The fanaticism behind Ga.’s pending abortion law

Imagine yourself as a parent who discovers in the 21st week of a pregnancy that your potential child is doomed to die an excruciating death within hours of birth.

Under the time frame laid out under Roe v. Wade, that family would at least have the option to terminate the pregnancy. But under a bill soon to become Georgia law, a woman will be condemned to carry that child in her belly and “allow nature to take its course,” however cruel that course may be.

Again, imagine that situation: the congratulatory smiles that greet the once-hopeful mother and her still-swelling belly in the grocery store, at church and at the daycare center; the well-meaning inquiries as to the baby’s gender and due date. What are intended as friendly gestures turn into repeated cruel reminders of what never will be.

And at birth?

In testimony to a Senate committee Monday evening, Dr. Andrew Dott, an obstetrician specializing in bringing high-risk pregnancies to happy endings, described tragedies in which skill, care and technology still fall short. In some cases, for example, doctors know beforehand that a fetus’s lungs have not developed.

“I ask you whether this child would have experienced less pain and suffering if it had died in the birth canal at 21 weeks, when the child, based on medical evidence, does not experience pain, or after 12 hours of intensive care with tubes down its throat and needles in its blood vessels while it suffocated to death,” Dott told the panel.

Under House Bill 954, almost all abortions later than 20 weeks, including those involving rape and incest, would be banned under the premise that after 20 weeks a fetus is capable of feeling pain. Dott and two other obstetricians, also specialists in high-risk pregnancies, told the panel that overwhelming medical evidence has established that a fetus does not develop the capacity to feel pain until the 28th week of gestation. When doctors operate on fetuses younger than 28 weeks, the committee was told, it is standard medical practice not to use anesthetic because the neural connections needed to feel pain simply do not exist.

Yet the sponsor of the bill, state Rep. Doug McKillip, summarily dismissed the threshold of 28 weeks. “Does anybody believe that? Absolutely not,” he told the panel, in effect calling the medical experts liars. “They are just looking for a reason to say no to this bill.”

In asking for an exception that would at least allow “medically futile” pregnancies to be ended, Dott told the panel that he delivered his first baby in an elevator in medical school 45 years ago. In all his years of practice, he told the panel, “I have never seen a patient who electively aborted a normal pregnancy greater than 20 weeks.”

McKillip blithely dismissed that claim as well. In fact, he repeatedly treated medical experts testifying against his bill with a zealot’s scorn verging on downright contempt. Contradicting Dott, he insisted that “grand majority” of abortions performed Georgia past the 20th week are abortions of convenience. But again, he cited nothing more than his own considerable moral certitude as evidence.

McKillip repeatedly claimed that his bill was motivated by a reverence for life and a concern about fetal pain. However, his refusal to accept an exception even in cases when the pregnancy is medically futile makes that explanation impossible to accept. Given the explicit chance to add that exception to the bill, the Senate committee also refused.

You cannot claim to be motivated by concern for fetal pain and then condemn babies to a birth that all concerned — doctors, mothers, fathers — know will end in a baby’s excruciating, hopeless death.

You cannot claim to be defending life when you condemn a would-be mother to give birth to death. The bill is angry and punitive, a brutal insistence that if God or nature has dictated that a mother and child go through such torture, then said torture will by God occur. Dan Becker, head of Georgia Right To Life, even warned that those seeking an exception for medically futile pregnancies are part of “a new eugenics movement in the United States” similar to that in Nazi Germany.

The Georgia Legislature, in other words, is in the process of surrendering to zealots and fanatics while disavowing compassion and logic. And it is the nature of zealotry and fanaticism to never be satisfied.

– Jay Bookman

588 comments Add your comment

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
1:07 pm

I got a job for ya.

Going down on the farm?

Brosephus™

March 20th, 2012
1:08 pm

I don’t want anyone making any choices for me…”prolifers” are saying the same thing for the “fetus”.

