Ga. Legislature shows little regard for free speech
Georgia Republicans like to talk about honoring and protecting the U.S. Constitution. But they are about to pass a law that blatantly violates one of its most important protections, the freedom of speech.
I’m not a fan of picketing or demonstrations at private residences; as a matter of policy and decency, family homes ought to be off-limits. The U.S. Supreme Court, in Frisby v. Schultz, agreed, with Justice Sandra Day O’Connor writing the majority opinion upholding a ban on demonstrations enacted by Brookfield, Wisc.:
“The type of picketers banned by the Brookfield ordinance generally do not seek to disseminate a message to the general public, but to intrude upon the targeted resident, and to do so in an especially offensive way. Moreover, even if some such picketers have a broader communicative purpose, their activity nonetheless inherently and offensively intrudes on residential privacy. The devastating effect of targeted picketing on the quiet enjoyment of the home is beyond doubt.”
The core of O’Connor’s argument was that picketing and demonstrations targeting a private home are less expressions of speech than they are attempts to harass and intimidate. I think that’s right.
However, Senate Bill 469 is a very different animal. Sponsored by state Sen. Don Balfour, R-Gwinnett, the bill attempts to use O’Connor’s argument to justify a limited ban on picketing of private homes that “interfere(s) with the resident’s right of peaceful quiet enjoyment.” It’s that “limited” part that so clearly violates the Constitution.
Under SB 469, you see, the only people or groups that are banned from protesting outside private residences in Georgia are labor unions and union members.
As the bill’s sponsors have made very clear, SB 469 would still allow anti-abortion protesters to demonstrate outside the home of a physician or hospital executive. Environmental groups would still be able to protest outside the homes of company executives. Church groups could still protest outside the homes of strip-club operators.
Labor unions — and only labor unions — would be prevented from expressing their opinions in such a manner. And only company executives who might be targeted by such protests would be protected by the law. Everybody else is on their own.
Because that provision so blatantly discriminates against a particular point of view and against a particular group of people, it is also blatantly unconstitutional.
This is not an arcane point of constitutional law. It is not a close call. Georgia legislators know that what they’re about to pass violates the right to free speech, but they don’t seem to care much.
The bill has already passed the Senate. This morning, in a surprise 9 a.m. committee meeting that wasn’t publicly announced until after 8 a.m., it was also approved by the House Industrial Relations Committee by an 8-1 vote. Democrats on the committee weren’t warned of the meeting beforehand, so only one managed to make the vote. (Another bill significantly cutting unemployment benefits for jobless Georgians was approved at the same time.)
To their credit, Tea Party supporters in Georgia also oppose the bill, recognizing that a government that tries to discriminate on the basis of what message is being communicated is a dangerous government to everybody. But their voices, like the voices of so many others, are drowned out by the voice of those who speak loudly and wield big bucks.
– Jay Bookman
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Mick
March 26th, 2012
2:28 pm
I’ll never understand the south and their zealotry of anti-union. Is it the bad memories of the Union army?
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
2:28 pm
Sort of like House Bill 347 which is a blatant restriction on the right of free speech that Bozo signed into law recently. No comment about that, Bookman?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
March 26th, 2012
2:29 pm
Will these Republican’s ever learn?
Jay
March 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
Gov. Bozo, kayaker? I’m not familiar with him or her. From what state?
reasonable uber conservative
March 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
I agree with you Jay, either allow them all or don’t allow anyone at all. though I do side with the fine Sandra O’Connor, protesting at a residence is an attempt to harass, it should be done at a public location. Sometimes I wonder if these Republicans really represent me anymore.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
March 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
Oh boy, more deflection. The ODS is strong in these threads
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:34 pm
“No comment about that, Bookman?”
blogspot.com is ready when you are
Paul
March 26th, 2012
2:35 pm
Your legislature is on a roll, Jay.
Downhill.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:36 pm
“it should be done at a public location”
Well, here’s the thing: if the picketers are on a sidewalk, they’re on public property. If they’re on a road (when there is no sidewalk) they’re on public property.
chuck
March 26th, 2012
2:36 pm
I don’t have a problem with this bill because we are not talking about political speech here, we are talking about labor disputes. The proper forum for that is at the negotiating table or picketing the building in a commercial area. The problem with labor unions is that they aren’t satisfied with just walking a picket line. They also want to use clubs, throw rocks, and harass anybody who gets in their way. The fact is that it isn’t JUST the company management that is hurt by this but also all of the NEIGHBORS who have to take their kids to school, the NEIGHBORS who have to listen to noise and vile language being spewed by these ruffians, and the total disruption of the NEIGHBORHOOD.
Mick
March 26th, 2012
2:38 pm
yaker
Really now, the name calling of the president is quite sophomoric, thereby lessing anything of substance in your debate…
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:39 pm
“I don’t have a problem with this bill because we are not talking about political speech here”
The Constitution says “the right to free speech” it doesn’t say “the right to poliitcal free speech”
Talking Head
March 26th, 2012
2:40 pm
I agree that this bill should apply to all groups and individuals. However I can see why the bill was written this way with the somewhat recent protests of bank executives by union members (doesn’t make it right that the bill only targets them though).
chuck
March 26th, 2012
2:41 pm
doggone…the point is that LABOR DISPUTES have no place in neighborhoods. PERIOD.
reasonable uber conservative
March 26th, 2012
2:42 pm
Doggone/GA, do you want someone to protest on a side walk right in front of your house or a neighbor’s house and wake up early saturday/ sunday morning. going to someones house, even a side walk in front of a house is not to express their free political speech but to harass the resident who doesn’t see their point of view, also like Chuck said, labor disputes are something that should stay at a work location not follow an employee home….
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:42 pm
“the point is that LABOR DISPUTES have no place in neighborhoods”
Free speech is free speech. A public sidewalk or road is public property. It’s unconstitutional no matter how you look at it.
Stop...Just Stop
March 26th, 2012
2:42 pm
Kayaker,
I’m going to ask you the same question I’ve taken to asking a lot of people lately whose principle argument is to ignore what someone has to say and to justify doing so by saying “but but but…….you (or your side, or someone who I think is on your side) did this.”
Acting like you just did is nothing short of pure passive aggressive behavior. Passive aggressive behavior is primarily the province of five year olds and spoiled sixteen year old girls. (I have children of both types in my house.)
So my question to you is….which are you? A five year old or a adolescent girl? Take your time, I know this is a tough one.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
March 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
This won’t past constitutional muster.
oh and chuck
I wish I could show you the scars my grandad got fighting union busting goons so selfish mean spirited folks could have a 40 work week and
a bathroom break.
reasonable uber conservative
March 26th, 2012
2:44 pm
Doggone, go scream FIRE in a movie theatre….it’s free speech…you can’t do that. the Supreme Court has generally ruled that political speech is an entity that needs protection and has classified it as such. labor disputes do not equal political speech.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:44 pm
“do you want someone to protest on a side walk right in front of your house or a neighbor’s house and wake up early saturday/ sunday morning.”
If they are not breaking any laws, why not? It’s our right to seek redress of our complaints via the exercise of free speech.
“also like Chuck said, labor disputes are something that should stay at a work location not follow an employee home….”
Nope, as long as they’re not on private property, they have the right to protest publically.
I remember
March 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
To my knowledge its only the labor unions, particularly Obama’s favorite SEIU goons, who have used the “bus hundreds of people to private homes to intimidate ” tactics. Sorry that they were singled out, why should everyone lose rights becasue union’s can’t conduct themselves appropriately?
Mary Elizabeth
March 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
ALEC appears to be the source of much of Georgia’s conservative based Republican legislation. Read the below to become aware. I asked this question on Maureen Downey’s blog and I will repeat it here:
“When will the AJC ask reporters to investigate ALEC’s influence on Georgia’s legislators, and when will the AJC publish findings of that investigation – so that the public will know?
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/78448237?access_key=key-a6hdjq8v38luteku97w
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“But their voices, like the voices of so many others, are drowned out by the voice of those who speak loudly and wield big bucks.”
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From the link above:
“Led by some of the largest corporations in America, ALEC has quietly brought together legislators and corporate lobbyists to draft legislation behind closed doors. Much of this legislation is designed to benefit directly the bottom lines of corporations that are members of ALEC—corporations like Coca-Cola, Koch Industries, United States Smokeless Tobacco Company and Comcast. ALEC exists specifically so that lobbyists and corporations can influence state legislative policies away from public view. At its meetings, held in some of the most exclusive resorts and hotels to ensure secrecy, corporate lobbyists share their wish lists of legislative proposals to be introduced at state capitols around the country. Legislators take this cookie-cutter legislation, make some changes to it, then introduce it in their own states, often without understanding the full impact of what they are proposing. With help from corporate political contributions, lobbyists then help move the legislation forward. We all like to think that our state laws are created when a constituent raises an issue with a legislator, who then drafts legislation to fix that problem. Increasingly however, that’s not the case and corporate lobbyists, not our legislators, are drafting Minnesota’s laws.”
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
Under SB 469, you see, the only people or groups that are banned from protesting outside private residences in Georgia are labor unions and union members.
As the bill’s sponsors have made very clear, SB 469 would still allow anti-abortion protesters to demonstrate outside the home of a physician or hospital executive. Environmental groups would still be able to protest outside the homes of company executives. Church groups could still protest outside the homes of strip-club operators.
I guess one could view this new bill as a good start. As “white bread chuck” from the old W2W blog points out above, neighborhood protests also harass non-involved neighbors who are prevented form enjoying the peaceful occupation of their respective properties. World of difference between “public” protests done at the commercial/government site of the protestee vs “private” protests done at people’s homes.
Still shirking at the taxpayer’s expense, chuck??
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
“go scream FIRE in a movie theatre….it’s free speech”
Nope, it isn’t. Try again.
Mick
March 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
granny
That lesson is all but lost and most likely will have to be refought again in the future because there are way too many knuckleheads who don’t know their labor history…
Jay
March 26th, 2012
2:47 pm
So labor disputes have no place in neighborhoods, Chuck, but abortion disputes do? Political disputes do?
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
2:48 pm
EZ call on this one. Sandra Day O’Connor was right, period.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
March 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
Mick
Yep, and generally knuckleheads are too cowardly to fight the battles…
Jefferson
March 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
Employers should pay a larger unemployment premium, their gravy train has caught up with Georgia’s ability to pay its bills and provide for the workers. What a bunch of children.
reasonable uber conservative
March 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
that’s my point doggone, I know it’s not….neither is being angry that my employeer won’t give me a $1.50 an hour wage increase and pay 10% more on my health premiums. that’s a labor dispute that should stay at a work place and not follow the employer to his private residents….
Mick
March 26th, 2012
2:50 pm
mary elizabeth
Check out krugman today and his comments on ALEC. Another koch funded organization trying to change america for the worst…
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
2:50 pm
Hmmmm, those protesters look suspicious…………..
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
2:51 pm
I’m going to ask you the same question I’ve taken to asking a lot of people lately whose principle argument is to ignore what someone has to say and to justify doing so by saying “but but but…….you (or your side, or someone who I think is on your side) did this.”
Stop–Have you ever heard of the principle of truth-seeking called “putting things into context”?? If the only context you will allow is one in which Republicans are forever wrong and Democrats are forever right, maybe it’s you who needs to do a maturity level check.
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
2:52 pm
HR 347….. a bill signed into law almost unanimously by a Republican Congress, a Democratic Senate and a Democratic President. Called a fairy tale name, “The Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act”, this law is said necessary to “improve public grounds by moving protestors elsewhere”. This makes it easier for the government to criminalize protest. It makes it a federal offense punishable for up to 10 yrs to protest anywhere the secret service is guarding someone. At “National Special Security Events”, ie the Super Bowl, a concert, the Winter Olympics, a sporting event, you can be arrested for speaking out. This makes it easier for those being protested to shield themselves from protestors.
I am surprised that you liberals with all of your “fairness doctrine” would not be outraged by something like this. I never said that I and others like me liked what the OWS people were saying. But they have every right to say it.
chuck
March 26th, 2012
2:53 pm
Ever hear of something called “disturbing the peace”? If your position is that there are no limits on “free speech”, then why do government buildings, college campuses and other entities like malls, have so-called “free speech zones”? Why is it okay to restrict speech to just those areas if you can’t add a restriction like this?
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:53 pm
“that’s a labor dispute that should stay at a work place and not follow the employer to his private residents”
Nope. It’s a complaint that is being aired via free speech. As long as they are on a public sidewalk or road, they have just as much right to exercise their free speech as do any other protestors.
mm
March 26th, 2012
2:54 pm
“ALEC appears to be the source of much of Georgia’s conservative based Republican legislation.”
It’s the same all over the country. These rightwing bozos don’t have an original thought in their heads. Just look at the posts on this blog.
The ignorant defending the indefensible.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:55 pm
“Why is it okay to restrict speech to just those areas if you can’t add a restriction like this?
