Surprise! Mandate’s fate may ride on Kennedy

Firstie!

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I don’t think the fact it will be upheld is sorry at all! Can we now change to calling this by its true name-Universal Health Care????

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Great questions from Clarence Thomas today!

Oh, wait, the lump hasn’t asked a single question in 6 years?????

WTF

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Seriously, what is the deal with Clarence Thomas not asking a question in 6 years? Did he speak enough at his embarrassing vetting trial?

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Clarence’s wife must tell him which side to come down on. I wonder if she writes his decisions for him, too??

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If men want to date each other, that’s their business, not ours.

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If the Federal Government is allowed to force a citizen to make a purchase, there will be no limit to what the Feds can do. There goes the Constitution and the country as founded.

The bigger question is, why would ANYONE be willing to give up Liberty for government controlled health insurance greater than what already exists?

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Justice Thomas is an intellectual giant and doesn’t need to ask questions.

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Ok, here’s a little exercise. Think of the five nastiest things the US government ever sanctioned in the past 200+ years.

Now think about democratically elected officials working out a law that would require American citizens to assume some responsibility for their own healthcare costs.

And now, try to figure out how to read this…

If the Federal Government is allowed to force a citizen to make a purchase, there will be no limit to what the Feds can do. There goes the Constitution and the country as founded.

without laughing.

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“Why does he have to ask any questions?”

because that’s part of his JOB.

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government controlled health insurance

The government does not nor will it control insurance. The insurance industry will still be a private sector group. They will have the added regulations that they can’t drop or refuse to cover people. In return, the government promised them an endless supply of customers. It has nothing to do with liberty at all. People who frame it as such fail to realize it’s more about business and the mighty dollar.

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When Justice Thomas spikes a football, he hits oil.
SuperMan wears Clarence Thomas Pajamas.
Clarence Thomas doesn’t wear a watch, HE decides what time it is.
Clarence Thomas can get breakfast at McDonald’s after 10:30 A.M.
Clarence Thomas ordered a Big Mac at Burger King, and got one.
Siri doesn’t work on Clarence Thomas’ iPhone 4S, because NOBODY talks back to Clarence Thomas.
Clarence Thomas can get Chick-Fil-A on Sundays.

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“he’s equal parts Teller, and Silent Bob?”

… but without the substance

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PLEASE let this mandate get overturned!

“If the Federal Government is allowed to force a citizen to make a purchase, there will be no limit to what the Feds can do.” – I read it and kept a straight face. I get the whys/whats of the mandate. But if we are forced to buy a private product or pay a fine, what’s next?

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But if we are forced to buy a private product or pay a fine, what’s next?

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Nothing will be next if the opinion is correctly drafted to limit its application to this one product. And that can be done.

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“Yeah, forcing a women to have an unwanted and unnecessary procedure (ultrasound) is covered in the constitution.”

But, but, socialism, Marxism.

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But if we are forced to buy a private product or pay a fine, what’s next?

I guess I don’t understand what’s so scary about this particular product (really a service, but I won’t nitpick.) I can’t recall riots in the streets over mandated car liability coverage, or Medicare for that matter (which entails goo-gobs of private services being forcibly funded).

And keep in mind, the cynic in me would just as soon this thing IS overturned because I’d vastly prefer a single payer system, and it’s just possible that the mandated private insurance component of the ACA is nothing more than an impediment to an inevitable adoption of what we will probably wind up calling “Medicare for all,” one day.

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Alito must ask himself, “What would Harriet Miers do?”

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“car liability coverage”
YOU

DON’T

NEED

CAR

INSURANCE

IF

YOU

DON’T

OWN

A

CAR.

NEXT!

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If the government CAN mandate health insurance…they CAN mandate anything.

THAT is the scary part, Granny.

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Question.

When the FCC went to digital television was the SC involved?

Were you required to purchase cable TV, HDtv or a digital antenna?

If not you did not get TV reception everywhere, did this make sense?

Oh, that’s right you could just do without

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I do laugh in the general direction of the drama kings though….

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**Cheney’s transplant, which cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, was apparently covered by both Medicare and his federal insurance as a former vice president.**

Go baby go…

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Long live ObamaCare.

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disallowing personal nukes…

What??? Dang. Ok. let’s let this be our little secret, k?

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“If the government CAN mandate health insurance…they CAN mandate anything.”

Well i say lets end the mandate to to treat patients that show up at the hospital without insurance…. then we’ll see all this changed in 2 weeks once thousands die in the ER waiting room.

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Peadawg, one of the points that seemed to be agreed upon was the idea that you COULD require insurance coverage once you enter the healthcare system by going to a doctor or an ER because you would then be participating in that area of commerce. Your thoughts?

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Oh, stands beat me to it!

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Brosephus™
March 27th, 2012
1:14 pm

You mean there’s NO other way to tackle rising healthcare prices then to force the American people to buy a private product or pay a fine? Pahlease.

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a satellite dish that goes out when the wind blows

Sounds like a piss poor installation job. DirecTV streams a more powerful signal to the Southeastern part of the US to compensate for weather issues. My satellite doesn’t go out unless it’s right at severe weather conditions. If my satellite goes out in the rain, that’s usually a sign that there’s some serious water coming down or on it’s way down.

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Remember folks, unless the SC oversteps on this one, the only thing to be shot down is the mandate. If that happens, the only losers will be the insurers (no more new customers). And they will blame the cons.

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Becky – no, we cannot call it “Universal Health Care” for that’s not what it is. If I have to pay private, for profit insurance companies for coverage that will enable me to obtain services from private, for profit providers, there’s nothing universal about it.

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Hey, if Medicare is acceptable by the Supremes, then so will this Healthcare bill.

Now, if the Supremes don’t like the steps this bill takes to cover everyone, then I foresee the end of Medicare as well.

Personally, I have “pre-existing conditions” and I like the rule that makes insurance companies cover me. I’ve had to cut through the silly red tape when moving insurance carriers because they thought they didn’t have to cover me. Basically, the rule was (is?) “if you have previous insurance, we’ll cover you, ifyou don’t, then we won’t” . . . which to me says “bugger off ya ingrate, we’ll just assume you didn’t have insurance until YOU prove it. If I had previous insurance or not, what does it matter to a CURRENT insurance carrier? Would I need different levels of care whether I had coverage or not? Not for me, no.

I like having the pre-existing conditions eliminated from qualifications for healthcare. Now, it DOES bug me that the government also would make me purchase something whether I want it or not. It does sound like a step in the wrong direction in personal liberty. But as a good person, I’d rather take care of those who need a little leg up during the bad times. I’m willing to pay a tiny little extra to have a healthier country.

