The heartlessness of Ga. anti-abortion bill
NOTE: This is published as the electronic version of today’s AJC column. Portions of this post have appeared earlier on this blog.
Imagine being a happily pregnant couple, 20 weeks along, when things go tragically amiss. Tests reveal that if carried to term, your child will be born without a skull, or perhaps without functioning lungs, which means that upon birth it will begin to die immediately of asphyxiation, with no hope of saving it.
Do you continue the pregnancy, knowing that the child has no chance of survival and that in many cases its “life” will at best consist of a few short hours of intense agony? Or do you end the pregnancy in the best interests of all involved, including that of the doomed fetus?
Some parents, drawing upon their faith and moral precepts, will continue the pregnancy to its tragic end. Others, drawing on their own equally sincere principles, will intervene. It is not a choice that any of us would want to make, and under House Bill 954, approved this week by a House committee, we would not have to. Because if the bill passes, as seems likely, Georgia legislators will have made that decision for every mother in the state.
Under the bill, the legal window in which abortions can be performed in Georgia would shrink from 26 to 20 weeks. Supporters justify the change by claiming that after 20 weeks, fetuses are capable of feeling pain and thus need to be protected, regardless of viability.
There are two major problems here:
1. That legislative threshold of 20 weeks contradicts the overwhelming consensus of the scientific and medical community, which holds that as a fetus develops, the neural connections needed to feel pain do not occur until 28 or 29 weeks. The pain argument is being used to advance an agenda, not to respond to science.
2. The change will do nothing to affect the vast majority of abortions, which is the real target of its sponsors. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 89 percent of abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, long before the proposed law would take effect.
Many of the small fraction of abortions that occur after the proposed 20-week deadline involve what are called “medically futile pregnancies” such as those described above.
As a prominent Atlanta obstetrician told me this week, consider a woman who at 20 weeks discovers that her fetus suffers from anencephaly, which means it’s missing part of its head. The goal of his practice is to see high-risk pregnancies through to a healthy, successful live birth, but sometimes that just isn’t possible.
“The fetus has no skull,” he explained. “I don’t think many of us walk around without a skull. It is not going to survive no matter what you do. We tell the mother what we found, and we let her go through full counseling, grief counseling. And at the end of that, we give her the option of carrying that pregnancy or not.”
Under HB 954, that option would no longer be available.
That fetus will be carried to full term, under the false excuse of sparing it pain, and the result will be a baby “condemned to writhe in agony” as it dies shortly after birth.
(As a condition of the interview, the doctor asked not to be named. He has been advised not to speak publicly out of fear for his personal safety and threats of economic boycott.)
The bill is also certain to force abortions that otherwise will not have occurred, he said.
“I saw a couple at 21 or 22 weeks. They didn’t have health insurance until then because he was transferring jobs, so they hadn’t had the screening. When they came to see me, they were distraught. The fetus had a heart defect, what turned out to have been a fixable heart defect. But we didn’t know that for sure. We had to go through amniocentesis, which takes a week. That brings us up to 22 and a half weeks. Then we had to counsel this family and convince them that this heart defect was fixable. Because we had the time, we were able to walk them through the process and they didn’t terminate.
“If I had seen them at 19 weeks and four days, and this new law gave them just three days to decide, they would have terminated that pregnancy. We told the Legislature that, but these legislators think that’s not going to happen.
“It’s going to happen.”
In more than five hours of hearings this month, legislators have been made aware of these consequences, but they made no substantive changes to the bill.
“From my standpoint, if they wanted to cut off elective terminations — the woman who just decides at 22 weeks, I don’t want this baby — I could live with that,” the doctor told me. “But let the woman who has a complication make rational decisions.”
– Jay Bookman
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0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:20 am
“It’s going to happen.”
………….. and what will happen less is babies won’t die who have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them.
josef
February 29th, 2012
11:21 am
IMAM
Spoil sport! There we were downstairs happily and cheerfully crossing political and social lines in peace and harmony discussing barbecue and here you come, stirring up the sh*t! You just don’t want us to get along, do you?
USinUK
February 29th, 2012
11:24 am
Scout – “………….. and what will happen less is babies won’t die who have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them.”
1) grammatically, it’s fewer, not less – fewer is number, less is mass.
2) less than 10% of abortions are done after the first trimester – and the majority of that 10% are done in the 4th month (for people who can’t get the funds together or can’t physically get to a clinic) – the reminder are done because of medical reasons – not capriciously.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
11:26 am
HB 954= Arrogent men who think they know better than God. One day you will learn that you cannot legislate God’s word.
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Q: Why did some of the Angels rebel with Lucifer against God?
A: The pride of the Angels made them believe that they were equal to God and that they didn’t have to stay in their assigned places and roles so they tried to put themselves above God.
0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:27 am
UK:
You forgot the “heartlessness” of using suction to tear apart a perfectly normal and healthy child in the womb.
Adam
February 29th, 2012
11:27 am
FIFTH! (And now, back to the shadows…..)
Call it like it is
February 29th, 2012
11:27 am
Jay is there anything out there in regards to how many abortions happen a month, how many have nothing to do with medical, the young couple just doesnt want the child? Instead of taking the time to apply a $2.00 condom, they now have an abortion. Dont get me wrong I dont want or need the govt telling woman what to do in regards to the female body, but I would be interested if its out there and who and why they are having an abortion.
0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:28 am
UK:
Less is mass? Then I am correct ……….. less “mass” of baby body parts in the garbage cans outside the clinic.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
11:29 am
………….. and what will happen less is babies won’t die who have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them.
Just because you make something illegal doesn’t mean people wont do it.
Drugs are illegal. How is that working out ?
They will just use a clothes hanger or dump them in a dumpster.
Real nice.
0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:29 am
Call it like it is:
Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
February 29th, 2012
11:29 am
Enter your comments here
USinUK
February 29th, 2012
11:30 am
Scout – “You forgot the “heartlessness” of using suction to tear apart a perfectly normal and healthy child in the womb.”
the word you’re looking for is FETUS, not child.
and secondly – you prefer forced pregnancy??? heck, why not return to the days when women weren’t counted as fully functioning members of society, as well – no voting rights, no land-owner rights, etc.
0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:30 am
Ernest T. Bass :
And because of that there would be “fewer” abortions.
0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:31 am
UK:
1) Agree to disagree.
2) Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?
Road Scholar
February 29th, 2012
11:31 am
“I don’t think many of us walk around without a skull.”
Many here expose that they don’t have a brain!
Since the state is ” forcing” the issue, does that mean they are complicent in paying for the care of the baby?
God gave us a free will. When will Christians admit that….in addition to their brushing off other sins…adultry, lieing, cheating…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
February 29th, 2012
11:32 am
The GOP…wanting a government small enough to fit in a uterus.
Heartless and disgusting.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
11:32 am
off topic, but I can’t let this go from downstairs:
Jay–Your opinion of the Republicans as a far-left journalist has been noted
Bruno, cite examples of where Jay’s takes on the issues of the day are “far-left”.
I’ve asked several conservative regulars here for similar backup and NEVER receive an answer. I figure maybe you’re in another category, however.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
11:32 am
You can make abortion illegal tomorrow and it wont stop one abortion.
It will just push it into the back alleys
At least with clinics mothers can be counseled on adoption etc.
People who are set on making abortion illegal are well intentioned.
They just don’t really think it all the way through.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
11:33 am
Scout
“Albert: [discussing abortion] Why not kill the mother? Oh, I know what you’re going to say. “If you kill the mother, the fetus dies, too.” But the fetus is going to be aborted anyway, so why not let it go down with the ship?
Val: You’ll have to excuse my mother. She’s just taking things to their logical, yet absurd, conclusion.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
11:33 am
And because of that there would be “fewer” abortions.
umm no
ty webb
February 29th, 2012
11:34 am
“Enter your comments here”
Hands down, the most insightful post by “Granny”, ever.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
11:35 am
I am blessed with options and choices. If such a circumstance were to occur and my wife decided to abort, we would get in the car and drive to a different state.
Problem solved.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
11:36 am
Under HB 954, that option would no longer be available.
because so-called “pro-lifers” are almost uniformly psychopaths; at the moment, they are able to effect their sick agenda against innocent women and men.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
11:36 am
ty webb
February 29th, 2012
11:34 am
Ty, A very old and tired joke…you can do better…
USinUK
February 29th, 2012
11:36 am
“Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?”
you and I have danced this polka before.
the founding fathers specifically spelled out that the draft is not only legal, it’s part of how this country was founded.
funny – abortion wasn’t mentioned (and if you think that abortions weren’t performed in the 1700s, you’re mighty naive)
Road Scholar
February 29th, 2012
11:38 am
What is also disturbing is that a doctor is afraid to be outed because of the anger and possible violence against him for following the law, his license, and his beliefs. Remember the abortion doctor murders that have occured in the Florida panhandle? Really religeous people who have no problem with murdering doctors and grown people. And don’t give me the grown ones have committed crimes… They are still “people”.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
11:39 am
In more than five hours of hearings this month, legislators have been made aware of these consequences, but they made no substantive changes to the bill.
I’m surprised they listened that long. Their minds were already made up.
Why would Republicans go and start listening to experts and doctors anyway ?
Thats just crazy science talk. The bible is what must be followed.
.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
11:40 am
Scout
“Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?”
We’ve been over this before, in depth, so this is more a rhetorical question for other readers:
“do you think a third party, man or a woman, should be able to say to a baby, ‘you die’? ”
If life begins at conception, then man’s intervention to end that life for any reason is morally untenable.
And this bill, by so-called Right to Life advocates, is hypocritical in the extreme. Because they are still legalizing killing.
0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:40 am
UK:
You dodge. Is is right for the government to controll a man’s body.
Why can the government do that but not control a woman’s body ?
You are being inconsistent and 20,000 draftees on the Vietnam Wall are looking at you.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
11:42 am
People who are set on making abortion illegal are well intentioned.
Perhaps as many as 2 or 3 percent. Perhaps.
The rest are just sick, and ALL completely ignorant of sound public policy on the issue.
ty webb
February 29th, 2012
11:42 am
Oh goody, another “conversation” between Jay, and someone not willing to go on the record (talk about conviction)…Did ya’ll conduct this strategy sessio-um-interview at that “restauranteer”s place who was bemoaning the fact that he no longer gets away with paying slave wages to illegals?
USinUK
February 29th, 2012
11:43 am
Scout – “You dodge. Is is right for the government to controll a man’s body.”
no dodge – have had this discussion with you before – AD NAUSEUM – not getting sucked into it again.
you know my position.
if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.
0311/1811
February 29th, 2012
11:45 am
Paul:
Slavery didn’t end overnight even with the Civil War. It’s ramifications
continue to this day.
It has been a long process as this abortion question will.
We look back now on “good people” of that era and ask, “How could they have
embraced the horrors of slavery.”
I believe people in the future will look back at “us” one day and say, “How could
“good people” have embraced the horrors of abortion.”
The battle continues …………… got to run.
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
11:45 am
No reason to change anything. The GOP tampers and causes problems, while solving few on the service and spending issues. Their track record is poor at best. To support them with their credibility problems would rub off on their supporters.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
11:46 am
someone not willing to go on the record (talk about conviction)…
Yeah, imagine, someone who doesn’t want to be shot while ushering at church, or have his staff gunned down in cold blood, or his patients harassed.
I’ll say it again–in the “culture wars”, the body count is entirely on the side of the rational, and NOBODY from the psychopathic right wing has paid that ultimate price.
Aquagirl
February 29th, 2012
11:46 am
Is is right for the government to controll a man’s body. Why can the government do that but not control a woman’s body?
Because a draft is supposedly done when there is a compelling interest for all citizens and our national security is at stake. Anti-abortion freaks are simply being busybodies.
As for those 20,000 draftees on the Vietnam Wall, I feel no more guilt over them than I do for the draftees in the Civil War, I didn’t elect or support the dumb @$$hats who hung them out to dry. If you have issues with your tacit participation in a senseless war that got them killed, please keep your guilty conscience off of my body.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Smaller Government FAIL.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Nothing surprises me with the Party of Fools.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Just out of curiousity; Is there ANYONE here who doesn’t know the “position” of any of the other regular posters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0mQeLWCCo&feature=related
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
11:49 am
While Scout whines about “control” of a man’s body [ignoring the fact future drafts will also include women's bodies], he proclaims the righteousness of the death penalty…. the problem with “absolutes” is they almost always end up catching you in the dead end of a failed argument.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
11:50 am
It has been a long process as this abortion question will.
You will never re-criminalize abortion in America. Never.
Pockets of right wing a-holism will continue to push and prod and weaken existing protection of reproductive rights, but you will NEVER pass the constitutional amendment required to ban elective terminations of pregnancy throughout this country.
And those who blithely stay “leave it up to the states” aren’t thinking through just how horrific an actual ban in ANY state would really be. No RU-486? Really? You’re going to monitor that? You’re going to prosecute anyone transporting such material with accessory to murder?
na. gone. duit.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
11:51 am
Scout
Gotta Run?!!? Wait!!!
As I said, we’ve had this discussion before, and when I asked you by what moral authority, in a situation where both the mother’s and baby’s life is in danger and one but not the other may survive, your response was
Kill the baby because it’s self defense for the mother.
Unless you care to modify that position, Scout, it’s evident to all why you divert and skirt about rather than address specific, core principles.
Because your grand belief system collapses under its own inherent contradictions.
And the same applies to the rest of the “life begins at conception but we’ll still kill the kid for the following reasons….” crowd.
josef
February 29th, 2012
11:51 am
FRED
@ 11:49
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
11:53 am
“They didn’t have health insurance until then because he was transferring jobs, so they hadn’t had the screening.” – So why’d they get pregnant?
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
11:56 am
“So why’d they get pregnant?”
They did it deliberately…just to annoy you.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
11:56 am
The Pro life boys and girls equate pro fetus with pro life and go no further. Pro life means just that, “For Life”. No war, no death penalty, good health system, good educational system, ways and means to promote good loving households…all those things needed to make our society a good one with all in it a boon to that society. I just don’t understand how the “pro lifer’s” just don’t get it and why they are willing to stop caring after a child is born. Even the Chinese don’t do that.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
11:57 am
” The change will do nothing to affect the vast majority of abortions, which is the real target of its sponsors. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 89 percent of abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, long before the proposed law would take effect.”
They’re just trying to get a little bit at a time
.
Mighty Righty
February 29th, 2012
11:57 am
I agree with Jay. The government should not be involved in what is simply a medical question. Let medical professionals make medical decisions along with the patient and restrict government officials to governmental decisions. This should be easy to understand for Republicans as well as Democrats. Obamacare should be viewed in exactly the same light as abortion. The government has no business involved in healthcare.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
11:58 am
“They did it deliberately…just to annoy you.”
If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
11:58 am
Pro life means just that, “For Life”.
it sounds pretty, and that’s why so many Americans self-identify as such. But if you drill down a little bit you find that a vast majority favor elective abortion’s continued legality, and have for decades.
http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
11:59 am
“The government has no business involved in healthcare”
There’s no way to get them out. Who do you think licenses things like doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics, etc?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
11:59 am
Normal, you mean….pro life ends once they leave the V-jay jay and after that, you’re on your own….and by the way, if you are not of the religion we like and we think your religion bad, we are all for your death….. why, that would be just shocking, shocking I tell you.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:00 pm
“If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible.”
Since neither of us knows ANY of the details about WHY they were between jobs, YOU are just using them to think you are “holier” than they are.
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
12:00 pm
What ole “numbers” don’t understand is it is not for him to worry about, the court has made it clear whose business it is.
getalife
February 29th, 2012
12:00 pm
The gop know they are going to lose so abortion is their last action.
philosopher
February 29th, 2012
12:01 pm
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
11:53 am
Absolutely amazing! Life 101 :
People have a right to get pregnant…without your opinion, your, judgment, or your agreement.
People get pregnant because they want to have children, their birth control failed, they chose not to use birth control…or any other reason.
Pregnancy last 9 (nine) months. plenty of time to lose a job, get laid off, need to move, need to transfer, get fired, find something better….or just have absolutely enough of present working conditions.
Final point:: It’s none of your d#@N$ business why anyone gets pregnant!!!!
Normal
February 29th, 2012
12:01 pm
I bet these “pro Life” people, as kids, poured salt on slugs, just to watch them melt and writhe in agony…
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
12:02 pm
If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible
While Pea proclaims celibacy and stays inside a secure cell just in case of rape…. I sure hope Brosephus has ordered a lot of his new checks.
ty webb
February 29th, 2012
12:02 pm
okay, uninsured couples are only to engage in oral and anal sex…can I get a “mandate”…I mean an “amen”?
Aquagirl
February 29th, 2012
12:03 pm
So why’d they get pregnant?
You don’t know why a woman gets pregnant? You seem a little old for “the talk” but I’m sure someone here can help you out.
USinUK
February 29th, 2012
12:03 pm
“If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible.”
yes.
because EVERY form of birth control is 100% foolproof
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:05 pm
“because EVERY form of birth control is 100% foolproof”
And even complete abstinence appears not to be so foolproof…if Mary is any example!
carlosgvv
February 29th, 2012
12:05 pm
Jay, religious true beleivers have no concept of “heartlessness” except for those things they believe from whatever faith they subscribe to. In this case, it is the New Testament, a selection of books whose true authorship is unknown and unknowable. These people believe in God because they have faith and because they believe that faith comes from God. It is impossible to reason with this kind of mindlessness. Unfortunately, the GOP knows the vast majority of their supporters are truly this simple and this is why they keep pushing these kinds of bills.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
12:06 pm
Figured I’d get drilled on the personal responsibility/common freakin’ sense comment.
Coming from Democrats…not surprised.
Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance.
Mighty Righty
February 29th, 2012
12:07 pm
As a Republican, I can say I really don’t know any Republicans that have a problem with abortion so long as it is not used as a contraceptive. I know there are probably a few who think it is a big deal like a few Democrats favor any rpogram that will get them some free government money. But, they are not a majority.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
“Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance”
The very definition of hearlessness…the inability to see any point of view but their own.
USinUK
February 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
“Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance.”
1) you don’t know that they were without job / insurance when they GOT pregnant (only when they were supposed to have the scan)
so
2) get the eff off your high frickin horse – it makes you sound like a complete dick. particularly given your age and experience.
getalife
February 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
“David Dreier Retirement: California Congressman Will Not Run For Re-Election ”
More retirements please.
scrappy
February 29th, 2012
12:09 pm
If a woman is forced to carry to term a pregnancy that is doomed & that she had wanted to end, and then dies as a result – can we charge the GA assembly with negligent homicide?
This bill is appalling. GOP – STAY OUT OF MY UTERUS!!!!
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
12:09 pm
The gov’t is in the health care business, its a great program call medicare, a program working people pay into and deserve benifits. A program that has been damaged by overcharges, fraud and greed. In order to forefill their obligations, the gov’t has to have a say in health care, not to mention a country has a moral obligation to protect the citizens. Nothing wrong with social programs, especially the ones pay for by the benificiararies. The ones that get in cheap, I guess those are the folks the greedy complain about.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:10 pm
“If a woman is forced to carry to term a pregnancy”
you know, it’s not REALLY about forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term…how would they even go about DOING that? It’s ALL about being able to punish the woman for making a choice they don’t like.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
12:11 pm
Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance.
Dont be sorry. We all understand what we are dealing with when talking to someone like you.
How do you know that ? Maybe they got pregnant while he still had a job.
It might astound you but Ill bet somewhere in this country someone has gotten pregnant and then a few months later lost their job.
mm
February 29th, 2012
12:12 pm
The GOP is determined to lose their majorities across the country.
They want government out of our lives. Unless they are the intruders.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:14 pm
“They want government out of our lives. Unless they are the intruders”
Or to be more accurate, they want government out of THEIR LIVES, but IN yours and mine.
tipster
February 29th, 2012
12:17 pm
Peadawg – I agree that it is irresponsible for someone who is between jobs and without insurance to intentionally try to get pregnant, or not use contraception. But what about when the contraception fails? Think contraception is 100% failproof? My first child was the result of failed contraception. I was, and still am, married, but we had not planned on having children so soon after our wedding. I also have a neice that was unplanned due to failed contraception. It happens. But irresponsible or not, we are in a free country, and that is their choice. Besides, the story doesn’t state that it was planned, it may have been a failure of contraception as well.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
12:18 pm
As a Republican, I can say I really don’t know any Republicans that have a problem with abortion so long as it is not used as a contraceptive
{Golf clap]…. you’re ability to type while your head is stuck deep in the sand is simply amazing!
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
“{Golf clap]…. you’re ability to type while your head is stuck deep in the sand is simply amazing!”
See, you just GOT to learn how to interpret Republispeak. He may not actually KNOW any Republicans, etc…but he certainly DOES know OF lots of them. He’s been here long enough to have seen the opinions posted.
getalife
February 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
Attacking women and unions are the outcome of the 10 election.
It ends after the 12 cycle.
philosopher
February 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
Peadawg- Can you read? Or are you just that proud of the list of arrogant, ignorant assumptions you made? Tuck tail and go hide, please.
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
12:23 pm
Voting to outlaw abortion is imposing your morals and religious values on someone else, and I thought cons were against doing that.
Or, is it they are only against other people imposing their religious values on them.
LaTanya
February 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
It’s more than a little hypocritical for our (mostly Republican) legislators to rail about things like ObamaCare that they consider overly intrusive at the same time they’re trying to dictate childbirth requirements to women. Hopefully the non-crazies will prevail and HB954 will go nowhere.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
“Or, is it they are only against other people imposing their religious values on them”
See my comment on government, it applies to religion as well
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
12:26 pm
“Tuck tail and go hide, please.” – I’m right here, punkin. I’m just eatin’ and reading the comments.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:28 pm
” I’m just eatin’ and reading the comments.”
And making comments as well.
Regressive Fantasyland
February 29th, 2012
12:29 pm
Regressives would have you believe there’s a coordinated effort out there to impregnate women for the sole purpose of having an abortion. Next, regressives are probably going to tell us that if you cut taxes on the rich, revenues will increase and magically trickle down to the masses. Oh, wait. Never mind,
Regressive Fantasyland
February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm
Oscar – Regressives are against government control. Except when they aren’t. Get it? (If not, don’t worry – consistency isn’t a regressive strong suit.)
scrappy
February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm
“Hopefully the non-crazies will prevail and HB954 will go nowhere.”
You do realize we are talking about the GA legislators? The non-crazies are soundly outnumbered.
If I were a gambler (and I’m not) I would bet my paycheck this not only passes, but flies right through into law.
Aquagirl
February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm
I agree that it is irresponsible for someone who is between jobs and without insurance to intentionally try to get pregnant
The guy was transferring jobs, why is everyone assuming he was unemployed? Many employers have a waiting period before insurance kicks in.
Damn, y’all just can’t wait to judge someone, can you? It’s like watching kids tear into a quart of ice cream.
Regressive Fantasyland
February 29th, 2012
12:32 pm
Aquagirl – Dontcha know? Lib’rals just wanna eat government cake, have fun, get pregnant, abort, rinse, and repeat.
Tommy Maddox
February 29th, 2012
12:32 pm
I sent a note to my Rep wanting to get a little more info on the Bill. I’d imagine there are some types of “outs” that would provide for a later term procedure – but I’ll report back…
Mr_B
February 29th, 2012
12:33 pm
Let me relate a true story.
A young woman of my aquaintance had recently given birth to her fourth child. The pregnancy wasn’t planned, but it wasn’t unwelcome. During the birth, the young lady’s blood pressure spiked to the point where her doctor feared that she might have a stroke. The baby was fine, but the doctor said that further pregnancies were a very bad idea.
To make sure they wouldn’t have any more kids, the couple decided that a vasectomy was the most cost-effective and surest means of birth control. They waited a month following the proceedures and resumed a normal sex life. Three weeks later they got a letter from a pathology lab stateing that the vasectomy may not have been successful. Too late. The couple was faced with a pregnancy that they could not afford, and was potentially life threatening. After a period of emotional distress they finally agreed to end the pregnancy, but the mother has carried a sense of guilt about it for the rest of her life.
Who was “irresponsible” in this case?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
12:33 pm
I’m just eatin’ and reading the comments
Well perhaps that explains how your responses are being processed…. if you are eating the comments and then “finding” your response in the passing.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
12:34 pm
Keep @ 12:33
That was a sorry attempt at a joke, dude. Seriously.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm
“Who was “irresponsible” in this case?”
