 pm

Black women will vote 99% for Obama even if he was caught cheating on his wife.

Forget the ifs, lets go with some of the actuals with 99% of white con women voting for them!

Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Herman Cain, Mike Bowers, Bob Dornan, John Linder, Ronald Reagan, William Cohen (going black no less HAHA!), Guy Millner, El Pibgo, Mitch Skandalakis, Michael Deaver, John Warner, Bill McCartney (Promise Keepers founder), Rep. Dan Burton, Rep. Bob Barr, Rudolph Giuliani, Sen. Strom Thurmond, Gilbert Davis (Paula Jones’ attorney), Bob Packwood, Gov. Kirk Fordice, Gov. Mark Sanford, Beverly Russell (The Christian Coalition coordinator who molested his stepdaughter Susan Smith, who later killed her own kids.) and Marv Albert among MANY others.

td, you sure know how to step in your own steaming pile of ___, huh?

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:40 pm

from my linkee:

The filing indicates the group has liabilities between $1 million and $10 million, and between 50 and 99 creditors.

“Sorry, suckuhz!”
–Newton Idea-Guy / I am SO a legitimate Presidential Candidate! Gingrich

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:40 pm

The gop could not even pick the low hanging fruit and cut big oil welfare but then rail against green energy subsidies.

Doggone/GA

April 5th, 2012
12:41 pm

“If you maintain that taxes are passed on to customers in the form of higher prices, then you’re not allowed to complain any more, because none of it’s coming from you”

NONE of it IS coming from the companies. It ALL comes from their customers. If they have no customers, they have no income or profit…and they pay no taxes. Of course, that’s not a very viable company either…but the fact is, the customers pay for EVERYTHING that company shells out money for.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:42 pm

I would have posted a link but I thought it was kinda of common knowledge by now that Asians make more money than whites.

And that is not what I was referring to. Your exact words were: “Thomas Sowell has written several articles about this and in particular about black racism and hate crimes against Asians in big cities across the U.S. The reason? Anger and resentment over the success of the Asian community who now make more money per capita than whites.”

Addressing the fact that Asians make more than Whites does not get you off the hook for claiming that is the reason for “Black racism and hate crimes against Asians”. Would you like to post proof that is the reason for what you stated, or will you acknowledge that you’re posting opinion as though it is verified fact?

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
12:43 pm

Noot’s think tank files for bankruptcy.

Moral or intellectual?

LOL.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
12:43 pm

Newt better bump up his appearances on Fox News. Lawd knows some of the conservatives on here could use some schoolin’ from the Newtster.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
12:43 pm

“Taxes go to support the system/foundation that allows all these companies to operate and turn profits. But I don’t expect you to understand that, Thulsa.”

Well well. Looky what we have here. Another liberal kook who thinks that America is great because of gubment and not our capitalist system and limited govt which made us great to begin with. Only a lib could think that.

Lemme ask ya something finn uncool. America in just 200-250 years became the most powerful nation on earth. And during that phenomenal ascent to becoming the most powerful nation on earth we did it with very limited govt and very low taxes. And as a matter of fact we didn’t even have the permanent income tax until 1913. So given our phenomenal growth as a nation from 1776 to a world power in the early part of the 1900s how did we become a world power without even having a permanent income tax if you believe taxes are so important and so essential to our nation. Please explain your nonsensical notions about how important govt and taxes are given these facts.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:43 pm

Interesting that they announced this departure after the ColorofChange organization raised the issue of the large number of voter suppression laws pouring out of ALEC.

I’m not going to assume correlation equals causation, but yeah… interesting, like you say.

Mary Elizabeth

April 5th, 2012
12:44 pm

You can have the credit, sfd – I’m interested in the results (and I know you and others are, also).

I continue to ask that the AJC to do a full investigative report on ALEC. This secretive group deserves months of analysis and exposure as to their methods and ends, and not just an article or two of exposure. Anything this stealtily managed for over 40 years to influence our governmental policies, will take more than a few exposures on what they have been about – to fully understand what has been effecting the course of our national political landscape, which has effected individual lives, directly, and will do more of same in the future, if not brought to light in full.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
12:44 pm

Becky — “Calista will just have to get a real job now.”

I ain’t sayin’ she’s a gold digger

But she ain’t messin’ with no Chapter 11

getalife

April 5th, 2012
12:44 pm

The newt had a think tank?

That joke writes itself.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:44 pm

Your exact words were

Thanks, Bros. I coulda sworn he’d written “boy howdy, some a’ them coloreds shore do hate them some ch!nks!”

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:45 pm

Paul

Forgot about that. Seems like that’s gonna be the mode of operation for this entire election year.

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dB

Dude, do you ever check your email???

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:47 pm

dB

He did write something that stated as much. I’m simply asking for proof. I’m beginning to get POed at the continuous broad brush crap posted about Blacks here. If all the broad brush stuff is right, I might just be a White man with a deep, deep permanent tan after all.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

So given our phenomenal growth as a nation from 1776 to a world power in the early part of the 1900s how did we become a world power without even having a permanent income tax

Hmmm, free labor from black people? That’s also before child labor laws were passed so, let’s not forget the cheap little children.

So, Thulsa, before the income tax was put in place, the US government didn’t tax anything? Not even alcohol? There was no whiskey rebellion?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

Doom — “Lemme ask ya something finn uncool. America in just 200-250 years became the most powerful nation on earth. And during that phenomenal ascent to becoming the most powerful nation on earth we did it with very limited govt and very low taxes. And as a matter of fact we didn’t even have the permanent income tax until 1913. So given our phenomenal growth as a nation from 1776 to a world power in the early part of the 1900s how did we become a world power without even having a permanent income tax if you believe taxes are so important and so essential to our nation.”

You pretty clearly missed this, but we didn’t become a big bad-@$$ed player on the global stage *until* we instituted that permanent income tax.

Compare our military and economic power worldwide around 1910 with our military and economic power around 1945 or so. See a difference? That’s taxation for you.

And before you start pointing out that we were at war for most of 1945, be sure to factor our increased level of wartime TAXATION into your argument, particularly including high levels of war bond purchases by American citizens.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

JHM-what was I thinking??? I imagine Calista has her hooks in the next one to be played.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
12:49 pm

stands — “Your exact words were”

One wonders where josef is. :roll:

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
12:50 pm

Bros @ 12.45, if it’s the account (the domain rhymes with “blotmail”) I’ve got in the field, I’m not seeing it.

And yeah, I do check it with some regularity.

(I checked spam and deleted folder as well, just to see if it wound up there.)

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
12:50 pm

I think the better question for the corporatocracy shills is how in the name of Sam Hill did the United States of American have such a BOOMING economy during the days when corporate tax rates were MUCH higher than they are today and when corporations paid a MUCH bigger share of federal revenues than they do today?

RF

April 5th, 2012
12:51 pm

“The newt had a think tank?”

That apparently he wasn’t in, underneath the basking light where he should have been. I always hate it when the pesky varmints get loose- especially the reptiles. They’re a mess to catch!

Becky

April 5th, 2012
12:52 pm

Will Santorum or Paul declare bankruptcy next?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
12:53 pm

RF — “underneath the basking light where he should have been.”

Sunning himself on a flat rock?

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
12:53 pm

dB

Whatever addy you use here, JB forwarded my contact info to you via that address.

Patrick Thompson

April 5th, 2012
12:55 pm

No laws being broken? Does the average Joe think it’s ok for companies and industry lobbyists to write legislation to be put in place by legislators? Who represents the citizen in this scenario? Did you ever notice how GA legislators are working on things we never asked them to as constituents? Go to http://www.ALEC.org or better yet http://www.alecexposed.org and you can find the GA docket – cable over local control, privatize schools, kill the EPA, destroy unions and public workers, go after immigrants, weaken consumer and financial regulations, voter suppression, fossil fuel over everything else, zero based budgeting, guns in schools – and Chip Rogers and Graves are proud, card-carrying leaders in this incestuous organization. Where does the Tea Party stand on this corporate influence?

RF

April 5th, 2012
12:57 pm

Joe HM: “Sunning himself on a flat rock?”

Curses for that mental image!! that’s one big ol’ rock!!

He needed to be soaking up something…god knows he sure spewed out a lot of nonsense that took a lot of heat out of him.

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
12:59 pm

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
12:21 pm

To legally hire someone now is expensive.

Here we go again – business can’t operate without a hand-out from government? A business can’t be profitable because it has to pay it’s workers?

Let’s think this through — MAYBE that business shouldn’t be in business any more? Ya think?
_________________________

I’m not talking about wages; I would be surprised if many companies start janitors off above minimum wage. It’s the process of hiring and reporting that is expensive. The hiring act is a one-time occurrence, but reporting is constant.

And, as to a company not being in business (or not hiring) – you have that right now. You Lefties want praise for your bleeding heart intentions and always ignore the collateral damage.

josef

April 5th, 2012
12:59 pm

TWO THINGS

I betcha ALEC ain’t behind the spate of anti immigrant laws! :-)

AND

Green enterprise is a liberal thingie…don’t tell Haley Barbour and the benighted Magnolia State that…
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/mississippi-lures-green-manufacturing-jobs/

GT

April 5th, 2012
1:00 pm

The history of Georgia has been written on this kind of stuff. Castro should have saved himself a revolution and joined a group of influence like ALEC. Without a bullet being fired they prey on innocent dumb souls, and on their way to the bank they pass any law they can to keep the constituency in the dark, where they found them. I don’t know why they meet in secrecy, this group of magpies could be at the table listening and not know what they are hearing, except some of their superficial bigotry that allows for the rest. Give us something to hate and we will give you the keys to our state, the future of our children, the well being of our souls. These people are like drug dealers pushing hate and fear and making a killing. And the state of Georgia has no embargo for being under a dictatorship, Castro should really take note of the modern way of doing things.

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

April 5th, 2012
1:00 pm

This is the way politics is run by both parties. At the moment it just seems like ALEC is very good at what they do. Don’t worry pretty soon the Democratic version will be as good or better. There probably already is a similar Democratic version in place but I just don’t know about it.

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” – The Wizard

Peadawg

April 5th, 2012
1:01 pm

http://espn.go.com/golf/masters12/story/_/id/7778736/obama-believes-women-admitted-augusta

Please, Obama, stfu. Don’t worry about a private organization. Stick to politics.

Anyways, we’ll probably never know if she’s a member or not since Augusta National doesn’t announce new members. IBM is such a huge sponsor; she’ll be on the 18th green for the green jacket ceremony that’s not televised.

Mary Elizabeth

April 5th, 2012
1:01 pm

Paul Krugman highlighted Coca Cola’s connection to ALEC in his March 26 editorial. Perhaps that is one reason Coca Cola withdrew from ALEC. Bringing the darkness to light does wonders.

“Now, ALEC isn’t single-handedly responsible for the corporatization of our political life; its influence is as much a symptom as a cause. But shining a light on ALEC and its supporters — a roster that includes many companies, from AT&T and Coca-Cola to UPS, that have so far managed to avoid being publicly associated with the hard-right agenda — is one good way to highlight what’s going on. And that kind of knowledge is what we need to start taking our country back.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1333645009-1+GCsyn4OlMMHXHktL3hzQ

RF

April 5th, 2012
1:03 pm

“Give us something to hate and we will give you the keys to our state, the future of our children, the well being of our souls.”

Reminds me of a sermon I heard recently on one of the religious channels…or maybe it was their news program, I’m not sure- they’re all so much alike now.

Wade Hampton

April 5th, 2012
1:03 pm

ALEC or AIPAC…………….
.
What’s the diff?

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
1:03 pm

RF

April 5th, 2012
12:22 pm

“The reality is, too many of the workers in this group are not reliable and it requires hiring more than what otherwise would be needed. Constantly adding employees and discharging employees is expensive. Plus, some in this group will try to game the system to collect workers comp and unemployment”

Again with the stereotyping…now they’re a “group”. I happen to be related to a few in the janitorial services field, and the only ‘game’ they’re playing is church league softball. How does one identify this “group” of which you know so very much?
___________________________

Unwad your panties; somewhere back in one of my posts on this subject I stated there are always exceptions.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
1:03 pm

One of the prime reasons you have an income tax is due to conservatives! In order to enact prohibition, they had to find something else to tax besides alcohol….so, thanks.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
1:04 pm

Steve — “There probably already is a similar Democratic version in place but I just don’t know about it.”

Our activist groups are a lot more open about themselves and their intentions, but y’all still scream about them.

Unions would be a good example of that.

josef

April 5th, 2012
1:05 pm

JHM

I thought you weren’t paying any attention to me…I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder… :-)

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
1:06 pm

josef — “I thought you weren’t paying any attention to me…I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder…”

Your words are weak, and I do not hear them any longer.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:07 pm

As Ralph Nader and Talking Head ?(?!!) among many others have noted, Washington DC is corporate owned territory.

We the people, at least the non-Republican people, are more than a little alarmed by how these once slaves are now our masters. And highly alarmed that the cowards in the halls of congress , in the White House and in the United States Supreme Court have sold off OUR sacred sovereignty to them.

Why would a legislator be interested in advancing cookie-cutter bills that are corporate give-aways for global firms located outside of their district? ALEC’s appeal rests largely on the fact that legislators receive an all-expenses-paid trip that provides many part-time legislators with vacations that they could not afford on their own, along with the opportunity to rub shoulders with wealthy captains of industry (major prospective out-of-state donors to their political campaigns). For a few hours of work on a task force and a couple of indoctrination sessions by ALEC experts, part-time legislators can bring the whole family to ALEC’s annual convention, work for a few hours, then stay in swank hotels, attend cool parties — even strip clubs– and raise funds for the campaign coffer, all heavily subsidized by the corporate till.

In 2009, ALEC spent $251,873 on childcare so mom and dad could have fun.

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
1:07 pm

“Paul Krugman ……………..”

What a twerp. I imagine smushing him under my thumb!

RF

April 5th, 2012
1:07 pm

“Unwad your panties”

They’re like those granny-bloomers- they just get up there and there ain’t a whole lot you can do about it in public.

Seriously though, cleaning services don’t exactly attract the best and brightest. If they could find a way to turn a profit and pay a little better, they might. Exactly how much does it cost to hire and fire an employee?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
1:08 pm

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am
Need more investigative reporting on the gop corruption.

Thanks.
______________________________________________________________________

Just gop corruption?

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

April 5th, 2012
1:08 pm

“y’all”

Free thinking people not tied to talking points.

mm

April 5th, 2012
1:09 pm

“Noot’s think tank ”

Is that one of them thar oxymorans?

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:09 pm

“Compare our military and economic power worldwide around 1910 with our military and economic power around 1945 or so. See a difference? That’s taxation for you.”

Not quite sir. We were on a phenomenal run of economic growth before hand. When Teddy Roosevelt sailed the great white fleet around the world (1907-1909) to demonstrate American military power that was obviously before the advent of the permanent income tax. That alone makes your point moot.

“And before you start pointing out that we were at war for most of 1945, be sure to factor our increased level of wartime TAXATION into your argument, particularly including high levels of war bond purchases by American citizens.”

Well of course we had to tax to build up an army and navy, etc. Duh! Wars are incredibly expensive and to ramp up production we had to tax and build a war machine. Doesn’t change the central point of my argument though that the U.S. became a world power because of a limited central government, a lower tax burden enabling strong growth. We did not become a world economic power because of govt which is a patently ridiculous argument which seems to be what finn uncool is implying.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:09 pm

For the life of me, I cannot understand why those white men only at Augusta EVER allowed blacks to join their club.

Pandering to political correctness.

Inexcusable.

Double Standard?

April 5th, 2012
1:09 pm

Ward 8 D.C. Councilman Marion Barry is on the hot seat again.

Celebrating his victory in the Democratic primary on Tuesday night, Barry spoke up about the prominence of businesses owned by Asians in the District.

“We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said in remarks first reported by WRC-TV. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”

mm

April 5th, 2012
1:10 pm

The righties still can’t see that deregulation caused this great recession, not excessive regulation.

Their masters have brainwashed them well.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

josef,

You weak worded willy you!

RF

April 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

“Is that one of them thar oxymorans?”

Probly…and we all know Noot’s a MOron, so I reckon it all goes together.

Beverly Fraud

April 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

OPEN and TRANSPARENT.

If you’re doing nothing wrong, why not just be OPEN and TRANSPARENT?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am
Paul,

It is doomy.

Nuff said.
_______________________________________________________________________

So one blogger puts words into another bloggers mouth.
Then you come along and condem the first blogger for something he DID NOT say.

And that makes sense to you?

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:12 pm

“The righties still can’t see that deregulation caused this great recession, not excessive regulation.”

Just when I needed a really good laugh. I knew I could count on mm for some silliness jit.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:12 pm

Peadawg, do you think it was a huge mistake for Augusta National to bend to the will of national outrage about their whites only position?

Peadawg

April 5th, 2012
1:13 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_49ers_bounty_040412

Is getalife going to keep defending Gregg Williams? What a prick…and I ain’t talking about no blood-giving.

josef

April 5th, 2012
1:14 pm

JHM

You’re funny…seriously! I’ve got this picture in mind of you sitting there, hands over ears, going nyanh-nyanh… :-)

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

ok, I read Drudge so all of y’all don’t have to.

and yep, there’s a pic of Marion Barry looking all… I dunno, black and stuff, literally top and center, and a link to this Very Important News Item there.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

Doom — “Not quite sir. We were on a phenomenal run of economic growth before hand. When Teddy Roosevelt sailed the great white fleet around the world (1907-1909) to demonstrate American military power that was obviously before the advent of the permanent income tax. That alone makes your point moot.”

Nope, Rejected. TR directed the fleet do that in order to *dispel* the worldwide image of the US as a small, provincial military power. Despite that PR move, we were *still* a small, provincial military power, which was why President Wilson tried to promulgate the League of Nations just a few years later. Our leaders recognized that we’d never be thought of as a military power unless and until we started *participating in* military actions, which was one of the reasons we *finally* entered WWI.

I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Japan, but I was there in 1991, shortly after Desert Storm, and several of the JGSDF officers I worked with privately expressed their view to me that they needed to participate in overseas, multinational force operations (e.g. the Sinai MFO mission) if Japan ever intended to be seen as a world power. It was just a few years later that the Japanese Diet amended their Constitution to allow them to do just that.

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

RF – I got off on the janitor thing unintenionally because Jay referenced ALEC coming up with ways to screw them. Most business owners I know would smile for a week if they could easily hire dependable people for janitor or similar work.

For a small business, I think its more a matter of the owners/managers time than the cost being too high. A payroll service will do the reporting which is normally included with the fee per payroll. We pay $40 per payday – that’s for everyone, not per person. The firing can cost you anywhere from nothing to a lot depending on if he/she goes quietly.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

Formerly that black guy,

I don’t even acknowledge getalife anymore. Haven’t responded to any of his posts in several weeks. He’s just not worthy.

Peadawg

April 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

“Peadawg, do you think it was a huge mistake for Augusta National to bend to the will of national outrage about their whites only position?”

It’s their choice. They are a private club. They can do what they want…what I think doesn’t really matter. I just wish people would shut up about them…again they’re a PRIVATE club.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

Regarding lack of regulation and the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism in 2008:

At least five distinct regulatory failures led to the current crisis.

Regulatory Failure Number One: Failure to Manage the U.S. Trade Deficit. The housing bubble (as well as the surge in leveraged buyouts of publicly traded companies (”private equity”)) was fueled by cheap credit — low interest rates. One reason for the cheap credit was an influx of capital into the United States from China. China’s capital surplus was the mirror image of the U.S. trade deficit — U.S. corporations were sending lots of dollars to China in exchange for the cheap stuff sold to U.S. consumers.

