Republicans relaunch class warfare

From The Washington Post:

House Republicans on Tuesday will propose a dramatic reshuffling of the tax code that would collapse the range of individual tax brackets into just two, with lower rates, and slash the top tax rate for corporations.

Under a budget plan that will be unveiled by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), Republicans will propose replacing the current structure of six brackets for individuals with just two tax levels, with a 10 percent marginal tax rate for lower income earners and 25 percent for upper income earners.

That would be a reduction from a top marginal rate of 35 percent currently.

The plan would also lower the top corporate income tax rate to 25 percent and virtually eliminate taxes on corporate profits brought back from overseas….

This is class warfare. Cutting federal revenue long-term by reducing taxes on the rich and on corporations is guaranteed to increase the deficit and the debt. And while blithely pretending on the revenue side that the debt is not a problem, the Republicans also claim that the debt is so massive that it has given them no choice but to dramatically remake Medicare, the program that millions of middle-class and working-class Americans rely upon for health care in their older years.

The inconsistency is glaring: On the revenue side, the debt is ignored as the party pursues its goals of lower taxes on the rich and on corporations. On the spending side, the debt becomes a powerful cudgel with which to beat the middle class into accepting cuts to the basic safety net.

This is class warfare, raw and unmitigated.

– Jay Bookman

426 comments Add your comment

Jm

March 20th, 2012
6:55 am

A tax code that is more flat is only class warfare in Jay’s imagination.

One can debate the merits of the proposal. But to call a flat tax code class warfare is crass.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
6:58 am

America will probably default one day. It will be sad. Both parties will be to blame, though the democrats take the balance of the blame in my view.

Btw, this legislation obviously won’t pass the presidents desk.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
6:59 am

Or the senate…..

Jm

March 20th, 2012
7:01 am

“the debt is so massive that it has given them no choice but to dramatically remake Medicare”

Well it’s true. Medicare spending is on an unsustainable trajectory and the Medicare trust fund runs dry in 8 years.

Simple Truths

March 20th, 2012
7:05 am

Won’t matter. The Senate will never take up a vote in Ryan’s plan. Sort of like hoe the Senate no longer passes a budget.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
7:05 am

Trustees themselves say: Medicare broke in 2024

Others say earlier. Who cares. It will happen before anyone with a 6 year old heads off to college.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/TRSUM/index.html

Jack

March 20th, 2012
7:06 am

Same old liberal theme here today. Tax the well-to-do and give to the never-will-do.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

March 20th, 2012
7:09 am

Good Morning Campers

Another day, another episode of the GOP shooting themselves in the foot.

Good Luck with that.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
7:09 am

10% tax rate sounds good to me

Jm

March 20th, 2012
7:10 am

Jay forgets to mention the elimination of deductions. Per the usual.

Selective disclosure of data.

Jay is just a democrat mouthpiece…..

Simple Truths

March 20th, 2012
7:15 am

Jay,

I would love to see you have a blog post about the budget proposal by the Congressional Progressive Caucus, http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The_CPC_FY2012_Budget.pdf . What are your thoughts about a proposal from the other side of the aisle? It contains plenty of tax increases that should warm your heart.

Jm

March 20th, 2012
7:15 am

From the govt

“The fund also continues to fail the long-range test of close actuarial balance. Medicare’s HI Trust Fund is expected to pay out more in hospital benefits and other expenditures than it receives in income in all future years. The projected date of HI Trust Fund exhaustion is 2024″

Mary Elizabeth

March 20th, 2012
7:20 am

This is not new. It is just the next verse of the same song that has been sung for well over a decade.

The American people need to wake up to what is really going on. They have the numbers to stop this madness if they start facing – without denial – this transformation of America from the America envisioned by Jefferson.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Paul%20Krugman,%20The%20Bankruptcy%20Boys,%202/22/10&st=Search

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
7:22 am

Same old knee-jerking, simplistic, con claptrap here today. Address complex issues with juvenile, fact free stereotypes.

These spendaholic Republican proposals are a farce.

MORE trickle down economics?? Because they have worked out so very well for the tens of millions of working class, Republican families over the past thirty years, right?

How do these guys do it??? Year after year after year, they convince their amazingly gullible rubes that this is the preferred method, even when all of the evidence screams otherwise???

This willful self-destruction by poor, working Republicans is beyond comprehension.

And why is Ryan so into social engineering?