Yet, you are trampling on the mother’s “right” to make choices for HER life. You don’t want people making choices for you, but you have no problem butting into other people’s lives. I get it.

Guy Incognito (Surviving 9,329ppm Pollen w Wildflower Honey)

March 20th, 2012
1:08 pm

Pea’

Thanks. Crude, yes..but I always try to insert a chuckle, regardless of topic:-)

Adam

March 20th, 2012
1:09 pm

Here’s a question: Why bother with hearings if you’re just going to vehemently insist everyone but you is wrong?

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:09 pm

“Tell us about all the providers in AL, TN and SC that are within about 3-4 hours, Doom.”

Birmingham is only 2 1/2 hours from ATL, a few medium sized cities in South Carolina are not far away, Chattanooga is only 1 1/2 hours from metro Atlanta, and I believe Charlotte is only 4 hours from ATL. Perhaps a map of the southeastern U.S. would help you Joe. You’re probably as geographically challenged as you are on everything else.

“I’m thinking you haven’t ever looked in to the matter and don’t realize how few there actually *are.*’

Nope. But I do know there are several major cities within a half day’s drive or less including Birmingham, Nashville, Charlotte, Jacksonville, etc. Once again consult a map or as they say google is yo friend!

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
1:09 pm

Jay, can you allow my comment @ 1:07?

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
1:10 pm

“Thanks. Crude, yes..but I always try to insert a chuckle, regardless of topic:-)” – You definitely weren’t far off. I’d even up the age to 25+ in some cases….

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:10 pm

Thulsa – “I’m simply saying that we don’t know the other side of the story- the reason why pro-lifers would oppose this.”

yeah. I got that. And, as I said – if they’re wrong, but their intent is pure, it really makes no difference – the legislation is still WRONG.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:11 pm

Farmers need help rb.

Your party tossed them under the bus to attack Latinos.

Go pick some peanuts.

George Walton

March 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

“You cannot claim to be motivated by concern for fetal pain and then condemn babies to a birth that all concerned — doctors, mothers, fathers — know will end in a baby’s excruciating, hopeless death.

You cannot claim to be defending life when you condemn a would-be mother to give birth to death. The bill is angry and punitive, a brutal insistence that if God or nature has dictated that a mother and child go through such torture, then said torture will by God occur”
.
Likewise………..you cannot claim to defend civil rights by abdicating the responsibilities of personal responsibility to government thugs.
.
Dumbmasses of the Obama/Limbaugh Nation.
.
sad.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

“Cons love them some consipiracy theories, yes they do”

Sez the guarder himself regarding the W national guard nonsense. A couple of birthers on here but lots of guarders. That’s still funny a day later.

detritusUSA

March 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

Since all you conservatives/republicans are so interested in telling a woman what she can do with her body, how about a little help? I’m horny how about telling my wife it’s time to have sex?

AT

March 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

sfd: “Nobody’s arguing that. Well, except for the “calling it a ‘baby’ bit, I guess.”

It’s the law. By current abortive law, a 20 week old baby has no rights of it’s own, only those granted by the mother. The mother is free to take them away.

And it is vigorously argued for…

emo

March 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

Lauren, you certainly would be missed. There are plenty of us trying to make this a state that has some measure of civilization, while the GOP struggles to take us back to the Stone Age (”Who needs that dang newfangled iron, anyway?”). The fact that there was such a struggle to keep Pres. Obama off the ballot makes it clear how frightened they are that he might win here.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

Doom — blather about cities SNIPPED

FAIL.

I asked about abortion providers there, Doom. Predictably, you failed to understand the question.

I know there are cities there. Cities do not automatically equal abortion providers. You speculated that there were many abortion providers within 3-4 hours who could perform a procedure not available in GA if the legislation passed.