I’ll tell you one person (or group of people) who are…those who are allowing her to go through life with that sense of guilt. EVERYone who loves and supports her should encourage her to get counseling. There is NO REASON for her to feel ANY guilt. Regret, maybe…but not guilt.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm
In more than five hours of hearings this month, legislators have been made aware of these consequences, but they made no substantive changes to the bill.
Abortion, the “go to” wedge issue in what appears to be an election year filled with desperation for Republicans.
AmVet
February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm
As a Republican, I can say I really don’t know any Republicans that have a problem with abortion so long as it is not used as a contraceptive.
HUH?????????????
Read this blog. There are several dead red Republicans here that hate that they can’t force women to live by their 1950s rules anymore.
i.e., they have a HUGE problem with any abortions. Ever. Under any circumstances.
Hell, but to prove how ludicrous they are, they can’t even keep their tens of thousands of Republican women from “murdering their babies” every year.
paulo977
February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm
“So why’d they get pregnant?”
_________________________________
VIAGRA ….did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
12:37 pm
No problem punkin Pea…. not nearly as sorry as your comments have been.
Talking Head
February 29th, 2012
12:37 pm
“From my standpoint, if they wanted to cut off elective terminations — the woman who just decides at 22 weeks, I don’t want this baby — I could live with that,” the doctor told me. “But let the woman who has a complication make rational decisions.”
Yup
Gale
February 29th, 2012
12:38 pm
Am I the only one that thinks this is just a plan to get people thinking about something other than ethics at the sate house?
Aquagirl
February 29th, 2012
12:39 pm
Who was “irresponsible” in this case?
Marxist-lib’rul DEMONCRATS. And Obama, of course.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
12:41 pm
“Marxist-lib’rul DEMONCRATS. And Obama, of course.”
What does Obama have to do with anything in this article?
Rick
February 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
“From my standpoint, if they wanted to cut off elective terminations — the woman who just decides at 22 weeks, I don’t want this baby — I could live with that,” the doctor told me. “But let the woman who has a complication make rational decisions.”
Seriously if they want a bill like this, why can they not just do this scenario? Or increase it to 28 or 29 weeks if they want to use the pain argument. It’s such a joke that our legislature is wasting time with bills like this and free In God We Trust stickers on license plates while ethics reform gets thrown aside.
Rockerbabe
February 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
60% of all abortions are procurred by women who have at least one child; they know exactly what they are doing.
85% of all abortions take place before the 12th week of pregnancy. The rest are 2nd and 3rd trimester abortion done usually for medical issues.
15% of all pregnancies carried past the 20th week of gestation end up as miscarriages or stillbirths; this varies slightly depending on the population of women studied. These figures have held for 30+ years.
NONE of this pregnancy business, is the business of an member of the GA legislature. They have proven over and over again, that when it comes to women and their needs, the GA legislature has women and their families on the back burner.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
From below:
I’d like to hear yours of Obama (if you can be objective).
Fred–I don’t have a lot of time to develop an in-depth essay right now, but here are a few thoughts off the top of my head:
For starters, I think Obama walked into one of the worst situations any recent President faced. The economy was in the tank, and likely would have grown worse no matter who was in office. However, I believe that his response–to simply throw enormous amounts of money at the problem–has set us back even farther, much farther. Certainly he was under a lot of pressure to act, but sometimes the best course of action is to take no action at all and allow things to right themselves.
In terms of the specific legislation that he and the Dems forced upon us the first two years, definite overreach at every turn. While a few unfair practices by the insurance companies needed to be addressed, forcing everyone to purchase over-priced health insurance isn’t going to bring down costs at all. Ditto for the banking/credit card legislation. All of the bills are loaded with “Unintended Consequences”, which I think points back to his lack of experience both legislatively and business-wise.
Finally, a large part of being a leader is promoting the morale of the troops. In this regard, I think Obama is an abject failure. Continually blaming the person before you does nothing to inspire people. Though the Lefties don’t notice so much because he’s constantly preaching to the choir, Obama comes across in a divisive way to the rest of us.
Just my opinion, of course……
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
12:44 pm
Everybody a THUG today….guess i might as well switch it up too.
getalife
February 29th, 2012
12:45 pm
The Americans held in Egypt are coming home.
North Korea suspends nuclear .
Hillary is ending her career with wins.
philosopher
February 29th, 2012
12:45 pm
Yup-
Let’s keep women pregnant and barefoot, in the kitchen “seeing to the men”. Let’s not do something “dangerous” like allowing higher education, and see if we can drive this country back to the 1800’s…preferably BEFORE the civil war. Yup- let’s keep the majority pregnant and stoopid so a few can live high on the hog without the riffraff questioning a perfectly agreeable way of life.
But, oops, too many folks are educated now, so that won’t work. Well, then, let’s use GOD as a weapon to keep those uppity women in their places..yup-that one just might work!
Talking Head
February 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
“Seriously if they want a bill like this, why can they not just do this scenario? Or increase it to 28 or 29 weeks if they want to use the pain argument. It’s such a joke that our legislature is wasting time with bills like this and free In God We Trust stickers on license plates while ethics reform gets thrown aside.”
Agreed. Almost every bill is originated by lobbyists, and these lobbyists shower gifts to our representatives and senators. I like the idea of ethics reform, however I feel that it’s not the real solution to the real problem. The real problem is that government and business are too intertwined with one another. This has resulted in the convoluted tax code and subsidies. When we start to address the overly complicated and inefficient tax code along with the government giving subsidies to some companies over the others, we will see real solutions.
St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia
February 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
They know EXACTLY what they’re doing trying to set it at 20 weeks-
sneaky craven pandering hypocritical bible thumping scum
well, i know one hosp administrator that is going to ignore this craven
pandering f-%^& bible thumper crap and adhere to the science, They
can just come get her. And boy do i pity them if they do, trust me.
Tommy Maddox
February 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
getalife – The North Korean Army is out of food again. This is an annual event.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
I believe that his response–to simply throw enormous amounts of money at the problem
I love how an ~800 billion dollar Recovery Act, brought to bear upon a 14.5 trillion dollar economy on the verge of collapse, becomes an “enormous amount of money”.
Is there any scenario in your mind that would have a President McCain NOT allocating funds on a similar scale–whether to capitalize specific projects or simply in the form of tax cuts and credits, in or around early 2009?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) indicated that he is likely to sign the state’s sweeping anti-abortion bill, which includes a provision that would allow doctors to withhold information from patients. Brownback, speaking … following the National Governors Association meeting, said that while he has not read the 69-page bill, he is likely to sign the proposal since he opposes abortion rights.
Well I guess Nancy was wrong….even if they have the bill to know what the last version finally says, you cannot force them to actually read it before they determine their likely action.
Oh, dang, I forgot… Mighty Righty, don’t read this…it might actually challenge what you “know to be true” despite this evidence [and plenty of other evidence] to the contrary.
Tommy Maddox
February 29th, 2012
12:53 pm
Oh – and the Egyptian Army wants it’s annual $1 Bil installment.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
T Maddox — “The North Korean Army is out of food again. This is an annual event.”
They can smell the thousands of MREs being opened each day across the border now that Team Spirit is under way.
Bernie
February 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen this Law is brought you by the Republican Party. The Party that professes undying alligence to smaller and less intrusive government, Freedom and the pursuit of happpiness.
Disclaimer : Excluding all minorities, gays & lesbians and those of the female gender they do not count nor are they welcome.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
1:04 pm
JOE COOL: welcome to Thugland.
Jm
February 29th, 2012
1:05 pm
Putting aside jay’s arguments, I see no need for this bill.
If fetus’s are protected in the third trimester, that seems very sensible to me.
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
1:07 pm
“JOE COOL: welcome to Thugland.”
Gracias…. who’s the next one to convert?
mm
February 29th, 2012
1:10 pm
You listen here Missy! You’re having that baby.
And after it’s born, I could care less about it.
Sincerely,
The GOP
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:18 pm
“And after it’s born, I could care less about it”
Until it gets old enough to send to a useless and unneccessary war, or two.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
“If I want your opinion, I’ll give it to you.” – Georgia GOP
Thomas
February 29th, 2012
1:23 pm
I am driving 95 MPH to save my asthmatic son……..
One of the prior Presidents started this politics by example paradigm- really a fool’s game
Jason
February 29th, 2012
1:24 pm
Problem is…You couldn’t live with that. The liberal view is not abortion only in the cases of complications. The liberal view is on-demand abortion…no justification.
If liberals could “live with that”; I believe we’d have a consensus on the topic rather quickly.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
1:24 pm
http://todayentertainment.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/29/10540912-monkees-star-davy-jones-dies-at-66
I really liked these guys..R.I.P. Davy
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:27 pm
“The liberal view is on-demand abortion…no justification.”
Ok, so how would YOU go about FORCING a woman to carry her pregnancy to term?
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:27 pm
Normal – I’m sorry to hear that too. I like them too.
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
1:28 pm
“The liberal view is not abortion only in the cases of complications. The liberal view is on-demand abortion…no justification.”
NOPE….it’s choice to do what ever the F you chose to do to YOUR body.
Regressive Fantasyland
February 29th, 2012
1:28 pm
Jason – the ‘liberal view’ is that people should be free to do with their bodies as they please; the moderate liberal view is also that sensible limits are ok; the extreme liberal view (ie, no limits at all) is held by very, very few. Fortunately for everyone, there are very, very few extreme liberals; unfortunately for everyone, there are very very few moderate conservatives; also unfortunate for everyone, there are very man retrograde wackjob regressives.
Regressive Fantasyland
February 29th, 2012
1:29 pm
oops – that shoulda been “very manY regtrograde wackjob regressives”
Regressive Fantasyland
February 29th, 2012
1:30 pm
Oh, and in terms of personal liberty, remember that one of the guys vying for the regressive party nomination also happens to hold extreme liberal views, as they relate to social and so-called moral issues.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
1:31 pm
Rockerbabe
February 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
60% of all abortions are procurred by women who have at least one child; they know exactly what they are doing.
______________________________
If they “know exactly what they are doing,” please explain how they got pregnant with a baby they don’t want?
mm
February 29th, 2012
1:31 pm
“The liberal view is on-demand abortion…no justification.:
Strange how wingnuts have convinced themselves they know what a liberal is thinking.
No wonder righties are impossible to compromise with. They hear voices in their heads.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
1:31 pm
Bottom line: What a woman does with her body is between her and God and nobody else…
Normal
February 29th, 2012
1:33 pm
mm,
“They hear voices in their heads.”
No…only echos ’cause their heads are mostly empty…
Regressive Fantasyland
February 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
Normal – that assumes the existence of god, in the first place, and that’s a huge assumption; really, the bottom line is this: what a woman does with her body (and a man with his), is between her or his ego and her or his id. That’s about it.
kayaker 71
February 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
Well, leave it to Bozo and he will kill them even after they are delivered at full term, just because some irresponsible young lady doesn’t want the baby…… that’s after a botched first try at getting rid of it. And that’s a 270 day old “fetus”. Listen to Bozo’s speech before the Illinois state senate when he backed a bill to do just that. The real sound clip leaves no doubt.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
Oh, and in terms of personal liberty, remember that one of the guys vying for the regressive party nomination also happens to hold extreme liberal views, as they relate to social and so-called moral issues.
you talking Ron Paul? Ron is fine with forcing women to carry all pregnancies to term. He claims that it’s a state’s rats issue, but he’s fine with individual states doing this.
MightyRighty
February 29th, 2012
1:35 pm
Republicans are opposed to PAYING for abortion for dimwits that can’t keep their panties on. Liberals know this but since they are unable to argue with common sense they lie about it. I repeat, the government has no business getting involved in health care. I know some of you couldn’t live without the government telling you what to do or protecting you from your own stupidity so you won,t have to actually use initiative and think for yourself which is why you are a Democrat.
carlosgvv
February 29th, 2012
1:36 pm
Normal – 1:31
Unfortunately, Republicans in Georgia are in charge of deciding what women should do as God has not bothered to show up and exert any say so in the matter.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
I must agree with Jay, the legislature is trying to put in place something that does not address convenience abortion and would make health related abortions unnecessarily more difficult.
Allow me to remind my Liberal friends the time for choice is before sex. Convenience abortions are wrong to the highest degree.
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
MightyRighty
February 29th, 2012
1:35 pm
Well since federal funds dont pay for abortions, whatcha B*tChInG about.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
Bruno, cite examples of where Jay’s takes on the issues of the day are “far-left”.
sfd–Just for you, I did a quick count of Jay’s column topics for the past two months. Excluding the FNM entries, Jay wrote 98 columns. 58 focused on either the Repub candidates, or the Republican Party in general. 57 were negative, one Romney column might be called positive. In the same time span, he wrote 11 positive articles about Obama, 21 articles supporting liberal causes, with 8 politically neutral columns.
So, you tell me what this represents??
God
February 29th, 2012
1:38 pm
I exist.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:39 pm
“If they “know exactly what they are doing,” please explain how they got pregnant with a baby they don’t want?”
and what gives you the “right” to judge them without knowing all the facts of their situation?
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
1:40 pm
Republican women must have it rough given that their men tell them what they can do with their bodies — just like the Taliban. Then again, maybe they like being owned, like property. Perhaps we’ll find out come election time, if they’re allowed out of the house to vote. I did hear about the wife of a Virginia Republican that denied her husband sex, not that they do that sort of thing though. At least not without telling themselves that they’re only doing it because they want to have another child. Otherwise, it would be so wrong.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
1:40 pm
So, you tell me what this represents??
The work of a political columnist. How is this “far left?” It sounds pretty moderate, i.e. center left, to me.
kayaker 71
February 29th, 2012
1:40 pm
Bozo is so concerned with every woman having government provided contraceptive devices or ones provided by some insurance company. Next it’ll be tooth brushes for those who want to prevent tooth decay. Seems like about 1.27M women, even when provided with some sort of free birth control device, are not using them. The best birth control device is a single aspirin….. placed firmly between the knees.
Thomas
February 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
Well said Jason-
Agreeing to compromise would destroy jobs for those who live for controversy- DC and the media would be reduced to “nothingness”
The devil
February 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
No you don’t
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
Doggone – the same right to judge murder is wrong, among them common sense, character, and morals.
Rockerbabe’s post did not distinguish a medically necessary abortion as opposed to others.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
If they “know exactly what they are doing,” please explain how they got pregnant with a baby they don’t want?
I ain’t touchin’ that one.
Jason
February 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
LIberals…No discipline, no morals, no ethics, ….No class.
The devil
February 29th, 2012
1:46 pm
kayaker – could it be that bozo’s concern is to stop the spread of regressives since the unfortunate reality is that poor whites (also known as an essntial part of the ‘base’) have a disproportionate number of pregnancies (in and out of wedlock), thereby further increasing their disproportionate usage of the safety net they claim to so abhor?
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
LIberals…No discipline, no morals, no ethics, ….No class.
Which means you lost the argument and are sulking. We’ll call you a waaaaahmbulance if you need one.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
The best birth control device is a single aspirin….. placed firmly between the knees.
Yep, that’s another way to end the Republican party but the way they’re going right now will do the job even faster.
The devil
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
i should add: “and to which they contribute disproportionately little”
Midori
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
Davy Jones just got on that Last Train to Clarksville
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUUSdvwEC_Y
mm
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
“Convenience abortions are wrong to the highest degree.”
Is “convenience abortions” the new talking point today?
Which was it righties, Fox News or Rush?
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
Becky? You still here?
jhunt163
February 29th, 2012
1:48 pm
And what about the irresponsible father if he does or does not want a child? Can he ask the woman to keep or abort? Does he have any rights other than being drug into court and forced to pay child support? I mean the biggest form of male contraception is a condom. A woman obviously knows if a man is using birth control, but it is not the same the other way around.
kayaker 71
February 29th, 2012
1:48 pm
The devil,
I think I got all of that after reading it a couple of times. Yeah, sounds pretty good to me.
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
1:49 pm
Jason
February 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
River+u+Jump
mm
February 29th, 2012
1:49 pm
“the unfortunate reality is that poor whites (also known as an essntial part of the ‘base’) have a disproportionate number of pregnancies (in and out of wedlock),”
The reality the right can’t seem to comprehend. Poor whies tend to vote GOP expecting that trickle down.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
1:49 pm
I mean the biggest form of male contraception is a condom.
Vasectomies are reversible. Just sayin’ that latex isn’t the only possible choice.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
1:49 pm
“Ethics! Did someone say ethics. OFF with his head!” – Ralston, the Dawg Food of Chumps.
Jimmy62
February 29th, 2012
1:50 pm
Deciding that when they can feel pain is when you can’t abort IS NOT SCIENCE! It’s an opinion. There’s no science involved in deciding that’s the point when life begins or whatever, it’s just your opinion, Jay, and you trying to pass it off as some scientific fact just shows how foolish and unscientific your thinking is.
You really only care about the science when it agrees with your opinion, same as most of us.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:50 pm
“Doggone – the same right to judge murder is wrong, among them common sense, character, and morals”
Nope, you don’t actually have that right either…without knowing all the circumstances. Murder is wrong, but not all killing are murder and without knowing the circumstances you could seriously MISJUDGE what happened.
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
1:50 pm
“LIberals…No discipline, no morals, no ethics, ….No class.”
Now thats funny….coming from the party that has a SERIAL ADULTERER running for President.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
1:50 pm
Bottom line: What a woman does with her body is between her and God and nobody else…
Normal–If it were only that simple, then we would have no need for restrictions on abortions. the bottom line is that there are two lives at stake when a woman gets pregnant. To deny human status to a developing fetus is a pretty callous, non-thinking approach.
Having said that, I’m with Jay and the rest of you in regards to this particular bill, if I’m understanding it correctly. Forcing a woman to carry a severely impaired child to term serves no one.
jhunt163
February 29th, 2012
1:51 pm
Vasectomies are reversible. Just sayin’ that latex isn’t the only possible choice.
That’s why I chose the word biggest and not only.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
1:51 pm
Righty — “Republicans are opposed to PAYING for abortion for dimwits that can’t keep their panties on.”
How do you feel about paying for lots of drinks for such ‘dimwits?’
“Liberals know this but since they are unable to argue with common sense they lie about it.”
I’m sure you don’t speak for all conservatives. Consequently, it might be *you* that’s lying about it.
“I repeat, the government has no business getting involved in health care.”
Is that why the GOP is pushing so hard to constrain and limit abortions?
“I know some of you couldn’t live without the government telling you what to do or protecting you from your own stupidity so you won,t have to actually use initiative and think for yourself which is why you are a Democrat.”
No, I’m a Democrat because I couldn’t stand being around Republican jerkazoids any longer. I was tired of being lectured about the sorts of things I was expected to say and do and believe, and I figured I could find a different group that wouldn’t be such fascists about everyone having to march in step.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
1:52 pm
Doggone – mighty weak, mighty weak.
God
February 29th, 2012
1:52 pm
The devil is bad.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:53 pm
“but it is not the same the other way around.”
If the man doesn’t want to cause a pregnancy, he should be SURE HIS form of birth control doesn’t fail.
If he WANTS a pregnancy and the resulting eventual child, he better be sure his partner is in agreement.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
1:53 pm
Bruno — “the bottom line is that there are two lives at stake when a woman gets pregnant. To deny human status to a developing fetus is a pretty callous, non-thinking approach. ”
I respect your *opinion,* but I do not share it.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
The work of a political columnist. How is this “far left?” It sounds pretty moderate, i.e. center left, to me.
So, sfd, moderate thought is now almost 100% anti-Republican and 100% positive for the Dems??
I would never deny you, or Jay, your right to your own opinion. But how about a little truth-in-advertising?? Do you not recognize how far Left your own viewpoint is?? Pretty scary to me if you think you, Jay or any of the other Libs here are anywhere close to the middle.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
Having said that, I’m with Jay and the rest of you in regards to this particular bill, if I’m understanding it correctly. Forcing a woman to carry a severely impaired child to term serves no one.
Exactly. That is such a clear and simple point of logic that there really is no room for debate.
But then again, people toss all thought and reason away whenever the dreaded “A-word” is mentioned.
Jimmy62
February 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
The Devil: Please show your stats about how poor whites have a disproportionate amount of children born out of wedlock. And as compared to whom? It is too bad that the culture, no matter your race, is convincing so many people to have children out of wedlock, when statistically if you graduate high school and get married before having a kid, your kid is very unlikely to be poor.
The devil
February 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
mm – lol; the only thing that’s trickling down to poor whites is the fecal matter that’s continually being launched from pretty much every regressive’s front-facing derrier
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
1:55 pm
mm
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
“Convenience abortions are wrong to the highest degree.”
Is “convenience abortions” the new talking point today?
Which was it righties, Fox News or Rush?
_____________________________________
Try JohnnyReb. Believe it or not, I do occasionally have an original thought
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
1:56 pm
I respect your *opinion,* but I do not share it.
Then take a crack at explaining yourself. By what perspective of biology can you deny that a child in utero is not human??
kayaker 71
February 29th, 2012
1:56 pm
Over 92% of abortions performed in this country , that is about 116M each year, are performed for societal reasons, ie birth control. That’s the population of a not so small city….. every year. Only 8% are performed, regardless of the age of the fetus, for rape, incest, harm to the mother, etc. Seems like there are a bucket load of people out there who just don’t really seem to care whether they kill a potential human being or not. As long as it is legal and they “are in control of their own bodies”, anything goes. That’s sick, people, plain and simple. Just plain friggin’ sick.
The devil
February 29th, 2012
1:56 pm
God – be careful or it’s extra furnace stoking duty for you tonite.
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
1:57 pm
“when statistically if you graduate high school and get married before having a kid, your kid is very unlikely to be poor.”
You read that in Good Housekeeping? lol
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:57 pm
“To deny human status to a developing fetus is a pretty callous, non-thinking approach”
You need to take that up with Mother Nature
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
1:58 pm
Midori
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
Davy Jones just got on that Last Train to Clarksville
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUUSdvwEC_Y
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Damn. Thanks for the heads up Midori.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
1:58 pm
“Republicans are opposed to PAYING for abortion for dimwits that can’t keep their panties on”
Better check your insurance policies then, because it’s quite likely you are ALREADY paying for them.
JOE COOL~THUGGin' On CONs
February 29th, 2012
1:58 pm
kayaker 71
February 29th, 2012
1:56 pm
Yep…your body, do whatever you want to do with it.
getalife
February 29th, 2012
1:59 pm
The gop are desperately trying to fire up their cons to vote for willard using social issues.
Failed as usual.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
2:00 pm
There’s no science involved in deciding that’s the point when life begins or whatever
Human life begins at conception. It has nothing to do with opinion, and everything to do with biology.
And what about the irresponsible father if he does or does not want a child? Can he ask the woman to keep or abort?
Well, I guess he can always go on the Maury Povich show and claim it’s not his.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:00 pm
“Doggone – mighty weak, mighty weak”
Is it? so you are claiming the right to decide if a killing is murder, even though you don’t know what brought it about? Arrogant, arrogant.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:01 pm
Bruno — “Then take a crack at explaining yourself. By what perspective of biology can you deny that a child in utero is not human??”
I don’t credit that a *fetus* in utero is human until it is *a physically separate individual.* IOW, not until the mother has given birth and the umbilicus has been cut.
Merely possessing human DNA isn’t sufficient to make something “human,” IMO. Cancer cells have “human” DNA, but we don’t imbue tumors with putative, imagined humanity and we don’t compel those afflicted with cancer to host those tumors against their will.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
2:01 pm
Better check your insurance policies then, because it’s quite likely you are ALREADY paying for them.
Because I self-insure, I only pay for myself. Pretty radical concept, eh??
carlosgvv
February 29th, 2012
2:01 pm
Many pregnacies end by natural miscarrage. Does that mean that God is guilty of murder?
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:02 pm
Doggone – no arrogance. The state can bestow that right on any citizen. It’s called Jury Duty.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:03 pm
K71 — “Seems like there are a bucket load of people out there who just don’t really seem to care whether they kill a potential human being or not.”
I think you need to work on your rhetoric. I thought y’all were claiming that feti were *actual* human beings, not *potential* ones.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
I don’t credit that a *fetus* in utero is human until it is *a physically separate individual.* IOW, not until the mother has given birth and the umbilicus has been cut.
So, if a child in utero is not “human”, what is it?? This has nothing to do with whatever legal rights the rest of us decide to confer or not confer. It is a question of biology.
Cancer cells have “human” DNA, but we don’t imbue tumors with putative, imagined humanity and we don’t compel those afflicted with cancer to host those tumors against their will.
A baby = a tumor?? Is that your final answer??