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
7:23 am

Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.)

Can’t we more accurately refer to him as “Professional Psychopath” at this point?

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2012
7:26 am

Voters may hear this and ask themselves: “Paul Ryan. I think I remember him. Wasn’t he the guy who was going to replace Medicare with a coupon book?”

Why yes. Yes, he was.

Guy Incognito (Survivng 8k+ Pollen w Wildflower Honey)

March 20th, 2012
7:27 am

Time for another Lib commercial featuring a Paul Ryan look-a-like pushing a senior citizen AND a minority baby over a cliff

Stay classy dems

Hey Harry R………..how’s the Senate’s budget coming along?

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 20th, 2012
7:34 am

There is really nothing new here. It’s been well known that this current group of GOP tea drinkers don’t know squat about economics, or balanced budgets, but they do know how to enrich their friends and themselves. They also know that it is in the best interests of their friends to have a lower class of citizen slaves, who will have to work for what’s given them and buy from the company stores. A nationwide slave state will be the norm probably based on the old West Virginia coal mines model. God help us if that happens.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
7:35 am

Totally unrelated … but that is SUCH a great Luckovich today … very sweet …

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
7:39 am

They also know that it is in the best interests of their friends to have a lower class of citizen slaves, who will have to work for what’s given them and buy from the company stores.

The PERFECT description of our Republican bloggers here!

The only group of humans in American history who actively works AGAINST their own, their families and their communities self-interests! And have done so for decades!

They are truly beyond insane. (But zombie Reagan would LOVE them!)

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
7:40 am

Could Republicans make it any clearer who and what they worship! Well, they could start each day with some prayers. Something like, “Blessed are the almighty Kochs for they have the money to buy me.” Paul Ryan is clearly owned, free and clear. All he does is continue to offer up his yellow brick road package. What new lies does he serve up to his minions to support his past claims that tax cuts pay for themselves. Has the Koch Heritage Club for Boy Toys managed to re-cook the books and make that 2.8% unemployment rate a more believeable pipe dream. Inquiring minds.

Guy Incognito (Survivng 8k+ Pollen w Wildflower Honey)

March 20th, 2012
7:42 am

UnU

I sat down w Furman Bisher at East Lake, one year, during the Players Championship. Great stories

Mick

March 20th, 2012
7:42 am

What they really want is to regress back to the 1800’s america whereby if you get ill, it will be in your interest to die quickly. There’s a new breed of young americans out there like jm who don’t give a rat’s arse about the elderly. Each generation has seen to want to help those in their golden years who gave so much. People like jm look in the mirror and only see themselves, it’s all about him, screw everybody else…

ragnar danneskjold

March 20th, 2012
7:44 am

How bizarre – government treating all equally is class warfare, but punishing achievers with significantly higher rates is “fair.” Sound like democrat logic to me.

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
7:45 am

Guy – 7:42 – oooo … I’ll bet he had some great stories!! (envious!!)

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
7:46 am

OK, the guy was a raging liberal, but even so, look at this…

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

Mick

March 20th, 2012
7:47 am

ragnar

Didn’t you know, up is really down in your world logic? Proceed with caution…

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
7:47 am

Under the Paul Ryan plan, Apple Inc. will no longer have to struggle with figuring out what to do with an extra 100 billion in cash. It’ll be more like 200 billion. Will Apple increase their dividend from $10.60 per share to $20 to compensate. Well. At least Apple is returning a little of their excess cash to the shareholders (what about the jobs though!) rather than just stuffing more in the pockets of the executives. Blankfein mocks you, Apple, for your actions. Commoners cannot do God’s work.

Mr_B

March 20th, 2012
7:49 am

Jay: Any OCB imput on this yet?

godless heathen©

March 20th, 2012
7:53 am

WashPo 2/22/12: President Obama proposed a major overhaul of the nation’s corporate tax code on Wednesday, an election-year gambit that aims to draw a contrast over a key policy issue with the Republicans vying to replace him.

The plan would lower the nation’s corporate tax rate to 28 percent. At the same time, Obama wants to boost overall revenue from corporate taxation by banning numerous deductions and loopholes that save companies tens of billions of dollars a year on their tax bills.

If YOU do not vote, then YOU have no voice...

