An appalling lesson in ethics and the Ga. Legislature
In the last two hours of the very last day of the 2012 Georgia General Assembly, with scores of proposed bills flying back and forth between the House and Senate, a handful of powerful state legislators tried to take advantage of the confusion. The conspiracy they launched demonstrates just how contemptuous they have become of the people whom they were elected to serve.
The goal of their little plot was to further weaken Georgia’s already lax ethics laws. Had it succeeded, it would have prevented voters from learning the identities of elected officials who had failed to meet deadlines established in state law for filing ethics disclosure and campaign finance statements. It also would have allowed fines levied against legislators for violating those laws to simply disappear, without payment and without anyone even learning they had existed.
And believe or not, the means by which legislative leaders attempted to accomplish that deed was more sordid than the deed itself.
We begin with House Bill 875, a harmless little piece of legislation meant to ensure that the Department of Natural Resources did not have to release personal data of applicants for hunting and fishing licenses, such as Social Security numbers and drivers’ license photos.
However, in what now looks to have been a well-orchestrated scheme, this innocuous little bill was passed in slightly different versions in the House and Senate. That forced the appointment of a six-member conference committee — three from each chamber — to work out the differences.
In hindsight, the membership of that conference committee should have signaled trouble, because it was oddly high-powered for such a little bill.
In the Senate, it comprised Don Balfour of Snellville, the powerful chairman of the Senate Rules Committee and a prominent foe of ethics reform. John Bulloch of Ochlocknee and Jeff Mullis of Chickamauga, also members of the Rules Committee and influential legislators in their own right, were also appointed.
In the House, Ethics Committee Chairman Joe Wilkinson of Sandy Springs was named to the conference committee on HB 875, along with David Knight of Griffin and Tom McCall of Elberton.
Meeting in private in the last hours of the session, those six legislators agreed to dramatically revise HB 875 by adding the ethics-related language outlined above. They knew that such provisions would be highly controversial, but they were counting on the fact that in the last hectic hours of a session, members were much too busy to read the piles of legislation flying across their desks.
Under such circumstances, legislators casting votes are forced to rely on assurances from their colleagues that the bills coming before them are worthy of support. It is an act of faith and trust, and in this case, that faith and trust was betrayed.
After the conference committee concluded its work, Bulloch went to the Senate chamber, told his fellow senators that a deal had been worked out on little ol’ HB 875 and urged their support. It passed overwhelmingly by a vote of 46-4, but a look at the four “no” votes suggest that word of the bill’s true intent had already begun to leak out.
One of the four “no” votes was Josh McKoon, a freshman Republican from Columbus who had angered his party leadership by daring to sponsor ethics-reform legislation. Another was Democrat Jason Carter of Decatur, who earlier in the evening had tried and failed to force a floor vote on legislation imposing a $100 limit on gifts from lobbyists. The third was Democrat Gloria Butler, secretary of the Senate Ethics Committee; the fourth was Mike Crane, a freshman Republican from Newnan.
With time ticking down in the session, the bill now moved to the House, where it was introduced to legislators with no mention of its revised content. By then, however, AJC reporters and others had caught wind of the changes made to the bill. As House members began to vote, word was spreading. Alarmed legislators who had initially voted “yes” on the bill quickly began changing those votes to “no”, and in the end the bill was defeated by a vote of 25 to 143.
Wilkinson, the House Ethics Committee chairman, later tried to defend the rejected language, calling opposition to it “disgraceful.” As he saw it, the public has no right to know when legislators miss legal deadlines for filing ethics forms.
“Why should [a politician’s] name be up there if he didn’t do anything wrong?” he said.
That is wrong on so many levels. First, it is wrong as a matter of process. If the only way to enact your “good idea” is by smuggling it into unrelated legislation at the last minute, then maybe, just maybe, it wasn’t really such a good idea.
Second, let’s think about what really happened here. In the past, Wilkinson has defended Georgia’s ethics laws by stressing the importance of disclosure. If legislators and lobbyists disclose everything as required by law, he has argued, we don’t really need laws against gifts and conflicts of interest, etc. The voters will have all the information they need to discipline their elected officials.
In reality, however, some legislators are going years without filing required disclosure forms; they also aren’t paying the required fines, because the state ethics commission lacks the resources and gumption to take action. As a result, the only remaining incentive to encourage legislators to file disclosure by the legal deadline is public exposure if they do not.
Last week, Wilkinson and other tried to reduce public disclosure about legislators’ failure to publicly disclose, and they tried to do it without full disclosure. That is not open government.
That is, to borrow Wilkinson’s word, “disgraceful.”
– Jay Bookman
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Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
12:52 pm
firsties?
getalife
March 31st, 2012
12:58 pm
Corrupt pols policing themselves will never work.
Business as usual.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
1:01 pm
Usually when you’re on the bottm, there’s nowhere to go but up. Looks like this provision defies that old axiom.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
1:06 pm
The political divisiveness we have just contributes to this type of corruption. When you know that the other party has NO consideration for your opinions or concerns you are much less likely to call out the flaws of your own party.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
March 31st, 2012
1:14 pm
A slimy bunch. I hope the AJC pushes this to the forefront of public knowledge. It’s time to demand reforms. This should not be a Republican/Democrat matter but an matter of what is right for all people of this state. Unfortunately I suspect it will be lost in more ODS and deflection.
Daedalus
March 31st, 2012
1:17 pm
Another legislative session, another failure on meaningful ethics reform.
Boy, I’m sure glad these clowns fixed our transportation mess. That took courage.
Or it will if they ever do it.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
1:19 pm
It sounds as though this session did nothing to benefit anyone but themselves.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
1:26 pm
I suppose “disgraceful” is the nice way of describing Wilkinson and his cohorts.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
1:29 pm
As long as they continue to support family values and make sure their women folk cannot abort one of their inbred and fight to protect us from the unholy, they can get away with anything.
Ennis
March 31st, 2012
1:34 pm
Legislators claim they don’t get paid enuff. Do they think and expect lobbist to make up the differences in what they get and what they expect? Do they actually believe the public doesn’t need to know they are getting a salary boost? Ga is dead last in ethics reform and expectations. Why, or why can’t the people of Georgia vet the people who are running for office?? It seems that the people of Georgia would rather keep voting in the same ole’ slime balls than get out and find people willing to run that have the Public’s best interest at heart
Jay
March 31st, 2012
1:44 pm
They DON’T get paid enough. That is absolutely true.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
1:47 pm
Well, you get what you pay for.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
1:49 pm
Money won’t change the
mindset of a thief, it’s
the stealing they enjoy.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
1:52 pm
Froggie I agree but if the pay is too low, all you get running for office ARE thieves and other ilks.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
1:58 pm
Don’t forget,
Unlike the bankers
and wall streeters
and CEOs.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
2:01 pm
Froggie, not all bankers and CEO’s are crooked. But it’s the ones who are that pay officials to make it easier to steal.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
2:08 pm
Don’t Forget,
As per Jay, not all
legislators are crooks
but the ones that are
deal with the crooked
bankers, wall streeters
and CEOs and more pay
wouldn’t change that.
It’s a part time job.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
2:12 pm
Even poor Kyle’s hand quivered as he tried his best to apply lipstick to that pig.
josef
March 31st, 2012
2:13 pm
Legislators and ethics…oh, come on, just how naive are we? Ethics go out the window with taking the oath of office. Corrupt to the core, every last one of them. The best that we can hope for is that the watchdogs, no small few of them equally out for their own interests, keep them at least wary of getting too bold.
My question, though, is who is watching the watchers?
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
2:16 pm
josef,
Jay.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 31st, 2012
2:18 pm
Well, it’s a shame the guy got caught trying to pull a fast one. But you got to admit, if he’d of got by with it, no one would of ever knowed and what you don’t know can’t hurt you. Right? And everybody else could of said they never knowed what they were voting for.
I say raise the statehouse pay to about $500,000. Then it would be fun to watch the real battles around election time. I’m sorta reminded of the story of the guy that dropped his keys in a commode. He pulled a $20 bill out of his pocket and dropped that in too. When his buddy asked what he was doing, he said “If I’m going to have to put my hand in there, I might as well make it worthwhile.”
josef
March 31st, 2012
2:23 pm
Frog
And not to rile al Shariff Imam Torquemada, but he has his interests in watching, watcher though he may be and not to go casting stones, but who’s watching him watch them?
In all fairness, covering all the shennanigans of that pack of thieves, liars and cheats, especially the spectacular lot we have in the Empire State of the South, would be impossible. I just wonder what’s at work in his particular choices. There is a bias there, even though he, no doubt, will bristle at the use of the term “bias,” neutral though it is in denotation.
And, Imam, I generally share your bias, okay?
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
2:27 pm
Josef, diversity of bias.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
2:28 pm
josef,
The AJC is watching Jay.
Fine, let's talk appalling...and “disgraceful”
March 31st, 2012
2:28 pm
Former Black Panther Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) made quite a fuss when he donned a “hoodie” during a speech in the U.S. House of Representatives until he was escorted out. At the time, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “applauded his courage” for doing so. Meanwhile, back home in Rush’s district, two men wearing hooded sweatshirts, or “hoodies,” were the shooters in an incident that left one dead and five injured.
PALMDALE, Calif. (AP) – Seven black teens have been arrested on suspicion that they committed a hate crime when they attacked a 15-year-old Hispanic boy while he was walking home from school in Southern California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office.
Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free
josef
March 31st, 2012
2:39 pm
Frog
And who’s watching the AJC? I’m not just being snippy here. I do appreciate the role of the pressm and the Herculean efforts made, But theirs is a self-appointed role and they have their own interests which often enough take priority to those of the general population.
I guess what I am saying is: scr*w all this ethics blather and let’s get real. I’m serious when I say I long for the days of Huey P when it was up front and, yes, honest. You wanna go back in office? Well, where’s my share of the corruption? Say whatever else you will about the Kingfish, he brought Louisiana into the 20th Century with a public education system, a highway system and loads of other public services. Corruption and kickback big time, but “honest” corruption and kickback. They weren’t hypocrites about it.
THIS is not open government!!!
March 31st, 2012
2:39 pm
President Obama promised to bring unprecedented transparency to Washington, D.C. As late as 2010, he told an audience, “I won’t stop fighting to open up government.” Around the same time, his press secretary asserted that the Obama Administration is the most transparent in American history. Though it pushed for lobbying disclosure, urged earmark-request disclosure, and willingly made White House visitor logs available, Obama’s first term has in fact been rife with just the sort of opacity that breeds corruption, obscures misdeeds, and undermines public trust in government. Far from being praiseworthy, the prevailing executive-branch attitude toward secrecy is an abomination, as is evident from even a cursory look at its real-world manifestations.
Conor Friedersdorf
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
2:40 pm
“And who’s watching the AJC?”
Has everyone suddenly gone blind?
josef
March 31st, 2012
2:41 pm
Don’t Forget
“Diversity of bias.”
I’m for that.
josef
March 31st, 2012
2:43 pm
Doggone
Not blind, per se, but blindered…
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
2:44 pm
“Not blind, per se, but blindered…”
In that case, it doesn’t matter who is watching the AJC…since they’re blindered it makes no difference. Right?
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
2:45 pm
josef,
CNN is watching the AJC.
Georgia has a history too.
And a present bad Deal.
josef
March 31st, 2012
2:51 pm
Doggone
“..it makes no difference…”
Essentially, true. The point is, there is so much horse-crap going on by our elected officials, no matter who we are we have to pick and choose just what we’re going to get bent out of shape about. I just wonder when I hear about this, that or the other one, what is at work and why that particular choice.
Mary Elizabeth
March 31st, 2012
2:52 pm
Excellent editorial. Thank you.
josef
March 31st, 2012
2:52 pm
Frog
And who’s watching CNN?
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
2:56 pm
The worst state government that dirty money can buy. And from Nathan Dirty Deal on down, arguably the worst in modern history.
Ethically bankrupt pigs at the public trough.
But they are not the real issue.
The rubes who vote for them are.
Republican voters are not the solution to our problems. They are the problem. ~Thomas Jefferson
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
2:56 pm
That midnight rider should be named in honor of Phil Gramm and his last minute sleight of hand that gave us the mess that is the opaque derivatives market. After all, he’s a product of Georgia and a mighty fine example of the unethical types we are capable of turning out.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
2:57 pm
Josef the problem with the “benevolent dictator” model, if you think that’s a fair description, is how do you ensure the benevolence. Ya might just get another Nixon type.
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
2:59 pm
” I just wonder when I hear about this, that or the other one, what is at work and why that particular choice.”
What it’s going to take…pretty much what it ALWAYS takes…is an egregious case that hit’s the public’s imagination. More or less like the Trayvon Marting case of the present time.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:00 pm
ZamVet
I follow the shennanigans of enough other state legislatures to know that Georgia is just e pluribus unum. Texas and Illinois, just to name two, make Georgia’s look like rank amateurs…
Just saying..
March 31st, 2012
3:00 pm
Thanks, Jay, well written.
Wish my reaction could be different than “And the surprise is…?”
getalife
March 31st, 2012
3:04 pm
Yes, huge scandals have to break out before they are forced to address corruption.
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
3:06 pm
No, josef, not according to a noted study that came out recently.
Georgia got the lowest score out of all fifty states – a 49 out of 100.
Nineteen states got grades of C, and 18 got a D. Eight states got an ‘F,’ with grades of 59 or lower: North Dakota, Michigan, South Carolina, Maine, Virginia, Wyoming, South Dakota and Georgia.
One list does not make a total argument but look a the categories used and it is really damning for this dead red state of ours: 330 corruption risk indicators across 14 government categories, including access to information, campaign finance, executive accountability, legislative accountability, judicial accountability, budgeting, civil service management, procurement, internal auditing, lobbying disclosure, pension fund management, ethics enforcement, insurance commissions, and redistricting.
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2012/03/19/2725508/study-statehouses-at-high-risk.html
No need to try and put some lipstick on this Georgia pig by turning the attention to Tx. or Il.
We suck, REALLY suck. No matter what the story is elsewhere…
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:09 pm
Doggone
@ 2:59
I would much agree with that. And due to the nature of the beast, watching it itself leads to the “special interest” conundrum…
Don’t Forget
Huey was many things, but not a dictator. He knew his limits and he knew how to read the public mood. It’s not that I particularly am in favor of his brand of shennanigans, I’m not. But I am for transparency and since they’re all pretty much cut from the same corrupt fabric (and, no, I don’t think it’s a problem specific to our time and place, it’s been going on since Ugh ousted Argh for Cave Chief and control of fire), at least give me one who’s up front.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:12 pm
ZamVet
And who funded the “noted study?” And, believe me, I’m not out to put lipstick on this spectacular convention of village idiots, but, again, Georgia is playing penny ante when put up against the shekels at play in the larger, more populous states…
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:13 pm
josef,
The FCC is watching CNN
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
3:16 pm
Give it up BF…he’s just going to come back and ask who’s watching, not matter WHAT answer you give.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:17 pm
Frog
Who’s watching the FCC?
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:19 pm
josef,
The FBI is watching the FCC.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:19 pm
DOGGONE
Yes, I am…and what we’ll get in the long run is a circle…that’s why I’m saying how DO you get past the special interests and blindered vision? Like I said, I’m not out to be snippy, it’s just that there comes a point when the whole effort is essentially futile and, well, an exercise in trivial pursuit.
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
3:19 pm
And who funded the “noted study?”
The Center for Public Integrity, Public Radio International and Global Integrity. I presume you did not read that article?
And that changes what?
If you have some rankings where the “larger, more populous states are more corrupt, I’d like to view them.
Because this study actually addressed what I think is your canard. (read the paragraph that starts, “The report found that states with well-known scandals or histories of corruption…”)
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:20 pm
Frog
And who’s watching the FBI?
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:25 pm
josef,
President Obama is
watching the FBI.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:26 pm
ZamVet
Look, I’m not arguing Georgia’s spot on the list…I’m talking about magnitude. If you look at the list of states with which it shares rank, most are backwaters where cronyism is more endemic because they have less pigs slopping at the trough.
My objection to such is that the net result is “…and? Your point is?” To harp on it being first/last depending on the metric is to make it so much easier to say, as we all seem to be doing, “what do you expect, so why bother?”
If Georgia came in, oh, say 38 on the list, would that be more “acceptable?”
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:27 pm
FROG
And who’s watching the President?
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
3:27 pm
“Who’s watching the FCC?”
I rest my case!
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
3:29 pm
Who is watching you, frog?
(Tom Ridge, Michael Chertoff, John Ashcroft and Janet Neapolitan and their illegal spy boys)
To all of whom I give the one fingered salute…
getalife
March 31st, 2012
3:30 pm
What did government do to try to stop drugs? Zero tolerance and mandatory sentences.
What did government do to try to stop drunk driving? Zero tolerance and mandatory sentences.
What did government do to try to stop corruption? See where I am going with this point?
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
3:30 pm
“that’s why I’m saying how DO you get past the special interests and blindered vision? Like I said, I’m not out to be snippy, it’s just that there comes a point when the whole effort is essentially futile and, well, an exercise in trivial pursuit.”
And I’ve already answered that…it’s going to take a case that captures the public’s imagination and that can’t be overlooked. LIke Watergate, which was both.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:31 pm
josef,
No one. The buck stops
here. If the others are
crooks, It’s Obama’s
fault.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:31 pm
DOGGONE
Rest your case? I’ve already pled guilty as charged!
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
3:34 pm
“Rest your case? I’ve already pled guilty as charged”
That was just timing conflict!
edman
March 31st, 2012
3:34 pm
Good catch, Jay. I for one could not be happier that you are watching and reporting all of this. Here is what worries me: if not Jay, then who?
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:35 pm
FROG
Agreed. That’s why I’m such a Harry S fan…thanks for playing, but there’s no small amount of truth in what you say. So, he’s the one who’s doing the picking and choosing for us all. Now, why is he choosing the ones he’s choosing?
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
3:35 pm
If Georgia came in, oh, say 38 on the list, would that be more “acceptable?”
Yes. Of course.
You have a pretty obvious bias against the non-southern states.
As often as not, you will take a (cheap?) shot at Yankees/northerners.
Two of the three you have mentioned today are New York (by nickname) and Illinois.
Just an uppity observation…
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:35 pm
JamVet,
Please don’t tell them
I’m here.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:36 pm
DOGGONE
Ah, but timing is everything!
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:37 pm
josef,
Politics.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:38 pm
ZamVet
Texas is not Southern? Do tell. And in case you don’t know Georgia has long been known as the Empire State of the South.
There was nothing even remotely anti-Yankee in what I said. Your own sheet’s showing here, Pombo…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 31st, 2012
3:39 pm
Well, I got a Free Market solution to this ethics problem. I know you don’t listen to me, but hear me out.
Right now these legislaters are owned by a whole bunch of private cos. And to own them the private cos. got to pay to buy them. That’s where the problem comes in. Some pay with golf trips, some pay with trips to Europe, some pay with real nice dinners, some pay with good-looking female lobbyists sleeping with the legislaters, and so on. And so the legislaters got to do their best to hide these gifts from the public.
Why don’t we just nip the problem in the bud by letting the cos. buy the legislaters up front? Heck, if we do that, we might not even need to pay the legislaters. The legislaters could use Free Innerprize to put theirselfs on sale to cos. The one with the highest bid would own the legislater.
And there might even be some free advertizing for the cos. A legislater from, say, Bushy Flats GA could be called Jimmy Bob Bushwhacker (R—Bushy Flats, courtesy of Labmark Hypodermic Syringe Corporation—-Labmark: sticking it to you since 1934.)
And don’t tell me you don’t know these legislaters are owned lock, stock & barrel by cos. You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it—but nobody can prove it. If you don’t like a co., you could vote against the legislater in the next election.
Give it some thought. I expect you’ll decide that the Free Market is the best solution to the ethics problem.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
3:39 pm
josef appears to be throwing in the towel and resolving that they may be corrupt but at least they’re my little penny ante corrupt ones. By the way, who’s watching josef?
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:40 pm
josef,
well you know he used
to smoke dope. hard to
give that up.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:40 pm
Frog
Yep. Special interests and money talks and bullsh*t walks…
Normal, plain and simple
March 31st, 2012
3:40 pm
Been changing toilets here, so naturally I was thinking of the Georgia Congress… I think I found remnants of Wilkinson and Bulloch in my “U” bend….
If YOU do not vote, then YOU have no voice...
March 31st, 2012
3:44 pm
No ethics means no justice! Thanks for keeping us informed.
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
3:44 pm
Please don’t tell them
I’m here.
No worries, frog. But they already know. Like Dylan said, “You know need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.”
And in this country and this day and age it is a wind with a very strong fascist smell to it.
jo, I did not know that was a nickname for Georgia. (But I can tell you pretty much every arcane fact there is to know about Kansas!)
getalife
March 31st, 2012
3:45 pm
cons lost the ability to determine right from wrong. Our moral compass is broken like our government.
Make no mistake, it is you, the people that are to blame for corruption but it has been a world wide problem since the invention of government.
I think it is Singapore paying pols millions in salary to try to solve it . China passes out death sentences and that has not stopped it.
Is it a solvable problem?
Not yet.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:45 pm
josef,
the best thing about
politics is interns. that
is why the journalists
cover it so closely.
CHEVY runs deep!!!
March 31st, 2012
3:46 pm
in GA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM&feature=related
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:47 pm
TAXI
I threw in the towel on that one ages ago… and you’re pretty on spot with that “at least they’re my little penny ante corrupt ones…” except I’d change the first person singular possessive pronoun to the plural…
Which is why I said what I said at the very beginning that the press does an Herculean effort and have no choice but to pick and choose. I’m just saying that expression of outrage when it’s brought to our attention in this, that or the other case does little to address the real issue.
And who’s watching me? Al Shariff Imam Torquemada?
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:50 pm
ZamVet
I don’t live in Kansas, either.
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
3:51 pm
“And who’s watching me? Al Shariff Imam Torquemada?”
and how long will it take to get to “God’s watching”?
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:51 pm
Jamvet,
if they already know,
I’ll hide behind another
sock puppet and only
Jay will know but he won’t
tell. journalistic ethics.
wet wiccan
March 31st, 2012
3:54 pm
Who’s watching who? Well you can be sure “THEY” are watching all of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGcdFLJrdJY
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:55 pm
Doggone
G-d’s watching? I thought that was a given.
