The fanaticism behind Ga.’s pending abortion law

Imagine yourself as a parent who discovers in the 21st week of a pregnancy that your potential child is doomed to die an excruciating death within hours of birth.

Under the time frame laid out under Roe v. Wade, that family would at least have the option to terminate the pregnancy. But under a bill soon to become Georgia law, a woman will be condemned to carry that child in her belly and “allow nature to take its course,” however cruel that course may be.

Again, imagine that situation: the congratulatory smiles that greet the once-hopeful mother and her still-swelling belly in the grocery store, at church and at the daycare center; the well-meaning inquiries as to the baby’s gender and due date. What are intended as friendly gestures turn into repeated cruel reminders of what never will be.

And at birth?

In testimony to a Senate committee Monday evening, Dr. Andrew Dott, an obstetrician specializing in bringing high-risk pregnancies to happy endings, described tragedies in which skill, care and technology still fall short. In some cases, for example, doctors know beforehand that a fetus’s lungs have not developed.

“I ask you whether this child would have experienced less pain and suffering if it had died in the birth canal at 21 weeks, when the child, based on medical evidence, does not experience pain, or after 12 hours of intensive care with tubes down its throat and needles in its blood vessels while it suffocated to death,” Dott told the panel.

Under House Bill 954, almost all abortions later than 20 weeks, including those involving rape and incest, would be banned under the premise that after 20 weeks a fetus is capable of feeling pain. Dott and two other obstetricians, also specialists in high-risk pregnancies, told the panel that overwhelming medical evidence has established that a fetus does not develop the capacity to feel pain until the 28th week of gestation. When doctors operate on fetuses younger than 28 weeks, the committee was told, it is standard medical practice not to use anesthetic because the neural connections needed to feel pain simply do not exist.

Yet the sponsor of the bill, state Rep. Doug McKillip, summarily dismissed the threshold of 28 weeks. “Does anybody believe that? Absolutely not,” he told the panel, in effect calling the medical experts liars. “They are just looking for a reason to say no to this bill.”

In asking for an exception that would at least allow “medically futile” pregnancies to be ended, Dott told the panel that he delivered his first baby in an elevator in medical school 45 years ago. In all his years of practice, he told the panel, “I have never seen a patient who electively aborted a normal pregnancy greater than 20 weeks.”

McKillip blithely dismissed that claim as well. In fact, he repeatedly treated medical experts testifying against his bill with a zealot’s scorn verging on downright contempt. Contradicting Dott, he insisted that “grand majority” of abortions performed Georgia past the 20th week are abortions of convenience. But again, he cited nothing more than his own considerable moral certitude as evidence.

McKillip repeatedly claimed that his bill was motivated by a reverence for life and a concern about fetal pain. However, his refusal to accept an exception even in cases when the pregnancy is medically futile makes that explanation impossible to accept. Given the explicit chance to add that exception to the bill, the Senate committee also refused.

You cannot claim to be motivated by concern for fetal pain and then condemn babies to a birth that all concerned — doctors, mothers, fathers — know will end in a baby’s excruciating, hopeless death.

You cannot claim to be defending life when you condemn a would-be mother to give birth to death. The bill is angry and punitive, a brutal insistence that if God or nature has dictated that a mother and child go through such torture, then said torture will by God occur. Dan Becker, head of Georgia Right To Life, even warned that those seeking an exception for medically futile pregnancies are part of “a new eugenics movement in the United States” similar to that in Nazi Germany.

The Georgia Legislature, in other words, is in the process of surrendering to zealots and fanatics while disavowing compassion and logic. And it is the nature of zealotry and fanaticism to never be satisfied.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:11 pm

And it is the nature of zealotry and fanaticism to never be satisfied.

These are “small government” conservatives in their feral state. Par for their sick, disgusting, perverted course.

GA where the crazies live

March 20th, 2012
12:13 pm

I love how Republicans preach they don’t want any interference into our lives by the government and turn around to tell me what I can do with my body. My body, my choice. Period.

larry

March 20th, 2012
12:13 pm

Wonder where Mr. McKillip got his medical degree from ?

ty webb

March 20th, 2012
12:14 pm

“an obstetrician specializing in bringing high-risk pregnancies to happy endings,…”

don’t know about the term “happy endings” being applied here…and that’s not even using Algore’s definition of that term.

Simple Truths

March 20th, 2012
12:14 pm

Hand grenade instructions:
1. Write blog post about abortion.
2. Pull pin.
3. Count three seconds.
4. Lob grenade.
5. Wait for shrapnel to fly.

