Trayvon Martin aside, ’stand your ground’ law is stupid
Let’s acknowledge from the beginning that there are no grounds to believe that Florida’s “stand your ground” law can be blamed for the events leading up to the tragic shooting of Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch fanatic who shot Martin, may have had no idea that Florida even had such a law. And even if he did know, that knowledge might not have changed his behavior in any way. The only thing we know for certain is that Sanford police cited the law in explaining why they lacked probable cause to arrest Zimmerman.
So setting aside the Martin tragedy, what possible purpose does a “stand your ground” law serve in the first place? What good can it possibly achieve, particularly when implemented outside the home?
Dealing with an intruder inside the home is quite a different matter. And every person of course has the right to defend themselves and others from bodily harm. That right existed before passage of “stand your ground” laws around the country; it exists today in states that did not pass “stand your ground” laws.
We’re dealing instead with something very different than mere self-defense. “Stand your ground” laws state that if an armed person faces a choice between safely withdrawing from a scene or standing his or her ground and killing someone, that person “has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force,” as Florida law puts it.
That’s what I don’t get. I understand that there are macho fools out there who believe that backing down from a fight is a worse outcome than shooting and killing another person. I just don’t see why in a civilized country the law should validate and even encourage that mentality.
– Jay Bookman
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Orange12
March 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
It was Colonel Mustard in the parlor with a candle stick.
Jack
March 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
No need to worry. Al and Jesse will straighten out the Florida mess. They have to be careful, though; they might utter a Trayvon phrase that’s under copyright.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
Midori:
Time will tell.
An arrest is easy.
A conviction is much less definite.
Midori
March 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
lol – another shell shocked vet with an itchy trigger finger.
Don't Forget
March 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
Mama,
All my posts are still here, why don’t you produce what you claim I said. There’s only 8 pages.
Why, because I didn’t say that and YOU are the one who is lying!
Oh, and I live for 7 years in a Stone Mountain neighborhood that was about 60% black and rode Marta downtown for 3 years. Why should I fear black people????? What the hell is wrong with you.
Jay
March 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
Georgia has a “stand your ground” law, Hiker.
Tragicially, it doesn’t seem to have helped Meredith much.
Oscar
March 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
Mama says
“You are walking through your complex or subdivision, it’s dark and you notice you are walking toward a black male, wearing a hoodie. The male is 6-3 ft tall and although you live there you have never seen him before.
Will you admit you have thoughts that are not politically correct in your head
_________
Well, I would be scared, until I could see his face and eyes. I used to work in downtown Atlanta. In the early nineties I was afraid to walk outside in the middle of the morning or mid-afternoons. We moved our offices about that time out of downtown. I had a few blacks challenge me. I would ignore them. One just looked and said mockingly “You are one coold dude, Man” becuase I would not look at him. Just kept staring straight agea a the red light, wishing it would turn green and I could get out of there.
barking frog
March 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
I was unaware that
hoodies are suspicious
since I’ve been wearing
them for 64 years and
I’m only 65. Also thinking
the low rider pants are
worn by dudes on the
down low advertising
available booty is
probably wrong too.
mea culpa.
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
“Some of you, irregardless of the facts, want to see it your way no matter what! ”
And since you like everyone else on the blog doesn’t have all the facts………. you are speculating as well to what all events took place leading up to the shooting
Midori
March 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
Time is on my side
Yes it is
– Thomas Jefferson
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
7:59 pm
Headline: “At the Supreme Court, skepticism greets health law’s mandate”
Rabbit hole !
Don't Forget
March 27th, 2012
8:00 pm
Oh, and Mama, I am 50 and white. The men you know must be real pu$&($*’s
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Midori @ 7:56.
Now if your talking about me ………….. that was over 40 years ago and even with a 34 year law enforcement career I haven’t shot anyone.
So what’s so itchy ??
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
JAY @ 7:57
Rabbit Hole !
Steve Earle
March 27th, 2012
8:03 pm
Mama said a pistol is the devil’s right hand.
TaxPayer
March 27th, 2012
8:04 pm
MamaSays is putting up a good challenge for Scout’s claim to master rabbit hole digger.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpdm1ySJsqw
Midori
March 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
I’m watching the news, and ok — i’ve just got to say this:
Frederika Wilson!! PLEASE STOP WEARING THOSE TACKY, GLITTERY COWBOY HATS!!!