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stands for decibels

March 27th, 2012
12:55 pm

Ok, here’s a little exercise. Think of the five nastiest things the US government ever sanctioned in the past 200+ years.

Now think about democratically elected officials working out a law that would require American citizens to assume some responsibility for their own healthcare costs.
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But as I understand it, it ISN’T requiring Americans to assume responsibility for their own healthcare costs, it’s forcing EMPLOYERS to assume all responsibility.

It’s NOT an employers job to give healthcare. If the Gov’t wants to do it then let them, but don’t force employers…….

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Yo Brocephus, check out my new handle………

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“Could they please mandate the use of deodorant? PeaDawg is stinkin’ this joint up!”

No, that’d be the fishy smell coming from your..um…yeah….

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“You mean there’s NO other way to tackle rising healthcare prices then to force the American people to buy a private product or pay a fine? Pahlease.”

Ever since Obama and the Dems came up with “obamcare” many on the right say we do need change, just not this change

Please provide a synopsis of what Republicans did to reign in cost and increase coverage for more indivduals when they controlled Congress from 94 thru 2006, especially during the Bush yrs where they had Congress and the WH……..

They did do something right? The talk about change is not mere talk, right?

You can start with TX on the state level if you like… Boy prices are going down so fast since tort reform…… Oh, they are not….. you might want to start elsewhere

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If people won’t play the game, they will change the rules.

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stands for decibels
March 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

Plus, every show I watched on t.v. I watch online now whether it’s House, Army Wives, Psych, whatever. You can always find the episodes online somewhere.

The only thing I miss is SportsCenter, PTI, Around the Horn, etc.

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You mean there’s NO other way to tackle rising healthcare prices then to force the American people to buy a private product or pay a fine?

The ACA isn’t going to slow costs down. As long as both parties, providers and patients, are being squeezed by a middleman who’s sole interests are profits, there will be no controlling costs. That’s where you and others who want the mandate overturned fail to realize that you’re pushing faster towards a single payer system than any die hard liberal would ever have to.

The GOP has put forth the same remedies they have always tried, like tort reform. Texas has proven tort reform will not produce any results at slowing costs. Selling across state lines, as some have suggested, opens the insurance company up to regulation under the interstate clause, which is part of the reason why some conservatives oppose the mandate.

The only way to get some semblance of control over costs in the system is to remove the source of the rising costs, which is the profit driven middleman. Long ago, when health care was more of a not-for-profit industry, I don’t recall people having costs rise nowhere near as fast as they do now. You’re not gonna turn our system back into a non-profit industry, so the only other option would be single payer.

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Don’t Forget

March 27th, 2012
1:23 pm

No matter what happens, the sun will continue to rise every morning.
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And what in the HELL does that have to do with anything? If you were a 14 year old kidnapped girl who was chained to a bed and repeatedly raped for days on end would you take heart that tomorrow the sun will rise?

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“Please provide a synopsis of what Republicans did to reign in cost and increase coverage for more indivduals when they controlled Congress from 94 thru 2006, especially during the Bush yrs where they had Congress and the WH……..

They did do something right? The talk about change is not mere talk, right?”

You’re not getting any argument from me on that one.

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“But as I understand it, it ISN’T requiring Americans to assume responsibility for their own healthcare costs, it’s forcing EMPLOYERS to assume all responsibility.”

Uh, wrong.

But if you want to go down that road, allow everyone to buy health insurance at the same group rates as corporations. Then get the corporations out of the game. With all of the new customers, the rates should continue to fall.

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Peadawg

To be clear, I do not think the ACA is the end all of end all in terms of coverage and cost………
With that said, if the SC allows the law to stand, Republicans and those who vote all or majority Republicans need to blame Republicans

They had the opportunity to do something and FAILED to act. Now want to cry because action was taken… This notion of “we have a better plan”, ” we can do this not just Obama’s way”, etc , etc……. didn’t come about until those Republicans knew Obama meant business and was pushing as he said he would be before he was elected……..

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stands for decibels

March 27th, 2012
1:25 pm

it’s forcing EMPLOYERS to assume all responsibility.

really?

http://healthreform.kff.org/The-Basics/Employer-Penalty-Flowchart.aspx
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db, That chart is stupid and doesn’t represent all the alternatives. I don’t know what kind of business you run and how much profit you derive from it, but paying 2 grand per employee will bankrupt my buddy. He just doesn’t have that much profit in the company.

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They BOTH suck
March 27th, 2012
1:29 pm

Good point.

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Brocephus: It gets better. Not only was I called a white hater, but a page later I was called an Uncle Tom.

I think I’m treading on a classic of stupidity from two different posters………. this is better than being called a neocon or a leftist like I usually am……..

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Peadawg

March 27th, 2012
1:24 pm

stands for decibels
March 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

Plus, every show I watched on t.v. I watch online now whether it’s House, Army Wives, Psych, whatever. You can always find the episodes online somewhere.

The only thing I miss is SportsCenter, PTI, Around the Horn, etc.
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Even though you were an obnoxious asshat to me earlier I’ll help you out lol. Try ESPN3.com they show most of those shows.

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and in keeping with precedent with regards to the politicization of tragic shootings…Zimmerman was a registered democrat.

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They BOTH

Today’s a rare off day. I don’t take the good stuff to work. Officers love coffee.

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Fred

I got that other thread up in a different window. Now I gotta go back and read around that time frame.

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Peadawg

“YOU DON’T NEED CAR INSURANCE IF YOU DON’T OWN A CAR. NEXT! ”

You don’t need medical insurance if you don’t have a body. Next? ‘

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Lots of arguments being made against. Posters should really listen to the SCOTUS audio to see how few of those are being made and how they are disposed of.

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“You don’t need medical insurance if you don’t have a body. Next? ‘”

*facepalm*

a more accurate analogy is you don’t need health insurance if you don’t go to the doc or er.

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Paul

What a post to lead the page off!!!!!! That one needs a tshirt to make it complete.

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this is getting dumber by the second, even dumber that they passed this bill without even reading it…Really? libs? you dont see anything wrong with that..at all..do you love and trust your govt that much..its already costing more thatn what obama said it would…it will continually increase in cost and it will never stop, 2200 pages will be 10000 more in adjustment, radifcations and added amendments

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Peadawg

“a more accurate analogy is you don’t need health insurance if you don’t go to the doc or er.”

So your daughter or granddaughter has a compound fracture of the leg. What are you going to do – set if for her?

You’re being silly. Or repeating soundbites. Same difference.

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They BOTH

Very seldom will I add cream to my coffee. I usually do mine black with sugar.

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Pau

I don’t know, but I may have to enter the tshirt business myself this year. Too many good ones not being made.

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The storm clouds are gathering for the health law…
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c1#/video/crime/2012/03/27/nr-toobin-mandate.cnn

Die MF, Die MF!