Normal, plain and simple
March 31st, 2012
3:55 pm
Wet…
The stalker’s song!!!???
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
3:56 pm
“G-d’s watching? I thought that was a given”
Sure, but there seems to be quite a few people who call themselves worshipers who seem to forget that.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
3:57 pm
Well I can’t hardly argue the fact that corruption, amongst other things, has been and will continue to be with us for so long as we are but mere mortals but would that not also be sufficient reason to continue to strive for as much transparency as possible and, to that end, rely on folks like Jay as well as ourselves to be there to spread the word once that word gets a little too smelly to keep under nose any longer. And with that, I again ask, did the tea party, GRTL, et al, get everything they were hoping for in whomever they chose to support? Do they willingly and knowingly toss ethics, or other lesser “sins”, out the window in exchange for a 20-week time limit or just one more tax cut…? What price for their souls?
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
3:58 pm
Converts idea isn’t that crazy and I’ve thought of it before. If a candidate or PAC or superPac had to say “brought to you by the Koch Brothers, or GE or UAW or whatever it would be a lot more honest than American’s for Goodness and Light or some other BS. We shouldn’t suffer under the illusion that is any such thing as an unbiased opinion. One of my biggest beefs with Fox is this “fair and balanced” bs. Why don’t they just be honest and state their bias. MSNBC is biased but at least they are honest about it.
josef
March 31st, 2012
3:59 pm
wiccan
A quick funny for you…back when the Freedom of Information Act was passed several of my left wing radical and no small few of my right wing cohorts couldn’t believe I wasn’t going to ask for my files, especially the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission ones (a long story there). I told them I didn’t want to go through the ego deflate of finding out I didn’t have any…”aw, go ahead,” a Commie buddy said, “ask for it and if you didn’t have one you will now.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
4:00 pm
JAY:
I hear you and I have always been in agreement with you on this one.
However, just remember that during the Clinton years in the White House many of the workers in his Administration wouldn’t (or couldn’t for obvious reasons) fill out the required forms for security clearances. They stalled until the FBI/Secret Service gave up or until they left for a different job. This went on for years and they were never made to comply.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:02 pm
RC, et al. I would prefer
we complete the fence
around the entire
country and let prison
rules apply.
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
4:03 pm
I’ll hide behind another
sock puppet
LOL, frog.
I’ve got this image of the cartoon character hiding behind a real skinny tree as if no one can see him!
Oh for the good old days when Nixon’s hit lists had a finite number of people on them.
josef
March 31st, 2012
4:03 pm
TAXI
Price on their souls? Oh, about a dime a dozen…
Doggone
I much agree with that…
wet wiccan
March 31st, 2012
4:08 pm
josef -
So did they have a file on you? How much was redacted? Haha!
Jack
March 31st, 2012
4:08 pm
Maybe this kind of corruption ought to be the AJC headline instead the lottery and the Florida mess.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
March 31st, 2012
4:10 pm
If it is truly this bad with the Republicans in charge, think how bad it would be with the Democrats in charge. The Democrats might even resort to “passing a bill so we can find out what is in it”.
josef
March 31st, 2012
4:12 pm
wiccan
I still don’t know if they did or not. Enough of my confederates (jump ZamVet, jump
) had them that if I didn’t the watches weren’t watching too closely and, well, I DID make the national network news and testified before federal outside agitators… 
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:12 pm
JamVet,
Nixon is my political
hero. He built a career
and lost it. Came back
and got elected President.
Commited a felony in
office and saved himself
by appointing the next
President. Retired with
a pension and died an
elder statesman. Now
that’s a Politician.
carlosgvv
March 31st, 2012
4:13 pm
Georgia politicians have, for some time now, made no effort to hide their contempt for the average citizen. They seem to know their electorate will vote for them no matter what. This raises an obvious question. Why would people vote for those who have nothing but contempt for them?
Jm
March 31st, 2012
4:15 pm
I can report that the 1% are doing just fine
carlosgvv
March 31st, 2012
4:17 pm
Black helicopters fly over my house a lot.
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
4:17 pm
If it is truly this bad with the Republicans in charge, think how
bad it would be with the Democrats in charge.much better things would be if our Republican voters actually gave a ____?jo, I’m not interested in any ongoing low level Civil Wars. We won the last one and that is good enough for me! (Rock, chalk, Jayhawk!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDQrelRFdVQ
DETROIT IN THE GOOD OL' DAYS! 1961 Chevy TV Ad in Color
March 31st, 2012
4:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQOJ34bFbas&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2035EB31543922F0
getalife
March 31st, 2012
4:18 pm
Notice how our cons are quick to deflect blame to the other party.
This will make them feel better about marching lock step with their corrupt party but does nothing to address the problem.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:19 pm
carlosgvv,
it may be the sentiment
‘they’re S.O.B.s but
they’re our S.O.B.s’
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:21 pm
Jm,
who told you the 1%
are fine?..getalife?
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
4:23 pm
frog, I was only 19 when Nixon left office in disgrace. The man was a train wreck as a person, but later in life when I learned more about his presidency, I realized that he was not altogether one as a president.
And compared to the last Republican president that we endured, he was a veritable Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln all rolled into one…
getalife
March 31st, 2012
4:23 pm
frog,
It is common knowledge that the 1 % are doing better than ever.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:27 pm
JamVet ,
Unfortunately Nixon
was a lawyer thus
ethically challenged.
Cheney would’ve shot
him in the face.
Jm
March 31st, 2012
4:27 pm
Frog
My eyes and ears
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:29 pm
getalife,
Jm’s knowledge is pretty
common.
josef
March 31st, 2012
4:29 pm
ZamVet
You fired the first shot today, Beauregard!
Nixon,
No big fan by a long shot and was glad to see him go into well deserved ignomy, but fact is he’s the best (and only) friend the Nobel Savage has ever had at 1600 and he gave us the EPA…
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:31 pm
Jm,
I thought maybe the
IRS let it slip.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
4:31 pm
As far as the civil war, we can put the south down again.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
4:33 pm
Why would people vote for those who have nothing but contempt for them?
Because they have been convinced that the alternative would be even worse. That’s the current state of affairs all across the country.
Jm
March 31st, 2012
4:34 pm
Frog
IRS is on the side of the 1%
marko
March 31st, 2012
4:35 pm
Newt’s contract on America had a provision for term limits. He promised to bring the matter up for a vote,and he delivered . They voted down term limits by a huge margin. Forget term limits Or ethics legislation. They’d sooner give up their heath care and pension plans than accept nonsense like that. Just who do those uppity voters think they are anyway? Did it ever occur to the insufferable ingrates out there in Voterville that these hard working public servants deserve their meager perks? Aren’t you ashamed of yourselves? What if they went on strike? Who’d protect us from the Boogie Man? I shudder at the thought.
josef
March 31st, 2012
4:36 pm
getalife
“We can put the South down again…”
Why would that be necessary? History has shown that all imperial powers eventually crumble from within…all Southerners have to do is bide their time…
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:36 pm
getalife,
might be tough,
the south has all
the factories and
they’re all owned
former US enemies.
Jm
March 31st, 2012
4:36 pm
Frog / getalife
It must be a lot of work toggling
josef
March 31st, 2012
4:38 pm
Don’t Forget
“…across the country…” being the operative phrase.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
4:38 pm
Well, if we collapse like the USSR, the south can break away and form their own countries.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:41 pm
Jm,
IRS is on the side of 1%
what?
What’s toggling? some
perverted sexual innuendo?
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
4:42 pm
Josef,
Absooooluuuutely, we deny ourselves the value of the opposing opinions by the demonization of the persons voicing them.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:44 pm
Don’t Forget demonization
works.
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
4:48 pm
josef, damn the torpedoes! (I know, I know. Wrong war.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ytcQW93yrU
Jm
March 31st, 2012
4:49 pm
Frog. IRS loopholes
Forget toggling.
1% gave a lot of money to charity today
josef
March 31st, 2012
4:49 pm
getalife
They’re already their own countries, that type of collapse would make it feasible to form their own nations…same for the Pacific Northwest (i.e. Ecotopia, New England (the cradle of secessionism and where polls show a greater popular support for separation than in the South, then there’s California, where the idea floats from time to time, Alaska and Hawaii where secessionists anti-colonialists actually have brought the matter to the public, political fora. That leaves the Mid Atlantic and Midwest…
Walter Miller in “A Canticle for Leibowitz” drew a pretty accurate map of what could (would?) emerge from such a collapse…
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:50 pm
getalife,
we don’t do a good job
of forming our counties,
let alone countries..
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
4:50 pm
Unfortunately Nixon
was a lawyer thus
ethically challenged.
Cheney would’ve shot
him in the face.
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:52 pm
Jm, yeh ..on their 1040s
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
4:52 pm
Yes is does froggie, and so we have a number of feeble minded souls who buy the bs.
Whahema
March 31st, 2012
4:54 pm
No such outrage Fromm Bookman with house skulduggery in passing Obamacare on Christmas Eve with arm twisting, bribes, kickbacks and secrecy. Seems Bookman’s moral sense is very selective.
josef
March 31st, 2012
4:55 pm
ZamVet
Nope. Right war. Admiral Farragut (the Union’s token Hispanic, but Southern born and bred) during the Battle for Mobile Bay in reference to the torpedoes pioneered by MOT David Lopez. Mobile was not captured until the last days of the war due to the land defenses engineered by Loreta Janeta Velazquez. The lesson? “Our” Hispanics can beat “your” Hispanics!
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
4:55 pm
Speaking of the modern day Spiro Agnew, did Cheney’s new heart reject his body?
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
4:55 pm
DDR,
Sorry. de rigueur..
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
4:55 pm
If the south were a country it would soon split up due to difference’s over college football. Without SEC unity it would all fall apart.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
4:57 pm
Headline (New York Times): “Fighting Terrorists French Style”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/sunday-review/the-french-way-of-fighting-homegrown-terrorism.html?_r=1&hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFxGPkPTyw
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
Jamvet,
funny but that IS a possiblity. Transplanted organs have “resident” white blood cells and “graft vs. host” is one of the ways that transplants can fail. Hopefully that won’t happen.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
4:59 pm
Well, if we collapse like the USSR, the south can break away and form their own countries.
Yes – they can call themselves the United Baptist Holiness Better Than You And We Ain’t Dumb States. They can build a fence around themselves a’la China, kick out all the “ne’er do wells” and keep their confederate flag without anyone b8tchin about it.
Then they can completely turn over all government functions to corporations and the govenors and other lawmakers can move up North.
pogo
March 31st, 2012
5:02 pm
Dem’s and Repugs in Georgia’s state government are both bought and paid for by the farming and timber industries (and all of those industries associated with them). While the timber industry denudes the state of hardwood trees (which take about a century to regrow) the pol’s do nothing. Hardwood logging in Georgia is an ugly thing but it makes one hell of a lot of money. The loggers will go into wetlands and river bottoms to get the product they are looking for, which is old growth hardwood (Oak), and in the process they destroy everything that lives there, both flora and fauna. Take a look at the landscape on 341 between Eastman and Macon some time and see what it looks like and take a look along the Altamaha river sometime. There is a thin line of trees next to the river but behind it is a wasteland which used to be hardwood trees. Now it is planted in fast growing pines which do absolutely nothing to help the environment whatsoever. And all of this destruction of bio-habitat lies solely at the feet of the politicians in this state and the greedy loggers and saw-mill owners who feed them money. The farmers are just as bad. They pump and pump and pump out of a public aquifer for their crops and meanwhile people are starting to run out of water for their houses in South Georgia.
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
5:02 pm
DF, yep. I’d like to see him hang around for awhile so he can make some more spectacularly stupid statements. Just to further secure his awful legacy.
Whahema must love his dirty Georgia legislators. He can’t get his ODS red herrings out quick enough!
Well, jo, as I’ve utterly botched this excursion against the confederates topic, I’m moving on!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE-F5vuQJjo
Ho-Hum
March 31st, 2012
5:03 pm
Looks like it was right out of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi Healthcare Law playbook!!!!
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:04 pm
DDR
Don’t forget the Republic of New Africa! The first Provisional President Imari Obadele was an old running buddy and mentor of mine back in the day. He DID have some files!
****
And SEC and the split up
Once again organized religion raising its ugly haid!
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:04 pm
no worries froggie! it WAS funny, and, dare i say it? somewhat accurate!!
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:05 pm
ZamVet
You always do!
Meanwhile...
March 31st, 2012
5:05 pm
“The past seven brutal days will go down as one of the worst weeks in history for a sitting president. It certainly has been, without any doubt, the worst week yet for President Obama.
Somehow, Mr. Obama managed to embarrass himself abroad, humiliate himself here at home, see his credentials for being elected so severely undermined that it raises startling questions about whether he should have been elected in the first place — let alone be re-elected later this year.
Consider”… see the following link
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/hurt-was-week-was-obama-style/print/
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
5:07 pm
Republicans took over Georgia by campaigning on their claims of cleaning house and family values and such. Defending their failure is a failure on the part of the defender to acknowledge that history and the fact that the Republicans are now the lying no good hypocrites regardless of whatever the ones they ousted did in the past. Saying that they are no worse than their predecessors is a lie in and of itself. It’s a copout.
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:08 pm
ZamVet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
Where is Kamchak??
We have a moonie times
quote.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:10 pm
josef – Really? You’re not joking you’re serious?
With that type of a life as a resume, WTF are you doing in Georgia? seriously?
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:13 pm
Meanwhile…
President Obama has done a pretty good job of steering a middle of the road, moderately conservative-moderately liberal course for his country and that is where the bulk of our population is, the fringes (of which I am a left wing one) who have hijacked the public discourse notwithstanding…imuo
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:15 pm
Taxpayer at 5:07 — Word.
It makes me wanna move away but unfortunately is there really a better state for me to move to? Well besides Oregon……..
vuduchld
March 31st, 2012
5:15 pm
You shills voted these idiots in office so I sure as heck don’t feel sorry for you so shut your pie holes, dimwits
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
DDR
Seriously? The South is my home. I’m a Southerner. Among my own, I owe no further explanation. That’s why I came home after fleeing North thinking things would be different there…what I found was the same dance to a different tune…
JamVet
March 31st, 2012
5:18 pm
Meat that is maybe the third or fourth time you posted that tripe, so I decided to take a look.
Last Friday, Mr. Obama wandered into the killing of Trayvon Martin. Aided by his ignorance of the situation, knee-jerk prejudices and tendency toward racial profiling…
What buffoonery! And to proffer it as a substance free, quote free fact? Otay.
By most accounts, Mr. Obama and his stuttering lawyers were all but laughed out of the courthouse. They were even stumbling over softball questions lobbed by Mr. Obama’s own hand-picked justices.
Yeah, riiiight. That’s exactly why he provided examples, transcripts and quotes. Sheesh.
While in South Korea he was caught on a hidden mic negotiating with the president of our longest-standing rival on how to sell America and her allies down the river once he gets past the next election.
Sell down the river? Really? This is truly sixth grade stuff.
As for embarrassing, Mr. Hurt had a terrible week himself it appears…
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
josef that was regarding your knowing Imaari Obadele and basically all the people you’ve known, do know, etc. You should write a memoir…sort of like that lady who wrote about being the world’s greatet groupie who didn’t get VD. (joke)
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
DDR
Oregon? The Northwest was a wonderful place and we have many fond memories…but no place for an Indian…
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
JamVet I clicked on it too–saw that it was an opinion piece, read the first paragraph and immediately lost interest.
This part here:
So, in one week, Mr. Obama got caught whispering promises to our enemy, incited a race war……
……….was probably meant to be a comedy piece written by a 3rd grader since it was neither accurate NOR was it even remotely truthful.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
why is the northwest no place for an indian? are you speaking metaphorically, historically (Sakachewa); or being tongue in cheek?
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
DDR
That autobiography is on the back burner for retirement. I’m calling it “Growing Up Human…reflections of an unrepentent Southerner…”
Provisional President Obadele and I had several late night talk sessions in which we came to agreement on the central issue that when you have groups of people who form the majority populations of a given geographical area who do not feel to be accepted by the imperial population, then it is best for them to go their own way, to rise or fall as per their own endeavors and in control of their own destinies. Then they would have no one to blame or credit but themselves.
And the people I’ve known…just being in the right place at the right time…or maybe in some cases, the wrong place at the wrong time, right place at the wrong time, or wrong place at the right time!
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:30 pm
oh and josef I thought this was you at first
Cops: Teacher, student had sex in exchange for ‘A’
until i remembered you teach elementary school. My bad.
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:35 pm
DDR
Unmentionable’s experience there was not at all good…open attacks on the street, told to “go back to the reservation,” denied professional advancement…we were there at the time of the Boldt decision upholding treaty fishing rights and got a good view of their white sheets and hoods…had a lot of Pesky Savage friends who filled in the gaps for us…
One of my vignettes for the memoir has to do with when I was the “white Southern Jewboy” special guest of the Nooksack Nation…an honor, it was, but in its outplay, well, let’s just say I was made “welcome” by the Tribal Elders and Youngers alike! Think Lion’s Club through the haze of Yakima fireweed and one fine looking brave!
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:39 pm
DDR
Well, true I do teach elementary school and that doesn’t enter there…BUT, another of the vignettes DOES have to do with my A in Algebra I, my track coach and the history course from hell! And another with a certain principal who, bless his heart, just couldn’t understand that my turn down had nothing to do with his charms, but with my incurable romantic sense of fealty to my current boyfriend…so, he got scared, and the rest you’ll have to wait for the book to find out!
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:46 pm
The most interesting people that I’ve ever met were Coretta Scott King and Betty Shabazz. I did a paper on them when I was I high school and was lucky enough to get an interview with both of them, a couple of months apart; but just in time for me to turn in my paper for National Women’s Day.
What was so interesting about them was that they were two “supporting” women on different ends of the same stick so to speak.
I may do an article and/or commentary about those interviews with them one day; but this time from a woman’s perspective rather than a young girl’s.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
5:54 pm
Boldt decision: For years preceding the Boldt decision, the state of Washington had attempted to limit the treaty fishing rights of the tribes. The federal government filed suit in the support of Native American rights. Non-Native fishermen in the state opposed the decision.
You know i went to school in Washington, you know i NEVER learned about that decision in history classes!! I had to google it to try to figure out what you were talking about. Amazing what was missed in NOT teaching this in school.
josef
March 31st, 2012
5:58 pm
DDR
As you might imagine, Black women have had a strong impact on my life and world view, having stood by me as a gay boy and providing, well, a good balance between recognition of the harsh realities of your being, but having a good time along the way. Most of them are unknown, everyday people. The one, however, who is my role model, heroine and someone I was blessed to have spent time with is Fannie Lou Hamer. One of my biggest ranh-ranhs with the black hagiologists is that they all but overlook her and, in my uppity opinion, she was more courageous and more rightous than the whole Black History Month pantheon of notable civil rights icons combined…
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
6:01 pm
This is all really appalling.
josef
March 31st, 2012
6:13 pm
DDR
The Indian just doesn’t count in history beyond those first few pages on the pre-Columbian and a token mention here and there of, say Pocahontas, Sacajawea, Black Hawk, Geronimo, or Sequoyah, at least in the national mythology. Being from Mississippi and having had Mississippi history, I got a bit of a better understanding of at least the Southeastern nations since they and their notables were so prominent in the general history of the state.
But women? Oh, we get, as I said a dose of Pocahontas and Sacajawea, but ne’er a mention of Mary Musgrove, Nancy Ward or Betsy Love Allen, women who literally turned the tide of history.
One of my buds back in college was a Colville who was working on a history of the Colville Nation and its response to the efforts of the federal government to do away with tribal self determination. He was in Washington reading the testimonies and there in one of the more spirited arguments was his Grandmother! He said he knew she had gone to see the “Great Fathers,” but he had no idea of just how bold she was…his memories of her were her playing poker with the white men who came to her juke joint and fleecing them roundly! He used to demonstrate card palming as taught him by her!
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
6:18 pm
Josef, get workin on those memoirs, or at least a good outline. You never know what you might forget or how your thoughts/perceptions might change.
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
6:18 pm
Be careful of cheating at cards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCPutYaGFlE
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
6:20 pm
Or dice that is.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
6:25 pm
sad to say but I had to google Fannie Lou Hamer too!!
I liked the part where she was quoted as saying civil rights should be for all. Coretta Scott King adn Betty Shabazz believed that too. I always believed that Mrs. King must’ve been frustrated with Bernice for her standing with the in the closet “Bishop” Eddie Long.
Mrs. King didn’t believe in the persecution of homosexuals she felt, rightly so, that it was the same type of discrimination that blacks have had in their existence in america.
she probably always knew, as i have always suspected, that long as well as berniece are closeted — that’s why they fight so hard against the inevitable.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
6:27 pm
Recon, same story told a little differently. Love the way they tell it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbwDgbw1yuQ
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
6:28 pm
oh and those memoirs!! josef was hot for teacher!! I’m looking for that song now! please DO writ stuff down josef……….your life is like a rainbow, so full of different colors and experiences!!
George Zimmerman
March 31st, 2012
6:28 pm
I AM GEORGE ZIMMERMAN!!!
josef
March 31st, 2012
6:29 pm
DDR
Oh, I’ve got them collected…not that anyone other than me would be interested…but what you say about changing thoughts and perceptions is much the case. It’s one of the reasons I like coming here to Jay’s Place. Can’t tell you the number of times something somebody will say will jar a memorie loose from the filing cabinets of the memory and it will take on a completely new and hitherto unconsidered significance…
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
6:29 pm
Don’t Forget,
That one was a really good oldie too.
josef
March 31st, 2012
6:31 pm
DDR
My favorite quote of hers and something of a life’s credo for me was “We’re sick and tired of being sick and tired.” It got me through the early days of the AIDs epidemic when no one cared…
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
6:31 pm
here ya go josef:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyMQLrnbBgE
josef
March 31st, 2012
6:35 pm
DDR
A bit afield here…are you familiar with Sweet Honey in the Rock? They did a great ode to Ms Hamer…I went looking and couldn’t find it…
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
6:40 pm
Josef: The Indian just doesn’t count in history beyond those first few pages on the pre-Columbian and a token mention here and there
Word. It wasn’t until I read “Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee” did I get a BETTER perspective of how Indians are NOT portrayed in American History. They say the victor writes history and I had no idea how skewered most history really is.