The devil
February 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
carlosgv – good question; i’ve asked Him that myself, but to no avail. i made Him watch justin bieber music videos for a whole day as punshiment.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
Bruno: Did you ever hear G.Gordon Liddy on abortion and the whole “fetus” issue?
getalife
February 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
Pro life means against abortion, the death penalty, starvation, abuse and war.
cons are not pro life.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:06 pm
Bruno — “So, if a child in utero is not “human”, what is it??”
It’s not a *child* at all. It’s a fetus. I’m pretty sure they taught you that at medical school, didn’t they?
“This has nothing to do with whatever legal rights the rest of us decide to confer or not confer. It is a question of biology.”
No, it’s a question of your personal opinion. Again, I respect your opinion, but I don’t share it.
“A baby = a tumor?? Is that your final answer??”
I neither said nor thought any such thing.
Is it to be your methodology, then, to misstate and misrepresent polite responses I provide to your queries?
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
2:06 pm
Republicans grew tired of pretending to merely be the voice of God. Now they all want to be Blankfeins and do God’s work for him. Isn’t that thoughtful. And they’re even willing to do it all taxed-free.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:07 pm
“Because I self-insure, I only pay for myself. Pretty radical concept, eh??”
then why bring it up? If your insurance is not paying for abortions, by what other mechanism do you THINK you ARE paying for them?
Simple Truths
February 29th, 2012
2:08 pm
I predict shrapnel everywhere from this blog entry.
Jay, how many seconds did you count after pulling the pin before throwing this grenade? Standard procedure says three.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
2:09 pm
It’s a fetus. I’m pretty sure they taught you that at medical school, didn’t they?
actually throughout the first trimester it’s an embryo; kind of annoys me when people deliberately use the term “fetus” in order to conjure images of more fully-formed, and potentially sentient, life.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:09 pm
“The state can bestow that right on any citizen. It’s called Jury Duty.”
And juries are given the FACTS in the case with which to make their decision. So I ask you again: what give YOU THE RIGHT to judge a woman WITHOUT THE FACTS of her situation?
saywhat?
February 29th, 2012
2:13 pm
“Because I self-insure, I only pay for myself. Pretty radical concept, eh??”
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If by “self-insure” you mean you have a large pool of money against which you draw health care payments as needed, well good for you, as that is not an option for most people.
If however, by “self insure” you mean you buy an individual policy, perhaps you fail to realize that your policy is pooled with other self-insureds, and payments are made out to others from that pool.In that case, you are most likely paying for abortions.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
2:14 pm
Jason
February 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
Then you are surely a liberal…
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Carlos,
Between you and me and my views only, I do there is a “God”, Too much evidence to the contrary…for me at least. But, I don’t believe in “Religions”…man contrived and therefore no more than social gatherings at best and wicked cults at worst.
To me, God is a scorekeeper. If you have more “Yea” tics than “Boo” tics on your score sheet, then you pass on the the next level…whatever that is.
But man has no business getting into God’s business. Even the Bible says that…but the religious folk just automatically seem to think they know better than God. I think their score sheet has more “boo” tics, if I were to guess…
philosopher
February 29th, 2012
2:15 pm
Jason
February 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
LIberals…No discipline, no morals, no ethics, ….No class.
Oh, yeah…telling other people how they should live their lives is so classy! And refusing to understand that contraceptives are not 100% effective (i.e. gross ignorance) is so classy! And expecting us to believe you have never had sex unless you were totally committed to having as many children as that act MIGHT produce is so classy. And calling anyone immoral who has an opinion that differs from yours is so very, very classy!
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
2:16 pm
actually throughout the first trimester it’s an embryo; kind of annoys me when people deliberately use the term “fetus” in order to conjure images of more fully-formed, and potentially sentient, life.
Embryos and feti are at all times human beings. You guys need to seriously brush up on your set theory. And your humanity.
Is it to be your methodology, then, to misstate and misrepresent polite responses I provide to your queries?
Polite, but stupid.
Jm
February 29th, 2012
2:16 pm
The Obama administration is implementing a new auto rule that costs $1.9 billion per year. It will provide benefits of $0.2 billion per year.
These democrat morons are insane. And they have the perverse insanity to argue that it is a win win.
Obama people are idiots.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:16 pm
Doggone – Rockerbabe posted that women with children know exactly what they are doing when getting an abortion. I asked, if they know exactly what they are doing, how did they get pregnant with a baby they don’t want? Now, that’s a perfectly understandable question to the assertion they know what they are doing.
Separately, I posted agreement in full with Jay’s article. But no, that’s not good enough for you. Because JohnnyReb is a Conservative, anything and everything he posts must be wrong.
I stand by my original question.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:16 pm
“So, if a child in utero is not “human”, what is it??”
It is a fetus, not a child.
The devil
February 29th, 2012
2:17 pm
Bruno – “You guys need to seriously brush up on your set theory. And your humanity.”
Kettle calling the pot black?
GT
February 29th, 2012
2:17 pm
The luxury of time on one’s hands make bills like this a priority. In these hard times we can feel the pressing importance of this sort when we have a state of world class unemployment, illiteracy and poverty, that could use some small amount of the legislature’s time is a sin of wasted energy at best. It is like my church with a mountain of sinners and needy spending valuable resources on a debate about gays. The house is on fire and you are worried about over cooking the cake in the oven.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:18 pm
” I asked, if they know exactly what they are doing, how did they get pregnant with a baby they don’t want?”
And I ask you again: what gives you the right to judge them without knowing the facts of their situation?
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:18 pm
getalife
February 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
Pro life means against abortion, the death penalty, starvation, abuse and war.
cons are not pro life.
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Have to throw the foul flag on that one. Being pro life is confined to being against abortion. The term pro life is NOT tied to death penalty, starvation, abuse and war. Where did the “starvation” come from? Please don’t tell me it is because were are against food stamps?
Finn McCool
February 29th, 2012
2:20 pm
Jay, how is your email inbox looking today after this subject?
Very good write-up tha puts it into perspective.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:21 pm
Bruno — “Embryos and feti are at all times human beings. You guys need to seriously brush up on your set theory. And your humanity.”
If you want a philosophical discussion, then *ask* for one. You specifically asked “(b)y what perspective of biology” I could deny your assertion. I answered on that basis.
“Polite, but stupid.”
I’ll take that as a yes, that you do intend to misstate and misrepresent my polite responses. And that you don’t plan to be polite yourself, but intend to stoop to personal insults.
Well done, Bruno. I become less and less impressed with you at each of our exchanges.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:21 pm
It just don’t get any more ironical. The pro abortion crowd who just loves they abortions telling the pro life crowd that they are heartless towards babies. This is more priceless than a Mastercard moment.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:23 pm
Doggone – OK, for the last time. If they are having an abortion of convenience or for social reasons, etc., not due to health reasons of the mother or fetus, then how in the heck does the fact they have
children explain how they got pregnant with a baby they don’t want?
As far as judging, almost everyone does it everyday. You know, when you judge Conservatives are wrong.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:24 pm
“Being pro life is confined to being against abortion”
Nope. Life is life.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
2:24 pm
Gotta run, back in a while to answer the Lamers.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:25 pm
“I’ll take that as a yes, that you do intend to misstate and misrepresent my polite responses.”
Oh lawdy, there goes Joe again. Anytime he can’t win a debate he comes with the you misstatement and misrepresentation accusations. Next we’re going to see the you’re being dishonest card.
“And that you don’t plan to be polite yourself, but intend to stoop to personal insults.”
Sez the (pointing, laughing) guy.
The Anti-Wooten
February 29th, 2012
2:25 pm
Thulsa Dumb,
Approximately 0% of people are “pro-abortion”. Your Georgia education is shining through.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:25 pm
JohnnyReb — “As far as judging, almost everyone does it everyday. You know, when you judge Conservatives are wrong.”
If you’re a Christian, aren’t you directed not to judge others?
saywhat?
February 29th, 2012
2:25 pm
“Well done, Bruno. I become less and less impressed with you at each of our exchanges.”
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Maybe you are a slow learner? It didn’t take me very long at all. OOps, its time to take my embryo out to play in the park. I must to remember to staple it to the swing so it doesn’t fall off.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:27 pm
A fetus is not a child? Who knew?
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:27 pm
The thought on the Right is, Obama has abandoned the abortion card in favor of the familiar contraception issue. He or his lacky planted the seed with George Steffie who used it for the first time when interviewing Romney on the Sunday show. Romney was surprised and asked George why he was being asked about Contraceptives. Romney found out later. The rest is history. And, the only reason we are discussin abortion today instead of another round on Contraception is, the GA legislature is showing all how they can sometimes badly judge what they should be working.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
Doom — “Oh lawdy, there goes Joe again. Anytime he can’t win a debate he comes with the you misstatement and misrepresentation accusations. Next we’re going to see the you’re being dishonest card.”
I’ve been polite and forthcoming with Bruno on this thread, and he has most certainly misstated and misrepresented my position. I asked him if that’s how he planned to proceed with this discussion, and he responded with an insult.
I’m not sure how you feel about that sort of discussion — maybe you like it — but if he wants a polite and productive conversation, I don’t think that’s the way to go about it.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
JohnnyReb – Your phrasing makes almost no sense to me. But I think you’re asking if they’re smart enough to decide they should get an abortion, why weren’t they smart enough to not get pregnant in the first place? Well, I’m going to put this as simply as I can. Accidents happen. Birth control isn’t effective 100% of the time. Does that explain anything to you?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
The Anti-Wooten.
Oh. Otay. So the term “pro-choice” sanitizes the practice of abortion. Gotcha. Feel better now genius?
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
“The pro abortion crowd ”
I haven’t seen any pro-abortion crowd here, are you sure you don’t have this mixed up with some other blog you are reading?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
Saywhat — “Maybe you are a slow learner? It didn’t take me very long at all.”
Perhaps I’m just more charitable towards others than you are.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:29 pm
“then how in the heck does the fact they have children explain how they got pregnant with a baby they don’t want?”
That is one of the FACTS you DON’T KNOW. Yet you presume to judge anyway.
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
2:30 pm
Sperm and eggs are alive before they get together. Does that make them each half-human.
When an embryo becomes a human is a matter of opinion. General rule of a democratic republic is for the elected reps to vote on what they think is right, and pass a law. Does not mean the law is right, just the majority view.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:31 pm
Thulsa – No one is arguing “for” abortions. We’re arguing that the state shouldn’t have the power to take the right away from a woman to choose for herself. Hence, “pro-choice.” The other side, your side if you will, of this argument conveniently mid-labels themselves in an attempt to make everyone who opposes them seem like horrible people. You’re not “pro-life,” you’re “anti-choice” and “pro-big-government.”
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:32 pm
“A fetus is not a child? Who knew?”
Quite a few people know. Just because you aren’t one of them doesn’t mean NO ONE knows.
carlosgvv
February 29th, 2012
2:32 pm
About 15 to 20% of known pregnacies end in natural miscarrage. All of you religious true believers think God is omnipotent and omniscient. This means your “God of love” knows about all these natural abortions and does NOTHING to stop them. And yet, if a woman elects to have an abortion, you call it murder. So, people are guilty of murder and God is love for doing the same thing. And you wonder why so many sensible people have nothing but contempt for you.
josef
February 29th, 2012
2:33 pm
It’s nice we’re having weather.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:34 pm
“When an embryo becomes a human is a matter of opinion”
to some extent, yes…but I can tell you absolutely when it is a human being without question: when it takes it’s first breath. Because at that point it is irrevocably separate from the woman who bore and there is no going back.
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
2:34 pm
If a fetus was a child they would call it a child, not a fetus.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:35 pm
Doggone – You mean you can’t push them back in if you’re not ready yet? Man, I KNEW there was some reason I was holding off.
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
2:35 pm
Doggone/GA
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You mean you can’t stuff them back inside if your busy and the crib is not ready yet.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:35 pm
“You mean you can’t push them back in if you’re not ready yet?”
Only if they haven’t used those lungs yet!
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:36 pm
Question for Bruno:
If this happens, was it an abortion?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2346476&page=1
Just so you know, I have personal knowledge of someone who had this situation. 21 pounds when they finally figured it out.
Talk about “potential for human life”….
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:36 pm
Oscar — “You mean you can’t stuff them back inside if your busy and the crib is not ready yet.”
I believe that the woman involved would object MOST vociferously if you tried that.
The Anti-Wooten
February 29th, 2012
2:37 pm
To each of the rightwing nutbars here and elsewhere that would choose to remove a woman’s rights to privacy and self determination I have a question.
If you’re so “prolife” for these zygotes when are you going to stand in line to offer to adopt and care for them once women are forced to carry to term? Stand up and practice what you preach or shut up. Especially all of you men. You should not even have an opinion or a vote.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:38 pm
JHM – Them wimmens get in the way of all the good stuffs. They’re a big bunch of bullies.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:38 pm
ByteMe – I can’t remember the scientific name for it, but there are also situations where a tumor contains things like developed teeth or hair. I knew someone whose horse had a tumor removed from it’s leg, and there were a couple of fully formed teeth in it.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:38 pm
“I don’t credit that a *fetus* in utero is human until it is *a physically separate individual.* “IOW, not until the mother has given birth and the umbilicus has been cut.”
Joe Mama,
Well then we should then just be able to abort babies at 8 3/4 months of development. After all according to you its not human until its a physically separate entity from its mother- “IOW, not until the mother has given birth and the umbilicus has been cut.”
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:39 pm
re, judging. OK, the bible states something along the line that not to judge else you be judged. You scholars can correct that at will, please.
The point is, everyone judges. The Left has judged a woman has the right to get an abortion without legal consequences. The Left has juded the Right wrong.
It is really common sense, which I must state the Left often exhibits a lack of, that Conservatives have every right to judge abortion as wrong. To state otherwise is very hypocritical. Just because you disagree does not mean some kind of mortal sin has occured because we judge abortion wrong.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:39 pm
” once women are forced to carry to term? ”
Heck, I’m still waiting for one of them, any of them, to tell us how they will FORCE a woman to carry her pregnancy to term!
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:40 pm
“Well then we should then just be able to abort babies at 8 3/4 months of development”
Nope. that’s not an abortion. It’s an enduced delivery.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
sorry! “induced delivery”
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
As to what “pro life” means, I stick by my post. When Doggone, getalife, and others get their own officially accepted disctonary that has been accepted as changing the meaning of the term, pro life is connected only to right of life/abortion, not capital punishment, etc. Google it for yourself.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
Doom — “Well then we should then just be able to abort babies at 8 3/4 months of development. After all according to you its not human until its a physically separate entity from its mother- “IOW, not until the mother has given birth and the umbilicus has been cut.”
If you say so. Those are your words, not mine.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
Thulsa – How about a simpler designation that takes away your hypothetical. That point at which the fetus is able to survive outside of the mother’s uterus. The point where if a woman went into labor and had a premature baby, the doctors would be concerned, but fairly certain they had a reasonable chance of allowing that child to both live and have a normal life.
Gator Joe
February 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
Jay:
The politicians behind this bill, and the so-called Christians supporting them, are opposed to abortion. I’ll bet the farm they’re ok with the death penalty and wars like the Iraq war. Same bet for their support of cuts in, or elimination of, welfare, foodstamp, and healthcare for children
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
“pro life ”
pro mean FOR
Life meand LIFE
pro life means FOR LIFE
Funny, I don’t see the word abortion in there anywhere
Life is life
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:43 pm
JohnnyReb — “their own officially accepted disctonary that has been accepted as changing the meaning of the term, pro life is connected only to right of life/abortion, not capital punishment, etc.”
No, I think we’ll use it in the way we see fit. If you don’t like it, then you can sic the dictionary police on us.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
Well, this is a good start. After we put a stop to abortion we plan on working to lock up the women that ain’t married and are with child. And maybe slap 10 years on the married women that try and have an abortion. After that we can work on getting a guvmint camera in the bedroom so we can make sure people are doing You Know What right and ain’t doing some kind of preversion. Sooner or later we’ll get what we want. We’d have it already if it wasn’t for the Activist Courts.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
“If you’re so “prolife” for these zygotes when are you going to stand in line to offer to adopt and care for them once women are forced to carry to term? Stand up and practice what you preach or shut up. Especially all of you men. You should not even have an opinion or a vote.”
Aaaaaah yeah. Hell yeah. Ya just knew it was coming. The responsibility shift card. So they move the goalposts from the central question of whether or not abortion is the killing of a human life to a different question of who should care for a child. So going by anti-wooten’s logic if you believe abortion is wrong you should then have to pay to care for that unwanted child. Not the mother or father mind you. But people who just happen to believe abortion is wrong should foot the bill. Simpleton logic at its worst.
Where did anti-wooten get his education? The Michael Moore institute of left wing kookery?
Libertarian
February 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
“Being pro life is confined to being against abortion”
Nope. Life is life.”
Ok then, so if you’re “pro choice” does that mean you’re pro choice in everything? So, should I be able to choose whether or not I buy health insurance? Should I, as an employer, be able to choose what type of health insurance I provide to my employees? Should I be able to choose whether to carry a firearm? Or where I should be able to carry it?
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
Doggone – See my 2:31 (?) – They’re not “pro-life” they’re “anti-choice” and “pro-big-government.”
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:45 pm
The pro-fetus crowd doesn’t want to touch this?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2346476&page=1
Was it an abortion or no? C’mon, let’s hear your opinions. Did it have the “potential for life” that you claim is so important to restricting choices for women?
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:46 pm
IR – “That point at which the fetus is able to survive outside of the mother’s uterus”
I try to be a bit more specific – to shortcircuit the “what about technology” argument. I say “when the foetus is at the developmental stage where it could reasonably be expected to survive if normal” If it is not normal, it is still at the STAGE where it could be expected to survive if it was normal. Or, to be more specifc, it is ENTITLED to the technolgy we have to keep it alive once it’s born.
Before that point – and there IS a point where we cannot keep a foetus alive no matter what – if the parents choose to have technology used, that is their decision.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:46 pm
Redneck Convert,
Sometimes your parody is actually somewhat funny. Your post above is just plain stupid.
The Anti-Wooten Ex Union Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:46 pm
Nice to see the stampede ready to pick up the reins and lie by saying “sure, I’d be happy to adopt and raise a child rather than allow an abortion”. Because we’re all aware including those that argue so vehemently against a woman’s rights to privacy and self determination don’t actually care about the child the simply want to impose their will on someone else.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:47 pm
So, should I be able to choose whether or not I buy health insurance?
Yes, provided we can also do away with the law that says hospitals must treat you even if you can’t pay for it. If you aren’t good with doing away with that law — and the majority of people are not — then you gotta have insurance to cover yourself.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
2:48 pm
JoeMama – you want to twist the term for political purposes. I’m not surprised you and other Moonbats here cannot distinguish the clear difference between protecting the unborn versus taking the life of a convicted criminal.. Ther we go agin, back to that common sense.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
Sometimes your parody is actually somewhat funny. Your post above is just plain stupid.
I loves me some irony in the afternoon.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
Thulsa – Do you agree that accidents happen? That birth control isn’t effective 100% of the time? Why should a 14 year old (who admittedly shouldn’t be having sex) who gets pregnant have her life ruined, because YOU have decided it is wrong (by your moral code, not hers) to get an abortion?
It isn’t simpleton logic to say, if you think abortion is wrong, then you need to put your money where your mouth is. You think its wrong, you pay for the children that would have otherwise been aborted. Well, maybe it is simple logic. But not faulty. Also, as Doggone asked, just exactly how are you going to force a woman to carry her child full term?
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Ok then, so if you’re “pro choice” does that mean you’re pro choice in everything?”
No, not everything. You don’t have the right to choose to arbitrarily kill someone else.
” So, should I be able to choose whether or not I buy health insurance?”
Yes, but you should be required to sign a waiver that states under no circumstances will you seek health assitance without being able to pay for it. You choose No, you’re on your own buddy.
” Should I, as an employer, be able to choose what type of health insurance I provide to my employees?”
Yes, but don’t be surprised if you end up with no employees. If you’ve already contracted with them to provide a certain level of insurance, then no you don’t have the right to arbitrarily change those terms.
” Should I be able to choose whether to carry a firearm? Or where I should be able to carry it?”
Yes, and yes. Just out of curiosity, what do firearms have to do with it?
The Anti-Wooten Ex Union Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:50 pm
And Thulsa Dumb doubles down on ignorance, misogyny and religious superstition. Adopt or not Thulsa Dumb?
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
2:51 pm
Yes it is nice to have weather. Life without weather could be lifeless. I cannot even conceive of it.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:51 pm
Doom — “So going by anti-wooten’s logic if you believe abortion is wrong you should then have to pay to care for that unwanted child. Not the mother or father mind you. But people who just happen to believe abortion is wrong should foot the bill.”
If a woman or couple don’t believe that they could — for whatever reason — provide for a child, then why should she carry a fetus to term?
You might argue that the child could be adopted, but there’s no guarantee of that. Each year, there are around 100K-150K adoptable children who, for whatever reason, don’t get adopted. Clearly there are more available American children than there are American families able and willing to adopt them.
Given that, how is it responsible to carry a fetus to term under those circumstances, if you don’t believe you can adequately provide for a child?
Libertarian
February 29th, 2012
2:51 pm
ByteMe – Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:47 pm
I am 100% good with doing away with that law. Its the whiny liberals who think everyone should get treatment
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:52 pm
“They’re not “pro-life” they’re “anti-choice” and “pro-big-government.”
Yep, I know that…
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
2:53 pm
JohnnyReb — “JoeMama – you want to twist the term for political purposes.”
Nope. I want to deny *you* the use of it for *your* political purposes.
“I’m not surprised you and other Moonbats here cannot distinguish the clear difference between protecting the unborn versus taking the life of a convicted criminal.”
Life is life.
“Ther we go agin, back to that common sense.”
When you’re pro-all life, then we will relent.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:53 pm
ByteMe – Man, that is SICK. But pretty freakin interesting.
Kam – Yeah, irony is best in the afternoon. Early evening is the next best time.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
2:53 pm
“when the foetus is at the developmental stage where it could reasonably be expected to survive if normal”
Aaaaaah. So now the goalpost has just been moved to “the stage of life”, you know, that arbitrary and capricious point that we feel less guilty about- That point where the fetus can then “reasonably surive on its own”.
Bob
February 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
That right Peadwag, parents are supposed to predict at least 20 years into the future if they will have full employment and/or enough financial support for another child and will NEVER be between jobs or never be unemployed/underemployed before planning a pregnancy. If they aren’t clairvoyant enough to do that then they truly are irresponsible, right?
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:55 pm
Its the whiny liberals who think everyone should get treatment
Nah. It’s the “pro-life” crowd. Learn to know who’s for what.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
2:55 pm
I am 100% good with doing away with that law. Its the whiny liberals who think everyone should get treatment
Yes how dare they get treatment. Really, I think the only people who should get treatment are the super rich. Everyone else should have to just fend for themselves.
If you don’t like it then tough.
“Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”
….. Unless they are poor.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
2:56 pm
Thulsa – So you are now advocating having a fetus removed from the mother and hooked up to mechanical equipment and monitors for the rest of its life? Once again, I guess if you’re willing to pay, then go right ahead and advocate that.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
Man, that is SICK. But pretty freakin interesting.
It is both, yes.
But is it also abortion? I notice the pro-crazy here are not answering that question the same as they’re not answering the “who is going to go to jail for doing an abortion?” question. Chickenhawks.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
taking the life of a convicted criminal.”
Innocent people are put to death all the time. We have done it many many times in this country.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
2:58 pm
Bob
February 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
That right Peadwag, parents are supposed to predict at least 20 years into the future if they will have full employment and/or enough financial support for another child and will NEVER be between jobs or never be unemployed/underemployed before planning a pregnancy. If they aren’t clairvoyant enough to do that then they truly are irresponsible, right?
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That is one of the denser things posted today. There is no way you honestly read that stupid stuff you posted in Peadawg’s post because he didn’t say anything even remotely like that.
Why don’t you try debating him on what he actually said and not some stupid made up crap like that. Surely you can do that……..
carlosgvv
February 29th, 2012
2:59 pm
Doom – 2:44
Wooten is just trying to get you and your ilk to put your money where your VERY LOUD and meddling voice is. Needless to say, it’s clear that will never happen. You’re all mouth when it comes to being “pro life”, but, when your money is involved, you turn tail and run like frightened rabbits.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
2:59 pm
Innocent people are put to death all the time. We have done it many many times in this country.
And pretty often in Texas, too!
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
2:59 pm
Republicans give the term “biological clock” a whole new meaning.