Regulatory Failure Number Two: Failure to Intervene to Pop the Housing Bubble. Along with an influx of capital, Federal Reserve policy kept interest rates very low. There were good reasons for the Fed Policy, but that did not mean the Fed was helpless to prevent the housing bubble. As economists Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot of the Center for Economic and Policy Research insisted at the time, Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan simply by identifying the bubble — and adjusting public perception of the future of the housing market — could have prevented or at least contained the bubble. He declined, and even denied the existence of a bubble.

Regulatory Failure Number Three: Financial Deregulation and Unchecked Financial “Innovation.” A key reason that mortgages were made available so widely and with such little review of recipients’ qualifications was a shift in which institutions hold the mortgages. Traditionally, banks made mortgages and held them. In the new era, banks and non-bank mortgage lenders made loans, but then sold the loans to others. Investment banks packaged lots of mortgage loans into “Collateralized Debt Obligations” (CDOs) and then sold them on Wall Street, with a promise of a steady stream of revenue from interest payments. These operations were pretty much unregulated. Despite the supposed sophistication of the investors involved, no one took account of how shoddy the loans were or — more fundamentally — the certainty that huge numbers would go bad if and when the housing bubble popped.

Regulatory Failure Number Four: Private Regulatory Failure. It was the job of ratings agencies (like Standard and Poor’s, and Moody’s) to assess the CDOs and give investors guidance on how risky they were. They failed totally, likely in part because they wanted to maintain good relations with the investment banks issuing the CDOs.

Regulatory Failure Number Five: No Controls Over Predatory Lenders. The toxic stew of financial deregulation and the housing bubble created the circumstances in which aggressive lenders were nearly certain to abuse vulnerable borrowers. The terms of your loan don’t matter, they effectively purred to borrowers, so long as the value of your house is going up. Lenders duped borrowers into conditions they could not possibly satisfy, making the current rash of foreclosures on subprime loans inevitable. Effective regulation of lending practices could have prevented the abusive loans, but none was to be found.

carlosgvv

April 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

Brosephus – “posting opinion as though it is verified fact”

Republican tools excel at this here.

meanoldman

April 5th, 2012
1:16 pm

NEVER forget that this secret cabal was the brain-child of Christian conservative Paul Weyrich.

josef

April 5th, 2012
1:17 pm

THULSA

He says he doesn’t hear my words any longer…I guess if I want him to hear I should keep them monosyllabic…forget understand or listen…they’ve got too many syllables… :-)

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Josef — “You’re funny…seriously!”

I don’t find your earlier comments at all funny. I’m seriously offended by what you said to me.

Once again, have a nice day.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Seriously though, cleaning services don’t exactly attract the best and brightest. If they could find a way to turn a profit and pay a little better, they might.

It’s amazing how people aren’t dedicated to a crappy job that pays them as little as possible. I don’t understand why they aren’t showing more loyalty to their employer.

JohnnyReb is that guy—you know, the one in the fast-food joint complaining minimum wage workers won’t personalize his order and kiss his booty for a $1 hamburger.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

what I think doesn’t really matter.

Of course, it doesn’t.

But that is not what I asked.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

Joe Mama,

Your 1:15 does not make a point. You’re not telling me anything in that which I do not already know. My central point to finn uncool is that the U.S became a dominant world power due to a system of limited govt, capitalism, economic freedom. And hence our economic rise to power. Military power derives from economic power. Now of course you have to tax in order to build a military. It doesn’t just build itself as we all know. But again that military power derives from our economic power. And we achieved that economic power with a limited govt and limited taxation. That is my point to finn uncool.

Oscar

April 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

Peadawg

April 5th, 2012
1:21 pm

“But that is not what I asked.” – Ok, then how about “I don’t care”? Again, they’re a private club. Leave them alone.

I’ll still watch the Masters every year and dream about going there no matter what they do. It’s still the prettiest golf course and best tournament of the year.

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
1:21 pm

Green enterprise is a liberal thingie…don’t tell Haley Barbour and the benighted Magnolia State that…

And don’t tell that to SC either

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765554074/SC-wind-turbine-test-facility-nears-completion.html

I don’t know what Georgia’s off shore wind potential is but I do know that you have shallow water extending for many miles off of Georgia’s coast and it’s fairly well protected from hurricanes historically. If there’s wind there, and I would think there would be, Georgia ought to be developing it.

emo

April 5th, 2012
1:22 pm

Actually, MSNBC has been reporting on ALEC for over a year…not that any of you would dare watch that, what you consider the liberal answer to Rush Limbaugh. They do, however, do real reporting and back it up with video and pictures. For all that, they still advertise themselves as “The place for politics”, rather than that Republican mouthpiece that calls itself “America’s newsroom”.

Peadawg

April 5th, 2012
1:22 pm

Also, Jamvet –

Am I mad that they “caved” to pc? No.

Am I mad that people piss and moan about what a private club does? Yes.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

Republicans have willfully driven down wages in this country.

To absurd extremes. For FOUR DECADES!!

And mind you, these wages are not some mythical thing applying to mythical people in some distant galaxy.

These are the wages that their neighbors and children and mothers and fathers make.

Why they delight in this is truly beyond explanation.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

josef,

What the hell did you say that offended Joe mama so much? Hard to imagine you ticking anybody off to the nth degree like that. Especially Joe mama. I like to give him hell a lot cause he has a thick skin and can take it and dish it right back and then the next day its no big deal. You musta been quite the meanie to have earned Joe’s red card.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:24 pm

So you don’t care that they caved then, but you care enough that you don’t want them to now?

I don’t get it.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
1:25 pm

Doom — “My central point to finn uncool is that the U.S became a dominant world power due to a system of limited govt, capitalism, economic freedom. And hence our economic rise to power. Military power derives from economic power. Now of course you have to tax in order to build a military. It doesn’t just build itself as we all know. But again that military power derives from our economic power. And we achieved that economic power with a limited govt and limited taxation. That is my point to finn uncool.”

We didn’t *achieve* our status as a world power until *after* we instituted an income tax, which disagrees with what you said earlier.

Further, wealthy individuals and well-situated businesses used to feel it was their *obligation* to contribute constructively towards society, despite the fact that taxation in the early and mid 20th century was *much* higher than it is today.

You *may* have a point in re limited government, but I’m afraid I can’t credit your claim with regards to limited taxation.

josef

April 5th, 2012
1:25 pm

JHM

Take all the offense you want and then add an extra dollop since I was being restrained…I bet you were the best dodge ball player in the fifth grade… :-)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
1:26 pm

My central point to finn uncool is that the U.S became a dominant world power due to a system of limited govt, capitalism, economic freedom. And hence our economic rise to power.

I won’t expect a response as you still didn’t respond to my earlier question, but I’m guessing you’re glossing over the fact that the economic rise was enabled by what Finn stated, which was essentially free labor by use of slave labor to achieve that economic greatness.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:26 pm

You musta been quite the meanie to have earned Joe’s red card.

I was thinking the same thing, Doomy.

josef, have you escalated your curmudgeonry???

Joseph

April 5th, 2012
1:26 pm

And this matters because????? $3.95 a gallon…..

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
1:26 pm

the U.S became a dominant world power due to a system of limited govt, capitalism, economic freedom.

And by “limited government” Doomy means “a government seizing and buying land from other countries, cleaning out the natives, then turning it over to those rugged individualist-capitalists.”

Peadawg

April 5th, 2012
1:27 pm

“but you care enough that you don’t want them to now?” – Where did I say I don’t want them to cave?

My problem with this whole thing is NOT about what Augusta does/doesn’t do. It’s with people that piss and moan about who a private club admits as their members.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
1:28 pm

Jay, have there been any legislation that has been submitted, on a local, state, or federal level that has/have been written by left leaning/progressive orgs? In other words, is there a “ALEC” for the left?

Who wrote the ACA?
Who wrote Cap and Trade?
Who wrote the bills that authorized the bills that subsidized the green energy loan guarantees?
Gun control bills?

You see where I’m going.

Fred ™

April 5th, 2012
1:30 pm

Any Braves fans can blog here and stream the audio of the game below. Oh and the link doesn’t work for Mets fans :lol:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/1570-wcle-am-cleveland,-tennessee

Oscar

April 5th, 2012
1:30 pm

the U.S became a dominant world power due to a system of limited govt, capitalism, economic freedom.

_________

And by massive government investment in infrastructure. Land to the railroads, road building, interstate highway system, funding to build the internet, Erie canal, TVA, public school system. etc

ALEC

April 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

We didn’t *achieve* our status as a world power until *after* we instituted an income tax, which disagrees with what you said earlier.

I disagree. We were a world economic power before the buildup of our military. You seem to be attributing our economic prosperity to the benefits of taxation. I don’t argue that taxes helped build the military. As I stated it doesn’t just build itself. Either you’re missing my point or I’m not explaining it that well. No biggie and not something I’m going to keep droning on about repeatedly.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
1:33 pm

OK, just curious, Peadawg.

$3.95 a gallon.

Buy a bicycle and quit whining about the free market…

Corey

April 5th, 2012
1:33 pm

Thulsa Doom
April 5th, 2012
10:58 am

This anti-business baloney spewed by the right wing is totally bogus. It’s not about being-anti business. Responsible policy makers realize that individuals are powerless when it comes to some business practices that put profits over worker safety, health of consumers and environmental concerns to name a few. The very same people crying about anti business are the very same people who want the government to craft legislation to force airlines to improve on-time flights. Do you really think businesses care more about you than the dollars you spend with them. Why do you think the illegal drug trade reaps such horrible consequence aside from the products’ affects on the users? That’s because there are no written rules.Can you imagine if businesses were totally unregulated and left to their own devices? That picture isn’t pretty. The primary role of government is to protect its citizens from each other and from and other elements and entities.

Mick

April 5th, 2012
1:34 pm

While everyone on the right was screaming ACORN, ALEC was working in the shadows with a much more sinister agenda….

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
1:35 pm

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:24 am
Any bets that any of these neocons had ever even heard of this group, much less read up on the very fist thing about them, before 15 minutes ago?

Or maybe, I’m wrong and they have a deep, working knowledge of this group and have for a long time!

Willfully stupid and fiercely proud of it.
_________________________________________________________________________

JamVet, are you saying that if a person does not have a “deep, working knowledge of this group and have for a long time” then they are “Willfully stupid and fiercely proud of it.”?

Do you know EVERY left leaning/progressive group out there and do you have a “deep, working knowledge of these groups and have for a long time”?

If not, does that make you “Willfully stupid and fiercely proud of it.”?

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
1:36 pm

Fred

Time to set my favorite ringtone on my phone…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Z-11PxYKU

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:37 pm

“And by massive government investment in infrastructure. Land to the railroads, road building, interstate highway system, funding to build the internet, Erie canal, TVA, public school system.etc”

Oscar,

Excellent point and govt does have a role. particularly in instances of market failure where the free market cannot or will not build something such as the Hoover Dam, the interstate highway system. Interestingly you left out the Panama Canal which in its day was a marvelous engineering feat. I’m not saying govt has no role. It does and should. I’m just saying that govt is not what made us great but primarily our economic system combined with a limited govt. Look at govt today and in my opinion its involved in all sorts of things that the founders couldn’t possibly have envisioned it being involved in. That’s all.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
1:38 pm

Citizen of the World

April 5th, 2012
11:33 am
Equating “regulation” with “anti-business” is a Republican meme akin to their equating “liberal” with “leech.”

Regulation of business (and a progressive tax system) gave rise to the safety and stability and security that allowed America to grow its large and prosperous middle class. And when all that goes away, which is what the Republicans are working on, say goodbye to your (relatively) secure middle class existence and hello to the sweatshop.
______________________________________________________________________________

Can you provide a link, cite or anything to back your claim that “And when all that goes away, which is what the Republicans are working on”

I’m sure you can… :roll:

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:39 pm

Mick,

Damn. Just as you log on I’m about to head out for a bit. We’ll have to pick on each other later dude.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
1:39 pm

Doom — “Either you’re missing my point or I’m not explaining it that well. No biggie and not something I’m going to keep droning on about repeatedly.”

Fair enough; we may be talking past each other. Thank you for keeping things cool.

Fred ™

April 5th, 2012
1:39 pm

Brocephus: When I saw the start time I was hacked and called my wife telling her we screwed up and could have gone to the opening day game. But then I saw it was in New York lol.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
1:43 pm

Fred

Home opener is next weekend. I had thought about getting tickets, but I’m waiting to decide which games I’m gonna take in. Getting up at 3am for work kinda limits my night games and working on most Sundays takes those games out of consideration.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
1:44 pm

“josef, have you escalated your curmudgeonry???”

JamVet,

I hear ya Jam. And here I thought all you libruls got along swimmingly well. Apparently not. I just can’t fathom that as much hell as I’ve given Joe mama and vice versa that its josef that has offended him the most. From my vantage point thass just plain weird. I’ll have to ask josef what his secret is for getting under Joe mama’s skin. Doomy out. I’ll be back to razz you guys later. Keep up the good work on the lib end JamVet.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
1:45 pm

Do you feel that?

That is the feeling of a come back.

Lets all thank President Obama for saving our country from the w disaster.

josef

April 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

ZamVet, Thulsa

All’s I did was call a hand held earth excavating instrument a hand held earth excavating instrument…the hand held earth excavating instrument didn’t much care for it… c’est la vie, c’est la guerre, c’est la même chose

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
1:52 pm

LOL, Thulsa making up history as he goes along. In 1940, the US had the 18th largest military of all the countries – right behind Romania!
Source: An Army at Dawn by Atkinson

paulo 977

April 5th, 2012
1:58 pm

Right on JAY for shining the light on this ‘lethal’ entity whose tentacles reach all over

http://www.kappanmagazine.org/content/93/6/51.abstract

AngryRedMarsWoman

April 5th, 2012
1:59 pm

ALEC on the Right, others on the Left. All (ALL) of our legislators are owned by special interests to some extent, and they are going to do what makes their masters happy. The political class as a whole is our downfall, and one side is not any better or worse than the other. We’re getting screwed from both sides, and not in the “good” way.

Streaming the Braves v. Mets…kinda hard to get mad or even think about anything except Balls and Strikes, etc. on Opening Day. Peace

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
2:01 pm

Streaming the Braves v. Mets…

No streaming here… Sports South is my bestest buddy!! :)

josef

April 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

Don’t Forget

In reference to Mississippi Green…the state has a long standing economic development policy of balancing agriculture with industry and the two sectors have a tradition of working together and MSU (Cow College) has been a leader in those endeavors. Green technology was tailor made for its development scheme and something both “sides” could agree on.

And Mississippi State? Proud to say some of mah an-ces-tuhs were intrumental in its founding…though Great Granny Martha was p*ssed as all hell that its programs didn’t target the woman in agriculture…her own granddaughter, did, though put in her time to rectify said matter! Long story there…

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

Bros you have, how you say, ze electronic mail.

GT

April 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

Steve some of those states have two parties. It makes this kind of stuff more difficult. The press, 15 years ago didn’t wear uniforms either. Murdock just captured England in the same manner ALEC locked up the red states. People, even educated people sale out, doctors, lawyers, churches and media. It is like the Catholic church hiding pedophiles, they are not part of it but hoping it will just go away. And the people who profit like Gingrich and Tom Delay, are like the drug dealers in minority neighborhoods, role models for the next generation, Godfather 20 or is it 21.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
2:20 pm

U.S became a dominant world power due to a system of limited govt

Nope, wrong again. The US was able to quickly ramp up in WW2 because of 1) lots of idle factories due to the depression and 2) the effects of the New Deal. The New Deal saw the size of government explode with new agencies. Having gotten used to the large levels of bureaucracy made what was to come next that much easier.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

Since we contribute so much corporate welfare, we should share dividends of their profits.

Send out checks to the American people for big oil profit sharing.

Fair is fair.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
2:21 pm

dB

Gotcha and returned serve. Lemme know what you think on those designs. :)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

“In our own case, it produces laws drafted not to respond to Georgia problems or to protect Georgia citizens, but to secretly benefit interests that really don’t give a whit about the state.”

You mean like WHO wrote the Obamacare and similar laws? You know, the Obama didn’t write, his Administration didn’t write and Dems. in the Congress didn’t write (nor did any of these even read it).

So WHO WROTE THAT ONE ?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

Since we saved the banks, we should get a share of their profits too.

Fair is fair.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

0311 — “So WHO WROTE THAT ONE ?”

ZOMG SOSHULIZUM

Beverly Fraud

April 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

SUNSHINE. Let the SUN SHINE IN. What happened when the ajc DIDN’T let the sun shine in?

THE largest cheating scandal in United States educational history, creating the perfect vacuum for organizations like ALEC to swoop in.

At least Jay had the integrity to express buyer’s remorse.

Let’s just make sure the ALEC cure isn’t worse than the disease, (and given the state of public education in Georgia, that speaks VOLUMES)

Fly-on-the-Wall

April 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

I’ve read here that some on the right feel that not all rules for labor, the environment, etc. should be removed. I think we need that healthy discussion on how much is too much. How much environmental control is too much or too little? How about labor – what rights and protections should labor have – what is too much or too little. That is the discussion I want to see in this election. I think it will be telling to see how Obama and Romney respond and hopefully the press/moderators will push them to speak how they really would approach these things that will impact all of us and our children.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

scout,

I told you who wrote the bill.

Money trumps your failed ideology.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
2:26 pm

Headline: “Former Obama Law Student Speaks Out”

“Imagine if you picked up your morning paper to read that one of your astronomy professors had publicly questioned whether the earth, in fact, revolves around the sun. Or suppose that one of your economics professors was quoted as saying that consumers would purchase more gasoline if the price would simply rise. Or maybe your high school math teacher was publicly insisting that 2 + 2 = 5. You’d be a little embarrassed, right? You’d worry that your colleagues and friends might begin to question your astronomical, economic, or mathematical literacy.

Now you know how I felt this morning when I read in the Wall Street Journal that my own constitutional law professor had stated that it would be “an unprecedented, extraordinary step” for the Supreme Court to “overturn[] a law [i.e., the Affordable Care Act] that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.” Putting aside the “strong majority” nonsense (the deeply unpopular Affordable Care Act got through the Senate with the minimum number of votes needed to survive a filibuster and passed 219-212 in the House), saying that it would be “unprecedented” and “extraordinary” for the Supreme Court to strike down a law that violates the Constitution is like saying that Kansas City is the capital of Kansas. Thus, a Wall Street Journal editorial queried this about the President who “famously taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago”: “[D]id he somehow not teach the historic case of Marbury v. Madison?”

http://nation.foxnews.com/thom-lambert/2012/04/05/former-obama-law-student-speaks-out

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
2:26 pm

“The Koch Crooks” – We put that shyte on EVERYTHING!!!!

josef

April 5th, 2012
2:27 pm

FINN
@ 2:20

Yep. Lest we forget.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
2:27 pm

oops, m numbers were off:

“…in September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the U.S. Army had ranked seventeenth in the world in size and combat power, just behind Romania. When 136 German divisions conquered Western Europe in the Spring of 1940, our War Department reported that we could only field five divisions! Equipment and weaponry were pathetic. Soldiers trained with drainpipes for antitank guns, stovepipes for mortar tubes, and brooms for rifles…Only six medium tanks had been built in 1939…..This in part reflected an enduring loyalty to the horse…The Army’s cavalry chief assured Congress in 1941 that four well-spaced horsemen could charge half a mile across an open field to destroy an enemy machine-gun nest without sustaining a scratch.”