She has one in every color of the rainbow!!!
Redneck Convert (R---and proud of it)
March 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
You are walking through your complex or subdivision, it’s dark and you notice you are walking toward a black male, wearing a hoodie. The male is 6-3 ft tall and although you live there you have never seen him before.
Well, I’d feel pretty safe. I know that nobody wants to fool around with a man with a big load in his pants, and that’d be me.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
Psalms 144:1
“Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.”
Midori
March 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
I wasn’t talking to you or about you Scout.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:10 pm
Well , well, well ………… what have we here ??
Headline: “Justice Sotomayor Skeptical About Claims that Individual Mandate isn’t Justified by Limitless Interpretation of Commerce Clause”
“Justice Sotomayor, and Obama appointee, appeared skeptical of solicitor general Verrilli’s claims that the individual mandate is not based upon the idea that the government can force people into commerce and that there is no limit on its power to do so. The justice and solicitor general were very much at odds on this point.”
A Constitutional rabbit hole ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:10 pm
Midori:
Fair enough.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
Doggone:
Are you out there ?
USMC
March 27th, 2012
8:12 pm
Trayvon Martin killed by a Registered Democrat
http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/
He’s a Racist… Oh wait Zimmerman is HISPANIC… He can’t be racist or can he?
Those Wingnut Democrats and their Hate Talk Radio are very dangerous!
JamVet
March 27th, 2012
8:14 pm
A 28 year old and a 17 year old, who is the more mature one and who has better reasoning skills?
That is one helluva great point.
…and you just hate. period.
Midori, I can think of no better response to that junk.
Jay I hoe next time you are in public some one punches you just to see how you react!
Poor meat, having to hide behind endless monikers and hurling crap bombs. What a life.
Already debunked. K thanks.
Yep, in Frank’s made up world it sure was. But in the real world, no.
…but the President of the United States?
pogo, WTF? He did no such thing, He offered his condolences to that family and that is ALL. Newt and Santorum then exploited his words and some racist creep at Newsmax went nuts.
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
Scout
Bachman was on the news earlier. She was being asked about some of the questions and responses today from several of the SCJs.
She said that she wouldn’t read too much into any of their questions and responses because many people have speculated incorrectly on how a Supreme would decided a case based on comments they make and questions they asked…..
Time will tell….
I remember
March 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
Bookman is a race pimp.
Stand your ground laws occured because of the idiocy of forcing citizens to retreat when their lives were in danger or face charges in an overheated, politically charged environment that demanded revenge and not justice.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:16 pm
JamVet:
One account says that it went much farther than just a fight ………… that Martin was trying to get the gun.
If that’s true …….. it changes everthing.
But …………… let’s wait for the grand jury or trial to determine the facts.
Erwin's cat
March 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
a new low Jay…LoJa
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
They BOTH suck:
Oh, you are correct. I was just baiting a little ……………
It will probably be 5 to 4 one way or the other.
quedawg12
March 27th, 2012
8:18 pm
I personally am moving past the racial profiling aspect that this case stinks of. The bigger concern is how the police department handled things. As always WE and the MEDIA focus on the wrong and more polarizing issues.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 27th, 2012
8:18 pm
NEWSLASH: From Jane Velez – 911 Calls made by Zimmerman stated that he told the dispatcher that Marti was Running Away.
Now what Doom? How does that make Martin an agressor? He was trying to run away from the situation and the bully with a gun FOLLOWED HIM.
JamVet
March 27th, 2012
8:18 pm
The 17 yr old young man was suspicious because of the previously mentioned lookout…
What is this?
A lookout reporting that this kid walking home was suspicious?
Someone humor here and point me to this information, OK?
TaxPayer
March 27th, 2012
8:20 pm
One account says that the smaller unarmed boy had a hole in him and the police didn’t see anything wrong with that. But, we’ll wait for a grand jury to decide it the hole is real.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2012
8:20 pm
In my opinion the “state’ will find a way to charge Zimmerman if for no other reason than to calm things down and knowing full well they could lose in court.