It’s amazing isn’t it?
josef
March 31st, 2012
6:41 pm
DDR
@ 6:31
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
6:42 pm
not familiar with them; oh well back to google!
josef
March 31st, 2012
6:48 pm
DDR
One of the reasons I beat the tom-tom the way I do here is to try and dispell first the over-romanticized version of the Noble Savage and second the nearly complete lack of any knowledge of the real history and third the contemporary issues in Indian country…
I don’t know if you’ve been following mine and St. Simon’s exchanges but in case you have or have not, they go back to mine and his inside jokes about “Indian things” and what other Americans think…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVGdAGjOItM
Jay
March 31st, 2012
6:49 pm
To reply to Josef and others who asked earlier, and sensibly enough, “who is watching Jay and the other watchers?”
You are.
This is an open forum. If I have any part of this wrong, if someone out there knows something I got wrong or misinterpreted or twisted into something that is untrue, they are free to post here and expose that mistake or even worse, that willful error.
Nobody’s perfect. Every viewpoint or perspective can benefit from another viewpoint or perspective. This is mine; others are welcome to contribute theirs.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
6:49 pm
Josef, the value for much of what you know is “the rest of the story”. Our own little Paul Harvey
josef
March 31st, 2012
6:52 pm
DDR
I got to cook dinner for them one night!
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
6:54 pm
Recon, glad you liked it.
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
6:58 pm
We’re having Lobster Tails, baked potato and salad tonight. No real occasion, we just do it every now and then.
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:00 pm
JAY
I was afraid you might take that the wrong way…one of the reasons I like and respect you personally (at least as far as I may make such a claim) and your blog is that you are sensitive to your watchers…I can call you sensitive, can’t I?
And, yes, you will admit when you got something, if not exactly “wrong” from a perspective that may be misinterpreted. That takes cajones and, more importantly for me, integrity…
Is that enough flattery to bring in Dusty…
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:01 pm
Don’t forget
I miss Paul Harvey…
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
7:05 pm
I miss Dusty.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
7:05 pm
anybody watching the game? man! it’s like a slug fest!! I’ve got Kentucky by 3 and thats gonna be a buzzer beater shot by the guard.
any takers?
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
7:07 pm
Go Kentucky!
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
7:09 pm
josef, that was hilarious. “spirit of the extension cord”.
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
7:10 pm
Jay, why so apologetic?
Jay
March 31st, 2012
7:11 pm
Josef, I don’t believe I took that the wrong way. No offense taken at all — I acknowledge that we all need to be watched.
One of my qualms about doing this blog thing several years ago was the fact that I would have to post without another set of eyeballs looking at what I wrote before I publish it. It’s working without a net. But as I quickly learned, there are a lot of folks out there willing, even eager or overeager to set you straight should you go wrong.
… :>)
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
7:14 pm
“But as I quickly learned, there are a lot of folks out there willing, even eager or overeager to set you straight should you go wrong.”
And to set you “straight” when THEY are wrong!
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
7:15 pm
please do make them dinner and maybe you can let long borrow the boa. bernice will probably wanna wear the strap on……….
Jay
March 31st, 2012
7:16 pm
That too, Dog…
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:16 pm
DEL
I check in with Dusty from time to time over to Kyle’s…she’s still Sister Dusty, full of p*ss and vinagre, good for some literary allusions…
And supper? A muffalleta from Jason’s…mmmm, good…
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
7:20 pm
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:01 pm
Don’t forget
I miss Paul Harvey…
The world could use him now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYEFkYtANVg
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
7:20 pm
josef,
Good food, good wine and good times. I miss Dusty and @@ as well as Hillbilly.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
7:21 pm
OMG josef!!! i spit good tequila all over the screen when i read that!! YOU. ARE. SOOOOOOOO. BAD!!!!! your comment (it was great);was totally outta line!!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 31st, 2012
7:21 pm
Well, the womens rights people are here and tonight on NBC News they showed that Hillary Clinton meeting with the head of Saudi Arabia. They had a big square table arrangement with the King and his people on one side and Hillary and her people on the other. One table had a modesty panel so Hillary could hide her legs from the King. But would she set at it? Noooooooo! She set at a table without a panel so she could flash her legs at the King and all his people, while some guy nobody cares about set at the table with the modesty panel. No wonder we’re so hated around the world! I can’t hardly wait till John Bolton is Secretary of State and all our women diplomats are bundled up in robes and veils and all that stuff. Bunch of hussys!
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
7:24 pm
Redneck,
No comment on Hillary’s legs.
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:26 pm
DDR
That dinner was for Sweet Honey…don’t think the Bishop and Berenice would trust a meal of mine… and, ooohhh, girl that strap on…you jus bad, I say, baad…
JAY
I’m glad you didn’t take it the wrong way…
I guess it’s having grown up in the newsroom, but I’m always amazed at how both friend and foe put you on some kind of pedastle you never arrogated yourself and, while you DO have to be held to a higher standard having as you do the public podium at your disposal, you’re still a regular guy and heir to the same foibles and virtues as us all..and, as I often say, this is a fr*kken OPINION for the love of G-d, the Imam is just lucky enough to get paid for his!
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:35 pm
DEL
Get to check in with Hillbilly over to Kyle’s from time to time. If I could be more what I’d like to be, it would be him…
Don’t forget…
That Paul Harvey is one of the best things I’ve ever heard (read)… thanks for reminding me…
*****
Glad y’all liked the legend!
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
7:38 pm
ha! i think the good “bishop” as well as bernice will feel better when they stop living a lie.
i remember when i first started dating dudley i used to try and hide the fact that i was skiing the slopes so that my “friends” wouldn’t find out. dudley soon put a stop to that madness — and guess what? i felt better and more free when i stopped lieing and tipping around.
i’m sure the good “bishop” and bernice will feel more better and will probably loosen up; when they stop lieing to themselves and everyone else too.
Bud Wiser
March 31st, 2012
7:38 pm
Speaking of ethics, I see that Keith Olbermann was fired (again) from his latest gig on Al Gore’s CurrentTV network.
Even Gore (I invented the internet) apparently could not stomach the trash mouth degenerate crowd that KO represents.
KO says he is going to sue.
Yawn.
Another leftist tool bites the dirt. They’ll start disappearing like the carrier pigeons after the November elections.
Maybe KO can team up with that fat hag Rosie O’Donnell and start a cooking show.
Hahahahahahahahaha………..
Recon 0311 2533
March 31st, 2012
7:38 pm
Chow call…later y’all
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
7:40 pm
just like that — kentucky up by 10. man this is a good game.
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:41 pm
DDR
My life? Says it all,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiQshgKO6Co
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
7:45 pm
Bud, you’re so angry all the time. have you ever thought of other ways to dispose of some of that anger?
exercise?
yoga?
join a rock band?
sex?
dude you are wound wayyyy to tight….
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
7:48 pm
dang….anyone watching this game?! this is a great game folks!
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
7:57 pm
Debbie, great game. Louisville just keeps hangin around. That’s their only chance but if they can keep it close………… Kentucky hasn’t had to win a close one yet ( I think)
As for those who like to come in here with guns blazing, a lot of them just want to get everyone riled up as a kind of sophomoric thrill. Not sure which is which though.
josef
March 31st, 2012
7:59 pm
DDR
Yeah, Ole Bud do have issues…I’m gonna have to take him on a trip to the “sophisticated” world of the French speakers! I’d love to see him at a fais do do…
Say what? He decided Mardi Gras that I was being a snob because I was taking the opportunity to post in French in celebration of, well, at least some of “my people” courtesy Jay’s use of the language in his lead in… he accused me of google translation…heh, heh…even google wouldn’t make MY errors!
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
8:01 pm
man — everyone is so polite today………..what’s up?
usually this blog reminds me of a boxing match…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHqEUX2Vw6k
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
8:02 pm
Here’s some chillin music for ole Bud.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
8:09 pm
DF – this is one of the best games this year that i’ve seen!! did u see that slam Louisville made on KY? ths is WAR; this isn’t b-ball!!
there’ll be civiil war in ky tonight jack!!
josef – Bud just need a hug. and some prozac. and maybe a date. with a human. no more farm animals……..
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
8:11 pm
DebbieDoRight – Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
8:01 pm
man — everyone is so polite today………..what’s up?
usually this blog reminds me of a boxing match…
A little like the lady who was married to a drunk but didn’t realize it until he came home sober one night.
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
8:13 pm
“Even Gore (I invented the internet)”
Some lies just never die
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
8:15 pm
Louisville’s in trouble now. They put up a heck of a fight though.
josef
March 31st, 2012
8:15 pm
TAXI
I was thinking more this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a84va_q-cP0&feature=related
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2012
8:15 pm
“man — everyone is so polite today………..what’s up?”
Look around and see who ISN’T here.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
8:17 pm
Hmmm, still has a pulse.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
8:18 pm
dang louisville is like a junkyard dog — they refuse to give up and they refuse to back down. thi is great!!
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
8:20 pm
DF did you see that off balance one handed slam by Davis?? DAMN!! this game is the bomb! Highlite reels are gonna be full. i hope the 2nd game is like the firt
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
8:23 pm
i should’ve recorded this dang game!! KY won; but man Louisville didn’t back down and they weren’t intimidated. I’m ready for next year!
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
8:24 pm
Shoot, I saw several off balance one handed jams. Great game too bad someone had to lose.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
8:29 pm
DF — who do you got for the next one? Kansas or Ohio State. For various reasons, I’m going with Kansas. What about you?
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2012
8:29 pm
josef,
I never pictured Bud as a cajun. I figured with a name like Bud Wiser, he was more partial to green beer and that would make him Irish. Okay, that logic may be a little flawed though.
josef
March 31st, 2012
8:42 pm
TAXI
Believe me, I never pictured him as a Cajun either!
getalife
March 31st, 2012
8:48 pm
The knee jerk con reaction is to deflect blame for their corrupt party to blame the other corrupt party.
It is all they got so they surrendered on this blog.
bud worshiped w so he is still angry.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
March 31st, 2012
8:58 pm
One more thing. If I remember correctly, the Democrats controlled the state legislature from Reconstruction to a few years ago. Where is their ethics legislation? We can frame this mathematically. If everything the Republicans do wrong = “y”, then everything the Democrats do wrong = “100y + 1000″.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
9:01 pm
Debbie, I’m inclined to pick Kansas but that’s dangerous. They’ve come up short so many times. Bradley, over on the sports blog has sworn he’ll never pick to win it again, too many disappointments. They beat NC but NC didn’t have their starting point so that’s not that impressive. Guess I’ve talked myself into OSU. What a revoltin turn of events. J/K
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
9:09 pm
Sorry vast, the time machine is broken so I guess it’s up to the R’s to fix it. Doesn’t look like they realize that.
josef
March 31st, 2012
9:21 pm
Before we go off on a Dem-GOP thingie here, in relation to the topic, if you go back and look, the four who threw up the red flag were two dems and two GOPs…there is, after all, a point where the two “sides” are on the same track…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
9:21 pm
“This is an open forum. If I have any part of this wrong, if someone out there knows something I got wrong or misinterpreted or twisted into something that is untrue, they are free to post here and expose that mistake or even worse, that willful error.”
JAY:
Opinion is one thing but that said, I have been wrong (never willful and hopefully very rare) on posts of “fact”, etc. Usually, it is because I have just passed on information from another article without taking all the time to fully research it. And for those few times that were brought to my attention as to fact, I have apologized (i.e., the West Point graduation).
I very rarely see that kind of response/apology from anyone else on here.
Most of the posting is just pure drivel ….. “you’re an idiot, Obama rules, etc., etc”.
I stay on here because I enjoy actual debate with those who choose that route on both sides of an issue. Again, that is very rare.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
scout,
Posting drudgey is not debate silly.
godoggo
March 31st, 2012
9:35 pm
Wow……being a Representative here in Atlanta would be a Great parallel move that my Ex-wife should l@@k into………..misrepresentation, good at doubletalk, perjury and deceit, Oh…..and extorting assets……Sorry, that wasn’t mentioned….im sure he’s never done that : )
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
9:40 pm
getalife:
Posting “drudgery” is almost always an article from another journalism source (many times CBS, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc.)
You choose not to debate.
Just your little “quips”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
9:44 pm
School Yard Bullies !
http://www.mittromney.com/news/embedded/video/obama-isnt-working-labor
getalife
March 31st, 2012
9:46 pm
scout,
drudgey and drudgery.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
9:47 pm
Back to BANJO stuff !
http://www.youtube.com/user/sleepymanbanjoboys?v=J7MoWPTeYS4&feature=pyv&ad=19764705594&kw=bluegrass%20music
getalife
March 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
scout,
Please stop attacking the American workers .
Thanks.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
Union thugs.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
10:01 pm
getalife:
You don’t like:
MSNBC
CBS
Washington Post
New York Times
??
getalife
March 31st, 2012
10:03 pm
scout,
The American workers are not thugs.
Why do you mindlessly attack the American worker?
Oscar
March 31st, 2012
10:08 pm
There are union excesses. But the unions were formed to combat the excesses of the employers.
The ad however is biased and is a good reason not to vote for Romney, as if another reason was needed.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
10:10 pm
Scout,
I’m certainly not gonna defend the actions that were portrayed in that clip but the “struggle” between labor and management, for lack of a better term, has been going on for well over a hundred years and there have been abuses on both sides. That’s even more apparent when you consider non union shops. The problem I have with that ad is that it’s no more valid to link Obama to that specific case than it is to try to link a “pro business” republican (like Romney) to a company that illegally discharges cancer causing toxins into a river or stream or the air. No reasonable person, IMO can be “anti union” or “anti business” because it simply paints too broad a brush and ignores the positive contributions that responsible unions and business’s have made. Would it be fair to say Romney supports exploding oil rigs and dead oil rig workers as well as massive environmental damage because he supports oil exploration?
getalife
March 31st, 2012
10:11 pm
Funny how willard’s website is just like our President’s.
David Green
March 31st, 2012
10:16 pm
Jay wrote: They DON’T get paid enough. That is absolutely true.
_______________________
In my view they {georgia legislators} are paid too much!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
10:17 pm
getalife:
Most American workers are good, honest, hardworking folks. Many would rather not be in a union but have little choice.
Many union workers (especially the “enforcers”) are thugs. I have been a member of a union like that and I know. Pretty disgusting !
Rule by intimidation.
.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
10:22 pm
scout,
Unions are organized labor that built this country.
You fight for the corporations that do not need your help.They won. You can stop carrying their water.
It does not make sense scout.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
Oscar and Don’t Forget:
Political advertising aside (I can come up with ridiculous ones from the liberal side), there was a time in our country when unions were needed. My dad was a non-union coal miner and he knew that.
However, today there are countless federal and state laws, regulations, civil avenues that ensure workers rights almost to the point where you can’t fire anybody no matter how bad they are.
Too much union thuggery today. I saw it firsthand.
David Green
March 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
Actions speak louder then words.
The political corruption running rampant underneath the gold dome all too often promoted by those who call themselves “Conservative Christians.” Just goes to show how corrupt the sociopathic ideology of conservatism is and the religion of Christianity has become in this day and age.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
10:29 pm
“Just goes to show how corrupt the sociopathic ideology of conservatism is and the religion of Christianity has become in this day and age.”
To quote scout, it is disgusting.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
10:42 pm
Where is that honest debate scout?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
10:52 pm
scout: Usually, it is because I have just passed on information from another article without taking all the time to fully research it.
well duh! we all knew THAT!
And for those few times
hahahahhahaha scout made a “funny”
DF – you picked THE Ohio State? Eeeewwww i HATE the pretentious sissy boys! i hope they get stomped………so far Kansas has been doing that after a disastrous first half
getalife
March 31st, 2012
10:59 pm
Lets put that honest debate lie to rest scout.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 31st, 2012
11:03 pm
DebbieDoRight – Doing The Right Thing:
He (or she) who is without an incorrect post cast the first stone.
Good grief …………… polite debate never hurt anyone.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
11:07 pm
Debbie, I didn’t say I WANTED osu, I just said I thought they would win and added it was a “revoltin” set of circumstances. I don’t see either team beating Kentucky.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:10 pm
Now it is polite debate.
Move those goal posts scout.
Forget the honest debate.
Too funny.
td
March 31st, 2012
11:13 pm
I have been in two unions in my life and can tell you first hand that they are nothing more then group think devises that do nothing but make the workers look stupid. Example: I was in the union working at Lockheed. I went to a union meeting on a Saturday in October of 1984. The union President was telling all the workers that they had to go and vote for Mondale for President. Mondale had just made the statement that he would drastically cut military spending including the program that employed all the workers. yes, let us go out and vote against our own jobs to protect the union. Pure stupidity.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:15 pm
td,
When you voted for w, you voted to lose millions of jobs.
td
March 31st, 2012
11:20 pm
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:15 pm
Which time? Can you honestly say that (I invented the internet) Gore or (I am a kept man) Kerry would have been a better choice? I thought Bush was an establishment Republican and not a great Presidential choice but Lord he was 1000 times better then either of the Dems choices. The same goes with Romney this year. Not the best choice but 1000 times better then the current occupier of the office.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
11:21 pm
kansas vs. kentucky!!!
td
March 31st, 2012
11:23 pm
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:15 pm
BTW: My business is not tied in any manner to the housing industry and did very well during the Bush years and those tax cuts sure helped the bottom line and allowed me to hire 10 additional workers during his time in office.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:24 pm
td,
1000 times better?
No, willard would hire the same incompetent gop that collapsed our economy and said they never saw it coming.
Do you know the definition of insanity td.
Lets keep our President instead of your insanity because he is not destroying our country like the gop did last time.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:25 pm
Debbie,
I think it is Kentucky’s year.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:29 pm
td,
What about after the collapse?
Did you fire those 10 workers?
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
11:30 pm
Debbie, I’ll be rooting for Kansas but predicting Kentucky.
td
March 31st, 2012
11:32 pm
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:24 pm
Insanity really, lets talk about the Obama budget that was sent to the US House of Reps and defeated 414-0. Not even one Democrat would for for his insane budget. And this is the same person you want to run the country for four more years.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
11:33 pm
td – i truly believe that a 3 legged mule would’ve been better as president than Dubya. for the following reasons:
1. gore would’ve continued the “pay as you go” system that was in place and was steadily trimming down the us debt.
2. gore would not have wiped out a surplus his first year in office as dubya did.
3. gore would’ve listened to advisors and 9/11 could’ve been averted; thus saving american lives, billions of dollars (afghanistan) and even more billion by not invading iraq in a false moment of bravado.
4. as for kerry – kerry was already rich, married well, and didn’t need to cater to special interest for donations.
getalife – yep. the SEC is BAD 2 The Bone this year huh!!!?? it seems like every college championship has to come through the SEC.
Don't Forget
March 31st, 2012
11:34 pm
Td – a bubble raises all boats and a crash sinks them all. I don’t blame W for all that happened but the bottom line is that Americans lost 16.4 trillion in the wall street and housing market collapse. You can regulate the markets and have stability like we had for 80 years or you can have boom and bust cycles. I choose market stability.
getalife
March 31st, 2012
11:35 pm
“And this is the same person you want to run the country for four more years.”
Yes.
After passing w’s budgets that gave us our huge deficit, corrupt congress will not pass anymore Presidential budgets.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
11:36 pm
DF – good choice!!
td
March 31st, 2012
11:41 pm
DebbieDoRight – Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
11:33 pm
Points one and two is your speculation and I will just politely say I will disagree with you assessment.
3: Gore was sitting in the room for at least 4 years when the CIA and the military warned about Osama and yet he did nothing as the VP. I can not see him changing his mind if he had won.
4: You could say the same thing about Romney now, could you not?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
11:47 pm
td – you forget that, until cheney, the VP did not have any power. gore could not have “done anything” his role was mostly ceremonial, per se. we don’t even know if clinton even advised him on anything as obama does with biden and dubya did with cheney.
as for #4……………..you ARE kidding right?
td
March 31st, 2012
11:49 pm
Don’t Forget
March 31st, 2012
11:34 pm
You seem to forget about the 2006 testimony in front of Dodd and Franks committees when Bush sent the Treasury Secretary to warn about the housing bubble and ask for changes in the Clinton law. Is it not true that the Dems came out and said something to the point that all Bush wanted to do was to take housing away from the poor?
td
March 31st, 2012
11:52 pm
DebbieDoRight – Doing The Right Thing
March 31st, 2012
11:47 pm
“4. as for kerry – kerry was already rich, married well, and didn’t need to cater to special interest for donations.”
Your statement not mine. I am just pointing out that if your statement was true about Kerry then it has to be even truer about Romney since he is richer then Kerry.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
12:00 am
Romney caters to everyone!! When in the south, he dons a drawl and talks of eating grits! he caters to the tea party, he caters to the cubans, he caters to the gun lobby………… i mean who doesn’t the man cater to?
if he really liked mcdonald’s but was campaigning at burger king, he’d cater to the bk crowd for votes!!
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
12:05 am
td do you have a link for that? The changes that Clinton made was repeal of Glass Steagall, a mistake IMO. Did Bush wish to reinstate? I don’t think he did. I do know that Bush had initiatives to increase home ownerships that included extension of CRA loan criteria to people who weren’t low income which opened the door to the so called “liars loans” and increased speculaton/flip this house types.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
12:11 am
td regarding your post at 11:49 – poor people buying houses did not cause the housing implosion.
investment bankers playing chicken with the market did.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
12:14 am
allright, i’m out. have a good night, ya’ll……..i may eat some grits in the morning.
that was my ode to romney……..
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
12:16 am
If the housing market had recovered but the stock market was sitting at 8000 I’d consider Romney. But that’s not the case. Wall street is doing fine even if their feelings are hurt. Well, it’s not hurt feelings that are the problem and I don’t think Romney could do any better than Obama has. And I’d really rather not go through another first term learning curve with Romney on all the other issues a president has to deal with.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
12:18 am
Make sure you put some cheese in those grits Debbie!
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
12:46 am
Don’t like cheese in my grits. Just messes up good grits and good cheese.
Doesn't matter
April 1st, 2012
1:47 am
Jay is probably not reading this by now, but I read another ethics article in the paper earlier this year written by him. Who again is the Rules Committee chairman in the GA House? That’s really not a hard fact to get right.