An Army at Dawn.

By the way, this is a really good book

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
2:29 pm

“Fox News” – They put that shyte on EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!

josef

April 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

FRAUD

Not defending Ole Missus and her lot in the least since I have to wear her egg on my face, but by no means the worst educational scandal in American history. That “honor” belongs to the occupation of 1865-1890. But that’s a page of American history best left closed and unread.

Jefferson

April 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

Numbers is lost again.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
2:31 pm

Headline: “Obama’s Budget: ‘Interest Payments Will Exceed Defense Budget’ in 2019″

Did you ever guess?

April 5th, 2012
2:33 pm

Moderate Line

April 5th, 2012
12:28 pm

Obama has raised $157 million while Romney has raised $75 million total.

….but Romney gave the difference to his Mormon church.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
2:35 pm

fly,

willard fights for no regulations so that debate is over.

Of course, there should be a balance but the gop ideology is against that common sense idea.

Gator Joe

April 5th, 2012
2:35 pm

Jay:
I don’t know what Corporate America would do if they didn’t have organizations like ALEC, and people like the Koch brothers to protect them from those “bothersome” issues which affect their profits. Bothersome issues like not being allowed to pollute the environment, or having to provide a safe and healthy workplace for workers, or paying their fair amount of taxes.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
2:36 pm

Headline (CNN): “CNN Enhances Zimmerman 911 Call Again — And Reporter Now Doubts Racial Slur Used”

Well, well …………………. now it’s “f”ing cold instead of “f”ing coon”. Imagine that from Zimmerman who handed out flyers about racial injustice by the police department and tutored black children on the weekends for free.

Can anyone say “Duke Lacrosse” ?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-enhances-zimmerman-911-call-again-and-reporter-now-doubts-racial-slur-used/

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

0311 — “saying that it would be “unprecedented” and “extraordinary” for the Supreme Court to strike down a law that violates the Constitution is like saying that Kansas City is the capital of Kansas.”

So is Thom Lambert asserting that the ACA is unconstitutional? Maybe he was out sick the day they pointed out that SCOTUS decides what is and isn’t unconstitutional, not him.

Thom Lambert’s as welcome to express his opinion as anyone else, but if he’s trying to make a claim of fact, then he’s doing the same thing he accuses the President of doing.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
2:39 pm

Headline: “Man, 78, recounts assault by 6 youths in E. Toledo”

Note the headline leaves out that the 78 year old man was white and the “youths” were black.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
2:41 pm

Joe Hussein Mama :

Pretty weak.

CJ

April 5th, 2012
2:41 pm

Off topic…

Jay, if you’re out there, please read: “Finance expert says speculators are behind high oil and gasoline prices

World supply and demand explains the general trends, but not the short-term volatility…

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/04/144181/finance-expert-says-speculators.html#storylink=cpy

St Simons - codewords are the new black

April 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

Yesterday, it was “Caesar”.

Today, totally out of the box, the Fox-Am-radio (same thing)
talky words are “big gubmint nanny state”

Well, which is it, cons? It’s that missing Irony/shame gene again.

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

Our President(threw his press secretary) has weighed in on Augusta National’s membership policies… no word on Wellesley College’s.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
2:44 pm

OMG-Where did the press secretary land?

Doggone/GA

April 5th, 2012
2:44 pm

“(threw his press secretary)”

How far did he throw him?

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
2:44 pm

Correction: meant “through”…he did not toss his press secretary.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

Now that right thar is jes plane sckeery

Augusta, GA

April 5th, 2012
2:47 pm

josef

April 5th, 2012
2:47 pm

Did he land on his feet?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
2:47 pm

weak is posting drudgey all day.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
2:48 pm

Wow, Scout, you almost made a half-assed effort to post on topic before dumping a bunch of race-baiting posts in here.

Kudos. This is progress.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
2:48 pm

0311 — “Pretty weak.”

In that case, you should have no problem mounting a convincing counter-argument. Let’s see you take that hill, Marine.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

Perhaps scout should go hang out with the other weak cons on kyle’s blog.

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

josef,
touche`

GT

April 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801 more the laws like illegal immigration that sucks the blood out of the farmer leaving his crops in the field or anti women movements when over 50% of this state is women, more single mothers percentage wise than anywhere in the country. Obamacare does give a whit about the state, that like all states are suffering under rising health cost, caused by uninsured. There are states that do not have our view of illegal immigration that love to see us so non competitive, that are more progressive and love to see us not. Georgia is the 181th transit facility in the country, last is almost everything else that brings business to this state. Who is giving a whit about this state? Sure is not who we are electing to state offices, we have digress in the last 20 years from a position most thought impossible to get any worse.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
2:54 pm

“CHEVY VOLT PAYS FOR ITSELF — IN JUST 27 YEARS!” drudegy.

More gop anti business lies.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
2:55 pm

Let’s see you take that hill, Marine.

Oh he so totally would, if it wasn’t for the scary dark yootes up there.

josef

April 5th, 2012
2:55 pm

TY

Couldn’t resist! I go back sometimes and read what I wrote in haste, and know that my Granny’s grey ghost is rolling eyes… :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
2:57 pm

AQUAGIRL

The Utes…THAT was one of the funniest scenes ever put on film to me! Loved that movie, too…

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
2:59 pm

josef,
I never took you for a homophonic-phobic.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
3:01 pm

Or maybe your high school math teacher was publicly insisting that 2 + 2 = 5.

Had a college professor who did that exact thing for a Differential Equations class. I wasn’t there, and I don’t know how he did it, but he was a legend at our school for doing that. He was also legendary because nobody passed his class with grades higher than a C. If you scored higher, he thought he had made things too easy for you and retested you with a much more challenging test.

Now you know how I felt this morning when I read in the Wall Street Journal that my own constitutional law professor

??? I thought somebody, on the right if I remember correctly, had already pointed out that Obama was not a professor and was only a lecturer. You would think that a news agency that prided itself on being balanced would also be factual in its reporting and editing.

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:01 pm

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:02 pm

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
3:05 pm

Note the headline leaves out that the 78 year old man was white and the “youths” were black.

Some people are never satisfied. They b*tch when race is used in the headline, and they b*tch when race is not mentioned in the headline.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
3:05 pm

THAT was one of the funniest scenes ever put on film to me!

Poor Scout….he posts a link with such bunged-up indignation, and all we can think of is Herman Munster inquiring “Utes?”

RF

April 5th, 2012
3:07 pm

Here’s an interesting little piece that ties in with what we’ve been discussion today. Seems it’s all part of the bigger picture of restoring good ol’ American values.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/8305-the-assault-on-public-education

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
3:08 pm

Shameless

I was wondering if Moonbats have a limit on just how low they think Obama should go to get reelected?

He has now weighed in on women belonging to Augusta National.

I should have seen this coming since Jay had a thread on it earlier. Which gives more evidence to a coordinated effort by the White House and Legacy Media to get the bamster reelected. Disgusting.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
3:11 pm

JReb-your guy should have thought of this big idea sooner.

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:12 pm

A person’s melanin content, eye or hair color, height weight and ethnicity are appropriate in a police report, but usually not in the news report.
When are folks going to get that through their numb skulls? Probably never.

Nothing tickles me any more than a mug shot of an obviously black male and the news reader says the “suspect is a black male…” No sh*t.

An APB on the news trying to catch a suspect, a child napper or what have you? It would be plain stupid not to say “the suspect is a Hispanic female in her twenties of medium height and build who speaks English with a heavy accent…”

Netbanker

April 5th, 2012
3:13 pm

“Obamacare does give a whit about the state, that like all states are suffering under rising health cost, caused by uninsured.”

Are you sure that Obamacare gives a whit because that law also significantly expands who qualifies for Medicare? States kick in at least 1/3 of Medicare costs which means quite the cost increase for state budgets.

It all sounds so wonderful until we get to the question of “Where does the money come from to pay for all that expanded insurance coverage?”

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
3:14 pm

Josef,
I can see what you’re saying about Miss. being a good place for the mix of ag and industry. Miss will always have a major ag component but with that aquatic highway running down the left side there’s a lot of opportunity for an industrial side as well. One potential for that is for a partnership of wind and ag. Since many farms use central pivot irrigation it seems a perfect match to stick a windmill in the corners since the crop yields are lower there anyway. I would also think it would be a good area for algae development partly because of the weather but also because they have genetically modified strains that don’t require light and can be used in closed digesters to “compost” farm waste. I’m a little surprised that so many on the right ridicule the “algae solution”. Yeah there’s a lot of kinks to work out but the beauty of algae energy is that it produces an oil that is very similar to crude and goes to the refinery without need for any major refitting and produces a gasoline that’s just as good as petrol. Seems like a promising solution to the fact that most green energy isn’t all that well suited for transportation. Wonder if they’d feel differently if they new they could run their hummers and suburbans without having to change a thing.
As to BOW, I always kind of wondered what that “amen” was all about at the end of each post. Got a chuckle but didn’t know the significance. Now that I’ve seen the sight, well, got a good laugh especially about the 12 days of Newt Christmas. I didn’t really think you were that hard on JHM but didn’t follow all that closely. I read his posts but frankly they don’t stand out to me either for good or bad. What I do know is that you are an esteemed blogger of the first order around these parts so those observations probably had a lot more sting that they would from most and that may or may not have been your intent. Just an observation.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
3:15 pm

Bro, I am convinced that the corporal should check into whether stromfront has a blog. He would fit in perfectly.

Thank goodness the Southern Poverty Law Center is dealing with the real miscreants instead of these blogging wannabe versions.

Reb,

Peadawg and I were conversing earlier about how inexcusable it was that Augusta National caved to those filthy liberals, political correctness and national outrage and finally admitted black (ewww!) people in.

What a disgraceful group they are, huh?

Jay

April 5th, 2012
3:20 pm

I should have seen this coming since Jay had a thread on it earlier.

Yes, you should have, JohnnyReb. As everyone knows, I set the national narrative and the White House follows my lead several days later (insert eyeroll).

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
3:21 pm

Duh! Wars are incredibly expensive and to ramp up production we had to tax and build a war machine.

Nothing that a hefty tax cut will not pay for, eh Doom.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
3:21 pm

He has now weighed in on women belonging to Augusta National.

Really?

By some chance, could you point me to an online news amalgamater where I might learn of such information of pressing import? Preferably one with a retro, mid-90s sorta feel, that uses a lot of Courier type?

If the website proprietor could sport a smelly fedora, that’d be like icing on the cake.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
3:22 pm

Netbanker — “Are you sure that Obamacare gives a whit because that law also significantly expands who qualifies for Medicare? States kick in at least 1/3 of Medicare costs which means quite the cost increase for state budgets. It all sounds so wonderful until we get to the question of “Where does the money come from to pay for all that expanded insurance coverage?”

And yet states can opt out, yet none have done so. How curious.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
3:22 pm

josef:

“A person’s melanin content, eye or hair color, height weight and ethnicity are appropriate in a police report, but usually not in the news report.”

Unless of course it is a hate crime.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
3:23 pm

Braves down 1 – zip at Money Launderers Field…

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
3:23 pm

Stands — “By some chance, could you point me to an online news amalgamater where I might learn of such information of pressing import? Preferably one with a retro, mid-90s sorta feel, that uses a lot of Courier type? If the website proprietor could sport a smelly fedora, that’d be like icing on the cake.”

If you’d settle for a straw boater, then Carl Kolchak might fit in here.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:25 pm

That Black Guy: Who wrote the ACA?
Who wrote Cap and Trade?
Who wrote the bills that authorized the bills that subsidized the green energy loan guarantees?
Gun control bills?

How many of those were introduced in multiple STATE legislatures? Because that’s what we’re talking about here – manipulation of the state laws, which are mostly immune to the standard attack on federal legislation (Unconstitutional!)

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
3:25 pm

Becky and JamVet – I don’t think Mitt would breach the subject unless asked, and have a fairly high confidence he would defer to it being a private club.

Obama doesn’t give two hoots if women belong to Augusta National. This is just another opportunity, a planned one, to pander to easily swayed women voters who would not join a golf club if their life depended on it but think it’s a big deal they have the right to do so.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
3:26 pm

Thank you President Obama for fighting for women.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:26 pm

Jay: You can copy and paste wordpress emoticons and they come out as text. :roll: is one, it is
: roll :

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:26 pm

Dont Forget

I’m with you on the algae thingie and it is defintely on the table (oops!) in the R&D. As you might expect, given the topography and climatology it has long been a real “problem,” a problem that now seems to be a diamond in the rough.

As another sidelight on all this, as I’ve posted here before, Chahta Enterprises is the state’s largest employer, gambling being a tertiary source of employment and income for the tribal enterprise. They have expressed some serious interests in the green movement, merging the modern technology with the traditional values and playing it to the PR hilt.
******
As for JHM, I guess I ought to be ashamed for hunting gnats with an elephant gun, but folks pick on Mississippi, pull its hair, give it a wedgie in the locker room, cuss it, slap it, spit on it, and then when Mississippi turns around and poles the sh*t out of them, like most bullies, they go whining “you’re being mean to me.”

Anyway, thanks for the kind words.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
3:27 pm

TaxPayer:

In case you missed my reply to you last night.

April 4th, 2012
11:26 pm

From Taxpayer @ 10:28

“Cutesy. How quaint. Like I said, yuo pay the 30 billion since you think it irrelevant.Go for it.”

And again @ 11:12
.
“Would you like me to help you with your spell checker as well.”

Ah TaxPayer ………………. would you like me to help YUO ?

I usually try to stay away from spelling errors, etc. (unless there is some good humor involved) as it shows an absence of a good debate response.
Sooooooooooo ……………. if you want to call a truce fine …….. but if not ………. we will continue to watch for errors.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
3:27 pm

JReb-I really don’t care one way or the other but did you miss the part of the direct quote that said “personal opinion”? After all, he has to live with Mrs. Obama and their 2 young girls.

I wouldn’t want to belong to their club becuase I think Billy Payne is an asshat.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:27 pm

BTW, I thought for sure RB would have a comeback in the hours I just spent cleaning up a server being down, and I thought for sure I’d get something more substantive than an LOL from godless, which was his last comment too. Busy day, folks? :D

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
3:28 pm

Obama doesn’t give two hoots if women belong to Augusta National…

So when did he tell you this?

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:28 pm

JAY

Well, we DO know Obama is watching you… :-)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
3:29 pm

JamVet

:lol: :lol: :lol:

————————-

Jay

I never knew you had such influence over DC. I should have used you to push issues regarding Fed employees a long time ago. Maybe the GOP would quit trying to use us as their personal bank to pay for their spending issues.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
3:30 pm

Headline: “Obama’s War On Women”

“The president himself, however, has a well-documented history of excluding women, especially on the golf course.

Obama played 23 rounds of golf between January and October of 2009 before inviting a single woman to his foursome, the New York Times reported.”

http://freebeacon.com/obamas-war-on-women/

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:31 pm

Also Jay, “if you can’t beat em, pretend they are part of a liberal cabal,” seems to be the argument to use when cons want to run and hide recently. They do it when the other desperate ploy, “I’m rubber, you’re glue,” doesn’t work.

I heard the original version of the con song. It was called “I’m the Victim.” Part of the chorus was “You play the victim, I AM the Victim.” It was a song devoted to those who pretend to be victims and that everyone is doing to them what they are in fact doing to everyone else.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
3:31 pm

Not sure if anyone is familiar with the case mentioned in the link below, but it appears when it first ran the local paper forgot to mention it the title the race of both of the person killed and the individual who killed them

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-02-29/news/os-fatal-shooting-sanford-townhomes-20120226_1_gated-community-death-sunday-night-shot

something is strange here

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:32 pm

ZamVet

Just playing EOI here, but I really don’t think he GAVE two hoots in hell and doubt it ever crossed his mind, having bigger issues to deal with, but given the War on Women and it being a topique du jour, it was good for a shot over the bow…

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
3:32 pm

Bro

When I mentioned earlier this week that Jay was “moving on up”, little did I know how high…….

kayaker 71

April 5th, 2012
3:33 pm

If the CEO of IBM was a black woman, Bozo would have already voiced his displeasure. But it’s campaign time and all races of women are fair game in the liberal “war on women”, nes-c’est-pas?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
3:33 pm

Yes scout,

The gop war on women caused extensive damage to your failed party.

There are no women left on kyle’s blog so you can attack them over there.

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
3:33 pm

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
3:28 pm

Obama doesn’t give two hoots if women belong to Augusta National…

So when did he tell you this?
_______________

Barry does not talk to me, I’m on his enemies list. However, I will concede the proper wording would be “my opinion” is …….

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:33 pm

Scout: Headline: I’M RUBBER, YOU’RE GLUE.

Sorry dude, here’s what the right is doing:

The Right’s Class Warfare – check
The Right’s War on Women – check
The Right’s War on Workers – check
The Right’s War on Education – check
The Right’s War on Health Care – check
The Right’s strategy of blame the left for all that stuff (so it seems like the charges the left are making don’t mean anything) – check

I’m sorry you fell for the ruse. I hope you get better soon.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
3:34 pm

Bro, knowing Reb’s high regard for intellectual honesty, there probably was no conversation. I’m guessing that the president sent him a letter stating that.

(Like Bugs used to say, “Ain’t I a stinker?”)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
3:35 pm

“If the CEO of IBM was a black woman, Bozo would have already voiced his displeasure. ”

Wow……. Do tell us what else who would or wouldn’t do?

You have the inside scoop unlike 99.99% of us

Ridiculous

April 5th, 2012
3:36 pm

White House press secretary Jay Carney said on Thursday that Obama’s “personal opinion is that women should be admitted” to the golf club. Carney said it was “up to the club to decide” but Obama told him he personally thinks women should be welcome.

You would think President Obama had held a press conference based on Mr. Reb’s comment.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
3:36 pm

There ya go, Reb.

Unless Barry’s gone all Nixon on us, I doubt he has a hit list. And if he did, I suspect there would be bigger fish than you on it.

But then, I have no idea of your activities or your past!

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:36 pm

If the CEO of IBM was a black woman, Bozo would have already voiced his displeasure.

Race baiting card!

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
3:37 pm

Hey Scout, here are the next headlines you’re supposed to spam us with:

Jesse Jackson calls on blacks to wear hoodies to polling places…

MARION BARRY: ‘We’ve got to do something about these Asians coming in’…

‘Dirty’ shops ‘ought to go’…

UPDATE: Tweets pics of dirty shops…

Just thought I’d save you some ctrl-c and ctrl-v’n.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:37 pm

“Obama has drones and Seal Team Six. If he hated you, you would KNOW IT.” – Jon Stewart

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
3:38 pm

Santorum’s home state. Republicans there will vote on April 24, and for Santorum the long-term fallout from a defeat could be severe. He came to this race with a reputation as a “loser,” the result of his 18-point Senate reelection loss in 2006, and all of the image restoration he’s achieved with his unlikely primary season performance could be undone if he fails to win his home state.

stay in the race, Ricky! Remember, God doesn’t believe in pulling out!

kayaker 71

April 5th, 2012
3:40 pm

Suck, 3:35,

Bozo’s selective indignation is almost as blatant as Bookman’s, Suck, or haven’t you figured that out yet? This narcissist clown is only critical when it helps to get votes….. He wears his sincerity on his sleeve while his finger is in the wind. A person with your intelligence should have figured that out already.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:41 pm

kayaker: selective indignation

Make a sentence with the following three words:

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:42 pm

Attack JohnnyReb all y’all want, and I probably disagree with him as much if not more than any of y’all, but the boy is my hero and always will be. He’s got enough cajones to admit to and repent for past errors against me and my kind…and I’ll be honest, all of the folks coming in here expressing support, and I DO appreciate it, have yet to admit their own past sins that direction. Snicker, snicker.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

April 5th, 2012
3:43 pm

A person with your intelligence should have figured that out already

Like saying “I’m the greatest person in the world, A person with your intelligence should have figured that out already”

If you don’t agree with Kayaker’s opinions, you are teh dumbazz.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
3:44 pm

josef, not that it matters a tinker’s damn, I don’t know. Perhaps he does and perhaps he doesn’t.