I imagine there will be several hundred posts to this thread.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:15 pm

I guess it would be inhumane to force the sponsors of this bill to watch a baby die a horrible death in front of his or her parents.

Couldn’t we just arrange for them to die in a fire instead? Wouldn’t that be kinder and gentler?

Mick

March 20th, 2012
12:21 pm

Jay – two thumbs up for your passion on this issue! There are two paths we can go by; a return to the dark ages rife with ignorance and superstition or we can choose enlightenment thinking laced with common sense. Unfortunately, the trending of late has been far to ominous…

getalife

March 20th, 2012
12:21 pm

Here we go again.

Attacking women again.

A coordinated gop attack on women by gop guvs.

Pitiful.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
12:23 pm

““Life gives us many experiences,” he explained. “I’ve had the experience of delivering calves, dead and alive — delivering pigs, dead and alive. … It breaks our hearts to see those animals not make it.””

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/09/georgia-lawmaker-compares-women-to-cows-and-pigs/

women … cows … pigs … they’re all the same …

larry

March 20th, 2012
12:23 pm

Maybe Gov. Deal will some sense about him and veto this piece of trash legislation….

on second thought , he probably will play the party line.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
12:24 pm

This legislation is dumb. That said:

This applies to the liberal yokels on this blog: “And it is the nature of zealotry and fanaticism to never be satisfied”

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:24 pm

More Georgia Gooper lunacy on this front…

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/display/31965

We’ll have a Miscarriage Police investigating fetal deaths, and, per the bill,

Any person committing prenatal murder in this state shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be punished as provided in subsection (d) of Code Section 16-5-1. The license of any physician indicted for an alleged violation of this Code section shall be suspended until resolution of the matter. The license of any physician convicted of a violation of this Code section shall be permanently revoked.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:25 pm

This legislation is dumb.

You can never leave it at that, can you? because by acknowledging as much, you have to acknowledge that your guy Mittens is totally on board with this crap.

so, deflect away.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
12:26 pm

Jay is a liberal hack

Republicans are giving him plenty of tools to hack away with though

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
12:26 pm

Republicans continuing to play God. No surprise.

Gale

March 20th, 2012
12:26 pm

As I consider where I would like to retire, I think about how much I like where I live. Then things like this come up. Teh stoopid! It burns!

Mick

March 20th, 2012
12:27 pm

jm

Why do you bother? A spineless jellyfish has more cred than your rants…

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:27 pm

“I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government’s. The truth is no candidate in the governor’s race in either party would deny women abortion rights. So let’s end an argument that does not exist and stop these cynical and divisive attacks that are made only for political gain.”

Midori

March 20th, 2012
12:28 pm

Mick -

I could kiss you for that 12:27

Gale

March 20th, 2012
12:29 pm

And under the provision of the bill, obstetricians will more and more refuse patients with high risk pregnancies. You can just forget about it if you are diabetic. No doctor will risk the potential legal consequence of a miscarriage.

Road Scholar

March 20th, 2012
12:29 pm

I get a huge pain every time the legislature is in session debating stupid bills. Can we abort the legislature.

The Ga law states that non engineers can not make engineering decisions. How about healthcare/abortions? I put my faith in the doctors, not moronic legislators that have a personal agenda.

Let me say this veeeeeerrrrrryyyy sllloooowwwlllyyy: If you do not want or agree with abortion……DON”T HAVE ONE! That is YOUR decision!:

ty webb

March 20th, 2012
12:29 pm

someone’s pot just called someone else’s kettle, a “rant”. Funny how that happens.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
12:30 pm

“Attacking women again.”

Nope. Jay just puts the same old news on repeat to help democrats as much as possible, even as it further debases his admittedly limited credibility.

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
12:30 pm

Republicans are witches. Let’s put them to the test and see first-hand. Let’s see, how’s that witch test go. If they float up to the water’s surface and breathe, then they must be witches and shall therefore be burned at the stake. Yep, that sounds right.

n

March 20th, 2012
12:30 pm

I hope the voters in Athens are taking note.
Athens is a savvy, relatively sophisticated electorate and should be laser focused on throwing McKillip out at the next election. This guy is a total opportunist who was elected as a Dem and converted to Republican to advance his political ambitions. He is the worst kind of pandering/grandstanding/demagogic lawyer/politician.
Hubris and overweening ambition will hopefully cause his downfall in Athens.

arnold

March 20th, 2012
12:32 pm

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
12:26 pm

“Republicans continuing to play God. No surprise.”