Well, I would not agree that it’s Ok to do that either.
Thulsa Doom
March 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
“Free speech is free speech. A public sidewalk or road is public property”
Porn is protected as “free speech”. I can just see it now. Ron Jeremy practicing his free speech on the sidewalk in front of Pat Robertson’s house.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
2:58 pm
I am surprised that you liberals with all of your “fairness doctrine” would not be outraged by something like this. I never said that I and others like me liked what the OWS people were saying. But they have every right to say it.
Kayaker—-shhhhhhh. The Libs here love their selective outrage so much, they want to limit all blog speech to only outrages that are strictly Republican in origin. Focus, man, focus.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
Hmmmm, those protesters look suspicious…………..
Hmmmm, those protesters are wearing hoodies…………..
STAND YOUR GROUND!
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
“Ron Jeremy practicing his free speech on the sidewalk in front of Pat Robertson’s house.”
If he’s violating public decency laws that apply to ALL then he is not protected from the consequences of his actions.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
“Fairness doctrine”, trying to booth Limbaugh from the airwaves, going after his advertisers. Libs do love free speech they do. They just love it when its they free speech they do.
Liberals- they low down. They lie. Dey snitches too!
ragnar danneskjold
March 26th, 2012
3:01 pm
Agree, 469 should be broadened. Homes should be off limits.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
3:01 pm
Doggone,
I knows. I just figured I would insert that visual in there for shock value. I should have inserted my keep up disclaimer letting folks know that it was just a facetious statement.
Mary Elizabeth
March 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
Mick, 2:50 pm
Thanks for the tip, Mick. I had not read Krugman’s editorial today, but I will certainly read it later today. I’m gone for now. Appreciate the tip. ALEC was organized in the 1970s and has been on the move since then, but it has been low key and secretive about its ideological manueverings to impact America toward its ends. The public has only recently become aware.
I just scanned the Krugman article and I noticed that he mentioned union busting associated with ALEC. Here is the link. I will read the article, thoroughly, this evening. For anyone else who wants to know more about how and why much of this nation has changed as it has in the last few decades, I recommend that you read this link, also:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
Libs wif dey selective outrage? Say it aint so…
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
This Georgia Bill is just as idiotic as Bozo’s legislation. It’s that creeping effort to erode our rights. Do it just a little at a time…. not too fast or protests will be too great. Then when the public has gotten used to the new rules, make another one, not too blatant, not too gross but just enough to re-inforce your point. No one draws a line in the sand, the media does not protest unless it is a Republican doing it and then we are ready for another one. Pretty soon, you are being led around by the nose by a powerful government intent on maintaining it’s power and increasing it when it can. Doesn’t make a tinker’s damn who the political party is. It’s being done every day and no one is saying anything.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:04 pm
Chuck, please do, in some cogent fashion, address the question at 2:47 that was asked directly of you. Or don’t.
But on it rests the entire speciousness of your assertion…
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
3:04 pm
Thulsa, what is your opposition to consumers who think Rush is a cancer boycotting Rush’s sponsors?
Stop...Just Stop
March 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Kayaker,
Your 2:52 post did nothing but bolster my point.
chuck
March 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Jay, I don’t think it is okay to disturb the peace of a private neighborhood for any reason, and I don’t think the first amendment protects one from being arrested for disturbing the peace. As I said before, if what we were talking about here was just a peaceful picket in front of someone’s house that doesn’t restrict traffic in the neighborhood or foot traffic such as people walking their dogs or jogging, I wouldn’t have too much of a problem with it. The reason this bill was introduced though was because of the violent assaults on people’s sensibilities through the angry rhetoric, screaming obscenities and other misbehaviors that seem to follow unions (aka organized crime).
Brudog, wazzup? Still down in S. Georgia?
Mick
March 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
bruno
Yes, it’s required to drop the lib card into every post these days, where is your argumentive creativity man? Bummer…
ragnar danneskjold
March 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Group offers $10,000 to ‘capture’ Anwar al-Awlaki’s killer – would that distress anyone?
nydailynews.com/news/national/black-panther-rage-10g-capture-trayvon-killer-article-1.1050370
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
” going after his advertisers”
When advertisers purchase “air time” what they are buying is access to an audience, in the hope that it will increase their sales. If it becomes clear to them that they are quite likely to LOSE business because of which show they buy time on…it is THEIR decision whether to continue supporting that show or not. No one is forcing them to stop.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:06 pm
Porn is protected as “free speech”. I can just see it now. Ron Jeremy practicing his free speech on the sidewalk in front of Pat Robertson’s house.
As a funny aside, you may remember that Jerry Falwell and Larry Flynt were close friends prior to Falwell’s passing. As Flynt liked to say: “I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling.”
Here’s a followup story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-flynt20may20,0,2751741.story
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
3:07 pm
Gov. Bozo, kayaker? I’m not familiar with him or her. From what state?
Why, from his “state” of mind. It’s a scary place. Full of clowns. With big teeth.
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:08 pm
Limbaugh, Thulsa? Is that the same Limbaugh who led mobs howling for a ban on the Dixie Chicks for the crime of saying they were ashamed to be from the same state as President Bush?
How about the attempted boycott of Disneyland for hosting gay-friendly events? Or the attempted boycott of JC Penney for hiring Ellen as spokesman?
This claim of right-wing abhorrence of economic boycotts is laughable.
William
March 26th, 2012
3:09 pm
“This is not an arcane point of constitutional law. It is not a close call.”
Jay, the lamentable FACT is that we are now so far from things being truly constitutional it is hard to see how we can remedy the situation without something akin to a revolution. It is almost pointless to argue about the constitutionally of this or that law because so much of what the federal government does is strictly unconstitutional. All three branches of the federal government are complicit in subverting the constitution since almost the beginning of our nation.
I ask everyone here: what is the point of having a contractual standard like the Constitution if people want to pick and choose what they will comply with? We need to get the Constitution and practices in line, even if that means modifying both so that we can really have a blueprint. And if anyone here wants to dispute my main contention, then I would recommend you do some serious study of the drafting and ratification of the Constitution to understand what it was intended to do and how, through the years, it has become less and less a manual for the way things are done.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
Brudog, wazzup? Still down in S. Georgia?
Yep, still working my tail off in Columbus. You should be getting close to retirement by now, eh?? Looks like I’ll be working until I drop…….
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
I wonder if that ban on speech also includes the Labor Union’s free $$$peech as well…
As to picketing private residences, if the protest is on public property, I don’t see how one can limit the protest and not run afoul of the 1st Amendment. If the protest gets rowdy or causes a disturbance, then that’s somehing different and more of a disturbing the peace issue.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
Don’t Forget,
Its their choice to do so. I just believe in free speech. Personally I want the craziest lib speakers to be heard because in my view they cannot win the battle of ideas and rational thought.
I just find it curious that in general you don’t find cons advocating shutting down other folks free speech no matter how repulsive or wrong headed. Its generally the liberals who want to silence people’s free speech and go to the lengths of going after someone’s advertisers in an effort to silence them. Cons are disgusted by the things Bill Maher says about conservative women. But we don’t want him taken off the air and we don’t go after HBO in organized efforts to silence his free speech.
Its just a very noticeable difference in attitudes about free speech between cons and libs. Libs try to silence those with whom they disagree while cons generally do not.
Butch Cassidy
March 26th, 2012
3:12 pm
Is this the same Balfour who recently decided that bailouts, as long as they are issued by Republicans, are good?
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
3:13 pm
Republicans have already established what they are. Beyond that, it’s just dickering over price. If you want to find a Georgia Republican politician, look for the highest bidder. That would be the corporate CEO’s house guaranteed by Georgia law to have no picketers, for one thing.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Jay,
I’ve never heard of any of that. Seems I need to listen to Limbaugh more often. Must not have gotten much traction amongst many cons. You must be listening to a lot of Limbaugh. Certainly a lot more than me. And if what you say is true then Limbaugh deserved what he got in people going after his advertisers.
Mick
March 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
**Libs try to silence those with whom they disagree while cons generally do not**
Another day of snot nosed, one sided gibberish brought to you by the anti libbers bedwetters club…
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
FYI, I’m in the Georgia Senate chambers.
They’ve just begun debate on HB 954, the anti-abortion bill that I’ve written about earlier. If you wish, you can watch live at http://www.gpb.org/lawmakers/senate
Butch Cassidy
March 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
Thulsa Doom – “But we don’t want him taken off the air and we don’t go after HBO in organized efforts to silence his free speech. ”
No need, only those who want to see and hear Maher are affected, because HBO is a premium subscriber paid service. Now, if everyone with an HBO subscription suddenly became indignant, then they might be able to make a difference. Of course, they’d have to deal with people who think that Trueblood is nothing more than soft core vampire porn, and on and on we go…..
chuck
March 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
’bout 5 more years and I’ll hang it up. I won’t miss it much either. This is a crazy time to be a teacher.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
3:16 pm
“If the protest gets rowdy or causes a disturbance, then that’s somehing different and more of a disturbing the peace issue”
Exactly. Same as with yelling “Fire” in a crowded place. If it’s true, that’s your defense. If it’s not true, then it’s not free speech – it’s disturbing the peace.
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
3:17 pm
I just find it curious that in general you don’t find cons advocating shutting down other folks free speech no matter how repulsive or wrong headed.
Ummm, is that not what Jay’s topic is all about? A 8-1 vote in committee with one Democrat voting.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:17 pm
…violent assaults on people’s sensibilities…
What the ??? does that even mean?
This is a strange conflation with the rights of ALL non-union protests that will not be affected by this proposed legislation with an entirely unrelated topic of violent or peaceful protests.
Oh, and that penchant for some to lay the blame for illegal activities therein at the feet of one group only, though it happens across the board.
And the bigger question to me, is why are these quasi-fascists so threatened by the constitutionally protected right to assemble and petition to redress grievances?
Why, from his “state” of mind. It’s a scary place. Full of clowns. With big teeth.
TaxP. that cracked me up! This place is like a Stephen King story sometimes!
Road Scholar
March 26th, 2012
3:18 pm
But but but the repubs promised transparency and time to ponder legislation after Obamacare approval…but…
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
3:19 pm
So the Black Panther thugs, along with Farrakhan, are organizing a 10,000 black man march to find this “white Hispanic” perp who has not even been charged with a crime yet. Where is the President, where is Sharpton, where is Je$$ie, where is Holder and our Justice Dept.? Vigilante justice and Holder is not saying a word. Hell, his special counsel resigned over the failure to prosecute these thugs then wrote a book about how racially biased that the Dept of Justice has become since Holder took over. The media?….. silent for the most part. What if this was the Tea Party? Wow. Can you imagine all of those silver haired people with their protest signs? They might even hit you with their lawn chairs. Those brown shirted racist Nazis…..
William
March 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
“It’s just a very noticeable difference in attitudes about free speech between cons and libs. Libs try to silence those with whom they disagree while cons generally do not.”
I’m not sure I agree with this entirely, TD. Conservatives do try to “punish” offensive speech and behavior through boycotts, consumer complaints and the like. I would concede that liberals try to restrict speech through government and so are, perhaps, more Orwellian in that regard.
Peadawg
March 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
“Labor unions — and only labor unions — would be prevented from expressing their opinions in such a manner.” – And there’s the problem. Like that Theory of a Deadman song says – “all of nothing let’s just give it a try”.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
Gotta run, but I’d love to hear Jay’s take on the ongoing “no context allowed” argument which the Leftie’s keep throwing up here. Is it some kind of intellectual dishonesty to see how one particular political party’s transgressions stack up against the others’?? Is a breach of the Bookman Blog etiquette to discuss wrongdoing by Democrats, or should all conversation be necessarily pro-Democrat and anti-Republican??
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
Bruno
From downstairs about your advice on medical insurance, I can’t take the chance with a high deductible. Being constantly exposed to stuff like meningitis, the measles, TB, HIV, and other stuff both knowingly and unknowingly leaves me little room to gamble with my health. As I said, it’s a precaution that I’m willing to pay for because of my line of work. I’ve even been exposed to stuff that I have no clue what it was. Nothing worse than seeing somebody with some wicked looking rash standing right in front of you or finding that rash after you’ve had to grab them and secure them….
Peadawg
March 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
“FYI, I’m in the Georgia Senate chambers.” – Wave to the camera, Jay!
Btw…funny Jay is talking about the constitution while supporting the gov’t forcing us to buy a private product.
Sorry…couldn’t help it.
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:25 pm
“Cons are disgusted by the things Bill Maher says about conservative women. But we don’t want him taken off the air and we don’t go after HBO in organized efforts to silence his free speech.”