My overarching point was how certain people here have become addicted to speaking and thinking for anybody and everybody but themselves.

And to your point, the timing of the Tweedledum Party has gone from horrible to laughable.

Some one needs to write a book, How the GOP became a living version of an Ashton Kutcher sitcom.”

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:45 pm

ZamVet

Barry’s hit list? I doubt seriously Johnny Reb’s on it, but ask that American citizen blown to his 72 virgins and he might beg to differ, or OBL for that matter…

But, I dunno, Alan the Black Cat may have been informed. :-)

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
3:45 pm

Indeed Scout. I misspelled “you”. :roll: I do hope you feel vindicated now.

Talking Head

April 5th, 2012
3:46 pm

“Holder’s politically motivated crusade against voter ID laws has the support of liberal advocacy organizations ranging from the Center for American Progress and Media Matters to the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law and the Advancement Project.

Each of these organizations has criticized photo identification for voting, yet they require it to enter their Washington, D.C., offices as well. There’s even a sign in the building of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law: “ALL VISITORS MUST SHOW ID.”

Oh the lib hypocracy…

“Liberals have long trotted out false arguments about voter ID laws, claiming they suppress the vote among those individuals who do not have photo identification. But a 2008 U.S. Supreme Court case upholding Indiana’s voter ID law revealed there was no such hardship. Opponents of the law were unable to produce a single plaintiff who could plausibly claim inability to get a photo ID. In addition, states with longstanding voter ID laws, such as Georgia and Indiana, have actually experienced an increase in turnout of minority voters.”

getalife

April 5th, 2012
3:47 pm

Without drudgey, scout would have nothing to say.

He still thinks drudgey is credible.

Try posting without drudgey for a change scout.

Use your own brain.

Oscar

April 5th, 2012
3:47 pm

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:12 pm
A person’s melanin content, eye or hair color, height weight and ethnicity are appropriate in a police report, but usually not in the news report.
When are folks going to get that through their numb skulls? Probably never.
++++++++++++++

I agree. I think it’s time to stop putting the races of people in news reports. Past time. Race is a vague term with no specific definition. More and more people are mixed. Time to quiet race baiting in the news.

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
3:47 pm

now if the GOP could only “wage war” on people who constantly make hyperbolic fools of themselves by claiming that a “war” is being “waged” on them or their cause.

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:48 pm

ZamVet

Holding them all in equal disrespect and low regard, it’s fun to sit on the sidelines and chuckle…and both “sides” are pretty much a Fox Channel sit com…

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:48 pm

I just love the arguments that basically go “Why aren’t you upset about (fill-in-the-blank-thing-I’M-upset-about)?” because it displays a double standard and an ignorance. Somehow, in some way, everyone is supposed to always be aware of and speak up in indignation over everything and everyone, BUT ONLY if that person is upset about something you yourself are not upset about. Then they are somehow wrong for not equally applying their “upsetedness” to other things.

Somehow, cons are allowed to complain about things they find upsetting, and only those things, but anyone else, whether liberal or not (they just have to be not of exact like mind) has to be upset about whatever they are upset about AND everything the con is upset about too.

We all get upset about different things. Get over it and stay over it. Don’t like what’s said? Scroll past it. For example: I have found Joseph and I can co-exist because I use this simple method: I don’t read his posts.

Oscar

April 5th, 2012
3:49 pm

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

______________

My pot didn’t taste right so I threw it in the black kettle and boiled it till it lost its bad ordor.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
3:49 pm

kayaker

I’ve never stated the Obama isn’t a politician’s politician……

IMO for what it is worth, I don’t know of many in either party who do not fit the same bill…………

Republican Presidents, Congressmen and Senators have all played political games to some extent or another when they thought it would help them or the party.

People on both sides do not like to look in the mirror, so what they will call out on one hand, they will in many cases ignore or downplay when the same type thing is done on the other

Not just politicians, I would say that everyone of us who are regulars on this blog are guilty to some degree or another……

I asked Jay once to write something on Obama’s hypocrisy when it comes to Super Pacs. Guess it wasn’t worth it to him or I missed the column, My point, while I’m no fan or believer in the majority of overall “right wing” policy and ideology, I’m no huge fan of how Democrats govern either. I’m center left, but not a stooge for the politics played on both sides of the fence

USMC

April 5th, 2012
3:50 pm

Former Obama Law Student Speaks Out…
http://nation.foxnews.com/thom-lambert/2012/04/05/former-obama-law-student-speaks-out

I wonder if Obama wore a Hoodie when he “taught” at Law school??? LOL! :-)
(You guys have been listening to too much hate radio and TV with the likes of Keith Olbermann, etc.)

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
3:50 pm

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:25 pm
That Black Guy: Who wrote the ACA?
Who wrote Cap and Trade?
Who wrote the bills that authorized the bills that subsidized the green energy loan guarantees?
Gun control bills?

How many of those were introduced in multiple STATE legislatures? Because that’s what we’re talking about here – manipulation of the state laws, which are mostly immune to the standard attack on federal legislation (Unconstitutional!)
________________________________________________________________________________

1) did you read the ENTIRE question that I posted? It included the words “local, STATE, and federal”.

2) I listed those as EXAMPLES of federal (ACA) and STATE bills (gun control).

3) Although I’m sure it breaks one of the rules YOU have set for blogging here, but myself and others are free to discuss the topic within the parameters we see fit.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
3:50 pm

ty,

Like the lie of our President’s war on religion?

kayaker 71

April 5th, 2012
3:50 pm

Adam, 3:41,

How on God’s earth can you profess to trust this sham of a president? He lies most every day about something, he wastes money like it was his own, he passes bills through arm twisting, bribes and payoffs with even more lies. He obviously does not like the USA or anything that it stands for. He makes empty patriotic statements while undermining our very Constitutional existence. He has no respect for any other branch of government except his own while being openly critical of the Supreme Court for doing their job and a Republican Congress that wants to curtail this insane spending that he cannot stop doing. He tells the Russian president to wait until; he is re-elected and then he will have more control over the outcome of missile negotiations, certainly not in the best interests of our country. He just does not give a tinker’s damn about the future of this country except to place it under some kind of government yoke that stifles growth, takes away freedom of it’s citizens and makes government the boss. I went to see the Hunger Games last night with my 10 yr old grandson….. his comment? “Think that’s our future, granddad?”. It’s looking more like it every day.

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:51 pm

Finn

G-d doesn’t believe in pulling out…I don’t care who you are, thass funny! :-)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
3:51 pm

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
3:51 pm

getalife,
yeah, that one too.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:52 pm

Opponents of the law were unable to produce a single plaintiff who could plausibly claim inability to get a photo ID

That is no longer the case. There are people that are having an extraordinarily difficult time getting photo IDs. Each voter ID case is different. Some voter ID laws don’t disenfranchise. For example, those that accept most common forms of photo ID such as student ID, passport, and out of state ID. However, some laws do, for instance insisting that the photo ID be issued recently, or be up to date with address, or excluding specific types of ID.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
3:52 pm

But enough about when / how / why the President weighed in on de po’ oppressed white men of Augusta.

Atrios is up to the seventh runner-up, in his long-awaited Wanker of the Decade awards. Figured you all needed to know this.

Netbanker

April 5th, 2012
3:52 pm

I disagree with Josef. I think one’s ethnicity is important in news reports if only because the liberal media and minority leaders just don’t want to admit that certain minority groups more frequently commit crimes than other minority groups. Call that racist (which is most certainly isn’t) or bigotted if you want, but the numbers don’t lie. Glorify thug culture? Don’t be surprised when your youth act like thugs.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:53 pm

That Black Guy: Talk about what you want, but if you’re comparing federal laws that you are implying are written up by some group to multiple state laws being copied and written up from ALEC, you are comparing apples to oranges. What was your point, if not to say there is some sort of equivalence?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

“I went to see the Hunger Games last night with my 10 yr old grandson….. his comment? “Think that’s our future, granddad?”. It’s looking more like it every day.”

Oh, the drama.

Not sure if I would take a ten year old to see that movie.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

F. McCool — “stay in the race, Ricky! Remember, God doesn’t believe in pulling out!”

I LOLed.

josef

April 5th, 2012
3:54 pm

USMC

That’s Keith Olbermann and his ILK, dammit how many times do I have to tell you…read the memos! :-)

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:55 pm

That Black Guy: By the way, as I have had to explain to many on here, nothing is stopping you from scrolling right on past whatever I say if you don’t like it and just get so “oh my stars and garters” over your silly perception that I’m trying to make up rules for you to follow.

Talking Head

April 5th, 2012
3:56 pm

“That is no longer the case. There are people that are having an extraordinarily difficult time getting photo IDs. Each voter ID case is different. Some voter ID laws don’t disenfranchise. For example, those that accept most common forms of photo ID such as student ID, passport, and out of state ID. However, some laws do, for instance insisting that the photo ID be issued recently, or be up to date with address, or excluding specific types of ID.”

Can you actually provide evidence of anything you just said or was that a classic, “because Adam said so” moment? (By the way, I believe Mr. Obama has the same problem)

Oscar

April 5th, 2012
3:57 pm

tbanker

April 5th, 2012
3:52 pm
___________

Things are not going to get better till the finger pointing stops. Why keep stirring the pot, or kettle.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:58 pm

ty: now if the GOP could only “wage war” on people who constantly make hyperbolic fools of themselves by claiming that a “war” is being “waged” on them or their cause.

War on Women: Bombing of Planned Parenthood and killing abortion doctors. Attempting to make it legally justified homicide to kill and abortion doctor.

So, what were you saying about there not being a war on women?

It may be fun for you guys to act like it’s not happening, but you are dead wrong, and voters who don’t live in your bubble know it.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:58 pm

Oscar @ 3:49p: Well done.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
3:59 pm

Leftwing meltdown of epic proportions… Typical Liberal… Supposedly “For the people” but won’t talk to the “Driver”. What a First class D00sh! LOL! :-)

Keith Olbermann ’switched car services eight times in a year and complained his drivers smelled and talked to him’

One of the “Worst Persons in the World”…
Keith Olbermann complained that his drivers smelled and “Talked” to him… LOL!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123567/Keith-Olbermann-fired-Current-TV-complained-drivers-smelled-talked-him.html

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
3:59 pm

T. Head — “Can you actually provide evidence of anything you just said or was that a classic, “because Adam said so” moment? (By the way, I believe Mr. Obama has the same problem)”

I think a lot of people on the liberal side of the voter ID argument would be more inclined to believe that your side was serious if you’d spend as much time and effort securing the absentee voter process as you spend in trying to secure the show-up-in-person side of the process.

Given how easy some criminals say it is to jack credit card applications from mailboxes, one wonders how come the GOP isn’t trying to come up with a way to prevent people from getting their hands on absentee ballots in the same way.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:00 pm

kayaker: He has no respect for any other branch of government except his own while being openly critical of the Supreme Court for doing their job and a … Congress that wants to curtail this insane spending that he cannot stop doing

Can anyone identify which President is being talked about here? Hint: It’s more than one, and from BOTH parties.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
4:00 pm

Good for you ty.

For those who think this election is funny and sit on the sidelines making jokes, it is not funny when they lose millions of American jobs and people commit suicide.

It is not funny when they send your kids to get killed for nothing but lies.

It is not funny when they attack Americans and steal freedom.

Snicker away or man up and join the fight..

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:00 pm

jo, good point.

Again, GWB Jr. has punked the national security rubes at their own game. In fact he has arguably doubled down on their hyper-militarism.

And alas, the twisted FemiNazi fans of the Limbaugh persuasion.

They are insanely uninformed – by choice (get it?) – on virtually all of the many -almost 70 – anti-women measures enacted in the past two years.

But I assure these Excrement in Broadcasting fans that the women and the men of conscience in this republic are not.

And poor old Reince. Reduced to making caterpillar analogies in a hysterical attempt at damage control.

Right now, Obama has a 20 point lead in female voters. I expect that to rise between now and November.

Time to send the Male Masters of the Uterus back to their caves…

josef

April 5th, 2012
4:00 pm

Netbanker

Those statistics belong in a news story focusing on the race/ethnicity of certain crimes, etc. They can easily be drawn from the police reports. It’s just like the AJC and company finding it necessary to make a point that the suspect lived in a trailer, complete with pictures thereof…

If you find it necessary to keep track of the race, creed, color, sex, national origins of criminals/suspects, then go for it, but do your own research.

Personally, I’d like to know what part of the country these individuals are from, but that’s my own prejudice at work…

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:04 pm

“That’s Keith Olbermann and his ILK, dammit how many times do I have to tell you…read the memos!”
–Josef

Hey Josef! You know that Conservatives are almost as bad of readers as Liberals, so cut me a little slack.

By the way, I hope all is well over at the school. Lord knows it’s about time for summer break! :-)

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:05 pm

Talking Head:

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046

Please do at least read and click through the evidence before sticking your foot in your mouth again about this being an “Adam said so” moment. Thanks in advance.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
4:05 pm

“Certainly if I were a member, if I could run Augusta, which isn’t likely to happen, of course I’d have women into Augusta,” Romney said, according to a tweet from CNN’s Peter Hamby.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/04/mitt-romney-women-augusta-national-golf-club-the-masters/1#.T336xdmU2Bo

oh well, the winger poutrage was was fun while it lasted.

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
4:06 pm

Josef, no worries. I try to be measured here especially lately but sometimes somebody hits a nerve and off I go. So I know exactly where you’re coming from.

How do you like your Ipad. This PC I’ve got is kinda old and I’m debating going with apple or getting a new pc.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:06 pm

“Marxism’s secret influence on DemocRat legislators”– :-)

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:07 pm

Oh Romney said the same thing about Augusta?

Tell me again how outrageous it is that a Presidential candidate says something about what a private club can and cannot do is. PLEASE!

josef

April 5th, 2012
4:08 pm

Why are we limiting it in the press reports to Black, White, Asian, Middle Eastern and Hispanic? Why not Italian and Irish? Go back and look at the reports in the press from the turn of the last century and there they are, singled out every time. We got past that, why not move on and get past it now?

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:08 pm

Forget the racial component of hard core criminals.

Percentage of Christians in America – 76%

Percentage of Christians in American prisons – 82%

These people are more dangerous than the Moozlims, I tell ya!

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:08 pm

josef @ 4:08p: I second that.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:10 pm

JamVet @ 4:08p: I am laying odds on the con response to that, if there is one, being “Oh yeah well those percentages don’t matter because of course there are more Christians in America.” Nevermind that’s the same argument they rail against when we mention it about the percentage of whites on welfare and such.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

April 5th, 2012
4:10 pm

And we are to believe the Democrats have no organizations like this? Come on Jay, your proclamations get more “Cynthia-like” everyday.

Oscar

April 5th, 2012
4:10 pm

josef

__________

Why didn’t the headline read: Jewish investment banker gets busted in a ponzi scheme?

Jay

April 5th, 2012
4:11 pm

OK, Vast: What are they?

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
4:11 pm

USMC — “Keith Olbermann ’switched car services eight times in a year and complained his drivers smelled and talked to him”

I did a consulting gig for Citibank in NYC about 15 years ago (this was before it became CitiGroup). If we had to work past dark, Citi *insisted* that we use their contracted car service, and they insisted that we use it to get to and from the airport. They provided us vouchers every week; I presume that they had a negotiated price that was competitive with taxis.

The cars were always quite nice, and the drivers were always well dressed. No complaints there. But quite a few of them frequently tried to hustle new business while we were in the cars with them. They’d offer to take us to bars, to clubs, to girls (I presume this meant hookers), etc. On a few occasions, some of the drivers tried to sell us drugs. At the same time, those drivers were often a great source of information. You want to know where there’s a good steakhouse, or Chinese restaurant or something like that? Cabbie and limo drivers have you covered. But more often than not, the drivers were trying to hustle business none of us were interested in giving them.

Long story short, in my experience, you usually don’t want to talk to the drivers once you’ve told them where you’re going.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
4:12 pm

vast,

The deflect and blame others card is worn out.

Try an original thought con.

Can you?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:12 pm

And we are to believe the Democrats have no organizations like this?

Yeah and whatever their name is they’re working to gay it up and destroy marriages and TAKE AWAY ALL YOUR GUNS. lolol RUN AND HIDE UNDER THE BED!

Sorry, no such organization exists. If it did, that would at least be a level playing field.

Talking Head

April 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

“Given how easy some criminals say it is to jack credit card applications from mailboxes, one wonders how come the GOP isn’t trying to come up with a way to prevent people from getting their hands on absentee ballots in the same way.”

I didn’t realize that the least popular form of voting was subjected to so much voter fraud…

but alas Joe Mamma has provided us today with yet another example of deflection from a topic because he has nothing to contribute

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

Tell me again how outrageous it is that a Presidential candidate says something about what a private club can and cannot do is. PLEASE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

josef

April 5th, 2012
4:13 pm

USMC

Not counting down the days til summer break just yet…check with me on Monday! The little ones have been running me ragged, and that’s a good thing…

Don’t Forget,

I love the ipad for wandering about blogging and web surfing and still getting things done or watching a little teevee while falling asleep…not worth a tinker’s damn for anything requiring at length keyboarding…it’s really more of a toy for me…

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:14 pm

Talking Head: Ready to admit that I was telling you about actual problems that exist getting photo ID? Or are you going to make excuses about how what I presented to you isn’t real?

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:14 pm

Vast: Uh, um, ahem, duh, gimme a minute, duh, er………….

Adam, that proposition makes no sense.

But we are talking about cons!

Global cooling anyone?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:15 pm

Matti is not afraid of those bazturdz

April 5th, 2012
4:15 pm

now if the GOP could only “wage war” on people who constantly make hyperbolic fools of themselves by claiming that a “war” is being “waged” on them or their cause.

**Matti sharpens sword and says nothing.**

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:16 pm

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
4:18 pm

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:53 pm
That Black Guy: Talk about what you want, but if you’re comparing federal laws that you are implying are written up by some group to multiple state laws being copied and written up from ALEC, you are comparing apples to oranges. What was your point, if not to say there is some sort of equivalence?
_______________________________________________________________________________

The QUESTION was: Jay, have there been any legislation that has been submitted, on a local, state, or federal level that has/have been written by left leaning/progressive orgs? In other words, is there a “ALEC” for the left?

^^^^^^^^^^^This is the question I posted^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Would “gun control” laws not be at the STATE level?

Also, although enacted at the federal level, doesn’t ACA direct states enact laws/regs/whatever in order to comply with the ACA?

Would that be at the state level as well?

