Constitutional torture in the cause of tort reform
Upon taking control of the U.S. House in 2010, Republicans announced that every bill proposed or passed in that chamber would be required to cite specific provisions of the U.S. Constitution that authorize Congress to take such action.
Here, for example, is the language originally contained in H.R. 5, which was approved in the House this week. The bill would abolish the Independent Payment Advisory Board and impose new national limits on malpractice claims.
Hmmmmm.
So, “Health care and insurance industries are industries affecting interstate commerce….”?
They “affect interstate commerce by contributing to the high costs of health care and premiums for health care liability insurance purchased by health care system providers”?
Therefore, the federal government has the authority under the commerce clause to pass legislation dictating how states must handle those issues?
Interesting. Very interesting.
Now, as it happens, the U.S. Supreme Court will be hearing arguments next week in an important case that also revolves around these very questions. In fact, in its defense of ObamaCare, the administration will use language almost identical to that of House Republicans. They will tell the nine justices that “health care and insurance industries are industries affecting interstate commerce.” They will also claim that health insurance and health care “affect interstate commerce by contributing to the high costs of health care and premiums for health care liability insurance purchased by health care system providers.”
Recognizing the potential embarrassment, not to mention the bad timing, U.S. Rep. Rob Woodall of Georgia this week introduced an amendment that stripped H.R. 5 of the language cited above. His amendment was approved just before the bill went onto final passage. Now, the bill contains no constitutional justification for imposing federal limits on state malpractice awards. Apparently, since they can’t find language in the Constitution to justify their actions that would not also justify ObamaCare, they simply abandoned any pretense that it matters.
– Jay Bookman
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0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
12:56 pm
DebbieDoRight:
Is draft dodger Bill Clinton included in your “hall of shame” ?
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
12:57 pm
“And so we are now supposed to engage in “imagination” of what could have happened?”
And you AREN’T doing that? You’re basing YOUR opinion on your private and exclusive knowledge of everything that happened? Are you the missing witness they need? Why aren’t you down there being interviewed?
” I prefer to stick with the most plausible, most credible, and most likely scenario of what happened”
Yeah, based on incomplete and sensational media reports. Now THAT is as non-hypothetical as can be. Not.
“You can have your various hypotheticals which are possible but also unlikely”
Same as you are doing, no different.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 25th, 2012
12:57 pm
In Newt’s defense (below) he’s trying to get more money from his campaign and the one with some of the biggest bucks is the NRA…….
Newt Gingrich Calls Trayvon Martin Case A ‘Tragedy,’ Defends Stand Your Ground Law
Gingrich said that while he didn’t know all the facts of the Martin case, he didn’t feel the stand your ground law would ultimately apply.
“The young man apparently was not following the person who’s being investigated,” he said. “Apparently, the shooter was following the young man. That’s not a stand your own ground, that’s a chase the other person into their ground. And I think you’re going to find the law, as interpreted normally, doesn’t apply to this case.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/newt-gingrich-trayvon-martin_n_1375246.html
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
1:00 pm
“In Newt’s defense (below) he’s trying to get more money from his campaign and the one with some of the biggest bucks is the NRA”
If he sticks to that opinion, it’s not likely to endear him to the NRA
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:01 pm
Headline: “DeKalb teen allegedly killed by security guards”
“DeKalb police are investigating fatal shooting Saturday night of an 18-year-old boy who was allegedly killed by two apartment security guards, according to Channel 2 Action News.
Authorities told Channel 2 that Ervin Jefferson was shot to death near his home on Pleasant Wood Drive. The guards, who were on duty at the nearby Village at Wesley Chapel Apartments, told police they were checking out a suspicious car at about 10:30 p.m. when they heard gunfire coming from Jefferson’s home.
The guards told police they saw Jefferson leave the home and walk toward them aggressively, while making threats to kill. That’s when the guards drew their weapons and fired at the teen, hitting him in the chest, police told Channel 2.”
Three points:
1) 18 year old “boys” are in the Marines fighting in Afghanistan. “Boy” is incorrect.
2) If the victim was white and the shooters were black this will get no national headlines.
If the victim was white and the shooters were white this will get no national headlines.