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LOL this is pure troll fodder.

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‘even dumber that they passed this bill without even reading it…’
That was the GOP that didn’t read it. Why bother reading something you’ve been ordered to vote against?

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stands for decibels

March 27th, 2012
1:37 pm

paying 2 grand per employee will bankrupt my buddy

I’m sure that’s been the first reaction. How about factoring in your buddy’s business competition? do those competitors not also have employees to cover?
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No, not really. He is a “small business” with about 250 employees. Some he offers healthcare to, some he doesn’t. He competes against much larger companies. These much larger companies were able to make the payoffs to get the “exemptions” from the law that he wasn’t able to get. bottom line, his competition doesn’t have to pay the extra $500,000 per year but he does. That not only has him working for free, but actually has him PAYING a couple 100 grand a year for the right to work and own a company.

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You don’t need health insurance if you never:

a) Go to the doctor
b) Go to the emergency room
c) Get in a car accident where the car insurance (if it exists) doesn’t cover all of the cost
d) Get shot (maybe for wearing something someone didn’t like)
e) All of the above

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Pea, do you know anyone that has never been to the doctor?

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Oscar,

Yep. You hit on what a lot of the liberals don’t know. If the mandate is upheld its going to be a boon for the insurance industry. Plain and simple.

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Yes, when you say things like you don’t need health insurance if you don’t go to the doctor.

Maybe his granddaughter is a Christian Scientist who was born on the kitchen table and will never, ever access our healthcare system. I’m sure there’s hundreds of millions of people like that in America.

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I’m just trying to help out the people who love to use car insurance as an argument for the mandate.

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for those of you who don’t want to be forced to buy health insurance

DON’T FALL OFF YOUR SOAPBOX

and

BE CAREFUL ON THAT HIGH HORSE

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Democrats just love to force people to do something…. Wheather they like it or not….

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“You hit on what a lot of the liberals don’t know.”

TD: go back to the broad brushes that you use so so well… That paint sprayer is not really you…. you didn’t adjust the tip on the sprayer……. paint coming out much to thick……… yes… even for you

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Because 2500 pages is just TOO DAMN HIGH/COMPLICATED

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Come on Fred you gutless coward. You KNOW you are trying to pose as me. Man up and get your own damn handle.

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Since this is an election year, look for a party line vote.

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Adam

“Of course, I suppose if you never intend to pay any medical bills ever you could answer that question.”

Which leads to the next issue – that conservatives believe they have the right to demand other people pay for their medical costs when they choose to not carry insurance.

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Thomas

Are we to assume that a Republican Party that had control of Congress from 94 to 06, and 6 of those yrs the WH now want to do something in terms of health-care?

I’ve heard numerous Republicans on tv saying that change is needed but not the change that the new laws are mandating…….. Is that just talk? If not, why was basically nothing done when they had the chance to craft laws, regs and work with insurance companies in regards to these issues?

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Libs attacking a conservative black judge = perfectly acceptable

Cons attacking a lib “black” president = racism

Breaking News: Zimmerman was a registered Democrat. Democratic Protestors are protesting democrat on democrat crime.

Hilarious on all venues.

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“Libs attacking a conservative black judge = perfectly acceptable”

*yawns*

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but for a desktop, (which you hook to your TV) you could go really cheap with something like this:

Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of more of a single-tasker, some wireless device that is essentially designed to capture such content and feed a signal to my living room tv… a Roku or suchlike.

But we already have an old desktop essentially gathering dust, it had (honestly) never occurred to me to try to repurpose it as a TV streamer. hmm.

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Imagine a country without health insurance. Would supply and demand hold and costs would only be what could be afforded. Would only the well heeled have access, if so where would all the health care workers work ? Deep dark depression, excessive misery .

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Peadawg

“I’m just trying to help out the people who love to use car insurance as an argument for the mandate.”

Seeings how it’s been demonstrated how nonapplicable that argument is, you can say “mission accomplished.”

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“Libs attacking a conservative black judge = perfectly acceptable. Cons attacking a lib “black” president = racism”

Ouch. The truth hurts.

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Milton

When looking at populations of each state it is a pretty mixed bag, so what is your point

http://www.bls.gov/lau/

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Joseph

“Democrats just love to force people to do something…. Wheather they like it or not….”

Ahhh…. so it’s Democrats who want to force women to carry to term no matter what and to have ultrasounds…. I never knew that… thanks!

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ty webb 2:08

Care to expand on “no, they don’t”?

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William

March 27th, 2012
2:11 pm
Cons attacking a lib “black” president = racism”

“Ouch. The truth hurts.”

Only in your mind sport is that the truth.

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MiltonMan

March 27th, 2012
2:11 pm

Paul, here is a little secret that has been known for almost 100+ years pal: Roman Catholics = Democrats
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You reprove your complete and utter stupidity with each post ypou make.

Republican Presidential Candidate Rick Santorum ins now a Democrat? or did he renounce his Catholicism?

Man are you dumb.

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Psst Fred here you go “blinded by race one”: Zimmerman was a registered Democrat.

Climb back into your hole.

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The man said not only did Zimm have no history of racism being a Hispanic man

Thulsa, your stupidity is revealed in new and creative ways every time you post, it seems.

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Individual Mandate will be struck down.

Gas prices will continue to rise.

Obama loses election.

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dB: I already said, he offers insurance for some but not ALL his employees. Much like big dollar companies (who got exemptions) Walmart, UPS, and McDonalds. What doesn’t add up? The fact that he can’t pay off a Congressman or 6 to get an “exemption?”

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stands for decibels

March 27th, 2012
2:17 pm

You cant teach Doom anything…..old dog dont learn new tricks. They just take me for a looooong drive out in the county and release them.

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“Only in your mind sport is that the truth.”

Oh yeah, Snoopy? Why don’t you re-read the first page of comments on this column and acquaint yourself with some direct evidence?

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Fred please tell us “educated one” what political party the majority of Roman Catholics vote for clown?

Man playing Fred is comparable to watching a cat chase its own tail – pure entertainment

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Don’t care either way… nothing will change in my day to day life…

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no they don’t.

Ty, are you refudiating the law signed by St. Ronnie Reagan? You know, the one that required ER’s to accept patients? I always thought the conservatives claimed him as one of their own. I guess he’s been traded to the lib team.

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MiltonMan

March 27th, 2012
2:16 pm

Psst Fred here you go “blinded by race one”: Zimmerman was a registered Democrat.
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What does his party affiliation have to do with your racism? Unlike you, I don’t give free passes to murderers because I have an irrational hatred for the President.

