If ObamaCare dies, what then?

It’s June, and the heart of ObamaCare, the individual mandate, has just been struck down by the Supreme Court in a 5-4 vote.

What now?

In discussions today, the justices will hear debate about whether they can kill the mandate and leave the rest of the legislation intact, or whether the entire structure comes tumbling down without the mandate.

That legal debate aside, as a practical matter I think it’s clear that without the mandate, insurance companies cannot be required to cover pre-existing conditions, which goes to the heart of what health-insurance reform is supposed to achieve.

If individuals can go without insurance as long as they’re healthy, then force the insurance companies to cover them when they get ill, the whole concept of insurance goes out the window. It is no longer sustainable. That’s precisely why the Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, among others, embraced and pushed the mandate approach.

So again, what happens if the mandate disappears?

In the two years since ObamaCare was signed into law, congressional Republicans have campaigned on a policy of “repeal and replace.” In truth, they have made no real attempt to do either.

If the court rules against ObamaCare, of course, “repeal” becomes moot and attention turns to the “replace” part of the problem. Replace it with what?

As I’ve noted before, when I had the chance to discuss the issue with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, neither could offer even the slightest idea for how to solve the problem without a mandate. That is also true for the Republican Party as a whole.

What little thinking they’ve done on the issue seems to coalesce around the idea that the problem in health care is third-party insurance, whether acquired through private companies or through the government. The philosophy seems to be that if people are forced to pay out of their own pockets for health care, instead of relying on other parties to pay for it, market forces will once again come into play and the health-care market will begin to behave more like the market for wheat or automobiles.

Theoretically, it makes sense. But people don’t live theoretically. Theory doesn’t explain how a family can pay for one child’s apendectomy and another child’s broken leg out of its own resources. It doesn’t explain how an elderly couple on a fixed income can pay for their medicine and doctor visits. Pristine economic models don’t begin to get us where we need to be.

If ObamaCare is overturned, the fundamental questions that we were all asking three or four years ago will once again come to the forefront:

Is health care a human right, or can it be denied to those who are unable to pay for it? If you want to bring market forces to bear on the problem, you pretty much have to take the second approach. But so far we have been unwilling to embrace it. The Reagan-era law requiring emergency rooms to treat patients regardless of ability to pay still stands as de facto acceptance that health care is a right.

And if health care is a right — if we are not willing to deny health care to those unable to pay for it — how will we as a nation and society cover those costs? ObamaCare attempts to provide an answer to that question. If that answer proves unacceptable to a majority on the U.S. Supreme Court, what’s the next answer?

Come June, that could become a powerful question in a presidential campaign that will be hitting its full stride right about then.

– Jay Bookman

891 comments Add your comment

HDB

March 28th, 2012
8:41 am

Paul Ryan’s plan is nothing more than Obamacare….the problem has always been that a Democrat took a Republican idea and went forward with it…..

All the GOP has ever wanted to do is to sabotage Obama rather than work with the man….

HDB

March 28th, 2012
8:43 am

Here’s what Ryan proposed:
•Provides transparency in health care price and quality data, making this critical information readily available before someone needs health services.
•Creates state-based health care exchanges, so individuals and families have a one-stop marketplace to purchase affordable health insurance without being discriminated against based on pre-existing conditions.
•Equips states with tools like auto-enrollment programs and high-risk pools, so affordable health coverage can be accessed by all.
•Addresses health care’s growing strain on small businesses, by allowing them to pool together nationally to offer coverage to their employees.
•Encourages the adoption of health information technology and assists states in establishing solutions to medical malpractice litigation.

Looks just like Obamacare…………

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=8516

Mother of Two

March 28th, 2012
8:45 am

If I am not able to keep my college kids on my insurance, this will be devastating for us.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 28th, 2012
8:45 am

SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM!!!

All aboard Medicare …

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2012
8:46 am

If ObamaCare dies, what then?

The GOP has pushed this country towards a single payer system. There’s no other way to guarantee coverage for pre-existing conditions and keep people from being dropped. I think there were some who were so focused on the short term idea of repealing the Democratic Party plan that they didn’t look forward enough to see what the true implications would be. Do you think that people who were unable to get insurance before and have it now are going to be willing to give it up without a fight?