If the victim was black and the shooters were white …………… standby !
3) If wonder if he was wearing a “hoody”?
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:01 pm
The 911 tape is the proof of guilt without reasonable doubt but the other case I posted is a better case to debate the con law of stand your ground.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 25th, 2012
1:02 pm
scout – you’d have to click on the link to see. happy viewing!
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
1:04 pm
I’ve had an upsetting day and It’s time I got out of the house. It’s too pretty to just sit around and mope anymore. I’m out.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
March 25th, 2012
1:07 pm
Scout: If the victim was black and the shooters were white …………… standby !
(A) If the victim was white he would not have looked “threatening” to the rent-a-cops.
3) If wonder if he was wearing a “hoody”?
(B) What a classless jerk you are. I’m amazed I’m just now recognizing that.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:07 pm
“2) If the victim was white and the shooters were black this will get no national headlines.
If the victim was white and the shooters were white this will get no national headlines.
If the victim was black and the shooters were white …………… standby !”
If you watched CNN you would know of the case involving the soldier and this law.
Thulsa Doom
March 25th, 2012
1:08 pm
Bro,
Sorry man but I was thinking of your 10:58 post where you mentioned zimmerman on his back and then your noon post. I don’t mean to misrepresent what you said but between your posts, the police report, and everything else I probably misread what you were saying and my apology for that. You should know I wouldn’t purposely misrepresent what you said.
“For a punch to cause a lasceration on the skull, Trayvon would probably have fractured knuckles or, at a minimum, bruising of the knuckles.”
Still gotta disagree with you on this though. It doesn’t take much for a knuckle to lacerate someone and it can be easily done without fracturing or even bruising your knuckle.
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
1:08 pm
Scout
Are you upset with Bush mostly likely using daddy’s connections to get him in the Gaurd and Cheney receiving how many deferments or more upset with Clinton?
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:09 pm
Headline: “Mangled horses, maimed jockeys: Death and disarray at America’s racetracks”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46848067/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/
Very little difference between this and dog fighting. Maybe it’s time for it to go away also.
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
1:09 pm
Take care Doggone…
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:11 pm
DebbieDoRight:
Wearing a hoody (especially in warm weather) is stupid. Is that what a young man wears for a job interview ?
Pull your pants up too (black or white) !
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:12 pm
Dog fighting and horse racing ?
scout hole.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
1:13 pm
I suspect that ultimately, this nutjob vigilante will face criminal charges…
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
1:14 pm
Doom
Doesn’t take much to cause a cut on the head, but you’re not gonna draw noticable blood with just a little nick. I’ve cut my head shaving enough to know what’s gonna need bandaging and what won’t.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:14 pm
They Both Suck:
Let me put it this way. Years and years ago I work for IRS-Criminal Investigation Division.
If you “avoided” taxes through legal means (tax shelters, non-taxable bonds, etc.) that was fine.
If you “evaded” your taxes you could go to jail, pay penalties, etc., etc.
Clinton : Evaded the draft
Bush: Avoided the draft
Cheney: Avoided the draft
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:15 pm
getalife:
Did you read the article? Jockeys are being severly maimed for $60 a ride.
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
1:16 pm
Scout
Figured you would avoid or play semantic… Nice try….. Was Clinton charged? If so for what and when?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp
Spin all you like…. ALL 3 used connections to stay out of that jungle……..
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:16 pm
No scout holes for me today scout.
Adolf McKenzie
March 25th, 2012
1:19 pm
The Zimmermann, Martin Case, My Son, and the Code
I thought that my son was too young to know about these things, but this story made me realize that as a Skinhead, the time had come to have ‘the talk’ with my son. It seems just yesterday that he was innocently playing ‘Grand Theft Auto’, and listening to his favorite hate music, Marchers for the Motherland, and his fav pop boy band, the Cute Cluckx Clan. But , good times could not last forever.
As I explained it to him, the Code goes like this……..Some people will see you and judge you, without ever really knowing you. They will see the anti-Zionist messages on your t’shirts, the SS face tattoos, the dress khakis that you wear to church, and they will feel threatened. Yes, these things can sway the opinions of the uneducated minorities, and you will have to face the realities of life. Know that I will always be with you as you face the taunts from the majority of the people of America, but we alone know of our plan to save our Race. So, it is with great pride that I now tell you of your pupose and your struggle ahead. Wear your swastika with pride, and remember your duty to your country. Alas, I must now release that little boy to the world.