“I’m so sorry,” proclaimed the Republican bedroom police, “but according to my records, you missed the cutoff for an abortion by just over two hours and fifteen minutes.”
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
3:00 pm
How about rape. That was not the women’s choice. Should she be forced to have a baby and care for it. I don’t think so.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
3:00 pm
Bob
February 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
Your rant makes no sense. I’m not going to refute something I never said.
Go back and read, son.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
3:00 pm
Rabbits! Did someone say, Rabbits!
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:00 pm
Trust me on this too.
Half the nut jobs in here railing about abortions would change their tune pretty quick if their 14 year old daughter got pregnant.
It happens every day in white suburbia. Its just real hush hush.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
Doggone: here’s the technical stuff on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus_in_fetu
Note that it says that the fetus “is alive”.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
How about rape. That was not the women’s choice. Should she be forced to have a baby and care for it. I don’t think so.
Of course she should.
Life is Life.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
The pro-death crowd feigning to be pro-life.
Good stuff.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
Should she be forced to have a baby and care for it. I don’t think so.
According to the “pro life”, the rape and baby were “god’s will”.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:03 pm
Peadawg’s post because he didn’t say anything even remotely like that.
He didnt remotely say it. He said exactly that. Go back and read it.
ByteMe - Liberal Thug
February 29th, 2012
3:04 pm
I think we should all congratulate ourselves on self-moderation for this topic considering our host is being held against his will in a government building somewhere.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
3:04 pm
What about the case of the lady that gets raped and then kills the rapist and then discovers that he got her pregnant. Republicans must surely be torn between their two most favorite pasttimes in this case — controlling women’s bodies and killing people.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
3:05 pm
Clearly, the Left if out of debate points on this subject. When they start claiming Conservatives are not “pro life” because if we were, we would not be for capital punishment, then you know they have exhausted their talking points.
Next thing you know, they will be claiming all those Red states are really Blue.
Bye for now.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
3:06 pm
“He didnt remotely say it. He said exactly that. Go back and read it.”
When did I say this? Is someone namejacking?
Where did “Peadawg” mention anything about 20 years in the future?
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:06 pm
Either way this is just another issue the republican conservatives are way out of touch on.
Liberals and Democrats look forward and try to use Reason and Science.
Conservatives look backwards towards darkness and superstition.
I mean cmon, They believe in a guy who lives in the clouds and grants wishes.
I
Normal
February 29th, 2012
3:08 pm
Thulsa,
The Abortion Issue is not as hard as you make it. If you really want to lower the abortion rate, then have social plans to have a contraceptive program in place making them readily available for those who want them.
Barring that have social programs in place to ensure that the child in question is well cared for, educated and given every chance in life available. It’s really very simple. But then, you really have to care enough about that fetus to be willing to let the Government star those programs. If it were I, I would ensure that both programs were readily available…
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
3:08 pm
Republicans do love to dramatize their exit, stage rights.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:09 pm
Where did “Peadawg” mention anything about 20 years in the future?
You didn’t say 20 years but you were implying it.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:09 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
“If a woman or couple don’t believe that they could — for whatever reason — provide for a child, then why should she carry a fetus to term?”
So now you’ve simply cheapened human life and reduced it to a question of economics. Why didn’t you just come out and say it like this- “What if a woman just wants to have an abortion because this pregnancy is at an *inconvenient* time in her life and she just plain doesn’t want to deal with it”? The truth is much easier to deal with and the cold, hard truth of the matter is that we grant abortions to women because the pregnancy is usually just a major inconvenience- lets leave out rape, incest, etc for now. And of course the cost factor of raising a child. Never mind that millions of women, many of them unemployed, already receive lots of help for their children in the form of section 8 housing, food stamps, medicaid, and various other forms of assistance that we’ve debated ad nauseum. Not to mention any help from family, the father, etc. And ya’ll leave out the hypothetical “Well what if she’s all alone in the world and has nooooo help from any family or anyone”. Cry me that river later on.
“You might argue that the child could be adopted, but there’s no guarantee of that. Each year, there are around 100K-150K adoptable children who, for whatever reason, don’t get adopted.”
Yes. And the waiting list right now is wayyyy long. But as we all already know women get plenty of help from the govt to care for their children. Millions do and we all know this so you’re point about being able to care for them is largely irrelevant.
“Given that, how is it responsible to carry a fetus to term under those circumstances, if you don’t believe you can adequately provide for a child?”
As I’ve said there are plenty of govt programs to help provide for the child. And did you ever consider possibly that the shiftless father could help out? Or mother, father, grandparents, sisters, brothers, or mothers, fathers, grandparents, siblings of the father???
Or in liberal world is the child then the responsibility of everyone else to raise? Doesn’t really matter if it is or isn’t anyway since we already provide ample aid to single mothers.
But at least I know where you and other liberals are coming from Joe Mama. Its all just a matter of “convenience” and economics.
And the convenience of just not wanting to deal with an unplanned child is really at the heart of this whole thing. That’s what this is really all about.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 29th, 2012
3:10 pm
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
2:16 pm
“So, if a child in utero is not “human”, what is it??”
It is a fetus, not a child.
__________________________________________________________________________
And 4 hours later I still havent seen where you corrected Jay for saying it.
“Tests reveal that if carried to term, your child will be born without a skull”
“Do you continue the pregnancy, knowing that the child has no chance of survival”
Is it because he’s not a “con”?
“
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:10 pm
Next thing you know, they will be claiming all those Red states are really Blue.
Pretty soon they will only be a few red states.
And all of them in the backwoods hillbilly south where people are mostly uneducated.
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:13 pm
And the convenience of just not wanting to deal with an unplanned child is really at the heart of this whole thing. That’s what this is really all about.
That maybe the dumbest post ever on this board and that’s saying something.
Go back and read Jays article again.
THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
3:13 pm
Only in America can you be pro-death penalty, pro-war, pro-unmanned drone bombs, pro-nuclear weapons, pro-guns, pro-torture, pro-land mines, and still call yourself ‘pro-life. ’ ~Thomas Jefferson
You Republicans need to call yourselves what they really are, anti-abortion.
Calling yourselves pro-life is a friggin’ joke.
It matters not because you are never, ever, ever, ever gonna get your way on this one.
We had it once in this country and it was a complete debacle. An idiotic travesty. And you want to bring it back again?
Hello? Einstein had something to say about you vis a vis trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Go back to the 17th century where you belong…
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
3:13 pm
Nothing in my posts had ANYTHING to do with 20 years down the road.
Like I said…unless there’s a post I’m missing and someone is namejacking.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:14 pm
Thulsa – Okay, fine, if no one else wants to say it, I will. If a woman gets pregnant at an inconvenient time in her life, I feel that it is fine if she decides she wants to have an abortion. The law does to. Convenience isn’t the only reason, and it isn’t at the heart of it, but CHOICE is. As a conservative, you would think you would understand the concept of keeping government out of one more aspect of your life. Guess not. Are you, as you seem to be, arguing for more government, and more people to be on welfare?
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
3:15 pm
“So now the goalpost has just been moved to “the stage of life”, you know, that arbitrary and capricious point that we feel less guilty about”
Nope, not moving anything. To me that is the definition between an abortion and an induced delivery.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
3:15 pm
>>Should she be forced to have a baby and care for it. I don’t think so.
>According to the “pro life”, the rape and baby were “god’s will”.
The baby is a GIFT from God, per Rick Santorum, actual viable Republican Presidential candidate.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
3:16 pm
…and someone is namejacking.
I guess it takes a name-jacker to know a name-jacker.
Just sayin’.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:16 pm
Normal,
I’ve no problem with contraceptives. Condoms are 50cents. If anyone here is afraid of knocking someone up tonight then drop by and I’ll hand ya 50 cents for the condom.
Just kidding but Seriously though contraceptives are available all day long. Ya just have to pay for them. But then again I see your point. Given our culture and the steadily declining number of people who want to actually have to pay for something they use its no wonder that we are now talking about govt programs- in other words cost shifting from the worthless, lazy people who don’t want to pay for their own contraceptives to everyone else paying for them.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
3:17 pm
There’s my resident leg-humper. Sup Kam? How’s your squirrels doing?
Creep.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
3:17 pm
Earnest T. Bass,
Goota say I like your nom de blog…I remember him as a pain in the carcass to the establishment and a damned good rock thrower…as are you sir, as are you.
Keep up the good work….
josef
February 29th, 2012
3:17 pm
TAXI
If it doesn’t rain, it’ll be a long dry spell.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:18 pm
Thulsa – Are condoms or any other form of birth control (except abstinence) 100% effective?
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
3:18 pm
actual viable Republican Presidential candidate.
_______
Actual, yes. Viable, no.
Mad Max
February 29th, 2012
3:18 pm
It’s amazing that we always trot out the .05% (rape, incest, threat to mothers life, etc.) to sanctify whatever issue is at hand, in this case the killing of unborn children. I believe we all have compassion for that .05%, it’s the 99.95% that have no sense of responsibility and regard for their fellow citizens, or in this case the sanctity of human life that I have issues with. Maybe the 95.95% should be forced to hold the corpse in their hands before they leave the clinic.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
3:18 pm
“a damned good rock thrower” – There’s a difference between rock throwing and flat-out lying, which Earnest/Bob did.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
3:19 pm
Sup Kam?
Just sittin’ here watching you whine.
Same as yesterday, same as tomorrow.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
3:19 pm
“Man is the only creature that fights to get out of the womb only to spend the rest of his life trying to get back into it.”
–Thomas Jefferson
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
3:20 pm
ad Max
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The house bill has no exception for the five per cent you mentioned.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:20 pm
(ir)Rational, no they are not. Sorry. You win this one.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
3:21 pm
“Just sittin’ here watching you whine.”
Gross.
Stalk someone else you creep. I’m married.
Mad Max
February 29th, 2012
3:21 pm
Oscar, so rather than fix the bill, we allow wholesale murder.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:21 pm
Doom — “So now you’ve simply cheapened human life and reduced it to a question of economics.”
Not at all. People’s reasons for abortion are their own.
“Why didn’t you just come out and say it like this- “What if a woman just wants to have an abortion because this pregnancy is at an *inconvenient* time in her life and she just plain doesn’t want to deal with it”?
Because that’s not the question I wanted to ask.
“The truth is much easier to deal with and the cold, hard truth of the matter is”
If you don’t want to answer my question, Doom, just say so.
“Yes. And the waiting list right now is wayyyy long. But as we all already know women get plenty of help from the govt to care for their children. Millions do and we all know this so you’re point about being able to care for them is largely irrelevant.”
Rejected. We both know that your party is pressing for deep cuts to social programs and that both parties are looking to cut the budget. Given that, adequate governmental support is uncertain at best.
“As I’ve said there are plenty of govt programs to help provide for the child. And did you ever consider possibly that the shiftless father could help out?”
I already included the ’shiftless father’ in my previous question, Doom. Please pay closer attention.
“Or mother, father, grandparents, sisters, brothers, or mothers, fathers, grandparents, siblings of the father???”
There’s no legal obligation on the part of any of those people to support a woman or couple with an unplanned child and limited means. Maybe some of those people can and maybe some can’t. But you can’t count on that, and unless you’re going to advocate *compelling* them to help, then again, support from this quarter is uncertain at best.
“Or in liberal world is the child then the responsibility of everyone else to raise? Doesn’t really matter if it is or isn’t anyway since we already provide ample aid to single mothers.”
Again, rejected. See above.
“But at least I know where you and other liberals are coming from Joe Mama. Its all just a matter of “convenience” and economics.”
Once again, those are your words, not mine.
“And the convenience of just not wanting to deal with an unplanned child is really at the heart of this whole thing. That’s what this is really all about.”
If you say so. Of course, none of us over here said that, and I don’t think any of us over here believe it, either. That said, I don’t think that will dissuade you from engaging in your usual fabulism.
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
3:22 pm
d Max
——–
Didn’t see any comment offering to fix the bill. My question is, why didn’t the original bill have the exception.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 29th, 2012
3:23 pm
josef, do you know the origin of the term “thug”?
I had been told it came from a group of criminals in India (i believe) centuries ago. They would rob travelers and kill the women and rape the men. I think they were called “Thuggies (sp)”
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:23 pm
(ir)Rational — “Are you, as you seem to be, arguing for more government, and more people to be on welfare?”
I was hoping someone would ask him that.
Maybe Doom will go pro-choice if we cut social services deeply enough.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:23 pm
Irrational,
Well thank you for the refreshing honesty in admitting that we really want abortion for convenience.
“As a conservative, you would think you would understand the concept of keeping government out of one more aspect of your life. Guess not.”
Nope. You are confusing the central question of the moral argument of whether or not abortion is the killing of human life with freedom. The 2 have nothing to do with each other.
Does the govt interfere with my freedom of going out and randomly killing someone? Well of course it does. Reason being that I would be going out and taking a human life.
“Are you, as you seem to be, arguing for more government, and more people to be on welfare?”
So once again you, like Joe Mama have cheapened human life to the point of economics and arguing “Do we really want to pay the cost of raising these unwanted kids”? Well at least I now know where you compassionate liberals stand. And btw who says we have to pay to raise other kids? We do it anyway via all the social programs I mentioned previously such as food stamps, medicaid, etc. But is there anything wrong with expecting the mother, the father, the parents, grandparents, siblings, extended family, etc. to actually help in raising their child?
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:24 pm
Thulsa – So, if I’m being responsible, and using a condom, and it doesn’t work. Why should I, or my partner, be saddled with the responsibility of a child we were obviously trying to avoid, just because your morals dictate that an action I’m engaging in is wrong?
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
3:24 pm
If men could get pregnant, I assure you virtually every one of these pro-lifer male types would be screaming at the top of his lungs that the government has NO BUSINESS telling them what to do!!!
For them this is completely about control.
And the fact that it is over women makes it doubly delicious for them.
Too _______ bad. They had their run and it is over.
And it ain’t coming back.
Soothsayer
February 29th, 2012
3:24 pm
Just damn! Poor ol’ Davy Jones died! Now that’s getting close to home. He’s not that much older than me.
Anyway, this whole abortion thing impresses me as simply people trying to meddle in other people’s lives. I say if you’re against abortion, then don’t have an abortion. But why try to enforce your beliefs on others?
People are going to have abortions, legal or not. If not here, then in Mexico or Canada or Jamaica or somewhere.
How much better the World would be if everyone simply minded their own business and not worry about what other people are doing!
By the way, tired of high gas prices? Read this article.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
3:24 pm
That Guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee
Mad Max
February 29th, 2012
3:25 pm
Oscar, probably because it was written in a hurry without enough forethought like the rest of the garbage our politicians come up with.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:25 pm
Mad Max — “Maybe the 95.95% should be forced to hold the corpse in their hands before they leave the clinic.”
Smaller government FAIL.
Doggone/GA
February 29th, 2012
3:25 pm
“And 4 hours later I still havent seen where you corrected Jay for saying it”
Ummm, once it’s born it IS a child. And science or no science, to the Mother it IS her “child” since teh pregnancy was intended. That is one of the ways nature works to ensure the Mother will care for and raise the CHILD once it’s BORN.
Jm
February 29th, 2012
3:26 pm
How’s the crazy house today?
Adam
February 29th, 2012
3:27 pm
AmVet: For them this is completely about control.
Exactly. Control and PUNISHMENT.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:27 pm
“Maybe Doom will go pro-choice if we cut social services deeply enough.”
And maybe we can gradually get rid of the nanny state to the point of where people do what they have historically done throughout human history- take care of their own kids with us providing a social safety net in instances where they cannot.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
3:27 pm
Well, it’s not like the Republicans have any bad economic news to turn to in order to drum up support from their base. But the desperation on their part is really starting to take its toll. Do they think that women will sit this one out and not turn on them like they did with Komen and with the Catholic Church. Whatever. Go for it.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:28 pm
Doom — “So once again you, like Joe Mama have cheapened human life to the point of economics”
I neither said it nor thought it.
“But is there anything wrong with expecting the mother, the father, the parents, grandparents, siblings, extended family, etc. to actually help in raising their child?”
Situation: Your cousin, a 17-year-old high school dropout, gets pregnant. Her extended family is unable to help her raise her child. Should the government *compel you* to help if you have the means?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:29 pm
Jm,
Well jm they are back to saying all kinds of crazy crap today. One of them even said a fetus isn’t human until its birthed and the umbilical cord is cut. I guess that means abortion should now apply to 8 3/4 month fetuses. That’s how effing crazy they are today.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:30 pm
Doom — “where people do what they have historically done throughout human history- take care of their own kids with us providing a social safety net in instances where they cannot.”
Ah, the tired old ‘tradition’ argument. The same one used to keep women and minorities from voting, among other things.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
3:30 pm
I guess that means abortion should now apply to 8 3/4 month fetuses.
That’s what you guessed, but I have not read anything to that effect other than your post. Debates are much better without tossing strawmen into them for sheer effect.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:31 pm
Doom — “Well jm they are back to saying all kinds of crazy crap today. One of them even said a fetus isn’t human until its birthed and the umbilical cord is cut. I guess that means abortion should now apply to 8 3/4 month fetuses.”
Once again, your words, not mine.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:33 pm
Thulsa – See, here is the problem I’m having with you right now. And I believe we had this conversation yesterday, I am not, nor have I ever been a liberal. I don’t claim to have compassion for anything besides myself and my wife, and dogs in general. I come at this issue from a strictly, and truly, conservative viewpoint. My judgement isn’t clouded by the will of a god that may or may not exist, nor is it clouded by man’s religion. Now, to move on to arguing the rest of what you’ve said.
It isn’t a moral issue, except with you. For me, it is a government and freedom from government issue. I’m not confusing the central question of the moral argument as you seem to think, because, as I just stated, there is no moral argument with me. You don’t have a “right” to go out and take someone else’s life. You have a right to control what happens to your life, or to try, and if a woman is pregnant, it is her body and her life.
I’m not cheapening human life, I’m asking you a direct question based upon your argument. You seem to be arguing that it is perfectly fine to force someone to carry a child they do not want, and cannot care for, simply because there are government programs that will help to take care of them if they are forced to carry that child full term. I’m not arguing about the economics of it, I’m asking you, based off your arguments, are you advocating for more government? No one has said there is anything wrong with the extended family helping raise the child, but there is no obligation to, and I’m not sure it is “right” to expect someone to do something, possibly against their will to fulfill your moral obligations.
saywhat?
February 29th, 2012
3:33 pm
“It’s amazing that we always trot out the .05% (rape, incest, threat to mothers life, etc.) to sanctify whatever issue is at hand, in this case the killing of unborn children. I believe we all have compassion for that .05%, it’s the 99.95% that have no sense of responsibility and regard for their fellow citizens, or in this case the sanctity of human life that I have issues with. Maybe the 95.95% should be forced to hold the corpse in their hands before they leave the clinic.”
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Or maybe the 99.95% could just tell you to suck it. I’d be o.k. with that.
Normal
February 29th, 2012
3:35 pm
Bro’
And the reason why it is so hard to wean a baby boy off the breast is because they instinctively know it will be another sixteen years before they are that close again…
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:36 pm
Normal – Screen cleaner please.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:37 pm
JHM – It is interesting how Thulsa makes an argument on one page, and then on the next, it becomes yours or mine or some other “liberal’s” argument in an attempt to make us look crazy.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
3:38 pm
Normal
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:38 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:28 pm
Doom — “So once again you, like Joe Mama have cheapened human life to the point of economics”
I neither said it nor thought it.- Joe mama
Joe mama,
Well then you sure as hell implied it or strongly suggested it when you said for whatever reason what if a woman just doesn’t want to keep a child or because she doesn’t feel she can provide for it.
“Your cousin, a 17-year-old high school dropout, gets pregnant. Her extended family is unable to help her raise her child. Should the government *compel you* to help if you have the means?”
And right on freaking cue! Boom! Just as Doomy predicted earlier you are going to start going into hypotheticals about the few young women about them who have *nobody* in the whole freaking world to help them. So now you’re saying that the entire extended family can’t help at all. Nobody? They are all worthless? All of them? Since its a hypothetical and you used my cousin then I will take her in and help. And the father will help support the child or go to jail for nonchild support. Doomy will make damn sure of that. You guys got an excuse and a damn hypothetical for everything don’tcha. In any event should the state feel compelled to help out you ask? Because we are a compassionate society we should and do provide a basic safety net is my answer. But what I also believe is that if single women don’t make fathers pay for their kids- and this is a problem specifically because of our nanny state- then the state should go after the father for monies to be garnished from his paycheck to help pay for the expenses of the state in helping the mother care for the child.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:39 pm
(ir)Rational — “I am not, nor have I ever been a liberal. I don’t claim to have compassion for anything besides myself and my wife, and dogs in general. I come at this issue from a strictly, and truly, conservative viewpoint. My judgement isn’t clouded by the will of a god that may or may not exist, nor is it clouded by man’s religion.”
You are where I was about 10-12 years ago. I’m not saying you’ll become a Democrat, as I did, but I foresee you moving away from the GOP and in some other direction in the future. Maybe you’ll throw your lot in with the Libertarians. Perhaps you’ll find a different party that you feel more comfortable with. Then again, perhaps you’ll throw up your hands in frustration and become altogether apolitical. Either way, I don’t think you’ll be a Republican for much longer.
I was going to quote some bits of The Empire Strikes Back about Luke’s conversion to the Dark Side at the hands of Darth Vader and the Emperor, but I figured Doom would just run with that.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:39 pm
Oh yeah, Normal, speak for yourself. I started earlier than 16.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
3:39 pm
Normal
February 29th, 2012
3:35 pm
Epic. Just…epic.
josef
February 29th, 2012
3:39 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
That pretty much sums it up…they had a religious bent to validate their criminal activities…
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
3:40 pm
josef,
Do you feel at least somewhat relieved that the Republicans have chosen to focus on their so-called “pro-life” mantra instead of DADT or DOMA, etc. A little breathing room perhaps.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
3:40 pm
Romney headed Wednesday to Ohio, a major Super Tuesday state, where he said at a Toledo event that Republicans need a candidate from outside the Washington culture of President Barack Obama and the other Republican challengers.
Especially given the tremendous success that the last Republican president “from outside of the Washington culture” was, huh, Flip?
Your problem is that you think everyone is as forgetful and gullible as is the GOP’s “base”.
I’ve got real bad news for ya, it is gonna take a LONG time for this nation to forget the disastrous results left behind by the (W)orst ever…
Woman Voter
February 29th, 2012
3:40 pm
When it comes to elections, we CAN make a difference……WE do vote too!!! Shout out to all the women!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuBRwhomv7w
Adam
February 29th, 2012
3:41 pm
Thulsa: And maybe we can gradually get rid of the nanny state to the point of where people do what they have historically done throughout human history- take care of their own kids with us providing a social safety net in instances where they cannot.
Good. Let’s start with the REAL producers going Galt
Jm
February 29th, 2012
3:42 pm
Doom
Liberals are loco
That’s all one can say
They’re worse when mental masturbate together though
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:43 pm
JHM – I don’t call myself a republican already. I just call myself, myself, and believe what I believe. It works better for me that way. I do, as you’ve seen here, approach things from a more conservative viewpoint, although my social views more closely line up with the liberal viewpoint. I voted for an equal number of republicans, democrats, and independents/libertarians in the last election, and will probably do so again. A couple of days before the election, the wife and I sit down and go through each candidates bio and read what they stand for and decide based off that information who we think would be the best person for us to vote for. Star Wars is always fun to quote, but I’ve never been as obsessed with it as those of you from my father’s generation – old fogies.
Jm
February 29th, 2012
3:43 pm
They
Left out
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:44 pm
Irrational,
Your argument isn’t crazy. At least you were man enough to admit that we generally do abortion as a matter of economic convenience. I just think you are confusing freedom with the central question of whether or not abortion is the killing of a human life. I noticed you did not respond to my example of randomly killing someone not being ok because it is considered killing a human life.
I just think Joe mama went straight into the asylum with his idea that a fetus is not human until its born and the umbilical chord cut. If that’s not complete insanity then what is?
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
3:44 pm
Meanwhile, the Republicans better get their business sorted out, and soon. CNBC reports that markets are already beginning to anticipate an Obama victory in November. Stocks are rising on growing expectations that the president will be re-elected.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/29/can-you-hear-the-fat-lady-singing-yet-in-the-gop-race/?hpt=hp_t2
Adam
February 29th, 2012
3:44 pm
(ir)Rational: simply because there are government programs that will help to take care of them if they are forced to carry that child full term.
