The heartlessness of Ga. anti-abortion bill

NOTE: This is published as the electronic version of today’s AJC column. Portions of this post have appeared earlier on this blog.

Imagine being a happily pregnant couple, 20 weeks along, when things go tragically amiss. Tests reveal that if carried to term, your child will be born without a skull, or perhaps without functioning lungs, which means that upon birth it will begin to die immediately of asphyxiation, with no hope of saving it.

Do you continue the pregnancy, knowing that the child has no chance of survival and that in many cases its “life” will at best consist of a few short hours of intense agony? Or do you end the pregnancy in the best interests of all involved, including that of the doomed fetus?

Some parents, drawing upon their faith and moral precepts, will continue the pregnancy to its tragic end. Others, drawing on their own equally sincere principles, will intervene. It is not a choice that any of us would want to make, and under House Bill 954, approved this week by a House committee, we would not have to. Because if the bill passes, as seems likely, Georgia legislators will have made that decision for every mother in the state.

Under the bill, the legal window in which abortions can be performed in Georgia would shrink from 26 to 20 weeks. Supporters justify the change by claiming that after 20 weeks, fetuses are capable of feeling pain and thus need to be protected, regardless of viability.

There are two major problems here:

1. That legislative threshold of 20 weeks contradicts the overwhelming consensus of the scientific and medical community, which holds that as a fetus develops, the neural connections needed to feel pain do not occur until 28 or 29 weeks. The pain argument is being used to advance an agenda, not to respond to science.
2. The change will do nothing to affect the vast majority of abortions, which is the real target of its sponsors. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 89 percent of abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, long before the proposed law would take effect.

Many of the small fraction of abortions that occur after the proposed 20-week deadline involve what are called “medically futile pregnancies” such as those described above.

As a prominent Atlanta obstetrician told me this week, consider a woman who at 20 weeks discovers that her fetus suffers from anencephaly, which means it’s missing part of its head. The goal of his practice is to see high-risk pregnancies through to a healthy, successful live birth, but sometimes that just isn’t possible.

“The fetus has no skull,” he explained. “I don’t think many of us walk around without a skull. It is not going to survive no matter what you do. We tell the mother what we found, and we let her go through full counseling, grief counseling. And at the end of that, we give her the option of carrying that pregnancy or not.”

Under HB 954, that option would no longer be available.
That fetus will be carried to full term, under the false excuse of sparing it pain, and the result will be a baby “condemned to writhe in agony” as it dies shortly after birth.

(As a condition of the interview, the doctor asked not to be named. He has been advised not to speak publicly out of fear for his personal safety and threats of economic boycott.)

The bill is also certain to force abortions that otherwise will not have occurred, he said.

“I saw a couple at 21 or 22 weeks. They didn’t have health insurance until then because he was transferring jobs, so they hadn’t had the screening. When they came to see me, they were distraught. The fetus had a heart defect, what turned out to have been a fixable heart defect. But we didn’t know that for sure. We had to go through amniocentesis, which takes a week. That brings us up to 22 and a half weeks. Then we had to counsel this family and convince them that this heart defect was fixable. Because we had the time, we were able to walk them through the process and they didn’t terminate.

“If I had seen them at 19 weeks and four days, and this new law gave them just three days to decide, they would have terminated that pregnancy. We told the Legislature that, but these legislators think that’s not going to happen.

“It’s going to happen.”

In more than five hours of hearings this month, legislators have been made aware of these consequences, but they made no substantive changes to the bill.

“From my standpoint, if they wanted to cut off elective terminations — the woman who just decides at 22 weeks, I don’t want this baby — I could live with that,” the doctor told me. “But let the woman who has a complication make rational decisions.”

– Jay Bookman

709 comments Add your comment

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:20 am

“It’s going to happen.”

………….. and what will happen less is babies won’t die who have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them.

josef

February 29th, 2012
11:21 am

IMAM

Spoil sport! There we were downstairs happily and cheerfully crossing political and social lines in peace and harmony discussing barbecue and here you come, stirring up the sh*t! You just don’t want us to get along, do you? :-)

USinUK

February 29th, 2012
11:24 am

Scout – “………….. and what will happen less is babies won’t die who have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them.”