N-GA

March 28th, 2012
8:47 am

If the GOP actually proposes a reasonable alternative (unlikely), will the Dems vote for it????

Georgia on my mind...

March 28th, 2012
8:48 am

Common Sense

March 28th, 2012
8:49 am

It’s left back to the states where it belongs, and if you do not like what your state is doing, then move.

And if Obamacare dies, this country just might survive. Otherwise the US Constitution is a foot note in history.

Peadawg

March 28th, 2012
8:50 am

“So again, what happens if the mandate disappears?”

Go back to the drawing board and come up with something that doesn’t force Americans to buy a private product.

Steve

March 28th, 2012
8:50 am

It’s time for single payer, and supplemental private health insurance for Cadillac coverage beyond that.

George Walton

March 28th, 2012
8:51 am

If ObamaCare dies, what then?
.
Nothing.
The relentless assault by government to control your life will continue.
And you Republocrats will beg for it.
.
Thank God for Ron Paul.
He ignited a fire that will NOT be extinguished.
.
We own ourselves.
.
Washington……..bugger off.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 28th, 2012
8:52 am

“doesn’t force Americans to buy a private product.”

see my 8:45

Jay

March 28th, 2012
8:53 am

“come up with something” is not an answer, Peadawg.

Generation$crewed

March 28th, 2012
8:54 am

Mother of Two
March 28th, 2012
8:45 am

If they are full time students taking 12 hrs or more, they would have been covered before Obamacare, they will be covered if it is removed.

So keep them enrolled full-time and you will not be devastated

Aquagirl

March 28th, 2012
8:54 am

It’s left back to the states where it belongs, and if you do not like what your state is doing, then move.

That’s your response for the Party Of No? Simply posting “Obama 2012!!!!” would have saved you some typing.

Jay

March 28th, 2012
8:55 am

“And if Obamacare dies, this country just might survive.”

Oy, the melodrama.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2012
8:58 am

Medicare for all. It’s what’s for dinner!

gadem

March 28th, 2012
8:59 am

Republicans are a self hating bunch…

A question

March 28th, 2012
8:59 am

Once it is struck down, liberals will kick and scream and pitch fits. Saying things like its our right to force somebody to do something for us for free!

JF McNamara

March 28th, 2012
9:00 am

If ObamaCare dies, what then?

Your insurance premium will double in the next 5 years.

Steve

March 28th, 2012
9:01 am

We couldn’t even get a public option. What we are debating right now is a boon for capitalism, and the Republicans are still knocking it down (their original idea, Romney’s plan) only because of partisan hatred for Obama and the Dems. Now the SCOTUS will likely knock it down, forcing us closer to single payer. It’s amazing how things work out for good in the end :)

Soothsayer

March 28th, 2012
9:02 am

apendectomy (sp)

appendectomy

Common Sense

March 28th, 2012
9:02 am

If the party of no means a party that follows the US Constitution, then what’s your beef?

And if you want to adopt the philosophy that we are all responsible for the expenses of our neighbors, campaign on that and see how far you get.

There either a limit on government or their isn’t.

The party of yes continues to say there is no limit.

There will be limits.

HIPPOCRIT

March 28th, 2012
9:03 am

If ObamaCare dies, what then?

then as a nation we solve the problem on a tri-partisan basis and not try left or right wing social engineering using congressional gimickery

Robert Lee

March 28th, 2012
9:04 am

While the liberals kick and scream for healthcare, the Rethugs are kicking and screaming about gay marriage and repealing abortion. Personally, I’ll side with the group concerned about taking care of people versus the group that wants to tell people how to live their lives.

(ir)Rational

March 28th, 2012
9:04 am

Bro – I find it kinda funny how you think that it is possible for people that didn’t have insurance before to have already gotten it now. The only people that has really effected is those that are still young enough to be on their parent’s insurance. The pre-existing coverage pools are still so expensive that they are cost-prohibitive to people that need to be in them. And the insurance isn’t as great as you might hope it could be. Or at least that is my experience.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2012
9:05 am

Go back to the drawing board and come up with something that doesn’t force Americans to buy a private product.