Programs that people who often support anti-choice efforts also support completely eliminating. That’s not really helpful to the whole “life” thing, now is it?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 29th, 2012
3:45 pm
You Pro-lifers might as well be arguing for return of Prohibition.
Isn’t going to happen ever again. It’s the law.
LTD. Learn To Deal.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:46 pm
Jm,
I gotta get back to doing some business. I leave it up to you to taming the crazies out there. Shouldn’t be difficult.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 29th, 2012
3:46 pm
can-you-hear-the-fat-lady-singing-yet-in-the-gop-race?
great title. I can hear her…getting quite loud
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:48 pm
Doom — “Well then you sure as hell implied it or strongly suggested it when you said for whatever reason what if a woman just doesn’t want to keep a child or because she doesn’t feel she can provide for it.”
I *asked* you if, given those circumstances, it was more responsible to have the child, knowing they couldn’t provide for it or if it was more responsible not to terminate the pregnancy. You still haven’t answered, so far as I can see.
If you think I implied something and I tell you that’s not what I meant, you’d get a lot more respect by saying something like ‘okay, tell me what you’re trying to say, because I’m not following you.’ You know good and well that I’ll be polite if I’m treated politely, Doom.
“And right on freaking cue! Boom! Just as Doomy predicted earlier you are going to start going into hypotheticals about the few young women about them who have *nobody* in the whole freaking world to help them.”
I didn’t do that, Doom. I asked what if *you* were the only person who could help this hypothetical cousin of yours. And right on freakin’ cue — BOOM — you start equivocating and backpedaling.
“So now you’re saying that the entire extended family can’t help at all. Nobody? They are all worthless? All of them?”
Yes, that was the question. Everyone in her extended family but *you.*
“Since its a hypothetical and you used my cousin then I will take her in and help. And the father will help support the child or go to jail for nonchild support. Doomy will make damn sure of that.”
I don’t have a problem with that, but read on.
“You guys got an excuse and a damn hypothetical for everything don’tcha.”
Yes.
“In any event should the state feel compelled to help out you ask?”
That’s not what I asked. I asked if *you* should be *compelled* by the *state* to help, even if you didn’t want to. You were the one saying that the extended family should help; I’m asking if that means *making* you help if you have the means but don’t want to help.
“Because we are a compassionate society we should and do provide a basic safety net is my answer. But what I also believe is that if single women don’t make fathers pay for their kids- and this is a problem specifically because of our nanny state- then the state should go after the father for monies to be garnished from his paycheck to help pay for the expenses of the state in helping the mother care for the child.”
Lots of states do that, but some courts are hamstrung these days. Some men who have lost their jobs have been unable to get their court ordered support decrees amended and POW, they go to jail. Consequently, they’re out of a job, can’t get a job and can’t pay what they owe. Because of mandatory lockups and slow dockets in family court, these men get caught up and thrown in jail, even though they want to find jobs and comply with their support decrees. It’s been reported on in the AJC in recent weeks.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:49 pm
Thulsa – Guess you missed this: “You don’t have a “right” to go out and take someone else’s life. You have a right to control what happens to your life, or to try, and if a woman is pregnant, it is her body and her life.” from my last post directed at you? But if that isn’t clear enough for you. You have a right to life, liberty and property (I like Locke better than Jefferson on the three rights), if you go out and kill someone, you’re depriving them of their rights. You have NO RIGHT to do that. IF, however, that (for the sake of argument, lets call it a “person”) “person” is inside your body, it is a part of your body and you can do with it what you wish. At a certain point in time, that “person” becomes a person (notice, no quotes) and is able to survive, and lead a normal life outside of, and independent of the host (mother in case you’re having a hard time keeping up). At that point, it would be wrong to kill it, up until that point, it should be up to the host/mother.
Libertarian
February 29th, 2012
3:50 pm
I love when people quote scripture in a political argument. Give me a break. We’re “supposed” to have separation of church and state here people.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
3:50 pm
They’re worse when mental masturbate together though
Jm
February 6th, 2012
3:35 pm
A few thoughts:
1. I find the numerous sexual innuendos at Jay Bookman’s blog, in particular in regard to Santorum, or Newt’s sexual adventures, beyond tiresome.
Again — you are a WATB when it’s your ox being gored.
But you seem to find sexual innuendos acceptable when it’s you tossing them out there.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
3:51 pm
Adam – I’ve been having a hard enough time getting Thulsa to respond to my posts without really blowing his mind, but yeah. That has been pointed out here before, and I’m sure it will be pointed out again.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
3:51 pm
(CNN) – Former Democratic Sen. Bob Kerrey on Wednesday officially announced his bid to recapture his old Senate seat in Nebraska.
“Doing things the conventional way has never been my strong suit,” Kerrey said in a statement. “This afternoon, I will file to become a candidate for the United States Senate in Nebraska.”
While Kerrey unveiled a new campaign website Wednesday, a spokesperson from the state’s Elections Division confirmed that he had not yet filed his paperwork.
Kerrey served as senator from 1989 to 2001, following a four-year term as governor. He’s widely considered the Democrats’ best chance at the seat in 2012.
One of the real good guys.
A former Navy SEAL and a Medal of Honor recipient for “conspicuous gallantry”.
Maybe the GOP’s swift-boating pieces of ____ will go after him…
Libertarian
February 29th, 2012
3:53 pm
I’ve been out of town for a few days…is “Ernest T. Bass” what the lefties usually refer to as a “troll”?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
3:55 pm
Doom — “I just think Joe mama went straight into the asylum with his idea that a fetus is not human until its born and the umbilical chord cut. If that’s not complete insanity then what is?”
It’s a legitimate difference of opinion, Doom.
I’ve made it clear that I respect you and Bruno’s opinions, even though I don’t share them. I’d appreciate some reciprocity on that score, though I may be expecting too much of you.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 29th, 2012
3:55 pm
Davy Jones of the Monkees is dead? Are they sure he isn’t faking it? Death-syncing, perhaps?
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
3:55 pm
Exactly. Control and PUNISHMENT.
In Virginia, per their Senate today, the punishment must be rape. In a doctor’s office, but it’s still rape.
josef
February 29th, 2012
3:57 pm
TAXI
To a degree…but they’ll be coming back to it…they always do…
Normal
February 29th, 2012
3:58 pm
All kidding aside and this is slightly ironic…I told a blogger here about a grandson I have and I spoke about his life so far.
I just now got off the phone with his mother, my daughter, and she told me he has…today…been put in a juvenile institution for…I guess you would call it, the unbalanced.
He was taken from his home for assaulting his sister and he has shown no remorse, even bragged about it, thus his incarceration…
The ironic thing is that when my daughter got pregnant at 17, her mother wanted to abort him. If my daughter had been an adult and she agreed, it would have happened. Her body, her decision.
Since she was a minor, I stepped in and said no.
The questions becomes what if I had said yes? Then there would be a innocent girl still with her innocence, at least.
They, through interviews, are finding out more abuse on other children, and I suspect the tip of the ice berg is all that has been revealed.
We think in ideals when it comes to “Pro Life”, save the innocent, and all that, but what of the reality of it?
This really shakes my soul because for wanting to do “the right thing”, I have caused pain and humiliation for children. I am truly sick to my stomach.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
3:59 pm
josef @ 3:57
Its election time man………. You know that “God, Guns and Gays” must be brought to the table to rile up the base……..
As you know… Nothing new. Same, tried and true tactics
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
3:59 pm
(ir)Rational, here’s what it comes down to, and I really mean this: as a conservative, I care about human beings before they are born and after they are dead. What happens in between is up to us, so we don’t need to care about anyone other than ourselves because we can look after ourselves, ourselves. Before we are born, and when we die, we have to rely on others, so that is why I am ok with government inteference before life and after death, but not in between. I’m tired so I’m leaving this one alone for now.
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
4:00 pm
I just now got off the phone with his mother, my daughter, and she told me he has…today…been put in a juvenile institution for…I guess you would call it, the unbalanced.
Jeez, Normal. Really sorry to hear this. heartbreaking stuff.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
4:01 pm
One of the four RINOs going after the other three RINOs. (LOL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPRnCKDD1Qo
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
4:01 pm
Normal
Thoughts go out to you and your family…. Hope things work out for the best
stands for decibels
February 29th, 2012
4:01 pm
What happens in between is up to us, so we don’t need to care about anyone other than ourselves because we can look after ourselves, ourselves.
Like I said: Psychopaths.
Rich
February 29th, 2012
4:02 pm
Aborting a baby for the sake of looking good in a summer bikini is reprehensible.
Aborting a baby, the first trimester, because birth control didn’t work, you can’t afford it, you were forcibly raped, the victim of incest attack, the medical determination is that the baby will be deformed or suffer some painful and horrible malady, or a whole host of other medical reasons, should be left up to the mother, her doctor, her parents (if she is young), her boyfriend or husband, and priest or reverend if she is religious. Virginia’s recent attempt to mandate internal vaginal probes in order to be authorized for an abortion (and this from Republicans!) is a clear violation of privacy laws and overreaching government interference in areas it has no business to dictate.
Woman Voter
February 29th, 2012
4:03 pm
Normal says..
This really shakes my soul because for wanting to do “the right thing”, I have caused pain and humiliation for children. I am truly sick to my stomach.
You can not be hard on yourself. As kids grow older, they sometimes stray away from the morals and values that they are taught. It has nothing to do with their upbringing. Just never give up on the child…and keep praying!
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:03 pm
Kamchak
I ran jm’s post through my newest piece of detection equipment, and this was the result.
Fred &trade
February 29th, 2012
4:03 pm
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:03 pm
Peadawg’s post because he didn’t say anything even remotely like that.
He didnt remotely say it. He said exactly that. Go back and read it.
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Ya know, on the REMOTE chance I was wrong, that I had missed something Peadawg posted, I scrolled back through 6 pages of (to me) useless damn discussion. And I found that of course I am RIGHT.
Peadawg in no way stated what Bob (and now you) claim he did. But since you seem so sure, why don’t YOU scroll back and post his post with the time stamp and everything. Don’t worry, i’ll wait.
Adam
February 29th, 2012
4:04 pm
Thulsa: (ir)Rational, here’s what it comes down to, and I really mean this: as a conservative, I care about human beings before they are born and after they are dead. What happens in between is up to us, so we don’t need to care about anyone other than ourselves because we can look after ourselves, ourselves. Before we are born, and when we die, we have to rely on others, so that is why I am ok with government inteference before life and after death, but not in between. I’m tired so I’m leaving this one alone for now.
What makes you think that the 18 years prior to adulthood don’t fit into your “reliance on others” argument?
I did, I did
February 29th, 2012
4:04 pm
Rich – Hey, now, fella. If you saw my ‘before’ and ‘after’ pics, I know you’d feel differently about that bikini comment. Just sayin’.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
4:04 pm
Normal
I will offer my condolence for your predicament. You did what you believed to be the right thing at the time and doing the “what if” thing now won’t help. Hopefully your grandson will see the error of his ways and apologize and try to repair the damage he has caused.
Sending you positive vibes your way.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
4:05 pm
Speaking of guns, where’s that nut case that heads up the NRA these days. That guy sees conspiracies in corn flakes — They made them crunchy so people would want to shoot them as soon as they put milk on them and they turned soggy and then people would want to ban guns for it… or something like that.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:05 pm
Thulsa – As a conservative, I’m against all government intrusion in my life. I’ll accept a reasonable amount, and I assume you will too, we just disagree as to what is reasonable.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
4:06 pm
Jm
I know you are out there…………. Don’t fade like a cheap pair of wranglers because you stepped in it…..
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
4:06 pm
Ah, brother Normal. I hate it so much that you are in pain.
I truly hope you can find some peace about this. You are a very strong man and I trust you will.
My god, life can be hard…
Most of us are sad
No one lets it show
I’ve been shadows of myself
How was I to know?
Tell me scarlet sun what will time allow?
We have brought our children here
Who can save them now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5dJEjDwHo
Fred &trade
February 29th, 2012
4:07 pm
Ernest T. Bass
February 29th, 2012
3:09 pm
Where did “Peadawg” mention anything about 20 years in the future?
You didn’t say 20 years but you were implying it.
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He implied nothing of the sort. Are you really that devoid of logic and reason? He merely stated that he thought that someone with no job or insurance should not have gotten pregnant. I have neither defended nor condemned THAT position BTW, but I’m also not going to stand by while someone claims he said something he didn’t.
Argue what he said, not what your mind conjured up out of nowhere. Use the words in black he used.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
4:07 pm
Normal — “This really shakes my soul because for wanting to do “the right thing”, I have caused pain and humiliation for children. I am truly sick to my stomach.”
IMO, you have nothing to feel guilt or regret for. You made what you felt was the appropriate decision at the time, and you make the best of the decision and move on. You’re not responsible for the bad decisions and bad acts of a grandchild, and you shouldn’t blame yourself.
If this troubles you deeply, I suggest you seek professional or pastoral counseling, whichever you’re more comfortable with. Perhaps a counselor could help you come to terms with the situation and find your peace.
I sympathize with you, because I’ve got a dirtbag younger brother with whom I’ve cut all contact. The last time I saw him, I threw him out of my mom’s house. While cleaning the house up, I found his stash and contacted the police. I found out at that point that they were very interested in talking to him in connection with several cases they were investigating.
I haven’t seen him in six or seven years, but he drunk-dialed me in the middle of the night a few years ago and threatened to have me killed. I let him hear me work the action on my shotgun while I had him on the phone. “Come on over,” I replied. “Love for you to come see me and my friend.”
Long story short — it’s rough to have such a family member, but their bad acts are not your fault.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
4:08 pm
Rich – “because birth control didn’t work, you can’t afford it” – Those aren’t good enough reasons. Those belong with your “looking good in a summer bikini” sentence.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
4:08 pm
“What makes you think that the 18 years prior to adulthood don’t fit into your “reliance on others” argument?”
If kids are old enough to be janitors, they are old enough to take care of themselves. Maybe they need protection until age 5. When you hit 6, you’re fair game.
josef
February 29th, 2012
4:08 pm
BOTH SUCK
Being a religious, gun totin’ gay…oh, well, the memo’s not out on that one, yet!
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:08 pm
Normal
You and your family are all in my prayers…
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dB
I’m wondering if a doctor could be charged with violating a woman’s 4th Amendment right under that bill. Undergoing an unnecessary sonogram could be interpreted as an unwarranted search. I don’t know if doctors fall under the 4th in the same manner as law enforcement though. I’ve been trying to find out if there’s anything relating to that anywhere.
Tom Middleton
February 29th, 2012
4:08 pm
In a perfect world (the one of Rick and Mitt’s imaginations), perfect people will only have sex when they want to have children, and every single act will lead to a perfect child (or two or three or more).
But since this isn’t the world any of us live in, and probably wouldn’t even if we could, especially the sex part, we need personal options when things sometimes go wrong.
And the Republicans, far from being perfect themselves – look what they did to our economy last president – need to go do something else for their politics besides tell the rest of us how we should be perfect.
I mean, they can’t even get the “Mammon” thing right, yes? Remember the part of Christianity about not being able to worship God AND wealth (Mammon), that it’s either one or the other? Yeah, like we could ever believe somehow that they’ve chosen God!
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Fred &trade
February 29th, 2012
4:08 pm
Oh and Peadawg? You are welcome btw for defending you you goober.
I’ll be back to catch up once I get the Borscht good and started.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
4:09 pm
Fred &trade
February 29th, 2012
4:07 pm
Thanks…but don’t feed the trolls. They will just keep coming back.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:09 pm
Normal – Real sorry to hear that man.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
4:10 pm
If you believe that life begins at conception then there is no acceptable argument that justifies abortion. You can say it’s the woman’s right to choose because it’s her body, you can say that government has no right to craft legislation that infringes in any way on that right but those arguments along with any others are unacceptable to those who believe that it’s human life in the womb at any stage of pregnancy. Roe vs Wade is the law of the land which legalizes abortion, however, states have the right to place restrictions on the procedure. It is believed by lawmakers in the state of Georgia that at the 20th. week into a pregnancy the fetus has developed to the point of having capability to experience extreme pain during an abortion. There is no irrefutable evidence that disproves this belief, therefore the bill under debate is perfectly acceptable legislation. Jay’s imagine argument should be directed to the lawmakers seeking considering of extenuating circumstances. Advocating complete rejection of Bill 954 on the grounds presented is a disingenuous argument.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
4:10 pm
“Oh and Peadawg? You are welcome btw for defending you you goober.
I’ll be back to catch up once I get the Borscht good and started.”
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
4:10 pm
josef
That is funny………
I always liked that quote from Dean. Like most political jargon it is generic and a broad-brush, but comical
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:11 pm
Rich
February 29th, 2012
4:02 pm
Rich, you dont want an abortion, dont F’in get one.
Adam
February 29th, 2012
4:11 pm
Thulsa: Maybe they need protection until age 5. When you hit 6, you’re fair game.
Well I strongly disagree, and I think a lot of parents would too.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:11 pm
Pea – Care to defend the “not good reasons” statement? If your 14 year old daughter got knocked up because her boyfriend didn’t put the condom on correctly, or it failed, how would you feel then?
Rich – Well stated. And while I agree that it isn’t a good reason, it isn’t my decision to make, and I don’t believe it is the government’s either. Leave it up to the girl and her family.
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:14 pm
Adam – I’m all for leaving the child in the protection of the parents/an adult until a certain age. Honestly, I think 18 is way too young for some people (I was one of those people), but see, Thulsa is one of those “compassionate conservatives” that you hear so much about. Or as you say, he is into “control and punishment.” But not after the child is born.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:14 pm
If you believe that life begins at conception then there is no acceptable argument that justifies abortion.
100% absolutely correct. That said, what “you” believe might not be what other people believe. Why should you be able to force your beliefs on someone else because you believe different from them? Why should government be able to dictate what a woman can do to her body? If it’s not your body, your child, or your money, why should your beliefs even matter in someone else’s private matters?
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
4:15 pm
Adam
TD can be facetious at times and it can be difficult to know if he is being serious on any given issue, but I think he was pulling your leg about “When you hit 6,”
Adam
February 29th, 2012
4:16 pm
Brosephus: I love it when the argument turns to “science proves life begins at conception.” No it doesn’t. There is no scientific way to verify the beginning of life AT ALL.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
4:17 pm
“If your 14 year old daughter got knocked up because her boyfriend didn’t put the condom on correctly, or it failed, how would you feel then?”
If my aunt had a d*k, she’d by uncle. What’s your point?
And no, getting an abortion b/c you can’t afford it is not a good reason…should have kept that ibuprofen between your knees.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:17 pm
“100% absolutely correct. That said, what “you” believe might not be what other people believe.”
He showed exactly why CONs think their BELIEFS should be the law of the land.
Adam
February 29th, 2012
4:19 pm
They BOTH Suck: Possibly. But sometimes you just can’t tell.
Bottom line: If you’re for protecting a life so it can be born, why abandon it specifically at that point? Why abandon it at any point before it is capable of COMPLETELY taking care of itself without reasonable parental help?
I was going to say “without government assistance” but then we’d have to go into how EVERYONE is on some amount of government assistance their whole lives….
Adam
February 29th, 2012
4:21 pm
Peadawg: should have kept that ibuprofen between your knees.
Not 100% effective:
http://notsosecret.com/2012-02-17/how-to-have-sex-with-an-aspirin-between-your-knees/
Adam
February 29th, 2012
4:22 pm
And with that I am OUT
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
4:22 pm
Um….I’ll click that link tonight when I get home, Adam.
Always interested in new positions
.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:23 pm
Joe Cool
That’s the one thing I can’t quite grasp. I don’t want my neighbors butting into my personal business inside the walls of my home, and if it doesn’t require it, I don’t want the government in there either. I have my set of beliefs, one of which is that I would personally want to raise my child if some woman was carrying it, even if she didn’t want it. If I can talk her into carrying it to term, no problem. At the same time, I can not hold a gun to her head and force her to do that as it’s her body. I can’t see myself making decisions about somebody else’s body unless I was given the authority to do so by that person. I equate that kind of meddling to owning slaves and dictating what could be done to their bodies. I don’t own anybody and nobody owns me.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:23 pm
The last time a Republican cared about my rights, I was a fetus………
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
4:23 pm
‘ The pain argument is being used to advance an agenda, not to respond to science.’
……how about the kill the baby argument is being used to advance and agenda, not to respond to any moral, responsible or ethical questions at the heart of the matter……….leftist libs like jay and many libs on this board stand up for the actions but do not stand up for the consequences of these actions, where as a conservative stands up for the actions and the consequences of those actions…….that’s a defining difference b/t a lib and a conservative and one that conservatives will never lose sight of jay and is the kind of honesty that permeates conservatives and most americans and that will lead to obama’s losing in Nov………call george on abc and tell him he might want to start a new narrative in the lib media away from social issues, b/c well explained views by a conservative exposes the media and your ilk…….what’s next jay, maybe…….the race card, or is it too early for that false narrative?
FYI…….’The bill is also certain to force abortions that otherwise will not have occurred, he said.’…..this is classic, you argue for abortion while using an argument that this law will create more abortions and that’s a bad thing…….you speak out of both sides of your mouth and this is fundamentally dishonest and i love exposing radical libs like you jay………..
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:24 pm
Pea
I clicked Adam’s link and guessed #1 even before I read it. I could think of a few more that were not listed too.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
4:25 pm
Why should government be able to dictate what a woman can do to her body? If it’s not your body, your child, or your money, why should your beliefs even matter in someone else’s private matters?
If it’s human life in the womb then extinguishing that human life would be an act of murder, would it not? Roe vs Wade allows for abortion to be performed legally, however, reasonable restrictions can be placed on the procedure through state legislation. Ensuring that a fetus developing in the womb doesn’t suffer any potential for extreme pain during the course of an abortive procedure is a reasonable restriction in my opinion.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
4:25 pm
Roe vs Wade is the law of the land which legalizes abortion, however, states have the right to place restrictions on the procedure
Actually the opinions are much more nuanced about that and discuss when the state’s interest overrides a woman’s privacy and other interests finding that the longer the pregnancy proceeds the greater the state’s legitimate interest in regulating abortions (protecting prenatal life and protecting women’s health). So the burden is actually upon the state to prove that it has a legitimate interest despite the many claims otherwise.
Jm
February 29th, 2012
4:26 pm
Tbs 4:06 busy
The typo terrorist
February 29th, 2012
4:27 pm
Joe Cool – “The last time a Republican cared about my rights, I was a fetus………”
I think you meant to say: The last time a Republican PRETENDED TO CARE about my rights, I was a fetus….” Yes?
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:31 pm
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:23 pm
True, but the problem is yes we can disagree about what one SHOULD do with their body, it’s another thing to write it into law. The universal law show be “do wtf you want to do to your body but leave the rest of us alone”. Not THATS Liberty..lol
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:31 pm
The typo terrorist – Yeah, that’s probably correct.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
4:31 pm
“So the burden is actually upon the state to prove that it has a legitimate interest despite the many claims otherwise”
That would be an argument requiring court settlement not here on the blog.
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
4:31 pm
typo terrorist,
obama is taking away your rights to decide your healthcare for yourself……..I care about the right of freedom and am standing up against obama……the question is will you………?
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:32 pm
JOE COOL – That is my position.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
4:32 pm
Recon — “There is no irrefutable evidence that disproves this belief, therefore the bill under debate is perfectly acceptable legislation.”
Rejected. There’s no irrefutable evidence that *proves* the belief, either.
You’re engaging in the logical fallacy of Russell’s Teapot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
4:33 pm
The last time a Republican cared about me was during the last election. I see a pattern.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:34 pm
The typo terrorist
February 29th, 2012
4:27 pm
Cant say PRETEND, because they out here sh00ting and bl0wing up stuff behind it.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:34 pm
If it’s human life in the womb then extinguishing that human life would be an act of murder, would it not?
According to the law, yeah, you can get charged with 2 counts of murder if you kill a woman who’s pregnant. Does that mean you’re gonna go Charles Bronson vigilante to stop other people from getting murdered? I understand the emotional, and religious, draw to opposing abortion, and I won’t argue against it. I just don’t see myself advocating government intrusion into a private medical affair.
Something else that does not sit well with me is this. The same group that decries government involvement in healthcare is the same crowd begging for government incursion into health care. I can not see how one can be so against something and beg for it at the same time.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:35 pm
NEW GAME: Fill in the BLANK
The last time a Republican cared about me was____________.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:36 pm
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:32 pm
Yeah, but why is that so hard?
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
4:36 pm
Rejected. There’s no irrefutable evidence that *proves* the belief, either.
You’re engaging in the logical fallacy of Russell’s Teapot.