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Stands for decibels,

Your accusation of stupidity would hold more credence if you pointed out exactly how or why my comment was stupid as opposed to merely saying it was. But then that’s probably a lot to expect from you I’m sure.

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One reason I’m for the indivdual mandate. As long as ER’s are forced to treat folks everyone needs insurance. Otherwise those costs are passed onto those who already have insurance. I’ve heard various reports that it costs about $1,000.00 to a family – that is what you pay because others will not purchase insurance.

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Taking out the individual mandate shouldn’t be a problem for liberals. Obama promised that if anyone likes their present insurance they can keep it. Unless of course he didn’t really mean it.

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MiltonMan

March 27th, 2012
2:22 pm

No one cares about whether D or R or B or W in the case…..American wants to know how an unarmed child is killed and NO investigation happens.

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MiltonMan

March 27th, 2012
2:22 pm

Jam, earlier pal we saw this cons vs. Trayvon message repeated over and over again. Now that it has been exposed that Zimmer was a registered Democrat, the tone has changed quite a bit.
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Nothing has changed unless it’s you weirdo Republicans now backing away from Zimmerman. I still say he should be charged with 2nd degree murder and go to jail.

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Now that it has been exposed that Zimmer was a registered Democrat, the tone has changed quite a bit.

Only amongst you people who sublimate morality to politics.

People of conscience and who seek justice could care less if he was a (fill in the blank).

Had that been a black man who killed that kid under the exact same circumstances, only you extremists on both ends would sing a different song. I’d still be clamoring for police department heads to roll…

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DDR peeking in:

Have all the racists left the blog yet? Just read some of the tripe from the T. Martin blog–sad that in the 200+ years america has been america, 200+ of those years america hasn’t changed not one bit.

Well, since I see a few are still here cleaning their sheets – I’m out.

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dB: If these companies already provide healthcare for their employees then what do they need an exemption for?

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Paul,
conservatives(I can’t speak for all, but hey, neither can you, although you’ve certainly tried) believe they should take care of their own healthcare costs…and some(including me) believe they should voluntarily help their neighbors with their costs if they can afford to.

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“No one cares about whether D or R or B or W in the case…..American wants to know how an unarmed child is killed and NO investigation happens.”

We do know that Zimmerman pulled the trigger and that a young man died. Until we know all the details of the case and what the police reports say according to witnesses, everything else is speculation.

I am distgusted however of how some people have been acting. Especially nationally known civil rights leaders (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson), Democrat House members, and the young man’s Mother who is attempting to capitalize off of the life of her son.

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@ty webb: Are you self insured?

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stands for decibels,

The point that his friend was making was that he had been friends with Zimm for 6 years, that he had never heard him saying anything remotely racist, and that being a Hispanic man he was probably sensitive to racism. But go on with your nonsense if that’s all ya got. Its par for the course with you.

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“It’s okay to admit sound bites don’t make good legislation.” – And neither does forcing everyone to purchase a private product. No matter the reason.

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If it is struck down, and since the mandate and other requirements that were from Republican recommendations , what exactly will the Repubs introduce as a health care bill that will address affordable healthcare for the 99%?

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“No one cares about whether D or R or B or W in the case…..American wants to know how an unarmed child is killed and NO investigation happens.”

It was my understanding the local police turned this case over to a Special Prosecutor from the State. Is that not true?

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In their attempt to politicize and further polarize us all, democrats have decided to invite the parents of Trayvon Martin to Capitol Hill. Get ready for another trial balloon to be floated by the dems. Looks like the ridiculous ‘war on women’ has run its course, now it will be the ‘war on minorities’

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Parents-of-slain-Florida-teen-to-appear-on-Capitol-Hill/-/1637132/9717200/-/8r2hugz/-/index.html

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and that being a Hispanic man he was probably sensitive to racism

Ah. Because people who have been vicitimized will never victimize, themselves!

Here’s a shovel. Keep digging.

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(ir)Rational: Will your costs go up, down, or remain the same under the new Obama care thing? Or is it too early to tell?

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At least Obama can say he killed bin laden…. Thats about the only positive that has come from his failed Presidency……

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well said fred

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Head, and here’s another depraved piece of crap to focus your selective outrage on…

Ronald Kessler reporting from Washington, D.C.— True to form, President Obama has used the tragic shooting of an unarmed black teenager to prejudge the case and blame all Americans.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Trayvon-Martin-race/2012/03/26/id/433848

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“Will your costs go up, down, or remain the same under the new Obama care thing?”

So far it hasn’t helped. My costs have gone up before and after this was signed into law.

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You know whats so funny to me about this whole Trayvon Martin thing? How there are a few on this board who won’t give the kid the benefit of the doubt. They can give a man who was formally ARRESTED of violent crimes a break, but not some 17 year old kid!!

They can take a person who has a HISTORY of violence’s word that he “acted in self defense”; as if it were gold.

Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend when the whole thing happened; this was already corroborated by the phone company and Martin’s Parent’s Attorneys; (the little girl told them that he was apprehensive about the man that was following him, she heard the man APPROACH Trayvon, she heard a scuffle an then the phone went dead); but the ignorant, vile RACISTS (yeah I said it RACISTS), on this board totally IGNORE her statement in favor of a man who has numerous arrests for VIOLENCE.

I bet, just like some of you armchair policemen, I can tell you exactly what happened that night:

Zimmerman approached Martin and either grabbed him or pushed him. Martin, fearful of a stranger attacking him lashed out. Zimmerman tried to fight back but was too fat and stupid and such a wimp he couldn’t beat a 17 year old kid that was 100 pounds LIGHTER than he was.

Punk Azz Zimmerman, sees that he’s loosing the fight, pulls out his gun and shoots the kid.

Then he says it was “self defense” He forgot to add “From getting my azz kicked by someone younger and lighter than me because I’m such a pu44$$y!”

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Head, nobody doubts your mastery at channeling Joseph McCarthy.

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Breaking News: Zimmerman was a registered Democrat. Democratic Protestors are protesting democrat on democrat crime.

Hilarious on all venues.

Sometimes it is better to remain silent. Unfortunately, the overwhelming urge to perform feats of jackassery tend to override that internal silence button. This is one case. The political ideology of Zimmerman does not mean jack sh*t. Since you mention it, it goes to show that Democrats DO carry concealed, contrary to popular rightie rhetoric. Anybody who would get a laugh from anything related to this should have their head examined. However, in your case, I’d plead for an exception as to not waste the doctor’s time.

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Given that a bounty is on his head and that a significant number of blacks have already convicted the man in the court of public opinion I don’t think so.

I’d suggest you look a bit harder at the photos and videos of people protesting. You’ll be surprised to find that the crowds do not look like the reverse of a Tea Party demonstration. There are equal mixes of Blacks, Whites, males, females, and any other group you can think of. If asking for justice to be rendered equates to finding someone guilty, then I guess you have a point. Otherwise, you’re blowing hot air for the sake of an ideological argument.