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April 1st, 2012
6:19 am
You’re right, Doesn’t. That was a pretty dumb error on my part. At the time, the House website listed the information incorrectly, but I still should have known better.
ken
April 1st, 2012
7:35 am
And the Supreme Court ruled against the EPA !!!! Bout time.
ken
April 1st, 2012
7:40 am
Jay, up so early ! I am getting totally turned off by all politics in our once great country. It is not the country I grew up in. It makes me not even want to look at the news. Have a great dy Jay.
Black Mormons
April 1st, 2012
7:41 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFP6VUGwmAg
JamVet
April 1st, 2012
7:58 am
Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk.
What a great game.
One more to go.
carlosgvv
April 1st, 2012
8:19 am
“you can’t fire anybody no matter how bad they are”
I was an American worker for many years. I worked for a number of corporations and was, without execption, always given a very generous amount of work and a very stingy amount of pay. My bosses always made it clear they would fire me in a second if I didn’t work like a dog each and every day. And, in some of those jobs, they did. Where is this wonderful country where “you can’t fire anybody no matter how bad they are”? It’s certainly not the country I worked in.
Normal, plain and simple
April 1st, 2012
8:25 am
JamVet…Kentucky by 7, and the national champs…GO BIG BLUE!!!
Early Black Mormons
April 1st, 2012
8:31 am
The Untold Story of Black Mormons
AU Liberal in ATL
April 1st, 2012
8:32 am
Using the words ethics and Georgia legislature in the same sentence seems a bit ridiculous to me. Extend that to include every republican in the US Senate…maybe exclude the two Senators from Maine.
JamVet
April 1st, 2012
8:56 am
Normal, you may be right. On paper UK is better, but KU has shown time and again that they can stage furious rallies to beat better teams (ask Memphis a few years ago in the title game!). By playing fundamental Kansas bball – great defense, great passing and a great transition game.
I see that Ky. is 6.5 point fave. But that’s why they play them buddy!
Two storied programs – should be big fun…
These working class Republicans that blame union thugs are self-destructive water carriers (hat tip getalife) for the plutocrats in BIG business – who have CRUSHED working class wages – THEIR wages.
Yet they STILL kiss those monied asses.
How moronic is that???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIbp5C-5WXM
n
April 1st, 2012
9:43 am
Thanks Jay. These men have no shame and think we are all dolts. Even after all the bad national publicity about Georgia’s lax ethics enforcement, they doubled down on their efforts to make us look even worse. Unbelievable.
It’s a miracle that any reputable company would want to move it’s workforce to a state which has become a leader in perceived corruption, amoral leadership, bank failures, unemployment, foreclosures, bad schools, environmental pillage and cultural bankruptcy.
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
9:59 am
Dang those AJC reporters and freshmen legislators! It’s gittin’ so’s we cain’t hardly have our Good Ol’ Boys club no more! What’s the World a’comin’ to?
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
10:12 am
This could be HUGE!!!!!!!!
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-audio-screams-were-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
10:21 am
Jay
Did you actually write this piece without bursting into fits of laughter? Ethics and GA’s legislature??? In the same thought??? When the Georgia Assembly finally decides to operate with a semblance of ethics, we’ll probably be traveling by teleporting or something. Ethics is a joke in this state, and it will remain that way as long as you have ideologically driven voters. When the voting population decides to become ethically driven, then things will change. Until people quit falling for ideology over substance, nothing will change.
Case in point….
http://www.ajc.com/business/ga-cold-toward-solar-1403450.html?cxtype=rss_news_61499
Anthony Deljou considered adding solar panels to his home and 70,000-square foot art gallery in Atlanta’s West End neighborhood to cater to some of the business’ environmentally conscious clients.
He considered it, that is, until he saw the price tag. The panels for his house alone would cost $30,000, but over 10 years he could recoup that money through lower electricity bills.
“It’s cost-prohibitive even if you really want to do it,” Deljou said.
Deljou would have financing options — if he lived in another state. But in Georgia, an arcane law prevents consumers who want solar panels from getting the type of financing available to residents and businessowners elsewhere.
In other states, Deljou could get the panels from a private solar company, who would get a bank to finance the upfront costs. The private solar company would own the panels and sell the electricity to Deljou at a price that’s locked in for 15 to 30 years.
But in Georgia, the state’s dominant electricity provider, Georgia Power, and the state’s electrical membership cooperatives argue such an arrangement means the solar panel companies would be illegally operating as a utility. The electricity providers are using their influence with state regulators and lawmakers to make sure they share the same view in interpreting the 1973 law regulating the sale of electricity.
The government’s enforcing a law that’s been on the books since ‘73. Thirty-eight years of bending the citizens over for the pleasure of the power companies without fail. It’s not a partisan thing either as both parties have had ample time to address that. Seems that, instead of letting the market set itself, our corporations insist on government interference to allow their monopolies to exist. You would think that the captains of “Free Market Principles” that are currently in charge of the state would address such a squashing of the free market. As long as their pockets are being filled by Ga Power, don’t expect anything to change.
Buncha jackasses…..
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
10:25 am
For those that challenge the idea of government interference in the free market…
From the same link: “So our revenues go down, and our fixed costs remain the same,” said Kyle Leach, Georgia Power’s resource policy and planning director, referencing the billions of dollars the company has invested in infrastructure. Leach said that would lead to the company not being able to cover its costs. Per PSC approval, Georgia Power would have to raise rates to cover those costs and also meet its profits, set at 11.25 percent.
Why should a private company’s PROFITS be etched in stone by legislation? Doesn’t sound like the market taking care of itself, unless the market is bought and paid for by lobbyists.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
10:36 am
Seems like anti trust laws that are designed to prevent monopolistic behavior are bypassed by putting monopoistic practices into law Bro.
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
11:32 am
Don’t Forget
It all goes back to the ethics debate though. As long as the people continue to approve of the actions by re-electing the same people committing these acts, nothing will improve.
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
11:45 am
“Seems like anti trust laws that are designed to prevent monopolistic behavior are bypassed by putting monopoistic practices into law Bro”
Anti-monopoly laws pretty much don’t apply to regulated utilities. Until recently things like the phone system and electric systems were considered “natural” monopolies, because people just couldn’t conceive of any way to have true market competition.
Ever seen those old photos from the ’20’s and before of utility poles with literlly dozens of wires on them? Those were from the days before regulation and each power company and phone company had to run their own lines, because there was just no way to share them. As big companies began to emerge and buy up the smaller ones, effiencies and econmies actually came INTO the system…until those companies got SO big they began to take advantage of their size and power.
And that led to things like GA’s Public Service Commision and laws that guaranteed a rate of profile for those companies. In exchange for being pretty heavily regulated, they were promised a specific rate of profit.
Problem is, of course, that as soon as those companies could they started influencing the decisions of those commissions, and influencing the laws passed that regulated them.
carlosgvv
April 1st, 2012
11:53 am
Brosephus – 11:32
This is the heart of the matter. When these elected officials openly show such contempt for the people, why do they continue to be re-elected? Is it the result of political propaganda and brainwashing? Are the voters just plaim dumb? I am at a total loss to understand this. What’s to be done?
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
12:08 pm
“I am at a total loss to understand this”
Really? It’s not that difficult. Just think back over the last few weeks how many times someone posted here that “????? would be better than Obama” It’s THAT mindset. No objective evaluation. Just “your guy is so bad that I’ll vote for ANYONE who isn’t him” Same thing.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
12:10 pm
Sounds like the legislature was giving the finger to Jay (and other reform advocates)
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 1st, 2012
12:17 pm
Well, the Rev. Postlewaite was on his game this morning and I now feel revved up and ready to go out there and raise Cain another week. The Free Market and the Devil take the hindmost—what a great country! Unless, that is, you’re the hindmost.
I see the libruls are on here blasting GA Power. Well, I happen to be a GA Power owner. It says so right on my power bill. They take a amount out of my payment and invest it in the co. I guess they’ll let me know someday how much of the co. I own.
Anyhow, it’s Ryans for me and the missus today. She’s been moping around all day talking about how hungry she is and how she’s down to 362 lbs. I mention it only to warn the rest of you to stay away from Ryans unless you want to be missing a finger or two if you happen to get between the missus and her chow.
Have a good Sabbath everybody.
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
1:00 pm
Are the voters just plaim dumb?
I think it’s more lazy than dumb. Just as Doggone stated, there’s no evaluation of the person people vote for, there’s only evaluation of the one they don’t vote for. Add the fact that people accept gerrymandering as though it’s the way things are supposed to be, and it practically sets the system up for failure. When the politician has no viable opposition, there is a loss in the checks and balances built into the system. If each voting district were made up to be 50/50, then the elected official would have to represent everyone equally and not just one political ideology.
Where's Al Sharpton and the protests? [crickets]
April 1st, 2012
1:02 pm
7 California boys arrested in attack on teen
By Associated Press March 30, 2012
PALMDALE, Calif. (AP) – Seven black teens have been arrested on suspicion that they committed a hate crime when they attacked a 15-year-old Hispanic boy while he was walking home from school in Southern California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office.
The March 14 beating in Palmdale was captured on video and posted on YouTube, but has since been removed from the site. The seven boys, ages 13 to 16, were arrested Wednesday for investigation of assault and committing a hate crime, Lt. Don Ford said.
The attack happened near Cactus Middle School, but Ford didn’t know if any of the teens involved were students there.
The video shows as many as 10 boys surrounding the victim and challenging him to a fight. The suspects then began hitting the teen while others watched.
During the beating, the teens made racially derogatory statements that were captured on the video, Ford said…
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
1:11 pm
Bro ” there’s no evaluation of the person people vote for, there’s only evaluation of the one they don’t vote for”
I don’t even think there’s that. I think there’s no evaluation of whom they vote for, because they just assume the “other” guy will be worse. No evaluation on EITHER candidate.
Wade Hampton
April 1st, 2012
1:12 pm
It is quite entertaining hearing an employee of the state..
make fun of the state.
Wade Hampton
April 1st, 2012
1:13 pm
“How would you have reacted in 2008 if any Republican ran promising to do the following?”
(1) Codify indefinite detention into law;
(2) draw up a secret kill list of people, including American citizens, to assassinate without due process;
(3) proceed with warrantless spying on American citizens;
(4) prosecute Bush-era whistleblowers for violating state secrets;
(5) reinterpret the War Powers Resolution such that entering a war of choice without a Congressional declaration is permissible;
(6) enter and prosecute such a war;
(7) institutionalize naked scanners and intrusive full body pat-downs in major American airports;
(8) oversee a planned expansion of TSA so that its agents are already beginning to patrol American highways, train stations, and bus depots;
(9) wage an undeclared drone war on numerous Muslim countries that delegates to the CIA the final call about some strikes that put civilians in jeopardy;
(10) invoke the state-secrets privilege to dismiss lawsuits brought by civil-liberties organizations on dubious technicalities rather than litigating them on the merits;
(11) preside over federal raids on medical marijuana dispensaries;
(12) attempt to negotiate an extension of American troops in Iraq beyond 2011 (an effort that thankfully failed);
(13) reauthorize the Patriot Act;
(14) and select an economic team mostly made up of former and future financial executives from Wall Street firms that played major roles in the financial crisis.
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
1:14 pm
Doggone
You have a point!!
Wade Hampton
April 1st, 2012
1:15 pm
Remember………if you see something…..
say something.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:20 pm
‘I think there’s no evaluation of whom they vote for, because they just assume the “other” guy will be worse.”
Well, those who paid attention to the last time gop had power , know the gop have not changed and will be another disaster just waiting to happen.
td
April 1st, 2012
1:22 pm
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
1:00 pm
Are the voters just plaim dumb?
I think it’s more lazy than dumb. Just as Doggone stated, there’s no evaluation of the person people vote for, there’s only evaluation of the one they don’t vote for. Add the fact that people accept gerrymandering as though it’s the way things are supposed to be, and it practically sets the system up for failure. When the politician has no viable opposition, there is a loss in the checks and balances built into the system. If each voting district were made up to be 50/50,
How can the districts be made up of 50/50 voters when by every piece of polling data that conservatives are around 40% of the population and Liberals are around 20%?
td
April 1st, 2012
1:24 pm
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:20 pm
The GOP has never had what Obama had from 2008 to 2010. Let us give the GOP a 60 vote majority in the Senate and a 40 seat advantage in the house with a conservative President for two years and see what happens.
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
1:26 pm
“How can the districts be made up of 50/50 voters when by every piece of polling data that conservatives are around 40% of the population and Liberals are around 20%?”
I have thought for a LONG time that districts ought to be computer generated to have as nearly equal a number of voters as it’s possible to get, with no consideration for the “breakdown” of voting patterns. Take the state and grid it, east/west and north/south and then adjust the lines to equalize the number of voters. Keep politics out of it.
/drive by – got some running around to do!
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
1:26 pm
How can the districts be made up of 50/50 voters when by every piece of polling data that conservatives are around 40% of the population and Liberals are around 20%?
That’s simple. Many choose not to answer poll questions honestly enough. The numbers would probably be reversed if the Democratic Party held all offices and the majority of elected positions. Seems they have no problem with creating majority districts that secure their seats. All they would need to do is dilute them more than they strengthen them. As long as nobody calls them on it, they don’t have to do it.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:27 pm
td,
w had a gop rubber stamp congress.
I guess you failed to pay attention.
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
1:28 pm
Doggone
That sounds like the idea right there…
Wade Hampton
April 1st, 2012
1:29 pm
April 1, 2012————
The biggest problem with “free” markets is the stupidity of the common people. How can they possibly know what they want, or what they want to achieve when they have not attended prestigious universities like Oxford, Harvard, or Yale? Without help from central planners working with fact-based information derived from simulations, mathematical models, and empirical studies the common people will never be able to make informed economic choices. Thanks to the genius of central planning for the common good — as well as the hard work and self-sacrifice of central planners — the common people are liberated from making difficult economic decisions. They can concentrate on what they are qualified to decide — what to have for lunch (so long as its contents have been approved by central planners for consumption), what to name their children (so long as it comes from a list of names pre-approved by central planners), or what to watch on television (so long as the transmission has been approved by government censors).
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Paul Krugman and Bookman are economic genius,Kyle Wingfeild and Mitt romney are small government conservatives, Barry Hussein Obama is concerned about poor Americans, we live in a representative Republic, The Democrats are different than the Republicans, and we live in the land of the Free………………and Wade Hampton approves of this message.
td
April 1st, 2012
1:30 pm
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
1:26 pm
If every state would do what you suggest then I would agree with you. I unfortunately, do not think the VRA would allow such a system in the south.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
1:31 pm
Same tired old arguments, debunked dozens of times, posted over and over by those too dishonest or willfully ignorant to acknowledge,
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:33 pm
Looks like ryan called our military liars and had to apologize.
Don’t mess with the greatest socialism on the planet cons.
Wade Hampton
April 1st, 2012
1:33 pm
And shoveling more money to Washington in the form of higher taxes will save us alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
td
April 1st, 2012
1:34 pm
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:27 pm
td,
w had a gop rubber stamp congress.
I guess you failed to pay attention.
You are dreaming my friend. Do you not remember all the filibusters in the Senate during the Bush term and in 2004 the Senate was in control of the DEM and in 2006 the House went to the Dems.
Obama is the only President since FDR that has had super majorities and could pass any legislation he wanted passed. What did he do with this power? Passed an unconstitutional bill to force every American to purchase a product from a private corporation.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:35 pm
td,
Your party has the filibuster record.
Own it .
Jay
April 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
So Sharpton, what are you trying to say by posting that news story? Is there some larger message that the rest of us are supposed to take from it?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
td: The GOP has never had what Obama had from 2008 to 2010. Let us give the GOP a 60 vote majority in the Senate and a 40 seat advantage in the house with a conservative President for two years and see what happens
td – dubya had a republican controlled house, senate AND a majority on the supreme court for 4 years (or was it six — gotta look it up); the dems took back the house in 2006 yet the senate was still repuglican controlled as well as the presidency.
for you to so conveniently forget these easily googled facts is not only astounding, but totally laughable. oh and the court still leans so far to the right that it’s about to tip over.
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
Is there some larger message that the rest of us are supposed to take from it?
Yes…..
Don’t do drugs.
td
April 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
DebbieDoRight – Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
When has the Senate had 60 votes? For the record the Dems had control of the Senate in 2001 and 2002. The republicans took control in 2003 and 04 with 51 Senators and had control with 05 and 06 with 55.
You have to have 60 votes in the Senate to pass any legislation beside budget.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
1:54 pm
Passed an unconstitutional bill to force every American to purchase a product from a private corporation
you know i see this a lot on here. quick question, which area of the constitution has Obama violated?
sorry about the bad wording i have two things working against me here, my allergies are kicking in big time and i have on false nails, (vanity thy name is woman). between the two typing is a chore. so shorthand is the word for today.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:55 pm
“You have to have 60 votes in the Senate to pass any legislation beside budget.”
Do you understand the filibuster rule?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
2:01 pm
I didn’t say they had 60; i said the republicans had the MAJORITY during the dubya years. MAJORITY means MORE
td
April 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
getalife
April 1st, 2012
1:55 pm
I do indeed. Since you think I am misinterpreting it then please tell me where I am wrong?
getalife
April 1st, 2012
2:04 pm
td,
Try watching C-Span 2 and you might know what you are talking about.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
Well, I guess we won’t be seeing many more of those TaxMasters ads on TV and that fat guy with the beard telling people he can get them off the hook with the IRS for just a teeny fraction of the bill. A Texas jury hit the co. with a $195 million fine and the fat guy has to pay $42 million of that from his own pocket.
It all goes to show you shouldn’t hire cos. like that, and if you learn how to cheat right, you won’t have to.
It’s off to Ryans for me and mine. Have a good Sabbath everybody.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
2:09 pm
also td you don’t need 60 votes you need a majority:
Both Houses need over 50% of either house to pass a bill on to the President.
For an ordinary bill to pass each chamber or house of the US congress, it needs a simple majority of yea votes which would be 50% + 1 vote
getalife
April 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
They need 60 to stop the debate and vote.
The gop abused the filibuster rule so cons think the 60 is the norm.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
2:29 pm
Talking about lack of ethics:
Headline: “NBC to do ‘internal investigation’ on Zimmerman segment”
1) “As exposed by Fox News and media watchdog site NewsBusters, the “Today” segment took this approach to a key part of the dispatcher call:
Zimmerman: ‘This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.’
2) “Here’s how the actual conversation went down:
Zimmerman: ‘This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.’ “
getalife
April 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
911 operator: “You do not need to do that”
Telling zimmerman to not follow him.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
3:13 pm
Zim is dead meat.
FBI will get him.
No fed stand your
ground.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
3:25 pm
I don’t watch Today but every report I saw included the entire text, usually with the recording playing in the back. If Today did that they were wrong but they are in the minority of news outlets in that regard.
JamVet
April 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
What in the wide wide world of sports is the point of that 2:29? Some people are just flat out weird.
I think that most of our cons here “are on drugs or something”…
Jm
April 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Frog how’s you’re friend getalife?
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
3:41 pm
REAGAN SOLICITOR GENERAL APPALLED AT CONSERVATIVE BLOC OF SUPREME COURT
Reagan Solicitor General Charles Fried was scaldingly critical of the willingness of the conservative bloc of Supreme Court justices to traffic in some of the most well-worn Tea Party tropes about Obamacare.
“I was appalled to see that at least a couple of them were repeating the most tendentious of the Tea Party type arguments,” Fried said. “I even heard about broccoli. The whole broccoli argument is beneath contempt. To hear it come from the bench was depressing.”
td
April 1st, 2012
3:47 pm
Don’t Forget
April 1st, 2012
3:41 pm
Yes we are starting to turn the corner (at least in the SCOTUS) to get back to the original intent of the Constitution. Federalism and states rights with a restricted Federal government.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
con sc activism.
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
“Yes we are starting to turn the corner”
Just remember: if you keep turning in the same direction, you just end up where you started.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
5-4.
The bill will pass.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
td, you seem to have a real problem with reading comprehension.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
getalife,
are you o.k.?
Jm is worried about you.
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
Yes we are starting to turn the corner (at least in the SCOTUS) to get back to the original intent of the Constitution
Kinda hard to do with all those amendments and stuff, ain’t it? I’m not going back to being 3/5 of a person. Not without one hell of a fight.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
frog,
I am fine.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
getalife,
good.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
4:15 pm
Jm,
getalife is fine.
josef
April 1st, 2012
5:02 pm
knock knock…anybody home?
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
If Republicans want their “original” constitution, they better get busy on that time travel machine. But wait, they don’t believe in science. So they best have a whole lotta faith in one of their fairy tales that they live by. Click them heels together. Three times. NO! I SAID THREE TIMES! Too late now. You done messed up the magic. Now you gotta wait for Toto.
pogo
April 1st, 2012
5:10 pm
Something is seriously wrong with the way the press has handled the Zimmerman case. They have repeatedely called Zimmerman a “white-hispanic” . I mean if the press holds to that description, shouldn’t they be calling Obama a “White African American”?
Did anyone read about the killings in Chicago this weekend? They happened in that Representative’s district who wore the hoodie into Congress in a display of protest about Trayvon. A black person identified as the murderer. The lberals, the liberal Politicians and charlatans such as Jesse and Sharpton have done nothing about black on black which is and has been rampant in this country for many years. I guess murder is OK with the black community as long the murderer is not of another race, right? Why aren’t Sharpton and Jesse marching in Chicago right now?
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
NEW GRADUATES SEE AN IMPROVING JOB MARKET
Hiring is back in a big way on many college campuses, one of several signs a recovery in the U.S. jobs market is gaining traction. After four years during which many students graduated to find no job and had only their loans to show for their studies, most college campuses are teeming with companies eager to hire.
Companies such as General Electric, Amazon, Apple and Barclays Global are looking for new staff, even if some firms remain below the pre-recession levels of new hiring. In another sign of the recovery, some first-time job seekers are receiving multiple offers.
Career experts at a dozen of U.S. schools said they have seen an increase of 15 to 30 percent in the number of companies attending campus career fairs. At University of Florida, the fall career fair garnered 15 percent more companies in attendance than in 2010.
The increase in demand was so significant that it was the first time in years the school had to use both the first and second floors of the school’s basketball facility for interviews.
“It’s kind of like a no-brainer,” says Kathy Sims. Director of Career Services at UCLA. “The economy is better and the college recruitment market is improving.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
5:20 pm
pogo:
Exactly
barking frog:
For the FBI to have a case they have to have a civil rights violation. That will be very difficult due to the black friends Zimmerman has and the charity work he did for those black children.