Thulsa Doom
March 25th, 2012
1:19 pm
“Bullsh###$hit!! You know the answer to the question; youre just pretending not to.”
No. I don’t. You’re now just trying to elicit the response that you want and think should be most people’s response according to what your biases and perceptions of what you think woulda happened. You’re injecting your prejudices and viewpoint into it a little too much and now anyone who disagrees with you is either dishonest or just plain wrong.
“And that”What he should’ve done………” crap you spouted means d#ck cause Trayvon is DEAD and can’t defend himself nor his thoughts or actions at the time.”
Debbie the last thing he shoulda done is attack Zimmerman and thus escalate the situation even further. Zimmerman instigated the entire incident but Trayvon escalated it even further with a physical attack according to the eyewitness and according to the physical wounds that Zimmerman suffered.
“So we’re left with the word of a murderer.”
So you’ve already convicted a man in your mind without due process. Ignore the eyewitness, ignore the evidence including evidence that Zimmerman was physically attacked. Ignore all that and just convict him as a murderer. Your emotions not to mention your built in biases and prejudices have gotten a hold of your better judgment. Just step back a bit and cool off a bit.
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
1:19 pm
So Scout
Are you ok if it was someone who firs your general political ideology and no ok if the person did not?
I do not want to put any words on your mouth, but on the surface…………
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
1:20 pm
Bruno: As I referenced the other night, a Japanese exchange student in a Halloween costume was killed by a homeowner several years ago down in Louisiana. Apparently Al, Jay and the NBPP missed that one.
I remember that incident and I clearly remember being outraged about it. But I have to admit that I had forgotten about it until you mention it.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:20 pm
DebbieDoRight:
Is the Mayor of Philadelphia a “classless jerk” as you see it ?
“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer. Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt. If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy. You have damaged your own race.” — Philadelphia Mayor Michael A. Nutter
How about Rivera ?
“Geraldo Rivera doubled down Friday night on his controversial comments about the Trayvon Martin killing in which he traced the Florida teen’s death back to the hoodie he was reportedly wearing at the time.
“I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters, particularly, to not let their children go out wearing hoodies. I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was,“ Rivera said during ”Fox and Friends” Friday morning.”
SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS !
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
1:21 pm
Nice day out…. Time for a run
Everyone have a great afternoon
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:22 pm
Notice the cons will not respond to the other case involving the death of a soldier.
Funny, when the roles are reversed they say nothing.
carlosgvv
March 25th, 2012
1:23 pm
Doom – 12:09
1. I said “my understanding is”. Obviously, that could change if facts come out that contradict what we’ve heard so far. So, I’m not jumping to conclusions.
2. Where did you hear that Zimmerman is a “fat, out of shape guy”?
3. Even if he is fat and out of shape, a physical struggle with a younger man who you outweigh by 100 pounds does not justify your shooting him unless he has a weapon or is some sort of fighting expert. As I said, there has been no information to suggest Trayvon was a self-defense expert.
4. A broken nose and head laceration are not life threatning injuries and do not justify shooting someone. I’ve witnessed many fist fights in the past which resulted in injuries like these. No one died.
5.Finally, if we had sensible attitudes towards guns in America, this would have not have happened.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:24 pm
The hood thingie is ignorant.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:26 pm
Dear Colonel Holmes,
“I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you will, but I have had to have some time to think about this first letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say. First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft, but for being so kind and decent to me last summer, when I was as low as I have ever been. One thing which made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC. Let me try to explain.
As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary, but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly, but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did. I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations here October 15th and November 16th.
Interlocked with the war is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the classification of selective conscientious objection, for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to, quote, participation in war in any form, end quote. From my work I came to believe that the draft system itself is illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited, parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong, a war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.
The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake. Individuals had to fight if the nation was to survive, for the lives of their countrymen and their way of life. Vietnam is no such case. Nor was Korea, an example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified but the draft was not, for the reasons stated above.
Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country, that is, the particular policy of a particular government, right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country needs men like him more than they know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity.
The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason: to maintain my political viability within the system. For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social progress. It is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead. I do not think our system of government is by definition corrupt, however dangerous and inadequate it has been in recent years (the society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing, and if that is true we are all finished anyway).
When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School, because there is nothing else I can do. In fact, I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to be putting what I have learned to use. But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved.
After I signed the ROTC letter of intent I began to wonder whether the compromise I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program in itself and all I seemed to have done was to protect myself from physical harm. Also, I began to think I had deceived you, not by lies – there were none – but by failing to tell you all the things I’m writing now. I doubt that I had the mental coherence to articulate them then. At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent my 1 – D deferment to my draft board, the anguish and loss of self-regard and self-confidence really set in. I hardly slept for weeks and kept going by eating compulsively and reading until exhaustion brought sleep. Finally on September 12th, I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph, thanking him for trying to help me in a case where he really couldn’t, and stating that I couldn’t do the ROTC after all and would he please draft me as soon as possible.
I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to return to England. I didn’t mail the letter because I didn’t see, in the end, how my going in the Army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved. So I came back to England to try to make something of this second year of my Rhodes scholarship.
And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal. Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to Colonel Jones for me. Merry Christmas.”
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton”
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:29 pm
carlosgvv :
“3. Even if he is fat and out of shape, a physical struggle with a younger man who you outweigh by 100 pounds does not justify your shooting him unless he has a weapon or is some sort of fighting expert.”
A police officer is not justified (normally) in shooting someone just because they are “fighting” them, unless the individual is trying to get the officers weapon. Then all bets are off.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:29 pm
Good for President Clinton Standing up against the Vietnam disaster.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:30 pm
getalife:
“The hood thingie is ignorant.”
You are correct. It is “ignorant” to wear it.
But, considering I think I know what you really meant ……….. tell it to the Mayor of Philly !
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:32 pm
I wear a hood when it is cold outside scout.
It is ignorant .
They BOTH suck
March 25th, 2012
1:34 pm
One more and I’m out
Scout
Go check all the records of those of age to serve in Vietnam who didn’t yet you have gladly voted for in the past, for vote for now and will vote for in the future than come back and tell me that you do not decide this issue based on politics……… and work to justify through innuendo and semantics
You are much smarter than that, but that is a choice you make
peace out
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
1:34 pm
It is “ignorant” to wear it.
Please do explain.
I remember
March 25th, 2012
1:36 pm
Bookman has no ground to lecture ANYONE about constitutional issues as he is of the party that does not care what the constitution says. They twist the law to say what they want it to and are seemingly proud of it.
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2012
1:37 pm
Scout glued his pointy hood on so he wouldn’t lose it.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:39 pm
White cower!
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:43 pm
They BOTH Suck:
I hear you but you are wrong.
Many times we are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils so to speak.
In the proposition you made there were two “avoidances” and one “evasion”.
As I have stated before, just learning to fly a combat jet was more dangerous than a lot of the MOS’s in Nam. Cheney used approved student defferments. I could have also but chose to enlist. That doesn’t make him wrong.
Clinton evaded by deceit.
Thulsa Doom
March 25th, 2012
1:44 pm
“2. Where did you hear that Zimmerman is a “fat, out of shape guy”?”
Carlos,
Just a personal observation looking at the guy’s pic. He needs to jog around the block a few thousand times in my opinion.
“3. Even if he is fat and out of shape, a physical struggle with a younger man who you outweigh by 100 pounds does not justify your shooting him unless he has a weapon or is some sort of fighting expert. As I said, there has been no information to suggest Trayvon was a self-defense expert.”
Zimmerman didn’t have a weight scale to ask Trayvon to step on and weigh himself before he attacked Zimmerman. And if you are being physically attacked and being punched in the nose nor are you going to be thinking about how much the guy weighs. You’re more likely thinking about the asskicking you are taking than how much he weighs or what if any is martial arts qualifications are.
“4. A broken nose and head laceration are not life threatning injuries and do not justify shooting someone. I’ve witnessed many fist fights in the past which resulted in injuries like these. No one died.”