So demonstrate to us how many abortion providers there are in neighboring states (within 3-4 hours) who will perform procedures after 20 weeks. I know it’s a struggle to actually substantiate your claims, but you must try, Doom.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

March 20th, 2012
1:14 pm

yee-haw –
those smart people with their jerbs are sure to come here, now
squeeeeeal

HDB

March 20th, 2012
1:14 pm

The question that many should be asking is: How did the legislators come up with a 20-week time span rather than the previously stated 28-weeks?? What doctors did they consult (or did they consult ANY medical professionals)??

For a party that cries “personal responsibility”, “small government”…..they sure want to dip into EVERYTHING they want to…but want you to leave their POCKETS alone!! If YOU want me to PLAY..YOU gotta PAY!!

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:15 pm

Never did occur to you that should this unfortunate situtation occur that you could drive a couple hours or less to problably 3-4 different bordering states to have the procedure done. But if you aren’t smart enough to consider that option then don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

No, what occurred to us is that we’d rather not live in a state this ass backwards. Sure, I could drive 4 or 5 hours to another state to have a medically necessary procedure performed, or we could just move to a place that’s more in line with our beliefs before we have children. Principles. I gots ‘em.

Aquagirl, you are indeed correct.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:15 pm

detritus … 1:13 – at this time of day, she should be in the KITCHEN where she BELONGS … didn’t you get the memo???

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:15 pm

“the legislation is still WRONG”- USinUK

In your esteemed opinion of course.

RB from Gwinnett

March 20th, 2012
1:15 pm

Lauren, if you aren’t smart enough to figure out you can drive 3 hours in 3 different directions to kill your child legally, I suspect my cat could fill any job a man who would marry you would have.

What an idiot ….

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:15 pm

what’s a jerb???

Adam

March 20th, 2012
1:15 pm

By current abortive law, a 20 week old baby has no rights of it’s own, only those granted by the mother

No, a 20 week year old baby is what you call a baby 20 weeks after it has exited the womb. I don’t hear anyone answering the question “How old is your baby?” with “1 year” when it’s only 3 months out of the womb.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

By current abortive law, a 20 week old baby

WTF is this “current abortive law” you speak of?

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

“No, what occurred to us is that we’d rather not live in a state this ass backwards”

Delta is ready when you are ma’am.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

Doom — “Sez the guarder himself regarding the W national guard nonsense. A couple of birthers on here but lots of guarders. That’s still funny a day later.”

When you can substantiate President Bush’s National Guard service in AL with actual training and/or pay records, I will gladly concede. However, absent that data, it’s as much ‘nonsense’ to claim he actually performed duty in AL, given that no eyewitnesses from his alleged unit in AL have come forward.

Adam

March 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

RB: What an idiot ….

Is this:

a) Projection
b) Irony
c) both

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

Thulsa – 1:15 – not in my esteemed opinion (which should be enough right there … ) – according to the doctors and scientists who have studied fetal pain.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

what’s a jerb???

it’s…what…they… took!

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
1:17 pm

Wonder how long Doom will fail to provide actual medical proof that (1) he was “finding” medical reasons where there was none and (2) “Most doctors” consider what he was doing to be” nothing short of murder”. My bet is that he’ll just ignore failing to provide conclusive evidence to back up his kook claims.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
1:17 pm

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:18 pm

RB from Gwinnett,

I’ll chip in a few bucks for Lauren’s gas or airfare.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:18 pm

RB — “Lauren, if you aren’t smart enough to figure out you can drive 3 hours in 3 different directions to kill your child legally, I suspect my cat could fill any job a man who would marry you would have. What an idiot ….”

This is how the GOP is trying to attract female voters to their ranks in 2012. How well do you think it’s going to work, folks? :D

Guy Incognito (Surviving 9,329ppm Pollen w Wildflower Honey)

March 20th, 2012
1:19 pm

detritusUSA

Didn’t take much talk at all…………………….she’ll be home before dinner

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
1:20 pm

My bet is that he’ll just ignore failing to provide conclusive evidence to back up his kook claims.