1) grammatically, it’s fewer, not less – fewer is number, less is mass.

2) less than 10% of abortions are done after the first trimester – and the majority of that 10% are done in the 4th month (for people who can’t get the funds together or can’t physically get to a clinic) – the reminder are done because of medical reasons – not capriciously.

Normal

February 29th, 2012
11:26 am

HB 954= Arrogent men who think they know better than God. One day you will learn that you cannot legislate God’s word.
————————————————————

Q: Why did some of the Angels rebel with Lucifer against God?

A: The pride of the Angels made them believe that they were equal to God and that they didn’t have to stay in their assigned places and roles so they tried to put themselves above God.

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:27 am

UK:

You forgot the “heartlessness” of using suction to tear apart a perfectly normal and healthy child in the womb.

Adam

February 29th, 2012
11:27 am

FIFTH! (And now, back to the shadows…..)

Call it like it is

February 29th, 2012
11:27 am

Jay is there anything out there in regards to how many abortions happen a month, how many have nothing to do with medical, the young couple just doesnt want the child? Instead of taking the time to apply a $2.00 condom, they now have an abortion. Dont get me wrong I dont want or need the govt telling woman what to do in regards to the female body, but I would be interested if its out there and who and why they are having an abortion.

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:28 am

UK:

Less is mass? Then I am correct ……….. less “mass” of baby body parts in the garbage cans outside the clinic.

Ernest T. Bass

February 29th, 2012
11:29 am

………….. and what will happen less is babies won’t die who have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them.

Just because you make something illegal doesn’t mean people wont do it.

Drugs are illegal. How is that working out ?

They will just use a clothes hanger or dump them in a dumpster.

Real nice.

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:29 am

Call it like it is:

Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

February 29th, 2012
11:29 am

Enter your comments here

USinUK

February 29th, 2012
11:30 am

Scout – “You forgot the “heartlessness” of using suction to tear apart a perfectly normal and healthy child in the womb.”

the word you’re looking for is FETUS, not child.

and secondly – you prefer forced pregnancy??? heck, why not return to the days when women weren’t counted as fully functioning members of society, as well – no voting rights, no land-owner rights, etc.

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:30 am

Ernest T. Bass :

And because of that there would be “fewer” abortions.

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:31 am

UK:

1) Agree to disagree.

2) Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?

Road Scholar

February 29th, 2012
11:31 am

“I don’t think many of us walk around without a skull.”

Many here expose that they don’t have a brain!

Since the state is ” forcing” the issue, does that mean they are complicent in paying for the care of the baby?

God gave us a free will. When will Christians admit that….in addition to their brushing off other sins…adultry, lieing, cheating…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

February 29th, 2012
11:32 am

The GOP…wanting a government small enough to fit in a uterus.

Heartless and disgusting.

stands for decibels

February 29th, 2012
11:32 am

off topic, but I can’t let this go from downstairs:

Jay–Your opinion of the Republicans as a far-left journalist has been noted

Bruno, cite examples of where Jay’s takes on the issues of the day are “far-left”.

I’ve asked several conservative regulars here for similar backup and NEVER receive an answer. I figure maybe you’re in another category, however.

Ernest T. Bass

February 29th, 2012
11:32 am

You can make abortion illegal tomorrow and it wont stop one abortion.

It will just push it into the back alleys

At least with clinics mothers can be counseled on adoption etc.

People who are set on making abortion illegal are well intentioned.

They just don’t really think it all the way through.

Paul

February 29th, 2012
11:33 am

Scout

“Albert: [discussing abortion] Why not kill the mother? Oh, I know what you’re going to say. “If you kill the mother, the fetus dies, too.” But the fetus is going to be aborted anyway, so why not let it go down with the ship?

Val: You’ll have to excuse my mother. She’s just taking things to their logical, yet absurd, conclusion.

Ernest T. Bass

February 29th, 2012
11:33 am

And because of that there would be “fewer” abortions.

umm no

ty webb

February 29th, 2012
11:34 am

“Enter your comments here”

Hands down, the most insightful post by “Granny”, ever.