Generally I would agree with you and personally I would rather get my ass kicked then live with knowing that I shot someone. And a broken nose likely will not kill anyone. But a blow to the back of the head you are dead wrong on. Remember that story about the 12 year old girl last week in the news that died after about a minute fight with another girl? Ever watch UFC? You ever notice that you cannot hit the other guy in the back of the head? I remember about a decade ago when I lived in Cherokee county in a subdivision off the town lake parkway when the neighborhood 15 year old bully beat up a 12 year old kid and killed him with a blow to the back of the head in what was one of them routine skill fights. People die from blows to the back of the head more often than you think Carlos.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:45 pm
Actually, it is a smart move wearing a hood because it keeps your head and ears warm.
geraldo is ignorant to this fact.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
1:46 pm
Clinton evaded by deceit.
Speaking of evasion…
Second request. Please do explain – It is “ignorant” to wear it.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
1:48 pm
Thanks to wealthy and connected kids like w not serving, there will never be another draft so it is a scout hole.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
1:53 pm
JamVet:
Maybe you should ask a black man. I would just be accused of being racist.
“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer. Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt. If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy. You have damaged your own race.”
Philadelphia Mayor Michael A. Nutter
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
1:54 pm
Corporal, quit being a coward and just answer the question.
Why do YOU think it is ignorant?
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
2:01 pm
JamVet:
Depends on the time of the year:
In summer it sure marks you as ignorant kind of like if I wore mittens in August to walk my dog …..
getalife
March 25th, 2012
2:07 pm
It is not summer scout but fun to watch your squirm.
The kids around here do not wear hoods in the summer.
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
2:09 pm
Oh, I see. For you it is supposedly a matter of the weather, now.
Riiiight.
Yet you cite, in defense of your claim, one quote that has NOTHING at all to do with one’s apparel based on the temperature. NOTHING.
Try again and be honest this time…
(The truth will set you free.)
carlosgvv
March 25th, 2012
2:11 pm
Doom
A grand jury is now investigaing this case and the Justice Dept. is investigating also. If it turns out that Zimmerman was completely justified in using deadly force, I will stand corrected. Odds are, however, that will not happen.
Thulsa Doom
March 25th, 2012
2:12 pm
Scout,
If a white man says something about hoodies or pulling your pants up and not showing your ass it then of course its ignorant. And if a white mayor or white town adopted an ordinance banning wearing pants that show your ass then its ignorant.
Now if majority black Jonesboro in majority black Clayton County bans it then of course its ok. Its just another of those interesting double standards and uncomfortable truths that we generally don’t talk about.
Thulsa Doom
March 25th, 2012
2:15 pm
Carlosgvv,
It was considered a justified shooting apparently. But now that race has been injected, the president has weighed in, the media is all over it, and Al Sharpton is raising hell they will do something to go after the man. There is no question Eric Holder over at the Department of Payback will be doing something.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
2:16 pm
Thulsa:
Thank you. The Mayor of Philly obviously sees it as a “gang” symbol or something like the pants around your ankles thing. If black kids don’t want to try to get ahead you can’t force them.
I worked with a lot of black friends, mentors, supervisors who decided they were not going to go that route. It’s all about decisions.
CHEVY runs deep!!!
March 25th, 2012
2:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU27XO5vB2k
Thulsa Doom
March 25th, 2012
2:25 pm
Scout,
The mayor of Philly may have seen it as a “gang” issue. I just see it as a looking like a damn fool issue. Yep. Its all about decisions. The thing that the mayor said that needed to be said was the bit about looking like a complete fool with all the tats, pants hung low, dreds, etc. and then wondering why nobody will hire you. Same goes for white kids with the lip, nose, and brow rings, their tats, purple hair, etc. What the eff are they thinking when they go apply for a job? One thing is for sure- they won’t get hired at Chick fil-A.
Thulsa Doom
March 25th, 2012
2:27 pm
Allright, yall have fun. Doomy out. Going to enjoy the rest of yet another beautiful day outside and then I’m gonna grill earlier this evening.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
2:28 pm
Funny how the cons cry about being called racists then prove they are racists all the time.
