ALEC’s secret influence on state laws, legislators

ALEC — the American Legislative Exchange Council — is a corporate-funded organization based in Washington that provides training, support and other services to conservative state legislators all over the country.

One of its prime functions is to draft business-friendly “model legislation” that is then disseminated to state legislators around the country to be introduced and enacted. When you see a spate of similar bills suddenly pop up almost simultaneously in legislatures around the country, ALEC is almost always behind it.

For example, an increasing number of businesses are trying to get around minimum-wage, workers’ comp and overtime requirements by reclassifying their employees as “franchisees” — independent contractors with a business relationship to the larger company.

It’s a particularly popular approach in the janitorial-services industry. Instead of thousands of janitors on its payroll, a company will have thousands of “independent contractors” who supposedly operate as franchisees. Suddenly, none of the workplace laws apply, and workers are stripped of most of the legal protections they would otherwise enjoy.

ALEC is now championing passage of state laws that would make it hard if not impossible to legally challenge claims that workers are “independent contractors” or franchisees. Eearlier this year, with passage of House Bill 548, Georgia became the first state in the country to pass ALEC-drafted legislation on the issue, much to the glee of the International Franchise Association.

This year, Georgia legislators also spent what seemed to be an inordinate amount of time and energy congratulating themselves for passing a bill that put new restrictions on the scrap-metal recycling industry. But after reading the bill and comparing it to ALEC’s model legislation, their excitement became a little more understandable. (By the way, state Sen. Chip Rogers, the Senate majority leader, is national treasurer for ALEC.)

For years, ALEC operated below the radar and in relative secrecy, but more recently its efforts have begun to draw more publicity. An investigation by a New Jersey newspaper, for example, has documented that many of the education bills championed by Gov. Chris Christie bear an uncanny likeness to model legislation written by ALEC. (Christie’s spokesmen say that is a coincidence). The spate of voter-suppression bills popping up around the country — many of them ALEC-driven — have further raised the group’s profile and created controversy. ALEC also championed many of the “stand-your-ground” gun laws passed in recent years.

As an apparent result of that controversy, Atlanta-based Coca-Cola announced this week that it was ending its relationship with ALEC. “We have a longstanding policy of not taking positions on issues that don’t have a direct bearing on our company or on our industry,” a company spokesman said. Coke’s main rival, Pepsico, had already announced it was breaking ties with ALEC after 10 years.

It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions. However, the secrecy with which it operates and the influence that it wields so quietly are cause for alarm. Its meetings of state legislators are closed to the public, as are its list of donors and members and its database of model legislation (last year a whistleblower released some 800 of those bills, which is how we know what little we know.)

Lobbyists and lawyers who help write ALEC’s model legislation in Washington know the issues quite well; they know all the little ways in which the law can be twisted to their clients’ advantage. Those bills are then taken back home and introduced in state legislatures with no warning of where they originated or who is really behind them. (There are exceptions, of course. Last year a Florida state representative introduced a resolution calling for lower corporate income taxes, but forgot to strip out language indicating it had been written by ALEC.)

The result is a system in which a centralized core of special interests, based in Washington, exert a strong and often untraceable influence on state laws and legislators, many of whom frankly don’t understand or in some cases don’t care how they’re being used.

In our own case, it produces laws drafted not to respond to Georgia problems or to protect Georgia citizens, but to secretly benefit interests that really don’t give a whit about the state.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
10:56 am

*Secret* influence? Jay, really?

more like hidden in plain sight–those skank wh0res in the so called liberal media have been looking the other way on ALEC’s influence for years.

(all right, now I’m going to actually *read* the *whole* post, which is more than what can be said of probably 75% of those who post here.)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
10:57 am

The result is a system in which a centralized core of special interests, based in Washington, exert a strong and often untraceable influence on state laws and legislators, many of whom frankly don’t understand or in some cases don’t care how they’re being used.