And 2 years isn’t enough time to have something in place already? It’s not like conservatives have not known that the Supreme Court would eventually make a ruling in this case. Talk about excuses for the unprepared…. And some people want them to run this country again…

JF McNamara

March 28th, 2012
9:06 am

@Jay,

If ObamaCare loses, can I sue Georgia to not pay for car insurance?

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2012
9:07 am

(ir)Rational

Not necessarily. We don’t know how many people would have been dropped that can’t be dropped now. I know that all parts of the ACA have not kicked in, but there are more people with insurance now than there would be without those provisions.

JamVet

March 28th, 2012
9:07 am

Otherwise the US Constitution is a foot note in history.

That sacred document was damn near used for toilet paper by the previous administration, yet this is the thing that the suddenly jurisprudence-minded neocons are claiming is it’s swansong?

Oy, indeed…

Aquagirl

March 28th, 2012
9:07 am

If the party of no means a party that follows the US Constitution, then what’s your beef?

Jay really needs to dust off the fainting couch for you.

Thomas

March 28th, 2012
9:07 am

Jay- It will take real men and women who are country first in DC to tackle health care, the deficit, illegal immigration, taxes, and entitlement reform etc. IT IS ALL THE SAME ISSUE

Until then you have great job security blogging about the romper room we call DC

Soothsayer

March 28th, 2012
9:07 am

Friends, we are at the mercy of the insurance companies. They basically charge you what they want. There will never be a “national health” single payer system in the U.S. because the insurance companies have bought and paid for your government just like so many other powerful interest groups. (See my next post.) No, there’s too much money to be made. So, if you’re self-employed or not covered at work and you’re over 50, good luck!

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:09 am

Medical insurance companies better hope it doesn’t get overturned, because the next option is to expand Medicare to cover everyone and increase the payroll tax to do it (while decreasing overall costs for most businesses, which they’ll love).

rightwing troll

March 28th, 2012
9:09 am

Vouchers and block grants!

Talking Head

March 28th, 2012
9:09 am

If we could move away from employer sponsored health insurance and instead have the extra income from our employers to go out and buy health insurance that is customized to our needs we would have more appropriate insurance coverage, more competitve plans/prices, lower premiums, coverage if you lose/change jobs, coverage if you move from state to state.

Obamacare doesn’t solve any problems. Insurance will continue to be expensive, inefficient in terms of coverage, and a government bureaucracy will be determining coverage and care.

Don't Tread

March 28th, 2012
9:10 am

“If ObamaCare dies, what then?”

The Supreme Court will have done its job and overturned yet another unconstitutional power grab by you libbies.

“Just another day in paradise”, as the song goes.

(ir)Rational

March 28th, 2012
9:10 am

Bro – Back that assertion up with stats? But seriously, from my experience, it hasn’t done anything yet besides give me the hope that one day I might be able to buy my wife insurance that would cover her going to the doctor.

Misty Fyed

March 28th, 2012
9:10 am

Oh my…What are we going to do if Obamacare dies?

What did we do without it before Obama? We paid for the care we received…or in the case of liberals..had someone else pay for the care we received. Or went without.

We went without cable TV or nail salons to pay for insurance if need be.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 28th, 2012
9:11 am

“If ObamaCare dies, what then?

then as a nation we solve the problem on a tri-partisan basis and not try left or right wing social engineering using congressional gimickery”

Yeah…like that’s going to happen. There is no compromise in Congress….

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:12 am

We paid for the care we received…or in the case of liberals..had someone else pay for the care we received. Or went without.

Some people really are “low information” people.

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2012
9:12 am

“And if you want to adopt the philosophy that we are all responsible for the expenses of our neighbors, campaign on that and see how far you get.”

Have you canceled ALL of your existing insurance policies? Surely you have.

JamVet

March 28th, 2012
9:13 am

Aquagirl, I could write pages and pages of information that shows just how moronic these Busbot’s claims about the GOP respecting the United States Constitution really are.