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“Do you think he would have gotten a broken nose or his head pounded or a kid killed if he just stayed in his car? You are losin it bigtime…”

Mick,

So what are you saying. That getting out of his car automatically means that it is acceptable for Trayvon to then attack him? Is that what you are saying? According to testimony, he got out of his car to confront Trayvon, they had words, and then he went back to his car. Is there something you don’t understand about him going “back to his car”? In other words he walked away from the situation. And then Trayvon allegedly attacked him and hence that is when the eyewitness saw Trayvon on top of him pummeling him. The story is pretty consistent.

Zimm could have avoided the entire thing but just because he was an ass in wanting to know who this young man was does not give the young man the justification to physically assault the man. It does not. Please explain to me how someone deserves to be attacked when they choose to walk away from the situation?

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Justice Thomas doesn’t ask questions because he is an affirmative action choice.

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That gun really help George out, I’d say…not.

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doomy

Geez, the way you lay it out it’s as if….you were there…. but you weren’t…. so stop inventing scenerio’s. I’m done with this topic…

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“If it is struck down, and since the mandate and other requirements that were from Republican recommendations , what exactly will the Repubs introduce as a health care bill that will address affordable healthcare for the 99%?”

A fair question. But a bad solution does not become a good one simply because it is the only one presently on the table. I do have my fears that there is nary a politician in Washington who is up to the task of solving the complicated problem in a good way. We are in bad shape all around.

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Afternoon, (ir)Rational

“My costs have gone up each of the past two years (and the insurance company said it was because of the AFCA, but who knows), ”

We’ve had discussions on several threads with some good citations that generally show insurance companies telling their policyholders it’s the Care Act, but when one gets past the “blame someone else, not us” excuses we find that does not hold water.

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Thulsa – In this case, yes, Zimmerman getting out of his car did give Trayvon the right to attack him. See my above post for the reasoning, or just accept the fact that one was covered under the “stand your ground” law, and the other is still alive.

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Brocephus,

Let me ask you something and please answer it as honestly as you can? If you randomly asked 100 black people if they think Zimm is guilty of murder how many of them would say yes, how many would say no, and how many would reserve judgment and say let the system play out. Be honest sir. Because from what I’ve seen from Reverand Sharpton and Jackson and company the consensus seems to be that he is already guilty in the black court of public opinion. The fact that these 2 complete buffoons are regarded as supposed leaders to many of the 40 million black Americans is in and of itself quite astonishing.

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according to testimony, according to witnesses, according to reports…how exactly do you get your hands on these official reports? according to your arse, your head needs to wiped off

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“You’ll be surprised to find that the crowds do not look like the reverse of a Tea Party demonstration. There are equal mixes of Blacks, Whites, males, females, and any other group you can think of. ”

That would be to hard to admit……….. Many want to imply the NPB, which has little support, are some of the main protesters..

last night Anderson Cooper in his quest to gin up ratings put on the NBP……… they might have been 15 people around the spokesmen who was at the NBP protest… Compared that to the numerous othe protests around the country that have a huge mix of races……..

That doesn’t fit the narrative so they must keep bringing up Sharpton, Jackson and the NBP with implication and innuendo that they speak for and represent the 10 of 1000s of protesters across the country

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March 27th, 2012
2:51 pm

if a black neigborhood watch volunteer shot a white kid in buckhead (with or without hoodie), do think that guy would be walking the streets while the police gathered more information? not likely…the issue for me isnt whether this guy is racist, its the fact that he went looking for trouble, ended up shooting and killing an unarmed kid and has not been picked up and charged with a crime. the issue for the folks in sanford (and everywhere else now) is it seems like a young black life is worth less than a young white life, because again if it were the other way around you know damn well the black guy would be locked up immediately and we’ll sort out the details later..
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I hate hearing and reading that BS. But it’s TRUE which I hate even more. Had the colors been reversed, and Zimmerman a black man, he WOULD still be in jail. No question about it.

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Fred – Actually no, and my wife is going to be PISSED that he has stated that opinion. She helped me come to that conclusion. But she HATES Boortz, yet seems to have some very similar opinions and it always pisses her off when I inform her of that. I would say that is a fair assessment though.

Paul – Yeah, I assume that they were just passing the blame, but at the same time, all comparable insurance plans went up correspondingly so that I have been unable to find cheaper.

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Thulsa,

Sorry to break the news, but that little bitty thing is not a boot, and it’s not even near anybody’s throat. But it’s great that you have such a special imagination!

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The only racists I see so far in the Trayvon case is Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, and the New Black Panthers. Everyone else is just waiting for the facts to come out.

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Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

I see the blog is back on Zimmerman. I think since more facts have been released it’s not all together certain that Zimmerman is guilty. The way it was first reported I thought that he was indeed on the wrong side of the law. I’ll wait to see what further information is made available and what the Grand Jury has to say before formulating my opinion.
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I wouldn’t say there have been more “facts” released Del, just more excuses. But I respect you for waiting and not immediately “taking up for the team.”

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Great questions from Clarence Thomas today!

WTF

Well, I tried to warn you about putting one of Those People on the SC. He ain’t understood a word anybody said in 6 years. But would you listen to me? Noooooooooooooooooooooo!

I think he just waits and sees how Alito votes. Then he votes the same way.

Anyhow, if the SC rules against Obamacare I figure this blog is saved. Otherwise a bunch of godly Conservatives here would refuse to pay the fine and get packed off to prison for not paying the IRS. That would force Bookman to set up a live blog from prison and we would all be there either as inmates or visitors. Then Bookman would have a heck of a time riding herd. He couldn’t exackly order inmates like Sinkus and jm and kayaker out of prison for violating blog rules. He’d be in deep doo-doo for sure.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

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Doom

It depends on who you ask. If you ask someone who has a background in criminal investigations, I seriously doubt they would give you an answer one way or another. To try to paint all Blacks as a monolithic thinking group does a complete disservice to your entire argument. If I argued something here saying the same thing about Whites and their thinking, I’d get run off this blog very quickly.

Was it not his gun that killed Trayvon? Did he not bring that gun into the situation? Before you pass judgement towards his innocence, which is no different than someone jumping to the conclusion that he’s guilty, you should allow the investigators to analyze the evidence to see what really happened. Any investigator will tell you there are three stories in a case. The victim, the perpetrator, and the truth. So far, all we have in this case is one person’s story.

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It saddens me that folks would stand with Zimmerman just because President Obama spoke in favor of Trayvon and the right wing puppet masters then decided to make it an issue against Obama. Just plain pitiful.