Since a grand jury might return a “no bill” I predict they will just go before a judge and get a “probable cause” warant and not risk a grand jury investigation.
Rick in Grayson
March 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
They BOTH suck March 27th, 2012 7:57 pm
“Some of you, irregardless of the facts, want to see it your way no matter what! ”
And since you like everyone else on the blog doesn’t have all the facts………. you are speculating as well to what all events took place leading up to the shooting
=============================
Thank you for clearing up the fact that all these protesters are jumping the gun and are idiots as well because they don’t have the facts! They won’t be able to handle the truth when it comes out either.
Recon 0311 2533
March 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
I’ve seen folks in their 30’s, 40’s, and even 50’s greatly lacking in maturity. I’ve seen kids in their late teens greatly blessed with maturity.
Midori
March 27th, 2012
8:23 pm
JamVet @8:18
they are pulling it out of every orifice
vcnt
March 27th, 2012
8:23 pm
Craziness, try to imagine that dude following you down the street in the middle of the night. P.S. – He’s ARMED, and convinced you’re a criminal. When it happens to you better make sure you hit him so hard he doesn’t get back up.
Orange12
March 27th, 2012
8:23 pm
Stand Your Ground Laws were enacted because too many people were getting shot in the back while trying to retreat.
Brosephus™
March 27th, 2012
8:24 pm
MamaSays @ 5:35
Since when did walking to the store and returning to your father’s girlfriend’s house become tresspassing? I’ve heard a lot of crap from this case, but that is some of the most insane thinking I’ve heard yet, and you really have to be out there to beat Doom. As to wearing a hoodie in 80 degree weather, the incident happened after 7pm in the rain.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf
Read the report for yourself. And, contrary to your thinking, it is not tresspassing when someone’s walking to a residence where they are staying temporarily with the owner’s permission.
TaxPayer
March 27th, 2012
8:24 pm
Okay, who let Santorum start posting here.
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
I’m curious as to what Zimmerman will be charged with, assuming he is
Recon 0311 2533
March 27th, 2012
8:26 pm
0311/8541, I suspect you may be right. Hopefully, the special prosecutor will determine the facts particularly as to when and under what level of stress Zimmerman drew his weapon and fired or was there a struggle for his weapon that may have caused a discharge.
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:27 pm
Rick
People on both sides are jumping the gun…….
I stated numerous times that we need to wait until authorities complete their investigation and a decision is made one way or the other…….
If you can’t see that…………. I don’t care to be honest
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
Jam: Poor meat, having to hide behind endless monikers and hurling crap bombs. What a life.
Scout: One account says that it went much farther than just a fight ………… that Martin was trying to get the gun. If that’s true …….. it changes everthing.
Who’s account? The guy who MURDERED him and is now trying to escape jail time?
Que: The bigger concern is how the police department handled things. As always WE and the MEDIA focus on the wrong and more polarizing issues.
Word.
Jam – The lookout was the same person who told Cinderella where the glass slippers were. IOW – a figment of the posters imagination.
Doggone/GA
March 27th, 2012
8:29 pm
” The bigger concern is how the police department handled things. As always WE and the MEDIA focus on the wrong and more polarizing issues.”
Amen to that! As tragic as Trayvon’s death is and always will be, from a “public policy” point of view it is the inaction of the police that disturbs me FAR more than any other aspect.
Brosephus™
March 27th, 2012
8:29 pm
I see Geraldo appologized for saying the hoodie was responsible for Trayvon’s death. Not because he was wrong, but because his 32 year old son was ashamed of him.
http://news.yahoo.com/foxs-geraldo-rivera-im-sorry-hoodie-221726122.html
NEW YORK (AP) — Fox News Channel commentator Geraldo Rivera said Tuesday that he’s sorry for suggesting that a hoodie worn by unarmed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin was as much responsible for his death as the neighborhood watch captain who shot him.
Rivera said a conversation with his oldest son on Monday convinced him he was wrong. Rivera said it was the first time 32-year-old Gabriel Rivera had said he was ashamed of something his dad had said — and it caused the dad a sleepless night.
“He had never, ever used language like that,” Rivera said. “It was like, ‘Whoa, what have I done that would make my son say that?’”