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a357576/bill-maher-upsets-conservatives-prompts-hbo-boycott-over-tebow-tweet.html
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/should-conservatives-boycott-hbo-over-bill-maher
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bozell-fire-shultz-msnbc/2012/03/16/id/432821
etc. etc., etc.,
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
From the way I read that opinion, all protests and picketing of private residenses is banned by the Supreme Court. The law is not offensive because it bans speech in front of private houses, but because it only bans some speech. Don’t see the point of the law since the Supreme Court has already banned all such speech. They need to find something better to do with their time down at the state house.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
Jay,
I binged Limbaugh boycotting Dixie Chicks and can’t seem to find anything. Obviously he had a lot of criticism about them but I can’t find anything on an organized boycott led by the “howling Rush Limbaugh”. Your indignation is a bit exaggerated.
As for the other 2 boycotts you mentioned I don’t see much of a boycott attempt. The fact that these boycotts failed so miserably tells me there wasn’t much steam behind them- hence my statement seems to be standing true.
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
Brocephus,
What line of work are you in?
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
Nothing worse than seeing somebody with some wicked looking rash standing right in front of you or finding that rash after you’ve had to grab them and secure them….
The only thing worse might be not noticing a rash until the morning after a drunken bar pick-up.
William
March 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
“Btw…funny Jay is talking about the constitution while supporting the gov’t forcing us to buy a private product.”
With the escalating cost of health insurance, you are going to have to either require people to buy insurance of sign a waiver in which they accept full responsibility for their own medical expenses. We simply cannot, as taxpayers, keep underwriting the cost of irresponsible citizen or illegal immigrants. We cannot afford it, period.
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
Peadawg
__________
If it helps, thinks of it as everyone being forced to pay their fair share into the health care system.
(For the record, I am not in favor of the mandates either)
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
We simply cannot, as taxpayers, keep underwriting the cost of irresponsible citizen or illegal immigrants. We cannot afford it, period.
William–What do you expect to change following the mandate?? How much of the 8% of insurance premiums attributed to non-reimbursed care for the uninsured can you reasonably expect to recapture?? Hint: the vast majority of the uninsured are young, poor, or here illegally.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
As for that avalanche of sponsors that bailed on the Excrement in Broadcasting program, it was all brought about by peaceful protests.
Awesome. Does he have ANY left? LOL.
Much like those kids at that Woolworth’s counter in Greensboro, NC brought economic pressure to bear against injustice, this is the ultimate American/capitalist way of fighting back.
And even though Ronnie loved the apartheid regime, how the corporations in this country and other groups around the world forced South Africa to clean up it’s horrible act.
And why it is so disheartening to see these FAR right wing Republicans that are so adamantly opposed to grass roots efforts by working people to take on injustice.
One more observation about chuck’s “violent assaults on people’s sensibilities”, would he fully endorse legislation that would keep the Westboro Baptist Church from protesting at funerals of Georgia veterans?
chuck
March 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
Just a sampling of what I am talking about:
In Hamburg, New York, near Buffalo, leaders of the International Union of Operating Engineers Local 17 stand accused of violent acts, threats of violence, and destruction of property. According to court papers and to coverage by the Buffalo News, the charges against them include stabbing a knife into the neck of a construction company president, throwing hot coffee at non-union workers, pouring sand into gas tanks and transmissions of 17 construction vehicles, and threatening sexual assault against the wife of a company representative.
Earlier this month union violence erupted in the West, with angry longshoremen bringing shipping to a halt in the ports of Seattle and Tacoma.
At a new $200 million grain export terminal in Longview, Washington, 500 members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, outraged that terminal owners were using labor from a different union, stormed the terminal before sunrise on September 8. Wielding baseball bats, they smashed windows and dumped tons of grain from 72 railroad freight cars, according to local law enforcement and to accounts in the Seattle Times, the New York Times and the Journal of Commerce.
“A group of Washington, D.C. protesters upset about the possibility of a Wal-Mart store coming to their area is hoping to send the potential developer of the proposed store a message. So much so that they‘re planning to march to and protest at the developer’s personal residence. The group has even gone as far as to circulate the man’s home address.
But the address may not be the flyer’s only controversial element. Ironically, it also contains a target symbol — a similar picture to the one seen on a district map created by Sarah Palin and that’s sparked outrage from the left in the wake of the shootings in Tucson. And what‘s worrying is that the group’s symbol is connected to specific event at a private residence:”
“A similar protest from this past summer, however, raises concerns about the organization’s tactics.
Last May, a group of picketers from the SEIU showed up at the home of Bank of America executive Greg Baer. The only one home at the time of the protest, however, was Baer’s teenage son. The boy was so frightened by those shouting outside, he locked himself in the bathroom until his dad returned home (where Baer had to fight his way through the crowd) to comfort him.”
Peadawg
March 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
I didn’t mean to change subjects or “deflect”. I was just making a funny. But I’ll address this real quick:
“If it helps, thinks of it as everyone being forced to pay their fair share into the health care system.” – Which sounds very nice. It really does. But forcing people to buy a private product (insurance in this case) opens up Pandora’s box that doesn’t need to be open. That’s my problem with it.
Carry on with the current subject…just tried to poke at Jay.
getalife
March 26th, 2012
3:36 pm
Poking pea.
Now they want your facebook password after you pee in a cup.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:37 pm
Just a sampling of the violent assaults on people’s sensibilities that I am talking about…
Shouldn’t this be outlawed in Georgia?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8
ragnar danneskjold
March 26th, 2012
3:37 pm
469 is clearly inadequate for the purpose: redstate.com/erick/2012/03/26/the-left-no-longer-finds-dissent-patriotic/
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
3:38 pm
Carry on with the current subject…just tried to poke at Jay.
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The current subject seems to be a dead issue. No protests or picketing is allowed in front of a private home by virtue of the Surpreme Court decision. While you are down there at the state house, can you explain that to them.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
3:38 pm
So, according to the Georgia Republican party of holier than thou white men, they own their women and they’ll decide what they can and cannot do. I’m sure Republican women all over the state are bowing their heads in affirmation. However, they are no longer happy with just owning their Republican women. Now they want to own all women, regardless of their beliefs.
By the way, how much is the state willing to pay for this new right to own all women’s bodies.
William
March 26th, 2012
3:39 pm
“William–What do you expect to change following the mandate?? How much of the 8% of insurance premiums attributed to non-reimbursed care for the uninsured can you reasonably expect to recapture?? Hint: the vast majority of the uninsured are young, poor, or here illegally.”
A good percentage of it. One does what he has or wants to do. It is a matter of priorities. Many of these same people probably have iPhones, cars, gaming systems, big screen televisions and other non-essential things. I haven’t researched it to see if he was right, but one good point Santorum made in the debates is that only 2% of those young people who 1) graduated from HS 2) had a job and 3) got married before having children were below the poverty line. I suspect that a whole lot of people’s economic woes are behavioral more than anything else.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
3:39 pm
they are attempts to harass and intimidate.
Ok, everyone to Jay’s house tonight to picket. Everybody bring a different brand of bourbon as gifts to harass and intimidate.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
3:39 pm
“Now they want your facebook password after you pee in a cup”
Not a problem for me! Heck, here’s my facebook password for ANYONE who wants it:
William
March 26th, 2012
3:40 pm
“But forcing people to buy a private product (insurance in this case) opens up Pandora’s box that doesn’t need to be open. That’s my problem with it.”
No problem. They can sign a waiver taking full responsibility for their own medical expenses.
chuck
March 26th, 2012
3:40 pm
Jamvet, I think the westboro protestors are scumbags. If they were doing their protests in a peaceful neighborhood, following the family of a soldier to their homes, I would be in favor of such a law.
BTW, Rush’s advertising actually increased after the “boycott” according to at least one report I heard, and so did his audience share.
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
3:41 pm
o, according to the Georgia Republican party of holier than thou white men, they own their women
___________
Are the GOP Muslims now. I thought it was the Muslims who thought they owned their women. Or is it also Christians who read the Old Testament.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:41 pm
Just a sampling of the violent assaults on people’s sensibilities that I am talking about…
Shouldn’t this be outlawed in Georgia?
You mean as opposed to the “peaceful” OWS protests out in Oakland, Jam??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HequVgLRPUo
ragnar danneskjold
March 26th, 2012
3:41 pm
Dear Jay @ 3:08, I am with friend Thulsa @ 3:14. I listen to Rush almost daily and I have a pretty good memory and none of that sounds familiar. Are you sure these were not some parodies he was doing? I know leftists don’t understand Rush’s humor, and that may be what is going on here.
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:41 pm
Oscar, just to clear that up: The Supreme Court said that state and local governments CAN pass laws outlawing such protests. The justices did not ban such protests themselves.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:42 pm
And given that those men stomped on that woman’s head in Kentucky, I believe the Georgia legislature must protect us from the organized crime and should outlaw all Tea Party protests.
chuck
March 26th, 2012
3:42 pm
Oscar, the Supreme court did not ban such protests. The upheld a law banning it in certain cases.
Allison
March 26th, 2012
3:42 pm
Why do republicans hate the working class? And why do working class folk keep voting republican?
To Doggone/GA: I logged into your facebook account and you are scary dude, scary.
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
3:43 pm
Thanks, Jay, without that part the whole thing make little sense, at least not to me.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
3:43 pm
TD @ 2:59
Why no mention of the conservative AFA which rountinley work to boycott programs and tv stations on things they do not agree with?
I know that Fox, the right wing columnists, bloggers and radio pundits haven’t mentioned the AFA during the Limbaugh boycott issue, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t going on or that these outlets are not aware of the actions of the AFA…….
William
March 26th, 2012
3:43 pm
“One more observation about chuck’s “violent assaults on people’s sensibilities”, would he fully endorse legislation that would keep the Westboro Baptist Church from protesting at funerals of Georgia veterans?”
Are you a veteran, JV? Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about what these guys have done? Should a family be entitled to grieve without being harassed?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 26th, 2012
3:44 pm
Why, it was just the other day while I was standing in line at Whole Foods, this huge __________ lady had 3 shopping carts filled with beer and cigarettes and in her hand were (gasp!) food stamps. And you wanna know what else? She had __________ kids, all of them talking on iphones and had on the latest Nikes. But what’s worst is, I followed her out to her car and it was a brand new Cadillac with 20″ spinning wheels.
Dear Georgia,
March 26th, 2012
3:44 pm
Most people voted in 2010 to send a message that they wanted CHANGE and made this state a one party administration. Congratulations and do not complain. This is what you all voted for. After all, the majority votes 50 plus one wins!!
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
3:44 pm
“I have white people…. all of them. Every last iota of a white person. I hate him. We didn’t come down here to play today. Three’s too much serious business goin’on here in the black community to be out here slidin’ through South St. with white dirty n….er whores on our arms. You want freedom? You are gonna have to kill some white people. You’re gonna have to kill some of their babies. We have to get our act together. I hate white people, all of them, every last one of them”
Black Panther thug outside of a voting precinct in PN during the 2008 election.
Little to no coverage by the media. No reaction by Holder except to drop the case against the Panthers. Now a 10,000 man march to find Zimmerman. Again, little to no media attention…. no reaction by Holder and the Dept of Justice. What if they find him? Then what. Murder him with vigilante justice? That won’t go over too well with the electorate. I cannot imagine the fallout.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
3:45 pm
Will the state be required to pick up the tab for all these extra procedures that they are requiring? Will all women be required to purchase insurance on the open market that covers these state requirements? Will the Georgia Republicans be there to care for the 22 week old child with no arms and legs or with the heart missing or lungs missing or no skull? Republicans claim to utilize the most recent medical evidence but they only acknowledge the “medical evidence” that meets their needs.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:45 pm
And given that that Tea Partier in San Diego raped a woman, it is probably best that we simply outlaw the Tea Party in Georgia altogether.
It is simply too dangerous to allow otherwise…
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:45 pm
A good percentage of it. One does what he has or wants to do. It is a matter of priorities.
Maybe it’s simple a matter of principle with you, that no one should ride for free, but to expect that significant new sources of funding will open up by forcing everyone to buy insurance is foolish IMO.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:49 pm
I believe that laws that keep them a certain distance away from the actual funeral are sufficient, William.
Granted, if it were one of my family that they were doing that at, I would be extremely upset and there is some possibility that I would choose to ignore the law of the land.
And suffer the consequences.
But, just as is the case with burning Old Glory, I have always and will always advocate that free speech is paramount in this republic, and that it comes far before my sensibilities…
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
3:49 pm
Wow. Georgia’s white male Republicans have now established that they don’t need no scientists or doctors to establish the scientific facts since the real science does not say what they want to hear. So, they’ll just make up their own truths. Georgia Republicans are a pathetic batch.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
3:50 pm
Yeah boy…….. It just those lefties after Limbaugh….. It never occurs from right leaning org…….. Never .. well maybe all the time, but you know what I’m saying
1. Pray for Home Depot Chairman Frank Blake to make wise decisions regarding his company’s direction.
2. If you have not done so, sign the Boycott Pledge at http://www.BoycottTheHomeDepot.com.
3. Call your local Home Depot store and ask to speak to the manager. You can find the number to your local store here (click “Store Finder” at top of page) or in your local phone book.