Blog lawyers won’t change any piece of legislation regardless of the basis on which it was crafted and passed into law. I merely stated my opinion.
Jm
February 29th, 2012
4:38 pm
Bro 4:34 not the libs. Libertarians, that is…
carlosgvv
February 29th, 2012
4:39 pm
We humans are biological mammals, like cats, dogs, monkeys etc. We have overpopulated our planet and are paying the price with global warming, rising energy prices, people starving every day and the horrows will only increase as the population increases. The stark fact is not only do we not need any more people, we have way too many now. Our population is now over 7 Billion. It will only increase as more years go by. Many of you think all human life is sacred. However, there is not a shred of evidence that anything is sacred, at least in a supernatural sense. We must began reducing our population now or condemn future generations to untold misery. Worldwide, we need a one child policy only. Abortions must be made avaliable to all who want them. You religious nuts cannot make the biological facts of our existence go away by reading your Bibles and praying to your “God of Love”. Either fact cold hard facts now or curse future generations to misery by your stubborn ignorance.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
4:39 pm
The last time a Republican cared about me was____________.
1954. (I was born in January 1955!)
Once you leave the womb, conservatives don’t care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. ~George Carlin
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
4:39 pm
Recon — “Roe vs Wade allows for abortion to be performed legally, however, reasonable restrictions can be placed on the procedure through state legislation. Ensuring that a fetus developing in the womb doesn’t suffer any potential for extreme pain during the course of an abortive procedure is a reasonable restriction in my opinion.”
There’s no legal precedent for the government to step into family medical decisions and prevent an actual child from feeling pain, provided the family is otherwise receiving competent medical care. In any event, if you believe that a fetus is a child, then you must logically concede that the parent or family has the right and authority to make medical decisions for it, just as the state concedes for actual children.
You might be able to make a cogent case for forestalling abortion when parents *disagree,* but if both parents agreed to follow through with an abortion, then they’re making a medical decision for what *you* say is a child, and there’s no precedent for government getting involved in that.
pogo
February 29th, 2012
4:40 pm
Let’s face it, abortions probably prevent a lot of children from having to grow up in a world where nobody really wants them. With all the contraception that is available there is absolutely no excuse for most abortions to even happen, but happen they do. That says a lot about the personnal responsibility (or intelligence) of the people who have to get them or that caused them to happen. Do we really want these peoples genetic material continuing to reproduce? The early progressives (equivalent to todays liberals) such as Margaret Sanger were all about limiting “inferior” genetic material through abortion. Eugenics it was called. The modern progressive movement cannot hide from its origins on this subject or deny the roots ot its belief system. Its your term and the origin of your belief structure on the subject of abortion. Basically they were saying that we don’t need anymore of what WE don’t think we need anymore of. Scary business.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
4:41 pm
“I just don’t see myself advocating government intrusion into a private medical affair.”
Again this bill is proposed legislation you either agree with it or you don’t. I agree with it on the basis for which it was formed.
Mick
February 29th, 2012
4:41 pm
Like a thief in the night – RIP davy jones of the monkees…
(ir)Rational
February 29th, 2012
4:43 pm
JOE COOL – I’m not sure why people can’t understand that position.
jewcowboy
February 29th, 2012
4:43 pm
Meh…if these lawmakers don’t want to let women have abortions, then let her sign a release form, she carries the baby to term while the state of GA pays her a salary and provides medical insurance, then these jacknob legislators have a lottery to determine who has to take the spawn and raise it.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
4:44 pm
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:24 pm
Pea
I clicked Adam’s link and guessed #1 even before I read it. I could think of a few more that were not listed too.
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You dirty dog Bro. But then that was number one on MY list too lol.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
4:44 pm
Oooh, the Margaret Sanger card!
Cool beans!
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
February 29th, 2012
4:44 pm
The last time a Republican cared about me was____________.
When I dropped being a member of the NRA.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
4:44 pm
“So the burden is actually upon the state to prove that it has a legitimate interest despite the many claims otherwise” That would be an argument requiring court settlement not here on the blog.
Actually, it first requires that in sponsoring a bill and passing that bill that the legislature consider whether it has a legitimate state interest. In such consideration, it is perfectly appropriate for comments to be received and frankly perfectly legitimate to discuss in a blog or any public forum. You are entitled to state your opinion, you are not entitled to demand that no one comment or discuss those opinions, criticize them or point out their errors, here or otherwise. If you are too sensitive to receive that opinion or to comprehend that perhaps posters and readers of the “blog lawyers” and others may communicate information here to their legislature, well that is your problem.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
4:45 pm
Recon — “Blog lawyers won’t change any piece of legislation regardless of the basis on which it was crafted and passed into law.”
Judicial review has always held that that state has to prove a compelling state interest in order to infringe on the rights of The People. It’s not incumbent on The People to show that there’s a compelling individual interest in order to overturn a burdensome state interest.
jewcowboy
February 29th, 2012
4:45 pm
Or simply pass a law that outlaws abortion, and stipulates that each woman who wanted an abortion, but was denied one, the father has to have his balls surgically amputated.
Or surgically amputate the balls on a corresponding anti-choice nut who wants deny a woman the right of choice.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
4:45 pm
“You might be able to make a cogent case for forestalling abortion when parents *disagree,* but if both parents agreed to follow through with an abortion, then they’re making a medical decision for what *you* say is a child, and there’s no precedent for government getting involved in that.”
Joe once again you’re taking it into the legal domain. It can’t be argued and adjudicated on the blog. I was merely stating my personal opinion regarding its merit.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
4:45 pm
The last time a Republican cared about me was____________.
When you were a millionaire.
Oh you’ve never been one? Woops…..
Jm
February 29th, 2012
4:46 pm
Bill Clinton says: embrace keystone pipeline
Obama is a socialist next to uber capitalist Clinton
Romney 2012
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
4:47 pm
terrorist @ 4:45 — holy crap
The typo terrorist
February 29th, 2012
4:47 pm
“Romney 2012.” You’re a hoot. I’ll be laughing all the way to President O’s inauguration.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
4:47 pm
Recon — “Joe once again you’re taking it into the legal domain. It can’t be argued and adjudicated on the blog. I was merely stating my personal opinion regarding its merit.”
So was I. You don’t have to play if you don’t want to.
The typo terrorist
February 29th, 2012
4:48 pm
Joe Hussein Mama – that’s what he said
The typo terrorist
February 29th, 2012
4:49 pm
(we were in Utah at the time, and as you well know, the crap there really is holy)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
4:49 pm
“Do the Humpty Hump, come on and do the Humpty Hump
Do the Humpty Hump, just watch me do the Humpty Hump”
– Thomas Jefferson
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
4:50 pm
Y’all Republicans make sure you don’t forget to add that requirement of not voting for any candidate that allows for any abortion onto that list of disqualifiers. Y’all got to stay pure, doncha know.
By the way, when is conception again for a Republican. Is it right when both of you decide to have sex or is it just when the male decides.
St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia
February 29th, 2012
4:50 pm
and the moderates continue to bail – David Deier (R) stepping down
drip, drip, the pool gets shallower.
Dreier, a bachelor, was passed over for a GOP leadership position in a controversial decision in 2005 that some observers speculated had to do with questions about his sexuality. Rep. Barney Frank, who is openly gay, was asked if Dreier was passed over because he was too “moderate.”
“Yes, in the sense that I marched in the moderate pride parade last summer and went to a moderate bar,” Frank famously responded,
jewcowboy
February 29th, 2012
4:50 pm
Who here thinks that if a man had to decide between denying woman the choice of abortion and losing their balls, or letting women choose and keeping their balls, the anti-choice movement would whither away?
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
4:50 pm
carlos, 4:29
thanks for enlightening all here as to the real push behind abortion for the radical leftists……..it’s called obama’s science guy holdren arguing for population controls as far back as the 70’s……..it’s not about the individual for the leftists, it’s about the statists controlling the individual……..exposing the dna of radical leftist liberals, who control the dem party and the white house at the moment is not only educating, it’s fun!
Jay,
what was the initial reasoning to start planned parenthood……she’s hillary’s hero and a hero to scores on the left……..why not expose some more as to the real origins of the abortion leftists from the early 1900’s……some might call what hillary’s hero wanted to do a little radical, racist, extremist in nature…….i think we should have these social issue conversations and allow honest people to expose leftists and the media to more and more people…..
Where's Waldo?
February 29th, 2012
4:52 pm
Thulsa Doom seems awful quiet the past few hours. Perhaps the talk of castration has him scared.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
4:53 pm
Who here thinks men losing their balls and women killing their unborn babies is even remotely similar?
*crickets*
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:53 pm
Again this bill is proposed legislation you either agree with it or you don’t. I agree with it on the basis for which it was formed.
And I don’t agree with it because those laws need to be left alone. Some people are not content with getting half or even three quarters of what “they” want regardless of what others around them want. Instead of focusing on jobs, ethics, or any other issue that would have positive impact on people looking for work, the Assembly is bogged down with social legislation. That’s not why I voted to send my Rep to the Dome.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
4:53 pm
The typo terrorist
February 29th, 2012
4:45 pm
Joe Cool – fun game!!! I’ll play. The last time a Republican cared about me, I WAS OFFERING TO GIVE HIM A HANDJOB IN THE TOILET STALL RIGHT NEXT TO MINE.
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Brother, I wouldn’ta told THAT………
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://berrymii.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/baby-shocked-face-03-copy.jpg%3Fw%3D400&imgrefurl=http://berrymii.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/weekends-at-tampines-mall/baby-shocked-face-03-copy/&h=413&w=400&sz=61&tbnid=vcS2uqdpEd-8yM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=88&prev=/search%3Fq%3DShocked%2Bface%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=Shocked+face&docid=nS6Wovdwv_FCDM&sa=X&ei=Vp5OT_rDF8auiQKShtGxCw&ved=0CDcQ9QEwBA&dur=1956
St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia
February 29th, 2012
4:54 pm
typo David Dreier (R)
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
4:54 pm
Romney won self-identified Republicans, 47-37 percent. He dominated among people earning more than $100,000 per year and his voters were ideological middle-of-the-roaders: people who think abortion should remain legal in some circumstances, “moderate” supporters of the Tea Party, the “somewhat conservative” in outlook, yada yada, yawn, yawn.
In contrast, Santorum’s voters were a carnival of die-hards: the bitter unemployed, the very religious, ardent prolifers and the fervent Tea Partiers.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/opinion/stanley-michigan-primary/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3
Have you ever wondered why Republicans are so interested in encouraging people to volunteer in their communities? It’s because volunteers work for no pay. Republicans have been trying to get people to work for no pay for a long time. ~George Carlin
jewcowboy
February 29th, 2012
4:54 pm
TaxPayer,
“Is it right when both of you decide to have sex or is it just when the male decides”
As Bill Maher said, the modern GOP believes life begins at erection.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
4:55 pm
Fred
Great minds!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
4:56 pm
Fred
http://tinyurl.com/
Just sayin’.
jewcowboy
February 29th, 2012
4:58 pm
Peadawg,
“Who here thinks men losing their balls and women killing their unborn babies is even remotely similar?”
Who thinks that men deciding what a woman can do with her body, is any different from men deciding what a man can do with his body?
My basic premise is, instead of passing laws that limit abortion and punish women, perhaps a better way is to pass laws and create programs that make one want to keep their child, and punish men who don’t help.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
4:59 pm
Kam: Thank a whole lot. USinUK said something about that but wouldn’t answer when I axed her HOW. Sweet.
Did you watch the USA/Italy game today? (Is it a game or a match in soccer? Or something else lol?)
Joe Hussein Mama
February 29th, 2012
4:59 pm
Peadawg — “Who here thinks men losing their balls and women killing their unborn babies is even remotely similar?”
I’d have to credit that killing was actually taking place as you posit before I could respond to your question.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
4:59 pm
I bookmmarked that kam BTW……….
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
5:00 pm
As Bill Maher said, the modern GOP believes life begins at erection.
For some reason, I thought of this when I saw your comment.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
5:02 pm
Billybob, fill in the following blanks:
American Views on Abortion
Situation Should Be Legal Should Be Illegal
All or Most Cases
To Save Woman’s Life
To Save Woman’s Health
In Cases of Rape/Incest
Physically Impaired Baby
To End Unwanted Pregnancy
D&X/Partial-Birth Abortions
Pregnancy is 6 Months+
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
5:03 pm
BillyBob
If one admires the Founding Fathers, does that make them racist?
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
5:04 pm
carlin and maher quotes show how the leftists are barely hanging on……….and how narrow their ideology is and why conservatism is winning the argument today……and will win the argument all the way to the white house in nov…..enjoy
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
5:04 pm
No Fred, I didn’t watch the Italy/US match (yes, it’s match). In fact I’m embarrassed that I was unaware of the match, which we won 1-0 on Clint Dempsey’s goal in the 55th minute.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
5:07 pm
Or maybe I meant this one.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
5:08 pm
KAM; I scrolled through it when I accidentally clicked on ESPN, but I didn’t have time. It was half time then and I had to bolt for the store. When I got back it was over. Weird how the replay an ESPN3 won’t play.
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
5:09 pm
the left claims i am a racist for something daily tbs……
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
5:10 pm
OK, Mr. Erudite William Robert, since you have no idea, and care even less, what Americans think about abortion, maybe you’ll like this quote about your beloved party…
Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home–but not for housing. They are strong for labor–but they are stronger for restricting labor’s rights. They favor minimum wage–the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all–but they won’t spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine–for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing–but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing–so long as it doesn’t spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. ~Harry Truman
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
5:10 pm
“If it’s human life in the womb then extinguishing that human life would be an act of murder, would it not?”
Except it’s not “human life” – it’s symbiotic life, TOTALLY dependent on the host (the woman). That’s how we are made. We women have TOTAL control over what happens to that pregnancy. TOTAL control.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
5:12 pm
Billybob
I never claimed you were a racist? You posted something about eugenics and the person being Hillary’s hero. I do not know about her, however I assume she was a racist or you assume she was one
So I asked you the question I did about the Founding Fathers; seeing most of the owned slaves
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
5:13 pm
Boy, Americans are some heartless mofo’s. No wonder such heartlessness goes on in govermnent too…
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bonus-withdrawal-puts-bankers-malaise-050100338.html
If you wanna read something from some heartless mofo’s, you gotta scroll through the comments on this article. They make Fred look like a saint.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
5:14 pm
the left claims i am a racist for something daily tbs……
Pity party for Billybob.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
5:14 pm
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
5:04 pm
carlin and maher quotes show how the leftists are barely hanging on……….and how narrow their ideology is and why conservatism is winning the argument today……and will win the argument all the way to the white house in nov…..enjoy
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED right? Just like when GW said it?
http://tinyurl.com/6vxgmg7
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
5:27 pm
“and will win the argument all the way to the white house in nov”
It’s so darn CUTE when someone declares victory and then retreats as quickly as they can!
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
5:31 pm
57% of Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases.
88% say it should be legal to save the mother’s life.
82% say it should be legal to save the mother’s health.
81% say it should be legal in case of rape/incest.
Even 54% say it should be legal in the case of a physically impaired baby.
Yet according to one blogger here, it is radical leftists who are pushing this agenda.
No wonder he is so despondent; a minimum of 57% of the people in this nation are radical leftists.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
5:31 pm
Bro… I love this one:
“People who don’t have money don’t understand the stress,” said Alan Dlugash, a partner at accounting firm Marks Paneth & Shron LLP in New York who specializes in financial planning for the wealthy. “Could you imagine what it’s like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?”
I am sure the guy who lost his job and his house and struggles to feed his family agrees that it’s just sooooo difficult to understand that stress.
sam
February 29th, 2012
5:32 pm
if you’re going as billybob you gonna have to suffer some consequences..one of those is the assumption that you are a racist.
The Fourth Reich
February 29th, 2012
5:33 pm
Billybob – I heard back from Daryl and klan meeting will be at your house tonight. Please make sure Vidalia is tied up and gagged; Rickybob just got out of prison and is royally miffed that Vidalia aborted after that last rape of his; I don’t know what he’ll do if he know’s she’s home. I’m bringing peanuts, grits and beer. Have Emaus pick some collard greens as well (but don’t whip him ‘cos ‘Lil Billybob is frightened by the lash marks).
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
5:37 pm
Keep Up
I kinda feel bad at laughing, but the comment section is off the hook. Reading that story only reaffirms my resolve to live within my means. Other than visiting family, my wife and I have had one vacation in almost 20 years together. We have had 6 cars where 2 were given from family, 3 were bought used, and one came “new” off the lot. The new one was a program vehicle with a little under 2k miles on it, so we got a good discount on it. My wife calls me cheap, but I prefer thrifty. I don’t mind paying for quality goods, but I refuse to buy stuff just because of the name.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 29th, 2012
5:37 pm
Well, I was just reading that piece Brocephus put up. You know it’s tough times when the average Wall Street bonus is down to $121,000 and workers is having to pull their kids out of private schools and they have to drive Porsches and stuff for everyday travel. This is what 3 yrs. of Obama has done to us. You can’t have Trickle Down, you know, if the Job Creators don’t have enough left over to trickle on the rest of us. That’s why we need to be sure and get a Republican in the White House, so those Wall Street people will make enough money to live on.
Well, Fox News is on and I got to get to it. Have a good night everybody.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
5:47 pm
“We women have TOTAL control over what happens to that pregnancy. TOTAL control.”
Then why do you see the doctor for prenatal care and then do as he/she says? Total control implies total independence, which is obviously not the case. What you really mean is, you don’t want a MAN telling you what to do, except maybe a doctor-man.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
5:48 pm
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
5:10 pm
“If it’s human life in the womb then extinguishing that human life would be an act of murder, would it not?”
Except it’s not “human life” – it’s symbiotic life, TOTALLY dependent on the host (the woman). -Doggone
Well of course. Therefore seeing as how a fetus 8 3/4 months into pregnancy is not a human because it is still totally dependent on its mother we should go ahead and amend the abortion law to where we can just start aborting them right up until when a woman goes into labor.
Such is the twisted logic of the kook left.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
5:48 pm
Except it’s not “human life” – it’s symbiotic life
It’s simply amazing to me the lengths the Libs here go to to try to prove the unprovable. A human is a human, at whatever stage of development that human may be in. Zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn, child, preteen, teen, adult, old person–All humans at every stage of the way. Arbitrary age demarcations can’t change that simple fact of biology.
I support legal abortion, but let’s be honest here. A life is ended by abortion. A human life. To claim otherwise is beyond stupid.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
5:50 pm
“Total control implies total independence”
No, it doesn’t. Total control means that the woman has the say-so in what does or doesn’t happen. It doesn’t matter who she consults, SHE is still the one in charge. And why do y ou assume that women only go to male doctors?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
5:51 pm
Amvet,
And I’m sure that in the days of the confederacy that about 95% of southern white people thought that slavery should be legal. Did that make slavery moral? Or right? No. It just made it the law of the land.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
5:53 pm
“Therefore seeing as how a fetus 8 3/4 months into pregnancy is not a human because it is still totally dependent on its mother we should go ahead and amend the abortion law to where we can just start aborting them right up until when a woman goes into labor.”
At that age it’s not an abortion, it’s an induced labor and delivery.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
5:54 pm
“It’s simply amazing to me the lengths the Libs here go to to try to prove the unprovable.”
Zig zag, Bruno. If we state it, it’s their mission to prove us wrong. Just like the auto bailout. Can we get back to that? The WSJ had an article today that points out how more than just the bankruptcy has helped GM. Billions of dollars of tax forgiveness not given Ford, which has put Ford at a competitive disadvantage. Collateral damage which the Libs always and never see, which happens every time. And in the case of the tax due change, another handout to the union by Obama.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
5:54 pm
Bruno,
I’m flabbergasted over some of their nonsense. Joe Mama said earlier that a fetus is not a human until after birth and after the umbilical chord is cut. Going by his logic and doggone’s logic I suppose the abortion laws should be changed so that we can rip babies out of the wound at 8 3/4 months. After all its still not human since its still being fully dependent on the mother.
The Fourth Reich
February 29th, 2012
5:55 pm
Bruno – perhaps if you had children of your own you’d have a better sense for how the gestational process unfolds. Initially, the embryo is little more than a pulse; it certainly isn’t a human being, although it has the capability to one day become one.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
5:56 pm
Doggone – you are blinded by partisanship. The first reference to a doctor in my post was he/she. Only when bringing up the “I don’t want a man to tell me what to do” did I state doctor-man.
The Fourth Reich
February 29th, 2012
5:56 pm
Much like sperm, I might add.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
5:56 pm
“It’s simply amazing to me the lengths the Libs here go to to try to prove the unprovable”
I suggest you look up the definition of a symbiote before you get too deep into your outrage.
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
5:56 pm
Oh, good.
The O’bozo administration has publicly (!) admitted it has no intent to reduce gas prices. It’s only interested in algae and such.
Topic of the day?
Abortion.
Deflect, deflect, deflect. It’s the only lib ilk campaign strategy left.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
5:56 pm
Let us all pause, bow our heads and offer pleadings to BlogGod that he may remove the curse of this ongoing, perpetual, eternal, miserable thread and bless us with a new thread that will engender discourse, respect, insight and increased understanding.
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
5:57 pm
i didn’t mean to imply you did tbs……just stating the reality of the way the media portrays my ilk……doesn’t bother me, i confront it and expose the lies, but your question and it’s premise are irrelevant to this and i won’t take the bait……some excellent imaginations on here……..
The Fourth Reich
February 29th, 2012
5:58 pm
Thulsa – perhaps if you had children of your own, you’d know that a baby is totally dependent on its parents for quite a while after being born. Some (like you) continue that dependency well into adulthood.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
5:58 pm
Bruno, I completely agree.
And why I have no problem with the phrase unborn baby or unborn child.
I do have a big problem with people who just make up their own language with it’s own dumbass definitions.
i.e., abortion is murder. As you noted, beyond stupid.
Doom, that was not my point. My point was that billybob’s contention that radical leftists are the real push behind abortion is nonsense. Clearly that is not the case.
The Fourth Reich
February 29th, 2012
5:58 pm
Sinkmeister – price of gas is determined by the free market, not by the President. Please try again.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
5:59 pm
Hey Sinkwich
You still taking the position the Air Force generals and Navy admirals are all a bunch of pipedream socialist moneywasters for spending hundreds of millions on biofuels research for jets and ships?
They even call it something along the lines of ‘national security.’
Heck, I think they don’t know the value of a dollar. Don’t they have any idea how many prosthetic limbs and funerals they can pay for with what they’re spending on biofuels research and testing?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
5:59 pm
Doggone,
Nope. You don’t have to induce labor. You can just cut open the womb with a surgical instrument, take it out, and just suffocate it or do whatever it is you would do to end its life. Because as you very clearly and plainly stated above “Except it’s not “human life” – it’s symbiotic life, TOTALLY dependent on the host (the woman).” Care to amend your definition or are you like Joe mama willing to stubbornly stick with your definition that its not a human life as long as its still in the womb?
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:00 pm
“Only when bringing up the “I don’t want a man to tell me what to do” did I state doctor-man”
Thereby indicating that women only consult male doctors about their pregnancies. But if you don’t like it that the woman has total control, take it up with God (or Mother Nature, I’m not fussy about who you blame) because it is how it IS. Woman have total control over the pregnancy.
If she allows anyone else input into her pregnancy as it advances, it is still HER choice to do so.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
6:00 pm
Sinkwich – Personally, I have to give Jay a pass on posting on abortion again. And, I think the only reason he did was to show how misguied the Republican led GA legislature is on abortion, which I agree.
But you are correct. Obama’s energy boy testified the administrations objective on energy is alternate sources, not lowering the price. This is the same guy to stated the price of US gas needs to move up to that of Europe. My guess is, if Obamacare does not get Barry voted out, this crap from his and his boys will.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:01 pm
BTW, I do want to say something in regards to the mystery meat, The Fourth Reich.
I may be wrong, but I have never seen billybob make overtly racist statements, as you allege.
Although numerous others here have.
Unless you can provide some compelling proof, I’d say you are full of BS…
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:02 pm
Amvet,
I would agree with you on that point. I think a lot of moderates and even some republicans have been desensitized to the point of just accepting abortion as a way of life. Whether you agree with it or not it has been widely accepted as the law of the land. As as a con my opinion is that it will stay the law of the land.
pogo
February 29th, 2012
6:03 pm
How’s that effort to recall the governor of Wisconsin going for you union lovers?
Josef
February 29th, 2012
6:03 pm
Paul
Amen!