Any TD ’splanation for that imbecilic assertion upthread will make Mike Daisy’s offered to Ira Glass this week seem like a paragon of transparency.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:20 pm

USinUK — “what’s a jerb???”

It’s a South Park reference. In one episode, time-traveling immigrants were taking all the non- and low-skilled jobs in the South Park area, putting the locals out of work. During the ensuing protest rallies, some of the protestors shrieked about how the immigrants “took er JERBZ,” pronouncing ‘jobs’ in that way.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:20 pm

Now the cons are saying to leave.

Four more years so the cons should follow their own bs.

Get out cons.

RB from Gwinnett

March 20th, 2012
1:21 pm

TD. I’m guessing bus fare. I don’t see Lauren passing a drivers test.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
1:21 pm

This is how the GOP is trying to attract female voters to their ranks in 2012.

yeah. Count on a bordering state ALSO run by lunatic Goopers to provide this service! it’s no big deal!

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:25 pm

rb and doomy.

Leave.

We don’t attack women on this blog.

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:25 pm

RB thinks I’m stupid. The world would be no fun without irony.

Z

March 20th, 2012
1:26 pm

The American version of a Taliban Terrorist is alive and well, sponsoring and passing, dangerous for women, insane bills, in the state of Georgia. How did this happen?

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:26 pm

When you can substantiate President Bush’s National Guard nonservice in AL I will gladly concede. However, absent that proof of his nonservice, it’s as much ‘nonsense’ to claim he actually did not perform duty in AL, given that eyewitnesses and dental records in AL have come forward to verify that he was indeed serving in Alabama.

Doomy’s work with the guarders and their kook left websites is never done.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:27 pm

“How did this happen?”

They voted for it.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:27 pm

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:25 pm
RB thinks I’m stupid.

And RB wouldn’t be the only one.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:28 pm

Doom — “Doomy’s work with the guarders and their kook left websites is never done.”

Maybe you could actually *do* some work, Doom. Posting some actual *evidence* would be a very good start, but that would require effort on your part and I know how you feel about that.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:29 pm

Joe,

doomy will never cede a point.

He is intellectually dishonest.

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:30 pm

And RB wouldn’t be the only one.

To quote Georgia’s finest literary character, “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:31 pm

w served two terms.

Remember the pile of crap he handed our President?

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:31 pm

“So demonstrate to us how many abortion providers there are in neighboring states (within 3-4 hours) who will perform procedures after 20 weeks. I know it’s a struggle to actually substantiate your claims, but you must try, Doom.”

Sooooo you want me to spend my time making phone calls or researching various providers to see who will perform abortions after 20 weeks. Not my job ma’am.

Back at ya. If you’re so interested then lets do this. Hows about you call all several hundred providers in the southeast yourself and get back to me when you’ve proven that all of them don’t provide abortion svcs after 20 weeks. Git started. You got a lot of phone calls to make guarder Joe.

Aquagirl

March 20th, 2012
1:31 pm

Count on a bordering state ALSO run by lunatic Goopers to provide this service! it’s no big deal!

The entire GOP is populated by wannabe doctors who get off prescribing birth control (only $5 ladies!) telling women how/where they can get abortions, blah blah blah. Amazing how they’re all experts on things that they’ll never need and know absolutely nothing about. Complete and total ignorance doesn’t slow them down one bit. That’s teh menz for ya.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:33 pm

“Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

Apparently you do since you keep posting on it.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:33 pm

“Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

Apparently you do since you keep posting on it.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

March 20th, 2012
1:33 pm

“The bill is angry and punitive,”

yeah yeah, its by a Ga Republican, so that’s redundant.

I just wanna see this. Really. Some, bucktooth, jackass white f– goober
in the jaysus police try to walk in mrsstsimons office with his bible
wavin in his hand telling her how she can practice, like those for-profit
bloodsucking leech insurance scum try to do. You should see
what she does to them.
Hey, lemme tell you from experience – he’ll walk outta there with
that bible shoved so far up his ……. he’ll need a proctologist.