March 20th, 2012
7:54 am

One of the famous Republican slogans is “we do not want our grandchildren to have to end up paying off the debt that this country is accumulating”. They are determined to show the American people that they will make sure that the “Corporations that Outsource” will continue to rack up profits, not put Americans back to work here in the U.S., and make the middle class carry the load. They really will become a party that is extinction! “November 2012 will definitely be a war between the classes”!

If YOU do not vote, then YOU have no voice...

March 20th, 2012
7:55 am

They really will become a party that is extinction!
should be
They really will become a party that is EXTINCT!

USinUK - missing the dogwoods ... not the pollen count ...

March 20th, 2012
7:56 am

“The plan would lower the nation’s corporate tax rate to 28 percent. At the same time, Obama wants to boost overall revenue from corporate taxation by banning numerous deductions and loopholes that save companies tens of billions of dollars a year on their tax bills.”

TESTIFY!!!

I’ll take it!!!

godless heathen©

March 20th, 2012
7:59 am

You’ll take 28% but 25% is insane? I’ll take either one if the loopholes are eliminated / reduced.

barking frog

March 20th, 2012
8:00 am

Jm

March 20th, 2012
8:03 am

I see liberals don’t have any facts and are just slandering conservatives per the usual

The liberals are just lost

A choir without a tune to sing, just bickering away

If YOU do not vote, then YOU have no voice...

March 20th, 2012
8:05 am

A choir without a tune to sing, just bickering away

…..and we will be singing in “very large” numbers at the polls in November!

Mick

March 20th, 2012
8:05 am

I see the conservatives coming up with plan after plan to cut taxes on the wealthiest among us. Yes, it’s good to be the king, everyone else -tough luck…

Jm

March 20th, 2012
8:05 am

Liberals on this blog are vaguely pathetic in a sad sort of way

They can’t even discuss facts

Oh well

jeff

March 20th, 2012
8:07 am

I find it amazing that those who are winiing the class war (the rich) are the ones whinning the most about how unfair the tax code is. Yet when someone points out the obvious, that the rich really do not all that often pay the most and someone like Romney does not pay the 35% rate, because he does not get his money from earnings, but from capital, I am the bad guy, a socialist.
Yet who is it that shares the losses and keeps the gains?
Thanks to both the dems and repub’s the tax system is biased towards those who spend the least in terms of % and against those who could use the help. But who cares about the poor, what have they done for us anyway?

Lumpkin

March 20th, 2012
8:07 am

Jay, you know as well as I do that both parties play this game when it suits their political ends. Somtimes I think you and Kyle write in a vacuum. Both of you are as predictable as the sunrise.

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
8:10 am

The fact is that Republicans like Paul Ryan worship the Koch crooks.

ragnar danneskjold

March 20th, 2012
8:10 am

Democrats follow the California model, Republicans follow the Texas model.

Mick

March 20th, 2012
8:12 am

**Republicans follow the Texas model.**

Yes they do, minimum wage jobs with no benefits, hardly any unions, plus a state gov’t that is 15 billion in debt. Yes, that’s the model for the country all right…

carlosgvv

March 20th, 2012
8:12 am

This is another in the endless attempts of Big Business to return to the days of laissez faire. They have already succeeded in taking over the Republicans, as is evidenced by the constant stream of proposals such as this. While comming up with proposal after proposal to allow Business to pay less and less in taxes, Republicans continually hammer away at regulations, another thing that would dissapear with lassez faire. The ultimate Business goal is little or no taxes and regulations. This would be a big win for Corporations and their lackeys and a disasterous loss for the American people. Both Business and the Republicans count on their continued propaganda and brainwashing to keep their electorate sheep in line. So far, it seems to be working. The Democratic Party and Unions are our only hope to stop this amoral greed for profit and political power.

Paul

March 20th, 2012
8:13 am

Just saw the end of Ryan’s interview on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. He said there would be a lot of deduction elimination for the upper earners that would remain in place for the lower earners. Said two people in the same upper bracket can pay vastly differing rates because of special-interest deductions. Said overall the revenue would increase.

We’ll see what it really looks like when it’s unveiled.

But to your point, Jay:…. actually, the question should be addressed to those on the RIght: given how you’ve defined ‘class warfare’ how is Ryan’s plan NOT class warfare?

Paul

March 20th, 2012
8:15 am

Jack

“Same old liberal theme here today. Tax the well-to-do and give to the never-will-do.”

Better get a new mantra. According to Rep Ryan this morning, the Republican plan ends up taking more from the well to do.