JamVet
March 27th, 2012
8:29 pm
Midori,
I really am highly interested in this statement of Tom’s:
The 17 yr old young man was suspicious because of the previously mentioned lookout not because he had skittles or ice tea.
This is exactly what that slimy “Joe” was concocting the other night – that this teenager was “suspicious”.
I find this entire approach about one step removed from Scout’s accusation that people are “ignorant” for wearing hooded sweatshirts. Even when it is drizzling.
I suspect that this “suspicious” claim is pure unadulterated b*llsh*t.
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:30 pm
Scout
Will be interesting to see if they do strike it down, will it just be the mandate or the entire law…….
Did you read the Washington Times article I posted yesterday? It was an Op-ed but pretty interesting take on the issue and of course speculation as to how the right leaning judges would vote with cases to back up a yes or no
Doggone/GA
March 27th, 2012
8:30 pm
“As to wearing a hoodie in 80 degree weather, the incident happened after 7pm in the rain”
And when I was 17 I used to wear sweatshirts ( a “hoodie” with no hood ) in temperatures up to 100%
Oscar
March 27th, 2012
8:31 pm
Zimmerman has stated that T tried to grab the gun but Z was able to bet it out and that’s when he shot him. Not until T tried to take his gun away.
barking frog
March 27th, 2012
8:31 pm
Jm,
If it goes as it has,
the charge will be
“taking candy from
a baby”.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 27th, 2012
8:32 pm
Recon – it was the stress of getting his azz kicked by a kid smaller, lighter, and younger than him.
it was the stress of yelling “HELP!!” (if it WAS Zimmerman yelling) like a little girl.
it was the stress of thinking that since he was billy bad azz with a gun he could just kill someone, claim self defense and walk away clean………oh wait!! that DID happen. No stress there.
Rick in Grayson
March 27th, 2012
8:33 pm
They BOTH suck: My point was not directed at you, but all the marchers and protesters that are stirring the pot. They want Zimmerman in jail and they don’t know anything about this case. Of course, the race baiters Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are in the mix. Funny, how they call for Al Sharpton to join their “team”. Al didn’t learn anything from the Tawana Brawley case.
Recon 0311 2533
March 27th, 2012
8:33 pm
“I stated numerous times that we need to wait until authorities complete their investigation and a decision is made one way or the other……. ”
They BOTH suck, you’re correct but to Scouts point will so much external pressure beyond the investigation itself result in an indictment that otherwise may not have occurred. Zimmerman already faces a civil suit.
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:34 pm
Frog
Budumpching
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 27th, 2012
8:34 pm
Zimmerman has stated that T tried to grab the gun but Z was able to bet it out and that’s when he shot him. Not until T tried to take his gun away.
Wher dd you read that? It’s not on the official police report. Perhaps you must’ve read it at Hans Christian ANdersen’s blog…….
Oscar
March 27th, 2012
8:35 pm
T was a good bit taller, leaner and stronger. Z was older, fatter and probably way out of shape. Not much of a fight.
Erwin's cat
March 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Not to defend Geraldo, but i think the point that is over looked or not is…he was saying, you have to look innocent or you’re askin for it…what a tool…i have a hoodie (sp?) but, i’m 50 somethin’
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Rick
My bad in terms of how I perceived your post
Who is “they”?
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Tbs 8:30
Setting a new precedent doesn’t require a precedent
That’s why it’s called a precedent silly
quedawg12
March 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
If the dispatcher says that following trayvon was not necessary the REAL police were on their way, and georgie did it anyway then wasnt Trayvon “standing his ground?” and wasn’t it Georgie’s fault if he got his arse kicked?
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
Recon @ 8:33
If that occurs than we have a 2nd travesty……..
Doggone/GA
March 27th, 2012
8:38 pm
“you have to look innocent or you’re askin for it”
Or, in other words, it’s the victim’s fault
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:38 pm
Jm
What? You speak in stupidity at times so I apologize if I missed your point
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:39 pm
Here’s the issue: Kennedy and any limiting principle
If Kennedy can’t find or make a limiting principle up for the mandate, the mandate is dead
I doubt they will strike the whole law down, but if the mandate goes, some other pieces will too
Recon 0311 2533
March 27th, 2012
8:39 pm
Debbie, I don’t know all of the facts in this case and none on this blog do either. The original pic’s of this poor kid shows him at around 12 years of age. At his actual age of 17 he was much bigger. The question remains was Zimmerman attacked from behind as he walked back to his truck or did he shoot Martin in cold blood. I don’t know that answer and neither do you.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
March 27th, 2012
8:40 pm
Hoodies don’t kill people, bullets do.