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:18 pm

“MoveOn.org’s secret influence on state laws, DemocRat legislators” :-)

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
4:19 pm

T. Head — “I didn’t realize that the least popular form of voting was subjected to so much voter fraud…”

Oh, well, then, it MUST be secure, right? Because it’s not used that much?

I imagine your home network must be secure because you don’t use it that much. No need for Norton or F-PROT or Zone Alarm or anything like that. The network must be secure because it doesn’t get used that much. :roll:

“but alas Joe Mamma has provided us today with yet another example of deflection from a topic because he has nothing to contribute”

It’s a shame that you don’t *really* care about the integrity of our voting process. If you did, you’d be interested in securing *all* methods of voting.

When you change your mind and become serious about this issue, let me know so that we can work together on it.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:20 pm

“Labor Unions’ secret influence on state laws, DemocRat legislators”

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
4:20 pm

BTW Adam, you slid right past #2 in my 3:50, didntcha?

kayaker 71

April 5th, 2012
4:20 pm

Our newest Supreme Court Justice belongs to the most exclusively female club in DC,, the Belizean Grove. No men allowed or allowed to join. One of the oldest women’s only clubs in the US is the Alexandra Club, established in 1903. No men allowed and none need apply. There are over 1250 women’s fitness centers in the US that allow no males. I have never seen a male sportscaster in a female locker room talking to Sharapova wrapped in a towel. The double standard here is amazing and even more amazing is Bozo’s supposed indignation at this, as he tries to solidify the female vote.

Talking Head

April 5th, 2012
4:21 pm

“Talking Head: Ready to admit that I was telling you about actual problems that exist getting photo ID? Or are you going to make excuses about how what I presented to you isn’t real?”

No doubt about it, Adam you provide some examples of getting photo ID to vote. So if the various State legislators make it easier to get a photo ID to vote, would you be for it? Or would you still be opposed to photo ID laws to vote to prevent voter fraud?

josef

April 5th, 2012
4:21 pm

OSCAR

:-)

But it is interesting when some hereabouts go off on a tear they make sure to make mention of the ones whose names are generally identified as Jewish and ignore the others, even the Jewish ones with non Jewish surnames…call ‘em an anti Semite and get a nice treatise on how much they like Jewish women, bagels and lox, etc…

All in all, and I’ve mentioned it several times today but only because of the impact it had on me, Jewcowboy’s two links to me last p.m. around 6 say what I’ve tried to say and been unable to put into words…

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:21 pm

Two years ago Augusta National Chairman Billy Payne publicly scolded Tiger Woods for indiscretions in his private life. Payne spoke of Woods forgetting “that with fame and fortune comes responsibility, not invisibility.”

Whoa!!

Why is he getting involved in a private matter???!!!

It is NONE of his business.

LOL at these twisted old reactionary hypocrites…

getalife

April 5th, 2012
4:22 pm

The gop are waging class, gender and race wars.

Are you going to stay on the sidelines and snicker?

Stand up and fight.

Talking Head

April 5th, 2012
4:23 pm

“The gop are waging class, gender and race wars.

Are you going to stay on the sidelines and snicker?

Stand up and fight.”

I’m going to vote away our problems, starting with BO!

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:24 pm

That Black Guy: What you are trying to portray is neither here nor there, since ALEC is about state legislation. While your question of whether there is an “ALEC” for the left is legitimate by itself, you are clearly making a case that federal level laws being written by an outside group and presented to Congress is the same thing. It isn’t.

I have yet to see gun control laws in multiple states all at once that follow the same basic text in the way many of these ALEC sponsored laws do. If there IS an ALEC for the left, it is either not nearly as organized, or it’s much more clever in how it hides itself.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:25 pm

It doesn’t seem that Comrade Obama’s message to Augusta National Golf Club is Intellectually Honest or consistent… :-)

Georgia Association of Black Women Attorneys
http://www.gabwa.org/

National Association of H!spanic Real Estate Professionals®
http://nahrep.org/

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:25 pm

Adam, do you honestly think that anybody believes that junk science?!

And NASA?!

What the hell have they ever done of scientific note?!

Sorry, no sale. I’m sticking with the experts at the Heartland Institute…

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:26 pm

“ACLU’s secret influence on state/Federal laws, legislators”– :-)

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
4:28 pm

Adam

April 5th, 2012
3:55 pm
That Black Guy: By the way, as I have had to explain to many on here, nothing is stopping you from scrolling right on past whatever I say if you don’t like it and just get so “oh my stars and garters” over your silly perception that I’m trying to make up rules for you to follow.

:roll:

Did I hurt your feefee’s because I pointed out that you like dictate what “is” and what “is not” a valid arguement?

I have said it before as have others.

Let me channel Adam and make a prediction:

Next you are going to tell me what I’m ACTUALLY saying, dispute what YOU say I’m ACTUALLY saying, and then declare that you won.

Or

You’ll ask a question, answer your own question, and declare yourself the winner.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:29 pm

Talking Head: So if the various State legislators make it easier to get a photo ID to vote, would you be for it? Or would you still be opposed to photo ID laws to vote to prevent voter fraud?

State legislators would have to do several things to make me be ok with voter ID laws:

1) They would have to accept all valid forms of ID with photos on them, including, but not limited to: student IDs, out-of-state IDs, military IDs.
2) They would have to make any expense in getting the necessary ID AS WELL AS any expense for getting the necessary documentation for said ID, if they do not possess it, and also include necessary transportation for those who cannot get to any necessary in-person required things for as many times as it takes to issue the ID
3) They have to provide some provision for renewal of the ID after it is issued without hardship. If they have to be somewhere in person again, paying for transportation again is a must. If they have to get required documentation again and they no longer have it, they have to provide funds for renewal as well.

Personally I can’t wait until technology gets to a place where we can either grab a thumbprint or retinal scan at the voting booth to verify things. That way the person doesn’t have to worry about forgetting an ID card. But I’m willing to overlook the whole “I forgot my card” thing if it’s thoroughly explained that you need it.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:30 pm

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:31 pm

Did I hurt your feefee’s because I pointed out that you like dictate what “is” and what “is not” a valid arguement?

No. If I was ACTUALLY doing that, you might have a point, and maybe I would be hurt. But when people accuse me of something that’s not true I’m generally not hurt by it unless it’s my girlfriend or something.

What I find interesting is your prediction is basically a rundown of what you are doing here: Claiming you know what I am saying, and declaring yourself the winner.

You didn’t used to blog as Harry Callahan did you?

kayaker 71

April 5th, 2012
4:34 pm

And then there’s that perennial favorite, the Congressional Black Caucus, who has never had a member of another ethnic group. None need apply….. even Alan West was nearly not black enough. There are groups all over the spectrum to include women physicians, dentists, veterinarians, real estate brokers, latino legislators, asian plumbers, female aviators…… the list goes on an on. Some of these organizations just want to be left alone to do as they please without all of these crap that liberals seem to want to foster on us to make it “fair”. Leave it be….. sometimes some things, like Augusta, are just too damned good to be f*cked around with.

Matti is not afraid of those bazturdz

April 5th, 2012
4:34 pm

I think I know who “USMC” is. That’s right, buddy. Keep laughing. Us lil’ ol’ gals can’t hurt you none, now can we? You’ll just put us right back in our place if we dare to become unfeminine enough to try it. You’ve got us figured out. We ain’t no threat. Right? Riiiiiiiiiiiggghhhht.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:34 pm

That Black Guy (can I actually say that?) @ 4:28

LOL! You are freakin hilarious and hit the nail on the head… or should I say.. SCHOOLED young Adam grasshopper on that one. FUNNY! :-)

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:36 pm

What’s the matter Matti, you don’t want to be treated as an equal??? LOL!
(Matti wants SPECIAL rights, not EQUAL rights) :-)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
4:37 pm

TBG and Adam

In a semantics Battle Royal………. loser leaves town match

Who will win?

Matti is not afraid of those bazturdz

April 5th, 2012
4:38 pm

USMC,

That you think you know what a woman wants is LOL-worthy indeed! Keep laughing, buddy. Chuckle up.

Proud to be me

April 5th, 2012
4:38 pm

So what!! It is a dog eat dog world! I’m sure there’s a liberal organization that does the same thing under the guise of some other function. Anyhow what about Obama saying that Obama care was passed by Congress with an overwhelming majority in favor of it!!! What a joke . .he had to bribe people for votes and it barely passed . . . now let the ever-embellishing President start his campaign rhetoric as he represents the party of “it’s my way or no way” . . He wants everybody to think ROP is the party of “no” . . well what about Reid not bringing up bills in the Senate for fear they might be passed!!! I think that the real part of no is the Democrat Party!!

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:38 pm

Yeah Matti, We all think you should be back in the kitchen, bare foot and pregnant cooking our Chitlins! LOL! :-)
(can i borrower your gloves so my knuckles won’t get scratched on the ground?)

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:38 pm

loser leaves town match

Pfft, you think either of us will leave? :D

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
4:39 pm

Adam — “State legislators would have to do several things to make me be ok with voter ID laws:”

FWIW, the first extended conversation I had here was with Doom, and it dealt with employment verification (as it pertained to citizen and non-citizen workers). We pretty much agreed that in order to streamline the process and make it as secure, as effective and as cheat-proof as possible, we pretty much had to develop some sort of national identity card and make it as easy as possible to get. We *also* agreed that while we were at it, we should also tie that identity card into the voting process.

I know that civil libertarians hate the concept, and I confess that it troubles me as well. But I don’t think that we can address the competing priorities of least burden on the citizens and a simple, secure and inexpensive method for employers AND the government without it. Honestly, I think the time has come to accept the concept of a national ID card, and that all sides need to sit down with the assumption that it IS going to happen so that they make the best and most effective card we can have for the lowest possible cost.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
4:40 pm

us,

Matti owns you.

Too funny.

Real tough guy attacking women.

.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:40 pm

JHM, Talking Head: I also forgot, the voter ID law that meets all those requirements must ALSO not be enforced until a reasonable amount of time has passed to make sure every registered voter is notified and has a reasonable chance to get the new ID.

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
4:41 pm

The GOP constituency has once again been played by the same people, the Koch crooks, et al. Patsies, I believe is the appropriate word to describe them.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
4:42 pm

That’s right, buddy. Keep laughing.

Because there’s nothing funnier than women dying from complications during pregnancy. I mean, who doesn’t LOL at that, except uptight b!tches?

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:42 pm

“That you think you know what a woman wants is LOL-worthy indeed! Keep laughing, buddy. Chuckle up.”–Matti

Where did I say that?

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
4:42 pm

Matti,

USMC speaks for himself. Not “we” as he has indicated in his post.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
4:44 pm

kayaker

“There are over 1250 women’s fitness centers in the US that allow no males.”

If you can’t see the difference between a single-sex social club and a fitness center, where women may just want to exercise, unhindered by the presence of men (and being career military at a time when women weren’t exactly looked upon as equals, so I’m sure you know what was said and implied)

Then you really are clueless.

Here’s a hint if you want to redeem you thinking: “Equality” does not equal “sameness.”

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:44 pm

I must not be the only one who leaves about 15 minutes prior to now most days. That said, I’m out. See you all later.

carlosgvv

April 5th, 2012
4:45 pm

In the early 1900s, the Progressives started a reform movement to clean up politics and business. The people, inspired, demanded reform. Now, over 100 years later, politics and business are as crooked as ever. Some things just never change in a predatory capitalistic system.

Mighty Righty

April 5th, 2012
4:45 pm

Heavens! Sounds like “People for the American Way.” Oh, wait a minute they are left wing so it’s okay.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
4:46 pm

It is great to see Americans finally fighting back.

The gop waged class war, the ows movement fought back.

The gop waged war on women, the women left the gop.

The gop waged war on Latinos, farmers and Latinos left the gop.

The gop lose when Americans fight back.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:46 pm

“Real tough guy attacking women”–Needs a Life

LOL! Yeah, that’s it. I am a trooper in the WAR on women! LOL! You people are delusional!

Word of advise for Needs a Life…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:48 pm

Matti, getalife is right.

He hides behind his smiley faces, but you just slapped them right off of his ugly mug.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
4:48 pm

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 5th, 2012
4:49 pm

So…

Is anybody really surprised that GOP lawmakers bascially use Cliff Notes by ALEC to get their job done?

Mighty Righty

April 5th, 2012
4:49 pm

“Some things just never change in a predatory capitalistic system.”

As opposed to the Socialist, Nazi, Marxist who merely murder their opposition by the millions while giving what little wealth their bankrupt systems produce to a few of the self appointed leaders at the top.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:49 pm

“I must not be the only one who leaves about 15 minutes prior to now most days. That said, I’m out. See you all later.”–Adam

Chuckles, I wonder how Adam’s productivity is for his company; seeing that he BLOGS all day at work. (at least Getalife is at home collecting welfare and food stamps) :-)

Jay

April 5th, 2012
4:49 pm

From the LA Times:

“Mitt Romney agrees with President Obama on at least one thing: Women should be admitted to the Augusta National Golf Club.

In response to a reporter’s shouted question about the issue at a campaign appearance Thursday, Romney said: “Well of course. I’m not a member of Augusta. I don’t know if I would qualify — my golf game is not that good — but certainly if I were a member and if I could run Augusta, which isn’t likely to happen, but of course I’d have women in Augusta. Sure.”

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
4:50 pm

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:31 pm
Did I hurt your feefee’s because I pointed out that you like dictate what “is” and what “is not” a valid arguement?

No. If I was ACTUALLY doing that, you might have a point, and maybe I would be hurt. But when people accuse me of something that’s not true I’m generally not hurt by it unless it’s my girlfriend or something.

What I find interesting is your prediction is basically a rundown of what you are doing here: Claiming you know what I am saying, and declaring yourself the winner. – Nope, just pointing out what you usually do. Just look at yesterday with E’s Cat. The other day with Fred.

You didn’t used to blog as Harry Callahan did you? – Nope. I am “That Black Guy”

To the other posters, Am I wrong about Adams debate style?

If the majority thinks so, I will apologize.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
4:51 pm

“USMC speaks for himself. Not “we” as he has indicated in his post.”–Taxpayer

Oh the wise one graces our presence. Sounds like another Narcissistic Keith Olbermann disciple… :-)

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:54 pm

Lets review.

The GOP War on Women is almost certainly going to cost them big time come November. Perhaps in record fashion.

The GOP War on Latinos is almost certainly going to cost them big time come November. (George Taco Bell Bush is a long dead memory.)

The perpetual GOP War on Blacks won’t hurt them much, as they have already completely ceded that demographic away decades ago.

The GOP War on Muslims will definitely hurt them in November. How they can earn more than 10% of those folks will be a true mystery.

The GOP War on Patriotic Protest will cost them the votes of all the veterans, etc who participated.

The only demographic that they have made peace with is the white, over 50 crowd.

I expect them to do well there…

getalife

April 5th, 2012
4:56 pm

Smart move willard.

Corporate media are making our President’s statement about the sc an issue but ignore these facts:

“Gingrich, 2011: Sic U.S. Marshals On Judges… GOP Senator, 2005: ‘Political Decisions’ May Cause Courthouse Violence… Bush Blasted ‘Unelected Judges’ Aol.

Fair and balanced.

pogo

April 5th, 2012
4:58 pm

Jay and his merry band of liberals here envision a day when the only owner of business in this country WILL BE the government. Seems their ultimate goal is for everyone, no matter how smart, how productive or how talented earns and has exactly the same thing as everyone else. If it weren’t so sad it would be comical.

Liberalism/progressivism is just another name for laziness because that is exactly the type of people it attracts. The supporters of this ultimately want something for nothing and they alwasy see having some kind of special treatment as the way to do it thus they vote for democrats. They don’t want to get up at 4am and go to work but, they want to have just as much as the person that does. That is what it has come down to. One has to look no further than this blog with it’s little cadre of liberals sitting on their computers all day everyday not producing anything but yet they want their share, don’t they? Losers.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
4:59 pm

Uh oh!

Is Moderate Mitt’s past trying to rear its ugly head?

El Rushbo and the Male Masters of the Uterus are not going to be happy about this!

Jay

April 5th, 2012
5:00 pm

Newt on Twitter:

“I think callista would be a great member #Augusta — maybe she would let me come and play.”

Paul

April 5th, 2012
5:00 pm

Jay

I I hope this isn’t another case of Mitt saying what comes to mind, what he really thinks… then the next day his handlers issue a ‘clarification.’

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
5:02 pm

Adam

April 5th, 2012
4:12 pm
And we are to believe the Democrats have no organizations like this?

Sorry, no such organization exists. If it did, that would at least be a level playing field. – Adam, which is it?

“NO such organization exists” – Adam saying there is ABSOLUTLY NO SUCH THING.

or

There MAY be one?

” If there IS an ALEC for the left, it is either not nearly as organized, or it’s much more clever in how it hides itself.” Adam saying there MAY be one.

Mighty Righty

April 5th, 2012
5:03 pm

getallife

Women are all Democrats, Blacks are all Democrats, Hispanics are all Democrats but Obama is approved by only 25% and can get only 45% against Romney’s 47%. Hmm. Somebody’s lying.
You better check up on this somebody is misleading you. Simple math. If women make up roughly 50% of everyone, then half of the balcks would be about 5%, and half of the hispanics would be about 6%. Without counting all of the other Democrat sychophants like union workers, governement workers and school,teachers should total more than 45% and a heck of a lot more than 25%. Follow the yellow brick road and keep drinking the kool ade you find your ot of gold. Below are the facts.

Thursday, April 05, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18 (see trends

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
5:05 pm

pogo — “Jay and his merry band of liberals here envision a day when the only owner of business in this country WILL BE the government. Seems their ultimate goal is for everyone, no matter how smart, how productive or how talented earns and has exactly the same thing as everyone else.”

It’s posts like yours that make me think that posters to this board should have to submit to urinalysis before they’re allowed to hit the Submit Comment button.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:05 pm

You gotta love some of the comments from the Ragin’ Cajun, James Carville…

“If Obama wins Virginia, call the dogs in and pee on the fire because it’s over.”

“Romney is some ideologically constipated pretzel of a man who can’t figure out where he is from one day to the next.”

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:06 pm

“The only demographic that they have made peace with is the white, over 50 crowd”

Add the 1 % and it equals another thumpin in 12.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
5:06 pm

Funny how Jay believes in Racial and Gender exclusivity clubs and associations, as long as they are not White or Male…

I could care less whether Augusta allows women or not, but they should certainly have the right to choose to do so on their own.

I don’t hear Jay complaining about ALL of the Racial and Gender Exclusive Clubs and Associations across America.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:08 pm

I think Newt’s problem was that he loved his country so much during this campaign that bad things happened to him.

Leave it to the spelling-challenged Righty to refer to school teachers as some sort of slur…

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:09 pm

mr,

I never said they are all leaving.

Some of the pro life women will stay.

As far as the polls, our President is winning.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
5:09 pm

M. Righty — “The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18 (see trends”

With polling like that, Mitt must REALLY suck to be doing as poorly as he is.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Yes, Rasmussen’s polling is baked into that.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:10 pm

Funny how Jay believes in Racial and Gender exclusivity clubs and associations, as long as they are not White or Male…

And he told you this when?

USMC

April 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

” I hope this isn’t another case of Mitt saying what comes to mind, what he really thinks… then the next day his handlers issue a ‘clarification.’”==Paul

Yes, Just like Obama’s handlers had to clarify his absurd SCOTUS comment the other day.