Yeah — what’s even MORE pitiful is how some on this blog will LIE just to make themselves look smarter than they actually are. It’s hurtful because the bigger picture is that a kid was shot and a MURDERER is hiding behind a stupid, poorly written law.

This law will wreck havoc upon the people of Florida until someone shoots a high profile person, (athlete, tourist, grandmother); and then something will be done about it.

but in the meantime, ignorant people will SULLY the name of some kid just so that they can keep a badly written law on the books.

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Pea – Do we have anyone besides Zimmerman saying differently?

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Recon
I think we must wait and hope that justice prevails based on facts…… not politics, innuendo what what our personal perceptions might be

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Um. No. It doesn’t. And the fact that you think it does speaks volumes about your reasoning ability. And secondly the man was not attacked when he got out of the car. He was allegedly attacked when he turned his back and went back to the car.

I’d suggest you go to Google Maps and look at the actual place where the incident happened. They were between buildings, which would mean that Zimmerman walked quite a ways from his vehicle to follow Martin. Nobody’s said that he drove his vehicle between buildings, so he did a bit of walking to get into the situation in the first place.

On the other side, I have heard some legal experts surmise that Martin himself may have been covered by the “stand your ground” law as he was within right to be where he was while being approached by someone who could have been perceived as a threat. Once again, I’ll recommend you reserve your judgement until the facts are known.

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“Pea – Do we have anyone besides Zimmerman saying differently?”

Only thing I’ve seen is the girlfriend that was on the phone w/ Trayvon. We’ll probably never know what truly happened and Zimmerman will probably walk b/c of lack of evidence.

But that won’t stop ‘ol Jesse, Al, et al from ASSuming. Difference is, it only makes an ars out of themselves this time, not me.

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Criminal charges may likely never be leveled against Rambo Zimmerman.

But I assure you, like the aforementioned Orenthal James, this vigilante with a violent history, is in HUGE trouble in terms of an almost certain civil case against him.

And his insanely provocative, needless and deadly actions have probably ruined his life now…

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“now all of sudden he’s a freaking CHOIR BOY?!?” – Nope, never said he was. Simple answer to simple question.

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“How many people voted form Bush and followed him into humungous debt? How many people DAILY follow LimpBalls? Before you call someone a buffoon, you’d better look before you take that leap.”

I voted for Bush twice. Everyone has been “following” government into “humungous debt” for decades. I do not listen to Limbaugh. Where do I jump?

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“Criminal charges may likely never be leveled against Rambo Zimmerman.”

That is a funny phrase, JV – “Rambo Zimmerman”.

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“Only thing I’ve seen is the girlfriend that was on the phone w/ Trayvon. We’ll probably never know what truly happened and Zimmerman will probably walk b/c of lack of evidence.”

What about the witness who stated he saw a someone in red on top of someone punching them. Which is what Zimmerman claimed and the medical facts supported that.

To say “Justice” is only a guilty verdict against Zimmerman is not wanting to see Justice. He may well be guilty but we don’t know that yet.

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Scooter

Good point… Doesn’t the same apply for those who support the Patriot Act?

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“Really? I have a buttload of black friends for teens to folks over 70. ”

Do you mean “boatload”?

Maybe both

hahahahahahaha

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I think it depends on whether one is a butt man or a boat man…

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“But then again, I thought OJ was guilty (even as an 8 year old I had an opinion about that), Casey Anthony was guilty and I think this guy is guilty.”

OJ is guilty even if he was found not so. I think there can be little doubt about that. It was an amazing trial and outcome.

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Brocephus,

I won’t paint all black people as one big, monolithic thinking alike group. You do have the occasionally Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell who dare to think differently than the other 90%. And what they seem to get for thinking differently is derision and scorn. Hell just look at the way they are treated on this blog- especially just today on Clarence thomas.

We all know it was Zimm’s gun that killed Trayvon. You’re not enlightening us on anything new. I’m not saying he is 100% innocent because we don’t know that yet. But the police were there. You and I were not. And those cops that were there did not believe there was anything to charge Zimm with after looking at the evidence at the scene. I think that seeing as how they were there they know a little more about it than you and I.

What I am saying is that so far according to the evidence that we have the man should not be charged. And he wasn’t charged initially. He may yet be charged but the pressure and media coverage could have an undue influence on this. And that’s a shame.

Now it is possible that once they listen to the tapes and determine the angle of shooting and all that they may be able to determine that Trayvon was standing up, backing away, and was shot anyway. If that is determinable then obviously Zimm should be charged.

But now watching from the vigils, the t-shirts, the heated rhetoric at the rallies it seems to be the consensus of those close minded folks that this was murder. They have no interest in the facts and have made up their minds already.

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Still no takers on the Reagan question? Remember, corporations are people

Don’t know why I am responding to this earlier idiotic question but corporations are not people. Kind of like an analogy that says all cars manufactured by GM require safety belts- gotcha…..

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Three things bother me about the Trayvon Martin case…

1. Could it be that Zimmerman, who I believe is half White and half Hispanic, reacted to stereotypes?

2. Zimmerman and Martin are both being character assassinated by leaks to the press. Why hasn’t anyone noticed that Zimmerman is still alive to defend himself, while Martin isn’t?

3. And WTF is it about this law that makes everyone want to defend it? It’s stupid. You want to stand your ground, then do it in the ring or re-establish the dueling laws and meet on the green at dawn. This is a no brainer and the advocates of this law have no brains.

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Steve – Say you, or your child are walking through your neighborhood at night, and are approached by a belligerent man, for no reason, who has been following you since you entered the neighborhood. He then demands to know what you’re doing in his neighborhood, cause you don’t belong there. You have no where to run, and feel like he is a threat to you. What would you do, and what would you suggest your children do? Fight? Or possibly be kidnapped, beaten, raped (you have no idea what this guy wants) or killed simply for trying to go home? Yeah, in certain cases, kicking someone’s butt to save your life is worth it and justified. Oddly enough, even the law supports this idea.

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“Rambo Zimmerman.”

Leave it to JamVet to come through with an injection of timely humor into an otherwise serious conversation.

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“You do have the occasionally Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell who dare to think differently than the other 90%.”

The other 90% all think alike? I assume you use the 90 / 10 based on average voting percentages, but I could be wrong. Well like all races, all blacks do not vote. One can’t reasonably know what that percentage thinks politically or otherwise. For that matter, all black conservatives do not think the same and black liberals, moderates, etc

They are as diverse in their thinking as whites, hispanics, etc.

Voting percentages are one variable when looking at any demographic in terms of what they “dare to think”..

Come on TD

We disagree politically on a lot of things, but you are much smarter man than what you are posting on this issue

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“It saddens me that folks would stand with Zimmerman just because President Obama spoke in favor of Trayvon and the right wing puppet masters then decided to make it an issue against Obama. Just plain pitiful.”