Maybe Common Sense can contact the American Bar Association (which is just loaded with Republican lawyers) and ask them why they – three times (!) – had to call GWB and his cabal on the carpet for treating that thing like their play toy…

HIPPOCRIT

March 28th, 2012
9:13 am

normal plain and simple

we are congress
we can start the process around congress
and then force congress to the will of the people

its happened time and time again in this country

its not a pretty or simple process but it works

Steve

March 28th, 2012
9:13 am

So it boils down to protecting insurance company magnates versus solving the problem of spending twice per capita what other countries pay for health care. It’s keeping the insurance companies happy instead of helping our own economy via a healthy workforce.

We are so f___ed up here.

Stonethrower

March 28th, 2012
9:14 am

Romney becomes president and we get Romneycare!

HIPPOCRIT

March 28th, 2012
9:14 am

but it takes intellectual honesty with both parties are not using

its up the the defacto third party to spearhead it

independent minded non partisans

Soothsayer

March 28th, 2012
9:14 am

America’s wars are very expensive. Bush and Obama have doubled the national debt, and the American people have no benefits from it. No riches, no bread and circuses flow to Americans from Washington’s wars. So what is it all about?

The answer is that Washington’s empire extracts resources from the American people for the benefit of the few powerful interest groups that rule America. The military-security complex, Wall Street, agri-business and the Israel Lobby use the government to extract resources from Americans to serve their profits and power. The US Constitution has been extracted in the interests of the Security State, and Americans’ incomes have been redirected to the pockets of the 1 percent. That is how the American Empire functions.

The New Empire is different. It happens without achieving conquest. The American military did not conquer Iraq and has been forced out politically by the puppet government that Washington established. There is no victory in Afghanistan, and after a decade the American military does not control the country.

In the New Empire success at war no longer matters. The extraction takes place by being at war. Huge sums of American taxpayers’ money have flowed into the American armaments industries and huge amounts of power into Homeland Security. The American empire works by stripping Americans of wealth and liberty.

This is why the wars cannot end, or if one does end another starts. Remember when Obama came into office and was asked what the US mission was in Afghanistan? He replied that he did not know what the mission was and that the mission needed to be defined.

It’s like I’ve said all along, our wars are not a means to and end, but rather, the end unto themselves.

Thank God for Paul Craig Roberts. I would lose my mind otherwise!

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:14 am

We are so f___ed up here.

True that. That we even needed a law to force insurance companies to cover non-existent “pre-existing” conditions and to not violate their own contracts on minor technicalities tells us how screwed up things were.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 28th, 2012
9:15 am

“So again, what happens if the mandate disappears?”

Then we have a GREAT Supreme Court prededent ruling to keep the federal government at bay from mandating more of our liberties away !!!

Jay

March 28th, 2012
9:17 am

Talking, that’s nice in theory. In practice, not so much.

I work for a large company — Cox Enterprises — that employs probably tens of thousands of people around the country. It buys health insurance in massive quantities; it has considerable market power to force insurance companies to give it a good deal. It also has the resources to employ a lot of legal, medical and financial experts to analyze contracts and fees, etc.

Under your theory, I acting as a single consumer without access to those experts, etc., will have more power to force insurance companies to lower costs than does Cox Enterprises.

I don’t think that’s gonna happen.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 28th, 2012
9:18 am

Boortz is supposed to be making an argument this morning that all the panicking yesterday was premature.

That’s how you get ratings, folks.

Steve

March 28th, 2012
9:18 am

It’s almost evil how the dumbed down populace has been brainwashed to think that propping up the very wealthy = “protecting liberties.”

Clever, and evil.

bob

March 28th, 2012
9:18 am

robert lee, so the group that tells you what insurance to buy and that you have to buy it are not trying to control our lives ?

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2012
9:19 am

(ir)Rational

I haven’t researched that much into the ACA. The only thing that would or could possibly affect me would be the dropped coverage. I’m pretty healthy now, but I work in a hazardous occupation. I don’t have any personal stories about people who are uninsurable. I’m also one that will have coverage at all times because of my job. I actually have all kinds of coverage because of that.

On a personal note, if I could add y’all to my coverage, I’d do so in a heartbeat. I don’t think anybody in this country should not be able to get coverage. I think our biggest error was in moving from a non-profit to a for-profit model for health care.

Aquagirl

March 28th, 2012
9:19 am

Gas prices go up 4 cents and the cons start capering and blustering about Obama’s re-election chances. You’d think they’d worry the Republican plan for healthcare is telling people FU.