Funny that the party that claims to be about less government interference and more personal freedom uses such a centralized special interest group to spread their policy control over the entire nation.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
10:58 am

Its bizarre that anyone would be anti-business. Business and the taxes they pay and that their employees pay are after all what pays the gubment’s bills and enables libs to have an ever burdgeoning nanny state. Sheesh!

Mr. Snarky

April 5th, 2012
10:58 am

I’m shocked that our state legislature has outsourced the drafting of legislation to special interests! Shocked I tell you!
They must be to busy going on junkets and playing free rounds of golf.

Freedom Riders 2012

April 5th, 2012
10:59 am

….and the WAR continues…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM&ob=av2e

Do they think that the American people are that “naive”?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 5th, 2012
10:59 am

NJ Gov Christie

“ALEC who?”

When questioned about GOP bills in NJ that were written by ALEC.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
10:59 am

Ok, I see where you’re going with “secret,” inasmuch many lawmakers are permitted to take ALEC’s verbiage and introduce it as their own without fessing up to who actually authored it.

I still say the media have done an absolutely piss poor job of informing the public about ALEC’s influence.

Joe Hussein Mama

April 5th, 2012
11:00 am

Government will never work for the people unless and until we dispense with the legal fiction that corporations and businesses are persons and that they are as deserving of the same protections and rights as individuals are guaranteed in our Constitution.

Corporate interests rarely, if ever, align with the interests of individuals. And in such a situation, the individual’s interests should prevail.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:01 am

“uses such a centralized special interest group to spread their policy control over the entire nation”

Bro,

Yep. And that specialized interest group is there to promote less govt interference, more personal freedom, and more economic freedom- precisely the things you mention.

Or we could have it Obama’s way and continue hamstringing the private sector with over regulation and then sit back and wonder aloud why economic growth under this president has been so anemic.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

stands

“I still say the media have done an absolutely piss poor job of informing the public about ALEC’s influence.”

super duper ultra uber deluxe piss poor job

barking frog

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

ALEC is not to blame,
the legislators are.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

I read it and it is stomach churning. Bravo to Coke and Pepsi for taking a stand. We know our legislators will not. Making the list of those to be voted out now and adding names.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:02 am

And this supposedly independent Chris Christie is every bit the anti-labor loon that Scott Walker is, since he too has drawn moral equivalence between the firing of American air traffic controllers and fighting Soviet totalitarianism.

The media have done a piss poor job informing the public of this, as well.

Shawny

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

Way to point out conservative legislators that are practically crooks. Typical.
News flash – they are all crooks.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

super duper ultra uber deluxe piss poor job

Judith Miller proved f-cking wrong double plus piss poor job.

josef

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

Interesting read. Thanks. But, whachagonnadoboutit?”

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

“I see where you’re going with “secret,” inasmuch many lawmakers are permitted to take ALEC’s verbiage and introduce it as their own without fessing up to who actually authored it.’

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stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

I guess what I’m saying, Jay, is that many of your colleagues absolutely suck at their jobs.

but you’re one of the good ones.

Beverly Fraud

April 5th, 2012
11:03 am

A LOT of insidious influence in the realm of education on the part of ALEC. Not that education hasn’t brought that on itself with things like WIDESPREAD MASSIVE cheating (that the “bidness” community and the AJC itself all BUT supported-ok, “turned a blind eye to” if that makes you feel better.)

At least when the AJC finally DID look into the cheating, Jay had the integrity to explicitly express buyer’s remorse.

Now ALEC wants to step into this void, under the guise of “choice” (and God knows we need SOMETHING to dismantle the education monolith) but we should all have SERIOUS reservations that their motivation is “for the children”.

No such reservations exists for the departed Hall, Augustine, and company. Their actions showed they had ZERO concern for the best interests of children.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:04 am

Its bizarre that anyone would be anti-business.

Nobody’s anti-business. What you assume is anti-business is actually people against businesses screwing people over without benefit of a reach around. There is a difference. No politician should ever sell out the individual over the wants and desires of the business. Any freedom loving true Conservative should recoil at the idea of the individual being sold out over corporate interests.