It’s because we live in Jesusland.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:32 pm

Jay just puts the same old news on repeat

Given that this was triggered by “testimony to a Senate committee Monday evening”, and it is now Tuesday noon, how is it “old news”?

JohnnyReb

March 20th, 2012
12:32 pm

The Legislature does not have the power to block all abortions. Instead of tightening requirements to lessen convenience abortions, they go overboard with this lunacy.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
12:34 pm

I think women will make a choice better than a blinded by ideology, corrupt gop.

Mick

March 20th, 2012
12:34 pm

midori

Thanks….

Road Scholar

March 20th, 2012
12:34 pm

TaxPayer: You know that they are hard to ignite if they are in water, don’t you?

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
12:34 pm

Does anyone else think it rather peculiar that a Georgia Republican politician is reminded of cows and pigs when he starts talking about intercourse and its consequences. What do those good old boys do “down on the farm”.

ByteMe

March 20th, 2012
12:34 pm

Once again, stupid male Republicans trying to dominate the “little women”. What else is new?

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
12:35 pm

You know that they are hard to ignite if they are in water, don’t you?

Good point. What if we dunk them in oil instead.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
12:36 pm

jm,

Did you ignore Jay when he said he was at the Ga. capital ?

This is new silly.

Aquagirl

March 20th, 2012
12:36 pm

Why is anyone still talking to Jm? Is there a reason to chat with a serial threadjacker who openly admits he’s here to gloss over his party’s Taliban activities?

Mick

March 20th, 2012
12:37 pm

ty

Wrong, my pot is green and nurtured by nature. Your kettle is hollow and filled with poisons…

larry

March 20th, 2012
12:37 pm

What do those good old boys do “down on the farm”.

TMI, dont want to know. I’ll happily mind my own business as far as that goes.

ty webb

March 20th, 2012
12:38 pm

Mick,
how dare you “rant’ back at my “rant”.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
12:38 pm

Well as long as we keep regulating women, why not go farther to protect those “feti”. Let’s make it against the law to smoke or drink if you are pregnant and require a doctors certificate that you are not pregnant before you buy smokes or drinks. Smoking around pregnant women should also be prohibited even in your own home.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:38 pm

What do those good old boys do “down on the farm”.

I think “going down on the farm” means something different to these guys.

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
12:39 pm

Well, if Republicans insist on doing things per God’s will, we need to get rid of C-Sections and epidurals next. And of course the Republican male’s slender neck will be available within arm’s reach throughout the entire delivery.

ByteMe

March 20th, 2012
12:40 pm

Well as long as we keep regulating women, why not go farther to protect those “feti”.

Mandatory parenting class. In the class, they need to make sure they are clear that good parents do NOT give their 4-year-old an iPhone.

Oh, right, that’s anti-liberty to these same legislators. And anti-business :roll:

getalife

March 20th, 2012
12:40 pm

First, the gop coordinated attack on Latinos to screw the farmers.

Now, the coordinated attack is on women.

Lets not forget the Sharia laws and attack on Muslims.

Then you have the old attacks on gay marriage.

All they do is attack the American voters.

Brosephus™

March 20th, 2012
12:40 pm

More jackassery by the gold dome jackass crew. What else should we expect?

Misty Fyed

March 20th, 2012
12:41 pm

What is a shame is it’s impossible to have a legitimate dialog about the issue. Every time you liberals try to convince anyone you are only concerned with the child, I can’t stop laughing.

ty webb

March 20th, 2012
12:41 pm

how are so called “prolifers”(FWIW, I believe abortion should be legal) waging a “war on women”, when they’re trying to stop 100% of future women from being aborted?

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
12:41 pm

Keep Up – “Let’s make it against the law to smoke or drink if you are pregnant and require a doctors certificate that you are not pregnant before you buy smokes or drinks”

it’s just a matter of time …

who knew this would actually become a documentary : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099731/

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
12:42 pm

Why is anyone still talking to Jm?

Aquagirl,

It’s a….

http://tinyurl.com/6q9eh73

ByteMe

March 20th, 2012
12:43 pm

how are so called “prolifers”(FWIW, I believe abortion should be legal) waging a “war on women”, when they’re trying to stop 100% of future women from being aborted?

Well, when men can have babies, they can be called “pro-life” for their position on dominating a pregnant person’s choices. Until then… they need to STFU already.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
12:43 pm

ty – 12:41 – “when they’re trying to stop 100% of future women from being aborted?”

seriously???

you think that every woman who is pregnant with a female fetus is trying to abort them???