I am not taking a “stand with Zimmerman” but nonetheless believe Obama did what he did largely for political reasons, just as he did with the arrest of that Harvard professor. If you can’t see that, i don’t know what to say. It is not presidential to opine on such events, especially when the local authorities have not finished handling it.

“Yeah — what’s even MORE pitiful is how some on this blog will LIE just to make themselves look smarter than they actually are. It’s hurtful because the bigger picture is that a kid was shot and a MURDERER is hiding behind a stupid, poorly written law.”

Wow…why don’t you just go join the Black Panthers with that rush to judgement? If it turns out to be otherwise, I would expect an apology on this blog for that.

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He may yet be charged but the pressure and media coverage could have an undue influence on this. And that’s a shame.

It’s shameful we have laws protecting creepy stalker types who initiate confrontations and then shoot people to death. I’m not sure why you think that’s a good thing, unless you drive a van with no windows and “free candy” on the side.

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William

I would have to agree that politics to an extent has played a part in terms of the WH…

With that said, what WH in recent history didn’t choose certain issues and events to exploit for political gain?

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Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)

March 27th, 2012
3:18 pm

“but I suspect the facts are going to reveal that Zimmerman has been trying to cover his butt after he shot a kid for kicking his butt.”

You say that like it OK to kick the crap out of someone.
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You stalk follow and harrass ME and I’ll kick your ass and say it’s ok. I don;t have to put up with that crap because I’m black and wearing a hoodie. Oh wait, I’m white with no hoodie……….. doesn’t matter. You stalk me and get in my face raising my fight or flight level to defcojn5 and ONE of us is getting an ass whoopin’

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“With that said, what WH in recent history didn’t choose certain issues and events to exploit for political gain?”

None that I can think of TBS, which saddens me. If we could only get the politics out of politics!

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Can anybody point out what was so political about Obama’s comments? Maybe I’m missing his rhetoric in this case. I can usually distill the political mumbo jumbo from statements, but I’m at a loss on this one.

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William,

Its a pure hypothetical that we can’t go with. No one knows exactly what was said between the 2 that made Trayvon allegedly attack Zimm after he went back to his vehicle.

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William @ 3:37

Isn’t that the truth

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Come on TD

We disagree politically on a lot of things, but you are much smarter man than what you are posting on this issue

I agree. I dunno why Doomy is quasi supporting this, but his heart just doesn’t seem to be in it. Yet on other things he has definitely made a break with the party line.This one though confuses me……

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Bro

We probably disagree but what was Obama talking about when he said “If I had a son he would look like Trayvon”? or something on those lines

Was he attempting to personalize the issue?

Of course I’m not in his mind nor have access to ask him, but I can’t seem to figure that one out

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“Even so, does a butt kicking deserve a shooting? And, what some people seem to not realize is that even though he is claiming to have been covered under the “stand your ground law,” that law doesn’t justify him killing the kid with absolutely no repercussions, it just takes it from Murder 1 to Murder 2 or manslaughter or something.”

I think you misunderstood me or I didn’t communicate clearly enough. I was suggesting that perhaps the utterance of “fighting words” (if this occured) may legally justify a fight, which would weaken a “stand your ground” defense.

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(ir)R – I agree with you.

A 140 lb teenager is walking down the street being followed by a truck.

A 240 lb man gets out of the truck and approaches him in a possibly confrontation manner.

Who would be the aggressor in that situation if the races were reversed?

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Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)

March 27th, 2012
3:39 pm

Fred,

Hope you don’t get shot during that ass whoopin’.
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Unless you gun is in your hand while you are stalking me I’ll take my chances on you shooting me with two broken arms and your teeth shoved down your throat.

you are sounding like a real bullying ass hole. I’m neither scared nor impressed. At nearly 50, I’m still standing…….

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but I suspect the facts are going to reveal that Zimmerman has been trying to cover his butt after he shot a kid for kicking his butt.

Word.

Steve: You say that like it OK to kick the crap out of someone.

– Let’s say you were walking around a predominantly black neighborhood, (don’t know your race — you can substitute “black” for any other race you’d like); and all of a sudden a strange “black” man started following you. Most people, not you though, would be apprehensive. In this age of serial killers and spree killers, most people would feel threatened. Oh, but not you; you would feel perfectly safe if someone who outweighed you, was following you in a car, got out of his car and started following you on foot, (for no reason), suddenly accosted you.

You steve would do nothing. because you would feel no fear or no threat. You are the perfect human.

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(ir)Rational: Gotta beer lol?

But seriously, how can anyone be defending this jerk?

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“Can anybody point out what was so political about Obama’s comments? Maybe I’m missing his rhetoric in this case. I can usually distill the political mumbo jumbo from statements, but I’m at a loss on this one.”

The action was political, since by the time he made his statement this had already become a racial issue in the minds of many (even Jay). So why jump into fray then? He isn’t stupid. And if he representatives said it would be inappropriate for him to comment on the case. If he hadn’t interjected himself previously into the arrest of the Harvard professor (who was black), I might be willing to give him more benefit of the doubt.

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They BOTH

Ok, I’ll buy that…

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Doom

Are you faulting the president for being human? If I remember correctly, a reporter asked him about the incident. It’s been revealed that he’s been briefed pretty regular on what was going on, so why wouldn’t he have a human reaction to that incident? After all, he is the president to ALL Americans. How would that endear him to parents around the country if he just flipped off the question in the manner you suggested? How would you feel if that were your child in the body bag and the president responded just as you said he should? Obama, contrary to popular opinion, IS human. He is also a parent. No parent wants to experience the pain of burying their child, nor do they want to think about that.

If that’s what you consider being political, then ok, as I told They BOTH, I’ll buy it. I don’t agree with it, but the again, we don’t think alike 100% of the time.

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So, if the govt created single payer like Medicare that would be acceptable and they could fund it via taxes and tax everyone. But, if private insurance companies provide the care and its funded by premiums, it’s then unconstitutional?

I suppose then the same thing is true for cell phones. The govt can’t make everyone buy a cellphone but they can issue everyone a cell phone and tax them to pay for it. These conservative justices are really brilliant. LOL

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“I don’t agree with it, but the again, we don’t think alike 100% of the time.”

Unless you are black and it is a 90 / 10 split

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The cops were there and probably noted that the incident took place right near his truck.

Police report does not mention his truck at all. It is noted, however that the incident culminated between buildings.

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Bro

I couldn’t help it……… I had to go there. It seemed so fitting based on the previous back and forths and then your reply to Doom and myself

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Thulsa – I’ve never claimed to be a defense attorney, or any type of attorney. However I did get that from a criminal law professor, so maybe you can take it up with him? I mean, I would consider him an expert, you go with what you want.