In other words, Rep Ryan says he’s for taxing the rich.

barking frog

March 20th, 2012
8:18 am

March 20th, 2012
8:10 am
Democrats follow the
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Republicans follow the
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Common Sense isn't very Common

March 20th, 2012
8:18 am

Well I guess we just have to pass it to see what’s inside the bill. :-)

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
8:18 am

It doesn’t have a chance of passing the Senate. Or hell, even being put up for a vote knowing Reid.

detritusUSA

March 20th, 2012
8:19 am

Republicans try to remember world history, especially Paris, France 1789!

Paul

March 20th, 2012
8:19 am

ragnar

“**Republicans follow the Texas model.**”

Living in Texas, and seeing what happened to Gov Perry’s nomination run, I’ll offer most Republicans are smarter than that.

Jm

Ryan said we need to have means testing for Medicare. Give less to the upper income. How is that not taxing the rich?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:20 am

Someone take the calculator away from Paul Ryan!

Keep the Chevy's rolling

March 20th, 2012
8:22 am

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:22 am

Cutting federal revenue long-term by reducing taxes on the rich and on corporations is guaranteed to increase the deficit and the debt.

This is the math that conservatives just can’t comprehend.

JohnnyReb

March 20th, 2012
8:25 am

“This is class warfare, raw and unmitigated.”

Baloney!

Jay, your champion is residing over the biggest increase in debt in our history. You know he is lying because his lips are moving (more on that as it heats up in the media). He launched the class warfare rhetoric, which you have obviously jumped on. He has no realistic plans to reduce the debt or address entitlements. And, his top priority is to shed the Jimmy Carter image.

Some of your followers obviously do not understand the difference between tax rates and revenue, but you do. Do you really think Republicans would produce a plan that does not increase revenues? You know they would not, so knock off the junk.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 20th, 2012
8:27 am

Do you really think Republicans would produce a plan that does not increase revenues?

Yes.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:27 am

10% tax rate sounds good to me

Yeah, and what kind f America are we going to have with a 10% tax rate? I kinda like paved roads and sewage systems that work. YMMV

Maybe we just dismantle the military? Then we might be able to go to a 10% tax rate.

Paul

March 20th, 2012
8:28 am

Jay regarding Republican Ryan’s plan: ““This is class warfare, raw and unmitigated.””

JohnnyReb’s response to this: “(Pres Obama) s residing over the biggest increase in debt in our history.”

JohnnyReb, you better buy some bracing ’cause you’re gonna hurt your knee, having it jerk so much.

And congratulations, that was the longest diversion we’ve seen here in a month.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
8:28 am

Jay, your champion is residing over the biggest increase in debt in our history. You know he is lying because his lips are moving (more on that as it heats up in the media). He launched the class warfare rhetoric, which you have obviously jumped on. He has no realistic plans to reduce the debt … Do you really think Republicans would produce a plan that does not increase revenues? You know they would not, so knock off the junk.

Wow, rant about the debt while completely ignoring facts. :roll:

The stooopid will be thick on this thread.

kayaker 71

March 20th, 2012
8:28 am

Bozo has written off white working middle class America and traded it for hangers on, “disadvantaged” blacks and latinos (whatever that means), tree huggers, academics Jews, OWS revolutionaries and who knows what else. Then convince women that the evil Republicans want to take away their government supplied birth control. Oh, thrown in a little Wall Street and George Soros money and you have a recipe for success in November. Convince all of those on the dole that those evil white people who cling to their guns and religion are the enemy and voila, you have what, Bookman?….. sounds like class warfare to me.

Ivan

March 20th, 2012
8:28 am

“Cutting federal revenue long-term by reducing taxes on the rich and on corporations is guaranteed to increase the deficit and the debt.”

So does Obamacare. But we’re not worried about deficits and debts as long as it’s “our guys” running up the tab, are we?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:31 am

They really will become a party that is EXTINCT!

No they won’t. They will get the Fox machine rolling a spin it so that their remedial-math base actually thinks this is in their best interests. It happens EVERY day.

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
8:31 am

And, his top priority is to shed the Jimmy Carter image.

Thank ALL of the deities that he doesn’t have to try and shed the George W. Bush image!

The worst ever, and the one that reb voted for twice, right reb?

Oh, and nice dodgeball move in not explaining the first thing about why the claim of class warfare is baloney!