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
12:43 pm

My husband and I moved to Atlanta less than a year ago for his job. We had initially planned to stay here indefinitely, raise a family here. The job market is great, we’re super happy in the city, etc. As of yesterday (when we found out about HB 954), however, we most certainly will not be raising a family in this state. You couldn’t pay me enough money to get pregnant in a state whose government’s interest in my uterus has the potential to kill me. We are changing our life plans based on this legislation. And oh my god, I can’t even talk about what Terry England said. Women’s reproductive issues are on par with cattle reproductive issues according to that woman hating moron.

Brosephus™

March 20th, 2012
12:43 pm

ty

Taking away someone’s right to make choices in their lives and giving government the power to choose for them is waging war against them. Hopefully, the people who claim to be small government will eventually be honest with themselves and admit they are the ones who want government to dictate everything we can and can not do.

Mick

March 20th, 2012
12:45 pm

ty

If that was a rant, then you surely need a new dictionary…

getalife

March 20th, 2012
12:47 pm

If the gop attack you and you still vote for them you are a self defeatist.

I trust the majority of the American people are not self defeatists.

saywhat?

March 20th, 2012
12:48 pm

jm-”Nope. Jay just puts the same old news on repeat to help democrats as much as possible, even as it further debases his admittedly limited credibility.”
______________________________________________________
Because we all look to jm as a judge of credibility. riiiight.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
12:48 pm

As I consider where I would like to retire
Avoid the Adriatic

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

I hate to bring it up but those on here talking about taking away choices, giving gov’t more power, etc. etc. while supporting the hc mandate are hypocrites. Sorry, but it’s the truth. Atleast show a little consistency.

As far as the law goes…if medical data shows the fetus doesn’t feel pain until 28 weeks, what’s the point of the whole 20 week thing?

Jm

March 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

Getalife
This is the same 21 week legislation jay already discussed

That’s obviously his right. I’d say it was a slow news day, but that’s not the case in this situation

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

hmmm…. wonder what happens if the 23 week old “mother” Georgia resident leaves Georgia and goes outside the country to have an abortion. Seems we better tail the mother.

USinUK…. you know you are planting the seeds. Wasn’t that John Galt in the background. :D

ty webb

March 20th, 2012
12:50 pm

Brosephus,
“prolifers” (again, I’m not one) would argue that the fetus’ life is affected by the “choice” as well, and they are merely speaking up for the voiceless fetus’ right to life.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
12:51 pm

Keep Up – 12:49 – planting hte seeds??? darlin, after all the BS legislation that we’ve seen at the state level this quarter, we’re knee-high to an elephant’s eye

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
12:52 pm

ByteMe… well clearly not everyone is a good parent (not naming names but the initials RC come to mind :D ) so perhaps we need not only good parenting classes but licenses to have children. I mean you have to have a license to drive a car. Clearly if we must protect the feti from pain, we need to protect them from the pain of growning up in a family that cannot educate and care for them properly. Oh wait. I forgot that if you feed them and they have not earned it, they will be dependent on the state, so we want them to feel the pain of suffering and hunger and if some die, that is acceptable but ONLY after they are born.

ty webb

March 20th, 2012
12:52 pm

“If that was a rant, then you surely need a new dictionary…”

Mick,
my point exactly.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
12:52 pm

jm,

I think you are confused with other States with gop guvs attacking women.

It is a coordinated gop guv attack on women.

The ultrasound bill and other gop bs you swallow.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
12:52 pm

Written as it is I would tend to agree with Jay on this issue. But I would like to see the other side of the story as to why the R’s oppose even the exception rule.

The reason I suspect and probably the thing Jay is hiding is that the reason right to lifers may oppose this exception is this- a woman who decides to abort late term may just engage in doctor shopping to find an abortionist like a Joe Tiller who is willing to use some flimsy medical reasoning to basically just murder a developed fetus. The criticism of somebody like Tiller was that he would basically just find a medical reason to abort a late term fetus and that most doctors considered what he was doing to be nothing short of murder. I suspect this is the reason they oppose the exception rule- that it will be abused in order to committ late term abortions (in effect murder) based on questionable medical opinions.

Jay may still be right on this issue. But its disturbing to see the nonthinking sheeple on here who automatically assume Jay and the liberals are correct on this issue without fully knowing or understanding the other side of the issue. And that is a shame.