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:04 am

“The spate of voter-suppression bills popping up around the country…”

lions and tigers and bears…and malarkey charges of “voter suppression” laws, oh my!

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

April 5th, 2012
11:05 am

What ALEC does to find a way to hide who is truly behind a bill. Unfortunately unless you actually know that particular legislative scheme it is all too easy for corporate influences to distort an already distorted scheme against consumers and small business to be even more favorable to the big monied interests. Slowly real American’s are losing the war and each battle is becoming more critical.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:05 am

So ALEC is corporate sponsored? Who are the sponsors?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:06 am

stands: *Secret* influence? Jay, really?

more like hidden in plain sight

In the FIRST POST you beat me to my first thought. Great minds think alike dude!

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:06 am

And that specialized interest group is there to promote less govt interference, more personal freedom, and more economic freedom- precisely the things you mention.

Hmmm, less government interference by using MORE government interference under a cloak of secrecy no less all the while increasing corporate freedoms at the expense of personal freedoms. Ok… If you’re ok with it, then so be it. Just don’t go back talking about government transparency or I will call you out as a Grade A Hypocrite for supporting ALEC.

Jm

April 5th, 2012
11:07 am

Scary. Where’s my tin foil hat?

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:07 am

“It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions.”

Yep. I’m glad you guys acknowledge that. Thank you very much.

” However, the secrecy with which it operates and the influence that it wields so quietly are cause for alarm. Its meetings of state legislators are closed to the public, as are its list of donors and members and its database of model legislation (last year a whistleblower released some 800 of those bills, which is how we know what little we know.)”

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Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:08 am

Bro: Funny that the party that claims to be about less government interference and more personal freedom uses such a centralized special interest group to spread their policy control over the entire nation.

No conflict there. See, if it’s a centralized group that isn’t the GUBMIT, then it’s totally fine, right?

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:08 am

Yes, google is my friend. Their website is a paragon to the republican faithful. I need some brain bleach.

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:09 am

Don’t have a problem with any law that provides sufficient clarification as to preclude litigation. Don’t know why leftists prefer otherwise.

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:09 am

Ah yes, it’s so “secretive”, a democrat blogger at a fledgling regional newspaper is blogging about it.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

So much for the ‘we don’t need any regulations because people can get all the information they need on their own’ argument.

Any time a person or organization tries to hide what it’s doing, it’s a pretty good indication the know they’d receive condemnation if they operated in the open.

Okay, all you ‘free enterprise/business rules/no regulation” bloggers…. ever heard he phrase ‘willing dupes”?

Jm

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

There’s a nefarious group around every corner. Watch out libs. Better start packing. :)

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

It is a shame that leftists have larded up the employment laws such that there is such a strong preference for independent contractors among rational employers.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

OH NOES, lions and tigers and bears. A business group wants to craft legislation for a more business friendly environment. OH NOES!!!! How dreadful

What we really needs to do is make it as hard on business as possible. That way less of this evil thing we call business will take place. And that means less of these evil businesses will employ fewer people and pay less taxes. And our welfare state wants less taxes, less of that business stuff, and less folks employed. We don’t need them evil business folks jobs, taxes paid, or none of that. We just fine getting everything from the gubment.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 5th, 2012
11:10 am

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

I would bet dollars to donuts the usual suspects here did not read Jay’s article.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

Thulsa

“Its bizarre that anyone would be anti-business. Business and the taxes they pay and that their employees pay are after all what pays the gubment’s bills and enables libs to have an ever burdgeoning nanny state. Sheesh!”

That sounds as if you’re advocating absolutely no laws, regulations or controls over business.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

Speaking of ALEC, some months back I was tooling around in a rental car somewhere in America’s Great Plains. Crackling over the airwaves was an interview by Terri Gross, on NPR’s “Fresh Air”—she was interviewing an New Yorker reporter who had done a fine feature-length piece on the influence of ALEC on local legislation across the fruited plain.

I hadn’t actually read that piece yet, I might not have noticed it, had it not for the happenstance of me driving around and looking for something of interest to listen to.

