Constitutional torture in the cause of tort reform
Upon taking control of the U.S. House in 2010, Republicans announced that every bill proposed or passed in that chamber would be required to cite specific provisions of the U.S. Constitution that authorize Congress to take such action.
Here, for example, is the language originally contained in H.R. 5, which was approved in the House this week. The bill would abolish the Independent Payment Advisory Board and impose new national limits on malpractice claims.
Hmmmmm.
So, “Health care and insurance industries are industries affecting interstate commerce….”?
They “affect interstate commerce by contributing to the high costs of health care and premiums for health care liability insurance purchased by health care system providers”?
Therefore, the federal government has the authority under the commerce clause to pass legislation dictating how states must handle those issues?
Interesting. Very interesting.
Now, as it happens, the U.S. Supreme Court will be hearing arguments next week in an important case that also revolves around these very questions. In fact, in its defense of ObamaCare, the administration will use language almost identical to that of House Republicans. They will tell the nine justices that “health care and insurance industries are industries affecting interstate commerce.” They will also claim that health insurance and health care “affect interstate commerce by contributing to the high costs of health care and premiums for health care liability insurance purchased by health care system providers.”
Recognizing the potential embarrassment, not to mention the bad timing, U.S. Rep. Rob Woodall of Georgia this week introduced an amendment that stripped H.R. 5 of the language cited above. His amendment was approved just before the bill went onto final passage. Now, the bill contains no constitutional justification for imposing federal limits on state malpractice awards. Apparently, since they can’t find language in the Constitution to justify their actions that would not also justify ObamaCare, they simply abandoned any pretense that it matters.
– Jay Bookman
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0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
5:32 pm
Does everyone know about the two black children that Zimmerman and his wife were helping out financially and the number of black friends they have? I posted it yesterday.
That’s going to make any “hate crime” prosecution a little difficult.
Midori
March 25th, 2012
5:42 pm
what currency were they using scout? coon cash?
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
5:59 pm
5th request for an honest answer, corporal – why was that teenager wearing a hooded sweatshirt “ignorant”?
Brosephus™ - Non stereotypable since 1973
March 25th, 2012
6:00 pm
Scout
I think the whole country knows about that. I don’t think his biggest fear should be prosecution for hate crimes or even murder/manslaughter. He should fear the civil suit that’s coming his way. The burden of proof is much lower, and his grandkids will probably end up having to take a 2nd job to pay off his debt.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
6:05 pm
“We all go. Why not enjoy the go? Use Charmin Ultra Strong.”
– Thomas Jefferson
GT
March 25th, 2012
6:10 pm
If politics stays out of this we will have clear victory for Obamacare and perhaps a forum that will give the debate the justice it deserves. I think they still put you in jail for lying under oath which will handicap the Republicans, but like a final four how it is refereed will make a huge difference.
Adolf McKenzie
March 25th, 2012
6:22 pm
Enter your comments here
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
6:24 pm
“Enter your comments anywhere else but here”
– Thomas Jefferson
Oscar
March 25th, 2012
6:32 pm
One thing about this, if there had not been so many neighbor breakins the homeowners would have not felt the need to appoint a watch captain to protrol and report suspicious activity.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
6:36 pm
Walking down the street while talking on the phone is “suspicious activity”?
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
6:37 pm
If politics stays out of this we will have clear victory for Obamacare and perhaps a forum that will give the debate the justice it deserves.
GT–Although it’s likely beyond your comprehension level, requiring people to purchase a commercial, for-profit product as a condition of citizenship is unconstitutional. It is so cut-and-dried legally, I’m surprised it made it this far.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
6:38 pm
” if there had not been so many neighbor breakins the homeowners would have not felt the need to appoint a watch captain to protrol and report suspicious activity”
And that means nothing whatsoever to what happened.
Brosephus™ - Non stereotypable since 1973
March 25th, 2012
6:43 pm
Oscar
My neighborhood had a rash of break-ins a while back. Instead of neighbors patrolling the neighborhood, we asked the police to do it. That’s one of the reasons we pay taxes in this county. They have no problem with that, and I haven’t heard of any break-ins in a long time because of that. If anybody sees anything suspicious, I imagine they call the police. I haven’t heard of any of my neighbors confronting anybody themselves, but I have seen the police stopping people and questioning them.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
6:43 pm
Kam, if you’re black and wearing a hooded sweatshirt it is.