Midori
March 27th, 2012
8:43 pm
Jam @8:29
AGENT ORANGE!!
AGENT ORANGE!!
Oscar
March 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
Recon 0311 2533
————————–
There are plenty of witnesses and testimony that there was a fight and Z was getting the worst of it. Question is whether Z was justified in using his gun for self defense or if he should have laid there and let himself continue to get a beating.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
You were aking for it — where did I hear that before? Oh right when a woman is raped before women started gaining a little power in the law circle, the males who “investigated” her rape would always say she must’ve been “asking for it”.
T was a good bit taller, leaner and stronger. Z was older, fatter and probably way out of shape. Not much of a fight.
so that means your punk azz can be beaten up by some kid too right? good to know!
Oh and your “instigators” comment concerning the protestors took me back to history class!! During the 60’s civil rights marches and freedom riders; they were considered “agitators” by the good ole boys too.
Erwin's cat
March 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
Hoodies don’t misspell words…pencils do
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
Jm
Kennedy may nor may not be your only one….. I’m waiting to see how Roberts comes down
It may not be this case, however I see Roberts overtime of course siding with more right leaning outlook on things but not as dependable for the right as Scalia, Thomas and probably Alito
I could be wrong…. Just my opinion
Don Abernethy
March 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
If the person Zimmerman shot was white the news would not have gotten out of Florida.
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
Tbs
When you’re dealing with an entirely new situation, you’re not referencing prior precedent (I know that’s redundant, but to make this clear it’s necessary)
That’s why you don’t see previous cases referenced in the oral arguments with the challenger
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74543.html
Brosephus™
March 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
EC
I understood what Geraldo’s point is, and I don’t agree with it. To agree with that is a copout to allowing prejudices and biases override your thinking and common sense. Somebody brought up walking downtown earlier, and I always get a kick out of the purse clutching and stuff that goes on whenever I walk by melanin deficient females. I guess that since I’m a big Black guy, I’m automatically a threat. However, when I’m in uniform, it’s the complete opposite reaction.
A hoodie is just that, a hoodie. It doesn’t define the person, nor does it transform the person. Based on his logic, we should all be scared of people in business suits as well since that’s generally what bankers wear, and a few of them robbed the sh*t out of us back in the 2000’s. I bet nobody blinks when doing financial business with someone in a suit.
Chris Sanchez
March 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
Jay,
Many laws on the books are unnecessary. Whether “Stand Your Ground” laws are among them certainly depends on one’s point of view. This law in Georgia was debated 5-6 years ago before being passed and signed into law. Not saying the law can’t be amended or repealed but why now?
The reason is the focus from the Trayvon Martin case and the FL version of the law. It is interesting to observe folks backtracking from their statements about the Martin case as more and more details of the incident become public. Of course, some will not bother trying to walk back their incendiary remarks while others, like you, will try and change the subject.
Perhaps local law enforcement in the Martin case will eventually charge Zimmerman. The fact that he remains free and uncharged with a crime is telling.
Brosephus™
March 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
There are plenty of witnesses and testimony that there was a fight and Z was getting the worst of it.
I’ve only heard of one eyewitness that said he saw Trayvon on top. There are two females who said they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon, who was face down, after the shot. One witness does not make for plenty.
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
Tbs, in short
“how the right leaning judges would vote with cases to back up a yes or no”
They largely won’t use previous cases. The guidance will be the constiution, not previous case law
Recon 0311 2533
March 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
Oscar, I have a weapons permit and I do carry on occasion. I’ve researched the various state laws because me and my family travel. If Zimmerman was attacked from behind as he was walking away, he has a strong defense. If they faced off and Zimmerman was getting the worst of it and drew his weapon and fired a lethal round, he’s in trouble. We don’t know the details.
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
“I understood what Geraldo’s point is, and I don’t agree with it. ”
I don’t either. It’s as stupid as suggesting that Fox is at fault for the black panther ransom.