Ultimately it’s the jury’s decision …….. not mine, yours, the press OR the FBI thankgoodness.
josef
April 1st, 2012
5:23 pm
Don’t Forget
In a way, that’s better news than it might appear. Folks went into their bunkers following the crisis and the 24/7 constant harping on the worst aspects of what was going on didn’t exactly encourage them to poke their noses out and to realize that it wasn’t the Apocalypse and end of civilization as we know it. I didn’t expect it to “recover” so soon, so I’m pleasantly surprised to see we’re getting out and about and back to business…
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
5:24 pm
“Did anyone read about the killings in Chicago this weekend?”
“A black person identified as the murderer. ”
See…the emphasis on Trayvon Martin IS doing some good. How often before this did you pay attention to killings within the black community?
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
josef, agreed and those recent grad will have plenty of needs (furniture and other household goods as well as clothing, travel and restaurants) to spend that new income on and will add a little optimism. Economies are all about momentum.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
Scout,
when someone shoots
you they violate your
civil rights.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
I’m surprised that more isn’t being made of the voice analysis that says the yells for help on the 911 tapes AREN’t from Zimmerman.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
I guess murder is OK with the black community as long the murderer is not of another race, right? Why aren’t Sharpton and Jesse marching in Chicago right now?
Sometimes, I really wish y’all would keep the ignorant rants to yourself. Instead of acting like you really give a damn about the Black, with a capital B, community, why don’t you go educate yourself. Contrary to your limited operating brains, neither Jesse Jackson nor Al Sharpton speak for all Black Americans. Quit ranting about sh*t you don’t really care about, and concern yourself with whatever in the hell you really do care about.
If any of you supposedly concerned people were honestly concerned, you’d realize that there are numerous organizations in the Black community, targeting the Black community, and staffed by the Black community to address issues in that part of our society. Once you realize your corporate owned, sensationalism driven media don’t give a damn about the Black community too, you’ll realize that there are people trying to make a difference without the need for media attention and/or pats on the back from White America.
http://ceasefirechicago.org/
CeaseFire launched in West Garfield Park, one of the most violent communities in Chicago in 2000 and was quick to produce results reducing shootings by 67% in its first year. CeaseFire’s results have since been replicated more than 18 times in Chicago and throughout Illinois and has now been shown effective by an extensive, U.S. Department of Justice funded, independent three-year evaluation. This evaluation demonstrated CeaseFire’s success in reducing shootings and killings. The Model has been replicated more than a dozen times nationally and has two international sites in Iraq.
And part of that group actually put out a documentary last year. Since it wasn’t something sensational or full of comedians, the media didn’t bother to make note that it existed beyond the usual movie review article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Interrupters
The Interrupters is a 2011 documentary film, produced by Kartemquin Films, that tells the story of three violence interrupters who try to protect their Chicago communities from the violence they once employed. It examines a year in which Chicago drew national headlines for violence and murder that plagued the city.
The film features the work of CeaseFire, an initiative of the Chicago Project for Violence Prevention. In 2004, Tio Hardiman (Director of CeaseFire Illinois) created and implemented The Violence Interrupter concept. Violence interrupters Ameena Matthews, Cobe Williams and Eddie Bocanegra look back on their past experiences with street violence to try and steer young men and women in the right direction.[1] Matthews, the daughter of former Chicago gang leader Jeff Fort, comes to the aid of the mother of Derrion Albert, a Chicago High School student whose death made national headlines when it was captured on videotape.
Step outside your comfortable little worlds sometime, and you’ll realize that your “knowledge” on the Black community don’t really amount to much of anything at all.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
Which part of we are back did you not understand?.
No more doom and gloom.
Now get back to work Americans,
We need the revenue preferably in the green energy sector.
.
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
Don’t Forget – you aren’t going to either. Anything that seems to absolve him will be trumpeted by “hundreds” but anything that doesn’t…crickets.
josef
April 1st, 2012
5:44 pm
Don’t Forget
The good thing about optimism is that it’s as contagious as pessimism and a lot more productive! Of course, I’m an incurable optimist!
They BOTH suck
April 1st, 2012
5:51 pm
Bro
It is amazing that a percentage of the very people that will claim the media is biased for this, biased for that, etc will take info from those exact media sources when it fits their ideology and run with it like it was the Gospel………
And as you know some people like to only know whatever their preconceived notions are and will gravitate to “media sources” that will sing to the choir………. Wouldn’t want to challenge themselves by seeking out other information that could contradict and even negate a long held belief………..
josef
April 1st, 2012
5:51 pm
Brosephus
I urge you in all sincerity to keep fighting it, but it’s pretty much a lost cause. Liberals and conservatives alike insist that they “know” the black community and what’s best for it. Step outside of their little boxes and, well, you’re no longer “really” black…
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
5:54 pm
“Liberals and conservatives alike insist that they “know” the black community and what’s best for it”
I think “bigots” would be a better choice than “liberals and conservatives.” That attitude transcends either of those. It is a form of bigotry and can infect anyone, regardless.
josef
April 1st, 2012
5:56 pm
Don’t Forget
Unmentionable was laughing at me the other day when I was spluttering about a poster who got bent out of shape when one of our more illiterate know-it-alls took a swipe at my use of the word bias: “Look, Silly Boy, if it’s yours, it’s an opinion; if it’s theirs, it’s a bias.”
Jay
April 1st, 2012
5:56 pm
Pogo, don’t be so transparent.
The issue with the Trayvon case — the fact that elevated it to prominence and distinguished it from the type of case that you cite — was the failure of officials to arrest or seriously investigate a grown man who, however it played out, ended up shooting and killing an innocent young black kid who was “suspected” for no apparent reason other than his race.
In contrast, in the case that you cite, a suspect was apparently arrested; the officials did their job.
And in the case cited earlier of a mass beating, seven suspects were arrested. Again, justice will be done.
But again, in the case of Trayvon Martin, no arrest and an investigation that had pretty much been abandoned until public attention grew.
josef
April 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Doggone
At one level I would agree with that, but I think bigot may be too harsh a word because so often it is done with all good intentions and no malice aforethought…aforethought being the operative word…
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
6:04 pm
“At one level I would agree with that, but I think bigot may be too harsh a word because so often it is done with all good intentions and no malice aforethought…aforethought being the operative word”
Bigotry doesn’t have to be overt, and it doesn’t have to be intense. That’s why I said “a form of bigotry”
Brosephus™
April 1st, 2012
6:07 pm
They BOTH
It’s funny how fast some people here contradict themselves and never stop long enough to realize it. They remind me of Dory from “Finding Nemo” with their short term memory issues.
josef
I’ll make noise as long as I have oxygen flowing through my lungs. I’ll also have some to keep going long after I’m gone.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
That’s the thing Jay, all the cases they cite were treated as crimes and investigated properly, usually with arrests and always with leads on suspects. The only question is whether they aren’t listening or just exercising willful ignorance.
Brocephus, saw an interview with a lady who is an interrupter. Very courageous and, apparently effective. Enlightenment is a slow process. The more we learn the more we realize how little we know. That’s true for so many things.
Josef, well that’s his opinion.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
Optimism – I’m all in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PE5V4Uzobc
What we really need is for these guys to come back.
http://johngushue.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451f25369e20147e12f1066970b-pi
Jm
April 1st, 2012
6:35 pm
Frog 4:15
Hilarious
Give up the ghost
Jm
April 1st, 2012
6:37 pm
HW didn’t like broccoli
Jm
April 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
Btw
Nice Sam olens write up today
Go Sam
Jm
April 1st, 2012
6:41 pm
Ran into some troopers today, Afghanistan bound
God bless ‘em
Jm
April 1st, 2012
6:43 pm
Oh, and RIP to Earl
Jm
April 1st, 2012
6:46 pm
More hilarity:
“The lottery is just a way of taxing poor people who don’t know math.”
getalife
April 1st, 2012
6:50 pm
Yup, we are back so we should be optimists.
In sourcing is the key to peace and prosperity.
The jobs are coming home.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
6:54 pm
Getalife
Jobs will only come home if we change our tax code
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
April 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
“was the failure of officials to arrest or seriously investigate a grown man”
Really Jay. They did no serious investigation? Is that why they took Zimm downtown in cuffs and questioned him? And is that how the lead inveestigator recommended that he be charged?- by doing no serious investigation?
“an innocent young black kid who was “suspected” for no apparent reason other than his race.”
Really Jay? So you can see inside the head and heart of this man who used to spend Saturdays and Sundays doing volunteer tutoring to mostly black schoolchildren from disadvantaged backgrounds? Let me know how you came about this unique gift of mindreading. Did it ever occur to you that he had never seen this kid in the neighborhood before and that is why he was suspicious given the recent spat of burglaries in the neighborhood? No. Probably not. Much easier and much lazier thinking to simply ASSume that you can read Zimmerman’s mind and know his racist tendencies huh?
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
Actually if you’re looking to buy American, this site can help
http://madeinusaforever.com/
And if I’m not mistaken, this website is donating all it profits from now until July 4 to cancer charities.
(could be another site but I’m pretty sure it’s this one)
Jay
April 1st, 2012
7:00 pm
Yes, Thulsa. They did no serious investigation.
And Zimmerman has a long and documented record of repeated calls to 911 about “suspicious” characters whose only suspicion-causing trait seemed to be their race.
Get over yourself.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
April 1st, 2012
7:00 pm
Jm,
The lottery is indeed a tax on the stupid. The 6 Georgians who took the payout will get I’m guessing 150k on the 250k they won after the payout and taxes. From there I’m betting that a minimum of 4 of the 6 will have spent the winnings within months.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:02 pm
“get over yourself”
I prefer to embrace myself.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:05 pm
Doom
What’s also funny about that line is it’s a tax on people of all income classes that “can’t do math”
I know 20 or so people who bought lottery tickets, and they weren’t poor.
josef
April 1st, 2012
7:06 pm
Thulsa
Well, not a bad return on a few dollars investment…
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:07 pm
There’s a tax on people who can’t read either
It just manifests itself in lower lifetime earnings. Democrats prove this point constantly.
Jay
April 1st, 2012
7:08 pm
And Thulsa, an honest request:
Please drop your “boot on liberal throat” nonsense. That is not helpful.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
7:08 pm
If you only buy a couple of lottery tickets as a form of entertainment/dreaming there’s nothing wrong with that. If you think you’re gonna win……….
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
“abortions are just expensive condoms”
That’ll get a few peeps
josef
April 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
I don’t play the big lotter…stick to the Lucky 7 scratch off (immediate gratification). I’ve kept track of what I’ve spent and what I’ve won (obsessive). I’m about 40 bucks ahead…
Jay
April 1st, 2012
7:11 pm
My wife’s office pool bought 15 MegaMillion tickets. Six numbers each ticket, of course, so on their 15 tickets — 15×6 — they got 90 different numbers.
Out of those 90 numbers, they got one that matched one of the six numbers drawn.
I told her it was the worst lottery ticket in history.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
April 1st, 2012
7:12 pm
Yes, Thulsa. “They did no serious investigation.”
In your distinguished opinion as an investigator do you know what does and does not constitute a “serious investigation?”. As I stated already the lead investigator recommended he be charged to the DA. Sounds like you should take this up more with the DA. It seems to me that if the lead investigator recommended this then he would have at least done some CYA to have investigated thoroughly enough in his mind to come to this conclusion. That only makes sense that if he is going to recommend prosecution that he did a good job of investigation in his mind.
“And Zimmerman has a long and documented record of repeated calls to 911 about “suspicious” characters whose only suspicion-causing trait seemed to be their race.”
I understand that he had made 46 previous calls. Has it been documented that in every one of these cases that the only trait was that the person under suspicion was black? If that is documented than your argument would have some merit. And even then it wouldn’t.
If I recall correctly this neighborhood was racially integrated being around 50% black, a lot of Hispanics, and some whites. It would seem reasonable that the profile of burglars in the neighborhood would be black or at least minority if indeed the neighborhood was majority minority. I doubt there are too many white burglars who go into majority minority neighborhoods to commit burglaries. A white burglar would tend to burglarize majority white neighborhoods where he doesn’t stand out like a sore thumb.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
and his head up his………..
George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says
“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”
The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223
getalife
April 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
jm,
What about the deficit?
Does it matter?
Thulsa Doom headstomping liberals left and right
April 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
Please drop your “boot on liberal throat” nonsense. That is not helpful
Okay.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
Liberals can do math: “I told her it was the worst lottery ticket in history.”
Statistically speaking, every ticket is the worst in history.
Just jerking your chain Jay.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
Duly noted and I was just kidding with the last post.
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
7:16 pm
“Jobs will only come home if we change our tax code.”
Jobs will be coming home soon when the costs of shipping from China and other Asian nations eclipse the labor arbitrage benefits. That is, the cost of shipping is more than corporations save on labor.
Many people don’t realize that labor is a relatively small component in most manufactured goods. This is especially true in automobiles — the labor component in automobiles (even under the “lavish” wages and benefits the Right loves to ridicule) — is only 8 – 10%.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:16 pm
Wasn’t that boot on the throat thing an Obama line?
Getalife
What about it? We’re screwed.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:18 pm
Sooth
It’s not the labor costs
It’s the FX rates
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
7:19 pm
I used to go to Jai Alai in Florida. Just viewed it as a night of entertainment, never spent more than I would for a night at a club, etc. Win some, lose some but enjoyed it.
JamVet
April 1st, 2012
7:21 pm
I prefer to embrace myself.
Is that what the kids call it these days?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MLBfwblps8
Jm
April 1st, 2012
7:21 pm
Wheels up. Out for a few hours
Enter your comments here
getalife
April 1st, 2012
7:22 pm
I just donate to the local tribe at the casino.
I helped build their new hotel.
They offer me free rooms.
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
7:22 pm
“I told her it was the worst lottery ticket in history”
I got one that almost matches that. An office I used to work in bought $50 worth of scratch-offs for someone who was leaving. Not a SINGLE one won anything. Not one.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
7:25 pm
Don’t forget,
Looks like Z had some issues, particularly when drinking. But he wasn’t drinking that night. To me it all comes down to one thing. Who attacked whom. I certainly think Z was overzealous in his pursuit of the young man- no one argues otherwise. I am simply saying that if he indeed turned and walked away and then Trayvon attacked then that changes things immeasurably. It seems to me that nearly everyone has already convicted the man in the court of public opinion without hearing out all the facts and that is what disturbs me more than anything. It could very well be that T attacked him and that Z fearing for his life shot him in self defense. We do have that issue of the single eyewitness stating that T was on top of Z pounding his head into the concrete and Z pleading to the eyewitness “help, help”. No matter what comes of this case its sickening to me how many people flat out refuse to even acknowledge the one eye witness who saw this.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
“But he wasn’t drinking that night.”
He was not tested so that is a lie.
911 told him not to follow.
That is where he made a huge mistake.
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
Friends, next week is the Masters. The glorious celebration of Spring that to many Northerners is welcome news.
If you say Augusta almost anywhere in the World, you don’t have to say Georgia. The Masters and Augusta National is something that we, as Georgians, can be collectively proud of.
Even if you don’t give a shyte about golf, try to watch some of the tournament next week — beginning on Thursday.
I have every confidence that Augusta National will be presented in all it’s radiant glory as the grande dame it’s famous for.
Give it a watch. All the “biggies” will be there: a healthy Tiger, Phil Mickelson and a host of challengers. This promises to be the best Masters in years. Who will win?
josef
April 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
DOGGONE
But…were they Lucky 7’s…?
GETALIFE
You’re the Red Man’s White Friend!
Jay
April 1st, 2012
7:29 pm
Thank you Sir Doom
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
7:32 pm
But Thulsa you now have recording experts saying the cries for help on the 911 tapes weren’t Zimmerman.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say
Youve also got the funeral director saying he saw no evidence of a fight, scrapes to knuckles, etc.
Zimmerman’s injuries appear to have been minor and there’s no documentation of a broken nose and a cut of the scalp that doesn’t require stitches or at least some steri-strips isn’t much of a cut. Leave it up to a jury but anything short of that isn’t enough IMO.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
7:34 pm
You are the blog sheriff imam. Its Bookman’s world and we’re all just playin in it.
Off the topic I hope anyone who knows anyone with diabetes, etc is watching the 60 minutes special on sugar right now. I’ve been thinking for a long time from all the reading I’ve done that sugar is definitely the enemy.
josef
April 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
SOOTh
Keep your eyes open for Matti and wiccan streaking by…
josef
April 1st, 2012
7:38 pm
Thulsa…
Depends…Type 1 or Type 2…
And you give al Shariff too much credit…it’s not his world, just his sandbox…
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
7:38 pm
“I’ve been thinking for a long time from all the reading I’ve done that sugar is definitely the enemy.”
I’m not a doctor, but everything I’ve read suggests, that Type II Diabetes (the most common form) is hereditary and is primarily brought on by a sedentary lifestyle and being overweight. NOT sugar consumption.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
7:40 pm
Josef, are you very familiar with the Lakota Sioux? My best friend in college was a “cultural director” for the state in SD (rapid city) and got invited to join the tribe. He got a ceremonial (?) pipe from them and shared a little sage with me. Very cool experience for him.
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
7:41 pm
Every now and then you just got to have a little . . .
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
How ’bout some sharp dressed men from the hood.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
7:46 pm
Type 1 is an autoimmune disease that destroys the insulin secretting cells of the pancreas. It results in a LACK of insulin.
Type 2 is due to insulin resistance and is a combination of hereditary, lifestyle and dietary issue. Carbs are the dietary issue and sugar is definitely a carb but so is pasta, potato chips, etc.
Veronica Sharpe
April 1st, 2012
7:52 pm
This is some of the best April Fool’s reading I’ve done all day. I smell a subtext.
josef
April 1st, 2012
7:57 pm
There is a genetic component to both forms though Type 1 tends to be more so. Certain ethnic groups have higher incidences, the Choctaw being one. There are studies underway on that by Choctaw health services. Unmentionable is Type 1 and so are several relatives on his Choctaw side.
*****
Don’t Forget…
I don’t know an awful lot about the Sioux. My contact has been mostly with the Southeastern and Pacific Northwestern nations.
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
7:57 pm
“As Americans turn away quite leisurely, keeping tuned to internet shopping and American Idol, the foundations of democracy are being fatally corroded. Something has changed profoundly that weakens us unprecedentedly: our democratic traditions, independent judiciary and free press do their work today in a context in which we are “at war” in a “long war” – a war without end, on a battlefield described as the globe, in a context that gives the president – without US citizens realising it yet – the power over US citizens of freedom or long solitary incarceration, on his say-so alone.”
– Naomi Wolf, Fascist America in 10 Easy Steps
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
8:00 pm
Pogo: guess murder is OK with the black community as long the murderer is not of another race, right? Why aren’t Sharpton and Jesse marching in Chicago right now?
SoCoBro: Instead of acting like you really give a damn about the Black, with a capital B, community, why don’t you go educate yourself. Contrary to your limited operating brains, neither Jesse Jackson nor Al Sharpton speak for all Black Americans. Quit ranting about sh*t you don’t really care about, and concern yourself with whatever in the hell you really do care about.
If any of you supposedly concerned people were honestly concerned, you’d realize that there are numerous organizations in the Black community, targeting the Black community, and staffed by the Black community to address issues in that part of our society. Once you realize your corporate owned, sensationalism driven media don’t give a damn about the Black community too, you’ll realize that there are people trying to make a difference without the need for media attention and/or pats on the back from White America.
Thank you SoCoBro for handling that small bit of nonsense. Saved me from saying it.
Doom: <i. Did it ever occur to you that he had never seen this kid in the neighborhood before and that is why he was suspicious given the recent spat of burglaries in the neighborhood?
If that’s the only criteria for shooting someone and killing them Doom, then you’d better stay outta my neighborhood. You’ve been looking mighty suspicious lately AND there have been some break ins at a store 5 miles from me.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
8:01 pm
strange about sugar and
diabetes, yet when the
duodenum is removed
diabetes is cured.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:02 pm
Don’t forget,
The cries for help on the 9/11 were from T probably after or right before he was shot by Z. What I suspect may have happened is that Z pulled the gun and T was crying for help right before or right after Z shot him- we don’t know. But in regards to the eyewitness he stated that Z looked at him and was pleading “help, help”. Those pleas for help were probably different from T’s pleas a half a minute or minute later when Z shot or was about to shoot him.
“Youve also got the funeral director saying he saw no evidence of a fight, scrapes to knuckles, etc.”
Irrelevant. I’ve never in my life seen my knuckles bruised and that’s after fights and 48 minute high school football games throwing my hands into the opposing lineman 40 plays a game. That means nothing. How many times have you actually seen a bruise on your knuckles? Mine have been sore after a fight or a football game but I don’t ever in my life remember them being bruised black and blue.
“Zimmerman’s injuries appear to have been minor and there’s no documentation of a broken nose and a cut of the scalp that doesn’t require stitches or at least some steri-strips isn’t much of a cut.”
Not true. On the police video a police detective clearly is seen looking at the cut on the back of his head. Secondly he was looked at by paramedics at the scene who would have cleaned up the blood. Thirdly if I remember correctly the police report describes Z being bloody and having a bloody face so obviously the paramedics would have cleaned that off.
“Leave it up to a jury but anything short of that isn’t enough IMO.”
I agree. My only point is my pure disgust with people who seem to have already convicted Z without even a slightest willingness to look at his side of the story. The righteous indigation of the lynch mob mentality that has already decided this case in their minds sickens me.
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
8:06 pm
Fascism is dangerous because its insidious, it is a natural degenerative process of a capitalistic society caused by the revolving door between government and the most powerful global corporations. Large multi-national corporations, through campaign finance and intense lobbying, come to dominant the legislative and political process.
“Fascism in America won’t come with jackboots, book burnings, mass rallies, and fevered harangues, nor will it come with black helicopters or tanks on the street. It won’t come like a storm but as a break in the weather, that sudden change of season you might feel when the wind shifts on an October evening: Everything is the same, but everything has changed. Something has gone, departed from the world, and a new reality will have taken its place.
All the old forms will still be there: legislatures, elections, campaigns plenty of bread and circuses. But consent of the governed will no longer apply; actual control of the state will have passed to a small and privileged group who rule for the benefit of their wealthy peers and corporate patrons.