As for Neighborhood Watch and this thug with a violent history?
Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs’ Association, elaborated on the rules that George Zimmerman broke. First, he approached a suspicious stranger. “If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job,” Tutko said. “This guy [Zimmerman] went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he’s overzealous.”
Volunteers should resist the urge to intervene, Tutko said, even if they happen to see a crime in progress, because they may become victims themselves. He tells Neighborhood Watch trainees that “you do what you can, when you can, as much as you can, but if you cross the line, everybody loses.”
In addition, although Zimmerman broke no laws because he has a concealed weapons permit, it’s something that Neighborhood Watch strongly discourages. “There’s no reason to carry a gun,” Tutko said. “You do not carry a weapon during neighborhood watch. If you carry a weapon, you’re going to pull it.”
And how funny, I chase the corporal down one of his holes and what does he do? He hides down there!
Hysterical…
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
6:47 pm
As for Neighborhood Watch and this thug with a violent history?
I guess the one bright spot out of this whole deal is that it gave AmVet someone new to hate on this week. I’m not sure if I could have handled one more of his Hate Rush posts.
Oscar
March 25th, 2012
6:47 pm
If the kid’s father had driven him to the store instead of making him walk in the rain this whole thing would not have happenned.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
6:50 pm
Special dedication for the JamMan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f39Zs0gB87c
Father, father
We don’t need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we’ve got to find a way
To bring some lovin’ here today
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
6:50 pm
Wow!
Tools have sunk to a brand new level.
Blame the victim’s father.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
6:51 pm
“If the kid’s father had driven him to the store instead of making him walk in the rain this whole thing would not have happenned”
What a bunch of BS. So now it’s no longer the kid’s fault he got killed, it’s his fathers?
Soothsayer
March 25th, 2012
6:56 pm
Well, Tiger ain’t gonna have to worry about makin’ them alimony payments . . . at least for a while yet. After winning the Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill (Orlando), I figure he’s gonna be rollin’ in it. Great to see Tiger back! On to Houston next week!
Recon 0311 2533
March 25th, 2012
6:58 pm
The best guideline I’ve read that prosecutor’s use in all 50 states when evaluating the legality of utilizing deadly force in self defense is ability, opportunity and jeopardy. Opportunity: can it be determined that someone has the ability to kill or maim. Opportunity: does someone have the opportunity to kill or maim. Jeopardy: Is there sufficient reason for a prudent, clear thinking person to believe that a person has the intention to inflict bodily harm that could kill or maim. You can think of many different scenarios that one can be confronted with to make those split second determinations. Unless in this case there’s a creditable eyewitness who can swear under oath that he/she witnessed Zimmerman under attack that justified his utilization of deadly force, Mr. Zimmerman is in very big trouble.
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
6:59 pm
Sooth
His Tiger going to play Houston?
He usually doesn’t play week before a major; plus he played a tourney this Mon and Tues as well as the one this weekend.
Soothsayer
March 25th, 2012
7:00 pm
For some reason, I’ve been humming this song all day. No truer words have ever been spoken.
rightwing troll
March 25th, 2012
7:00 pm
So a grown man is so afraid of a little kid he blows him away at short range, and Scout is defending him?
IT WAS A KID, AND A MAN… ALLEGEDLY FIGHTING… AND HE WAS SO FRIGHTENED HE NEEDED HIS BOOM STICK???… A KID…
What kind of wussy was this “man”?…
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
7:00 pm
Though I have read a lot of spine twisting tripe to make excuses for this killer, Oscar’s last couple of posts are right near the top.
B, I will not run away from racism, bloodlust, bigotry and liars when I see it/them.
But I love Marvin Gaye’s music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RRCZ0QjM2k&feature=related
Soothsayer
March 25th, 2012
7:01 pm
They both: good question. I hadn’t really thought about it. You’re probably right.
Oscar
March 25th, 2012
7:01 pm
If the kid had not been suspended from school for being tardy and being somewhere where he was not supposed to be, then this would have never happened.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
7:03 pm
Trolls.
Jm
March 25th, 2012
7:04 pm
Question.
Was zimmerman’s neighborhood a gated community as some have suggested?
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
7:04 pm
Sooth
Good for the game for him to be competing at a high level……..
He will take week off and be ready for the Masters……….