And it was at that moment I resolved to (and soon after, actually did) contribute financially to that prairie-sited NPR affiliate, even though it is hell and gone from where I live, or where I will any time soon again likely tune in to listen. Because without us getting the backs of those very few people who do the honest work of enlightening the public, who the hell will?

(Funny thing is, Terri Gross really isn’t, usually, the conduit through which a lot of hard news analysis routinely passes. Just happenstance this time.)

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:11 am

Need more investigative reporting on the gop corruption.

Thanks.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Goons IN 3-D!!

April 5th, 2012
11:12 am

No surprise that the corporatists amongst us see nothing wrong with lobbyist groups in Washington writing laws for the state legislatures to enact.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:12 am

I would bet dollars to donuts the usual suspects here did not read Jay’s article.

You’re lucky if they bother to read the frickin’ lede. Usually it’s just the headline, and they’re off to the races.

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:12 am

The essay suggest how perverse our society has become, anything that does not have websites, facebooks, and twitter feeds must be nefarious. Paranoia, anyone?

getalife

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

Paul,

It is doomy.

Nuff said.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

stands: I still say the media have done an absolutely piss poor job of informing the public about ALEC’s influence.

You mean there ISN’T a liberal media? ;)

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

Paul @ 9:10

Precisely. However, I bet you’ll never get any of the believers to explain how their beliefs co-exist with legislators who feed off ALEC’s influence.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

“No conflict there”- Adam

“It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions.”- Jay

Its a beautiful thing when liberals can answer each other’s questions.

ragnar danneskjold

April 5th, 2012
11:14 am

I think we all celebrate how open MoveOn was, with its funding and with its programs.

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:14 am

That sounds as if you’re advocating absolutely no laws, regulations or controls over business.

That’s the New Age Conservative outlook. If it worked in the late 1800’s, it will work now. :roll:

Talking Head

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

Washington is bought and paid for by corporations, which trickles down to the State level, then the Counties, then the Cities.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

ByteMe-thanks. you beat me to it. Amazing list of polluters, insurance companies, etc. Way past time for some exposure and I imagine companies will be following Coke’s lead soo enough.

Fred ™

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

Geez Jay, you REALLY need to get a Big Green Egg. If it takes you THIS long to do a pork butt on a Weber……………….

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:15 am

ty and I agree that ALEC isn’t really that secretive.

I guess that makes you a far left fanatic ty ;)

Fred ™

April 5th, 2012
11:16 am

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:13 am

“No conflict there”- Adam

“It’s important to note that there’s nothing illegal about ALEC’s actions.”- Jay

Its a beautiful thing when liberals can answer each other’s questions.
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Thulsa: Adam’s NOT a liberal don’tcha know? HE claims not to be anyway……………

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:17 am

Thulsa Doom: Yep. And that specialized interest group is there to promote less govt interference, more personal freedom, and more economic freedom- precisely the things you mention.

ALEC’s goals are not more personal freedom, and only “less government interference” and “economic freedom” insofar as it helps their goals, even if that means excluding other corporations or people.

See, they don’t support blanket “freedom” or “less interference” any more than faux libertarians do.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:17 am

Bless you, Jay Bookman. Though the neocons desperately want to live in their blissful, self-destructive ignorance, I do not.

And the service you provide is the antidote to their diseased indolence and servile compliance.

ALEC, like the Chamber of Commerce is a destructive travesty.

Their insane goal is simple – to empower the perverted corporatocracy, and the tiny few who have amassed almost all of the wealth and power, and to disempower the god given rights of millions of working class of Americans.

Including themselves!???

I know it is rhetorical to ask, but why, in the name of god, are these Republicans so contemptuous of their families and their futures as working Americans?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:18 am

ragnar: It is a shame that the government have larded up the employment laws such that there is such a strong preference for independent contractors among profiteers.

FYT

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:19 am

adam,
I’m so far “right”, that I’m “left”…or vise versa.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:19 am

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:17 am
Bless you, Jay Bookman. Though the neocons desperately want to live in their blissful, self-destructive ignorance, I do not.