Obama botches legal precedent in citing Supreme Court
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/03/news/la-pn-obama-botches-legal-precedent-in-citing-supreme-court-20120403

pogo

April 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

getalife is a narrow minded one trick pony. To sum he/she/it up, “cons” are responsible for every bad thing on earth including cholera, earthquakes and McRib sandwiches. He/sheit has nothing more.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:14 pm

JHM, obviously I could be dead wrong, but I’ve consistently said that Flip will be hard pressed to win 200 electoral college votes.

Right now, it seems damn near impossible for him to get the 270 needed to win.

And that map does not make me change my mind…

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:16 pm

I find it amazing the gop will run a moderate that shares our President’s positions.

After trying to appease you cons, they destroyed their candidate with attacks.

Our President could just run gop attack ads against willard and win..

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:16 pm

McRib sandwiches.

LOL!

pogo, whoever did invent those should be waterboarded!

With that disgusting BBQ sauce they used!

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
5:17 pm

pogo,

You need only write, To sum… it up, “cons” are responsible for every bad thing on earth. To say more is redundant.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:17 pm

pogo,

Thanks for reading but your comprehensive skills are very poor.

carlosgvv

April 5th, 2012
5:17 pm

Righty – 4:49

So, are you saying a corrupt greed driven predatory capitalist system is the best we humans can do?

Mighty Righty

April 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

.Sunday, April 01, 2012

As they have for nearly three years now, voters trust Republicans more than Democrats when it comes to handling the economy, by far the top issue on a list of 10 regularly tracked by Rasmussen Reports. They put slightly more trust in Democrats on health care, the second most important issue.

Forty-nine percent (49%) of Likely U.S. Voters now trust the GOP with economic issues, while 38% trust the Democrats more. That’s the highest level of confidence in the Republicans since last October. In January, Republicans held a 47% to 40% edge on the economy. They’ve been trusted more than Democrats on this issue since early June 2009. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

JH Mama

Your statement is backwards. Obama has three years to convince us how great he is and he has the worst polling of any president at this time of his administration. Even your hated Bush was much more popular and was re-elected. This time next year Obama will be back in Hawaii writting his memoirs.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
5:21 pm

What good is an auto-filter if it lets nasty words like “McRib” through?

Geez, Jay. Get on that, willya?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:22 pm

To sum it up for pogo,

Your party wants war, they got it.

The majority rules.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
5:23 pm

JamVet — “JHM, obviously I could be dead wrong, but I’ve consistently said that Flip will be hard pressed to win 200 electoral college votes. Right now, it seems damn near impossible for him to get the 270 needed to win. And that map does not make me change my mind…

For those of you who are looking, consider it this way. The map comes in three shades of red and blue, indicating the intensity of the state’s lean toward R or D, as the case may be (Nebraska is a special case). A state that’s dead-even tied would be white, if there were any.

Obama gets more than enough EVs just taking the top two categories of blue states on that map.

Romney loses even if he takes all three categories of red states PLUS the Weak Democrat states.

Let’s restate that. Even if Romney takes every red or reddish state on the map, plus somehow manages to take the states that are just kinda-sorta leaning to Obama, then Romney will still lose.

This is what you’re up against, cons.

Mighty Righty

April 5th, 2012
5:25 pm

carlosgvv

So, are you saying a corrupt greed driven predatory capitalist system is the best we humans can do?

Carlos, so far that is exactly what history has proven. The US capitalistic system is the most successful for ALL of its people in the history of the world.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:28 pm

mr,

“Obama Solidifying Lead Among Independents in Swing States
April 4, 2012
Barack Obama’s positioning against Mitt Romney among independent voters in 12 key swing states has steadily improved since last year, with Obama now leading 48% to 39% among this group after trailing in December.” Gallup.

Game over.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:28 pm

Righty, you are gonna be one unhappier camper come November 7…

Flip is a 2 – 1 underdog.

And I’m kind of surprised that is all…

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

April 5th, 2012
5:28 pm

FYI the lines re pulling out & god were on the Colbert Report a couple of nights ago.

I LOVE my Ipad; I can even use it on the patio.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

Righty — “Your statement is backwards. Obama has three years to convince us how great he is and he has the worst polling of any president at this time of his administration. Even your hated Bush was much more popular and was re-elected. This time next year Obama will be back in Hawaii writting his memoirs.”

Not at all. 2012 will be 2004 all over again, but with the parties reversed. Romney will lose, just as Kerry did. Obama will win reelection, just as Bush did.

Bush didn’t convince anyone of *his* greatness, and he won reelection despite getting us muddled in an unpopular war.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:35 pm

Another Carville gem…

Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
5:38 pm

Gonna be a lot of libs eating crow come November. The O man fooled em once. I doubt he can do it twice.

Howard University Trayvon Martin

April 5th, 2012
5:39 pm

USMC

April 5th, 2012
5:40 pm

Romney isn’t even the Republican nominee yet… LOL! :-)

Real Scootter

April 5th, 2012
5:41 pm

Those McRibs were better than the beef lip sandwiches they came out with.The ones they called McJaggar.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:42 pm

ipad users should watch their data usage because they charge extra if you go over on the AT&T network.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:43 pm

us,

It’s willard.

Own that moderate.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
5:43 pm

pogo

In your quest to be “fair, balanced and unafraid” with your polling data…….. you slipped and seemed to be selective….. to say the least

You forgot a few…… As always, glad I could assist. Don’t mention it. Anytime pal. Good day

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

http://www.270towin.com/

USMC

April 5th, 2012
5:45 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

USMC — “Romney isn’t even the Republican nominee yet… LOL!”

Fine. Roll out someone else. See if you can find anyone better who will actually run. LOL. :D

Most of your worthwhile candidates are sitting this one out because they know they can’t win and even if they did, they don’t want to have to deal with the economy.

dbm

April 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

Jay, can you clarify for me how stand your ground legislation is business-friendly?

pogo

April 5th, 2012
5:46 pm

Obama displayed both his arrogance and his ignorance this week with his remarks about the SCOTUS. If Obama told his “followers” that a cow paddy is a filet mignon, they would believe him and would ask for horseradish (or Heinz 57) to eat it with.

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
5:47 pm

Romney isn’t even the Republican nominee yet… LOL!

That is funny. Republicans cannot even acknowledge the obvious, they have already picked Mitt as their man AND he has already lost.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
5:48 pm

“If Obama told his “followers” that a cow paddy is a filet mignon, they would believe him and would ask for horseradish (or Heinz 57) to eat it with.”

And you voted for whom in 00 and 04?

Talking about eating a shyte sandwich and not even asking for condiments….. You ate twice and wanted more

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
5:49 pm

can you clarify for me how stand your ground legislation is business-friendly?

Gun sales. How can you stand your ground without more bigger guns.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
5:50 pm

TBS — “Talking about eating a shyte sandwich and not even asking for condiments….. You ate twice and wanted more”

Word. I mean, just effing WORD.

I’m out. All be well and drive safely.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
5:51 pm

All you smart alecks just wait!

They are gonna release their super-duper-secret kraken!

The great black hope of the GOP!

Yep, Herman is gonna unsuspend his campaign!

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
5:52 pm

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
5:38 pm

Gonna be a lot of libs eating crow come November. The O man fooled em once. I doubt he can do it twice.

Well doomy, here’s what your up against.
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/electoral-map.html

Matti is not afraid of those bazturdz

April 5th, 2012
5:52 pm

carlosgvv

April 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

Joe Hussein Mama – 5:05

Never mind the urinalysis test. Lets just have an ID required so we can get all these grade school and high-schoolers off this site.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

Now lets look at all the good things the con movement gave to the American people.

Um.

Tough one.

I can’t think of any good things.

Mary Elizabeth

April 5th, 2012
5:54 pm

emo, 1:22 pm

Your words are well said, and they needed to be stated.
————————————————————

In addition, it should be stated that the New Yorker came out with an expose on the Koch Brothers in August, 2010 in which reporter Jane Mayer wrote:

“The Kochs are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the brothers’ corporate interests. In a study released this spring, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States. And Greenpeace issued a report identifying the company as a “kingpin of climate science denial.” The report showed that, from 2005 to 2008, the Kochs vastly outdid ExxonMobil in giving money to organizations fighting legislation related to climate change, underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks, and political front groups. Indeed, the brothers have funded opposition campaigns against so many Obama Administration policies—from health-care reform to the economic-stimulus program—that, in political circles, their ideological network is known as the Kochtopus.”

Link: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1
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The Koch Brothers were one of the initial funders of ALEC in the 1970s and they also fund, in part, Americans for Prosperity, which was mentioned several times in the New Yorker article of August, 2010.
————————————————————————————–

Today’s Atlanta Forward, in the AJC, features the opinions of Virginia Galloway, director of Americans for Prosperity, Georgia, as the voice opposing the Affordable Care Act. As the voice supportive of the Affordable Care Act, the AJC features the opinions of Timothy Sweeney, who is director of health policy, Georgia Budget and Policy Institute.

carlosgvv

April 5th, 2012
5:55 pm

Righty – 5:25

So. you don’t think much of humanity. That strongly suggests you don’t think much of yourself either.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
5:55 pm

If Romney wins, I will say that the people wanted a new direction and hope Romney is that right person

If Obama wins, save the talking points that some of you who want him gone will bring up:

- 10 million dead people voted for Obama
- Illegals were paid to vote 5 times each for Obama
- 10 millions other voters voted 13 times each for Obama

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
5:55 pm

Another way to look at it is that as bad as the W recession was and as weak a candidate John McCain was O only won the popular vote 52-47. Given the debacle of his presidency and the worst recovery from economic recession since the Great Depression its hard to imagine sensible people re-electing this man. Still a long way to go.

Its just one faux paus after another with the most recent being this supposed constitutional lawyer calling a possible scotus decision to repeal Obamacare “unprecedented”. What’s actually unprecedented is the foolishness and arrogance of this petty little man. He’s an embarrassment.

Last of course is that its surprising that at this stage of the race that Obama doesn’t have a significantly larger lead. Just wait till the debates. The man has not a damn thing that he can campaign on as an accomplishment. This time around he has a record. And it aint pretty.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
5:57 pm

“Those McRibs were better than the beef lip sandwiches they came out with.The ones they called McJaggar.”

It’s amazing what BBQ sauce can do for Pink Slime… :-)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
5:59 pm

“Another way to look at it is that as bad as the W recession was and as weak a candidate John McCain was O only won the popular vote 52-47. Given the debacle of his presidency and the worst recovery from economic recession since the Great Depression its hard to imagine sensible people re-electing this man. Still a long way to go. ”

yes a long way to go but Bush fans didn’t say a word when he didn’t even win the popular vote against Gore and won by the least margin of ANY Presidential incumbent victory in history

By the numbers Obama won by…………. comparing them to Bush’s victories…… He shellacked McCain and Palin

They were beat the F down

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
6:00 pm

mean to say…..

“won by the least margin of ANY Presidential incumbent victory in history against Kerry”.

You get the point….. So if anyone things the Bush victories were sound then they have no choice but the say that McCain and Palin were “tied to the whippn post”

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
6:01 pm

Don’t forget,

I see Romney taking 2/3rds of those yellow states. I don’t see how he won’t. And I wouldn’t be shocked if he snuck one of them northeastern blue states like possibly Massachussetts. Doubtful but still possible.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

“They were beat the F down”

That would more aptly describe the American people after suffering over 3 years now of Obama’s assault on the nation.

pogo

April 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

The octa-mom is a democrat. Imagine that.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
6:03 pm

Doom

Polls will change a million times before the election…….

While I do not think Obama will administer the @ss kickn that McCain took, I predict (I could be wrong) that he will win in a close race like Bush and Kerry

getalife

April 5th, 2012
6:06 pm

The President saved our country doomy.

Show him some respect con.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
6:11 pm

The newt and his wife agreed with our President on Augusta..

The gop lost the war on women.

F. Sinkwich

April 5th, 2012
6:14 pm

Libroolery is always a source of amusement:

“BELLINGHAM, Mass. – A Massachusetts elementary school has dropped plans for students to sing songs at a school presentation after parents objected to a change in the lyrics of a popular patriotic song.

Parents tell WFXT-TV (http://bit.ly/HfR02t) that children at Stall Brook Elementary in Bellingham were taught to sing “We love the USA” instead of “God Bless the USA” during the chorus of the popular 1984 Lee Greenwood song.”

“In love” We Trust

One nation, “In love,” indivisible

Should have just substituted “Obama” for “God” and have been done with it.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
6:22 pm

Things are looking up a tiny bit for Flip.

After months of merciless bashing, Newsmax is laying off of him now.

They know that as bad as he stinks, he is gonna represent them this fall.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
6:22 pm

Sinkwich

Didn’t the pledge of allegiance get changed? Maybe around the 50s

Was the word God in it at that time? Fill us in oh wise one

As for Lee Greenwood? ……. who gives a F

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
6:26 pm

Lee Greenwood???

Really??

That is the best you have to cry about

you crack me up

hahahahahahahahahaha

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
6:29 pm

Sinkwich

Not sure if they still play it, but yrs ago at the Stone Mt laser show they used to play Greenwood

I’m sure if they do, they probably didn’t change the words or anything…… Maybe you can hear it in its original form if you get a chance to make it out to Stone Mt sometime

getalife

April 5th, 2012
6:31 pm

They are desperately reaching for something to attack our President and finding nothing.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
6:36 pm

You will see willard pander to women and Independents but doubt he will get them back.

The moderate will make a hard turn left for the general.

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
6:47 pm

Well doom, that was the most favorable map for the reps I found and that was also the oldest, dating 1/31/12. He’ll have to get 2/3 of those electoral votes just to squeak by. I think your confidence is a little unfounded unless Romney really turns it around.

josef

April 5th, 2012
6:53 pm

Sorry, fellow libs, excepting his last comment on inserting Obama instead, I’m with Sinkwich…if you have an objection to saying the word “G-d,” then don’t say it. There are parts of the Pledge to the flag that I don’t say either, but I do stand and salut as per my position as the adult in the room employed by the APS where it is, by Georgia law, a morning required ritual.

I’m not sure I would have chosen that song to begin with, but that is a matter of taste and not of some silly sensitivity…if you’re going to perform it, leave the words as written…

Now, before anybody gets all bent out of shape here, our annual Shakespeare play was MacBeth, of course THE scene it would have to have for the L’il Ones is the “double, double one…” They ever so sensitively left out “…liver of blaspheming Jew…” and with it slaughtered the Bard in the name of sensitivity and kept us teachers from having a teaching moment on anti Semitism in England in the Shakespearian Era…

I made sure MINE knew it was in there and WHY…guess what? My Jewish parents thanked me. Seems they had done the same at home while the play was in rehearsal…

JohnnyReb

April 5th, 2012
6:54 pm

I posted earler that if asked Romney would likely defer women membership at Augusta to the club being private.

Now you know why I am a semi-retired sales representative and retailer instead of running a political campaign!

USMC

April 5th, 2012
6:56 pm

“The octa-mom is a democrat. Imagine that.”

Don’t forget Getalife and Stands for Decibels. That says it all. :-)

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
6:56 pm

hmmmm……sounds like media matters, americans for prosperity, tides, soros, jarrett up to obama doing the same thing to America…………..maybe you are onto something jay………..i’ll show you mine when you finally admit yours……… toucan sam says hello…….

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
6:58 pm

josef

You like the rest are within your right to your opinion

Song at one time didn’t even have the word God in it

So I’m not going to get upset now if it is changed again for a school song

getalife

April 5th, 2012
6:59 pm

I am guessing the parents that objected are atheists not libs.

They don’t believe in God and are free to voice their opinions.

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
7:00 pm

the independents already left obama in nov 2010…….the moderate dems are on the way out the door as i write this………..maybe jay could get a memo to media matters thru jarrett and into the oval office which tells obama that his own words are ruining his appeal……….just saying

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:02 pm

us,

She is on welfare .

Are you pro life but want her kids to starve to death?

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
7:02 pm

There are parts of the Pledge to the flag that I don’t say either…

Me three, “I pledge allegiance…yada, yada, yada…one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

But I’m old school and adhere to the true, original pledge. I just don’t go for that doctored up new thing.

Kind of like changing the words to a Lee Greenwood song!

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:03 pm

bilbob,

Better check the polls because you are dead wrong as usual.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:04 pm

josef

Speaking of the pledge, however it appears Sinkwich went from a Lee Greenwood song to the pledge at the end of his post………….

Either way……. not going to lose any sleep and if that is the worst he can come up with in terms of the “evil left” then he is reaching way so far his arm and shoulder are close to seperating

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
7:05 pm

i hear you jamvet,
kind of like the radical leftist liberals in the white house and in power now who have been trying for decades to change the meaning of words in the constitution……….but i’m sure you already knew that………and see it going on even today……….

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:07 pm

BOTH

I’m not familiar enough with the song’s history to pass comment thereon. And what mine and your opinions are here is one thing, we’re not in the position of making a decision on it, so, really it’s a non issue beyond the personal opinion. Like I said, I’m not sure I would have chosen it to begin with.

When it comes to the kids and music/songs, I tend to be very traditional and think that time could best be used to expose our little ones to the songs which have entered our culture and have been there for a while…

Of course, our music teacher objects to me thinking they ought to learn
“Barnacle Bill the Sailor” and “What Do You Do with a Drunken Sailor…”

:-)

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
7:07 pm

getalife,
keep listening to a poll that, will guide you where you need to go…….

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
7:08 pm

Guys, please tell me if I was wrong (in your opinion) about my exchange with Adam.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:09 pm

Billybob

You must be livid that a pledge dating back to 1892 and never having the word God in it was changed in 1954 to have it added……………….

Stand up for the old school Billy

“but i’m sure you already knew that”

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:09 pm

ZamVet

D*mn…you and I seem to say the same pledge!

getalife

I would agree that’s probably who objected…

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
7:10 pm

If it’s going to be a close election, how can anyone make a prediction. It’s more like a hope for an outcome favorable to what one would like to have happen. I too think it will be a close election and I would like to see Obama lose his bid for a second term but I’m not predicting that what I would like to see happen will in fact happen.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:10 pm

“Guys, please tell me if I was wrong (in your opinion) about my exchange with Adam.”

I know you probably don’t want my opinion, but you nailed it on Adam. Quit second guessing yourself. :-)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:11 pm

TBG

While I think it ended up being a semantics game at the end (hence my joke), your original reply was clearly stated and valid in regards to the issue and what you were asking

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:12 pm

Bilbob,

After 8 long years of going off the cliff, the polls show our President will win because he brought us back.

It is not complicated.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:12 pm

just as an FYI

While I have stated my thoughts on the pledge and Greenwood, when the times arise where the pledge is required…… I recite it as it is

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
7:12 pm

Nothing against Lee Greenwood but I’m old school when it comes to patriotic songs.

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
7:13 pm

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:10 pm
“Guys, please tell me if I was wrong (in your opinion) about my exchange with Adam.”

I know you probably don’t want my opinion, but you nailed it on Adam. Quit second guessing yourself.
________________________________________________________________________________

No, that’s why I asked.

BTW, what makes you think I wouldn’t want your opinion?

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
7:13 pm

TBS,
my view is that each individual can choose to say the pledge or not say it………and for those who wouldn’t say it, i would want to find out why and try to hopefully help them, if i could, reach a place in their life one day where they feel like they can say it and be proud of it for what it stands for………….because i am…….

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:14 pm

FORMAL BLACK GUY

I saw nothing, but I didn’t follow it too closely…I tend to steer clear of Adam’s set-tos, though. I like the little b*gger, but his interest areas and mine are pretty distant…

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:14 pm

Recon @ 7:10

Fair assessment. I have a prediction, but of course I have no crystal ball and wouldn’t place a bet on my prediction

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
7:14 pm

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:11 pm

Ok, I wa wondering if I had missed something.