If you can’t tell. we’re mad about this.
And we are gonna do something about this.
She made it “hurt” Karen Handel. Trust me.
The devil and Hells army don’t stand a chance against mrsstsimons

Damn, Georgia’s just an embarassment now, just lost its mind.

"""Be Aware"""

March 20th, 2012
1:34 pm

Women in Georgia still vote.

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
1:34 pm

getalife, what does ‘w’ have to do with ga abortion law?

troll

Don't Forget

March 20th, 2012
1:34 pm

detritusUSA

March 20th, 2012
1:13 pm

Since all you conservatives/republicans are so interested in telling a woman what she can do with her body, how about a little help? I’m horny how about telling my wife it’s time to have sex?

Now, now. We all know that wife sex is for makin babies. Sounds like what you want is mistress sex! Just don’t let anybody know about it. After a while the mistress sex will become boring. Then it’s time to dump the old wife, marry the old boring mistress and get a new mistress. Just make sure you say you’re sorry for cheating and have changed and NEVER let anyone know about the current mistress. If you do you’ll have to marry her and find another mistress.

Adam

March 20th, 2012
1:35 pm

Apparently you do since you keep posting on it.

Projection seems to be flying around this blog, mostly from the cons, today.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:35 pm

“Damn, Georgia’s just an embarassment now, just lost its mind.”

Yep. You should probably just move about 500 miles due east of St. Simons.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:35 pm

“Women in Georgia still vote.”

I’m sure they’re working on that one, too … (after all, their cows and pigs can’t vote, why should wimmen???)

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:36 pm

I certainly give a damn about arguing with you. Obviously, I’m here. I was referring to the fact that it would be an impossibility for me to care less than I already do about your assessment of my intelligence.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:36 pm

Pea,

You are a con posting on a lib blog.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:36 pm

Sand fleas to the left of me, guarders to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with you!- Thomas Jefferson.

Adam

March 20th, 2012
1:37 pm

So is that the plan of the abortion law? Piss off the liberals so they move away and you can live in a utopian GOP state?

Good luck with that. I actually hope you succeed. It would be nice to be able to point out to you, daily, how a hard-right-only set of policies causes nothing but trouble for you and your own.

Mick

March 20th, 2012
1:38 pm

doom

You are tuesday delusional about the bush’s duty in alabama. One dental visit? That’s your proof? You were in the service, ever sign a log book? C’mon man, you are just arguing for the sake of argument. Bush deserves no defense on that one cause it’s quite apparent he didn’t give a damn…

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:38 pm

“I was referring to the fact that it would be an impossibility for me to care less than I already do about your assessment of my intelligence.”

Yes. Of course.I am quite convinced…

Guy Incognito (Surviving 9,329ppm Pollen w Wildflower Honey)

March 20th, 2012
1:39 pm

Doomy

Now I have a straight razor and a “severed ear” in my mind’s-eye

Thanks

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:40 pm

For the record, and for what it’s worth, I’m a registered Republican. But only because of Ron Paul. I feel compelled to add that I don’t identify as left leaning or Liberal. (see?! Conservatives can be non crazies! I swear!)

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
1:40 pm

“You are a con posting on a lib blog.”

Anyone remember that Limp Bizkit song, “Trollin”?

Alright, partner. Keep on trollin baby. You know what time it is.

"""Be Aware"""

March 20th, 2012
1:40 pm

Can Governor Nathan Deal be recalled?

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:41 pm

The general will be more sane.

They are trying to fire up the cons to vote.

Just the con vote will lose big.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

March 20th, 2012
1:41 pm

Silence is the best response to a Fool.