And the service you provide is the antidote to their diseased indolence and servile compliance.

ALEC, like the Chamber of Commerce is a destructive travesty.

Their insane goal is simple – to empower the perverted corporatocracy, and the tiny few who have amassed almost all of the wealth and power, and to disempower the god given rights of millions of working class of Americans.

Including themselves!???

I know it is rhetorical to ask, but why, in the name of god, are these Republicans so contemptuous of their families and their futures as working Americans?

Because they are the ME generation.

Thomas

April 5th, 2012
11:20 am

For example, an increasing number of businesses are trying to get around minimum-wage, workers’ comp and overtime requirements by reclassifying their employees as “franchisees” — independent contractors with a business relationship to the larger company.

Why are you putting franchisees in quotes? You are aware that a large part of the US small business economy is operated through a franchise? Have you been to a Waffle House? Have you been to a Burger King? You are aware that the IRS has authority to force the W-2 versus independent contractor model? You are aware this is and continues to be litigated in NY with regard to Fed X drivers? You are aware that Jani King, Service Master, and others are covered by UFOC franchise disclosure documents when they offer janitorial franchises? You are aware that said UFOCs are publically available?

Go back to grilling as you were doing yesterday.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:20 am

Paul,

Nope. Not at all. Just saying that a more business friendly environment is good for for us all. We can be very busy friendly like the Asian tigers and have a growing, healthy economy. Or we can go the European route and have a heavy regulatory environment, an anti-business climate, and go into stagnation,decline and massive debt much like much of Western Europe. Its a simple choice really.

Yesterday I saw an interesting thing about regulation somewhere in Ohio. A new ordinace where if you want to put up flyers for a lost dog you have to first obtain a govt permit to do so. Can gubment get any more crazy or ridiculous? Don’t they have better things to do then sit around all day thinking of new crap to come up with to pester either people or business? If they don’t then perhaps a little downsizing of the bloated bureaucracy at all levels is in order.

Doomy prediction- knee jerk responses about no regulations meaning Rs want dirty air, dirty water, miners working in unsafe mines, child labor run amuck, coming up in
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Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:21 am

Fred: Of course I’m liberal on a lot of issues. But you say “far left fanatic,” which is very different.

Where do I stand on big oil and gun laws? Surely since I am a far left fanatic, you know the answers to these questions without even looking for my words on the subject.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:21 am

adam,
I’m so far “right”, that I’m “left”…or vise versa.

I am of the opinion that politics isn’t as simple as being able to place every position on a straight line, or a circle.

King of Everything

April 5th, 2012
11:21 am

There is a perception in this country that you cannot be pro-business and pro-workers at the same time. They must be pitted against each other. Why lawmakers consistently come down on the side of businesses to the detriment of workers? They are paid campaign contributions to do so. Capitalism at its best.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:22 am

td: Rather, I am of the opinion you cannot place every political position on a circumference of a circle such that it simply loops along a 1 dimensional plane.

GOB

April 5th, 2012
11:23 am

Stands – did you hear the second half of the show when she interviewed the head of ALEC for his response? Yikes. The guy claimed that it was democracy in action and that EVERYONE had a seat at the table. The corporations who actually wrote the legislation were there, and obviously because he (the head of ALEC) was there, the people were represented.

He couldn’t understand that he didn’t represent the population of the various states where this legislation was going to sent and passed. His point was was that as long as he was in the room, “the people” were in the room.

I don’t remember the exact process, but I believe that the company writing the legislation had the authority to make the final revisions on all model legislation.

godless heathen©

April 5th, 2012
11:23 am

Becky: “Amazing list of polluters, insurance companies, etc. Way past time for some exposure and I imagine companies will be following Coke’s lead soo enough.”

I suggest that you all follow Byte’s link to the “exposed” corporations involved. Otherwise you may be mislead by Becky’s characterization of them. Is Louisiana Seafood a polluter or an insurance company? How about Time – Warner, and Intuit?