Should be a great tourney……..
rightwing troll
March 25th, 2012
7:05 pm
Have they shown any sort of physical evidence that backs up yosemite sam’s allegation that he and the boy fought? I mean if Zimmerwoman was so beat he had to shoot an unarmed child up there should’ve been plenty of physical evidence on the boy himself… bloodied knuckles, torn jeans or shirt, stuff like that, I mean it must’ve been pretty physical for this wuss to be in fear of his life to the point of shooting a child…
ragnar danneskjold
March 25th, 2012
7:05 pm
The rational among us will not analyze this as a “black vs white/Hispanic” case, or at least will not draw any meaningful conclusions from the sketchy details so far released. 95% of the black victims of crime are victims of black criminals, so while this event is outside the norm – even if we assume the most heinous of facts – it is by no measure a gauge of any group attitudes. I am distressed to see the Usual Suspects attempting to railroad the suspect in this particular case – give him his day in court.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
7:07 pm
B, I will not run away from racism, bloodlust, bigotry and liars when I see it/them.
I’ve never suggested you should. Just a Brotherly reminder that hating the hater only creates more hate. Per this specific case, none of us were there, so we’re left only with speculation and projection.
And as disturbing as this case is, there were approximately 15,999 other people killed last year. Who is speaking for them??
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/gretna_man_arrested_in_rape_an.html
Recon 0311 2533
March 25th, 2012
7:09 pm
ragner,
You’re absolutely correct. The court should decide this unfortunate case. Some are determined to turn this into a racial incident instead of a legal determination.
rightwing troll
March 25th, 2012
7:10 pm
Right now my gut doesn’t say racism, at least not overtly… more like a cop wannabe napolean type full of false bravado because he gets to carry a gun and be block captain… but he shat his britches at the site of a kid in a hoodie… he’s a lot like some of the resident porch dogs here.
rightwing troll
March 25th, 2012
7:12 pm
I’d also bet that the color of the kid’s skin did cause the block captain to whip it out a bit faster than he normally would…
Recon 0311 2533
March 25th, 2012
7:13 pm
“I’d also bet that the color of the kid’s skin did cause the block captain to whip it out a bit faster than he normally would…”
That’s a supposition.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
7:14 pm
rightwing troll–Do you moonlight as a fortune teller?? Read palms, or goat entrails??
Soothsayer
March 25th, 2012
7:15 pm
They Both: I’m really looking forward to the Masters! Can’t wait.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
7:20 pm
I appreciate you, buddy. But when Corporal Rabbit Hole hides his “ignorant” accusations behind racial stereotypes that don’t apply, I will challenge him to explain. And when he lies about that, I will challenge him again.
And apparently rags thinks the shooter should have been arrested to be allowed his day in court.
To that end, the police chief has already stepped down and the Florida Attorney General has promised that she will get to the bottom of why he was not criminally charged. As has the governor.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
7:29 pm
To that end, the police chief has already stepped down and the Florida Attorney General has promised that she will get to the bottom of why he was not criminally charged. As has the governor.
And as a citizen of this country who is concerned for another citizen, I’m with you. But I’m not more or less with you due to the racial identity of the victim.
Skip
March 25th, 2012
7:34 pm
The kid was fighting for his life,he lost.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
7:36 pm
And while we’re still speculating about this case from last month, the AJC just posted reported another senseless murder:
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/cops-jackson-state-student-1398095.html
“An Atlanta man who attends Jackson State University was fatally shot at a pool party early Sunday morning, according to a report in the Clarion-Ledger.
The newspaper said Jackson police were investigating the shooting of Nolan Ryan Henderson III, 19, of Atlanta.
The newspaper said Henderson was shot in the face and found on the ground in front of an apartment building near 1400 Valley St. around 1 a.m.
The freshman was pronounced dead at the scene. No suspect information has been released, police told the newspaper.”
I’m outraged. How about the rest of you??
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 25th, 2012
7:36 pm
Well, you might of knowed. We talk here on and on about how every Tom, Dick, and Harry ought to have the Right to Bare Arms and the 2nd Amenment and carrying guns everywhere we go. Then somebody gets killed by one of the guns and everybody is all riled about it. Ain’t that what weapons are suppose to do? And do you think everybody that carries a weapon has their head on straight? Don’t you think somebody is going to get killed or bad hurt once in a while? We got people on here that list 5 or 6 pistols they have, when you only need one. You think a person that has 5 or 6 pistols ain’t a little touched in the head?