4. Print the paper petition and distribute it at Sunday school and church.
http://www.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147517850
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
3:50 pm
“They can sign a waiver taking full responsibility for their own medical expenses”
Knowing full well there’s not a hospital, doctor or nurse in the world that would turn them away to die in the street just because they don’t have insurance.
William
March 26th, 2012
3:50 pm
“Black Panther thug outside of a voting precinct in PN during the 2008 election. Little to no coverage by the media.”
You don’t understand, kayaker. Blacks are a minority and, as such, enjoy the benefits of a double standard. That is because whites are the ones in power don’t you know? Forget that we have a black mayor of Atlanta or president of the United States. It doesn’t change the fact that a double standard is appropriate and moral. Do you see?
William
March 26th, 2012
3:51 pm
“Knowing full well there’s not a hospital, doctor or nurse in the world that would turn them away to die in the street just because they don’t have insurance.”
That would have to change. NO free lunches. They would have to die for their choice. It’s radical, I know. But we CANNOT afford a nanny state any longer.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:51 pm
Doggone–For the record, if you don’t mind. I’ve always believed that you are a lady poster. True or not??
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
March 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
2:44 pm
_______________________________________________________________________
Would you have a problem if the 22 year old kid next door with the 4 20″ woofers and the 2500 watt stereo sat in his garage next to your house and practiced from midnight until 8 in the morning?
It’s not about free speech as much as “quiet enjoyment of your home”.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
I commend Jay for his ability to sit there and listen those arrogant holier than thou white male Georgia Republicans. My ears are hurting after only a matter of minutes of listening to their bull.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
what the heck…… one more for good measure
http://www.christianpost.com/news/nom-launches-boycott-of-starbucks-over-same-sex-marriage-stance-72006/
Took all of 1 minute to find the info, yet the wailing and gnashing of teeth about Limbaugh’s advertisers being boycotted continues as if it is a one way street
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
…some parodies he was doing?
Ah, yes.
One of the conservative cornerstones of the lout’s defense.
It’s all a big f’ing joke. His venom is just parody and his malicious lies are just for fun.
Take a look around, scores of former advertisers aren’t laughing anymore…
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
Tea Party supporters in Georgia also oppose the bill
Conservative heads are a ’sploddin. Tell the Tea Partiers to jump on ethics once they are finished with this subject.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
March 26th, 2012
3:53 pm
BTW, I disagree with the “limited” scope of the bill.
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:54 pm
Finn, the Tea Party has also pushed ethics reform, but alas, to equally little effect.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
3:55 pm
But we CANNOT afford a nanny state any longer.
William–Once again, what do you expect to realistically change with the ACA?? The “free riders” now are largely young, poor, or here illegally. Where are these new sources of revenue coming from in order to provide them all with insurance??
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:56 pm
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:37 pm
Those handful of “New Black Panthers” idiots and Fox News seem to have hit upon a mutually symbiotic relationship. The NBP clowns pretend to pose a serious radical danger to white people, giving Fox a chance to scare its audience and validate their fears, and in return Fox gives the NBP a level of visibility that they in no way deserve given their tiny numbers and almost total lack of support in the black community.
Both parties in that deal are playing the Fox audience for useful fools
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
3:56 pm
Jay @ 3:25,
If you’re going to take on the Doom you better not come light. And you came light sir.
First of all I clicked on the link to digital spy the first link of yours which says conservative Eric Bolling and cons were boycotting HBO over Maher’s comments. The headline says it but when I clicked on the link both on Eric Bolling and then the link that credited Entertainment Weekley with the story I could find nothing in the article about this “boycott”. The headline from ET says it but the article itself mentions nothing about a boycott from Boling or conservatives.
Secondly I clicked on your link from the spoken examiner and this nobody conservative commentator from that paper that probably no one on here has heard about. There was no mention of an organized boycott. None. The commmentator suggested that perhaps its time that cons “consider” a boycott on HBO considering Maher’s remarks.
Is this the best you can do sir? No boycott but a suggestion from a con at a smaller paper that cons “consider” a boycott? Seriously?
Thirdly you mention Brent Bozell and the Media research center boycotting Ed Schultz’s broadcaster. Bozell and the MRC has had a long standing policy of not engaging in going after people’s advertisers. This is the first and only time that I’ve seen where Brent went after someone. And why did he finally do it? Because he was sick and tired of the libs going after Limbaugh’s advertisers that he finally decided he would do what the libs do for once and fight fire with fire.
You really ought to do a better job of research if this is the best you can come up with. Like I said- you came light.
William
March 26th, 2012
3:57 pm
“I believe that laws that keep them a certain distance away from the actual funeral are sufficient, William…But, just as is the case with burning Old Glory, I have always and will always advocate that free speech is paramount in this republic, and that it comes far before my sensibilities…”
I appreciate your resolution. Not all speech is protected, of course. When it becomes less of an expression of beliefs and more a means to harm, then it becomes problematic. I suppose one way to get them to cease and desist is to give them a proverbial taste of their own medicine (like protest the funeral of one of their own or picket their church). I wonder if this has been tried…
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:57 pm
Thulsa, your sense of self-esteem is exceeded only by your lack of judgment. Or is it the other way around?
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
3:58 pm
Spokane examiner
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
3:59 pm
TD @ 3:56
I have provided plenty……………….
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
4:00 pm
AmVet, 3:52.
I don’t seem to note a lessening of the advertising going on with Limbaugh. I listen to him frequently and the same commercial interludes seem to keep coming up, perhaps even more. He is carried in over 600 stations nationwide with close to 18,000 local and national advertisers. Do you think that all but the most liberal are going to give up that listening goldmine? To date, according to him, he has lost 3 national sponsors and about 45 local ones. To expect that he will go off of the air with a bunch of liberal protest is a pipe dream. Guess it’s just more of that pesky free speech.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:01 pm
“For the record, if you don’t mind. I’ve always believed that you are a lady poster. True or not??”
Why does it matter?
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
4:01 pm
Jay,
Of the 3 links you provided I see nothing about an organized boycott except from the third link about Brent Bozell who did so only in response to libs going after Rush’s advertisers.
The first 2 links are without merit and I have to consider them to be “nonresponsive”. You need more and heavier ammo if you are going to make a charge like you made and make it stick.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
4:01 pm
I wonder if the Tea Party is getting everything that they had expected and then some from their elected ones.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
4:01 pm
conservative Eric Bolling and cons were boycotting HBO over Maher’s comments.
Game of Thrones Season 2 starts next Sunday. We’ll see who is left walking that walk after that.
Now that’s a Game Change (the other reason conservatives are probably ok with boycotting HBO)
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
March 26th, 2012
4:02 pm
Mick
March 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
bruno
Yes, it’s required to drop the lib card into every post these days, where is your argumentive creativity man? Bummer…
________________________________________________________________________
Is the “con” card ok in every post?
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:03 pm
kayaker
Than let you be the 1st right leaning individual on this blog to denounce the American Family Association for their continual boycotts of tv programs, corporations, etc………….
William
March 26th, 2012
4:03 pm
“Those handful of “New Black Panthers” idiots and Fox News seem to have hit upon a mutually symbiotic relationship. The NBP clowns pretend to pose a serious radical danger to white people, giving Fox a chance to scare its audience and validate their fears, and in return Fox gives the NBP a level of visibility that they in no way deserve given their tiny numbers and almost total lack of support in the black community.”
Are you kidding me? It was all play acting? Is that how liberals deflect criticism of actions they can’t defend? It seems if anyone is pretending, it is you. You need to get out more, my friend. I suppose the black teens in northern cities who have targeted and beat up white kids were just play acting as well. I suppose there is really no visceral hatred of whites in some blacks (just as the opposite was and still is true). Peddle that baloney somewhere else if you want to sell it.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:03 pm
“It’s not about free speech as much as “quiet enjoyment of your home”.”
If he is violating any laws, yes I would. If not, there are other ways to deal with it. I could always use the technique a friend of mine did about a neighbors barking dog. She taped him for 2 hours and then at 3:00 in the morning she put the tape recorder and a speaker outside her neighbors bedroom window and turned it up as loud as it would go.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
4:04 pm
I wonder if the Tea Party is getting everything that they had expected and then some from their elected ones.
They are still rallying but Fox News isn’t covering them. I guess Fox News got what it wanted out of the deal – election results it liked.
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
4:05 pm
Free speech means freedom to express your opinion. It does not mean you have the right to harass other people, interfere with their privacy or disturb the peace. Any future action by a homeower for an injunction to stop picketing and protesting outside his home would be upheld by this Supreme Court. That’s clearly indicated in their opinion. That’s why they write extended opinion, as guidelines as to what they will decide in future cases.
William
March 26th, 2012
4:06 pm
“William–Once again, what do you expect to realistically change with the ACA?? The “free riders” now are largely young, poor, or here illegally. Where are these new sources of revenue coming from in order to provide them all with insurance??”
I guess you didn’t read my previous post. Please do. In addition to what I said there, it is obvious that some form of basic and affordable insurance would be necessary.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
4:06 pm
GFY 71.
Listen to him 24/7 if you want.
But don’t let the facts get in your way…
03/26/2012
Rush Limbaugh’s advertising woes continue, as kitchen and bath fixtures company Kohler is the latest company to pull its content from the radio program.
On Monday, Kohler responded to pressure from customers who wanted to know if the company advertised on Limbaugh’s program. Kohler tweeted that the company does not support Limbaugh’s comments and pulled its advertisements from his show.
That now makes 141 companies that have ceased advertising on Limbaugh’s show.
One hundred and forty one. Not good for El Rushbo and his paymasters.
But damn beautiful to me…
pogo
March 26th, 2012
4:06 pm
Private homes should never be a target for demonstrations by any damned body. Never. Issues that are public should be confined to that arena.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:10 pm
“Issues that are public should be confined to that arena.”
A sidewalk IS a public arena
William
March 26th, 2012
4:10 pm
“I could always use the technique a friend of mine did about a neighbors barking dog. She taped him for 2 hours and then at 3:00 in the morning she put the tape recorder and a speaker outside her neighbors bedroom window and turned it up as loud as it would go.”
LOL. I did something similar to this in the dorms years ago. The guys across the hall came in several nights very late and then started partying and playing music very loud. I made a “party” tape for them exclusively of live rock and roll songs and then, the next morning after they did it again, when they were hung over and passed out, I cranked up my 250 watt amplifier with JBL studio monitors and walked out of my room. Came back a hour later and there they were, pounding on my door. They didn’t do it again.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
4:11 pm
Jay
March 26th, 2012
3:57 pm
Thulsa, your sense of self-esteem is exceeded only by your lack of judgment. Or is it the other way around?
And your arrogance is exceeeded only by the hubris of your posting of very poorly researched links that not only do not prove your point but bolster my point. Did you really think I would not read those bogus links and then not take my conservative hammer of truth to your liberal glass wall of lies?
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
4:11 pm
suck,
They can boycott anything they wish, just as you have the right to make a decision as to what you listen to or choose not to. Why is disagreement so disagreeable to you? When a person or a group feels threatened by a government action to take away some of their freedoms, they don’t like it, just like you, I would presume. You back the right of the OWS protestors to speak out for their rights but ignore those of religions convictions. I am not a religious person, don’t attend church, not so sure about the Bible and Jesus….. but I feel that those that do have a right to be left alone to believe as they wish without the ACLU, the government and every liberal in the land wanting to shut them down.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
4:11 pm
Private homes should never be a target for demonstrations by any damned body.
I’m inclined to agree, pogo.
Even though I still say it is better to err on the side of free speech rights than not…
Otherwise we start turning into Russia or China or Iran or…
carlosgvv
March 26th, 2012
4:12 pm
Big Business has been trying for many years now to return to the days of laissez faire. In the late 1890’s they had an almost 100% laissez faire environment. The number one reason they lost this was the emergence of labor unions. Business recognizes Unions are their mortal ememies when it comes to having no Govt. regulations. So, it’s no suprise that their Republican lackeys would enact a law specifically targeting Unions. What’s beyond my understanding is how so many Republican voters support the very people who care nothing about them.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:13 pm
Jay
You can “kill” my 3:49 that you have in time out….. I re-posted with one less link a few minutes later…….
Thanks
William
March 26th, 2012
4:14 pm
“That now makes 141 companies that have ceased advertising on Limbaugh’s show. One hundred and forty one. Not good for El Rushbo and his paymasters.”
I am glad. Although I would probably agree with much of what Limbaugh has said, I am not a fan. He is (like Maher) just a mean spirited person and a clear hypocrite. He does the right no good in the long run.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
What! The March of Dimes gives the state of Georgia an F for it’s birth statistics. We’re Number Last on ANOTHER issue. Be proud, Georgia.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
kayaker
And those who are organizing against Rush can do as they wish, right?