Fred ™

February 29th, 2012
11:35 am

I am blessed with options and choices. If such a circumstance were to occur and my wife decided to abort, we would get in the car and drive to a different state.

Problem solved.

stands for decibels

February 29th, 2012
11:36 am

Under HB 954, that option would no longer be available.

because so-called “pro-lifers” are almost uniformly psychopaths; at the moment, they are able to effect their sick agenda against innocent women and men.

Normal

February 29th, 2012
11:36 am

ty webb

February 29th, 2012
11:34 am

Ty, A very old and tired joke…you can do better…

USinUK

February 29th, 2012
11:36 am

“Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?”

you and I have danced this polka before.

the founding fathers specifically spelled out that the draft is not only legal, it’s part of how this country was founded.

funny – abortion wasn’t mentioned (and if you think that abortions weren’t performed in the 1700s, you’re mighty naive)

Road Scholar

February 29th, 2012
11:38 am

What is also disturbing is that a doctor is afraid to be outed because of the anger and possible violence against him for following the law, his license, and his beliefs. Remember the abortion doctor murders that have occured in the Florida panhandle? Really religeous people who have no problem with murdering doctors and grown people. And don’t give me the grown ones have committed crimes… They are still “people”.

Ernest T. Bass

February 29th, 2012
11:39 am

In more than five hours of hearings this month, legislators have been made aware of these consequences, but they made no substantive changes to the bill.

I’m surprised they listened that long. Their minds were already made up.

Why would Republicans go and start listening to experts and doctors anyway ?

Thats just crazy science talk. The bible is what must be followed.

.

Paul

February 29th, 2012
11:40 am

Scout

“Do you think the government should be able to tell a man what to do with his body ?”

We’ve been over this before, in depth, so this is more a rhetorical question for other readers:

“do you think a third party, man or a woman, should be able to say to a baby, ‘you die’? ”

If life begins at conception, then man’s intervention to end that life for any reason is morally untenable.

And this bill, by so-called Right to Life advocates, is hypocritical in the extreme. Because they are still legalizing killing.

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:40 am

UK:

You dodge. Is is right for the government to controll a man’s body.

Why can the government do that but not control a woman’s body ?

You are being inconsistent and 20,000 draftees on the Vietnam Wall are looking at you.

stands for decibels

February 29th, 2012
11:42 am

People who are set on making abortion illegal are well intentioned.

Perhaps as many as 2 or 3 percent. Perhaps.

The rest are just sick, and ALL completely ignorant of sound public policy on the issue.

ty webb

February 29th, 2012
11:42 am

Oh goody, another “conversation” between Jay, and someone not willing to go on the record (talk about conviction)…Did ya’ll conduct this strategy sessio-um-interview at that “restauranteer”s place who was bemoaning the fact that he no longer gets away with paying slave wages to illegals?

USinUK

February 29th, 2012
11:43 am

Scout – “You dodge. Is is right for the government to controll a man’s body.”

no dodge – have had this discussion with you before – AD NAUSEUM – not getting sucked into it again.

you know my position.

if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

0311/1811

February 29th, 2012
11:45 am

Paul:

Slavery didn’t end overnight even with the Civil War. It’s ramifications
continue to this day.

It has been a long process as this abortion question will.

We look back now on “good people” of that era and ask, “How could they have
embraced the horrors of slavery.”

I believe people in the future will look back at “us” one day and say, “How could
“good people” have embraced the horrors of abortion.”

The battle continues …………… got to run.

Jefferson

February 29th, 2012
11:45 am

No reason to change anything. The GOP tampers and causes problems, while solving few on the service and spending issues. Their track record is poor at best. To support them with their credibility problems would rub off on their supporters.

stands for decibels

February 29th, 2012
11:46 am

someone not willing to go on the record (talk about conviction)…

Yeah, imagine, someone who doesn’t want to be shot while ushering at church, or have his staff gunned down in cold blood, or his patients harassed.

I’ll say it again–in the “culture wars”, the body count is entirely on the side of the rational, and NOBODY from the psychopathic right wing has paid that ultimate price.