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
Jm
Thanks for your legal overview
I was just referencing an article and providing some info based on what the author wrote
Moving on
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
At his actual age of 17 he was much bigger. The question remains was Zimmerman attacked from behind as he walked back to his truck or did he shoot Martin in cold blood. I don’t know that answer and neither do you.
He was 140 pounds big whoop – Zimmerman was 240. Wanna do the math on that?
BTW 911 call from Zimmerman said that Martin was RUNNING AWAY. Now what? He was aggressively running away? Running away aggressively? Running away so that he could aggressively attack later on?
=============
oh and to the mystery meat -if the kid was white, Zimmerman would’ve been arrested on the scene.
Erwin's cat
March 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
agree Bro….as much as everyone b1tches about racism…stereotypes are far more dangerous
Bud Wiser
March 27th, 2012
8:54 pm
I wonder if we’d be hearing any of this crap if it had been some white kid, wearing a hoodie, smoking dope and walking through any SW Atlanta neighborhood at night, smacking some black guy in the face with his fist, then running away?
I wonder how many paces he’d get before a fussilade of bullets from every direction cut him to pieces?
Duh.
Maybe we see get the KKK to put up a reward for the ‘apprehension’ of the murderer.
Now THAT would get press coverage, the kind that media stooges drool for (you know, like Pavlov’s dog, say ‘racism’ and they always begin to grin and drool).
Oscar
March 27th, 2012
8:56 pm
Recon 0311 2533
_________
T’s girlfriend was listening on the cell phone. She heard T speak first and ask Z why he was following him. Z replied and asked what was he doing in the neighborhood. Then she heard sounds of pushing and shoveing and the phone went dead. Does not sound like Z was hit form behind. More like push came to shove and a fight broke out.
barking frog
March 27th, 2012
8:57 pm
If zimmerman walks
in Florida with the
Keystone Kops,
the Fumble Bumble
Idiots will nail him.
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
“you know, like Pavlov’s dog, say ‘racism’ and they always begin to grin and drool”
Who is they?
Keeping reading about “they”, but can’t seem to get clarification
Jm
March 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
U know, I feel for Kennedy
I see both sides
I think I would rule against the mandate, but I wouldn’t be happy about it…..
Don't Forget
March 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlRQjzltaMQ
“some things will never change”……
but don’t you believe them!
Recon 0311 2533
March 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
Debbie,
140 Lbs.? I don’t really know the size advantage/disadvantage and I don’t think you could really know either. Sounds like you may have an agenda, ideological or some other reason.
Brosephus™
March 27th, 2012
8:59 pm
wonder if we’d be hearing any of this crap if it had been some white kid, wearing a hoodie, smoking dope and walking through any SW Atlanta neighborhood at night, smacking some black guy in the face with his fist, then running away?
Well, if White people whipped up enough of a frenzy after no arrests were made and it appeared that there was no serious attempt at investigating, I’m sure you’d hear the same amount of protesting, if not more were the perpetrator known and identified as a Black man with a criminal past.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 27th, 2012
8:59 pm
I’ve only heard of one eyewitness that said he saw Trayvon on top. There are two females who said they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon, who was face down, after the shot. One witness does not make for plenty.
my professor at Spelman, (female), said that in the law of the world, one man trumps twenty women. If 20 women saw something they wont be believed as long as one man saw the samesomething differently.
They
March 27th, 2012
9:00 pm
I am they
JamVet
March 27th, 2012
9:00 pm
Don, did your magic eight ball tell you that?
Midori, it is always interesting to me how the racists, replete with their endless stereotypes about picks in the hair and tattoos and saggy pants, come out of the woodwork for this type of topic, isn’t it?
It reminds me of those Reagan and Nixon dickheads who took such glee in insulting long-haired, sandal wearing hippies.
They ain’t laughing now. They’re still trying to figure out how they got so decimated in their culture wars…
Jm
March 27th, 2012
9:01 pm
DDR
Your professor was an idiot. Sorry you had to sit in that class…
They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
Listed at 160lbs
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf
Jm
March 27th, 2012
9:03 pm
“one man trumps twenty women”
Talk about victim mentality…..