I never said that the AFA can’t or shouldn’t boycott…….. But I am pointing out the HYPOCRISY of those crying about Limbaugh being boycotted and are silent as a mouse when it comes to right leaning orgs doing the EXACT same thing………
You are ok with organization and individuals boycotting or you are not…….. Common sense dictates that it can’t just be good or bad when it fits one’s political or religious beliefs
So are you good with both? That is the question
Jay
March 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
Thulsa, the two words “Dixie Chicks” are all that’s needed.
Everything else is gravy. They were banned from every country music station in the country. Their tour dates were canceled. Their career took a massive hit. And why exactly? (The company leading the blacklisting effort, ClearChannel, happens to be Limbaugh’s syndicator).
I also recall Newt Gingrich, in a speech to the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce, urging members to conduct an advertising boycott of the AJC because he didn’t like the criticism he was receiving.
In other words, your claim that conservatives are too committed to notions of free speech to use boycotts and political pressure to silence opponents is repudiated by countless examples, beginning with the blacklisting of the 1950s and continuing to the present day.
pogo
March 26th, 2012
4:17 pm
I am a “Con” but these jokers in our state government make me sick. All of them. Jay is correct in his crusade about the state of government ethics in Georgia. No matter which party controls Georgia they all feed at the trough of special interests and lobbyists. Georgia needs ethics reform badly.
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
4:17 pm
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:10 pm
“Issues that are public should be confined to that arena.”
A sidewalk IS a public arena
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Read the court’s opinion again. They say any protests in front of public homes is harassment, whicy they clearly indicate they would not allow in any future case brought before them. Whether there is a local law banning it or not. It’s dicta in this case, but a declaration of how they view a protest in front of a private home, on the public street or not.
My Party has ALL the answers. Your party is full of poopyheads! (formerly That Black Guy)
March 26th, 2012
4:18 pm
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
3:42 pm
And given that those men stomped on that woman’s head in Kentucky, I believe the Georgia legislature must protect us from the organized crime and should outlaw all Tea Party protests.
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And given that those protesters pushed the elderly woman down the steps in DC, I believe the Georgia legislature must protect us from the organized crime and should outlaw all OWS protests.
And given that those men poured feces and urine down the steps at a bank in LA, I believe the Georgia legislature must protect us from the organized crime and should outlaw all OWS protests.
And given that those men raped those women at their camps, I believe the Georgia legislature must protect us from the organized crime and should outlaw all OWS protests.
Seriously JamVet? Neither side can claim to be angels.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
4:18 pm
And your arrogance is exceeeded only by the hubris of your posting of very poorly researched links that not only do not prove your point but bolster my point. Did you really think I would not read those bogus links and then not take my conservative hammer of truth to your liberal glass wall of lies?
I seem to recall someone in the not too distant past showing a similar amount of ass. Who was that masked man. Dave R., I do believe although there were others as well.
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
4:18 pm
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
4:11 pm
Private homes should never be a target for demonstrations by any damned body.
I’m inclined to agree, pogo.
Even though I still say it is better to err on the side of free speech rights than not…
Otherwise we start turning into Russia or China or Iran or…
________
Don’t see why you would want to err at all. just get it right.
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
4:18 pm
AmVet,
If he did lose 141, and I doubt it, that represents only 0.00078333 of his advertisers if my calculator is right. Hell, he could lose a thousand and that would only represent 0.0555555 of the total. Write all of the letters to Home Depot that you want….. he will still be on the air exercising his right to free speech and holding liberal feet to the fire. He, Hannity and Boortz….. the liberal’s nemesis.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:20 pm
“You back the right of the OWS protestors to speak out for their rights but ignore those of religions convictions.”
You have not ONE reference of me backing or being against the OWS………….
You might be able to find one where I said that the local authorties were in their right to make the OWS or any other group follow local laws and ordinances, but what you do not have…… is what YOU stated
So do not be like some others on here and place your generalities, hyperbole and talking points on me; especially when you have nothing to back it up
Thanks for your cooperation
Peadawg
March 26th, 2012
4:20 pm
“FYI, I’m in the Georgia Senate chambers.
They’ve just begun debate on HB 954, the anti-abortion bill that I’ve written about earlier. If you wish, you can watch live at”
Has a women come up in support of this bill? I haven’t seen one yet.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:21 pm
“Read the court’s opinion again”
I’m under no obligation to agree with them.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
4:23 pm
The sponsor of the bill came up with the twenty weeks number via an induced dream. Likely a combination of drug and scripture induced.
kitty
March 26th, 2012
4:25 pm
Jay, looking forward to your piece on the abortion bill hearings. I heard today on WSBTV news that doctors who either testified at the hearings or even just attended the hearings have had offices vandalized. Too much of a coincidence IMO. Funny how such good “christians” some of those anti-abortion protestors are, huh? Good grief!!!
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
4:26 pm
Suck, 4:18,
I don’t like those Baptists from Kansas protesting at veteran’s funerals or that Black Panther thug telling the world how much he hates white people. They have every right to express their opinion as long as they are not breaking any laws. But don’t criticize me if I don’t like it and say so. Free speech is free speech, whether you like it or not. If House Res 347 was used to protect the President from harm and was used only for this purpose, I can buy it. But it goes a lot further than that……… that creeping government control of what we say and what we do.
HIPPOCRIT
March 26th, 2012
4:26 pm
why dont we just pass a STAND YOU GROUND law here and if you bozos want to go protest in someone’s neighbor hood go right ahead……. leave the hoodie at home
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:28 pm
Kayaker
Strangely enough, even-though miles apart politically……. we are probably closer on how we see religion than you would think. Of course I am basing that off of one of your earlier posts
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
4:29 pm
formerly That Black Guy, my point exactly and why I drew what I thought were plainly preposterous conclusions.
Silencing any voices in this country – ala Bill O’Reilly telling Americans to STFU once the bombs started falling on Baghdad – is one of the most vile things I can think of. My mother survived the holocaust and I am especially incensed by these efforts to squash people’s rights to peaceably assemble and to be heard.
I have written repeatedly that ALL lawbreakers at any protest of any kind should be arrested and tried. Countless, like the civil rights heroes, did so repeatedly. But they made a difference, didn’t they?
He does the right no good in the long run.
And isn’t that the biggest point of them all, William? Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan referred to each other as “my esteemed opponent”. How cool is that? I’d love for us to return to cool, because I want to be cool again! (Huge LOL at me!)
pogo at 4:17, good on you buddy.
From that old CSN&Y song:
We can change the world
Rearrange the world
It’s dying, to get better
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
4:29 pm
Everything else is gravy. They were banned from every country music station in the country. Their tour dates were canceled. Their career took a massive hit. And why exactly? (The company leading the blacklisting effort, ClearChannel, happens to be Limbaugh’s syndicator).
Are you sure it was a matter of free speech being stifled by ClearChannel, and not perhaps a commercial reaction to complaining fans?? I’m guessing that the average country music fan considers themselves to be on the conservative side.
If all of Rush’s sponsors dump him and his fans are complaining, then ClearChannel would be wise to drop him IMO. It’s a matter of dollars and cents, not ideology.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:31 pm
“why dont we just pass a STAND YOU GROUND law here ”
We already have one
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:31 pm
Kayaker
So are you ok with Limbaugh being boycotted as well as AFA and their boycotts?
Ok with one or the other?
As for me……. people are welcome to organize boycotts if they like as long as it is within the scope of the law
I do not know of any laws that the AFA has broke nor any laws that have been broke with Rush’s current issue with boycotts and threats of them
Shawny
March 26th, 2012
4:32 pm
Dang it… I agree with the liberal again.
This time, absoulutely… no one should be able to demonstrate at a residence. It is harassment and nothing else.
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
4:35 pm
The fact that some protesters violate laws should in no way compromise the rights of peaceful, law abiding protesters to express their opinions.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:35 pm
“It is harassment and nothing else”
ALL demonstrations are harrasment
pogo
March 26th, 2012
4:35 pm
The AJC hit a home run this weekend with it’s piece about cheating in schools in America. It is happening everywhere and everyone knows it. Something is seriously wrong with primary public education in America and money will not fix it. More localized control may help. And maybe it won’t. At one time the desire to be a teacher was founded in ones wish to make society better. I know from the state of my own rural Georgia schools system that is no longer the driving force of “educators”. Now they just want to be paid as much money as possible with the least amount of effort. Yes, this is a broad brush and I realize there are those teachers that still hold the noble cause. But for the majority, they consider it just another “nine to fiver” job to get as much money as they can as fast as they can with as little effort as they have to put into it and if that calls for aiding cheating on standard tests by which they are judged, so be it. This is not exclusive to Atlanta. I guarantee it is happening in schools systems all over Georgia.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 26th, 2012
4:35 pm
Well, I’m all for free speech. It’s just that I don’t think it applies to a bunch of longhair dirty hippies protesting something us Conservatives hold near and dear. I mean, if some Patriotic teapartiers want to protest librul Communism, like Obamacare, I think free speech is their right. But that don’t mean it’s suppose to protect a bunch of foul-smelling OWS anti-Americans that don’t even like our American way of doing things and poop all over everything. I think the OWS people and their ilk ought to get 3 protections:
1. Rock salt with the 1st volley
2. Buckshot with the 2nd
3. Howitzer shells with the 3rd
I say let’s keep the Constitution for the real Americans. People like Dick Cheney, that’s laying there right now with a new heart ’cause he wore out the first one caring so much for real American values. Use ammo and Gitmo for all the others.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Oscar
March 26th, 2012
4:36 pm
Shawny
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I don;t know. Sounds to me like the liberal is agreeing with you. Or is it the other way around. I think limitation of speech is something a conservative would want, not a liberal.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
4:36 pm
71, are you saying that he has 180,000 advertisers?
Years ago, after I learned that Home Depot gave most of their money to the GOP, I no longer did business with them. (Also because of horrible service.) I choose to spend my money with whom I support or can at least tolerate. Being ignorant on these matters does not help in making those decisions.
Don’t see why you would want to err at all. just get it right.
Apparently, unlike you, I am fallible and can’t always know everything there is to know. /snark/
Must be counter-culture references hour, but that is why Joni Mitchell wrote…
And maybe it’s the time of year,
But then maybe it’s the time of man.
And I don’t know who I am,
But life is for learning.
pogo
March 26th, 2012
4:37 pm
Enter your comments here
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
4:38 pm
Suck, 4:28,
As stated earlier, I am not a Christian and certainly not a religious person. This country which I dearly love, however, was founded on religious freedom. At that time, religion played a pivotal role in the lives of the people. From what can be gleaned from surveys, it appears that only from 60-79% of Americans identify themselves as Christians, a decided shift. It seems to be the opponents of Christianity and Christians to attempt to abolish most of their teachings, remove most if not all of their influence on our daily lives, remove their history from school textbooks, outlaw prayer from Army chaplains, even on the battlefield……. a constant battle to avoid assault. Then the Catholic Church is forced to provide insurance coverage that would provide free birth control devices and the morning after pill. There are no doubt Democrat churchgoers but we don’t hear much from them.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:38 pm
pogo @ 4:35
For the most part……… I must agree. Something is wrong. I do not have the answers, but for the betterment of this country.. the issues need to be worked on with urgency…… Ds and Rs be damned
HIPPOCRIT
March 26th, 2012
4:39 pm
well doggone it!!!!!!!!!!!!…. we already have a STAND YOUR GROUND law here in Georgia…. then why do we care about protestors………….. its time to start standing your ground when assulted on your own property
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:41 pm
“This country which I dearly love, however, was founded on religious freedom”
Actually? No it wasn’t. It was settled by people seeking more freedom of religion, but it was FOUNDED on principles that EXCLUDED religion from governance
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:41 pm
Kayaker
You seem to not want to answer the question I have presented several times…. That is your choice, but it is obviuos.
As for this nation being founded on religious freedom…….. Well that is opinion and we both could provide quotes and bring up issues from that time to substantiate or negate that stance. Some of the Founding Fathers appear to have been devoutly religious individuals….. others not so much and there is evidence to back that up
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:42 pm
“Then the Catholic Church is forced to provide insurance coverage that would provide free birth control devices and the morning after pill.”
Nope. That was Georgetown University…and they ALREADY provide that service to their staff and employees, but they want to deny it to their students.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:43 pm
“its time to start standing your ground when assulted on your own property”
If the protestors are on the public sidewalk or road, they aren’t on your property.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:45 pm
” the Catholic Church is forced to provide insurance coverage that would provide free birth control devices and the morning after pill.”
This is a “yes” or “no” question.. Are there Catholic based entities that currently provide coverage for contraceptives here in the US?
If so (they answer is YES), than this issue of religious freedom is not really resonating with me……… Others are welcome to stand with the Catholic Church and their inconsistencies on this issue. Their choice but I will not be one of them
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
4:45 pm
As a man, I don’t feel comfortable about voting on a bill that affects a woman… I like this guy…
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
March 26th, 2012
4:46 pm
-Mitt: I Won’t Detail Plans, Because Then I’d Lose-
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/mitt-i-wont-detail-plans-because-then-id-lose.html
The CONs are getting CONNED!