Talking Head

March 28th, 2012
9:19 am

““So again, what happens if the mandate disappears?”

Then we have a GREAT Supreme Court prededent ruling to keep the federal government at bay from mandating more of our liberties away !!!”

This is true. This case really isn’t about healthcare at all, it’s about the government having the authority to mandatae that a citizen purchase a product from a privaate business. If this law is accepted as is, and not overturned, the flood gates would open on what the government could mandate us to do.

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:19 am

I don’t think that’s gonna happen.

Jay, you’re dealing with someone relying on faith-based economic analysis. Reality only sometimes gets equal weight.

gm

March 28th, 2012
9:19 am

We let the 40 million without health care mostly women and kids continue to suffer and we continue to wave the flag like we really care about America and the people in it untill another 911 attack.

We continue to have people like Mitt, Rick, Newt who have good health insurance tell the poor uneducated whites in the tea party how bad the gov is and they dont need the gov help with insurance, while there kids are living longer and the poor are dying quicker.

mm

March 28th, 2012
9:19 am

The Dems should have set this up as a mandated tax, not a mandated purchase. Congress can levy taxes. Problem solved. If the mandate gets axed, the insurance companies will be pissed. If the entire law gets axed, many voters will be pissed. Either way, the cons lose.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 28th, 2012
9:20 am

That we even needed a law to force insurance companies to cover non-existent “pre-existing” conditions

And that we need a law to tell insurance companies you can’t just drop someone who has been paying premiums all along. How effed up is that?

USMC

March 28th, 2012
9:20 am

“If ObamaCare dies, what then?”–JAY BOOKMAN

You take a fraction of the money you are currently blowing on Cigarettes/Alcohol/drugs, Basketball shoes, Starbucks Lattes, Leased or financed automobiles, designer clothes, eating out at restaurants and GO BUY YOUR OWN HEALTHCARE INSURANCE. Pretty simple.

Viva La America! :-)

Stonethrower

March 28th, 2012
9:20 am

Health insurance or gas…………hmmmmmmm?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 28th, 2012
9:20 am

The Dems should have set this up as a mandated tax,

I believe that is single payer.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2012
9:20 am

a party that follows the US Constitution

(c) 1789-2012, Every Doofus Who’s Ever Been Lacking An Actual Point, Ltd. All rights reserved.

godless heathen©

March 28th, 2012
9:21 am

Sounded like the Solicitor arguing for the mandate in front of the Supremes yesterday was so poorly prepared one wonders if the Administration really wants to win the argument.

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:21 am

This case really isn’t about healthcare at all, it’s about the government having the authority to mandatae that a citizen purchase a product from a privaate business.

Then it’s a slam dunk to be kept in place, because the government’s been doing that for years with auto insurance and business license certification renewal (you gotta take tests administered by private businesses).

Don’t thank me now. Thank me later :)

OriginalTP

March 28th, 2012
9:21 am

Common sense – how does having 50 different sets of rules make insurance more efficient again? Help me out here.

HIPPOCRIT

March 28th, 2012
9:22 am

jay

Jay

didn’t you just get orgasmic when individual consumers forced large corporations to pull ads from Limbaugh when they organized as one group

the mind is a terrible thing to waste

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2012
9:22 am

This case really isn’t about healthcare at all, it’s about the government having the authority to mandatae that a citizen purchase a product from a privaate business.

And I’m guessing you were not chanting “Repeal and Replace” back in 2010??? What about all those other people chanting that, doesn’t that not show that it is as much about health care as it is about the mandate?

Jay

March 28th, 2012
9:23 am

Sorry USMC.

If you’ve had cancer or a heart attack or are over 55, no insurance for you, certainly not a price most Americans can afford.

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:23 am

and GO BUY YOUR OWN HEALTHCARE INSURANCE

Gee, if they would only sell it to my wife. They don’t. Not at any price. This is reality. I’m talking to you.

Steve

March 28th, 2012
9:23 am

USMC – nice veiled racist rant.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2012
9:23 am

blowing on Cigarettes/Alcohol/drugs, Basketball shoes, Starbucks Lattes, Leased or financed automobiles

Didn’t have ANY of those expenses, had to fund my own family’s crap-ass high-deductible private health insurance for years, and it SUCKED.