People—I’ll never understand them.
Animal Rights?
March 25th, 2012
7:40 pm
I know that I am off topic on this one, but where is PETA? They did not have a problem persecuting Michael Vick in the media.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
7:41 pm
The racial identity of the victim is only important to me, in one regard, B.
And that is to watch the lengths that some here will go to defend the actions of that man for killing that black teenager. What has been written here over the past few days has been some of the more disgusting garbage I’ve read here recently. And gawdknows its not like there’s any shortage of it otherwise!
And again, I stand by my assertion that the people here that I indict, and who are going to these great lengths, would not behave remotely the same had that killer been black and the teenager been white/Latino.
I may have been born on a Saturday, but it wasn’t yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ax96iVmTCI&feature=related
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
7:51 pm
And that is to watch the lengths that some here will go to defend the actions of that man for killing that black teenager. What has been written here over the past few days has been some of the more disgusting garbage I’ve read here recently. And gawdknows its not like there’s any shortage of it otherwise!
Point blank–why would you want to define your life by the negative actions of others?? Do you really think it makes you a better person to criticize Scout or others here for the hatred in their hearts that you perceive??
PB is here, buddy, and she says she has a song in mind.
Brosephus™ - Non stereotypable since 1973
March 25th, 2012
7:53 pm
95% of the black victims of crime are victims of black criminals, so while this event is outside the norm – even if we assume the most heinous of facts – it is by no measure a gauge of any group attitudes.
You and Bruno have both decided to introduce that info several times into the debate. What is the percentage of that 95% that claimed self defense or used the “stand your ground” defense? That’s the only thing that matters in this incident.
————————-
I’m outraged. How about the rest of you??
Have you posted your outrage to Facebook or Twitter? Have you contacted the authorities as to the status of the investigation? Have you contacted the news media to dig into the investigation? While you’re channeling outrage, those were the things that people outraged over Trayvon’s shooting did. I don’t do Facebook or Twitter, so I’ll have to take your word that you’ve blown that incident up on both outlets, if you indeed have already done that.
PlatinumBlack
March 25th, 2012
7:58 pm
“Eat this!”
http://youtu.be/MJxOHD3Bsrw
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
8:07 pm
Point blank–why would you want to define your life by the negative actions of others??
Others define me???
Shirley, you jest!
There was a quote I learned a long time ago, read by a man at his brother’s funeral. It has always stuck with me.
My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it. ~Edward M. Kennedy
PB, back at ya…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQGV6v_JG0
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
8:09 pm
Digging the 3DN JamMan. Let me think of a good comeback other than “Ebony and Ivory”…….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
8:10 pm
“Eat this!”
Or this — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJjMnHoIBI&ob=av2n
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
8:12 pm
Back at ya, Jam and Brosephus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVOR28iG_o
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
8:13 pm
Scout,
a little late but glad you made it, lol and your welcome.
BADA BING
March 25th, 2012
8:16 pm
Info, i need info. Did either or both of them have a criminal history? Were blood and toxology tests run? Have 911 tapes and the girlfriends phone been timed for the events to be pieced together and compared to witness statements? Too early for all these comments. Let the investigators do their jobs and then prosecute if needed. A rush to judgement would just be a tradgedy upon tragedy.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:18 pm
JamVet:
You can “challenge” until the cows come home but this is an opinion blog. Everyone’s opinion should be respected unless it’s something like Midori posted earlier about “coon cash”. That was off the charts.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:18 pm
rightwing troll:
It’s possible they were fighting for possession of the weapon. That would make a big difference.
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
8:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyAuATJXc14
PlatinumBlack
March 25th, 2012
8:19 pm
Kam –Oh, yeah? Drink THIS!
http://youtu.be/Q8H5263jCGg
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
8:20 pm
Did either or both of them have a criminal history?
The killer did, the teenager did not.
Were blood and toxology tests run?
They did them at the autopsy of the victim, but not on the shooter.
This is not a black and white world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU4wDMYbIps
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
8:24 pm
Bruno,
I dont really think self payers are the major problem just a part of it. The real reason of that post was to make sure you realize you’re risking all that you’ve worked for by having no coverage (assuming you don’t have catastrophic coverage).