Fred
What kind of borsht are you doing?
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:03 pm
That third sentence in my last post was awkward.
Let me rephrase.
Although numerous others here have made overtly racist statements.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:04 pm
“You can just cut open the womb with a surgical instrument, take it out, and just suffocate it or do whatever it is you would do to end its life. ”
But that is not an abortion either. It is a Ceasaren section and is a form of induced delivery. You’re getting more and more desparate I see.
pogo
February 29th, 2012
6:06 pm
Algae gas at $16.00 bucks a gallon. Sounds viable to me.
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
6:06 pm
You don’t have to induce labor. You can just cut open the womb with a surgical instrument, take it out, and just suffocate it or do whatever it is you would do to end its life.
Sounds like a C-Section to me. I think that would qualify as a delivery, just as Doggone stated.
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Seems like everybody has their own definitions of what constitutes life, a human, or whatever else has to be defined in this argument. I don’t know about everybody’s qualifications, but I don’t recall any pediatricians, or OB/GYN’s blogging here, so I will personally defer to them when it comes to the definitions.
JohnnyReb
February 29th, 2012
6:06 pm
Doggone – the father should have some say in the matter. If you disagree, then assume total responsibility including financial.
There are two things about kids. You can’t divorce them as you can a wife. Besides they, unlike a wife, have your unconditional love, so you don’t want to divorce them no matter how bad they are.
Because of the kid, you can’t get away from the x-wife until the kid is a self sustaining adult. A horrible reality. And, based on today’s kids never moving permanently out, there stands the chance of never really having to see or talk to the x again.
My point being, too bad a man cannot abort a wife!
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:06 pm
“As as a con my opinion is that it will stay the law of the land.”
And if you could change it, and make it illegal again, how would YOU go about forcing women to carry their pregnancies to term?
Brosephus™ -
February 29th, 2012
6:07 pm
Topic of the day?
Abortion.
Deflect, deflect, deflect. It’s the only lib ilk campaign strategy left.
Yep, that all-powerful lib ilk got the GOP Assembly to bring up an abortion bill. I wish the GOP had enough brains to do things on their own instead of being puppets of lib ilk.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:08 pm
Doom,
At 57 percent, support for legal abortion in all or most cases is about what it’s been on average in polls that have asked it this way since 1995. Most Americans eschew the extreme positions: 23 percent want abortion legal in all cases, and 17 percent want it illegal in all cases.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/abortion_poll030122.html
When I was 11 I really liked the Monkees. By the time I was 13 or so, my musical tastes had moved up considerably.
Even so, they had some fine stuff.
In memory of Davey Jones…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaxwBSyiya8
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:08 pm
“How’s that effort to recall the governor of Wisconsin going for you union lovers?”
The Governor and his team have chosen not to contest any of the signatures. The recall election could be as early as May (I think that’s right)
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:09 pm
Billybob
You made cliams about Hillary because some talk show told you somebody was a racists……. YOU made the claim not I.
Based on your claim that someone is or wants to be a racist because you claim someone else is racist is STUPID
That is why I asked the question…..
You didn’t take the bait, but you more than understood the point
Have a great day
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:11 pm
Doggone,
Me desperate? You gotta be kidding. All you’re doing is hiding behind different methods of terminating the different life. Doesn’t matter if you cut the fetus out of the wound and do it such as in a late term abortion or the suction thing such as a 1st trimester abortion. The result is the same- you are terminating a human life. Only difference is the method you use. And to prove the absolute silliness of your absurdities look at those late stage abortions such as the ones Joe tiller used to do. Are those abortions similar to the 1st trimester abortions? Um. No. Hell no. I went get into the gruesomeness of those abortions but those abortions are more like a surgical abortion or caesarean that you speak of. Yet they are still called abortions. Your logic and your attempts to hide behind semantics or moving the goal posts are simply laughable.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:12 pm
Billybob
Excuse me you didn’t claim Hillary was a racist…… but the comment was
“some might call what hillary’s hero wanted to do a little radical, racist, extremist in nature…….”
Which meant what?
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:12 pm
“the father should have some say in the matter.”
that is purely a societal function. It is not biological. Once sex is completed, from a biological standpoint, the male is out of it completely.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:13 pm
They BOTH suck,
A couple of those posts @ 3:59 and 4:08 were by a namejacker. I can be very facetious as you stated but it wasn’t me talking about sending a 6 year old to work as a janitor.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:13 pm
Oh my. If I didn’t know any better, I would think think Bruno is ignoring me.
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:13 pm
“Sinkmeister – price of gas is determined by the free market, not by the President. Please try again.”
Yo, genius, your messiah has done everything he can to reduce the US supply of oil. Econ 101 says lower supply means higher prices.
And before you respond with that BS about “more oil produced since 2003,” take a look at where that oil is coming from: private and state lands.
O’bozo can influence oil prices by opening up federal lands for extraction, fast-tracking permits, etc.
His administration is on record. His goal is to increase gas prices to double what they are today.
Oh, and Paul, do you really think the Pentagon gives a crap about algae? They want oil. And lots of it. But the eco
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:13 pm
so sebellius admits that she is putting private health insurance out of business the same day that obama admits he wants high gas prices and even higher………..the extremist viewpoint can be seen here for all…..taking over and industry and instituting policies that will drive gas prices up like the pipeline that he vetoed……..this is fun to expose what the leftists want for this country……..this is about gov’t controlling how you get your healthcare and about gov’t controlling what you drive whilst forcing higher prices on you to force you to get what it wants for you…….people need to understand the radical nature of the leftists who control the democrat party today………these things aren’t being done for the people, they are being done TO the people based on an agenda that thumbs its nose at the constitution
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:14 pm
Weenies are calling the shots.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:14 pm
TD
Got you………. I figured if it was your post that you would have been joking…….. I was surprised that Adam even responded to that one.
You get me sometimes but anyone had to know that was a joke
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:16 pm
“Weenies are calling the shots”
Bush left office 3 yrs ago and Republicans control the House
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:16 pm
tbs,
do you know who singer is and her early comments concerning abortion………that is where the racist allusion comes from………
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:17 pm
” Your logic and your attempts to hide behind semantics or moving the goal posts are simply laughable.”
I have made my opinion perfectly clear: once the pregnancy is ended and the foetus/child takes it’s first breath it is a separate human being. Up until the point where it is DEVELOPMENTALLY at the stage where it can reasonably be expected to live, it is a symbiote of the woman and totally under her control.
If she chooses extreme measures to save it, that’s HER decision. Only when the “state” can take total control of any terminated pregnancy and raise that developing foetus without a womb will the state have any right to do so. We aren’t there yet, and it’s unlikely we ever will be.
So we’re stuck with what God/Mother Nature has provided: total control by the woman and her body.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:18 pm
Billybob
Again, excuse me for misinterpreting your original post. Why we do disagree on the abortion issue, I wouldn’t have asked you my question had I processed the quote correctly.
The Fourth Reich
February 29th, 2012
6:19 pm
Sinkmeiseter – US oil output is at its highest level in 15 years, and is projected to hit an all time high by 2016. Go on, look it up. Can you spell “dolt”?
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:19 pm
…opening up federal lands…
Somebody keeps using that phrase. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVjs4aobqs&feature=related
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
6:19 pm
George Tiller performed lawful late term abortions based on constitutionally required excepts for threats to the mother’s life, physical health and mental health, including where 2 doctors certifithat carrying the fetus to term would cause substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.
The Fourth Reich
February 29th, 2012
6:20 pm
But, yes, the price of oil (and, correspondingly, gas), needs to go much, much higher. Short term pain for long term gain.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:21 pm
AmVet
Davey Jones dead? Holy cow – he was only 66 and looked really good in a recent tv appearance.
But as you well know, the outside isn’t always a good guide to what’s going on in the inside.
Another tribute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uohP4gk0wU
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
6:21 pm
“That legislative threshold of 20 weeks contradicts the overwhelming consensus of the scientific and medical community, which holds that as a fetus develops, the neural connections needed to feel pain do not occur until 28 or 29 weeks.”
That appears to be an assumed fact by the author and not necessarily a fact. In the event this bill is signed into law there could and probably will be legal challenge. If the state can prove that there’s a likelihood that the the fetus could indeed feel extreme pain then a judge might have a difficult time throwing it out. It appears though from some of the comments on this blog that some who abhor torture evidently forgo their aversion when it could potentially be the torture life growing in the womb. Interesting.
Orange12
February 29th, 2012
6:21 pm
Good news. Obama just lost the retired military vote.Proposals have been made to increase Tricare cost paid by retired military individuals and family sharply.
Logical Dude
February 29th, 2012
6:22 pm
As someone trained as a scientist, I really don’t like it when government uses religion to cover every little thing that they think it should cover.
So, scientifically looking at the starting point of what we would call “Life”, I look to the opposite end. . . when we define “Death”. (removing text leading to conclusion)
I conclude that life begins when there is brain activity enough for thought.
So, before that happens, an abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
After that happens, Only in the case of the mother’s health.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:22 pm
Billybob
I will check out Singer but even if she was a racist; it would not take long for anyone to play the hero game and tie others to people who were or are racists and bigots
I understand your position, however Hillary being Singer’s hero should have no bearing on the topic…….. outside of it being a jab you wanted to make
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:22 pm
This one’s cleaned up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU615FaODCg
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:25 pm
Orange12
How much in Tricare going up?
Is the increase in line with similar plans?
When was the last time it went up?
Is there something in writing that guarantees the same cost until death?
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:25 pm
fourth reich,
watching obama over 3+ years bashing oil companies and stating energy and gas prices need to necessarily skyrocket in order to push his agenda can not be swept up under the rug during this election and all his words an actions and own ego is what will help elect a republican led by a conservative vision for this country……..obama is almost out of other people’s money libs……enjoy…..
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:25 pm
How did sex come to be thought of as dirty in the first place? God must have been a Republican. ~ Will Durst
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
6:26 pm
I suggest you look up the definition of a symbiote before you get too deep into your outrage.
Doggone–Do you really want to get in a peeing contest about who knows more about biology?? I’ve taken numerous courses on embryology/gynecology/obstetrics, not to mention all of the other courses on microbiology, histology, and biochemistry.
Point blank, if an embryo isn’t “human”, what is it??
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:28 pm
Sinkwich
“Oh, and Paul, do you really think the Pentagon gives a crap about algae? They want oil. And lots of i”
You never did try to expand your mind by reading those links on Pentagon driving algae-fuel R&D for years, did you? Even though I gave you step by step instructions on how to use The Google you just couldn’t bear to challenge your preconceived biases.
But to answer your question, the whole purpose of pursuing biofuels is so they’re not dependent on mideast oil! Especially, if we keep on our present consumption and world presence path, we could very well be involved in a major war over there. A major war. Not the nationbuilding, keep a lid on it actions we’ve been involved with for the past decade.
So go ahead, ridicule conservation efforts and alternate fuels efforts. As long as we have men and women wearing the uniform who are willing to die for your addiction, what’s the problem?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:28 pm
Doggone,
Typical liberal nonsense regarding abortion. You don’t want to answer the central question about whether abortion is or isn’t the killing of a human life. You deflect by changing the argument to some nonsensical rant about its a woman’s body and some crap about total control and something about an arbitrarily chosen “stage of development” that you deem as being human or not human. And by doing all that you avoid the simple straightforward question- Is abortion the killing of a human life no matter what the stage of development? Its a simple yes/no question. And trying to get into nonsense about the different stages of life or the different methods used to extinguish life doesn’t change the central question. As it may have been you yourself I think pointed out earlier “life is life”.
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:28 pm
tbs, i understand your point and you are right, i wasn’t trying to imply clinton was racist, only pointing out the views of singer which are horrendous
Orange12
February 29th, 2012
6:28 pm
TBS – Standby
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
6:29 pm
It appears though from some of the comments on this blog that some who abhor torture evidently forgo their aversion when it could potentially be the torture life growing in the womb
And it would appear that some who readily endorse torture falsely equate “pain” as torture or support painful executions. Perhaps the problem comes from understanding that false absolutes will not resolve these issues but to understand that often the answers come from balancing of nuanced scales of a number of issues.
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
6:29 pm
I conclude that life begins when there is brain activity enough for thought.
You may conclude that, but it doesn’t make it true. You may choose not to confer legal rights priopr to brain activity, but to deny that an embryo is not “alive” is plain stupid.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:29 pm
Bruno
February 29th, 2012
6:26 pm
Point blank, if an embryo isn’t “human”, what is it??
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Here is an embryo, you tell ME what it is?
http://tinyurl.com/6olcf9b
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:30 pm
good point tulsa……
pogo
February 29th, 2012
6:31 pm
Today the NYT’s had another excellent piece of journalism by Thomas Friedman about the so-called “Arab Spring” that was so much adored and embraced by the American left and the “occupy” crowd in this country. By proxy, Obama stood back and soaked in the credit for it. I would encourage everyone, either left or right, to read Friedman’s piece. Obama apologizes for the so-called “Koran burning” yet muslims kill each other daily without a blink and guess as a collective who they blame as being the monster? The AJC could learn one hell of a lot from the NYT’s. I don’t agree with everything the Times publishes but they at least have the integrity to publish stuff that is contradictory to what their Editorial Board believes. But not the AJC. Jay is proof enough of this. Someone here said today for another poster to prove that Jay is totally left in his writings. The proof is that to this day Jay has never written a substantial piece critisizing Obama or his administration. Never. Yes, he may have written some fluff about a subject that was of little consequence to Obama’s or the lefts cause but when it gets down to the real issues like Obama being just as much a tool of big money as any other politician, Jay leaves that alone. Why? Political ideology. Jay would rather look over the real problems with this administration than call them out for the things that really matter such as their cowtowing to big money special interests.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
6:31 pm
“And it would appear that some who readily endorse torture falsely equate “pain” as torture or support painful executions. Perhaps the problem comes from understanding that false absolutes will not resolve these issues but to understand that often the answers come from balancing of nuanced scales of a number of issues.”
Talk about nuanced.
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:31 pm
“But, yes, the price of oil (and, correspondingly, gas), needs to go much, much higher. Short term pain for long term gain.”
Thank you, reich, for actually stating the lib ilk agenda in public. Most ilks here won’t do that.
Reich, like all lib ils who won’t admit it, want misery for all.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:32 pm
Orange12
“Obama just lost the retired military vote.Proposals have been made to increase Tricare cost paid by retired military individuals and family sharply.”
As well they should. People receiving pensions equal to the average household income up to several times the average household income can well afford more than $260 a year for health insurance.
josef
February 29th, 2012
6:33 pm
I had a serious schooboy crush on Davey Jones…kinda depressing when he croaks of old age…
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:33 pm
Yeah, Paul he ran on the beach every day apparently and was in great shape.
Get busy living, or get busy dying. ~Andy Dufresne in the Shawshank Redemption
12, you’re SILL dredging up that non-story from last September?
Oy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts
Mick
February 29th, 2012
6:34 pm
I have to agree with bruno, it is human life every step of the way. Doe’s the mother have the choice to terminate? I’ll not make that decision for her…
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:34 pm
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:31 pm
“But, yes, the price of oil (and, correspondingly, gas), needs to go much, much higher. Short term pain for long term gain.”
Thank you, reich, for actually stating the lib ilk agenda in public. Most ilks here won’t do that.
Reich, like all lib ils who won’t admit it, want misery for all.
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So do you want the US to forcibly take over the foreign oil companies that own the oil or should we just go invade their home countries and whip their asses into submission?
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:34 pm
Orange12
Any info would be great. I found an article that said some of the increase for 2012 would be the 1st in 15 yrs.
If that is true, there are not many people with company or individual plans who have had rates hold steady for 15 yrs
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:35 pm
AmVet,
I still remember this intro as a child about as vividly as I can remember anything. RIP Davey Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzA_qmJkmLY
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:35 pm
“But to answer your question, the whole purpose of pursuing biofuels is so they’re not dependent on mideast oil!”
Look, Paul, I can’t believe you’re this dense, but then again you loves you a lot of O’bozo.
Read slowly: drill and refine oil here, then we don’t have to worry about the Mideast.
Mick
February 29th, 2012
6:35 pm
**he ran on the beach every day apparently and was in great shape.**
Apparently not…who knows what ticking time bomb lurks within us all?
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:37 pm
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:35 pm
“But to answer your question, the whole purpose of pursuing biofuels is so they’re not dependent on mideast oil!”
Look, Paul, I can’t believe you’re this dense, but then again you loves you a lot of O’bozo.
Read slowly: drill and refine oil here, then we don’t have to worry about the Mideast.
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Refine WHERE dummy? Our refining places are at capacity………….
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:37 pm
afternoon, Thulsa
“You don’t want to answer the central question about whether abortion is or isn’t the killing of a human life. ”
So far, by my count, only one of the “life begins at conception” group on this blog is willing to say “no abortion ever.”
ALL the rest are silent or are for abortion in some circumstances.
So all this back and forth is really pointless, as most of the ‘abortion is killing babies and is murder” group will, when pressed to actually take a stand, allow killing and murdering babies under circumstances of their choosing.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:37 pm
Mick
February 29th, 2012
6:34 pm
I have to agree with bruno, it is human life every step of the way.
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Amen. Did you see the embryo I posted? It was 66 days old. Any question in YOUR mind what it was?
Mick
February 29th, 2012
6:38 pm
paul
Sink has trouble seeing the forest because of the trees…
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:38 pm
“So do you want the US to forcibly take over the foreign oil companies that own the oil or should we just go invade their home countries and whip their asses into submission?”
No.
How did you draw that conclusion?
Crack is not a good thing, dude…..
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
6:38 pm
Recon — yep, nuanced. Sorry. I know that does not work well for the Republican bumper sticker workshop. Social norms and mores change. Some of the reasoning used in Roe v Wade may be questioned today with new science, norms and technology. However, if you are genuinely concerned with “life” then let’s talk about the full range and quality of life including the death penalty and torture. These are not stand-alone issues even if they make your brain hurt because they are complicated.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:38 pm
“Point blank, if an embryo isn’t “human”, what is it??”
You’ve already answered that: it’s an embryo
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:40 pm
“You don’t want to answer the central question about whether abortion is or isn’t the killing of a human life.”
I don’t have a problem answering that: it’s the ending of an embryonic or even foetal life. It is not the ending of a SEPARATE life.
josef
February 29th, 2012
6:40 pm
Mick
And being ideologically blind as a bat doesn’t do much for his perspective…
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:41 pm
Doom, sure, their whole thing was a straight ripoff from A Hard Day’s Night.
But who really cared?
The kids desperately wanted more musical zaniness and those guys were IT!
Hell, an unknown Jimi Hendrix opened for them!!
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jimi-hendrix-drops-out-as-opening-act-for-the-monkees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUdIKdRuYc4
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:42 pm
Yo Sinkwhich; Maybe you can ALSO tell me how gas is going to be cheaper for US if a foreign Country, Canada, builds a pipeline to the Gulf Coast where they can put their oil directly on FOREIGN OWNED SHIPS to sail off to the foreign Countries which BOUGHT the oil.
Help a brother out here, because all I see is the US getting corn holed by the rich republicans again as they fill their pockets with foreign money and break it off in the rest of us littel people……..
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:42 pm
“Refine WHERE dummy? Our refining places are at capacity………….”
Uh, build some more?
Fred, dude, please seek help. You don’t vote, do you? No wonder O’bozo won….
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
6:43 pm
” It is not the ending of a SEPARATE life.” – If you’re a woman that is.
A man can be charged with homicide of an unborn baby.
So, it either is a separate life or it isn’t…
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:44 pm
Sinkwich
“Look, Paul, I can’t believe you’re this dense, but then again you loves you a lot of O’bozo.
Read slowly: drill and refine oil here, then we don’t have to worry about the Mideast.”
If that’s all it takes, then why on earth doesn’t the senior leadership at the Pentagon advocate for that instead of biofuels and other technologies?
Because they know producing more here without heavy government control of the industry to direct product will not achieve the desired results.
So are you saying you’re for more drilling here, AND government control of product to distribute it to government entities at increased taxpayer cost?
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:45 pm
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:38 pm
“So do you want the US to forcibly take over the foreign oil companies that own the oil or should we just go invade their home countries and whip their asses into submission?”
No.
How did you draw that conclusion?
Crack is not a good thing, dude…..
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No it’s not. I doubt you are on it though, I just think you are this mentally challenged. Name me the American Oil Company that is trying to drill here/ The American Oil Company that is trying to refine here. The American Oil cpompany that is trying to SELL here.
Oh wait, you can’t……..
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:45 pm
“A man can be charged with homicide of an unborn baby”
That is a societal judgement, not a biological one.
Orange12
February 29th, 2012
6:46 pm
TBS,
Not sure of the date the last budget was changed on this, think it was 1995 but take that with a grain of salt. Here is a copy and paste of the guts of the story:
Significantly, the plan calls for increases between 30 percent to 78 percent in Tricare annual premiums for the first year. After that, the plan will impose five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels.
You can also google “Retired Military Health Care Cuts”.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:47 pm
Paul,
You got one of those links on algae based fuels. Interesting stuff that I would like to read if you have it saved. Personally I would like to see things like algae explored to the fullest if it holds any realistic promise but in the short term it looks to me like we should go more towards natural gas in the interim. I still believe we will be stuck on fossil fuels for awhile though.
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:47 pm
fred…..a couple more like 6:42 and please tell ‘elizabeth that i’m coming to join her hunny’……your radical leftist liberal leaders in the democrat party have got you twisted yo’…..
Mick
February 29th, 2012
6:48 pm
josef
That’s insulting to bats, at least they have radar, sink just circles the drain…
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:48 pm
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:42 pm
“Refine WHERE dummy? Our refining places are at capacity………….”
Uh, build some more?
Fred, dude, please seek help. You don’t vote, do you? No wonder O’bozo won….
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You really aren’t that bright are you? Build them where? Where ate the American companies screaming to build oil refineries? oh wait, THEY AREN’T. That’s because our demand is down in this Country. The demand is in China where the FOREIGN OWNED OIL COMPANIES ARE SELLING IT FOR HIGH PRICES YOU JACKASS.
And I need help? Yeah I need help getting my garden in for sure. You on the other hand need help pulling your head out of your ass.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
6:49 pm
Sinkwich
Pretty good article on oil
http://news.yahoo.com/5-myths-gas-prices-big-oil-presidency-183000805.html
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:50 pm
“If that’s all it takes, then why on earth doesn’t the senior leadership at the Pentagon advocate for that instead of biofuels and other technologies?”
Because O’bozo tells them not to.
“Because they know producing more here without heavy government control of the industry to direct product will not achieve the desired results.”
No they don’t.
“So are you saying you’re for more drilling here, AND government control of product to distribute it to government entities at increased taxpayer cost?”
Yep, but nope after everything following that obnoxious “AND.”
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:50 pm
did obama lie about the cost of obamacare on purpose to sell it, or is he just absolutely and completely economically illiterate……either way it ain’t good……….libs, were obama’s cost projections on obamacare just an honest mistake?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:51 pm
“I don’t have a problem answering that: it’s the ending of an embryonic or even foetal life”
So is an embryonic or fetal life a human life? Yes or No.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:52 pm
Don’t waste your time TBS. “Gas prices” are one of the three talking points as set forth by the RNC to FOX news and the radio show hosts so they are pounding that lie. F. Sinkwhich is a good little paid puppet so he’s parroting it. He won’t even read your link, it’s not on his script.
Mick
February 29th, 2012
6:53 pm
fred
They sure know how to “pound it”.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:53 pm
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:45 pm
“A man can be charged with homicide of an unborn baby”
That is a societal judgement, not a biological one.
The biological judgment is that life begins at the point of conception. There’s no arguing that. If anyone feels different then they are making one of them ahem “societal judgments”.
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:54 pm
Thulsa
I just Googled “department of defense biofuels’ or ‘department of defense alternate fuels’ and got all sorts of hits. Not repeats – different articles and programs. Also one time looked at DARPA alternate fuels – thats the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. They fund billions in research programs. Some never pan out. Thank heavens Republicans don’t want to kill that in their post-Solyndra frenzy. (I just couldn’t resist).
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
“And I need help? Yeah I need help getting my garden in for sure. You on the other hand need help pulling your head out of your ass.”
Thanks for the kind words, Fred.
As to why we aren’t constructing more refineries here in the good ol’ USA, please see EPA regs, Dept of Energy BS, eco
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
“So is an embryonic or fetal life a human life? Yes or No”
No, it is a symbiotic life…but it is not yet human
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
Mick
February 29th, 2012
6:53 pm
fred
They sure know how to “pound it”.