Talking Head

March 20th, 2012
1:42 pm

I don’t agree with late term elective abortions, and I don’t agree with the government telling a woman they have to keep a child to term if the doctor has evidence that the baby will not live…if a woman decides to keep a baby who will die after birth to term, thats the woman’s choice

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:42 pm

Pea,

“Give me something to break.”

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
1:44 pm

I have never ever spent one moment of my life in jail. Of any kind.

But I’m getting older now, and if any of you Republicans were to ever talk to a woman like you just have to Lauren, in my immediate presence, there is some good probability that my lifelong streak might well come to and end…

Bruno

March 20th, 2012
1:44 pm

Jay–I doubt if you awaken each day praying that Bruno might agree with you on something, but today is such a day. You are absolutely right. This is not a “conservative issue” by any stretch of the imagination. It is a “fanatical issue”. Keeping my fingers crossed that some good people and cooler heads will prevail down at the Capitol, unless there is something more at work here than you are revealing in your column.

BTW, rejection of conservative fanaticism does NOT = acceptance of liberal fanaticism. Sorry, Libs. There are still two lives at stake whenever a lady becomes pregnant, and the woman does not retain absolute rights over the fetus throughout the pregnancy. Becoming pregnant doesn’t magically make someone above the law.

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
1:45 pm

Keep trollin’ trollin’ trollin’ trollin’

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:45 pm

Mick,

I had a busy day yesterday and really didn’t have time to get back to you. I believe you did make the claim that “no one” saw him there. On that point you would be wrong.

4 military eyewitnesses and 3 corroborating eyewitness say that you and guarder Joe are wrong. Guarder Joe was bold enough to say that no military personnel saw him. He stands corrected as usual. Unless of course you believe these 7 people who have no reason to lie are inexplicably all lying just for the pure hell of it. That would make you one a them guarders like Guarder Joe Mam.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1230769/posts

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:46 pm

Guy – 1:39 – that was one of the few scenes of any movie that I’ve actually had to leave the room for.

Mick

March 20th, 2012
1:46 pm

jamvet

I did 24hrs in downtown miami jail cell, the stories from just that one day could fill a book. The judge threw out my case the next day and my record was sealed and expunged, as if that means anything these days…

JKL2

March 20th, 2012
1:47 pm

-almost all abortions later than 20 weeks, including those involving rape and incest,

Because the Democrat voting base can’t figure out if they are pregnant, or victims of rape or incest in less than 21 weeks…

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:47 pm

Doom — “Sooooo you want me to spend my time making phone calls or researching various providers to see who will perform abortions after 20 weeks. Not my job ma’am.”

Then your snarky assertion at the lady is rejected, Doom.

“Back at ya. If you’re so interested then lets do this. Hows about you call all several hundred providers in the southeast yourself and get back to me when you’ve proven that all of them don’t provide abortion svcs after 20 weeks. Git started.:”

Denied, failure. You asserted that there were plenty within 3-4 hours. The onus is on you to provide proof, Doom. Proof of your baseless and snotty assertion.

Of course, you won’t do it. That’d require you to be honest.

“You got a lot of phone calls to make guarder Joe.”

Not at all. You made the assertion, so you get to support it with proof. Get to work, failure.

Bruno

March 20th, 2012
1:47 pm

I have never ever spent one moment of my life in jail. Of any kind.

You just ain’t living, bro. ;-)

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:48 pm

Lauren – 1:40 – like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.

just sayin.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:48 pm

(see?! Conservatives can be non crazies! I swear!)

Yes. Of course. A Republican who suggests that cons are crazie. Some Republican huh.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:49 pm

Jam,

cons are not worth it .

Pea,

I went to see Limp Bizkit.

A wild experience.