The cost of healthcare is totally out of control and if there were only one cause it wouldn’t be this bad. I see all kinds of waste due to a number of different reasons, most of which aren’t addressed by anyone. One of these days I’ll address it but it would be one helluva long post. In fact I should probably break it up to avoid putting people to sleep.
I did see a Fareed Zakaria special that was fairly interesting. It looked at a couple of things including how other countries control costs and although each had aspects I think would be unacceptable to many Americans there were some good ideas as well. One of the countries mentioned does an excellent job of collecting data and seeing where the money is going. That allows them to focus on those areas to control costs in a reasonable way. We don’t do that. We sit around and argue ideology like a bunch of idiots when what we need are workable solutions.
PlatinumBlack
March 25th, 2012
8:25 pm
for JamVet
http://youtu.be/IGj4_CFgH4c
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:25 pm
The case of African-American journalist Carl Rowan. When it gets “personal” opinions change very quickly and dramatically !!!
Carl Thomas Rowan (August 11, 1925 – September 23, 2000), was an American government official, journalist and author. Rowan was a nationally-syndicated op-ed columnist for the Washington Post and the Chicago Sun-Times. He was one of the most prominent black journalists of the 20th century.
Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot a teenage trespasser, Neil Smith, who was on his property illegally. He was charged for firing a gun that he did not legally own.
Rowan was arrested and tried. During the trial, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate.
In a 1981 column, he advocated “a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period.” In 1985, he called for “A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel).” [4][5]
Private gun ownership had been illegal in the District of Columbia since 1975 [6] and the facts of the case were the talk of the town for many days.
Rowan was tried but the jury was deadlocked; the judge declared a mistrial and he was never retried. In his autobiography, Rowan said he still favors gun control, but admits being vulnerable to a charge of hypocrisy.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rowan
Jm
March 25th, 2012
8:30 pm
Yawwwwwn…..
What are the odds Tiger wins the masters?
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
8:32 pm
PB, I loved that Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta.
Right up my alley, a song of self-empowerment with a dance beat!
If you don’t watch it, I’m gonna get you in the… (I think your boyfriend is already in!)
So go on and sing
Go on and dance
Someday soon you’ll hear that little bell ring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ECPsFQLKTo
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
8:35 pm
Everyone’s opinion should be respected unless it’s something like Midori posted earlier about “coon cash”.
In the recorded 911 tape, Zimmerman can be clearly heard saying “f*cking coons” under his breath, so Midori’s comment was on point.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
8:36 pm
TBS @ 8:19–Great choice, thought of that one myself.
DF @ 8:24–Glad to see your (first) response to the crux of my arguments re: healthcare. Without the crazy pricing and unnecessary costs, financing wouldn’t be an issue. I’ll look forward to your future posts on the topic.
As per my personal choice to not carry insurance, it’s based on many things, good health being one of them, possibly cheapness and stubbornness being some others. The reality is, however, if you get a catastrophic illness in the US, you’re pretty much screwed whether you have insurance or not. In many, if not most of the cases of medical bankruptcy, the person HAD insurance. Happened to my first wife’s parents.
PlatinumBlack
March 25th, 2012
8:40 pm
For Jam:
http://youtu.be/URAqnM1PP5E
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:44 pm
Kammie:
I don’t believe a forensic voice analysis has been done yet. You might have to eat your words.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
8:45 pm
http://axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Zimmerman911Calls/George-Zimmerman-Treyvon-Martin-Coons-911-Call.mp3
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
8:54 pm
The corporal professes such concern for the facts even after he used the most vile racial stereotype to defame and vilify that kid.
Tomorrow, on the one-month anniversary of Trayvon’s murder, there will be vigils for Trayvon Martin across the country, including one in Atlanta.
By now, you’ve probably heard about Trayvon—the 17 year-old African-American student in Florida who was shot by a self-appointed neighborhood vigilante while returning from a local convenience store. Trayvon was carrying nothing but an iced tea and a bag of Skittles.
So many of us have cried over this story. And literally millions of us have spoken out against this travesty through online petitions, photos, messages shared on Facebook, and rallies. Now there will be vigils for Trayvon tomorrow across America.
Here’s the info on the rally in Atlanta tomorrow:
Justice for Trayvon Martin rally
Monday, March 26, at 5:30 p.m.
State Capitol (206 Washington St., S.W.)