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:24 am

Any bets that any of these neocons had ever even heard of this group, much less read up on the very fist thing about them, before 15 minutes ago?

Or maybe, I’m wrong and they have a deep, working knowledge of this group and have for a long time!

Willfully stupid and fiercely proud of it.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:24 am

Thulsa: Doomy prediction- knee jerk responses about no regulations meaning Rs want dirty air, dirty water, miners working in unsafe mines, child labor run amuck, coming up in

Do you deny that eliminating ALL regulations would create that effect? Do you deny that eliminating specific regulations on those exact activities would have that effect?

Libertarian

April 5th, 2012
11:25 am

Haha…I’d like to see democrats boycotting Wal-Mart :-)

If YOU do not vote...

April 5th, 2012
11:27 am

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:27 am

“ALEC’s goals are not more personal freedom, and only “less government interference” and “economic freedom” insofar as it helps their goals, even if that means excluding other corporations or people.”

“See, they don’t support blanket “freedom” or “less interference” any more than faux libertarians do.”

Adam,

Thank you much for enlightening all of us on the truth or at least your version of the truth of what ALEC is really all about. I’m glad someone on here specializes in ALEC and has a Phd in ALECology. Where did you get your Phd in ALECology? The Lenin institute for the study of capitalist piggism.

massachusetts refugee thug

April 5th, 2012
11:27 am

curious – what does stand your ground and voter registration id legislation have to do with freeing up the business climate?

They BOTH suck

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

“We can be very busy friendly like the Asian tigers and have a growing, healthy economy.”

Oh yeah….. Air and water quality in China and Vietnam are second to none, great wages that would surely support middle class here in the US, working conditions are like being on vacation………

Oh yes……… The Tigers……. If we could only be more like them

If you are talking South Korea and Tawain……. much improved over what I listed above, however the “tigers” that are really kicking…….. it is a free for all that this country does NOT need

ty webb

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

adam,
(re: your 11:21) you must’ve not seen the ” “s around left and right.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

What I don’t understand is how ALEC thinks voter IDs promote business interests directly. If there is a direct answer, I want to know what it is. It seems to me it’s indirectly disenfranchising voters who would normally hold legislators’ feet to the fire when it comes to workers’ rights and minimum wage laws, and f that is the case then their goals in that regard are not morally and ethically sound.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:28 am

godless-do you not know what Etc. means? seriously?

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:29 am

Haha…I’d like to see democrats boycotting Wal-Mart

Not a Democrat, but I do not put a penny into Wal Mart’s P&L statement.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:29 am

ty: I did. And I appreciate that. We agree on the concept, I am pretty sure.

Doggone/GA

April 5th, 2012
11:29 am

“ALEC is not to blame,
the legislators are.”

I agree

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:30 am

I am a proud democrat and do not patronize walmart-ever.

JamVet

April 5th, 2012
11:30 am

Becky, but as supposed conservatives, they historically have always taken a long term view of things, based on traditional values of taking care of their families, communities and country. And trying to make a better future for their children.

These loons apparently hate their children.

They gleefully cheer on the miniscule number of power brokers who are dismantling almost all of their children’s rights.

Long live the plutocracy!

The answer (to the question of what has gone so wrong in this country) is there is too much power and too much wealth in too few hands and the few control our government and the few create the problems and the injustices for the many and have less and less interest in doing anything about it because they can get away with it. ~Ralph Nader 1996

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:30 am

Thank you much for enlightening all of us on the truth or at least your version of the truth of what ALEC is really all about. I’m glad someone on here specializes in ALEC and has a Phd in ALECology. Where did you get your Phd in ALECology? The Lenin institute for the study of capitalist piggism.

Does that mean you are ready to disavow all of your own comments about what ALEC is about? if not, please show me your credentials first, since you were the first in this conversation between us to to ascribe motives to ALEC. Thanks in advance.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

Talking Head

“Washington is bought and paid for by corporations, which trickles down to the State level, then the Counties, then the Cities.”