To be sure, there will be factional conflicts among the elite, and a degree of debate will be permitted; but no one outside the privileged circle will be allowed to influence state policy. Dissidents will be marginalized usually by the people themselves. Deprived of historical knowledge by a thoroughly impoverished educational system designed to produce complacent consumers, left ignorant of current events by a corporate media devoted solely to profit, many will internalize the force-fed values of the ruling elite, and act accordingly. There will be little need for overt methods of control.
The rulers will act in secret, for reasons of national security, and the people will not be permitted to know what goes on in their name. Actions once unthinkable will be accepted as routine: government by executive fiat, state murder of enemies selected by the leader, undeclared wars, torture, mass detentions without charge, the looting of the national treasury, the creation of huge new security structures targeted at the populace. In time, this will be seen as normal, as the chill of autumn feels normal when summer is gone. It will all seem normal.”
– Chris Floyd, November 10, 2001 Moscow Times
When I read this I was wondering why he was speaking in the future tense. After looking at the date, now I understand why.
Everything he says has come to pass.
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
8:08 pm
Tell us what you think about all those OWS folks.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:10 pm
It sickens me that cons ignore the 911 operator ordering him not to follow.
Of course, the knuckles swell after a fight.
As usual, doomy has no idea what he is talking about.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
8:12 pm
Doom: It would seem reasonable that the profile of burglars in the neighborhood would be black or at least minority if indeed the neighborhood was majority minority. I doubt there are too many white burglars who go into majority minority neighborhoods to commit burglaries. A white burglar would tend to burglarize majority white neighborhoods where he doesn’t stand out like a sore thumb
Be careful doom, your slip is showing.
We do have that issue of the single eyewitness stating that T was on top of Z pounding his head into the concrete and Z pleading to the eyewitness “help, help”. No matter what comes of this case its sickening to me how many people flat out refuse to even acknowledge the one eye witness who saw this.
Now you’re being plain ridiculous. You have ONE witness for Zimmerman to TWO to Trayvon. Now imagine the sesame street song, “One of these things are not like the other” is playing in the background. Guess which is more Doom is it ONE or TWO? Duh!
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:13 pm
“You’ve been looking mighty suspicious lately AND there have been some break ins at a store 5 miles from me.”
Debbiedoright,
Yes. I’ve been told at differing times that I’m either scary looking, suspicious looking, or sometimes both at the same time.
BTW you mention that if looking suspicious is the only criterion but he didn’t shoot T based on just looking suspcious. He shot T because he was allegedly getting his ass whupped. The question me then becomes did Z turn and walk away from a possible altercation after initially trying to stop T and then get attacked by T as he alleges, or did Z out and out attack T, get his ass whupped, and then shoot T in the midst of his asswhupping. That to me is the central question. That and according to the tapes I would like to see what kind of a delay there is between T yelling or pleading and the actual gunshot if it can be heard.
In my mind its possible that if you took Z at his word that T attacked him after he had already backed off and went back to the truck then it becomes a question of was it really necessary to shoot T? Was T backing off or standing up when he was shot in a retreat mode or was he literally on top Z whupping on him when Z shot him in self defense. That is what it comes down to for me.
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
8:18 pm
“Of course, the knuckles swell after a fight”
They do indeed. Back in the days of bare-knuckle boxing bouts the fights quite often went on for many rounds, because the fighters were being careful to protect their OWN hands.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:19 pm
Debbiedoright,
My slip is showing. Seriously? Why and how often do you hear about white burglars going into black neighborhoods to burglarize? What kinda sense does that make? If I’m a white burglar I’m going to burglarize white neighborhoods where I’m not going to stick out as much and where there are commonly more wealthier neighborhoods that are white anyway based on demographics.
2 eyewitnesses for T? I’ve heard of one that came forward just in the last few days that I find questionable coming forward so late in all of this. Who is the other eyewitness?
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:20 pm
It comes down to the 911 call doomy continues to ignore.
Following somebody at night is aggressive behavior especially after they told him not to follow him..
Don’t want none, don’t start none.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
8:22 pm
Josef,
Here’s the numbers in case your interested.
Genetic susceptibility — The risk of type 1 diabetes is significantly increased in close relatives of a patient with type 1 diabetes [26]:
* No family history — 0.4 percent
* Offspring of an affected mother — 2 to 4 percent
* Offspring of an affected father — 5 to 8 percent
* Offspring with both parents affected — reported as high as 30 percent [27,28]
* Non-twin sibling of affected patient — 5 percent
* Dizygotic twin — 8 percent
* Monozygotic twin — 50 percent lifetime risk, 30 percent within 10 years of diagnosis of the first twin [29]
In the United States, there also are ethnic differences in incidence of type 1 diabetes. In a study that sampled several large multiethnic populations between 2002 and 2005, the highest incidence was seen in non-Hispanic white youth, followed by African American, Hispanic, Asian-Pacific Islanders and American Indians (22.6, 15.7, 13.8, 7.4, and 2.97 cases per 100,000 children 10-19 years old, respectively)
These observations of familial and ethnic risk factors are most likely the consequences of gene polymorphisms in the major histocompatibility complex (MHC) or other genetic susceptibility regions.
Type 2 on the other hand:
Evidence for a strong genetic component for type 2 disease is based upon observations that the risk of diabetes is significantly increased in close relatives of an affected patient.
* In several studies reviewed by the American Diabetes Association (ADA), 40 to 80 percent of children and adolescents with type 2 diabetes had at least one affected parent [19]. In the previously mentioned review of 54 adolescents with type 2 diabetes, 65 percent had one first-degree relative with the condition, and 85 percent had at least one first- or second-degree relative [5]. In the baseline data from the TODAY Study (Treatment Options for Type 2 Diabetes in Adolescents and Youth), 60 percent of study participants had a positive family history of diabetes in a first degree relative while 89 percent had a positive family history of diabetes with the addition of grandparents [20].
* The offspring of a parent with type 2 diabetes has an estimated risk of 40 percent of developing diabetes. This risk increases to 60 percent if both parents are affected [21].
* In monozygotic twins with one affected twin, the other twin has a 90 percent chance of developing diabetes [22].
Sorry, but I don’t disagree with you very often and this is my turf.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
8:24 pm
OK so now doom is not only a lawyer, who knows florida law better than most florida LAWYERS, he is also a medical examiner, a crime scene investigator AND a funeral director.
Doom your feet must be tired from all the running around from theory to theory you’ve been doing on the Trayvon case.
Tell you what Doom, if you’re completely wrong about Trayvon’s “fight” with Zimmerman (which caused Zimmerman’s punk azz to shoot an unarmed kid because he was getting his azz kicked); then you should donate your time to Atlanta BBBS — since you’re so concerned about the black crime and the black youth and all.
If you’re right, I will appoloize to you for my thinking that you are nothing more than a racial profiling wimp azz soft brained pea head. You have my word on that. Deal?
Soothsayer
April 1st, 2012
8:24 pm
The US federal government is looking for contractors to provide staff and supplies for “emergency camps” located around the country.
The recently passed National Authorization Defense Act has a provision which empowers the government to arrest Americans and hold them in these emergency camps – you should read that as detention camps – with no legal recourse.
Also under the new law the US military has the power to carry out domestic anti-terrorism operations on US soil. The NDAA authorizes the military to detain even US citizens without trial and no legal recourse.
NDAA section 102: “which purports to authorize the president of the United States to use the armed forces of the United States to detain American citizens who the president suspects are or have been substantial supports of al-Qaida, the Taliban, or associated forces, and to hold such citizens indefinitely.”
“The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist.”
– Winston Churchill
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
8:25 pm
Thulsa, but they did find scrapes on Zimmerman’s nuckles but it’s possible that may have been due to dragging. Sorry, April fools joke.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:25 pm
Of course, the knuckles swell after a fight”
“They do indeed. Back in the days of bare-knuckle boxing bouts the fights quite often went on for many rounds, because the fighters were being careful to protect their OWN hands”
Yes. Of course. Z and T went round and round for 15 rounds. And here I thought it only lasted for half a minute or a minute or so.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
8:26 pm
18 USC ss 1111 gives the
FBI authority to deal with George.
Doggone/GA
April 1st, 2012
8:28 pm
“Yes. Of course. Z and T went round and round for 15 rounds. And here I thought it only lasted for half a minute or a minute or so.”
Nothing like missing the point COMPLETELY. Congratulations.
Old Timer
April 1st, 2012
8:29 pm
Was T backing off or standing up when he was shot in a retreat mode or was he literally on top Z whupping on him when Z shot him in self defense. That is what it comes down to for me.
Powder burns on T would tell the story, but of course since the police never bothered to conduct an investigation, no one will ever know.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:30 pm
doomy,
Why do you ignore the 911 tape?
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:34 pm
I hit a guy on the nose once, one punch, knocked him down and he got up with a bad nose bleed. Not a scratch or a bruise on my kuckles or hand. If you hit him with the flat of your fist like you should you won’t have any knuckle damage. If your knuckles hit hiim, you missed the sweet spot and didn’t get the full impact.
Recon 0311 2533
April 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
I see the blog is still stuck on stupid over the tragic death of young Travon Martin. The only thing we know is that Zimmerman was playing the role of neighborhood cop without a badge, and Martin wasn’t the innocent angel that the press originally made him out to be. The question under investigation is who was the aggressor and until that determination is made the blog speculation means nothing.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:37 pm
Another con ignoring the 911 tape.
zimm is no angel too del.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:37 pm
Debbiedoright,
Sorry but in my entire life I’ve just never seen anyone with bruises on their knuckles. I’ve seen swelling in the knuckles from arthritis and that’s about it. I’ve seen bruises on forearms, upper arms, legs, and other places but never on the actual knuckles. And as an avid gambler who has looked at myriad numbers of football, basketball, and baseball injury reports I’ve never seen anyone miss a sporting contest due to bruised or broken knuckles or sore knuckles. Never seen it in my entire life.
Debbie what is Atlanta BBBS? While you’re at it why don’t you tell me that for every 100 black men that you know how many of them have spent their time volunteering on weekends to tutor black children from disadvantaged backgrounds like Z did? And be honest. How many black men that you know that do or have done this? I know 2 white guys that volunteered for big brothers. And who do white men get paired with? Mostly black kids. Why? Because there is a shortage of black men to do it. Don’t believe me? Call em up and see for yourself.
Say what you will about Z. And maybe he is truly guilty of murder though none of us really know. The fact is that in his volunteer work that man has done a crapload more good for black children then probably 90% of the black men out there. And I suspect that deep down in your heart you know this to be true. And that that is what really ticks you off.
josef
April 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
Don’t Forget
Thanks for the read. It was interesting to see the rate among American Indians. One of the preliminary “thesis” for the high incidence among the Choctaw is that they are heavily intermarried with Europeans and that the higher incidence comes in there. I’ll have to go digging around (if you don’t have it at hand) but I seem to recall that among the Southeastern Indians (more heavily intermarried) the incidence is higher
You say this is your turf, if I may ask, what do you do or are you diabetic yourself…?
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
Oscar,
You did not break his nose.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:40 pm
Under Florida law, if the defendant pleads self defense, the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the deceased did not attack first. With no witnesses in this case to the start of the fight, looks to me like a pretty high bar for them to reach. Don’t see how they can.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:41 pm
getalife
How do you know?
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:41 pm
Try knocking somebody’s teeth out and look at your hand.
It is broken silly.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
8:41 pm
‘the blog speculation
means nothing’
true of everything
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:43 pm
“How do you know?”
I am a fighter.
You hit cartilage not bone.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:43 pm
getalife
______
Never tried that. Always went for the nose or the eyes. Easier target for some reason. Good solid hits.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:46 pm
Oscar,
I had my nose broken three times.
The worst part is snapping it back in place.
paulo 977
April 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
barking frog
March 31st, 2012
3:19 pm
josef,
The FBI is watching the FCC.
________________________________
Who is watching the FBI???
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:48 pm
“The question under investigation is who was the aggressor and until that determination is made the blog speculation means nothing”
Recon,
That is the single and only real point I’m trying to get liberals to just remotely consider. Who initiated the actual physical fight? The lynch mob crowd has made up their minds that there is no way in hell that Z could have turned his back and walked away and that Trayvon may have then become the aggressor and attacked him. They don’t want to hear facts or other ideas. In their minds they have already convicted Z.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
8:48 pm
Josef, I don’t have a breakdown for different tribes, the info I got was from “Up to Date” which is probably the best source for current medical information especially treatment guidelines. I was surprised the incidence wasn’t higher for indians. My turf? I’m a physician, specialty is internal medicine so I’m OCD if I hear something that doesn’t sound right to me.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:50 pm
I was playing one on one basketball with a friend once. He had the ball and came forward at the same time I want forward. His nose and the top of my right shoulder hit as I leaned forward. Popped his nose. He looked at me in shock and said you broke my nose. I drove him to the hospital and they fixed it up.
josef
April 1st, 2012
8:50 pm
PAULO
According to Frog…President Obama…
Don’t Forget
I had to do a second read to see where it was you were disagreeing…thanks for the correction/additional information…
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:51 pm
Don’t see why a guy with a gun would start a fight. Do see why an uinarmed guy would start a fight with someone if he did not know the other person was armed.
No witnesses. No way to tell. Ever.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
8:51 pm
paulo977,
read farther. the
president.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:52 pm
Oscar @ 8:40,
That pretty much sums it up. Z may very well be guilty in fact of murdering T unnecessarily. But with no eyewitness to confirm it and saying what you did about Florida law the bar is very high to convict Z. That I suspect is why the AD looked at it and decided there simply wasn’t enough evidence to charge much less convict Z.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:52 pm
Lower your head and bury your chin so they hit the top of your head.
When they grab their hand in pain, it is your turn to swing.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:53 pm
I am part Cherokee. Why are you guys talking about Indian tribes.
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
8:54 pm
Last I heard, the fact still remains that there is a young boy dead from a bullet. Ain’t heard about no lynch mobs. I think those went out of style back when it became unpopular to take the law into one’s own hands and follow folks around against specific instructions not to do so. That sort of thing.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
getalife
_______
Thanks for the advice, but my fighting days are long since passed. I figured out ealy one could get hurt doing that and quit while I was ahead, or still in one piece, can’t say that I was ahead.
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
Why are you guys talking about Indian tribes.
In the beginning…
getalife
April 1st, 2012
8:56 pm
“to take the law into one’s own hands and follow folks around against specific instructions not to do so.”
They ignore that fact and call it debate.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
8:56 pm
TaxPayer
_____
There are so many ways this thing could have been avoided by smarter moves by both parties. Tragic.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
8:56 pm
If the FBI cannot establish a federal nexis they in all probability would (and should) back out:
“Murder is not a federal crime, and therefore, a death suspected to be a murder would not ordinarily be investigated by any federal agent, absent some special jurisdiction to do so, however, there are many circumstances under which such jurisdiction would arise. The most obvious would be if the death/murder occurred on US government property. Deaths on military bases would generally be investigated by the respective military branch’s similar investigative branch (ie: NCIS in the Navy, etc.). The FBI could also take jurisdiction if the death involved a US Government official, theoretically right down to your USPS letter carrier. The FBI can also claim jurisdiction in an investigation if there is suspicion that there has been a violation of another federal law at the base of the crime, most usually the violation of the victim’s civil rights. Such is usually the case when the murder is suspected to be racially motivated, part of an organized crime syndicate’s activities (”RICO”), etc. Kidnapping across state lines is a federal crime, as is narcotic trafficking, trafficking in prostitution. Also, the FBI makes itself available to assist local and state authorities in murder investigations upon request when it’s superior investigative resources (laboratory analysis, DNA, etc) can be of vital assistance. Lastly, in a way that sometimes blurs jurisdictional distinctions, the FBI also have a tendency to get involved when the victim is from a prominent, politically connected family.”
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
8:57 pm
“Nothing like missing the point COMPLETELY. Congratulations”
Nothing like making a ridiculous and irrelevant point to begin with.
Recon 0311 2533
April 1st, 2012
8:59 pm
Zimmerman could walk just like O.J. Simpson walked but in one case you’re talking premeditated murder and in the other a case of potential stupid ignorance that led to the unfortunate death of a young man. I don’t recall an outcry for justice in the former nor at any other time involving cases of black on white murder. That bothers me a lot as it does others a lot. I’m frankly nauseated by the civil rights crowd stirring up racial resentment before the investigation is even completed.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
8:59 pm
Headine: “Neighbor defends George Zimmerman”
“I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren’t flat, had a bump on them,” the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.
He described where the injuries were.
“I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen,” he said.”
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/neighbor-defends-george-zimmerman-03302012
P.S. There will also be an EMT report for submission to any prosecutor/grand jury, etc.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
9:00 pm
Scout,
Google 18 USC ss 1111.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
9:01 pm
“If it had been a white teenager who was shot, and a 28-year-old black guy who shot him, the black guy would have been arrested.
So assert those demanding the arrest of George Zimmerman, who shot and killed Trayvon Martin.
And they may be right.
Yet if Trayvon had been shot dead by a black neighborhood watch volunteer, Jesse Jackson would not have been in a pulpit in Sanford, Fla., howling that he had been “murdered and martyred.”
Maxine Waters would not be screaming “hate crime.”
Rep. Hank Johnson would not be raging that Trayvon had been “executed.” And ex-Black Panther Bobby Rush would not have been wearing a hoodie in the well of the House.
Which tells you what this whipped-up hysteria is all about.
It is not about finding the truth about what happened that night in Sanford when Zimmerman followed Trayvon in his SUV, and the two wound up in a fight, with Trayvon dead.
It is about the exacerbation of and the exploitation of racial conflict.
And it is about an irreconcilable conflict of visions about what the real America is in the year 2012.
Zimmerman “profiled” Trayvon, we are told. And perhaps he did.
But why? What did George Zimmerman, self-styled protector of his gated community, see that night from the wheel of his SUV?
He saw a male. And males are 90 percent of prison inmates. He saw a stranger over 6 feet tall. And he saw a black man or youth with a hood over his head.
Why would this raise Zimmerman’s antennae?
Perhaps because black males between 16 and 36, though only 2 to 3 percent of the population, are responsible for a third of all our crimes.
In some cities, 40 percent of all black males are in jail or prison, on probation or parole, or have criminal records. This is not a product of white racism but of prosecutions and convictions of criminal acts.
Had Zimmerman seen a black woman or older man in his neighborhood, he likely would never have tensed up or called in.
For all the abuse he has received, Geraldo Rivera had a point.
Whenever cable TV runs hidden-camera footage of a liquor or convenience store being held up and someone behind the counter being shot, the perp is often a black male wearing a hoodie.
Listening to the heated rhetoric coming from demonstrations around the country, from the Black Caucus and TV talkers — about how America is a terrifying place for young black males to grow up in because of the constant danger from white vigilantes — one wonders what country of the mind these people are living in.
The real America is a country where the black crime rate is seven times as high as the white rate. It is a country where white criminals choose black victims in 3 percent of their crimes, but black criminals choose white victims in 45 percent of their crimes.
Black journalists point to the racism manifest even in progressive cities, where cabs deliberately pass them by to pick up white folks down the block.
That this happens is undeniable. But, again, what is behind it?
As Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute has written, from January to June 2008 in New York City, 83 percent of all identified gun assailants were black and 15 percent were Hispanics.
Together, blacks and Hispanics accounted for 98 percent of gun assaults.
Translated: If a cabdriver is going to be mugged or murdered in New York City by a fare, 49 times out of 50 his assailant or killer will be black or Hispanic.
Fernando Mateo of the New York State Federation of Taxi Drivers has told his drivers, “Profile your passengers” for your own protection. “The God’s honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these guys are blacks and Hispanics.”
Fernando Mateo is himself black and Hispanic.
To much of America’s black leadership and its media auxiliaries, what happened in Sanford was, as Jesse put it, that an innocent kid was “shot down in cold blood by a vigilante.”
Yet, from police reports, witness statements, and the father and friends of Zimmerman, another picture emerges.
Zimmerman followed Trayvon, confronted him, and was punched in the nose, knocked flat on his back and jumped on, getting his head pounded, when he pulled his gun and fired. That Trayvon’s body was found face down, not face up, would tend to support this.
But, to Florida Congresswoman Federica Wilson, “this sweet young boy … was hunted down like a dog, shot on the street, and his killer is still at large.”
Some Sanford police believed Zimmerman; others did not.
But now that it is being investigated by a special prosecutor, the FBI, the Justice Department and a coming grand jury, what is the purpose of this venomous portrayal of George Zimmerman?
As yet convicted of no crime, he is being crucified in the arena of public opinion as a hate-crime monster and murderer.
Is this our idea of justice?
No. But if the purpose here is to turn this into a national black-white face-off, instead of a mutual search for truth and justice, it is succeeding marvelously well.”
Pat Buchanan
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:02 pm
“Ain’t heard about no lynch mobs. I think those went out of style back when it became unpopular to take the law into one’s own hands and follow folks around against specific instructions not to do so. That sort of thing.”
Yes. Of course. And apparently you didn’t hear about the 1 million dollar bounty placed on Z’s head. And apparently you didn’t know that after Spike Lee erroneously tweeted the address of Z’s parents that the people that lived there received an incredible amount of threats, intimidation, etc. And apparently you missed the fact that Zimmerman’s 70 year old parents have been hit with death threats, hate mail, etc. As if the freaking parents had anything to do with this.
Apparently you don’t know a lot of things. Why am I not surprised?
josef
April 1st, 2012
9:02 pm
Don’t Forget…
Unmentionable is not here for me to bounce off of on this. According to the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians Health Department study
“The age-adjusted prevalence of 163.2/1000 population was 6.5 times (95% CI 4.3-9.8) the U.S. rate. The prevalence of diabetes in the Choctaw Indians was significantly higher than the U.S. rates for all age-groups except for those < 15 yr of age."
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:04 pm
Nice race cards del and scout.
It is your racism making you feel ill.
Pat Buchanan is your sign.
Recon 0311 2533
April 1st, 2012
9:07 pm
getalife, you’re the racist and an ignorant one at that.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:07 pm
Scout,
Damn. That statement by Buchanan pretty much sums it up.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
9:09 pm
Sooth
Re masters
I’ll be watching
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:10 pm
del and doomy,
Pat Buchanan is a well known racist so you both can stop pretending you are not.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:12 pm
April 1st, 2012
9:09 pm
Sooth
Re masters
I’ll be watching
________
Go Bubba.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
9:14 pm
Trayvon is old news
If you’re upset, go join a protest or something
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
I said I did not hear about no lynch mob, Doom. You seem to have a propensity for the drama queen theatrics here. Not I.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
Jm,
i thought embracing
yourself caused blindness.