AT

March 20th, 2012
12:53 pm

I don’t know how you can simultaneously argue that a baby should not have to feel pain, by being born with a terminal defect, and argue that the same baby has no individual rights 5 minutes before being born. You argue that it has feelings and a right to sympathy in first case, but not the second. Does a terminal defect suddenly grant person-hood to that baby that a normal healthy in utero baby with an abortive mother not have? You argue on behalf of a baby, that essentially it has a right to death because of pain and suffering, yet the same healthy baby has no right to life.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:54 pm

I hate to bring it up but those on here talking about taking away choices, giving gov’t more power, etc. etc. while supporting the hc mandate are hypocrites.

You have a point, but I’ve always *accepted* the insurance mandate, I never have supported it–I would vastly prefer a single payer plan like Canada’s and leave private insurers to fight over niche/supplemental markets.

The mandate was the only way we could have something approaching universal coverage, so that half-a-loaf seemed, and still seems, better than none.

Of course the SCOTUS might do us all a favor by ruling it unconstitutional, ultimately.

Jerome Horwitz

March 20th, 2012
12:55 pm

Don’t like abortion – don’t have one. It’s between a woman, her doctor, and her beliefs. It’s hilarious having men deciding what women can/cannot due. It’s all about control – if these anti-abortion people really respected human life no children would go to bed hungry.

George Carlin – “republicans love the fetus, but, hate the child”.

Aquagirl

March 20th, 2012
12:55 pm

As of yesterday (when we found out about HB 954), however, we most certainly will not be raising a family in this state.

Lauren, our resident wingnuts will no doubt cheer your departure.They truly have no shame our state appears to be full of banjo-plucking backwards yayhoos. Quite the opposite…it’s a weird badge of honor to them when sensible people run like hell.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
12:55 pm

Ty – then they should have an abortion – but they don’t have the right to inflict their beliefs on me.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:56 pm

and argue that the same baby has no individual rights 5 minutes before being born.

Nobody’s arguing that. Well, except for the “calling it a ‘baby’ bit, I guess.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
12:56 pm

AT — “I don’t know how you can simultaneously argue”

Weren’t you banned from here?

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
12:56 pm

The criticism of somebody like Tiller was that he would basically just find a medical reason to abort a late term fetus and that most doctors considered what he was doing to be nothing short of murder

Doom, you have proof for that statement right? I mean not some kook website or kook conspiracy theory. I mean actual medical proof that (1) he was “finding” medical reasons where there was none and (2) “Most doctors” consider what he was doing to be” nothing short of murder”. No games. No evasiveness. Conclusive evidence to back up your claim.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
12:56 pm

No getalife

Jay already talked about this

Granted, it is a “developing” piece of legislation and story

The legislation is also just dumb

I want fewer laws, not more

Adam

March 20th, 2012
12:56 pm

I would say this is why I do not live in Georgia, however where I live is not THAT much better, since it’s still the South. Oh well.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
12:57 pm

I am against a mandate to force Americans to buy corporate crap because it will be abused .

There ya go pea.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
12:57 pm

Thulsa – 12:52 – so, if they’re wrong but their intent is pure, that’s okey-dokey???

Brosephus™

March 20th, 2012
12:57 pm

As far as the law goes…if medical data shows the fetus doesn’t feel pain until 28 weeks, what’s the point of the whole 20 week thing?

Ideology.

—————————

ty

Do you allow your neighbors to make your decisions for you and your family? Would you like your neighbors to be able to make decisions regarding you and your family? While you frame it as speaking up for the fetus, you are getting into someone else’s private affairs. If you don’t want people butting into your affairs, why would you think other people would want you in theirs?

Guy Incognito (Surviving 9,329ppm Pollen w Wildflower Honey)

March 20th, 2012
12:57 pm

I’ve been swayed…….I now declare that I am an, “Ultra-Abortionist.” In my view, you may abort your child within the first 15 years of life.

Afterall……there just aren’t many 15 year olds that can survive on their own outside the womb

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
12:58 pm

“We are changing our life plans based on this legislation”

Uh-huh. Sure you are.

Never did occur to you that should this unfortunate situtation occur that you could drive a couple hours or less to problably 3-4 different bordering states to have the procedure done. But if you aren’t smart enough to consider that option then don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
12:59 pm

Conclusive evidence to back up your claim.

Well lessee… Bill O’Reilly referred to Tiller as “the baby killer” about a gazillion times, does that count?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:00 pm

Doom — “Never did occur to you that should this unfortunate situtation occur that you could drive a couple hours or less to problably 3-4 different bordering states to have the procedure done.”