Look how the latch on to the hoodie thingie.
Your words give you away con racists.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
2:30 pm
Headline: ” ‘Hoodies’ banned at some N.J. schools”
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/09/some_nj_schools_ban_students_f.html
JamVet
March 25th, 2012
2:31 pm
OK, since the corporal won’t be honest, let’s review his defense of his preposterous claim that this child was being “ignorant”.
Scout has clear photographic evidence that this teenager needed to pull his pants up and buy a belt because he was showing everyone his underwear and the crack of his butt.
Also he can show that his hair was uncombed, had pick in the back and that his shoes were untied.
Also that his pants were half down and he had tattoos up and down his arms and on his neck.
But the thrust of Scout’s argument is that he was apparently on his way to a job interview and that he was wondering why somebody wouldn’t hire him?
It is more than ironic that the corporal used the word racist.
Here was a kid who had never been in trouble with the law. He walked to a Quickie Mart and bought some candy and iced tea and was walking home when this man with a criminal record and history of violence towards women and cops killed him for no good reason.
They have put a fervent defense for this man killing that boy, but I guarandamntee you that the corporal and his Republican friends would not have uttered the very first peep in defense of the killer had it been a black man who took the life of a white/Latino kid.
Not one.
And they pretend to wonder why they can’t get more than the tiniest support from ANY minority group…
getalife
March 25th, 2012
2:31 pm
See.
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
2:36 pm
The hoodie argument probably has a basis in reality but it is not hard to imagine, in different circumstances, an article like a confederat flag T shirt producing the same tragic and unjust result. It is a very ugly reality.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
2:37 pm
Even geraldo’s son could not stomach the con racism of the hoodie thingie and called out his racist dad.
barking frog
March 25th, 2012
2:39 pm
It seems everyone knows
what happened in the
Martin/Zimmerman case
but the Sanford police and
the FBI.
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
2:43 pm
Focusing on an article of clothing deflects attention from the crux of the argument. Zimmerman should not have continued following Trayvon AFTER the police told him he need not do it. Had he not been trying to play Supercop or Capt. Savethehood, none of this would have likely happened. I have hoodies in my closet. When it’s cool outside and I don’t want to wear a jacket, I’ll wear a hoodie. If it’s raining, as it was when Trayvon was shot, I’ll have the hood up over my head. Does that make me a thug or wanna be thug? No, it does not. The mayor of Philly, Geraldo, or anybody else can express their opinion until they’re blue in the face, but they have no idea of why a particular person wears that type of clothing. To paint all kids with that one stereotype is pure bullsh*t, anybody who does that should be called out for spreading bullsh*t.
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
2:44 pm
frog
Ain’t that the truth!!
barking frog
March 25th, 2012
2:47 pm
Anyone can call the police.
No neighborhood watch,
no tragedy.
Georgia on my mind...
March 25th, 2012
2:55 pm
Don’t Forget
March 25th, 2012
2:36 pm
I agree with you 100%.
getalife
March 25th, 2012
2:56 pm
Getting ready to hit the casino and yes I am wearing a hoodie.
Out of my cold dead hands to get my hoodie.
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
3:01 pm
get – the thing that I got from the Clinton letter was a reminder of the anguish and internal conflicts that were felt by so many during the Viet Nam war.
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
3:03 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/5-myths-about-the-health-care-law/2012/03/19/gIQAHJ6JWS_story.html
1. The “individual mandate” forces everyone to buy health insurance.
2. Only the individual mandate is at stake in the Supreme Court case.
3. If the court upholds the health-care law, it means Congress has the power to require Americans to purchase any product.
4. The law is socialist.
5. The law is an extraordinary intrusion into liberty.
Interesting take on some of the negative talking points of the ACA.
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
3:07 pm
frog – why do most of your posts today look like an attempt at haiku?
barking frog
March 25th, 2012
3:09 pm
Brosephus,
The ACA requires each
to have it, not buy it.
You also must show
you have it on a 1040.
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
3:13 pm
One thing about the health insurance mandate that few seem to know is that is has absolutely NO teeth.
From page 336:
‘‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In
the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely
pay any penalty imposed by this section, such
taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal
prosecution or penalty with respect to such fail17
ure.