Atlanta, GA
You can find more information and RSVP for this important event at http://www.facebook.com/events/296946913710220/.
There’s been vigils, rallies, and marches in cities around the country over the last week— all organized by regular people who are standing up to racism and senseless hate violence.
Local organizers are hoping to build a big crowd to show the media and authorities that from coast to coast, we stand united for justice and against racial profiling. These are also opportunities for us to come together as communities to celebrate the life and mourn the loss of a young man who died too young.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:56 pm
Kammie:
Sorry. That’s not from a forensic voice analysis lab with all of the accompaning voice graph charts, etc. It is merely enhanced volume and may simply be amplifying and misinterpretation.
Time will tell.
http://expertpages.com/news/voiceprint_identification.htm
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:57 pm
JamVet:
“The corporal professes such concern for the facts even after he used the most vile racial stereotype to defame and vilify that kid.”
Very pathetic ………. even for you.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:58 pm
JamVet:
Would you like to comment on Mr. Rowan’s case above ? Hung jury !
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
8:58 pm
P.S. And they weren’t even wrestling and Rowan wasn’t injured.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:03 pm
JamVet:
Anything vile or a racial stereotype in here ?
“You’ve Damaged Your Own Race’: Philly Mayor Blasts Teens, Flash Mobs”
“You’ve damaged yourself, you’ve damaged another person, you’ve damaged your peers and, quite honestly, you’ve damaged your own race,” Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter said in a fiery address before his congregation Sunday. “You damaged your own race.”
Nutter, who is African American, targeted so-called flash mobs of black youths who’ve been caught on video attacking people in downtown Philadelphia. “If you want…anybody else to respect you and not be afraid when they see you walking down the street,” he said from the pulpit at Mount Carmel Baptist Church, “then leave the innocent people who are walking down the street minding their own damn business. Leave them alone.”
Nutter’s chastisements—which didn’t spare parents, either—included:
•“Take those God darn hoodies down, especially in the summer. Pull your pants up and buy a belt ’cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt. Nobody.”
•“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ’cause you look like you’re crazy!”
•“The Immaculate Conception of our Lord Jesus Christ took place a long time ago, and it didn’t happen here in Philadelphia. So every one of these kids has two parents who were around and participating at the time. They need to be around now.”
•“Parents who neglect their children, who don’t know where they are, who don‘t know what they’re doing, who don‘t know who they’re hanging out with, you’re going to find yourself spending some quality time with your kids in jail.”
•To fathers: “If you’re not providing the guidance,and you’re not sending any money, you’re just a sperm donor.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/youve-damaged-your-own-race-philly-mayor-blasts-teens-flash-mobs/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
9:04 pm
The rabbit-hole deflection ploy — how quaint!
bman
March 25th, 2012
9:05 pm
I didn’t even know this Trayvon thing was still going on. A hoodie march? really?
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:08 pm
Kammie:
“This” is a rabbit hole ? The court won’t think so:
http://expertpages.com/news/voiceprint_identification.htm
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:09 pm
Once again when Kammie can’t debate he/she raises the “rabbit hole” defense !
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
9:13 pm
You don’t respond to lunacy.”
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:20 pm
Kammie called the Major of Philadelphia a lunatic. I think Kammie must be racist.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
9:22 pm
So the bunny doubles down on his racist stereotypes and lies that have nothing to do with this young man?
Incredible. But not out unpredictable…
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:25 pm
getalife thinks the Koreans (and the Vietnamese) should have been left to just sort this out among themselves.
Headline: “Obama’s disbelief after staring into N. Korea”
“After squinting through binoculars into a nation frozen in time, US President Barack Obama reeled off a contempt-laden and startlingly frank indictment of North Korea.
The Stalinist remnant of the Cold War was, in Obama’s eyes, nothing but a nation which cannot make “anything of any use”, “doesn’t work”, and even its vaunted weapons exports were hardly state of the art.
“It is like you are in a time warp,” Obama said Sunday, after he toured a rocky border post in the demilitarised buffer zone that has split the Korean peninsular for longer than he has been alive.
“It is like you are looking across 50 years into a country that has missed 40 years or 50 years of progress,” Obama marvelled later, after taking a helicopter back to teeming, prosperous Seoul, just 25 miles (40 kilometres) away.”
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/obamas-disbelief-staring-n-korea-174551638.html
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:26 pm
………….. and JamVet calls the Major of Philadelphia a racist. Very sad.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
9:30 pm
No, I called you a racist.