Recon 0311 2533
April 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the Urban league and the NAACP are known racists, so getalife you can stop pretending that you know what you’re talking about.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
Recon,
I don’t know if I would call him racist? Stupid? Absolutely.
josef
April 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
OSCAR
O-si-yo, U-na-li-i!
The Indian thing was in relation to incidences of diabetes and the genetic component…
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
I figure it like this.
If you support Martin, you are a liberal and a racist.
If you support Zimmerman, you are a con and a racist.
No place to hide if you give an opinion. What happenned to “Reasonable men can disagree?”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
Thulsa Doom:
I don’t agree with everything he says but that one seems to do just that.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
9:18 pm
Oscar
Masters is one of a kind
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:18 pm
josef
____
Thanks. I will read up on that. Never heard it before.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:19 pm
“Blacks Bought A Lot Of Propaganda On The Liberal Plantation.” Pat Buchanan.
He will join the other racists at fox news after showing his racism on MSNBC.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
9:19 pm
Frog
I have a braille keyboard
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:19 pm
Taxpayer,
A lynch mob has to know where to show up at. And of course Zimm went into hiding. Do you doubt that his life is in danger or that given a chance there is a mob of people that would like to kill him? Your previous statement’s absurdity speaks for itself. Dismissed.
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
9:19 pm
What happenned to “Reasonable men can disagree?”
Probably went out the window with “just the facts”.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
9:19 pm
Scout,
I believe it’s the states jurisdiction and the lead prosecutor has a good reputation all around. I understand she has met extensively with the family and they have confidence in her judgement. I know the feds got involved in the Mississippi burning case but this certainly nothing like that. Looks more like locals coming to a conclusion too early.
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
9:20 pm
This just in.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Jm
_____
Love watching it. But never been there.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Did the police chief want to arrest him?
Who stopped the arrest?
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:22 pm
TaxPayer
_______
Good one.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
9:23 pm
Doom: Debbie what is Atlanta BBBS?
Big Brother Big Sister – which I belong to. What about you?
While you’re at it why don’t you tell me that for every 100 black men that you know how many of them have spent their time volunteering on weekends to tutor black children from disadvantaged backgrounds like Z did?
First, who said he did those things? His lawyer? His family? Can this be proven, or do we, yet again, take the shooter’s word?
Secondly out of a 100 BLACK men, who gives back yada yada yada, I know 70. Surprised? Perhaps you need to do more research and less flapping of the gums.
And be honest. How many black men that you know that do or have done this? I know 2 white guys that volunteered for big brothers. And who do white men get paired with? Mostly black kids. Why? Because there is a shortage of black men to do it. Don’t believe me? Call em up and see for yourself.
WRONG. It’s not that there is a shortage of black men in Atlanta, Atlanta has the highest percentage of Black men volunteers than any other metropolitan citiy with like demographics. Morehouse has tons of volunteers; the problem is that there are an over abundance of black male children in the program. Again, you are flapping your gums without knowing what you’re talking about.
Say what you will about Z. And maybe he is truly guilty of murder
He is.
The fact is that in his volunteer work that man has done a crapload more good for black children then probably 90% of the black men out there.
Well murdering one negates all the supposed good he’s done.
And I suspect that deep down in your heart you know this to be true. And that that is what really ticks you off.
Yet again, flapping your gums, and saying nothing.
TaxPayer
April 1st, 2012
9:23 pm
Your previous statement’s absurdity speaks for itself. Dismissed.
You are hardly in a position to critique another’s statements given your theatrics here tonight. Dismissed. Yourself. Tool.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:24 pm
josef, don’t forget,
On that same point a good friend of mine once told me that while the Japanese may encourage drunkenness occassionally as a coping mechanism he remarked that you never hear of alcoholism in the Japanese or other east Asian cultures. He said they lacked a particular enzyme that induces alcholism. Not sure where he read that since it was years ago. Bottom line though was that from what he said genetically speaking some ethnic groups are more predisposed to particular ailments such as alcholism, diabetes, etc. The Irish and American Indians for example do have this gene from what he was telling me and are in fact more genetically predisposed to some diseases. Don’t know if that’s all true but it is interesting that while most of us know and have Asian friends that drink like everybody else I’ve never known an Asian alcoholic in my life. The human genome is being decoded gradually though as we spoke.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
Oscar
I’ve only been once
Amazing
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
Jm,
good.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:27 pm
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Did the police chief want to arrest him?
Who stopped the arrest?
____
The prosecutor looked at the evidence and said they did not have a case based on the information they had at the time. He did not rule out a future arrest.
They BOTH suck
April 1st, 2012
9:31 pm
TD @ 9:24
Seems there is some truth to that. At least based on this study
http://www.decodeme.com/alcohol-flush-reaction
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:31 pm
Thulsa Doom
——————-
Interesting how different groups isloated from each other for thousands of years evolved with different genes. In Europe they evolved to be able to drink milk. Lots of other differences occurred over time.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:32 pm
Oscar,
Was it the prosecutor that said not to test zimm for drugs or truth detector?
td
April 1st, 2012
9:33 pm
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
Did the police chief want to arrest him?
Who stopped the arrest?
The DA stopped the arrest. More then likely after Z’s daddy (retired Judge) made a special call. This has nothing to do with black and white but power, privilege and money. Have you ever heard the saying that the only color justice sees is Green? OJ got away with murdering two people and Michael Jackson got away with molesting multiple children because they had money. Z did not get properly investigated and may get away with homicide due to power, influence and money.
This racist crap is BS plain and simple.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:34 pm
They called Billy Carter Leadbelly in Plains because he could drink anything in any amount and never had a hangover. He did however, become an alcoholic. The theory that alcoholics are people who tolerate alcohol well has been around a while. Makes sense.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:35 pm
talife
April 1st, 2012
9:32 pm
Oscar,
Was it the prosecutor that said not to test zimm for drugs or truth detector?
____
I don’t have any information on that.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:38 pm
Oscar,
Thanks for the non racist reply.
We don’t have that information yet.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:39 pm
Debbiedoright,
“First, who said he did those things? His lawyer? His family? Can this be proven, or do we, yet again, take the shooter’s word?”
Who said that? Actually a black man who looked to be in his mid 40s who was a friend of Z and who openly defended him in a television interview. He was actually a pretty powerful defender of Z.
“the problem is that there are an over abundance of black male children in the program.”
And why would that be?
“Say what you will about Z. And maybe he is truly guilty of murder”- Doom
“He is”- Debbiedoright
Debbiedoright,
That’s all I need to know. You have already convicted him in your own mind without knowing all the facts. Your biases are evident and the fact of the matter is that its frightening that people like you have already decided in your minds that he is guilty of murder. In this nation there is due process. And the presumption of innocence before being proven guilty by the state. Your biases have enabled you to ignore both. And that is a sad thing when we become a nation ruled by the rule of man as opposed to a nation ruled by the rule of law.
“Well murdering one negates all the supposed good he’s done.”
I never said that. I’m speaking to the general psyche of the man. I am having a problem understanding why a man who would volunteer on weekends to tutor poor black children at the same time is a racist. Can you explain this glaring inconsistency? I have yet to see anyone explain it or even make a feeble attempt to do so. Perhaps you can.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
9:39 pm
getalife, quit trying to convict before you know the facts.
give peace a chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SSUQxGjZZ4
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
9:39 pm
Josef, wow that is high! I’m guessing those figures were from this 1989 study.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/16/1/250.full.pdf
It appears that the rates are similarly elevated amongst both Oklahoma and Mississippi Choctaw as well as the Pima. I would think they would be a good population for genetic studies.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:43 pm
moonbat,
Just trying to find the facts that you cons ignore..
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:43 pm
Oscar,
I have 2 friends of mine that can drink like crazy. And both of them have told me over the years that they do not get hangovers. How this can be I can’t figure out. One is an alcoholic. The other is just a heavy drinker and a former Army green beret. Funny thing is I’ve never seen him lose control. He can drink like a fish but never stumble or get silly drunk.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
9:47 pm
Don’t Forget:
I hear you but just remember an indictment is not that difficult if you “really” want one. It’s not a trial.
As I predicted the other night, I think the special prosecutor will seek an indictment if for no other reason than to “quell” the situtation a little. I think she also knows that winning the case will be quite another matter.
Which would cause the worst reaction do you think (and possible violence) ?
1) A decision not to prosecute now?
2) A not quilty verdict later?
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:47 pm
Alcoholics never stop drinking so there is no hangover.
Like any drug, they build up a tolerance so it takes a lot of alcohol for them to show they are drunk.
I have the alcoholic gene.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:47 pm
Thulsa Doom
____________
Could be the way his liver works, or amount of certain hormones that deals with alcohol in the body, or something in the brain,or both. Need more research on this.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
9:48 pm
Sure you are, getalife.
We are all ears.
Don’t trot out 5 year old pictures of children and distort the truth because it scores points for obama.
Josef
April 1st, 2012
9:50 pm
Don’t Forget…
Interesting that the Pima fall into that category, being isolated from the Choctaw. Thanks for that kink. I’m on iPad now and the details are on my laptop files, but since you’re a medicine man, remind me to tell you about what’s been uncovered relative to the deaths of so many Southeastern Indians following the first contacts with the de Soto expedition…talk about the rest of the story!
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:50 pm
I think a not guilty verdict would cause the most reaction. I remember the riots in the past following not guilty verdicts, particularity the verdict after the trial in the Rodney King case. We had riots in Atlanta downtown. Our office closed right after lunch and we all left downtown. Wisely.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:52 pm
“Don’t trot out 5 year old pictures of children and distort the truth because it scores points for obama.”
What the huh?
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
9:53 pm
Thulsa,
The two principal enzymes involved in ethanol oxidative metabolism are alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH). ADH is responsible for the metabolism of ethanol to acetaldehyde. ALDH catalyzes the conversion of acetaldehyde to acetate. The different isozymes account for the diversity of alcohol metabolism among individuals. An isozyme of ADH (beta 2 beta 2) is found more frequently in Asians than in whites, and an ALDH isozyme (ALDH2), although present in Asians, often is in an inactive form. The presence of an inactive form of ALDH2 is thought to be responsible for an increase in acetaldehyde levels in the body. Acetaldehyde is considered responsible for the facial flushing reaction often observed among Asians who have consumed alcohol. A dysphoric reaction to alcohol, producing uncomfortable sensations, is believed to be a response to deter further consumption.
They BOTH suck
April 1st, 2012
9:54 pm
josef
“Thanks for that kink”
Freudian slip?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
9:54 pm
Ooops – missed this bit of nonsense from Doom.
My slip is showing. Seriously? Why and how often do you hear about white burglars going into black neighborhoods to burglarize? What kinda sense does that make? If I’m a white burglar I’m going to burglarize white neighborhoods where I’m not going to stick out as much and where there are commonly more wealthier neighborhoods that are white anyway based on demographics.
So what you’re saying is that there aren’t any affluent black neighborhoods that any white person would want to rob? Really? Atlanta, (Lithonia) has the second highest average (besides this city in Maryland); of black millionaires in the nation.
2 eyewitnesses for T? I’ve heard of one that came forward just in the last few days that I find questionable coming forward so late in all of this. Who is the other eyewitness?
Then that will make 3. the other two came out weeks ago.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
9:54 pm
They both suck,
Damn I wish I had that anti-alcohol gene. My liver would thank it and I would drop that 20 lbs or more that I can’t seem to shake from last football season.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
9:56 pm
Josef,
Cool! I’d love to learn about that. Hmmm, Desoto introduced pigs to the new world right? Maybe that’s my clue.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
9:56 pm
Stop the mob mentality.
Reginald Denny won’t be forgotten this time.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
9:57 pm
getalife,
Jm has embraced himself
to the point of blindness.
he has a braille keyboard.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
9:58 pm
Doom,
low carb, high protein, at least 30 min. of cardio per day.
You’ll be good to go.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
9:58 pm
frog,
How does he read the comments?
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
9:59 pm
mad Men or GCB. I guess I watch one and record the other.
Oscar
April 1st, 2012
10:00 pm
Braille computer screen.
They BOTH suck
April 1st, 2012
10:00 pm
TD
I hear you……….. Keep at the jogging and walking as well as increasing your water intake. Not sure if you drink many cokes, but those are killers if you are trying to loose weight
Satan
April 1st, 2012
10:02 pm
“Braille computer screen”
It’s awesome
Everyone should try it
Getalife, if you embraced yourself you might be less angry
Step 1 to happiness: love thy self
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
10:02 pm
getalife,
braille screen.
Josef
April 1st, 2012
10:03 pm
Don’t forget
There are no diabetics on his Cherokee side…his is type 1 adult onset and so are some of his relatives (adult onset). That is, I think, one of the characteristics being documented.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:04 pm
Enter your comments here
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:04 pm
Thank you Satan
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:05 pm
So many errors
Trials and tribulations of a Braille computer
getalife
April 1st, 2012
10:05 pm
Satan,
I prefer to embrace my woman and there is no anger from me.
Josef
April 1st, 2012
10:05 pm
Don’t forget…
That’s your clue, all right…okay, now, why did some groups have survival rates several times higher than others?
getalife
April 1st, 2012
10:07 pm
frog,
So jm uses two hands to embrace his computer?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
10:07 pm
Betty who cares about the how old the pictures of Martin were? There were also pictures of Zimmerman when he graduated from high school. why aren’t upset about that?
doom youroutrage about my bias is freaking hilarious — YOU who come on the blog and repeat every vile racist and ridiculous thing you hear have the nerve to callsomeone else bias? How can you type crap like that without falling out in fits of laughter?
Who said that? Actually a black man who looked to be in his mid 40s who was a friend of Z and who openly defended him in a television interview. He was actually a pretty powerful defender of Z.
Yes i know who you’re talking about — he was asked by Jane Velez Mitchell when was the last time he had seen and/or spent time with his supposed great fried zimmerman and they guy had said about 6 months ago — at a neighborhood function. Wow!! He’s really a GREAT friend!!
Also Velez-mithcell asked him how he had so much time to go from interview to interview all over the state, his response? NONE –he changed thesubject.
As you are sooooo skeptical of Trrayvon, perhaps you should be just as skeptical of a man who claims to be someone’s good friend; but haven’t seen or spoken with him in 6 months.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
10:07 pm
“So what you’re saying is that there aren’t any affluent black neighborhoods that any white person would want to rob? Really? Atlanta, (Lithonia) has the second highest average (besides this city in Maryland); of black millionaires in the nation.”
Nope. I sold a highly profitable policy to a wealthy black man one year younger than me that lives off of Niskey Lake Blvd in southwest Atlanta. Overwhelmingly black, wealthy, and a freaking great thing to see black Americans hitting it big and giving hope to the rest. Been to Lithonia several times but haven’t seen much money there but if your stats are true then I believe you. I just think that there are some areas of great black wealth off Cascade and one other area of ATL that escapes me at the moment.
My point is simple. In a black neighborhood like Niskey Lake if you were a white burglar you would look kinda outta place in an almost black neighborhood. Its the same reason cops profile and nab white folks in their 20s driving into black neighborhoods in the middle of the night to buy drugs. Would it not strike a cop as odd to see a group of white guys going into a black neighborhood known for drug dealing? Why in the hell would a white burglar target niskey lake if he can target buckhead and not look as out of place?
Enlighten me on all these eyewitnesses who suddenly are showing up on behalf of Trayvon 30 days later? Of course his girlfriend wasn’t an eyewitness. She was an earwitness. And I don’t say that to discount her version of events. Just saying that she wasn’t physically there. The one eyewitness that I know of came out, saw the two of them on the ground with Trayvon on top pounding Z, and stated Z was yelling “help me, help me”. Now if there are 2 other witnesses just now coming forward to say they saw something from a bedroom window in the dark then that has to be accounted for but I would like to hear what they had to say if you had it. And I would like to know why they came forward so late.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
Satan: “Getalife, if you embraced yourself you might be less angry”
Braille condom?
sorry, that’s just wrong.
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
Jm,
Satan likes your style.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
Getalife
Mind. Out. Of. Gutter.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
10:09 pm
Debbie, because they are misrepresenting the “facts”.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
10:10 pm
Perhaps we should leave jm and his computer alone or ask them to get a rooom.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:10 pm
Moonbat
U too
Hit mind reset button
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:11 pm
Getalife
Me and myself are already in a room
Jm-2
April 1st, 2012
10:12 pm
I is joining me and myself later
Threesome
Mind boggling
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
10:12 pm
getalife,
yep. embracing himself
causes misunderstandings.
probably why Jay won’t
talk to him.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:13 pm
Frog. U and getalife seem to get along swell
barking frog
April 1st, 2012
10:14 pm
Jm,
mind toggling.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
10:15 pm
what “facts” does a picture of the victim and a picture of the shooter misrepresent?
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:15 pm
“mind toggling”
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
Satan
April 1st, 2012
10:02 pm
“Braille computer screen”
It’s awesome
So you can get porn on em huh,
Satan
April 1st, 2012
10:17 pm
Braille porn is not available in stores
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:19 pm
“Braille porn”
Sick
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
10:19 pm
Debbie, the picture was a dishonest representation. period.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
10:21 pm
Further doubt emerged Thursday over the circumstances of Florida teen Trayvon Martin’s murder, as the mother of a young witness said her son was “pressured” by police and another onlooker cast doubt on killer George Zimmerman’s claims.
An unnamed witness speaking on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360″ said the entirety of the scuffle he saw between the two took place on grass, challenging Zimmerman’s claim that Martin had smashed his head against a sidewalk after punching him in the face — causing him to shoot the 17-year-old dead in self-defense.
In reference to the size difference between 28-year-old Zimmerman and Martin, the witness described the fight as being between a “larger man” and a “boy.” While the witness said he was not able to see who was on top of the other as the two scuffled, he said “there wasn’t a lot of movement” immediately before he heard a gunshot.
Zimmerman “didn’t appear hurt” as he walked away, he added, and he didn’t see any blood on him.
Meanwhile, the mother of a 13-year-old who also witnessed the killing told the New York Daily News that when Sanford police interviewed her son eight days after the incident, they “pressured” him to give more detail than he recalled.
The youngster, Austin Brown, had been referenced by police as having seen Martin on top of Zimmerman during the fight, but his mother, Cheryl, said he saw only one person lying on the grass and could not identify them.
“He kept telling them he couldn’t see anything because it was too dark,” she said. “He said he couldn’t see the race or anything. He never saw a second person.
“Then they asked him if he saw what the man was wearing. They gave him a multiple choice question and gave him three colors. He said, ‘I think it was red.’ Knowing my son, I believe he felt pressured to give the color.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-witness-casts-doubt-on-shooters-self-defense-claims/#ixzz1qqULMVZ7
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:24 pm
America burns
Trayvon is center stage
And he will not even be a footnote in history
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
10:24 pm
betty of whom, since there were pictures of both Martin & Zimmerman that were, 5 years in Martin’s case; and about 10 in the case of Zimmerman.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
10:24 pm
Debbie, the real truth on this will never come out.
Believe what you want from all the posers.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
10:26 pm
“Yes i know who you’re talking about — he was asked by Jane Velez Mitchell when was the last time he had seen and/or spent time with his supposed great fried zimmerman and they guy had said about 6 months ago — at a neighborhood function. Wow!! He’s really a GREAT friend!!”
My best friend I haven’t seen in nearly 2 years although he lives only 3 hours away in B’ham. Does that mean I don’t know him any less well? And this man had known Z for a good 6 years. And I went out for drinks the other night with a friend I hadn’t seen since 1995 but whom I still consider a good friend. Why? Cause he lives in Cincy. People have lives and hectic schedules. You know that.
“Also Velez-mithcell asked him how he had so much time to go from interview to interview all over the state, his response? NONE –he changed thesubject.”
Reminds me of Sandra Fluke. Her and her friends can’t afford $9 a month for birth control but she sure as hell can travel all over the country doing interviews.
“YOU who come on the blog and repeat every vile racist and ridiculous thing you hear have the nerve to callsomeone else bias?”
Soooo everything I say in defense of this man is automatically racist and biased. And everything you say is completely unbiased? BTW I never said Z is innocent unlike you who said flat out that he is guilty of murder. I am simply saying one thing only. That there are 2 sides to every store and that the rush to judgement and conviction in the court of opinion regarding Z is nothing short of sickening.
And BTW Debbie if you go back and look at Jay’s first article on this you will see that I was one of the first people stating that was Z did was wrong and that he was guilty as hell. The problem? I didn’t have all the facts because the media reporting on this was so biased as was I. As the facts emerged I then began to change my opinion. He may well be guilty but knowing what I know now its sick to see people just openly willing to crucify the man without even hearing his side of the story. You have lost all reason, perspective, and rationale on the topic and it seems to me you are looking at it purely from the racial angle. And I think that’s just unfortunate.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
10:27 pm
Josef
April 1st, 2012
10:05 pm
Don’t forget…
That’s your clue, all right…okay, now, why did some groups have survival rates several times higher than others?
Well the most obvious answer is that it was trichinosis and the simplest explanation would be how thoroughly they prepared their meats since adequate cooking removes the risk of disease. Is that it?
Josef
April 1st, 2012
10:34 pm
Both
Not Freudian…damned iPad autocorrect…
Forget…
Nope on both counts…
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:34 pm
Yeah. Good job sup
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/aps-to-close-10-1403886.html
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
10:37 pm
My best friend I haven’t seen in nearly 2 years although he lives only 3 hours away in B’ham.
If you and your best friend lived in the SAME NEIGHBORHOOD would the time difference between meetings be a little more frequent? Just asking……
Reminds me of Sandra Fluke. Her and her friends can’t afford $9 a month for birth control but she sure as hell can travel all over the country doing interviews.
Hey!!! Doom!! Pay attention!!! Not the subject!!! You’ve already voiced your misogynistic views on that!!! New subject!!!
BTW I never said Z is innocent unlike you who said flat out that he is guilty of murder.
That’s because I actually READ the law that Zimmerman is basing his defense on. I’m not even in Criminal Law and I could get him convicted on the merits of the law alone………that is with a good investigation. Something that didn’t happen in the Martin case. All they did was try to cover up the big mess that the Keystone Cops left.