Aquagirl

February 29th, 2012
11:46 am

Is is right for the government to controll a man’s body. Why can the government do that but not control a woman’s body?

Because a draft is supposedly done when there is a compelling interest for all citizens and our national security is at stake. Anti-abortion freaks are simply being busybodies.

As for those 20,000 draftees on the Vietnam Wall, I feel no more guilt over them than I do for the draftees in the Civil War, I didn’t elect or support the dumb @$$hats who hung them out to dry. If you have issues with your tacit participation in a senseless war that got them killed, please keep your guilty conscience off of my body.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 29th, 2012
11:48 am

Smaller Government FAIL.

TaxPayer

February 29th, 2012
11:48 am

Nothing surprises me with the Party of Fools.

Fred ™

February 29th, 2012
11:48 am

Just out of curiousity; Is there ANYONE here who doesn’t know the “position” of any of the other regular posters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0mQeLWCCo&feature=related

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

February 29th, 2012
11:49 am

While Scout whines about “control” of a man’s body [ignoring the fact future drafts will also include women's bodies], he proclaims the righteousness of the death penalty…. the problem with “absolutes” is they almost always end up catching you in the dead end of a failed argument.

stands for decibels

February 29th, 2012
11:50 am

It has been a long process as this abortion question will.

You will never re-criminalize abortion in America. Never.

Pockets of right wing a-holism will continue to push and prod and weaken existing protection of reproductive rights, but you will NEVER pass the constitutional amendment required to ban elective terminations of pregnancy throughout this country.

And those who blithely stay “leave it up to the states” aren’t thinking through just how horrific an actual ban in ANY state would really be. No RU-486? Really? You’re going to monitor that? You’re going to prosecute anyone transporting such material with accessory to murder?

na. gone. duit.

Paul

February 29th, 2012
11:51 am

Scout

Gotta Run?!!? Wait!!!

As I said, we’ve had this discussion before, and when I asked you by what moral authority, in a situation where both the mother’s and baby’s life is in danger and one but not the other may survive, your response was

Kill the baby because it’s self defense for the mother.

Unless you care to modify that position, Scout, it’s evident to all why you divert and skirt about rather than address specific, core principles.

Because your grand belief system collapses under its own inherent contradictions.

And the same applies to the rest of the “life begins at conception but we’ll still kill the kid for the following reasons….” crowd.

josef

February 29th, 2012
11:51 am

FRED
@ 11:49

:-)

Peadawg

February 29th, 2012
11:53 am

“They didn’t have health insurance until then because he was transferring jobs, so they hadn’t had the screening.” – So why’d they get pregnant?

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
11:56 am

“So why’d they get pregnant?”

They did it deliberately…just to annoy you.

Normal

February 29th, 2012
11:56 am

The Pro life boys and girls equate pro fetus with pro life and go no further. Pro life means just that, “For Life”. No war, no death penalty, good health system, good educational system, ways and means to promote good loving households…all those things needed to make our society a good one with all in it a boon to that society. I just don’t understand how the “pro lifer’s” just don’t get it and why they are willing to stop caring after a child is born. Even the Chinese don’t do that.

Peadawg

February 29th, 2012
11:57 am

” The change will do nothing to affect the vast majority of abortions, which is the real target of its sponsors. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 89 percent of abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, long before the proposed law would take effect.”

They’re just trying to get a little bit at a time :) .

Mighty Righty

February 29th, 2012
11:57 am

I agree with Jay. The government should not be involved in what is simply a medical question. Let medical professionals make medical decisions along with the patient and restrict government officials to governmental decisions. This should be easy to understand for Republicans as well as Democrats. Obamacare should be viewed in exactly the same light as abortion. The government has no business involved in healthcare.

Peadawg

February 29th, 2012
11:58 am

“They did it deliberately…just to annoy you.”

If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible.

stands for decibels

February 29th, 2012
11:58 am

Pro life means just that, “For Life”.

it sounds pretty, and that’s why so many Americans self-identify as such. But if you drill down a little bit you find that a vast majority favor elective abortion’s continued legality, and have for decades.

http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
11:59 am

“The government has no business involved in healthcare”

There’s no way to get them out. Who do you think licenses things like doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics, etc?