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
4:46 pm
AmVet,4:36,
On that same Joni Mitchell album, Ladies of the Canyon, the title song is about three women that Joni sings about. The most memorable one of these is Annie who baked her breads while cats gathered around her. We lived in Santa Barbara at the time and Mitchell had a summer home up one of the canyons, forget which one. My wife’s name is Annie and I always identified her with the song. She often sang on Sunday afternoons at the Courthouse Park with other music people. Those were good days.
HIPPOCRIT
March 26th, 2012
4:49 pm
In 2006, the Georgia legislature with Senate Bill 396 enacted a “Stand Your Ground” law similar to the one in Texas. O.C.G.A. sections 16-3-2 and 51-11-1 provide that a person has the right to meet force with force, including deadly force, in defense of one’s self, one’s home or other property.
you know that protestors get in your face………. and if they clearly force you defend yourself….. i say we need to start exercising our legal right to defend ourselves against violent protestors
HIPPOCRIT
March 26th, 2012
4:51 pm
protestor beat on my car and threaten me ………… stand my ground
protestor swing a picket sign at me………….. stand my ground
protestor yelling to me he’s going to kill me….. stand my ground
black teenager in a hoodie with skittles and ice tea………. tell him to feel the rainbow and watch out for neighborhood nazi security
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
4:52 pm
Howitzer shells with the 3rd
Man, that is funny…
Cool story, 71.
But I never know you were a closeted California hippie! (grin)
For you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RrrlakZu4
William
March 26th, 2012
4:52 pm
“In other words, your claim that conservatives are too committed to notions of free speech to use boycotts and political pressure to silence opponents is repudiated by countless examples, beginning with the blacklisting of the 1950s and continuing to the present day.”
A fair point, Jay. But I cannot think of any conservative in recent decades trying to use governmental means (such as the “Fairness doctrine) to restrict free speech (McCarthyism was more an attempt to “out” and pillory suspected communists than anything else). And that is a significant difference, don’t you think?
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
4:53 pm
Hippocrit 4:49,
I’m more worried about those 10,000 vigilantes that I am about protestors. When a group feels that they can go out and make their own laws, we are doomed.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:54 pm
“i say we need to start exercising our legal right to defend ourselves against violent protestors”
Let us know when you plan to do that. I, for one, want to be there to watch.
TaxPayer
March 26th, 2012
4:55 pm
When a group feels that they can go out and make their own laws, we are doomed.
If only the Republicans in the Georgia Legislature would heed your words. It would be a start.
Orange12
March 26th, 2012
4:56 pm
I’d trade “free Speech for “Free Gas” for a month or two.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
4:56 pm
William
Fairness Doctrine: To be fair that issue was brought up by several Democrats…..
With that said, I never knew it had majority Party support and if so what was the House or Senate bill #?
So you are attempting to equate something that a small minority of elected Democrats did bring up with what you posted from Jay’s quote…..
To that.. there is a “significant difference, don’t you think?”
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
4:58 pm
ay
March 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
Thulsa, the two words “Dixie Chicks” are all that’s needed.
Everything else is gravy. They were banned from every country music station in the country. Their tour dates were canceled. Their career took a massive hit. And why exactly? (The company leading the blacklisting effort, ClearChannel, happens to be Limbaugh’s syndicator).
Jay,
Really? Rush’s clear channel led the list. More exaggeration if not outright lies? The facts are otherwise.
The Boston Globe editorial page today runs a curious correction: “An editorial Tuesday misidentified the radio chain that pulled the Dixie Chicks from its country stations’ playlists in 2003. It was Cumulus Media, not Clear Channel Communications.” The editorial is linked from the correction.
Well, now. The way the Globe first had it is certainly the way I remember it. What happened?
To begin with, you will not be surprised to learn that Clear Channel itself loudly pats itself on the back for not doing what a lot of us think it did. Here’s what the corporate Web site says in part:
MYTH: Clear Channel radio stations banned air-play of the Dixie Chicks after political comments.
FACT: The radio company that banned the Dixie Chicks was Cumulus Media, not Clear Channel. That company also hosted the CD-smashing ceremony outside its Atlanta, Ga. headquarters, during which bulldozers crushed the group’s CDs. Simon Renshaw, the Dixie Chicks’ manager, told the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee in July that Clear Channel Communications did not ban the group’s music and had received a “bad rap.”
A couple of Clear channel stations “temporarily suspended” play of dixie chicks. This does not constitute a ban sir.
As for tour cancellations they were cancelled due to low ticket sales. You can’t blame people if they choose simply to not patronize traitors.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
4:58 pm
“(such as the “Fairness doctrine) to restrict free speech”
Ummm…the Fairness doctrine didn’t restrict free speech
skipper
March 26th, 2012
5:02 pm
Good for the legislature. Keep your asses where they belong….working, not wanting the company to give you 10 weeks paid vacation, etc., etc., etc. The “freedom of speech” our forefathers mentioned had nothing to do with the vile b.s. people now call freedom of speech. And by the way, HIPPOCRIT, don’t be too quick to judge……apparantly the facts are coming out……
William
March 26th, 2012
5:06 pm
“Ummm…the Fairness doctrine didn’t restrict free speech”
Not directly, but indirectly it would as it would turn certain presently conservative-leaning stations into generic cookie cutter entities. Not a few liberals want re-implement it to limit the effect of conservative speech, an indirect form of restriction. But you knew this, didn’t you? Why the silly quibble?
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
5:07 pm
“Keep your asses where they belong….working”
Yes SAH, Massa Sah. Whatever you say Massa.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
5:07 pm
“but indirectly it would as it would turn certain presently conservative-leaning stations into generic cookie cutter entities”
Got proof of that? Personally, I don’t think you have a CLUE what the Fairness Doctrine required.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:08 pm
William
Once again can your prove it had majority Party support and if so what was the House and Senate bill #?
Outside of that you have a few comments from Dems, a ton of hyperbole and some right wing talking points
next
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
5:09 pm
I’d trade “free Speech for “Free Gas” for a month or two.
Too funny.
(But I’d wait until the proverbial you know what hits the fan! And sooner or later, it will…)
Traitors?
To whom, Doomy? The United States of America or George Walker Bush?
He is the worst Republican in the country to put up against Barack Obama.
Santorum has got be a Democratic plant…
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:10 pm
Doggone
it is a mute point……… It never had majority support within the Democratic Party, ie it never went no where… therefore William can only hang on to what ifs, what would, what should and other BS he has picked up from radio or whatever source he obtains his info……….. this being INCORRECT info
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
5:14 pm
The irony of overturning the heathcare mandate might ultimately result in a public option or single payer because we go back to a collapsing system. And if the R’s regain power it becomes their problem to fix……..
William
March 26th, 2012
5:15 pm
“With that said, I never knew it had majority Party support and if so what was the House or Senate bill #? So you are attempting to equate something that a small minority of elected Democrats did bring up with what you posted from Jay’s quote….. ”
I guess the former speaker of the House or a former presidential nominee supporting its re-enactment is of little significance. It got a lot of press and it was being considered to be sure. I guess that means in your mind that some liberals – including very prominent ones – did not really want to limit the effect of free speech. Gotcha.
Ken
March 26th, 2012
5:16 pm
Ok. Curtailing the freedom of speech is – NOT a good thing. If an individual does something that needs attention – speaking out is something that needs to be done. Is it inconvience when a person who is subject of the attention lives near or works along your daily route. I find it crazy the people choose/demand fighting along political lines when Republican Right-wing folks demand more Religion in government yet demand they are being persecuted for religious expression. Democrats swing too hard the other direction trying to legislate protections to the actions of the Republican agenda,…. The Tea naggers demand less government yet fight for more government and more laws on the books to fight against working classes yet demand more for top wealth producers. Good grief you all,… You each stir the pot making it a bigger and bigger mess,…- all the while working feverishly to limit the ability to communicate from any opposing faction or political group. Sad thing is that due to this irresponsible behavior,…the repeating of the same behavior does nothing but make the entire problem worse,…..Republicans take the fight to the democrats,.Democrats realized this too late and MUST react by going on the defensive,..TeaParty folks attack with the call they will not compromise so anyone who doesn’t agree gets crushed so THE OTHERS MUST react by creating more laws to protect the people the Tea Party looks to crush and destroy,…thn the right wing Christians do things like bomb clinics,..support the gun laws for murdering innocents and them everyone gets upset and surprised ?!?! I seriously think no one learned a damn thing in school – NO ONE read history and paid attention to behaviors that caused the deaths of millions of people. Most of the time I feel that just about everyone needs a good swift smack to the back of the head to sit up, pay attention and to get the heck along. Making racist comments steeped in Southern distain for black people towards the President does nothing but point out just how amazingly stupid and ignorant and selfish and greedy and completely worthless of a nation we really are. I think we all need a grandma to give everyone a good hard smack! You are behaving like absolute screaming selfish 5 year olds with a stinky messy diaper – good lord GROW THE HECK UP! Knock off this behavior that works to literally kill anyone you think may disagree or wear a sweatshirt with a hood. SHAME on most of us,….if not all of us. How can we ll NOT see how hard we all are fighting for the utter destruction of everyone else. No wonder it’s such a crazy disgusting mess E ERYWHERE right now!!!
Jay
March 26th, 2012
5:16 pm
So Thulsa, you post something written and posted on the Web back in 2007 as if it were today, and post it as if it were your own, without attribution, when in fact it came word for word from here? That’s the basis of your “evidence”?
http://www.dankennedy.net/2007/02/14/dixie-chicks-and-clear-channel/
William
March 26th, 2012
5:16 pm
“Personally, I don’t think you have a CLUE what the Fairness Doctrine required.”
Ditto.
pogo
March 26th, 2012
5:17 pm
Jay is also correct in his crusade for ethics reform in Georgia and I support him fully in that campaign against this corruption. It seems that no matter which party controls our state politics at any particular time they all feed at the money trough that the lobbyists and special interests provide them. They continue to sell us the taxpaying public out again and again for the special favours given to them by these interests. The farming industry in this state is prime example and so is the logging industry. I have a Repbulican state senator in my district who has made millions off of the pine straw business and he has introduced legislation exclusively in favour of that industry in our state even to the point of introducing proposed regulation allowing oversized trailers to haul pinestraw to be permissable on state highways. Another words, he was both a lobbyist and legislator and he made millions from it. How much more corrupt can one be?
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:17 pm
What was the House or Senate Bill #?
Anyone from either Party can say this or that, until you have a bill there is NOTHING………………..
So what do you have outside of what I already mentioned? comments from several Dems……………
Anything else?
Next topic
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
5:18 pm
“it is a mute point……… It never had majority support within the Democratic Party, ie it never went no where”
That was the attempt to bring it BACK. It was in effect until it was repealed.
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
5:19 pm
Thulsa, if the Dixie Chicks are traitors, so are you.
Jay
March 26th, 2012
5:21 pm
Also, Thulsa: ‘You can’t blame people if they choose simply to not patronize traitors”?
So saying that you’re ashamed to be from the same state as Bush is enough to make you a traitor? Really now. How curious.
Using your formulation , I guess you can’t blame advertisers for not wanting to be associated with a vicious misogynist who has no respect for basic decency. And I think that’s a far more defensible description of Limbaugh than your description of the Dixie Chicks as traitors.
Michael
March 26th, 2012
5:23 pm
Thulsa must read Wikepedia at night.
Union
March 26th, 2012
5:23 pm
i am punished by obamacare for not being in a union.. and unions… can get a little violent too..
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:24 pm
Doggone
I’m referencing the recent past and how William was attempting to equate it to Jays post………..
It isn’t in place, so his basis is null and void and nothing more than a hypothetical as best as well as not being based on what FD really means……
William
March 26th, 2012
5:24 pm
What was the House or Senate Bill #? Anyone from either Party can say this or that, until you have a bill there is NOTHING….what do you have outside of what I already mentioned? comments from several Dems?”
Do you know how to research? The following, from the wiki, constitutes more than a “few comments” I’d say. I guess because the fairness doctrine was not actually re-enacted, that means to you there were not serious attempts to do so. Speak to the hand, bud.
In February 2005, U.S. Representative Louise Slaughter (Democrat of New York) and 23 co-sponsors introduced the Fairness and Accountability in Broadcasting Act (H.R. 501)[20] in the 1st Session of the 109th Congress of 2005-7 (when Republicans held a majority of both Houses). The bill would have shortened a station’s license term from eight years to four, with the requirement that a license-holder cover important issues fairly, hold local public hearings about its coverage twice a year, and document to the FCC how it was meeting its obligations.[21] The bill was referred to committee, but progressed no further.[22]
In the same Congress, Representative Maurice Hinchey (another Democrat from New York) introduced legislation “to restore the Fairness Doctrine”. H.R. 3302, also known as the “Media Ownership Reform Act of 2005″ or MORA, had 16 co-sponsors in Congress.[23]
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:28 pm
WOW
I give you credit no doubt…… 16 sponsors……….. and where did that bill go and exactly how does a bill that went no where apply to your original post?