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Yeah they do. Dammit. I wanted SOMEONE to comment on my perfect little pony picture… Bruno won’t and you didn’t………
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
weenie lawyers, etc.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
So, the Republicans are good with forcing women to carry to term a fetus that has no arms or legs or eyes or organs outside the body or no skull or no brain or any other defect that might cause it to suffer untold pain both before and after birth, etc. By the way, I’ve yet to see any scientific evidence confirming that Republicans are human. They are simply self-centered, politically motivated, greedy hypocrites, and apparently quite proud of it.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
Let me ask you a question in return: when you have a fried egg for breakfast, are you eating an egg or a chicken?
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
fred,
is it W’s fault fred…..b/c i remember the lib media screaming and blaming bush during high gas prices while today i hear it’s out of obama’s control………. and many in the biased lib media complex portray it as a good thing…….wanna’ cracker?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
Well I am certain that some of the conned will be celebrating that parts of the Keystone pipeline are in progress now….. the part from OK to the Gulf. No federal approval required because no border crossing. That certain will go a long way to help oil prices down as they take the current “oil glut” in the midwest and ship it to foreign countries. I mean we all know that it is supply and demand.
Problem solved right?
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
“And I need help? Yeah I need help getting my garden in for sure. You on the other hand need help pulling your head out of your ass.”
Thanks for the kind words, Fred.
As to why we aren’t constructing more refineries here in the good ol’ USA, please see EPA regs, Dept of Energy BS, eco
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Really? You are REALLY buying that BS you posted? They aren’t building more refineries because they are making more money by NOT building them dummy.
Just damn.
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
6:57 pm
12, I can understand why you are not sourcing that cut and paste.
It is once again being trotted out all over the rabid rightie sites that are recycling a non-story from last September. And it was not even a story then.
There is NOTHING current or relevant about it that I could find.
Tempest in a teapot without a scintilla of credibility…
Paul
February 29th, 2012
6:57 pm
Sinkwich
“Because Obama tells them not to.”
So we now have another blogger who thinks senior military leaders are derelict in their duty to give the National Command Authority their unbiased advice.
So good to know you think so highly of the men and women leading our military, Sinkwich.
Your doubling down in defense of your ideology knows no bounds.
So you’re for more drilling so more oil can be shipped overseas, eh?
Great national security plan you got there.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
6:57 pm
“but it is not yet human”
Then we need to seriously reconsider charging men w/ double homicide if they kill a pregnant woman. If it’s not human, how can it be homicide?
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
6:59 pm
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
fred,
is it W’s fault fred…..b/c i remember the lib media screaming and blaming bush during high gas prices while today i hear it’s out of obama’s control………. and many in the biased lib media complex portray it as a good thing…….wanna’ cracker?
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Oh horse crap. Many of the die hard leftists here have already posted that they were dead assed wrong on blaming Bush on gas prices. YOU know they were wrong. Sinkwhich knows they were wrong. So why are you hypocrites blaming Obama? you KNOW you are wrong about that too which makes you nothing more than cheap tawdry liars now. Prostitutes. I’ll bet your mommies are proud.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:59 pm
“The biological judgment is that life begins at the point of conception. ”
And have *I* ever said otherwise?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
6:59 pm
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
“So is an embryonic or fetal life a human life? Yes or No”
No, it is a symbiotic life…but it is not yet human
Aaaaah. The semantics game again. I will then defer to Bruno’s previous answer. No only are you wrong according to biology but that’s just plain stupid.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
7:01 pm
Sinkwich
While environmental issues do play a huge part, why do you not mention that oil companies have elected to close numerous refineries in the last 25 yrs due to obsolescence and mergers….
No one made them close those refineries, they did because it made good business sense to them………. Too much to upgrade or reduce capacity to assist in stabilizing or increasing prices………..
Look it up…………. Turn off the talking points for 5 minutes.. I have noted environment, now you see if it is one sides as you cry about
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:01 pm
“Then we need to seriously reconsider charging men w/ double homicide if they kill a pregnant woman. If it’s not human, how can it be homicide?”
You already know my opinion of laws like that. If you want them changed, take it up with the MEN who passed and signed them. I won’t object.
TaxPayer
February 29th, 2012
7:01 pm
Women best make sure of what they are delivering before twenty weeks thanks to Republicans and their zeal for right to life.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
7:02 pm
Man did I miss the hell out of the time it would take these beets to roast for this borscht. My girls are about to kill me and I can’t blame them. They are HUNGRY……………
Damn I hate missing cooking times.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
7:03 pm
Billybob
The blame game is not a one way street
Just as the left cried about Bush, the right is crying about Obama…..
Let’s be “fair and balanced” like Fox
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:03 pm
“but that’s just plain stupid.”
End of conversation. When all you can do is get personal, you lost…like it or not.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
7:04 pm
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
6:59 pm
“The biological judgment is that life begins at the point of conception. ”
And have *I* ever said otherwise?
You just said its a symbiotic life and that its not human life. If this symbiotic life inside of a human is not human life itself than what is it? Keep squirming doggone. I’m just trying to figure out how you’re going to play semantics games or mince words or what kind of nonsense you’ll come up with next.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:04 pm
” If you want them changed, take it up with the MEN who passed and signed them.”
And until it’s changed, a fetus is a human…according to law. And women should should be charged the same thing if they have an abortion.
Either it’s homicide, or it’s not. Can’t have it both ways.
Orange12
February 29th, 2012
7:05 pm
Paul
“As well they should. People receiving pensions equal to the average household income up to several times the average household income can well afford more than $260 a year for health insurance.”
Different ballgame Paul. Put yourself in my place. With increases like this comeing, in what can be seen as forcing MilVetRet to join ACA, would you vote for this guy? I think not. Anyone with military experience will understand me, especially combat vets.
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
7:05 pm
“Really? You are REALLY buying that BS you posted?”
It’s not BS. O’bozo has declared war on the energy sector of our economy, unless of course a company eschews real solutions to our energy problem like Solyndra.
You buy a POS Volt yet, Fred?
I’m paying you $7,500 to do so you know…
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
7:05 pm
Taxpayer@ 7:01: I started to make a “funny comment” and link the baby with it’s brain literally coming out of it’s ass from the link you provided, but I just couldn’t find anything funny about it……..
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
7:05 pm
Doggone,
Well I guess I did give you an out by stating the obvious- that your point was just plain stupid. Sorry but it is what it is and I think you’ve been cornered enough to realize yourself just how pathetically weak and absurd your argument is. Nothing new there.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:07 pm
“life begins at the point of conception”
Where in that statement does it designate HUMAN life? Symbiotic life, foetal life…LIFE begins at conception. Humanity does not.
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
7:07 pm
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
7:05 pm
“Really? You are REALLY buying that BS you posted?”
It’s not BS. O’bozo has declared war on the energy sector of our economy, unless of course a company eschews real solutions to our energy problem like Solyndra.
You buy a POS Volt yet, Fred?
I’m paying you $7,500 to do so you know…
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You have YET to offer a legitimate answer to a single point I have made. It’s not because you didn’t understand anything i said, it’s because you are a liar and you know it, but there is a limit to your hypocrisy.
No there isn’t your hypocrisy and lies have no boundaries………
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
7:07 pm
Either it’s homicide, or it’s not. Can’t have it both ways
Well now we are going to have to prosecute executioners and soldiers….. I mean we have an absolute. Life is life, no killing no exceptions. These absolutes always work well…. ask the kids who have a key chain with a 1/4″ blade and nails clippers in an “absolute no weapons” school zone.
Orange12
February 29th, 2012
7:09 pm
amvet@6:57
If you don’t like it don’t read it.
Matti
February 29th, 2012
7:10 pm
I spent all day at the Capitol. OH. MY. GOD. What the heck is WRONG with this “smaller gubmint” crowd? Seriously!! My mind is REELING, and my hands are still shaking!
People were in tears! People who actually have souls, that is. NOT the fascists trying to score points with their churchy base by ramming this horrible bill up the birth canals of the women of this state! FYI: Even the churchy base folks who understand what this bill means are against it! Well, the ones who actually have souls, that is.
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
7:10 pm
“No one made them close those refineries”
Wrong, Government did.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:10 pm
“Either it’s homicide, or it’s not. Can’t have it both ways”
and I haven’t asked to have it both ways. Can I make it any damn clearer? I AGREE WITH YOU, IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT WAY.
Take it up with the MEN who passed and signed those damn laws. *I* can’t do anything about it.
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
7:10 pm
an unfinished pipeline is absolutely how you bring down gas prices and solve the problem right?……….fishnabarrel…….love to see libs then attack evil oil companies……….obama never wants to let a good crisis go to waste, real or made-up…….leftists need strawman arguments and crisis to forward their agenda which we see in full force currently and we see it trailing from obama since he stepped up on the public scene…. after the rep process is over the election will be about obama and he and the media can’t run or hide from his record his words or his actions………..can’t wait
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:11 pm
“executioners and soldiers”
Huh? Executioners and soldiers are having abortions? Talking about distractions….
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
7:11 pm
Sinkwich
You are more than welcome to utilize Google, Yahoo or Bing to look up closed US refineries
Either one will provide you exactly what I posted………..
All I am saying is step off your high horse and shelf the talking points for 5 minutes to see that it isn’t just Obama and BIG GOVERNMENT keeping you away from your $2.25/gl gas
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
7:12 pm
Matti, I feel for you. Sometimes you have to wonder if ramming your head into a concrete wall would not be a more sensible option.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
7:13 pm
Pea, sorry punkin that you can’t comprehend that life is life does not apply only to fetuses.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:13 pm
“*I* can’t do anything about it.”
You could start calling your representatives for one thing. We all should.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
7:13 pm
“These are not stand-alone issues even if they make your brain hurt because they are complicated.”
Keep, doesn’t make my brain hurt, although I suspect it might hurt your brain as you must work hard to camouflage an inability to make cogent arguments. Of course those are all separate issues that require separate arguments. Not in the mood to run rabbit holes if you want to debate this topic I’ll play but I don’t have much time.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:13 pm
“just how pathetically weak and absurd your argument is.”
I can always tell when I’m successfully defending my opinons…the insults come out in force.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:15 pm
“Pea, sorry punkin that you can’t comprehend that life is life does not apply only to fetuses.” – Sorry you can’t comprehend that this topic is about abortion and you can’t stay on topic.
Kids table thata way—–>>>>
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
7:15 pm
Sinkwich
From your beloved Fox
I hate to say it………. but you are one brainwashed dude
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/11/20/refineries-closing-weak-fuel-demand/
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have a great night
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:15 pm
“You could start calling your representatives for one thing. We all should”
You’re the one who cares so vehemently, so go ahead. What’s stopping you?
Old Timer
February 29th, 2012
7:17 pm
Different ballgame Paul. Put yourself in my place. With increases like this comeing, in what can be seen as forcing MilVetRet to join ACA, would you vote for this guy? I think not. Anyone with military experience will understand me, especially combat vets.
It’s the old political game. Democrats know that active and retired military vets typically vote Republican, so the burden from a Democrat is going to fall on the vets by an upping of their share for health insurance. Republicans, on the other hand, know that federal employees typically vote Democrat, so Republicans are going to hack at federal employees by freezing their pay, upping their share of the contribution to a pension plan, etc.
It’s personal only when you and your family have to deal with the consequences of these political games.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:17 pm
“You’re the one who cares so vehemently, so go ahead. What’s stopping you?” – Ah, so you don’t care if it’s changed or not I see.
Or else why the poutrage remark?
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
7:18 pm
People were in tears! People who actually have souls, that is. NOT the fascists trying to score points with their churchy base by ramming this horrible bill up the birth canals of the women of this state! FYI: Even the churchy base folks who understand what this bill means are against it! Well, the ones who actually have souls, that is.
Fascist card!!!! Doomy saw it first.
Those awful “churchy” folks. Religious bigotry much?
People who actually have souls that is? Hmmm. I wonder if those people “with souls” have as many tears and as much compassion for the unborn?
The kook left and they poutrages. Always good theatre.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
7:21 pm
“I can always tell when I’m successfully defending my opinons”
Only a true believer of the kook left actually thinks something called a “symbiotic life” is different from a human life. Semantics silliness run amok.
Recon 0311 2533
February 29th, 2012
7:21 pm
Doomy,
Little bit of left wing hypocrisy this topic has put on display. Jay may be wishing he picked something else.
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:22 pm
” Ah, so you don’t care if it’s changed or not I see.”
No, I don’t. Despite your assertion that woman can kill “unborn children” but “men can’t” – if *I* killed a pregnant woman, I TOO could be charged with killing that “unborn child”
And I said I wouldn’t object if it was changed, I didn’t say I’d fight for it. The charge comes when A PREGNANT WOMAN IS KILLED. Do I care if the charge is made that much stronger by charging the killer with also killing her foetus? No, I don’t.
Orange12
February 29th, 2012
7:22 pm
OT @7:17
Touche’
Matti
February 29th, 2012
7:22 pm
There was testimony most of the afternoon like Mr. Bookman describes. Many tests are not done until 18-20 weeks… IF the woman can get an appointment in that time window. Newsflash: If you live in Atlanta or the immediate suburbs, there are TONS of doctors! If you live in rural areas, not so much. There are barely enough doctors to care for healthy women having normal pregnancies. Some counties only have one or two OB/GYNs. The kind of doctor a woman experiencing a high-risk or complicated pregnancy, or one in which the the fetus tests positive for serious, life-threatening anomalies is even MORE rare! As in, there are FIVE of them in the State that practice below the gnat line. FIVE. “So sorry DISPOSABLE WOMAN if you can’t get to one of them in time.”
The twenty week cutoff is just part of it. The bill also reduces the definition of “medical emergency” that would save the mother’s life. Oh. My. God.
I cannot believe this these men who think they have the right to come between a woman and her doctor and the hardest decision she’ll ever have to make about the hardest thing she’ll ever have to endure — BECAUSE THEY WANT THE G**D**** CHURCH VOTE.
Christ on a stick. Time for a glass of red.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
7:23 pm
“Where in that statement does it designate HUMAN life? Symbiotic life, foetal life…LIFE begins at conception. Humanity” does not.”
They do love they semantics games they do.
Mick
February 29th, 2012
7:23 pm
All things not being equal; the “kook” left at least has some sense of sanity while the “kook” right is hopelessly unhinged…
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:24 pm
“Semantics silliness run amok.”
How many times have *I* insulted YOU?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
7:24 pm
Suddenly this thread is about fetuses and not “life”. You can’t say “life begins at conception” in your absolute world and you can’t end life and then duck the questions about how often you justify ending life after leaving the womb. If “every sperm is sacred” then its emergence from the womb does not end discussion despite your opinions.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:25 pm
“The charge comes when A PREGNANT WOMAN IS KILLED.”
Not 100% true. Were here last week when I posted the case from Pennsylvania? The woman lived, baby was killed. Man was charge with homicide of an unborn baby.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 29th, 2012
7:26 pm
Wall Street bonus sheets upstairs….
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 29th, 2012
7:26 pm
Christ on a stick
Does Jeff Dunham have a new addition to his act?
Doggone/Ga
February 29th, 2012
7:26 pm
“The woman lived, baby was killed. Man was charge with homicide of an unborn baby.”
Take it up with the men who passed and signed the law.
Thulsa Doom
February 29th, 2012
7:28 pm
Hmmm. Sooooo life does begin at conception after all. But humanity doesn’t? What in the hell?
Me usually loves me liberal gobbledeegook in the morning with a fresh cup a coffee.
Sometimes dey just meltdown, goes nuts and starts spewing all kinds a nonsense. It just comes out projectile like Linda Blair in the excorsist.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:28 pm
“I didn’t say I’d fight for it.” – Not very consistent. You fight for a woman to be able to freely kill unborn baby but not a man/other woman to do it. Got it.
Jerk if you’re a guy, b*ch if you’re a woman. Can’t remember
.
Peadawg
February 29th, 2012
7:29 pm
“Take it up with the men who passed and signed the law.” – LOL is that your response to everything now?
AmVet - Son of a union thug
February 29th, 2012
7:30 pm
It ain’t about me liking it.
It’s a matter of you being six months behind the non-news curve. And gullible enough to think those twit websites aren’t.
Sheesh, you cons are the biggest rubes in this country
Fred ™
February 29th, 2012
7:42 pm
Matti
February 29th, 2012
7:22 pm
I cannot believe this these men who think they have the right to come between a woman and her doctor and the hardest decision she’ll ever have to make about the hardest thing she’ll ever have to endure — BECAUSE THEY WANT THE G**D**** CHURCH VOTE.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No Matti, it’s even worse than that, it’s not “BECAUSE THEY WANT THE G**D**** CHURCH VOTE.” It’s because they think you are too stupid. You said it in the sentence there, “the hardest decision she’ll ever have to make about the hardest thing she’ll ever have to endure.”
These asshat don’t think it’s a hard decision for you They think that women (or girls) who get abortions have this thought process: Well I need to paint my nails, change my blouse, go pee, and get an abortion this hour…………..
They are completely clueless. It’s just like their “welfare broodmare” comments………..
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
7:55 pm
“All I am saying is step off your high horse and shelf the talking points for 5 minutes to see that it isn’t just Obama and BIG GOVERNMENT keeping you away from your $2.25/gl gas”
Yeah it is.
Just listen to O’bozo’s administration testify to congress.
They want gas prices to double from what they are today.
Anti-Americans, all.
F. Sinkwich
February 29th, 2012
8:02 pm
From your pathetic post:
“About 30 percent of gasoline demand is closely tied to employment, said Ann Kohler, an analyst with Caris & Co.
The nation’s unemployment rate is hovering above 10 percent for the first time in 26 years.”
O’bozo strategy: drive unemployment above 10%, then close refineries, give Solyndra-type loser companies billions of taxpayer dollars, claim nothing is his fault, then rely on sycophants like you to blame everyone else.
They BOTH suck
February 29th, 2012
8:26 pm
Sinkwich
And the crying kept on
Man you are a whiner when your narrow narrative is proven to be incorrect
I pointed out both-sides, it is your little mind that can’t get past talking points and BS rhetoric
But still have a great night………
Truth-O-Meter
February 29th, 2012
8:30 pm
I heard former Republican Sen. Alan Simpson in an interview on Sirius Radio today, and he said that no man, in his opinion, should even have a vote on issues of abortion. Too bad many of the voices of reason are no longer in Congress. Now Sen. Olympia Snowe has been driven out by the fringe of that party.
If I hear or read of one more conservative complaining of President Obama not listening to the people I will barf. He listens to his constituents just as conservatives would claim to be listening to theirs.
TGT
February 29th, 2012
8:38 pm
The fetus had a heart defect, what turned out to have been a fixable heart defect. But we didn’t know that for sure. We had to go through amniocentesis, which takes a week. That brings us up to 22 and a half weeks. Then we had to counsel this family and convince them that this heart defect was fixable. Because we had the time, we were able to walk them through the process and they didn’t terminate.
“If I had seen them at 19 weeks and four days, and this new law gave them just three days to decide, they would have terminated that pregnancy. We told the Legislature that, but these legislators think that’s not going to happen.
So one of the lib arguments against this bill is that parents who are inclined to kill their child in the womb if it is not clearly healthy, have to now make that decision in a smaller window of time?! What is the lib moral dilemma here?! It’s morally acceptable to kill the clearly unhealthy child over 20 weeks, but all of a sudden the libs are concerned that, perhaps, some children who otherwise might be “fixable,” are now going to be aborted?!!!
Billybob
February 29th, 2012
8:59 pm
i ask any democrat,
what does obama mean by fundamentally transforming this country?
Billings
February 29th, 2012
10:02 pm
Could this be the next step for pro-abortion liberals?
Also medical professionals have recognised the need for guidelines about cases in which death seems to be in the best interest of the child. In The Netherlands, for instance, the Groningen Protocol (2002) allows to actively terminate the life of ‘infants with a hopeless prognosis who experience what parents and medical experts deem to be unbearable suffering’.4
Although it is reasonable to predict that living with a very severe condition is against the best interest of the newborn, it is hard to find definitive arguments to the effect that life with certain pathologies is not worth living, even when those pathologies would constitute acceptable reasons for abortion. It might be maintained that ‘even allowing for the more optimistic assessments of the potential of Down’s syndrome children, this potential cannot be said to be equal to that of a normal child’.3 But, in fact, people with Down’s syndrome, as well as people affected by many other severe disabilities, are often reported to be happy.5
Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.
http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/02/22/medethics-2011-100411.full?sid=3722e1a3-a440-4c6d-8a75-f8af41eebe19#ref-3
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
10:14 pm
Billybob
__________
Obama is not transforming the country. Any transforming must have occured in some dream you had. it’s not reality, dude. It’s your fantasy.
Oscar
February 29th, 2012
10:16 pm
Billings
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Nobody is pro-abortion. Pro-abortion would mean being in favor of abortions. Nobody wants an abortion to occur.
But, who are you to deny someone the right to have one if it is necessary and although not wanted, the best alternative.
Billings
February 29th, 2012
10:43 pm
Who will define what is and is not an acceptable life?
On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.
Be careful what you ask for, Otis.
Matti
February 29th, 2012
10:58 pm
Billings,
“it is hard to find definitive arguments to the effect that life with certain pathologies is not worth living, “
Um, here’s one Sparky: THE FETUS HAS NO (insert vital organ) AND HAS NO CHANCE OF SURVIVAL OUTSIDE THE WOMB.
Re: the rest of your assertions, you have it all wrong. It’s not about the big picture. It’s not about “society as a whole” or economics. It’s about LEGISLATORS sticking their noses into the **literal** LIFE and DEATH decisions made by a woman and her doctor when her WORST fears have come true! This bill isn’t about mythical day-spa clinics where you can get highlights while you wait your turn and a mani-pedi while you’re recovering from an abortion of convenience!
This bill is about using state LAW to force ONE woman to carry a fetus inside her for two, three, or four more months when that fetus has NO CHANCE OF SURVIVAL outside the womb, in a most rare and unusual circumstance. It’s about forcing ONE woman to forfeit her own life, or her own fertility and the future of the family she and her husband hoped to have, because a legislator she’s never met thinks fetuses feel pain at 20 weeks. It’s about coming between ONE woman and her doctor, negating all claims to being an agent of freedom or smaller government.
And that ONE woman is ALL OF US, because it could be ANY of us.
This bill has one purpose, and one purpose only, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with mercy, love, freedom, or doing what’s right.
Z
March 1st, 2012
12:35 am
Republican Politicians just love the anti choice group, every time they’re needed they call them out. The anti choice groups fall for it every time. They don’t get it, the politicians don’t care about the babies they never have, it’s to get the sheep to follow. Just like, GOD, GAYS and GUNS. If these politicians really cared about the babies, they would pass legislation to take care of them. Have these republican politicians EVER voted in favor of giving more to those in need? Nope, not unless their out voted.
I’m writing down all these legislator’s names, state and those in Washington and I hope when it comes to election time those who are offended, men and women, by the way these republican men are trying to dictate what woman can and can’t have in the way of birth control, health-care and abortions, if needed, will put your mark on anyone BUT an INCUMBMENT. If the new voted in Politician is of a like mind as these idiots, then they too will be voted out of office.
Enough is enough on this woman hating/bashing. The Republican Politician Male or if any Republican women in the Dome are dumb enough to vote like her fellow fools, then so be it, the War has started! What’s good for the Goose is Good for the Gander! Write down their names for your district, State Representative, Senator and take it with you come election day. If they aren’t up for re-election vote them out at the next election, just don’t forget their names. We have the votes fellow Georgian Women, vote these ding dongs out, they aren’t fit for public office. If not registered, go register now, and VOTE come election time.
Joe Hussein Mama
March 1st, 2012
9:27 am
Doom — “Well of course. Therefore seeing as how a fetus 8 3/4 months into pregnancy is not a human because it is still totally dependent on its mother we should go ahead and amend the abortion law to where we can just start aborting them right up until when a woman goes into labor. Such is the twisted logic of the kook left.”
No, such is your dishonest misrepresentation of what others are saying.
yuzeyurbrane
March 1st, 2012
11:25 am
The result of an alliance of misogonistic males, self-hating females and opportunistic politicians. Let’s throw red meat to the rabble rather than tangle with meaningless issues like improving education. My gosh that requires money and gets the home-schooling retards riled up.
Pam Avery
March 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
Well, now we know this bill passed…and why? Because the sponsors and the folks who voted for it want to be elected again…this is pathetic. This will come back to haunt those who voted for it – just wait and see.