Tell us about all the providers in AL, TN and SC that are within about 3-4 hours, Doom.

I’m thinking you haven’t ever looked in to the matter and don’t realize how few there actually *are.*

Jm

March 20th, 2012
1:00 pm

America is obsessed with laws

We should be obsessed with fewer laws

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:00 pm

pea,

Now your turn to be consistent.

Are you pro life?

RB from Gwinnett

March 20th, 2012
1:01 pm

Lauren, “we most certainly will not be raising a family in this state.”

You won’t be missed sweetie. Good luck to you wherever you move to.

Would you be so kind to let everybody know where your husband is leaving a job opening?!

Jm

March 20th, 2012
1:02 pm

Vote for freedom

Vote libertarian

Or republican as a second choice

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
1:02 pm

“I’ve been swayed…….I now declare that I am an, “Ultra-Abortionist.” In my view, you may abort your child within the first 15 years of life.

Afterall……there just aren’t many 15 year olds that can survive on their own outside the womb”

That’s funny, but wrong.

“Are you pro life?” – Yes, I am against abortion.

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:02 pm

The reason I suspect and probably the thing Jay is hiding is that the reason right to lifers may oppose this exception is this- a woman who decides to abort late term may just engage in doctor shopping to find an abortionist like a Joe Tiller who is willing to use some flimsy medical reasoning to basically just murder a developed fetus.

Be that as it may, I absolutely don’t accept legislation that will prevent something that “may” happen. I’m thinking about this in strictly personal terms, but I don’t know how my body will react to pregnancy. It’s possible that I’m a person who will have a high risk pregnancy. I absolutely will not be penalized for having a high risk pregnancy, or carry a stillborn child because someone else may elect to find a doctor who will disregard state law and perform a late term abortion. Your reasoning is faulty.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:02 pm

jm,

We should be attacking corrupt pols using a corrupt system.

Not attacking American voters.

Your party is unhinged.

Thulsa Doom

March 20th, 2012
1:03 pm

USinUK,

I didn’t say that. I’m simply saying that we don’t know the other side of the story- the reason why pro-lifers would oppose this. As I said I suspect it is probably because late term abortionists would use questionable medical opinions to basically just committ murder of a pretty healthy fetus at the behest of a woman who simply changed her mind about the pregnancy late term. Jay could be right and perhaps I would support his opinion on this but we don’t have enough info to really make an informed decision about this controversy. But then if you’re one of the nonthinking sheeple on here then you’ve already made up your mind on the issue based on one man’s opinion haven’t you?

Adam

March 20th, 2012
1:03 pm

As far as the law goes…if medical data shows the fetus doesn’t feel pain until 28 weeks, what’s the point of the whole 20 week thing?

I, too, would like this answered.

I suspect it’s simply a backdoor way to prevent abortions because ABORTION BAD

ty webb

March 20th, 2012
1:03 pm

Brocephus,
I don’t want anyone making any choices for me…”prolifers” are saying the same thing for the “fetus”.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
1:04 pm

Stands, well I am sure that some will make that claim but Fox News has been proven to be liars with false news claims a number of times. So I am sure someone would not claim CBS news is unreliable and then cite O’Reilly as being reliable and have a double standard…

Oh wait. I forgot about reality in Republican worlds.

Lauren

March 20th, 2012
1:04 pm

RB, I suspect you don’t possess the intellectual capability necessary to fill any spot my husband may leave. I’ve been hanging around the Internet long enough to spot a troll, and you my dear, are it. But I’ll take the bait anyway. I’ve got time to kill.

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:04 pm

pea,

Are you against war and the death penalty.

How about these kids that starve to death?

Be consistent.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:05 pm

Doom — “As I said I suspect it is probably because late term abortionists would use questionable medical opinions to basically just committ murder of a pretty healthy fetus at the behest of a woman who simply changed her mind about the pregnancy late term.”

My goodness. More flaky goodness from conservative kook websites. Cons love them some consipiracy theories, yes they do.

Adam

March 20th, 2012
1:05 pm

I think I saw somebody responding to a possible post trying to equate this to the healthcare law. When did that happen? Can someone point me to the post?

getalife

March 20th, 2012
1:05 pm

rb,

I got a job for ya.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 20th, 2012
1:06 pm

RB — “Would you be so kind to let everybody know where your husband is leaving a job opening?!”

Still looking for work, are you? :D