You just try to hide behind him.
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2012
9:34 pm
Funny how scout does not let little things like forensic analysis or police reports or anything else deter him from his hate-filled rhetoric when it comes to OWS, birther mania, etc.. He would gladly accept a Hannity cut-n-paste or O’Keefe special breakin report as proof positive. By the way, we know the story behind the “lunacy” that Kamchak linked to, scout. Your trip down De Nial doesn’t get you anywhere here.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
9:40 pm
Fellows, I’ve got him trapped in his rabbit hole of “pants down, pick in the hair, tattoos up and down his arms” lies about this young man.
Maybe he’ll come back up later with a new ploy…
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
9:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps&ob=av2e
It’s time we all take our blinders off when looking in the mirror.
Y’all have fun tonight. Catch y’all later.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:53 pm
To anyone out there who wishes to continue some serious discussion jump in.
In my opinion this will probably turn out to be a case of one DUI colliding head on with another DUI.
Time will tell ………. but consider this ……….. as I’m sure Mr. Zimmerman’s defense attorney already has.
What was the victim’s obligation under Florida law ?
If he felt he was being followed (robbery perhaps) he should have:
1) Called 911 himself.
2) Retreated to his home.
3) Stood his ground.
Apparently, (and we’ll have do wait for the evidence) he did not “stand his ground” but went toward Mr. Zimmerman and “may” have initiated a fist fight.
A tragic set of events to be sure.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
9:54 pm
Excuse me: “have to wait”
bman
March 25th, 2012
9:57 pm
0311 .. .. I think he’s guilty, or at least should be taken into custody. Unless, there is something investigators are not sharing publicly.
Kamchak .. .. what are you doing reading silly sites like axiomamnesia? forpetesakes!
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
10:03 pm
bman:
I think it’s that “witness” or they would have. What will be interesting is if the grand jury returns a no bill. Could happen.
If I were the prosecutor I would leave no stone unturned to prosecute under the law.
If I were the defense attorney I would leave no stone unturned to prevent indictment or obtain an acquittal.
It’s the way our system works.
Jm
March 25th, 2012
10:13 pm
Black panther has put a $10,000 reward out for Zimmerman’s head
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
10:15 pm
“Black panther has put a $10,000 reward out for Zimmerman’s head”
You are WAY, WAY late with that one. You really should try harder to keep up.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
10:17 pm
And, BTW, it’s not the “Black Panthers” it’s the New Black Panther Party – which is a tiny splinter group that has usurped a name they really aren’t entitled to and which has been totally disavowed by the Black Panthers.
Bud Wiser
March 25th, 2012
10:22 pm
0311/………..
It’s always the left that screams the race card first, aka “the sky is falling and our race card’s calling”.
I also find it particularly amusing, being that it is the leftist party that has kept the black man down for decades under the enslavement of promises of more welfare in exchange for votes. Combine that with the decay (purposeful in my opinion) of the public school system, particularly since the ‘gift’ of the Department of Education under (who else but) Jimmy Carter, then you have your almost perfect cycle of self-perpetuation.
Keep the minorities dumb through piss-poor education, give them midnight basketball instead,and keep them jobless and in need of government assistance merely to survive, PRESTO, you have your built-in voting block.
Jm
March 25th, 2012
10:22 pm
Doggone
I don’t spend my life on the blog like you
Get a life
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
10:24 pm
Scout
Before you get too attached to the Philly mayor
“I’ve called this nothing short of an assassination.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74447.html
Jeffrey P. Colin
March 25th, 2012
10:25 pm
Isn’t it time that we actually reconsider the overall scope of the Commerce Clause itself? There is enough ambiguity in the various rulings around the Commerce Clause to allow it to be used as argument for any position on any subject under any circumstances. Would it be too much to ask of Congress to establish guidelines and limits on Interstate Commerce that reflect at least an attempt to place the interests of the people as a whole on equal footing with the interests of Business and Industry? I know there has been a rush to expand the perception that Business Interests trump all others in this nation, especially after the disastrous Citizens United Ruling. But, it appears that there is no effort at all being made to bring the legal issues out of the political realm and back into the realm of simple Law. This is yet another example of political expedience winning out over simple legal logic. How can “Lawmakers” be so ignorant of the Law?