My Republican has a first name, it’s O S C A R…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 20th, 2012
8:32 am

“disadvantaged” blacks and latinos, OWS revolutionaries, government supplied birth control, George Soros

Several blog BINGOs in there.

Just sayin’.

Bill Orvis White

March 20th, 2012
8:32 am

The answers are pure and simple. Place a national $ale$ tax in now and then….. Lower the corporate tax rate to 20 percent, which is conservative by the way! This new rate WILL make our private sector competitive and more in line to compete with and win against Communist China. Once the Reds over there so that we’re winning, their system WILL collapse and democracy will flourish. You see how that domino effect works, you naive seculars?

Now, the Socialist-Democrat Party has always played class warfare. It is the rightful Republican Party that seeks to equal out the playing field by phasing in a fair, flat tax system. When we rightfully oust Hussein Obama from the Oval Office, we will have the power to say goodbye to “his” high taxed, draconian, complicated bureaucratic mess that “he” created. On top of that, Hussein Obama exploded the deficit worse than any president in this once-free nation’s history. Class warfare? YOU BETCHA! Because those who actually earn $$ for a living have to give up $1.75 for every $2 we earn to pay for Hussein Obama’s deficit, ObamaCare, the EPA, Planned Parenthood and unemployment “benefits” while the bloodsuckers out there DON’T PAY A DIME IN TAXES!

So, pass the Ryan Plan NOW and implement the FAIRTax SOON!

God Bless,
Bill

By the way, I’m tired of people thinking that I’m a joke. I AM A HARD-WORKING MAN WHO IS SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING HIS DOLLAR$ CONFISCATED by mindless Big Government “workers.”

GOOD NIGHT!

Amen,
Bill

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:33 am

“Cutting federal revenue long-term by reducing taxes on the rich and on corporations is guaranteed to increase the deficit and the debt.”

Ivan is ok with this because hey, when you are under a load of debt, the best thing you can do is quit your job!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 20th, 2012
8:36 am

By the way, I’m tired of people thinking that I’m a joke.

No doubt.

…while the bloodsuckers out there DON’T PAY A DIME IN TAXES!

Every consumer pays taxes, sport.

Jay

March 20th, 2012
8:36 am

“Do you really think Republicans would produce a plan that does not increase revenues? You know they would not, so knock off the junk.”

JohnnyReb, according to the Tax Policy Center, the tax “reform” plans of all three major GOP candidates for president would substantially reduce revenues and add a trillion dollars or more to the debt over a 10-year period. That’s the reality that you clearly cannot bring yourself to accept.

Donovan

March 20th, 2012
8:37 am

Oh, good lord, please. This editorial spin is comig from the cheer leader of the Democrat Party of Propaganda. The same Party of Shenanigans that borrowed the operative words of “middle-class” and “working-class” from the Communist Party. You know how communism is supposed to work?…it’s the poor working-class stiffs against the nasty rich people thing.

Well, Jay…nice try, but the Republicans are simply saying it’s time for those who don’t pay taxes and haven’t paid taxes to step up to the plate and contribute their FAIR SHARE. Just another type of entitlement that you all have been sucking on for decades. It’s also time for corporations to be taxed less like everyone else in the world so as to become more competitive and play on a level playing field.

So you can forget about the rah-rah speech of class warfare being a Republican thing. That moniker belongs solely to the Democrat Party.

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
8:40 am

“…academics Jews…”

Woo Hoo!

71, has expanded his bigotry! He is now more than just, by his own words, a proven racist and all around xenophobe, he’s an anti-Semite, to boot!

A throw back to earlier in his life, when the hook-nosed Jews were reviled by the arch-conservatives for owning all of the banks. And even worse! Remember when those uppity NY Jews came down here and helped Those People! Marched and died along side them, they did!

Oh noes! Not again! The poor southern, white male Christian under siege from the Zionist banking cabal!

Here ya go, buddy. You’ll have a field day with this one. Enjoy!

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-jewishbankingandfinancialmanipulations-folder.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 20th, 2012
8:40 am

…it’s time for those who don’t pay taxes and haven’t paid taxes to step up to the plate and contribute their FAIR SHARE.