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

February 29th, 2012
11:59 am

Normal, you mean….pro life ends once they leave the V-jay jay and after that, you’re on your own….and by the way, if you are not of the religion we like and we think your religion bad, we are all for your death….. why, that would be just shocking, shocking I tell you.

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:00 pm

“If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible.”

Since neither of us knows ANY of the details about WHY they were between jobs, YOU are just using them to think you are “holier” than they are.

Jefferson

February 29th, 2012
12:00 pm

What ole “numbers” don’t understand is it is not for him to worry about, the court has made it clear whose business it is.

getalife

February 29th, 2012
12:00 pm

The gop know they are going to lose so abortion is their last action.

philosopher

February 29th, 2012
12:01 pm

Peadawg

February 29th, 2012
11:53 am
Absolutely amazing! Life 101 :
People have a right to get pregnant…without your opinion, your, judgment, or your agreement.
People get pregnant because they want to have children, their birth control failed, they chose not to use birth control…or any other reason.
Pregnancy last 9 (nine) months. plenty of time to lose a job, get laid off, need to move, need to transfer, get fired, find something better….or just have absolutely enough of present working conditions.
Final point:: It’s none of your d#@N$ business why anyone gets pregnant!!!!

Normal

February 29th, 2012
12:01 pm

I bet these “pro Life” people, as kids, poured salt on slugs, just to watch them melt and writhe in agony…

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

February 29th, 2012
12:02 pm

If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible

While Pea proclaims celibacy and stays inside a secure cell just in case of rape…. I sure hope Brosephus has ordered a lot of his new checks.

ty webb

February 29th, 2012
12:02 pm

okay, uninsured couples are only to engage in oral and anal sex…can I get a “mandate”…I mean an “amen”?

Aquagirl

February 29th, 2012
12:03 pm

So why’d they get pregnant?

You don’t know why a woman gets pregnant? You seem a little old for “the talk” but I’m sure someone here can help you out.

USinUK

February 29th, 2012
12:03 pm

“If I was between jobs and didn’t have health insurance, no way we’d be having a kid. Sounds like the two parents aren’t very responsible.”

yes.

because EVERY form of birth control is 100% foolproof

:roll:

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:05 pm

“because EVERY form of birth control is 100% foolproof”

And even complete abstinence appears not to be so foolproof…if Mary is any example!

carlosgvv

February 29th, 2012
12:05 pm

Jay, religious true beleivers have no concept of “heartlessness” except for those things they believe from whatever faith they subscribe to. In this case, it is the New Testament, a selection of books whose true authorship is unknown and unknowable. These people believe in God because they have faith and because they believe that faith comes from God. It is impossible to reason with this kind of mindlessness. Unfortunately, the GOP knows the vast majority of their supporters are truly this simple and this is why they keep pushing these kinds of bills.

Peadawg

February 29th, 2012
12:06 pm

Figured I’d get drilled on the personal responsibility/common freakin’ sense comment.

Coming from Democrats…not surprised.

Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance.

Mighty Righty

February 29th, 2012
12:07 pm

As a Republican, I can say I really don’t know any Republicans that have a problem with abortion so long as it is not used as a contraceptive. I know there are probably a few who think it is a big deal like a few Democrats favor any rpogram that will get them some free government money. But, they are not a majority.

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:08 pm

“Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance”

The very definition of hearlessness…the inability to see any point of view but their own.

USinUK

February 29th, 2012
12:08 pm

“Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance.”

1) you don’t know that they were without job / insurance when they GOT pregnant (only when they were supposed to have the scan)

so

2) get the eff off your high frickin horse – it makes you sound like a complete dick. particularly given your age and experience.

getalife

February 29th, 2012
12:08 pm

“David Dreier Retirement: California Congressman Will Not Run For Re-Election ”

More retirements please.

scrappy

February 29th, 2012
12:09 pm

If a woman is forced to carry to term a pregnancy that is doomed & that she had wanted to end, and then dies as a result – can we charge the GA assembly with negligent homicide?