Maybe I shouldn’t have picked on his debating style.

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
7:14 pm

thanks getalife,
keep following those polls b/c they are taking you somewhere…………

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 5th, 2012
7:16 pm

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:14 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY

I saw nothing, but I didn’t follow it too closely…I tend to steer clear of Adam’s set-tos, though. I like the little b*gger, but his interest areas and mine are pretty distant…
_____________________________________________________________________________

Maybe, I’ll try that.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:16 pm

Billybob

Fair enough and I can respect that………. As I stated @ 7:12, I recite it in its entirety even though I do not agree with the last changes, which was nothing more than part of the communist scare and McCarthyism

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:17 pm

josef,

The atheists usually hate government because of religion in politics but not sure how they vote.

“My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)”

Adam crushed you.

It stings your pride but it will go away.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
7:19 pm

Billy, are there radical rightist liberals?

As for the “independents” (like Tom? LOL!), if Flip’s handlers had a collective brain, they would have him play to them, instead of having him play for the hard right neocons, like you.

ANY Republican has your vote.

But the independents are going to see how he completely reinvented a fake version of himself to appease the nuts in the GOP.

To wit:

When asked about Romney, whom the former mayor also endorsed for Massachusetts governor in 2002, Anderson noted a distinct change in his political rhetoric and questioned Romney’s devotion to his current policies by saying, “The Mitt Romney I knew and worked so closely with was a very different Romney than is now running for President.

The Mitt Romney I knew was very reasonable and moderate. He wouldn’t have won the Massachusetts race for governor if he weren’t,” then continued, “I spoke with him personally, in-depth, about his positions on issues, and he was solid about the key issue of choice and gay/lesbian rights, yet he changed 180 degrees the day he decided to run for President. The things I hear him say now — I don’t even recognize the Mitt Romney I knew.” ~Rocky Anderson

He is playing the exact same game that McCain played.

And if memory serves, that did not work out so well for you Republicans vis a vis the “independents”…

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:20 pm

bilbob,

You’re welcome.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:20 pm

Tyler Perry makes ILLEGAL turn and cries racial profiling for getting pulled over by police…
http://www.reuters.com/article/comments/idUS59773884520120406

You just can’t make this stuff up. Where is the “Reverend” Al (not so) Sharpton and his Hoodie congregation???

It’s Racism and Racial Profiling I tell you… LOL! :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:21 pm

Billybob

For some, it’s a matter of religious doctrine…not me, but I’ve found myself in the position of supporting those for whom it is…

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:22 pm

TBG

You had him twisted in knots. He kept doubling down and totally missed the intent of your original reply and questions you asked…….

As josef noted he is a nice guy at least from what I can tell on a blog, however he would fit the category when I bring up those on both sides who not only paint with broad brushes but are apt to bring a paint sprayer to lay on the generalities and talking points as wide and thick as possible.

Not sure of his age, but in time, he should start seeing there are more sides than just the one we think is correct and adhered too….. sometimes that side has as much or more merit and logic than our own position on a given issue

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:25 pm

“The atheists usually hate government because of religion in politics but not sure how they vote. ”

Not sure where you are getting your info. I’m not atheists, but I do no both conservative and liberal atheist. I wouldn’t say they “hate government”. each have their views and what they like and do not like, but hate? Nope

No different than Christians….. their politics are all over the place

They don’t bite or nothing

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:25 pm

I was listening to the story of Haley growing up in South Carolina.

She said the cons wanted her to pick a side of white vs black.

She is Indian so she picked brown.

The cons discriminated against her and her family but in the end she chose white (gop).

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:26 pm

BOTH

Interesting…I have a problem with the “under G-d” for precisely the same reason as you. Were it there to begin with, it probably would not bother me nearly so much even though I do believe that addition would best be kept for the religious venues…sort of like those confessions that have as a part of their liturgy a prayer for their country…

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:28 pm

Great news for Republicans should Romney be the Party’s Candidate…
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/05/haley-on-romneys-golden-bullet/

(I like Fast Cars and Fast Women!) Oh wait! that was Rick “Grecian Formula” Perry!

Michigan4555

April 5th, 2012
7:30 pm

People need to learn from the states’ legislatures and their bad decisions.
Have the backbone to vote them all out!

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:30 pm

josef @ 6:28

Thanks for that reply. While I more than stated my opinion on the issue, in the “big picture” there are more pressing issues (IMO) and unless it was brought up in a conversation or this blog, I wouldn’t even bring it up…….

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:30 pm

“The cons discriminated against her and her family but in the end she chose white (gop).”

That’s why they voted her in as GOVERNOR of the friggin state! LOL!
(Brain cells…)

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:30 pm

Both,

I know they don’t bite but they tend to bring it on the blogs when anything about religion is mentioned.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:31 pm

“Rick “Grecian Formula” Perry!”

Never heard that one………… That is good

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:31 pm

us,

Yeah, she is like jindal.

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:33 pm

BOTH

Adam is a youngun…he’ll mature with age and experience and (sadly, imuo) lose some of that exuberance of youth…

——

As for the Indian Americans, I got tickled one night when Jon Stewart’s “reporter in the field” made the point that he was “engineer brown, not parking attendant brown!”

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:33 pm

I thought perry was high and he was.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
7:35 pm

josef, you do the yada, yada, yada part too?

Cool… (grin)

I have predicted that Flip will end up with essentially the same number of EC votes as McCain.

Could he end up with less? Yes, but probably not.

Could he end up with more? Yes, but that one, to me, is a real toss up.

The HUGE advantage he has over JM was that the (W)orst ever is four years removed from his disgraceful exit. NO Republican could have won in 2008. That is how much damage GeeDub and that inept cabal did to the neocon cause.

Advantage Flip, right?

Maybe not.

I suspect that most of the independents recognize that the neocons have not changed one iota since that disastrous previous administration.

And arguably they have gotten even worse. Even more intransigent. Even more reactionary.

2016 looks like a long time off for you faux conservatives, huh?

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:36 pm

getalife

Do they bring arguments against religion being involved in government or a hate for government?

That is not one in the same.

Maybe my interpretation of your post isn’t what you are conveying

“godless” I believe is atheist. Cant say he hasn’t, but I don’t see him delving into religion in government as I see him opposed to the government being too large, etc

just joking about the biting thing

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:37 pm

USMC, getalife

Well, if you want to get elected governor, it would behoove you to see which party is ahead at the polls…

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:38 pm

“Never heard that one………… That is good”–TBS

Thanks TBS. He sorta has that Texas Oil Man of the 70’s/80’s slicked back Grecian Formula look, like Jock Ewing from Dallas! LOL!

Man, Haley is HOT!
http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/haley-romney.jpg

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:39 pm

Hillary vs jeb in 16.

Hillary wins.

Just kidding.

I think the Clinton bush dynasty is over.

We are out of leaders so the younger generation needs to step up.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:40 pm

“Well, if you want to get elected governor, it would behoove you to see which party is ahead at the polls…”

Example: See Purdue and the rest of the Democratic Good Ole Boys here in GA who are now Repub Good Ole Boys here in GA

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:40 pm

Speaking of Heathen, I can’t recall him ever even bringing up the matter of faith versus the politicization of a particular brand…

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:41 pm

USMC

Yes Haley is HOT………

Did you know that here and her parents are being investigated for I believe money laundering? could be wrong on the laundering but the Feds are looking at both her and her parents

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:42 pm

“Yeah, she is like jindal.”–Getalife

That sounds a little RACIST, Getalife… Didn’t expect that from you.

“I thought perry was high and he was.”–getalife

I guess you guys can spot each other in a crowd… What’s the old saying?…

“It takes one to know one!” LOL! :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:44 pm

getalife…

I agree with that about move on and let the next generation take over…whatever they do, they won’t make as big a mess as we did, and hopefully, just like our generation, they’ll have some sterling successes in leaving it a better place for having passed through…

BOTH

I don’t much care for apostates of any stripe… :-)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:44 pm

getalife

Not that you were asking, but I’m agnostic (if someone wants to label it)…. Guess I’m sort of like Heathen’s cousin in some way or another

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:45 pm

Both,

Allahpundit over at Hot Air is atheist and the arguments over there with cons vs atheists are pretty good..

Many hung out at the Huff. Post too.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:45 pm

“Did you know that here and her parents are being investigated for I believe money laundering? could be wrong on the laundering but the Feds are looking at both her and her parents”–TBS

It sounds like you are RACIAL profiling. What’s the matter? A little envious of people with darker skin that you having more money and being successful???
(They Both Suck, I am totally kidding with you!) :-)

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
7:46 pm

As soon as Santorum gets humiliated for the second straight time in his home state, it will be a toss up between Flip and Total GOP Voter Apathy going forward.

Which is kind of a drag, as I was looking forward to a broken convention in Tampa.

Perhaps Georgia’s Phinest Philanderer will hang around and try to throw a monkey wrench (is that racist?) into the works.

Or better yet, maybe a bunch of FemiNazis will show up and we’ll have another Chicago 1968… (The whole world’s watching. The whole world’s watching. The whole world’s watching.)

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:47 pm

us,

jindal is my guv and he sux.

It is not the color of his skin, it is his ideology.

I am very tolerant except for you cons..

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:48 pm

“I agree with that about move on and let the next generation take over…whatever they do, they won’t make as big a mess as we did, and hopefully, just like our generation, they’ll have some sterling successes in leaving it a better place for having passed through…”==Josef

When I need some WISDOM replenishment, I always know I can come onto Jay’s blog and read JOSEF’S wise words!
(alright, I’ll get off the knob, already!) :-)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:48 pm

USMC

I didn’t sick the dogs on her…….. political or not, someone did

Retired Vet

April 5th, 2012
7:48 pm

The same people who cheer on the investor class while deriding the government are blind to the fact they are enabling the onslaught of socialism. We are still crawling away from the affects of unbridled capitalism whereby people who make nothing get rich quick manipulating and playing with other people’s money. The more often government has to prop up and prime the pump of our financial system the more we will resemble a socialst nation. But some are so blinded by political ideology and cheer on the deregulators that they will wake up one day and wonder how did get here. Greed is socialism’s kissing cousin while pretending to be its nemisis. If we go back to business as usual I predict that about thirty years from now the entire 99% will take the streets en masse, and the occupiers protest will look like a picnic in the park, no pun intended.

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
7:49 pm

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:30 pm

Fake USMC! Do you think that a real USMC would have more respect for the President and this country!! I have read several of your posts and wonder how could you even disgrace the corps by using the name USMC?

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:49 pm

USMC

and being white and hispanic…………… my skin tone is pretty close to Haley’s so I can’t say anything in that regard

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:49 pm

Both,

I was raised a Catholic but left the church after the molestation cover ups.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:52 pm

“jindal is my guv and he sux. It is not the color of his skin, it is his ideology.
I am very tolerant except for you cons..”–Getalife

That can’t be, Getalife. You obviously don’t like people with dark skin. Are you a Xenophobe?
You ought to try and be Diverse. You will like it. I promise. :-)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
7:53 pm

getalife

Raised Baptist…………. As a teen I knew in my heart that Christianity wasn’t my belief……… and naturally drifted away from it

As long as someone isn’t in my face preaching at me or condemning me……….. I say go with the religion or philosophy that gets you through life

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:54 pm

us,

I am a brown Sicilian American.

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:55 pm

USMC

Me and “wise” words? So, now you’re calling me a Latina? :-)

Go Navy

Don’t take USMC too seriously. He’s a Buckhead Bidnessman…he only has time to read the memos!

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:55 pm

“Fake USMC! Do you think that a real USMC would have more respect for the President and this country!! I have read several of your posts and wonder how could you even disgrace the corps by using the name USMC?”–GO NAVY

Navy, Navy, Don’t feel Blue… The Army and the Air Force are F#CKED up, too! LOL!

Retired Vet

April 5th, 2012
7:55 pm

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
7:49 pm

You’re absolutely right. Although Mr. Reagan’s signature is on my commissioning certificate, and I did not agree with his political philosophy. I dared utter contempt for him while in uniform. Today as a veteran I express my displeasure of his policies in retrospect, but I still dare mangle his name nor refer to him in juvenile jargon.

weetamoe

April 5th, 2012
7:56 pm

I don’t drink the stuff except at Tech Games, but I admit I have made–as Obama would say– a whole buncha money–from the stock.. I am a bit disappointed in Coke, but not as disappointed as a former student in part-time adjunct instructor Obama’s beginning law class who says that now the former *professor’s* ignorance of the law has been revealed he feels that his degree is just a little tainted.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
7:57 pm

“Me and “wise” words? So, now you’re calling me a Latina?”–Josef

You are starting to hit at my weakness (Latinas), Josef… That’s not fair! LOL! :-)

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:58 pm

Both,

I have come to the conclusion that religion was invented to bring people out of the dark ages .

It guides them to stop raping, killing and stealing from others.

It worked .

josef

April 5th, 2012
7:58 pm

Oh, dear, I’m gonna have to bow out on the who’s browner one!

ALEC

April 5th, 2012
8:00 pm

Boooooooooooo!

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:01 pm

Boy, I wonder what those kids would look like??? Can you say Ford Modeling Agency???
http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/haley-romney.jpg

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
8:01 pm

Retired Vet

April 5th, 2012
7:55 pm

Thanks for your reflection. You would think that if a person ever wears/wore the uniform of any branch, they would have more respect for a sitting President. This does not mean that they have to agree with the President’s policies, but there is a such thing as respect for the “office”.

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
8:02 pm

Bobby Petrino is an idiot.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:03 pm

“Thanks for your reflection. You would think that if a person ever wears/wore the uniform of any branch, they would have more respect for a sitting President. This does not mean that they have to agree with the President’s policies, but there is a such thing as respect for the “office”.”–Go Navy

Kind of like you Knuckle Draggers did when George Bush was President, right?
You sound like a wave. Did you ever serve in combat???

getalife

April 5th, 2012
8:03 pm

What did he do del?

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
8:04 pm

but there is a such thing as respect for the “office”.

Not to mention the democratic process that put him there.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:04 pm

“Bobby Petrino is an idiot.”– Devil Dog

No kidding… Did you see the 25 year old Blonde he had on the back of the bike??? Gazoiks!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
8:05 pm

TaxPayer @ 3:45

“Indeed Scout. I misspelled “you”. I do hope you feel vindicated now.”

So …………………. we have a truce then on that kind of stuff and we can just stick to debating ?

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
8:06 pm

Kind of like you Knuckle Draggers did when George Bush was President, right?

Um, wouldn’t that make you a knucle dragger too. It amazes me the people who complain about others and then do the same dam thing. Have your cake and eat it too I guess.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:07 pm

“but there is a such thing as respect for the “office”.
Not to mention the democratic process that put him there.”–Delusional

Again, Kind of like the way you Socialist Democrats treated George W. Bush while in office???

Yeah, no kidding!

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
8:07 pm

Speaking of truly stupid Marines and that filthy, liberal infested, communist loving ACLU…

Sgt. Gary Stein, who is being booted from the Marine Corps for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama and saying he wouldn’t follow orders, has sued to stay in the Marines. Stein bases his lawsuit on the First Amendment, The Hill reports.

He filed the suit in U.S. District Court of Southern California on Tuesday, aided by the American Civil Liberties Union and U.S. Justice Foundation. The suit aims to put off his administrative hearing, scheduled for Thursday, and prevent the Marines from dumping him, according to The Hill.

Stein, who is stationed at Camp Pendleton in California, says the entries he filed on his “Armed Forces Tea Party” Facebook page weren’t posted as a uniformed Marine. In the entries, he called Obama a “domestic enemy” and said he wouldn’t follow some orders, The Hill reports. Stein also claims a Defense Department rule that restricts political activity for service members violates his First Amendment rights because it is vague and overreaches.

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
8:08 pm

USMC,

Yeah, but I’m sure she could do better than Petrino. Semper Fi

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
8:08 pm

You sound like a wave. Did you ever serve in combat???

Did you EVER serve at all?

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
8:10 pm

Go Navy, none of my beeswax and don’t take this wrong, but we have a saying around here – Don’t feed the trolls.

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
8:11 pm

USMC – good lord man, so you generalize the type of crap code pink pulled to ALL dems? And then use that to justify YOUR individual behavior all the while doing the same dam time. Sorry I wasted my time with you.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:11 pm

“Um, wouldn’t that make you a knucle dragger too. It amazes me the people who complain about others and then do the same dam thing. Have your cake and eat it too I guess.”==Don’t Forget

It amazes me the lack of intelligence displayed by DemocRats; I guess getting on the bus at the union hall and following the instructions to punch the “D” while behind the curtain in order to get your free meal is all we have come to expect from Socialist DemocRats these days. :-)

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:12 pm

“Yeah, but I’m sure she could do better than Petrino. Semper Fi”–Recon

My thoughts exactly… Petrino is a GREAT coach.. but a Doosh! :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:12 pm

getalife

“It worked.”

Yep…kicking and screaming the whole way, but it worked…

BOTH

In light of what you’ve posted later, let me clarify an earlier comment. That thing on “apostates of any stripe” was in reference to your comment on the party switches of the Good Ole Boys…not a religious reference…

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
8:12 pm

regarding petrino, you never wish harm on anybody, but at the same time i think in life what goes around, comes around…….see exhibit a

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
8:13 pm

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
8:10 pm

Okay. Just never knew any Marines that sounded so dishonorable towards the U.S.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
8:13 pm

josef

Thanks for the clarification, however that is what I thought you meant

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:14 pm

“You sound like a wave. Did you ever serve in combat???
Did you EVER serve at all?”–Go Navy

All you had to say is No. I still respect you for serving your country. :-)

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
8:14 pm

JamVet, you don’t know anything about Marines or probably anything about the armed services generally. Maybe all you can hang you’re over sized hat on is a lack luster enlistment as a bus driver in the USAF.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
8:15 pm

He had a motorcycle accident .

So?

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:15 pm

“USMC – good lord man, so you generalize the type of crap code pink pulled to ALL dems? And then use that to justify YOUR individual behavior all the while doing the same dam time. Sorry I wasted my time with you.”–DON’T FORGET

… I think you FORGOT! LOL! :-)

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
8:15 pm

Action speaks louder than words Marine. Carry on!!

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:17 pm

“JamVet, you don’t know anything about Marines or probably anything about the armed services generally. Maybe all you can hang you’re over sized hat on is a lack luster enlistment as a bus driver in the USAF.”– 03 yut yut!

ROFLMAO! … bus driver in the Chair Force! :-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
8:17 pm

I’ve seen several posts this evening about growing up in one “denomination” or another and then drifting away, etc.

All I can say is that in my opinion denominations (or even individual churches not part of one) are like state tags on vehicles. It matters not what the tag says (Georgia, New York, etc.) but who is in the driver’s seat.

I have the Lord Jesus Christ in my driver’s seat. Unfortunately, I sometimes try to grab the steering wheel, or turn the radio up too loud when He’s talking to me, etc.

The important thing is that He knows the way home.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
8:18 pm

Go Navy, as you’ve probably noted, that fine branch of the US military is sadly represented here by the three stooges.

Most of us here have a pretty good laugh at their constant whining…

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:18 pm

“He had a motorcycle accident .So?”