Again –

Every

.

consumer

.

pays

.

taxes,

.

sport.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:40 am

When you watch Tim Tebow, you have no idea what he’s thinking, what he’s doing, why he’s doing it, who he’s aiming at, whether it’s really possible for a ball to wobble like that, and—on certain, gilt-edged weekends—how his team is winning.

funny juxtaposition of Denver’s Tebow and Manning:
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/03/peyton_manning_to_denver_broncos_the_surprising_logical_decision_to_dump_tim_tebow_for_an_all_time_great_quarterback_.html

JohnnyReb

March 20th, 2012
8:41 am

Excuse me Jay, I thought this piece was about Ryan’s plan?

Bud Wiser

March 20th, 2012
8:41 am

You dimwittocrats are truly the masters of class warfare as well as wealth envy, so if you say it is so, then it must be so.

And now, despite record pollen highs, I am once more off to the golf course, riding today (walked yesterday and it was brutal breathing).

Also, in a truly magnanimous gesture, capable of only being bestowed by a true conservative, yet appreciative and gentlemanly sportsman, I now give thanks to AmVet for his golfing suggestion recently.

In the true throes of desparation, at absolute wits end, seemingly at the end of my rope, bordering on insanity, I tried his technique.

A glimmer of hope shone through. Hours at the range practising and tweaking, and an on-off round yesterday, potential rears its promising head.

Now if I can just lay off the beers during the round……………

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:41 am

Bozo has written off white working middle class America

Oh,more of that white racial resentment. Had to see it coming…

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

March 20th, 2012
8:42 am

Well, Jay…nice try, but the Republicans are simply saying it’s time for those who don’t pay taxes and haven’t paid taxes to step up to the plate and contribute their FAIR SHARE

Oh no, not the “people who don’t pay taxes” false theme! All together now: EVERYONE pays taxes!

Finn McCool (Class Warfare === Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

March 20th, 2012
8:43 am

“I’m a white male and I can’t get a leg up….boo hooo hooo.” ”

Somebody give me a grant or a tax break or let’s go back to rigging the game in our favor.”

“Can someone please help a white man out?????”

(ir)Rational

March 20th, 2012
8:44 am

Jay – Just out of curiosity, and for the sake of intellectual honesty, how are those calculations run? Are they done the same way the CBO does theirs? Cause if it is, we know that they aren’t allowed to project what the reactions might be to the taxes. They have to do the calculations as if everything besides the tax rates stay the same. So yeah, on the face of it, lower taxes, during a recession will produce lower numbers. But lower taxes typically also produce more spending, which is weird, cause it seems like more spending might produce more jobs, which would create more taxable income. But I guess I’m just unable to accept your reality by knowing how the calculations and models are done.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 20th, 2012
8:47 am

But lower taxes typically also produce more spending, which is weird, cause it seems like more spending might produce more jobs, which would create more taxable income.

Trickle-on logic.

Supply-side alchemy had an expiration date. Thirty years after the fact has proven it to be disastrous.

Bud Wiser

March 20th, 2012
8:47 am

However, before I shut down, I submit this:

Jay

March 20th, 2012
8:36 am
“Do you really think Republicans would produce a plan that does not increase revenues? You know they would not, so knock off the junk.”

JohnnyReb, according to the Tax Policy Center, the tax “reform” plans of all three major GOP candidates for president would substantially reduce revenues and add a trillion dollars or more to the debt over a 10-year period. That’s the reality that you clearly cannot bring yourself to accept.

So how about accepting the most massive debt increase in history Bookman, $5TRILLION + from Obama? Accepting that bit of reality are you now?

And UpChuck, I am sure he was referring to income taxes, and if not, then I am now. Grow up, you know the intent, because even if you claim ignorance, I can assure you that we will all most readily know THAT is true.

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
8:49 am

The only plan I’ve seen from Ryan is the one that guarantees that his tax cuts will pay for themselves once the unemployment rate drops to 2.8%. Other than that, all it does is give the wealthiest more bigger tax cuts while wiping out Medicare to fund the cuts and increasing the debt in the process. Perhaps dear JohnnyReb has some details he’d like to share with us that show something different.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 20th, 2012
8:49 am

“You dimwittocrats “…and then I stopped reading. Why does one think that debate means insults? Why is civility apparently dead with the “Grand” Old Party followers?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 20th, 2012
8:50 am

Grow up, you know the intent, because even if you claim ignorance…

The “intent” is to use linguistics to push a false meme, sport.

kayaker 71

March 20th, 2012
8:51 am

AmVet,

You knucklehead. Jew is not a racist label. What else would you call them? That’s being anti Semitic? A Jew is someone who practices Judaism……. nothing more.