This bill is appalling. GOP – STAY OUT OF MY UTERUS!!!!

Jefferson

February 29th, 2012
12:09 pm

The gov’t is in the health care business, its a great program call medicare, a program working people pay into and deserve benifits. A program that has been damaged by overcharges, fraud and greed. In order to forefill their obligations, the gov’t has to have a say in health care, not to mention a country has a moral obligation to protect the citizens. Nothing wrong with social programs, especially the ones pay for by the benificiararies. The ones that get in cheap, I guess those are the folks the greedy complain about.

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:10 pm

“If a woman is forced to carry to term a pregnancy”

you know, it’s not REALLY about forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term…how would they even go about DOING that? It’s ALL about being able to punish the woman for making a choice they don’t like.

Ernest T. Bass

February 29th, 2012
12:11 pm

Sorry, y’all will never 100% convert me while making excuses for someone who has a kid while having no job and no insurance.

Dont be sorry. We all understand what we are dealing with when talking to someone like you.

How do you know that ? Maybe they got pregnant while he still had a job.

It might astound you but Ill bet somewhere in this country someone has gotten pregnant and then a few months later lost their job.

mm

February 29th, 2012
12:12 pm

The GOP is determined to lose their majorities across the country.

They want government out of our lives. Unless they are the intruders.

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:14 pm

“They want government out of our lives. Unless they are the intruders”

Or to be more accurate, they want government out of THEIR LIVES, but IN yours and mine.

tipster

February 29th, 2012
12:17 pm

Peadawg – I agree that it is irresponsible for someone who is between jobs and without insurance to intentionally try to get pregnant, or not use contraception. But what about when the contraception fails? Think contraception is 100% failproof? My first child was the result of failed contraception. I was, and still am, married, but we had not planned on having children so soon after our wedding. I also have a neice that was unplanned due to failed contraception. It happens. But irresponsible or not, we are in a free country, and that is their choice. Besides, the story doesn’t state that it was planned, it may have been a failure of contraception as well.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

February 29th, 2012
12:18 pm

As a Republican, I can say I really don’t know any Republicans that have a problem with abortion so long as it is not used as a contraceptive

{Golf clap]…. you’re ability to type while your head is stuck deep in the sand is simply amazing!

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:22 pm

“{Golf clap]…. you’re ability to type while your head is stuck deep in the sand is simply amazing!”

See, you just GOT to learn how to interpret Republispeak. He may not actually KNOW any Republicans, etc…but he certainly DOES know OF lots of them. He’s been here long enough to have seen the opinions posted.

getalife

February 29th, 2012
12:22 pm

Attacking women and unions are the outcome of the 10 election.

It ends after the 12 cycle.

philosopher

February 29th, 2012
12:22 pm

Peadawg- Can you read? Or are you just that proud of the list of arrogant, ignorant assumptions you made? Tuck tail and go hide, please.

Oscar

February 29th, 2012
12:23 pm

Voting to outlaw abortion is imposing your morals and religious values on someone else, and I thought cons were against doing that.
Or, is it they are only against other people imposing their religious values on them.

LaTanya

February 29th, 2012
12:25 pm

It’s more than a little hypocritical for our (mostly Republican) legislators to rail about things like ObamaCare that they consider overly intrusive at the same time they’re trying to dictate childbirth requirements to women. Hopefully the non-crazies will prevail and HB954 will go nowhere.

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:25 pm

“Or, is it they are only against other people imposing their religious values on them”

See my comment on government, it applies to religion as well

Peadawg

February 29th, 2012
12:26 pm

“Tuck tail and go hide, please.” – I’m right here, punkin. I’m just eatin’ and reading the comments.

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:28 pm

” I’m just eatin’ and reading the comments.”

And making comments as well.