I’d rather that my fellow citizens didn’t have to do the same going forward. I’m funny that way.

Talking Head

March 28th, 2012
9:23 am

“Under your theory, I acting as a single consumer without access to those experts, etc., will have more power to force insurance companies to lower costs than does Cox Enterprises.”

True. However, doing away with employer sponsored heatlh insurance would spread that purchasing power of Cox from a few thousand employees to the entire population. Obviously for it to work, the consumer would need more information (which currently doesn’t exist) so that a true market could function.

TaxPayer

March 28th, 2012
9:23 am

If the legislation fails, then the burden of the mandated treatment of those that cannot or will not pay needs to be lifted off the hospitals, emergency rooms, etc., and thus lifted off those that choose to buy health insurance and placed on everyone’s shoulders via taxation, essentially guaranteeing future taxation to cover the costs of Medicaid or its equivalent for uninsured people of all ages and with illnesses that insurance companies refuse to cover. Uh Oh. Ryan’s yellowbrick roadmap just went back under construction.

mm

March 28th, 2012
9:23 am

The insurance companies already tell us which doctors we can use. It’s cleverly called “In network” and “Out of network”. Why would anyone in their right mind pay more for an “out of network” doctor?

JamVet

March 28th, 2012
9:24 am

From the laughtrack, otherwise known as the 2012 GOP Primary season:

Gingrich lays off staff, refocuses presidential bid

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2012
9:24 am

dB @ 9:20

I might have to co-opt that template for something later… :lol:

OriginalTP

March 28th, 2012
9:24 am

USMC – you miss the point. They won’t sell insurance to everybody. Those folks are left up to the taxpayer and the rest of the insured to pay for. If they would sell insurance to them, those funds would be part of the risk pool and lower costs for me and you. Think

Soothsayer

March 28th, 2012
9:24 am

“You take a fraction of the money you are currently blowing on Cigarettes/Alcohol/drugs, Basketball shoes, Starbucks Lattes, Leased or financed automobiles, designer clothes, eating out at restaurants and GO BUY YOUR OWN HEALTHCARE INSURANCE. Pretty simple.”

You left out the part about tradin’ in yo’ welfare Cadillac for a beat-up Toyota.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 28th, 2012
9:24 am

USMC

March 28th, 2012
9:20 am

What you say there, you say for other people because you know you have VA to fall back on. Where’s your sacrifice?

rightwing troll

March 28th, 2012
9:24 am

“The Supreme Court will have done its job and overturned yet another unconstitutional power grab by you libbies.”

“Then we have a GREAT Supreme Court prededent ruling to keep the federal government at bay from mandating more of our liberties away !!!”

Step away from the hyperbole for a second and explain “then what”…

So it does get struck down, after you wingnuts wake from the celebrations your taxes will STILL be used to subsidize healthcare via the ER to millions, making the healthcare massively expensive to the payer (the evil Gubbimint) and free to the recipient (immigrant, black person, white GOP trailer trash) and insurance will still be expensive. ineffective, and bureaucratically top heavy.

So, any solutions for us? Or just more hyperbole and swooning?

Butch Cassidy

March 28th, 2012
9:25 am

If ObamaCare dies, what then?

The GOP sheep can quit blaming Obama when their premiums go up just as premiums have for decades under the old system before Obama became president.

Whatever

March 28th, 2012
9:26 am

The question is do we follow the Constitution and limit the powers of government or not. There doesn’t have to be a proposed alternative.

I don’t like seeing people uninsured but I also don’t like being forced to buy a product. We need a balanced budget and limited government. Obamacare does neither.

Soothsayer

March 28th, 2012
9:26 am

I just wonder if USMC pays for his own health insurance or is he covered by that fabulous government healthcare?

HIPPOCRIT

March 28th, 2012
9:26 am

civil rights laws were enacted by congress when the nations collective will turned to doing what is right

when we citizens demand an honest and comprehensive study of the health care problems and solution choices we will force congress to move in that direction

all we have right now are the nutso extremes from both parties shouting at each other with disinformation

Steve

March 28th, 2012
9:26 am

Interesting how the Congress and the SCOTUS all have socialized medicine for themselves…yet…

rightwing troll

March 28th, 2012
9:27 am

“What you say there, you say for other people because you know you have VA to fall back on.”