For coming up with the info…… I say thanks for that, but the rest is still BS and talking pts. it is not the law so you are still in hypothetical land……
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:28 pm
William
When do they vote on that Bill?
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:29 pm
You posted something as if it was an active bill waiting for vote?
hahahahahah
Thanks for the info as well as the laughs
peace
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
5:32 pm
“I guess you can’t blame advertisers for not wanting to be associated with a vicious misogynist who has no respect for basic decency.”
Since when did the conversation turn to Bill Maher, Ed Schultz, and Letterman with their nasty, vile comments about con women and a 14 year old girl in Letterman’s case.
“So saying that you’re ashamed to be from the same state as Bush is enough to make you a traitor?”
No. It doesn’t. Not at all. I just figured I’ld borrow from the liberal playbook and throw some inflammatory rhetoric out there.
I still see that as of yet that you still haven’t acknowledged that Rush’s bosses at Clear Channel did not in fact ban the dixie chicks nationwide as you incorrectly charged. Crickets…
William
March 26th, 2012
5:35 pm
“For coming up with the info…… I say thanks for that, but the rest is still BS and talking pts. it is not the law so you are still in hypothetical land……”
You are just obtuse, it would seem. The central idea under discussion is the desire to limit, curtail or diminish what others in opposition to you say through various means, such as boycotts. Whether or not these desires are realized or not (a boycott may not in fact produce its intended effect) is less the issue than the desire in the first place. For such a desire indicates a less than complete support for the First Amendment. Re-read the title of Jay’s column: “Ga. Legislature shows little regard for free speech” Has a law been enacted yet? No!
Got it?
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
5:36 pm
“and post it as if it were your own, without attribution, when in fact it came word for word from here?”
I think its pretty clear that these weren’t my own words. In my haste I do forget to post the link from time to time but that’s hardly a charge for plagiarism. Clearly when you copy and paste something like that, particularly in the fact that the sentences were truncated, its obvious to all that its copied and pasted from an article. Sheesh.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:39 pm
William
Any elected official can desire something all day or for the entire time he is in office, however if it never becomes a law, what do you have?
HYPOTHETICALS and talking points…….. nothing more, nothing less
Ron Paul wants to end the FED…… He has wanted to do so for years. Does he have enough support to get it through a majority Repub House? NO he doesn’t, ie he and his supporters have nothing except talking points and hypotheticals
“Got it?”
William
March 26th, 2012
5:39 pm
““So saying that you’re ashamed to be from the same state as Bush is enough to make you a traitor?”
Wow…LBJ was from Texas as well. Got any good things to say about him?
Bud Wiser
March 26th, 2012
5:42 pm
Bookman – Georgia Republicans … are about to pass a law that blatantly violates one of its most important protections, the freedom of speech.
Oh, is this sort of like democrats passing Obamacare before they bothered to read it?
Or is it like staunchly sticking your chin out (more like a middle finger if you ask me) at the 72% of ALL Americans now who wish that Obamacare would just go away?
Or carrying on despite the fact that even 56% of ALL democrats now think it is a bad idea?
Is it like that, Bookman?
Woodstock Mike
March 26th, 2012
5:43 pm
21 year old white male murdered at Mississippi State. Suspects are 3 African Americans. Funny how no media outlets are talking about this at all. But, a black man gets shot by a white guy and the President of the United States even comments on it. Interesting…
http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=16252
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
5:43 pm
“The central idea under discussion is the desire to limit, curtail or diminish what others in opposition to you say through various means, such as boycotts”
Nope. They can say what they want, when they want, how much they want. What a boycott does is only make it clear to advertisers that they MIGHT lose business if they continue to advertise on that particular show. It is still up to THEM to decide to advertise or not.
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
5:43 pm
It appears that the SCOTUS after the first day of debate, has deemed that the mandate is not a tax but a demand from the government on it’s citizens. According to Jamie Depree, who was in the gallery the whole time, this opens the door for tomorrow’s debate as to the constitutionality of the mandate. It also appears, according to Depree, that the four liberal justices, Sotomayor, Ginsberg, Kagan and Breyer are sure to vote to approve the mandate and Kennedy will be the swing vote. it is a shame that the Court cannot put partisanship aside in this decision and vote the Constitution, no matter what your political leaning.
William
March 26th, 2012
5:45 pm
“Any elected official can desire something all day or for the entire time he is in office, however if it never becomes a law, what do you have? ”
You have the potential for law. In the 1920s I guess some people had a desire to end segregation, but did it come to anything at that time or in the next few decades? The marketplace of ideas is very important; some or a good many of the ideas “sold” there can become a reality. It seems you think that ideas and passions are inconsequential, that they do not lead to anything of significance.
BADA BING
March 26th, 2012
5:47 pm
Newspapers report that Ray Lewis is joining the Trayvon murder protestors. Well, he is an expert at it.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:48 pm
Woodstock
You are right, it can’t be found anywhere
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/25/justice/mississippi-college-shooting/index.html?iref=allsearch
Maybe it will take almost 3 weeks before it gets big… like the case in FL or was that one a huge issue they day it occurred?
mmmmmmmmm
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
5:48 pm
Woostock Mike,
About 1200 whites per year or an average of 3-4 per day, are murdered by blacks. And of course there are blacks who are murdered by whites. Why this case is so special? Dunno but I’m sure the divisive community organizer, Eric Holder at the dept. of payback, Al Sharpton, and other race dividers will make it so.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
5:50 pm
Bada Bing,
Except that Ray Lewis has 2 murders to his credit not one.
William
March 26th, 2012
5:50 pm
“Nope. They can say what they want, when they want, how much they want. What a boycott does is only make it clear to advertisers that they MIGHT lose business if they continue to advertise on that particular show. It is still up to THEM to decide to advertise or not.”
Read much? Look at the sentence following the one you quoted:
“Whether or not these desires are realized or not (a boycott may not in fact produce its intended effect)… “
William
March 26th, 2012
5:51 pm
“It is a shame that the Court cannot put partisanship aside in this decision and vote the Constitution, no matter what your political leaning.”
Imagine that.
William
March 26th, 2012
5:52 pm
“21 year old white male murdered at Mississippi State. Suspects are 3 African Americans. Funny how no media outlets are talking about this at all.”
Well, not so very funny.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
5:52 pm
“Why this case is so special?”
Because it captured peoples attention. Why is John Carter losing money, and The Hunger Games making money? Because one captured the public’s attention and the other didn’t.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
5:53 pm
kayaker
Pretty good article in the Moonie Times (Washington Times) today about the Supreme’s
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/25/ruling-on-health-care-case-hard-to-predict/?page=all
Only one person’s opinion but a fairly interesting read
BADA BING
March 26th, 2012
5:55 pm
A teenager suspended from school for pot possesion, and a Hispanic Barney Fife find each other and chaos erupts. And the rest of the country is at each other’s throats. What is wrong with this picture?
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
5:57 pm
I need some help here, gang, and hope someone can give me a recommendation. How does the Loew’s Hotel in Atlanta compare to the Ritz-Carlton downtown?? They’re both about the same price. PB and I are running the Ptree Road Race this year, and need to book a room.
If we make the broadcast, I’ll be sure to mention Bookman this year.
William
March 26th, 2012
5:57 pm
“About 1200 whites per year or an average of 3-4 per day, are murdered by blacks. And of course there are blacks who are murdered by whites. Why this case is so special? ”
I was out driving around earlier and Hannity had three black guests on to discuss the issue. It was actually a pretty good discussion. Dunno if you can find it on the net.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
5:58 pm
“What is wrong with this picture?”
Nothing. When has it ever been any different?
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
6:02 pm
kayaker
Sorry for taking so long to get back, but I had to step away for a min. I’m an immigration officer.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:03 pm
Bruno
Never stayed at the Ritz, but Loew’s is closer to midtown and of course the end of the race………..
Ritz might be more up on the service, but taken into account the location Loews would be the one
I stayed there during the Jazz Fest a few yrs ago……..
William
March 26th, 2012
6:04 pm
From the article TBS linked:
“The key break came in 1942, in Wickard v. Filburn, where the court said Congress can ban wheat production even if it is grown for private consumption. The court reasoned that someone producing for his own supply was withdrawing himself from the commercial trade of wheat and thereby affected the market. Thus a decision not to engage in commerce was “commerce.”
You just have to love that kind of logic. Education and intelligence are no bar to folly. Jonathan Swift would have a field day with that one.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:05 pm
Bruno
Plus if you are staying the night of the race and not just night before, there are more places to hang out in-turns of bars, eateries , etc
Just my opinion……..
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
6:06 pm
TBS–I’m reading the reviews, and it’s hard to decide. The proximity to the end of the race is a big draw for me, but PB tends to like the extra elegance which the Ritz seems to offer. Do you know anything about the MARTA station downtown?? The most recent Ritz review trashed their MARTA experience.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
6:08 pm
Would you rank the Loew’s as a true 4 star, or closer to 5 star, TBS?? The style looks modernistic on their website.
Jm
March 26th, 2012
6:08 pm
Skittles sales appear to be going well in FL
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
6:11 pm
According to the AJC, it appears that Trayvon’s mother has filed for a trademark for two statements….. “I am Trayvon” and Justice for Trayvon”. Seems that these two things could be used for CDs and DVDs on the open market. Wouldn’t want to doubt her motives or anything but this seems a bit strange for a grieving and distraught mother, n’est-ce-pas?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
6:11 pm
Jay, I just heard the NPR review of today’s hearings and they discussed the same 1800’s law you described as precedence this morning. They said the SC was avoiding it as a talking point.
Any change to your personal “vegas odds” on this Supreme Court decision?
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
6:11 pm
I think bada bing said it best. A barney fife Hispanic shoots a black kid and all hell breaks loose. But of course the NY Times chimes in that its a “white” Hispanic. Its more fashionable to blame the white part of him. For that matter can we blame the whitey in Obama for his abysmal failure as a president. I’m all for it.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:11 pm
Bruno
I’m sure that the Ritz is more elegant, but Loews is nice and of course the location, location, location…..
I ride Marta probably twice a month and I have never had any problems. I’ve I encountered a beggar or two? yes
Riding Marta on the 4th is a little different. Tons of racers on the train……. Walking or taking a taxi to Marta from the Midtown station up to Lennox would be so easy than of course after the race… you have a relatively short walk back to Loews
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
6:12 pm
Kayaker, our never-ending racist…..yawn
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
6:13 pm
kayaker 71,
Well at least she beat Al Sharpton to the punch on the trademark question.
kayaker 71
March 26th, 2012
6:13 pm
Finn, 6:12,
Then what’s your spin?
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
6:14 pm
Thulsa,
Why this case is so special?
Because it wasn’t investigated properly, allowing feelings to fester and speculation to explode without all the facts being known.
William
March 26th, 2012
6:14 pm
“According to the AJC, it appears that Trayvon’s mother has filed for a trademark for two statements….. “I am Trayvon” and Justice for Trayvon”. Seems that these two things could be used for CDs and DVDs on the open market. Wouldn’t want to doubt her motives or anything but this seems a bit strange for a grieving and distraught mother, n’est-ce-pas?”
Blame our society more than anything. Her motives may be as simple as wanting to be recompensed somehow for her very great loss (since it doesn’t appear she would get much from a wrongful death suit). Hard to say.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:15 pm
Bruno
Tough choice, but a big balla like you will make the right one……
Ritz if of course the Ritz however when you weigh that Loews is pretty damn nice and its location…….. I would lean toward Loews and accentuate the area to PB
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
6:15 pm
“Now he’s a “barney fife Hispanic” ”
At least they’sa capitalizing the H in Hispanic – that’s a start. But now they are banging on southern folks again…..oh my…..
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:15 pm
“Well at least she beat Al Sharpton to the punch on the trademark question.”
I must say…….. that was worth a chuckle or three
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
6:16 pm
I’m sure that the Ritz is more elegant, but Loews is nice and of course the location, location, location…..
We’ll probably go for elegance, then. I’ll have to check how close the MARTA station is to the Ritz. If it’s close, no big deal about the location. A little sweaty ride only adds to the Ptree experience IME.
William
March 26th, 2012
6:16 pm
“But of course the NY Times chimes in that its a “white” Hispanic. Its more fashionable to blame the white part of him. For that matter can we blame the whitey in Obama for his abysmal failure as a president. I’m all for it.”
LOL. TD, there is no end to finding inconsistencies in human beings. Were that we all could be more logically and morally consistent.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:18 pm
Bruno
If you do stay at the Ritz the night of the race, go to the Juke Joint……… Food is ok but high so I would eat elsewhere, but the bar area is pretty cool and they usually have decent bands.