Paul

March 20th, 2012
8:51 am

Bud Wiser

Your post in no way addresses that Republican candidates’ budget plans decrease revenue and increase the debt. Citing Pres Obama’s deficit numbers is irrelevant.

It’s like somebody telling you you’re slicing and your response is to talk about their bowling scores.

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
8:52 am

Now if I can just lay off the beers during the round……………

What the hell are you thinking?!

I cannot begin to tell you how many beers, cigars, gold towels and even a couple of clubs I’ve lost while ruining a great walk!

Don’t do anything desperate. Just try to limit yourself to a couple on the first nine and then go for it on the back!

Paul

March 20th, 2012
8:53 am

Normal

“Why does one think that debate means insults?”

Because when they’ve lost the debate, they get frustrated and use insults.

It’s the adult version of temper tantrums.

JohnnyReb

March 20th, 2012
8:54 am

“Supply-side alchemy had an expiration date. Thirty years after the fact has proven it to be disastrous.”

Yea, it’s been a real disaster alright. We are the most successful economy the world has known. Our so-called poor people have flatscreen TV’s, free cell phones, and food stamps. They don’t have to go through the garbage pile to eat. But because the cry-babies are envious of people with more, we should move to socialism? Patheitc.

Talking Head

March 20th, 2012
8:55 am

I fail to see how cutting taxes for everyone is ‘class warfare’.

“the Republicans also claim that the debt is so massive …” Actually the debt is massive, for only the second time in our history our debt is at least 100% of GDP. Mr Obama has added more to the national debt than Bush did in 8 years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

Raising taxes with this economy and the high unemployment will only make the economy worse off. We have create a more business friendly evnironment so that more people will be employed, and more people will be paying taxes. Absolutely lower the corporate tax rate, invite investment in the US.

jconservative

March 20th, 2012
8:55 am

Just like in the state of Georgia, Republicans want to play around with the tax system and ignore the spending side. We have been playing around with taxes for 31 years and have a $16 trillion national debt to show for it.

I vote for reducing spending and cutting the size of government before doing anything on taxes.

kayaker 71

March 20th, 2012
8:56 am

Finn, 8:41,

Read the NYT? It’s explained there.

Peadawg

March 20th, 2012
8:56 am

“Oh no, not the “people who don’t pay taxes” false theme! All together now: EVERYONE pays taxes! – Oh good grief, you know what he meant.

JamVet

March 20th, 2012
8:57 am

71, that yoy lump them in there with the rest of your imagined bogeymen and loathed would-be miscreants is the point.

No worries, I wear it as a badge of honor. If, as an MOT, I was NOT in one of your lists, I’d be worried!

BTW, given what you just wrote, is it any wonder at all why American Jews almost always vote overwhelmingly against you Republicans?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 20th, 2012
8:58 am

Yea, it’s been a real disaster alright. We are the most successful economy the world has known.

An economy based on secured and unsecured debt fueled by cheap money.

Thirty years of “greed is good” and now it’s time to pay off those debts and interest with low paying jobs.

Guaranteed servitude.

Paul

March 20th, 2012
8:59 am

JohnnyReb

What’s the difference between a poor person and a so-called poor person?

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
8:59 am

I see JohnnyReb chooses to divert with a rant about how good poor people have it in his mind rather than share Paul Ryan’s Tax Cutting our way to No Debt plan.

Butch Cassidy

March 20th, 2012
9:01 am

Talking Head – “Absolutely lower the corporate tax rate, invite investment in the US.”

How low do you think the taxes will need to be to offset the losses from paying an employee $12.00 a week overseas to paying an employee $12.00 an hour here in the U.S.? Just curious.

TaxPayer

March 20th, 2012
9:01 am

Apple says their business tax environment is very friendly. 100 billion friendly.

(ir)Rational

March 20th, 2012
9:01 am

Kam – What exactly would you suggest? Tax them at a rate somewhere north of 50% and leave them with much less money to spend? Where would that leave your tax rates and mine? If the top bracket goes to 50%, what are they going to do with the lower brackets? I’m way too much of a realist to think they’ll either leave them alone or lower them. Also, I have no idea how I would pay my taxes if they started taking more. So yeah, if a plan is introduced that is going to lower my taxes, I’m all for it. But I would love to hear a rational, well reasoned solution from someone with a different idea as to what the best solution would be.