Don’t count on it. The government and wingnuts in particular will be cutting funds from the VA as soon as they can.

Looney Bin

March 28th, 2012
9:27 am

Interesting – the quest to constatntly promote one’s ideological side over the other has completely overshadowed the issue. I get it, many of you disagree with President Obama. But to rejoice if this is overturned in the name of “denying a power grab by the government” is plain sick. Boy, what an evil man this president is, trying to take over your lives. How? By trying to allow as many people as possible to have health care. I don’t hear many claiming to have a better idea. Nope, it’s just another chance to show how much you disagree with the president, the health and well being of our citizens be damned. Sure doesn’t sound like a reason to celebrate…

They BOTH suck

March 28th, 2012
9:27 am

Well I guess we can look to Romney Care….. Republicans will be voting for him in November

We can look to Newt who has previously spoke in support of mandates

We can also ask the conservative Heritage Foundation who has previously suggested mandates

So we have a few choices

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2012
9:27 am

“Then we have a GREAT Supreme Court prededent ruling to keep the federal government at bay from mandating more of our liberties away !!!”

Sure, because dying from a disease because you can’t afford to pay for treatment is a right embodied in our Constitution.

Whatever

March 28th, 2012
9:27 am

rightwing,

No one has to propose an alternative. If Obamacare is unconstitutional then it should be struck down no matter what. Do you want to live in a nation where the government can do whatever it wants?

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:27 am

when we citizens demand an honest and comprehensive study of the health care problems and solution choices we will force congress to move in that direction

Been there, done that. Congress only gets forced to go in the direction of the lobbyists that help fund their employment campaigns.

Jay

March 28th, 2012
9:28 am

Talking, two points:

1.) There is no way on earth that individual consumers can obtain, understand and analyze even a fraction of the information about health insurance that employers can handle.

2.) To implement your approach, Republican candidates are going to have to campaign on and adopt a bill ending employer-provided health insurance. Do you honestly think that is at all plausible? A campaign based on “none of you will be able to keep the insurance you already have?”

Come on. Let’s get real about this, shall we?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 28th, 2012
9:29 am

I just wonder if USMC pays for his own health insurance

He’s still covered by his parent’s plan, dontcha know.

rightwing troll

March 28th, 2012
9:29 am

“The question is do we follow the Constitution and limit the powers of government or not. There doesn’t have to be a proposed alternative.

I don’t like seeing people uninsured but I also don’t like being forced to buy a product. We need a balanced budget and limited government. Obamacare does neither.”

So you’re on record as being OK with spending tax dollars to give people healthcare and medical treatment via the ER?

Becky

March 28th, 2012
9:29 am

we all know cheney could not buy insurance at any price but he just had another heart transplant costing hundreds of thousands of tax payer money.

ByteMe - insurance thug

March 28th, 2012
9:30 am

Do you want to live in a nation where the government can do whatever it wants?

Did you sleep through the Bush years of illegal wiretaps?

(ir)Rational

March 28th, 2012
9:30 am

Bro – I didn’t support it at first, until I looked at it further and realized it wouldn’t really affect me in anyway except allowing me to insure my wife. The individual mandate isn’t a problem, as I already felt the need to get insurance. I’ll also admit that I was against it solely because it was presented by Obama and I felt like it was an attack on my personal liberties. Then I looked into it and realized it didn’t do nearly as much as I had been told it did.

As far as being added to your insurance. While I would love to have that option, I’ll just continue looking for a job that offers benefits so that I can get her covered on my plan. When I took my current job, I had another offer that came with benefits but it was a higher risk (greater risk of me losing my job in the near future) for lower pay job. I chose the safer, better paying job without benefits. At the time, it wasn’t an issue because my wife was working and she had good benefits through her work. Then she got laid off and since then, it has been an issue. On the upside though, I only have 3 more payments on some of her medical bills. Then I just have to finish paying off the credit cards and hope she doesn’t have to visit the ER again.