And perhaps i have lost all reason — you get that way when you realize that a child died for no other reason than that he was walking in a neighborhood. I get kinda upset about things like that. SHame on YOU that you don’t.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
10:38 pm
Scout,
A decision not to prosecute/indict without a doubt. There would be too much distrust that evidence was being held back. The most important thing is that there be openess and thoroughness. My sense is that the family is reasonable and simply feels that the authorities didn’t care enough about their son to really scrutinize the situation. And if I were in their shoes I would feel the same way. If this is given the kind of attention it deserves I could see the family urging calm. Not sure how others might react, especially with a fairly long history of controversial cases but I read the family as reasonable people who simply want what anyone would want. It’s the long wait and uncertainty that has allowed this to clearly fester.
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
10:42 pm
“And perhaps i have lost all reason — you get that way when you realize that a child died for no other reason than that he was walking in a neighborhood.”
Obviously, it’s emotional and not fact driven for you, like most others in this case.
Riot on, Debbie.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
10:45 pm
Thulsa did you see my 9:53?
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
10:48 pm
“as the mother of a young witness said her son was “pressured” by police and another onlooker cast doubt on killer George Zimmerman’s claims.”
Really? And you believe that? That her son was “pressured” by the cops? The same cops whose lead investigator told the DA that they should prosecute Z? That doesn’t make any sense.
“In reference to the size difference between 28-year-old Zimmerman and Martin, the witness described the fight as being between a “larger man” and a “boy.” While the witness said he was not able to see who was on top of the other as the two scuffled, he said “there wasn’t a lot of movement” immediately before he heard a gunshot.”
“Zimmerman “didn’t appear hurt” as he walked away, he added, and he didn’t see any blood on him.”
Debbiedoright,
Lemme get this straight. Its dark enough that he can’t tell who was on top of the other. He couldn’t see a lot of movement before the gunshot. Did it occur to you that perhaps T was choking Z out or had him in such a hold that Z was losing breath and thinking he was going to die? And I find it curious. Its dark and the eyewitness said he couldn’t even tell who was on top. But then you point out that when Z walked away the witness made point of the fact that he couldn’t see any blood on Z. And you expected him to see blood which is dark anyway on a dark night when he can’t even tell who is on top? Are you serious debbie? You can’t even see the inconsistency of what you posted?
And if Z walked away appearing unhurt did you ever consider that it was his adrenaline rush enabling him to do so? As for no blood on Z do you believe the eyewiteness who couldn’t even identify who was on top about there being no blood when the police report clearly mentions blood? And the cops got flashlights, etc.
Think about the eyewitness testimony and the police report Debbie. The police report if I remember correctly said Z’s back was wet from the grass. Who do you think was on top? And if Z had a laceration on the back of his head who do you think was on top? How do you get a laceration “on the back of the head?” And if I remember correctly I think the police said in the report that Z had blood on his face. Looking at the evidence its fairly safe to say Z was the one on his back. As for the mother stating the police were “pressuring” their son into testimony beneficial to Z that is completely and totally BS. They were just trying to get him to remember as well as he could what actually happened given the severity of what just happened? Is there a problem with that? Getting to the bottom of things?
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
10:48 pm
Josef, well you may have me stumped. Lets try this. Was it a infectious disease? Otherwise I’d have to guess it was crop destruction and perhaps some groups were less affected if they relied on hunting more than others. There are no animal vectors for smallpox so it isn’t that.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
10:48 pm
And before one of you conservatrons say something like, “but, but but he was suspended from school 3 TIMES…..”
Please remember he had never been suspended for being violent AND the best part, drum roll please, at the time of his death he hadn’t stolen anything (he actually bought the Skittles and iced tea); he hadn’t bothered anyone AND he hadn’t done ANYTHING to merit being followed, being harassed, and being detained.
This is after all AMERICA – where there is a high preponderance of the belief that someone is innocent until you can prove them guilty. Walking in a neighborhood, trying to get home, does not make you guilty.
And if Doom once again brings up about the burglaries in the neighborhood, let me remind him, AGAIN that Martin didn’t commit them. And if walking in a neighborhood gives someone the right to kill you, ya’ll better watch where you walk from this day forth.
Anywhoooooo, Doom you never said if you’re going to take the bet. I’m willing to stand behind my convictions. Are you?
They BOTH suck
April 1st, 2012
10:50 pm
josef
I’m the worst typist on here, however I figured I would have a little fun…………
Everyone have a great night
Josef
April 1st, 2012
10:53 pm
Forget
Swine flu….but, why did some groups have such higher survival rates?
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
10:54 pm
“That’s because I actually READ the law that Zimmerman is basing his defense on.”
Well than you might want to pass on your expertise to the DA. Because the DA who actually examined the case, and who actually knows FL. law better than you, did not beleive he or she could get a conviction in the case based upon the law. Apparently you know something that the DA does not know. Come clean with it since you are smarter than the Fl. DA and you are more of an expertise on Fl. law than the Fl. DA. Enlighten us as to what you know that the DA’s office does not know. We are waiting…
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
10:55 pm
Debbie, you don’t know what the fk really happened.
All you know is a 50% white guy killed a 17 year old black man/boy.
And that’s all anyone needs to know right?
acer706
April 1st, 2012
10:55 pm
Without evidence there is not a case. I’m sorry.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
10:56 pm
“Jim Cramer is like the jar jar binks of CNBC”
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
10:57 pm
“This is after all AMERICA – where there is a high preponderance of the belief that someone is innocent until you can prove them guilty.”
And you are proving that with every post in assuming Zimmerman’s guilt which you are on record as openly and blatantly assuming not once but several times.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
10:59 pm
Betty – no one has rioted. I’m amazed at you Betty. When the tea partyers were out and about disturbing traffic and causing thousands in cops pay to guard them, you called that “right to assemble” and “their right to speak out for an injustice”. But when a bunch of people speak out about the Martin case all of a sudden it’s a RIOT?
Your words are speaking really, really loud about your bias betty — as a matter of fact is deafening.
Doom — so NOW you don’t believe the MOTHER of the kid whom the cops put down as a witness AND came to interview 8 days after the incident? A-Feakin-MAZING!! And you have the NERVE to say that I’m biased?
Are you for real? Seriously?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
Debbie, you don’t know what the fk really happened.
All you know is a 50% white guy killed a 17 year old black man/boy.
And that’s all anyone needs to know right?
Show me a post where i mentioned race Betty? you were the only one, besides recon on this blog to mention race.
Race seems to be an issue for YOU not me — don’t project your attitudes on race relations on me. that’s YOUR problem not mine.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
“And if Doom once again brings up about the burglaries in the neighborhood, let me remind him, AGAIN that Martin didn’t commit them. And if walking in a neighborhood gives someone the right to kill you, ya’ll better watch where you walk from this day forth.”
No one is arguing that walking in the neighborhood gives someone the right to kill you. Of course it doesn’t. What we are asking about is did Z try to walk away from T after confronting him and did T then become the aggressor in attacking Z- giving Z the right to self defense if he was attacked after walking away from the situation. That is the central question- one which your hyperbole and emotional rhetoric completely disregards. This is what it comes down to Debbie.
“Anywhoooooo, Doom you never said if you’re going to take the bet. I’m willing to stand behind my convictions. Are you?”
Which bet? And can you prove your side of the bet? I suspect that you are talking about do you know out of 100 black men how many tutor disadvantaged black kids on the weekends? Keep in mind that I’m talking about black men in general. Not you cherry picking 100 black men straight from bbbs which obviously is a bs way of skewing results.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
11:05 pm
Funny how all our cons know zimm is not guilty.
Then they quote Pat Buchanan.
Your words give your racism away.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
11:06 pm
Don’t Forget @ 10:38
I agree with you as to which would be worse.
However, I have my doubt about a conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt).
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:06 pm
Doom Florida’s SPECIAL PROSECUTOR seems to think she has a pretty good case building against Zimmerman. Do you believe her?
Jm
April 1st, 2012
11:07 pm
Getalife
I know zimm is an idiot
That’s about all I know so far
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
11:09 pm
Josef,
Swine flu crossed my mind but I wondered how they would know that or even that that allele was even around back then. Generally a higher survival from a virus would be from exposure to a similar agent. For example, you’ve heard the old expression “she has the complexion of a mild maid”, well that was because milk maids were exposed to cow pox and were much less vulnerable to small pox and the resulting disfigurement. Difference’s in the receptor for the virus could do it, as in Magic Johnson but I doubt that here.
Billybob
April 1st, 2012
11:10 pm
until the citizens once again hold their elected officials to the highest standards and elect individuals based on character, these things will continue to happen……..conservatives started that movement in nov 2010 and will continue that with independents and reagan democrats in nov 2012……….now jay, maybe you can write an ethics piece on the passage of obamacare or the dodd/frank bill and then you can have a seat at the ethics table
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
11:10 pm
“When the tea partyers were out and about disturbing traffic and causing thousands in cops pay to guard them, you called that “right to assemble” and “their right to speak out for an injustice”.”
The tea party paid their permit fees which compensates the city for the cost of their peaceful protests. Can you please point out to me where and how often the OWS protesters paid their’s? And specifically how much in fees did the ows protestors pay to restore Woodruff park after they trashed it to the tune of a couple hundred thousand dollars of repairs?
getalife
April 1st, 2012
11:11 pm
I believe her Debbie.
There will be justice and our cons are wrong as usual.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
11:13 pm
Scout,
Cases with racial tones aren’t the only ones that people get upset about too. Remember there were thousands of folks who were completely absorbed by the Kaylee Anthony case (if I remember that right), hundreds of people outside the courtroom and many were extremely upset without any racial tones whatsoever. This will all come down to how it’s handled, IMO.
getalife
April 1st, 2012
11:14 pm
bilbob,
You are late to the party pal.
Progressives have been purging corrupt dems for a decade.
Better late than never.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:14 pm
Doom you can read – go back in the blog and find the post. Also find the post where I mentioned about already knowing 70/100 black men who give back, foster, yada yada yada.
Josef
April 1st, 2012
11:15 pm
Forget…
Think antibodies…who would have them and why? The milkmaid one needs to be discarded here…
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
11:16 pm
Debbie,
We’ll see. Who appointed her? I’m kinda curious as to why the original DA thought the case was unwinnable but all of a sudden a special prosecutor thinks it is. Politics debbie. Pure and simple.
Black people want blood and if they don’t get what they have already is decided is the correct outcome then riots will ensue. It is a racially based threat that politicians now take seriously after the LA riots. Don’t give mob lynching black people what they want in a politically charged trial and they will burn their own neighborhoods. But at least it revives the dying race pimping industry of Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
Billybob
April 1st, 2012
11:17 pm
getalife meet charlie brown’s teacher…….
Josef
April 1st, 2012
11:17 pm
Gotta run…
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
11:17 pm
“When the tea partyers were out and about disturbing traffic and causing thousands in cops pay to guard them, you called that “right to assemble” and “their right to speak out for an injustice”. But when a bunch of people speak out about the Martin case all of a sudden it’s a RIOT?”
Apples and oranges, Debbie.
And show me where I said that…
Thank you.
Whitey is not making it a racial issue.
Open up your eyes.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
11:17 pm
Booooo UK basketball fans
Unacceptable
Jm
April 1st, 2012
11:18 pm
I love capitalism
http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2012-03/video-blind-driver-takes-googles-autonomous-car-spin
They BOTH suck
April 1st, 2012
11:20 pm
Who is “Whitey” and how does he play a role in this case?
Is he one of the cops, the DA, a witness, maybe the paramedic who tended to Zimmerman?
Who is this person?
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
11:21 pm
“Who is “Whitey” and how does he play a role in this case? ”
He doesn’t and that is the point…
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:21 pm
Doom!! Concentrate!!! We’re not talking about OWS!! Stop moving the bar!!
getalife – Word.
Don't Forget
April 1st, 2012
11:22 pm
Josef,
Ah, so the groups that had been exposed to influenza from the Europeans would have partial immunity. That’s gotta be it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
April 1st, 2012
11:23 pm
Headline: “Tom Goldstein, publisher of SCOTUSblog, said at a POLITICO Pro briefing just before last week’s oral arguments.
‘And so, a lot of things that Congress does that maybe framers of the Constitution would have thought are beyond what the true regulation of interstate commerce is — but which the modern Supreme Court has blessed — would be back on the table,’ Goldstein added.”
Good grief ! A good definition of UNCONSTITUTIONAL if I ever heard one.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74701.html#ixzz1qqk2sans
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
11:23 pm
Debbiedoright,
If you choose to skew the results and cherry pick and can grab 100 black men from bbbs then you win. If you can grab 100 black men at random and ask if they volunteer on weekends to teach poor black children then I win. Its great if you can cherry pick to validate your claim. I’ll give you an intersting tidbit that T said to me when I asked him why he and other white men usually get paired with black children in bbbs. He, being a liberal white Democrat, looked at me like I was effing stupid and said “Black men don’t take care of their own kids. What the eff makes you think they are going to take care of another black man’s child?”
Doomy is rarely at a loss for words. After that statement Doomy was speechless.
They BOTH suck
April 1st, 2012
11:23 pm
moonbat
Thanks……… I thought it was someone whom I had not heard of since this case has been in the news
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
11:24 pm
good night gentle souls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p5yzdCa2GE
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
11:33 pm
Don’t forget,
If you are still up I got your 9:53. Medically above my head to where I will have to read it a couple times to fully get it but fascinating nonetheless.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
11:33 pm
Hilarious
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/30/the-real-story-behind-the-speeding-batman/#continued
getalife
April 1st, 2012
11:34 pm
Just the facts bilbob.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
11:34 pm
UK fans? Collective jackasses of the week.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:36 pm
Doom: We’ll see. Who appointed her? I’m kinda curious as to why the original DA thought the case was unwinnable but all of a sudden a special prosecutor thinks it is. Politics debbie. Pure and simple.
The governor appointed her and look to td’s comment on why the original prosecutor didn’t think the case was winnable.
Black people want blood and if they don’t get what they have already is decided is the correct outcome then riots will ensue. It is a racially based threat that politicians now take seriously after the LA riots. Don’t give mob lynching black people what they want in a politically charged trial and they will burn their own neighborhoods. But at least it revives the dying race pimping industry of Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
A) There were black, white, purple, gold, burnt orange, crimson, yellow, blue and green people marching. Perhaps your television is like that kid who saw dead people and you can only see black ones.
B) You guys sure love to bring up Al and Jesse; no matter the subject, if black people are involved; you drag out your tired old Al and Jesse arguments. To save time, I’ll just ignore it. Makes no sense for me to follow your lead and keep saying the same things again and again and again and again and……….well…….you get the picture……….
Betty: Apples and oranges, Debbie. And show me where I said that…
Ok. Try this. Look here and here
Thank you.
You’re welcome.
Whitey is not making it a racial issue.
Well YOU sure are. You can’t seem to take RACE out of your comments or out of the equation. I’m still trying to figure out WHY.
Open up your eyes.
Back at ya.
Jm
April 1st, 2012
11:38 pm
Challenger attorneys whipped the SG butt
Jm
April 1st, 2012
11:38 pm
Doom. Agree. Jail time.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:41 pm
He, being a liberal white Democrat, looked at me like I was effing stupid and said “Black men don’t take care of their own kids. What the eff makes you think they are going to take care of another black man’s child?”
from all the black men like my father, grand, uncles, brothers and cousins on their behalf (oh and SoCoBro too); my answer to your little story is BUSHSh##t.
Hope you enjoyed it.
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:43 pm
dang! the links didn’t take — 2nd try.
Ok. Try this. Look here and here
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:47 pm
Well Doom since you won’t take me up on my offer,and since I have work in the morning. Goodnight.
Give ‘em hell getalife – see you later.
Whitey
April 1st, 2012
11:49 pm
Wazzup?
DebbieDoRight - Doing The Right Thing
April 1st, 2012
11:51 pm
oh and betty – since the links didn’t work – here ya go!! Don’t thank me, I do this to enlighten the masses……….
moonbat betty
April 1st, 2012
10:42 pm
“And perhaps i have lost all reason — you get that way when you realize that a child died for no other reason than that he was walking in a neighborhood.”
Obviously, it’s emotional and not fact driven for you, like most others in this case.
Riot on, Debbie.
Thulsa Doom
April 1st, 2012
11:57 pm
“There were black, white, purple, gold, burnt orange, crimson, yellow, blue and green people marching. Perhaps your television is like that kid who saw dead people and you can only see black ones.’
Yep. I did see many a white liberal protesting as to what they thought was an injustice. Now as far as rioting, looting, etc. well now that’s a whole different matter isn’t it? Or were those mostly white faces pulling Reginald Denny from his truck cab and nearly beating him to death?
2)”You guys sure love to bring up Al and Jesse; no matter the subject, if black people are involved; you drag out your tired old Al and Jesse arguments.’
I’m sorry Debbie but I just deal in reality in my little world. And from what I see on TV these 2 buffoons are without question leading the charge going after mr. Z. Not every black person finds these 2 buffoons credible thank God. But how in the hell the majority of 40 million people can show these 2 clowns as being their de facto leaders is mind boggling. Forget white people. What in the eff do you think people from India or people of East Asian descent think of black people when they see these 2 complete clowns as having such a prolific voice in the community?
“from all the black men like my father, grand, uncles, brothers and cousins on their behalf (oh and SoCoBro too); my answer to your little story is BUSHSh##t.”
“Hope you enjoyed it.”
Hyper inflated rhetorica and reality are 2 different things. And while you extol the virtues of the few black men trying to make a difference you say nothing of the millions of black men making babies without giving a damn about actually parenting their kids. A nearly 70% out of wedlock birthrate tells me your community needs to get their shyte together. You can’t blame careless disregard for fathering numerous babies out of wedlock on whitey. Or maybe you can. And will.
Tea Party
April 1st, 2012
11:58 pm
“Obviously, it’s emotional and not fact driven for you, like most others in this case.”
Tribal litmus test.
White Latino
April 2nd, 2012
12:01 am
We just get no respect. No love.
The worst is for my cousin who is half black, a quarter white and a quarter Latino.
Then there’s my aunt. Where does she fit?
She’s 1/8 German, 1/8 Irish, 1/4 black, 1/4 Latino, and 1/4 Asian. Oy.
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:03 am
She’s 1/8 German, 1/8 Irish, 1/4 black, 1/4 Latino, and 1/4 Asian. Oy
______
Oy? And you are also Jewish?
Goldman
April 2nd, 2012
12:03 am
Race and color is so passé.
The only color that counts in the game of life is green. You either got it or you don’t.
Get with the program people.
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:04 am
Amazing how people can argue so hard about something they know nothing about.
White Latino
April 2nd, 2012
12:04 am
Jewish peeps have not copyrighted “Oy”
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:07 am
White Latino
________
Well, they should have while they had the chance.
White Latino
April 2nd, 2012
12:08 am
Oscar
Disney probably owns it
But I’m part Chinese so I don’t care about copyrights
Thulsa Doom
April 2nd, 2012
12:10 am
Oscar,
What I dont know about the guilt or inncence of Z I am freely willing to admit. What disturbs me is the surety of those who claim with absolute positivity of his guilt under current law.
As for everything else in my various comments to which you might disagree please post what it would specifically be and why and Ill try and answer before i zonk out for the night.
White Latino
April 2nd, 2012
12:13 am
I’m an idiot, but I’m American mother f’ers
Stop looking at skin color
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:16 am
hulsa Doom
__________
I was not talking about you and I don’t believe you have said anything I disagree with.
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:19 am
White Latino
__________
Who you calling an mF
White Latino
April 2nd, 2012
12:21 am
Nobody.
White Latino
April 2nd, 2012
12:22 am
Anyone who cares about the color of my skin.
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:25 am
White Latino
_______
Good answer.
MLK
April 2nd, 2012
12:25 am
For both sides:
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:26 am
Both of them
MLK
April 2nd, 2012
12:27 am
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:29 am
MLK
________
You should have been here sooner.
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:29 am
MLK
________
You should have been here sooner.
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:30 am
Where is the trust?
MLK
April 2nd, 2012
12:33 am
In need of amending
“I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit together at the table of brotherhood.”
MLK
April 2nd, 2012
12:35 am
Oscar. Agreed. But a crazy white guy killed me. And now we have second rate guys at the helm.
MLK
April 2nd, 2012
12:36 am
Goodnight and god bless
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:37 am
MLK
________
I met you one time a long time ago. You probably don’t remember. And you are right about second rate guys.
Oscar
April 2nd, 2012
12:37 am
Not many people left alive who can say that.
Monday open thread | Blog for Democracy
April 2nd, 2012
4:22 am
[...] This piece by Jay Bookman is getting a lot of play, and for good reason. An appalling lesson in ethics and the Ga. Legislature [...]
stands for decibels
April 2nd, 2012
6:08 am
mornin’.
Saw Jay’s post awhile ago–too depressing for me to comment on earlier. But it seems to me that the root of all this jackassery is our expectations of our lawmakers.
We don’t pay them to be full timers; what do we expect in return?
Let’s not be half-assed about this, I say. Let’s think big.
Georgia could save a lot of money by electing not to pay their law enforcement officials, either. Police could simply choose to enforce the laws that were in their own personal interest to enforce, and they could fund-raise the same way our lawmakers do.
And it’d be ok with me because I can’ remember the last time I actually needed a cop; if I ever do, I’ll just keep a few c-notes around if it’s something that needs doing on the spot–if it’s a big deal, that’d just be considered a down payment. I’ve got a trustworthy face.
Whaddayallthink?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
April 2nd, 2012
7:52 am
There’s a certain humorous irony in our elected Georgia officials
obvious committment to keeping us Number 1 on the list of ethically challenged states.
Isn’t that special.
independent thinker
April 2nd, 2012
10:29 pm
I knew it – the illiterate redneck rascists did what I expected in this blog- blame it on Obama! We have totally corrupt circus clowns in the state legislature because the average legislator in this state has an IQ of 50 and is only interested in keeping women pregant, barefoot and under men’s control and making sure any bill the NRA writes gets passed while porking out on lobbyist’s gifts. Sound like the same old circus under the gold dome.
Quit protesting for protesting’s sake : The Inky Finger
April 5th, 2012
8:36 am
[...] hours of the most recent legislative session, Georgia lawmakers apparently tried to remove even the last bit of ethical oversight in one of the shakiest, most appalling bits of politics I’ve seen in a [...]