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—
The Secretary shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to
any property of a taxpayer by reason of
any failure to pay the penalty imposed by
this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with
respect to such failure.’’.
I wonder if that will affect the arguments and decision of the SC.
barking frog
March 25th, 2012
3:15 pm
Don’t Forget,
Too many words and
not enough wisdom
here already.
Andraé Crouch
March 25th, 2012
3:19 pm
Let the church say Amen…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amv5UmSB2Bg
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
3:21 pm
frog
The article is 5 Myths. That one’s taken care of. Also, DF’s point is one that is never made by anybody.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
3:22 pm
And, regardless to opinion, the objective is to get the story in the media. How do you feel about a tv show that’s dedicated specifically to missing Black Americans? The network TV One has a show titled Find Our Missing that does that. It specifically highlights cases of missing Black Americans. Why do they do that? The national media tends to ignore them, so that’s the way they’ve determined they can get the story out to help locate those who are missing.
Brosephus–I can’t disagree with you about the media and missing persons. If you’re not a young, pretty, blonde white girl, your chances of garnering the attention of MSNBC, FOX, etc. are just about zero. Which ties in with my larger point about proportionality and the news. Focusing all of our attention on a few sensational cases per year serves no one except the news agencies who use them to sell commercial time. In this particular case, it is the difference in race between perpetrator and victim which has triggered all of the attention IMO, not so much the “stand your ground” legal defense.
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
3:26 pm
From the vent:
If Geraldo was right about hoodies, somebody better get Bill Belichick’s to a safe house .
I voted that one for best.
Fred ™
March 25th, 2012
3:28 pm
Yo Bruno: topic interuptus:
Check out this “band” if you haven’t heard of them before. Singer has almost a Ricky Lee Jones feel to her IMHO. The video is actually good as well. I think the second tune is better than the first one but I can’t quite make up my mind lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW63lS9_MW4&feature=BFa&list=UUddeloXczpo-9Gr8L87_3Ng&lf=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBVZZ4pEIs&feature=BFa&list=UUddeloXczpo-9Gr8L87_3Ng&lf=plcp
Fred ™
March 25th, 2012
3:31 pm
@Andrae Crouch: Wow. It’s been over 20 years since I listened to Andrae. Thanks. I had forgotten how powerful he is……..
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
3:33 pm
One thing about the health insurance mandate that few seem to know is that is has absolutely NO teeth.
DF @ 3:13–While there are supposed to be no criminal charges or liens filed, I believe that any future govt benefits such as SSI will be reduced. Personally, I have no confidence that the enforcement will stay “toothless” for long. I’m banking on the SCOTUS first, religious exemption second.
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
3:35 pm
“Racism isn’t a disease, it is part of original sin”
David Brooks on one of the morning shows today.
I really have to agree with this. The wounds are still raw in Sanford but if one backs up to see the forest I think the basis lies in the fear, mistrust and in some cases the loathing that humans often feel towards those who are different. We see some of the same thought processes in relations between sexes, views on those with other nationalities, other political views, other religions, within different versions of the same religion, where you live (California, the South, Texas, New York, the city, the country), etc, etc. We see it in attitudes toward police based on a few bad ones, against people with long hair at one time based on the activities of some of the war protesters and so on. I could go on and on for pages with examples without that much effort. I think they are all based on the same flawed thought processes.
Brosephus™
March 25th, 2012
3:39 pm
Bruno
Without bringing attention to the case at all, that would have been just another dead kid and nobody would be thinking about that law at all other than the Martin family. You might not like the focus on race, but that focus is what put it in the national spotlight. All kinds of stats related to that law are being kicked around now. For example, I heard one newscast mention that since the law went into effect, “justifiable” homicides have tripled. Is it a case of corelation or causation? Who knows, but nobody would if this or some other case had not been talked about.
Focusing all of our attention on a few sensational cases per year serves no one except the news agencies who use them to sell commercial time.