Congratulations! You’re the first evah on Jay’s blog to provide a real-life example that “Trickle-down” actually works!

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

What I don’t understand is how ALEC thinks voter IDs promote business interests directly.

Limiting the voter pool to people who will be friendly towards ALEC-friendly candidates does wonders towards helping your political influence propagate throughout the country.

TaxPayer

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

ALEC! That’s another one of those numerous organizations funded by the Koch crooks.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:31 am

“Do you deny that eliminating ALL regulations would create that effect?”

Nope. Some regulations are sorely needed. No one is saying that they aren’t. And no one is saying eliminate common sense regulations on things like mine safety, child labor, etc.

“Do you deny that eliminating specific regulations on those exact activities would have that effect?”

Nope. And I’m not talking about common sense regulations on the aforementioned activities being dropped. Thanks for pointing out what many of us probably already agree on regarding common sense regulations.

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

I admit I had never heard of ALEC until today reading Jay’s blog. Who else here will admit that?

Brosephus™ - Twin Turbo Melanin Injected Since 1973

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

Congratulations! You’re the first evah on Jay’s blog to provide a real-life example that “Trickle-down” actually works!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

Woah. “Skank” is banned?

godless heathen©

April 5th, 2012
11:32 am

“Any bets that any of these neocons had ever even heard of this group, much less read up on the very fist thing about them, before 15 minutes ago?

Or maybe, I’m wrong and they have a deep, working knowledge of this group and have for a long time!

Willfully stupid and fiercely proud of it.”

I can honestly say that I had not, but I come here to be informed. Unfortunately I also have to endure your stupid insults.

Citizen of the World

April 5th, 2012
11:33 am

Equating “regulation” with “anti-business” is a Republican meme akin to their equating “liberal” with “leech.”

Regulation of business (and a progressive tax system) gave rise to the safety and stability and security that allowed America to grow its large and prosperous middle class. And when all that goes away, which is what the Republicans are working on, say goodbye to your (relatively) secure middle class existence and hello to the sweatshop.

Thulsa Doom

April 5th, 2012
11:33 am

“Trickle-down” actually works!

When libs say trickle down economics are they referencing those booming growth supply side economics of Reagan?

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:34 am

Thulsa: Thanks for pointing out what many of us probably already agree on regarding common sense regulations.

You’re welcome, and thank YOU for actually answering that directly. Republican candidates have avoided this type of questioning or not taken a stance. I am honestly curious as to why. Democrats are all on record as being for the common sense regulations you listed. Republican candidates – I am not finding their positions being stated on those, unless it’s to say “get rid of minimum wage” or “children should work as janitors.”

Becky

April 5th, 2012
11:34 am

godless-you insulted me but I forgive you. It is what democrats must do daily.

stands for decibels

April 5th, 2012
11:34 am

guess it’s not. No idea why my post @ 11.32 is moderated.

Anyway, GOB, I don’t remember the ALEC rebuttal; I must have heard it, though, because I had miles to go before I slept, that evening I was listening.

Don't Forget

April 5th, 2012
11:35 am

So, in the 90’s it was “woo hoo, I got a salary and a title, who needs overtime I’m movin up” now it’s “I’m an Independent Contractor, a business unto myself”. You can get away with a lot if you play to one’s ego.

Paul

April 5th, 2012
11:35 am

Thomas

I read Jay’s piece, not as applying to someone who owns a Burger King franchise, but as applying to a company who take a segment of workers – janitors, accounting, advertising, whatever – and telling them “you are no longer employed by us. You’re an independent contractor. You’re going to get paid $X for doing the job and that’s all you’re going to get. Oh, and btw, these are the new work requirements.”

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2012
11:35 am

godless-do you not know what Etc. means? seriously?

As a Real American, he refuses to learn those communist furriner words.

Adam

April 5th, 2012
11:36 am

are they referencing those booming growth supply side economics of Reagan?

Please provide evidence that Reagan’s supply side economics model worked, and that he never altered it to include tax increases and demand side. Thanks in advance.