Regressive Fantasyland

February 29th, 2012
12:29 pm

Regressives would have you believe there’s a coordinated effort out there to impregnate women for the sole purpose of having an abortion. Next, regressives are probably going to tell us that if you cut taxes on the rich, revenues will increase and magically trickle down to the masses. Oh, wait. Never mind,

Regressive Fantasyland

February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm

Oscar – Regressives are against government control. Except when they aren’t. Get it? (If not, don’t worry – consistency isn’t a regressive strong suit.)

scrappy

February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm

“Hopefully the non-crazies will prevail and HB954 will go nowhere.”

You do realize we are talking about the GA legislators? The non-crazies are soundly outnumbered.
If I were a gambler (and I’m not) I would bet my paycheck this not only passes, but flies right through into law.

Aquagirl

February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm

I agree that it is irresponsible for someone who is between jobs and without insurance to intentionally try to get pregnant

The guy was transferring jobs, why is everyone assuming he was unemployed? Many employers have a waiting period before insurance kicks in.

Damn, y’all just can’t wait to judge someone, can you? It’s like watching kids tear into a quart of ice cream.

Regressive Fantasyland

February 29th, 2012
12:32 pm

Aquagirl – Dontcha know? Lib’rals just wanna eat government cake, have fun, get pregnant, abort, rinse, and repeat.

Tommy Maddox

February 29th, 2012
12:32 pm

I sent a note to my Rep wanting to get a little more info on the Bill. I’d imagine there are some types of “outs” that would provide for a later term procedure – but I’ll report back…

Mr_B

February 29th, 2012
12:33 pm

Let me relate a true story.

A young woman of my aquaintance had recently given birth to her fourth child. The pregnancy wasn’t planned, but it wasn’t unwelcome. During the birth, the young lady’s blood pressure spiked to the point where her doctor feared that she might have a stroke. The baby was fine, but the doctor said that further pregnancies were a very bad idea.
To make sure they wouldn’t have any more kids, the couple decided that a vasectomy was the most cost-effective and surest means of birth control. They waited a month following the proceedures and resumed a normal sex life. Three weeks later they got a letter from a pathology lab stateing that the vasectomy may not have been successful. Too late. The couple was faced with a pregnancy that they could not afford, and was potentially life threatening. After a period of emotional distress they finally agreed to end the pregnancy, but the mother has carried a sense of guilt about it for the rest of her life.

Who was “irresponsible” in this case?

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

February 29th, 2012
12:33 pm

I’m just eatin’ and reading the comments

Well perhaps that explains how your responses are being processed…. if you are eating the comments and then “finding” your response in the passing. :D

Peadawg

February 29th, 2012
12:34 pm

Keep @ 12:33

That was a sorry attempt at a joke, dude. Seriously.

Doggone/GA

February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm

“Who was “irresponsible” in this case?”

I’ll tell you one person (or group of people) who are…those who are allowing her to go through life with that sense of guilt. EVERYone who loves and supports her should encourage her to get counseling. There is NO REASON for her to feel ANY guilt. Regret, maybe…but not guilt.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm

In more than five hours of hearings this month, legislators have been made aware of these consequences, but they made no substantive changes to the bill.

Abortion, the “go to” wedge issue in what appears to be an election year filled with desperation for Republicans.

AmVet

February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm

As a Republican, I can say I really don’t know any Republicans that have a problem with abortion so long as it is not used as a contraceptive.

HUH?????????????

Read this blog. There are several dead red Republicans here that hate that they can’t force women to live by their 1950s rules anymore.

i.e., they have a HUGE problem with any abortions. Ever. Under any circumstances.

Hell, but to prove how ludicrous they are, they can’t even keep their tens of thousands of Republican women from “murdering their babies” every year.

paulo977

February 29th, 2012
12:35 pm

“So why’d they get pregnant?”
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VIAGRA ….did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

February 29th, 2012
12:37 pm

No problem punkin Pea…. not nearly as sorry as your comments have been.

Talking Head

February 29th, 2012
12:37 pm

“From my standpoint, if they wanted to cut off elective terminations — the woman who just decides at 22 weeks, I don’t want this baby — I could live with that,” the doctor told me. “But let the woman who has a complication make rational decisions.”

Yup

Gale

February 29th, 2012
12:38 pm

Am I the only one that thinks this is just a plan to get people thinking about something other than ethics at the sate house?