Initially, the news agencies did not cover this case. They didn’t get into it until the surge in social media attention caused the news agencies to pay attention. Long before it was covered by major networks, I heard Michael Baisden talking about the shooting on his radio show. Facebook and Twitter is what pushed the networks to cover this story.
http://storify.com/HollyEdgell/anatomy-coverage-of-trayvon-martin
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
3:53 pm
Bruno,
I was talking to another doc the other day and he related to me the fact that his son, a healthy guy in his 20’s had to be hospitalized for 2 days due to severe dehydration and intractable nausea and vomitting as a result of a GI bug. The only treatment he required was fluid and electrolyte replacement and IV anti-emetics. His bill was $8,000. I related that story to a male nurse at the facility I’ve been working at and he said his last hospitalization for the same type of illness was about 4 days and cost over $30,000. (As an aside, typical physician reimbursement for an initial H&P/consultation is about $150 and follow up visits/assessments around $50) The point is that it really doesn’t take very much for an otherwise healthy person to rack up bills that would ruin them financially. I don’t know what resources you have but it doesn’t take much to wipe out lifetime savings even for very successful people. I hope you realize this for your own well being. Nobody needs fire insurance until the house catches on fire but then it’s too late.
Fred ™
March 25th, 2012
3:54 pm
New identifier for you Brocephus: Brochepus: Failing on the stereotyping since 19………….
I thought of that because here you are blogging instead of watching the NCAA Tourny, yet you will PROBABLY watch or at least monitor the race in Fontana when it starts……………..
Brosephus™ - Non stereotypable since 1973
March 25th, 2012
3:58 pm
Fred
^^^^ Just for you. Of course with JGR drivers up front, I’m watching the race.
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
3:58 pm
While there are supposed to be no criminal charges or liens filed, I believe that any future govt benefits such as SSI will be reduced.
As far as I know, there are no provisions for that in the law so I don’t know how to respond to that concern.
Fred ™
March 25th, 2012
4:04 pm
Bro: Damn the race already started. You can’t tell when race time is when those asshats at FOX broadcast it. They won;t differentiate between the race and their lame “prerace” crap.
At least Jeff is running in 5th………
Don't Forget
March 25th, 2012
4:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZKB-ZQTkO8&feature=related
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 25th, 2012
4:49 pm
“When hoodies are outlawed, only outlaws will have hoodies.”
– Thomas Jefferson
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
4:50 pm
Don’t Forget
“The hoodie argument probably has a basis in reality but it is not hard to imagine, in different circumstances, an article like a confederat flag T shirt producing the same tragic and unjust result. It is a very ugly reality.”
Thank you.
pogo
March 25th, 2012
5:09 pm
“ObamaCare is here to stay”. For all the shut-ins that depend solely on the government for their well-being and their healthcare, you better hope not. The IPAB will be your Frankenstein. To them you will be just another used up asset not worthy of the cost it takes to keep you alive.
Brosephus™ - Non stereotypable since 1973
March 25th, 2012
5:10 pm
Fred
I think they’re done for the weekend. The Mrs. is a Jr fan. I’m good with any of Joe’s guys and Stewart.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
5:16 pm
The only treatment he required was fluid and electrolyte replacement and IV anti-emetics. His bill was $8,000. I related that story to a male nurse at the facility I’ve been working at and he said his last hospitalization for the same type of illness was about 4 days and cost over $30,000.
DF–Obviously something is extremely wrong with this picture, and it has nothing to do with health insurance or lack thereof. Prices in the health care industry are waaaaaaay out of line with other, normal consumer costs. Though you like to focus on the “free rider” component of health care costs, that only contributes about 8% to the total. Costs need to come down, and forcing otherwise healthy people to purchase health insurance will do nothing to bring sanity to the system.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2012
5:17 pm
“The IPAB will be your Frankenstein. To them you will be just another used up asset not worthy of the cost it takes to keep you alive”
Got any proof of that?
Midori
March 25th, 2012
5:20 pm
well, I see the resident race hookers have weighed in on the Martin case.
probably been working on their comments all night.
garbage in; garbage out.
Bruno
March 25th, 2012
5:24 pm
Fred @ 3:28–Just checked out the vids you posted, very nice. We’ll have to see if they make a slash.
0311/8541/5811/1811
March 25th, 2012
5:29 pm
“In My Seat” by the pilot who was supposed to be on Flt. 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLj4akmncsA