I finally agree with getalife! :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:18 pm

USMC

Well, at least you’ve quit with the Bolshevik and have moved to the more apt Social Democrat! You don’t have to stay after school today…

:-)

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
8:19 pm

USMC had a good friend in high school who joined the corps. Of course that was because he didn’t score high enough on the test to get into the Army. :P

getalife

April 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

del,

Lets not attack vets.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

April 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

Go Navy:

My dad was a Seabee in WW II.

The bravest men I ever saw in Nam were Corpsmen. When we were hunkered down, they we crawling or up running to save Marines.

“Corpsman Up” !

They never said no !

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
8:18 pm

Yea I see. I was out here about a week ago and saw where Mick called out the USMC and put him in the same category as Gomer Pyle! I laughed about two days everytime I thought about that.

getalife

April 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

us,

He looks like he is lucky to be alive.

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

Go Navy, Action, what the hell do you know about action. Probably the only action you’ve ever seen is a pi$$ call in the Navy.

Billybob

April 5th, 2012
8:21 pm

damn those Baldwin brothers jay!!!

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
8:21 pm

getalife, he’s done it before.

Self-control issues.

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
8:23 pm

“Lets not attack vets.”

I don’t except C. A’s as Vets.

Go Navy

April 5th, 2012
8:24 pm

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
8:20 pm

I salute you too…carry on.

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:25 pm

JamVet

I can say this for USMC, though, he has a sense of humor and self-irony and has never had mean, hateful, spiteful and vindicative things to say about gay folks except in light-hearted and smiley faced jest…

Union

April 5th, 2012
8:26 pm

they don’t need to do it in secret…. just do it like the unions in public

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:28 pm

“Well, at least you’ve quit with the Bolshevik and have moved to the more apt Social Democrat! You don’t have to stay after school today…”–Josef

Well the Head Bolshevik is not on his blog tonight… Can’t I just stay after school with that hot Blonde teacher I always see over there??? She’s a knock out!

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:30 pm

Union

Good point.

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:31 pm

USMC

Too bad, you’ll have to convert and, well, you know what THAT means… :-)

Recon 0311 2533

April 5th, 2012
8:32 pm

USMC, His Bolshevik followers hang out here, so he can take a break.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 5th, 2012
8:32 pm

Well, I see Arkansas’s got its own Red Panties scandal. Seems this Falcons Trader coach Bobby Petrino was riding with a 25 year old female on his motorcycle at night when he wrecked and was took to the hospitle. Guess nobody told him there’s some things you can’t do on a motorcycle.

Anyway, just checking in after a day of pouting. I was mighty hurt by some of the things certain bloggers said about me last night, tho I never responded. You know me—I’m as tender as a fresh flower and it don’t take much to get me down.

Have a good night everybody.

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:34 pm

“Too bad, you’ll have to convert and, well, you know what THAT means…”–josef

That’s okay, Josef… I had that procedure done just after birth… :-)

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:37 pm

“I can say this for USMC, though, he has a sense of humor and self-irony and has never had mean, hateful, spiteful and vindicative things to say about gay folks except in light-hearted and smiley faced jest…”–josef

Thanks Josef, I love gay people. My brother was gay and died of aids, so I am with you for the cause! :-)
( I always get hit on in midtown and now take it as a compliment) lol!

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:38 pm

USMC

That’s only good for Reformed and Reconstructionist…she’s Conservative..snip, snip, Buddy…gotta get a few drops of blood to make it legit… :-)

Jm

April 5th, 2012
8:38 pm

Ok all you vets

Park the inter-branch vitriol

China is the enemy :)

getalife

April 5th, 2012
8:38 pm

Not very tolerant del.

A vet is a vet.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
8:40 pm

“I always get hit on in midtown and now take it as a compliment”

Glad I’m not the only one……………

We should start a club

hahahahahahahaha

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:41 pm

USMC

You should take it as a compliment…we’ve got taste, you know!

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:44 pm

“You should take it as a compliment…we’ve got taste, you know!”–josef

Yeah, gay people have more taste in their pinkies than most of us breeders have in our whole bodies! :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:44 pm

BOTH, USMC

I’ve got a straight bud who says whenever he’s feeling down and out, he goes to Midtown for an ego boost…and BTW, he’s an allright feller and one fine looker…best compliment I ever got was one night when we were in our cups and he says, “I’m drunk enough to say it. If I ever were to want to take a walk on the wild side, it’d be you I’d go for…”

Awww….

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:45 pm

“Park the inter-branch vitriol”

Aye Aye JM, Well said! :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
8:47 pm

USMC

We’re sensitive, doncha know? And, just as a sidelight, that bud of mine was in the Marine Corps…

USMC

April 5th, 2012
8:49 pm

“and he says, “I’m drunk enough to say it. If I ever were to want to take a walk on the wild side, it’d be you I’d go for…”—josef

Sounds like the neighbor from American Beauty… oh wait he was a Marine… :-)

Orange 12

April 5th, 2012
8:49 pm

Fox has Romney leading Santorum in Penn, Santorums home state. That should be interesting if that shakes out the way they are reporting it.

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
8:53 pm

josef and USMC

My gf is black. I have a saying “chocolate doesn’t make me break out”… I thought that was my patented phrase….. so I thought

Several months back she and I were at a restaurant. The waiter was this young blk guy and sweet doesn’t even start to explain this guy. Very nice, great service and very flamboyant.

As we were finishing our meal, he asked will you be having dessert tonight. Before my gf or myself could say anything he looks at me and said ” bet you want the chocolate cake, I can see it doesn’t make you break out”

I literally had to stand up and walk away I was laughing so hard………

USMC

April 5th, 2012
9:01 pm

They Both Suck

That was CLASSIC! lol! :-)

josef

April 5th, 2012
9:02 pm

BOTH

One of my friend girls back in the day was talking to a fellow who was wanting to knock off a piece o’dis and was asking her how to go about it. She told him he probably didn’t stand a real good chance since he was black (he was real dark skinned) He looked kinda puzzled since he knew I had friends all across the race lines and since he already had seen me with plenty of darker hued men. She told him, “he likes his toasted, not burnt!” He should’ve made his move, though. He was a looker and a real gentleman. But, well, that was when I was smitten by my Romany Prince, David…

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
9:06 pm

“he likes his toasted, not burnt!”

that’s great

josef

April 5th, 2012
9:15 pm

BOTH

Unmentionable says I like red meat… :-)

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
9:19 pm

hahahahahaha

You trip me out………………….

Tell him that you and I both love to work on our diversity by setting the example

Thomas Jefferson

April 5th, 2012
9:30 pm

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” T.J.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
9:37 pm

ya’ll nasty.

josef

April 5th, 2012
9:42 pm

THULSA

Sez the speed-o boy with the wife beater t-shirt! :-)

jconservative

April 5th, 2012
9:47 pm

From the AJC:
“Coca-Cola has cut ties with a conservative Washington group accused of supporting voter suppression — one with strong connections in Georgia’s Legislature — following an online petition and phone protests from activists.

The Atlanta-based beverage giant said Thursday it discontinued its membership with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC),…”

Does this mean that the more “sensitive” members of the conservative movement will boycott Coke?

Me? I don’t drink the stuff at all. I could care less who Coke supports.

Ol' Timer

April 5th, 2012
9:52 pm

The party of the wealthy and big business is determined to create a Plutocracy and strip the working class of every hard earned labor protection.

Who do you think bankrolls and benefits from the actions of ALEC?

The uber wealthy and big business will not rest until every labor protection is removed, every regulation has been removed and taxes are reduced on businesses to a fraction of what they are presently, even though tax revenues as a percentage of the Gross Domestic Product are at a 60 year low.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the Republican Party continues to manipulate the gullible, god-fearing, working class — the working class whose salaries have decreased over the past decade while the wealthy have seen their net worth multiply time and again.

And, so it goes. . . .

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
9:53 pm

josef,

Zeus aint looking to hot in his speedos and wifebeater. The extra weight from dinking and eating from football season didn’t go away after the season despite my efforts. I probably need to jog around the block 6,000 times but that aint gonna happen either.

Watkins

April 5th, 2012
9:58 pm

This from a website warning of ALEC:
“ALEC is not a lobby; it is not a front group. It is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, behind closed doors, corporations hand state legislators the changes to the law they desire that directly benefit their bottom line. Along with legislators, corporations have membership in ALEC. Corporations sit on all nine ALEC task forces and vote with legislators to approve “model” bills. They have their own corporate governing board which meets jointly with the legislative board. (ALEC says that corporations do not vote on the board.) They fund almost all of ALEC’s operations. Participating legislators, overwhelmingly conservative Republicans, then bring those proposals home and introduce them in statehouses across the land as their own brilliant ideas and important public policy innovations—without disclosing that corporations crafted and voted on the bills. ALEC boasts that it has over 1,000 of these bills introduced by legislative members every year, with one in every five of them enacted into law. ALEC describes itself as a “unique,” “unparalleled” and “unmatched” organization. It might be right. It is as if a state legislature had been reconstituted, yet corporations had pushed the people out the door. Learn more at ALECexposed.org.”

Josef

April 5th, 2012
10:01 pm

Thulsa

The good part about getting old is that you don’t give a sh*t anymore…

jack bull

April 5th, 2012
10:14 pm

“un-elected group” shouldn’t overturn the health care law. wow. A President actually said that? what a dumba$$

getalife

April 5th, 2012
10:36 pm

A little investigative reporting exposed this corruption.

Imagine if the yellow journalists would stop creating conflict for ratings on corporate media and do a little investigative reporting too.

Nah, they are bribed not to.

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
10:57 pm

For the judiciary, resisting this temptation is particularly important, because it’s the only branch that is unelected and whose officers serve for life. Unfortunately, some judges give in to temptation and make law instead of interpreting. Such judicial lawlessness is a threat to our democracy — and it needs to stop. George W. Bush

Mary Elizabeth

April 5th, 2012
11:20 pm

FYI, from the link in the article above, Kraft says that it is remaining with ALEC.

JKL2

April 6th, 2012
12:37 am

ol timer- The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the Republican Party continues to manipulate the gullible, god-fearing, working class

George Soros says,”What?” MoveOn.org now, nothing to see here…

JKL2

April 6th, 2012
12:40 am

getalife- Nah, they are bribed not to

takes alot of ba!!s to say that about Jay.

tick…tick…tick…

[...] Richard Franklin, president of the Birmingham chapter of the American Federation of Teachers, said the bill was just another in a long line of bills this year being passed by tea party Republican legislatures across the country at the behest of the American Legislative Exchange Council or ALEC, a corporate-funded organization based in Washington that provides training, support and other services to conservative state legislators all over the country, according to Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. [...]

Military board says Marine should be dismissed

April 6th, 2012
5:30 am

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) — A Marine who criticized President Barack Obama on his Facebook page has committed misconduct and should be dismissed, a military board recommended late Thursday.
The Marine Corps administrative board made the decision after a daylong hearing at Camp Pendleton for Sgt. Gary Stein.

http://news.yahoo.com/military-board-says-marine-dismissed-060905024.html

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2012
6:10 am

A Marine who criticized President Barack Obama on his Facebook page

methinks it wasn’t merely that he was “critical” of the President…

The government submitted screen grabs of Stein’s postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on the “Jackass” movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama’s image on a poster for “The Incredibles” movie that he changed to “The Horribles,” the prosecutor said.

I tend to think that a similar treatment of GW Bush by a serviceman between 1.2001 and 1.2009, would’ve resulted in similar outcome, although if anyone has examples to the contrary feel free to post ‘em.

godless heathen

April 6th, 2012
6:48 am

And I stands with “stands for decibels”. Something didn’t get through to this jar-head during his training.

godless heathen

April 6th, 2012
6:52 am

And it’s Easter weekend. When all the one day a year church goers dress in their finest and go to church for enough salvation to last for a whole year. If it turns out that I am wrong about this whole heaven and hell business, I expect that I will see a lot of these folks in the blazing inferno.

Jack

April 6th, 2012
7:08 am

Become a corporation and influence whomever you please. Post your results here and impress everyone.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2012
7:15 am

Godless, this will never do, this you-and-me-agreein’-on-stuff, so I guess I’ll mildly disagree with your take on once-a-year-churchgoers.

While I am about as regular-attendin’ as it gets, I don’t mind at all if someone feels the need to visit only once in a blue moon.

As for how people in general seem to feel about getting into heaven, some of this might surprise you…

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_poll3.htm#salv

apparently only 23% of Americans believe “A good person who isn’t of your faith cannot get to heaven.”

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 6th, 2012
7:27 am

dB @ 6:10

I’d be willing to back that too. Seems as though that would run afoul of the rules and regulations the military operates under.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2012
7:42 am

Did JKL2 have to run off and rework his Facebook page.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2012
7:51 am

Results returned on news.google.com for…

American Legislative Exchange Council–954

Bobby Petrino–1,760

Kim Kardashian–5,640

(This has been another edition of “Why We are So Fcrewn it Ain’t Funny.”)

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2012
7:52 am

JERBS sheetz

sheepdawg

April 6th, 2012
8:25 am

chip rogers is a corrupt lying egotistical typical GOP puppet

philosopher

April 6th, 2012
8:34 am

Way to go, Coke! OK, time for others to step up to the plate, too.

interested observer

April 6th, 2012
8:40 am

Another good post. It’s time for the general public to realize that a tremendously high percentage of legislation passed at the state and local level is actually drafted by corporations or groups who have something specific to gain by passing the legislation.

Those groups are not looking out for the welfare of the general public, but for their own. Our government is no longer “of the people, by the people and for the people.”

Jm

April 6th, 2012
8:54 am

Stop the Obama socialism

oblama

April 6th, 2012
9:15 am

When is Jay going to delve in to the influence of A C O R N on the Dem party? Don’t hold your breath. Jay you are working hard to get the Dems back in charge of politics in Georgia but you are wasting your time. All the Repubs have to do is remind us of King Roy and his cronies. Next to King Roy these Repubs are choir boys.

oblama

April 6th, 2012
9:19 am

If you criticize this President you are risking going to prison. Watch what you say. Watch what you put in print. He’s got people watching.

oblama

April 6th, 2012
9:20 am

Some dogs follow Oblama like sheep.

Teacher

April 6th, 2012
9:39 am

Is this ALEC one in the same, written of in The Kappan journal, pushing the private, for profit charter school amendment at the expense of public schools, to champion separate sand unequal schools at taxpayer expense? I was astonished at the list of GA legislators affiliated with the group. Please read the Kappan and follow the money!! Expose it before the issue is put to the people.

Latigo1026

April 6th, 2012
9:48 am

Whoa! We used to shop at WalMart — until yesterday. And Whoa again! We learn from today’s newspaper that Georgia’s foremost conservative, Georgia Senate Majority Leader, R-Woodstock, is not only the National Treasurer of ALEC, he is also Georgia’s co-chairman. I smell a skunk in the woodpile. Incidentally, Woodstock is just down the road a piece, where the Wal-Mart we used to shop at is located.

Latigo1026

April 6th, 2012
9:56 am

@Watkins:

Great post . . . the more insight we get into ALEC, the better we understand where all these anti-consumer, anti-voter, anti-democracy laws actually originated — and it’s obviously not from the desks of our legislators.

oblama

April 6th, 2012
9:59 am

J V – I know you are hoping for Repub apathy – especially with the Christian base but it won’t happen because Mike Huckabee is going to be Romney’s V. P. Oblama’s worst nightmare is a Huckabee vs Biden debate on national T.V. Biden will be a deer in the head lights.

zeke

April 6th, 2012
10:02 am

TIME TO BOYCOTT COKE FOR BEING A STUPID BOW DOWN TO THE SOCIALIST LEFTIST AND NAACP SCUM! IF OUR GREAT TRADITIONAL COMPANIES CANNOT STAND UP FOR TRUE AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES, THEY NEED TO GO AWAY!!

obama Sin Laden

April 6th, 2012
10:07 am

the MEDIA does a piss poor job period.

oblama

April 6th, 2012
10:47 am

gone today – here tomorrow

Pepsi

April 6th, 2012
11:33 am

Way to go Coke. You thought of it before Pepsi could!

Mindless

April 6th, 2012
1:39 pm

Is this ALEC involved with the new “Transportation One Cent Sales Tax” that our Georgia State Legislators are trying to force on the citizens?

My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)

April 6th, 2012
2:41 pm

getalife

April 5th, 2012
7:17 pm
“My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)”

Adam crushed you.

It stings your pride but it will go away
_____________________________________________________

getalife, although you may not read this, there is something you don’t get about me. I don’t care if someone “crushes” me on a blog. It will not affect my life one way or another. I generally ask questions to gain knowledge or insight, not so I can play partisian grabazz.

There are those who post here with the sole intent is to proclaim they are “WINNING”. That’s not me. I have and will admit when I am wrong. Others? Not so much.

Also, getalife, how did he “crush” me when I never stated my position on ALEC or their tactics?

Adam

April 6th, 2012
8:35 pm

I admit I forgot what we were talking about. I’ll have to go back and look at it. Maybe fresh eyes on the topic will help me see what you were trying to say (I see They BOTH suck thinks I missed your points) and perhaps I will admit you are right.

Also, sure, I went hyperbolic on saying no such organization exists. But I did do that in an effort to get someone to quote a conservative site that found one already. Usually when stuff like this comes out the conservative sites are quick to say “see, you do it too!” The fact that did not happen leads me to believe there probably is no such organization, or they are very VERY good at hiding.

So yes, there MAY be one, but not even the conservative investigative media can find them.

Watkins

April 7th, 2012
10:14 am

ALEC has a website and anyone can see their agenda. The model legislation on the website, the “budget tools” all look very familiar to the legislation we’ve been reading about in the recent legislative session. The troubling part of ALEC is that the “hotbutton” issues show up in the ALEC legislator’s talking points, woven into the other things people consider conservative. Then, out of nowwhere, people think there is a movement. School choice wasn’t on any meaningful radar until a corporation realized they could grab our education dollars. The talking points went out and, zap, there’s a need for taking money from education and controlling it away from the publlic sphere.
While one should doubt that ALEC is behind the sales tax for transportation in GA, you can be sure they’re behind the push to turn over public infrastructure to private interests. Thankfully, our Governor (who is not without warts) said no to private toll roads.
The solution to this is that we all have to use critical thinking and pay attention. When a new idea is touted by a legislator, don’t readily accept it until you can work through where the money’s going and who benefits. We are our government. Turn off the reality TV and start working to better your own reality.

robertscribbler

April 7th, 2012
2:59 pm

Please help stop ALEC by signing this petition and boycotting supporting corporations, legislators:

http://www.change.org/petitions/at-t-corporate-funders-stop-supporting-alec-or-face-boycott

[...] ALEC’s core objectives are to reduce further corporate responsibilities to employees and gain further tax breaks for giant industrial entities, while providing the illusion of progress. It proposes to decrease health care and income tax obligations for powerhouse businesses by making workers responsible for more of that debt. This in no way helps a stagnant economy. However, that is not a concern to this self-interest group. This program is setup to bleed the American economy dry while attempting to disenfranchise American rights. Rights guaranteed under the country’s creation. In other words, they want to sell their political theory as fact to the American population without basis of merit. [...]

[...] the AJC’s Jay Bookman has joined the cause, complaining about a bill simply because an ALEC task force thought it was a good idea. The bill [...]

Left’s War On ALEC Comes To Georgia

April 11th, 2012
4:45 pm

[...] the AJC’s Jay Bookman has joined the cause, complaining about a bill simply because an ALEC task force thought it was a good idea. The bill [...]