It is basically right across the street from the Ritz
Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 26th, 2012
6:19 pm
Kayaker, I don’t need no spin. You are here everyday to represent that aspect of your belief:
“What have the black people done today”
“Why aren’t the standards for blacks as the same for whites”
“Let’s compare – equally – the black to the white situation”
etc
etc
etc
etc
You think we are dumb? hehehe
Don't Forget
March 26th, 2012
6:19 pm
William
March 26th, 2012
5:52 pm
“21 year old white male murdered at Mississippi State. Suspects are 3 African Americans. Funny how no media outlets are talking about this at all.”
Well, not so very funny.
William,
Take a deep breath. If there are suspects then it is being viewed as a murder and the suspects have either been arrested or are being sought, right? Very different situation.
Bruno
March 26th, 2012
6:26 pm
I just spoke to the desk clerk at the Ritz, and she says that the Ptree Center MARTA station is right across the street. I tried to get her to compare the RItz to Loew’s, but she said she hadn’t been inside Loew’s. She did state that the downtown Ritz was remodeled to have a more modern feel while the Buckhead location is more about old money.
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:29 pm
Bruno
I’m sure you will make PB mucho happy with the choice…… I was just attempting to provide an overview in terms of the hotel and area as a combo package
William
March 26th, 2012
6:31 pm
“If there are suspects then it is being viewed as a murder and the suspects have either been arrested or are being sought, right? Very different situation.”
Are you thereby contending that stories about black victims like Trayvon do NOT get a disproportionate amount of attention? One of the guests (on a panel of black commentators) I heard on Hannity’s talk show today was a youth counselor who works with gangs in inner cities. He said that he thought it was unfortunate Trayvon’s death was getting so much attention when, by far, the greatest cause of black youth victimization was black-on-black crime (he said there had been 41 shootings in SW Chicago this past week or weekend). The Trayvon story, as sad as it is, does not get at the root problem. Even Juan Williams was saying that young blacks are being brought up to dress and act like thugs yet do not understand that this evokes a judgmental response in others. There may be some profiling in the Trayvon case, but all of this attention to it is fed by race. If Sharpton and Jackson were really concerned about their brothers and sisters, they would be publicly addressing the deeper and far more important issues, such as the destructive part of young black culture.
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
6:32 pm
Funny how no media outlets are talking about this at all.”
Funny because it’s far from the truth. I saw the article on the AJC and Yahoo myself over the weekend. A wire story, such as that, will appear in most newspapers across the nation and probably even more websites.
A yahoo search for “Mississippi State student shot” returned quite a few results, with ABC News, CNN, Washington Post, and Fox News amongst those on the first page alone. A Google search for “Mississippi State student shot returned 37,300,000 results in .26 seconds with many major news outlets on the first page as well. The appearance that major media isn’t covering it is only because you’re not looking for it.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
6:35 pm
William,
I am a curious observer of liberal inconsistencies. And their various truths- situational truth, variable truth, adjustable truth, flexible truth, and on…
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:36 pm
Regardless of where one stands on the Trayvon case…… If anyone wants to see media attention……. let a blond female go missing
Greta Van Sustren of Fox and Nancy Grace of CNN will be talking about it from sun up until sun down….
That is the networks choice, however I don’t hear too much complaining about that……….. TD mentioned it one time, but for the most part……… NOTHING
William
March 26th, 2012
6:37 pm
“Funny because it’s far from the truth. I saw the article on the AJC and Yahoo myself over the weekend. A wire story, such as that, will appear in most newspapers across the nation and probably even more websites.”
Are there planned marches? Have notable white leaders and the president made statements about it/ Has the Klan or some other white racist groups put out a bounty on these suspects (like the Black Panthers)? Did people all over don MSU sweatshirts in protest?
The Trayvon story, as sad as it is, is getting a disproportionate amount of attention, in my opinion.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
6:37 pm
Barney Fife?
Really?
That character was bumbling but lovable deputy.
This guy is an obsessed, vigilante nutjob, with a history of violence.
And the biggest point of all. HE HAS NO BADGE.
But he decided to take the law into his own hands (because “they all get away”) and now the Sanford Police Department may well go down in history as the small town version of the LAPD.
Bungling idiots who can’t even adequately investigate a murder scene…
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
6:37 pm
Are you thereby contending that stories about black victims like Trayvon do NOT get a disproportionate amount of attention?
Two students got shot and killed in MS over the weekend, one at Miss State and one at Jackson St. Both appear to have gotten the same coverage from the wire services when you do a search on the two. If Black victims got a disproportionate amount of coverage, when would the news have time to report on anything else. Based on statistics posted by other conservatives here, a Black is getting killed at least every other hour here in the US…
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
William,
Blacks get the majority of sympathy for alleged “hate crimes” from the media despite the fact that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of hate crime relative to their population numbers according to FBI uniform crime stats.
But whites got a lock on the female tragedies with the “missing white girl” syndrome via Natalee Holloway and many others.
William
March 26th, 2012
6:39 pm
“I am a curious observer of liberal inconsistencies. And their various truths- situational truth, variable truth, adjustable truth, flexible truth, and on…”
Which is fine, TD. Only have the humility to acknowledge your own inconsistencies or those on the conservative side. If we were all on the side of truth and reason, things would be much better
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
6:40 pm
Are there planned marches? Have notable white leaders and the president made statements about it/ Has the Klan or some other white racist groups put out a bounty on these suspects (like the Black Panthers)? Did people all over don MSU sweatshirts in protest?
Well, seeing as Trayvon had been shot about 3 weeks before the marches and protests started, you have about 2.5 weeks to gin up support using the same social media outlets that were used in the Martin case. In case you didn’t already know it, the media did not start covering that case until 2-3 weeks after he had been shot. The media only covered it because it was a hot and trending topic on social media.
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
6:42 pm
JamVet,
I didn’t know Zimmerman had a history of violence. Had he been imprisoned for assault or something like that?
They BOTH suck
March 26th, 2012
6:42 pm
“But whites got a lock on the female tragedies with the “missing white girl” syndrome via Natalee Holloway and many others.”
TD: I will offer up a thanks for stating that
How many black women who disappear get the same national coverage?
People on all sides want to be selective on when they think a case is getting too much attention…………..
Forget right or left……
Just know that a good percentage of the time “if it bleeds, it leads”…………
Thulsa Doom with his boot on liberal throats
March 26th, 2012
6:45 pm
William,
I’ve been pretty consistent so far though its impossible for any of us to be 100% consistent and completely take our own biases, life’s experiences, etc. and not have that influence our outlook on most situtations.
Jay
March 26th, 2012
6:45 pm
Are you thereby contending that stories about black victims like Trayvon do NOT get a disproportionate amount of attention?
Absolutely. I’ll even reverse the claim: Stories about black victims like Trayvon get a disproportionately SMALL amount of attention.
For example, when was the last time the media fixated on a missing black woman? Shoot, when was the FIRST time the media fixated on a missing black woman?
By the way, the comparison to the Mississippi State tragedy is horrendous. The Martin case hasn’t gotten this attention because Martin was killed. It has gotten this attention because for too long the case was ignored, without the attention or even investigation it deserved. It took two weeks at least before it drew national attention.
The Mississippi State case has been thoroughly investigated and aggressively pursued; one suspect has already been arrested. There is no valid comparison between them.
Doggone/GA
March 26th, 2012
6:47 pm
“Her motives may be as simple as wanting to be recompensed somehow for her very great loss (since it doesn’t appear she would get much from a wrongful death suit). ”
Or more to the point – to keep outsider from profiting from her loss.
William
March 26th, 2012
6:49 pm
“If Black victims got a disproportionate amount of coverage, when would the news have time to report on anything else.”
Please re-read my post: “…black victims like Trayvon…” What is special about this case that is driving all of the attention? It involves a black youth being shot in an upscale subdivision by an overly zealous man with a last name of Zimmerman and not being arrested for it. On the surface, it smacks of racial injustice. We don’t know if it is or not yet. But what about the injustice of a good young black student being gunned down by black gang members? Where are the protests, the outrage and constant media attention? It seems not unlike the use of the “N” word – do blacks think they can kill their own but don’t let some white person do that or then it’s on! It is not good to strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
William
March 26th, 2012
6:54 pm
“Absolutely. I’ll even reverse the claim: Stories about black victims like Trayvon get a disproportionately SMALL amount of attention.”
I’ll tell you the same thing I told Brosephus: please re-read my post: “…black victims like Trayvon…” What is special about this case that is driving all of the attention? It involves a black youth being shot in an upscale subdivision by an overly zealous man with a last name of Zimmerman and not being arrested for it. I said LIKE Trayvon. I would be very happy to see a LOT more coverage of other black victims and less of Trayvon’s tragic death. The point is, there is something disproportionate about the media coverage in this case and also, as you point out, in many other cases (that go virtually unreported). That is the fault of YOUR industry, Jay.
William
March 26th, 2012
6:55 pm
“Or more to the point – to keep outsider from profiting from her loss.”
Good point, Doggone. You may well be right.
JamVet
March 26th, 2012
6:55 pm
He apparently beat up his girlfriend a few times and had a restraining order placed against him.
He was also arrested in 2005 in Orange County for resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer.
He was not convicted because he entered a pretrial diversion program.
Even Florida governor Jeb Bush said he doesn’t get it: A couple days ago he said of the case, ”The lack of arrest doesn’t make sense to me.”
Brosephus™
March 26th, 2012
6:56 pm
What is special about this case that is driving all of the attention?
The response and drive on social media. Go back and look at who pushed the story from the beginning. It was Facebook and Twitter, not the traditional media that pushed this story. IF there is an equal response for any other incident on Facebook and/or Twitter, I’m sure the media will pick up on it regardless to the race of the subjects.
Jay
March 26th, 2012
6:57 pm
William, I will not try to deny or defend the failings of my industry in reporting criminal cases, etc.
William
March 26th, 2012
6:58 pm
“I’ve been pretty consistent so far though its impossible for any of us to be 100% consistent and completely take our own biases, life’s experiences, etc. and not have that influence our outlook on most situtations.”
Hey, I’m on your side of the fence TD. There is nothing wrong with being or having been wrong, so long as one recognizes it and changes hos or her mind. But I am glad you strive for consistency.
William
March 26th, 2012
7:11 pm
“The response and drive on social media. Go back and look at who pushed the story from the beginning. It was Facebook and Twitter, not the traditional media that pushed this story. ”
I might entertain that argument were it not for the precedent set by the OJ trial years before social media of the sort you mention existed. There is another case of vastly disproportionate coverage. The murders were savage and horrible and OJ was a celebrity but a story like Spector’s has gotten but a tiny fraction of the coverage. I suspect that the media sees sensationalistic bucks to be made in this kind of behavior, pandering to the base instincts of human beings. And yet they have the audacity to claim objectivity nonetheless when, as Jay points out, so very much does not get reported. That is one thing most people don’t realize about the media – that it exercises considerable bias every day by choosing what it will cover and what it will not.
William
March 26th, 2012
7:16 pm
“William, I will not try to deny or defend the failings of my industry in reporting criminal cases, etc.”
Thanks for that honesty.
ld
March 26th, 2012
10:51 pm
As long as protestors are on public property (and not causing a safety hazard) they do/should have the right to protest; however, there are many instances in which government entities and representatives have violated the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of citizens–and many more where BIG BROTHER, corrupted by money and officials in pursuit of personal agendas, would like to do so.
captguitarman
March 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
I will be glad when these guys and gals working under the Gold Dome legilative culture all pack up and head home, and clear the stench from the air. Once again we see how the Geogia House and Senate legislative culture works (Dem or Pub, it works the same):
Make sure that the unpopular bills (unpopular among legislators) about having limits on gifts and creating real ethics laws with teeth, and funding their enforcement — or requiring legislators to spend taxes and fees for their advertised purposes, get buried in committee early on. Then keep the important bills of pet interest groups (those groups handing out the free vacations, lavish meals, golf trips, and Falcons and Masters tickets) — like the sweeping Georgia tax law changes, and the bill to negate personal loan guarantees — or the change in state abortion laws — or to target certain groups like Labor Unions — off the radar screen for as long a possible to avoid public scrutiny, commentary, or attempts to amend. If necessary, use sleight of hand scheduling committee hearings.
And then, wait until the last week so that “last minute” pressure can be applied, with as little information and scrutiny as possible, and then quickly push everything through with up or down votes to avoid amendments on the way out the door — and if a detail or two is left out or something is screwed up, so be it, we’ll fix it next time — maybe. The main thing is to make sure we fill all the right troughs and then get out of Atlanta This is the Georgia legislative culture, and it is just the way they want things.
But the question remains: Is this the behavior of an honorable legislative institution looking out for the interests of all of the citizens of the state – looking out for the greater common good of Georgia? A body trying to move a state that has been in obvious decline forward, and to compete with other more forward thinking and ethical and disciiplined state legislators in the region? Georgians have the state government they deserve, and that can only be changed at the ballot box.