Mick

March 20th, 2012
1:49 pm

doomy

Don’t be a fool, although that may be your lot in this argument. Military records my friend, did you serve? Did you not have to sign a log book during duty? Pay records? None of these things exist for bushie, now who would want to lie for a feller like that?

kitty

March 20th, 2012
1:49 pm

just got back from the west coast and plan to return as soon as possible after 15 years in this loony bin. THis place just gets more and more idiotic. Frankly if those of us who came from other places and started Atlanta’s economic boom left these people would be back slopping the pigs starting with Boss Hogg in the Governor’s mansion. There is a reason you were dirt poor for decades…this sort of baloney.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
1:50 pm

Bruno – 1:47 – okay, that’s just funny.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:50 pm

“Not at all. You made the assertion, so you get to support it with proof. Get to work, failure”

And you made the assertion that its not true. So get to work proving your assertion. You got lots a work to do ma’am.

"""Be Aware"""

March 20th, 2012
1:50 pm

RB from Gwinnett

March 20th, 2012
1:15 pm

You are totally out of line. I bet you are the type that always bullied all women that ever came in your life. You are a terrible excuse for a human being!

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:50 pm

Doom — “4 military eyewitnesses and 3 corroborating eyewitness say that you and guarder Joe are wrong. Guarder Joe was bold enough to say that no military personnel saw him. He stands corrected as usual. Unless of course you believe these 7 people who have no reason to lie are inexplicably all lying just for the pure hell of it. That would make you one a them guarders like Guarder Joe Mam”

Free Republic? Not credible. (laughing) :D

You should be all down with that, especially given your propensity to reject links which you’re offered.

Find something in a major news outlet — even FNC — and we can talk. If all you have is Freep, then you’re just blowing smoke, Doom.

FAIL.

Brosephus™

March 20th, 2012
1:51 pm

There are still two lives at stake whenever a lady becomes pregnant, and the woman does not retain absolute rights over the fetus throughout the pregnancy.

Bruno

I was with you up until that sentence. Until I see conservatives embracing other people butting into their private affairs and making decisions for them or allowing the government to do that, I refuse to ignore the hypocrisy of the conservative position on abortion.

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

Mick, maybe one Friday night you can regale us with some of the details.

B, just amazingly lucky…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKN8OzzO8s

HIPPOCRIT

March 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

HEY KITTY
go now
the only reason its idiotic is that idiotic people from other states moved here because they couldnt work in their idiotically run state

Guy Incognito (Surviving 9,329ppm Pollen w Wildflower Honey)

March 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

UnU

Wow! You REALLY hate Squeeze

–lol

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:53 pm

Doom — “And you made the assertion that its not true.”

Wrong. (laughing) :D

I asked you to *prove* your claim that there *were* plenty of places in neighboring states (within 3-4 hours) where you could get procedures done after 20 weeks. Learn to read, Doom.

“So get to work proving your assertion. You got lots a work to do ma’am.”

Yes, you do, Shirley. Go find us all those abortion clinics in neighboring states that you claimed were there. If there are actually as many as you claim, then your job should be easy. (laughing) :D

josef

March 20th, 2012
1:54 pm

LAUREN

Count me among those who will chip in for your ticket out, not because I support this organized insanity taking place under the dome (I don’t) but because you are so ignorant and uninformed as to think you will be able to escape it wherever you choose to flee. All you have to do is to take one good look at Santorum and the places he and his ilk (beat you to it, Sinkwich :-) ) are making such strides. If you choose to run, then run and good riddance. I prefer to have people who will take a stand and, if it comes to that, go down fighting.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:54 pm

Mick,

Yep. I did serve. And on my DD2 it doesn’t show where I served. As for pay records I have none of my active duty or reserve pay records. None. Who in the hell keeps pay stubs from 30 years ago sir? Who??? Maybe you and some people do but I don’t. I keep my tax records for 7 years and that’s it. If you asked 100 retired serviceman how many of them kept there pay stubs from 20-30 years previous how many of them are going to have them? Do you now understand just how idiotic you sound?

Mick

March 20th, 2012
1:56 pm

jamvet

Nope. Those stories will be told when any of you bookmaniacs (con or lib) make it south and we storm the beach then own it…