Yeah, I’m saying he is probably lying about at least a few of the details, possibly all of them. Do defendants always (or ever) tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in court or before trial or anything else? I’m not saying it is wrong that his lawyer is coaching him, I’m just pointing out that he probably is coaching him to try and get public opinion on his side before the trial (assuming there is one). I have had some experience with my head and concrete meeting, but I didn’t get up and shoot the concrete for hurting me. So, maybe you don’t assume everything? Oh, and as it turns out, what I think doesn’t really matter as the likely hood of me being involved in this case is somewhere between “not going to happen” and “no way in hell is that going to happen.” But yeah, if the evidence comes out that says he was justified, I’d be willing to accept it. But at the same time, I’ll point out, OJ was found “not guilty” do you think he is innocent?

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Thulsa – Sorry if you’re trying to read my response. Not even close to the most organized train of thoughts I’ve ever put down on here.

Bro @ 3:58 – That got me laughin.

Common – Yeah, you have got a point there.

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Doom

From what I heard of Obama’s statement, I didn’t get the perception that he was taking sides at all. Granted, I didn’t hear the entire statement, but I didn’t get that impression. I’m gonna gather that Zimmerman’s family didn’t get that impression either based on the lack of a statement from them directed at Obama’s comments, unless I’ve missed one being released.

People are gonna believe what they choose to believe regardless of what you, Obama, or even I say. To try to blame someone’s opinion on Obama’s statement appears to be a weak attempt to blame Obama for something that he has no control over. At least, that’s my opinion of pinning someone’s beliefs on Obama’s statement.

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Fred,

I don’t need moderation in schooling you. Why don’t you just admit I didn’t say “I” was the one shooting you.

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OK Jay – No more from me.

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Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)

March 27th, 2012
4:06 pm

Fred (Stupid since Birth)

You mean like that one Jay?

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Can anybody give an idea of what Zimmerman’s motive was in approaching Martin? What did he hope to accomplish?

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Don’t forget,

He hadn’t seen the kid before in the neighborhood and there had been a series of recent burglaries in the neighborhood. Hence he was suspicious of who the kid was.

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Thulsa – Wanna continue this here or go to the new sheets? I’m not saying he had time to concoct a BS story, but how much BS does it take to say “he attacked me, I was defending myself” when the police show up? Ask any kid that has ever been in any fight at school. That is the FIRST thing out of their mouth “(s)he started it.” I’m not the law, I’m not required to assume he is innocent until proven guilty. The only place I’m hearing about this witness is here (but that isn’t to say they don’t exist, I’m just saying I’ve not seen anything about it on the news). Once again though, I’m not required to assume he is innocent. I want him to prove his innocence because what he did, no matter how you swing it, was wrong.

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But Thulsa, what did he think would happen when he approched him? If I were Zimmerman and I thought he was “up to no good”, I might try to keep him in sight so I could alert the cops but I wouldn’t want him to know I was keeping an eye on him so that he wouldn’t take off and get away.

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ir – I try not to think about it.

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Joe, I agree but determination of motive is usually a part of determining the believability of any particular scenario.

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Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats

March 27th, 2012
4:31 pm

You sound ridiculous.

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Thulsa – What other testimony? Has this gone to some trial that only you know about? There is no “testimony” without a trial.

Don’t Forget – Guess I shouldn’t bring up Rush then should I?

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I have read through several hundred replies, and its clear that the libs are idiots.

The problem ALWAYS boils down to the fact that a subset of the population is paying the healthcare for all. Right now, the insured are paying for the uninsured. Under Obamacare, the people who pay federal income taxes will be paying for the people that 1. Don’t have insurance through work and who 2. don’t pay federal taxes.

As always, the 51% of people who pay federal income taxes will be paying for uninsured of the 49% who don’t pay federal income taxes.

Insurance is no guarantee that you will be able to pay. My family pays about $4500 a year out of pocket ON TOP of $14000 in premiums. It strikes me that if I had saved up all the premiums I have paid for the last 30 years, that I would have about $300k ready for most any out of pocket emergencies, and that is AFTER paying for catastrophic coverage. There are other ways than insurance controlled by the government to solve this problem.

Simply put, the Democrats have decided that THIS is the way so that they can push the burden to the 51%, so that that can buy the votes of their constituents. This WILL fail. The GAO has already admitted that this Obamacare, minus the accounting gimmicks, is going to cost about twice as much as expected (and that is WITHOUT the long term care provision!). Our country simply cannot sustain that. The only way that Obamacare will work is to 1) Deny coverage to the diabetic lard asses who used about 70% of the healthcare in this country and 2) To stop the exorbitant spending that occurs at end-of-life. These two situations eat up the vast amount of healthcare dollars. Without directly addressing these two situations, no amount of cost savings can be realized. We are simply rearranging the deck chairs (the payers) on the Titanic.

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Jeffrey Toobin’s commentary on CNN today was pretty funny:

“This law looks like it’s going to be struck down. I’m telling you, all of the predictions, including mine, that the justices would not have a problem with this law were wrong,”

And he’s their top legal analyst? Maybe he should try weather forecasting instead.

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“We are simply rearranging the deck chairs (the payers) on the Titanic.”

LOL. Soon it will be the 100th anniversary of its sinking. I hope that is just coincidence.

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From linked article:

“Obama felt so strongly about the issue that he even cut an ad attacking Clinton for her support of the individual mandate. “Hillary Clinton’s attacking, but what’s she not telling you about her health care plan?” the April 2008 ad asked. “It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can’t afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don’t.”

Once in office, Obama changed his mind, telling CBS in July 2009: “During the campaign I was opposed to this idea because my general attitude was the reason people don’t have health insurance is not because they don’t want it, it’s because they can’t afford it. And if you make it affordable, then they’ll come. I am now in favour of some sort of individual mandate as long as there’s a hardship exemption.” This volte face merited a “full flop” rating from Politifact.”

What say you, liberals?

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mm- In 1986, Reagan signed a bill into law that forces hospitals (even against their will) to treat anyone that walks into the emergency room, even if they can’t pay. I can’t wait to watch you twist yourselves into knots defending that one

So what you’re saying is obamacare was a complete waste of time since current laws already cover everyone. I agree.

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Look at it this way…..If the law is thrown out, only the Rich will be able to afford Healthcare (The Kind Of Healthcare That Cheney Has) ….Poor peeps will still be without adequate healthcare….especially the POOR (which is most of us). Try to rationalize it any way you want to, but we poor suckers are being manipulated (by the Insurance companies and their buddies who own the media) to Cut Our Own Throats. IDIOTS!

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